Re: performance cost of modules?

1996-10-15 Thread David Puryear
Hi Bruce,

You wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know the performance cost of modules?
> 
> They use a bit more locked-down RAM in the kernel than non-modular
> drivers, however not generally a significant amount. Execution speed
> should not be different. The thing you might be noticing is the delay
> for run-time loading a module (via "kerneld") when you open a
> particular device. If that is the case, put that module in /etc/modules
> so that it will be loaded at all times.

Thanks, kerneld was causing the slowdown. It was affecting everything. I
mean I was drawing with Gimp and noticed slowdown. When I was using gimp
there was no other programs running. I 
tried other programs and they also were some what slower. Note:
I used programs which does not use any of modules. I think part 
of the problem is I don't have fast system(486-66) so I notice 
things that effect speed more. Disabling kerneld and putting all 
the modules in /etc/modules fixed it for me. 

Thanks,
David

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Re: NFS locking

1996-10-15 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ricardo Kleemann  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does 2.0.x have NFS file locking working yet? Mainly for the purpose of 
>exporting /var/spool/mail...
>
>AFAIK file locking over NFS is still an issue in Linux... true?

Alas, yes. All Debian mail programs follow (or have to follow) the
convention that a user.lock file is used (dotlocking) instead of
fcntl/lockf, so that sharing a mailspool over NFS works. However all
programs except procmail use O_EXCL to create that file, which
does not work over NFS (bummer). The right way is to create a temp
file and link(2) that to the lockfile - that's guaranteed atomic,
even over NFS.

>On the same note, supposing that NFS locking works fine in FreeBSD, would 
>that be "erased" if exporting to a linux box? (Exporting from linux 
>wouldn't work since the NFS locking in linux doesn't work; but would 
>exporting *to* linux work?)

If you fix all MTAs and MUAs to use dotfile locking with link(2) there
wouldn't be a problem.. And no, neither client-side or server side of
lockd works in Linux (yet).

Mike.
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Re: SMC cards

1996-10-15 Thread Carlo U. Segre
On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:

> Which SMC PCI card is the one mostly used? (Is it the tulip model?) Which 
> model SMC, Etherpower, EtherEZ?
> 

The EtherPower is the PCI card, the EtherEZ is a 16-bit ISA card.  We use 
both with Linux and they work fine.  One note, however, the PCI 
EtherPower card will not (at least in all the machines I have tried) work 
as a loadable module.  If I compile it into the kernel it works fine, 
however.

Cheers,

Carlo


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Re: performance cost of modules?

1996-10-15 Thread Bruce Perens
> Does anyone know the performance cost of modules?

They use a bit more locked-down RAM in the kernel than non-modular
drivers, however not generally a significant amount. Execution speed
should not be different. The thing you might be noticing is the delay
for run-time loading a module (via "kerneld") when you open a
particular device. If that is the case, put that module in /etc/modules
so that it will be loaded at all times.

Thanks

Bruce

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popclient and diald (fwd)

1996-10-15 Thread Simon Martin
forwarded message:
> From smartin Tue Oct 15 14:38:30 1996
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> Subject: popclient and diald
> To: smartin (Simon Martin)
> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:38:30 -0300 (CDT)
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> 
> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>   id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 15 Oct 96 01:55 SAT
> Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by love.dial.xs4all.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) id 
> AAA01506; Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:08:03 +0200
> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:08:03 +0200
> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newsgroups: linux.debian.user
> Subject: Re: popclient and diald
> From: Vincent Zweije <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Simon Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Eric Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> X-UIDL: aed415b2c7788b08a3105dfec6a4130c
> 
> In response to mail from Vincent Zweije
> 
> 
> 
> Simon now says:
> 
> ||  I have a work around for now. Instead of using popclient in daemon mode I
> ||  have generated a script that forces diald to raise the link, waits for ppp
> ||  to be activated (/var/run/ppp0.pid is created) and then runs popclient. 
> This
> ||  is called periodically by cron
> 
> To me this sounds as if Simon has (a) a dynamically assigned IP address
> on dial-up, and (b) The POP server in /etc/hosts.
> 
> Hope this helps. Vincent.
> 
Vincent:

It did help. I did this and it now works correctly. Thank you very much. 

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Re: LaTeX problem

1996-10-15 Thread James W. Lynch

After a number of very pleasant folks indicated that my sample 
input produced correct results on their system, I re-installed all
of the TeX stuff and it has started working.  I don't recall seeing
any problems with the first install, but the second one did it.

Thanks to all who responded.  What a great bunch of people, this
Debian lot!!

Jim.


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Re: support for USRobitics modems under mgetty

1996-10-15 Thread Philip Hands
> What USRobotics modems need special support? We have been running Debian
> mgetty on two Linux boxes with both USR Courier and Sportster models
> for a very long time without any problems. 

The USRobotics flag in mgetty/policy.h activates a patch I wrote to get a 
Courier V.32+Fax (UK version) Modem to work.

It sorts out a couple of problems:  A bug in the implementation of FCC that 
causes the modem to use 14k4 as the minimum fax speed; and a different 
approach to the fax speed switch foolishness that some modems indulge in.

So if your USR fails to work with fax machines that doesn't support 14k4, or 
if you can only get faxing to work by running the modem at 19k2 at all times, 
then you probably have one of the modems in question.

As mentioned in the code, some (or maybe all) later models don't need it.

Cheers, Phil.


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Re: performance cost of modules?

1996-10-15 Thread Gerry Jensen
On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, David Puryear wrote:

>   Does anyone know the performance cost of modules? I just
> compiled kernel 2.0.22 without modules and one with modules. I
> noticed that kernel without modules run noticeably faster.

I've never heard of this problem before. What modules are you loading? You
may want to ask about this on the kernel developers list. It could be a
kernel bug. 

Gerry

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Re: dselect with a CD-ROM

1996-10-15 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Shane McLochlainn wrote:

> I'm trying to install Debian on a new PC via the CD-ROM.
> everything goes ok until i come to the point when installing from the
> (infomagic September) CD.
> When attempting to install from the CD-ROM it says "Insert the CD-ROM
> and enter block device
> name []:"

I just completed this procedure last night with a new IDE CDROM that replaced
my crappy and finally broken TEAC CD-55A (Please don't buy from them!).  Anyway,
it's set to slave and it's the only device on my 2nd IDE controller.  So, it
appears as /dev/hdd.  Until you set the symlink between /dev/cdrom and your
actual cdrom device location, you will need to use a similair designation.
Anyway, your IDE CDROM is probably /dev/{hdb, hdc, hdd}, assuming that /dev/hda
is a HD.  If you find out that your second IDE controller is not being 
recognized
(assuming you have one), then you can try adding a command line parameter to
force the detection.

> AFAIK it's /dev/cdrom ( a bog-standard ide/adapti that worked under
> slackware)It doesn't seem to recognise /dev/cdrom and i tried mounting
> /dev/hdaX where X is
> a partition number... It mounts them ok BUT it complains that they're
> the wrong
> FS (not suprising.. they're the HDD not the CD-ROM) I have previously
> loaded
> the cdrom module in the setup and it recognised it ok then.
> Maybe i'm doing something stupid. If so, enlighten me :)
> The Slackware junkies on #linux don't have any ideas they recommend
> 'down-grading' back to slackware.

Be still my heart :-).

Good Luck.  Syrus.


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Re: Glimpse search?

1996-10-15 Thread Brian C. White
> Is it common knowledge that the search engine isn't working on
> www.debian.org?

You can search the Debian site at:

  http://insite.verisim.com/search/Debian/simple

This does not include the archives, though.
 
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Re: 2 versions of some packages

1996-10-15 Thread Brian C. White
> > Well, I'm not sure that installing the most recent one is the right
> > answer.  Take ghostscript for example.  There's the GNU version in
> > .../text and the Aladdin version in .../non-free.  Now the GNU version
> > should always be <= the Aladdin version since GNU repackages the
> > Aladdin version after it's been out for a while.  People who want an
> > all free software machine may prefer the GNU version even if it's
> > older.
> 
> If they do want that, they just don't select the non-free one. Then the
> GNU version will get installed. Or even easier, if they want just free
> software, they don't select the non-free section and then they never even
> *see* the non-free ghostscript 4.01.

Right.  This is exactly what 'dftp' allows.  It brings up all packages
that it finds and allows the user to choose what to do.  If 'dftp'
brings up two instances of ghostscript, the user just selects one
and/or deselects the other.


> > I think that it might make more sense to just disallow two packages
> > with the same name in a given Debian package tree.  In this case I
> > think we should have a virtual ghostscript package provided by both
> > gs-aladdin and gs-gnu, or whatever.  Then no one gets confused about
> > what you mean.
> 
> Huh? By 'given package tree' you mean 'non-free' vs 'stable/unstable' vs
> 'contrib', don't you? Then there is no problem. because ghostscript 4.01
> is in non-free and ghostscript 3.something in in unstable.

I agree.  As long as dpkg will never install more than over version of
a given package (it would at one point), the current solution is fine.


> I still don't see a problem... Unless the problem is that dftp makes no
> distinction between the different sections (i.e. doesn't allow people to
> distinguish between non-free, unstable and contrib)... but that would be a
> problem with dftp, IMO.

It does make the distinction, though it may not be immediately obvious.
Because the full path to the package is listed, the first component of
that path is the distribution under which it was found (i.e. stable,
unstable, contrib, non-free).
 
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Re: Where is nanosleep?

1996-10-15 Thread Vatiainen Heikki
Hi,

I tried the following with two Linux systems:
> od -s /lib/libc.so.5.2.18 | grep nano

> od -s /lib/libc.so.5.3.12 | grep nano
0152072 __libc_nanosleep
0152113 __nanosleep
0152127 nanosleep
2475401 __libc_nanosleep
2505602 nanosleep
2512322 __nanosleep

So it looks like that at least libc 5.3.12 has it.

> I have a manual page for the nanosleep function in my Debian-1.1 system 
> and according to it the timespec structure should be declared in time.h. 
> It isn't... It is specified in linux/time.h. And when I tried to use that 
> function in my program I got: 'undefined reference to nanosleep'. It 
> seems there is no such function in libc.so.5.2.18. So what library should I 
> link to my program?

// Heikki


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SMC cards

1996-10-15 Thread Ricardo Kleemann
Hi guys,

Which SMC PCI card is the one mostly used? (Is it the tulip model?) Which 
model SMC, Etherpower, EtherEZ?

Thanks
ricardo

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LINUX will notfully boot

1996-10-15 Thread Stuart Adamson
System
P133, 32 MB EDO Ram, 430VX motherboard, 2MB S3 Trio V64+ (PCI)
video, 1.44MB floppy, Goldstart 8X CDROM, FUJITSU M1636TAU 1.8 hard drive
using LBA.
 
Problem
Some funny error messages appear very quickly on the console when
installing LINUX (something about removable drive - can't access), but
otherwise installs fine. However, can't find files when making a boot
floppy. Also, it thinks my 430VX motherboard is a 430FX, but this should
not mather. However, when boting from the hard drive, I get a number of
different error messages or it just stops loading.
 
After
 
   Partition check
hda: hda1 hda2 
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly
 
it stops. You can still type in text, but command do not work and no
prompt is shown.
 
Also, this is sometimes followed by
 
init:(LAZY) can't handle reloc type R_386_RELATIVE
 
followed by the system hanging.
 
Otherwise,
 
Partition check:
hda: unknown partition table
attempt to access beyond end of device
03:01: rw=0,wnat=2,limit=0
...
...
...
...
FAT bread failed
Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root from 03:01
 
I am using version 1.1-1 (build date Sunday, July 14, 18:49.25 PDT 1996)
 
It is _not_ a problem with my hardware, as I can install win 95 on the
same hard drive and that runs fine. I think it might be concerned with
the LBA address getting confussed somewhere. However, LINUX does appear
to release that I am using LBA and reports the correct
sector,head,cylnder size in the booting up text.
 
Never has it got as far as asked me for a password.
 
Help!
 
stuart.adamson&kbl.ox.ac.uk

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Digest problem?

1996-10-15 Thread Lamar Folsom
Hi.  I was wondering if anyone else has been receiving 2 copies of the digest 
each day?
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Re: dselect with a CD-ROM

1996-10-15 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Shane McLochlainn wrote:

> I'm trying to install Debian on a new PC via the CD-ROM.
> everything goes ok until i come to the point when installing from the
> (infomagic September) CD.
> When attempting to install from the CD-ROM it says "Insert the CD-ROM
> and enter block device
> name []:"
> AFAIK it's /dev/cdrom ( a bog-standard ide/adapti that worked under
> slackware)It doesn't seem to recognise /dev/cdrom and i tried mounting
> /dev/hdaX where X is
> a partition number... It mounts them ok BUT it complains that they're
> the wrong
> FS (not suprising.. they're the HDD not the CD-ROM) I have previously
> loaded
> the cdrom module in the setup and it recognised it ok then.
> Maybe i'm doing something stupid. If so, enlighten me :)
> The Slackware junkies on #linux don't have any ideas they recommend
> 'down-grading' back to slackware.
> 
Well, the most obvious thing is you are using the wrong device. There is a
hint in your posting that you are using an ide adapti CD. If this is the
case (and not scsi) you will need the support built into the kernel, so
you will probably need to use one of the special kernels (look at the
configN files to determine which one has the support you need). You will
also need iso9660 support (but I think it is standard). Then try:

mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdAN /cdrom

Where A = a,b,c, or d and N = 0, 1, 2 etc
If you have dual ide controlers and the cd drive is on the second
controler, memory says the cd is set slave, so it will show up as device d
instead of the expected device c. That is, device a and b are master and
slave on controler 0 while device c and d are master and slave on
controler 1.

Hope this helps. It's a little hard to tell just what you need without
some more details on your hardware configuration, but this should get you
started in the correct direction.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: Reading news with Emacs

1996-10-15 Thread Dominik Kubla

Johann Spies wrote:
> After a few weeks trying out Linux I decided to downloaded Emacs and sofar I 
> am impressed with Emacs.  
> 
> I have not succeeded in getting Emacs Gnus to read news, however.  I did put 
> export NNTPSERVER=news.ilink.nis.za in my .bashrc file but it did not have 
> any effect on gnus' behavior
> 
> I get the following error message: 
> Johann (My computer name) open error:''. Continue?

As written in the bash manual: .bashrc is only loaded by non-login shells,
put the following at the top of your .bash_profile to get it read in login
shells as well:

  test -r $HOME/.bashrc && source $HOME/.bashrc

That change was introduced in version 1.12 or 1.13.

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Re: Reading news with Emacs

1996-10-15 Thread Vatiainen Heikki
Hello,

As other people have already answered to the Gnus problem, I would like to 
give you some pointers to the Gnus-related documentation.

The Gnus home page is http://www.ifi.uio.no/~larsi/ding.html and the Gnus FAQ 
can be found from http://www.miranova.com/~steve/gnus-faq.html. The FAQ can 
also be reached from the main Gnus page.

// Heikki


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Re: od /dev/psaux

1996-10-15 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Robert Nicholson wrote:

> What does this do for people with a PS2 mouse?
> 
> I get psaux:No such device 
> 
> I can see the file there with major 10 minor 1
> 
> I'm trying to verify my mouse without X.
> 
The default Debian kernel is not built with ps2 mouse support. You will
need to build yourself a custom kernel with this support.

Luck,

Dwarf

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RE: netscape experience?

1996-10-15 Thread Casper BodenCummins
Robert Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hello, I run Netscape 3.0 on Solaris x86 2.5 over a DP 4.0 based PPP
>link and let me tell you it crawls on my 288k modem. So much so that I
>seriously suspect a problem either with dp 4.0 or solaris. Basically 
>NS 3.0 continually "stalls" whilst it's downloading. I don't know
>wether this is due to a bandwidth problem on my host or at my end but
>usually this is the only connection I've got open and it's nothing
>like win32 performance for this application. Perhaps it's a generic
>unix Netscape thing?

About a fortnight ago I saw a discussion on comp.unix.solaris about PPP
on Solaris. (Not sure if this was Intel- or Sparc-specific, or generic.
Wasn't paying much attention at the time.) Apparently, Sun plan to give
PPP a major overhaul in the next release. I believe this will be a 2.5.x
release, rather than 2.6.

I run Netscape 3.0 on Solaris 2.4, on a Sparc with a 28.8 modem. I don't
have stalling problems, but I can't say that PPP exactly flies along. Do
you know how to benchmark it?

Casper Boden-Cummins.

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dselect with a CD-ROM

1996-10-15 Thread Shane McLochlainn
I'm trying to install Debian on a new PC via the CD-ROM.
everything goes ok until i come to the point when installing from the
(infomagic September) CD.
When attempting to install from the CD-ROM it says "Insert the CD-ROM
and enter block device
name []:"
AFAIK it's /dev/cdrom ( a bog-standard ide/adapti that worked under
slackware)It doesn't seem to recognise /dev/cdrom and i tried mounting
/dev/hdaX where X is
a partition number... It mounts them ok BUT it complains that they're
the wrong
FS (not suprising.. they're the HDD not the CD-ROM) I have previously
loaded
the cdrom module in the setup and it recognised it ok then.
Maybe i'm doing something stupid. If so, enlighten me :)
The Slackware junkies on #linux don't have any ideas they recommend
'down-grading' back to slackware.

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Re: Debian UUCP question

1996-10-15 Thread Erik van der Meulen
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At 03:09 AM 10/15/96 GMT, George Bonser wrote:

>I installed the Debian UUCP package and can not seem to find where it
>put the configuration files. The binaries seem to be in place but if I
>look in /usr/local or /usr I find no conf/ directory and it I look in
>/etc/uucp all I find is a crontab.daily and another file but I can not
>seem to find the configs anywhere.
>

If you give 'dpkg -L uucp', you will receive a list with all files contained 
in the uucp package. This shows the /usr/doc/examples/uucp/taylor tree. Just 
edit and copy the files you need to /etc/uucp and you should be all set.

Good luck,

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Re: modems for Debian

1996-10-15 Thread Nelson Posse Lago


On Mon, 14 Oct 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I have noticed some of those 33.6kbps internal modems for pretty 
> cheap at the local electronics outlets, and I was wondering if anyone 
> knows if any of these will work with Debian.  The hardware 
> compatibility list seems to suggest that just about any modem will 
> work.  Anyone have any thoughts on this subject?

 Any *modem* should work. However, manufacturers are currently 
stretching the meaning of the word "modem". If it's a modem with hardware 
built-in compression, error-correction, etc., you are fine. If, however, 
it's a RPI modem or if it's something like the USR sportster "winmodem", 
which only works under Windows, no way. The problem is that these modems 
are crippled since they don't have everything they need in order to work, 
and so they use the computer's CPU to perform some basic tasks. This is 
only possible through a software driver specially designed for them. 
Since the technical data about that is not published, linux can't work 
with them.

 I think there are no RPI modems faster than 14400, but you never 
know... Check the box of the modem. If it says something like "designed 
for Windows" or "software-based error correction" or "windows driver 
included", you are out of luck. If, however, it says about "v42bis", 
error correction, etc with no mention to software drivers, you're 
probably ok (they may include windows software like QuickLink, but these 
are not drivers so no problem, you just throw the disks out the window).

See ya,
Nelson
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