X startup problems (solved!)
Hi A computer I was doing some upgrades on ceased working. I suddenly found that I can no longer run X as a user other than root. If I use xdm, I just get kicked back to the login screen. If I run startx, the X-server just shuts down with no diagnostic messages. Unfortunatly I can't even catch the error messages when using xdm cos they get sent to tty1 and immediatly disappear behind the login prompt :( When using startx there is nothing abnormal reported. I did manage to see this in ~/.xsession-errors : exclusive open for tmp_name failed in m4_defs: Permission denied The /usr is shared between 2 computers and works fine on one of them. Nevertheless I tried doing a chmod +s /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA and even a chmod +s /usr/X11R6/bin/xconsole to no avail. (both currently has permissions set to -rwxr-xr-x) Someone suggested that one could try: rm /dev/console; mknod /dev/console c 4 0 but this made no difference. The machine usually has /usr and /home nfs mounted. I tried using the local copies (straight debian) but this made no difference. That leads me to believe the problem is in another directory. I have rebooted several times, so it shouldn't be a /tmp/.X11 problem either. (it currently has permissions set to drwxrwxrwx) Any other ideas ? (it must be something to do with permissions cos root login gives no problems [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Regards, jay addendum: Just before I was about to post this message I came across the following in DejaNews: [the messages in the .xsession-errors] Ah. It's a problem with fvwm. Do you have strange permissions set on /tmp? /tmp should be owned by root.root, with mode 1777 (drwxrwxrwt). Yes thats the solution. The permissions were set wrong for /tmp Phew People have reported that this is caused by the base-1.1.0-13.deb but I have base-1.1.0-14.deb on 2 computers and only 1 of them caused these problems. Could it be due to an unclean shutdown? ps: CC any replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] since I'm not on the list -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)
On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Lars Wirzenius wrote: [ Please don't Cc: me when replying to my message on a mailing list. ] This discussion of the Qt copyright is beginning to sound like a flame war. Could we please end it and do something productive instead? I second the motion. Summary: - Debian has a policy about copyrights, and it's not likely change. Read it in chapter 2 of the Debian policy manual (included as /usr/doc/dpkg/programmer.html in package dpkg-dev, for example). - Qt's copyright does not allow us to put it, or anything that depends on it, in the main distribution. - Qt's copyright may be incompatible with the GPL, because of various requirements the GPL makes, even though Qt's owners are happy with the GPL. See Ian Jackson's analysis, posted to debian-user on November 18. We may need to ask a lawer or the FSF to decide this. - Everyone would like a nice GUI library for Debian, but Qt can't be it unless it's copyright is changed. - V is LGPL'd, seems to be good enough, and is therefore a better choice for programs that need to go into the main distribution. Juan Casero email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ _ / / (_)__ __ __ / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / . . . t h e c h o i c e o f a //_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ G N U g e n e r a t i o n . . . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is tput broken or the Linux termcap entry or what
Please observe the folowing demo. Script started on Sun Nov 24 19:22:50 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/stan $ export TERM=vt100 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/stan $ tput lines 24 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/stan $ export TERM=Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/stan $ tput lines Memory fault(coredump) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/stan $ Script done on Sun Nov 24 19:23:41 1996 Anybody have any idea what going on here? Debian 1.1 out of the box. Any sugestiosn as to what to look for to fix this? -- Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]404-996-6955 Factory Automation Systems Atlanta Ga. -- Look, look, see Windows 95. Buy, lemmings, buy! Pay no attention to that cliff ahead...Henry Spencer (c) 1996 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
StarOffice3.1 segfaults :-(
Hello everybody, I know this is not the right place to ask, but I'm sure, among the DEBIAN users there are some, which do use StarOffice's suite, like me. May somebody kind enlighten my, why do my scalc3, swrite3, smath3 etc. constantly segfault when run from the shell of a normal user? If I start them as a superuser, they work just fine. I started scalc3 within 'gdb' and unwinded the stack after the segfault. It happens inside the routine: (gdb) bt #0 0x40dc5f17 in XpListPageSizes () #1 0x408f1f88 in OWPrinter::SetOutDev () #2 0x408f230c in OWPrinter::InitPrinter () ... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x40dc5f17 in XpListPageSizes () I looked up XpListPageSizes() in the symbol information of the libxp3.so library (provided with StarOffice) but it didn't help me any further :-( As described in the install manual I initially source the .sd.sh shell-script (from the user I am currently logged in), then start the daemons svportmap and svdaemon and then try to fire up StarWriter e.g. Thankful for any hints. Regards, Stoyan -- Stoyan Kenderov/ phone: +49 721 9652 220 NTG Netzwerk und Telematic GmbH \/ fax: +49 721 9652 210 Vincenz-Priessnitz-Str. 3/\ LINK email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] D-76131 Karlsruhe, Germany /___ http://www.xlink.net/~kenderov/ [Opinions stated herein are my own, not necessarily my employer's] PGP: http://www.xlink.net/~kenderov/public.key.asc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
S.O.S
Hi! How are you ? i just hope fine, because i am not. i make a mistake, i write rm *, accidentaly ( finger mistake ). so i lost all the files in that subdirectory. And i don't know how to undelete them, how could i do that. My platform is linux. And nobody had written on the machine since i do that. Thanks, From Mexico, Julio Barreiro. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian lists shut down temporarily
The debian lists are being shut down temporarily due to too much spam. They should be back up in a few days. Bruce Perens Debian List Manager -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
test 4
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Mailing lists back up
The mailing lists are back up. A spam filter is in place. If you post from an address the list doesn't recognize, [EMAIL PROTECTED] will mail you a copy of the list rules, and will insist that you send it AGREE before it will let you post. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Managing a network of Debian machines?
On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Nelson Minar wrote: I've been a user of RedHat for the last year and a half. RedHat in general is a nice distribution, but the only reason I really use it is for RPM, the package manager. One thing that RPM cannot really help with is managing a whole network of workstations. Say I have ten Linux machines with a package manager I want all ten to stay synchronized, to have the same version of all packages. How do I do this? Something I've been thinking of doing is mounting an nfs filesystem which contains the packages to install on each client. This filesystem could be either common for all clients, for some clients or individual to each client. On each client there should be a script started with crontab that ran dpkg on all packages on that nfs mounted directory. All you have to do is to copy the packages you want installed to this directory on the master server. One problem is how to handle dependencies on each client. You must have the possibility to specify that some packages should be installed before others. And I do agree with you; managing a small network with debian machines is doable by mounting a cdrom from one machine to all the others and then run dpkg with rsh. But with a larger network this will become tedious. Cheers, Bengt-Ove Johansson! -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
WWW Proxy Authentication
I have set up a debian linux server at our local high school running an Apache WWW server with the proxy module. Caching works great but we also need proxy authentication. I am familiar with how to do this using Netscape Proxy but the functionality is not (yet) supported by Apache and is specifically excluded from the feature list for the next version (1.2)... Basically, rather than prevent student/staff access to web pages before the fact, we have set up an 'acceptable use policy' and plan to log their actual use (the users are fully made aware that this will happen). Then if someone complains we can look back at the facts. In this way, we hope to stifle the neo-luddites who would categorically deny web access to all students. This scheme requires identification of the user, as the machines (mostly macs) can be used by anybody. Netscape Proxy does this nicely but doesn't run on Linux... Anyone have a good idea? Thanks, Michael Laing P.S. This server is a big hit at the H.S. - students create web pages on their macs drop them in their personal appleshare folders (netatalk on the server) then Apache serves them out. I have also copied CDROM's into hard disk partitions and we have yet to find an upper limit on the number of macs that can use them simultaneously AND with much better performance than if mounted locally (10-20 users seems reasonable, maybe more). -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Managing a network of Debian machines?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nelson Minar) writes: One solution would be to automate the package updates This is pretty easy to do with dpkg. The two important commands are dpkg --get-selections [pattern ...] get list of selections to stdout dpkg --set-selections set package selections from stdin Presumably if you've got a room full of machines running Debian, you're willing to mirror ftp.debian.org. You install the packages you want on one machine, get the selections to a file, and set the other machines' selections with that file. Then you just do dpkg -iGROEB [1] on your mirror on each machine and they'll all get installed to match the master machine. One sticky point - configuration of packages - which you'll still have to do on each machine. Packages in the unstable snapshot are going to start using a neat tool called cfgtool. Among its capabilities is the ability to get and set configuration information in the same manner that dpkg can get and set selections. That'll be in Debian 1.3; a stable release of that is 3 - 4 months away. The other solution, one I sort of like, is to NFS mount as much as [...] but entails quite a big network cost. Quick calculation: 100 Mbit/sec ethernet, ~50% efficiency, about 5MByte/sec. You said only ten machines which leaves about 500KByte/sec bandwidth/machine. Bearable, but if the lab gets 2x or 3x bigger, it'll be unusable. [1] Equivalent to dpkg --install --refuse-downgrade --recursive --selected-only --skip-same-version --auto-deconfigure, which probably makes sense. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
upgrading from dpkg-1.0.5-0
I've got a system here with dpkg-1.0.5-0 on it, and I cannot isntall eighter dpkg_1.2.6 or dpkg_1.4.0.3, both failing with: # dpkg -i dpkg-1.2.6.deb (Reading database ... 6305 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace dpkg (using dpkg-1.2.6.deb) ... dpkg: unknown option --assert-support-predepends Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages; Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files. dpkg: error processing dpkg-1.2.6.deb (--install): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: dpkg-1.2.6.deb Does anyone know how to upgrade this? Thanks very much. System: # dpkg -l dpkg libc* ld*so Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Rev Description +++--=--=== ii dpkg 1.0.5 0Package maintenance system for Debian GNU/Linux rn libc(no description available) un libc.so.4 (no description available) in libc5 (no description available) ii ldso 1.8.5-1 The Linux dynamic linker, library and utilities (libc5-recent also fails, with simmilar erros as dpkg). -- joost witteveen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Use Debian/GNU Linux! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
missing dwww-build script?
I've been getting an error message from dwww-build (as run by cron.daily) for about the last week and a half. I've removed dwww and reinstalled it, and I still get the same error. Am I missing a script, or have I just got dwww configured improperly? Thanks, Lamar --- Forwarded Message Return-Path: root Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by merlin.csrv.uidaho.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id HAA01650 for root; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:32:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:32:17 -0800 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: root (Cron Daemon) To: root Subject: Cron [EMAIL PROTECTED] run-parts /etc/cron.daily X-Cron-Env: SHELL=/bin/sh X-Cron-Env: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin X-Cron-Env: HOME=/root X-Cron-Env: LOGNAME=root /usr/sbin/dwww-build: dwww-doc-index: command not found --- End of Forwarded Message -- Lamar Folsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~fols9488 Life is wasted on the living. - The Master -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading from dpkg-1.0.5-0
On Mon, 25 Nov 1996, joost witteveen wrote: Does anyone know how to upgrade this? Thanks very much. Sounds like the system is still a.out, so things may not be as simple as upgrading dpkg (you will also need to upgrade libraries and have an elf capable kernel in place). Your version of dpkg is one that was used earlier than 1.1 Debian. The transition went through dpkg-1.1.5aout which is probably not readily available. I have a copy on my machine: ftp://dwarf.polaris.net/debian/upgrade (hours 10am-2pm and 7pm-10pm EST weekdays) Once you have used 1.1.5aout to upgrade your libraries you should then be able to upgrade to the latest dpkg. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 877-0257 Flexible Software Fax: NONE Black Creek Critters e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Managing a network of Debian machines?
Problems: some packages need hand editing of some config files in /etc. This could be handled by cfengine, which can be run by the same cron job after dftp. Another problem is that I *think* dftp can only do ftp. This is a nuisance when your upgrade center doesn't have anonymous ftp. If this is really the case, I think we should ask the author of dftp to include support to use a directory instead of ftp only. 'cfengine' actually comes with it's own cron.daily script that also supports config files stored using RCS or CVS. Running 'dftp' from that same script will cause problems since it eventually calls 'dpkg' to do the work and that can require user input. 'dftp' will run off any mounted filesystem as well as over FTP. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: libc-5.4.13
Hold on there. When was Debian 1.2 released? Inquiring minds want to know.. With a little luck, it _will_ be released this Wednesday. It has been frozen since early November. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Give others some insight into YOUR pages! http://www.verisim.com/insite/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XIO: fatal IO error 0
(Hmm, the spam filter ate this the first time I posted, I assume it won't post it to the list after receiving the AGREE) There seems to be some sort of problem with Python 1.4's tkinter. I finally got my hands on Programming Python, and started trying out the examples: cyteen-19:32 ~/files$python Python 1.4 (Nov 4 1996) [GCC 2.7.2.1] Copyright 1991-1995 Stichting Mathematisch Centrum, Amsterdam from Tkinter import * widget = Label(None, text='Hello GUI world!') XIO: fatal IO error 0 (Unknown error) on X server :0.0 after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. cyteen-19:32 ~/files$ Not exactly informative. Relevant packages: python-base:1.4.0-1 python-tk: 1.4.0-1 xlib6: 3.2-0 libc5: 5.4.13-1 (also tried with 5.4.7-7) tcl75: 7.5p1-2 (also tried with 7.5p1-1) tk41: 4.1p1-2 (also tried with 4.1p1-1) ldso: 1.8.5-1 Anything I missed? -- Juri Pakaste/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian via ftp
I wan't to install debian now via etherlink. Which programs do I need for that ? [ dselect , dk??-ftp , ... ] And were are they ? You can also use the dftp package that is available under rex and bo. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xdm -- Second X Session
Can someone clue me in or point me in the right direction on have xdm start up a second X session on startup. I did manage to change no-start-xdm to start-xdm in /etc/X11/config, and that change now causes xdm to manage one session nicely. So far, I've only been able to manually get a second X session going for root (doesn't seem to work for a normal user :( ) by using the following command line: startx -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach64 :1 But other than this, I have had no success at running simultaneous X servers. Could someone who's trodden this path before pass down some wisdom from the ages? Thanks Paul -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: missing dwww-build script?
I've been getting an error message from dwww-build (as run by cron.daily) for about the last week and a half. I've removed dwww and reinstalled it, and I still get the same error. Am I missing a script, or have I just got dwww configured improperly? Thanks, Lamar The dwww package that is currently in development (dwww_1.2-1.deb) is broken. I just took over the package from Lars, and I'll fix it. But it will probably be about a week before I upload the fixed version. Cheers, - Jim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xdm -- Second X Session
[ Resent because I hada run-in with the new spam filter. ] Can someone clue me in or point me in the right direction on have xdm start up a second X session on startup. I did manage to change no-start-xdm to start-xdm in /etc/X11/config, and that change now causes xdm to manage one session nicely. So far, I've only been able to manually get a second X session going for root (doesn't seem to work for a normal user :( ) by using the following command line: startx -- /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_Mach64 :1 Edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers. Here's mine: :1 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X vt8 -bpp 16 :1.0 :0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X vt7 This starts up 2 xdms, one at 16bpp and the other at 256 colors. The vt7 and vt8 are important -- without them, the 2 xdm's fight with each other when they are starting up and do weird things to my video card. -- #!/usr/bin/perl -i\$q='$q',\$p='$p';eval\$q.\$\^I\n# # [EMAIL PROTECTED] $q='print$p$^I\n',$p='#!/usr/bin/perl -i';eval$q.$^I # Joey Hess He. He. He. - - Herman Toothrot -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will Caldera's WABI run on a Debian system?
Rick Macdonald writes: Does anybody know if Caldera's WABI will run on a Debian system? Caldera's web page kind of says maybe. In short, yes, it does run. I've run Wabi 2.2 on Debian 1.1. The only serious problem I've found is that the default permissions on /dev/fd0 don't allow access by regular users. Wabi requires the installation of MS Windows 3.1 and this is often done via floppy while running as a regular user. Just change permissions on /dev/fd0 to work around this problem. There is a document entitled Installing Wabi for Linux on Non-Caldera Platforms on the Wabi CDROM. An updated version with some Debian-specific information can be found at: http://www.caldera.com/wabi/ We included Wabi in .tgz format to facilitate it's installation on non-Caldera platforms. Officially, Wabi is only supported on Caldera platforms, but so far most people have reported success with installing Wabi on other Linux distributions. This subject has been discussed on the Caldera Wabi User's email list. You can join this list by running: echo subscribe caldera-wabi | mail -s [EMAIL PROTECTED] The two major incompatibilities that have been reported so far are with Metrolink's MetroX X server (version 3.1.2). Wabi causes their server to hang. They know about the problem and are working on it. The other problem reported is that Wabi will not run with the Motif window manager (mwm). I'm tempted to pay the $200 just so I can run Quicken without booting up DOS/Windows. The certified version of Quicken that runs on Wabi is version 4.0. I don't think 5.0 will run. Quicken 4.0 works fine. I haven't checked for awhile, but I assume that WINE is still a long ways away. I couldn't tolerate having my Quicken files corrupted! Wine has come a long ways in the last three years that I've been following it. But it has still has a long way to go to match the millions of dollars Sun has had to invest to get Wabi where it is now... Ron -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will Caldera's WABI run on a Debian system?
Bruce Perens writes: From: Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the by, for reasons that are mostly, but not entirely, technical, Caldera will no longer be basin their OS on RedHat linux. They purchased Linux FT ans will base their next release (Caldera Open Linux or COL) on that. The sales rep I spoke with was unsure as to what package format they would be using. Maybe Bruce and Ian should give them a call? Actually, our next release, Caldera OpenLinux (COL) 1.0 is based primarily on LST's distribution. Some Linux FT technology such as POSIX certification is being integrated into COL. COL currently uses RPM. Nevertheless, we have several Debian fans here at Caldera. If Debian 1.0 was out when we we're making distribution decisions, we might have used it. There's a lot of history and backwards compatibility issues now that keep us on our current Linux distribution course. I am in regular correspondence with LaserMoon. They are interested enough in Debian that they run a few Debian systems. That says nothing about their commercial plans, which they have not disclosed to me, and which of course I wouldn't publish without their permission. Who have you been talking to? Ian Nandhra? He works for Caldera. I think WINE is a technically superior approach to WABI, and I hope the availability of WABI doesn't impede WINE's progress. Why? Wine's approach is quite similar to Wabi's. Anyway, we too would like to see Wine move forward. When it can support the apps that Wabi supports, we won't have to pay Sun a royalty anymore... Until then, Linux users now have the option of purchasing Wabi for Linux. Back when Caldera was a project inside Novell, we were quite hopeful that we could use Wine instead of Wabi. I wrote the (now outdated) Docs/Resources.Z file included in the Wine source. In addition, our group at Novell paid an outside consulting firm lotsa bucks to accelerate the development of Wine. This firm didn't make a lot of progress and in any case, Novell dumped the work they did into the bit bucket. I believe we also bought Bob Amstadt a disk drive for his Wine development machine. Later, we convinced Ray Noorda to buy Willows Software. They've also made progress but still can't run all the apps Wabi can. Anyway, after three years I can look back and see the progress that the Wine group has made. I hope they keep up the good work. But Sun has spent millions of dollars over the last 6 years to get Wabi to its current level of functionality. I feel many people still don't realize the difficulty in cloning MS Windows. But I digress... Ron -- Ron Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera, Inc. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will Caldera's WABI run on a Debian system?
From: Ron Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Perens writes: Who have you been talking to? Ian Nandhra? He works for Caldera. Ian Phillips, if I remember correctly. I think WINE is a technically superior approach to WABI, and I hope the availability of WABI doesn't impede WINE's progress. Why? Wine's approach is quite similar to Wabi's. I'd heard that WABI was usually run with some MS components - in fact you installed Windows into it, although perhaps only to get some desktop stuff like the file browser. Am I mistaken? WINE comes with its own versions of the desktop tools. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mutt
Is anyone else playing with mutt? It seems to think my system name is memphisonline.com, not matter what I try to force the headers to... Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It takes more hot water to make cold water hot than cold water to make hot water cold. Jon Blummer ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IPFWADM and telnet
At 00:41 22-11-96 -0500, Adam Heath wrote: |I current connect to the Internet with PPPD, and all works well. I have |compiled my kernel (2.0.24) with IP_MASQ enabled, and have verified that |this works. Here is my question. | |Can it be setup, so that when someone telnets into the Linux box, instead |of the request being handled there, it is masqueraded to one of the private |computers on the LAN? I have a DOS-based BBS that I can setup to accept |incoming telnet, but it won't work through DOSEMU. | It's possible. Have a look around for the 'redir' package, which will do it for you. Not what I want. I have looked at 'redir'. I would like it to be implemented more at the kernel level. Currently, I can run this command: ipfwadm -I -P tcp -a accept -S 0/0 -D 127.0.0.1/32 23 -r 1000 That will take packet coming from anywhere, headed toward the local telnet port, and redirect it toward the local 1000 port. Why can't I also put in a destination system address? I currently setup 'redir' to listen on port 1000, and redirect it across the LAN(actually, across a simulated SLIP link between linux and DOSEMU), but it seems I should be able to do something like it with the kernel. If I need to talk to the kernel guys, then if someone could direct me to the proper mailing list, I will post my question there. Txs. Adam Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/Siliconvalley/Park/6562/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Debianists: On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Lars Wirzenius wrote: This discussion of the Qt copyright is beginning to sound like a flame war. Could we please end it and do something productive instead? Or, let's move it to debian-talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I've posted a comment there (and got it back, so the list is still operational), please check it out if you're still not burned out. - -- Sincerely yours, Max Hyre ** What's all this garbage at the bottom of my message? It's a security blanket for paranoids---ask me for details, or check out http://www.efh.org/pgp/ Key fingerprint = EFEC 0067 6803 852D B1DB 751E 6754 14EA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMpoQwfJa20+mce5pAQHCugP/b+DrraQ01qVJug56tLAnip9asfgCoLQY 0hO7vV0kFr1w25adzE1rW2Agbf8m/I9t5jBPMLynrAJattgKKtaOcFNkMipPJZ7p 4R0UxW9wD7x/MQPwuLjnXZSWj58IzzFwe5H+WyPknNq/mnphJUHnDtD9wirAQjjE kKo4j7Oq9tw= =4WQQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trouble installing debian from floppy
I've been trying to do so using floppies whose raw images I ftped. I think there is a problem with getting these images copied on the floppies...I'm using a Unix system to make these floppies..and I think it automatically MOUNTS the image onto the DOS floppy. When trying to boot from these floppies, the first one works fine..the Installation boot floppy. Next, when it asks for the installation root floppy, after I slip it in it gives the following error: crc error 5VFS: Insert root floppy and press ENTER. when I do so again, it gives the following long error: - [MS-DOS FS Rel 12, FAT 12, check=n, conv=b, uid=0, gid=0, umask=022] [me=0xc9, cs=580, #f=121, fs=10636, fl=56346, ds=12758, de=61312, data=16593, se=9149, ts=-860703613, ls=2973] Transaction block size=512 Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 02:00 Can anyone figure this out? I'm new to linux and am lost...would appreciate help! Thanks Mritunjay -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trouble installing debian from floppy
crc error 5VFS: Insert root floppy and press ENTER. CRC error means a physical bad block on the floppy. It's attempting to read the compressed root filesystem at this point. If that fails, nothing will work the next time it prompts for ENTER, as it then tries to read an uncompressed root filesystem, and there isn't one there. Use a new floppy (don't reformat the old one). Also, if you can find the right signal to send to kill the automounter on your workstation, you should probably do so. It does get in the way. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PHT's November 1996 Debian distribution---a few problems
Dear Debians: FWIW, here's a copy of mail I sent to Pacific HiTech. I upgraded by FTPing the a.out dpkg, and had enough spare disk space (recent drive upgrade :-), it'll probably disappear soon) to copy the CD .deb files into and repair the symlink problems by hand. I believe the release is 1.1.11. I used dselect to upgrade---a really nice job. Thanks to you all! Max Hyre --- Start of forwarded message --- Date: Mon, 25 Nov 96 17:27:02 EST From: Max Hyre mhyre To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A couple of problems with November 1996's Debian distribution -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dear Madam or Sir: I've just received the November 1997 issue of your Mo' Linux CD series. I bought it for the Debian 1.1 distribution it contains, but found a couple of problems, and an oversight: Problem 1: Two of the symbolic links are wrong: one is self-referencing, leading to an infinite link-loop, and the other is dangling, with the referenced file non-existent. These prevent the Debian installation program from running. Nothing to be done about it now, but could you run a check for such in the future? The Debian master site is updated frequently, and I presume that taking a snapshot can easily copy links in transition (to say nothing of the occasional just plain error :-)). (Sorry, I left my notes at home. If you need the exact filenames, mail me and I'll get back to you.) Problem 2: The upgrades/ directory is missing. This contains instructions and required software for upgrading a 0.x (such as my 0.93R6) installation to a 1.x (say, the 1.1.11 on your CD). Please include it in future Debian releases. Oversight: The contrib/ directory is missing. Note that it is freely-distributable files, they are just not actively maintained by the Debian organization. As a result, for instance, I couldn't install LyX, which depends on the xforms package, found among the contrib packages. Thanks for your kind attention to these items. Sincerely yours, Max Hyre ** What's all this garbage at the bottom of my message? It's a security blanket for paranoids---ask me for details, or check out http://www.efh.org/pgp/ Key fingerprint = EFEC 0067 6803 852D B1DB 751E 6754 14EA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMpoS/vJa20+mce5pAQE4zgP+P6vJ11AADxLUYTC9R/He9GJgyaEFSGS1 er7f1HPZZ6ALEs9dNOCfXEfhOe+Y4qyr4GLkY6R6+J7ne6MVwAOWfE6gqbronTVP HNZwHcZbXMiNs4e19Xy7hBG9xqsAEE/X/MLww0XV5tn+htza4T484Ydxq378pdaD H782tiB89tA= =T6yh -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- End of forwarded message --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Will Caldera's WABI run on a Debian system?
Bruce Perens writes: From: Ron Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bruce Perens writes: I think WINE is a technically superior approach to WABI, and I hope the availability of WABI doesn't impede WINE's progress. Why? Wine's approach is quite similar to Wabi's. I'd heard that WABI was usually run with some MS components - in fact you installed Windows into it, although perhaps only to get some desktop stuff like the file browser. Am I mistaken? WINE comes with its own versions of the desktop tools. Wabi 1.x was MS free if I remember. Quite a bit of work went into writing replacements for the program manager, file manager, etc. But here's the way Sun explains their current approach: Q: Why must Microsoft Windows be installed with Wabi 2.x? A: SunSoft requires users to install Microsoft Windows with Wabi 2.x to ensure that all of the certified applications will execute properly in the Wabi environment. Some of the applications certified to run under Wabi require the presence of certain Dynamically Linked Libraries (DLLs) that no longer ship with the applications themselves. Instead, such applications rely on DLLs provided by Microsoft Windows. To meet our customer requirements, SunSoft has chosen to invest its engineering resources in improving performance and creating new functionality for Wabi rather than replicating all of the DLLs in MS Windows. This decision has enabled the Wabi development team to concentrate on delivering a high quality product and will permit ongoing development to focus on new features and enhancements. Please note that although the applets (accessory programs) that ship with Microsoft Windows will run under Wabi, the presence of MS Windows does not otherwise affect the number of applications that are able to run under Wabi. The difficulty in cloning OLE 2.0 was one of the main reasons for now requiring MS Windows. Ron -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please do not use Qt (fwd)
On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Martin Konold wrote: No the point is that Qt will be used to make the Unix Desktop Environement. There is no goal so far to port the kde to none unix environments. Portability is not the issue, but nice lookfeel for the unix desktop users. Most kde people do not care about Winblows. You are missing the point entirely. Here it is: MANY people (including many of the debian development team) will just plain refuse to use, recommend, or support kde IF it is based on a non-freeware library like Qt. This is true in the debian community, the linux community, and also in the rest of the unix using community. This being the case, the only noticeable result of kde will be further fragmentation of the unix/X GUI standards. IMO, the goal of kde is well-meaning but severely flawed. For it to be THE killer GUI for X it has to: a) be truly free in the Debian or FSF or BSD or Artistic license sense of the word free. Qt automatically disqualifies kde from this. b) be *at least* as functional complete as Motif, Tk, Athena, and fvwm. c) support or be mostly compatible with existing standards, allowing for trivially easy ports from old libraries to kde. d) be fast e) be significantly better and easier to program in that any of the alternatives. f) not get in the way of (or make arbitrarily difficult) the ability to install, use, and develop for non-kde environments. I sure as hell am not going to install kde if it means I have to give up fvwm95 or any of my tk/motif/athena based apps. g) have an enormous library of available applications. In other words, it has to be a backwards-compatible upgrade rather than a revolutionary, new, and incompatible change. I suspect that this is close to impossible given the existing fragmentation and incompatibility between the various x gui libraries. If these points are not met by kde, then kde will go the way of all other attempts to unify X GUI programming under one glorious scheme: it will be just another one of the many available options. (this, btw, is both the beauty AND the bane of X - it's wonderfully customisable and configurable...the trouble is that you MUST customise configure it) in fact, even if kde DOES satisfy all of the above points it is extremely likely that that will be the case anyway. Just because something new and wonderful exists doesn't mean that you should throw away stuff that is old and wonderful or just old and useful. There is a lot of time and effort and programming hours invested in motif and athena (and other x library) based applications. The kde people may want to think of these as legacy applications but to the rest of the world, they are still very much alive and kicking. the existence of this legacy software is one of the things that makes unix and linux so attractive to so many people. free operating system, free applications...all you have to do is download them off the net and compile (or install a pre-compiled debian package). Windoze users have their expensive off-the-shelf applications library. We have our compile-it-yourself off-the-net applications library. (i know what i prefer :-) Craig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
TIP: ps -ax | grep (was Re: syslog daemon is dying)
On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Branden Robinson wrote: ./etc/init.d/sysklogd restart; ps -ax | grep syslogd; ps -ax | grep klogd quick tip (totally unrelated to the syslogd problem, but useful anyway): instead of the above line, use ./etc/init.d/sysklogd restart; ps -axc | grep syslogd\\\|klogd or ./etc/init.d/sysklogd restart; ps -axc | grep syslogd\|klogd e.g. $ ps -axc | grep syslogd\\\|klogd 266 ? S 1:07 syslogd 268 ? S 0:00 klogd it will run faster because it only has to run one instance each of ps and grep rather than two each. The -c option to 'ps' tells ps to display just the command and not the arguments, which eliminates the need for a clumsy grep -v grep pipe to get rid of the grep line in ps' output. Craig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
