Re: Problemas con el rescue
El Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:12:36 +0200, has escrito: Tengo un Toshiba Satellite 230 CDX, 32 Mb de Ram y 1,3 Gb de DD. No consigo instalar linux desde el disquete rescue. Yo lo he instalado utilizando los discos especiales para el Toshiba Tecra de Debian 1.3.1 /stable/disks/1997-10-/special/tecra saludos, Freixo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: debian 2.0...donde?
Me sumo a la sugerencia de incluir los fuentes. Personalmente no me importa pagar un poco más por la revista para disponer de un Debian completo. Por cierto, ¿que hay de Linux Actual de este mes? Saludos. Luís -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
¿Alguien tiene Debian 2.0 en Madrid?
Hola a todos, no se si es mucho pedir, pero busco a alguien en Madrid o cercanías, que tenga la Debian 2.0 para que me deje copiarmela (tengo copiador), o sino, que me indiquen donde puedo adquirirla. Gracias Ubaldo J. Cotta _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Login Automático
Hola, estoy intentando configurar linux para que por defecto, arranque con un usuario, que no posee password, algo así como un anonymous. Pero el problema, es que lo único que he logrado es que no me pida el password, se que lo más seguro es que tenga que tocar el código. ¿podrías indicarme por donde puedo empezar a meterle mano al asunto? Gracias Ubaldo J. Cotta _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Login automaático en Linux
Hola, estaría interesado en obtener alguna información de como cambiar la configuración del login o donde tocar, o que fuentes puedo tocar para que linux no me pida el login al arrancar o me lo pida pero por defecto tenga un usuario (algo así como un anonymouse). El objetivo que persigo es que linux arranque un usuario anonimo, y que si quiero supervisar el ordenador, tenga que utilizar un login manual, en vez el lógin automático de inicio (que es como lo hace normalmente). Se que pido mucho, gracias por adelantado. Ubaldo J. Cotta _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Login Automático
On Thu, Jul 30, 1998 at 07:45:18AM -0700, Ubaldo Cotta wrote: Hola, estoy intentando configurar linux para que por defecto, arranque con un usuario, que no posee password, algo así como un anonymous. Pero el problema, es que lo único que he logrado es que no me pida el password, se que lo más seguro es que tenga que tocar el código. ¿podrías indicarme por donde puedo empezar a meterle mano al asunto? No estoy seguro que quieres hacer, pero creo que esto debe funcionar: 2:4:respawn:/sbin/gtty -n -l /bin/login usuario 38400 tty2 lo pones en /etc/inittab Es probable que no se pueda poner de esa forma y tengas que hacer un archivo (por ejemplo en /usr/local/sbin) que llame a login usuario... Marcelo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Descomprimir Zip
Hola, Tengo un fichero zip que contiene varios archivos. Creo que se hizo desde msdos. ¿Como puedo descomprimirlo en Unix? He probado esto: gzip -d -S .zip fichero.zip pero no funciona porque gzip espera solo un archivo. Saludos, Octavio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Descomprimir Zip
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Octavio Rodriguez Perez wrote: Tengo un fichero zip que contiene varios archivos. Creo que se hizo desde msdos. ¿Como puedo descomprimirlo en Unix? ¿Has probado a usar el programa unzip? Está en el non-free. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNcCYeCqK7IlOjMLFAQG3xQP+M4lLR6PufvbiGGvwCkoob0bBVmSlDwWF eyCPASa5djo7YGcaZ2aU2DxFeH7wWOfrNsMEQ2L8+B3Vt1ORQkwcCvErBEh3fd1u cN0LnH5uVrsrUzjOMbuf683IvUWRt27dW7/+i83vtjZwfhFD4d/VqWlPH3QyCCEl UU64AkrpCYU= =JBtr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: debian 2.0...donde?
On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lu=EDs_Arocha_Hern=E1ndez?= wrote: Me sumo a la sugerencia de incluir los fuentes. Personalmente no me importa pagar un poco más por la revista para disponer de un Debian completo. Hombre a mi tampoco pero no es esa la cuestión porque no creo que un CD más represente tanto dinero. El coste de un CD depende de la tirada de la revista. Linux Actual me temo no tiene _aun_ una tirada muy grande. Seguro que ira aumentando, lo estan haciendo bastante bien. De todas formas no creo que un CD para una tirada aunque sea pequeña suponga un gasto superior a veinte duros no ?? Y la revista es carita. Por cierto, ¿que hay de Linux Actual de este mes? Sale cada dos meses. Esperamos que en Septiembre lo hagan bien y no nos dejen con la miel en los labios. La nueva versión de Debian son tres CD's y no dos. Con todo lo comentado aquí deberían comprender que el número de ejemplares que van a vender variará bastante creo yo si solo ponen dos a si ponen tres sin meter la pata en nada porque ese tipo de noticias vuelan. Una sugerencia para la revista cuando salga en Septiembre es que publiquen en este medio si a nadie le parece mal un lugar donde pueda obtenerse sin problemas porque no suelen tenerla en todos los quioscos. Saludos. Luís -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- En caso de contestar a la lista mandame copia personal. /\ /\ No confies en un sistema operativo que se base en el \\W// secreto de sus fuentes. La NASA esta utilizando Linux. _|0 0|_Si Linux es bueno para la NASA, tambien lo será para ti. +-oOOO--(___o___)--OOOo--+ | . . . . U U . . . . Antonio Castro Snurmacher |Se me olvidaba. Linux | http://slug.ctv.es/~acastro.[EMAIL PROTECTED] |además es gratuito. +()()()--()()()--+ (*) Faq de Slug en http://slug.ctv.es/~acastro/slugfaq/slugfaq.htm (*) Top Ten Linux Comercial en http://slug.ctv.es/~acastro/topten.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: w18
On Wed, Jul 29, 1998 at 04:59:48PM -0400, Keith wrote: What's with the junk mail. What's really bad is that it appears to have come from or through an Air Force server (af.mil seen in headers). Someone could get fired _if it originated from that server (hard to tell, though--could've been a remail through a weak .mil server). Art BENCHMARK PRINT SUPPLY 1091 REDSTONE LANE ATLANTA GA 30338 CALL 770-399-0953 FOR TONER SUPPLIES ORDERS/PRICING ONLY CALL 770-399-5505 CUSTOMER SERVICE/SUPPORT ISSUES CALL 770-399-5614E-MAIL REMOVAL COMPLAINTS LINE OUR LASER PRINTER/FAX/COPIER TONER CARTRIDGE PRICES NOW AS LOW AS $39 UP. SPECIALS WEEKLY ON ALL LASER PRINTER SUPPLIES. WE CARRY MOST ALL LASER PRINTER CARTRIDGES, FAX SUPPLIES AND COPIER TONERS AT WAREHOUSE PRICES INCLUDING: HEWLETT PACKARD SERIES 2/3/4/2P/4P/5P/4L/5L/3SI/4SI/5SI IBM/LEXMARK OPTRA SERIES 4019/4029/4039/4049/4059 EPSON SERIES 2/1100/1500/6000/7000/8000 NEC SERIES 90/95 CANON COPIER PC SERIES INCLUDING 3/6RE/7/11/320/720/10/20/25 ETC... HP FAX SERIES 700/720/5000/7000/FX1/FX2/FX3/FX4/FX5 CANON FAX ALL MODELS PRICES CHANGE WEEKLY PLEASE CALL TO GET THE MOST RECENT PRICING/AVAILABILTY AND SPECIALS OF THE WEEK PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF THE FOLLOWING BEFORE YOU CALL: - WE DO NOT HAVE CATALOGS OR PRICE LISTS BECAUSE OUR PRICES CHANGE WEEKLY!! - WE DO NOT FAX QUOTES OR PRICES BECAUSE OUR ORDER LINE IS NOT SET UP TO DO THAT - WE DO NOT SELL TO RESELLERS OR BUY FROM DISTRIBUTERS - WE DO NOT CARRY : BROTHER -MINOLTA-KYOSERA- PANASONIC - XEROX - FUJITSU - OKIDATA - SHARP!! - WE DO NOT CARRY ANY COLOR PRINTER SUPPLIES! - WE DO NOT CARRY DESKJET/INKJET OR BUBBLEJET SUPPLIES NEW,NEW,NEW $10 MAIL IN REBATE ON SELECTED CARTRIDGES SIMPLY ORDER YOUR NEW CARTRIDGE, WHEN IT ARRIVES MAIL BACK YOUR REBATE CERTIFICATE WITH ANY USED CARTRIDGE FOR INSTANT CREDIT WE ACCEPT ALL MAJOR CREDIT CARDS OR COD ORDERS CORPORATE ACCOUNTS AVAILABLE WITH APPROVED CREDIT ALL PACKAGES SHIPPED UPS GROUND UNLESS SPECIFIED OTHERWISE -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Thanks, Keith MCNE You only get one chance at life, but if you do it right, you only need one. Debian GNU/Linux http://www.naples.net/~nfn11988 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Trouble upgrading to Debian 2.0
*-Russell Senior (29 Jul) | | I am having some trouble upgrading to Debian 2.0. I have sucked down | hamm, ran autoup.sh and then dselect repeatedly (dselect seems to be | happy now), but gcc is not working. Trying to compile a simple hello.c | test I get the following during the link stage: | |/usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0xe): undefined reference to `__libc_init_first' |/usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x18): undefined reference to `_environ' | | I have tried reinstalling the gcc package, the libc6 packages | repeatedly, but I am confused over the source and/or solution to this | problem. | Make sure you don't have any generic links in /lib like /lib/libc.so - /lib/libc.so.5 /lib/libm.so - /lib/libm.so.5 /lib/libncurses.so - /lib/libncurses.so.3 etc. where the link has no version number on it. I am speaking from experience not expertese. I got bit by this bug when I upgrades a while ago. Look in the debian-user mail list archives for the 'gcc can't compile, egcc can!??' thread. Apparently this is a remnant from an older Debian release that did not get cleaned up. I filed a bug report agains libc6 but apparently it did not get taken care of by release time. My thanks go to Zack Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] for helping me out when I had the problem. -- Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Trouble With Simple Thing.
Hello, I'm sorta new to Debian.. and I was wondering if anyone could help me with limiting users to their own directory. I've read docs about it, but still can't get it working. Anyone help? Thanks. Chris Wong | [EMAIL PROTECTED] AD Digital Media Inc. (c) 1998 http://addm.com/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Trouble upgrading to Debian 2.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (29 Jul) | up. I filed a bug report agains libc6 but apparently it did not get | taken care of by release time. | Um, I thought I did but I can't find any trace of it. H. -- Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: No color in second xterm
Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote: Mike wrote: You need to set TERM=xterm-debian (as I discovered today). That did not seem to solve the problem. One more strange thing that I notice is that my first xterm is always slightly bigger than subsequent xterms. I have screen captures of the first xterm and later xterms at - http://www.aunet.org/thaths/color.gif - First xterm http://www.aunet.org/thaths/no_color.gif - subsequent xterms I just solved this problem (or rather, it solved itself). I had the following in my .tcshrc - switch ($TERM) case xterm: case xterm-debian xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources breaksw default: breaksw endsw I deleted that and things have been fine. Why did *that* snippet cause the problem? I don't know. It just did. S. -- I really came on Godly. I took taxicabs all over NY. I tipped big because He would have. I got into a fight with a guy and I forgave him. It is true. Some guy hit my fender and I said unto him 'Be fruitful and multiply.' But not in those words. -- Woody Allen Sudhakar C13n http://people.netscape.com/thaths/ Indentured Slave -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Can only run X as root
Well, I managed to get X to run, but only as root. I've read manpages and howto's until my eyes have crossed. When I try xdm as a user I get the message only root wants to run xdm. If I try startx I get a message unable to open consol. I've checked X, xdm, and startx all three are -rwxr-xr-x. I know I've overlooked something small. After the bazzillionth time trying this I'm half way there. George -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Trouble upgrading to Debian 2.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *-Russell Senior (29 Jul) | | I am having some trouble upgrading to Debian 2.0. I have sucked down | hamm, ran autoup.sh and then dselect repeatedly (dselect seems to be | happy now), but gcc is not working. Trying to compile a simple hello.c | test I get the following during the link stage: | |/usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0xe): undefined reference to `__libc_init_first' |/usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x18): undefined reference to `_environ' | | I have tried reinstalling the gcc package, the libc6 packages | repeatedly, but I am confused over the source and/or solution to this | problem. | Make sure you don't have any generic links in /lib like /lib/libc.so - /lib/libc.so.5 /lib/libm.so - /lib/libm.so.5 /lib/libncurses.so - /lib/libncurses.so.3 etc. where the link has no version number on it. Bingo. Thanks very much for responding. I stumbled onto the same solution independently after I'd posted and am now making progress again. Thanks again! -- Russell Senior [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: No color in second xterm
*-Sudhakar Chandrasekharan (29 Jul) | | I just solved this problem (or rather, it solved itself). I had the | following in my .tcshrc - | | switch ($TERM) | case xterm: | case xterm-debian | xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources | breaksw | default: | breaksw | endsw | | I deleted that and things have been fine. Why did *that* snippet cause | the problem? I don't know. It just did. | What resources specific to xterms or vt100's are in that file? Just curious really, I have some similiar but not identical problems. -- Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
make-kpkg ie, compile/link kernel image compressed...
hey kernel build pros... I'm unable to build a kernel .deb package with the 2.0.34-4 kernel source and other required/suggested packages as documented in /usr/doc/kernel-package/README. Doing... make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image ...compiled everything ok, but, linking the bvmlinux image got... make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.34/arch/i386/boot/compressed' gcc -I/usr/src/linux/include -O2 -DSTDC_HEADERS -o xtract xtract.c gcc -I/usr/src/linux/include -O2 -DSTDC_HEADERS -o piggyback piggyback.c ./xtract /usr/src/linux/vmlinux | gzip -9 | ./piggyback piggy.o Non-GCC header of 'system' Compressed size 20. gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -traditional -c head.S gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -O2 -DSTDC_HEADERS -c misc.c -o misc.o ld -qmagic -Ttext 0xfffe0 -o bvmlinux head.o misc.o piggy.o ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 000fffe0 misc.o: In function `fill_inbuf': misc.o(.text+0x1ebc): undefined reference to `input_data' misc.o(.text+0x1ec1): undefined reference to `input_len' misc.o(.text+0x1ed7): undefined reference to `input_data' Where are char input_data[] and int input_len defined? I've got this error on two different systems; scratch build Debian 2.0 from boot floppies, the other an upgrade of Debian 1.3.x/Linux 2.0.30 Many thanks in advance. It was the Law of the Sea, they said. Civilization ends at the waterline. Beyond that, we all enter the food chain, and not always right at the top. -- Hunter S. Thompson -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Printer .......
Hi, I have upgrade to gs 4.03 and now i can print in colors (with magicfilter). Even the printer speed is now fast !! So the problem was with gs I have try to use apsfilter, but i only saw the bj200 and bj10 device Thanks for the help, --- Phillip Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Linux vs. Windows
These days, Linux being hard to install is true only in the sense that almost everyone installing it is starting out with something like Win95 already on their machine. That immediately causes problems like setting up a dual boot and partitioning to crop up - and these are problems that are not unique to installing Linux. If you had two equally intelligent/skilled people, gave one a Debian CD and the other a Win98 CD, and then gave each of them identically equipped new machines with reasonably mainstream hardware and a blank hard drive, I doubt that one would have significantly more trouble than the other in getting up and running. It's what comes after the install that is harder in Linux - there's no doubt about that. But speaking for myself, after a bit of a struggle getting started, it has been well worth the effort. Linux isn't for everyone though - and was never intended to be. Tom -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: SCSI Controller
Hi, Which motherboard has the BusLogic on board? Thanks! Anders Hammarquist wrote: I'm in the middle of getting a new PII (300MHz +) system. I'd like to know what SCSI controller should I get for the best performance and supporter driver on Linux: 1. BusLogic 2. Adaptec UW A. Onboard (which Motherboard) B. PCI Card The Adaptec controllers have been flakey on Linux (though it may change as Adaptec has finally started giving out specs). With the current drivers Adaptec 2940 (aic7xxx) cards get confused under high load. The BusLogic MultiMaster BT958 controllers run quite well under Linux and (from my experience) are quite a bit faster than the Adaptec controllers. Onboard or as a PCI card rarely makes any difference, as the 'on bord' controllers are just the PCI card soldered directly on to the motherboard. Another contoller that seem to be working nicely are the Symbios Logic 53c875 based cards such as Asus's SC875. Regards, /Anders -- -- Of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Anders Hammarquist | Mud at Kingdoms| [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetGuide Scandinavia | telnet kingdoms.se 1812| Fax: +46 31 50 79 39 http://www.netg.se | | Tel: +46 31 50 79 40 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Timothy C. Phan Intelligence Quest Research, INC. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
The Newbie Learning Curve
Hello Debian Userlist Readers, I will wholeheartedly agree with all those who shout the virtues of Linux. I will praise Mr. Tovalds for his most worthy accomplishment, and his great act of charity, a far more noble man than Mr. Bill Gates (and by the same token a lot poorer). I greatly admire this man for his act. But please, learned ones, don't insult the intelligence of Mr. Newbie by telling him just how easy linux is to learn, especially in an informal and unstructured environment. The debian documentation has improved by leaps and bounds over the last three months, and it is still doing so. Coming available online is much more information (if he strives to look for it) which will give the new comer a much better orientation relative to learning linux. Initially what the newcomer needs is some type of roadmap (a syllabus) to show him how to learn linux. From what I'm learning, the Debian Documentation Team is making a great effort to put something together. Those of you who have cut your teeth on unix type systems are at a great advantage using linux, and I envy you for it. You're where I want to be. For those of us who have leaned msdos first, we've found it a lot eaiser to learn. They teach msdos in quite a few schools, at all levels. More people use msdos systems, and therefore, it is easier to get informal instruction on msdos. It is also easier to get access to msdos systems. At this stage of the game, linux is something different (special), and the newbies are making the effort to learn the ground rules. That is why we are here. Do you think its easy for some of us to use the net to solicit help, expose our ignorance on a given subject, and then have someone tell us its easy, or give some quick sofisticated reply that flies right by us? Put yourselves in our shoes, how would you feel? It is not easy for the newcomer without ANY unix exposure to find his way around a linux system. There is a certain price to pay, the learning curve? I fully agree that all those who aspire, should pay the full price, but, help us, please don't blow smoke, and tell us its easy. Asking for help on the userlist, and having a lot of fine people offering their resouces to rescue us (the newbies) is magnificent. I personally appreciate the effort they make to understand some of the gibberish we sometimes write, while trying to explain our problems. The gibberish is not by design, at this stage, we just don't know how to put it all together to fully explain the troubles we are experiencing. As the saying goes, many times the learned ones are making sense out of nonsense, while trying to construct a reply to our questions. Again, I thank you, the learned ones. In the last four months, I've read more than three thousand messages on various lists. So, I know of what I speak, relative to what appears on the lists, not of linux. Maybe after paying our dues, and having vaulted the early hurdles, we may change our perspective, but for now, linux ITS NOT EASY. Bert Conliffe -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Problem with SCSI CD-ROM
On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Andreas Nolda wrote: Dear Debian users, trying to install Debian 2.0 from a Sony PCMCIA-Discman (PRD-250) using pcmcia-cs_3.0.0-9, I constantly get error messages of the following kind: scsi4: MEDIUM ERROR on channel 0, id 3, lun 0, CDB: 0x03 00 00 00 10 00 extra data not valid Current error sr0b: 00: sns = 70 3 ASC= 2 ASCQ= 0 Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x06 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x02 0x00 CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 1338 Well, Medium Error indicates that the CD is bad. Have you tried reading any other CDs? Maybe even just mounting a CD and doing an 'ls' on it? Where do I have to look for the source of this error? Aside from the possibility that you have a bad CD, I can only suggest that SCSI systems are notoriously sensitive to bad cabling... Sincerely, Ray Ingles (248) 377-7735 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Improvements succeeded each other so rapidly, that machines which had never been finished were abandoned in the hands of their makers, because new improvements had superceded their utility. Charles Babbage 'On the Economy of Manufactures' 1832 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Compatability of Diamond Speedstar Pro SE
Is the Diamond Speedstar Pro SE video card compatible with Debian V1.3.1 ? with v2.0.0? Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Bill -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Problem with SCSI CD-ROM
Hi Raymond A. Ingles; unless Mutt is confused, you wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Andreas Nolda wrote: Dear Debian users, trying to install Debian 2.0 from a Sony PCMCIA-Discman (PRD-250) using pcmcia-cs_3.0.0-9, I constantly get error messages of the following kind: scsi4: MEDIUM ERROR on channel 0, id 3, lun 0, CDB: 0x03 00 00 00 10 00 extra data not valid Current error sr0b: 00: sns = 70 3 ASC= 2 ASCQ= 0 Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x06 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x02 0x00 CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 1338 FWIW, I get the same error on my debian-mirror Cds. So, you are not alone (I know that doesn't help you...). Well, Medium Error indicates that the CD is bad. Have you tried reading any other CDs? Maybe even just mounting a CD and doing an 'ls' on it? Yup, I can mount it and do ls on it, but if I go to cp any of the files, it'll just freeze the system and only a _power-off_ will get it back up and running. This didn't happen with 1.3 disks (and it still doesn't). Is it at all possible the problem is in the CDs being completely full? (my df on /cdrom showed 100% used up)-- I know it is a long shot :-) BTW, if I do ls three or four levels deep (i.e. ls /cdrom/dists/hamm/binary-i386/mail it will give me those same errors but will not lock up. Is it maybe a side-effect of the disks being cut under Win95? I run 2.0.35, hamm (stable), ncr53c8xx driver and ncr53c815-based controller under AMDK6-233, if that is any help. My Cdrom is a 24x NEC1810. damir -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: The Newbie Learning Curve
Bert Conliffe wrote: please don't blow smoke, and tell us its easy. I hear you, but I think those with that attitute are a distinct minority, and you will find them in any field of knowledge. This is certainly not unique to Linux at all. I started with Linux almost a year ago with absolutely zero Unix experience. I did have plenty of computer experience and was one of those who thought How hard can it be - I'm a wiz Well I found out, and it's still not all that easy at timesbut getting easier, and I've had lots of great help along the way. Stick with it. Tom -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Hardware
Debian users, I posted the following message and thought maybe a Debian user could help. Thanks for any advice you could give. Please respond to my email address or to your list as I am subscribed now. I posted this message to comp.os.linux.hardware: Hello, I recently installed an AMD K6/2 300MHZ with an IWILL XA100 PC-100 motherboard, with 64M SDRAM. This motherboard uses the Ali Aladdin V chipset. I started getting hard drive problems when booting to Linux, having to run fsck to get it to boot (but on the next boot the same thing occurred). The system would also crash periodically while running Linux, with or without X, when attempting some process (like compiling or even a shell command). I then installed my new hard drive (IBM Deskstar 8) and successfully copied Linux to my new partition. The problem still occurred. I was running Redhat 4.2 with a 2.0.30 kernel and had planned on upgrading, so I attempted a fresh install of Debian Linux 2.0. I repartitioned the swap and Linux partitions and then tried the install. However, in the installation program when I try formatting my swap space (128M) with the error check feature the system either reboots by itself or comes back saying unable to initialize swap space, and then crashes. Does anyone know of problems with the Iwill XA-100 motherboard or Ali Aladdin V chipset running Linux? Amd told me they would research this but to go ahead and swap my motherboard with one on their list, such as the Microstar MS-5169. I asked them about the Microstar because I can trade my motherboard for this one. However I am unsure because the Microstar also uses the Aladdin V chipset. Any help would be appreciated concerning these motherboards or suggestions on a better PC-100 motherboard I should use with my Amd K6 and Linux. Please note for your opinions: I emailed both Amd and Iwill concerning this issue. Amd responded with a hope of help, but I received no reply at all from Iwill. Matt -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Linux vs. Windows
On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, The guy on the couch. wrote: Hi, I use win95 and I tried Linux once and couldn't even load a program. I'm not very experienced with other OSes. Since then I've never tried it. I'm thinking of upgrading to win98 and got to thinking about Linux again. Is there a way for both of these OSes to work on my machine, so I could tinker with Linux and keep my job as well (webmaster). You know if you could make the installation process a little more streamlined like that of commerecial company's and then start with a very simple GUI instead of the DOS-like command line, it might be a little easier for it to be adopted like the windows world. I think more people would try it, but they might be scared of it. I consider myself well-endowed with computers, but I look at Linux and I just freak. Any info? Thanks First, It is very possible for Windows and Linux to exist seperately on the same machine without any problems. To do this you simply create seperate partitions for each system. There are various ways to go about this. I will give a little help with this in a bit. Ok, now.. as you mentioned, sometimes Linux can be somewhat scary at first glance but it isnt really that hard. Once you start learning it and understanding it you'll see that it makes a lot more sense than some other OSes such as Win95/98/NT. Now, the best way to go about installing linux for the first time is to find someone (either over the phone or in person, or if you have two computers and can get online with one while working on the other) that can help you through the installation and initial setup. This is what I did my first time and was able to get a completely working Linux system the very first time. Now, for most people this isnt going to happen.. so what I recommend is finding a good book that explains how to go about doing everything in a way that is fairly easy to understand for someone who doesnt know anything about linux yet (unlike those Learn C/C++ in so and so days books where you have to already know C/C++ to understand them :P). What I would suggest is something like the book Running Linux. This is the book I started with and it helped quite a bit. This and other books can easily be ordered from www.cheapbytes.com. Now, if both of these suggestions are out of the question.. then the only thing I can think of is to just follow the instructions very carefully during the installation. Just read everything very carefully. This may take a couple tries but if you are naturally good with computers you should be able to figure it out. I really suggest a book because it will help you with everything including the problem of creating seperate partitions for Windows and Linux. I hope this helps and you get Linux installed ok. It is a powerful operating system that can change the way you look at computers. Brian .--[DrunkardNet]--. |-[ If it's too big... don't eat it ]-| |-[ Brian Weiss -- System Administrator ]-| |-[ http://www.got.net/~brian ]-| `-' -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Linux vs. Windows
On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Tom Pfeifer wrote: These days, Linux being hard to install is true only in the sense that almost everyone installing it is starting out with something like Win95 already on their machine. That immediately causes problems like setting up a dual boot and partitioning to crop up - and these are problems that are not unique to installing Linux. If you had two equally intelligent/skilled people, gave one a Debian CD and the other a Win98 CD, and then gave each of them identically equipped new machines with reasonably mainstream hardware and a blank hard drive, I doubt that one would have significantly more trouble than the other in getting up and running. It's what comes after the install that is harder in Linux - there's no doubt about that. But speaking for myself, after a bit of a struggle getting started, it has been well worth the effort. Linux isn't for everyone though - and was never intended to be. Not for long. Debian 2.0 was much easier to install than 1.3. Agree? With the presence of whiptail and slang in the base install, I think more and more windoze refugees like me (was) will find Debian quite easy to install. Even for non-technical people. Tom /\ Richard L. Alhama, Technical Support / \--, .o` /= ,,'' \/ Cyberspace Laoag,ISP ``,,http://www2.cyberspace.com.ph/~keyoz Overuse of the smiley is a mark of loserhood! --The Jargon File *'' -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Year 2000 compliance
On Wed, Jul 29, 1998 at 08:18:36AM -0700, Alexander wrote: Hi... Linux has no Y2K issues aside from the BIOS. It's that simple. However, sometime in the 2030s, it will have some time_t problems if not fixed by then. They should be, although you will probably need to upgrade your embedded system if you want it to keep running after then. actually...as I remember its 2038...and once it is fixed we will be good for another 2 million years I think. hmm... think that rembedded system will be used 2 million years form now? AFAIK its just a matter of changing time_t to a 64 bit integer (instead of 32 bit) and recompiling everything that uses it... actually...BTW there are (or were) some Y2K issues in linux applications. I know as shipping hamm has 1 in some cvs package...but thats the last one. It only really will effect databases which store dates in their own way -Steve Alex On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Rick Fadler wrote: Hi, I'm assuming with all the year 2000 compliance hype that there must be a document somewhere describing the year 2000 issues related to specific Debian releases of linux. Specifically, we have built an embedded system using Debian version 1.3. Being an embedded system, we've stripped out most of the utilities and standard packages. We now need to verify that our system is year 2000 compliant. Does anyone have any information on this? Rick Fadler NetLeaf, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 425-643-9610 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- ** Stephen Carpenter ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All authority is quite degrading. -- Oscar Wilde pgpXTRarZwmQ8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Hamm problem. (XDM, maybe)
Hi, I've just upgraded my system to Hamm, but after a reboot the screen flashs from text to graphics mode, and back. I think it might be XDM, as X Windows doesnt load... Any suggestions on how I can stop this? I dont want to format my H/D, and I cant shutdown XDM because the keyboard doesnt work while switching. And as the screen switchs about 5 times a second... -- Ender -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Mutt, Exim, and the From: header
On 29-Jul-1998, Curt Daugaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 1998 at 03:42:28AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Why not just use the set hostname in mutt? EG: set hostname=calweb.com set hostname=teleute.dyn.ml.org set hostname=zippitydoda.com Thanks, that solved it. I'm still bothered by the fact a working mailer set up could break in the same way more than once--angering my respondents and all--without my so much as touching its configuration. Mutt will do this all the time. That's why its version number is less than 1. I love mutt, but I hate the fact that it isn't stable yet. -- Tyson Dowd # Bill Gates is a white persian cat and a monocle # away from becoming another James Bond villan. [EMAIL PROTECTED]# No Mr Bond, I expect you to upgrade. http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~trd #-- Dennis Miller and Terri Branch -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Trouble With Simple Thing.
Chris Wong wrote: Hello, I'm sorta new to Debian.. and I was wondering if anyone could help me with limiting users to their own directory. I've read docs about it, but still can't get it working. Anyone help? Thanks. I don't understand what you want to do. The normal state of affairs is that users can go anywhere in the file system. It is possible to use permissions to restrict access to some directories; for example you may have a private directory under your home directory, to which you deny access to anyone else. For information on permissions and their use see http://www.debian.org/~hp/tut orial/debian-tutorial.html/ch-files.html; for detailed information, use `man chmod' and `man 2 chmod'. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. I Samuel 15:22 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Hamm problem. (XDM, maybe)
James Brown (Ender/Gcc) wrote: Hi, I've just upgraded my system to Hamm, but after a reboot the screen flashs from text to graphics mode, and back. I think it might be XDM, as X Windows doesnt load... Any suggestions on how I can stop this? I dont want to format my H/D, and I cant shutdown XDM because the keyboard doesnt work while switching. And as the screen switchs about 5 times a second... -- Ender -- Try booting single user. At the LILO message press left shift (you have about 2 seconds). At the resulting boot: prompt enter linux single (without the quotes) and return. Then enter the root password to go into single user mode. There will probably be a screen full of Xwindow messages that you can read with leftshift pageup/pagedown. My system didnt like an entry in /etc/X11/XF86Config. There was a line indicating my video chip set was trident 96xx which I had to change to trident 9680. This is all it took to get the system back to normal. You will probably find some simular error message that will get you going without much trouble. good luck, John Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Trouble With Simple Thing.
Chris Wong wrote: Hello, I'm sorta new to Debian.. and I was wondering if anyone could help me with limiting users to their own directory. I've read docs about it, but still can't get it working. Anyone help? Thanks. I don't understand what you want to do. I believe what he's looking for is a chroot type of thing, like anonymous ftp. Where a user gets assigned his home dir and they can't play anywhere else in the filesystem. I think there's something in the passwd file to set that up, if I'm not mistaken, but then again, I could be . . . .|_az -- Adam Lazur - Computer Engineering Undergrad - Lehigh University icq# 3354423 - http://www.lehigh.edu/~ajl4 Whenever the dragon's teeth of technological change are sown, we reap a whirlwind of violence. -Marshall McLuhan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
spam (was: Re: w18)
Keith wrote: What's with the junk mail. Send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let Igor complain. (is has been sent already) Regards, Joey -- There are lies, statistics and benchmarks. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
HAMM: difference between beta-2 final ?
Sorry, if that is an FAQ, but I did not find any hint. What changed between the final and the beta-2, or where can I find that info ? -- Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615 Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lrz.de/~bernhard --- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Trouble With Simple Thing.
At 01:47 AM 7/30/98 -0400, you wrote: Chris Wong wrote: Hello, I'm sorta new to Debian.. and I was wondering if anyone could help me with limiting users to their own directory. I've read docs about it, but still can't get it working. Anyone help? Thanks. I don't understand what you want to do. I believe what he's looking for is a chroot type of thing, like anonymous ftp. Where a user gets assigned his home dir and they can't play anywhere else in the filesystem. I think there's something in the passwd file to set that up, if I'm not mistaken, but then again, I could be . . . That's exactly what I want.. in ftp, I'm stuck.. I thought it would be nice so users don't get lost in the filesystem if they changed to the root dir. Chris Wong | [EMAIL PROTECTED] AD Digital Media Inc. (c) 1998 http://addm.com/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: HAMM: difference between beta-2 final ?
Bernhard Treutwein writes: Sorry, if that is an FAQ, but I did not find any hint. What changed between the final and the beta-2, or where can I find that info ? Whoops. I believe the easiest ways to find out are: a) let mirror run over a mirror of beta-2 b) Check the archives of debian-devel in July 1998 There were only very few packages. XFree86 and userv come to my mind. There are some more, but I don't recall. There were discussions on -devel right before the release. Regards, Joey -- There are lies, statistics and benchmarks. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Ultra/DMA IDE controllers
On Wed, Jul 29, 1998 at 03:19:38PM -0500, Nick Gilliam wrote: Are Ultra/DMA IDE controllers and drives supported under Debian 2.0. Yes and no. See the mini-HOWTO, Ultra-DMA (http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Ultra-DMA.html) Hope this helps. (I have some experience getting the Promise Ultra33 card working with the 2.1 series kernel, if you have further questionsi about that.) Curt -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Mutt, Exim, and the From: header
On Thu, Jul 30, 1998 at 04:45:47PM +1000, Tyson Dowd wrote: On 29-Jul-1998, Curt Daugaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still bothered by the fact a working mailer set up could break in the same way more than once--angering my respondents and all--without my so much as touching its configuration. Mutt will do this all the time. That's why its version number is less than 1. I love mutt, but I hate the fact that it isn't stable yet. Thanks for the reminder to take version numbers seriously, especially in fairness to the developers. Curt -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Can only run X as root
George R hat gesagt: // George R wrote: Well, I managed to get X to run, but only as root. I've read manpages and howto's until my eyes have crossed. When I try xdm as a user I get the message only root wants to run xdm. If I try startx I get a message unable to open consol. I've checked X, xdm, and startx all three are -rwxr-xr-x. I know I've overlooked something small. After the bazzillionth time trying this I'm half way there. X should be suid root and look like: $ ls -l /usr/bin/X11/X -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 4880 Jun 23 23:46 /usr/bin/X11/X ^ important Something must have messed up your setup, maybe you could try to set X back with a chmod -v 4755 /usr/bin/X11/X as root. -- ____ Frank Barknecht __ __ trip\ \ / /wire __ / __// __ /__/ __// // __ \ \/ / __ \\ ___\ / / / / / / / // // /\ \\ ___\\ \ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_//_// / \ \\_\\_\ /_/\_\ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: upgrading form lib5 to lib6
On 22-Jul-98 Bob Nielsen wrote: 3. Install apt and run 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. The bo version of apt may be found at http://www.debian/org/~jgg/apt_0.0.17-1bo0_i386.deb (be sure to read the documentation in this package). You mean that if I do this on a bo system it will be ok! No problems, no conflicts (except for the hand compiled stuff of course)??? IS THIS TRUE? If it is true then YUPIIE! I've been thining about upgrading to hamm but being this the machine where i do all of my work i didn't want to get into problems Thanks Mario Filipe [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://neptuno.sc.uevora.pt/~mjnf | Agora bilingue (PT e EN) - Now bilingual (PT and EN) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: [FAQ] Re: HAMM: difference between beta-2 final ?
Martin Schulze hat gesagt: // Martin Schulze wrote: Bernhard Treutwein writes: Sorry, if that is an FAQ, but I did not find any hint. What changed between the final and the beta-2, or where can I find that info ? Whoops. I believe the easiest ways to find out are: a) let mirror run over a mirror of beta-2 b) Check the archives of debian-devel in July 1998 There were only very few packages. XFree86 and userv come to my mind. There are some more, but I don't recall. There were discussions on -devel right before the release. There also is a very nice debian-changes mailing list. If you already have installed the beta-2 you could point dselect to an up-to-date mirror and get the Packages.gz-files. deselect shows you what has happend in between. Bye, -- ____ Frank Barknecht __ __ trip\ \ / /wire __ / __// __ /__/ __// // __ \ \/ / __ \\ ___\ / / / / / / / // // /\ \\ ___\\ \ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_//_// / \ \\_\\_\ /_/\_\ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: OFF-TOPIC: fwd: Microsoft Internet Explorer 4 Tip of the Day [Downloading multiple files - 07/27/98]
count zero a écrit: Frock wrote: ... This is a general problem with windows95/98, because the OS doesn't allow more than 4 (four!!) network connections!! Why is this ??Why do ppl have to suffer from this stupid limitation ?? I never understood that. Maybe someone can explain it to me ? /Frock maybe ppl are masochists :-)) or maybe they ever haven't tried linux :- -- Ahem... Maybe I'm a special case but... I downloaded the WHOLE hamm binaries in only 4 (litterally : FOUR) FTP sessions under Win 95. Of course, I didn't use the built-in TCP/IP stack, nor Internet Exploder... Q : Why under Win95 ? A : WinModem... -- * * \ / *-- * --* / \This was TMTM (The Megabyte Text Magician) / * -- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://www.globenet.org/periph / -Since I have dual boot, Win95 has become much more stable -That's what YOU think. In reality since, sometimes you happen to shutdown Lose95 before the GPF does it for you... -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Netscape and wwwoffle
Sorry, this question is not Debian-specific: I am trying to set up wwwoffle with Netscape 4.05. Apparently there shoud be, in the (Netscape) Edit/Preferences/Advanced menu, a section relating to proxies. All I have there are settings for Java and Cookies etc. Where the devil are the proxy settings hidden? TIA, Alan Tate -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: Can only run X as root
George R hat gesagt: // George R wrote: Well, I managed to get X to run, but only as root. I've read manpages and howto's until my eyes have crossed. When I try xdm as a user I get the message only root wants to run xdm. If I try startx I get a message unable to open consol. I've checked X, xdm, and startx all three are -rwxr-xr-x. I know I've overlooked something small. After the bazzillionth time trying this I'm half way there. Well, according to /usr/doc/X11/README.Debian /etc/X11/Xserver has two important lines. The first line indicates which X server to run. The second line consists of one of the following words: RootOnly, Console, Anybody. RootOnly means that only root is allowed to run the X server. Console means that anybody who is logged in on the console is allowed to run the X server. Anybody means that anybody is allowed to run the X server. /etc/X11/Xserver would be the place to look. I think mine defaulted to console, but I have it automagicly start xdm, so I'm not sure... Steve -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Linux vs. Windows
I recently installed Linux on my machine days after I upgraded to Win98. The only problem (not really a problem, just an inconvenience) was having to run defrag and then removing my swap file because I couldn't run defrag without the swap file (windows choked, go figure). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be careful with 98 and Linux. I read about 98 moving data around and could possibly break Linux. I just installed Debian 2.0, and it's pretty easy now. Basically follow the prompts. YOu may not have everything working, but your system will boot. On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, The guy on the couch. wrote: Hi, I use win95 and I tried Linux once and couldn't even load a program. I'm not very experienced with other OSes. Since then I've never tried it. I'm thinking of upgrading to win98 and got to thinking about Linux again. Is there a way for both of these OSes to work on my machine, so I could tinker with Linux and keep my job as well (webmaster). You know if you could make the installation process a little more streamlined like that of commerecial company's and then start with a very simple GUI instead of the DOS-like command line, it might be a little easier for it to be adopted like the windows world. I think more people would try it, but they might be scared of it. I consider myself well-endowed with computers, but I look at Linux and I just freak. Any info? Thanks begin: vcard fn: Christopher Wesneski n: Wesneski;Christopher org:STMicroelectronics adr:1310 Electronics Drive;;;Carrollton, Texas;;75006;USA email;internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] title: ASIC Design Engineer tel;work: (972) 466-8277 tel;fax:(972) 466-6572 note;quoted-printable:I skate to where the puck is going to be,=0D=0A= not where it has been. -Wayne Gretzky x-mozilla-cpt: http://sun4s023/~wesneski/;2 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Netscape and wwwoffle
edit, prefs, advanced, proxies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, this question is not Debian-specific: I am trying to set up wwwoffle with Netscape 4.05. Apparently there shoud be, in the (Netscape) Edit/Preferences/Advanced menu, a section relating to proxies. All I have there are settings for Java and Cookies etc. Where the devil are the proxy settings hidden? TIA, Alan Tate -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null begin: vcard fn: Christopher Wesneski n: Wesneski;Christopher org:STMicroelectronics adr:1310 Electronics Drive;;;Carrollton, Texas;;75006;USA email;internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] title: ASIC Design Engineer tel;work: (972) 466-8277 tel;fax:(972) 466-6572 note;quoted-printable:I skate to where the puck is going to be,=0D=0A= not where it has been. -Wayne Gretzky x-mozilla-cpt: http://sun4s023/~wesneski/;2 x-mozilla-html: TRUE version:2.1 end:vcard
advice on a portable
Anyone spare a moment to recommend a good portable on which to run Debian? I am changing jobs to a split job and can order a portable. I do research support as well as psychotherapy (weird huh?!) and am transferring from windoze/M$ to Debian. I will have to retain a dual boot on the machine and it will need to run stats packages (R/Xlispstat under Debian) as well as TeX etc, etc. I am thinking in terms of a fairly high spec. machine with a large disc, perhaps ideally the option to put another disc in. It'll need a CDROM and ideally some SCSI connection for tape/zip/scanner. It'll also need to take a modem and ethernet connector (probably simple 10Mbit UTP cabling onto a TCP/IP Windoze NT network in at least one site). I'm not to worried at weight, would like a reliable 1-2 hours of usable battery life but shouldn't often have need of more than that. I'd like an XGA screen/graphics card but don't know how Debian/XFree compatible those are at the moment. Bear in mind that I'll be buying in the UK so smaller USA companies are probably not going to be available. Who'll put in a recommendation and/or a veto? TIA Chris Chris Evans, Senior Lecturer in Psychotherapy, Locum Consultant to the Prudence Skynner Family Therapy Clinic, St. George's Hospital Medical School, London University [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://psyctc.sghms.ac.uk/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
Re: dselect missing ftp option
On: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:48:59 -0500 JonesMB writes: Thanks for the responses to my request. It turns out that I needed to add the dpkg-ftp package. Is it possible to upgrade/update individual packages on 1.3 systems or any upgrades that have to done must be preceded by the 1.3 - 2.0 upgrade. I ask because I am trying to get tcpdump but the only one I see is the one that requires libc6. Does that mean that the libc5-built packages are no longer available for download. The ftp sites I use are the one at Michigan and the ftp.debian.org site. I just updated a poor 1.3.1 system to 2.0 using a single program: apt. You can download a bo-version at: http://www.debian.org/~jgg/ look for the file with bo in its name. After that you can choose from two different ways. Either use the apt method in dselect or run the apt-get command manually. Just configure the /etc/apt/sources.list and execute these commands: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade I was able to update to 2.0 without even rebooting the computer. You can find more information about this at http://bhmit1.home.ml.org/deb/faq Torsten -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: emacs/xemacs conflict?
I didn't received the original message yet, so I answer to the followup of Alexander. Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:04:47 -0500 From: the lone gunman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Matt Garman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian/GNU User's List debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: emacs/xemacs conflict? Resent-Date: 23 Jul 1998 01:05:15 - Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; Why do the emacs and xemacs packages conflict under debian? I wanted to try xemacs, but had to dpkg -r emacs before I could dpkg -i xemacs Because the emacs and xemacs were not designed to be installed at the same moment and share too many files at the result, e.g., the whole /usr/info directory, utilities such as ctags and etags, and their manual pages. If you upgrade to Debian 2.0, you can install both emacs and xemacs. Here is some explaination on the change in this debian release: The former emacs and xemacs package has been replaced by a virtual package emacsen. This package means, that some kind (or flavour) of emacs is installed and can be used by other packages the state the dependency on some emacs. There is a new common package called emacs-common, which contains code for handling the different flavours. This handling includes bytecompiling lisp packages for all supporting flavours, read /usr/doc/emacsen-common/debian-emacs-policy.gz. The differnent flavour of emacs are implemented in the packages emacs19, emacs20, and xemacs20. Each one of these depends on emacsen-common and didn't conflict which each other. That means, you can have GNU Emacs 19.34, GNU Emacs 20.2, and XEmacs 20.4 all installed at the same time without conflicting each other. The info directory is now separated into an emacs-independent part (the /usr/info) and each emacs release get its own subdirectory within /usr/info. The different kind of utilties programs are covered by the alternatives mechanism in debian. Hoever, to make the change from emacs-emacsen complete, the emacsen-common conflicts with the /old/ emacs (19) package from bo. To make the long story short, install emacsen-common, emacs19 (or emacs20, whatever you prefer) and xemacs20 to have both GNU Emacs and XEmacs installed. Torsten -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Mounting Win95 Shares with samba
On: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:53:10 +0800 (WST) Lindsay Allen writes: Have you any ideas on what this is trying to tell me? elm# smbmount //gum/h /mnt Password: SMBFS: need mount version 6 mount error: Invalid argument Please look at smbmount's manual page for possible reasons Running 2.1.105 if that makes a difference. Maybe, that you need some never versions of the smbmount/smbumount utilities. I didn't tries the 2.1.x series that much yet (I couldn't get even ifconfig lo to work), so I can't test smbmount on my system. Look into /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/smbfs.txt, there should be the location where you can download them (at least it was there in the 2.0.x series). Torsten -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: dselect parse error in HAMM release
On: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:39:01 -0500 Craig Slusher writes: I'm new to the LINUX world and need some help solving this problem. When I run dselect, and update, I get the message; Checking for Packages file... FTP ERROR - Cannot parse yeeaar-or-time at /usr/lib/perl5/Debian/DpkgFtp.pm line 168. I just look into the code. This error message means, that the result of the ls -l command is not recognizable (parsable) by the perl script. You should login manually into the ftp server you use for dselect and execute the ls -l command (on my local ftp server I get): drwxr-xr-x 2 torsten users2048 Jul 23 11:10 bin drwxr-xr-x 4 torsten users1024 Feb 18 13:03 cvs -rw-r--r-- 1 torsten users 112 Jul 27 21:09 debian-fetch -rw-r--r-- 1 torsten users 74 Jul 26 17:40 debian-fetch~ drwxr-xr-x 2 torsten users1024 Apr 23 09:34 emacs -rw-r--r-- 1 torsten users 10589 Jul 29 21:28 fetch If it doesn't look like this usual long directory listing you are in trouble. The indicates the part of the output the perl code uses for determining the file time. Torsten BTW: What ftp server do you use for downloading? I assume it's not a unix system. Unfortunately, the output of the ls command is in no way standardized by the rfc. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Dumb Terminals
I have some old computers that I would like to use as dumb terminals. I was wondering if someone could point me to a good howto or faq on how to set this up or perhaps give me some tips and or help. If I had known this before IJoel Keating started, I would have been a plumber-Albert Einstein -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
linux printer software
Does anybody know if there is a linux program that will send a 1 bit signal through the printer port? Dan Golosovker [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
New install of Hamm 2.0.10_1998-07-21
I am installing Hamm anew on a machine that I had managed to get Bo on (but only recently so I had nothing much to lose by zapping it). Everything seems to go fine. I have reinitialised all the drives with the bad block checking and done the full install. When it comes to the final reboot everything seems to run fine including checking the drives and the root filesystem says it's loaded. Then I get: INIT: version 2.75 booting INIT: No inittab file found Enter runlevel: If I enter 3 I get: INIT: Entering runlevel: 3 INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel and the machine is locked up, dead! No other consoles, no nothing. I've done the whole thing twice with the same result. The only other oddity I can see both times is that the driver installations all give a quick messages saying something like root: no such user before reporting the installation and its success. Any thoughts, advice, commiserations? TIA Chris Chris Evans, Senior Lecturer in Psychotherapy, Locum Consultant to the Prudence Skynner Family Therapy Clinic, St. George's Hospital Medical School, London University [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://psyctc.sghms.ac.uk/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
linux software
Does anyone know where I could get a linux program that would send a one bit signal accross a printer port? Dan Golosovker [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Debian News
We are currently trying to add a section to our News on the web page that references articles that are published in which Debian is mentioned. If you come across such an article, please drop the URL for it in an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Nils. -- Nils Lohner E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Press Contact Press: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
HELP: Just upgraded and now i don't have X
Hi The subject just about says it all doesn't it? Everything went smooth except for X, mor exactly xbase. Whenever i try to compile it i get this: running dpkg --pending --configure ... Setting up libtool (1.0h-5) ... Configuring libtool... dpkg: error processing libtool (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Setting up xbase (3.3.2.2-4) ... Do you want to create the XFree86 configuration file? (y/n) [y] /usr/bin/X11/XF86Setup: error in loading shared libraries /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6: undefined symbol: _Xglobal_lock The /etc/X11/XF86Config file was not created. expr: syntax error dpkg: error processing xbase (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing: libtool xbase dpkg --configure returned error exit status 1. Press RETURN to continue. Can someone please explain how to fix this one. Also when running ldconfig: 15:20:58 /root neptuno# ldconfig ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/neXtaw (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/Xaw95 (No such file or directory), skipping ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/netscape/libjsd.so (No such file or directory), skipping Well this about sum's it up for now! See y'a Mario Filipe -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Hamm problem. (XDM, maybe)
Boot with your rescue disk. Mount the partition that contains your /etc directory. Edit /etc/X11/config, commenting out the line start-xdm. Reboot normally. Mike On Thu, Jul 30, 1998 at 04:44:39PM -0700, James Brown Ender/Gcc wrote: Hi, I've just upgraded my system to Hamm, but after a reboot the screen flashs from text to graphics mode, and back. I think it might be XDM, as X Windows doesnt load... Any suggestions on how I can stop this? I dont want to format my H/D, and I cant shutdown XDM because the keyboard doesnt work while switching. And as the screen switchs about 5 times a second... -- Ender -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Ignore: New install of Hamm 2.0.10_1998-07-21
An hour or so ago my moron self sent a message to the list that started: I am installing Hamm anew on a machine that I had managed to Scrap it -- sorry! I was being dumb and mounted a drive as /etc when I meant to mount it as /home. I presume that /etc has to be on the root drive. Things seem fine now! Sorry! Chris Chris Evans, Senior Lecturer in Psychotherapy, Locum Consultant to the Prudence Skynner Family Therapy Clinic, St. George's Hospital Medical School, London University [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://psyctc.sghms.ac.uk/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Netscape and wwwoffle
Alan Tate wrote: Sorry, this question is not Debian-specific: I am trying to set up wwwoffle with Netscape 4.05. Apparently there shoud be, in the (Netscape) Edit/Preferences/Advanced menu, a section relating to proxies. All I have there are settings for Java and Cookies etc. Where the devil are the proxy settings hidden? Click on the arrow left of advanced, you'll see a popup menu... Dirk -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: advice on a portable
On 30-Jul-98 Chris Evans wrote: I am changing jobs to a split job and can order a portable. I do research support as well as psychotherapy (weird huh?!) and am transferring from windoze/M$ to Debian. I think you're cured. You can go home now. Ted. E-Mail: (Ted Harding) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 30-Jul-98 Time: 15:47:18 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Wintel CD burner apps to create Debian CDs?
The last time I checked there was no such thing... Just curious if there is now a program for an NT/95 machine which will correctly burn the Debian 2.0 CD images (ISO-9660 + RRE, IIRC...). I just got a nice new box with some actual horsepower! (PII-300). If so, then I'd be willing to make as many as I could... TIA, Kendrick -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
RE: HELP: Just upgraded and now i don't have X - An update
On 30-Jul-98 Mario Filipe wrote: Hi The subject just about says it all doesn't it? Everything went smooth except for X, mor exactly xbase. Whenever i try to compile it i get this: snip I've been doing some research i definitely believe the problem is with either xbase or xlib6g. Why? Because i'm running the Xserver right now, and the window manager also, but i can't run xinit, startx, xterm etc.! They all spit out the same error. Help me please... Mario Filipe [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://neptuno.sc.uevora.pt/~mjnf | Agora bilingue (PT e EN) - Now bilingual (PT and EN) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Dumb Terminals
If you want to set them up a X-terms you can look at: http://www.menet.umn.edu/~kaszeta/unix/xterminal/index.htm Venkat On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some old computers that I would like to use as dumb terminals. I was wondering if someone could point me to a good howto or faq on how to set this up or perhaps give me some tips and or help. If I had known this before IJoel Keating started, I would have been a plumber-Albert Einstein -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: DHCP and hostname
Thanks for all of you who have helped me. I solved the hostname problem by using the -c commandfile option in the dhcpc init script in /etc/init.d. Now if I can make the rest of the init scripts (particularly xdm) wait for the hostname to be set (it takes the DHCP server about 15 seconds to complete the IP assignment) then I will be set. Venkat On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Mark H. Mabry wrote: Venkat My linux machine is in a network where the IP addresses are Venkat assigned using DHCP. I use dhcpcd to get the IP address Venkat but it also mangles my machine's hostname (probably because Venkat the DHCP server is not properly configured). Is there a way Venkat to query the DNS server for the correct hostname from the Venkat assigned IP address and assign it? Can this be automated? Venkat Thanks. Sorry for coming in late on this thread. If I understand correctly, you want to update your hostname when DHCP gives you a (new) IP address. Here is what I do: 1) In the dhcpcd call there is an option to execute a script after the IP address gets BOUND. Add that option to your call, in /etc/init.d/dhcpcd, if it is not already there. I don't remember the option, off hand. 2) In this script add a line that runs ifconfig and greps out your local IP address. Then it takes that field and inserts it into /etc/hosts with sed. I made a /etc/hosts.start that has my local IP address as XXX. Then I have the script run sed -e s/XXX/$new_ip/ /etc/hosts.start /etc/hosts 3) Make sure that /etc/hosts has your fully qualified pathname in it. I have something like: IP addr foo.bar.com foo That should do it. Pls note that I'm typing all of this from memory, so you should check everything. All the concepts should be solid though. Mark MabryTel: (978)250-3344 x264 Avici Systems Inc.Fax: (978)250-3377 12 Elizabeth Dr., Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chelmsford,MA 01824 Web: http://www.avici.com/ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Dosemu Wordperfect 5.1
If there are any debian users using WordPerfect 5.1 on dosemu, I would like to have a copy of their /etc/dosemu/conf. I could not succeed in getting Wordperfect 5.1 running successfully on Dosemu. Thanks. Johann -- | Johann Spies Windsorlaan 19 | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]3201 Pietermaritzburg | | Tel/Faks Nr. +27 331-46-1310 Suid-Afrika (South Africa) | -- And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. I Samuel 15:22 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Wintel CD burner apps to create Debian CDs?
The last time I checked there was no such thing... Just curious if there is now a program for an NT/95 machine which will correctly burn the Debian 2.0 CD images (ISO-9660 + RRE, IIRC...). I just got a nice new box with some actual horsepower! (PII-300). Forget trying to get the files themselves... It's not the burner or software that's the problem. It's the OS. WinXX doesn't support symbolic links - of which the Debian FTP trees are full of Instead, get some software (Adaptec CD Creator Deluxe) that will write ISO images to disc and then either download the Official Debian CD Set images and burn them, or use mkisofs on a Linux box to create your own images from a local mirror. (Then, move the image to your Winbloze box and burn them there. This is what I do - seeing as (at work) I have a burner that is unsupported by Linux - and, for political reasons has to remain with a Winbloze box, anyways) Regards, Kevin Traas -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: 2.0 CD images and symlinks...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 29 Jul, Tyson Dowd wrote: Try mounting them with -onojoliet Yes! That did it. Thank you! My man-page for mount (nor fstab) says nothing about -onojoliet (or joliet at all), maybe I need a newer version of mount? (2.7l) Or is this information stashed somewhere else? I think this might be a bug in kernel 2.0.33 -- it only happened with my 2.0.33 box (not my 2.0.32 and 2.0.34 boxes). I've also never seen documentation for it (I upgraded my kernel, instead). Aha, yes... was using 2.0.33, upgraded to 2.0.34 and the need for -onojoliet went away... Yes, this is a know problem with 2.0.33. The documentation is missing, because joliet extensions have to be patched into 2.0.X kernels. It has been backported from 2.1. Grimaldi --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 2048/E451C639 Jens Ritter Key fingerprint: 5F 3D 43 1E 24 1E CC 48 1E 05 93 3A A7 10 73 37 Like the genre it is meant to satirize my article is a mélange of truths, half-truths, quarter-truths, falsehoods, non sequiturs, and syntactically correct sentences that have no meaning whatsoever. --- Alan D. Sokal on his article in Social Text -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: upgrading form lib5 to lib6
All I can say is that I have upgraded one system with apt-get and didn't break anything. I have also done three upgrades using autoup.sh and one clean ftp install of hamm without any major problems. There have been a few minor glitches, but nothing which broke anything. One of these upgrades (the one using apt) was after hamm was frozen, none were with either the beta or final release. Judging from some of the messages I have seen, not everyone has been this successful, however. I don't have enough data to speculate on the reasons. Upgrading from rex to bo or from hamm to slink was much easier, since the libc5 to libc6 transition has been the biggest obstacle here. On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Mario Filipe wrote: On 22-Jul-98 Bob Nielsen wrote: 3. Install apt and run 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. The bo version of apt may be found at http://www.debian/org/~jgg/apt_0.0.17-1bo0_i386.deb (be sure to read the documentation in this package). You mean that if I do this on a bo system it will be ok! No problems, no conflicts (except for the hand compiled stuff of course)??? IS THIS TRUE? If it is true then YUPIIE! I've been thining about upgrading to hamm but being this the machine where i do all of my work i didn't want to get into problems Thanks Mario Filipe [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://neptuno.sc.uevora.pt/~mjnf | Agora bilingue (PT e EN) - Now bilingual (PT and EN) Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Dumb Terminals
I read the document on dumb terminals for X but what if i just want them to sit with getty login instead of being dumb X terminals? Any chance anyone knows a good doc on that? If I had known this before IJoel Keating started, I would have been a plumber-Albert Einstein -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: advice on a portable
On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Chris Evans wrote: Anyone spare a moment to recommend a good portable on which to run Debian? I am changing jobs to a split job and can order a portable. I do research support as well as psychotherapy (weird huh?!) and am transferring from windoze/M$ to Debian. I will have to retain a dual boot on the machine and it will need to run stats packages (R/Xlispstat under Debian) as well as TeX etc, etc. I am thinking in terms of a fairly high spec. machine with a large disc, perhaps ideally the option to put another disc in. It'll need a CDROM and ideally some SCSI connection for tape/zip/scanner. It'll also need to take a modem and ethernet connector (probably simple 10Mbit UTP cabling onto a TCP/IP Windoze NT network in at least one site). I hesitate to answer as I do not yet have direct experience with a laptop and Debian (or Linux) but I have just gone through the process of research and am somewhat familiar with some of the resources available. There is a lot of information out on the Web about this. I'm buying 5 laptops for a networking lab I'm putting together at work. I will run Debian on them when I get them. I selected a Hitachi VisionBook Pro 7560. I wanted a 13 XGA TFT display for the brightness and size and wanted everything else to be as fast (CPU, modem) or big (RAM, hard disk) as I could afford. Unfortunately, my budget was small and I couldn't afford much, so the Hitachi was a compromise. I probably would have gone with an IBM ThinkPad if money was no object, but all of this is VERY subjective. The main issue seems to be the video hardware. There weren't any X servers written for some of the chips such as the NeoMagic, which are used in a lot of laptops (although this may be inaccurate now, NeoMagic chips might be starting to be supported). The Chips Technologies video chips are well supported and I constrained my search to those. Your best bet I think is to look around the Web a bit. I would also try to spend a little time with your candidate laptops (like in a store or somewhere) if you can, I've found that the input devices on laptops seem to be very different in feel and IMHO is a big delineator in the usefulness of the machine. Some of the button oriented pointing devices are really lousy as are some keyboards, but this again is VERY subjective. Some of the references I used were: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ http://pepia.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html And there are a lot more. Good hunting... -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Netscape and wwwoffle
On Thu, Jul 30, 1998 at 05:06:55PM +0200, Dirk Bonne wrote: Alan Tate wrote: Where the devil are the proxy settings hidden? Click on the arrow left of advanced, you'll see a popup menu... Dirk Sheesh, how stupid can one get? And I always clicked on the word Advanced, never on the arrow! Thanks a lot. Alan Tate -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Problem with SCSI CD-ROM
Damir J. Naden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Raymond A. Ingles; unless Mutt is confused, you wrote: On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Andreas Nolda wrote: trying to install Debian 2.0 from a Sony PCMCIA-Discman (PRD-250) using pcmcia-cs_3.0.0-9, I constantly get error messages of the following kind: scsi4: MEDIUM ERROR on channel 0, id 3, lun 0, CDB: 0x03 00 00 00 10 00 extra data not valid Current error sr0b: 00: sns = 70 3 ASC= 2 ASCQ= 0 Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x06 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x02 0x00 CD-ROM I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 1338 FWIW, I get the same error on my debian-mirror Cds. So, you are not alone (I know that doesn't help you...). Did you grab an image from the mirror and burned that, or did you generate your own images for burning? Where did you get it from? Does this happen every time on the same file or on different files? The first indicates a broken image/cd, the latter problems with the hardware. As both of you have the problem I guess its a broken image... [reboot necessary because system hangs] This really should not happen. Even if the kernel barfs loudly on the image, it should be able to recover... I would consider a kernel problem. (BTW: Are you able to telnet to your box or does it hang completely? e.g. look for the famous --MARK-- in syslog, too) This didn't happen with 1.3 disks (and it still doesn't). Is it at all possible the problem is in the CDs being completely full? (my df on /cdrom showed 100% used up)-- I know it is a long shot :-) CD are mounted read only. They are completely full by definition. (This does not take into account that it might be a multi session cd with space left ). BTW, if I do ls three or four levels deep (i.e. ls /cdrom/dists/hamm/binary-i386/mail it will give me those same errors but will not lock up. Is it maybe a side-effect of the disks being cut under Win95? Should not matter. I run 2.0.35, hamm (stable), ncr53c8xx driver and ncr53c815-based controller under AMDK6-233, if that is any help. My Cdrom is a 24x NEC1810. Nothing special I would say. HTH, Jens --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 2048/E451C639 Jens Ritter Key fingerprint: 5F 3D 43 1E 24 1E CC 48 1E 05 93 3A A7 10 73 37 It's simply unbelievable how much energy and creativity people have invested into creating contradictory, bogus and stupid licenses ... --- Sven Rudolph on the licences in debian/non-free. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: AGP video card
Brian Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Fire GL 1000 , or also called Diamond Permidia 2 8MB AGP 2d/3d combo video card. I didn't see this in the list of video cards to select. Could someone please help me in setting up the correct server options for this. [ Get suse´s server ] One thing they don't tell you though that you have to do under Debian is delete the 'X' bin that should be in /usr/X11R6/bin and then just link the Elsa_GLoria bin (XSuSE_Elsa_GLoria I believe) to 'X'. If you have any other problems after doing this feel free to mail me. How could they tell you that??? The X provided in /usr/X11R6/bin is a script which checks for some security issues (are you allowed to run the X server? e.g.) and finally calls the Server mentioned in /etc/X11/Xserver. The Debian Way(tm) is leave /usr/X11R6/bin alone and edit /etx/X11/Xserver. Grimaldi --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 2048/E451C639 Jens Ritter Key fingerprint: 5F 3D 43 1E 24 1E CC 48 1E 05 93 3A A7 10 73 37 Everthing works only as good, as it is expected to. --- Stephen Chu on why his lasercooling apparatus only cooled to some millikelvins and not to some nanokelvins (as later by theorists was demonstrated possible) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: find -exec
Ulisses Alonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi all
I would like to know if there is a way to make something like this
find some path -exec command1 {} | command2 \;
xargs?
HTH,
Jens
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Everthing works only as good, as it is expected to.
--- Stephen Chu on why his lasercooling apparatus only
cooled to some millikelvins and not to some nanokelvins
(as later by theorists was demonstrated possible)
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'killall' in hamm?
What happened to 'killall' in hamm? It's no longer in procps. Has it been relocated to another package? -- Richard W Kaszeta Graduate Student/Sysadmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of MN, ME Dept http://www.menet.umn.edu/~kaszeta -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
log file rotation in hamm...
I just installed hamm, and I noticed that the log file rotation in
/etc/cron.{daily,weekly}/sysklogd now uses a facility called
syslogd-listfiles. does anyone know how to change the periodicity
with which logs are rotated? most notably, i want to rotate syslog on
a weekly, not daily basis, but it seems that there's no way to make
syslogd-listfiles to do the right thing without munging
/etc/syslog.conf in unspeakable ways.
anyone got a solution? thanks...
-alan
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BO Lockup problems
I am running Bo on a Dell Laptop. I am using Kernel 2.0.33, I get random lockups with no warning, rhyme, or reason. I don't know what it could be exactly. I think it is related to APM, because it is usually after I take my computer out of suspend. I will unsuspend it, type maybe 5 or 6 letters and then it's locked. I can still telnet in to it and do a shutdown, but the console locks. Any ideas? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: 'killall' in hamm?
*-Richard Kaszeta (30 Jul) | What happened to 'killall' in hamm? It's no longer in procps. | Has it been relocated to another package? | | % dpkg -S killall psmisc: /usr/man/man1/killall.1.gz psmisc: /usr/bin/killall sysvinit: /usr/man/man8/killall5.8.gz sysvinit: /sbin/killall5 -- Brian Mechanical Engineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: 'killall' in hamm?
What happened to 'killall' in hamm? It's no longer in procps. Has it been relocated to another package? Yes -- psmisc. Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept of Mathematical Sciences, Queen Mary Westfield College, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, ENGLAND -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: 'killall' in hamm?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes (Re: 'killall' in hamm?): % dpkg -S killall psmisc: /usr/man/man1/killall.1.gz psmisc: /usr/bin/killall sysvinit: /usr/man/man8/killall5.8.gz sysvinit: /sbin/killall5 Okay, thanks. I didn't install anything in 'base' since all that stuff is supposedly in base.tar.gz. The 'psmisc' package wasn't. -- Richard W Kaszeta Graduate Student/Sysadmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of MN, ME Dept http://www.menet.umn.edu/~kaszeta -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
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Richard Kaszeta wrote: What happened to 'killall' in hamm? It's no longer in procps. Has it been relocated to another package? Yes, psmisc. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: log file rotation in hamm...
On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Alan Su wrote:
: I just installed hamm, and I noticed that the log file rotation in
: /etc/cron.{daily,weekly}/sysklogd now uses a facility called
: syslogd-listfiles. does anyone know how to change the periodicity
: with which logs are rotated? most notably, i want to rotate syslog on
: a weekly, not daily basis, but it seems that there's no way to make
: syslogd-listfiles to do the right thing without munging
: /etc/syslog.conf in unspeakable ways.
:
: anyone got a solution? thanks...
Comment out the following lines in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd
for LOG in `syslogd-listfiles`
do
if [ -f $LOG ]; then
savelog -g adm -m 640 -u root -c 7 $LOG /dev/null
fi
done
(Try running `syslogd-listfiles' - you'll notice that /var/log/syslog
is the output)
If you don't want ANY logs rotated on a daily basis, remove
/etc/cron.daily/sysklogd, or add an exit 0 to the beginning of that
file.
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Re: log file rotation in hamm...
Nathan E Norman wrote (Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:51:59 -0500 (CDT) ):
|On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Alan Su wrote:
|
|: I just installed hamm, and I noticed that the log file rotation in
|: /etc/cron.{daily,weekly}/sysklogd now uses a facility called
|: syslogd-listfiles. does anyone know how to change the periodicity
|: with which logs are rotated? most notably, i want to rotate syslog on
|: a weekly, not daily basis, but it seems that there's no way to make
|: syslogd-listfiles to do the right thing without munging
|: /etc/syslog.conf in unspeakable ways.
|:
|: anyone got a solution? thanks...
|
|Comment out the following lines in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd
|
|for LOG in `syslogd-listfiles`
|do
| if [ -f $LOG ]; then
| savelog -g adm -m 640 -u root -c 7 $LOG /dev/null
| fi
|done
|
|(Try running `syslogd-listfiles' - you'll notice that /var/log/syslog
|is the output)
|
Yea, i tried this first to see what it did, and you're right it spits
out /var/log/syslog. my question was basically: how do you modify the
behavior of syslogd-listfiles?
|If you don't want ANY logs rotated on a daily basis, remove
|/etc/cron.daily/sysklogd, or add an exit 0 to the beginning of that
|file.
|
Well, this is only half the solution; if i simply exit the script
without doing anything, i don't get the daily rotations. however, i
don't get the weekly ones either (which is what i want).
-alan
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Re: log file rotation in hamm...
Alan Su wrote: Well, this is only half the solution; if i simply exit the script without doing anything, i don't get the daily rotations. however, i don't get the weekly ones either (which is what i want). -alan So move the script from daily to weekly. Then it gets run when you want it to be. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: log file rotation in hamm...
Shaleh wrote (Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:00:56 -0400 ): |Alan Su wrote: | Well, this is only half the solution; if i simply exit the script | without doing anything, i don't get the daily rotations. however, i | don't get the weekly ones either (which is what i want). | | -alan | |So move the script from daily to weekly. Then it gets run when you want |it to be. i could do that. it just feels a little strange since 'syslogd-listfiles' is supposed to output the list of logs to rotate daily, and 'syslogd-listfiles --weekly' is supposed to do the same for those to be rotated weekly. moving the script doesn't seem like it should be the Debian Way. how would i go about making the ppp log file rotate daily (for example)? this isn't going to be possible using syslogd-listfiles, as far as i can tell. anyway, this isn't that big a deal to me. if this isn't possible with syslogd-listfiles, i'll just install my old bo scripts... -alan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: log file rotation in hamm...
On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Alan Su wrote:
: Nathan E Norman wrote (Thu, 30 Jul 1998 12:51:59 -0500 (CDT) ):
: |On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Alan Su wrote:
: |
: |: I just installed hamm, and I noticed that the log file rotation in
: |: /etc/cron.{daily,weekly}/sysklogd now uses a facility called
: |: syslogd-listfiles. does anyone know how to change the periodicity
: |: with which logs are rotated? most notably, i want to rotate syslog on
: |: a weekly, not daily basis, but it seems that there's no way to make
: |: syslogd-listfiles to do the right thing without munging
: |: /etc/syslog.conf in unspeakable ways.
: |:
: |: anyone got a solution? thanks...
: |
: |Comment out the following lines in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd
: |
: |for LOG in `syslogd-listfiles`
: |do
: | if [ -f $LOG ]; then
: | savelog -g adm -m 640 -u root -c 7 $LOG /dev/null
: | fi
: |done
: |
: |(Try running `syslogd-listfiles' - you'll notice that /var/log/syslog
: |is the output)
: |
:
: Yea, i tried this first to see what it did, and you're right it spits
: out /var/log/syslog. my question was basically: how do you modify the
: behavior of syslogd-listfiles?
No, I looked through the script and it's a bit opaque to me :)
: |If you don't want ANY logs rotated on a daily basis, remove
: |/etc/cron.daily/sysklogd, or add an exit 0 to the beginning of that
: |file.
: |
:
: Well, this is only half the solution; if i simply exit the script
: without doing anything, i don't get the daily rotations. however, i
: don't get the weekly ones either (which is what i want).
Huh? Weekly rotations are handled by /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd, which
is a different script. I guess I don't follow your argument.
As I said, you can delete/disable the sysklogd script in
/etc/cron.daily, and that will disable daily rotations. It'll have no
effect on WEEKLY rotations.
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Re: log file rotation in hamm...
I did not see the full scope of the question. I am away from my Debian box. Alan, would you send a very clear, concise e-mail back to the list that better explains what you want? If the current scrpt fails in some respect then it can be updated -- that is the Debian way (-: Post a bug, make an update. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
PCMCIA modem problems after hamm upgrade
I have just upgraded from bo to hamm (which was quite a task -- I put in the wrong directory structure into dpkg-ftp and it completely corrupted my status file -- thank Gd for backups...). I've now updated all my packages to the versions in the stable hamm release, and have recompiled my kernel (2.0.34). I have a laptop with a PCMCIA modem (Psion Dacom Gold 56K). I have compiled my pcmcia utils to match the current kernel. I have the latest versions of netbase, dip, ppp, etc. However, when I try to connect to either my college (via SLIP) or my ISP (via PPP), the connection appears to be made with no problems (I use dip, with the same script I used before upgrading), but then the line is disconnected immediately. So I can't connect to the outside world from home. 8-( Has anyone got any suggestions for how to fix this problem? All help appreciated Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept of Mathematical Sciences, Queen Mary Westfield College, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, ENGLAND -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
simple driver
Hi, I'm looking for a simple driver that will send a one-bit signal through a parallel port. The reeson I need this is that I would like to control 8 independant relay switches with a computer program. Dan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: PCMCIA modem problems after hamm upgrade
Just a little more info on this one: I have compiled all of the requisite parts of the kernel, and I even compiled them in directly rather than as modules, as I thought that might be part of the problem. I have just upgraded from bo to hamm (which was quite a task -- I put in the wrong directory structure into dpkg-ftp and it completely corrupted my status file -- thank Gd for backups...). I've now updated all my packages to the versions in the stable hamm release, and have recompiled my kernel (2.0.34). I have a laptop with a PCMCIA modem (Psion Dacom Gold 56K). I have compiled my pcmcia utils to match the current kernel. I have the latest versions of netbase, dip, ppp, etc. However, when I try to connect to either my college (via SLIP) or my ISP (via PPP), the connection appears to be made with no problems (I use dip, with the same script I used before upgrading), but then the line is disconnected immediately. So I can't connect to the outside world from home. 8-( Has anyone got any suggestions for how to fix this problem? All help appreciated Julian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Julian Gilbey Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept of Mathematical Sciences, Queen Mary Westfield College, Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, ENGLAND -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Unidentified subject!
Has anyone or does anyone know how to, set up dumb terminals that are not X terminals? I have read a few docs that some have pointed me to (greatly appreciated) but they describe installing a unix on them I was wondering if there was a way to just plug a few monitors into 1 box kind of like an old mainframe but all the dumb terminal would have would be is a keyboard and a monitor. If I had known this before IJoel Keating started, I would have been a plumber-Albert Einstein -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: simple driver
Dan, Sending your message repeatedly (I've noticed 3 already) does little more than irritate people. Your question is not debian specific and is therefore inappropriate for this list. Finding this info on the web is a snap. The code you want is at http://www-ugrad.cs.colorado.edu/~rkirkpat/software/ppc-1.0.tgz . It took me about 45 seconds to find this on infoseek using the keywords parallel port control program. Dan Golosovker wrote: Hi, I'm looking for a simple driver that will send a one-bit signal through a parallel port. The reeson I need this is that I would like to control 8 independant relay switches with a computer program. Dan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Problem with SCSI CD-ROM
Hi Jens Ritter; unless Mutt is confused, you wrote: Did you grab an image from the mirror and burned that, or did you generate your own images for burning? Where did you get it from? I haven't done it myself, but one of the debian maintainers did it for me. Don't know the answer to that one. sorry... Does this happen every time on the same file or on different files? The first indicates a broken image/cd, the latter problems with the hardware. It happens on the different files. Not always to the same extent, though. Sometimes it will just spit out whole pile of raw-data addresses, and I can unmount the /cdrom cleanly, though the light on the CDrom drive will stay on until I actually eject the CD by hand. [reboot necessary because system hangs] This really should not happen. Even if the kernel barfs loudly on the image, it should be able to recover... I was trying to get the syslog to the moment of the crash, but couldn't get exact point from the logs. Will look some more if that is of benefit to anyone. This hang-up happened while I was in the X-win, running Netscape and xconsole at the same time as trying to cp gcc binary from the CD. I know that xconsole had whole pile of raw data crap as described by the original poster (which is what I 'normally' see every time I use that CD), but than all of a sudden I saw a message of SCSI-bus reset ( I had that happen before on that CD, but system recovered by itself- only running VC at the time- one user only), some PID being killed ( I didn't write it down...) and whole system hung. My screen was unaffected ie I could still see everything, but mouse was frozen, I couldn't get Ctrl-Alt-F2 (or F3 or F4 ...), I couldn't kill the X-session, even Ctrl-Alt-Delete wouldn't do a thing. I waited for three hours for the system to recup without success. I than powered it down, being ready to boot off floppies, but boot-up was fine, just mentioned in the boot-up messages, that shutdown was not done cleanly. I can't telnet, since it is only a single computer. What is -MARK- for? I have that now regulary since I upgraded to full hamm/stable... I hope this helps somebody out there to at least get a hint at where the problem is. damir -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: log file rotation in hamm...
OK, both Norman and Shaleh didn't understand my question. i can only conclude that i'm an idiot. =) here's a second shot: these are the output of 'syslogd-listfiles' and 'syslogd-listfiles --weekly': alsu# syslogd-listfiles /var/log/syslog alsu# syslogd-listfiles --weekly /var/log/messages /var/log/mail.warn /var/log/mail.err /var/log/mail.info /var/log/uucp.log /var/log/lpr.log /var/log/user.log /var/log/ppp.log /var/log/kern.log /var/log/auth.log /var/log/mail.log /var/log/daemon.log /var/log/debug /etc/cron.daily calls 'syslogd-listfiles' and concludes that /var/log/syslog should be rotated daily. /etc/cron.weekly calls 'syslogd-listfiles --weekly' and rotates all the other logs on a weekly basis. the change i want to make is to rotate /var/log/syslog on a *weekly* basis, rather than a daily basis. as Shaleh points out, this particular modification can be accomplished by simply moving /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd to /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd2 or something. i claim this isn't the Debian Way, but rather a hack. for example, how would one make /var/log/messages rotate daily rather than weekly? i would like a way for 'syslogd-listfiles' and 'syslogd-listfiles --weekly' to output something like the following: alsu# syslogd-listfiles /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages alsu# syslogd-listfiles --weekly /var/log/mail.warn /var/log/mail.err /var/log/mail.info /var/log/uucp.log /var/log/lpr.log /var/log/user.log /var/log/ppp.log /var/log/kern.log /var/log/auth.log /var/log/mail.log /var/log/daemon.log /var/log/debug it seems to me that there should be a way to do this, but currently it requires an act of god, or at least some really gross changes to /etc/syslog.conf which will probably change the way stuff gets logged. (i admit, i don't really understand what facilities and priorities are, which is what syslogd-listfiles uses to decide when things need to be logged.) looked at it another way, my question could be, why doesn't syslogd-listfiles have it's own config file which describes directly when things should be rotated, rather than inferring that from /etc/syslog.conf? does this make sense? -alan -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Which debian?
I have given up trying to get PHP3 running as a module in Apache 1.3.1 with sybase-ct support on my RedHat 5.1 machine. Apache gives me a segmentation fault upon startup. I believe that glibc is at fault. I'd like to try another distribution instead of going back to RH4.2, which uses libc5. I know very little about the Debian distribution in general. My question: does hamm use glibc or libc5? If it is glibc, is there a way to compile PHP and Apache using libc5? Thanks. -- ++ | Stephen Collins | Phone: 334-385-5012 | | Information Systems Analyst | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Pine Belt Communications | Fax: 334-385-2103 | ++ -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Debian CD Creation
I downloaded an image of the Debian 2.0 CD, but am not sure how to burn it in Windows. The documentation talks of changing the .raw file to a .iso file, but my system does not recognize the extension. Can the CD be created using Adaptec's DirectCD? Thanks, Dinesh == ~~~ Dinesh Nadarajah Member of Technical Staff, SBC Technology Resources inc. Office Phone : 512.372.5298 Office Fax : 512.372.5691 Home Phone : 512.794.5988 ~~~ _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
