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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Richard Atterer
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:59:01AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
 Anyone with the time and ability can work on a project like this without
 joining the security team.  Mozilla in particular is a huge amount of
 work to bring up to date and so far no one has found it critical enough
 relative to the effort required.

Is there a list of such unresolved security problems which is accessible by
people not in the security team? There was talk once about providing such a
list, but AFAICT nothing happened - hmm, or is it the list of
security-tagged bugs?

Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: Backporting SELinux to woody

2004-03-10 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 04:58:14PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
  I suspect that the problem can be with old glibc (2.2.5) but I'm not
  sure. Because that I'd like to ask should I backport glibc from sarge?
 
 There have been some changes to the way libxattr works.  From memory I think 
 that you needed an extra -l option on the link command line when compiling 
 with old libc6.  I can't remember whether it was linking the PAM module or 
 libselinux that needed it (or maybe both).

I already found that -lattr should be added to Makefiles in
policycoreutils-1.6 to build it and to Makefile for pam_unix module
into libpam. I also think that the same should be done in
libselinux1-1.6 and even looked through Makefiles there, but didn't
found where and how to link libattr to libselinux1. That because I
don't know how to build libraries i.e. I know ./configure  make
or fakeroot debian/rules binary for libraries but I don't know
low-level work.

So, the question: how can I link libattr to libselinux1?


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Re: Backporting SELinux to woody

2004-03-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:26, Milan P. Stanic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  There have been some changes to the way libxattr works.  From memory I
  think that you needed an extra -l option on the link command line when
  compiling with old libc6.  I can't remember whether it was linking the
  PAM module or libselinux that needed it (or maybe both).

 I already found that -lattr should be added to Makefiles in
 policycoreutils-1.6 to build it and to Makefile for pam_unix module
 into libpam. I also think that the same should be done in
 libselinux1-1.6 and even looked through Makefiles there, but didn't
 found where and how to link libattr to libselinux1. That because I
 don't know how to build libraries i.e. I know ./configure  make
 or fakeroot debian/rules binary for libraries but I don't know
 low-level work.

 So, the question: how can I link libattr to libselinux1?

Edit src/Makefile and add -lattr in the $(CC) line for $(LIBSO).

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Re: Backporting SELinux to woody

2004-03-10 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:04:38PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
  So, the question: how can I link libattr to libselinux1?
 
 Edit src/Makefile and add -lattr in the $(CC) line for $(LIBSO).

That is. I just rebuilt policycoreutils and pam with libselinux1
which is linked with libattr and it was smooth. 
Now I have to backport coreutils and sysvinit, huh.

Thank you, Russell.


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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Florian Weimer
Jan Lühr wrote:

 So is mozilla the forgotten package? Considering how popular mozilla is, 
 making it secure would be worth the effort - imho.

How many of Mozilla's security bugs which are fix during routine
upgrades are discussed publicly?  Can they be backported easily?

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Jan Lühr
Greetings,


Am Mittwoch, 10. März 2004 17:06 schrieben Sie:
 Jan Lühr wrote:
  So is mozilla the forgotten package? Considering how popular mozilla is,
  making it secure would be worth the effort - imho.

 How many of Mozilla's security bugs which are fix during routine
 upgrades are discussed publicly?  Can they be backported easily?

I'm not in touch with the mozilla code. Thus I cannot say how easy it is to 
backport 'em.

Keep smiling
yanosz


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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 05:06:12PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:

 Jan L?hr wrote:
 
  So is mozilla the forgotten package? Considering how popular mozilla is, 
  making it secure would be worth the effort - imho.
 
 How many of Mozilla's security bugs which are fix during routine
 upgrades are discussed publicly?  Can they be backported easily?

A number of the bug reports and patches (in Bugzilla) are still not publicly
accessible, even though the bugs have been known and released for quite some
time.  Some are straightforward to backport; others involve a lengthy search
just to determine if the same problem exists in an older version.

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Florian Weimer
Jan Lühr wrote:

 Am Mittwoch, 10. März 2004 17:06 schrieben Sie:
  Jan Lühr wrote:
   So is mozilla the forgotten package? Considering how popular mozilla is,
   making it secure would be worth the effort - imho.
 
  How many of Mozilla's security bugs which are fix during routine
  upgrades are discussed publicly?  Can they be backported easily?
 
 I'm not in touch with the mozilla code. Thus I cannot say how easy it is to 
 backport 'em.

Some of the known bugs are described at the following page:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html

Mandrake has recently released an advisory, maybe their patches could be
used for the 1.0 backports.

Hmm, has there been any Mozilla security update for woody?  This looks
like a *lot* of work.  Maybe it's better to take some other
distribution's Mozilla 1.4 package and ship that. 8-

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 07:44:11PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
 Hmm, has there been any Mozilla security update for woody?  This looks
 like a *lot* of work.  Maybe it's better to take some other
 distribution's Mozilla 1.4 package and ship that. 8-

That's highly unlikely to happen.  It's been discussed before.  In fact,
at one point somebody uploaded mozilla 1.0.2 to stable-proposed-updates,
but that was rejected.  Apparently, although the mozilla developers
claimed they wouldn't do it, 1.0.2 broke compatibility with derivitive
browsers like Galeon.  I don't recall the details.

When I was working on trying to construct a security upload for mozilla
a while back, I was basing a lot of my work on mozilla 1.0.1 (1.0.2
wasn't out yet).  By examining the list of bugs fixed in 1.0.1, I had a
good place to start to try and track down some patches.  Unfortunately,
the changes were rather large and in many cases were not entirely
self-contained and would have wound up pulling even more new code in.

It was, generally, a fairly painful experience, and although I did get
some patches applied (and tested!) I never felt like I made significant
progress toward fixing all the known bugs.  I haven't looked at the code
in quite some time.  Honestly, at this point, who uses Mozilla 1.0?
Why?

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Florian Weimer
Noah Meyerhans wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 07:44:11PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
  Hmm, has there been any Mozilla security update for woody?  This looks
  like a *lot* of work.  Maybe it's better to take some other
  distribution's Mozilla 1.4 package and ship that. 8-
 
 That's highly unlikely to happen.  It's been discussed before.  In fact,
 at one point somebody uploaded mozilla 1.0.2 to stable-proposed-updates,
 but that was rejected.  Apparently, although the mozilla developers
 claimed they wouldn't do it, 1.0.2 broke compatibility with derivitive
 browsers like Galeon.  I don't recall the details.

Okay, if that's the case, I'm going to start a campaign for including
Mozilla 1.4 (plus fixes) in stable.

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Steve Kemp
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:34:44PM -0500, Noah Meyerhans wrote:

 It was, generally, a fairly painful experience, and although I did get
 some patches applied (and tested!) I never felt like I made significant
 progress toward fixing all the known bugs.  

  This was my feeling as well, applying some of the trivial patches
 to fix known bugs and holes was worthwhile in itself, but it seems
 rather half-hearted to release a security update which essentially
 says:

This update fixes XX bugs, but YY security related bugs still
exist.

 I haven't looked at the code in quite some time.

  Me neither right now, although one of the hardest parts about getting
 started was figuring out the build/package system - that was useful.

 Honestly, at this point, who uses Mozilla 1.0?
 Why?

  Everybody using Debian Stable?  Although I'm not too sure of the
 number of people that would be.   I know that all my servers are
 stable machiens, but they don't have much in the way of X11 libraries
 installed upon them, let alone Mozilla.

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:48:02PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
 Noah Meyerhans wrote:

Hi,

  That's highly unlikely to happen.  It's been discussed before.  In fact,
  at one point somebody uploaded mozilla 1.0.2 to stable-proposed-updates,
  but that was rejected.  Apparently, although the mozilla developers
  claimed they wouldn't do it, 1.0.2 broke compatibility with derivitive
  browsers like Galeon.  I don't recall the details.
 
 Okay, if that's the case, I'm going to start a campaign for including
 Mozilla 1.4 (plus fixes) in stable.
Well why just include 1.4 and not 1.6? I know that the backports.org mozilla
packages are working at least on i386. (ok beside the fact that you're braking
third party apps).  Haven't checked what's in proposed-updates so far.

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Re: Backporting SELinux to woody

2004-03-10 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 01:29:16PM +0100, Milan P. Stanic wrote:
 That is. I just rebuilt policycoreutils and pam with libselinux1
 which is linked with libattr and it was smooth. 
 Now I have to backport coreutils and sysvinit, huh.

Hate to reply myself, but I'd like to inform you that I backported
libselinux, selinux-utils, policycoreutils, pam, coreutils, sysvinit,
checkpolicy and selinux-policy-default to woody. It works under UML.

If someone needs them I can put it on the net or post somewhere, or
maybe help if the help is needed.


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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Florian Weimer
Sven Hoexter wrote:

  Okay, if that's the case, I'm going to start a campaign for including
  Mozilla 1.4 (plus fixes) in stable.

 Well why just include 1.4 and not 1.6?

AFAIK, 1.4 is the more stable branch, and fixes are still backported to
it (at least by MandrakeSoft 8-).

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Sven Hoexter wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:48:02PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
[...]
  Okay, if that's the case, I'm going to start a campaign for
  including Mozilla 1.4 (plus fixes) in stable.
 
 Well why just include 1.4 and not 1.6? I know that the backports.org
 mozilla packages are working at least on i386.

They aren't working on alpha. 

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Re: Backporting SELinux to woody

2004-03-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:22, Milan P. Stanic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 01:29:16PM +0100, Milan P. Stanic wrote:
  That is. I just rebuilt policycoreutils and pam with libselinux1
  which is linked with libattr and it was smooth.
  Now I have to backport coreutils and sysvinit, huh.

 Hate to reply myself, but I'd like to inform you that I backported
 libselinux, selinux-utils, policycoreutils, pam, coreutils, sysvinit,
 checkpolicy and selinux-policy-default to woody. It works under UML.

 If someone needs them I can put it on the net or post somewhere, or
 maybe help if the help is needed.

If you could establish an apt repository for it then that would be very 
useful.  Brian's SE Linux packages haven't been updated for a while.

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Richard Atterer
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:59:01AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
 Anyone with the time and ability can work on a project like this without
 joining the security team.  Mozilla in particular is a huge amount of
 work to bring up to date and so far no one has found it critical enough
 relative to the effort required.

Is there a list of such unresolved security problems which is accessible by
people not in the security team? There was talk once about providing such a
list, but AFAICT nothing happened - hmm, or is it the list of
security-tagged bugs?

Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: Backporting SELinux to woody

2004-03-10 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 04:58:14PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
  I suspect that the problem can be with old glibc (2.2.5) but I'm not
  sure. Because that I'd like to ask should I backport glibc from sarge?
 
 There have been some changes to the way libxattr works.  From memory I think 
 that you needed an extra -l option on the link command line when compiling 
 with old libc6.  I can't remember whether it was linking the PAM module or 
 libselinux that needed it (or maybe both).

I already found that -lattr should be added to Makefiles in
policycoreutils-1.6 to build it and to Makefile for pam_unix module
into libpam. I also think that the same should be done in
libselinux1-1.6 and even looked through Makefiles there, but didn't
found where and how to link libattr to libselinux1. That because I
don't know how to build libraries i.e. I know ./configure  make
or fakeroot debian/rules binary for libraries but I don't know
low-level work.

So, the question: how can I link libattr to libselinux1?



Re: Backporting SELinux to woody

2004-03-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:26, Milan P. Stanic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  There have been some changes to the way libxattr works.  From memory I
  think that you needed an extra -l option on the link command line when
  compiling with old libc6.  I can't remember whether it was linking the
  PAM module or libselinux that needed it (or maybe both).

 I already found that -lattr should be added to Makefiles in
 policycoreutils-1.6 to build it and to Makefile for pam_unix module
 into libpam. I also think that the same should be done in
 libselinux1-1.6 and even looked through Makefiles there, but didn't
 found where and how to link libattr to libselinux1. That because I
 don't know how to build libraries i.e. I know ./configure  make
 or fakeroot debian/rules binary for libraries but I don't know
 low-level work.

 So, the question: how can I link libattr to libselinux1?

Edit src/Makefile and add -lattr in the $(CC) line for $(LIBSO).

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Re: Backporting SELinux to woody

2004-03-10 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 10:04:38PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
  So, the question: how can I link libattr to libselinux1?
 
 Edit src/Makefile and add -lattr in the $(CC) line for $(LIBSO).

That is. I just rebuilt policycoreutils and pam with libselinux1
which is linked with libattr and it was smooth. 
Now I have to backport coreutils and sysvinit, huh.

Thank you, Russell.



Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Florian Weimer
Jan Lühr wrote:

 So is mozilla the forgotten package? Considering how popular mozilla is, 
 making it secure would be worth the effort - imho.

How many of Mozilla's security bugs which are fix during routine
upgrades are discussed publicly?  Can they be backported easily?

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Jan Lühr
Greetings,


Am Mittwoch, 10. März 2004 17:06 schrieben Sie:
 Jan Lühr wrote:
  So is mozilla the forgotten package? Considering how popular mozilla is,
  making it secure would be worth the effort - imho.

 How many of Mozilla's security bugs which are fix during routine
 upgrades are discussed publicly?  Can they be backported easily?

I'm not in touch with the mozilla code. Thus I cannot say how easy it is to 
backport 'em.

Keep smiling
yanosz



Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 05:06:12PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:

 Jan L?hr wrote:
 
  So is mozilla the forgotten package? Considering how popular mozilla is, 
  making it secure would be worth the effort - imho.
 
 How many of Mozilla's security bugs which are fix during routine
 upgrades are discussed publicly?  Can they be backported easily?

A number of the bug reports and patches (in Bugzilla) are still not publicly
accessible, even though the bugs have been known and released for quite some
time.  Some are straightforward to backport; others involve a lengthy search
just to determine if the same problem exists in an older version.

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Florian Weimer
Jan Lühr wrote:

 Am Mittwoch, 10. März 2004 17:06 schrieben Sie:
  Jan Lühr wrote:
   So is mozilla the forgotten package? Considering how popular mozilla is,
   making it secure would be worth the effort - imho.
 
  How many of Mozilla's security bugs which are fix during routine
  upgrades are discussed publicly?  Can they be backported easily?
 
 I'm not in touch with the mozilla code. Thus I cannot say how easy it is to 
 backport 'em.

Some of the known bugs are described at the following page:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html

Mandrake has recently released an advisory, maybe their patches could be
used for the 1.0 backports.

Hmm, has there been any Mozilla security update for woody?  This looks
like a *lot* of work.  Maybe it's better to take some other
distribution's Mozilla 1.4 package and ship that. 8-

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 07:44:11PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
 Hmm, has there been any Mozilla security update for woody?  This looks
 like a *lot* of work.  Maybe it's better to take some other
 distribution's Mozilla 1.4 package and ship that. 8-

That's highly unlikely to happen.  It's been discussed before.  In fact,
at one point somebody uploaded mozilla 1.0.2 to stable-proposed-updates,
but that was rejected.  Apparently, although the mozilla developers
claimed they wouldn't do it, 1.0.2 broke compatibility with derivitive
browsers like Galeon.  I don't recall the details.

When I was working on trying to construct a security upload for mozilla
a while back, I was basing a lot of my work on mozilla 1.0.1 (1.0.2
wasn't out yet).  By examining the list of bugs fixed in 1.0.1, I had a
good place to start to try and track down some patches.  Unfortunately,
the changes were rather large and in many cases were not entirely
self-contained and would have wound up pulling even more new code in.

It was, generally, a fairly painful experience, and although I did get
some patches applied (and tested!) I never felt like I made significant
progress toward fixing all the known bugs.  I haven't looked at the code
in quite some time.  Honestly, at this point, who uses Mozilla 1.0?
Why?

noah



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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Florian Weimer
Noah Meyerhans wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 07:44:11PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
  Hmm, has there been any Mozilla security update for woody?  This looks
  like a *lot* of work.  Maybe it's better to take some other
  distribution's Mozilla 1.4 package and ship that. 8-
 
 That's highly unlikely to happen.  It's been discussed before.  In fact,
 at one point somebody uploaded mozilla 1.0.2 to stable-proposed-updates,
 but that was rejected.  Apparently, although the mozilla developers
 claimed they wouldn't do it, 1.0.2 broke compatibility with derivitive
 browsers like Galeon.  I don't recall the details.

Okay, if that's the case, I'm going to start a campaign for including
Mozilla 1.4 (plus fixes) in stable.

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Steve Kemp
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 02:34:44PM -0500, Noah Meyerhans wrote:

 It was, generally, a fairly painful experience, and although I did get
 some patches applied (and tested!) I never felt like I made significant
 progress toward fixing all the known bugs.  

  This was my feeling as well, applying some of the trivial patches
 to fix known bugs and holes was worthwhile in itself, but it seems
 rather half-hearted to release a security update which essentially
 says:

This update fixes XX bugs, but YY security related bugs still
exist.

 I haven't looked at the code in quite some time.

  Me neither right now, although one of the hardest parts about getting
 started was figuring out the build/package system - that was useful.

 Honestly, at this point, who uses Mozilla 1.0?
 Why?

  Everybody using Debian Stable?  Although I'm not too sure of the
 number of people that would be.   I know that all my servers are
 stable machiens, but they don't have much in the way of X11 libraries
 installed upon them, let alone Mozilla.

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Sven Hoexter
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:48:02PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
 Noah Meyerhans wrote:

Hi,

  That's highly unlikely to happen.  It's been discussed before.  In fact,
  at one point somebody uploaded mozilla 1.0.2 to stable-proposed-updates,
  but that was rejected.  Apparently, although the mozilla developers
  claimed they wouldn't do it, 1.0.2 broke compatibility with derivitive
  browsers like Galeon.  I don't recall the details.
 
 Okay, if that's the case, I'm going to start a campaign for including
 Mozilla 1.4 (plus fixes) in stable.
Well why just include 1.4 and not 1.6? I know that the backports.org mozilla
packages are working at least on i386. (ok beside the fact that you're braking
third party apps).  Haven't checked what's in proposed-updates so far.

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Re: Backporting SELinux to woody

2004-03-10 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 01:29:16PM +0100, Milan P. Stanic wrote:
 That is. I just rebuilt policycoreutils and pam with libselinux1
 which is linked with libattr and it was smooth. 
 Now I have to backport coreutils and sysvinit, huh.

Hate to reply myself, but I'd like to inform you that I backported
libselinux, selinux-utils, policycoreutils, pam, coreutils, sysvinit,
checkpolicy and selinux-policy-default to woody. It works under UML.

If someone needs them I can put it on the net or post somewhere, or
maybe help if the help is needed.



Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Florian Weimer
Sven Hoexter wrote:

  Okay, if that's the case, I'm going to start a campaign for including
  Mozilla 1.4 (plus fixes) in stable.

 Well why just include 1.4 and not 1.6?

AFAIK, 1.4 is the more stable branch, and fixes are still backported to
it (at least by MandrakeSoft 8-).

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Re: mozilla - the forgotten package?

2004-03-10 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Sven Hoexter wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 08:48:02PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
[...]
  Okay, if that's the case, I'm going to start a campaign for
  including Mozilla 1.4 (plus fixes) in stable.
 
 Well why just include 1.4 and not 1.6? I know that the backports.org
 mozilla packages are working at least on i386.

They aren't working on alpha. 

Norbert



Re: Backporting SELinux to woody

2004-03-10 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:22, Milan P. Stanic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 01:29:16PM +0100, Milan P. Stanic wrote:
  That is. I just rebuilt policycoreutils and pam with libselinux1
  which is linked with libattr and it was smooth.
  Now I have to backport coreutils and sysvinit, huh.

 Hate to reply myself, but I'd like to inform you that I backported
 libselinux, selinux-utils, policycoreutils, pam, coreutils, sysvinit,
 checkpolicy and selinux-policy-default to woody. It works under UML.

 If someone needs them I can put it on the net or post somewhere, or
 maybe help if the help is needed.

If you could establish an apt repository for it then that would be very 
useful.  Brian's SE Linux packages haven't been updated for a while.

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