Re: Netiquette of requesting package updates

1996-08-25 Thread Brian C. White
 As a new Debian user who migrated from Slackware, one of the
 few things I find a comparative disadvantage is being dropped
 back to earlier releases of certain programs.  I spend close
 to 50% of my Linux time using two programs, an editor and
 a WWW browser, and in both cases the current Debian version
 is several months out of date.

Which editor and browser are you talking about?  Are you looking
at the stable or the development directory tree?

I maintain the netscape package and it is right up to date.
You have to look at the development tree to see it, though.  (Well,
it _will_ be up-to-date as soon as it gets moved out of Incoming.)


 The last thing I want to do is to pester a volunteer who is
 freely donating time to hurry up with a new package.  On
 the other hand, it would seem that keeping up with new releases
 should be part of the maintainer's responsibility.  What is the
 etiquette on requesting or inquiring about package updates, if
 any?

Personally, I'm more than happy to receive a short, polite note
telling me that a later version of Netscape has been released.


 And in the meantime, I assume it would be best to remove the two
 packages in question and put binaries of the newer versions in
 /usr/local/bin, rather than to just replace the installed
 binaries in /usr/bin?

I believe so, yes.

Brian
   ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )

---
In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they're not.




Re: /etc/passwd migration between systems

1996-08-25 Thread Gilbert Ramirez Jr.
As Jim Worthington said:
 
 Also I get the following message when trying to run crack ver 4.1:
 
  Crack v4.1f: The Password Cracker, (c) Alec D.E. Muffett, 1992
 
  Version of crypt() being used internally is not compatible with
  standard.
 
 Has anybody successfully been able to run crack on Debian Linux 1.1?
 
 Jim
 

Randy Gobbel and I are looking at Crack right now on Linux (kernel 2.0.12).

If you make FCRYPT equal to null in Sources/Makefile, and possibly remove
references to FCRYPT, you can successfully compile and run Crack. To me it
seems like the Makefile is configure to either use fcrypt or UFC, but not a
standard crypt. This is because most standard crypts are SLOW. But the
Linux crypt is very fast. Change the Makefile like so:


FCRYPT=


However.

Using the default -O optimization makes Crack stop when it begins applying
the rules that append numeric digits to the end of a word (near the end of
dict.rules).  Randy's mahcine (586) freezes, while mine (486) merely dumps
core.

If you replace -O with -g, in an attempt to run gdb on it, Crack runs fine
all the way through the end of the rules. But, when Crack is about to write
the final information to file, it messes up again. On Randy's machine,
inodes get messed up. On mine, the file is written to disk, but under a
garbage name 250+ characters of random punctuation and control
characters. I did not count the number of characters... 256 would be an
interesting number.

Randy  I aren't sure what's causing the problem. Any help at all would be
appreciated. There are 3 places I see that could contian a bug:

1) Crack
2) libc
3) the kernel

This is my first time running Crack, so I don't know if it ran well before
on 1.2.x kernels, or on other Unices.

libc might be at fault, because of the weird disk events that happen when
Crack finishes.

Or the kernel might be at fault... my Crack (!) dumps core, but Randy's
machine totally freezes.

If anyone would like to compile Crack and help in our effort to find the
bug, you can get the sources at http://www.deter.com , in one of the
sub-pages.

Thanks!

--gilbert

__
Gilbert Ramirez Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
University of Texas http://merece.uthscsa.edu/gram
Health Science Center at San AntonioUniversity Health System



A few problems

1996-08-25 Thread Miro Torrielli
I've been having a few problems lately:

1. After I recompiled the kernel, NAS loads fine at boot,
but auplay et all tell me that they can't connect to audio server.
Can anybody help??

2. I can't get diald to work. Pppd works fine, but diald disconnects
from my ISP as soon as I get connected. I have a feeling that
this has to do with the diald options file, and possibly the pppd
options file. Any tips?

3. Lacking knowledge of the XPM format, I need to know how to
make transparent pixmap backgrounds (for icons). I can't get xpaint
or pixmap to do this. Anyone know how??

Thanx for your time...:-)



using procmail with emacs RMAIL

1996-08-25 Thread Stephen Masterman
Hi,

Can someone point me to info for the quickest, easiest way to use procmail
with Emacs RMAIL to separate, say, the debian list into a separate folder?
I normally have no problem putting hours into something like this, but lately
I'm incredibly busy and there seems to have been loads of traffic on debian
recently, so that I'd really like to get it working as quickly as possible.

Thanks in advance,
Steve



Re: Netiquette of requesting package updates

1996-08-25 Thread David Sewell
Brian C. White writes:

 I spend close
 to 50% of my Linux time using two programs, an editor and
 a WWW browser, and in both cases the current Debian version
 is several months out of date.

Which editor and browser are you talking about?  Are you looking
at the stable or the development directory tree?

I maintain the netscape package and it is right up to date.

I was being purposely vague because I didn't want to single anyone
out, but no, they're both popular text-only programs. One of
them is behind by a minor version, the other by a major +  2 minors.

No more clues.  :)



UPDATE: deb-view.el 1.2: emacs tool for browsing deb files!

1996-08-25 Thread Rick Macdonald

I've updated deb-view.el to handle viewing html files with w3-mode.

w3 can be found via anonymous ftp to ftp.cs.indiana.edu:/pub/elisp/w3.
For use within deb-view, I didn't need to install the extras or
icons that w3 recommends.

I had considered something special for INFO files, but info files are
pretty well readable as-is so it wasn't worth the effort.

Here is a shortened version of my original announcement:

I've written a tool for emacs that allows one to browse deb files.
It's nice to peek at a package file and read the doc, man pages,
html files, install scripts, file list, etc, without installing it first.
You can even copy files out of a deb archive if you want to!

Why emacs? Because most of the smarts to do this stuff was already in
emacs. I just gathered it together in a simple but clever way for Debian
users!  ;-)  Emacs users will recognize tar-mode, the emacs feature
that that I'm exploiting.

You can get the latest deb-view.el from here:

http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~macdonal/deb-view.el

Sorry, I don't have anonymous ftp for you. The file is about 13KB.
If you can't get at it, I can email it to you.

-- 
...RickM...




Re: /etc/passwd migration between systems

1996-08-25 Thread Jim Worthington
Gilbert Ramirez Jr. wrote:
 
 As Jim Worthington said:
 
  Has anybody successfully been able to run crack on Debian Linux 1.1?

 
 Randy Gobbel and I are looking at Crack right now on Linux (kernel 2.0.12).
 
 If you make FCRYPT equal to null in Sources/Makefile, and possibly remove
 references to FCRYPT, you can successfully compile and run Crack. To me it
 seems like the Makefile is configure to either use fcrypt or UFC, but not a
 standard crypt. This is because most standard crypts are SLOW. But the
 Linux crypt is very fast. Change the Makefile like so:
 
 FCRYPT=

Gilbert,

I've tried UFC CRYPT in addition to FCRYPT with equally un-successful
results.  The use of standard crypt makes sense as you suggest, however,
I believe that the crypt which is distributed with Debian 1.1 is broken,
or at least incompatable with the standard Unix crypt algorithm. 
Whether this is a bug or a security enhancement is unknown.

I do know that when I tried to copy my /etc/passwd file from a Sun
system to Debian 1.1, the passwords would not decrypt correctly on
login.  Since the passwd file that I'm trying to test is not native to
Debian Linux, the native Debian crypt algorithm won't be much use in
it's incompatible state.

I do get some warning messages when crack is invoked.  Perhaps this is
related to why it won't run:   Any Ideas?

bytesex.c: In function `main':
bytesex.c:19: warning: left shift count = width of type
crack-pwc.c: In function `TryManyUsers':
crack-pwc.c:556: warning: passing arg 2 of `strcpy' makes pointer from
integer without a cast
crack-pwc.c: In function `TryOneUser':
crack-pwc.c:598: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcmp' makes pointer from
integer without a cast
crack-pwc.c: In function `main':
crack-pwc.c:1094: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcmp' makes pointer from
integer without a cast

The version of crack that I am using is 4.1f.  I thought that somebody
on this list made reference to version 4.5 about a week ago.  Do you
know what the most recent version is and where it can be obtained?

Jim  [EMAIL PROTECTED]




HELP!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1996-08-25 Thread Stephen M Gordon
i loged on for the first time in 2 weeks and i had 405 messages!!
i would like to know:

H O W  DO IG E T   O F F   T H I S
M AIL
LIST???//

it is driving me crazy..I WANT
OFF
 MANNY thanks



Re: A few problems

1996-08-25 Thread Philippe Troin

On Sat, 24 Aug 1996 23:21:57 +0200 Miro Torrielli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
) wrote:

 I've been having a few problems lately:
 
 2. I can't get diald to work. Pppd works fine, but diald disconnects
 from my ISP as soon as I get connected. I have a feeling that
 this has to do with the diald options file, and possibly the pppd
 options file. Any tips?

Have you got the standard configuration ?
What does the logs (/var/log/messages  /var/log/daemon.log) say ?

 3. Lacking knowledge of the XPM format, I need to know how to
 make transparent pixmap backgrounds (for icons). I can't get xpaint
 or pixmap to do this. Anyone know how??

Edit the file by hand, and change the background color specification from
its color code (#07070808 for example) or name to `none'.
I don't know about a graphics program which can do it automatically yet...

Phil.




Re: A few problems

1996-08-25 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Miro --

(I'm not sure of these answers, but see if any of them help.)

You asked:
 1. After I recompiled the kernel, NAS loads fine at boot,
 but auplay et all tell me that they can't connect to audio server.
 Can anybody help??

I think that the error here may be that the kernel provided with 2.0.6 uses
a non-standard IRQ (namely, 7) for sound boards.  If you recompile a kernel,
and use IRQ=5 for your sound board (which is what most of them really use),
then you might get NAS to work.  Alternatively, some people have reported
that they get sound to work if they use kernel 2.0.0, but I don't know
exactly what that works for them.


 2. I can't get diald to work. Pppd works fine, but diald disconnects
 from my ISP as soon as I get connected. I have a feeling that
 this has to do with the diald options file, and possibly the pppd
 options file. Any tips?

Mark Warburton solved his problems by turning off all the 
modem-related options in the ppp config file.


Joonwoo Nam reported that adding 'connect-timeout' as an option 
solved his problem.  He gave this /usr/sbin/ppp-up script:
  /usr/sbin/ppp-up
  
  #!/bin/sh

  /bin/setserial /dev/cua1 spd_hi
  /usr/sbin/diald /dev/cua1 -m ppp local 127.0.0.3 \
  remote 127.0.0.2 \
  defaultroute modem crtscts dynamic connect-timeout 180 \
  connect '/usr/sbin/chat -f /etc/ppp/chat-ppp' \
  fifo /var/adm/diald.ctl

  Adding the following entry at the end of /etc/diald.conf
  also helped me out making the line keep up contiguously:

  restrict * * * * *
  up



 3. Lacking knowledge of the XPM format, I need to know how to
 make transparent pixmap backgrounds (for icons). I can't get xpaint
 or pixmap to do this. Anyone know how??

(Perhaps klutsy, but practical answer:)
Convert the xpm file to a .gif (perhaps using xv from the non-free 
  distribution).
Then use giftrans to make the gif file transparent.


HTH,
Susan Kleinmann



Re: Fix for your serial/PPP problems

1996-08-25 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann

Hi Philippe --

You wrote:
 
 On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:14:10 PDT Philippe Troin (phil) wrote:
 
  On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:23:16 EDT renald loignon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   Could someone knowledgeable in low-level kernel matters take a look at th
e
   following?  I looked at the Web page, and though it sounds interesting
   overall (and it WOULD solve a serial problem I experienced with Debian 1.
1.1
   and kernel 2.0.6), there appear to be some technical inaccuracies which g
ive
   me second thoughts. Any comments appreciated.
  [mail copy snipped]
  
  I've browsed through the web page, and this just looks sensible to me.
  The question is: why isn't this part of standard kernel ?
 
 I've been trying it for over 24 hours, and I must say I'm quite impressed.
 PPP  performance has really increased. It is streaming for long periods witho
ut
 interruption. And no kernel Ooops or no problems.
 Seemingly no problems...
 Can anyone confirm these subjective enhancements ? I mean my PPP connection
 might just be better by other means...
 
 Phil.

I've had it going (on and off) for the last day also, and I also have
the sense (not quantified or rigorously tested) that it has finally
stopped all the billions of stalls I'd been getting.  I use a reasonably
fast modem, i.e., a data-over-voice ISDN channel that talks through a
high-speed serial port at 56K.  It may be that my previous stall problems
were actually exaccerbated by using a higher-speed serial line (i.e.,
I must have been offering relatively more interrupts to the CPU than someone
with a slower modem).  

So I _really_ appreciate finding out about this utility.  THANKS!

Susan Kleinmann



Re: using procmail with emacs RMAIL

1996-08-25 Thread Ed Donovan
Hi Steve,

I use Gnus  sometimes VM, so I can't tell you a thing about Rmail,
except that you should point at the separate spool file that procmail
will create.  How to do this so that it doesn't just chuck it back in
with the rest of your mail, I don't know, though it may be easy.

My procmail settings are mostly cribbed from the Mail Filtering FAQ,
which I found to be very useful.  Among other places:

http://www.smartpages.com/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/faq.html 

I just copied the setup it outlines, and use these lines to catch Debian
mail:

  :0:
  * ^TOdebian-user
  debian-user.spool

  :0:
  * ^TOdebian-changes
  debian-changes.spool

Procmail uses one of those stanzas for each filter.  The '.spool' suffix
is a Gnus default that I went along with.  Following the FAQ, I have
these in ~/.procmail/rc.maillists--in a more vanilla setup they'd be
in ~/.procmailrc.

Hth,

-- 

Ed Donovan  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Netiquette of requesting package updates

1996-08-25 Thread Buddha M Buck
 
 
 I was being purposely vague because I didn't want to single anyone
 out, but no, they're both popular text-only programs. One of
 them is behind by a minor version, the other by a major +  2 minors.
 
 No more clues.  :)

Of course, being purposefully vague only serves to annoy us...  Which
would you rather see as a maintainer, a note saying that some package
that you may or may not maintain is behind, but they won't specify
which package, or a note that tells you that your package is behind
the upstream release?

You should probably send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I
-think- that's the address), with the line Package: packagename as
the first line in the message.  That will send a message only to the
maintainer of the package in question, without the rest of us seeing
it.

Of course, if the newer upstream version of the package fixes
important bugs, you might want to file a bug report on those bugs,
mentioning tha the newer version fixes them.  Or you could look
through the bug report archives listed by package, and submit a
comment on an existing bug if the upstream version fixes it.  If there
is a reason why the maintainer hasn't updated it (such as the newer
upstream version is still in beta and isn't an official, public
release, as is the case with libc5, which has a 5.3.x beta series in
development), then he/she will likely tell you.

Just some ideas, and no need to be purposefully vague.



Re: using procmail with emacs RMAIL

1996-08-25 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Steve --

You asked:
Can someone point me to info for the quickest, easiest way to use procmail
with Emacs RMAIL to separate, say, the debian list into a separate folder?

Below I'm forwarding a big hint on this topic given by Dirk Eddelbuettel
to someone else a few weeks ago.  I found it quite helpful.

Regards,
Susan Kleinmann

--- Forwarded Message

Date: Sat, 3 Aug 96 13:18 EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Debian Users debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: mail-delivery-agents? 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi Lamar

I hope you don't mind that I put this back onto the list as other people
might wonder about this too.

  Lamar  Hi, Dirk.  I seem to be having some trouble getting posts to the
  Lamar debian-user list, so I'm mailing you directly.
  Lamar 
  Lamar You posted something about using procmail _and_ pop to sort your
  Lamar mail.  I was wondering how you invoke procmail?  I, too, use
  Lamar popclient to get my mail, and I'd _love_ to be able to have procmail
  Lamar (or slocal or something) filter it for me.

It is all in the procmail manpages --- but as those are quite detailed it
hard to find as first sight. Note also that Debian procmail package has, as
many other packages, a lot of documentation in /usr/doc/package and 
/usr/doc/example/package.

1. I start popclient as (indented by a TAB for readability)
popclient -s -3 -P ~/.file-with-password host.that.has.mail  
to get my mail to my local machine.

2. One needs a file ~/.forward of the following form
|IFS=' 'exec /usr/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #edd
where the end must  #user-id  as a fallback strategy. This passes the mail
to the procmail program.

3. A file ~/.procmailrc describes the sorting rules. There are lots of
examples in the manpage, and the /usr/doc/examples/procmail directory. But as
a concrete example, here are some pieces. If it looks all to strange, than
it's probably time to review a Unix book with something on regular
expressions. I just show some entries as it is mostly repetitive

-  ~/.procmailrc --
# edd 26.10.95  installed from adapted version from /usr/doc/examples/procmail

PATH=$HOME/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:.
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
# use `usual' default and not this one:  DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mail.in
LOGABSTRACT=all
LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/log/procmail

:0: # mail To or CC ctan-ann
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*ctan-ann@(shsu.edu|RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE)
in.ctan-announce

:0: # mail To or CC debian-announce
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-)[EMAIL PROTECTED](debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-announce

:0: # mail To or CC debian-bugs, debian-bugs-done
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-).*debian-bugs(-done)[EMAIL PROTECTED](debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-bugs

:0: # Another one for new bugs system
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-)[EMAIL PROTECTED]
in.debian-bugs

:0: # mail To or CC debian-changes
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-)[EMAIL PROTECTED](debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-changes

:0: # mail To or CC debian-devel
* (^To|^CC|^Resent-)[EMAIL PROTECTED](debian.org|pixar.com)
in.debian-devel

:0: # mirror logs
* ^To: edd
* ^Subject: mirror update$
in.mirror-update
- -

:0: always starts a new rule section. Line with * describes rules, if there
are several they are ANDed together. The last line shows the folder into
which a message is put. 


Hope this helps, Dirk

- --
Dirk Eddelbuttel http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd


--- End of Forwarded Message



Re: Netiquette of requesting package updates

1996-08-25 Thread Mr Stuart Lamble
Brian C. White wrote:
:  I spend close
:  to 50% of my Linux time using two programs, an editor and
:  a WWW browser, and in both cases the current Debian version
:  is several months out of date.

[...]

: I was being purposely vague because I didn't want to single anyone
: out, but no, they're both popular text-only programs. One of
: them is behind by a minor version, the other by a major +  2 minors.

If you're referring to vim in the latter case, I chose not to package
vim 4.2 (leaving the current version at 3.0) because it has the restriction
that, if it's put on a CD-ROM, you must send the author a copy of the CD.
I have contacted the author, and he has indicated that 4.3 will not have
this restriction; when it comes out, I'll package it up.

Just to let you know that I'm well aware of the situation. :-)

If I get enough hate mail, I'll package it up and stick it in non-free,
but I don't particularly want to do this.

Oh, and in case earlier versions didn't have this restriction - I only
recently took over maintaining vim. :-)

-- 
Windows is not the answer. Windows is the question. Linux is the answer.
http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/ for all your PC software requirements.



Re: Fix for your serial/PPP problems

1996-08-25 Thread Gerry Jensen
 I've been trying it for over 24 hours, and I must say I'm quite impressed.
 PPP  performance has really increased. It is streaming for long periods 
 without
 interruption. And no kernel Ooops or no problems.
 Seemingly no problems...
 Can anyone confirm these subjective enhancements ? I mean my PPP connection
 might just be better by other means...

To test if you're actually seeing improvement with irqtune, I'd try
transferring a large file between your machine and the machine you're
connected with (or a machine that's only a few links away) before
installing irqtune.  Note the transfer rate.  Do this a few times to get
an average as each time will vary a bit.  Then load irqtune and try
transferring the same file again several times and see if there's any
substantial improvement in the average transfer time. 

After I saw the original post about irqtune here, I decided to ask about
it on the kernel list.  Linus is looking into it now.  Apparently, irqtune
only helps with some (probably buggy) interrupt controllers.  Below is
Linus' reply along with a kernel patch that *may* possibly have the same
effect as irqtune on systems where irqtune does make a difference.  On my
system, I see no improvement whatsover with irqtune.  But, others have
seen substantial improvement.  Someone told me he saw some improvement but
at the cost of slowing down his SCSI drive.

Gerry

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From: Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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cc: Gerry Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 22 Aug 1996, Russell Berry wrote:
 
 I got this, installed it on both my machines (home/work), and can see a 
 marked 
 increase in ppp performance.  However, I'm concerned about interrupt 
 priorities, 
 does this effect _ONLY_ the timer interrupt priorities, or does it actually 
 tweak
 the way the kernel interprets all system interrupts???

I don't like the fact that irqtune helsp interrupt performance, because the
way Linux tries to handle interrupts it _shouldn't_ make a difference. The
fact that irqtune obviously _does_ make a difference would indicate that the
irq handling has some problem, and irqtune just masks that problem by
changing the interrupt priority levels. 

Essentially, Linux does a EOI immediately when it gets the interrupt, and
that EOI _should_ mean that all other interrupts will get through, regardless
of whether they have lower or higher priority (because the EOI tells the
interrupt controller that it can forget about the interrupt that we're now
handling).  As such there should be no effect from irqtune, because the
interrupt priorities shouldn't really matter. 

However, Linux uses the nonspecific EOI to do this, and while that should
work, it may turn out that some interrupt controllers don't like it, and for
some reason mask the wrong interrupt. People who see a difference with
irqtune, could you test this patch instead (it changes the low-level
interrupt handlers to use the specific EOI to tell the controller that that
specific interrupt is now handled). 

I'd be very interested in reactions to this patch indeed, can you please 
try it out and tell me whether this makes any difference?

(This is against 2.0.14, but it should patch in cleanly against just about
any reasonably recent kernel. Certainly all of the 2.0.x series)

Linus

--- v2.0.14/linux/include/asm-i386/irq.hSun Mar 10 09:28:56 1996
+++ linux/include/asm-i386/irq.hFri Aug 23 08:18:12 1996
@@ -81,7 +81,7 @@
  * a bit - without them it seems that the harddisk driver won't work on
  * all hardware. Arghh.
  */
-#define ACK_FIRST(mask) \
+#define ACK_FIRST(mask,nr) \
inb $0x21,%al\n\t \
jmp 1f\n \
1:\tjmp 1f\n \
@@ -90,10 +90,10 @@
outb %al,$0x21\n\t \
jmp 1f\n \
1:\tjmp 1f\n \
-   1:\tmovb $0x20,%al\n\t \
+   1:\tmovb $0x60+#nr,%al\n\t \
outb %al,$0x20\n\t
 
-#define ACK_SECOND(mask) \
+#define ACK_SECOND(mask,nr) \
inb $0xA1,%al\n\t \
jmp 1f\n \
1:\tjmp 1f\n \
@@ -102,11 +102,12 @@
outb %al,$0xA1\n\t \
jmp 1f\n \
1:\tjmp 1f\n \
-   1:\tmovb $0x20,%al\n\t \
+   1:\tmovb $0x60+#nr,%al\n\t \
 

Re: Netiquette of requesting package updates

1996-08-25 Thread Gerry Jensen
On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, David Sewell wrote:

 As a new Debian user who migrated from Slackware, one of the
 few things I find a comparative disadvantage is being dropped
 back to earlier releases of certain programs.

If you have not done so, you might want to check out the unstable
directory to see if there's a more current version of the program(s) you
need there.

Gerry



Re: Unsubscribing (Was: HELP!! NOW![13]!)

1996-08-25 Thread Barid Bel Medar
Doesn't anyone save that message they get when they subscribe?

Send a message to debian-user@lists.debian.org with the phrase 
unsubscribe debian-user in the body of the message.  (That should do it).

On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Stephen M Gordon wrote:

 i loged on for the first time in 2 weeks and i had 405 messages!!

Stop bitching.  I get about 100 messages a day - we must've been pretty 
quiet.  You should really have 1,400 messages in your mailbox (probably 
it filled up or you went over your quota).

 i would like to know:

Just say it once, politely, and don't have such a stupid subject.  Calm 
down on the exclamation points.  Most mailers allow you to create a 
filter which will automagically delete or move messages from a mailing 
list (for UNIX systems, try ... uhh ... some ..proc command (listproc?)).

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Re: man crashes

1996-08-25 Thread Christoph Lameter
On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

dwarfI've got the same version. I get:
dwarf
dwarf$ man -kr xx
dwarfxxgdb (1x)   - X window system interface to the gdb debugger.
dwarf
dwarfHowever, most of my man pages are in /usr/man not /usr/local/man. Try
dwarfrunning mandb on /usr/man and see if that helps. 
dwarfYou might also try checking the MD5SUM on the package file you installed
dwarffrom. If it does not check out, then you got a corrupt package file. Try
dwarfgetting a new copy and re-install, if this is the case.
dwarfJust an asside...is your shell bash?
Yes.

Here is the output from what you suggested:
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-source.1 is a dangling symlink
mandb: can't open /usr/man/man1/dpkg-parsechangelog.1: No such file or
directory
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-parsechangelog.1: bad symlink or ROFF
`.so' request
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-source.1 is a dangling symlink
mandb: can't open /usr/man/man1/dpkg-genchanges.1: No such file or
directory
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-genchanges.1: bad symlink or ROFF `.so'
request
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-source.1 is a dangling symlink
mandb: can't open /usr/man/man1/dpkg-buildpackage.1: No such file or
directory
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-buildpackage.1: bad symlink or ROFF
`.so' request
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-source.1 is a dangling symlink
mandb: can't open /usr/man/man1/dpkg-distaddfile.1: No such file or
directory
mandb: warning: /usr/man/man1/dpkg-distaddfile.1: bad symlink or ROFF
`.so' request
Checking for stray cats under /usr/man...
Checking for stray cats under /var/catman...
3 man subdirectories contained newer manual pages.
80 manual pages and 0 stray cats were added.
waterf:/home/clameter# man -kr xx
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
waterf:/home/clameter# 

Seems that the man package cannot cope with some screwups of the dpkg
updates.

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Re: man crashes

1996-08-25 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 24 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

 waterf:/usr/local# mandb /usr/local/man
 Processing manual pages under /usr/local/man...
 Checking for stray cats under /usr/local/man...
 Checking for stray cats under /var/catman/local...
 0 man subdirectories contained newer manual pages.
 0 manual pages and 0 stray cats were added.
 waterf:/usr/local# man -kr xx
 Segmentation fault (core dumped)
 waterf:/usr/local# dpkg -s man
 Package: man
 Status: install ok installed
 Priority: important
 Section: doc
 Maintainer: Alvar Bray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Version: 2.3.10-11

I've got the same version. I get:

$ man -kr xx
xxgdb (1x)   - X window system interface to the gdb debugger.

However, most of my man pages are in /usr/man not /usr/local/man. Try
running mandb on /usr/man and see if that helps. 
You might also try checking the MD5SUM on the package file you installed
from. If it does not check out, then you got a corrupt package file. Try
getting a new copy and re-install, if this is the case.
Just an asside...is your shell bash?

Luck,

Dwarf

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Squid 1.0.9 available at ftp.fuller.edu

1996-08-25 Thread Christoph Lameter
For all those who run the beta version of squid in unstable: There is
the release 1.0.9 available at ftp.fuller.edu/Linux/debian.

I tried to contact the author but no response meanwhile our Webcahce
was crashing every other day.

If you are in the same boat... 



Re: /etc/passwd migration between systems

1996-08-25 Thread Gilbert Ramirez Jr.
As Jim Worthington said:
 
 I do know that when I tried to copy my /etc/passwd file from a Sun
 system to Debian 1.1, the passwords would not decrypt correctly on
 login.  Since the passwd file that I'm trying to test is not native to
 Debian Linux, the native Debian crypt algorithm won't be much use in
 it's incompatible state.
 

I've sent this to Jim already, but I'm re-sending it to the list.

I can get Crack 4.1 to work to a point, but it either

1) seg-faults near the end, when I compile with -O

2) creates a garbage filename for the final output file, the filename 
is around 250 bytes (256??) of punctuation and control 
characters.
This is when I compile with -g

I ran #2 on a passwd file from a SunOS 4.1.3 machine, and it worked. Crack
was able to crack 4 of the users' passwords. So, the crypt() functions from
SunOS 4.1.3 and Linux 2.0.12 (er, libc 5.whatever) running on a 486
are compatible.

However Jim is seeing an anomaly on his machine. I'm also getting strange
behaviour from Crypt, and so is Randy Gobbel. I get segfaults or strange
filesystem behavior, and Randy's machine freezes, or also has strange
filesystem behavior.

Any more strange tales from the crypt() ? (sorry... my attempt at humor)

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DPKG Remapping table

1996-08-25 Thread Randall Shutt

 Does anyone know where the dpkg remapping table is?  I need to remap
pentium to i386 due to my recent installation of a pgcc compiler.  Trouble is,
somehow, dpkg --print-arrcheticture returns pentium.  Tends to hose lots of
install stuff and cause nice errors with dpkg -i.  Anyway, thanks alot.

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Re: man crashes

1996-08-25 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:

 Seems that the man package cannot cope with some screwups of the dpkg
 updates.
 
Sounds like you upgraded to an experimental version of dpkg. Which version
do you have? I'm running 1.3.6 with none of these problems.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: man crashes

1996-08-25 Thread Christoph Lameter
On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Dale Scheetz wrote:

dwarfOn Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:
dwarf
dwarf Seems that the man package cannot cope with some screwups of the dpkg
dwarf updates.
dwarf 
dwarfSounds like you upgraded to an experimental version of dpkg. Which version
dwarfdo you have? I'm running 1.3.6 with none of these problems.
1.3.9 as of today.

Any way to fix those problems?

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Does 3C589 work with new PCMCIA?

1996-08-25 Thread Carl Johnson
Is anybody running a 3C589 with the PCMCIA package in the unstable
area? I have been running mine fine with Debian 0.93, but when I try
setting up a test partition with Debian 1.1 it looks like the card
will not enable the interface. The log file shows no error messages,
and everything looks like it is working properly, but no messages get
through. I have converted all files to the same settings I use on my
0.93 system. I have set IF_PORT to 0, and the log messages show that the
10BaseT is being (correctly) selected.

I am running with an HP OmniBook 4000, and the card is a 10BaseT model.

Anybody have any suggestions on what else to look at?


Carl Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Cron error in debian 1.15

1996-08-25 Thread ReWt
Whats wrong with the cron script to produce this error?

Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily

cfengine:/etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf:23: parse error
cfengine::23: Warning: actionsequence is empty
cfengine::Execution terminated after parsing due to errors in program





1.1 Install problem

1996-08-25 Thread Kevin Murphy
Hello, all,

I thought I would give Debian a spin, so I downloaded the 1.1 (kernel
2.0.0) disk images and rawrite2.exe.  (I checked all my floppies for bad
blocks.)

I got to the point where the final base disk had just been read.  At this
juncture I got the lovely message:

hda: read_intr: status = 0x59 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error}
hda: read_intr: error = 0x40 {UncorrectableError}, LBAsect = 2247884,
 sector = 131084 
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:04, sector 131084 Kernel
panic: EXT2-fs panic (device 03:04): read_inode_bitmap: Cannot read inode
   bitmap_block_group = 8 inode_bitmap = 65542

Hmmm, I am trying this on my new (and amazingly cheap) 133MHz PCI 586
motherboard with 8M RAM and L1/L2 cache. My disk is a Maxtor 71626A IDE
with 1.6Gig (C/H/S 3158/16/63). I already had dos, etc installed on half
the disk in one primary and one extended partition. I created two new
primary partitions for Linux in the course of the installation process. (I
did NOT check them for bad blocks, as presumably this is unnecessary for
these modern disks.)

The motherboard is very new and has a fancy AMI BIOS.  It has a built-in
PCI IDE controller, and the BIOS setup allows you to tweak settings for the
IDE, like LBA mode, block mode, 32-bit mode, and PIO mode.  During the
installation, LBA mode was on, block mode was on at 8 sectors, 32-bit mode
was on, PIO mode was auto, which meant the machine was coming up with PIO
4.  I don't know if this has anything to do with it.

The installation also failed with all the fancy IDE stuff turned off 
(except LBA).

I noticed that when the kernel was spewing out its various hardware
identification messages, it acknowledged my IDE and noted that the controller 
was using LBA.  However, it displayed cylinder/head/sectors of 789/64/63,
not the real 3158/16/63.  

I tried booting with linux hd=3158,16,63 at the boot: prompt.  This
didn't seem to help.  The kernel startup messages generated seemed to be
identical, and subsequent attempts to access the disk failed in the same
way.  I also looked for CHS-mapping-related options in 
cfdisk, but there didn't seem to be any.

I will now try some more experiments on my own, but ...

Oh mighty gurus, please shower this unworthy mortal with advice!

Thanks, 
Kevin Murphy

P.S.  The only other blip I experienced during installation was the fact
that the debian install.txt file misstated the usage of rawrite2. 

P.P.S.  The only other annoying thing during installation was that sometimes
the spawned programs would generate messages which were immediately obscured
by the installation window's reappearance.  In some cases I could catch a
brief glimpse of words like 'error', but the installation program didn't seem
to find anything to get upset about.  It would be nice if there were an
obvious way of reviewing the actual output of these programs, if necessary.



Re: Fix for your serial/PPP problems

1996-08-25 Thread renald loignon
After I saw the original post about irqtune here, I decided to ask about
it on the kernel list.  Linus is looking into it now.

Funny thing is, the following message was posted in that very same kernel
list on August 7th, and even though I and a couple of others chimed in with
confirmation of the problem, at that time Linus did not appear to notice the
thread, or chose not to respond (we all have the same 24hours/day to work
with, after all, so I understand)

On August 7, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wallace Poon) wrote in
linux.dev.kernel:

I used Linux 1.2.13 and then up to 2.0.3 and found no problem in
using rz in Minicom for downloading. Once I upgraded to
2.0.9 and beyond, there is ALWAYS CRC errors when the IDE hardisk
read/write. There is also packet dropped in PPP session.

So could someone help me with this problem ?

The Quantum 1.7G IDE is connected to the on-board IDE controller.

Wallace

 Apparently, irqtune only helps with some (probably buggy) interrupt 
controllers.

I politely beg to differ, in that I think you are generalizing excessively
and prematurely.  In Wallace's case above,  the same hardware did not
exhibit the problem with a slightly earlier version of the kernel (2.0.3),
so there's some food for thought.

Furthermore, in the case of my own target machine (a modest 386-40 with 8MB
RAM), I can and *have* done problem-free high-speed (V34) downloads under
DOS, Windows95, OS/2 Warp Connect and older Linux kernels (e.g. 1.2.13 as
found in Slackware 3.0 and RedHat 3.3.3).  Now of course Wallace and I only
represent two data points, but shouldn't that be enough to caution you
against prematurely declaring all affected hardware to be buggy?

 Below is
Linus' reply along with a kernel patch that *may* possibly have the same
effect as irqtune on systems where irqtune does make a difference.  On my
system, I see no improvement whatsover with irqtune.  But, others have
seen substantial improvement.  Someone told me he saw some improvement but
at the cost of slowing down his SCSI drive.

Better to slow down disk I/O a bit than to suffer frequent overruns (and
their consequences such as block resends, PPP stalls, etc...) on incoming
serial traffic, no?  Anyway, it's all a matter of priority (which is exactly
what this irqtune gizmo is supposed to allow us to tune...).

I'm glad this is being discussed and tested by a lot of knowledgeable
people.  That's all I hoped to achieve by bringing this issue up in here.
Thank you for doing your share by managing to attract Linus' attention to it
on the kernel mailing list...



(no subject)

1996-08-25 Thread Toto Kuntjoro
unsubscribe debian-user



Re: Cron error in debian 1.15

1996-08-25 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi ReWt --

You asked:
 Whats wrong with the cron script to produce this error?
 
 Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily
 
 cfengine:/etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf:23: parse error
 cfengine::23: Warning: actionsequence is empty
 cfengine::Execution terminated after parsing due to errors in program

When you installed cfengine, the following message probably scrolled 
by on your screen (I'm just fetching the text from 
the /var/lib/dpkg/info/cfengine.postinst file):

This package will generate an error mail message every night regarding
the action sequence being empty until the /etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf
file is edited (by hand) to reflect the tasks you wish to perform on
this system.  This is not a bug.

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann





Re: lyx and fonts

1996-08-25 Thread Hakan Ardo
 Hakan Ardo writes:
   Sorry, there's only one: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/lyx.1.gz.
  
  Even taht one is missing...
 
 Hmm, I have it. :-)
 
 Try reinstalling the package.

OK, I suppose I update to the unstable version at the same time :-)

 
  Well, I am using mfbasfnt 1.0-3. Because 1.0-4 is in the unstable 
  distrobutinge,
  and I thought that with unstable you ment not yet usable. But I am getting 
  the
 
 No. :-)

Good to know, shoulden't this be stated somewhere so that everyone can find it, 
or is it
just Me that are missing it...

 
  feeling that the packages in there is perfectly OK to use. What is the 
  general
  feeling about them? Do you allow dselect to update your packages as soon as 
  a
  new version shows up in unstable, or how carefull do I have to be with them?
 
 I usually use dftp so I don't know. :-)

Now, what is dftp? And what advantages do it have over dselect?

 
 Normally they work very well. If not there'll be another release pretty
 soon.
 
  I can find no mfdcfnt package. I should be freely downloadable even if it is
  in the non-free distrobution, right?
 
 Right. But maybe it wasn't on the mirror yet.

Maby so, I try again later. How log is the usual update time for the mirrors?



Re: gs 3.53 and up

1996-08-25 Thread joost witteveen
 
 Ervin D. Walter writes (gs 3.53 and up):
 ...
  Now, the wierd parts.  First, these errors don't occur every time, and
  they don't occur in the same place every time.  Second, the exact save
  .ps file sent through gs 2.whatever or gs = 3.53 *compiled with
  optimizations turned off* works perfectly.
 ...
 
 A new GCC was released by the FSF recently.  One of the reasons they
 gave was that it could miscompile ghostscript.  ITYSBT.

Fortunately, your gs maintainer (me) is subscribed to the gcc2 mailing
list, and, to the best of my knowledge, the bug was avaided in
the gs-3.53 sources by redefining const.

I've even put a note about this in /usr/doc/gs/ somewhere (forget
what file).

Oh, and I've installed David's gcc-2.7.2.1 now, so all gs packages
released since last week or so are compiled OK.


As far as I'm aware, Ervin himself is now also satisfied that it's
his processor that was at fault, in this case (as I guessed).


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Re: xconsole error

1996-08-25 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Ken --

You wrote:
 I am having difficulty getting the xconsole to work running in
 fvwm (or any window manager).  I use a .xsession file in my home
 directory.  Here is that file:
 
 - begin .xsession file -
 #!/bin/bash
 
[snip]
 xconsole -exitOnFail -g 490x200-20-50 
 -- end .xsession file -
[snip]
 
 At first I did not have the exitOnFail in the xconsole line,
 and I would get an xconsole window that said
   Couldn't open console.
 With the exitOnFail, I just get no window at all.
 
Your /dev/xconsole should look like this:
prw-r--r--   1 root root0 Aug 25 06:37 /dev/xconsole|

If not, execute:
mknod -m 644 /dev/xconsole p

Be sure that the xconsole line is uncommented in /etc/syslog.conf:
auth.*;daemon.*;mail.*;news.crit;news.err;news.notice;*.=debug;*.=info;\
*.=notice;*.=warn;cron.none  |/dev/xconsole

I start xconsole with this:
xconsole -file /dev/xconsole

If you try bringing up xconsole and see nothing, then it's possible that
you've already been logging messages for a while and the pipe filled up, so
syslog quit sending messages to it.  To start over again, issue this 
command:
kill -SIGHUP `cat /var/run/syslog.pid`

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann



Re: Squid 1.0.9 available at ftp.fuller.edu

1996-08-25 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
For all those who run the beta version of squid in unstable: There is
the release 1.0.9 available at ftp.fuller.edu/Linux/debian.

I tried to contact the author but no response meanwhile our Webcahce
was crashing every other day.

If you are in the same boat... 

OK, then I guess it's time to upload my interim version to master.
I have packaged squid-1.0.9 and have it running on a couple of
machines. I'll upload it to master in a few minutes but in the mean
time you can get it from

ftp://ftp.cistron.nl/pub/people/miquels/alpha/

Mike.

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Re: /etc/passwd migration between systems

1996-08-25 Thread Steffen Mueller
On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Jim Worthington wrote:

Hi Jim,

 Does Linux use a different encryption algorithm than Sun?  (obviously it
 is different) Is there any Sun compatability login software for Linux
 that would allow me to use a common password database between the two
 systems?

When both machines are attached to the same LAN the use of NIS would help.
Works perfectly here with serveral different UNIX types like
BSD/Linux/Solaris/SunOs. The NIS Server runs on a SunOS Machine.

Greetings,

Steffen

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Re: /etc/passwd migration between systems

1996-08-25 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Jim Worthington  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've tried UFC CRYPT in addition to FCRYPT with equally un-successful
results.  The use of standard crypt makes sense as you suggest, however,
I believe that the crypt which is distributed with Debian 1.1 is broken,
or at least incompatable with the standard Unix crypt algorithm. 
Whether this is a bug or a security enhancement is unknown.

I can assure you that the crypt included in the Linux libc is compatible
with other Unix crypts. We are using NIS in our internal network, and
I've worked with Solaris NIS servers, SunOS NIS servers and Linux NIS
servers (now only using the Linux NIS server) with accounts/passwords
generated on all of them. Everything can talk with eachother.

Please don't spread around such misinformation about Linux and/or Debian.
It is bad publicity, and does hurt us all.

I don't know what problem you are seeing with Crack, but I compiled
it myself a couple of months ago with no trouble what so ever.

Mike.
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Re: /dev/console and headless computers

1996-08-25 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Joey Hess  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 /etc/init.d/console, /etc/rc.boot/0kbd . Look at /etc/config/console and
 /etc/config/kbd .

Hmm.. I seem to be lacking an /etc/config/ directory. I'm running
debian 1.1.6, what package have I neglected to install?

Uhm no that should be /etc/kbd/config, if you have it. For some reason the
kbd package creates its own directory for just one config file.

I think later kbd packages do not link /dev/console anymore because
that's not the job of the kbd package. If any script should do it it's
/etc/init.d/boot, and then only if my serial console patches get integrated
into the kernel (needs a rewrite first).

Mike.
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Re: inewsinn?

1996-08-25 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Larry 'Daffy' Daffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I seem to be having a problem with inewsinn.  I compiled nn locally
and set it up to use inews (from the inewsinn package) to post the
article.  However, when inews goes to send the article, it creates
large amounts of traffic over my serial link.  I would assume it's
trying to get the active or newsgroups file from my NNTP server.  Is
this normal, and if so, is there some way to configure or set up
things so that it won't try to do this?

Hmm, I don't know what its doing but you could try to strace it to
find out. Install strace from the devel/ tree, and when your inews
has started find out its process id with ps ax | grep inews and then
strace it with strace -fp process_id_here. You can then see exactly
what it is doing..

Mike.
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how in the world?........

1996-08-25 Thread Mike Candy List
can I delete unnecessary partitions?Ibegan to install debian on C drive
but decided to wait until I could install a discrete hard drive to 
dedicate to debian or other linux.This accomplished, I attempted to 
delete the partitions I created on C drive, but fdisk tells me I can't 
delete extended partition while logical drives exist but when I attempt 
to delete the logical drives I'm told that no logical drives are defined
both disks are relatively small so it is of substantial concern that I 
am able to reclaim this space. any suggestions?...Mike List



babel 3.6-4 trouble

1996-08-25 Thread Hakan Ardo
When trying to configure babel 3.6-4 it claims that manfnt.mf is missing in 
the Rebuilding 'amstex' format section and after the Appending font 
creation commands to missfont.log message it places utselfe in some sort of
loop which I stoped when /usr/lib/texmf/amslex.log had grown to about 720 Mb,
and started generating Filesystem is full errors.



procps 1.01a-1 problems

1996-08-25 Thread Hakan Ardo
Hi,
I tested to install procps 1.01a-1, but after that all I get out of ps is:

ps: can't load library 'libproc.so.1.01a'

The libriry I have is libproc.so.0.99, which package contains the new version,
and shouldn't the dependency infomation in procps have told me that?



a4.sty and a4wide.sty

1996-08-25 Thread Hakan Ardo
Hi,
I have latex 2e-7 installed, but I can't find  a4.sty a4wide.sty, in which 
package are they?



Re: Squid 1.0.9 available at ftp.fuller.edu

1996-08-25 Thread Christoph Lameter
?? Why double the work. This was an ad for the debianized version.

On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

miquelsIn article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
miquelsFor all those who run the beta version of squid in unstable: There is
miquelsthe release 1.0.9 available at ftp.fuller.edu/Linux/debian.
miquels
miquelsI tried to contact the author but no response meanwhile our Webcahce
miquelswas crashing every other day.
miquels
miquelsIf you are in the same boat... 
miquels
miquelsOK, then I guess it's time to upload my interim version to master.
miquelsI have packaged squid-1.0.9 and have it running on a couple of
miquelsmachines. I'll upload it to master in a few minutes but in the mean
miquelstime you can get it from
miquels
miquelsftp://ftp.cistron.nl/pub/people/miquels/alpha/
miquels
miquelsMike.
miquels
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Re: Netiquette of requesting package updates

1996-08-25 Thread Brian C. White
  I spend close
  to 50% of my Linux time using two programs, an editor and
  a WWW browser, and in both cases the current Debian version
  is several months out of date.
 
 Which editor and browser are you talking about?  Are you looking
 at the stable or the development directory tree?
 
 I maintain the netscape package and it is right up to date.
 
 I was being purposely vague because I didn't want to single anyone
 out, but no, they're both popular text-only programs. One of
 them is behind by a minor version, the other by a major +  2 minors.

I suggest you contact the maintainer and (politely, of course) ask if
he/she is planning a new release soon.

Also, offering to take over the packages because you use them quite
extensively might be an idea.  The first time you create a new package
it will probably take half a day to a day, but gets much easier with a
little practice.  I can now build new packages in about 30 minutes.  Some
of the more complex ones (like gnats) will take more time.  Maintaining
existing packages is usually quite easy, however.

I took over cfengine because we use it here quite extensively and the
previous maintainer was not.  Since you use those two packages a lot,
you will probably be a good and responsive maintainer.

Brian
   ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )

---
In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they're not.




Re: Cron error in debian 1.15

1996-08-25 Thread Brian C. White
 Whats wrong with the cron script to produce this error?
 
 Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily
 
 cfengine:/etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf:23: parse error
 cfengine::23: Warning: actionsequence is empty
 cfengine::Execution terminated after parsing due to errors in program

Nothing is wrong with it.  You have not configured cfengine.

When you installed cfengine you would have gotten the following
message:

- This package will generate an error mail message every night regarding
  the action sequence being empty until the /etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf
  file is edited (by hand) to reflect the tasks you wish to perform on
  this system.  This is not a bug.


Brian
   ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )

---
In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they're not.




Re: Unsubscribing (Was: HELP!! NOW![13]!)

1996-08-25 Thread Brian C. White
 Doesn't anyone save that message they get when they subscribe?
 
 Send a message to debian-user@lists.debian.org with the phrase
 unsubscribe debian-user in the body of the message.  (That should do it).

That should read [EMAIL PROTECTED].

Brian
   ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )

---
In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they're not.



/etc/passwd migration between systems

1996-08-25 Thread Wayne Schlitt
 As Jim Worthington said:
  
  I do know that when I tried to copy my /etc/passwd file from a Sun
  system to Debian 1.1, the passwords would not decrypt correctly on
  login.


Just another data point  I just copied my passwords from my SVR4
Dell Unix system to Linux, and they worked fine.  I didn't just copy
the /etc/passwd file because I wanted to preserve some of the default
logins that Debian gives, and I also had to snarf the passwords out of
/etc/shadow.

In the past, I have also copied passwords from HP-UX, Sun OS, and SGI
machines to my Dell machine, so I would say that all of these systems
must use the same format.


-wayne



Three Probs

1996-08-25 Thread Me
I have everything running but two things didn't work out. 
My root login, well I don't have one. When I boot from LILO I go
straight to linux without going into a login and password prompt. I am
the user root. I would like to have a root login and personal login just
to save my machine from its user mainly me.

Also I can't use my mouse pad (Linux is on my laptop) without linux
locking up. I have to suspend the computer then come back into it for
things to work again. Is there a way to tell Linux to ignore output from
the mouse pad.

One more thing how do I make sure I have the most recent version of
everything. Web base, ftp doc? I know about ftp.debain.com/buzz but do I
have to install things from /fixes too.

Thanks

Marcus Hightower



RE: how in the world?........

1996-08-25 Thread wb2oyc

On 13:32:56 Mike Candy List wrote:
can I delete unnecessary partitions?Ibegan to install debian on C drive
but decided to wait until I could install a discrete hard drive to 
dedicate to debian or other linux.This accomplished, I attempted to 
delete the partitions I created on C drive, but fdisk tells me I can't 
delete extended partition while logical drives exist but when I attempt 
to delete the logical drives I'm told that no logical drives are defined
both disks are relatively small so it is of substantial concern that I 
am able to reclaim this space. any suggestions?...Mike List

Mike,

Seen this one before too!  I think you probably created the partitions 
with Linux fdisk, and are attempting to delete them using DOS fdisk.
Doesn't work!  You'll have to remove them with Linux fdisk or format
the drive, I think.  You could try setting the partition type to a DOS
FAT (I think its type 6), but you'll even have to use Linux fdisk to do
that.  DOS will see the partition, and calls it NON-DOS, but it won't
let you manipulate the table entries for it at all.  If you can, set it do
a DOS type, and then you'll be able to delete it with DOS fdisk.

Paul



Re: a4.sty and a4wide.sty

1996-08-25 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Hakan --

You asked:
 I have latex 2e-7 installed, but I can't find  a4.sty a4wide.sty, in which 
 package are they?

I think the Latex-2e approach is not to use .sty files, but to use .cls
(class) files.  Support for a4 letter paper is built into the article.cls
file, for example, but the option a4paper.
So, to get output formatted for a4 paper, you would invoke the article style
this way:

\documentclass[titlepage, oneside, a4paper, 11pt]{article}
\usepackage{html}
\usepackage[dvips]{graphicx}

where the options titlepage, oneside, 11pt, etc., are all 
optional (!); I just put them there to illustrate that you can have more
than 1 option in the [].  I also added the statements regarding
usepackage as a further example of package-loading in latex-2e.

If you'd like to read more about this, you might want to get a copy
of the boot The LaTeX Companion, by Goosens, Mittelbach, and Samarin.

HTH,
Susan Kleinmann



Re: procps 1.01a-1 problems

1996-08-25 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Hakan --

You said:
 I tested to install procps 1.01a-1, but after that all I get out of ps is:
 
 ps: can't load library 'libproc.so.1.01a'
 
 The libriry I have is libproc.so.0.99, which package contains the new version
,
 and shouldn't the dependency infomation in procps have told me that?

I'm not quite sure what you mean by tested to install.  It looks like
you failed to install the version of procps which is in the unstable 
(a.k.a. rex) tree, but instead have installed on your system the version
of procps which comes in the stable (a.k.a. buzz-fixed) tree.

Exactly what happened when you tried to install 
/rex/binary/base/procps_1.01a-1.deb ?

And what do you see now when you execute
dpkg -l procps

Susan Kleinmann



Problems with X-windows Install

1996-08-25 Thread Walter A. Birriel-Calas
Has everyone been able to install x-windows with little pain?  I have 
been trying to install x-windows for the last 3 weeks.  Whenever I 
dselect xserver, etc, etc and select install it follows the entire setup 
procedure when it has completed all the steps it says that it's missing 
elf## package.  I have searched for a package that looks anything 
like this and I can't find it.

I would greatly appreciate any information regarding this error.

Walter A. Birriel
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: a4.sty and a4wide.sty

1996-08-25 Thread Hakan Ardo
 Hi Hakan --
 
 You asked:
  I have latex 2e-7 installed, but I can't find  a4.sty a4wide.sty, in which 
  package are they?
 
 I think the Latex-2e approach is not to use .sty files, but to use .cls
 (class) files.  Support for a4 letter paper is built into the article.cls
 file, for example, but the option a4paper.
 So, to get output formatted for a4 paper, you would invoke the article style
 this way:
 
 \documentclass[titlepage, oneside, a4paper, 11pt]{article}
 \usepackage{html}
 \usepackage[dvips]{graphicx}
 
 where the options titlepage, oneside, 11pt, etc., are all 
 optional (!); I just put them there to illustrate that you can have more
 than 1 option in the [].  I also added the statements regarding
 usepackage as a further example of package-loading in latex-2e.

OK, this works all fine, but the there is the trouble with my old latex files,
latex still supports the us of sty files, right? I have several documents
that uese that apportch, and I felt it easyer to install the stys, than 
convert all my files. 

Then there is the trouble with lyx. I have just started to try it out, and it 
seems like it uses the sty approch, but it might be a misconfiguration of it
to...




Re: procps 1.01a-1 problems

1996-08-25 Thread Hakan Ardo
 Hi Hakan --
 
 You said:
  I tested to install procps 1.01a-1, but after that all I get out of ps is:
  
  ps: can't load library 'libproc.so.1.01a'
  
  The libriry I have is libproc.so.0.99, which package contains the new 
  version
 ,
  and shouldn't the dependency infomation in procps have told me that?
 
 I'm not quite sure what you mean by tested to install.  It looks like
 you failed to install the version of procps which is in the unstable 
 (a.k.a. rex) tree, but instead have installed on your system the version
 of procps which comes in the stable (a.k.a. buzz-fixed) tree.
 
 Exactly what happened when you tried to install 
 /rex/binary/base/procps_1.01a-1.deb ?

Well, it seemed to work just fine. What I ment by tested to install was that
I afterwards reinstalled to older version form the stable distrobution, 
because it did not work.
 
 And what do you see now when you execute
 dpkg -l procps
 

hmm, when I now tried to reinstalle the unstable version to recreate the 
porblem, ps works just fine! Sorry to bather you, I must have made some
foolish mistake.



Re: Problems with X-windows Install

1996-08-25 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Walter --

You asked:
 Has everyone been able to install x-windows with little pain?  I have 
 been trying to install x-windows for the last 3 weeks.  Whenever I 
 dselect xserver, etc, etc and select install it follows the entire setup 
 procedure when it has completed all the steps it says that it's missing 
 elf## package.  I have searched for a package that looks anything 
 like this and I can't find it.
 

It sounds as if the missing package is elf-x11r6lib.  That library is one
of 3 libraries provided by the package xlib.  You can tell if you've got
xlib installed by issuing the command:
   dpkg -l xlib

You'll need several other packages to make X work also:
xbase
xserver-whatever_is_right_for_your_video_card, e.g., xserver-s3 for
   most Diamond cards
xfntbase
and possibly some other xfnt files (I just load all of them)

and one of the window managers:  either twm (this is provided by
xbase, so you needn'e load a new package), fvwm, fvwm2, 9wm, or gwm.
I use fvwm, but am meaning to migrate to fvwm2.  I think one of these
is the most popular in the Debian world.

If you need more help than this, just send me private email.  I'll be
happy to help.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann 



problem with the mailing list

1996-08-25 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Does anyone else get repeated messages from 
Manager, AlisaMail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

regarding  Undeliverable Mail?

As far as I can tell, the only person whose address comes close to 
lockheed.com who has written to the list is 
Mark Rahner [EMAIL PROTECTED].

I've gotten about half a dozen of these in the last 2 days, and it's
beginning to wear...

Susan Kleinmann



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