dpkg-ftp won't upgrade CGI-modules
For 3 or 4 days, I've had CGI-modules marked for upgrade in dselect: *** Opt net CGI-modules 2.75-4 2.75-5 modules for perl5, for us And yet dpkg-ftp doesn't even try to upgrade it: Processing status file... Processing Package files... non-free... contrib... unstable... Constructing list of files to get... Approximate total space required: 0k Available space in debian: 88790k Nothing to get. Is this a bug in dpkg-ftp? Or is this a case problem? The file on the ftp site is named cgi-modules_2.75-5.deb. -- He. He. He. - - Herman Toothrot -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is `.deb' still better than `.rpm'?
I think there are definitely two threads that should be pulled out of here: 1) Hints and tips on using dselect 2) Improvements for dselect Personally I had few problems getting to grips with dselect, but as far as intuitive, user friendly interfaces are concerned its a pigs orphan. I know that Bill Gates isn't the most liked person on this list, but I definitely think that we can learn a few things from his trade. Menu based systems may not be a panacea, but they definitely make things easier. Seeing as I have developed menu based systems on VAX/VMS systems using VT100 screen control codes, it should be feasible to do the same on Linux using ncurses, or some such thing. The first thing that any new user sees when installing Debian Linux is dselect. I think we should make his first experience as pleasurable as possible. Even though I have not been using it for long, I think it is a great product, and a great concept, but let's make it pretty. A lot of good products have died through lack of beauty. Simon Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Old software engineers never die, they just fail to boot Any Trademarks used in this document are recognized as Registered Trademarks of their respective owners. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lilo problem after kernel upgrade to 2.0.25
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Bryn Paul Arnold Jones wrote: On 12 Nov 1996, Manoj Srivastava wrote: That's only with resent LILO's, version 19 and over (I think 19, could be earlyer, but 19 is definatly ok). If you try to use a LILO that dosn't have bzImage (and initrd) fetures added, you'll not get anywhere (tho I think you can still dd the bzImage to a floppy ). That was the problem - I'm using the stable release of Debian which has version 17 of LILO. I built the 2.0.25 using kernel-package (a Debian thing :-) so it must have made a bzImage. I updated to version 19 of LILO from the development version of Debian. Thanks Dermot -- Dermot BradleyEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communications Director Tel: +44 1232 572003 Genesis Project Ltd Fax: +44 1232 560553 Belfast Coleraine Desertmartin, N.I. WWW: http://www.gpl.net/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ldconfig warning : inconsistent soname??
Lawrence Chim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libhistory.so.2.0.1 has inconsistent soname (libreadline.so.2.0), skipping That's a bug in libreadline2. I'll upload a fixed one tomorrow. ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libtix.so.4.1b1 has inconsistent soname (libtix.so.4.1), skipping That's a bug in whatever package provides /usr/lib/libtix.so.4.1.b1. File a bug report. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape and libc5.4.7
Brian C. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm curious how much problems you had using just libc 5.4.7. I started netscape without the PRELOAD line and it worked fine. Practically any java code will crash it. Try http://www.gamelan.com/ I have since restarted it as you list above (well, using $* instead of $@), so I didn't use it straight for long. You should $@ as otherwise it will break if you give arguments with spaces in them. (It'll split them.) It's true that you don't need to patch it any more to use it with Debian, though it still runs a bit better with the patch. It finds the global mime.types mailcap, among other things. Oops, I forgot about that. I just symlinked them from /usr/local/lib to /etc. I never felt comfortable with editing the actual binary, and I don't mind if it puts its other files in /usr/local/lib. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Corrupt kernel-source package?
Lamar Folsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I downloaded kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb today and found that dselect/dpkg was unable to install it. I tried to extract the copy on the master site, and it's fine. Maybe your download got corrupted? md5sum is: fee75e4ed7841c6b4b18d1e13d97859b kernel-source-2.0.23_0.deb Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 bashing
Hi there, This message was definetelly not appropriate for [EMAIL PROTECTED] I even do not know if it is for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there still a debian-talk list? I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface. This is a true problem which last from the fact that X11 is seperated from the stadart toolkit Motif (which is payware) The STUPIDITY of the whole thing is frustrating. Yes this is also true. There is no orthogonal user interface. Text fields between applications do not work the same. One is not guranteed to be able to copy/paste text between fields. Some fields must have the mouse pointer within them during the editing process, some don't. This is due to different toolkits. There is no inter-application communication or awareness to speak of. This can be handled via sockets,fifos,ipc... [lot of stuff about deficiencies of X11 based desktops] !! There is a solution up and coming !! Have look at the kde project. You will find kde mirrors at the following locations: ftp://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/pub/kde/ -- primary site ftp://ftp.net.lut.ac.uk/kde/ ftp://ftp.nvg.unit.no/pub/linux/kde/ WWW info can be found at: http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/ettrich/kde.txt http://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/kde/index.html http://www.zws.com/kde/ http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~cooperb/kde/style.html There is a nice screenshot of an already working kde (kool desktop environment) http://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/kde/demos/kdescreenshot1.jpg.gz We already do have: kcalc a nifty kde calculator with hex, dec, oct, bin kclocka simple analog kde clock kfm the kde filemanager (also handles URLs and tar) kminesa kde minesweeper clone kpat a kde solitaer clone colia a kde draw program which shall replace xfig/tgif kMix a kde mixer for your soundcard kterm a kde replacement for xterm libkdea configuration class library kpopupa kde extension to Qt progress a kde extension to Qt kwm a kde windows manager acli a little command line interface Soon to come kLyX a kde version of the famous WYSIWYM LaTeX based textprocessor ktetris a kde version of tetris (we've been all waiting for :-)) Yours, -- martin BTW: Who wants to write a dpkg based installer for kde. // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is `.deb' still better than `.rpm'?
The way I read the dselect discussion my feelings are that most people are happy with what dselect does (even if they don't know it, cf. standard machine configs), but are perhaps not too enamoured of the programme's interface... Simon == Simon Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Simon and a great concept, but let's make it pretty. A lot of Simon good products have died through lack of beauty. ...however, while it's probably true that much _propriety_ software goes to the wall for being ugly, I wonder if this is necessarily the case with good free software? My feeling is that the percolation/propagation model for free software is far different to that of proprietry software. Here it's much more important _what_ the programme does then how it looks, because it tends to spread by word of mouth--users impressed with results--rather than glitzy ads. There is also the fact that there is much better support for getting over the unintuitiveness of such programmes (mailing lists such as this) and also I think it's in part due to the fact that the load balance between user and programme is much better, and more honest, than in proprietry models. Free software generally makes no claims to be intuitive (Point and click---at anything; don't worry! I'll read your mind (and if I can't, I'll try to change it...)), but rather to get a good job done (at which it generally succeeds). And what is intuitive anyway? It's only another type of learned behaviour, e.g. I always expect C-a to take me to the beginning of a command line and C-k to delete to the end; if it doesn't I'm not happy. Therefore I think the question is more of consistency than intuition with interfaces. So what are people's favorite programmes? How could they get dselect to work with that learned intuition? I use Emacs most of the time, so that would lead me to be more comfortable with a dselect that behaved like Emacs does (let's say `g' to scan for new packages from an existing packages.gz file, C-x C-f to open a new packages.gz file, `d' to deselect a package, etc.). Certainly pull down curses menus would be a good idea too (menus are generally intuitive because most people have used them). What do other people think? Is this a useful way to look at the problem? Thanks for your time, Graeme -- | Graeme A Stewart, pgp key ftp://ariel.igeofcu.unam.mx/pub/pgp/| | Please support free GNU: http://www.gnu.ai.mit.edu/ | | software for everyone. Debian/GNU Linux: http://www.debian.org/ | | Keep a good head, and always carry a lightbulb. Dylan | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg-ftp won't upgrade CGI-modules
For 3 or 4 days, I've had CGI-modules marked for upgrade in dselect: *** Opt net CGI-modules 2.75-4 2.75-5 modules for perl5, for us And yet dpkg-ftp doesn't even try to upgrade it: Is this a bug in dpkg-ftp? Or is this a case problem? The file on the ftp site is named cgi-modules_2.75-5.deb. That would be because there is no CGI-modules. There is only cgi-modules. You'll have to update this one by hand, it seems. I believe that CGI-modules was the last of the packages with uppercase letters so this should not be a problem after this. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdu31a
On 14 Nov 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend is trying to convert to Debian from Slakware. He's using buzz-fixed off an Info Magic cdrom, and can't get the installation boot disk to recognize his cdu31a. At the lilo prompt, he's type linux cdu31a=0x230,0 This lilo parameter worked fine under slakware. Any suggestions? This gave me the hardest time of installation too and i lost two days being without a reasonably working system trying to find this out and reinstalling numerous times until Bruce gave me the right advice: Try: modprobe cdu31a cdu31a_port=0x340 cdu31a_irq=5 If you use modconf (the module configuration menu) use the arguments cdu31a_port=0x340 cdu31a_irq=5 Adapt as needed. It's all stated in the kernel documentation included with the sources which are not present upon the stage of the base system installation. And the information *present* during installation time is somewhat misleading because the old scheme of passing parameters to LILO doesn't work with the new 2.0.xx kernels. This should be revised in the setup configuration. Or is it already for Debian-1.2 release? P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD-ROM IRQ Timeout
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Alec Clews (S) wrote: 'hdb irq timeout : status = 0x58 hdb ATAPI reset complete' It still seems to be able to install some/all? packages, but I don't know how reliable it is and it does take a long time. Has any one seen this before please? I have a Goldstar 8-speed CD-ROM drive giving me the same messages but i don't know how to handle/evaluate/change this. Any hints someone? Regards, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyone tried nm on libc5
Hi, I tried running nm on the libc5 and it said that no symbols found. Can anyone explain to me why? Regards. Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X is painful + GPLed solution
Actually-- I thought it was appropriate for the devel list since it may affect future development of debian at the user interface level. Regardless, my followup is to debian-user only. There is no inter-application communication or awareness to speak of. # This can be handelt via sockets,fifos But that is a completely inadequeate and unacceptable solution! With any kind of a standard, 'inter-application communication' yields an environment where you have small 'pools' of applications that are can communicate with each other-- but cannot communicate between the 'pools'! By inter-application communication, I mean: - cut/paste works across multiple data types between *any* applications - drag and drop is a standard part of the UI and works between *any* applications [again, across multiple data types] - applications can provide services to each other; ie-- a filter service could automatically convert between one image format and another transparently]. - and, of course, all of this functionality is either automatically included in your application simply by using the components that support it OR is very easy to integrate. BTW: by multiple data types, I mean each component can consume or produce a standard set of data types that include formatting information, typed data such as text, images, or sounds. # Have look at the kde project. I will-- and if it is as cool as you make it sound, I'll happily put together the debian packaging information... b.bum -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Anyone tried nm on libc5
Paul Chau writes: I tried running nm on the libc5 and it said that no symbols found. Can anyone explain to me why? You have to use -D to see the dynamic symbols. All of the regular symbols were stripped out. David -- David EngelOptical Data Systems, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1001 E. Arapaho Road (972) 234-6400 Richardson, TX 75081 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPP setup ...
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:53:14 PST Kevin Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: With Slackware or Red Hat there are some files that don't appear in my setup, has something been missed??? These files are rc.inet1 and rc.inet2 as well as rc.serial. Is my system different or am I looking for the wrong files? This has been superseded by a better scheme. Init scripts are held in /etc/init.d and /etc/rc.boot. At startup, scripts in /etc/rc.boot are ran in the order specified by their filename. Then, when entering a runlevel, all the scripts in /etc/rclevel.d starting with K are run in the order of their filename, then all scripts starting with S. There are no scripts in /etc/rclevel.d, but just links to /etc/init.d. When the link name starts with K, it is invoked with the --stop argument. When it starts with S, it is invoked with a --start argument So to add/change runlevel setups, one just has to add remove links from rclevel.d. This is a very bad explanation, but it gives you the overall scheme. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ldconfig warning : inconsistent soname??
On 14 Nov 1996 00:36:38 CST Guy Maor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Lawrence Chim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libhistory.so.2.0.1 has inconsistent soname (libreadline.so.2.0), skipping That's a bug in libreadline2. I'll upload a fixed one tomorrow. ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libtix.so.4.1b1 has inconsistent soname (libtix.so.4.1), skipping That's a bug in whatever package provides /usr/lib/libtix.so.4.1.b1. File a bug report. Hmmm, I have tix installed and ldconfig doesn't report such warnings. Which version of ld.so are you guys running ? Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ldconfig warning : inconsistent soname??
Philippe Troin wrote: On 14 Nov 1996 00:36:38 CST Guy Maor ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Lawrence Chim [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libhistory.so.2.0.1 has inconsistent soname (libreadline.so.2.0), skipping That's a bug in libreadline2. I'll upload a fixed one tomorrow. ldconfig: warning: /usr/lib/libtix.so.4.1b1 has inconsistent soname (libtix.so.4.1), skipping That's a bug in whatever package provides /usr/lib/libtix.so.4.1.b1. File a bug report. Hmmm, I have tix installed and ldconfig doesn't report such warnings. Which version of ld.so are you guys running ? ld.so 1.8.5 lawrence, -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Setting my souncd card
I am new to Debian and I would like to thank evryone for your previous responses when I had a problem with installing Debian. I now would like to use my sound card. auplay can use it but I cannot do something like cat somefile /dev/dsp. It always complain about being busy. The irq is at 10. I added a command something like append=sound=0x2220a1 to my /etc/lilo.conf file but it does not make a difference. I think the sound card is not detected on statrt-up. I read the howtos and they did not help me find the solution. When I run lilo -q it comes up with response Linux * I do not know what that means? Any help will be appreciated. -mdj // D.J. Mashao, [EMAIL PROTECTED], -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
svgalib
Back when I was running slackware I had a program that used svgalib to view graphics, it was zgv... I got it off of sunsite... and now that I run debian it doesn't want to work... and I grabed the source and tryed to recompile it... and it didn't compile... so I was wondering if there was a program off of a debian server some where that I could grab and have do the same thing... Fizz -- ) ( Que Sera, /|\ /|\ Beyond imagination Sera/ | \ \_|_/ / | \ Lies the truth! * / | \ (/\|/\) / | \ * |`.__o___\`|'/___o__.'| | '^` \|/ '^` | | Out of order there is Chaos,V See with your heart not with | | and out of chaos there is orderyour eyes for beauty| | lies everywhere | | [EMAIL PROTECTED],_. | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]/,-.\ http://www.netrax.net/~fizz | | .//___\\__. | |'(( \\_// `| * \\ `-' * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XFree86 3.2 Initial Reports
Bill Bumgarner writes: 1) XF86Setup doesn't provide for resolutions beyond 1280x1024 [though it does a nice job of ensuring that the server chooses the HIGHEST available resolution]. Resolutions beyond 1280x1024 are not yet a common case. I suspect that most people using higher resolutions will want to tailor them for their monitors anyway. You ought to be able to do this using xvidtune. If you can come up with a patch to make XF86Setup provide higher resolutions, unidiffs are gratefully accepted... 2) There is no option to automatically start the server using other than an 8 bit mode. While the configuration information is correctly created for 15, 16, 24, and 32 bpp modes, one must edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers by hand and add '-bpp 16' [or whatever]. I suppose I _could_ add a prompt for this in the postinst scripts. On the other hand, editing configuration files is not difficult. The default background used under XDM is disgusting-- it is pretty much gurantees to cause aliasing on any monitor at higher resolutions... whoever decided that that particularly multi-pixel carpet-like pattern should be the X standard should be shot. It makes a really good test pattern, though. When you're setting up your monitor it's ideal. A solid background for the login screen is probably desirable. As you mention in your other message, it could be achieved with a line in /etc/X11/config and a section in the Xsetup file. I'm quite reluctant to edit these files without good cause, though, because whenever I do it makes dpkg scream about conffiles to all the people who have customised them. If it isn't broken, don't fix it etc. We really ought to add a more pleasant default background color for user's and for the xdm window. As well, we should customize the login panel to provide a more pleasant and attractive debianized experience. One of the good things, in my opinion, about Debian is that it provides packages that are set up sensibly with 'normal' defaults. I don't want to start doing anything fancy just to look pretty; other distributions have tried this, and it occasionally causes confusion and problems. It's more a philisophical issue than a technical one, really - people should be able to configure their systems however they like, without having to undo all sorts of distribution-specific gunk first. Steve Early -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X is painful
[no-longer CCed to debian-devel because this isn't a developer issue really] Bill Bumgarner writes: I have to vent. I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface. Ah. The X Window System is not a user interface. It is a standard by which applications can drive displays and input devices. It provides mechanism, not policy. It is possible to build very nice user interfaces on top of X. The system used by secretaries where I work, for example, is built using X. All of the applications in this system, including the window manager, come from one vendor (Xerox in this case, I believe). Maybe I'm just spoiled by years of NEXTSTEP-- but, damnit, NEXTSTEP really is the most well-inntegrated user inrface *ever* built. Seriously. NextStep provides policy as well as mechanism. I agree, it is extremely nice. Creating a user interface under X that is as good as NextStep is just a matter of getting every X application author to agree to adhere to the same policy. I wish you luck. Steve Early -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting my souncd card
Your kernel must be compiled with support for your specific soundcard. You will probably need to know its specific hardware settings to do the compile successfully. Syrus. -- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Daniel J. Mashao wrote: I am new to Debian and I would like to thank evryone for your previous responses when I had a problem with installing Debian. I now would like to use my sound card. auplay can use it but I cannot do something like cat somefile /dev/dsp. It always complain about being busy. The irq is at 10. I added a command something like append=sound=0x2220a1 to my /etc/lilo.conf file but it does not make a difference. I think the sound card is not detected on statrt-up. I read the howtos and they did not help me find the solution. When I run lilo -q it comes up with response Linux * I do not know what that means? Any help will be appreciated. -mdj // D.J. Mashao, [EMAIL PROTECTED], -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 3.2 Initial Reports
Stephen Early [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of the good things, in my opinion, about Debian is that it provides packages that are set up sensibly with 'normal' defaults. I don't want to start doing anything fancy just to look pretty; other distributions have tried this, and it occasionally causes confusion and problems. It's more a philisophical issue than a technical one, really - people should be able to configure their systems however they like, without having to undo all sorts of distribution-specific gunk first. I can see the argument for not wanting everyone to have to deal with dpkg yelling about updated conf files, but that'll only happen once, people can say N which is the default, and I do think the grey is pretty ugly. There is something to be said for making the system look nice from the start when it doesn't cost too much. Though I don't really care about this stuff, fixing it would probably be good PR. -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zgv (was Re: svgalib)
Lord Of The CLUTZ's writes: - Back when I was running slackware I had a program that used svgalib - to view graphics, it was zgv... I got it off of sunsite... and now - that I run debian it doesn't want to work... and I grabed the - source and tryed to recompile it ... and it didn't compile... so I - was wondering if there was a program off of a debian server some - where that I could grab and have do the same thing... zgv is available as a Debian package (Or will be in the soon-to-arrive 1.2 release). It requires some rex packages, which is not an official release until the beginning of next month. So, you can be brave and upgrade when Bruce calls for beta testers, or wait til 1.2 is officially released, if it's not urgent, or you can mail me privately, and I can point you to the relatively small changes I had to make to the actual source to get it to work. -Larry -- Larry Daffner| Linux: Unleash the workstation in your PC! [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://web2.airmail.net/vizzie/ The universe is full of magical things, patiently waiting for our wits to grow sharper. --Eden Phillpots -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting my souncd card
Daniel J. Mashao writes: - - I am new to Debian and I would like to thank evryone for your previous - responses when I had a problem with installing Debian. I now would like - to use my sound card. auplay can use it but I cannot do something like cat - somefile /dev/dsp. It always complain about being busy. The irq is at - 10. Is auplay a NAS program? If your sound card were not recognized, it would say No such device or something like that. NAS takes over the sound system, so you can't use NAS and non-NAS sound programs at the same time. My guess would be that this is the case. -Larry -- Larry Daffner| Linux: Unleash the workstation in your PC! [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://web2.airmail.net/vizzie/ One macine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man. --Elbert Hubbard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Setting my souncd card
Daniel == Daniel J Mashao [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Daniel ...complain about being busy. You are probably running the au server (since auplay works). This daemon grabs the sound device and this is why you are getting busy errors when trying to use via other tools. Try stopping the au daemon by doing a /etc/init.d/nas stop Then you should be able to use the audio device with cat. ---+-- Christian Lynbech | Computer Science Department, University of Aarhus Office: R0.32 | Ny Munkegade, Building 540, DK-8000 Aarhus C Phone: +45 8942 3218 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.daimi.aau.dk/~lynbech ---+-- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael A. Petonic) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ncftp's get -R doesn't follow symlinks.
If you try to get a copy of the debian archive (say devel) with ncftp's get -R command, you'll mostly get a directory full of symlinks. Using get devel.tar does the same thing. Is there an easy way to get the actual files, following the links? Thanks -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dselect ftp method broken
From dselect, when I select 0. [A]ccess Choose the access method to use. and then ftpInstall using ftp. I get the following errors: syntax error at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/setup line 112, near print Execution of /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/setup aborted due to compilation errors. query/setup script returned error exit status 2. Press RETURN to continue. I'm tracking rex, contrib, and non-free from ftp.debian.org, and because of this problem I can't change that. ii dpkg1.4.0.3Package maintenance system for Debian Linux ii dpkg-ftp1.4.6 Ftp method for dselect. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matt Bartley N6YWI GPS: 33 49' N 117 51' W Clipper - Reach out and Tap Someone -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Probs with g++ and cout
Hello,
since updating to rex I've got some problems with C++.
When I compile this code:
--8---8-8---8--8---
#include iostream.h
int
main()
{
double z = 2.00;
cout z ^2 = z * z endl;
return 0;
}
--8---8-8---8--8---
with
g++ -o prob prob.cc
and then starting with ./prob I got the following output:
-3.09183e-3832 ^2 = -1.01729e-4265
Did I forget any library? Is there something I should include?
Packages: libc5: 5.4.7-6
libg++27: 2.7.1-3
gcc: 2.7.2.1-2
Thanks,
Jonas
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Re: Probs with g++ and cout
Hello,
since updating to rex I've got some problems with C++.
When I compile this code:
--8---8-8---8--8---
#include iostream.h
int
main()
{
double z = 2.00;
cout z ^2 = z * z endl;
return 0;
}
--8---8-8---8--8---
with
g++ -o prob prob.cc
and then starting with ./prob I got the following output:
-3.09183e-3832 ^2 = -1.01729e-4265
Did I forget any library? Is there something I should include?
Packages: libc5: 5.4.7-6
libg++27: 2.7.1-3
gcc: 2.7.2.1-2
Thanks,
Jonas
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Hi,
I get the exactly the same behaviour and results. I included a line using
printf to see what value the variable would contain and it does print 2 so
I assume that the problem would lie in cout.
Luis.
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Re: Probs with g++ and cout
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonas Rathert) writes: since updating to rex I've got some problems with C++. libg++27: 2.7.1-3 You need to update to libg++27 2.7.2.1, which right now is only in unstable, or bo. But I will move it to frozen, or rex right now, so it'll be in mirrors in another day or two. You can get it from bo in the meantime. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 bashing
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Rick Macdonald wrote: Martin Konold wrote: There is a nice screenshot of an already working kde (kool desktop environment) http://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/kde/demos/kdescreenshot1.jpg.gz This link doesn't seem to exist. What should it be? Sorry! This URL should work ftp://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/pub/kde/demos/kdescreenshot1.jpg.gz I just checked it myself with netscape. Yours, -- martin // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems with latest samba
Hello all: I'm having trouble with the latest samba from unstable (samba_1.9.16p9.deb). Since I installed it, I've been seeing messsages like these at the console: Nov 14 10:54:55 naoma nmbd[300]: connect from calera.uniandes.edu.co Nov 14 10:54:55 naoma inetd[212]: /usr/sbin/tcpd: exit status 0x1 Nov 14 10:54:56 naoma inetd[212]: netbios-ns/udp server failing (looping), service terminated The first two messages usually repeat many times (about 20) and then the whole thing ends up with the last 'server failing' message. The problem happens very often with connections comming from differet machines in my subnetwork. Any ideas of what may be happening? M. S. Martin A. Soto J. Profesor Departamento de Ingenieria de Sistemas y Computacion Universidad de los Andes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin A. Soto J. Profesor Departamento de Ingenieria de Sistemas y Computacion Universidad de los Andes [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AX25 packages
There appear to be two AX25-related packages in the current Debian distribution -- ax25-util and ax25-kernel-source. Whenever I try to install either of these, however, dselect claims that both depend on 'source', and that 'source' does not appear to be available. Now, I've installed the latest kernel source (2.0.25), and even made it into a package with make-kpkg. This doesn't make a scrap of difference. Sooo... - What source DOES it want? Barbeque? - Do I need these packages anyway? - If I don't need them, what DO I need for AX25 use? I might add that I'm new to Linux, but I do have experience with other Unix variants, and have run KA9Q NOS (actually GRINOS) for around 6 years before upgrading the machine and going to Linux. I've read the ham how-to, but it doesn't seem to be much help. .Ron (vk6zjm) Ron Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://curly.ece.curtin.edu.au/ron PGP Public Key Fingerprint 1C 39 39 73 B4 D1 FA DA 0B 26 D5 23 13 45 6D 3E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: svgalib
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Lord Of The CLUTZ's wrote: Back when I was running slackware I had a program that used svgalib to view graphics, it was zgv... I got it off of sunsite... and now that I run debian it doesn't want to work... and I grabed the source and tryed to recompile it... and it didn't compile... so I was wondering if there was a program off of a debian server some where that I could grab and have do the same thing... You will find zgv as a Debian package in the rex (frozen) tree of the archive in section graphics. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 877-0257 Flexible Software Fax: NONE Black Creek Critters e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automounter troubles
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stan Brown) writes: What I want is really very simple, I wan to be able to access all exported filesystems on all machines on the local network as /net/(machine_name) Any help would be greatly appreciated I can not verify your problems, it works for me (as it should since i used to be the maintainer until last evening). Your files are correct (and identical to mine) and should work, i suspect a misconfiguration of the network subsystem. Dominik Kubla -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The text above represents my personal opinion and does not represent the official position of my employer on the issue(s) discussed. Any official statement made on behalf of my employer by me is marked as such. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using users/passwords from freebsd
Hi, Anyone know of a tool/library that allows linux to use freebsd passwords? If I'm not mistaken, linux uses DES encryption and freebsd uses an MD5 encryption, right? Is there a way that linux can make use of the freebsd passwords or maybe the other way around? Thanks! Ricardo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD-ROM IRQ Timeout
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Paul Seelig wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Alec Clews (S) wrote: 'hdb irq timeout : status = 0x58 hdb ATAPI reset complete' [snip] I have a Goldstar 8-speed CD-ROM drive giving me the same messages but i don't know how to handle/evaluate/change this. Any hints someone? Try giving hdb=cdrom as an argument to the kernel. Maybe that will help. Christian -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pgp problems
Hi, I was just reinstalling my debian system. Anyway I had on the old system pgp version 2.6.2i and now I installed pgp version 2.63i. The problem is now that every time I try to decrypt a message/file or verify signature of a message/file I always get the error: Invalid ASCII armor header line: Version: 2.6.2i ASCII armor corrupted. Error: 'file' is not a ciphertext, signature, or key file. This happens for foles encrypted by me, by other people, encrypted on my maschine or other maschines. The strange thing is that other people can decrypt messages/files encrypted by me. So I think that there is a proplem with version 2.6.3i of pgp. Can somebody verify this. If this is the case, where can I find a debian package for pgp-2.6.2i, which worked flawlessly for me on the old debian setup? My current debian is version 1.1.14. The old one was begun at 1.1.0 and ended somewhere in 1.1.8 or 9. Thanks, K.D. -- * * Kári Davíðsson* * * Opiskelijankatu 4 F 330 * * * 33720 Tampere * Your advertisement here. * * Finland * Low prices. * * Tel: + 358-(9)50-5225153 * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PGP and MIME
Hi Lars, What should I put in my .mailcap to make pgp handle your application/pgp-signature as text. I use mailcrypt so I don't want rmime invoke anything for pgp stuffs. Thank you L.D. PS. I post it here because it seems that Lars' mail-fitler blocks anymail with unknown 'From' field. Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:25:40 +0200 From: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: pgp Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary===_Exmh_715852377P; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol=application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --==_Exmh_715852377P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] Lord Of The CLUTZ's: -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- Version: 2.6.3i owGNlM2LHFUQwHc1ytIgeMrFSzkKMxN6u53RUXfA7Lq6moU1WZldgzBk5k33m+63 To sign e-mail by hand, you should save the text into a file, say foo, and then run PGP with the -sta options: $ pgp -sta foo You need a pass phrase to unlock your RSA secret key. Key for user ID: Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024-bit key, key ID 4CBA92D1, created 1995/09/26 Enter pass phrase: Clear signature file: foo.asc $ Then insert foo.asc as the body of you mail. A better way is to use a mailer that understands PGP. I don't know how well elm can do that. I use exmh myself. exmh is excellent. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. --==_Exmh_715852377P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- Version: 2.6.3i iQCVAwUBMoizD4QRll5MupLRAQHktQQAm3bjQS7kkbeVnQQQ6cTwXTlEaYWacUYd 24LuYHE9pkeFGAiXwIgXhcHYITvuH6lZXeiyEbB2wa67mJJPckwLLT94Ye7ZlkIT m0KyLKXzIdonJ5ynvImOtpdf3CuhEBIGmkqpv78gM1GXLsPP3Ptibk61NDvN4ndD bPpQ1GNVaDE= =5TIL -END PGP MESSAGE- --==_Exmh_715852377P-- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Big IDE drive on old bios
I have been using linux for a couple of years, but I have always used machines with new bios and big drives, and I have never had any problem with lilo. I am in the process of building a debian machine for my office from surplus parts. I have a five year old Dell 486 that I is the base for the machine. I have an offer from my boss either to buy a ~500 meg ide drive, which would be less than the old bios restriction, or else to get his new, 1 gig ide drive, and he gets a new 2gig drive. I've looked at the HOWTO's and I am not sure. Will I be able to get lilo to boot off the 1gig drive when I make a root partition smaller than 1023 cylinders? Can I be pretty sure that I can at least boot the thing with a floppy? steve -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Big IDE drive on old bios
In your email to me, Stephen Fuqua, you wrote: I have been using linux for a couple of years, but I have always used machines with new bios and big drives, and I have never had any problem with lilo. I am in the process of building a debian machine for my office from surplus parts. I have a five year old Dell 486 that I is the base for the machine. I have an offer from my boss either to buy a ~500 meg ide drive, which would be less than the old bios restriction, or else to get his new, 1 gig ide drive, and he gets a new 2gig drive. I've looked at the HOWTO's and I am not sure. take the new 1 gig.. :) Will I be able to get lilo to boot off the 1gig drive when I make a root partition smaller than 1023 cylinders? Can I be Sure.. just put in the BIOS 1024 cyl, and the correct head and sector values. It'll boot right up and the kernel will probe the right values. Just make sure to make your root partition 1023 or less. pretty sure that I can at least boot the thing with a floppy? Floppy will work too, but follow the above, and it should work fine. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps A desk is a dangerous place from which to view the world. -- John le Carre' ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Deselect issues(was R: Is `.deb' still better than `.rpm'?)
Paul Christenson writes: On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Mark Carroll wrote: My only complaint is that it autoinstalls updated packages. There have been a number of times that I wanted to grab one new package via ftp install, and came up with 10 megs of updated packages. (Not bad at work, but can be annoying on a 28.8 connection.) Paul | This is OFFICIAL *WRITTEN* notification that I want to be *REMOVED* | | from *ALL* of your mailing lists. *EVERY* message sent from this | | account has had this request posted. ALL UNSOLICITED ADVERTISEMENTS | | SENT TO THIS ACCOUNT ARE IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL (U.S.) LAW.| Here, here...I second this. I know you can confirm what to get but maybe there should be single question to overide this default behavior or something. My $.02. Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://widget.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
setenv missing
Can someone kindly point me in the right direction to solve a niggling problem, When I do a `su' command bash comes up with an error message, bash: setenv : command not found I have a man page for setenv which refers to stdlib.h, this I have in, `/usr/include/bsd/stdlib.h' and `/usr/include/stdlib.h' but I cannot find setenv etc on my system, and when I am in in a child shell my path is unknown. The kernel is custom 2.0.6 and mostly modular. Thanks, Neil -- ~~~+ Neil Walker (+44 626 853306) Learning Debian Linux | ~~~+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Support for Page Scanners (ie. HP ScanJets)
This is important, so any help is greatly appreciated (I am to make a recommendation as to a complete system to handle Web pages, E-Mail and networks for a small university, and If I can get their ScanJet to work, I probably could sell them, They use Adobe Photoshop, and I think the GIMP could fill that need). Anyways, I need to know, I haven't actually dug into Linux yet. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Big IDE drive on old bios
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Stephen Fuqua wrote: Will I be able to get lilo to boot off the 1gig drive when I make a root partition smaller than 1023 cylinders? Can I be pretty sure that I can at least boot the thing with a floppy? YOu got the point already! Go for it. I do make a small root partition /dev/hda with less then 40MB. Switch of any maybe available BIOS translations etc. the kernel will handle the big drive happilly after booting. Yours, -- martin // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Probs with g++ and cout
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonas Rathert) writes:
since updating to rex I've got some problems with C++.
libg++27: 2.7.1-3
You need to update to libg++27 2.7.2.1, which right now is only in
unstable, or bo. But I will move it to frozen, or rex right now, so
it'll be in mirrors in another day or two. You can get it from bo in
the meantime.
Yes, that's right. libg++27_2.7.2.1-1 fixes _this_ -- but yesterday,
I ran into another problem:
#include iostream.h
#include strstream.h
void main(){
double d=2.71828;
char s[]=3.141593;
strstream str(s,sizeof(s));
strd;
coutin str it says:dendl;
}
This outputs e, not pi! (that's with the new libg++ and libc. with
the old libc-5.2.18 and old libg++, it's ok, but with libc-5.4.18
and libg++ new, it doesn't cout at all of cource).
I really would like to fix this, but I don't know how (I just
turned libg++ maintainer, that's why).
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Re: Big IDE drive on old bios
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Stephen Fuqua wrote: Will I be able to get lilo to boot off the 1gig drive when I make a root partition smaller than 1023 cylinders? Can I be Yes. pretty sure that I can at least boot the thing with a floppy? Yes. Unless there's some kind of crazy incompatibility (it's always possible...), create a 20Mb partition, setup the BIOS with the HD parameters except for the cylinders and it should boot from this partition. The floppy should definetely work. Get the bigger drive, it's probably faster too. Cya, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Big IDE drive on old bios
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Stephen Fuqua wrote: I am in the process of building a debian machine for my office from surplus parts. Will I be able to get lilo to boot off the 1gig drive when I make a root partition smaller than 1023 cylinders? Can I be pretty sure that I can at least boot the thing with a floppy? You will be able to boot from floppy. No problem. However, the way I recommend is NOT to use lilo, but loadlin. Create a small (a few meg) DOS partition as the first partition, and have the AUTOEXEC.BAT simply run loadlin. This works even if you have one of the really strange machines that lilo doesn't like. I had an Ambra that was that way. | This is OFFICIAL *WRITTEN* notification that I want to be *REMOVED* | | from *ALL* of your mailing lists. *EVERY* message sent from this | | account has had this request posted. ALL UNSOLICITED ADVERTISEMENTS | | SENT TO THIS ACCOUNT ARE IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL (U.S.) LAW.| -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 bashing
I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface. This is a true problem which last from the fact that X11 is seperated from the stadart toolkit Motif (which is payware) Well, you have to understand that, when MIT started developing X, the intention was to provide, in their words, Mechanism, not policy. Basically, this means that they wanted to provide a GUI environment without imposing any particular GUI conventions on it. It was completely open. It would be up to other entities (and market forces) to provide particular GUI styles (like Motif or OpenView) that would be popular. Unfortunately, until the advent of Motif and others, programming would be difficult for an X programmer because they can't really tell the system to draw a button, since, without a GUI convention in place, there's no solid definition of what a button *looks like*. I'm sure it's not quite that bad... but it's close. What's worse is, once Motif came out, it cost money... which, understandably, adversely affected it's aspirations of being ubiquitous (Man! I'm talking like Don King, now...). There is no inter-application communication or awareness to speak of. Yeah, you don't normally see this is software that's free. be it for X or Win95 -Joe -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Support for Page Scanners (ie. HP ScanJets)
GREENE == GREENE KENNETH ADAM [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GREENE This is important, so any help is greatly appreciated (I am GREENE to make a recommendation as to a complete system to handle Web GREENE pages, E-Mail and networks for a small university, and If I GREENE can get their ScanJet to work, I probably could sell them, The HP ScanJet is supported -- just install hpscanpbm, in the graphics section. The ScanJet needs to be connected to a SCSI card supported by Linux. I've had good results with the 4p using Adaptec 2940 and Buslogic 946C adapters. Be sure to get the latest version (0.3a-3) -- it includes the manpage I just wrote. If you have any problem, please let me know. GREENE They use Adobe Photoshop, and I think the GIMP could fill that GREENE need). Anyways, I need to know, I haven't actually dug into GREENE Linux yet. We create web pages for over 100 member libraries here using Linux, using imagemagick, xv, the gimp, perl, emacs, Apache, and of course Netscape Gold 3.01b1 for XWindows95. (Well, fvwm95 2.0.42a-6 anyway.) The system runs with nine 1280x1024 virtual screens, and is therefore far more productive, I think, than a similar Windows 95 system would be. But I still have to boot the Win 95 partition occasionally to do OCR (sigh) http://tln.lib.mi.us/ ~ mm mm Johnie Ingram, Network Technician mm mm Research Development, The Library Network m m m 33030 Van Born Road, Wayne, MI 48141 +1 313 326 8910 x144 mm mm GO BLUE PGP E4 70 6E 59 80 6A F5 78 63 32 BC FB 7A 08 53 4C I do not fear computers. I fear the lack of them. -- Isaac Asimov -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X is painful
I'll repost this again now that the lists are back up. :-) --- Bill Bumgarner wrote: I have to vent. Vent on, dude. I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface. The STUPIDITY of the whole thing is frustrating. For example: There is no inter-application communication or awareness to speak of. I think that'll change in a year or so. We're going to see an all-out battle for the hearts and minds of free-software maintainers. Some contending technologies: GNUstep, CORBA/ILU, Java Beans?, DCOM/OLE, OpenDoc? They're all coming on the scene soon, and they weren't available a few years ago. The solution that works the best, and inter-operates the best, and is free, will win out. The window manager has no awareness of what is running-- only what windows are on the screen. Because of this, various 'dock' programs are nothing more than a 'click the button to launch an app' system-- one cannot click on a button second time to simply activate the app in question. Try tkgoodstuff. It has a Windows 95 style toolbar. It's slow to load and pretty ugly, but it does the job. There's something similar in fvwm-95. The various 'toolkits' available for developping apps don't help the situation-- while they make it easier to develop X apps, they certainly don't make the apps any more impressive. There have been too many widget sets. I think the main problem has been that most widget sets (Motif for example) have had restrictive licenses. Also, many of them are tied too closely to a particular set of development tools. Now that there are many widget sets available in the public domain, and the technology to separate them from particular tools is available (ie. ILU), I think that we will start to see them mutate and combine together in some interesting combinations. And the best solution will eventually become dominant. Just give it some more time. I've got a list of 20 or so sets of widgets I'm interested in, but I haven't had enough time to try many of them. But a year from now, I'll probably have tried most of them. X completely lacks a decent mail reader [outside of Messages from the Andrew Consortium-- it is awesome... but oncee one decides to use it, it is hard, hard, hard to leave. as well, there is no source available, so porting is out of the question [though a port already exists for x86 linux]]. No, emacs/xemacs is not acceptable. I like exmh. It's a bit slow in places, but overall, it's pretty good. Maybe I'm just spoiled by years of NEXTSTEP-- but, damnit, NEXTSTEP really is the most well-inntegrated user inrface *ever* built. Seriously. I've never tried NEXTSTEP unfortunately. I'm itching to try GNUStep. Does anyone know what the status of it's development is, and when a likely ETA for a Debian package will be? Cheers, - Jim -- This message was distributed manually by [EMAIL PROTECTED] after the list initially failed to distribute it.
Re: X is painful
[box on] I have to vent. OK, I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface. I think you forgot to include open, free, expandable, flexible, . . . . The STUPIDITY of the whole thing is frustrating. Oh, really! You would rather have a Mac type world then? (Pay thru the nose, and get what you get from THE vendor) For example: Text fields between applications do not work the same. One is not guranteed to be able to copy/paste text between fields. Some fields must have the mouse pointer within them during the editing process, some don't. The kind of car you and I drive ARE going to be different (hopefully), cause we are allowed to do so. Just as the programmers are allowed to express themselves through the toolkits that they choose and/or write. With X, a user can control the App thru X resources, granted some of them are alittle brain-dead in this area, but this is not the fault of X. There is no inter-application communication or awareness to speak of. There are several. Again not the fault of X, they exist at a different layer. The window manager has no awareness of what is running-- only what windows are on the screen. Because of this, various 'dock' programs are nothing more than a 'click the button to launch an app' system-- one cannot click on a button second time to simply activate the app in question. Why should the WM be aware of what is running? It is a Window Manager, not a process manager and never was the developers intentions. The various 'toolkits' available for developping apps don't help the situation-- while they make it easier to develop X apps, they certainly don't make the apps any more impressive. Back to the Mac situation. If you don't like so many different toolkits, then try writing your own toolkit that does everything that you want it to do and then you can try marketing it and make giga-bucks. -OR- You could put your energy into giving to one of the toolkits to make it become the type that you desire, which many others have already done. X completely lacks a decent mail reader [outside of Messages from the Andrew Consortium-- it is awesome... but oncee one decides to use it, it is hard, hard, hard to leave. as well, there is no source available, so porting is out of the question [though a port already exists for x86 linux]]. No, emacs/xemacs is not acceptable. You should *really* research the history of X and the developers intentions. Maybe I'm just spoiled by years of NEXTSTEP-- but, damnit, NEXTSTEP really is the most well-inntegrated user inrface *ever* built. Seriously. OK, then I'm sad to say Where is it?. I too have seen a many good idea get washed away by (some say ignorant) wave of the masses. There are two clear choices; 1). sit with the masses and be happy with what is feed to you. 2). get in the trenches and give others a hand in what form you can. Venting off... [box off] .Bill, == Man's capacity to learn is not fixed in any ordinary sense. It is not fixed in terms of the responses it will produce; it is not fixed in terms of absolute level of knowledge it will achieve. - Engelmann == -- This message was distributed manually by [EMAIL PROTECTED] after the list initially failed to distribute it.
help?!
Hi there, I do get the following message from dpkg: /tmp/debiandpkg --install --auto-deconfigure libc5-dev_5.4.7-6.deb (Reading database ... 25826 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace libc5-dev 5.4.7-6 (using libc5-dev_5.4.7-6.deb) ... Unpacking replacement libc5-dev ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libc5-dev: libc5-dev depends on libc5 (= 5.4.7-6); however: Version of libc5 on system is 5.4.7-7. dpkg: error processing libc5-dev (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: libc5-dev I do think that dpkg should not complain about having a more recent version. Any help? Yours, -- martin // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- This message was distributed manually by [EMAIL PROTECTED] after the list initially failed to distribute it.
forward to debian-user
Subject: failure notice On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Bill Bumgarner wrote: This message was definetelly not appropriate for [EMAIL PROTECTED] I even do not know if it is for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there still a debian-talk list? I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface. This is a true problem which last from the fact that X11 is seperated from the stadart toolkit Motif (which is payware) The STUPIDITY of the whole thing is frustrating. Yes this is also true. There is now orthogonal user interface. Text fields between applications do not work the same. One is not guranteed to be able to copy/paste text between fields. Some fields must have the mouse pointer within them during the editing process, some don't. This is due to different toolkits. There is no inter-application communication or awareness to speak of. This can be handelt via sockets,fifos [lot of stuff about deficiencies of X11 based desktops] !! There is a solution up and coming !! Have look at the kde project. You will find kde mirrors at the following locations: ftp://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/pub/kde/ -- primary site ftp://ftp.net.lut.ac.uk/kde/ ftp://ftp.nvg.unit.no/pub/linux/kde/ WWW info can be found at: http://www-pu.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/users/ettrich/kde.txt http://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/kde/index.html http://www.zws.com/kde/ http://er4www.eng.ohio-state.edu/~cooperb/kde/style.html There is a nice screenshot of an already working kde (kool desktop environment) http://fiwi02.wiwi.uni-tuebingen.de/kde/demos/kdescreenshot1.jpg.gz We already do have: kcalc a nifty kde calculator with hex, dec, oct, bin kclocka simple analog kde clock kfm the kde filemanager (also handles URLs and tar) kminesa kde minesweeper clone kpat a kde solitaer clone colia a kde draw program which shall replace xfig/tgif kMix a kde mixer for your soundcard kterm a kde replacement for xterm libkdea configuration class library kpopupa kde extension to Qt progress a kde extension to Qt kwm a kde windows manager acli a little command line interface Soon to come kLyX a kde version of the famous WYSIWYM LaTeX based textprocessor ktetris a kde version of tetris (we've been all waiting for :-)) Yours, -- martin BTW: Who wants to write a dpkg based installer for kde. // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- This message was distributed manually by [EMAIL PROTECTED] after the list initially failed to distribute it.
dpkg problems
Hi there, how to resolve Processing status file... Odd number of elements in hash list at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/install line 75, STATUS chunk 8174. Processing Package files... rex... Odd number of elements in hash list at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/install line 124, PKGFILE chunk 14269. non-free... Odd number of elements in hash list at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/install line 124, PKGFILE chunk 1517. buzz-fixed... Odd number of elements in hash list at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/install line 124, PKGFILE chunk 8703. bo... Odd number of elements in hash list -- martin // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- This message was distributed manually by [EMAIL PROTECTED] after the list initially failed to distribute it.
Re: cdu31a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Package: disks-i386 Version: 1996-07-14 A friend is trying to convert to Debian from Slakware. He's using buzz-fixed off an Info Magic cdrom, and can't get the installation boot disk to recognize his cdu31a. At the lilo prompt, he's type linux cdu31a=0x230,0 This lilo parameter worked fine under slakware. Any suggestions? Thanks, -- Raul -- The easiest way is to install cdu31a as a module during setup. Use 'cdu31a_port=0x230' as the parameter. You should get a success message. If not ask for more help. Michael -- This message was distributed manually by [EMAIL PROTECTED] after the list initially failed to distribute it.
Re: Is `.deb' still better than
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Re: Is .deb still better than .rpm?
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Mark Carroll wrote: It is like emacs to the novice. (cryptic, non-standard interface, funny keyboard accel keys, no menues...) Hmmm - I got on well with dselect from the beginning, without reading any documentation about it, and I find it a convenient, useful tool. grin Am I in a minority of one, I wonder? I'd be very interested to learn what people's specific gripes are. 1) The damn keys. I have installed debian 4 times, and I still have to read the keystroke page very often. 2) The oh-so-long 600 packages list. But I really don't like the Redhat 3.0 installer. It's ugly. If we were to make an X version of dselect, it should look pretty. The installation procedure is *very* important, because a new Debian user should instantly get the feeling he's done the Right Thing :-) All The Best, Marco C:\NGRTLTNS.W95 -- This message was distributed manually by [EMAIL PROTECTED] after the list initially failed to distribute it.
Re: X11 bashing
I cannot believe that after HOW MANY years of development, X windows is still such a completely inconsistent and painful user interface. This is a true problem which last from the fact that X11 is seperated from the stadart toolkit Motif (which is payware) Well, you have to understand that, when MIT started developing X, the intention was to provide, in their words, Mechanism, not policy. Basically, this means that they wanted to provide a GUI environment without imposing any particular GUI conventions on it. It was completely open. It would be up to other entities (and market forces) to provide particular GUI styles (like Motif or OpenView) that would be popular. Unfortunately, until the advent of Motif and others, programming would be difficult for an X programmer because they can't really tell the system to draw a button, since, without a GUI convention in place, there's no solid definition of what a button *looks like*. I'm sure it's not quite that bad... but it's close. What's worse is, once Motif came out, it cost money... which, understandably, adversely affected it's aspirations of being ubiquitous (Man! I'm talking like Don King, now...). There is no inter-application communication or awareness to speak of. Yeah, you don't normally see this is software that's free. be it for X or Win95 -Joe -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Help installing debian Other packages
Hi all, I have installed the Debian linux system on my system but am now having problems installing other packages. I can download these packages from the internet from my windows '95 machine and then transfer them to the Linux system using a diskette. When I try to run dpkg on these files I get errors. For example, I have transferred the gzip-1_2_4-10.deb file to the Debian Linux system and now want to install it. I can issue the following command line: dpkg --install gzip-1_2_4-10.deb I then get the following error: dpkg-deb: 'gzip-1_2_4-10.deb' is not a debian format archive dpkg: error processing dpkg_1_2_11elf.deb (--install): subprocess dpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: gzip-1_2_4-10.deb I am pretty sure that it is a valid binary file because I have downloaded other binary files the same way and have had no problems with them. I have also tried installing a number of other debian packages and get the same error. Is there anything special that I need to do with these debian packages before I try to install them? What am I doing wrong? TIA, P.S. I am pretty new to this UNIX game (coming from wintel programming), so I would appreciate it if you could detail your explanations. --- Wayne Richardson Advanced Software Engineer 3M Health Information Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Life is not a spectator sport... --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PGP and MIME
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] linh (l.) dang: What should I put in my .mailcap to make pgp handle your application/pgp-signature as text. I use mailcrypt so I don't want rmime invoke anything for pgp stuffs. I don't know understand .mailcap (I've never needed it), so I hope someone else can help with this problem. PS. I post it here because it seems that Lars' mail-fitler blocks anymail with unknown 'From' field. That's true, but other people can also reach me by putting the password (on my web page; currently xyzzy) in the subject. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpHmUxebO8rC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: pgp
[ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] I've saved these notes on using PGP with mail, and will be adding a summary of them to a new version of the PGP packages (but it won't happen until 1.3). Thanks to everyone. -- Please read http://www.iki.fi/liw/mail-to-lasu.html before mailing me. Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. pgpHxRQUoZo1U.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Big IDE drive on old bios
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Stephen Fuqua wrote: [snip] Will I be able to get lilo to boot off the 1gig drive when I make a root partition smaller than 1023 cylinders? Can I be pretty sure that I can at least boot the thing with a floppy? I'm pretty sure you can do either and it will work. Even easier: make a small (10Megs, say) partition for /boot, making sure it is below the 1023 cylinder boundary. You then put your kernels there and lilo will be able to find them. Works like a charm for me. Christian -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AX25 packages
I am to blame for the shameful state of the ax25 packages. I would have had more time to work on them, but I let myself become the Debian Project Leader. I will spend some time on them after I build the 1.2 boot floppies. Hopefully that will happen this weekend. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: g77 failure
On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Martin Konold wrote: I have now installed: gcc_2.7.2.1-2.deb g77_0.5.18-2.deb gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `f771': No such file or directory As I understand it, f77 wants gcc 2.7.2 and not gcc 2.7.2.1 I don't know the correct solution, but I just made a couple of links. And failed to keep a record of what I did. I think it was this; cd /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux ln /2.7.2/f771 2.7.2.1/f771 and it looks like I did the same for libf2c.a and possibly the include subdirectory. Probably not the right way, but it works for me. I should have made soft links. Since I did hard links, I can't even tell whether I made the link from 2.7.2 to 2.7.2.1 or vice versa. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Shadow Password Suite
Has anyone debianized the shadow password suite? | This is OFFICIAL *WRITTEN* notification that I want to be *REMOVED* | | from *ALL* of your mailing lists. *EVERY* message sent from this | | account has had this request posted. ALL UNSOLICITED ADVERTISEMENTS | | SENT TO THIS ACCOUNT ARE IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL (U.S.) LAW.| -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xv requires libtiff3
Hi! I just upgraded to the most recent release of xv from the non-free section and it is giving me the dependency problem that it requires libtiff3. Yet, I can't find libtiff3. Am I looking in the wrong place or something? Richard.. - Richard Dansereau Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home page: http://pobox.com/~rdanse Electrical and Computer Engineering - University of Manitoba - Canada - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dselect ftp method broken
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Bartley) writes: From dselect, when I select 0. [A]ccess Choose the access method to use. and then ftpInstall using ftp. I get the following errors: syntax error at /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/setup line 112, near print Execution of /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/setup aborted due to compilation errors. query/setup script returned error exit status 2. Press RETURN to continue. I'm tracking rex, contrib, and non-free from ftp.debian.org, and because of this problem I can't change that. ii dpkg1.4.0.3Package maintenance system for Debian Linux ii dpkg-ftp1.4.6 Ftp method for dselect. Yes, this is serious and already in the bug system. I plan to release a 1.4.7 for this reason tonight. Andy. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
