Re: Accepted python-defaults 2.7.3-5 (source all)
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/05/msg5.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2013/05/msg00020.html debian-python doesn't deserve a similar communication (don't you dare thinking about coordination, it's out of question) because we're just a bunch of puppets waiting for orders by the ultimate master - well done. I would suggest moving on to more constructive topics. sure let's ignore the problem, it's so much easier, isn't it? that's how the whole story was handled, so I can see your point here. well done, again. -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cab4xwxxrgsaoyzbyzixyf2mkq+31bhrb4bicesxcmjzfdr2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Accepted python-defaults 2.7.3-5 (source all)
On 7 May 2013 18:46, Sandro Tosi sandro.t...@gmail.com wrote: debian-python doesn't deserve a similar communication (don't you dare thinking about coordination, it's out of question) because we're just a bunch of puppets waiting for orders by the ultimate master - well done. Selectively quoting the tech committee resolution: These breakdowns appear to be rooted in an unfortunate feedback loop, of which all parties involved share some blame. On multiple occasions, inflammatory comments regarding the employment and/or motives of individuals involved in python have been made. ... The committee expresses its disappointment in the communication problems which have lead to this issue, and strongly suggests that all involved parties be as awesome to each other as possible. Please everyone, make an effort to be polite. I don't know the origin of all the problems in debian-python (and frankly I don't want to), but it's pretty clear that writing snarky messages isn't going to resolve them. If you want to make a point, do so politely and people will be more inclined to listen. Thanks, Thomas
Re: Accepted python-defaults 2.7.3-5 (source all)
Hello, has this been discussed *and* agreed on? I can only see Luca's mail for python plans, but no ack from other members of the debian python board nor the ACK from RT. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Matthias Klose d...@debian.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 02:48:48 +0200 Source: python-defaults Binary: python python-minimal python-examples python-dev idle python-doc python-dbg python-all python-all-dev python-all-dbg Architecture: source all Version: 2.7.3-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Matthias Klose d...@debian.org Changed-By: Matthias Klose d...@debian.org Description: idle - IDE for Python using Tkinter (default version) python - interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version) python-all - package depending on all supported Python runtime versions python-all-dbg - package depending on all supported Python debugging packages python-all-dev - package depending on all supported Python development packages python-dbg - debug build of the Python Interpreter (version 2.7) python-dev - header files and a static library for Python (default) python-doc - documentation for the high-level object-oriented language Python python-examples - examples for the Python language (default version) python-minimal - minimal subset of the Python language (default version) Changes: python-defaults (2.7.3-5) unstable; urgency=low . * Drop Python 2.6 as a supported Python version. Checksums-Sha1: 315dc450ead64db62a2fa12ad33b47274c995904 1560 python-defaults_2.7.3-5.dsc 328d99a7291bb06fc6e34d82d2c6b284ae9dacaa 164899 python-defaults_2.7.3-5.tar.gz a41aa886f6e511400424c73c8eb620e2b981d83a 184016 python_2.7.3-5_all.deb 6a89b342c56926c9a88a9f674d8ff2cb67a142ba 41796 python-minimal_2.7.3-5_all.deb 48f7d67b1692a6b9fbfa56417a56c587c7cf85fe 850 python-examples_2.7.3-5_all.deb af3227891f517dcc595c71f8c76dd9cb2e086f17 908 python-dev_2.7.3-5_all.deb 21b2969b35907c50d49465553c327d37fec6513f 3032 idle_2.7.3-5_all.deb 2132985c086355f0beec97ef561335e3fc32338a 22738 python-doc_2.7.3-5_all.deb aa637dab2b14a02f83c29a77aa4a98fa314f3d0f 1008 python-dbg_2.7.3-5_all.deb 725d890be4a767c02fd9466765a3c8493ba1a8c4 856 python-all_2.7.3-5_all.deb 93869e7bbe3d15ab2ed3e2dd546fd1f05ec5e73a 874 python-all-dev_2.7.3-5_all.deb e46b3d62aa365e95a957c49add92252b154cf2aa 882 python-all-dbg_2.7.3-5_all.deb Checksums-Sha256: 4cc77363730638924075a9ec096f8870c6a67fb36bd6b12fd1e6c669b9055e8e 1560 python-defaults_2.7.3-5.dsc 82a2a99e9a81b8552f23665f305b353702d5d854803d497842a6b1f0b0ff 164899 python-defaults_2.7.3-5.tar.gz 3e7a417705fa203a9629e5bbd3893b2506e79ef3a2463a99e338380f0188d096 184016 python_2.7.3-5_all.deb b057061a2d2d8281b43836ae56e0ee2e86b25d1236d1aed6299760e1d06c713e 41796 python-minimal_2.7.3-5_all.deb c9324ca4cb0ed964e8b273f0d81bf3f5a29be71539e75ff8f62d2daba8f23995 850 python-examples_2.7.3-5_all.deb 74b58147b451b1bc278dbd8cdcb12294fa5381975e24ae92a87a9933150d8b8a 908 python-dev_2.7.3-5_all.deb db41c1e2983d79df8187c3a1ffdd2c4ba22bbf7d90e45e2bdb0f3b62c01611fa 3032 idle_2.7.3-5_all.deb 090f564a8ae8cdcb8b1d5e59dc766237a2a124a9e29a506c2c78f1075a357e07 22738 python-doc_2.7.3-5_all.deb 51d56f09fb38920e1066c883fdc013facd069da5ac2172b5b5302ad305189ea9 1008 python-dbg_2.7.3-5_all.deb 09e0831f1c5e8ef3d13699003614df3028c18853cb92751982843dfdeba32756 856 python-all_2.7.3-5_all.deb 43984b78bc44f82fdf3c4554c5d0bd77b22e171a2ddfdfe8f161424a052d33a7 874 python-all-dev_2.7.3-5_all.deb b43eeca70ed21769bdc478cb26c7172cb1c4806b96e60f56cbe3e481529101b5 882 python-all-dbg_2.7.3-5_all.deb Files: ea09587c19d1fc46f1ee21313d1985d4 1560 python optional python-defaults_2.7.3-5.dsc cde37a578130113b6404de0dd4ee228a 164899 python optional python-defaults_2.7.3-5.tar.gz af727799182693133343afeef1e17800 184016 python standard python_2.7.3-5_all.deb 4dd3d659dbd2f7705f0aa10f34fdd350 41796 python standard python-minimal_2.7.3-5_all.deb 4404958df2028d7e12f463a17391f6ee 850 python optional python-examples_2.7.3-5_all.deb da57f5461bf1e2c1338e3ebbb971888b 908 python optional python-dev_2.7.3-5_all.deb 96d8a24c4590b15681a0ab5c236cb648 3032 python optional idle_2.7.3-5_all.deb d098b041656927b689a51b5bd567dc11 22738 doc optional python-doc_2.7.3-5_all.deb 7e5d66559b7566079f485a085c03cd85 1008 debug extra python-dbg_2.7.3-5_all.deb 835fc1f38b7c9bf01a6e5c2f83530613 856 python optional python-all_2.7.3-5_all.deb dd610a78856b3638a738d135efdf35a1 874 python optional python-all-dev_2.7.3-5_all.deb bd5ddffc146f1f648af4ea70fedc43d0 882 debug extra python-all-dbg_2.7.3-5_all.deb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlGHAEsACgkQStlRaw+TLJz76gCeNKshCnWQDMSXEZtUVuqxvN4h hMsAoJOyX9bZkekVlgXjVZ+cTOjWfXQV =0CrF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus,
Re: Accepted python-defaults 2.7.3-5 (source all)
On 6 May 2013 00:29, Sandro Tosi matrixh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, has this been discussed *and* agreed on? I can only see Luca's mail for python plans, but no ack from other members of the debian python board nor the ACK from RT. Python2.6 security support ends in October 2013 upstream. Which is well ahead of jessie freeze release. From security point of view alone, it would be unwise to ship python2.6 in jessie. Which imho is serious enough reason to remove python2.6 given its potential high exposure when used by web-frameworks. Regards, Dmitrijs. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Matthias Klose d...@debian.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 02:48:48 +0200 Source: python-defaults Binary: python python-minimal python-examples python-dev idle python-doc python-dbg python-all python-all-dev python-all-dbg Architecture: source all Version: 2.7.3-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Matthias Klose d...@debian.org Changed-By: Matthias Klose d...@debian.org Description: idle - IDE for Python using Tkinter (default version) python - interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version) python-all - package depending on all supported Python runtime versions python-all-dbg - package depending on all supported Python debugging packages python-all-dev - package depending on all supported Python development packages python-dbg - debug build of the Python Interpreter (version 2.7) python-dev - header files and a static library for Python (default) python-doc - documentation for the high-level object-oriented language Python python-examples - examples for the Python language (default version) python-minimal - minimal subset of the Python language (default version) Changes: python-defaults (2.7.3-5) unstable; urgency=low . * Drop Python 2.6 as a supported Python version. Checksums-Sha1: 315dc450ead64db62a2fa12ad33b47274c995904 1560 python-defaults_2.7.3-5.dsc 328d99a7291bb06fc6e34d82d2c6b284ae9dacaa 164899 python-defaults_2.7.3-5.tar.gz a41aa886f6e511400424c73c8eb620e2b981d83a 184016 python_2.7.3-5_all.deb 6a89b342c56926c9a88a9f674d8ff2cb67a142ba 41796 python-minimal_2.7.3-5_all.deb 48f7d67b1692a6b9fbfa56417a56c587c7cf85fe 850 python-examples_2.7.3-5_all.deb af3227891f517dcc595c71f8c76dd9cb2e086f17 908 python-dev_2.7.3-5_all.deb 21b2969b35907c50d49465553c327d37fec6513f 3032 idle_2.7.3-5_all.deb 2132985c086355f0beec97ef561335e3fc32338a 22738 python-doc_2.7.3-5_all.deb aa637dab2b14a02f83c29a77aa4a98fa314f3d0f 1008 python-dbg_2.7.3-5_all.deb 725d890be4a767c02fd9466765a3c8493ba1a8c4 856 python-all_2.7.3-5_all.deb 93869e7bbe3d15ab2ed3e2dd546fd1f05ec5e73a 874 python-all-dev_2.7.3-5_all.deb e46b3d62aa365e95a957c49add92252b154cf2aa 882 python-all-dbg_2.7.3-5_all.deb Checksums-Sha256: 4cc77363730638924075a9ec096f8870c6a67fb36bd6b12fd1e6c669b9055e8e 1560 python-defaults_2.7.3-5.dsc 82a2a99e9a81b8552f23665f305b353702d5d854803d497842a6b1f0b0ff 164899 python-defaults_2.7.3-5.tar.gz 3e7a417705fa203a9629e5bbd3893b2506e79ef3a2463a99e338380f0188d096 184016 python_2.7.3-5_all.deb b057061a2d2d8281b43836ae56e0ee2e86b25d1236d1aed6299760e1d06c713e 41796 python-minimal_2.7.3-5_all.deb c9324ca4cb0ed964e8b273f0d81bf3f5a29be71539e75ff8f62d2daba8f23995 850 python-examples_2.7.3-5_all.deb 74b58147b451b1bc278dbd8cdcb12294fa5381975e24ae92a87a9933150d8b8a 908 python-dev_2.7.3-5_all.deb db41c1e2983d79df8187c3a1ffdd2c4ba22bbf7d90e45e2bdb0f3b62c01611fa 3032 idle_2.7.3-5_all.deb 090f564a8ae8cdcb8b1d5e59dc766237a2a124a9e29a506c2c78f1075a357e07 22738 python-doc_2.7.3-5_all.deb 51d56f09fb38920e1066c883fdc013facd069da5ac2172b5b5302ad305189ea9 1008 python-dbg_2.7.3-5_all.deb 09e0831f1c5e8ef3d13699003614df3028c18853cb92751982843dfdeba32756 856 python-all_2.7.3-5_all.deb 43984b78bc44f82fdf3c4554c5d0bd77b22e171a2ddfdfe8f161424a052d33a7 874 python-all-dev_2.7.3-5_all.deb b43eeca70ed21769bdc478cb26c7172cb1c4806b96e60f56cbe3e481529101b5 882 python-all-dbg_2.7.3-5_all.deb Files: ea09587c19d1fc46f1ee21313d1985d4 1560 python optional python-defaults_2.7.3-5.dsc cde37a578130113b6404de0dd4ee228a 164899 python optional python-defaults_2.7.3-5.tar.gz af727799182693133343afeef1e17800 184016 python standard python_2.7.3-5_all.deb 4dd3d659dbd2f7705f0aa10f34fdd350 41796 python standard python-minimal_2.7.3-5_all.deb 4404958df2028d7e12f463a17391f6ee 850 python optional python-examples_2.7.3-5_all.deb da57f5461bf1e2c1338e3ebbb971888b 908 python optional python-dev_2.7.3-5_all.deb 96d8a24c4590b15681a0ab5c236cb648 3032 python optional idle_2.7.3-5_all.deb d098b041656927b689a51b5bd567dc11 22738 doc optional python-doc_2.7.3-5_all.deb 7e5d66559b7566079f485a085c03cd85 1008 debug extra python-dbg_2.7.3-5_all.deb 835fc1f38b7c9bf01a6e5c2f83530613 856 python optional python-all_2.7.3-5_all.deb
Re: Accepted python-defaults 2.7.3-5 (source all)
* Dmitrijs Ledkovs x...@debian.org [2013-05-06 03:13:47 -0700]: On 6 May 2013 00:29, Sandro Tosi matrixh...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, has this been discussed *and* agreed on? I can only see Luca's mail for python plans, but no ack from other members of the debian python board nor the ACK from RT. Python2.6 security support ends in October 2013 upstream. Which is well ahead of jessie freeze release. From security point of view alone, it would be unwise to ship python2.6 in jessie. Which imho is serious enough reason to remove python2.6 given its potential high exposure when used by web-frameworks. Hi, I don't think that's up for discussion. But Sandro's point was about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573745#591 (look at point #6.) Cheers, -- Nicolas Dandrimont We are using Linux daily to UP our productivity - so UP yours! (Adapted from Pat Paulsen by Joe Sloan) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Accepted python-defaults 2.7.3-5 (source all)
On May 06, 2013, at 03:13 AM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Python2.6 security support ends in October 2013 upstream. Which is well ahead of jessie freeze release. From security point of view alone, it would be unwise to ship python2.6 in jessie. Which imho is serious enough reason to remove python2.6 given its potential high exposure when used by web-frameworks. As upstream Python 2.6 RM, I can tell you that there will be exactly one more[1] 2.6 release: 2.6.9. This will be the final security release for that version and I plan on doing it in October, as stated in PEP 361. Then, thank Guido, I will finally be able to close that branch. :) -Barry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130506114138.3017c9ae@anarchist
Re: Accepted python-defaults 2.7.3-5 (source all)
Do you object to the dropping of 2.6 or just the lack of discussion before it was done? Scott K On Monday, May 06, 2013 09:29:11 AM Sandro Tosi wrote: Hello, has this been discussed *and* agreed on? I can only see Luca's mail for python plans, but no ack from other members of the debian python board nor the ACK from RT. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Matthias Klose d...@debian.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 02:48:48 +0200 Source: python-defaults Binary: python python-minimal python-examples python-dev idle python-doc python-dbg python-all python-all-dev python-all-dbg Architecture: source all Version: 2.7.3-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Matthias Klose d...@debian.org Changed-By: Matthias Klose d...@debian.org Description: idle - IDE for Python using Tkinter (default version) python - interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version) python-all - package depending on all supported Python runtime versions python-all-dbg - package depending on all supported Python debugging packages python-all-dev - package depending on all supported Python development packages python-dbg - debug build of the Python Interpreter (version 2.7) python-dev - header files and a static library for Python (default) python-doc - documentation for the high-level object-oriented language Python python-examples - examples for the Python language (default version) python-minimal - minimal subset of the Python language (default version) Changes: python-defaults (2.7.3-5) unstable; urgency=low . * Drop Python 2.6 as a supported Python version. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2147128.duTVYV1Ksl@scott-latitude-e6320
Re: Accepted python-defaults 2.7.3-5 (source all)
The lack of discussion, as mandated by TC. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Scott Kitterman deb...@kitterman.com wrote: Do you object to the dropping of 2.6 or just the lack of discussion before it was done? Scott K On Monday, May 06, 2013 09:29:11 AM Sandro Tosi wrote: Hello, has this been discussed *and* agreed on? I can only see Luca's mail for python plans, but no ack from other members of the debian python board nor the ACK from RT. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Matthias Klose d...@debian.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 02:48:48 +0200 Source: python-defaults Binary: python python-minimal python-examples python-dev idle python-doc python-dbg python-all python-all-dev python-all-dbg Architecture: source all Version: 2.7.3-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Matthias Klose d...@debian.org Changed-By: Matthias Klose d...@debian.org Description: idle - IDE for Python using Tkinter (default version) python - interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version) python-all - package depending on all supported Python runtime versions python-all-dbg - package depending on all supported Python debugging packages python-all-dev - package depending on all supported Python development packages python-dbg - debug build of the Python Interpreter (version 2.7) python-dev - header files and a static library for Python (default) python-doc - documentation for the high-level object-oriented language Python python-examples - examples for the Python language (default version) python-minimal - minimal subset of the Python language (default version) Changes: python-defaults (2.7.3-5) unstable; urgency=low . * Drop Python 2.6 as a supported Python version. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2147128.duTVYV1Ksl@scott-latitude-e6320 -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, matrixhasu) My website: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/ Me at Debian: http://wiki.debian.org/SandroTosi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAB4XWXzwb5Vgx15m0qhuoUyvowkbF2KMQmMXMxw7wQ7PRN8=g...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Accepted python-defaults 2.7.3-5 (source all)
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 10:15:42PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: The lack of discussion, as mandated by TC. The resolution refers to the interpreter packages. The python metapackages were already under team maintenance at the time of this resolution and were out of scope for the decision. While it's obviously to everyone's benefit to have clear communication around packages that impact a large number of other packages, I don't think it's productive to use the TC resolution as a stick for beating people, particularly wrt packages that were not the subject of that resolution. The metapackage maintainers can speak for themselves whether they consider the upload to have been adequately agreed within the team. Maintainers of related packages who feel the upload wasn't suitably coordinated can justifiably complain to the maintainers. But accusing the one maintainer who did the upload of violating the TC resolution smells like a witch hunt. Unless this upload has materially impacted your packages due to a lack of coordination - and I don't see how it could, given that this is an obvious change to make, and can't possibly have interfered with other transitions given that it comes at the beginning of the release cycle - I would suggest moving on to more constructive topics. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Accepted python-defaults 2.7.3-5 (source all)
* Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org, 2013-05-06, 14:52: Unless this upload has materially impacted your packages due to a lack of coordination - and I don't see how it could, given that this is an obvious change to make, and can't possibly have interfered with other transitions given that it comes at the beginning of the release cycle - Do you mean that no transitions happen in the beginning of the release cycle? Perhaps all the current traffic on debian-release@ is just congratulation mails? (I don't know, I no longer have time to read it.) I would suggest moving on to more constructive topics. Okay. Does python3.3 qualify as python interpreter package? -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130506224329.ga5...@jwilk.net
