non-free software
Hello, I have just installed debian from cdrom (infomagic), and some of my favorite packages, available on Red Hat, are missing from the Debian distribution. These packages (netpbm , xv) are in the non-free subdirectory of packages in www.debian.org, but in the distributions available on cdroms ( I checked other cdroms). I understand there may be restrictions on distributions of some packages, but if others can include it why cannot Debian? Debian seems to have the larger of packages than other distributions but they are missing some rather basic packages? By the way, I found that one advantage of Debian over Red Hat, is that one does not have to get X11 up before installing packages. In Red Hat, the primary package installer is glint which depends on X11. If one can't get X11 running, one may have lots of work. King Lee ultrix6.cs.csubak.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking for hamm DISKS
I'm currently using Debian 1.3 I'd like to upgrade to 2.0-to-be. I only seem to see the actual base install disks, is there an upgrade package somewhere? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
I have just installed debian from cdrom (infomagic), and some of my favorite packages, available on Red Hat, are missing from the Debian distribution. These packages (netpbm , xv) are in the non-free subdirectory of packages in www.debian.org, but in the distributions available on cdroms ( I checked other cdroms). Download them from ftp.debian.org/debian/non-free/ Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba config/password problem; Win95 OEMSR2
I am not sure if osr2 forces encrypted passwords, but it sounds like a possibility. Yes, it seems as it does (see below), at least with the DUN 1.2 upgrade it does. Can you smbclient to yourself in Linux to see if it will browse? Aha, this is an interesting angle I haven't thought of! I tried it, here's what happens; I get the error message of: ERRSRV - ERRbadpw (Bad password - name/password pair in a Tree Connect or Session Setup are invalid.) It gives advice to try uppercase passwords (no good either). Interesting. This is with security = user enabled. If I comment out security = user then I can connect fine and it lists out my Linux server and even a Win95 machine set up to share a hard drive. I can also connect from the Win95 machine if I comment out security = user but errors if I have it enabled. Nice, but I want to use security = user. :-) Anyone have any ideas on what could be happening? And how do you setup plain text passwords through NetBios in windows 95? Perhaps plain text is the wrong terminology, I just meant unencrypted. It's done by adding a registry key and is documented in /usr/doc/samba's Win95.txt. -- Regards, | Debian GNU/__ o http://www.debian.org .| / / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy| / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ Teacher/Tech. Coord. | ...because lockups are for convicts... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Design of Debian web site
On Sat, Mar 28, 1998 at 05:21:21PM +0100, Thomas Apel wrote: What do you think about this? I would be happy to hear your opinions. If there is enough positive feedback I can create a rough prototype of what I think of. Hello Tom! Thank you for your constructive suggestions. I think the following guidelines should be followed roughly: * No frames. Frames are evil ;) * Should be good with Netscape and Lynx at least (note that lynx does support META tags, this is very good for navigation) * Only few different graphical elements (no essential information there). * Information should be presented clear and fast accesible. I think one more sub menu would be fine. * it should be able to auto generate pages with scripts (well, the bug pages are auto generated, aren't they?) I would welcome a prototype. Please sent a notice to debian-publicity and perhaps to debian-devel if you have it ready. Thank you again, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sound
On Fri, Mar 27, 1998 at 12:32:44AM -0500, David B Wilson wrote: I've found that when I user Windows95 and then boot to Linux, that /proc/interrupts shows a sound blaster under IRQ5, and that dmesg doesn't turn up any sound errors. Nothing is listed under IRQ5 when I boot directly to Linux, and dmesg shows a sound initialization problem. I have PnP disabled, so I don't know why warm booting makes a difference. Well, the PnP card will be initialized by WIn95, and warm booting will not destroy this initialization. Cold reboot does. You have to compile sound as module and then configure isapnp (with pnpdump). The append sound to /etc/modules or rely on kerneld. Unfortunately, booting into Linux after W95 doesn't make a big enough difference to make sound work. /dev/sndstat does show an audio device (which it didn't before), but the SB MPU401 line under card config is still in parens, and cat'ing to /dev/audio, /dev/sound, and /dev/dsp, while no longer producing errors, still produce no sound. The file I cat'ed was chimes.wav in my W95 partition, which I presume should make a noise. Did you recompile the kernel? What sound card do you have, and what options did you give the kernel config for sound? [This is a Yamaha OPL-3SAx chip.) Well, more detailed info about your card would be helpful... Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have just installed debian from cdrom (infomagic), and some of my favorite packages, available on Red Hat, are missing from the Debian distribution. These packages (netpbm , xv) are in the non-free subdirectory of packages in www.debian.org, but in the distributions available on cdroms ( I checked other cdroms). I understand there may be restrictions on distributions of some packages, but if others can include it why cannot Debian? Debian seems to have the larger of packages than other distributions but they are missing some rather basic packages? This illustrates a point I was planing to bring up for discussion on debian-devel. The Debian Social Contract, referring to the contrib and non-free, says We encourage CD manufacturers to read the licenses of software packages in these directories and determine if they can distribute that software on their CDs. Prior to the Official CD, some vendors, such as CheapBytes, included substantial parts of non-free on their CDs while others, including Infomagic, ignored non-free. Since we made the Official CD available with the bo release, all CD vendors seem to have taken the path of least resistance, and reproduced the Official CD as is. The Official CD is a Good Thing (TM), but this side effect is a Bad Thing (TM). I would like to see someone come up with a way to persuade vendors to include as much of non-free as possible, while still issuing the Official CD. One possibility is to include the non-free directory in the Official CD image, and point the vendors to a statement similar to that in the Social Contract. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: what serve the file in the /dev directory
Look in /usr/src/kernel-source-??/Documentation/devices.txt for information on devices. On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Alain Toussaint wrote: Hello i need to know what serve the files in the /dev directory,it's because i did some experiment trying to build a boot/root disk set (sort of rescue disk and a good way to learn about linux),i copied all the files in the /dev directory to a floppy disk (the root disk in question) using this method: cd /dev find . -print | cpio -pmd /mnt/dev i also copied the needed library for bash ( libreadline.so.2, libncurses.so.3.0, libdl.so.1 and libc.so.5 ) but now,i lack the space needed for copying bash,does anyone here know where i can get the information i need to safely prune the /dev directory without erasing something important ?? thanks a lot for your help !! Alain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*** Running Debian Linux *** * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 * * W. Paul Mills* Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A.* * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.networksplus.net/wpmills/ * * Bill, I was there several years ago, why would I want to go back? * / -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 problem with Trident card under Debian 1.3.1
Bob Brown wrote: I have a Pentium 120 with a Trident TGUI9680 card with 2mb RAM coupled to a HP monitor upon which I installed Debian 1.3.1 from a CD. I installed the SVGA server, because it was supposed to support my card, My problem is that when X loads, text (like in a menu or in an xterm) is not entirely visible. It looks like it's missing an occasional verticle line or something. Bold text displays perfectly, as do graphics. I Have you configured with xf86config? I had mucho problems with the set up of my 9680, I switched to an S3Virge and was up and running without a hitch. There is just somethin about those Trident chips... Yes, I configured it with xf86config several times, trying little tweaks to induce it to work. I also tried XF86Setup (the graphical one). Again, it ran just fine (I could see all the text, etc.), but the same problem arose when I started up X after exiting XF86Setup. Any other suggestions? Eric Nystrom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IBM ThinkPad w/ Debian Linux 1.3.1
Hello, I am thinking of buying a IBM ThinkPad 755CD and want to know if Debian Linux 1.3.1 ( which I just ordered) would work well on it (graphical/ CD ROM/ sound /etc. support) here are the details that I do know about the 755CD: IBM ThinkPad 755CD Processor Processor (CPU): Pentium Processor internal clock speed: 75MHz Processor manufacturer: Intel Math co-processor: Built-in L1 internal CPU cache: 16KB L2 external CPU cache std/max: 256KB / 256KB L2 external CPU cache type: Write-through BIOS type: Flash APM-aware Audio Audio chipset make model: Mwave MDSP2780 DSP Audio data width: 16-bit Communications Fax/modem: Via DSP Communications features: Infrared ports (2) (IRDA compatible) Display Screen type: 640x480 Screen type description: TFT - active matrix Contrast ratio: 100:1 Screen illumination: Toplit Max resolution on built-in screen: 640x480 65536 colors Max colors or grey shades: 65536 External display supported: Yes Max resolution on external display: 1024x768 256 colors Graphics subsystem Graphics type: 1024x768 Graphics chipset: Western Digital WD90C24A2 (Rev.D) Graphics data width: 32-bit Video RAM std/max: 1MB / 1MB Video RAM type: DRAM Max resolution: 1024x768 256 colors Max colors: 65536 Graphics bus interface: VESA Pointing device Pointing device type: TrackPoint III If this computer will not work well with Debian Linux 1.3.1 I would not buy it, but I found it at what I think is a good deal ($695, w/ 850Mb hdd, and docking station) and though it would make a good portable programming / work horse. (I'm a computer science student at USM, we program in C++ using Emacs/G++/DDD ) thanks in advance for any suggestions / advice Ken -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Spice on debian?
I was just wondering whether anyone has got Spice from Berkeley (3f4) to work under Debian. I remember a while back trying to compile from the original sources and from a GNU/linux-ified version of the sources but got errors. Being no expert at building software I quit. Are there any pointers anywhere on how to build software under Unix systems? Perhaps I can build it myself and debianize it ... Thanks for your help! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail and ssh
Hi, I've been using fetchmail and ssh for a while on a debian bo system, but now I'd like to get them to work together. I'm not having any success. Here is part of my .fetchmailrc for my closest attempt: poll mail.alantro.com proto pop3 port 2110 preconnect ssh -L 2110:127.0.0.1:110 mail.alantro.com user lee, with password password, is lee here fetchall When I run fetchmail mail.alantro.com it opens a shell on mail.alantro.com. When I exit the shell, it seems to stall until I hit Ctrl-C. Is this a reasonable way to use the port and preconnect commands? This is my first experience with the -L command, so I'm not sure I'm using it properly. Well, I know I'm not using something properly :^) I haven't been able to find an example. Just offhand references in the man pages and /usr/doc that ssh now supports pop and the preconnect command is to be used with ssh. Thanks for any help. -- Lee Bradshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) Alantro Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exmh and procmail filtering
On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Erik van der Meulen wrote: I would like to use exmh for my mail client, instead of elm. I would like to set up procmail for the filtering and sorting. Early experiments succeeded in moving mail to elm-style files but not in a format which is acceptable to ex(mh) directories. Could anyone send me an example of a .procmail file for use with exmh? You might want to take a look at some of the following websites, most of which include MUA-specific info, including emxh: http://www.helsinki.fi/~reriksso/procmail/mini-faq.html http://www.helsinki.fi/~reriksso/procmail/links.html ftp://cs.uta.fi/pub/ssjaaa/pm-tips.html http://www.faqs.org/faqs/mail/filtering-faq/ There are Pine, VM, Elm, and other MUA-specific pages that I know of off the top of my head (or in my bookmarks file); feel free to contact me if you change mailers! :-) -- David S. Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dsj.net Linux: Choice of a GNU Generation! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: support for IBM ThinkPad 755CD
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Kenneth F. Ryder III wrote: Hi, I am thinking of buying a IBM Thinkpad 755CD laptop. Is it supported under Debian Linux? You might check out some of the following pages for more info: Linux on the ThinkPad http://www.wwsi.com/linux-tp.html http://reality.sgi.com/mende/linuxTP701/ (There are others specific to later laptops, however.) http://www.mindspring.com/~finkels/thinkpad.html http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html http://www.redhat.com/linux-info/laptop/ http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ Hope these help, at least for starters. -- David S. Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dsj.net Linux: Choice of a GNU Generation! -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GTW/GL d- s+:+ a42 C+++ USL P L+++ E++ W++ N++@ o-- K- w--- O++@ M V PS+ PE++ Y+++ PGP++(+++) t+ 5 X+ R-@ tv b++ DI+++ D++ G++ e++ h r+++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Hi, Bob == Bob Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob Prior to the Official CD, some vendors, such as CheapBytes, Bob included substantial parts of non-free on their CDs while others, Bob including Infomagic, ignored non-free. Since we made the Bob Official CD available with the bo release, all CD vendors seem Bob to have taken the path of least resistance, and reproduced the Bob Official CD as is. Hey, cool. I like that. Seems like the social contract in action. Bob The Official CD is a Good Thing (TM), but this side effect is a Bob Bad Thing (TM). What do you mean, bad thing? Are we not trying to promote free software?Why is it a bad thing that more and more CD vendors are restricting them selves to free software then? I think we should not try to change this trend at all manoj -- Every opportunity we have to run our RD scientists and engineers against our customers, we do it. George Heilmeier, Texas Instruments Inc., Dallas Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Hi, Bob == Bob Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob I would like to see someone come up with a way to persuade Bob vendors to include as much of non-free as possible, while still Bob issuing the Official CD. I object quite strongly. This seems to go against the spirit of the Social contract; we in fact prefer free software over similar (even possibly superiro non-free software). Bob One possibility is to include the Bob non-free directory in the Official CD image, and point the Bob vendors to a statement similar to that in the Social Contract. The Non-free stuff is not part of Debian, and should not be on the official CD. Any such move would dilute the perceived adherence to the DFSG and the social contract. manoj -- Even when he is doing evil, the fool does not realise it. The idiot is punished by his own deeds, like one is scorched by fire. 136 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Samba config/password problem; Win95 OEMSR2
Carroll Kong Aha, this is an interesting angle I haven't thought of! I tried it, here's what happens; I get the error message of: ERRSRV - ERRbadpw (Bad password - name/password pair in a Tree Connect or Session Setup are invalid.) Ok. If you got an error running smbclient to your own box check to see if you did it properly? smbclient -L hostname -U username? And try your password. If you did this properly... from linux to samba... and it failed. Odds are you have encrypted passwords enabled in /usr/local/samba/lib/smb.conf? This is a guess of mine.. or you do not have security = user but ... you seem to have that setup. Or... it was not a valid user? Ok... assuming you can get yourself connected to samba... you can enable encrypted passwords, which I do suggest, both ways are insecure but if this network you are describing has relatively good security and is more LAN than WAN, having encrypted passwords is not such a bad thing. You should read the /samba-1.9.1.8p4/docs/ENCRYPTION.TXT. run the cat /etc/passwd | ./mksambapass.sh or what not... there is a line in the .txt file. After you run that though, you should run ./smbpasswd username for each user. I could NOT find a way around this at all. I do not think the /./mksambapasswd successfully ports the unix hashed passwords since the unix hashed passwords cannot be converted to the smb hashed passwords. (sorry for the bad terminology.. heheh). So in essense, the smb password will be different from their telnet login password. Once again, double check the linux smbclient to linux samba. If you cannot do that successfully, I cannot imagine you getting the Win 95 logging in successfully before your own linux smbclient to samba. And how do you setup plain text passwords through NetBios in windows 95? Perhaps plain text is the wrong terminology, I just meant unencrypted. It's done by adding a registry key and is documented in /usr/doc/samba's Win95.txt. Randy| / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / Ah.. a registry add on. That is what I meant... plain text passwords is the right terminology, I believe, I did not know it was a registry key fix. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
I hate Me too's but Mnoj you are 100% right. ebian is meant as a champion of free-software. By leaving non-free off of the CD's, we are saying that we oppose restricted software. The user can still get it if they want it but the extra effort helps drive the point home. I personally package a lib that had to be made into a free and a contrib version because of giflib which is VERY non-free. We need to try and help developers move towards GPL, DFSG and the like, not coddle them. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Hello Thanks for the prompt reply! May I suggest that you might make a non-free_1 and non-free_2 directory. The non-free_1 directory would contain software for which there is no possible legal liability for the cdrom vendor and cdrom vendors would be encouraged to include. The directory non-free_2 would contain packages with more restrictive licenses.B Some of stuff in non-free is, in my opinion, rather basic and cdrom vendors should be encouraged to include it. Especially since other vendors include it with their distribution. King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have just installed debian from cdrom (infomagic), and some of my favorite packages, available on Red Hat, are missing from the Debian distribution. These packages (netpbm , xv) are in the non-free subdirectory of packages in www.debian.org, but in the distributions available on cdroms ( I checked other cdroms). I understand there may be restrictions on distributions of some packages, but if others can include it why cannot Debian? Debian seems to have the larger of packages than other distributions but they are missing some rather basic packages? This illustrates a point I was planing to bring up for discussion on debian-devel. The Debian Social Contract, referring to the contrib and non-free, says We encourage CD manufacturers to read the licenses of software packages in these directories and determine if they can distribute that software on their CDs. Prior to the Official CD, some vendors, such as CheapBytes, included substantial parts of non-free on their CDs while others, including Infomagic, ignored non-free. Since we made the Official CD available with the bo release, all CD vendors seem to have taken the path of least resistance, and reproduced the Official CD as is. The Official CD is a Good Thing (TM), but this side effect is a Bad Thing (TM). I would like to see someone come up with a way to persuade vendors to include as much of non-free as possible, while still issuing the Official CD. One possibility is to include the non-free directory in the Official CD image, and point the vendors to a statement similar to that in the Social Contract. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Bob Prior to the Official CD, some vendors, such as CheapBytes, Bob included substantial parts of non-free on their CDs while others, Bob including Infomagic, ignored non-free. Since we made the Bob Official CD available with the bo release, all CD vendors seem Bob to have taken the path of least resistance, and reproduced the Bob Official CD as is. Hey, cool. I like that. Seems like the social contract in action. I was always amaised how all revolutionaries are alike... All of them want to reach their goals by sacrifycing a little man (a user in our case). And of course, for the purporse to make his life better :) Good luck. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: non-free software
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob The Official CD is a Good Thing (TM), but this side effect is a Bob Bad Thing (TM). What do you mean, bad thing? Are we not trying to promote free software?Why is it a bad thing that more and more CD vendors are restricting them selves to free software then? I think we should not try to change this trend at all It is bad because it is contrary to section 5. of the Social Contract We encourage CD manufacturers to read the licenses of software packages in these directories and determine if they can distribute that software on their CDs. For the same reasons that we include non-free programs in the archives, we should endeavor to make them available to those users who can not obtain them by ftp (lack of net access, exorbitant on-line or telephone rates, etc.). Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Bob == Bob Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob I would like to see someone come up with a way to persuade Bob vendors to include as much of non-free as possible, while still Bob issuing the Official CD. I object quite strongly. This seems to go against the spirit of the Social contract; we in fact prefer free software over similar (even possibly superiro non-free software). Bob One possibility is to include the Bob non-free directory in the Official CD image, and point the Bob vendors to a statement similar to that in the Social Contract. The Non-free stuff is not part of Debian, and should not be on the official CD. Any such move would dilute the perceived adherence to the DFSG and the social contract. It sounds like you are advocating removal of paragraph 5. of the Social Contract. Perhaps a proposal to modify the Social Contract is in order. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, King Lee wrote: May I suggest that you might make a non-free_1 and non-free_2 directory. The non-free_1 directory would contain software for which there is no possible legal liability for the cdrom vendor and cdrom vendors would be encouraged to include. The directory non-free_2 would contain packages with more restrictive licenses.B Everything that is in non-free is there because it has a problematic license. Some stuff prohibits charging for distribution, some only a reasonably copying fee. It's too much effort for someone to look through to decide on. Some of stuff in non-free is, in my opinion, rather basic and cdrom vendors should be encouraged to include it. Especially since other vendors include it with their distribution. Are you volunteering to read all the licenses carefully? I considered that once, but gave up after realizing how poorly a lot of the non-free licences were constructed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux wont boot anymore
Did you install an internal modem when things quit working? I've seen internal modems that cause this exact problem. Never did figure out why :(. The modem I tried had both jumper selectable IRQ and I/O Port settings but could be made to respond as a Plug'n'Play device too by jumper settings. I had problems with serial ports, parallel port, and floppy anytime this particular modem was plugged in to my ISA bus. --Bob Michael A. Endsley wrote: For some unknown reason, Linux just stopped booting :( It goes through loading the kernel and the other checks till it gets to the fsck area. There it finds that my hda2 is clean (where I have Linux). The hd does some very rapid activity and then after about 3 secs, it just stops! No errors, no other virtual screens to check for anything,...nothing. I have left the machine just sitting there and came back some time later, but still nothing. Earlier today, I had been reading the man on isapnptools for a 'Best Data 33.6' internal modem. I did not run pnpdump or anything else. I tried loading my rescue disk, but it just sat there for several minutes not doing anything either--the led was on the whole time. Any ideals? I hate the thot of starting all over, because without getting the internal modem working, all I have right now is a older 14.4 external, and I had about 450megs of stuff on my linux partition. Thanks, Mike _ If not Amiga, then: Operating System of CHOICE? Debian (Linux) or OS2 Warp3 me @ corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/endsley/ _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail and ssh
This is what I put in my .fetchmailrc poll picton.eecg.utoronto.ca protocol pop3 via localhost port 8110 username bach password krakthis preconnect ssh -f -L 8110:picton.eecg.utoronto.ca:110 picton.eecg.utoronto.ca sleep 20 /dev/null /dev/null So the following might work for you: poll mail.alantro.com proto pop3 via localhost port 2110 preconnect ssh -f -L 2110:mail.alantro.com:110 mail.alantro.com sleep 20 /dev/null /dev/null user lee, with password password, is lee here fetchall A similar example is given in the fetchmail man page (just search for ssh). (I'm using the fetchmail 4.3.9-1 package that comes with hamm) The /dev/null stuff seems to be important; I couldn't get the ssh+fetchmail combination to work when I removed the /dev/null I/O redirection. The sleep 20 is also important. Basically ssh connects to your mail server and maps port 2110 on your machine to port 110 on the mail server, then quits after 20 seconds or after all forwarded connections are terminated. Tell me how it goes. Here is part of my .fetchmailrc for my closest attempt: poll mail.alantro.com proto pop3 port 2110 preconnect ssh -L 2110:127.0.0.1:110 mail.alantro.com user lee, with password password, is lee here fetchall When I run fetchmail mail.alantro.com it opens a shell on mail.alantro.com. When I exit the shell, it seems to stall until I hit Ctrl-C. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: Hello, OOPS - I did not mean to start a flame war. May I give a little more context to my original post? I will use the Debian packages when I can. If xv doesn't come with Debian, maybe I will use a substitue if it is as functional, or close. However there are packages like netpbm which, to my knowledge cannot be replaced. If this package was not available as a debian package, I would have to go with another distribution or hunt the net for the tarball and compile it. However, netpbm is available from debian.org, so I will download it. A pain since I have a bad connection. I hope you continue to support packages like xv and netpbm. I think there are too many good packages out there for the freeware community to ignore. If you support them please make them as easily accessible as possible. As I said before I, and I am sure others, will use ultra-free software before the semi-free software, and commercial software as a last resort. King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, Bob == Bob Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob I would like to see someone come up with a way to persuade Bob vendors to include as much of non-free as possible, while still Bob issuing the Official CD. I object quite strongly. This seems to go against the spirit of the Social contract; we in fact prefer free software over similar (even possibly superiro non-free software). Bob One possibility is to include the Bob non-free directory in the Official CD image, and point the Bob vendors to a statement similar to that in the Social Contract. The Non-free stuff is not part of Debian, and should not be on the official CD. Any such move would dilute the perceived adherence to the DFSG and the social contract. It sounds like you are advocating removal of paragraph 5. of the Social Contract. Perhaps a proposal to modify the Social Contract is in order. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM ThinkPad w/ Debian Linux 1.3.1
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:23:45 From: Kenneth F. Ryder III [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am thinking of buying a IBM ThinkPad 755CD and want to know if Debian Linux 1.3.1 ( which I just ordered) would work well on it (graphical/ CD ROM/ sound /etc. support) If this computer will not work well with Debian Linux 1.3.1 I would not buy it, but I found it at what I think is a good deal ($695, w/ 850Mb hdd, and docking station) and though it would make a good portable programming / work horse. (I'm a computer science student at USM, we program in C++ using Emacs/G++/DDD ) I don't have direct experience with this machine, but I have used a 755C for many years and in some ways it is similar. I also know some friends using 755CX machines, which are much more like the 755CD, and those machines work with Debian. I think you can expect the following: X11 graphics will work, both on the LCD and externally; the CD-ROM will work; the built-in sound can be made to work but it requires a kludge where you boot into DOS first, run some program to initialize it, then boot into linux using a program called LOADLIN; the fax/modem won't work at all; the docking station will work, except that if it is a Dock I, the SCSI support won't work (if it is a Dock II, SCSI is supported). Finally, since you probably don't know, there is a mailing list for ThinkPad users, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]). The people on the list are knowledgeable and experienced, and I found the list invaluable when I was getting started with ThinkPads. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for hamm DISKS
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Christopher J. McNicholas wrote: I'm currently using Debian 1.3 I'd like to upgrade to 2.0-to-be. I only seem to see the actual base install disks, is there an upgrade package somewhere? The upgrade is a bit tricky, see the libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO: (ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/doc/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.txt). This will describe the upgrade process. An easier way to actually perform the upgrade is to use the autoup.sh script at: http://www.taz.net.au/autoup/autoup/ Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Hello, This is a problem of practicality, but I think it can be solved. Everything starts in non-free_2, and for people read the licenses of the important packages. If they meet some criteria, it is moved to non-free_1. A package is important if several users read the read the licenses and vouch that it meets the criteria. I would be willing to read several licenses. I regret the rather unimformative name non-free_1; instead of non-free_1 perhaps we could have directory shareware, another commercial. The important consideration is that the cdrom vendor can distribute the packages legally. As I said in another post (which I won't repeat) I think there's too much good non-free software out there for Debian, or Linux, to ignore. Linux needs all the applications it can get, and the applications should be easy to install. A newbies 2 cents worth King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Scott K. Ellis wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, King Lee wrote: Everything that is in non-free is there because it has a problematic license. Some stuff prohibits charging for distribution, some only a reasonably copying fee. It's too much effort for someone to look through to decide on. Some of stuff in non-free is, in my opinion, rather basic and cdrom vendors should be encouraged to include it. Especially since other vendors include it with their distribution. Are you volunteering to read all the licenses carefully? I considered that once, but gave up after realizing how poorly a lot of the non-free licences were constructed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux wont boot anymore
No, I had been using the 14.4 modem and got tired of it. I was just trying to learn how to make the internal modem work. It has been working under MS for sometime now. I had Linux running since last night, but needed to run a MS program. When I tried to reboot Linux, thats when it hung up. I have tried to reboot it twice after that, and it hangs at the same spot every time. Mike BTW- it is during the /etc/init.d portion of booting that it hangs. It activates the swap, checks the root (fsck?), finds the partition clean, and then it stops. At 11:04 PM 3/30/98 -0500, you wrote: Did you install an internal modem when things quit working? I've seen internal modems that cause this exact problem. Never did figure out why :(. The modem I tried had both jumper selectable IRQ and I/O Port settings but could be made to respond as a Plug'n'Play device too by jumper settings. I had problems with serial ports, parallel port, and floppy anytime this particular modem was plugged in to my ISA bus. --Bob Michael A. Endsley wrote: For some unknown reason, Linux just stopped booting :( It goes through loading the kernel and the other checks till it gets to the fsck area. There it finds that my hda2 is clean (where I have Linux). The hd does some very rapid activity and then after about 3 secs, it just stops! No errors, no other virtual screens to check for anything,...nothing. I have left the machine just sitting there and came back some time later, but still nothing. Earlier today, I had been reading the man on isapnptools for a 'Best Data 33.6' internal modem. I did not run pnpdump or anything else. I tried loading my rescue disk, but it just sat there for several minutes not doing anything either--the led was on the whole time. Any ideals? I hate the thot of starting all over, because without getting the internal modem working, all I have right now is a older 14.4 external, and I had about 450megs of stuff on my linux partition. Thanks, Mike _ If not Amiga, then: Operating System of CHOICE? Debian (Linux) or OS2 Warp3 me @ corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/endsley/ _ _ If not Amiga, then: Operating System of CHOICE? Debian (Linux) or OS2 Warp3 me @ corecom.net http://www.corecom.net/endsley/ _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Suggestion: Re: Hi I want to meet you im a model!
How about putting aol in digest mode with a aol digest as the subject. They can read from the list, but have to get a different isp to get faster and better responses. Brandon P.S. Can we use the $5,000 to cover the mailing list spamming fee :-) - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: Design of Debian web site
On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 04:27:03PM -0500, James A.Treacy wrote: FYI, it has been my intention to have the actual web pages generated using m4. This would allow us to have a generic header and footer (for each language) and have time stamps be generated automatically. Modifying the header or footer in the past has been a royal pain as every page had to be changed by hand. Oh, BTW. Have you tried wml? It's quite handy for these things. My favourite is making the actual files be just almost-xml, and using a template to create the actual page layout. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - it's a valid address w/o spam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, King Lee wrote: I will use the Debian packages when I can. If xv doesn't come with Debian, maybe I will use a substitue if it is imagemagik as functional, or close. However there are packages like netpbm which, to my knowledge cannot be replaced. imagemagik G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson,AZ http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~lapeyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Hi, King == King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: King Some of stuff in non-free is, in my opinion, rather basic and King cdrom vendors should be encouraged to include it. Especially King since other vendors include it with their distribution. Are you volunteering to take personal liability for this action, and to hold harmless any memeber fo Debian for any legal action in this regards, and to accept all resulting damages? manoj -- I had been shopping for plants all day and was on my way home. As I reached an intersection a hedge sprung up obscuring my vision. I did not see the other car. --anonymous Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Hi, Debian is not ognoring non-free software. We maintain it, we support it, it even is available from our ftp site. We do draw the line at promoting it on our official CD, though. Anyone interested can derive a distribution off the Debian distribution, and fill it as chock full of non-free stuff as they care. How come the deafening silence that always meets this proposal? If you believe strongly enough in the non-free software, no on is stoppping you from creating a distribution based on Debian. manoj -- Australia, n. A country lying in the South Sea, whose industrial and commercial development has been unspeakably retarded by an unfortunate dispute among geographers as to whether it is a continent or an island. Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HP DAT drives
Does anyone out there have experience with Hewlett-Packard SCSI DAT drives, specifically the 12/24 GB models? I'm thinking about getting a backup system for my computer (which has 12 GB of HDDs), and this seems to be the best deal out there. Do they cooperate nicely with other devices (HDDs) on a SCSI bus? Does `dump' work okay with them? How loud is one of them; would it wake up me or my roommate when it kicks in for a backup at 3:00 a.m.? Thanks in advance, Ben. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Hi, Alex == [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex I was always amaised how all revolutionaries are alike... You seem to mean this in a pejorative manner (if I am wrong, I apologize). However, if it is pejorative, I am glad -- for that means, deep down, you realize the utter fallacy of your reasoning, for you understand that it can not stand on its own without cheap ad hominem attacks. And thus you make my point. Thank you. Alex All of them want to reach their goals by sacrifycing a little Alex man (a user in our case). Who is sacrificing the user? Even though it is not part of Debian, we maintain non-free software. We support it. The bug tracking system is just as freely available for the non-free stuff as it is for software that is part of Debian. We just refuse to promote it as part of the Debian distribution. In fact, so good is our support for non-free software, just because our users wat it, that some people have the delusion that it is indeed part of Debian. It isnot. Alex And of course, for the purporse to make his life better :) If you bleed so profusely for the common man (though I think the common man is served well enough by Debian), why do I not see you starting a commercial distribution based on Debian? We encourage people to do that. Why is this always met with a deafening silence? manoj -- He who has seen the passing away and rebirth of all beings, free of clinging, blessed, awakened - that is what I call a brahmin. 419 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Hi, Bob == Bob Hilliard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bob Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Official CD I think we should not try to change this trend at all Bob It is bad because it is contrary to section 5. of the Social Bob Contract We encourage CD manufacturers to read the licenses of Bob software packages in these directories and determine if they can Bob distribute that software on their CDs. Have I ever said we remove non-free software? Have I ever said we tell CD vendors not to include it? They are free to look at things and include it if they wish. I have no desire to see debina incurr legal liability just because CD vendors blindly copy what we give them, and we gave them things that were not distributable. Are you volunteering personal liability, and pledging to indemnify debian against all possible legal problems? (I do not even know if that is possible) Bob For the same reasons that we include non-free programs in the Bob archives, we should endeavor to make them available to those Bob users who can not obtain them by ftp (lack of net access, Bob exorbitant on-line or telephone rates, etc.). There are CD vendors who provide non-free on request. We, as Debian, do not have to go out of our way to promote non-free software. BTW, feel free to start a commercial/non-free distribution based on Debian. manoj -- When you're a child, you pledge allegiance to the flag. When you grow up, you swear to uphold the Constitution. Compare and contrast to the President's current actions. Larry Wake ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Thanks for the tip. I will probably replace xv with imagemagik. Netpbm contains a number of programs that can be called from a script. If imagemagik is an X11 program, I may not be able to pipe images. King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, G John Lapeyre wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, King Lee wrote: I will use the Debian packages when I can. If xv doesn't come with Debian, maybe I will use a substitue if it is imagemagik as functional, or close. However there are packages like netpbm which, to my knowledge cannot be replaced. imagemagik G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson,AZ http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~lapeyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
Hi, King == King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: King I hope you continue to support packages like xv and netpbm. I King think there are too many good packages out there for the King freeware community to ignore. If you support them please make King them as easily accessible as possible. As I said before I, and King I am sure others, will use ultra-free software before the King semi-free software, and commercial software as a last resort. Thank you. I do not think we shall ever stop supporting non-free packages, since they are indeed in wide use by our users. And I think that there are vendors who sell parts non-free bundled in with the so called ``official'' CD's, either as an add on, or as a non-official debian cd set. manoj -- I couldn't remember things until I took that Sam Carnegie course. Bill Peterson, former Houston Oiler football coach Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05 CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 problem with Trident card under Debian 1.3.1
My problem is that when X loads, text (like in a menu or in an xterm) is not entirely visible. It looks like it's missing an occasional verticle line or something. Have you tried 'startx -- -bpp 16' ? I have a tgui that did what it sounds like yours is doing... -Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is this a bug? was: Re: broken ncurses?
I had the same experience as Mr. Mills. I manually deleted a broken ncurses link /usr/lib/libncurses.so.3.4 I think it was, and the ld-related warning which used to come up on 'dpkg --install ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-8.deb' dissapeared. dselect now works again. This problem began with the libc6 upgrade, during which I may have made mistakes. Should dpkg report an error in this case instread of a warning, or are there too many simmilar situations in which the warning is irrelevant? __ GNU GPL: The Source will be with you... always. Britton Kerin On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, W Paul Mills wrote: I had a similar problem a while back when I upgraded ncurses. Had to manually delete the existing soft links for ncurses, before running ldconfig. Then all worked OK. On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Britton wrote: I suspect a broken ncurses setup is the root of my problems. The ncurses-base and ncurses-bin packages install fine, but when trying to reinstall ncurses itself I got the following: # dpkg --install ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-8.deb (Reading database ... 28942 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace ncurses3.4 1.9.9g-8 (using ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-8.deb) ... Unpacking replacement ncurses3.4 ... Setting up ncurses3.4 (1.9.9g-8) ... ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/libncurses.so.3.4 (No such file or directory), skipping I suspect that in trying to fix this I managed to annihilate my ncurses.3.4.so file, as bedore something like this showed up (I think in /lib), but now find gives: $ find / -name ncurses* -print /usr/doc/copyright/ncurses-term /usr/doc/ncurses3.4 /usr/doc/ncurses-base /usr/doc/ncurses-bin /usr/doc/ncurses3.0 find: /usr/share/emacs/20.2/site-lisp: Permission denied find: /etc/ppp: Permission denied find: /var/spool/cron/atjobs: Permission denied find: /var/spool/cron/atspool: Permission denied /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-base.preinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-base.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.0.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.0.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-bin.preinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-bin.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-term.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.4.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.4.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.4.shlibs /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-base.postinst /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses-base.conffiles /var/lib/dpkg/info/ncurses3.0.shlibs Anyone know what I should do to rectify this situation? Britton Kerin __ GNU GPL: The Source will be with you... always. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*** Running Debian Linux *** * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 * * W. Paul Mills* Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A.* * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.networksplus.net/wpmills/ * * Bill, I was there several years ago, why would I want to go back? * / -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cannot correctly print non-ascii files
Problem: My HP Laserjet 6L can only print ASCII files correctly. Other files just print things such as ASCII headers on Postscript files. Printing from Netscape also prints out wacky ascii characters. I don't know if this is quite the same error I got originally after installing gs and magicfilter, but it's something to check. My fonts were located in a subdirectory of ghostscript and apparently gs couldn't find them. Set the environment variable GS_LIB to the directory containing the fonts listed in Fontmap. Hope this is your problem :) 5. Maybe the problem isn't with printing per se. Here is an error I get when trying to read a PostScript file generated by Netscape's browser (4.0.4). # ghostview intro.ps A notifier window named information pops up and prints... While reading gs_fonts.ps: Error: /undefinedfilename in (Fontmap) Operand stack: Execution stack: %interp_exit --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- false --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- Dictionary stack: --dict:429/631-- --dict:34/200-- --dict:429/631-- Last OS error: 2 Current file position is 2350 Error: PostScript interpreter failed in main window. Thanks in advance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why does the kernel suck up memory?
jim wrote: I have trouble with the idea that a swap partition is never dropped once it is accessed, especially in light of the following: osiris# cat /proc/meminfo total:used:free: shared: buffers: cached: Mem: 48283648 42934272 5349376 28479488 1650688 16846848 Swap: 949575680 94957568 MemTotal: 47152 kB MemFree: 5224 kB MemShared:27812 kB Buffers: 1612 kB Cached: 16452 kB SwapTotal:92732 kB SwapFree: 92732 kB I am having the reverse problem on my machine at work. It doesn't want to use the swap partition at all unless I force it to. I suppose that is a good thing, but what about: When I go into work I'll switch virt. consoles or type in an xterm and *poof*, there goes the X server. Then I try to run X again and it quits just as it's about to spawn the window manager. Then after I reboot, X starts up fine. This has happened every day since I've ftp-installed debian 1.3. On my previous dist I wrote a program in c that when run as root from a console will allocate all of my available memory and swap and then free it up. After doing this I was able to start X again. But I lost the code when I moved from redhat - debian. The reason I had the code on redhat was for the same problem. But it occured infrequently. Is there something I should upgrade? I have been planning to upgrade Xfree86 to 3.3.2 but I am still a newbie with dselect, etc. I would compile it from source but the same problems happen during a compile. I had to reboot several times to get the kde and kernel sources to finish. Any help is greatly appreciated! :-) Machine: Kernel 2.0.33 X 3.3 Debian 1.3 48meg P133 -mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
On 30 Mar 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, King == King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: King I hope you continue to support packages like xv and netpbm. I King think there are too many good packages out there for the King freeware community to ignore. If you support them please make King them as easily accessible as possible. As I said before I, and King I am sure others, will use ultra-free software before the King semi-free software, and commercial software as a last resort. Thank you. On the contrary, thank you and all other developers for bringing us Debian, GNU, and all the other freeware In reply to another note not included here, it would be impractical for me to create another distribution. But more important, Linux does not need another distribution. Microsoft will dominate the software world unless everyone in the Unix community -- BSD, SCO, RedHat, Debian, and others -- work together to make more software -- free and commercial -- available to as many users as possible on as many platforms as possible. My initial post was a suggestion that the Debian community consider encouraging cdrom vendors to include non-free software. I do not think we shall ever stop supporting non-free packages, since they are indeed in wide use by our users. And I think that there are vendors who sell parts non-free bundled in with the so called ``official'' CD's, either as an add on, or as a non-official debian cd set. I will look for those vendors King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Utilities to access the BIOS?
Just wondering whether there are any utilities/methods of accessing the BIOS? I have Debian on a Toshiba 1960CS notebook and wanted to access/change the APM options (power management, etc). I've tried the APM package but things didn't work out so well (I recompiled for APM as well) ... I guess my system's BIOS is too old (1993/1994), so I was considering writing a utility to access the BIOS. But as I have no idea of how to do this, thought I'd first ask here if any utilities exist. Thanks for your help! Nebu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 problem with Trident card under Debian 1.3.1
Had the same problem. Your most likely operating in an 8bpp mode. Up the default color depth to 16bpp and this should get rid of the display problem. -- tony mollica [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: Hello, OOPS - I did not mean to start a flame war. May I give a little more context to my original post? I will use the Debian packages when I can. If xv doesn't come with Debian, maybe I will use a substitue if it is as functional, or close. Have a look at `display' from the imagemagic package. It has at least the same amount of options as xv has, though not exactly the same ones. However there are packages like netpbm which, to my knowledge cannot be replaced. If this package was not available as a debian package, I would have to go with another distribution or hunt the net for the tarball and compile it. However, netpbm is available from debian.org, so I will download it. A pain since I have a bad connection. I have always been surprised that xpaint more or less depends on this, but still is in the main distribution, not in contrib. I also found that some of the netpbm utilities are incapable of handling really big files, so a replacement for these utils would indeed be nice. I hope you continue to support packages like xv and netpbm. I think there are too many good packages out there for the freeware community to ignore. If you support them please make them as easily accessible as possible. I basicly agree with this, but I think the debian project should try and find free replacements for these popular non-free packages. I believe xv's functionality can be replaced by display, and maybe electric eye that comes with gnome. Maybe it would be a good idea to make a list of popular non-free apps, and their free replacements if there are any. Eric Meijer -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: idle users...
On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Paul Miller wrote: : : Lately, I've noticed that when I exit xterm, it doesn't log me off.. : : paul ttyp3Mar 28 15:33 old (:0.0) : paul ttyp4Mar 28 14:24 old (:0.0) : : Today is March 30th and I have idled set to kick idle users off after 120 : minutes.. idled only kicked one of three 'ghost users' off, the other two : have been logged on for two days now.. How can I kick them off? They're : not running any programs -- not even a shell. So they're not logged in at all, no consuming of memory etc, but just a bug in the wtmp-routines of xterm. Maybe updating xterm helps. Remco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stopping pppd redial with persistent connection
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How do I get pppd to block totally when this happens. Ideally this should stop pppd from dialing at all till someone manually restarts it. Use diald to maintain the link, and set dial-fail-limit: DIALD(8) DIALD(8) dial-fail-limit Sets the maximum number of consecutive failed connection attempts diald will allow. If this limit is exceeded diald will block further connec tions until an unblock command is issued on the command FIFO. If this is set to 0 diald will not enforce any limit. The default value is 0. When this condition occurs diald will issue the follow ing message to the system logs: Too many dialing failures in a row. Blocking con nection. This command is intended for use at sites that need to avoid the possibility of diald attempting a large number of long distance phone calls to a machine that is not operating correctly. Once diald blocks the connection an operator can investigate the cause, correct the problem, and then issue the unblock command to allow diald to continue. Cheers, Phil. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mouse problem
Hi, My mouse is on /dev/ttyS1. however, since a few days, gpm and X don't react any more to mouse movements/clicks. i don't know much about mouse configuration, but cat /dev/ttyS0 gives an IO error, while cat /dev/ttyS1 doesn't, so i assume the system detects 'something' but it isn't configured well. Any idea what can be wrong? jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
aliases trashed
During a recent hamm upgrade, I ended up with this; yodeller# ls -l aliases* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 714 Mar 25 15:08 aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1139 Jul 13 1997 aliases.1997-08-30.00:33:22 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 66 Nov 30 12:23 aliases.dpkg-dist My original aliases file was gone; I don't think I would have told dpkg to overwrite it, and doesn't it keep it as .dpkg-old or anything like that anyway? It has been running without some important system aliases for like a week now. I wouldn't have named a file like that either, and the date in the name is newer than the file date, but still ancient. To say this is unacceptable is the understatement of the year. How could it happen? Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stopping pppd redial with persistent connection
Philip Hands wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How do I get pppd to block totally when this happens. Ideally this should stop pppd from dialing at all till someone manually restarts it. Use diald to maintain the link, and set dial-fail-limit: Use dctrl as a front-end to control diald: pick the block option from the pull-down menus -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mouse problem
Jan Ramon wrote: Hi, My mouse is on /dev/ttyS1. however, since a few days, gpm and X don't react any more to mouse movements/clicks. i don't know much about mouse configuration, but cat /dev/ttyS0 gives an IO error, while cat /dev/ttyS1 doesn't, so i assume the system detects 'something' but it isn't configured well. Any idea what can be wrong? No, but try using gpmconfig to reconfigure it. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 problem with Trident card under Debian 1.3.1
This is a known problem and is listed in the Xfree86 FAQ. Try adding Option noaccel to the XF86Config file. You can add this option using the XF86Setup where you choose your type of chip. On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 03:43:32PM -0800, Eric Nystrom wrote: Hello! I have a Pentium 120 with a Trident TGUI9680 card with 2mb RAM coupled to a HP monitor upon which I installed Debian 1.3.1 from a CD. I installed the SVGA server, because it was supposed to support my card, and made sure the monitor settings are correct. I believe I chose the correct settings for the card, based on the information I got in the README (chose the TGUI9680 card definition, no RAMDAC, no clock chip). My problem is that when X loads, text (like in a menu or in an xterm) is not entirely visible. It looks like it's missing an occasional verticle line or something. Bold text displays perfectly, as do graphics. I have tried both the VGA_16 server and the MONO server, and neither of them display this problem. I also tried reinstalling the SVGA server, and the xbase package, but neither had any effect. What can I do to fix this? Thank you for any and all help. Eric Nystrom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SAMBA w/ TCP/IP
I've heard about SAMBA! SAMBA uses NetBeui to do Network Neighborhood? If uses my wokgroup will be based on NetBeui and I'll get colised again. If what i want is use only TCP/IP in my Network... SAMBA'S NetBeui woks encapsuled on TCP (IP os UDP)? When I get to configure my Windows95/NT Network Clients i will use the Microsof Network Client in the same way I even do? TIA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HP DAT drives
Hi Ben, One of my colleagues has a 12/24GB DDS-3 HP tape drive and hasn't had any problems with his RedHat 5 installation nor with his hard drives. He has a motherboard with onboard SCSI. I believe that his hard drives are both wide SCSI devices connected to the wide channel/connector and his CD-ROM drive and tape drive are both connected to the narrow SCSI connector on his motherboard. Both the wide and narrow connectors are on the same SCSI host. His onboard SCSI controller is an Adaptec 2490 (7880 chipset). -Ossama __ Ossama Othman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- PGP Keys --- Public: http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/staff/othman/OO_PUBLIC.asc REVOKED: http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/staff/othman/OO_REVOKED.asc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HP DAT drives
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Ben Pfaff wrote: Does anyone out there have experience with Hewlett-Packard SCSI DAT drives, specifically the 12/24 GB models? I'm thinking about getting a backup system for my computer (which has 12 GB of HDDs), and this seems to be the best deal out there. Do they cooperate nicely with other devices (HDDs) on a SCSI bus? Does `dump' work okay with them? How loud is one of them; would it wake up me or my roommate when it kicks in for a backup at 3:00 a.m.? Ben, I have one of the smaller HP DAT drives. It is dead. HP wants $25/hour to merely discuss the repair. Unless you have some compelling reason to use HP, or DAT, you might consider an alternative to HP. I have used Travan4 drives, though this may not have the capacity you require. Just a piqued ex- HP dat drive user's comment. To try to answer part of your question: I have used SCSI drives of several varieties and manufacturers. I have never had an incompatibilty to occur -- except when I put two devices on the bus with the same scsi ID ;) or had a bad cable (obviously my responsibility.) That is the one great thing about SCSI devices. If anyone knows where I might get my drive repaired - without giving up blood or body parts prior to the repair, I'd appreciate a note. Ben, I wish you luck in your search. --David Thanks in advance, Ben. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- LINUX: the FREE 32 bit OS for [3456]86 PC's available NOW! David B Teague | Ask me how user interface copyrights software [EMAIL PROTECTED] | patents make programing a dangerous business. spy counter-intelligence wild porno sex gold bullion Soviet Bosnia clipper National Security Council explosion Treasury terrorist Delta Force bomb Iran Mossad data encryption munitions Serbian hydrazine ammonium nitrate fuel oil cocaine assassinate counterfeit destabilize -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ext2fs: bad blocks handling
Dear Debian users, Does anybody know how are handled the bad blocks on an ext2fs partition? Is there an automatic handling or must I always use the badblocks command and update the badblocks list with e2fsck? -- __ Cedric Bapst / /__ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / / D e b i a n G N U \ \/ / / / __ __ __ \ / / / / / / _ \ / / / / / \ ...Look out Bill, / /___ / / / / ) // (_/ / / /\ \ here comes... (__)(_/ (_/ (_/ \/ (_/ \_) ___ http://www.debian.org ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SAMBA w/ TCP/IP
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Leonardo Ruoso wrote: I've heard about SAMBA! SAMBA uses NetBeui to do Network Neighborhood? If uses my wokgroup will be based on NetBeui and I'll get colised again. If what i want is use only TCP/IP in my Network... SAMBA'S NetBeui woks encapsuled on TCP (IP os UDP)? When I get to configure my Windows95/NT Network Clients i will use the Microsof Network Client in the same way I even do? Yes. With samba, you can get everything (and more) that windows95's peer-to-peer networking does. You can get almost everything (but also more) that windows nt does. Install the samba package and read the docs in /usr/doc/samba and read the lot of docs that come with the package. Cheers, Joost -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message
Hi guys, Message is undeliverable. Reason: User [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not found in the cc:Mail Directory. Original text follows: Everytime I send a message to the Debian list, I get the below response from [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, in all cases I sent no Cc or message to France (fr, right?) Suggestions? Thanks, -Ossama -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SAMBA w/ TCP/IP
On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 09:03:39AM -0300, Leonardo Ruoso wrote: I've heard about SAMBA! SAMBA uses NetBeui to do Network Neighborhood? If uses my wokgroup will be based on NetBeui and I'll get colised again. If what i want is use only TCP/IP in my Network... SAMBA'S NetBeui woks encapsuled on TCP (IP os UDP)? When I get to configure my Windows95/NT Network Clients i will use the Microsof Network Client in the same way I even do? Almost right. Samba uses NetBIOS. NetBEUI is a protocol, ie lives at the same OSI layer as TCP/IP. NetBIOS sits at a higher layer (session would be my guess). Windows can do NetBIOS on almost any protocol -- NetBEUI, TCP/IP and IPX/SPX at least. So yes, install TCP/IP on the clients, as well as the Microsoft Networking client and you should be fine. You can use the IP addresses 192.168.x.y if you don't have any official ones, eg 192.168.0.1, 192.168.0.2 etc. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
exim for intermittent ppp connection? Also fetchmail bombs out.
I'm wondering if exim can solve my problem with mail. I am having some trouble with fetchmail. I posted to this list previously, But am uncertain that my message got through. I installed sendmail, and am uncertain I have it right. Smail worked will for quite a long time. After a recent upgrade I saw some traffic on this list about needing to reconfigure smail: that was a nightmare, having taken months when I finally did get it going. Now do it again? I'm not sure I ever understood---wrong, I'm sure I never did. Sendmail is apparently working, but I'm not in command here either. Someone on the list warned that smail has been going strange places, which prompted my change: I thought it might solve my problem with fetchmail. Wrong. Fetchmail's problem --- crashing during the middle of the first message retrieval, every time, with an SMTP error because of failure to connect---still continues. I looked at exim. Can exim do queues? That is, can mail be queued and send out (like runq) at the time of ppp connection? That's critical. Exim seems to be saying it's best at managing systems that are connected full time. Leaving all those aside for a moment? Is it true about smail? Alan Davis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FAQ suggestion - mem 64M
It seems to me that as more powerful systems are becoming common, this 64M limit will be hit by more and more 'newbies' - perhaps it should be in a FAQ? Or, I wonder, perhaps mentioned in the lilo.conf manpage - although it is a boot param, lilo.conf is where I first thought of looking, having some vague memory that it was 'a LILO thing...'. Kudos, BTW, to the maintainers/creators of the mailing list search and browse feature. *Very* useful indeed. Not really worth archiving locally with that power on the web... Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SAMBA w/ TCP/IP
I thought SAMBA uses Netbios which can be tunneled through any protocol? Tcpi/ip, ipx/spx, or netbeui? Carroll Kong On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Leonardo Ruoso wrote: I've heard about SAMBA! SAMBA uses NetBeui to do Network Neighborhood? If uses my wokgroup will be based on NetBeui and I'll get colised again. If what i want is use only TCP/IP in my Network... SAMBA'S NetBeui woks encapsuled on TCP (IP os UDP)? When I get to configure my Windows95/NT Network Clients i will use the Microsof Network Client in the same way I even do? TIA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: URGENT: Problems with bash_2.01.1-1_i386.deb pkg.
** Confidential ** Thanks to all of you who replied already. I have found out that I can mount the floppy if I install modules by hand, i.e. insmod nls than insmod fat and finally insmod msdos. Than I tried to downgrade the bash package to the one that used to work (bash_2.01-5.deb) which I have on a floppy, but without any luck (same result as before- package shows up as half-configured, and when I do dpkg --configure bash it tells me that package is in a bad, inconsistent shape and needs to be reinstalled). I checked and I do have libreadline2 and libreadlineg2 installed from 2.01-5 bash, properly configured. Same for the ncurses3.4. Can I : a) install ash INSTEAD of the bash and remove the bash completely then reinstall it fresh? b) if someone would be kind enough to send me their /var/lib/dpkg/updates/bash.* files from 2.01-5 bash installation ^^ I'm not sure this is right since it appears this is where my problem is? Again, please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TIA Damir Daniel Martin at cush [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30 10:13 AM Here's what I'd do - install the ash from hamm, then do: ln -sf ash /bin/sh Then, edit your /etc/passwd file (with vi, probably) and change the top line so that it contains '/bin/ash' instead of '/bin/bash' - root should now be able to log in, at least. Damir Naden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ** Confidential ** snipped -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XFree86 gamma correction
My XFree86 stuff looks much darker than on PCs or Macs... sounds like a gamma problem to me. Anyone have any pointers to docs on setting up gamma on XFree86? Doesn't seem to be a how-to on it. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
problem with 3Com 3509B: can send but can;t receive
Hi, I'm trying to install Debian on a Compaq Deskpro XL 566. Since I couldn't get the onboard Ethernet board to work (I found the HOW-TO but didn't succeed) I decided to plugin a 3Com 3C509B 10Base-T board which I have lying around. I reinstalled Debian (since I had some other trouble also) and included the 3C509B. It gets loaded and configured at login just fine. My IP-address is ok, the board is up. When I ping another machine on the same network I see arp-packets arriving at the other machine (tcpdump) and my second also sends answers back. However nothing arrives on my Deskpro. Also when I do tcpdump on my Deskpro nothing is going over the network so apparently I can send packets but cannot receive antyhing. Any ideas on how to solve this? aTdHvAaNnKcSe Nico -- -- Nico De Ranter Sony Objective Composer (SOCOM) Sint Stevens Woluwestraat 55 (Rue de Woluwe-Saint-Etienne) 1130 Brussel (Bruxelles), Belgium, Europe, Earth Telephone: +32 2 724 86 41 Telefax: +32 2 726 26 86 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: You've won $5,000! -off topic
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Keith Matthews wrote: : To whoever cares. : : I read this list all the time as I am a new inexperienced user. : Between the Hi I'm Sandra series of messages and this one telling us : we all won $5,000.00 it is pretty obvious AOL users have no business : on this forum and nothing to offer us except continued annoyance. Most AOL users aren't exactly guru material, but does that mean we should exclude them? Where does it end? I would say no we should not...I could see if it became a real problembut hell... ive seen what 3-4 spam messsages over the past 2 weeks...just in complaining about spam on here more messages have been sent than actual spam AOL is huge...there must be a few people on there who are looking to have themselves converted :) -Steve If you don't want to read email from folks at AOL, that's your business. See http://www.best.com/~ii/internet/faqs/launchers/mail/filtering-faq/ if that's the case. -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP Key: (0xA33B86E9) PS If you forward spam from AOL to [EMAIL PROTECTED] they'll know it happened and be able to do something about it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: URGENT: Problems with bash_2.01.1-1_i386.deb pkg.
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Damir Naden wrote: Can I : a) install ash INSTEAD of the bash and remove the bash completely then reinstall it fresh? If you can install _and_ properly run ash, then you could either: exec ash dpkg --purge bash dpkg -i bash.deb bash (see if it works now) or replace bash with ash in /etc/passwd and try to fix bash b) if someone would be kind enough to send me their /var/lib/dpkg/updates/bash.* files from 2.01-5 bash installation ^^ I'm not sure this is right since it appears this is where my problem is? I think you mean /var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.* ? If you still need those, mail me and I'll send you mine. I can also send you the appropriate bash and libreadline binaries if you want. Good luck, Joost -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XFree86 gamma correction
Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My XFree86 stuff looks much darker than on PCs or Macs... sounds like a gamma problem to me. Anyone have any pointers to docs on setting up gamma on XFree86? Doesn't seem to be a how-to on it. Jules The only pointers I can offer you are the XFree86 and XF86Config man pages - looking at the man pages, it appears that you can test out gamma correction with: startx -- -gamma value Where value is from 0.1 to 1.0 (if you're already running an X, say because you're using xdm, you'll have to do: startx -- :1 -gamma value ) You can also specify gamma values for each individual color by using startx -- -rgamma rval -ggamma gval -bgamma bval Once you've gotten the Gamma correction you think you need, you can add a line like Gamma value or Gamma rval gval bval To the Monitor section of your /etc/X11/XF86Config file (right above the Mode lines). I've found that http://www.seas.gwu.edu/student/gritz/gamma.html has a nice chart for eyeballing one's gamma factor. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(hamm) /dev/psaux: device not supported
device not supported /dev/psaux with frozen hamm ! It was working before I install the most recent upgrade of xlib6-3.3.2 ... perhaps do i have to rerun a MAKEDEV...? -- Laurent GIRAUD Centre for Systems Engineering and Applied Mechanics (CESAME) Universite catholique de Louvain Batiment Euler -- Av. Georges Lemaitre, 4 B-1348 Louvain-la-Neuve -- Belgium Tel : +32-10-47 8055 Fax : +32-10-47 2180 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
I hope you like it . I haven't used it too much. It comes with alot of things including a command line conversion filter that handles a large number of formats. I found it easier to do many conversions with imagemagick than with netpbm On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, King Lee wrote: Thanks for the tip. I will probably replace xv with imagemagik. Netpbm contains a number of programs that can be called from a script. If imagemagik is an X11 program, I may not be able to pipe images. King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson,AZ http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~lapeyre -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with 3Com 3509B: can send but can;t receive
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Nico De Ranter wrote: I'm trying to install Debian on a Compaq Deskpro XL 566. Since I couldn't get the onboard Ethernet board to work (I found the HOW-TO but didn't succeed) I decided to plugin a 3Com 3C509B 10Base-T board which I have lying around. I reinstalled Debian (since I had some other trouble also) and included the 3C509B. It gets loaded and configured at login just fine. My IP-address is ok, the board is up. When I ping another machine on the same network I see arp-packets arriving at the other machine (tcpdump) and my second also sends answers back. However nothing arrives on my Deskpro. Also when I do tcpdump on my Deskpro nothing is going over the network so apparently I can send packets but cannot receive antyhing. Any ideas on how to solve this? You can transmit, but you can't receive: that sounds like an interrupt not working/getting detected by the kernel. Maybe something on the board is eating the interrupt, or it is somehow disabled by the bios. Did everything work with the 3Com drivers floppy? I don't know how to fix it, but this may get you a little further. Cheers, Joost -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Setting up a router/firewall
I have to change all Internet adresses in my company to Intranet Adresses and I want to use Debian as the Router/Firewall/DHCP Server. Everything I'will need is freeware? If I do this people in the Internet or accessing tru an ISP will cannot see any station in my company? The VPN's with Windows NT will not work unless I put the NT Server outside the Firewall? How can I grant Gateway for Netware continue working if they are separeted by a linux firewall? I will try to explain better. In our site http://www.opovo.com.br there-s an option where people can search our classifieds (classificados) and the files the CGI access are in the NetWare File Server. How can I grant this access? Can I? TIA Leonardo Ruoso -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HP DAT drives
I've seen others here on the list cast a dark eye towards HP DAT drives. We use one here in the office (yes, we too use dump) and I like it just fine. I just wish I had a DDS2 unit. Anyway I'd say that the only acceptable alternative would be an 8mm system. I would not recommend Travan. Why? For me I can stop at one reason: media cost. Here's some example pricing for Travan 3 (1600MB native), Travan 4 (4GB native), and 4mm DAT 90M (2.0 GB native), 4mm DAT 120M DDS2 (4.0GB native) and 8mm 112M (2.5 GB native) taken from my most recent Micro Warehouse catalog (all for quantity 1): 3M Travan 3$33.99 Sony Travan 3 $31.99 Sony Travan 4 $35.99 Maxell Travan 3 $27.50 (reflects $10 on 2-pack) Sony 4mm 90M $7.49 Sony 4mm 120M $13.49 Sony 8mm 112M $6.69 Maxell 4mm 90M $7.49 Maxell 4mm 120M $13.49 Maxell 8mm 112M $6.69 3M 4mm 90M $7.49 3M 4mm 120M $15.99 3M 8mm 112M $7.19 See what I mean? Maybe this isn't a big factor to you but it makes a difference to me. Given the fact to you can get a used 4mm DDS drive for $200, I personally would give Travan a miss. Also I would want to get a drive where I can shuttle tapes to/from work since we've got a much faster internet connection there for downloading whole debian distributions and the like. Any, just a datapoint. If you want some pointers to cheap sources of used (have you looked at the prices for new DAT drives?) drives, let me know. Ben Pfaff wrote: Does anyone out there have experience with Hewlett-Packard SCSI DAT drives, specifically the 12/24 GB models? I'm thinking about getting a backup system for my computer (which has 12 GB of HDDs), and this seems to be the best deal out there. Do they cooperate nicely with other devices (HDDs) on a SCSI bus? Does `dump' work okay with them? How loud is one of them; would it wake up me or my roommate when it kicks in for a backup at 3:00 a.m.? Thanks in advance, Ben. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
frivolity: the joystick
OK, I had to do it. Radio shack had $15 joysticks with a $15 rebate, and I took one for the kids machine at home, which runs the darkside (and for which I have a flight simulator). About 3 days later, the plug was pulled on my consulting project, and the machine went back. So now I want to connect it to my machine. But looking through the kernel build, i see no drivers. Is there a way to get it to produce xevents taht I could map to keys? rick -- These opinions will not be those of ISU until it pays my retainer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HP DAT drives
Any, just a datapoint. If you want some pointers to cheap sources of used (have you looked at the prices for new DAT drives?) drives, let me know. Right: $881 is lowest I found for a 12/24 GB. If you'd pass along those pointers, I'd greatly appreciate it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lsof -i
Hi, I have build lsof for my system using the Debian, that is: dpkg-source -x lsof*something*.dsc cd lsof-something* dpkg-buildpackage Everithing seems Ok in the package building And Installed the packages. Nor the bo nor hamm versions show me the the Internet files/iNet sockets? Why? The lsof program was build with the System.map used in the current kernel: 2.0.33 (this was a problem that had on another machine) Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Ulisses -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SAMBA w/ TCP/IP
Wrong. Samba uses NetBT (otherwise known as NetBIOS over TCP/IP). It doesn't use NetBEUI, which is a protocol which sits directly on top of the media layer (ethernet) and is proprietary. And to correct those who would say otherwise, NetBIOS *is not* a protocol. It is an interface (API). Please read Internet Standard 19 (RFCs 1001, 1002) for more details. So, Samba will only use tcp/ip. Samba will interoperate with your Win95 boxes running Microsoft Networking. When you go to Network Neighborhood samba will show up along with all your Win95 boxes. You can share files and printers from your Linux box. Leonardo Ruoso wrote: I've heard about SAMBA! SAMBA uses NetBeui to do Network Neighborhood? If uses my wokgroup will be based on NetBeui and I'll get colised again. If what i want is use only TCP/IP in my Network... SAMBA'S NetBeui woks encapsuled on TCP (IP os UDP)? When I get to configure my Windows95/NT Network Clients i will use the Microsof Network Client in the same way I even do? -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: non-free software
You (E.L. Meijer \(Eric\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Bob Hilliard wrote: Although my response to King Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] started this thread, the quotation you attribute to me was not written by me. I believe, but am not sure, that it was written by Mr. Lee. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard[EMAIL PROTECTED] |_) (_) |_) Palm City, FL USAPGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
printer/fax/copier recommendations?
Is anyone using any of the combination printer/fax/copier units with linux? There are some units where the fax and copier features explicitly state that the pc is not required. But I'm concerned that the printer is some kind of win-printer similar to the win-modems. Does anyone have any experience with these? I'm looking at HP, Canon, and Xerox combination units, but so far their tech support has been pretty lame. (You don't have win95, I've never had anyone ask about solaris or linux. Why do you want it on a network with an HP JetDirect print server?) I downloaded the hamm magicfilter, but I didn't see anything to support the combo units. Any web resource suggestions would be welcome. If anyone is wondering about my fetchmail with ssh question, I'll post an update after I get port 110 blocked on the firewall. Thanks, -- Lee Bradshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) Alantro Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: boot/physical security?
It's set to boot from /dev/hda1. Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: Perhaps your /etc/lilo.conf is not putting the boot record where you want it. Do you have a line in there that says 'boot=/dev/hda' or 'boot=/dev/hda1'? The former will replace the MBR. Ian Eure wrote: Hi there, just a quick question. As an old slackware user, I usually have a restricted boot with a password in my lilo setup, as well as an entry for the floppy drive in my system- so, the system boots from drive c, hits lilo, and boots linux with the default parameters; if you have the password, you can boot from a floppy or give the kernel evtra parameters. the bios has a password as well. i found that this was a pretty good way to discourage some of the bootfloppy/'linux single'/script kiddie hacker-types around my school. however, with debian (bo), the actual MBR boot block allows you to boot from a different partition, or even a floppy, with no authentication at all- even worse, you access it in the same waym by holding down control during the boot. I noticed that lilo was setup to use /boot/boot.b as default, while slackware always used /boot/any_d.b - but when i tell lilo to use any_d.b (verified as being in /boot), it complains loudly about not finding my /dev/hda1 - any suggestions? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestion: Re: Hi I want to meet you im a model!
Brandon Mitchell wrote: How about putting aol in digest mode with a aol digest as the subject. They can read from the list, but have to get a different isp to get faster and better responses. I don't see how this woul dhelpfor a while (untill about a week ago) I was subscribed to this list in digest mode, yet I was still able to post to the list quite easilly. This would do nothing to stop spammers, only to force AOL users who wish to read this listI didn't realize one of the goals here was to get people to stop using AOL (not that I like AOL...I actually rather dislike them, but AOL has alot of users...only a very few are spammers) Brandon P.S. Can we use the $5,000 to cover the mailing list spamming fee :-) THAT sounds like an excellent idea BTW I have noticed sometimes the same spammer repeats their post days later... why not just exclud eposts from their adress the first time they do it? (until they pay the fee of course) - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -=Signature has been removed because it made an unfair comparison between NT 4 and Linux =- replacement: (ok I admit...I am bored..its a slow day at work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$fortune -o Anything more than 3 shakes is for fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Non-Free Software
I am curious as to what the problem is with the current system of distribution whereby Debian is distributed 'pure' on CD. And those users who have no problem with non-free liscences are free to download non-free debian packages from the Debian FTP site and mirrors thereof? Thanks, Timothy. -- E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 31-Mar-98 Time: 12:27:00 This message was sent by XFMail -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
19980331 Work-Needing and Prospective Packages
Work-Needing and Prospective Packages for Debian GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] $Id: prospective-packages.html,v 1.8 1998/03/31 16:29:54 johnie Exp $ This document is intended to identify areas that need your contributions. It provides information that hopefully changes quite often, so it supplements the regular Debian Developer documentation: [1]http://www.debian.org/developers_corner.html. This document provides the current list of packages which are either: * orphaned, * withdrawn from the unstable distribution, * maintained but its developer would like to find a new person, * currently being worked on to include in the distribution, and * good ideas -- they would be nice to have, but no one is yet working on them. New versions of this document will be available via FTP and HTTP: * [2]http://www.debian.org/doc/prospective-packages.html * [3]ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/package-developer/prospective-p ackages.txt * [4]ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/package-developer/prospective-p ackages.html Please send additions, corrections, suggestions and wishes to the WNPP maintainer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Please mention which version of this document your comments refer. Try to change the subject of your mail to reflect the packages you're talking about, it makes it easier for to sort out all Re: Work-Needing and Prospective Packages emails. A suggested subject line reads WNPP: removing foopackage or WNPP: working on barpackage. Thanks. _ Recent Changes Since version 1998/03/24 Packages needing a new maintainer * The xftp and icmake packages are now orphaned. * The doc-linux suite of HOWTO packages and the xlockmore packages are offered by Dirk Eddelbuettel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * The nn newsreader is offered by Mike Coleman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * A Z80 emulator, xzx, is offered by Juan Cespedes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Packages adopted * The Xfree86 suite is adopted by Branden Robinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED], IRC Overfiend). * The pciutils package is adopted by Joel Klecker ([EMAIL PROTECTED], IRC Espy). * The suidmanager package is adopted by Adam Klein ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * The libident package is adopted by Paul Slootmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * The xsnow and xarchie packages are adopted by Martin Schulze ([EMAIL PROTECTED], IRC Joey). * The gv package, a PostScript viewer, has been adopted by Marco Pistore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * The ucblogo package is adopted by Chris Fearnley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * The Afterstep packages ascd, ascdc, asmail, asmixer, and asmodem are adopted by Fredrik Hallenberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Packages being created * A PGP key server daemon, pks, is being packaged by Joel Klecker ([EMAIL PROTECTED], IRC Espy). * Xdir, the child of xftp, is being packaged by Sudhakar Chandrasekharan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * A package of sound-recorder is being prepared by its author, Bart Warmerdam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * The Eli compiler construction kit is being packaged by Ed Petron ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * KTH Kerberos is being packaged by Gregory S. Stark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * TKhylafax, a graphical front-end to hylafax-client, is being packaged by Behan Webster ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * A RT-Linux kernel patch is being prepared by Fabien Ninoles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * Classic awk is being packaged by Santiago Vila ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). * Japhar, a JVM, is being worked on by Jim Pick ([EMAIL PROTECTED], IRC jpick). Packages someone could package for Debian 2.1 * The operator shell (http://www.engarde.com/~mcn/osh.html). * The transparent cryptographic filesystem (http://tcfs.dia.unisa.it/). * The CODA filesystem (http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu/). * Secure remote password (http://jafar.stanford.edu/srp/). * The Linux BLAS, FFTs, general utilities and libraries, and library support for Extended Precision Arithmetic (http://www.cs.utk.edu/~ghenry/distrib). * The ccmalloc memory profiler and malloc debugger. _ Orphaned packages An orphaned package is a package that has no current maintainer. Please inform the WNPP maintainer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) via e-mail: * when you find that you need to orphan a package, * when you believe that the following list is incomplete, or * when you would like to
Re: Fw: Design of Debian web site
For those of you who don't know, I am the current webmaster for Debian. I just heard of this thread yesterday and was going to read the debian-user archive, but won't bother as the discussion has been moved. Future replies will not go to debian-user so subscribe to debian-www if you are interested in this. Thomas Apel wrote: Concerning the topic I think the most important thing about the Debian www site is its content. Besides this it should be fast-loading and easy to use with any browser. But I also think that a good design is a nice thing AND possible without loosing the above attributes. Good design does not necessarily mean frames, tons of graphics or java animations. If you had been involved in previous discussions, you would know that the developers felt very strongly that there should be NO forms or java on the pages and that the amount of graphics should be minimized. Tables are well enough supported now that there is no problem in using them. Who is interested in what I think of might have a look at: http://www.koeln.netsurf.de/~thomas.apel/debian/index.html Although this is a pretty simple page compared to many other sites I could even imagine a more simple page without tables. The page you designed is very much along the lines I had been thinking about. Many people have been complaining (and just as many complimenting) the site. I have encouraged every person who has written complaining about the site to offer suggestions and not a single one has actually come back with anything constructive. Thank you for your effort. I have been working on getting all the mirrors set up so we can easily handle multiple languages (will be done using content negotiation). It was originally hoped that the pages would be translated by the release of 2.0. As that doesn't appear likely, it would be best to make these modifications before a major translation effort to minimize the work of the translators. Here are some points that should be addressed/discussed: Should we only redesign the top page, or modify all the pages to use frames (in particular the left margin or top frame to ease moving around the site)? My feeling is to leave the other pages as is. There should be a place for the Debian logo (do not start a discussion on the quality of the logo. This will be discussed somewhere else). Should we use style sheets? Is there any point in keeping the site index? I inherited it and have (sort of) maintained it, but don't see the point. There needs to be space at the bottom for the logo of the site sponsor. After the pages are translated, there will be links at the bottom to access the page in specific languages. This is for those who don't set up the preferred_language variable in their browser. FYI, it has been my intention to have the actual web pages generated using m4. This would allow us to have a generic header and footer (for each language) and have time stamps be generated automatically. Modifying the header or footer in the past has been a royal pain as every page had to be changed by hand. Is it necessary to have both the left frame and titlebar links? A few specific changes: We go International - Debian goes International (We doesn't work well here) Bug Tracking - Bug Tracking System Jay Treacy Why don't you start a competition? Invite everyone to have a go at redesigning a set part of the site, then take the best ideas and apply them to the whole site. Just an idea. Graham Pople ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) SNES emulators at Emulation One (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/index.htm) All emulators at E1 Newsletter (http://www.jalna.demon.co.uk/e1news.htm) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
compiling kernel 2.0.33, libc6-dev
Hi, The 2.0.32 kernel did wonderful things for my adaptec 2940-uw, but 2.0.33 has been out for quite a while now, and I was thinking about compiling a new kernel. I'm not at all sure how libc6-dev 's dependency on stable 2.0.32 kernel-headers pertains to compiling a 2.0.33 kernel. Is 2.0.33 implicitly unstable, or can someone please clarify this matter? Also, why does the libc6-dev maintainer say that kernel-source does not provide kernel-headers, when the packages say that they do (in bug track)? Are there any other issues I should be aware of when compiling a 2.0.33 kernel, like bugs, or a new compiler I should be using? -- David Stern -- http://weber.u.washington.edu/~kotsya [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suggestion: Re: Hi I want to meet you im a model!
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Stephen Carpenter wrote: Brandon Mitchell wrote: How about putting aol in digest mode with a aol digest as the subject. They can read from the list, but have to get a different isp to get faster and better responses. I don't see how this woul dhelpfor a while (untill about a week ago) I was subscribed to this list in digest mode, yet I was still able to post to the list quite easilly. I should have been more descriptive when I said digest mode. This was done a while back on debian-devel when a poster was constantly posting annoying messages that many didn't want filling up their mail box, but we didn't want to completely remove their ability to post. What happens is the posters messages for that day are queued and then sent as one easy to delete digest of messages _from_ that user. This is unrelated to the digest feature of the mailing list when messages are queued before being sent _to_ a user. Sorry about any confusion, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know linux is great... it PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] does infinite loops in 5 seconds Phone: (757) 221-4847 --Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exim for intermittent ppp connection? Also fetchmail bombs out.
I looked at exim. Can exim do queues? That is, can mail be queued and send out (like runq) at the time of ppp connection? That's critical. Exim seems to be saying it's best at managing systems that are connected full time. That's what I'm doing right here. And I don't remember having any trouble installing (I don't even remeber installing ;-)) It's nice and easy system. --j -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (hamm) /dev/psaux: device not supported
Laurent GIRAUD wrote: device not supported /dev/psaux with frozen hamm ! It was working before I install the most recent upgrade of xlib6-3.3.2 I had no such problem with installing this package. ... perhaps do i have to rerun a MAKEDEV...? does /dev/psaux still exist? ls -l /dev/psaux crw--- 1 root sys 10, 1 Mar 31 07:50 /dev/psaux apart from the date and time, it should look like that. Where does the error message appear? -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exim for intermittent ppp connection? Also fetchmail bombs out.
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:01:58 +1000, Alan Eugene Davis wrote: I'm wondering if exim can solve my problem with mail. I am having some trouble with fetchmail. I posted to this list previously, But am uncertain that my message got through. I installed sendmail, and am uncertain I have it right. Smail worked will for quite a long time. After a recent upgrade I saw some traffic on this list about needing to reconfigure smail: that was a nightmare, having taken months when I finally did get it going. Now do it again? I'm not sure I ever understood---wrong, I'm sure I never did. Leaping from the pot to the frying pan is often not a wise approach. OTOH, it sometimes takes drastic measures to get up and running according to schedule. Right now, I don't see how replacing your MTA is going to fix fetchmail. Of course, you should be using smail from bo, unless you have a permanent internet connection..at least that's what I was told and it works for me. Sendmail is apparently working, but I'm not in command here either. Someone on the list warned that smail has been going strange places, which prompted my change: I thought it might solve my problem with fetchmail. Wrong. Fetchmail's problem --- crashing during the middle of the first message retrieval, every time, with an SMTP error because of failure to connect---still continues. I don't know how smail could fix fetchmail. Try fixing fetchmail. Since I have the latest and greatest fetchmail in hamm, and it works great (actually, I've never had a problem with fetchmail), I don't know what to tell you, other than to look at the bug reports. I looked at exim. Can exim do queues? That is, can mail be queued and send out (like runq) at the time of ppp connection? That's critical. Exim seems to be saying it's best at managing systems that are connected full time. exim is reportedly a dropin replacement for smail/sendmail, so yes (I haven't tried it, but everything I've read says this is true). I believe this is mentioned in the package description, but if not, the doc package for exim. Leaving all those aside for a moment? Is it true about smail? I've read here that smail will be fixed by the hamm release, although again I don't have any direct knowledge. -- David Stern -- http://weber.u.washington.edu/~kotsya [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Default ObjC compiler for hamm?
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:59:21 +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: Currently hamm has no working compiler for Objective-C, which can compile the GNUstep packages. GNUstep requires gcc-2.8 or egcs. On other platforms I was able to compile GNUstep with egcs-1.0.2, not so on a hamm system (with egcs (1.0.2-0.3)). The gstep-*-0.5 packages are made with gcc-2.8.1, which comes from project/experimental. Unfortunately the gcc-2.8 package is not part of hamm and is not so nice to leave gcc-2.7 installed. Well, my wish for ObjC development with hamm is to have the default compiler and a working ObjC compiler together. Would it be ok to build a gcc-objc package, which is basically gcc-2.8 without c++, which could be installed together with gcc-2.7 and conflicts with gcc-2.8? Since I recently asked off the list about this topic, I'll just post what the maintainer told me, but the bottom line is that gnustep is currently more of a technology preview than anything else, and if you just want to run the demos, you don't need gcc 2.8.1. . 8 [..my questions snipped for brevity..] Please keep in mind that this GNUstep is still in an rather early stage, and this is nothing more than a developer's release where developer means people interested in developing the GNUstep system. What has been done so far is a first implementation of Display Postscript, quite slow and slaggish, but this is been worked on. Then, the libraries that make up the OpenStep specification are worked on, i.e. the FoundationKit and the AppKit; FoundationKit is nearly complete, the AppKit is 30-50% finished (have a look at www.gnustep.org for details). This means you can write simple demo applications, i.e. with textfields, scrollers etc. pp and use DPS to draw into views. The current DGS is quite slow, not really usable yet. AFAIK, nobody has even started to implement a GUI development environment. That's certainly a very big effort. Currently, you could write applications with NeXT's tools on a machine running OPENSTEP, and you could compile them with GNUstep (only that most proably something is missing in GNUstep to compile it). So the current release just consists of a couple of libraries, a few command line utilities and daemons and a few demos that you can compile. Therefore, take these packages as a `technology preview', but don't expect to be able to actually use them for something useful. Having that said, gcc 2.8.1 is in Debian's projects/experimental directory. But you won't need it. Just install gstep-make, gstep-base, gstep-gui, gstep-xdps, dgs and gstep-xdps-examples. Then, do a source /usr/lib/GNUstep/Makefiles/GNUstep.sh, go into usr/lib/GNUstep/Apps/ and you should be able to start the examples with openapp nsbrowser.app etc. bye, Gregor 8 I ran the demos, they all ran well (but very slow). -- David Stern -- http://weber.u.washington.edu/~kotsya [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how can I find broken symlinks
Remco Blaakmeer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Example: $ symlinks -r / This scans all mounted filesystems for symlinks. No it does not. $ man symlinks ... -r recursively operate on subdirectories within the same filesystem. ... BUGS symlinks does not recurse or change links across filesys tems. Suonpää... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exim for intermittent ppp connection? Also fetchmail bombs out.
I have installed exim because of the difficulty I've had learning to configure sendmail, and because of suggestions by other posters here. Can anyone give me a succinct procedure to configure exim to change my debian user name to my isp user name, and change my debian domain to my isp domain? Otherwise, my ISP rejects my mail as spam, telling me it doesn't forward mail. Thanks for any help. Russ Russell Cook, Engineering Branch WSR-88D Operational Support Facility (405)366-6520 x4237 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: Jaakko Niemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alan Eugene Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: exim for intermittent ppp connection? Also fetchmail bombs out. Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 9:55 AM I looked at exim. Can exim do queues? That is, can mail be queued and send out (like runq) at the time of ppp connection? That's critical. Exim seems to be saying it's best at managing systems that are connected full time. That's what I'm doing right here. And I don't remember having any trouble installing (I don't even remeber installing ;-)) It's nice and easy system. --j -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
request for Debian 2.0 features
Could someone please summarize the main changes in the upcoming Debian 2.0 release? Does it include the filesystem changes in FHS 2.0? I noticed that on the ftp doc/package-developer/ directory, the old fsstnd-1.2 files are still there. Phil Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: request for Debian 2.0 features
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, pgarcia wrote: Could someone please summarize the main changes in the upcoming Debian 2.0 release? Does it include the filesystem changes in FHS 2.0? I noticed that on the ftp doc/package-developer/ directory, the old fsstnd-1.2 files are still there. The main feature of Debian 2.0 will be libc6 (aka glibc2). We support compilation for both the old libc5 and the new libc6, as well as all old packages in a seamless manner. We are still based on FSSTND 1.2, we plan to move to FHS 2.0 in Debian 2.1 -- Scott K. Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gate.net/~storm/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hard Drive partition
Hello I would like to know if it's possible to install Debian Linux without partitioning the Hard Disk. Thank you
Re: fetchmail and ssh
Thanks, It's working now. I used your suggested rc file, but the bo fetchmail choked on it. Then I downloaded the fetchmail source from hamm and compiled it on bo. Your suggestion works fine with the latest fetchmail. The docs for the new fetchmail are also better. Thanks also to Obi who sent similar info in private email. On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 11:08:00PM -0500, Ngo Bach Long wrote: This is what I put in my .fetchmailrc poll picton.eecg.utoronto.ca protocol pop3 via localhost port 8110 username bach password krakthis preconnect ssh -f -L 8110:picton.eecg.utoronto.ca:110 picton.eecg.utoronto.ca sleep 20 /dev/null /dev/null So the following might work for you: poll mail.alantro.com proto pop3 via localhost port 2110 preconnect ssh -f -L 2110:mail.alantro.com:110 mail.alantro.com sleep 20 /dev/null /dev/null user lee, with password password, is lee here fetchall A similar example is given in the fetchmail man page (just search for ssh). (I'm using the fetchmail 4.3.9-1 package that comes with hamm) The /dev/null stuff seems to be important; I couldn't get the ssh+fetchmail combination to work when I removed the /dev/null I/O redirection. The sleep 20 is also important. Basically ssh connects to your mail server and maps port 2110 on your machine to port 110 on the mail server, then quits after 20 seconds or after all forwarded connections are terminated. Tell me how it goes. Here is part of my .fetchmailrc for my closest attempt: poll mail.alantro.com proto pop3 port 2110 preconnect ssh -L 2110:127.0.0.1:110 mail.alantro.com user lee, with password password, is lee here fetchall When I run fetchmail mail.alantro.com it opens a shell on mail.alantro.com. When I exit the shell, it seems to stall until I hit Ctrl-C. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Lee Bradshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] (preferred) Alantro Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
