Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
Thanks for all your tips/hints/suggestions/advice. the package Simulpic is an existing a debian package and it has been orphaned. i am just trying to adopt it. since i used it a lot, i fixed a few bugs and upgraded it to current version of the microcontroller it was simulating. i agree it is not a critical pkg. but i think it is an useful one as this microcontroller is used extensively by the hobbyists. as per your suggestions, i will create a debian pkg and put it on a website for people to download and inspect. thanks, Deva Seetharam On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to debian-mentors@lists.debian.org asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. This places the emphasis on packaging software that's not yet in Debian, which is wrong, IMHO. A better answer is that you get an advocate by getting involved in Debian development -- by helping tackle some of the many open bugs against existing packages, or doing QA work, or adopting an orphaned package, or working on the installer, or perhaps by packaging useful software that's not yet part of Debian. Creating new packages is an easy way to demonstrate that one has many of the skills required to be a DD, but more is demanded of DDs than just raw skill. Steve Langasek postmodern programmer
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 10:19:43PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to debian-mentors@lists.debian.org asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. This places the emphasis on packaging software that's not yet in Debian, which is wrong, IMHO. A better answer is that you get an advocate by getting involved in Debian development -- by helping tackle some of the many open bugs against existing packages, or doing QA work, or adopting an orphaned package, or working on the installer, or perhaps by packaging useful software that's not yet part of Debian. I didn't mean to imply that this package should be new; that's not the case at all. However, if they are adopting an orphaned package they still need to follow the same steps, i.e. make a package available for someone considering sponsoring them. QA work, tackling bugs, etc is important, but generally Task Skills requires an NM to demonstrate packaging ability. I agree that involvement in the Debian community/Debian development is important before becoming a NM, but I feel it's safe to assume that one has been sufficiently involved in the community once they show a desire to become a NM. Creating new packages is an easy way to demonstrate that one has many of the skills required to be a DD, but more is demanded of DDs than just raw skill. demanded? All that we technically demand is that a candidate agrees with our policies and procedures, and demonstrate packaging ability (or other (raw) skills). And, of course, proof of ID. I agree that this may not be the ideal situation, but that's the way it is. -- Duncan Findlay pgpD8eDNsPu8M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
It might also be the fact that you asked this about one and a half day ago, and honestly, what response time do you expect? i agree i was impatient. however, as i see from the description and the mailing list archives, the process doesnt seem to be well-organized. or such a disorganization inevitable with such a loosely coupled group of people? deva
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
Deva Seetharam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i am interested in becoming a new maintainer. i understand that i need an advocate to recommend my application. unfortunately i dont know any of the existing developers to be my advocate. so i posted a message on mentors and newmaint mailing lists requesting someone to be my advocate. i havent got any response. You asked for a sponsor for some package if I am not mistaken. This is different, though a sponsor might also advocate you. i am a little dazed and hvae the following questions: 0. can one apply to be a newmaintainer without an advocate? Yes, but if you remain in the queue for too long (I think it is 6 weeks) without an advocate, your application will not be processed, and you will have to re-apply. I recommend looking for an advocate before formally applying. 1. how does one get an advocate? You should somehow convince a developer that you have the skills to be a Debian developer. The usual way is to first look for a sponsor and then ask him to advocate you. So you did the right thing, unfortunately you did not get an answer yet. This may be due to a lack of interest in the package. It might also be the fact that you asked this about one and a half day ago, and honestly, what response time do you expect? Furthermore, looking at your original mail, you did not give any URL where to obtain your Debian packages. Please include this in any request for sponsorship. 2. how long does the application process take? That depends, but you should be more patient than your HELP!!! mail indicates. (Please choose better subject lines, don't write in all-caps and use less exclamation marks.) 3. what are the criteria for selection? (shockingly, i see Richard Stallman on hold) You can read everything on http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint And you don't have to be Richard Stallman, he is surely not on hold because anyone doubts his programming skills. Lukas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT), Deva Seetharam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am interested in becoming a new maintainer. i understand that i need an advocate to recommend my application. unfortunately i dont know any of the existing developers to be my advocate. so i posted a message on mentors and newmaint mailing lists requesting someone to be my advocate. i havent got any response. Finding an advocate is easier if one has a package already packaged that should be in Debian. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
Hi, On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 01:52:43PM -0400, Deva Seetharam wrote: Hi, i am interested in becoming a new maintainer. i understand that i need an advocate to recommend my application. unfortunately i don't know any of the existing developers to be my advocate. so i posted a message on mentors and newmaint mailing lists requesting someone to be my advocate. i haven't got any response. I bet there are enough DDs in MIT. So finding someone to sign your key shall be easy. Advocate is somewhat tricky. In general, it looks to me working on high profile project such as d-i BTS or qa gives you good chance of making friend=advocate. Simply waiting some one to contact you with a single mail may not be very effective unfortunately. If you file productive patches to the important packages, the maintainers may think you are great asset to Debian and may be willing to advocate you. After several private mail exchanges, ask him to be advocate you. My advocate knew me only through ML. Of course you need to be ready for TS test etc.. 3. what are the criteria for selection? (shockingly, i see Richard Stallman on hold) V I P H Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] This means that he lacks: * T : Tasks and Skills complete No one doubts his general computer skills. He still have to demonstrate his skill to do somewhat silly minor Debian things right just as others :-). He is on hold because he did not do this. This is different issue from the 40 odd people still waiting for DAM approval with minimal information. I do not endorse current perceived practice of silence by the DAM to some applicants whose is on-hold without any official response. (We have to give DAM some break since he has limited capacity for processing applicants and he is doing DAM with the best intention as volunteer work.) FYI: It looks like just packaging odd programs using dh_make seems to get you with least interest at this moment. Good luck and regards, Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ also http://qref.sf.net `. `' Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 01:52:43PM -0400, Deva Seetharam wrote: Hi, i am interested in becoming a new maintainer. i understand that i need an advocate to recommend my application. unfortunately i dont know any of the existing developers to be my advocate. so i posted a message on mentors and newmaint mailing lists requesting someone to be my advocate. i havent got any response. i am a little dazed and hvae the following questions: 0. can one apply to be a newmaintainer without an advocate? Yes. You can apply, but your application will not be processed until you get an advocate. 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. 2. how long does the application process take? You can see the average times from nm.debian.org. There's currently a long wait after you have completed the criteria before you are accepted. (This may be a few months.) The majority of the application can be done within a few weeks. 3. what are the criteria for selection? (shockingly, i see Richard Stallman on hold) See http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint. Basically, you need to have your ID confirmed, discuss (and agree to) Debian policies and procedures, and demonstrate competence in packaging software and doing other developer tasks. Many people are on hold due to lack of time to complete the application. -- Duncan Findlay -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 01:52:43PM -0400, Deva Seetharam wrote: ... 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. Also, you can demonstrate your ability to do debian packaging by showing other projects you've worked on. i.e. c++, shell scripting, makefiles, etc. So that people know that you can make a package. Your advocate can help you to select a package. Look at the WNPP list. 2. how long does the application process take? You can see the average times from nm.debian.org. There's currently a long wait after you have completed the criteria before you are accepted. (This may be a few months.) The majority of the application can be done within a few weeks. My whole application time took around 3 months. To get started, spend some time reading the docs in the new maintainer corner, and reading the mailing lists, and making intelligent posts, so people in the development community can get a little familiar with you. Of course, the very first step is to actually use debian, if you're not already. -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer, lindows.com hyperpoem.net | GNU/Linux software developer people.debian.org/~mbc | encrypted mail preferred We, the men of the mind, are now on strike against you in the name of a single axiom, which is the root of our moral code, just as the root of yours is the wish to escape it: the axiom that existence exists. - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
I demand that Duncan Findlay may or may not have written... On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 01:52:43PM -0400, Deva Seetharam wrote: [snip] 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. And, preferably, package it because you find it to be useful. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. The how doesn't matter too much; I've done things in a somewhat different order - get my key signed and have one of the signers be my advocate; wait for an application manager, and ask him to sponsor a (trivial) package. I have other packages (see the URL in my .sig), at least some of which should become official Debian packages, or at least distributed-with-Debian packages. None have sponsors as yet... [snip] -- | Darren Salt | linux (or ds) at | nr. Ashington, | Linux PC, Risc PC | youmustbejoking | Northumberland | No Wodniws here | demon co uk | Toon Army | URL:http://www.youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk/ (PGP 2.6, GPG keys) He who lives without folly is less wise than he believes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. This places the emphasis on packaging software that's not yet in Debian, which is wrong, IMHO. A better answer is that you get an advocate by getting involved in Debian development -- by helping tackle some of the many open bugs against existing packages, or doing QA work, or adopting an orphaned package, or working on the installer, or perhaps by packaging useful software that's not yet part of Debian. Creating new packages is an easy way to demonstrate that one has many of the skills required to be a DD, but more is demanded of DDs than just raw skill. Steve Langasek postmodern programmer msg07600/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
Thanks for all your tips/hints/suggestions/advice. the package Simulpic is an existing a debian package and it has been orphaned. i am just trying to adopt it. since i used it a lot, i fixed a few bugs and upgraded it to current version of the microcontroller it was simulating. i agree it is not a critical pkg. but i think it is an useful one as this microcontroller is used extensively by the hobbyists. as per your suggestions, i will create a debian pkg and put it on a website for people to download and inspect. thanks, Deva Seetharam On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. This places the emphasis on packaging software that's not yet in Debian, which is wrong, IMHO. A better answer is that you get an advocate by getting involved in Debian development -- by helping tackle some of the many open bugs against existing packages, or doing QA work, or adopting an orphaned package, or working on the installer, or perhaps by packaging useful software that's not yet part of Debian. Creating new packages is an easy way to demonstrate that one has many of the skills required to be a DD, but more is demanded of DDs than just raw skill. Steve Langasek postmodern programmer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 10:19:43PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. This places the emphasis on packaging software that's not yet in Debian, which is wrong, IMHO. A better answer is that you get an advocate by getting involved in Debian development -- by helping tackle some of the many open bugs against existing packages, or doing QA work, or adopting an orphaned package, or working on the installer, or perhaps by packaging useful software that's not yet part of Debian. I didn't mean to imply that this package should be new; that's not the case at all. However, if they are adopting an orphaned package they still need to follow the same steps, i.e. make a package available for someone considering sponsoring them. QA work, tackling bugs, etc is important, but generally Task Skills requires an NM to demonstrate packaging ability. I agree that involvement in the Debian community/Debian development is important before becoming a NM, but I feel it's safe to assume that one has been sufficiently involved in the community once they show a desire to become a NM. Creating new packages is an easy way to demonstrate that one has many of the skills required to be a DD, but more is demanded of DDs than just raw skill. demanded? All that we technically demand is that a candidate agrees with our policies and procedures, and demonstrate packaging ability (or other (raw) skills). And, of course, proof of ID. I agree that this may not be the ideal situation, but that's the way it is. -- Duncan Findlay msg07602/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
It might also be the fact that you asked this about one and a half day ago, and honestly, what response time do you expect? i agree i was impatient. however, as i see from the description and the mailing list archives, the process doesnt seem to be well-organized. or such a disorganization inevitable with such a loosely coupled group of people? deva -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
Deva Seetharam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i am interested in becoming a new maintainer. i understand that i need an advocate to recommend my application. unfortunately i dont know any of the existing developers to be my advocate. so i posted a message on mentors and newmaint mailing lists requesting someone to be my advocate. i havent got any response. You asked for a sponsor for some package if I am not mistaken. This is different, though a sponsor might also advocate you. i am a little dazed and hvae the following questions: 0. can one apply to be a newmaintainer without an advocate? Yes, but if you remain in the queue for too long (I think it is 6 weeks) without an advocate, your application will not be processed, and you will have to re-apply. I recommend looking for an advocate before formally applying. 1. how does one get an advocate? You should somehow convince a developer that you have the skills to be a Debian developer. The usual way is to first look for a sponsor and then ask him to advocate you. So you did the right thing, unfortunately you did not get an answer yet. This may be due to a lack of interest in the package. It might also be the fact that you asked this about one and a half day ago, and honestly, what response time do you expect? Furthermore, looking at your original mail, you did not give any URL where to obtain your Debian packages. Please include this in any request for sponsorship. 2. how long does the application process take? That depends, but you should be more patient than your HELP!!! mail indicates. (Please choose better subject lines, don't write in all-caps and use less exclamation marks.) 3. what are the criteria for selection? (shockingly, i see Richard Stallman on hold) You can read everything on http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint And you don't have to be Richard Stallman, he is surely not on hold because anyone doubts his programming skills. Lukas
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT), Deva Seetharam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am interested in becoming a new maintainer. i understand that i need an advocate to recommend my application. unfortunately i dont know any of the existing developers to be my advocate. so i posted a message on mentors and newmaint mailing lists requesting someone to be my advocate. i havent got any response. Finding an advocate is easier if one has a package already packaged that should be in Debian. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
Hi, On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 01:52:43PM -0400, Deva Seetharam wrote: Hi, i am interested in becoming a new maintainer. i understand that i need an advocate to recommend my application. unfortunately i don't know any of the existing developers to be my advocate. so i posted a message on mentors and newmaint mailing lists requesting someone to be my advocate. i haven't got any response. I bet there are enough DDs in MIT. So finding someone to sign your key shall be easy. Advocate is somewhat tricky. In general, it looks to me working on high profile project such as d-i BTS or qa gives you good chance of making friend=advocate. Simply waiting some one to contact you with a single mail may not be very effective unfortunately. If you file productive patches to the important packages, the maintainers may think you are great asset to Debian and may be willing to advocate you. After several private mail exchanges, ask him to be advocate you. My advocate knew me only through ML. Of course you need to be ready for TS test etc.. 3. what are the criteria for selection? (shockingly, i see Richard Stallman on hold) V I P H Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] This means that he lacks: * T : Tasks and Skills complete No one doubts his general computer skills. He still have to demonstrate his skill to do somewhat silly minor Debian things right just as others :-). He is on hold because he did not do this. This is different issue from the 40 odd people still waiting for DAM approval with minimal information. I do not endorse current perceived practice of silence by the DAM to some applicants whose is on-hold without any official response. (We have to give DAM some break since he has limited capacity for processing applicants and he is doing DAM with the best intention as volunteer work.) FYI: It looks like just packaging odd programs using dh_make seems to get you with least interest at this moment. Good luck and regards, Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ also http://qref.sf.net `. `' Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software --- Social Contract
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 01:52:43PM -0400, Deva Seetharam wrote: Hi, i am interested in becoming a new maintainer. i understand that i need an advocate to recommend my application. unfortunately i dont know any of the existing developers to be my advocate. so i posted a message on mentors and newmaint mailing lists requesting someone to be my advocate. i havent got any response. i am a little dazed and hvae the following questions: 0. can one apply to be a newmaintainer without an advocate? Yes. You can apply, but your application will not be processed until you get an advocate. 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to debian-mentors@lists.debian.org asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. 2. how long does the application process take? You can see the average times from nm.debian.org. There's currently a long wait after you have completed the criteria before you are accepted. (This may be a few months.) The majority of the application can be done within a few weeks. 3. what are the criteria for selection? (shockingly, i see Richard Stallman on hold) See http://www.debian.org/devel/join/newmaint. Basically, you need to have your ID confirmed, discuss (and agree to) Debian policies and procedures, and demonstrate competence in packaging software and doing other developer tasks. Many people are on hold due to lack of time to complete the application. -- Duncan Findlay
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 01:52:43PM -0400, Deva Seetharam wrote: ... 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to debian-mentors@lists.debian.org asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. Also, you can demonstrate your ability to do debian packaging by showing other projects you've worked on. i.e. c++, shell scripting, makefiles, etc. So that people know that you can make a package. Your advocate can help you to select a package. Look at the WNPP list. 2. how long does the application process take? You can see the average times from nm.debian.org. There's currently a long wait after you have completed the criteria before you are accepted. (This may be a few months.) The majority of the application can be done within a few weeks. My whole application time took around 3 months. To get started, spend some time reading the docs in the new maintainer corner, and reading the mailing lists, and making intelligent posts, so people in the development community can get a little familiar with you. Of course, the very first step is to actually use debian, if you're not already. -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer, lindows.com hyperpoem.net | GNU/Linux software developer people.debian.org/~mbc | encrypted mail preferred We, the men of the mind, are now on strike against you in the name of a single axiom, which is the root of our moral code, just as the root of yours is the wish to escape it: the axiom that existence exists. - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
I demand that Duncan Findlay may or may not have written... On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 01:52:43PM -0400, Deva Seetharam wrote: [snip] 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. And, preferably, package it because you find it to be useful. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to debian-mentors@lists.debian.org asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. The how doesn't matter too much; I've done things in a somewhat different order - get my key signed and have one of the signers be my advocate; wait for an application manager, and ask him to sponsor a (trivial) package. I have other packages (see the URL in my .sig), at least some of which should become official Debian packages, or at least distributed-with-Debian packages. None have sponsors as yet... [snip] -- | Darren Salt | linux (or ds) at | nr. Ashington, | Linux PC, Risc PC | youmustbejoking | Northumberland | No Wodniws here | demon co uk | Toon Army | URL:http://www.youmustbejoking.demon.co.uk/ (PGP 2.6, GPG keys) He who lives without folly is less wise than he believes.
Re: HELP!!! New Maint App Process
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Duncan Findlay wrote: 1. how does one get an advocate? The best way is to package a piece of software, and make the packages available somewhere. Apply to be a NM, and post a message to debian-mentors@lists.debian.org asking for a sponsor. A sponsor will take a look at your package and (assuming all goes well) upload them. If they are sufficiently impressed, they will likely be your advocate. This places the emphasis on packaging software that's not yet in Debian, which is wrong, IMHO. A better answer is that you get an advocate by getting involved in Debian development -- by helping tackle some of the many open bugs against existing packages, or doing QA work, or adopting an orphaned package, or working on the installer, or perhaps by packaging useful software that's not yet part of Debian. Creating new packages is an easy way to demonstrate that one has many of the skills required to be a DD, but more is demanded of DDs than just raw skill. Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgpmyIiuMdxfK.pgp Description: PGP signature
