re:Re: Xwindows con xdm

1998-06-19 Thread CARLOS=MARTINEZ.CHACARTEGUI%DIDES.SINFO%BI.LARRASKITU
Hola,

no estoy seguro, pero en Debian al instalar el paquete xbase te
pregunta si quieres arrancar el xdm automáticamente al iniciar el
ordenador. Así que lo único que hace falta es ejecutar el script
xbaseconfigure (o algo así) que estará en /usr/sbin

--[Contestar - Mensaje original]--

Enviado por:Luis Francisco Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Agustin Martin Domingo decía:
 Doctor Panic wrote:
 
  ¿Como puedo configurar xdm para que arranque una sesión que pida el
login?
  Actualmente uso startx pero queria modificar el inittab para que
arrancase un
  xdm pero no consigo hacer que funcione. Cuando ejecuto xdm no pasa
  absolutamente nada.

 Yo no lo utilizo, pero ahí va, recopilado de las news:
[método para red hat]

Esto en debian no funciona así. Lo que tienes es que editar el fichero
/etc/X11/config y quitar no- de las líneas que dicen no-xdm-start-server
y
no-start-xdm

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dEBIAN 2.0 ?

1998-06-19 Thread Valero, Juan Carlos
Hola a todos:

Estoy haciendo mi toma de contacto con Debian pero veo que anuncian una
inminente salida de Debian 2.0.
Puede comentarme alguien si es posible downloar la 2.0 aunque no sea 100
% definitiva ?
Puede hacerse un download como el del OfficialCD ? ( esto es ya lista la
imagen para grabar ? )




Un saludo,


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RE: Problemas instalando Debian 1.3.1 en un ThinkPad

1998-06-19 Thread Jesus Zunzunegui Monterubio
Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote:
?Qu? tipo de CD/floppy es? Se me ocurre que el manejador del floppy lo puedes
compilar como m?dulo y cargarlo manualmente cuando quieras. Pero si el CD es
ATAPI entoces no creo que vaya porque el disco duro necesita el mismo c?digo
que el CD.

Lo otro es si el hardware no se va da?ar por hacer eso.

El CD es ATAPI, y lo monto como un /dev/hdb, y el floppy no tengo ni idea. El
portátil soporta el cambio en caliente, asi que probaré.

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Juego acm

1998-06-19 Thread J. Parera
Hola,
 haciendo un vistazo con el dselect al disco de mi distribución (Debian
1.3.1) me he encontrado un juego llamado acm, un simulador de vuelo. Si
alguien lo utiliza, o mejor dicho juega, le agradecería que me explicase
como configurarlo.

Saludos,
  J. Parera

P.D.
 ya sé que la lista esta pensada para preguntas más tecnicas que la que
acabo de formular, pero que carai, que por este curso ya he acabado y me
toca entretenerme un poco!!


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Espacio Swap

1998-06-19 Thread J. Parera
Hola,
 como puedo saber si mi swap esa bien configurada? Es decir, en uso. Pués al
hacer un free me sale que tengo toda la memoria ram prácticamente llena y la
swap esta completamente en desuso.

Saludos,
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Teclas Supr, Inicio, Fin, Re Pág, Av Pág en las X's

1998-06-19 Thread J. Parera
Hola,
 me he leido el FAQ Algunas cuestioncillas sobre las X pero ni asi he
conseguido hacer funcionar las teclas Supr, Inicio, Fin, Re Pág, Av Pág. En
algunas aplicaciones si me funcionan esas teclas pero no en todas. Ya he
instalado la libreria parcheada de Tomas Quinot, he puesto un Xmodmap
español  y he comentado el fichero /etc/X11/Xresources tal y como dice en el
FAQ pero ni asi me funcionan. Utilizo Debian 1.3.1.

Un saludo,
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Cambio de terminal desde dentro de las X's

1998-06-19 Thread J. Parera
Hola,
 como puedo cambiar de terminal, osease lo que desde consola se hace con
Alt+Fnº. Utilizo AfterStep.

Un saludo,
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Re: dEBIAN 2.0 ?

1998-06-19 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Fri, Jun 19, 1998 at 09:44:45AM +0200, Valero, Juan Carlos wrote:
 Hola a todos:
 
 Estoy haciendo mi toma de contacto con Debian pero veo que anuncian una
 inminente salida de Debian 2.0.
 Puede comentarme alguien si es posible downloar la 2.0 aunque no sea 100
 % definitiva ?

Sí. La puedes obtener en cualquier réplica FTP de Debian, por ejemplo en
ftp://ftp.cs.us.es/pub/debian/dists/frozen

 Puede hacerse un download como el del OfficialCD ? ( esto es ya lista la
 imagen para grabar ? )

Hay una versión de pruebas de los CDs. Todavía están en fase alpha,
pero si quieres probarlos, tienes toda la información en
http://www.uk.debian.org/debian-cd/ (no olvides el / del final)

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Re: Teclas Supr, Inicio, Fin, Re Pág, Av Pág en la s X's

1998-06-19 Thread Agustin Martin Domingo
J. Parera wrote:
 
 Hola,
  me he leido el FAQ Algunas cuestioncillas sobre las X pero ni asi he
 conseguido hacer funcionar las teclas Supr, Inicio, Fin, Re Pág, Av Pág. En
 algunas aplicaciones si me funcionan esas teclas pero no en todas. 

¿En cuáles sí y en cuáles no? Por lo que he leído el kde compatible con
la 1.3.1 da algún problema pero no te lo puedo decir de primera mano. 


 Ya he
 instalado la libreria parcheada de Tomas Quinot, he puesto un Xmodmap
 español  y he comentado el fichero /etc/X11/Xresources tal y como dice en el
 FAQ pero ni asi me funcionan. Utilizo Debian 1.3.1.
 

Por cierto, ¿los acentos ya te funcionan en los programas recalcitrantes
como netscape..?, por saber si te carga correctamente el Xmodmap.

Si tienes cargado el xkeycaps comprueba que las teclas correspondientes
están bien reconocidas, es decir,

keycode 107 Backspace
keycode  99 Prior
keycode 105 Next
keycode  97 Home
keycode 103 End

Tienes un excelente resumen de todo lo relacionado con Delete,
Backspace, teclas muertas en:

http://www.ibbnet.nl/~anne/keyboard.html

con la ventaja de que es una usuaria de debian.

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Re: Juego acm

1998-06-19 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Fri, Jun 19, 1998 at 12:56:48PM +0200, J. Parera wrote:
 Hola,
  haciendo un vistazo con el dselect al disco de mi distribución (Debian
 1.3.1) me he encontrado un juego llamado acm, un simulador de vuelo. Si
 alguien lo utiliza, o mejor dicho juega, le agradecería que me explicase
 como configurarlo.

Arrancas el servidor (acms) y luego el cliente (acm). Sólo funciona a 
8 bpp, en cualquier otra profundidad da segfaults. Al final encontré la
nueva página web del autor, y la última versión del programa, pero aún no
se ha corregido esa limitación.

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Re: Espacio Swap

1998-06-19 Thread Jesus M. Gonzalez

vmstat te da info de cómo estás usando la memoria.

top te da también algunas estadísticas al respecto.

Jesus.

J. Parera writes:
  Hola,
   como puedo saber si mi swap esa bien configurada? Es decir, en uso. Pués al
  hacer un free me sale que tengo toda la memoria ram prácticamente llena y la
  swap esta completamente en desuso.
  
  Saludos,
J. Parera
  
  
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/usr/bin/X11/xfs no hace Kill al apagar la máquina

1998-06-19 Thread J. Parera
Hola,
 el servidor de fuentes en X, /usr/bin/X11/xfs (en Debian 1.3.1), creo que
no me arranca pués al apagar la máquina no me lo killlea. Supongo que
tiene que arrancarse por defecto no? Que es lo que debo hacer para
solucionar dicho problema.

Saludos,
  J. Parera

P.D.
 en el el mail Cargar una fuente al arrancar (osease por defecto) tambien le
quise poner el Dmesg pero se me olvidó, es el mismo que el de este mail.
Perdonen el fallo.


Dmesg
Description: Binary data


Cargar una fuente al arrancar (osease por defecto)

1998-06-19 Thread J. Parera
Hola,
 en el fuente_ISO_COMO dice que para cargar el unicode hay que hacer:

en /etc/rc.d/rc.local:

\#el BloqNúm y los 8 bits
for tty in /dev/tty[1-6]; do
setleds -D +num {$$} \$tty
echo -n -e '\033(B' {$$} \$tty
done

en /etc/rc.d/rc.font:

setfont lat1u-16.psf

Tengo la Debian 1.3.1 por lo que estos ficheros no existen sino que hay el
/etc/init.d y hacer enlaces simbolicos a los distintos runlevels, forma
correcta, o hacer un script 0identificador en /etc/rc.boot. El problema está
en que si pongo lo anterios en un script me da un error al arrancar. He
probado con poner los dos scripts a la vez y cada uno por separado y siempre
me da error.

Si alguien utiliza la misma distribución le agradecería que me dijese como
ha solucionado dicho problema, en el modo consola.

Saludos,
  J. Parera

P.D.
 como hacen ustedes para que les funcione la tecla Supr en las X's? Yo he
probado la solución propuesta en el FAQ Algunas cuestioncillas sobre las X
pero no me funciona.


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Re: Cambio de terminal desde dentro de las X's

1998-06-19 Thread Jordi Roman Mejias
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, J. Parera wrote:

 Hola,
  como puedo cambiar de terminal, osease lo que desde consola se hace con
 Alt+Fnº. Utilizo AfterStep.

Con CTRL+ALT+Fnº

 
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RE: Cambio de terminal desde dentro de las X's

1998-06-19 Thread Jesus Zunzunegui Monterubio
Hola,
como puedo cambiar de terminal, osease lo que desde consola se hace con
Alt+Fn?. Utilizo AfterStep.

No se si te refieres a lo mismo, pero para cambiar del terminal de las X a la
consola se hace con Ctr+Alt+Fn. Las X's suelen ser la primera tecla de función
no utilizada por las consolas (F7 normalmente).

Saludos,
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Re: Xwindows con xdm

1998-06-19 Thread Doctor Panic
Bueno, gracias a todos, aqui va la solución:
Es cierto que hay que cambiar el fichero /etc/X11/config (que en mi caso ya
venia bien configurado), y quitar el no de no-xdm-start-server. Pero tambien
hay que configurar un fichero que creo que esta en /usr/X11/lib/Xserver y
configurarlo con el/los servidores que quieras usar.
Por cierto, perdón por poner Xwindows ¡¡Vaya fallo!!


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RE: Can't get X to Run, Please help!

1998-06-19 Thread David Miner
That seems to do the trick.
Thanks to all.

Dave

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To: David Miner
Subject: RE: Can't get X to Run, Please help!


On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, David Miner wrote:

 I do not see where I can choose 8bpp as an option under Card or
 Monitor setup.

This was intended for the color setup. It´s in the Modes Selection
Section (640x480, 800x600, etc.).

HTH,

Jens
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Boot Messages

1998-06-19 Thread Shiraz Sayani
I'm sure this is a FAQ, but I seem to have lost my start-up messages
since upgrading to hamm. Everything used to go into /var/log/*, and
my /etc/syslog.conf hasn't changed, but I don't seem to have much
in /var/log any more.

Anyone know where it goes now, or what's changed, or how to scroll
the console back?

Otherwise, the upgrade to hamm was pretty hassle free.

Couple of problems I had though were:

  I had to recompile the kernel to get my psaux mouse back before
  xdm would start X properly again, as the upgrade booted a newly
  installed kernel rather than my existing 3.0.33 kernel.

  I installed kernel headers for 3.0.32 as something depended on this
  package, although  I already had kernel sources fo 3.0.33 as I needed
  this before the upgrade to drive my ISDN card. Dselect wanted the new
  kernel source and image packages though, and they installed fine,
  although the installation scripts set the /usr/src/linux link
  to kernel-headers.3.0.32.

  I had to re-edit all the config files to get my afterstep settings
  back. This was fine after I found the new config files (the setup
  doesn't copy them all to each user's directory).

  My ISP connection from linux doesn't work anymore (that's why I'm
  posting from Windoze). I have edited all the configuration files
  under /etc/isdn and removed my old rc.connect from /etc/init.d, 
  but what do I do to actually bring the connection up?

Sorry for all the supplementary questions, but thanks in advance for
any suggestions, and there's plenty of cool new stuff in hamm
to make it worthwhile.

Shiraz Sayani.


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Re: fvwm2: seems to be reading some hook files twice?

1998-06-19 Thread Martin Bialasinski

 BR == Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

BR After a recent upgrade of fvwm2, the window manager seems to be processing
BR at least some of my $HOME/.fvwm2/*.hook files twice.  Used to be, the
BR attached main-menu-pre.hook file did the expected thing.  Now, the menus
BR I custom-made get doubled up (see the attached X window dumps in PNG 
format).

BR # Read system and user menu prefixes
BR AddToMenu /Debian
BR + Main Menu Title
BR Read /etc/X11/fvwm2/main-menu-pre.hook
BR Read .fvwm2/main-menu-pre.hook

You did check, that you don't have a ~/.fvwm2/main-menu-pre.hook ?

Disable the line and see what happens.

The main-menu-pre.hook you sent was from /etc/X11/fvwm2, right?

Ciao,
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Re: a few more questions

1998-06-19 Thread Martin Bialasinski

 MP == Mark Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MP Could you help me with the following:
MP 1. how can I, using Linux and X11 read e-mail from other people who send it
MP to me via my ISP (uses POP)

fetchmail can poll the mails from your provider. Check man fetchmail for
more info. The section configuration examples will show you what to put
into your ~/.fetchmailrc

Ciao,
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Re: a few more questions

1998-06-19 Thread Matt Kopishke
Could you help me with the following:

1. how can I, using Linux and X11 read e-mail from other people who send it
to me via my ISP (uses POP)

Try Pine, works for me.

2. What is a good soundcard which is  $40-$50 that works well in Linux and
Win95?

No Idea.

3. Does Netscape 4 install correctly under Hamm? I would like to try to
install the .deb file containing this program but I know that it is an
installer, and when I had BO it complained about not being in some temp
dir.  What if any, is the special config for this?

Sorry, haven't installed it yet.


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keyboard configuration under X - hebrew keyboard

1998-06-19 Thread Micha Feigin
I'm having trouble configuring the keyboard under x.
It used to work ok once, i don't know what i changed
but the delete and backspace keys don't work. The backspace
sends ~ signs (or at list thats how they apear) and delete sends
.
they both beep when i press them. when i use ^d and ^h it works fine.
also the alt key won't work as meta.
Also i wan't to configure the keyboard to use non ascii caracters (ie.
hebrew). If anyone can tell me how to do this. Also how to install
hebrew (the hebrew.howto is from 96) and if by any chance i can
configure the editors (especially xemacs) to be able to use hebrew.
The main problem is thats its writen from right to left instead of the
other way around.
Thanx


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installing modem

1998-06-19 Thread Micha Feigin
Whats the process to install a modem for a tcp/ip ppp conection to use
the internet?


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scilab not working?

1998-06-19 Thread Mark Phillips

Hi,

I've just installed scilab_2.2-4.deb from the non-free section of hamm.
But it doesn't seem to be working.  I type scilab at the prompt and it
exits without giving any error messages, without poping up any windows or
anything.  It just does nothing!

Am I doing something wrong, or is this package broken?

Thanks,

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Re: installing modem

1998-06-19 Thread Troy Hanson
Install the package pppconfig or dunc.  They both create a connection by
asking simple questions.  pppconfig is my preference for a quick and easy
setup.

hope this helps,
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setting up modem conection

1998-06-19 Thread Micha Feigin

I wondered whats the procedure to set up a modem conection
i need to use tcp/ip with ppp through a phone lin eto connect to the
internet.
Thanx



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Re: print permissions

1998-06-19 Thread Paul Miller

Thanks.  That helped a lot -- much easier than the lprng's permissions
file..

-Paul

On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Glynn Clements wrote:

 
 Paul Miller wrote:
 
  How can I control who can print and who can't?
 
 If you specify a group using the `rg' option in /etc/printcap, only
 members of that group are allowed to print.
 
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what goes into .xinitrc and what into .xsession

1998-06-19 Thread Micha Feigin
i tried to figure out while setting up the system whats supposed to go
under the .xinitrc file and what into .xsession. Because I tried to
use .xinitrc first to initialise stuff (like chosing window manager)
but it won't work, so i put the things in .xsession and the most did,
exept that every time that people tell me where to change
configuration they tell me to put stuff in .xinitrc so i wondered.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Thanx
Also how do i load the modules for fvwm2? they won't load for me with
an error message saying that they should be called from inside fvwm (i
tried t load them from inside fvwm2 but it didn't work)
And how do i set a back groung pix under fvwm2 and afterstep (can it
be jpeg?)




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Re: The juggernaught expands?

1998-06-19 Thread Derek Tam

   Microsoft is seeking testers registered in our 
 Beta Test program who are experienced in, and have 
 access to, the Linux operating system (Redhat or Debian 

I dunno if this is related, but http://linus.microsoft.com/ was spotted
the other day up and running Redhat 5.1.  nslookup showed that the
domain indeed resolved to a Microsoft netbock.  The domain has since
been removed.

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Hamm Release?

1998-06-19 Thread Earl Goodson
  Craig Sanders  wrote

  Can you give me or point me to 1.1 to 1.2 to 1.3, or 1.1
to 1.3,
  upgrade instructions? Thanks.

 imo, you'd be better off waiting for hamm (2.0) to be
released - or
 order a pre-release hamm CD (there are several people who
sell
them...i
 think netgod - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - burns unstable CDs on
request).

 hamm isn't released yet, but it is stable and high
quality.  it works.


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little while
and have decided to
order a CD from LSL and install Debian Linux vice all the
others based
on the strength of
the help from this list.


Please answer a neewbie's questions...why is this LSL sales
slip
reporting that 2.0 is an
Official Release?


Did I get the wrong one, should I have ordered 1.3.1
instead, and will I
be unable to get
help for 2.0 here?


TIA,
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Re: Please clarify...

1998-06-19 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:

   The autoup.sh is ment to be used in bo-hamm upgrade, AFAIK.
   Normal updates are easy, just point dselect/apt to a mirror, get
   updates and let it install. Just fire up and tap enter a few times.
 
 It is usually a good idea to upgrade dpkg first with dpkg, in case there
 have been enhancements of the package system.

for an upgrade from bo/rexx/buzz to hamm, DO NOT attempt to upgrade with
dpkg.  Doing so will break bash, resulting in a non-working
system...recovering from this situation is difficult for an expert and
probably impossible for a novice.  DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.


Use the HOWTO, or use autoup.sh which a) upgrades bash and libreadline
and other stuff in the correct order, and b) upgrades dpkg to the latest
version.


my preferred method for upgrading to hamm is:

1. download autoup.sh and the tarball from
   http://debian.vicnet.net.au/autoup

2. read autoup.sh to get an understanding of what it is about to do.
   also read Scott's HOWTO.

3. run autoup.sh

4. when autoup has run, THEN (and only then) is it safe to run dselect
   to complete the upgrade.  Use the 'mountable' method if you have
   a CD or a local mirror - it works better than the old 'mounted'
   method.  Alternatively, use apt (but you'll need to install apt
   and several other packages by hand first)

as mentioned yesterday, i have used this method to successfully (and
painlessly) upgrade dozens of systems to hamm.  it works.


craig

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tecra rescue does not work with thinkpad ?

1998-06-19 Thread G John Lapeyre

Hi,
(latest Hamm)
I tried the regular rescue floppy and the 
tecra floppy on a thinkpad 380D and both hang
on booting.  Does this make sense ?

John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tucson,AZ http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~lapeyre


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Re: what goes into .xinitrc and what into .xsession

1998-06-19 Thread Daniel Martin at cush
Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 i tried to figure out while setting up the system whats supposed to go
 under the .xinitrc file and what into .xsession. Because I tried to
 use .xinitrc first to initialise stuff (like chosing window manager)
 but it won't work, so i put the things in .xsession and the most did,
 exept that every time that people tell me where to change
 configuration they tell me to put stuff in .xinitrc so i wondered.
 Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
 Thanx

It is a bit confusing, isn't it.
Here's the situation under Debian:
 If you start X with startx, then:
   first it tries to do the stuff in your .xinitrc; if you don't have
   one, it goes and invokes the system xinitrc, which on Debian goes 
   and does what happens when you use xdm to start X.
 If you start X with xdm (the graphical login screen):
   It does the stuff in the system-wide Xsession.  On Debian, this
   does nice things like suck in your ~/.Xresources file if you have
   one and then if you have your own ~/.xsession, goes and does that -
   if you don't have your own ~/.xsession, it tries to start an xterm
   and whatever you have set up as the default window manager for your 
   system.

The combined moral of this on Debian is: A ~/.xinitrc is pointless -
if you put all your customizations into ~/.xsession and delete your
~/.xinitrc then you'll get the same environment no matter how you
start X, and when using startx you'll get all the nice standard
startup things from the system-wide Xsession.  It's really the better
way to go.

 Also how do i load the modules for fvwm2? they won't load for me with
 an error message saying that they should be called from inside fvwm (i
 tried t load them from inside fvwm2 but it didn't work)
 And how do i set a back groung pix under fvwm2 and afterstep (can it
 be jpeg?)

The error message means to say that the modules should be called
directly by fvwm2, (e.g. through a menu item or in a startup file).
The easiest way is to install the menu package and then use the menus
that appear when you click on the left button in the root window.
(the root window is what is known to the rest of the world as the
background - also note that you'll have to exit fvwm2 after installing 
menu)  If you want to invoke a certain module with command line
arguments, then you might try using the FvwmTalk module - this lets
you send commands to fvwm2 as though it were reading them from a
startup file.

Also, if you've been getting non-Debian advice on configuring your
system, someone may have told you to create a ~/.fvwm2rc file.
Resist the temptation.  Debian has a much better way to configure
fvwm2 - read the /usr/doc/fvwm2/README.sysrc.gz for details.
(Basically, create a directory ~/.fvwm2 and then put anything you want 
to add to the default setup into ~/.fvwm2/post.hook and all will be
well)

Finally, a background picture is easy with the Debian fvwm2 setup (I
don't know about afterstep myself) - just put your background image
into ~/.fvwm2/background.jpg.  Or, to automatically size your picture
to fit your screen, you can abuse the program that chooses background
images and put the single line:
-fullscreen /path/to/my/background.jpg
into the file ~/.fvwm2/background.list - note that a
~/.fvwm2/background.jpg file takes precedence over a background.list
file.  You can add more lines to the background.list file to have it
choose a random one each time you start X.


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`portmap' won't start. Why?

1998-06-19 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom

Jun 18 21:03:06 bittersweet portmap[7548]: svc_run: - select failed: Bad file 
descriptor
Jun 18 21:03:06 bittersweet portmap[7548]: run_svc returned unexpectedly

 What does this mean?  Why won't portmap start?


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Re: The juggernaught expands?

1998-06-19 Thread sjc
On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 11:32:24AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
 On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:33:36 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Definitly. And lucky for us...it will be impossible for Uncle Bill to force 
 Linux users to install IE. Oh and another great Feature that comes with IE
 ActiveX.
 
 The Mac version doesn't have AX, something tells me a Linux version
 wouldn't either.

Thats good to hear...well...its as good as it is bad...
I mean really...I wont use it anyway...I liek Netscape so much more

 Exactly! And thats exactly why I wont use their products, even if they come
 out for linux. I mean I understand that they are a buisness and it is their
 job to make money...not to make people happy.
 
 Why is it that people always assume that making money and making people
 happy are always mutually exclusive?
 

Now...I never said making money and makin gpeople happy are mutually 
exclusive. The problem is that often it can be the case that they are.
The road which makes the MOST money often does not take the well
being and happiness of the customer into mind.

My gripe with microsoft is simple to me. I work with computers because
I enjoy it. If it wasn't for the fact that I am so in love with them,
I wouldn't be here typing now. Microsoft is out for money. They
put together their systems solely for money..and that is obvious.

I think of them as the restraunt that could make their hamburgers
with grade A or B meat and make a good meal, and still make a profit, 
but instead decides to serve you grade D meat and still charge the 
same price. The Denny's of the software industry (I havge eaten once 
at Denny's and I think that the analogy is a good one)

If it wasn't for their buisness tactics (using their muscle to make
people sign contracts saying that they will only sell PCs with Windows
on it, and forceing IE onto every desktop) I wouldn't hasve much of 
a problem with them. I still wouldn't use their software unles they 
improved it...but...I woul dbe able to tolerate them more

-Steve

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Ncurses bug?

1998-06-19 Thread Pavel Andreew
Hello!

   My program use the Form library from Ncurses. It worked OK with
ncurses 1.1.9g-8, but not with 1.1.9g-8.5. The form_driver() function
return E_UNKNOWN_COMMAND result at any character symbols as argument.
What's may be wrong?

   This is source of the test program:

/

 *
 * Forms test
 *
 /

#include ?form.h

#ifndef CTRL
#define CTRL(x) ((x) ? 0x1f)
#endif

#define SIZEOF(table)   (sizeof(table)/sizeof(table[0]))
#define QUITCTRL('Q')
#define ESCAPE  CTRL('[')
#define BLANK   ' ' /* this is the background
character */


static FIELD *make_label(int frow, int fcol, char *label)
{
FIELD   *f = new_field(1, strlen(label), frow, fcol, 0, 0);

if (f)
{
set_field_buffer(f, 0, label);
set_field_opts(f, field_opts(f) ? ~O_ACTIVE);
}
return(f);
}

static FIELD *make_field(int frow, int fcol, int rows, int cols)
{
FIELD   *f = new_field(rows, cols, frow, fcol, 0, 0);

if (f)
set_field_back(f, A_UNDERLINE);
return(f);
}

static void display_form(FORM *f)
{
WINDOW  *w;
int rows, cols;

scale_form(f, ?rows, ?cols);

if ((w =newwin(rows+2, cols+4, 0, 0)) != (WINDOW *)NULL)
{
set_form_win(f, w);
set_form_sub(f, derwin(w, rows, cols, 1, 2));
box(w, 0, 0);
keypad(w, TRUE);
}

if (post_form(f) != E_OK)
wrefresh(w);
}

static void erase_form(FORM *f)
{
WINDOW  *w = form_win(f);
WINDOW  *s = form_sub(f);

unpost_form(f);
werase(w);
wrefresh(w);
delwin(s);
delwin(w);
}

static int form_virtualize(WINDOW *w)
{
static int  mode = REQ_INS_MODE;
int c = wgetch(w);

switch(c)
{
case QUIT:
case ESCAPE:
return(MAX_FORM_COMMAND + 1);

/* demo doesn't use these three, leave them in anyway as sample code
*/
case KEY_NPAGE:
case CTRL('F'):
return(REQ_NEXT_PAGE);
case KEY_PPAGE:
return(REQ_PREV_PAGE);

case KEY_NEXT:
case CTRL('N'):
return(REQ_NEXT_FIELD);
case KEY_PREVIOUS:
case CTRL('P'):
return(REQ_PREV_FIELD);

case KEY_HOME:
return(REQ_FIRST_FIELD);
case KEY_END:
case KEY_LL:
return(REQ_LAST_FIELD);

case CTRL('L'):
return(REQ_LEFT_FIELD);
case CTRL('R'):
return(REQ_RIGHT_FIELD);
case CTRL('U'):
return(REQ_UP_FIELD);
case CTRL('D'):
return(REQ_DOWN_FIELD);

case CTRL('W'):
return(REQ_NEXT_WORD);
case CTRL('B'):
return(REQ_PREV_WORD);
case CTRL('S'):
return(REQ_BEG_FIELD);
case CTRL('E'):
return(REQ_END_FIELD);

case KEY_LEFT:
return(REQ_LEFT_CHAR);
case KEY_RIGHT:
return(REQ_RIGHT_CHAR);
case KEY_UP:
return(REQ_UP_CHAR);
case KEY_DOWN:
return(REQ_DOWN_CHAR);

case CTRL('M'):
return(REQ_NEW_LINE);
case CTRL('I'):
return(REQ_INS_CHAR);
case CTRL('O'):
return(REQ_INS_LINE);
case CTRL('V'):
return(REQ_DEL_CHAR);

case CTRL('H'):
case KEY_BACKSPACE:
return(REQ_DEL_PREV);
case CTRL('Y'):
return(REQ_DEL_LINE);
case CTRL('G'):
return(REQ_DEL_WORD);

case CTRL('C'):
return(REQ_CLR_EOL);
case CTRL('K'):
return(REQ_CLR_EOF);
case CTRL('X'):
return(REQ_CLR_FIELD);
case CTRL('A'):
return(REQ_NEXT_CHOICE);
case CTRL('Z'):
return(REQ_PREV_CHOICE);

case CTRL(']'):
if (mode == REQ_INS_MODE)
return(mode = REQ_OVL_MODE);
else
return(mode = REQ_INS_MODE);

default:
return(c);
}
}

static int my_form_driver(FORM *form, int c)
{
if (c == (MAX_FORM_COMMAND + 1) )
//  ?? form_driver(form, REQ_VALIDATION) == E_OK)
return(TRUE);
else
{
beep();
return(FALSE);
}
}

void main(void)
{
WINDOW  *w;
FORM*form;
FIELD   *f[10];
int finished = 0, c;

initscr();
keypad(stdscr, TRUE);
nonl();  /*  tell curses not to do NL-CR/NL on output
*/
cbreak();/*  take input chars one at a time, no wait for
\n  */
noecho();/*  don't echo input  */
start_color();
refresh();

mvaddstr(10, 57, Forms Entry Test);

move(18, 0);
addstr(Defined form-traversal keys:   ^Q/ESC- exit form\n);
addstr(^N   -- go to next field   ^P  -- go to previous
field\n);
addstr(Home -- go to first field  End -- go to last field\n);
addstr(^L   -- go to field to left^R  -- go to field to
right\n);
addstr(^U   -- move upward to field   ^D  -- move downward to
field\n);
addstr(^W   -- go to next word^B  -- go to previous
word\n);
addstr(^S   -- go 

Re: Mesa

1998-06-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Jun 17, 1998 at 08:35:43PM +0300, Jaakko Niemi wrote:
  Does anyone have any idea how long until Mesa3.0 libraries will be 
  debianized?
  (Appararently it is req'd by the latest version of Blender. :(. ).
 
  When they are out of beta, I guess. It's pretty easy to compile them 
  yourself though, just put them in /usr/local/lib and put a 
  LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib before executing Blender.

/etc/ld.so.conf should include /usr/local/lib by default anyway I think,
so you don't need the LD_LIBRARY_PATH. If it isn't in there you can certainly
add it and run ldconfig.

hamish
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Re: 1021 cylinders(?), 8.4GB, and FreeBSD

1998-06-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 02:03:34PM +0300, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote:
 I have an 8.4gb maxtor.  I have an initial partition of something like 100Mb 
 for /boot, so that it could be boot from.  After this partition, I am 
 attempting to put a freebsd.  Which is where it gets odd.
 
 I don't recall changing to the 1021 format, and the sizing of the /boot as 
 well as another long-gone partition was set so that they'd both end up 
 (entirely) within the first 1023.
 
 Can I change my disk geometry now?  Or will this kill everything?  Or is 
 there 
 another way to boot FreeBSD?  as near as I can tell, even with the floppy, it 
 wants it's root partition in the first 1023, even when using the boot 
 diskette; and in spite of my alleged geometry, it gives a report of C 1023 
 exceeded or some such.

I think you definately want LBA. I don't think you can change it after
the fact, though.

I have FreeBSD installed starting half way through a 3.2gb disk, and
the second disk at that (hdb/wd2). It works okay, I've never encountered
this  1024 thing with either Linux or FreeBSD. But I don't know much about
BSD and haven't really had much luck/time with it.

Hamish
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Re: The juggernaught expands?

1998-06-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 02:33:36PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 LIKE Word...but please NOT word!

Let's not get hysterical.

 I mean really...its a word processor...nice to have but...come on...
 they can't even keep it compatible with older versions of itself!

What? Word 97 can read back to Word 2 and probably Word 1.1 for Windows,
as well as Word 5 for DOS etc. Word 97 can write Word 95 format too if
you get the service pack (95 writing support is a bit broken without it),
and Word 2 too I think.

 and just think of all the benefits of having word... Word Macro Viruses,
 a completely asinine file format. 

Word warns you that the document contains macros before opening it and
gives you the option of removing them.



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Re: what goes into .xinitrc and what into .xsession

1998-06-19 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
* Daniel Martin at cush [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| It is a bit confusing, isn't it.
| Here's the situation under Debian:
|  If you start X with startx, then:
|first it tries to do the stuff in your .xinitrc; if you don't have
|one, it goes and invokes the system xinitrc, which on Debian goes 
|and does what happens when you use xdm to start X.
|  If you start X with xdm (the graphical login screen):
|It does the stuff in the system-wide Xsession.  On Debian, this
|does nice things like suck in your ~/.Xresources file if you have
|one and then if you have your own ~/.xsession, goes and does that -
|if you don't have your own ~/.xsession, it tries to start an xterm
|and whatever you have set up as the default window manager for your 
|system.

Good explanation, but just to clarify a little more:

* .xinitrc is read every time X is started. If you use xdm, X is not
  started when you log in. (It's running all the time)

* .xsession is read for each session, that is for each time
  you log in.

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Re: Boot Messages

1998-06-19 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
* Shiraz Sayani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| Anyone know where it goes now, or what's changed, or how to scroll
| the console back?

Use 'dmesg' to see the messages. Have you checked /var/log/kern.log ?

|   installed kernel rather than my existing 3.0.33 kernel.

That would probably be 2.0.33...

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Re: Hamm Release?

1998-06-19 Thread Ole J. Tetlie
* Earl Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
| Did I get the wrong one, should I have ordered 1.3.1
| instead, and will I
| be unable to get
| help for 2.0 here?

Don't worry about that! You'll get help for 2.0 here.

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Re: Please clarify...

1998-06-19 Thread Eugene Sevinian

Hello,
I just tried to look at this site (http://debian.vicnet.net.au), but in
vain. Anybody knows other places with autoup.sh? 

Does it works good with 1.3.0? 

 
 my preferred method for upgrading to hamm is:
 
   1. download autoup.sh and the tarball from
  http://debian.vicnet.net.au/autoup
 
[]
 as mentioned yesterday, i have used this method to successfully (and
 painlessly) upgrade dozens of systems to hamm.  it works.
 
 
 craig
 

Eugene Sevinian



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Re: Please clarify...

1998-06-19 Thread E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)

Craig wrote:
 
 On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:
 
The autoup.sh is ment to be used in bo-hamm upgrade, AFAIK.
Normal updates are easy, just point dselect/apt to a mirror, get
updates and let it install. Just fire up and tap enter a few times.
  
  It is usually a good idea to upgrade dpkg first with dpkg, in case there
  have been enhancements of the package system.
 
 for an upgrade from bo/rexx/buzz to hamm, DO NOT attempt to upgrade with
 dpkg.  Doing so will break bash, resulting in a non-working
 system...recovering from this situation is difficult for an expert and
 probably impossible for a novice.  DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.

Oops, I suppose I was a little unclear.  My comment concerned upgrades
_before_ hamm (and problably after hamm as well).  The autoup.sh script is
the way to go for bo - hamm.

Eric

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Re: scilab not working?

1998-06-19 Thread Remco van de Meent
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Mark Phillips wrote:

 : I've just installed scilab_2.2-4.deb from the non-free section of hamm.
 : But it doesn't seem to be working.  I type scilab at the prompt and it
 : exits without giving any error messages, without poping up any windows or
 : anything.  It just does nothing!
 : 
 : Am I doing something wrong, or is this package broken?

I tried the package last week, and I got the same results. I 'strace''d the
binary in /usr/lib/scilab/bin, and it just exited :( Didn't have the time to
have a better look at it.

bye,
 -Remco


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xman

1998-06-19 Thread Mark Yobb

Hi folks!

I am running Debian 1.3.1 (bo) and I can't seem to find xman.  I know it
comes with my CD because I had it installed at one time.  What .deb package
is xman included in? 


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Re: Hamm Release?

1998-06-19 Thread Craig Sanders
On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Earl Goodson wrote:

 Please answer a neewbie's questions...why is this LSL sales slip
 reporting that 2.0 is an Official Release?

i have no idea why LSL are saying that.  it probably means one of the
following things:

1.  they're lying 
2.  they are confused
3.  they expect 2.0 will be released by the time they ship your CD
4.  they will delay shipping your order until 2.0 has been released.

LSL seem pretty honourable so i don't think 1. is very likely.  option 2 is
possible, but also unlikely.

write or call them and ask what the story is - they are the only ones who
know for sure what they mean.


 Did I get the wrong one, should I have ordered 1.3.1 instead, and will
 I be unable to get help for 2.0 here?

you'll still get help for it here.



 Product IDProduct Name   Unit Price Qty  Item Total
 
 
 
   L000-039  Official Debian Rele  $3.95   1  $3.95
 ase 2.0
 Weight (lbs.): 0.05
 


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gcc not finding header / library files

1998-06-19 Thread Mark Yobb
Hi.  I asked this question once before.  Unfortunately I did not
phrase the question properly so the answer I got was helpful but not useful.
Here goes again.

I am running bo and I am have troubling compiling with gcc/g++.  The
compiler does not find the prepocessor directive header files ie iostream
etc unless I include a switch -B (or is it -L) with the path to my header
and library files included.  Apparently I can set a enviornment variable so
I won't have to do this all the time.  Who would I go about doing this?  Is
there another way?

currently if I don't include the switch gcc responds with:

prog.C:1:iostream:No such file or directory

bummer...


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$ENV

1998-06-19 Thread Mark Yobb

Hay there!  Is there any command that anybody know of that will
print to standard output all of the current environment variables?

When using korn shell I think it is `echo $ENV`?  I want to see what
environment variables are currently intialized and there values.  I would be
cool to see all of bashes currently stored variables and there values actually!



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Re: scilab not working?

1998-06-19 Thread Wojciech Zabolotny
I'm using scilab 2.3 under Debian bo, however it is not an .deb package.
I just downloaded the sources from 
ftp://ftp.inria.fr/INRIA/Projects/Meta2/Scilab/scilab-2.3-src.tar.gz
(Well, now only wersion 2.3.1 is available:
ftp://ftp.inria.fr/INRIA/Projects/Meta2/Scilab/scilab-2.3.1-src.tar.gz
I don't know if it compiles as easy as 2.3)
Unpacked the sources into /usr/local/scilab-2.3
and typed './configure; make all'.
Then I've set some symlinks in /usr/local/bin:
scilab - /usr/local/scilab-2.3/bin/scilab
intersci - /usr/local/scilab-2.3/bin/intersci
BEpsf - /usr/local/scilab-2.3/bin/BEpsf
In this way I've got a newer version of Scilab, and everything works fine.
I hope this helps :-).

Wojtek Zabolotny
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On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Remco van de Meent wrote:

 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Mark Phillips wrote:
 
  : I've just installed scilab_2.2-4.deb from the non-free section of hamm.
  : But it doesn't seem to be working.  I type scilab at the prompt and it
  : exits without giving any error messages, without poping up any windows or
  : anything.  It just does nothing!
  : 
  : Am I doing something wrong, or is this package broken?
 
 I tried the package last week, and I got the same results. I 'strace''d the
 binary in /usr/lib/scilab/bin, and it just exited :( Didn't have the time to
 have a better look at it.
 
 bye,
  -Remco
 
 
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Re: Desperate for Optical Character Recognition

1998-06-19 Thread Carl Johnson
Don Berkich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Does anyone know of any OCR software available for Linux? Preferably
 something that will plug into gimp with SANE and xscanimage - but anything 
 will
 do, console mode or X - I'm dying never to have to reboot to Windoze again! 
 :).
 
 
 Me too!  
 
 There is an old project, xocr (located at sunsite under apps/graphics). 
 I don't know how good it is, because I haven't be able to get it to
 compile.  There are evidently some libraries required I don't have.  If
 anyone has gotten xocr compiled let me know, I'd be interested in
 finding out how you did it.

I have compiled it, but I don't remember doing anything special to get
it to compile.  I have purged it, since it wasn't reliable enough to
be worth using.  I estimated it had an error rate of about 20% of the
characters.  That means that at least 50% of all words were wrong,
which I consider to be totally useless.

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lpr versus lprng

1998-06-19 Thread Mark Yobb

What is the difference?  Please be verbose!


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Re: $ENV

1998-06-19 Thread Åsmund Ødegård

Maybe you are searching for env?

Fri, 19 Jun delte Mark Yobb følgende med meg:
 
 Hay there!  Is there any command that anybody know of that will
 print to standard output all of the current environment variables?
 
 When using korn shell I think it is `echo $ENV`?  I want to see what

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Re: $ENV

1998-06-19 Thread Joop Stakenborg


Mark Yobb wrote:

 Hay there!  Is there any command that anybody know of that will
 print to standard output all of the current environment variables?

 When using korn shell I think it is `echo $ENV`?  I want to see what
 environment variables are currently intialized and there values.  I would be
 cool to see all of bashes currently stored variables and there values 
 actually!


So you are using bash? Then you just type: set.

Joop


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/etc/init.d/boot message?

1998-06-19 Thread Mark Yobb

I know how to use `dmesg` but I would really like to be able to get
the info that scrolls across my screen (on bootup) when /etc/init.d/boot is
executing.  Is this message sent to a log file or something?  How can I look
at this after booting?

Thanks Ah!


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palmpilot III and ibm thinkpad 760xl

1998-06-19 Thread John Kloss
so my parents gave me a palmpilot III for my birthday (which was nice).
However, I can't get it to work with my thinkpad. 

here's what I have

debian 1.3.1
pilot-link 8.9
 a palmpilot III

here's what I did

compiled pilot-link 8.9, no real problems
installed pilot-link stuff, no real problems
tried to get it to communicate with my palmpilot via

pilot-xfer /dev/ttyS0 -l

with no luck, palmpilot can't find my computer. But this is not a surprise
really because gpm is using /dev/ttyS0. so I mv'd the gpm script in
/etc/init.d/ to gpm.bak and ran update-rc.d gpm remove and rebooted.
0setserial configured /dev/ttyS0 to the following

uart 16550A port 0x03f8 irq 4

which is what the thinkpad documentation says is one of the possible
resource defaults for the serial port. still no go _and_ my xserver starts
going weird (race conditions or something causing it to die) and my pcmcia
cardmanager fails to correctly set up the serial connection for my modem
card. so bag that and reinstall gpm and everything is okay. I don't know
why my system seems dependent on gpm; I've never used it (and I thought
that I read in this list that it wasn't really necessary).

so I tried using /dev/ttyS1 but my modem is using that one out, so I pop
my modem out and thought that would release the serial connection, but no
pilot-xfer says it can't make a connection to port ttyS1.

specifically it says

unable to bind to port '/dev/ttyS1'

so I tried doing setserial

setserial /dev/ttyS2 uart 16550A irq 4 port 0x03e8
setserial /dev/ttyS3 uart 16550A irq 3 port 0x02e8

but setserial won't actually set the serial connections (yes, I ran the
command as root). so why is that and where do I go from here? And in
either case, same response from pilot-xfer.

so the specks for the serial port in the back of the thinkpad are

irq 4   port 0x03f8
30x02f8
40x03e8
30x02e8

the standard com 1-4 stuff.

I'd really like to use this pda with linux so any help would be greatly
appreciated. And if it will make anyone smile, I couldn't get the damn
thing to work with NT either-- consistent, supported platform, my ass.

- John Kloss


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Re: lpr versus lprng

1998-06-19 Thread Ulisses Alonso
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Hi!

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Mark Yobb wrote:

 
 What is the difference?  Please be verbose!

lprng is 100% compatible with lpr (the same features, commandline,
programs and basic configuration)

It's design and implementation is much much better

It's more documented (very good documentation)

It has more capabilities, and diagnostic aids

It's ported to virtually any Un*x system

It's a very accurate work, just see some source files...

It's also supported by magicfilter (lpr configuration tool)


regards,

Ulisses
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Re: xman

1998-06-19 Thread Ulisses Alonso
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Hi Mark!

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Mark Yobb wrote:

 
 Hi folks!
 
 I am running Debian 1.3.1 (bo) and I can't seem to find xman.  I know it
 comes with my CD because I had it installed at one time.  What .deb package
 is xman included in? 

I suggest you to use tkman instead, its a tcl/tk manpage browser (not
just pager), you will have to download it cause it's in the non-free
section


regards,

Ulisses
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Re: Bug#23695: fvwm2: seems to be reading some hook files twice?

1998-06-19 Thread Yann Dirson
Branden Robinson writes:
  Package: fvwm2
  Version: 2.0.46-BETA-3
  Severity: normal
  
  After a recent upgrade of fvwm2, the window manager seems to be processing
  at least some of my $HOME/.fvwm2/*.hook files twice.  Used to be, the
  attached main-menu-pre.hook file did the expected thing.  Now, the menus
  I custom-made get doubled up (see the attached X window dumps in PNG format).

Well, I never took time to fully investigate, but I do have a similar,
though not identical problem: I get 2 FvwmButtons and 3 FvwmPager, the
former causing 2 of each swallowed app to be launched, and seem not to
like it when one hides the other...

  Also, the BTS's primitive brain cannot comprehend MIME, so this message
  will have to be manually assigned to the fvwm2 package.

That's a know limitation, isn't it ?  ;)

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email to a group of people

1998-06-19 Thread Johann Spies
Hallo,

Is there a way to configure the To:  field of email sent out to a group
of people to hide the whole list of receivers from the people receiving
the message? 

e.g.  If I send out a message it would look like this to the receiver: 


From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 19 09:52:13 1998
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:04:56 +0200 (SAT)
From: Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Group of people
 [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I want the To:  field to look like this:

To: Group of people

I have received email like that or email which showed an adres like
@isp.co.za in the To:  field.

I am using smail and pine.

Johann


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Re: email to a group of people

1998-06-19 Thread M.C. Vernon
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Johann Spies wrote:

 Hallo,
 
 Is there a way to configure the To:  field of email sent out to a group
 of people to hide the whole list of receivers from the people receiving
 the message? 

snip

Add another header - Bcc, and put all their addresses in it:

Bcc: Some friends; [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

HTH,

Matthew


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Re: Tutor on bit and bitmasks

1998-06-19 Thread Marcus . Brinkmann
On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 10:08:48AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I need to set bits 0,1,4,5,6,7,11 for port 0x201.  I have NO IDEA how
 to calculate the bitmask!  Obviously I need to learn this stuff so were
 can I read up on this.

Read any book on analysis for undergraduates.

The base number of the decimal system is 10. For example, 9378 can be
read as
9*10^3 + 3*10^2 + 7*10^1 + 8*10^0

Note that 10^0=1, 10^1=10 and so on.

For computers, the base 10 is not commonly used, better
are 2, 8 and 16.

The bits are really the digits of numbers with base 2.
You want the number 10000011
^  ^ 
bit 11 bit 0

= 1*2^11+1*2^7+1*2^6+1*2^5+1*2^4+1*2^1+1*2^0
= 2048+127+64+32+16+2+1 = (left as an exercise for the reader)

But it is easier, because you have to supply the bit mask as
a hexadecimal number (0x), so you can take four base2-digits
and form a hexadecimal digit (base 16=2^4)

(you have to start from the back)
0011 (base2) = 3 (base 10) = 3 (base 16)
 (base2) =15 (base 10) = f (base 16)
1000 (base2) = 8 (base 10) = 8 (base 16)

So: 10000011 (base2) = 0x08f3

Note that the hexadecimalsystem has by convention the digits
0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,a,b,c,d,e,f

Marcus

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in.qpopper problems

1998-06-19 Thread dwhite
Hi,
I am experiencing problems on our linux gateway in that it is constantly
dialling out on our ISDN line and I get the following message constantly in
/usr/adm/messages


gate in.qpopper[355]:  (v2.2) Unable to get canonical name of client, err =
110

If you have suggestions to what could be causing this I would appreciate
it.

Many Thanks

Darren White


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Re: gcc not finding header / library files

1998-06-19 Thread E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)
 
 Hi.  I asked this question once before.  Unfortunately I did not
 phrase the question properly so the answer I got was helpful but not useful.
 Here goes again.
 
 I am running bo and I am have troubling compiling with gcc/g++.  The
 compiler does not find the prepocessor directive header files ie iostream
 etc unless I include a switch -B (or is it -L) with the path to my header
 and library files included.  Apparently I can set a enviornment variable so
 I won't have to do this all the time.  Who would I go about doing this?  Is
 there another way?

It's a -I switch for header files, and -L for libraries.  If properly
installed, g++ should find the C++ header files by default.  Are you
aware that you should use `g++' and not `gcc' ?

HTH,
Eric

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internal gcc error

1998-06-19 Thread Jens Lisner

Hi!

I've tried to compile the kernel-source (-2.0.33  -2.0.34) with
make-kpkg. I've got some messages i cant explain to me.

First make xconfig returned:

WARNING - broken Config.in!  CONFIG_ALPHA_BOOK1 was not declared!

What is it and where can i select it??

make-kpkg clean returned

...  test -d /usr/src/kernel-patches/i386/unpatch  run-parts --verbose
/usr/src/kernel-patches/i386/unpatch 
make: [clean] Error 1 (ignored)

And final 
make-kpkg -revision=custom.1.0 kernel-image returned

... 
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.34/include -Wall
-Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe
-m486 -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=586
-DMODULE -c -o namei.o namei.c 
gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 
make[3]: *** [namei.o] Error 1 
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.34/fs/msdos'
...

The error occured in other dirs if settings were changed.

whats wrong.

Jens



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Re: Partitioning questions.

1998-06-19 Thread Martin Str|mberg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote:
[Klippa, klapp, kluppit prelude.]
: How should I do the partition ? i've read the Partition 
: mini-Howto. Therefore I will anyway have:
: 
:   '/' - a root partition, 
:   '/swap' - a swap partition (32Mo).
: 
:   -1- To achieve what I want to do, I'll have to make a '/home' 
:   partition. Correct ?

Do you have any means to backup? No? Then that's a good idea.

:   -2- my friend an I have a 3Go and 4Go HDs resp. How many 
:   space should I give to the root partition (M$ mu$hroom will also 
:   be present: ~400Mo) ? That's the bootable partition and therefore, it 
:   will contains all the system file. True ?   

Yes and no. If you're only planning to have / and /home, then
yes. Personally I have a small root (for less corruption likelyhood
when the system crashes or the power goes (no crash yet, which wasn't
self-inflicted, for two years)), and then mount /home /usr and /var,
which are bigger. In this case, the answer is no. / is 64MB (not
anywhere near full), /home 500MB (always full - hehe - the usual
problem), /usr 500MB (a little cramped, next time I'll let it be
700MB) and /var 120MB (plenty of room, but if you expect a lot of
mail/news traffic perhaps bigger is necessary).

:   -3- Once I've my Debian CDs, how to overwrite the RH files ?

Just let the installation re-initialise your partitions (not /home of 
course).


Cocteau Twins, Blue Bell Knoll,

MartinS


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Re: /etc/init.d/boot message?

1998-06-19 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mark Yobb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I know how to use `dmesg` but I would really like to be able to get
the info that scrolls across my screen (on bootup) when /etc/init.d/boot is
executing.  Is this message sent to a log file or something?  How can I look
at this after booting?

No, that's not possible at the moment. It isn't stored anywhere.

Mike.
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wu-ftpd-academ question ?

1998-06-19 Thread Peter Shtinkov
I have hamm and wu-ftpd-academ ver 2.4.2.16-9 installed, but when I log
as anonymous i can't see directory listings.
Can anybody help me with this ?
Thanks.
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Re: ZIP ZIP+ drives -Infos found

1998-06-19 Thread Max Lawson
   Hello Adrian, 
 
 Thanx a lot for your answer. 
 
 Below are other interesting 
 informations I've received 
 from Phillipe Anderson.
 
 Regards, Max
 
 
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 From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jun 16 17:33 MET 1998
 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:33:57 +0200
 From: Philippe Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mime-Version: 1.0
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: ZIP  ZIP+ drives
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 
 Hello Max,
 
 Yes, the Parallel version of the ZIP drive is supported by default by
 all recent versions of the kernel (for sure as of 2.0.32, possibly with
 all 2.0.x). To enable support for it, recompile your kernel with SCSI
 support (yes, even if you haven't any SCSI adapter), SCSI disk support,
 and for the adaptor, choose Iomega PPA driver.
 
 Regarding the ZIP Plus, a driver have just been developed by Dave
 Campbell. See the following URL :
 
 http://www.torque.net/~campbell/ (file is imm.tar.gz)
 
 Beware : the code is in Alpha stage, but seems quite usable and stable
 enough (I'm using it - rarely - without problem). Also please note that
 ZIP+ only needs a special driver to be used in parallel mode ; if you've
 got a SCSI board, you don't have a problem.
 
 If you need documentation, go to the LDP (on sunsite), in the
 unmaintained/mini section, there is a ZIP-Drive.txt (it somewhat old :
 01/96 but still worth reading). I'm also in the business of publishing a
 updated version of the stuff, transformed in a full-blown sgml howto,
 but in the early draft stage as yet. Don't wait for it.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Ph. A.
 
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 From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 17 12:26 MET 1998
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SCITEX
 To: Max Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:25:56 +0200
 Subject: Re[2]: ZIP  ZIP+ drives
 Mime-Version: 1.0
 
 
 
 Hello again, Max.
 
 Just a word of warning since you mentionned you were considering the
 purchase of a ZIP and didn't own one yet. You might want to have a
 look at the Click of Death Home Page (see URL :
 http://www.thirdeyesp.com/jatin/iomega/). Recent ZIP drives seem to be
 vulnerable to some kind of disease called Click of Death. I own
 mine (ZIP+) for a few month and never had any problem, but also I must
 say that I don't use it quite often.
 
 Up to you to decide - just thought you'd rather hear about this before
 purchasing than after (as I had).
 
 Good luck. Bye.
 
 Ph. A.
 
 
 
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 Subject: Re: ZIP  ZIP+ drives
 Author:  Max Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] at SCITEX
 Date:6/17/98 8:29 AM
 
 
 
 
  Dear Phillipe,
  I thank you a lot for your answer.
 I still don't know which one I'm going to buy though :-(
 However, I'm quite happy to learn that work is in progress :-)
 First, I'm  going to have a running box !!
 Hope to see your Howto soon.
 Regards, Max.
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable

1998-06-19 Thread Guido Bozzetto
E.L. Meijer \(Eric\) wrote:
 It looks as though your system runs out of pid's (unlikely), or you hit
 your maximum number of processes (not impossible).  What does ulimit -a
 say about your max user processes?  How many processes are running?
 (try top, or `ps ax').
 
 ps ax | wc -l
 
 Eric

argo:~$ ulimit -a
core file size (blocks) unlimited
data seg size (kbytes)  unlimited
file size (blocks)  unlimited
max locked memory (kbytes)  unlimited
max memory size (kbytes)unlimited
open files  256
pipe size (512 bytes)   8
stack size (kbytes) 8192
cpu time (seconds)  unlimited
max user processes  256
virtual memory (kbytes) unlimited
argo:~$ ps ax | wc -l
106

The problem seems to appeare only launching XTERM from buttons on fvwm95
yesterday with:
argo:~$ xterm -ls -sb -fn 8x13 -title Color xterm 
there was the same problem, today only launching from button !?

The only difference from yesterday is that today I've started from 
Start - xterm 
when yesterday I was started with the button.

Thanks for attention,
  Guido.
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.maildelivery, to: line, exmh, spam

1998-06-19 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.

reading through a newsgroup, someone pointed out what should have been 
obvious:  bulk emailings almost never have a to: or cc: in the header, and 
that mail could be filtered to a junk box in this manner.

But looking through the exmh documentation about .maildelivery, this doesn't 
seem to be an option:  I can sort by the contents of any field, but it doesn't 
mention the *existence* of any field.

Or would 

  To*   | ?   /usr/lib/mh/rcvstore +inbox

put an article into the inbox if there was something in the To line, and do 
nothing if no such line existed?

rick

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Re: Partitioning questions.

1998-06-19 Thread Max Lawson
Hi !

I thank you all for the informations you gave me about 
disk partitioning. 

I now have a running box :) with Debian Gnu/Linux 1.3.1, 
not Red Hat 5.0 :). 

The bad news are that I can't run the Xserver :( I'll put 
this question in an another thread. 

Regards, Max

 From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 18 22:30 MET 1998
 To: Max Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Partitioning questions.
 From: Jens Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 18 Jun 1998 22:40:25 +0200
 
 Max Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Hi all, 
  
  Today's is a great day. A friend of mine and I are going 
  to have our boxes. 
  
  I'm in trouble: I need to have the boxes ready quickly. 
  i've ordered Hamm CDs, but haven't received them yet. All 
  I've available is RH5.0 CDs.
  
  i'm _going_ to install it _first_. The way I would like to 
  do this job is that I should be able to overwrite this 
  distribution, once I've received the Debian CDs. _Without_
  destroying my data. 
  
  How should I do the partition ? i've read the Partition 
  mini-Howto. Therefore I will anyway have:
  
  '/' - a root partition, 
  '/swap' - a swap partition (32Mo).
  
  -1- To achieve what I want to do, I'll have to make a '/home' 
  partition. Correct ?
 
 Yes.
 
  -2- my friend an I have a 3Go and 4Go HDs resp. How many 
  space should I give to the root partition (M$ mu$hroom will also 
  be present: ~400Mo) ? That's the bootable partition and therefore, it 
  will contains all the system file. True ?   
 
 No. The dos partition will just contain that. During the install
 another partition is made bootable and you may choose on bootup which
 one to run. 
 
 Root ( == / ) will contain, /root, some mount
 points ( /dos, /fd, /mnt, /home ), the configuration files ( /etc ) and /usr
 where most of the files will reside.
 
 This is my system (some free partitions are missing):
 Filesystem 1024-blocks  Used Available Capacity Mounted on
 /dev/hda3  50749   1255635573 26%   /
 /dev/md0  991000  705500   234289 75%   /usr
 /dev/hda6 495714   57999   412114 12%   /var
 /dev/hdc3 792800  71791233923 95%   /home
 /dev/hdc42737799 254500551233 98%   /home/ftp/pub2
 /dev/hda1 923040  240576   682464 26%   /dos
 
 (Don´t get confused by the names for the partitions --- I run this
 system for about 6 month now. So the used figures give some idea what
 is needed for a medium/heavy development site :). /home/ftp/pub2 is a
 hamm debian mirror.  
 
  
  -3- Once I've my Debian CDs, how to overwrite the RH files ?
 
 Best is, you partition your hard disk according to your needs right
 now and just do a fresh install of debian (without overwriting /home).
 (AFAIK the layout of files in /etc differs, so you will get files
 lying around, if you install debian above redhat.) 
 
 HTH,
 
 Jens 
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Re: /etc/init.d/boot message?

1998-06-19 Thread David Wright
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Mark Yobb wrote:
 
 I know how to use `dmesg` but I would really like to be able to get
 the info that scrolls across my screen (on bootup) when /etc/init.d/boot is
 executing.  Is this message sent to a log file or something?  How can I look
 at this after booting?

Simple. Just use shift page up and down. This works at any time, just so
long as you don't switch consoles.

Cheers,

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Re: Mesa

1998-06-19 Thread Jaakko Niemi
 On Wed, Jun 17, 1998 at 08:35:43PM +0300, Jaakko Niemi wrote:
   Does anyone have any idea how long until Mesa3.0 libraries will be 
   debianized?
   (Appararently it is req'd by the latest version of Blender. :(. ).
  
   When they are out of beta, I guess. It's pretty easy to compile them 
   yourself though, just put them in /usr/local/lib and put a 
   LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib before executing Blender.
 
 /etc/ld.so.conf should include /usr/local/lib by default anyway I think,
 so you don't need the LD_LIBRARY_PATH. If it isn't in there you can certainly
 add it and run ldconfig.

 I have 2.6 debs installed for other purposes and have to use LD... stuff
 to get for example Quake working with ref_gl and Mesa 3 betas compiled
 with glide support. I did few scripts to start apps with right options (have to
 write deacent wrappers some day).

 Hmm. Has anybody thought of mesa-glide.x.y debs ? 

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Re: 1021 cylinders(?), 8.4GB, and FreeBSD

1998-06-19 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.
hamish wrote,


  Can I change my disk geometry now?  Or will this kill everything?  Or is 
  there 
  another way to boot FreeBSD?  as near as I can tell, even with the floppy, 
  it 
  wants it's root partition in the first 1023, even when using the boot 
  diskette; and in spite of my alleged geometry, it gives a report of C 
  1023 
  exceeded or some such.

 I think you definately want LBA. I don't think you can change it after
 the fact, though.

In that case, it probably waits until my boss's machine arrives and I can 
stash my whole disk on his :)

 I have FreeBSD installed starting half way through a 3.2gb disk, and
 the second disk at that (hdb/wd2). It works okay, I've never encountered
 this  1024 thing with either Linux or FreeBSD. But I don't know much about
 BSD and haven't really had much luck/time with it.

I never had this problem with MacBSD.  I can install FreeBSD, no problem 
(there's a couple of oddities about sequence, such as happened if you had 
mildly non-conforming software in debian 1.1, or tried to use images on the 
hard-disk in 1.3, as well as not starting up the network in time to use ftp 
sites other than the primary).  And it runs, including X, at the same time.  
But then I can't restart without faking an install . . .

There's mostly just a couple of standard utilities that I want to play with BSD 
versions of, then use to replace the GNU versions used by debian.  
Particularly, ftp--there's stuff I used in it, like page, that GNU doesn't 
have.  (for that matter, every time I've noticed a difference between GNU and 
BSD stuff, I've strongly preferred BSD).

mount_union also has a lot of allure . . . and netscape's phone-thing is 
available for bsd, but not linux.  I have speak-freely working, but it doesn't 
intertalk with macs . . .

on the other hand, freebsd apparently doesn't have drivers for my scsi card, 
making using my zip a non-issue (fdomain 16xx).

On yet another hand (i'm an economist; i get lots of other hands), I daydream 
about a debian-derived system that draws primarily from bsd rather than gnu . . 
.

rick

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Re: The juggernaught expands?

1998-06-19 Thread sjc
On Fri, Jun 19, 1998 at 03:33:00PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 02:33:36PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  LIKE Word...but please NOT word!
 
 Let's not get hysterical.
 
  I mean really...its a word processor...nice to have but...come on...
  they can't even keep it compatible with older versions of itself!
 
 What? Word 97 can read back to Word 2 and probably Word 1.1 for Windows,
 as well as Word 5 for DOS etc. Word 97 can write Word 95 format too if
 you get the service pack (95 writing support is a bit broken without it),
 and Word 2 too I think.

ahh yes...but..most people don't know about that. Here at work we have
Office95. We suuport Office95...people with Office97 are unsupported
until we offciqally upgrade. Often someone comes across a file that
they can not open because it is in the new format. 

  and just think of all the benefits of having word... Word Macro Viruses,
  a completely asinine file format. 
 
 Word warns you that the document contains macros before opening it and
 gives you the option of removing them.

Ahh does it? I think not. I have never seen it ask UNTIL I 
open scanprot.dot and let it install its Macros into normal.dot.

and speaking of normal.dot...that is opne funky file anyway. I don't
know how many times I have seen someone with Word problems...no virus
found, but when I delete normal.dot (to force its re-creation) the problems
go away. 

-Steve


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Re: libc.so.5.44 ?

1998-06-19 Thread Bjoern Fischer
On Mon, Jun 15, 1998 at 05:07:02PM -0700, Luiz Otavio L. Zorzella wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 at blackdown site (http://www.blackdown.org), the site that holds most
 of the information on java and linux, they say that their libc5 jdk
 depends on libc.so.5.44 or above.
 
 I looked for it in the debian archives, but found that libc5 only goes
 till 5.38 in debian.
 
 Is there a solution to that problem (besides using the glibc version
 of the jdk)?

AFAIK a proper libc is distributed with the jdk packages from
blackdown. Currently I'm using jdk-1.1.6v1 out of the box on
a flat bo (libc-5.4.33) w/o noticing any libc-related problems.

  Bjørn


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mail notifiers

1998-06-19 Thread Brian Morgan
Are there any good mail notification programs available for Debian?  I'm
especially interested in big flashy packages with lots of bells,
whistles, etc.  One that could run as a screensaver would be cool.

Thanks,

Brian Morgan

PS:  I'm having trouble sending / receiving messages to this listserv
from my debian machine.  I can send and receive from all other outside
email sources, but for some reason, I'm not getting through to this
listserv.I got the confirmation email back, and responded to it with
the correct info. in the subject line, etc.  Does anyone know if the
listserv is having any problems right now?


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AFIO usage...

1998-06-19 Thread Jay Barbee

I was wondering how I would use AFIO to replace they way I use tar.  Here is a 
sample:
tar c -X /root/backup/exclude -f /mnt/scratch/linux/backup.tar /

What I do not know how to do is exclude several file which are listed in the 
file 
exclude which looks like:
---
/cdrom
/home/public/old-system-backup/*
cache*
core
---

The TAR command works, but I cannot figure out how to use AFIO in the same 
manner.

Thanks,
--Jay


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Re: xman

1998-06-19 Thread sjc
On Fri, Jun 19, 1998 at 10:02:15AM +, Ulisses Alonso wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 
 Hi Mark!
 
 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Mark Yobb wrote:
 
  
  Hi folks!
  
  I am running Debian 1.3.1 (bo) and I can't seem to find xman.  I know it
  comes with my CD because I had it installed at one time.  What .deb package
  is xman included in? 
 
 I suggest you to use tkman instead, its a tcl/tk manpage browser (not
 just pager), you will have to download it cause it's in the non-free
 section

I would be even more bold...install apache web server and install dwww.
dwww is really nice, it lets you browse man pages AND everything under 
/usr/doc all from a web based interface. Just use insert name of 
favorite web browser here to acess it on http://yourhost/dwww
its really a sweet package

as for xman...I always did like xman..and really wanted to have it again
...I found dwww a few days ago and I forgot all about my longing
for xman...I feel whole again.

 Computers are useless. They can only give answers.Pablo Picasso

hmm obviuously not a very imaginitive person ;)

-Steve


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[URGENT] Setting up the Xserver w/ an ATI XPERT@WORK card . Thanx

1998-06-19 Thread Max Lawson
Hi, 

I've a box freshly installed and running Debian Gnu/Linux 1.3.1.

I can't run the Xserver. Here are the concerned specifications: 


- Card ATI [EMAIL PROTECTED] (4Mo)

- Screen: 
+ Scanning frequency: H30KHz-86KHz/ V50Hz-120Hz
+ Resolution: 1280x1024, 1024x768, 1600x1200, 800x600, 640x480
+ Pix Rate: 130MHz maximum (what is it for ?)

Here's the way I've configured the server. 
- Installed the XF86_Mach64 server (XFree86 v3.3 Released: 1997-01-02)
as the default X server.

- Installed xfont-base.

- The XF86Config specifications I've input are: 
+ ATI Mach64 IBM rgb514 RAMDAC.
+ Video RAM 4Mo
+ Scan rates: those above.


Running 'startx' hangs the system up. 
I could retrieve the messages running 'startx  out' and rebooting. 
They are: 
Too little memory fo mode  
No valid mode found
according to the way I precisely configure the server.


Could you please help me ? I've seen another thread about the type 
of problem. And It seems to me that I've _almost_ done the right way !?


Thanx in advance, Max





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Re: internal gcc error

1998-06-19 Thread Gary L. Hennigan
Jens Lisner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| Hi!
| 
| I've tried to compile the kernel-source (-2.0.33  -2.0.34) with
| make-kpkg. I've got some messages i cant explain to me.
[hopefully someone else can help you with the make-kpkg stuff]
| And final 
| make-kpkg -revision=custom.1.0 kernel-image returned
| 
| ... 
| gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.34/include -Wall
| -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strength-reduce -pipe
| -m486 -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=586
| -DMODULE -c -o namei.o namei.c 
| gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 
| make[3]: *** [namei.o] Error 1 
| make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.34/fs/msdos'
| ...
| 
| The error occured in other dirs if settings were changed.
| 
| whats wrong.

Well, sig11 during kernel compiles isn't good news. Take a look at

http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11

The short of it is that often times this means you've got a hardware
problem. Likely a bad memory chip. This seems even more likely in your 
case because it's occuring at different locations each time.

Good Luck!
Gary


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old scsi controller

1998-06-19 Thread Jens Lisner

Hi all!

is it possible to make linux work with an old ADAPTEC AH 1505 SCSI
controller? (it has no bios)
i found that 152x controllers are supported, but they dont seem to work.

Jens



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smail errors

1998-06-19 Thread Zachary DeAquila

Hi, I've got
Linux zachs 2.0.32 #1 Tue Nov 25 17:21:48 CST 1997 i686 unknown
running
ii  smail   3.2.0.92-3 Electronic mail transport system.
and smail has started exiting apparently randomly; I'm wondering if 
1) anyone has suggestions on how/why it might do so
2) whether debian 2.0 is stable enough that I should just upgrade my
system and hope that fixes things.  (production system that a couple
dozen people (including me) depend on )

TIA,

  --Zachary


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Download speed

1998-06-19 Thread Sture Palminger
Hi all

Have installed a BOCA 56K Internet Modem. When downloading from Win95 i normally
get a speed of 4.5-5.2 Kb/s but with Linux (hamm) only 2.5-3.0 Kb/s.
When running Win95 the RD led is glowing almost all the time. 
With Linux the led is often blinking and is black for longer periods  10 sec.
Recording the download in 2 sec intervall indicates max speeds of upp to
5.0 Kb/s even with Linux.
As I understand it is the breaks during downloading that givs a low overall fi-
gure. Is it my computer, the line or the ftp that causes the breaks. The line,
ftp and the file are the same and the diff in time is ~ 10 - 15 min which I 
assume have a minor influence sinc tests have bin done several times always with
the same result. Remains the difference i OS. I assume that this can bee fixed
som way or another but dont know how.

Does anybody know how to fix this or where to find articles about modems in
combination whith Linux and Internet?

Regards
Sture Palminger   


 

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Re: AFIO usage...

1998-06-19 Thread Michael Acklin
Jay,

I just picked up a package called KBackup and it uses AFIO. I had never
heard of AFIO until I installed KBackup. I is somewhat like Taper, but a
lot more in depth. It will allow you to define INCLUDES and EXCLUDES in the
configuration. 

Very simple to set up and real easy to install. It uses scripts to
accomplish the manupliation of AFIO and all the other programs it needs.
You can get a copy of the source at http://www.phy.hw.ac.uk/~karsten/KBackup/.

HTH


Mike

At 09:22 AM 6/19/98 -0500, you wrote:

I was wondering how I would use AFIO to replace they way I use tar.  Here
is a 
sample:
tar c -X /root/backup/exclude -f /mnt/scratch/linux/backup.tar /

What I do not know how to do is exclude several file which are listed in
the file 
exclude which looks like:
---
/cdrom
/home/public/old-system-backup/*
cache*
core
---

The TAR command works, but I cannot figure out how to use AFIO in the same 
manner.

Thanks,
--Jay


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Re: lpr versus lprng

1998-06-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Jun 19, 1998 at 10:00:44AM +, Ulisses Alonso wrote:
 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Mark Yobb wrote:
  What is the difference?  Please be verbose!
 lprng is 100% compatible with lpr (the same features, commandline,
 programs and basic configuration)
 
 It's design and implementation is much much better
 It's more documented (very good documentation)
 It has more capabilities, and diagnostic aids
 It's ported to virtually any Un*x system
 It's a very accurate work, just see some source files...
 It's also supported by magicfilter (lpr configuration tool)

Yet some dummies like me just can't get it running. The bounce queues
idea sounds great, but I never got it to work. I use dodgy scripts
and pipes with lpr instead.

Hamish
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cleaning up

1998-06-19 Thread Zachary DeAquila

I've been running debian on a certain system since about v0.93 or so;
It's a great system and I've loved beinga ble to just keep upgrading it wihtout
having to go in for long downtimes.

However, I now have some packages listed int eh Obslete section that I think 
should
be gotten rid of, but I'm kind of scared to touch 'em... for instance..

--- Obsolete/local Required packages in section base ---
 *** Req base base 1.1.0-14none
- Obsolete/local Optional packages -
--- Obsolete/local Optional packages in section devel ---
 *** Opt devellibpam   0.50-1  none
--- Obsolete/local Optional packages in section net ---
 *** Opt net  xntp 3.5f-4  none
- Obsolete/local Extra packages -
--- Obsolete/local Extra packages in section admin ---
 *** Xtr adminnpasswd_boul 1.2.2-1 none
--- Obsolete/local Extra packages in section devel ---
 *** Xtr develaout-librl   2.0.3-4 none
 *** Xtr develslang-lib0.99.23-1   none

can I remove the 'base' package?  it claims to be obsolete, and contains
mostly /dev/* and the root dir structure...  and the others? which are
safely removable?

All help appreciated...

  --Zachary


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How to get started?

1998-06-19 Thread Marcus Johnson
Howdy all,

I've got an old computer currently running Win95 that I want to delete
Win95 completely and make just Linux box.  I've never installed Debian
before and want to make this fairly painless.  How do I go about doing
this? Which version of Debian would you recommend and how can I get a
CD-ROM with that version.

Thanks!

Marcus


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Re: How to get started?

1998-06-19 Thread Ulisses Alonso Camaro
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Hi Marcus!

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Marcus Johnson wrote:

 Howdy all,
 
 I've got an old computer currently running Win95 that I want to delete
 Win95 completely and make just Linux box. 

Are you already a Unix user? if yes go on, if not I discourage you on
delete Win95, quite probably you will miss some utilities/apps 

You can install Linux without deletion/reinstall of Win95

Look at a package called FIPS, You will can resize your Win95 FA16/FAT32
partition and install Linux on the free space left

regards,

Ulisses
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Re: smail errors

1998-06-19 Thread joost


On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Zachary DeAquila wrote:

 Hi, I've got
 Linux zachs 2.0.32 #1 Tue Nov 25 17:21:48 CST 1997 i686 unknown
 running
 ii  smail   3.2.0.92-3 Electronic mail transport system.
 and smail has started exiting apparently randomly; I'm wondering if 
 1) anyone has suggestions on how/why it might do so
 2) whether debian 2.0 is stable enough that I should just upgrade my
 system and hope that fixes things.  (production system that a couple
 dozen people (including me) depend on )

Debian 2.0, though not released officially, is very stable.  Upgrading is
not as easy as just updating a couple of packages, because you are
upgrading your whole system at once.  Nevertheless, it can be done safely
and while running multi-user (no rebooting with a rescue floppy or
*shudder* repartitioning your disks), if you do it the right way.

Look for the upgrade-HOWTO or wait a few days for the official Hamm beta
to be announced.  The announcement will have pointers to upgrade
documentation.

Cheers,


Joost

Note: when you upgrade a smail that runs from inetd, check /etc/inetd.conf
and look if still has a line for smtp.  Smail has recently had a habit of
leaving it commented out or even removing the line altogether. 



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Re: How to get started?

1998-06-19 Thread M.C. Vernon

  I've got an old computer currently running Win95 that I want to delete
  Win95 completely and make just Linux box. 
 
 Are you already a Unix user? if yes go on, if not I discourage you on
 delete Win95, quite probably you will miss some utilities/apps 

I disagree. I took up Debian from scratch having been a W3.1 user.
 
 You can install Linux without deletion/reinstall of Win95
 
 Look at a package called FIPS, You will can resize your Win95 FA16/FAT32
 partition and install Linux on the free space left

If you have a quick net connection you can probably get away without a CD.

Either way I would recommend Hamm (version 2) - It's very stable, and due
for release soon. Some of the people on this list will I think burn CDs
for you.

HTH,

Matthew

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Re: in.qpopper problems

1998-06-19 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
The qpopper wants to log the fully qualified domain name of anyone who accesses 
it.
If you can find out who's doing it you can add an entry for them in /etc/hosts 
and
make sure that /etc/host.conf says 'order hosts,bind'.

dwhite wrote:

 Hi,
 I am experiencing problems on our linux gateway in that it is 
 constantly
 dialling out on our ISDN line and I get the following message constantly in
 /usr/adm/messages

 gate in.qpopper[355]:  (v2.2) Unable to get canonical name of client, err =
 110

 If you have suggestions to what could be causing this I would appreciate
 it.

 Many Thanks

 Darren White

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RE: [URGENT] Setting up the Xserver w/ an ATI XPERT@WORK card . T hanx

1998-06-19 Thread Hogland, Thomas E.
I am using a Rage Pro card in my Compaq - you need the latest Mach64 server
- it's 3.3.2 or 3.3.4 or something like that (I'm at work and can't check
right now!). The 3.3 server doesn't work with the Rage Pro chip... I used
dselect at ftp.debian.org to update - I was referred to xfree86.org, but
checked there and the new one is out in the distributions according to them.

I think I was the earlier thread you are referring to :-)

Good luck!

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   + Pix Rate: 130MHz maximum (what is it for ?)
 
 Here's the way I've configured the server. 
   - Installed the XF86_Mach64 server (XFree86 v3.3 Released:
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   as the default X server.
 


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Re: /etc/init.d/boot message?

1998-06-19 Thread Ed Cogburn
David Wright wrote:
 
 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Mark Yobb wrote:
 
  I know how to use `dmesg` but I would really like to be able to get
  the info that scrolls across my screen (on bootup) when /etc/init.d/boot is
  executing.  Is this message sent to a log file or something?  How can I look
  at this after booting?
 
 Simple. Just use shift page up and down. This works at any time, just so
 long as you don't switch consoles.
 
 Cheers,
 


Parts of the boot up text can be found afterwords in /var/log/messages.

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re: palmpilot III and ibm thinkpad 760xl

1998-06-19 Thread SEGV
I just got a Palm Pilot Professional two days ago. Last night I got pilot-link
running, no problems whatsoever, hardly read the README. Managed to install some
drawing programs, and the getrom program, and downloaded my ROM, and got the
xcopilot emulator running. Now I use it to test programs before I install them.

I never even bothered to boot down to NT or 95 to try the CDROM that came with
the Pilot.

I compiled all the tools. I use Debian 2.0. I have a PS/2 mouse, and don't have
a modem, so my serial ports are free.

The README suggested to cd /dev ; ln ttyS0 pilot to create a /dev/pilot
device for convenience. I found pilot-xfer was looking for /dev/pilot even
when I specified the serial port. That is, it was ignoring that command line
option. So do that and try pilot-xfer -l.

So... when is Debian packaging Linux for Palm Pilot?  ;-)

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Re: xman

1998-06-19 Thread Ed Cogburn
Mark Yobb wrote:
 
 Hi folks!
 
 I am running Debian 1.3.1 (bo) and I can't seem to find xman.  I know it
 comes with my CD because I had it installed at one time.  What .deb package
 is xman included in?
 
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xman lives in the xcontrib package.

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Re: real audio for slink?

1998-06-19 Thread Igor Grobman
Some time around  Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:19:48 EDT, 
 Paul McDermott wrote:
  hello my debian user friends, i got my soundcard to work.  It was a pnp
  awe64.  ok, is there an installer for the realaudio player for the slink
  version.  I now there is one for bo and hamm.  The one under slink uses
  old libs ie xlib6, g++27, and lib5 i don't want to put them on unless I
  have to.  Any help would be much appreciated.
  thanks,
  paul
  
 

I don't think real.com has released a libc6 version yet.  Given the fact that 
it's totally non-free binary-only software you have no choice but to install 
libc5-based libs whether you use the installer or not.
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Re: Bug#23695: fvwm2: seems to be reading some hook files twice?

1998-06-19 Thread Mike Schmitz
On Fri, Jun 19, 1998 at 12:08:04PM +0200, Yann Dirson wrote:
 Branden Robinson writes:
   Package: fvwm2
   Version: 2.0.46-BETA-3
   Severity: normal
   
   After a recent upgrade of fvwm2, the window manager seems to be processing
   at least some of my $HOME/.fvwm2/*.hook files twice.  Used to be, the
   attached main-menu-pre.hook file did the expected thing.  Now, the menus
   I custom-made get doubled up (see the attached X window dumps in PNG 
 format).
 
 Well, I never took time to fully investigate, but I do have a similar,
 though not identical problem: I get 2 FvwmButtons and 3 FvwmPager, the
 former causing 2 of each swallowed app to be launched, and seem not to
 like it when one hides the other...

Mine was doing something similar til I put a Plus sign before the initial-
ization of the module. Such as:

+ Module FvwmPager  0 0

I don't remember why I tried that, but it fixed the problem. 

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Re: Debian and Afterstep1.4.5.3-1

1998-06-19 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 08:27:10AM +, Rev. Joseph Carter wrote:

 Dock appears to do nothing but be a place to dock things to. Fiend does
 this too, but it's not glued to a side and I can't get the window manager
 to move it to an out of the way place.

you can collapse the Fiend (renamed to Clip on 0.15.x) double clicking it...
you can move it to a corner, on the same side as the dock, and it works
pretty fine for me...

 Fiend either needs to become docked or replace the dock icon or something
 if it's not going to annoy me significantly.

you can wmaker -nodock and it will have no dock, move the fiend to a side,
and collapse it... you can even run wmaker -nodock -nofiend... be warned:
this will kill the dock configuration (you are essentially asking to clear
the dock and the fiend, so this behaviour is NOT a bug)

 Essentially, it doesn't feel right to me and it doesn't help that I have
 no idea how to do anything I haven't described here with it. The config
 files looked more like a C program or a sh script than a file with
 settings and the like.

There's a program to aid configuring WindowMaker, but I haven't had the
chance to package it... look in /usr/doc/wmaker/README.Debian, I put some
pointers there for documentation...


Marcelo


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