Re: Kernel 2.0.34
On Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 07:02:54PM +0200, J. Parera wrote: P.D. yo antes utilizaba el kernel 2.0.30 y me deba menos problemas que el actual. J., una pregunta? Estas usando los fuentes tal cual o estas usando el paquete de -src de Debian? (No es necesario que bajes todos el paquete, con solo el .diff.gz vale)... en debian-user no he visto quejas tan amplias como las tuyas respecto al 2.0.34... ;-) Saludos, Marcelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hamm? Donde
He visto en la caratula del CD-ROM de PROGRAMACIÓN ACTUAL (n.16) el siguiente titulo Última versión del Kernel LINUX 2.0.34 Espero que sea lo que mas de uno esta esperando ... si alguien con un poco de tiempo lo comprueba que me/nos diga si es o no cierto. Saludos, Narcís. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Esto no es Debian pero es curioso
Hola, Voy al grano: Mi hermano trabaja en una empresa donde han instalado Unix recientemente en un PC que funcionara como servidor de una red de terminales para hacer encuestas y tal. - ¿Unix en un PC? !! yo creia que Linux era el Unix para PC, y que el Unix solo funcionaba en estaciones de trabajo. - No, tambien existe Unix para PC desde hace tiempo. (A veces me irrita esta forma suya de hablar). - Pero Pepe, Unix no es gratis. ¿Por que Unix y no Linux? - No lo se. Los que le vendieron a mi jefe el programa para las encuestas lo instalaban todo junto. Yo permaneci al margen. Mi hermano no es muy adicto a los entornos Unix, aunque los ha usado y pronto se pondra al dia de nuevo. El caso es que su Unix no tiene sistema de ventanas y quiere ponerle uno. Yo le he dicho que se lo conseguiria, he pensado en un servidor SVGA X11 y KDE como gestor de ventanas. Pero, que paquetes necesito bajarme? Mirando en ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch, me encuentro con que la ultima version es la X11R6.4 ¿Me aconsejan esta? Puede alguien aconsejarme sobre los paquetes que necesito para las X? Tendre que coger los fuentes y compilarlos alli, supongo. No se que sistema operativo tiene (¿Solaris o Sun?) Perdon por mandar este mensaje a la lista de Linux Debian, pero me parecio conveniente comentar esto del Unix para PC. Gracias, Octavio _ Octavio Rodriguez Perez ETS Ingenieros de Telecomunicacion Universidad de Las Palmas de Gran Canaria Canary Islands - Spain e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem compiling kernel 2.0.34 under Debian 1.3.1
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Shaleh wrote: gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 sig11 (signal 11) is often a sign of a hardware problem. Either you machine is over/under clocked, over heating, has a memory glitch or something. Sig 11 can also be one of the problems that appears and then never re-appears. The sysetm is not over or under clocked as far as I know. I will double check. However, I think it is overheating because I have been looking at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ (as suggested by someone else on the list) and got the idea to try make repeatedly. Sure enough, it stalls quicker and quicker every time I try it, but if I leave the system idle for a few minutes then try again it goes a little further. Thank you to all who responded. Now I just have to figure out WHAT is overheating. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Bootdisk problem
Hello, I am trying to create a custom bootdisk so that I may be able to restore my old setup off of a tapedrive. I have one problem, I am unable to get the bootdisk to boot. The kernel loads and the root image is read into the Ramdisk and then mounted read-only, but then when init is suppose to start it does not. I have it copied on to the root partition, but nothing happens. If anyone can just tell me exactly what must be on the root image for a simple usable prompt please let me know. I have looked at the howto on bootdisks and it was only a help up to this point. Again thank you. Alex -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Mutt configuration
On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 09:27:08AM -0700, Mike Schmitz wrote: set nohold set mbox=~/mbox Mike, Thanks for the info. The 'nohold' variable was unrecognized by Mutt when I added it to the Muttrc file, however, it did point me in the right direction. Another search of the docs turned up a reference to the 'move' variable. When I set it to 'yes', everything started working like I wanted it to. I reread the docs on the mbox-hook command and finally realized I didn't need it since I'm not using multiple spoolfiles. Oh well, live and learn I always say. Thanks again for the help! Mike -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
kernel canot find map file
With your help I have successfully compiled kernel 2.0.34 now that my fan is blowing through the computer. Obviously a temporary solution, but that's not why I'm writing this message... I get this in /var/log/messages: Jul 6 16:59:56 server2 syslogd 1.3-3#17: restart. Jul 6 16:59:56 server2 kernel: Cannot find map file. Jul 6 16:59:56 server2 kernel: Loaded 43 symbols from 4 modules. when my computer boots with the new kernel. Does this mean I have done something wrong (again)? If you need more info, feel free to ask. I haven't the foggiest idea what a map file is... -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Package to list all other packages in distribution?
A wonderful idea. If Linux is to achieve world domination s Hank Fay -Original Message- From: Peter S Galbraith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 06, 1998 10:38 AM To: Debian Users Mailing List Cc: Peter S Galbraith Subject: Package to list all other packages in distribution? Wouldn't it be great if there was a Debian package to list, decribe and index all other packages? Imagine having .html files that describe every nifty tool on the CD, perhaps even with an `Install it!' buttom. Does such a tool already exist? I've been using Debian for over a year and I'm still surprised to find out what's available! (And yes, this `local' browser tool would be better than the search tools on Linux web sites) -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maurice Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada. 418-775-0852 FAX: 775-0546 6623'rd Linux user at the Linux Counter -- http://counter.li.org/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 09:51:52PM +0200, Shiraz Sayani wrote: I seem to have been receiving some spam which started after I asked a question on this list (note the new mung). Has anyone else had the same? Am I being paranoid, or is it possible some spammer is mining the archives of these lists? As a matter of fact, I too have received a few... one from some jerk on AOL advertising 'beanie-baby grab-bags' and one from... heck, can't remember which major news net, ZDNET maybe? (didn't save it) :(... exclaiming all the 'neato' features of Windoze 98 ;/ Mike -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
WARNING: libc6_2.0.7r-3 and r-4 CRITICAL BUG
Those of you beta-testing Debian 2.0 need to be aware of a critical bug in the libc6 package, version 2.0.7r-3 and 2.0.7r-4. If you received a 2.0 beta CD, or last upgraded your 2.0 install just after it went beta, this does not affect you. Any programs dynamically linked with libc6 (i.e. everything) will segfault (crash) if you have an /etc/ld.so.preload file or have the LD_PRELOAD environment variable set. This can hose your system. Fixed packages have just finished processing through the Incoming queue and will soon be mirrored on ftp.debian.org (perhaps by the time you read this message). They will be named 'libc6_2.0.7r-5.deb'. (i386 md5sum: 41f2f31fd349d33d7f0a3e508dd65982) -- Robert Woodcock - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unix and C are the ultimate computer viruses -- Richard Gabriel -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: hmm... an idea
The IP changes every 24 hours. hmm.. If the two hosts were in the same domain, it shouldn't make a difference (except for secondary servers), right? My interest in doing this is that my ISP only charges additional baudwidth for static IPs... so, I could have a large site on a dynamic IP and a small DNS and mail server on the dynamic. -Paul On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Tod Detre wrote: How dynamic is the ip? What I'm getting at is that it takes time to have a hostname propogate through the internet (sometimes up to a week). So if you get this working, and if you're changing ip's every day then some computers on the other side of the world may still point to an ip that has already changed 5-7 times already. On Sun, Jul 05, 1998 at 06:42:07PM -0400, Paul Miller wrote: On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, George Bonser wrote: On Sun, 5 Jul 1998, Paul Miller wrote: I have 1 static IP and I'm thinking about getting an additional dynamic IP. I'm not exactly sure on how DHCP works, but is there a way to have the my DNS server (on static IP) updated when the dynamic IP changes? THanks -Paul If you are wanting the host assigned by DHCP to be reachable from the internet, yeah, you will need something to update your zone file and restart DNS. There are several DYNDNS packages around, sign up for the systalk mailing list at ml.org and make an inquiry there. Yeah. hmm.. how will the dynamic computer know when its IP changes? Is it possible to run a script to notify the name server? Thanks, -Paul -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Tod Detre |If the women don't find you handsome, they should at | least find you handy. -Red Green |It is TOD not TODD! Do you see God spelling his name | Godd? -Me -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Gateway
Has anyone recently installed Debian on a new Gateway system ? What works, doesn't work ? Please mail me. Thanks, Matthew -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Needed: NEC CDrom drive info
G'day -- I am happily running a 24x NEC CD-Rom drive 464 (as reported in my /var/log/messages) alongside two SCSI-2 HDs on a NCR53c815 based card. Now I am trying to use a souncard (FWIW, Ensoniq soundscape, *non* PnP one...) and am confused as to which audio cables to use between the CD and the soundcard: souncard gives me three diff options: matsushita, mitsumi or sony, but I can not find any inf anywhere on the net, including NEC site, that would reveal which audio cable works with 464 drive. Does anyone out there have any clue about this? Any and all info greatly appreciated... regards, damir -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Needed: NEC CDrom drive info
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:14:06 -0400, Damir J. Naden wrote: souncard gives me three diff options: matsushita, mitsumi or sony, but I can not find any inf anywhere on the net, including NEC site, that would reveal which audio cable works with 464 drive. Does anyone out there have any clue about this? Any and all info greatly appreciated... This may sound like a flippant respons, but believe me, it is not. Use the plug that fits. The three you list have completely different plug styles and it is obvious from one to the next which ones will and will not fit. -- Steve C. Lamb | Opinions expressed by me are not my http://www.calweb.com/~morpheus| employer's. They hired me for my ICQ: 5107343 | skills and labor, not my opinions! ---+- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
What package has patch?
Hi all, Which package contains the patch utility? I've installed perl-base, perl-tk and the basic perl5 package and I was sure one of these would have it, but guess not. So where is it? Thanks, Chris -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Gateway
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, matthew tebbens wrote: Has anyone recently installed Debian on a new Gateway system ? What works, doesn't work ? There are too many different Gateway models for someone else's experience to be meaningful. Computer brand isn't very important for compatibility purposes. If you tell what kind of video card and modem/ethernet you have, you'll get a more informative response. Those are the two components most likely to give trouble. Also, some machines for a while had the Promise EIDE card, which can cause problems. If you have a new machine be sure to grab the 2.0.34 kernel which will support newer hardware better. The bottom line is that if you've already bought the computer, you may as well try it. :-) If you haven't, have a look at VA Research (www.varesearch.com) or other vendors that sell hardware guaranteed to work with Linux. Havoc Pennington http://pobox.com/~hp -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
Mike Merten wrote: On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 09:51:52PM +0200, Shiraz Sayani wrote: I seem to have been receiving some spam which started after I asked a question on this list (note the new mung). Has anyone else had the same? Am I being paranoid, or is it possible some spammer is mining the archives of these lists? As a matter of fact, I too have received a few... one from some jerk on AOL advertising 'beanie-baby grab-bags' and one from... heck, can't remember which major news net, ZDNET maybe? (didn't save it) :(... exclaiming all the 'neato' features of Windoze 98 ;/ Mike I also had the exact same spam mail (beanie bags and all) there should be a debian policy against using e-mail archives for spam-mail purposes. It really does get annoying recieving such mail. Mark Panzer -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: What package has patch?
CB == Christopher Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CB Hi all, CB Which package contains the patch utility? I've installed perl-base, CB perl-tk and the basic perl5 package and I was sure one of these would CB have it, but guess not. So where is it? zgrep patch /home/martinb/Contents-i386.gz |grep bin [...] usr/bin/patchutils/patch So it is in the package patch in the utils section. (The Contents file is from a debian mirror) Ciao, Martin -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: What package has patch?
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Christopher Barry wrote: Hi all, Which package contains the patch utility? I've installed perl-base, perl-tk and the basic perl5 package and I was sure one of these would have it, but guess not. So where is it? It too obvious to not overlook: patch Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Package to list all other packages in distribution?
I have a tk app which reads the currently installed packages list and lists them alphabetically. It also shows the files that each package contains. It is very handy. I have the tk source (obviously) I lack the accompanying C source for its lib. I have contacted the author and hope he will respond. The app is called dpkgview and if ANYONE has its source please say so, loudly. I would be glad to package it for Debian or someone else can. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: [Patching sources to Debian; dpkg-source -x package.dsc]
Try holding the shift key down while clicking the HREF link to d/l the file. When the Save As dialog pops up add the .gz back on the end and it does not touch the file. I do this kinda often. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Hard lock-up crashes, need some clues!
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Shaleh wrote: What is running / not running at the time of the crash. The ^@ could indicate a daemon overflowing its buffer -- it could be a symptom or a cause. When I run Netscape and Enlightenment 13.3 I occasionally have this happen. Seems that NS does some things that eventually torque off E and X. This sure sounds like a hardware problem. Memory, hard disk, or overheating CPU. Also you might try a different kernel. A Pentium Pro optimized kernel with a Cyrix processor may also cause problems for some. As I recall I also had similar problems with the 2.0.30 kernel. /*** Running Debian Linux *** * For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, * * that whoever believes in Him should not perish...John 3:16 * * W. Paul Mills* Topeka, Kansas, U.S.A.* * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://homepage.midusa.net/~wpmills/ * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.networksplus.net/wpmills/ * * Bill, I was there several years ago, why would I want to go back? * / -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
dir /s *.* equivalent for unix.
Hi all, I just keeping getting all these lovely questions for you. At a console, if I want to search for a file or any files with a certain extension in the current directory and all sub directories and list them, what's the best way to do this? The equivalent in DOS would be dir /s *.whatever but this doesn't work with ls like ls -R *.deb, for instance. I can do ls -R | more and then use more's search ability but this is getting tiring. Man page isn't too helpful either. Thanks, Chris -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: dir /s *.* equivalent for unix.
On Mon, 06 Jul 1998 20:19:36 -0700, Christopher Barry wrote: I just keeping getting all these lovely questions for you. At a console, if I want to search for a file or any files with a certain extension in the current directory and all sub directories and list them, what's the best way to do this? The equivalent in DOS would be dir /s *.whatever but this doesn't work with ls like ls -R *.deb, for instance. I can do ls -R | more and then use more's search ability but this is getting tiring. Man page isn't too helpful either. ls -R | grep file_to_find OR... find . -name file_to_find -- Steve C. Lamb | Opinions expressed by me are not my http://www.calweb.com/~morpheus| employer's. They hired me for my ICQ: 5107343 | skills and labor, not my opinions! ---+- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: dir /s *.* equivalent for unix.
I just keeping getting all these lovely questions for you. At a console, if I want to search for a file or any files with a certain extension in the current directory and all sub directories and list them, what's the best way to do this? The equivalent in DOS would be dir /s *.whatever but this doesn't work with ls like ls -R *.deb, for instance. I can do ls -R | more and then use more's search ability but this is getting tiring. Man page isn't too helpful either. 1) ls -R | grep '.whatever$' 2) find . -name \*.whatever -print Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Re[2]: What's the state of gnome on debian ?
Havoc Pennington wrote: Gnome will work with a non-compliant window manager, it's just that Gnome compliance will eventually give you extra-cool features. Right now it lets you use the buggy pager applet and some more minor things, so it's not too exciting. Hmm since wmaker 0.16 is gnome complient does that mean the gnome pager will work with it? That'd be useful. -- see shy jo -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Re[2]: What's the state of gnome on debian ?
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Joey Hess wrote: Hmm since wmaker 0.16 is gnome complient does that mean the gnome pager will work with it? That'd be useful. I don't know about wmaker in particular, but in theory I guess the answer is yes. There's a big gap between theory and practice though... ;-) Havoc Pennington http://pobox.com/~hp -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Newbe Question - Setting up X11
I new to Linux and I'm trying to setup X Windows. I loaded all the packages. When I run startx I get the following message: X: exec of /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_NONE failed Any idea what I've done wrong? Any help would be appreciated. David Robison -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Apt upgrade
Daniel Mashao wrote: Has anyone been able to use the apt upgrade method to Hamm? I get all sorts of problems. First of all the installed system says it wants perl 5.004 I think. It has the following questions require 5.004; Now my poor self is trying to reamin truly Debian and I have not seen perl version 5.004. Then it complains about there not being File::stat; I guess its because there is no correct perl version. Secondly using the sources.list file deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian frozen main contrib non-free deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian frozen main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/binary-$(ARCH)/ which was the example file posted by someone on how to upgrade using apt I get the following error messages: Fetched 1420k in 0s (4282k/s) Updating package file cache... E: Opening /var/state/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_frozen_main_binary-i386_Packages - ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or directory) Anybody knows what is going on? And where can I get the required version of perl short of compiling one myself. You should start with the autoup script to start the upgrade process. Look in developer's corner on www.debian.org for it. Perl 5.004 is available as Debian packages; at least perl-base is a required package, IIRC. I'm pretty sure these perl packages are one of the things autoup will do for you. -- Ed -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Package to list all other packages in distribution?
Shaleh wrote: I have a tk app which reads the currently installed packages list and lists them alphabetically. It also shows the files that each package contains. It is very handy. I have the tk source (obviously) I lack the accompanying C source for its lib. I have contacted the author and hope he will respond. The app is called dpkgview and if ANYONE has its source please say so, loudly. I would be glad to package it for Debian or someone else can. I've seen one using QT and KDE. It was a front-end for debs and rpms. At the time I've try it, it failed to install anything. But it was able to display in a 'explorer' like style the packages installed. Here is it's lsm: Begin Title: kpackage Version:0.7 Description:Gaphical package manager for RPM and DEB packages Keywords: package rpm debian X XFree KDE Qt Author: Damyan Pepper, Toivo Pedaste + others Maintained-by: Toivo Pedaste ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Primary-site: ftp://ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/k Alternate-site: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/apps/admin Home-Page: http://www.general.uwa.edu.au/u/toivo/kpackage Original-site: Platform: Linux with Qt-1.31 GUI library and KDE Beta-1 Copying-policy: GPL I didn't check the state of it recently, but it looked promising. Ionutz -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
Mark Panzer wrote: As a matter of fact, I too have received a few... one from some jerk on AOL advertising 'beanie-baby grab-bags' and one from... heck, can't remember which major news net, ZDNET maybe? (didn't save it) :(... exclaiming all the 'neato' features of Windoze 98 ;/ I also had the exact same spam mail (beanie bags and all) there should be a debian policy against using e-mail archives for spam-mail purposes. It really does get annoying recieving such mail. For the record, I received that beanie bag spam twice, both before I join this list. So this list shouldn't be regarded as an exclusive source, if it is a source at all. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Compiling the kernel?
Tom Pfeifer wrote: Well, not knowing any better, I fixed it by uninstalling my header and source packages (2.0.33), reinstalling the libc6-dev package, and then installing bin86 and the 2.0.34 source and header packages. This left the usr/include directories (asm, linux, scsi) NOT set up as links. This is contrary to the source documentation, but agrees with the Debian licb6-dev document that Bob mentioned. The configure and compile then went without a hitch, and make zImage left the kernel image file (278k)in arch/i386/boot as expected. It also left a file called vmlinux of about 680k in /usr/src/linux. I don't know the purpose of that file. vmlinux is the uncompressed version of the kernel. The psupdate process needs it there to update the database the ps prog uses to display info about a running kernel. I don't know the details of what ps needs from it. Generaly, when you build a new kernel/modules you also run psupdate to update the psdatabase file (in either /boot or /etc - not sure what the offical location for this file is). Once you've done this you can use 'make clean' to remove the vmlinux and other files (like *.o) for space if you prefer. Lilo didn't complain, and the 2.0.34 kernel boots and runs with no problems - and it seems faster (my imagination maybe). Thanks for all the help - it feels good! If you use lilo (in /boot) you're probably better off using 'make zlilo'. This will automatically copy the final kernel to /boot and run lilo to update everything. Tom -- Ed -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Apt upgrade
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Ed Cogburn wrote: Daniel Mashao wrote: Has anyone been able to use the apt upgrade method to Hamm? I get all sorts of problems. First of all the installed system says it wants perl 5.004 I think. It has the following questions require 5.004; Now my poor self is trying to reamin truly Debian and I have not seen perl version 5.004. Then it complains about there not being File::stat; I guess its because there is no correct perl version. Secondly using the sources.list file deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian frozen main contrib non-free deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian frozen main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/binary-$(ARCH)/ which was the example file posted by someone on how to upgrade using apt I get the following error messages: Fetched 1420k in 0s (4282k/s) Updating package file cache... E: Opening /var/state/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_frozen_main_binary-i386_Packages - ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or directory) Anybody knows what is going on? And where can I get the required version of perl short of compiling one myself. Remove the ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian line from your sources.list, do apt-get update apt-get -f install libnet-perl libwww-perl libmd5-perl Put ftp://... back in your sources.list (assuming you are unhappy with the speed of ftp1) and then run apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade FTP requires a stack of perl modules, HTTP does not. You want to use HTTP if you can. Jason -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Newbe Question - Setting up X11
I new to Linux and I'm trying to setup X Windows. I loaded all the packages. When I run startx I get the following message: X: exec of /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_NONE failed Any idea what I've done wrong? Any help would be appreciated. You should install one of the xserver-* packages which match your video card. (most probably xserver-svga) and respond yes to making it default X server. If console configuration wouldn't work (i.e. startx gives some errors), install xserver-vga16 package (make sure to answer no on the question as to whether make it default X server) and then run XF86Setup. This is a wonderful graphic configuration utility. Good luck. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Package to list all other packages in distribution?
G'day, When APT is ready for release, it will provide similar functionality in a much more usable tool. There are some nice tools for RedHat's RPM packages, such as XRPM and a GTK one I found, which looked awsome, but I couldn't get working (not GLINT, that's *really* horrible!) Is the intention to make APT something like that, or allow other ppl to write interfaces for it? damon -- Damon Muller | Did a large procession wave their torches ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | As my head fell in the basket, Network Administrator | And was everyone dancing on the casket... EmpireNET | - TBMG, Dead -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Package to list all other packages in distribution?
On Mon, 6 Jul 1998, Damon Muller wrote: Is the intention to make APT something like that, or allow other ppl to write interfaces for it? Both : Jason -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Newbe Question - Setting up X11
David R. Robison wrote: I new to Linux and I'm trying to setup X Windows. I loaded all the packages. When I run startx I get the following message: X: exec of /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_NONE failed Any idea what I've done wrong? Any help would be appreciated. David Robison XF86_NONE indicates you haven't selected a default X server. The server you use depends on your video hardware; look at the xserver-* packages (xserver-svga is probably the most common). When you install a server it will ask if you want to make it the default server. If you say yes then XF86_NONE will be removed. -- Ed -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Leafnode segfaulting in texpire fetch
Mike Orr wrote: I wondered if the /var/lib/leafnode/groupinfo file could be the culprit, but I don't have it anymore. I pulled a copy from yesterday morning's backup and fed it to leafnode, but no segfault. If you do reproduce it, please mail me, and I'll try to help you whittle /var/spool/news down to something small that reproduces the bug. -- see shy jo, leafnode maintainer -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
check package consistency
I am using Debian hamm. I had problems with my disk (fsck found bad blocks). Can I check with dpkg which packet need to be reinstalled ? Thanks ! begin: vcard fn: Peter Shtinkov n: Shtinkov;Peter org:Spectrum NET email;internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] title: System Administrator tel;work: (+359 2) 974 3238 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard
xcdroast and scsi
Hi, I have got a philips 3610 CDR-W which is said to be supported by xcdroast and cdrecord 1.6. When I run xcdroast, it told me ni ' no SCSI-generic-support has been detected ' and I can't select any cd burner in the menu. So, I recompiled my kernel (2.0.34 with hamm) with SCSI-generic-support selected. It doesn't change anything. Does I really need scsi support since my burner is IDE ? Why this support is not detected by xcdroast (I have got no scsi card) ? Thanks Franck -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
The search of the lost font
Hello everyone! I have just made a small installation with Debian 2.0. I download it since I don´t need all of the exellent software, but I guess I have missed some packages. When I tried to install X I am droped into xf86config instead of XF86Setup, at that point I stopped the installation and tried to start XF86Setup myself, wich results in the following message Not all of the standard font files are installed. The file /usr/X11R6/libs/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.dir is missing. It doesn´t seem like a serious problem, but I am unable to find out where to get these files. Is there anyone who can help me? By the way, does anyone know if there is any collaboration between XFree and Intergraph? At work we are going to use PCs with their graphic card Intense 3D and I thought it could be interesting to install Debian on one of them. Best regards Erik Eriksson -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: kernel canot find map file
- With your help I have successfully compiled kernel 2.0.34 now that my fan - is blowing through the computer. Obviously a temporary solution, but - that's not why I'm writing this message... - - I get this in /var/log/messages: - - Jul 6 16:59:56 server2 syslogd 1.3-3#17: restart. - Jul 6 16:59:56 server2 kernel: Cannot find map file. - Jul 6 16:59:56 server2 kernel: Loaded 43 symbols from 4 modules. - - when my computer boots with the new kernel. - - Does this mean I have done something wrong (again)? - - If you need more info, feel free to ask. I haven't the foggiest idea what - a map file is... when you compile the kernel, copy vmlinux or arch/arch/boot/zImage to /boot and don't forget System.map (from/usr/src/linux) - that's the map file; you should probably use name /boot/System.map-2.0.34 for this kernel... that should be enough. -- Matus fantomas Uhlar, sysadmin at NETLAB+ Kosice, Slovakia BIC coord for *.sk; admin of netlab.irc.sk; co-admin of irc.felk.cvut.cz -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Problem with modules_install
On 6 Jul 1998 20:32:16 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric) wrote: You could use make-kpkg, I've found that it works great. What is everyone's aversion to using the kernel-package anyway? There are so many problems with people trying to install custom kernels without it. Even with make-kpkg the modules don't end up in the right place. _ _ | |(_) | _| | | | |___ | | |__/ | |__/ On Mon, 6 Jul 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last couple of days I've tried to make a new kernel and modules to get my AWE64 working. I've made the linux, asm and scsi links to the source, made a config file with make menuconfig and then I did make dep bzImage modules Now I try to install my modules but everytime it fails with the message cp ***.o ( all the modules fail to copy ) no such file or directory. What am I doing wrong or am I missing something ? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Problem with modules_install
On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 06:57:58AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6 Jul 1998 20:32:16 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric) wrote: You could use make-kpkg, I've found that it works great. What is everyone's aversion to using the kernel-package anyway? There are so many problems with people trying to install custom kernels without it. Even with make-kpkg the modules don't end up in the right place. It worked for me. /usr/doc/kernel-package/README says: When make-kpkg is finished, you'll have kernel-image-2.0.29_custom.1.0_i386.deb and all it takes now is to install the package (as root): # dpkg -i kernel-image-2.0.29_custom.1.0_i386.deb This will install the kernel, the modules, the map file and do some other administrativia and finally it will ask you if you want to make a bootfloppy and if you want to run lilo now. -- _ _ | |(_) | _| | | | |___ | | |__/ | |__/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: modem works now - but modem-computer comunication really slow
On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 01:23:30AM +0300, Shaul wrote: If i understand correctly, one of your problems is that it is very slow. 1) Is it a plug-and-play modem ? 2) what does setserial (setserial /dev/ttyS3 -a) reports ? 3) Perhaps you should consider giving a more specific modem initialization string, rather then ATZ ? Slow computer-modem comms (on internals) is often due to IRQ conflicts. Unfortunately PnP modems provide very poor jumper settings. I still prefer externals where practical. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: How to downgrade?!?
On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 12:27:38PM -0500, Ivan Trogranci wrote: I tried to upgrade to HAMM, but it didn't work and now gcc can't find any libraries (that's the only problem I noticed, but there may be others...) As part of the upgrade to libc6, all old libc5 development packages should be removed; if you want to compile libc6 binaries, you need to install the libc6 development packages (libc6-dev, libstdc++2.8-dev, librx1g-dev etc.) How do I go back to 1.3 as safely as possible?!? I don't think anybody has tried that. HTH, Ray -- POPULATION EXPLOSION Unique in human experience, an event which happened yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
Mark Panzer wrote: Mike Merten wrote: [snip] I also had the exact same spam mail (beanie bags and all) there should be a debian policy against using e-mail archives for spam-mail purposes. It really does get annoying recieving such mail. Mark Panzer There is a debian policy. I cant remeber the details but it says something like if you advertise then you agree to pay $1999 per advertismentand if you contact us we might discount this rate for relavent advertising. So, should someone send them the bill? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
Mark Harrison wrote: [...] There is a debian policy. I cant remeber the details but it says something like if you advertise then you agree to pay $1999 per advertismentand if you contact us we might discount this rate for relavent advertising. So, should someone send them the bill? AFAIK this only affects spam send directly to the list. But as it seems someone sends it directly to (at least some of) the members of this list. Just for the record: I also got this beanie-baby-thing twice the last month. But not from AOL. The first was from msn.com and the second from fuse.net. But as Somnolent already said I'm not 100% sure if this is somehow related to this list. -- Thomas Apel [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key IDs: 90B40401 (RSA) and 5B980B91 (DH/DSS) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Check Required Relative Packages for New Packages
If I add a new packages to my Hamm system, How can I checked whcih packages are the relative packages (If Required) that I needed to add to my systems too. Thank You
Re: kde (and K memory leak question)
Yep. KDE is still beta right now... the 1.0pre1 was released last week, but afaik isn't debianized yet. If you're running the KDE build out of frozen, try upgrading to beta4, in slink, as it fixes a few problems and is more stable. I'm running the slink KDE setup here; have you or anyone noticed that the wallpaper function in this version of KDE doesn't work? I can't get it to put up any wall paper to save my life... -- Regards, |Debian GNU/__ o http://www.debian.org . | / /__ _ _ _ _ __ __ Randy | / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) |// /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ Tech. Coord./Teacher |...because lockups are for convicts... |What is or why Linux? Click on the below: http://www8.zdnet.com/pcmag/pctech/content/16/13/os1613.001.html -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Check Required Relative Packages for New Packages
AK == Alex Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AK If I add a new packages to my Hamm system, AK How can I checked whcih packages are the AK relative packages (If Required) that I needed to AK add to my systems too. Get apt from www.debian.org/~jgg Then you can do a apt-get install whatever, and it will fetch install whatever.deb and all packages needed. Ciao, Martin -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Package to list all other packages in distribution?
On 6 Jul, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote: Wouldn't it be great if there was a Debian package to list, decribe and index all other packages? Yeah, I think so too. Even cooler (IMHO) would be something that would tell me what I have on the system. :) I'm always looking at /var/lib/dpkg/available and status to see what's up on my system (or not up, as the case may be). try `dpkg -l'. I have written a graphical Debian package browser called dpkgview. It is *not* a package installer - it is a browser for installed packages. It is in the early stages of development, but people are more than welcome to test it, on the understanding that this is still beta software. I haven't had time since early May to do any serious work on it; having recently become a father, but I'm hoping to have a hamm-compatible package out sometime this month. The URL is: http://www.netspace.net.au/~gcross/dpkgview/ Bug reports and comments would be appreciated. Cheers Graeme -- Graeme Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpV9Dgp7U3Ii.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What package has patch?
On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 07:17:59PM -0700, Christopher Barry wrote: Hi all, Which package contains the patch utility? I've installed perl-base, perl-tk and the basic perl5 package and I was sure one of these would have it, but guess not. So where is it? It is in the patch package (a fact other people already pointed out), and it has nothing special to do with perl at all. Perl is a script programming language, patch a development tool. Patch applies a diff to the source code. The diff command makes a text file of the changes applied to a source tree, assuming you still have the original files. Then you can transfer the patch, and everybody with the original source can apply the patch and has then the same changes as you. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Package to list all other packages in distribution?
I thought the point of using a Browser front-end would be to free the package makers from having to struggle with creating a front-end, being able to connect with the packaging machinery through Tcl or Perl. As for the argument that one should protect the user from shooting the user in the user's foot: an odd argument for an OS which is based on openness. If it's a security issue, the user wouldn't have permissioning to get at the needed files, so there's no issue. FWIW, SCO has gone the browser route for administation, and why is easy to see: it's the fastest front-end to construct, it uses real estate in a way which maximizes imparting of information, and users are already training in using that type of interface. How many years until Linux achieves world domination? s Hank -Original Message- From: Ionut Borcoman at debian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 12:11 AM To: Shaleh Cc: Peter S Galbraith; Debian Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Package to list all other packages in distribution? Shaleh wrote: I have a tk app which reads the currently installed packages list and lists them alphabetically. It also shows the files that each package contains. It is very handy. I have the tk source (obviously) I lack the accompanying C source for its lib. I have contacted the author and hope he will respond. The app is called dpkgview and if ANYONE has its source please say so, loudly. I would be glad to package it for Debian or someone else can. I've seen one using QT and KDE. It was a front-end for debs and rpms. At the time I've try it, it failed to install anything. But it was able to display in a 'explorer' like style the packages installed. Here is it's lsm: Begin Title: kpackage Version:0.7 Description:Gaphical package manager for RPM and DEB packages Keywords: package rpm debian X XFree KDE Qt Author: Damyan Pepper, Toivo Pedaste + others Maintained-by: Toivo Pedaste ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Primary-site: ftp://ftp.uwa.edu.au/pub/k Alternate-site: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/apps/admin Home-Page: http://www.general.uwa.edu.au/u/toivo/kpackage Original-site: Platform: Linux with Qt-1.31 GUI library and KDE Beta-1 Copying-policy: GPL I didn't check the state of it recently, but it looked promising. Ionutz -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
More Urgent HAMM Install help needed
Hello yet again - I was hoping to be able to sit back for a little while and just read the chat on my new hamm system but I still seem to have some problems !!! Once again the downloading went mostly well but installation and config are a major problem. Initially errors were that ef2sprogs conflicts with dump and perl pre-depends libc5 (or something like that !) After those errors things looked good for a while BUT then a million errors ( certainly too many to read ) scrolled up the screen and dselect again gave up in disgust ! I then chose the select option and without making any choices hit enter to let dselect work out the dependancy problems. Without looking I accepted dselects solution and downloaded more software, allowed install etc... MORE PROBLEMS Most of the problems seem to stem from the non-installation of libc5 and libg++ ... but I understand from yesterdays talk that these are obsolete. What can I do ? Eventually I moved down the remove unwanted software and said yes. It seems as though dselect wanted to delete everything on my system - telling me on many occasions that it was not going to delete a file because it is a required file (thankfully it again gave up deleting because of the number of errors) I then decided to manually install pine to try to talk to you but again there was problems. Pine it seems requires ncurses which requires libc5. Once again I have to talk to you through windoze! Am I doing something incredibly wrong (stupid) ??? Final Question: As I have installed (I think) most of the suggested software for a dialup user how can I reinstate the original suggestions that were made when I first booted into hamm? (are these suggestions valid ?) Whatever help as many people as possible can give me will be appreciated as I have downloaded almost 1G by now and the ISP is not going to be very happy with me !!! All the best Ivan. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: More Urgent HAMM Install help needed
Initially errors were that ef2sprogs conflicts with dump and perl pre-depends libc5 (or something like that !) After those errors things looked good for a while BUT then a million errors ( certainly too many to read ) scrolled up the screen and dselect again gave up in disgust ! There should be no pre-dependencies on libc5 when installing a Debian 2.0 (Hamm/libc6/glib2/etc). Make sure you are using the disks under Hamm. When you run dselect, under 'Access', make sure the distributions to download are set to: dists/frozen/main dists/frozen/non-free dists/frozen/contrib I think this is most likely where the problem lies. Hope that helps. Dennis -- Dennis Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] | phone: 353.4844 Network Admin, College of Engineering, MSU | pager: 222.5875 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
What is apt-get Install
Would someone please explain that 1) What is the apt-get install 2) How to use apt-get install (step by step please) 3) What is the difference between apt and dpkg Many thanks!
Re: Check Required Relative Packages for New Packages
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Alex Kwan wrote: If I add a new packages to my Hamm system, How can I checked which packages are the relative packages (If Required) that I needed to add to my systems too. Use dselect. Dselect can install packages from cdrom, ftp, nfs and (floppy) disk. You can install apt and use that as a dselect method. Dselect shows a list with all of the available packages and lets you select/unselect separate packages. When there is a dependency conflict or an unresolved dependency, dselect will warn you and help you to solve the dependency. You should read the help screens in dselect, because while dselect is (IMHO) quite intuitive, its key bindings are not. The ? key shows you the help though. There is also a dselect.beginner file at the ftp archive, in the same directory as the installation disks. It can probably also be found at the www site. Cheers, Joost -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: xcdroast and scsi
Hi, Does I really need scsi support since my burner is IDE ? Why this support is not detected by xcdroast (I have got no scsi card) ? I'm not sure if this will help, but have you tried enabling SCSI emulation in the kernel? Note that the SCSI drivers need to be enabled for the emulation to work, too. -Ossama -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: What package has patch?
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: It is in the patch package (a fact other people already pointed out), and it has nothing special to do with perl at all. Perl is a script programming language, patch a development tool. There is a relation: they were both conceived by Larry Wall. That's still no reason to but them in one Debian package of course :-) Cheers, Joost -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
dual boot?? win98???
i'm trying to install debian linux, but not entirely ready to throw away my windows 98. is it possible to use both on a single machine, perhaps through dual boot? (if so, how?) does win98's fat32 cause any trouble for this? thanks in advance [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: xcdroast and scsi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I run xcdroast, it told me ni ' no SCSI-generic-support has been detected ' and I can't select any cd burner in the menu. So, I recompiled my kernel (2.0.34 with hamm) with SCSI-generic-support selected. It doesn't change anything. Just a stupid question: did you reboot that box after the kernel compile? Did you compile generic SCSI support as modules or in the kernel? peloy.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9431645 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Installing gnome
Could someone walk a newbie through the process of installing gnome v.20, step-by-step, according to your experience? I'm running hamm, kernel 2.0.33. X is running with afterstep (but I have several other WM's I could use if need be). Download the tarballs, and now what? Brian -- Brian Morgan[EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Service Specialist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greenville College http://www.gvc.net/~jedi Surely you can't be serious! I am serious, and don't call me Shirley! -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: dual boot?? win98???
On Tue, 07 Jul 1998, S K wrote: i'm trying to install debian linux, but not entirely ready to throw away my windows 98. is it possible to use both on a single machine, perhaps through dual boot? (if so, how?) does win98's fat32 cause any trouble for this? I'm using a dual boot win98/Linux system at home with no probs. I haven't yet tried to access my Winblow's partitions from Linux because they're God-only-knows-what-version of fat32. When I'm in the mood I might reformat Win98 into fat16 partitions using a Dos 6.2 boot disk. For some reason Win98 refused to see anything above 500 megs on my HD's unless I enabled its fdisk's Large Disk Support(translation: fat32), despite having my drives set up in LBA mode. If you're able, I'd recommend installing 98 onto some fat16 partitions, then install Linux onto it's own seperate partitions. Mark -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: dir /s *.* equivalent for unix.
On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 08:19:36PM -0700, Christopher Barry wrote: Hi all, I just keeping getting all these lovely questions for you. At a console, if I want to search for a file or any files with a certain extension in the current directory and all sub directories and list them, what's the best way to do this? The equivalent in DOS would be dir /s *.whatever but this doesn't work with ls like ls -R *.deb, for instance. I can do ls -R | more and then use more's search ability but this is getting tiring. Man page isn't too helpful either. man -k keyword is much more usefull ;) opk a couple of things: 1) as with most things in Unix-like systems...there is more than 1 way to do this...in fact...there are probably 10 or 20 ways (SideNote: someone in debian-devel a few weeks ago made a comment about differnt ways to find the current UID of a person exectuting a shell script...amzing how many ways it can be done) 2) The file extension is only as usefull as you trust it ;) unlike most DOS applications, it is rather uncommon for an application in a Unix-like environment to make assumptions based on filenames. 3) check out: find, locate, grep check this out...lets say I am looking for .jpg files throughout my entire system: $ locate .jpg /usr/doc/dhelp/debian.jpg /usr/doc/info2www/infodoc.jpg now lets say I am in /usr/doc/dhelp and ONLY want ones under that directory: $ locate .jpg|grep `pwd` /usr/doc/dhelp/debian.jpg thats just my creative solution... I am sure there are many others (why is it I can never think of that when I actually need to use it?) anyone else got some ways? -Steve -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: What is apt-get Install
On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 08:51:02PM +0800, Alex Kwan wrote: Would someone please explain that 1) What is the apt-get install apt-get install checks out apt's own database of packages (which is updated by apt-get update) of what is available for download. It then downloads and installs the latest version (which it knows about) of the package name you give it)...it also downloads any other packages needed to satisfy the dependancies on it 2) How to use apt-get install (step by step please) first you need to install it: get the latest version of apt (currently 0.1.1 AFIAK) from ftp.debian.org (or your favorite mirror) I believ it is in project/experimental then install it with dpkg then just apt-get update to get the latest package information then just apt-get install package -or- apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade your entire system to the latest versions of all packages. (I did this the other night...worked great) 3) What is the difference between apt and dpkg dpkg is a great tool...good for manipulating individual packages and other maintenance tasks. apt is more of a front end for dpkg which makes installing and upgrading packages much easier even without a nice graphical front end (in the works)...its like dselect on major steriods -Steve -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Why so many updates to frozen hamm?
I see a fairly steady stream of updates to hamm. Many more updates, it seems, than the number of bugs that get closed. I don't mind; I just don't understand. It doesn't look like a deep-freeze to me. I'm not impatient either. The more updates the better. I just thought I'd ask in case there is some problem somewhere. I mirror ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/hamm. Here is what came through last night: Got main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 335110 Got main/binary-i386/Packages 1122909 Got main/binary-i386/admin/debian-cd_1.99.14-1.deb 109252 Got main/binary-i386/admin/locales_2.0.7r-5.deb 1340134 Got main/binary-i386/doc/libc6-doc_2.0.7r-5.deb 505320 Got main/binary-i386/base/libc6_2.0.7r-5.deb 577946 Got main/binary-i386/base/timezones_2.0.7r-5.deb 261374 Got main/binary-i386/base/fileutils_3.16-5.3.deb 257708 Got main/binary-i386/devel/libc6-dbg_2.0.7r-5.deb 3727738 Got main/binary-i386/devel/libc6-dev_2.0.7r-5.deb 1152814 Got main/binary-i386/devel/libc6-pic_2.0.7r-5.deb 1313864 Got main/binary-i386/devel/gettext_0.10.35-3.deb 359854 Got main/binary-i386/devel/cvs-pcl_1.9.26-5.deb 91284 Got main/binary-i386/devel/cvs_1.9.26-5.deb 986534 Got main/binary-i386/net/netbase_3.10-1.deb 350350 Got main/binary-i386/net/ncpfs_2.2.0.7-1.deb 220852 Got main/binary-i386/net/netstd_3.07-2.deb 611710 Got main/binary-i386/utils/vold_1.1-6.deb 49640 Got main/binary-i386/editors/elib_1.0-8.deb 95066 Got main/binary-i386/graphics/netpbm-dev_19940301.2-4.deb 52172 Got main/binary-i386/graphics/netpbm_19940301.2-4.deb 512438 Got main/binary-i386/libs/netpbm1_19940301.2-4.deb 31428 Got main/binary-i386/sound/nas_1.2p5-3.deb 700936 Got main/binary-i386/text/magicfilter_1.2-23.deb 31526 Got non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 58466 Got non-free/binary-i386/Packages 186163 Got non-free/binary-i386/graphics/imgstar_1.1-3.1.deb 447802 Got non-free/binary-i386/mail/pine-docs_1998-02-15-2.deb 62756 -- ...RickM... -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Somnolent wrote: : Mark Panzer wrote: : : As a matter of fact, I too have received a few... one from some : jerk on AOL advertising 'beanie-baby grab-bags' and one from... : heck, can't remember which major news net, ZDNET maybe? (didn't save : it) :(... exclaiming all the 'neato' features of Windoze 98 ;/ : : I also had the exact same spam mail (beanie bags and all) there should : be a debian policy against using e-mail archives for spam-mail : purposes. It really does get annoying recieving such mail. : : For the record, I received that beanie bag spam twice, both before I : join this list. So this list shouldn't be regarded as an exclusive : source, if it is a source at all. Also, let's not forget that the lists are gatewayed to UseNet. It's far more likely that the addresses are being picked up there. If you're POSTING to UseNet ... well, expect spam :) -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 mailto://[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP Key: (0xA33B86E9) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: dir /s *.* equivalent for unix.
On Tue, 07 Jul 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 08:19:36PM -0700, Christopher Barry wrote: Hi all, I just keeping getting all these lovely questions for you. At a console, if I want to search for a file or any files with a certain extension in the current directory and all sub directories and list them, what's the best way to do this? The equivalent in DOS would be dir /s *.whatever but this doesn't work with ls like ls -R *.deb, for instance. I can do ls -R | more and then use more's search ability but this is getting tiring. Man page isn't too helpful either. man -k keyword is much more usefull ;) How do you build the database for man -k? On the systems I've installed(RH, I'm currently waiting for Bo to arrive) man-k wouldn't bring up any entries. I remember way back I managed to do something on a Solaris 2.5 that created a database that man-k searches through, but damned if I remember how I did it. 3) check out: find, locate, grep check this out...lets say I am looking for .jpg files throughout my entire system: $ locate .jpg /usr/doc/dhelp/debian.jpg /usr/doc/info2www/infodoc.jpg Side note: locate uses a database of filenames created by updatedb, so recent additions to your box may not show up using a locate command. find actually does an immediate search of the filesystem, but it can take a minute or two where a locate tosses back the results more quickly. now lets say I am in /usr/doc/dhelp and ONLY want ones under that directory: $ locate .jpg|grep `pwd` /usr/doc/dhelp/debian.jpg thats just my creative solution... I am sure there are many others (why is it I can never think of that when I actually need to use it?) anyone else got some ways? grep is a useful filter, but Unix has quite a few others that can be just as useful. You might have a /usr/doc/textutils***/ directory that has a README that explains a few of them. For ex/ locate .jpg | wc -l or locate .jpg | grep 'nicole' | sort | pr -2 -h Pictures of Nicole Mark -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: dual boot?? win98???
From: S K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 9:29 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: dual boot?? win98??? I'm trying to install Debian linux, but not entirely ready to throw away my windows 98. is it possible to use both on a single machine, perhaps through dual boot? (if so, how?) does win98's fat32 cause any trouble for this? thanks in advance I'm running a dual boot system. Make sure you have enough free space for a new partition and install Linux on it. Then just add the Windows partition to the lilo.conf file, and run 'lilo'. As to reading fat32 partitions, the 2.0.34 kernel(if not earlier ones) can read them with no problem... just mount them. --Evan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Last Question (I hope!)
Dennis a million thanks - i just checked and sure enough dselect defaults to the /stable directories - no doubt you are entirely correct !!! surely many of the /stable packages are the same as the frozen dist and so i do not wish to download yet again everything (8-10 hours MINIMUM). are you aware of method by which i can ask dselect to remake the default choices and only download new packages and upgrade existing - i assume this would be substantially quicker ?? if i have downloaded, essentially, the bo distribution will autoup do this ??? thanks again for your help Ivan. At 08:46 AM 07-07-98 -0400, you wrote: Initially errors were that ef2sprogs conflicts with dump and perl pre-depends libc5 (or something like that !) After those errors things looked good for a while BUT then a million errors ( certainly too many to read ) scrolled up the screen and dselect again gave up in disgust ! There should be no pre-dependencies on libc5 when installing a Debian 2.0 (Hamm/libc6/glib2/etc). Make sure you are using the disks under Hamm. When you run dselect, under 'Access', make sure the distributions to download are set to: dists/frozen/main dists/frozen/non-free dists/frozen/contrib I think this is most likely where the problem lies. Hope that helps. Dennis -- Dennis Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] | phone: 353.4844 Network Admin, College of Engineering, MSU | pager: 222.5875 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: More Urgent HAMM Install help needed
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Ivan wrote: Hello yet again - I was hoping to be able to sit back for a little while and just read the chat on my new hamm system but I still seem to have some problems !!! Once again the downloading went mostly well but installation and config are a major problem. Initially errors were that ef2sprogs conflicts with dump and perl pre-depends libc5 (or something like that !) After those errors things looked good for a while BUT then a million errors ( certainly too many to read ) scrolled up the screen and dselect again gave up in disgust ! Lesson 1: Never install a gazillion packages at one time with dselect. On new installations, one should always first go with the defaults and install those, then select other stuff like X11 an dinstall that and only then install mail/news user agents, cd players and games and the like. If you select 800 packages for installation at once, you're in for a big mess, especially if a couple of packages have slight installation problems. The rest of the packages then tend to follow. It is also very hard to keep track of what happens during installation when you install too many packages at the same time. You miss the errors, but also useful messages of packages that get upgraded successfully and inform you about defaults that have been changed in the newer version. Machine intelligence can only go so far in helping you out, you mustn't push it or be faced with the programmer's good intentions turning against you. In the situation you got into, you may try to get out of the mess by running the Install step a few times. If that also fails, unselect (if possible - I mean don't unselect stuff like base-files) some of the offending packages, run Remove, then Install. If that fixes things, go back and reselect the packages you removed and install them again. I then chose the select option and without making any choices hit enter to let dselect work out the dependency problems. Without looking I accepted dselects solution and downloaded more software, allowed install etc... MORE PROBLEMS Most of the problems seem to stem from the non-installation of libc5 and libg++ ... but I understand from yesterdays talk that these are obsolete. What can I do ? Lesson 2: Use your own brain. Computers do almost everything better and faster than humans (including messing things up, but you already noticed that :-) Thinking and problem solving are the exceptions. Dselect will not really do the dependency resolution for you, it will only help you with some suggestions that it can derive from very elementary information like foo conflicts with bar and baz needs bar. It has no notion of high-level concepts like Ivan wants to upgrade his entire system to libc6. So, dselect will not understand that it might have to install foog (which does not conflict with bar) in place of foo so you can install baz. You have to understand that. A lot of packages (mostly libraries) have been superseded in hamm by a similar package with a letter g appended to the package name. That way, you can have both bazg, the new libc6 version and baz, the old libc5 version (which may be needed by older apps that Debian can't recompile for libc6, like StarOffice,) on your system. So you see that libc5 is not obsolete in hamm. Another case is where development packages, like say foo-dev, have been split up into foo-dev and foo-altdev, allowing you to use either version of the foo development libraries to build libc6 resp. libc5 programs. Libc5 is not at all obsolete in Debian. A sort of exception is the autoup.sh script, which blindly removes all bazs and foo-devs that might be a problem with new packages and leaves it up to you to reinstall the corresponding bazgs and foo-devs or foo-altdevs. Eventually I moved down the remove unwanted software and said yes. It seems as though dselect wanted to delete everything on my system - telling me on many occasions that it was not going to delete a file because it is a required file (thankfully it again gave up deleting because of the number of errors) I then decided to manually install pine to try to talk to you but again there was problems. Pine it seems requires ncurses which requires libc5. Once again I have to talk to you through windoze! ncurses3.0 requires libc5, ncurses-base and ncurses3.4 don't. Try to get your basic system sorted out first before you do the apps. By the way, because of the University of Washington's restrictive licensing, there will not be a pine in hamm. Instead you have to get pine-diff.deb and pine-source.deb and compile a pine.deb yourself. Final Question: As I have installed (I think) most of the suggested software for a dialup user how can I reinstate the original suggestions that were made when I first booted into hamm? (are these suggestions valid ?) AFAIK there is no easy way. You can get back to the sane defaults however by using the
Re: Using 2.1.108 kernel
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_0063_01BDA7E0.D6CCC9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all: Yesterday I tried to get the 2.1.108 kernel up and running. I did get it running however I hand one problem, may ethernet card (3Com 3C905 vortex) stopped. I am currently running Debian's latest released kernel 2.0.34 and all is find. With the 2.1.108 kernel, ifconfig reports the NIC is up and running. Additionally I can ping the network interface from the machine that is running the 108 kernel, but I can't access anything on the network. One note, the kernel seems to add a route and the /etc/init.d/network file adds a route for that network interface. Check that you have recent enough net utils etc. www.linuxhq.com should have them listed. --j -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Can't connect to slashdot.org
HAHAHAHAHA Ok, now that that is said. slashdot.org's founder Rob Malda is in the process of moving. And as we all know once you do not have time to work on something -- it breaks. the DNS server has had problems the last few days. It is functional now, but will more than likely be coming up and down. And ummm, like, it is just a web site. This is not funny. My hand start shaking and I get cold swet, if I'm without my daily doze of /. . I think I'm slashdicted. --j ;) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: IDE stopped working
Jaakko Niemi writes: Jaakko Niemi writes: All was good until I changed motherboards. All of a sudden now, the secondary IDE bus does not properly detect the cdrom drive. The screen shows the IDE primary bus as being probed, but no secondary bus. I use LILO to boot. How can I get the kernel (2.0.32) to properly probe/detect the secondary IDE bus? Does the BIOS find your CD ? Yes, The BIOS does properly identify the CDrom Drive. Funny thing , now that I think about it, is that Win95 could not see the secondary IDE bus or the CDROM drive until I loaded a driver under Win95 (supplied by the MB manufacturer). Perhaps the registers for the secondary IDE bus are sufficiently different from the norm that a special driver is needed. That's a reeaally old 95 'buglet' that it did not recognize the secondary IDE channel on Intel chipsets and at worst disabled it entarily. If you do a cat /proc/interrupts , do you see int. 15 allocated to ide1 there? NO, only IDE0 is present. A stand-alone PCI bus probe program would come in handy right about now 8-) Hmm. if the cd works fine in 95, you might want to check the relevant kernel settings. What is the chipset used with that mb ? TX? Do you have any pnp cards ? --j -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: SCSI Disk Farm
I want to experiment with 'raidtools' to set up my disk farm (100-200GB) and it requires a kernel version 2.1.62. I haven't worked with experimental kernels before - where is a good place to get them and how would I pick one that is not TOO experimental, i.e. doesn't break too easily... Had almost a month with .101 and currently second week going with .106+ ac4 patches. As for _large_ raid, I'd say DPT or Mylex and external boxes. Means the boxes connect to SCSI controller and they are seen as very large disks. These also do not need any drivers beside the SCSI-controller. --j -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
helper_0.97.deb
I was doing my usual apt-get update and apt-get dselect-upgrade when I got the error: Get http://ftp1.us.debian.org slink/main debhelper [60.5k] Error http://ftp1.us.debian.org slink/main debhelper 404 Not Found ERROR http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/devel/debhelper_0.97.deb 404 Not Found I tried looking for the file on ftp.debian.org and it was not there.Any idea where I can find it. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: fvwm2 behaves differently from bo -- hamm?
On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 02:52:37PM +0200, Dirk Bonne wrote: I've update from bo to hamm, and now I can't drag a window accross virtual screens. If you don't have the virtual screens at all, make sure there is a DeskTopSize entry in ~/.fvwm2/post-hook or /etc/X11/fvwm2/system.fvwm2rc I use DeskTopSize 2 2. -- ** MIKE ORR [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ** Russki Deutsch Esperanto* * ** * * ** * * * (Insert silly quote here) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
IP address printing w/ LPRng
I posted some questions about printing to an ip address earlier. Thanks for those who have helped so far. More questions: I'm running hamm, 2.0.33 and LPRng print spooling package. I'm trying to print to an HP laserjet through a jetdirect card with an ip address. I've edited my /etc/printcap file to look like this: rlp|Remote printer entry:\ :lp=/dev/lp1:\ :rm=12.10.35.3:\ :rp=debian test printer:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp1:\ :mx#0 :sh: Does that look right so far? Are the :\ marks correct? They weren't in the file origianally, but I added them from a Unix machine's example. Also, on startup, it appears that there are 2 lpd print spoolers started since I installed the LPRng package. This doesn't seem right. What can I do about it? In /var/spool/lpd directory, I have the following directories and files: lp lp1 lpd.lock.debian.printer Shouldn't there be an rlp directory? I created the lp1 directory. Is that right? In the lp directory, the status.lp file contains many /dev/lp1 cannot connect errors I've modified the /etc/hosts.lpd file to include 2 computers that I want to be able to connect to the printcap file. Is there a way to set this so all computer can connect, and not just a limited few? From what I've indicated here, is there anything else I need to do to be able to print? Any permissions I need to check out, esp. in the spool directory? Make your answers as simple as possible, because I'm still fairly new at this. Thanks for your help, Brian -- Brian Morgan[EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Service Specialist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greenville College http://www.gvc.net/~jedi Surely you can't be serious! I am serious, and don't call me Shirley! -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Mail gateway
What I did was run the smailconfig program and chose option 2. This allows you to specify the smarthost where all non-local mail is to be transmitted. When asked for a smarthost I gave the SMTP server that I get from my ISP. That's what I have at home - is this what you are looking for? Is this even the right way to go about it? The version I have is Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2. (from sendmail -V) Does this setup allow Smail to queue all non-local mail, unitl the link to the ISP becomes avaliable? How do you allow for the change of return email address when sending non-local mail? As wouldn't just setting the return address affect local mail as well. Also do you know if this also work for exim? Graham jmb Dear Linux users, How do you configure a host that has to send mail through a mail gateway ? Where and how do you specify this gateway ? Thanks. Ph. BARBELET -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Weird crash with dhcpcd and X11
Running Debian 2.0beta and 2.0.34 with a cable-modem. I'm in the process of converting from modem ISP access to using this cable-modem. I get a complete lock-up of Linux when I try to run both X11 and dhcpcd. I can run either one alone and things are fine. But when I start X, after dhcpcd, I see the X server spew stuff to the screen, then the screen blanks, and SILENCE. No X, no hard disk activity, nothing. Does anyone have any ideas here? Any suggestions on how to debug this? BTW - dhcpcd did not configure correctly on my system. It failed on the postinst script. And gave no expanation of the problem. I ran each part of the script by hand and got it configured. Thanks, Mark Mabry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: More Urgent HAMM Install help needed
Can't argue with you on any of your well made points ! Consider the lessons (almost) learnt. LESSON 1. Duly noted but (please note i am not at all ungrateful for your advice) having had the true stupidity of my ways pointed out to me (using the stable rather than the frozen dist) I really cannot help placing my trust in the programmers once more. However, I HEREBY PROMISE, no more questions until I have tried your way ( if the multi-Mb-download-install-do-everything-at-once method fails ). I'm sure you and the many others have better things to do than talk to someone who just won't listen ! (But hopefully you will help if both methods of installation fail) LESSON 2. OOOPs - windoze doesn't let me think much about how it does its thing - i momentarily forgot that I even had a brain ! CONCLUSION. Sincerely thank you for your advice and a gentle, well needed and humourous reprimand ! Sometimes us (soon-to-be ex-)windoze users need a good kick before we wake up out of the micro$oft dream world of white clouds, blue skys and endless propaganda about how good the system that doesn't work will be when it does !!! All the best and thank you again. Ivan. At 04:05 PM 07-07-98 +0200, you wrote: On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Ivan wrote: Hello yet again - I was hoping to be able to sit back for a little while and just read the chat on my new hamm system but I still seem to have some problems !!! Once again the downloading went mostly well but installation and config are a major problem. Initially errors were that ef2sprogs conflicts with dump and perl pre-depends libc5 (or something like that !) After those errors things looked good for a while BUT then a million errors ( certainly too many to read ) scrolled up the screen and dselect again gave up in disgust ! Lesson 1: Never install a gazillion packages at one time with dselect. On new installations, one should always first go with the defaults and install those, then select other stuff like X11 an dinstall that and only then install mail/news user agents, cd players and games and the like. If you select 800 packages for installation at once, you're in for a big mess, especially if a couple of packages have slight installation problems. The rest of the packages then tend to follow. It is also very hard to keep track of what happens during installation when you install too many packages at the same time. You miss the errors, but also useful messages of packages that get upgraded successfully and inform you about defaults that have been changed in the newer version. Machine intelligence can only go so far in helping you out, you mustn't push it or be faced with the programmer's good intentions turning against you. In the situation you got into, you may try to get out of the mess by running the Install step a few times. If that also fails, unselect (if possible - I mean don't unselect stuff like base-files) some of the offending packages, run Remove, then Install. If that fixes things, go back and reselect the packages you removed and install them again. I then chose the select option and without making any choices hit enter to let dselect work out the dependency problems. Without looking I accepted dselects solution and downloaded more software, allowed install etc... MORE PROBLEMS Most of the problems seem to stem from the non-installation of libc5 and libg++ ... but I understand from yesterdays talk that these are obsolete. What can I do ? Lesson 2: Use your own brain. Computers do almost everything better and faster than humans (including messing things up, but you already noticed that :-) Thinking and problem solving are the exceptions. Dselect will not really do the dependency resolution for you, it will only help you with some suggestions that it can derive from very elementary information like foo conflicts with bar and baz needs bar. It has no notion of high-level concepts like Ivan wants to upgrade his entire system to libc6. So, dselect will not understand that it might have to install foog (which does not conflict with bar) in place of foo so you can install baz. You have to understand that. A lot of packages (mostly libraries) have been superseded in hamm by a similar package with a letter g appended to the package name. That way, you can have both bazg, the new libc6 version and baz, the old libc5 version (which may be needed by older apps that Debian can't recompile for libc6, like StarOffice,) on your system. So you see that libc5 is not obsolete in hamm. Another case is where development packages, like say foo-dev, have been split up into foo-dev and foo-altdev, allowing you to use either version of the foo development libraries to build libc6 resp. libc5 programs. Libc5 is not at all obsolete in Debian. A sort of exception is the autoup.sh script, which blindly removes all bazs and foo-devs that might be a problem with new packages and leaves it up to you to reinstall the
Re: dual boot?? win98???
Evan Van Dyke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | From: S K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 9:29 AM | To: debian-user@lists.debian.org | Subject: dual boot?? win98??? | | | I'm trying to install Debian linux, but not entirely ready to | throw away | my windows 98. is it possible to use both on a single | machine, perhaps | through dual boot? (if so, how?) does win98's fat32 cause | any trouble | for this? | | thanks in advance | | I'm running a dual boot system. Make sure you have enough free space for a | new | partition and install Linux on it. Then just add the Windows partition | to the lilo.conf file, and run 'lilo'. As to reading fat32 partitions, | the 2.0.34 kernel(if not earlier ones) can read them with no | problem... just mount them. In fact this only works for the 2.0.34 kernel. Before 2.0.34 you had to apply a patch to be able to read FAT32. As with Evan I've been using a dual boot with Win98, with about 5 1GB FAT32 partitions, and 1 900MB FAT16 partition, and haven't had any trouble. However, there are reports on the kernel mailing list of people getting corrupted FAT32 partitions if you do something from linux that fills up that FAT32 partition. So, I'd suggest caution if you're planning on copying/creating enough files to/on a FAT32 partition, from linux, that it might fill that partition. It seems to be problematic with the current FAT32 support. Gary -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Weird crash with dhcpcd and X11
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Mark H. Mabry wrote: Running Debian 2.0beta and 2.0.34 with a cable-modem. I'm in the process of converting from modem ISP access to using this cable-modem. I get a complete lock-up of Linux when I try to run both X11 and dhcpcd. I can run either one alone and things are fine. But when I start X, after dhcpcd, I see the X server spew stuff to the screen, then the screen blanks, and SILENCE. No X, no hard disk activity, nothing. Maybe a hardware problem. Check for irq conflicts with your ethernet card. Brandon --+-- Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Testing Group Status PGP Key: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://bhmit1.home.ml.org/deb/ Dijkstra probably hates me (Linus Torvalds, in kernel/sched.c) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: dual boot?? win98???
At 06:29 AM 7/7/98 PDT, S K wrote: i'm trying to install debian linux, but not entirely ready to throw away my windows 98. is it possible to use both on a single machine, perhaps through dual boot? (if so, how?) does win98's fat32 cause any trouble for this? thanks in advance [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look into System Commander. It's a boot manager with specific support for Linux as well as the various flavors of Windows, DOS, OS/2 and other Unixes. You can get it at any retail computer store for under $50. Works great. Len Cumbow -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: dual boot?? win98???
From: Len Cumbow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 12:19 PM To: S K; debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: dual boot?? win98??? Look into System Commander. It's a boot manager with specific support for Linux as well as the various flavors of Windows, DOS, OS/2 and other Unixes. You can get it at any retail computer store for under $50. Works great. Why not use LILO which comes Free with Linux and works fine for Linux/Windows/Dos booting? If you're using OS/2 or NT, they come with bootloaders that can access Linux. WHy spend money for what you can get free? --Evan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
strange lock up problem
Hello, just started with this list so hope this msg gets there. I ahve a pII/266 system with 256MB RAM, 4 IDE hard disks, and 1 4.3GB SCSI and 1 23GB SCSI disk, onboard AIC7888 SCSI controller, 3c905 card, floppy drive, (can't remember which chipset we are using on this board). Running low loads 0.2 or so, using httpd 1.2.6 apache (not a package). Randomly it will print AIEE: scheduling in interrupt multiple times on the screen and lock up to the point where power down/ power up is required. Any thoughts are welcome. If this is a motherboard issue, I'd be more than appreciative for recommended board for this speed CPU. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: What is apt-get Install
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Alex Kwan wrote: Would someone please explain that 1) What is the apt-get install apt-get is a program and it comes with the apt package. Normally, one would do: apt-get update Which gets the Packages.gz files from the archive (ftp or cdrom, or whatever is in your /etc/apt/sources.list) describing what packages are available, along with some information about the packages, like dependencies. apt-get upgrade Will download and install all newer versions available on the archive of packages that you have installed on your system. dist-upgrade is a special target that does some extra checking (I think, `man apt` actually knows.) If you only want to install a package called foo that isn't on your system yet, you would do: apt-get install foo and apt will download and install that package and all other packages that it depends on. 2) How to use apt-get install (step by step please) See the above. 3) What is the difference between apt and dpkg Apt is a front-end to dpkg (or dpkg is the back-end to apt.) With dselect you can use apt as a method. This is highly advisable, because apt incorporates all the functionality of the older methods, but has many improvements, some of which might even be considered critical. In due time, apt will have a graphics (X11) and full-screen (curses or slang) interface itself. Many people call dselect a cruel and user-unfriendly program, probably because they don't understand it because they're too lame to RTFM. I'm perfectly happy with dselect myself and I think that it is the main reason why the debian packaging system is far more user-friendly than RedHat's system (glint really isn't even a faint comparison.) I would admit though that its key bindings could have been chosen to more intuitive. Others say dselect has no GUI, they think so probably because you can't control dselect with a mouse. Such people are IMHO degenerate and should be forced to pay more M$ tax. Full-screen is also a GUI, as command-line is a UI (but I think the same people would disagree with me on that as well.) Anyway, I hope that the full apt will be an improvement over what dselect already has like apt-get is an improvement to dselect compared to dselects older methods. Apt-get is not an improvement over dselect though. You can get apt from the following places: - (used to be) in the project/experimental directory on the ftp archive; - at http://www.debian.org/~jgg/ where you will also find a libc5 version, which comes in handy if you want to upgrade from libc5 to libc6. When using dselect, you shouldn't do this with any other mathod than the apt method (and you should RTFM anyway and if possible do the most critical part by hand); - (all future versions) in the regular distribution starting with slink (no, that's not hamm.) Cheers, Joost -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Browser search
I am having trouble finding browsers that use 128 bit encryption. I've have found IE versions 3.0 and higher and Netscape versions 3.0 and higher. Are these the only ones out there? What about AOL? If you could shed light on this subject it would greatly be appreciated. Thankyou. Douglas -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Browser search
Hi, I am having trouble finding browsers that use 128 bit encryption. I've have found IE versions 3.0 and higher and Netscape versions 3.0 and higher. Are these the only ones out there? What about AOL? If you could shed light on this subject it would greatly be appreciated. Is this a Debian related question? :-) What's wrong with Netscape? -Ossama -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Debian-2.0-beta upgrade: my experience (after the 1st time)
I now have a total of 4 Linux machines running Debian-2.0-beta (including one DEC-Alpha running the current hamm tree). Except for the DEC-Alpha, all of these machines were upgraded from 1.3.1r6. After my bad experience with the first upgrade, I wanted to state how my subsequent upgrades have been. Recall that my first upgrade was a disaster (see previous post). The libc5-2-libc6 mini howto went well and the system was stable at that point. However, the wholesale upgrade of packages via dselect did not work and crashed my system. I eventually was able to recover, but this should not have happened. I recommend to the developers (if they have not already done so) to try an upgrade like this and get it to work. I tried a different route with the subsequent upgrades that proved successful. After I performed the libc5-to-libc6 via the mini-howto (incidently I had to add several more package upgrades during the l5-2-l6 upgrade guided by the Debian package dependency messages), I performed upgrades of individual packages by hand via dpkg. Basically, I would have a window open running dselect that would show me a batch of packages that needed upgrading during the select point of dselect. I would either print this screen out or flip screens back and forth to decide which packages to upgrade. In another window I would be running dpkg. I would cd to the directory containing the packages (usually a batch of about 10 or less from the same category) and only needed to type in the first few characters of the package name followed by the tab key. I would typically install a batch of 10 or less at a time (with a single dpkg command). For example, I started with the required packages in the base subdirectory. There may be an even simpler way to do this with dpkg, but this was sufficient for me and it worked! This process took a couple of hours to about 8 hours depending on the number of packages and complexity of the machine installation. I now have a nice stable system. This method may not have been necessary on these subsequent machines, but after the disaster of the first machine, I was not willing to take chances. There were a few minor configuration glitches, but the system is largely quite clean to upgrade in this manner. I would now feel comfortable to upgrade subsequent packages via dselect if needed. However, it is usually quicker for smaller numbers of packages to install directly via dpkg. In fact, I have found that I only use dselect for finding packages to install on the Alpha (and now the i386). -- /--\ |James D. Freels, P.E._i, Ph.D. |Phone: (423)576-8645 | | L | A | |Oak Ridge National Laboratory |FAX:(423)574-9172 | H | I | L | |Research Reactors Division |work e-m: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| F | N | P | |P. O. Box 2008 |home e-m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I | U | H | |Oak Ridge, Tennessee 37831-6392|world's best neutrons | R | X | A | \--/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Using YARD to create boot floppies?
Gary L.Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | I'm trying to use YARD to create a boot/root floppy pair for | emergencies. The trouble is that I can't seem to get them to work and | I believe I'm missing something. The boot floppy works fine and | prompts me to insert the root floppy. That goes fine, i.e., it gets to | the login prompt. But at that point I'm stuck. The login root, and | any login I try, yields the following message: | | login[12]: invalid password for `UNKNOWN' on tty1 [snip] Thanks to a hint from another unsuccessful person trying to use YARD I was able to narrow down my problem. Turns out it was PAM. After reading the Bootdisk_Contents file I found a relevant discussion of PAM under the RH 5.x section. I uncommented the lines to include the necessary PAM files on the root floppy, adjusted them to fit the Debian 2.0 distribution (Debian 2.0 had newer library versions and used /usr/lib/security instead of /lib/security), and reran yard. When I booted from the resulting floppy set everything came up without a hitch and I was able to log in to my system without any trouble. The only hitch was I couldn't get the root floppy under 1.44MB unless I left out the /lib/modules/2.0.34/*/*.o files. Not a problem for me since, to the best of my knowledge, I've included everything in the kernel I need to do a restore from my SCSI tape and modify my disk partition, e.g., ext2 and MSDOS/vfat support. Later I can just create a utility floppy with the modules if I feel these files will be needed during a rescue operation. If anyone else is interested in my Bootdisk_Contents file let me know. If there's enough interest I'll post it to the list. Gary -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Newbe Question - Setting up X11
On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 01:16:07AM -0500, Ed Cogburn wrote: David R. Robison wrote: X: exec of /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_NONE failed Any idea what I've done wrong? Any help would be appreciated. XF86_NONE indicates you haven't selected a default X server. The server you use depends on your video hardware; look at the xserver-* packages (xserver-svga is probably the most common). When you install a server it will ask if you want to make it the default server. If you say yes then XF86_NONE will be removed. Well, I seem to experience a problem like the one David describes, and it has to do with the configuration scripts for xserver-vga16 xserver-svga (maybe others, but that two are the ones I install the most), not respecting the default answer. I mean, they ask you something like: Do you want to make this the default X server [y]: And if you just press enter accepting the default answer, there is no action taken, if you press y and then enter it does set this X server as the default. This happends in new installs of X (where there is no xserver already configured), and when you have an X server configured and want to change it (it does not get changed by the default answer, you must key in y). I think this should be filled in a bug against the mentioned xservers, but I don't know how to do it, sorry, maybe someone of you know how and will do it. Also, I have not investigated how to fill a bug just to report this, because I figured out this should be easyly noted by everyone and that by this time someone had already filled the bug report. As to answer David's question, simpler thing to do is to uninstall and then reinstall the xserver and this time typing y enter when it ask you if you want it to be the default X server. See you Roberto Ruiz -- LINUX: the FREE 32 bit OS for [3456]86 PC's available NOW! -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Weird crash with dhcpcd and X11
Do you use xdm? X wants to know what your IP address is for its security. Since you don't have an IP until after dhcp does its work, this could be a problem. Mark H. Mabry wrote: Running Debian 2.0beta and 2.0.34 with a cable-modem. I'm in the process of converting from modem ISP access to using this cable-modem. I get a complete lock-up of Linux when I try to run both X11 and dhcpcd. I can run either one alone and things are fine. But when I start X, after dhcpcd, I see the X server spew stuff to the screen, then the screen blanks, and SILENCE. No X, no hard disk activity, nothing. Does anyone have any ideas here? Any suggestions on how to debug this? BTW - dhcpcd did not configure correctly on my system. It failed on the postinst script. And gave no expanation of the problem. I ran each part of the script by hand and got it configured. Thanks, Mark Mabry [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Please help with IP Aliasing
On Thu, Jul 02, 1998 at 11:53:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
firstly, replace all those ifconfig route commands with something like
this:
i=1
while [ $i -le 254 ] ; do
ifconfig eth0:$i XXX.231.206.$i netmask 255.255.255.0
route add -host XXX.231.206.$i eth0:$i
$i=$(( $i + 1 ))
done
i=1
for j in $( grep -v ^$\|^# /etc/virtual-hosts | awk '{print $1}' ) ; do
ifconfig eth0:$i $j netmask 255.255.255.0
route add -host $j eth0:$i
$i=$(( $i + 1 ))
done
alternatively, stick another ethernet card in the machine and start using
eth1:0 - eth1:255 aliases.the limit is per interface.
andy,
as noted in the last line, the first virtual device number should
start with zero, eth0:0, so if you use one of the cool scripts above
remember that! ( this is noted in the NET3 HOWTO ) furthermore, while
i'll admit i don't use 'make' to manage my virtual hosts on my web
server ( yet :P ) it is relatively easy to set up a Makefile as
craig has suggested and that would most certainly be the elegant
way to help you manage your 200+ virtual hosts.
good luck!
m*
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pon troubles
I'm trying to do dome dselecting via FTP, but I can't even seem to establish a connection to my ISP. Via pppconfig, I have configured my new Hamm system such that my modem port is ttyS2 (COM3), with maximum speed 115200, and all other ISP dialup and login info seemingly correct. Yet when I try pon, no luck. plog tells me the following: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0 tcgetattr: input/output error (5) Exit. I'm a newbie. I understand what lines one and three mean, and I imagine that line two is trying to tell me the problem, but I can't understand what it is saying. Could someone please give me a hand? BTW, I am using a Sony Pentium with 32MB RAM and a 33.6kbps internal modem. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
Hallo, I have also received the beanie-bag spam. I received the followin message last week and just want to know whether some of you did also receive it: Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:13:20 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please Read Hello, my name is Andy. I know where you live and I know where your kids sleep. If you dont call me within 24 hours im going to kill your kids. my phone number is 864-833-3403. P.S. This is NOT a joke. Johann -- | Johann Spies Windsorlaan 19 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]3201 Pietermaritzburg | | Tel/Faks Nr. +27 331-46-1310 Suid-Afrika (South Africa) | -- Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. Proverbs 3:5 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: More Urgent HAMM Install help needed
In a reply to an installation question you said (in part) With Debian you With Debian you only have to keep a minimum of configuration data stored on a couple of floppies to completely rebuild a working system from scratch. Is there a list somewhere of what those configuration data are? chuck -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Installing gnome
GNOME v.20 is sitting in Incoming (still). You can get debs of it from www.jimpick.com and the imlib it needs from www.livenet.net/~shaleh/software. You will find installing the debs MUCH nicer than trying to compile it. Brian Morgan wrote: Could someone walk a newbie through the process of installing gnome v.20, step-by-step, according to your experience? I'm running hamm, kernel 2.0.33. X is running with afterstep (but I have several other WM's I could use if need be). Download the tarballs, and now what? Brian -- Brian Morgan[EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Service Specialist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greenville College http://www.gvc.net/~jedi Surely you can't be serious! I am serious, and don't call me Shirley! -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: kernel canot find map file
- I get this in /var/log/messages: - - Jul 6 16:59:56 server2 kernel: Cannot find map file. - - when my computer boots with the new kernel. when you compile the kernel, copy vmlinux or arch/arch/boot/zImage to /boot and don't forget System.map (from/usr/src/linux) - that's the map file; you should probably use name /boot/System.map-2.0.34 for this kernel... that should be enough. Thanks for the reply. That file is what it was missing. I didn't know I needed to copy it. Now I have 2.0.34 running with exactly the drivers I need. Thanks again. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
