Q: Rolodex-type app

1997-08-17 Thread Damir J. Naden
Greetings ;

I'm trying to find some decent x11-based app for names and addresses;
sort of like a Xrolodex idea. I know Debian is packaging addressbook,
is anyone using it? And does anyone have any other suggestions (based on
your own experience

Thanks,
DamirN


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Re: Blocking spam by IP number

1997-08-17 Thread Bruce Perens
Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 By the way, I return an error message rather than simply delaying the
 connection until it times out because under the Electronic Communications
 and Privacy Act it is unlawful to intercept electronic mail without an
 indication to the sender.

From: Carey Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 How would this apply to kernel firewalling (leaving aside that I live
 in NZ)?  Would reject be OK and deny not?

An immediate reject would be fine. The most important thing (to a U.S. user)
is to inform _all_ users that you do not guarantee reliable delivery of
e-mail and that you do not guarantee that nobody will read their e-mail.
You might even want to put this in your /etc/motd.
This will remove some of your liability under the ECPA. However, even once
you have done that, you can go to jail for intercepting the e-mail of one
of your users and preventing it from being delivered without informing the
other party. Most writers of anti-spam software are blissfully ignorant of
this. Thus, do not cause it to time out in the message queue. Return an
SMTP error immediately, so that the other party is informed of non-delivery.

Bruce
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Re: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)

1997-08-17 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Does bash 2.01 solve the problem?  We do update 'stable' - we're 
 currently debating that strategy on the debian-private (developers only)
 mailing list right now.  If bash 2.0 is sufficiently broken, then that might 
 merit putting 2.01 into 'stable'.

I'm going to have to set this straight, since Jim alluded to a discussion
on our private list.

The next version of the system will be called Debian 1.3.1 Revision 1.
People who make long-term products based on Debian requested that
we not change the version number of the system if we were only making a
few bug fixes. For example, X windows was rebuilt because Richard
Stallman requested that XDM display Debian GNU/Linux rather than just
Debian Linux. It's worthwhile to insert that change, but not
worthwhile to make everyone think they need to upgrade their systems
because of it. Thus, we will not bump the release number to 1.3.2 for minor
changes.

This has been a large problem for some kinds of retailers, such
as bookstores - they will not carry Debian unless we can promise them that
we will give them a life-cycle longer than one month on their product.

You will notice that both Red Hat and Slackware do not change their version
numbers for bug fixes _at_all_. We will be changing the revision number, but
not the release number.

Thanks

Bruce
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Re: Error meesage from bootup,

1997-08-17 Thread Philippe Troin

On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:20:05 MDT lc29b50 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

 This is part of the message I recevied from the bootup, although 
 everything seems to be working fine, is there a scsi module I should 
 install??
 
   md driver 0.35 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8
   Failed initialization of WD-7000 SCSI card!
   PPA: unable to initialise controller at 0x378, error 2
   scsi : 0 hosts.
   scsi : detected total.

This is normal.
The kernel distributed with debian is compiled with almost all drivers in.
Some of them are verbose when they cannot detect the hardware they're supposed 
to drive. These are the messages you're getting...

Phil.



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Re: sound module: /dev/audio: Device or resource busy

1997-08-17 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Aug 16, Phil Schniter wrote:
 
 hello,
 
  i am experiencing strange behavior when attempting to load sound 
  support as a module.  i have a debian 1.3.1 system and a SB AWE-64
  PNP card, which i have installed using the isapnptools.  the fact

I have a SB AWE-32 PNP (does someone know: how I get my bios to set up pnp
properly? I have a PNP Bios, I think, but I need isapnptools. Why? I didn't
changed anything in my bios setup.)

  that the pnp boards need to be configured before the sound drivers
  mandates that sound must be supported by a module, i.e. not included 
  directly in the kernel.  for this reason, /etc/init.d/boot makes sure 
  that pnp configuration is taken care of _before_ modules are loaded.

Yes.

  things seem to work fine when i do NOT include the sound line in
  my /etc/modules file, and instead do insmod sound manually after 
  rebooting.  however, when i include sound or auto in /etc/modules, 
  i get the message 
/dev/audio: Device or resource busy
  whenever i try to access /dev/audio (or likewise with /dev/dsp).

strange. I have sound in my modules, and it works just fine.
I compared my /dev/sndstat with yours, and they are nearly identical (i have
a wrong SB MPU-401 line, without an address specified and with irq 1. I have
to check this with the next kernel compile.)

BTW: How do you get this:
 Midi devices:
 0: Sound Blaster 16
I have it not.

However, one thing I saw: I use kernel 2.0.29, you 2.0.30. Could this be the
reason?

  i have confirmed that there is no conflict with IRQs, and the
  output of /dev/sndstat seems to indicate that everything is ok.
  (i have included it below.)
 
  does anybody know why the boot-time loading of the sound module
  is not working?

At the moment, I'm puzzled. If you have more info, please mail, I'm
interested.

 phil
 
 
 output of /dev/sndstat:
 --
 Sound Driver:3.5.4-960630 (Thu Aug 14 17:45:27 EDT 1997 root,
 Linux bigrig 2.0.30 #7 Thu Aug 14 15:55:19 EDT 1997 i586 unknown)
 Kernel: Linux bigrig 2.0.30 #7 Thu Aug 14 15:55:19 EDT 1997 i586
 Config options: 0
 
 Installed drivers: 
 Type 1: OPL-2/OPL-3 FM
 Type 2: Sound Blaster
 Type 7: SB MPU-401
 
 Card config: 
 Sound Blaster at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1,5
 SB MPU-401 at 0x330 irq 5 drq 0
 OPL-2/OPL-3 FM at 0x388 drq 0
 
 Audio devices:
 0: Sound Blaster 16 (4.16)
 
 Synth devices:
 0: Yamaha OPL-3
 1: AWE32 Driver v0.3.3e (DRAM 512k)
 
 Midi devices:
 0: Sound Blaster 16
 
 Timers:
 0: System clock
 
 Mixers:
 0: Sound Blaster
 1: AWE32 Equalizer
 
 

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Re: Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO (regular posting)

1997-08-17 Thread Brandon Mitchell
Scott, I had some problems.  Specifically:

[EMAIL PROTECTED](p1):bhmit1$ /bin/bash
/bin/bash: error in loading shared libraries
: undefined symbol: rl_get_string_value_hook

   o  libc6_2.0.4-1- check
   o  ldso_1.9.5-1 - check
   o  ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-3  - check
   o  libreadline2_2.1-2.1 - check
   o  libreadlineg2_2.1-2.1- check
   o  bash_2.01-0.1- failed in post install from above error

I also installed libdl1-dev_1.9.5-1.deb because of an ldconfig error:

ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libreadline.so (No such file or
directory), skipping
[ started after libreadline, fixed after libreadlineg ]

ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libhistory.so (No such file or
directory), skipping
[ same as above ]

ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libdl.so (No such file or
directory), skipping
[ started after ldso I think, probably an earlier problem with my system.
It was fixed by installing libdl1-dev ]

Note, I didn't purge the -dev libraries.  If I want to compile anything, I
can live with libc5 for now.  Everything seems to work after replacing
/bin/bash with a backup version I have.  The main goal of all this was to
get netscape 4 helper apps working (didn't want to use the ash route).

If you need anymore info, please ask.

Brandon

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Re: Administration question

1997-08-17 Thread Shaya Potter

If she has access to the system, just tell her to do a ctrl-all-del, and
then when the machine reboots turn it off during the memory check.

Shaya


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Re: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)

1997-08-17 Thread Jason Killen
I think numbering things this way is a great idea.  I would like to see 
Debian succeed(?) on and off, in the real world, the net.  The one
thing that I have always liked about Debian is the ability to be easy
but not so easy that I have to be an ape to setup it up.  I hope that 
with this move to the market place debian does not loose it's hack ability. 

As for Mr. Stallman and his problems with the exact name of Debian well
I'll just say that if he wants an os of his own why dosen't he make one,
yea I know about the HURD and such but hey when is the last time you picked
up a copy of HURD Journal.  

Well enough bitting of the hand that feeds.


The next version of the system will be called Debian 1.3.1 Revision 1.
People who make long-term products based on Debian requested that
we not change the version number of the system if we were only making a
few bug fixes. For example, X windows was rebuilt because Richard
Stallman requested that XDM display Debian GNU/Linux rather than just
Debian Linux. It's worthwhile to insert that change, but not
worthwhile to make everyone think they need to upgrade their systems
because of it. Thus, we will not bump the release number to 1.3.2 for minor
changes.

This has been a large problem for some kinds of retailers, such
as bookstores - they will not carry Debian unless we can promise them that
we will give them a life-cycle longer than one month on their product.

You will notice that both Red Hat and Slackware do not change their version
numbers for bug fixes _at_all_. We will be changing the revision number, but
not the release number.

   Thanks

   Bruce
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Re: restarting daemons

1997-08-17 Thread Gonzalo A. Diethelm
On Aug 15, 1997, at 21:25, George Bonser wrote:
  On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Gonzalo A. Diethelm wrote:
   Just to make things clear, kill doesn't stop anything; it's purpose in
   life is to send a given signal to a given process. When you do a
   
 killall -HUP inetd
   
   you are sending a SIGHUP signal to all processes whose name matches
   inetd. The inetd we all know, inetd(8), reacts to a SIGHUP by
   rereading its configuration file, /etc/inetd.conf.
  
  Hmmm, how come the PID changes?

Are you sure? I actually tried it here:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [~] $ ps | grep inetd
   54 psf 5 N   0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [~] $ kill -HUP 54
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [~] $ ps | grep inetd
   54 psf 5 N   0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
  857 s24 8 N   0:00 grep inetd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [~] $ kill -HUP 54
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [~] $ ps | grep inetd
   54 psf 5 N   0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [~] $

I have Slakware, but I don't think that should make any difference.

  George Bonser

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Re: Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO (regular posting)

1997-08-17 Thread Scott K. Ellis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Brandon Mitchell wrote:

 Scott, I had some problems.  Specifically:
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED](p1):bhmit1$ /bin/bash
   /bin/bash: error in loading shared libraries
   : undefined symbol: rl_get_string_value_hook
 
o  libc6_2.0.4-1  - check
o  ldso_1.9.5-1   - check
o  ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-3- check
o  libreadline2_2.1-2.1   - check
o  libreadlineg2_2.1-2.1  - check
o  bash_2.01-0.1  - failed in post install from above error
 
 I also installed libdl1-dev_1.9.5-1.deb because of an ldconfig error:

Okay, I'm pretty much stumped by this problem.  I can't manage to get it
to reproduce itself.  If possible, could you back out those packages to
the stable ones (where applicable, remove the others) and try again with
the new bash and libreadline packages that were recently uploaded
(bash_2.01-2 and libreadline*-4 I think) and see if you have the same
problem?  If the problem goes away, I'll modify the mini-howto to specify
the later versions of the packages.

[I'd also appreciate it if someone with better knowledge of the
appropriate packages could take a look at this, where is that symbol
hiding and what might have broken it?]

 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libreadline.so (No such file or
 directory), skipping
 [ started after libreadline, fixed after libreadlineg ]
 
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libhistory.so (No such file or
 directory), skipping
 [ same as above ]
 
 ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libdl.so (No such file or
 directory), skipping
 [ started after ldso I think, probably an earlier problem with my system.
 It was fixed by installing libdl1-dev ]

Those ldconfig warnings are usually a symptom of a package being out of
sync with its coresponding '-dev' package.  It can be safely ignored until
you upgrade the '-dev' package, just don't compile programs with those
libs until then.

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auto power-down via shutdown -h?

1997-08-17 Thread lc29b50
I used to run slackware 3.1 and similar to win95, everytime I do a : 
shutdown -h now, the computer shuts off (power off) automatically after 
system halted. I switched to debian a few days ago, and I have to do 
this manually after the system is halted. It's a minor problem, but I 
would like to find out how I can tune debian to shut-off (power off) 
automatically after shutdown -h now


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host/domain names.. aliases

1997-08-17 Thread Paul Miller
my box is called 'paul.3dillusion.com' (not a reg'd dns).. I have a
registered dns of 'www.3dillusion.com' and '3dillusion.com'  I want mail
to be sent to '3dillusion.com' ([EMAIL PROTECTED])  Anyhow, I'm having
trouble setting it up.  Can someone tell me want I should have in each
configuration file?

/etc/hostname
/etc/hosts
/etc/mailname
/etc/smail/config  (host/domain name stuff)
others?

there is no manual entry for any of these (or that is useful)... 

Thanks
-Paul


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[Update] Re: program fails on debian, runs on redhat

1997-08-17 Thread Walter L. Preuninger II
For those of you that are not aware of my problem, see below.

I have taken the risk of trashing the redhat system by copying the
following libraries from my debian system.

libc
libm
libdl
libtcl

I ran ldconfig after copying the [more recent debian] libraries to the
redhat system. I also removed any aout libraries that may have been on the
redhat system with the above list.

The dbtest program still runs on the redhat system. SleepyCat Software has
informed me that the regression test program runs on  
BSD/OS
FreeBSD
RedHat Linux and
Slackware

I am testing the new database library from SleepyCat Software, available
which provides routines found in libdb-1.85, plus locking and
transactions. 

Can anyone provides some ideas? I would like to communicate with anyone
who tries to run these tests with this software.

Upon futher checking, here are the differences in a couple of libs:
Both machines have tcl7.6
  
Debian (1.3.1)  RedHat (4.2 Biltmore)
/lib/libc.so.5.4.33 /lib/libc.so.5.3.12
/lib/libdl.so.1.8.10/lib/libdl.so.1.7.14
/lib/libm.so.5.0.9  /lib/libm.so.5.0.6
 
Running the regression test program(dbtest) all tests pass except for the
deadlock test (within dbtest, r dead)

This is the debian box:
dbtest
% r dead
Dead001: Deadlock detector tests
Dead001.a: creating environment
Dead001: 2 procs of test ring
All processes have exited.
FAIL:13:11:07 (00:00:00) ring:2:deadlocks: expected 1, got 0
%

This is the redhat box:
dbtest
% r dead
Dead001: Deadlock detector tests
Dead001.a: creating environment
Dead001: 2 procs of test ring
13:15:11 (00:00:00) processes running: 10832 10833
All processes have exited.
Dead001: 4 procs of test ring
13:15:18 (00:00:07) processes running: 10841 10842 10843 10844
13:15:24 (00:00:06) processes running: 10842
All processes have exited.
Dead001: 10 procs of test ring
13:15:34 (00:00:10) processes running: 10869 10870 10871 10872 10876 10879
10880 10881 10882 10887
All processes have exited.
Dead001: 2 procs of test clump
13:15:42 (00:00:08) processes running: 10922 10923
All processes have exited.
Dead001: 4 procs of test clump
13:15:48 (00:00:06) processes running: 10931 10932 10933 10934
13:15:54 (00:00:06) processes running: 10933 10934
All processes have exited.
Dead001: 10 procs of test clump
13:16:04 (00:00:10) processes running: 10960 10962 10964 10965 10970 10972
10973 10974 10975 10976
13:16:11 (00:00:07) processes running: 10964 10965 10973 10976
All processes have exited.
Dead002: Deadlock detector tests
Dead002.a: creating environment
Dead002: 2 procs of test ring
13:16:21 (00:00:10) processes running: 11045 11047
All processes have exited.
Dead002: 4 procs of test ring
13:16:28 (00:00:07) processes running: 11059 11062 11065 11068
All processes have exited.
Dead002: 10 procs of test ring
13:16:37 (00:00:09) processes running: 11087 11088 11089 11090 11091 11096
11097 11099 11100 11105
13:16:44 (00:00:07) processes running: 11087 11099
All processes have exited.
Dead002: 2 procs of test clump
13:16:52 (00:00:08) processes running: 11157 11158
All processes have exited.
Dead002: 4 procs of test clump
13:16:59 (00:00:07) processes running: 11166 11167 11168 11169
All processes have exited.
Dead002: 10 procs of test clump
13:17:08 (00:00:09) processes running: 11190 11192 11193 11194 11195 11196
11201 11202 11204 11205
All processes have exited.
%

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Re: Qmail ./qmail-config does not work! hard error???

1997-08-17 Thread Amos Shapira
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, David M wrote:

I had this happen when I was porting qmail to qnx.. it had to do with
not being able to lookup the host name. I'm not sure if there are
other hard errors though.

While we are at it - what did you do about that?

My problem with Qmail is that my home machine is connected through
a dial-up line and doesn't have a permanent FQDN.  It does have
a hostname (birnam).

So there is no me in the network sense that you can allways
nslookup birnam and get an IP address.  Whenever I connect
I get another IP.  What's the prerequisites that Qmail expects
from me?

During the qmail build it produces a binary called 'hostname' run it
and it should return your full hostname. If not then maybe something
more serious is wrong with your system? 

At least the normal hostname should NOT give FQDN.  Is this the
same hostname you are talking about? (all hostname(1) does is
to get the string from the kernel using the gethostname(2)
system call).

Well, there are only about 5 that qmail-config installs, I don't
have them here but they are simple single line things. I suggest
you do man qmail-control and go through the list of config files
and add any you think you might need. They are all simple things,
much like the 'me' file is.

Can anyone who uses Qmail on a dial-up system provide the contents of
these basic five files?

Sorry to bother this list about that, but I haven't got an answer
from Qmail's FAQ's and docs, not as far as I could find.

Thanks,

--Amos

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smailconfig

1997-08-17 Thread Paul Miller
when I type smailconfig I get the following error message:

Error: system's FQDN hostname (www.3dillusion.com) doesn't match
RFC1035 syntax; cannot configure the mail system.

perhaps '3dillusion' is invalid because of the '3' at the beginning?  I
thought this only applied to the hostname.  DNS lookups work fine... is
this a bug?

-Paul


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microsoft riff, wave audio data

1997-08-17 Thread A.D.Y. Cheng
Hello all,

Does anyone know what program in linux can transform the Microsoft riff,
wave audio data into .voc file?

Thanks
Anthony


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Re: microsoft riff, wave audio data

1997-08-17 Thread Philippe Troin

On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:59:30 +0800 A.D.Y. Cheng ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 wrote:

 Does anyone know what program in linux can transform the Microsoft riff,
 wave audio data into .voc file?

Sox. In debian package sox.

Phil.



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Re: Qmail ./qmail-config does not work! hard error???

1997-08-17 Thread Jason Gunthorpe

On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, Amos Shapira wrote:

 On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, David M wrote:
 
 I had this happen when I was porting qmail to qnx.. it had to do with
 not being able to lookup the host name. I'm not sure if there are
 other hard errors though.
 
 While we are at it - what did you do about that?

My particulay problem was that I miscompiled it with the wrong socket
library, fixed that and hostname worked as advertised.
 
 My problem with Qmail is that my home machine is connected through
 a dial-up line and doesn't have a permanent FQDN.  It does have
 a hostname (birnam).

I think me should be simply somearbitaryname.ispname.com. I'm not sure how
qmail handles dialup connections..

 So there is no me in the network sense that you can allways
 nslookup birnam and get an IP address.  Whenever I connect
 I get another IP.  What's the prerequisites that Qmail expects
 from me?

It only uses it to determine if mail is destined for your machine. Give
your machine an arbitary name, put it in all the hostname files and put
that in me. Any mail sent directly to somearbitaryname.ispname.com will
stay local, all else will go out to the net. You should also set
smtproutes to have a single entry for your ISP's smtp server..

At least I think that is how it should work ; That is how my smail seems
to work here anyhow. 

 At least the normal hostname should NOT give FQDN.  Is this the
 same hostname you are talking about? (all hostname(1) does is
 to get the string from the kernel using the gethostname(2)
 system call).

It compiles it's own hostname during the build process.
 
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Re: Qmail ./qmail-config does not work! hard error???

1997-08-17 Thread Carey Evans
Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[snip]

 So there is no me in the network sense that you can allways
 nslookup birnam and get an IP address.  Whenever I connect
 I get another IP.  What's the prerequisites that Qmail expects
 from me?

Something that looks like a FQDN.  What's more important is what other
systems expect to see where qmail uses the contents of me.

[snip]

 Can anyone who uses Qmail on a dial-up system provide the contents of
 these basic five files?

I have a very strange configuration, because I do not have a permanent
IP address or hostname.  It's probably not legal.  But anyway:

me
--
psyche.evansnet

defaultdomain
-
evansnet

plusdomain
--
clear.net.nz

locals and rcpthosts

localhost
psyche.evansnet

I also have virtualdomains set up for a Perl script that does a little
rewriting, then writes to a Maildir that gets maildir2smtp'd from
ip-up. I have an smtproutes for mail to my brother's machine on my
home LAN.

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Re: auto power-down via shutdown -h?

1997-08-17 Thread Carey Evans
lc29b50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[snip]

 It's a minor problem, but I 
 would like to find out how I can tune debian to shut-off (power off) 
 automatically after shutdown -h now

It's a setting you specify when you compile the kernel.  You'll need
to install the kernel source, configure and compile it to get that
behaviour back, but it's not a big deal and you can probably make
other stuff work better too.

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Re: Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO (regular posting)

1997-08-17 Thread ioannis

  ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libreadline.so (No such file or
  directory), skipping
  [ started after libreadline, fixed after libreadlineg ]
  
  ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libhistory.so (No such file or
  directory), skipping
  [ same as above ]
  
  ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libdl.so (No such file or
  directory), skipping
  [ started after ldso I think, probably an earlier problem with my system.
  It was fixed by installing libdl1-dev ]

 About 3 weeks when I changed to libc5, I did get errors such as these.
 It was a simple matter of changing the symlinks by hand to point to
 the newer version number. I am not sure if this is what is happening in your
 case, but your output looks almost what I remember getting.


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Re: microsoft riff, wave audio data

1997-08-17 Thread A.D.Y. Cheng

 On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:59:30 +0800 A.D.Y. Cheng ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  wrote:
 
  Does anyone know what program in linux can transform the Microsoft riff,
  wave audio data into .voc file?
 
 Sox. In debian package sox.

It does not work. When I did  sox max.wav max.voc, it gives an error
message sox: Sorry, this WAV file is in Microsoft ADPCM format. By the
way, the sound file is copied from Win95. Any hints how to do it?

Thanks
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Re: microsoft riff, wave audio data

1997-08-17 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Aug 17, 1997 at 04:47:30PM +0800, A.D.Y. Cheng wrote:
  On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:59:30 +0800 A.D.Y. Cheng ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   wrote:
   Does anyone know what program in linux can transform the Microsoft riff,
   wave audio data into .voc file?
  Sox. In debian package sox.
 
 It does not work. When I did  sox max.wav max.voc, it gives an error
 message sox: Sorry, this WAV file is in Microsoft ADPCM format. By the
 way, the sound file is copied from Win95. Any hints how to do it?

It's got some proprietary Microsoft compression scheme in it.
You can play them with play from OSS/Linux (including the demo
version from www.4front-tech.com, and play works on OSS/Free
even after your OSS/Linux trial has expired), but I don't know
how you can convert it to VOC, except with some Windows tool.


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Lilo boot get stuck after upgrade to 1.3.1

1997-08-17 Thread Amos Shapira
Hello,

I've just upgraded one of my servers from 1.2 to 1.3.1 and
now I can't boot using LILO.  It gets stuck after printing
LI.

The kernel is 2.0.29 with Equinox multi-modem pull module and
a compiled-in Sangoma Frame-Relay driver.  It used to boot
just fine until the upgrade.  As it is now, I have to boot
from a floppy (just copied the kernel to /dev/fd0 and reset
the machine), but I need the floppy to be free for the Tripwire
database.

Re-running lilo didn't help.  Nothing other than the upgrade of
packages has changed (same kernel, same lilo config, same
partitions, same hardware).

Any ideas?

Thanks,

--Amos

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ifconfig delay

1997-08-17 Thread Dale Thomas Harrison
Quick question:

Does anybody know why theres a noticable pause when running ifconfig? 
Running Debian 1.2, theres a pause of [at a guess] a second or so before 
the devices are listed. I've never noticed this delay on any other Linux 
or Unix system..

Any takers? :)

D.




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Re: man pages?

1997-08-17 Thread joost witteveen
 Hi.
 
 I expose my problem whith man when I try help about some commands.
 
 Supose that I want search xman help.
 
 If I do man xman I get help about xman. But If I open the xman
 application and search for help about it, I don't get help.

Well, you _can_ get help on xman in xman: choose Options/OpenNewManualPage,
and you'll get manual page for xman.

But you probably wanted to ask: why does Xman fail to show most of the
X manual pages in for exmaple section (1) User commands.

I suspect this is a bug in xman: most manaul pages of X applications
are in section 1x, not 1. And, choosing Section (1) User commands
only selects section 1 manual pages, not section 1x. (the files
they refere to live in a different directory too).

You might want to file a bug agianst xcontrib. (the package that
provides xman).

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#!/usr/bin/perl -sp0777iX+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0j]dsj
$/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$kSK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1
lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/)
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Re: Needing more than 8 chars for usernames

1997-08-17 Thread joost witteveen
 Hello,
 
 I need more than eight characters for usernames. Where can I configure this ? 
 Or wich packet do I need to recompile ?

Never tried it myself, but I believe others have just gone ahead and
used longer usernames. They reported no problems.




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$/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$kSK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1
lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/)
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Re: heard all the who-haha?

1997-08-17 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Galen Hazelwood wrote:

 Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:
 
  Dear shellutils maintainer,
 
  Debian 1.3.1 sports a who which many are saying is slow while others
 
  are saying the slowness is due to slow named servers. Were there
  any notable changes leading up the the /usr/bin/who which came with
  shellutils 1.16-2?
 
 The current version of who, sh-utils 1.16, attempts to look up the
 names of hosts which users are using to connect from.  So if your named
 is slow, who will be slow as well.
 
The cause of this one was figured out a while ago and is apparently
already reported as a bug. It is not a slow named causing it, but who
attempting to look up truncated (corrupted) hostnames, probably from utmp.

 This behavior is really annoying for dial-up users, because if named is
 not available (or can't look up anything), who will take forever to time
 out.
 
 I have just come back from vacation, and will look at adding a
 --no-lookup flag to disable this behavior.
 
This is probably a good idea regardless, but I still think it is more
important to fix the original problem. Is there any way who can get the
full (correct) hostname? Why does it need to do the lookup anyway?

ABO


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Re: ifconfig delay

1997-08-17 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, Dale Thomas Harrison wrote:

 Quick question:

 Does anybody know why theres a noticable pause when running ifconfig?
 Running Debian 1.2, theres a pause of [at a guess] a second or so
 before the devices are listed. I've never noticed this delay on any
 other Linux or Unix system..

 Any takers? :)

kerneld is loading (or trying to) the modules for ipx, ax25, and
appletalk when you run ifconfig.

you can stop this from happenenign by editing /etc/conf.modules and make
sure that net-pf-[345] are turned off like so:

alias net-pf-3 off
alias net-pf-4 off
alias net-pf-5 off

If you need any of these networking modules, then list then in
/etc/modules so that they are loaded at boot time.



btw, it is also a good idea to load the 'serial' module by listing it
in /etc/modules - this stops kerneld from unloading it automatically
when the serial ports haven't been used for a while...which can lose the
serial port configuration done by /etc/rc.boot/0setserial.  I think that
the latest debian version of 0setserial loads the serial module itself
if it isn't already loaded, so this may not be necessary any more.


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Re: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)

1997-08-17 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:

 From: Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Does bash 2.01 solve the problem?  We do update 'stable' - we're 
  currently debating that strategy on the debian-private (developers only)
  mailing list right now.  If bash 2.0 is sufficiently broken, then that 
  might 
  merit putting 2.01 into 'stable'.
 
 I'm going to have to set this straight, since Jim alluded to a discussion
 on our private list.
 
 The next version of the system will be called Debian 1.3.1 Revision 1.
 People who make long-term products based on Debian requested that
 we not change the version number of the system if we were only making a
 few bug fixes. For example, X windows was rebuilt because Richard
 Stallman requested that XDM display Debian GNU/Linux rather than just
 Debian Linux. It's worthwhile to insert that change, but not
 worthwhile to make everyone think they need to upgrade their systems
 because of it. Thus, we will not bump the release number to 1.3.2 for minor
 changes.
 
 This has been a large problem for some kinds of retailers, such
 as bookstores - they will not carry Debian unless we can promise them that
 we will give them a life-cycle longer than one month on their product.
 
 You will notice that both Red Hat and Slackware do not change their version
 numbers for bug fixes _at_all_. We will be changing the revision number, but
 not the release number.

I'm unable to subscribe to debian-devel, or debian-private
because neither is available in digest form.  I've missed
this discussion there, so forgive em if these have been
answered, but i have some concerns about this.

Is Debian not including fixes into the official CD image
because of COMMERCIAL concerns???  Are the bug/security
fixes there, but the name just not changed?  Which is it?
How does this naming convention have any impact on the
contents of a CD if the changes are still there but the name
not changed?  It sounds strange to me that having a name
last more than one month would have any impact on the
contents if they're still being fixed/updated, etc.

Also, on Richard Stallman, Is the FSF going to start selling
Debian GNU/Linux CDs?  Way back when, that was on there web
site (I think), but then the whole mess happened, is now
fixed, and looks like we're talking again.  Any news of
that?  They used to say they might sell Gnu/Linux to fund
other research, etc.  Debian may do well to concede the
official CD to them if they're interested. That would get
us out of the CD business all together, and back in the Free
Software business.  

Having someone else produce an officially endorced CD (as an
OEM, for example) might clear up these kinds of
mis-perceptions.  A distribution based on putting quality
first can't afford commercial conflicts of interest, lest
our differentiating feature become bogus.  I remember
backing the decision to produce an official CD image at the
time because of the need to improve our commercial
viability, but we should checkpoint the effectiveness of
that decision now and make sure our priorities haven't
changed unintentionally.  

This is not an invitation to a flame war, nor is it a
judgement.  I just want to know what's happenning (as a
debian user.)  If Bruce says not to worry, I won't worry.
But I'd like to know one way or another.  Private mail is OK
if this topic is being dubbed unfit for public discussion.
I'm still a debian developer in that I still maintain a
debian package.  I am only subscribed to this list and
admintool (low traffic, but still no digest :-( )

Cheers,

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Re: Blocking spam by IP number

1997-08-17 Thread Richard G. Roberto

This kind of information would look good on our web site.

On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:

 Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  By the way, I return an error message rather than simply delaying the
  connection until it times out because under the Electronic Communications
  and Privacy Act it is unlawful to intercept electronic mail without an
  indication to the sender.
 
 From: Carey Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  How would this apply to kernel firewalling (leaving aside that I live
  in NZ)?  Would reject be OK and deny not?
 
 An immediate reject would be fine. The most important thing (to a U.S. user)
 is to inform _all_ users that you do not guarantee reliable delivery of
 e-mail and that you do not guarantee that nobody will read their e-mail.
 You might even want to put this in your /etc/motd.
 This will remove some of your liability under the ECPA. However, even once
 you have done that, you can go to jail for intercepting the e-mail of one
 of your users and preventing it from being delivered without informing the
 other party. Most writers of anti-spam software are blissfully ignorant of
 this. Thus, do not cause it to time out in the message queue. Return an
 SMTP error immediately, so that the other party is informed of non-delivery.
 
   Bruce
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Installing from floppies

1997-08-17 Thread Adam Klein
I'm planning to install Debian from a pile of floppies.  However, there
are some packages that won't fit on 1 floppy.  How should I do this?

Adam Klein


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Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO (regular posting, updated)

1997-08-17 Thread Scott K. Ellis
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  Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO
  Scott K. Ellis, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  v1.6, August 17, 1997

  Recent Changes:

  o  Moved ldso above libc6, incase they have an ancient ldso.

  o  Raised versions required for bash and libreadline(g)2 to the
 official maintainer versions to avoid possible version mismatch
 breakage.

  o  Added a note saying that allowing dselect to upgrade the listed
 packages might result in an unbootable system.

  o  Added ncurses3.0 to list of packages after realizing that
 libreadline2 depended on it.  This may not be necessary, as
 everyone should already have ncurses3.0 installed.

  1.  Introduction

  The Debian project is currently in the process of putting together the
  next release of the Debian system.  This version will utilize the new
  libc6, a replacement for the prior libc5 which includes many
  enhancements and brings the Linux C library back into sync with the
  GNU project.  We are doing this in a way to allow you to continue to
  utilize your older software by providing development and operating
  environments for both C libraries.  However, all packages in the new
  release will be linked with the new C library.  This has made it
  slightly more difficult to install packages from the unstable branch
  of our development tree into a working system.  There is a slight
  possibility of making your system unbootable in the process, this
  guide is intended to help you avoid such problems.

  2.  Requirements

  2.1.  Minimum Requirements

  The minimum list of packages to install to be able to run unstable-
  branch packages is below.  Install these packages one at a time in
  exactly the order listed.  When versions are mentioned, that is a
  minimum suggested version, any later version should also be
  acceptable.

  IMPORTANT: If you use dselect to do the initial upgrade to these
  packages, there is a very good possibility of breaking bash and
  therefore making your system unusable.

  o  ldso_1.9.5-1

  o  libc6_2.0.4-1

  o  ncurses3.0_1.9.9e-2

  o  ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-3

  o  libreadline2_2.1-3

  o  libreadlineg2_2.1-3

  o  bash_2.01-1

  2.2.  Other Suggested Packages

  These packages are not absolutely essential for the functioning of the
  packages in unstable, but are still very useful.  The new dpkg-dev may
  be necessary for unpacking source archives from unstable, and the new
  dpkg-ftp is needed if you wish to use the ftp method of dselect to
  upgrade your system to the unstable distribution.

  o  libg++272_2.7.2.5-2

  o  dpkg_1.4.0.19

  o  dpkg-dev_1.4.0.19

  o  dpkg-ftp_1.4.9

  3.  Development

  If you wish to do libc6 development, you should first purge all the
  '-dev' packages on your system, the new development system will use
  packages with the suffix '-dev' for libc6 development and '-altdev'
  for libc5 development.  You will wish to install the latest libc5
  package, and altgcc if you wish continue to do libc5 development as
  well.  Some libraries haven't been recompiled for the new libc6 yet,
  check that all your vital libraries are available before upgrading.
  Linking libc5-based libraries with libc6-based programs will have
  unpredictable results.

  4.  Concerns

  Note also that both the man-db and the libc6-dev packages currently
  include /usr/bin/gencat.  The version of gencat in libc6-dev has been
  reported to cause segfault problems with man-db, you may wish to
  reinstall man-db after libc6-dev if you experience these problems.

  5.  Disclaimer

  As always, this document comes with NO WARRANTY.  These comments are
  based on my personal experience and experimentation.  While this
  worked for me off a freshly installed v1.3.1 system, you mileage may
  vary.  Please send any comments or corrections to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: man pages?

1997-08-17 Thread Oliver Elphick
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes:
   Hi.
   
   I expose my problem whith man when I try help about some commands.
   
   Supose that I want search xman help.
   
   If I do man xman I get help about xman. But If I open the xman
   application and search for help about it, I don't get help.
  
  Well, you _can_ get help on xman in xman: choose Options/OpenNewManualPage,
  and you'll get manual page for xman.
  
  But you probably wanted to ask: why does Xman fail to show most of the
  X manual pages in for exmaple section (1) User commands.
  
  I suspect this is a bug in xman: most manaul pages of X applications
  are in section 1x, not 1. And, choosing Section (1) User commands
  only selects section 1 manual pages, not section 1x. (the files
  they refere to live in a different directory too).

I don't see this problem.

I think the reason for not seeing various man pages is that MANPATH is not 
set correctly.  You should do this in your .xsession file or else in the
global file.

You want something like:

  MANPATH=/usr/local/man:/usr/X11R6/man:/usr/man:/usr/local/pgsql/man
  export MANPATH

editing as necessary for any other manpage directories you may have.

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Re: Installing from floppies

1997-08-17 Thread lc29b50
On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, Adam Klein wrote:

 I'm planning to install Debian from a pile of floppies.  However, there
 are some packages that won't fit on 1 floppy.  How should I do this?
 
 Adam Klein

Buy the package on cd from www.cheapbytes.com Its only around $2 a copy, 
save you a lot of time and trouble.


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Re: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)

1997-08-17 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Richard G. Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Is Debian not including fixes into the official CD image
 because of COMMERCIAL concerns???  Are the bug/security
 fixes there, but the name just not changed?  Which is it?

The Official CD will have a slower release schedule than the system
available via FTP. Those who wish the latest fixes should be willing to
update a few packages on their systems via FTP between each CD
purchase. Nobody can press new CDs every two weeks and continue to sell
them for $4 per 2-CD set, while updating 5 packages in two weeks via FTP
is fine for most people. I guess that is a commercial consideration :-)

As far as I can tell, this is the best solution for the users. Cheap
CDs with up to 1.3 GB data, and then you download the latest couple
of megabytes of updates.

 Also, on Richard Stallman, Is the FSF going to start selling
 Debian GNU/Linux CDs?

I don't think there is a need for them to do so any longer. They are
selling an FSF CD, I don't know what is on it. They want to sell for a
higher price than most vendors sell the Debian Official 2-CD Set.

Thanks

Bruce
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FTP updates (was Re: Is this the Debian ...)

1997-08-17 Thread robert havoc pennington
On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
 The Official CD will have a slower release schedule than the system
 available via FTP. Those who wish the latest fixes should be willing to
 update a few packages on their systems via FTP between each CD
 purchase. Nobody can press new CDs every two weeks and continue to sell
 
...
 As far as I can tell, this is the best solution for the users. Cheap
 CDs with up to 1.3 GB data, and then you download the latest couple
 of megabytes of updates.
 

Will there be any way to tell which packages are included in the 2 megs of
updates? i.e., will there be (or is there) a directory for changed since
last CD image with links to what we need to get? 
I guess dselect can automatically figure out whether the version numbers
have changed, but a directory would be faster and easier I think. Maybe
even a tar with all the changed packages. Deity could be made aware of
the directory and save downloading and comparing version numbers.

Just a thought/question, FWIW 

Havoc Pennington



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Debian on a PS/2

1997-08-17 Thread Zim9781
Hi, I have just installed Debian sucessfully on a IBM PS/2 56 with SCSI, but
I have run in to a little problem.  At the end of the installation I selected
to make a boot disk, but when I put the disk in to boot from I get a message
saying Boot Failed: Change disks and press any key. Could someone please
help me??  If it is not fixable I could use the rescue disk to boot my
system.


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tty with non-standard irq

1997-08-17 Thread Ricardo Muggli
How do I set up a com port in debian that has a non standard irq?
The port I want to use is 0x2E8 irq2
This is what I tried.

edited /etc/rc.boot/0setserial and added this line:
${SETSERIAL} -b /dev/ttyS3 irq 2 port 0x2E8 skip_test autoconfig
${STD_FLAGS}

and commented out this line:
#AUTO_IRQ=auto_irq

(I think that this is when serial is loaded from /etc/modules) This is
what I see during boot up:
Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled
tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
tty03 at 0x02e8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A

(I think that this is when /etc/rc.boot/0setserial is called) After some
more things have started I see this:
Configuring serial ports...
done.
/dev/ttyS0 at 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
/dev/ttyS1 at 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
/dev/ttyS3 at 0x2e8 (irq = 2) is a 16550A

Also when I do a dmesg I see this:
Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled
tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
tty03 at 0x02e8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A

Any help is appreciated.

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Re: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)

1997-08-17 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
 The Official CD will have a slower release schedule than the system
 available via FTP. Those who wish the latest fixes should be willing to
 update a few packages on their systems via FTP between each CD
 purchase. Nobody can press new CDs every two weeks and continue to sell
 them for $4 per 2-CD set, while updating 5 packages in two weeks via FTP
 is fine for most people. I guess that is a commercial consideration :-)

There should be a changes file for the current version back
to the last distributed version of any package -- for 
comparison -- available on the web site.  That would help
users determine what they want/need to update (if anything
at all).  Most of the time, bug fixes are for certain
behaviors under certain conditions and don't even apply to
everyone.  I don't want to download a bug fix that doesn't
even affect me ;)

 
 As far as I can tell, this is the best solution for the users. Cheap
 CDs with up to 1.3 GB data, and then you download the latest couple
 of megabytes of updates.

Agreed -- without having to subscribe to an internet
bonanza just to get debian ;)

 
  Also, on Richard Stallman, Is the FSF going to start selling
  Debian GNU/Linux CDs?
 
 I don't think there is a need for them to do so any longer. They are
 selling an FSF CD, I don't know what is on it. They want to sell for a
 higher price than most vendors sell the Debian Official 2-CD Set.

Having it available from the FSF would look good to
comercial sites that already buy GNU software.  It
wouldn't need to be competitive at all.  Just a thought.

Thanks for the clarification.  Sounds above board to me.

Cheers,

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things, we will not ourselves find peace -Albert Schweitzer

Richard G. Roberto


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