Dudas /etc/resolv.conf
The following lines specify one or more IP addresses of your domain name servers. These should be the DNS machines at your ISP. A sysadmin that I know also suggested that you put 127.0.0.1 as your first nameserver. This will cause your local DNS to use your local `named' daemon to be consulted first, and this can speed up DNS accesses, since the local daemon can cache previously-found domain names locally, which is faster than your computer having to contact your ISP's DNS all the time. Opiniones respecto a esto? Viable en Debian? Requiere alguna configuración previa? Partimos de que mi configuración de los servicios de internet es casi calcada al Infovía-Howto (me resisto a ponerlo con b). Un saludo .,,.·.,,.·.,,.·.,,.·.,,.·.,,.·.,,.·.,,.·.,,.·.,,. Barbwired The Translatrix U. Complutense de MadridFilología Inglesa Proud Debian GNU/Linux User Since Oct'98 http://come.to/aenima.madrid/ Web de aenima http://www.asfast.net/barbwired/Linux Laptops
Re: Problemas montando la disquetera.
El Sun, Mar 07, 1999, Hernan Joel Cervantes Rodriguez... (...) Aunque he hecho un par de pruebas, y me funciona con disquetes `ext2' pero no con disquetes `msdos', :-(, me dice: mount: you must specify the filesystem type Extraño, pues a mi me funciona a la perfeccion. Pueda ser que el núcleo no tenga el soporte este tipo de formato, para saber si este oporte esta o no disponible en el archivo /proc/filesystem deve aparecer una linea diciendo msdos. Tengo `msdos' como módulo cargable, no compilado en el núcleo. Quizás sea eso. El `check' me truncará nombres largos en cualquier caso ? Este punto no entendi, que quieres decir con check. Si el formato es ext2 no deve haver ningun truncamiento del nombre del arquivo (para nombres menores de 26 caracteres). Truncamiento puede existir cuando montas un formato vfat como msdos. Sí, por ahí iva mi pregunta, vale. Saludos. -- Cosme = -=-=- A través de Debian GNU/Linux -=-=- -=-=- Software Libre -=-=- -=-=- Computadora de 1992 -=-=- http://www.linux.org/ S.O. Multi-[plataforma, tarea, usuario] http://www.gnu.org/Free Software Foundation http://lucas.hispalinux.es/ Documentación en Castellano =
Re: servidor proxy
Guenas On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 09:56:14AM +0100, Pablo Martín wrote: ¿Qué haria falta para montar un sercidor Proxy (Ftp, Http, IRC) y que se pudiera acceder remotamente? Es decir yo por ejemplo lo tengo en casa y desde otro sitio hago una llamada y me conceto a internet. Ah me podeis recomendar algun proxy que además de http, sirva para ftp, correo e irc? Vamos a ver: ¿por que no usas ip-masquerading? Asi consigues acceso transparente para todos esos servicios que precisas. Ademas de eso puedes montar un proxy http y ftp (tipo wwwoffle o squid) y asi puedes tener cache y podras navegar off-line (especialmente en el caso del wwwoffle). Pero lo importante es el ip-masquerading, que te da todo lo que necesitas. Saludines -- -- POWERED BY Linux. Debian 2.0 - Kernel 2.2.1 - User reg. 66054 Andres Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] Antequera (Malaga) - Spain Grupo LIMA (Asociacion de Usuarios de Linux de Malaga) http://iaeste.cie.uma.es/lima
Re: Los usuarios y los grupos.
On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 05:19:13PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Angel Vicente Perez wrote: Confieso que despues de haber leido varios mensajes en esta lista sobre el asunto, no se añadir usuarios a los grupos, por ejemplo al grupo dialout. Por favor un recuerdito o una referencia a documentación. adduser usuario grupo añade el usuario usuario al grupo grupo. [ man adduser para más información ]. Gracias, era esto lo que estaba buscando. Saludos.
HOLA A TODOS
Hola a todos, Tengo la nueva debian, todos los subdirectorios binary y mi duda es como puedo pasar eso a cds ya que son en algunos casos 1,3 gb Un saludo. Angel
apt en debian
Por favor, si me respondeis enviadme una copia a mi direccion de correo puesto que no estoy en la lista. Gracias. Uso apt y tengo el siguiente sources.list deb ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/debian hamm main contrib non-free Que tengo entendido que significa URL de debian: ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/debian distribucion: hamm sub-distribuciones (o lo que sea): main contrib non-free Pero cuando hago un apt-get obtengo el siguiente error: ERROR ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/web/lynx_2.8-2.3.deb 550 /pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/web/lynx_2.8-2.3.deb: not a plain file. Evidentemente no funciona pq. no va a ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/hamm/... sino a ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/stable/ Vamos que el stable ese esta grabado a fuego... Como se puede cambiar eso?. Lo cierto es que antes (cuando usaba el dpkg-ftp y hamm era la version estable) no tenia problemas... Por pensaba que era un problema propio del dpkg-ftp. Otro dato es que el apt-get update funciona correctamente (o por lo menos dice hacerlo). Saludos y gracias.
Re: apt en debian
Salvador Petit Marti wrote: Uso apt y tengo el siguiente sources.list deb ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/debian hamm main contrib non-free ftp://ftp.rediris.es/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/web/lynx_2.8-2.3.deb 550 /pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/web/lynx_2.8-2.3.deb: not a plain file. Curioso, parece que lee el Packages de hamm, pero luego lo busca en stable (que ahora es slink, no hamm), por lo que no encuentra la misma versión. La causa es que en la información de paquete en Packages.gz solo aparecen las posibilidades stable/unstable/frozen. Filename: dists/stable/main/binary-i386/web/lynx_2.8-2.3.deb Ese es un problema con el paquete que hay en rediris que aún no se ha actualizado. En cambio, el del mirror de Alemania lo acabo de mirar y ya funciona bien, porque se refiere a hamm. Filename: dists/hamm/main/binary-i386/web/lynx_2.8-2.3.deb Prueba con: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian hamm main contrib non-free non-US y ya no debieras tener problemas. En Alemania, non-US es ya un link a sus directorios de non-Us, por lo que se puede poner así, en otros mirrors la parte de non-US puede no funcionar Por cierto, la nueva stable ya es slink, no hamm. Saludos, P.D. Te contesto otra vez aquí porque va un poquito más de detalle sobre la causa del problema de lo que va en el mensaje que te envié hace un rato. -- = Agustín Martín Domingo, Dpto. de Física, ETS Arquitectura Madrid, (U. Politécnica de Madrid) tel: +34 91-336-6536, Fax: +34 91-336-6554, email:[EMAIL PROTECTED], http://corbu.aq.upm.es/~agmartin/welcome.html
Unidentified subject!
Problemas al instalar Word Perfect Me he instalado WP 8 en la ultima version de debian ( 2.0) y al ejecutarlo me dice que me falta la liberia libXpm.so.4 que sin embargo si esta presente en el directorio /usr/X11R6/lib/ Como es esto posible ??
Re: Unidentified subject!
Yo he tenido un problema similar. En tu caso creo (practicamente estoy seguro) que WordPerfect va a buscar esa librería a /lib o /usr/lib. Esto se puede ver fácil con el comando strace -ppid -oficherosalida -f siendo el pid el proceso del basch donde vayas a dar el comando de arranque del WordPerfect ./xwp ficherosalida el fichero done quieres que strace guarde la información -f es para que te tracee los procesos hijos que se generen. En el fichero de salida puedes ver las órdenes open() de apertura de ficheros del kernel, podrás ver que las librerías no las va a buscar a /usr/X11R6/lib (por lo menos en mi caso nunca las busca allí. Debes instalar también la libc5, las xlib6 para libc5 y la xpm4 para libc5 si no quieres que también tengas el error de segmentation fault que me ocurría a mí (Esto me lo resolvió Xose Manoel Ramos mandándome la información por mail de que me faltaban esas librerias (xlib6 y xpm4). El problema de las librerías que no encuentra se resuelve con enlaces simbólicos (ln -s) entre el lugar donde está la librería efectivamente y el path donde lo busca el programa WordPerfect Saludos. Retuerta Pascual escribió: Problemas al instalar Word Perfect Me he instalado WP 8 en la ultima version de debian ( 2.0) y al ejecutarlo me dice que me falta la liberia libXpm.so.4 que sin embargo si esta presente en el directorio /usr/X11R6/lib/ Como es esto posible ?? -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: modems
El Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 09:35:10PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] contaba: Yo no he pillado ninguno, pero entre los externos he leído una y mil veces que están los winmodem, y que éstos NO FUNCIONAN con Linux. Lo que no creo es que en la cajita ponga winmodem, así que no sé cómo se puede distinguir. Si alguien me explica como se puede transmitir el enorme volumen de datos (y a la velocidad suficiente) a través del puerto de serie para que la CPU pueda gestionar la modulación/demodulación, pues me creeré que haya WinModems externos. Mientras tanto, está claro, que los externos son compatibles multiplataforma: PC/Mac/Amiga/... O por lo menos todas las plataformas que utilicen RS323 Y el símbolo de Windows aparece en las cajas de cualquier cosa. Incluso en las cajas de galletas. Que no quiere decir que sólo funcionen bajo este sistema. Y para terminar: WinModem: Marca registrada de 3Com HSP: Marca registrada de RockWell Son tecnologías similares, por lo que hay que buscar que no tengan ningua de las dos menciones en la carcasa. -- Saudos: ose[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vigo/Galicia/España) http://pagina.de/xmanoel/ http://w3.to/mikkeli/
OT. Editor Lex y Yacc
Hola, Perdon por el OT, pero es que tengo que editar un monton de codigo en lex y yacc y no encuentro ningun editor que le ponga sintaxhighlight y sangrado. He probado con el emacs pero solo he encontrado un modo para yacc/bison que funciona bastante mal. Hay algo que funcione mejor para editar lex y yacc? Gracias, -- - Jose Luis Trivintilde;o Rodriguez LAB. 2.3.4 Tlf.: (95) 2132863 http://www.lcc.uma.es/personal/trivino/trivino.html Usuario registrado de linux nº 53043 - La medida de programar es programar sin medida
Re: Dudas /etc/resolv.conf
At 16.14 11/3/99 +, you wrote: The following lines specify one or more IP addresses of your domain name servers. These should be the DNS machines at your ISP. A sysadmin that I know also suggested that you put 127.0.0.1 as your first nameserver. This will cause your local DNS to use your local `named' daemon to be consulted first, and this can speed up DNS accesses, since the local daemon can cache previously-found domain names locally, which is faster than your computer having to contact your ISP's DNS all the time. Opiniones respecto a esto? Si tienes el named corriendo en local, lo que logras es un cache de nombres, tirando primero de los que tenga en memoria. Viable en Debian? Totalmente. Requiere alguna configuración previa? Requiere que en la configuración para resolución de nombres especifiques bien la jerearquia de resolución poniendo primero tu máquina y porteriormente el/los servidores de nombres a los que accedas normalmente Partimos de que mi configuración de los servicios de internet es casi calcada al Infovía-Howto (me resisto a ponerlo con b). Te servira para que no tenga que resolver dos veces el mismo nombre en la misma sesión, util si navegas durante periodos de más de 15 minutos accediendo varias veces al cada servidor. Un saludo Lo que cuento aqui es mi visión sobre el tema, en base a lo que conozco, si estoy equivocado corregidme!!!. :-) SaludoX __ / / _ ---/ / (_)__ __ __ --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ /la oportunidad de -//_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ dominar tu ordenador __ | | |Miguel Pérez Colino | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | http://www2.adi.uam.es/~migpc | |__|
Re: Problemas montando la disquetera.
Hernan Joel Cervantes Rodriguez... (...) Aunque he hecho un par de pruebas, y me funciona con disquetes `ext2' pero no con disquetes `msdos', :-(, me dice: mount: you must specify the filesystem type mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /directorio_para_montar para cargar el módulo y usar el sistema de archivos vfat: modconf __ / / _ ---/ / (_)__ __ __ --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ /la oportunidad de -//_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ dominar tu ordenador __ | | |Miguel Pérez Colino | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | http://www2.adi.uam.es/~migpc | |__|
Redes netware bajo Linux
Hola todos: He instalado el paquete ncp para redes netware de Novell. En principio, con el comando slist puedo ver los fileserver de la red Novell También con el comando #ncpmount /punto de montaje -S servidor -U usuario soy capaz de montar un sistema de ficheros después que el sistema me pida la password de red. Una vez montado el sistema de ficheros soy capaz de ver los ficheros y subdirectorios que el servidor me ofrece. El problema es que no puedo acceder ni siquiera a leer el contenido de dichos ficheros, tampoco puedo copiarlos a otros directorios y mucho menos modificar su contenido. El comando ncpmount tiene varias opciones para representar las opciones de lectura de los ficheros de la red novell, aunque por defecto Linux me los presenta con acceso de lectura. Pero yo creo que quien me deniega los permisos de lectura, modificación, etc. es el servidor Novell. Estoy accediendo a Novell con el mismo usuario y password que desde Windows y accedo a mi arbol de directorios. Lo único diferente es que Linux me monta el arbol de subdirectorios de tal forma que veo mas subdirectorios que desde Windows, pero solo me presenta los ficheros de mi cuenta. Quisiera saber si alguien ha usado redes Novell desde Linux y ha tenido algún problema como el que yo estoy comentando y me de un empujoncito para solucionar el problema. Saludos y gracias.
Gracias (era 01010101...) :-)
Holaaa! Bueno, parece que ya dí con lo que era. El linux no quería arrancar porque estaba instalado el /dev/hdd cuando tenía que tener la partición root en /dev/hda Es curioso, ya lo hice hace algún tiempo en /dev/hdd y funcionó, eso sí, con otro ordenador con otras caracteristicas y tal. Bueno, no me como mas la hoya, gracias a todos! :-)
lista de correo sobre Mutt :?
¡Ché All! Pues lo del subject, que busco lista de correo especializada en mutt si puede ser en lentejo mejor y si no pues en Inglés me sirve :-) Si no conoceis ninguna agradecería algún .muttrc trabajadito O:) Me funciona perfectamente pues lo estoy utilizando ahora mismo pero quiero sacarle mas jugillo 8) ahh aprovecho para presentarme por aquí que estoy de mirón mucho tiempo 8) Un saludete a todos y acias por anticipado. -- Un Saludo.. ;-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.bigfoot.com/guti | Fido: 2:346/207.127 ... Inventando tagline...²²²°° 82%
Media Magic / Sanyo CD (MAD16, isp16, sjcd)
Hola lista! acabo de instalar una placa de sonido Media Magic con un CD drive SANYO CDR-H94A. Conseguí hacer andar el CD agregando al kernel el módulo apropiado (sjcd). Conseguí hacer andar la placa agregando al kernel el soporte para MAD16 y para isp16. Lo que me está faltando es saber cómo reproducir CDs de audio. Ninguno de los players que he probado parece aceptar más que drives IDE/ATAPI y/o SCSI. Cuando le pongo como dispositivo /dev/sjcd dan errores. (Probé con xplaycd, xmcd y workbone). No tendría ningún problema en utilizar el botón de play de la unidad de CD, el problema es que no existe!, viene sólo con el botón de eject. Alguien por aquí tiene alguna experiencia con players de CD's de audio e interfases no-estándar? Desde ya agradecido, O__ Enzo.,/ ()=\() Enzo A. Dari | Instituto Balseiro / Centro Atomico Bariloche 8400-San Carlos de Bariloche, Argentina | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 54-2944-445208, 54-2944-445100 Fax: 54-2944-445299 Web page: http://cabmec1.cnea.gov.ar/darie/darie.htm
Re: lista de correo sobre Mutt :?
Agustin MuNoz dixit: ¡Ché All! Pues lo del subject, que busco lista de correo especializada en mutt si puede ser en lentejo mejor y si no pues en Inglés me sirve :-) ... en inglés sí, en castellano no creo: Welcome to the mutt-users mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe mutt-users or from another account, besides [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unsubscribe mutt-users [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... aunque la dirección para la subscripción venga de [EMAIL PROTECTED], en .procmail ya he tenido que poner varias direcciones (los mensajes pueden venir de cualquiera de ellas, no sé qué pasa. Sin gbnet.net no te contesta, prueba mutt.org, o cualquier otra: mutt-users@(mutt.org|gbnet.net|sobolev.rhein.de|cs.hmc.edu) Un saludo, Horacio.
Re: XFree 3.3.3
No, mejor el tgz, yo he actualizado en el portátil, y dos veces en el de casa y ningún problema. Los paquetes están en master.debian.org: http://master.debian.org/~vincent/xfree-3.3.3.1/ pero no son oficiales. Luis. -- Luis Francisco Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint = F8 B1 13 DE 22 22 94 A1 14 BE 95 8E 49 39 78 76
Re: modems
On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] dixit: Yo no se mucho de modems, pero tengo entendido de que cualquiera exerterno no da problemas porque como van por el puerto serie (rs-232c)y eso es muy estandar funcionan todos bien. Yo no he pillado ninguno, pero entre los externos he leído una y mil veces que están los winmodem, y que éstos NO FUNCIONAN con Linux. Lo que no creo es que en la cajita ponga winmodem, así que no sé cómo se puede distinguir. Mi módem es un Diamond SupraExpress 56e Pro, no te puedo decir que sea mejor ni peor que otros pero sí que a mí me funciona muy bien. Otra cosa sería comprar uno que fuera ampiable a más de 56Ks... si tenés la plata. Un saludo, Horacio. Creo que tienes razon sobre lo de los winmodems, no tiran con linux, lo que ya no estoy seguro es de que haya winmodems externos. Internos si, pero externos ya no lo se. Los que estan marcados como HSP son winmodems, y casi seguro quen o tiran. Yo les diria a los de la tienda que si no funciona me lo cambien, pero la mayoria de las tiendas no tienen ni idea de nada y alguan igual te juega una mala pasada, asi que asegurate de que te lo recogen si no tira. Por si te vale la informacion, el Zoltrix FVM-56e (creo recordar que era asi) funciona perfectamente en linux. (es externo) suerte, bt
cambio de nombre de maquina
Hola ¿hay algun modo elegante de cambiar el nombre de una maquina sin recorrer todos los ficheros? Gracias y un saludo,
Installing X to Debian (Continued)
Hi- Me again, no I downloaded Debian 2.0 off the internet I am running Debian on my 386 powerhouse. The reason I did not use dselect is because I have not quite figured it out. If someone could help me chose packages to use it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you -James
RE: Debian
At 11:39 AM 3/11/99 -0500, Person, Roderick wrote: Are you sure your mailing the right list or am I just missing the question. Are you looking for an app to help design badges and pins or are you looking for a Debian logo or something all together different? The way I read it is that he is looking for donations of the actual clothing/uniform. The return for this is that we are able to put the Debian logo onto these uniforms so that Debian is advertised every time one is worn. Sounds reasonable (depending on cost) given the lastest lot of discussion on promoting Debian but no matter what the cost it's still out of my league. Ivan. -Original Message- From:marfe98 [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Thursday, March 11, 1999 11:29 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Debian Good Day. My name is Martin Feldt an I am a study at media and communicatios at the mid-university of Sweden. The students in Sweden has a sort of a national costume, a plain workers overall. The idea is to embellish it with textile badges and pins. The more the better! So my questions to you is if you maybe could give me some. That would be of interest both for you and me, because I would be eternaly greateful and for you because I help you to show your trademark. If that is not possible I thank you for taking the time to read this mail. Best regards Martin Feldt Gronborgsgatan 13:49 852 37 Sundsvall Sweden -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
irq
Hello, A simple question (pardon if this was written for a FAQ, but we are in a hurry to get things done): We need to find where and how to reconfigure IRQ´s We have a conflict between the network card and a BT848 video capture card. Both are not configurable from the startup (no jumpers, not from BIOS). We are using a Dell Optiplex with Debian 2.0 (kernel 2.0.34) Any help, please forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED] A prompt response is highly appreciated. A.Barrera A. Barrera Coordinacion Proyecto Enlace Multimedios [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compaq Prosigna 500
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Fabrizio Polacco wrote: Hi all, anybody has a Compaq Prosigna 500, and can tell me what type of network card is there? that might be Thunderlan NIC module called tlan.o note, that it was included into kernel starting with version 2.0.35, so if you're trying to install hamm (2.0.34 i believe) you have to recompile the kernel regards OK
Re: Installing X to Debian (Continued)
*- On 11 Mar, Robert Aisenberg wrote about Installing X to Debian (Continued) Hi- Me again, no I downloaded Debian 2.0 off the internet I am running Debian on my 386 powerhouse. The reason I did not use dselect is because I have not quite figured it out. If someone could help me chose packages to use it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you -James Read the dselect beginners guide that is on the ftp archives in the disks-i386 directory where you downloaded the floppy disk images. Read all the info screens that dselect presents to you. It is not that hard just a little confusing at first. -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
Re: still no luck with apt-get
Nathan E Norman wrote: I maintain that particular mirror. [snip successful apt output] Could you have a library problem? The problem appears to be with 206.187.92.15 [prompt]$ nslookup http.us.debian.org Server: ns2.mindspring.com Address: 207.69.188.186 Name:http.us.debian.org Addresses: 208.146.80.105, 206.187.92.15, 209.197.224.62, 207.69.194.216 141.213.4.21 I explicitly set the line in /etc/apt/sources.list to each of the addresses in turn and ran 'apt-get update'. Your mirror, Nathan, was OK. In fact, all of them were working fine except for 206.187.92.15 which gave the offending error messages. Does anybody know who runs this mirror? Can we just drop it from the DNS record? Thanks for your help (and all the others who pointed to mirrors) -Mitch
Re: I can't beleive this
snip I just have to get in on this thread ... :) I have no respect for those people. Yes, a computer is a tool. But lets drop in a few other examples. Say... a car. A car is a tool. People don't want to learn, they don't want to have to learn how to drive, they certainly don't want stick shifts. Wait, they don't want to learn how to drive... Well, do you want to be on the road with those people? I don't. Not quite the same thing IMHO :) People don't mind learning to drive - some people will even go the extra mile (/pun) and learn to use a stick shift BUT just to drive a car I don't want to learn to be a panel beater, a painter, a mechanic and etc ... Given the basics I just want to get in and drive and I'm sure other people feel the same way. In a computer context most people want to turn the thing on, plug in a CD and voila - there's an operating system - configured and operating. The hard part after that should ONLY be (IMHO) learning to use the specific application programme. Regardless of the endless denigration of the quality of Windows and MS behomoth, no-one can deny that this above all else has made the computer usable for far more people than would otherwise be the case. Referring to the numerous discussions on popularising Linux in general and Debian in particular I think we should give a lot more respect to the point click mouse jockeys. They outnumber the geeks nerds of this world at a guess by 10 to 1. How about... a tablesaw. A tablesaw is a tool. People don't want to learn, they don't want to have to learn how to configure it, they certainly don't want fine grained control. But, gee, if you don't know how to configure it then, guess what, you lose a few fingers. I'm sure the trauma centers around the world would much prefer these people to learn. See above ... the table saw is a specific application - to use it one doesn't have to know how to build a shed to put it in, grow the trees that provide the wood or even how to assemble the darn thing out of the box. The shed complete with racking and nice doors and windows, electricity, lighting and maybe airconditioning/heating/fans is the operating system. Not my problem. The table saw is an application within that operating system - that's my problem. It doesn't matter if there are drills and lathes and planes that offer me (potentially) far more control over the finished product. The fact that they exist and offer the chance for my crumby bit of backyard work to end up a work of art shouldn't preclude my option to turn out a crumby bit of backyard work. I have been using Linux for almost 12 months (Debian from the start) and enjoy the challenge to a certain extent. But for plain old ease of use and configuration I stick to windows. To be quite honest, the endless fiddling and hacking involved with Linux often gets too much for me. But I understand that it is a volunteer effort and those people are perfectly entitled to code as much or as little as they choose. I'm eternally grateful that they choose to code at all ! We all, I feel, need to bear in mind that Joe Average really does want to sit down, turn on and work right from day 1. Ivan dons asbestos suit Windows in every experience I've had from 3.0 or earlier offers this. Debian/GNU Linux and, for all I know every other distribution, does not offer this. /flame bait. Ivan. So I ask you, what makes a computer, a tool more complex than any other in human history, the only one EXCEPT from training? - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuhErXpf7K2LbpnFEQLaRQCgwKQm1iiut8ywG56X+WnVpr5+7jwAnR4K IRa5YmNU4jRa4zmhPZ54VTui =dZhH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: irq
Ok, one way to do this would be to change the IRQ of NIC. First, do 'cat
/proc/interrupts' to find which IRQs are unused. Then, since your NIC is
on the COM port, you can setserial a different IRQ to it. That can be
done by setserial /dev/ttyS# irq X Where # is the COm port where your NIC
is, and X is the new IRQ. This will take care of the IRQ conflict for
now, until you reboot. After the reboot it will all go back to how it was
before, but to avoid that change the file /etc/rc.boot/0setserial to
include (or change) line:
${SETSERIAL} -b /dev/ttyS# irq 4 skip_test autoconfig
${STD_FLAGS}
HTH,
Andrew
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Re: Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Jameson Burt wrote: A long explanation of the advantages ( problems) with R. On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 08:29:38AM -0600, rich wrote: Hello all, I'm just about to get my doctorate in neuroscience, and I have have several large databases essential for my dissertation. For statistical analysis, I use Statistica for windows, and for graphing my data, I use SigmaPlot for windows. A call to all scientists out there - are there any native X-based programs that are as good as these? Although these programs are excellent, I would rather not trust my dissertation to the OS I have come to call Sir Crash-a-lot... My only other option is to use a windows emulator (like WINE)... I agree the best statistical package is R, but it is best in the same way Debian is the best Linux. R demands some time before you get much a lot from it. It has been called the Maseratti while SAS has been called the Ford. R includes a full programming language. While I use the graphics of R, I am uncertain of how well it makes them for paper copies. You learn to use R use either a 60 page document on R, or a book like Modern Applied Statistics with S-PLUS. Also read the R FAQ http://www.ci.tuwien.ac.at/~hornik/R/R-FAQ.html There is an active mailing list R-help which discusses use of the package. I archive this list at http://www.ens.gu.edu.au/robertk/R/ Robert King, Australian Environmental Studies, Griffith University, Australia 3875 6677 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ens.gu.edu.au/robertk/ This signature project was my last, best hope to seem eloquent. It failed. But in the year of Decency In Communications Act, it became something greater. My last, best hope for satire. The year is 1996. The Place: Babbling On Pine. -- Kyle N. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I can't beleive this
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:40:35 -0500 (EST), Michael Stenner wrote: But it shouldn't be an exclusive or. As time has passed, I have come to respect the people who view computers as tools. They don't want to have to learn, they don't want to have to configure, and they don't want fine-grained control. They just want to run mathematica, or type some documents, etc. I have no respect for those people. Yes, a computer is a tool. But lets drop in a few other examples So I ask you, what makes a computer, a tool more complex than any other in human history, the only one EXCEPT from training? I think that's the point. SHOULD a computer be a tool more complex than any other in human history? Most complex gadgets have become easier to operate with time-- cars, TVs, xerox machines, coffee makers, tape recorders. Computers seem to be the lone exception. Instead they become steadily more powerful-- which is nice-- but also more cumbersome and less intuitive with each new generation of hardware or software release. My favorite example-- it turns out Microsoft Office has about half a meg of sounds-- little .WAV files that go click, sss, eh, ho, ding!, donk! whirr etc at an almost imperceptible volume level as one presses menu keys, saves files, opens directories, and otherwise operates the program. Apparently the Good Folks in Redmon figured no one would be happy in an office unless office- machinery-sounds were in the background. This is not something I would ever have expected to have found in a software package, and I've been using computers since 1964. Should we really expect a housewife in Peoria or llama herder in Peru or economist in Estonia to anticipate such a marvel of functional design (and then to delete the directory with the same alacrity that I did)? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Shupp California State University, Northridge Graduate Student, Dept. of Anthropology http://www.csun.edu/~ms44278/index.htm
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Hi all. I've done this before but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong now. I'm trying to connect to the internet through my NT server. I have WinGate installed on the server just for this purpose. The linux box can ping the server and other computers on the LAN but if I try to upgrade with apt I get error messages saying that it can't connect to WinGate. I have set the export http_proxy=http://wingate:80/ in /etc/profile and root .bashrc but it seems that I previously made a change in the apt source file. Any ideas? TIA Cristov Russell
Re: I can't beleive this
On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 02:40:35PM -0500, Michael Stenner wrote: Re: They are willing to sacrifice fine-grained control for simplicity But it shouldn't be an exclusive or. As time has passed, I have come to respect the people who view computers as tools. They don't want to have to learn, they don't want to have to configure, and they don't want fine-grained control. They just want to run mathematica, or type some documents, etc. This attitude is probably the biggest reason why the computer industry is in it's current deplorable state. Go into just about any computer store and have a look around. The vast majority of the products on the shelves are complete junk. The sales people don't know anything about the products they sell and the writers for most computer magazines know less than your average 15 year old. Most of the Pentium based machines in people's homes today don't even have any L2 cache (this isn't an issue with P2). We're talking about a feature that costs the manufacturer maybe $15 and adds 30% or more to the system's performance. Most newer systems are using a motherboard/case design that is completely incompatable with aftermarket motherboards in order to keep people from upgrading. Most of the bundled printers can't even hold both their color and black ink cartridges at the same time. No one who had even half a clue would buy such a thing and yet these are the most common. Need more examples, how about Win-modems, Win-printers, Win95 etc. Frankly, I don't think the average consumer is qualified to buy a computer in todays market and they sure as hell are not qualified to choose an OS. Now, if we decide that we are not interested in those types of users, that's fine. With a limited amount of resources, we might just decide that we'd rather put the time into other things. Even now Linux makes a pretty nice pre-installed, pre-configured, remotely maintained workstation. We still need to grow a bit more to encourage hardware and software vendors to support us but that's already happening. I think the best that we can do for now is to continue to build a solid yet flexable base that appeals to the best and brightest from those other OS camps. It is neither fair nor reasonable, though, to dismiss them as lazy. It is just not worth the time for some people to read docs or tweek config files when they don't have to. (And they don't with RedHat and Windows... at least, not as much) Windows has become a big, complicated, unstable, unmaintainable mess. I have yet to see a Win95 system that was more 6 months old and still working properly. Sure people still manage to get stuff done but they also spend a lot of time dealing with crashing programs, corrupt registries, lost devices, and new programs breaking old ones. The great thing about Linux is that it is so flexible that it can be used to create very customized simplified systems (from the end user point of view) using whatever harware makes sense for their particular application. -- Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I can't beleive this
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Please note, CCs, unless asked for, are shunned on this list. Thank you. On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 17:20:00 -0800 (PST), mike shupp wrote: I have no respect for those people. Yes, a computer is a tool. But lets drop in a few other examples So I ask you, what makes a computer, a tool more complex than any other in human history, the only one EXCEPT from training? I think that's the point. SHOULD a computer be a tool more complex than any other in human history? No, you misunderstand me. I didn't mean complex to operate I mean its operation is complex. Most complex gadgets have become easier to operate with time-- cars, TVs, xerox machines, coffee makers, tape recorders. Computers seem to be the lone exception. Instead they become steadily more powerful-- which is nice-- but also more cumbersome and less intuitive with each new generation of hardware or software release. I disagree. Computers have gotten much easier to use over time. Only certain facets, oddly enough, those that are supposed to make computers easier have gotten more complex and cumbersome. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuh343pf7K2LbpnFEQLcEACcCVrJZZYm14+FM6z2j+KUw1K4RBMAoMn0 eKsQL5Fm//plg3qJf8M94o5Q =mufN -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: what is SGML? [long]
Marcus Brinkmann wrote: One is TEI, for sure. At least in Linguistic research. Yup, that's it. And I think I said CAL earlier, but it's CALS. Isn't SGML used for databases, too? I think flat-file search-and-retrieval systems work well with the SGML format, and if you need something beyond that you can pour it into a database easily enough. Yeah, here is where DSSSL comes in. DSSSL sounded really cool in that XML book that everyone was reading last year. I hope they kept working on it. The problem is that nice performing DSSSL engines are expensive. The only usable free one is Jade by James Clark. James Clark, the lone programmer who sits on a beach in Thailand or somewhere and hacks brilliant code that is so out there no one can understand it? As opposed to James Clark who founded SGI and Netscape and Healthscape and is building a yacht capable of sailing itself to any destination around the world. Ah, the characters in the computer world. Thanks for your information, it was interesting to read! Likewise! hk
Re: mp3 encoder packaged for debian?
On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 05:50:44AM +, Frankie wrote: I found lame : this is suggested in the docs for cdgrab (although I'd have thought someone would have packaged it because of that, hmm. Lame runs very slow on my P-60, like several hours for an album, but I'll try some others and see which is best) As someone has probably already mentioned, there are patents for mp3 encoding in the US and Germany, making it hard for Debian to distribute them. Adam
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
NO, that was a late Latin thing-- when the Leigons came home from the Frankish territories, they introduced the idea of merde diem, or sh*tty day, the regular Roman couldn't pronounce merde, so it became meri. How's that for folk entymology? :) On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcelo E. Magallon dixit: John Hasler is correct. The point is there is NO 12 am or 12 pm. As he explained, am means 'ante meridiem'. This `meridiem' [ ... ] ¿meridiem? are you sure it's not meridian? or is this the Latin form? I knew I should have never burnt my Latin dictionary... meri diem? Horacio. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
John Goerzen writes: By your logic, 12:01 PM is 12 hours and one minute after noon. Can't be, because PM means in the post meridiem half of the day, and 12 hours and 1 minute after noon is in the ante meridiem half of the next day. Thus it works for those who do not understand zero. The correct notation is 00:01PM. The 24 hour system uses that notation: one writes 00:30 for thirty minutes past midnight, not 24:30. 12:00 PM is noon, because the time switches from AM to PM at noon. Simple, eh? And 12:00PM is midnight, because that is the twelfth hour in the post meridiem half of the day. Nonsensical, of course, but the whole system is buggy. 7PM means the seventh hour in the post meridiem half of the day. 7AM means the seventh hour in the ante meridiem half of the day. 12:00 means either midnight or noon, both of which are boundaries. Digital clocks should never display 12:xx unless the are 24 clocks, in which case they should never display 24:xx. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
Re: still no luck with apt-get
Cute--Debian from Slackware ftp.cdrom.com is the official distributions site for Slackware. If you wanna go to external mirrors, try tsx-11.mit.edu or sunsite.unc.edu--they'll most probably be up and running 100% of the time--mit.edu and unc.edu going down probably means that the entire backbone is down, since they're two of the original backbone nodes. On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Jeff Katcher wrote: Mitch Blevins wrote: snip No, it's not your system. I just checked and ftp1.us.debian.org is just an alias for http.us.debian.org. Also, when I try to update from http.us.debian.org I get errors almost identical to yours... and I am running apt_0.3.0 My best guess would be a mirror problem. Any body know some *working* mirrors to test? try deb ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/linux/debian slink main contrib non-free Ive had some luck with that (SLOW luck, but luck nonetheless;)) Jeff -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a damn. email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrade to 2.2.1 kernel, sound problems
I upgraded to the 2.2.1 kernel (it should be somewhat stable being an even release number) and my AWE 64 sound card now fails to work. I have isapnp installed to configure the soundcard on bootup, that works fine (prints out board id etc...). However when I attempt to use mpg123 to play mp3 files I recieve the following error. Can't open /dev/dsp! However I do have dsp in my device driver dir (/dev/). ls -l /dev/dsp crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 3 May 12 1998 /dev/dsp Can you shed any light on my problem? (I also noticed that the config script for the kernel never asked for io/irq/dma etc.. addresses what's up?) Thanks for your time Mark Panzer
Re: Using crontab to update Debian
snip Quoting Shaleh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On 09-Mar-99 Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira wrote: Hi Debian users, In my country (Brazil) I only have to pay one tax between 0:00 and 6:00 AM independent of call time. I'm start thinking to get my home machine live at night and set crontab to use pon or wvdial (I have two account, one with pon and other with wvdial) and use /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/script_to_upgrade. Am I following the right path to solution? The script will be only: #!/bin/bash apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade ? Have a nice day,Paulo Henrique Yes, except for the fact that the install needs you there to hit enter a few times. Apt says is this correct [Y/n], press enter to continue. The packages scripts may ask you for info as well. You can add the -y switch to your apt-get command to automatically answer yes to all the promts. This would facilitate unattended updates. Be shure to read your logs though to see what got replaced durring the night! I set my system up like this. It has worked _almost_ perfectly (having your dot-files replaced without your knowledge can be anoying). It is nice though to wake up each morning to find that _everything_ on your system is up to date. Two examples of problems I encountered are: 1. One day after some updates gnome stopped working. I never use it anyway so I didn't even try to fix it yet. 2. Another day I went to print a document and couldn't access /dev/lp0. Apt-get had updated the lpr package durring the night and replaced the permissions file with a new one that locked me out. Easy to fix, but an inconvenience. Good luck. - Ben Messinger -- If Micro$oft were a pharmacutical company I would hate to think what they might do to get us to buy more pain medication.
Re: still no luck with apt-get
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, John Galt wrote: : try tsx-11.mit.edu or sunsite.unc.edu--they'll most probably be up and : running 100% of the time--mit.edu and unc.edu going down probably means : that the entire backbone is down, since they're two of the original : backbone nodes. Sorry; there's no such thing as the entire backbone. Today's Internet runs on peering arrangements. -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet 410 South Phillips Avenue Sioux Falls, SD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midco.net finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP Key: (0xA33B86E9)
Re: Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, William Park wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 08:29:38AM -0600, rich wrote: I don't know what kind of statistics you do, but try Octave which is GNU clone of MatLab. For graph, I use Python to analyze the data, and You can use scilab.Scilab is a mathematical analysis and signal processing tool which can do a lot of things.It is available from www-rocq.inria.fr/scilab/ scilab can produce good plots and you can plug it in latex files. You can also use gnuplot for plotting purposes. Look for other packages in sal.kachinatech.org( or .com) Ramakrishnan --- Ramakrishnan M #211 ,Cauvery hostel, Indian Institute of Technology,Madras, Chennai-600 036, INDIA Software is like sex;It's better when it's free -Linus Torvalds ---
please recommend 3d video card
A large electronics/computer store is closing their store where I live and they are having a liquidation sale tommorow. I thought this might be the time to upgrade a few things and would like recomendations on a 3D video card. I only use Linux, so 'WinTendo' performance is a non-issue. Please let me know what you recommend for best Linux support and performance/compatability. Thanks in advance! -Ben -- If Micro$oft were a pharmacutical company I would hate to think what they might do to get us to buy more pain medication.
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
On 10 Mar 1999, John Hasler wrote: If it is 12:00 pm GMT it is 7:00am EST (12 - 5). 12:00 noon, please. 12:00 pm is midnight, as is 12:00 am. Better yet, use 24 hour notation. Timezones are confusing enough without the am-pm nonsense. As I recall learning a LONG time ago, noon is neither 12:00 am or 12:00 pm, it is 12:00 m (for an instant). What was once GMT is now UTC. Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
RE: please recommend 3d video card
On 12-Mar-99 Ben Messinger wrote: A large electronics/computer store is closing their store where I live and they are having a liquidation sale tommorow. I thought this might be the time to upgrade a few things and would like recomendations on a 3D video card. I only use Linux, so 'WinTendo' performance is a non-issue. Please let me know what you recommend for best Linux support and performance/compatability. Thanks in advance! 3d support is near non existant. Dont bother (and if you do not game or do 3d art, you wont care). Now if you just want a nifty 16 mb card to get rid of the cheesy 2 megger you have now, avoid ATi. Riva support is getting good, the Matrox is superb. Voodoo is supported, but binary only (no source is given).
Re: I can't beleive this
On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 08:51:05AM +0800, ivan wrote: In a computer context most people want to turn the thing on, plug in a CD and voila - there's an operating system - configured and operating. These kinds of people really want the system pre-installed and certainly shouldn't be doing upgrades etc. These folks should probably be leasing their computer (preferably something along the lines of an Imac.). Regardless of the endless denigration of the quality of Windows and MS behomoth, no-one can deny that this above all else has made the computer usable for far more people than would otherwise be the case. Long before Windows, secretaries everywhere were using Lotus 123, Wordstar, Word Perfect etc. They wern't geeks, just regular people. Geos and the Mac were both easier than Windows 3.X so I don't think we would be any worse off today if MS hadn't taken over the market. what Referring to the numerous discussions on popularising Linux in general and Debian in particular I think we should give a lot more respect to the point click mouse jockeys. They outnumber the geeks nerds of this world at a guess by 10 to 1. These point click jockeys are the folks that make it more profitable to sell crap than quality products. We all, I feel, need to bear in mind that Joe Average really does want to sit down, turn on and work right from day 1. Ivan dons asbestos suit Windows in every experience I've had from 3.0 or earlier offers this. Problem is that some of us like our systems to keep working after day 1.
Re: Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?
On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 05:26:12PM -0600, rich wrote: I don't know what kind of statistics you do, but try Octave which is GNU clone of MatLab. For graph, I use Python to analyze the data, and PiCTeX to plot and typeset the graph. Yours truly, William Park Actually, I looked at Octave and it doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for (or maybe it is and I just don't know it?)... I need a program that can handle statistical tests such as ANOVAs, ANCOVAs, MRC, t-tests, chi-square... that type of stuff (used mainly for determining statistical differences between groups of subjects)... Can Octave do that stuff? Someone mentioned that SPSS was ported to Linux - this would probably be appropriate (although I really can't stand that program) Thanks again, Rich Try - GNU's software page http://www.gnu.org/software/software.html - Freshmeat http://freshmeat.net/ - ftp file searcher http://filewatcher.org/ - http://SAL.KachinaTech.COM/index.shtml - http://net.indra.com/~sullivan/q10.html
Re: Wierd KDE Library error...?
On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 05:29:19PM -0500, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: I would try re-building your problematic programs from the debianized source. Most of the KDE sources already have a debian directory, so you can simply unpack the source, cd to the directory containing it, and run 'debian/rules build'. This will link with whatever version of Qt you have on your system, so you're less likely to have library version problems. noah I'm having the same problem but I looked in: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/1.1/distribution/deb/hamm/source and ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/1.1/distribution/deb/slink/source and both directories were empty. Where should I be looking? I did manage to get the Qt 1.42 source from Troll and compile it locally but it nothing has changed. Just for the record, I'm getting the same errors as the origional poster. -- Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I can't beleive this
At 10:32 PM 3/11/99 -0700, Ray wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 08:51:05AM +0800, ivan wrote: In a computer context most people want to turn the thing on, plug in a CD and voila - there's an operating system - configured and operating. These kinds of people really want the system pre-installed and certainly shouldn't be doing upgrades etc. These folks should probably be leasing their computer (preferably something along the lines of an Imac.). No argument - but the only way that any Linux distro is going to be offered as an alternative pre-installed O/S is if the installation procedure becomes as simple as Windows. Sure, there is some fine tuning required with Windows installation but the bulk of the work is done for you which makes it quick and easy for the shop technician. At the least (using Hamm) Debian requires an immediate kernel compilation just to get sound (which requires isapnp which requires a knowledge of interrupts etc...), X requires that you know the video card details and smail after 12 months I still haven't got working correctly (probably laziness on my part but still ...). Regardless of the endless denigration of the quality of Windows and MS behomoth, no-one can deny that this above all else has made the computer usable for far more people than would otherwise be the case. Long before Windows, secretaries everywhere were using Lotus 123, Wordstar, Word Perfect etc. They wern't geeks, just regular people. Geos and the Mac were both easier than Windows 3.X so I don't think we would be any worse off today if MS hadn't taken over the market. what Referring to the numerous discussions on popularising Linux in general and Debian in particular I think we should give a lot more respect to the point click mouse jockeys. They outnumber the geeks nerds of this world at a guess by 10 to 1. These point click jockeys are the folks that make it more profitable to sell crap than quality products. I trust we're referring to Windows itself rather than the aftermarket products which I have found are mostly very good. I agree Windows is unstable and _will_ crash but I have never had a Windows crash in less than 3 days uptime. Joe Average will turn his computer off each night which eliminates most of this problem. Sure there are some aftermarket products that are poorly written and cause crashes more frequently but you'd hardly need to be Einstein to work out that everything's fine if you don't use that one application. I've had complete system lockups under Linux as well - gauging from this list I'd say that everyone does experience this from time to time (at least if they ever install any new software at all). Before anybody gets me too wrong - I am _not_ a Windows apologist. But I do think that the programmers within the Linux community could do a lot more to make it easier for mouse jockeys to change allegiance. We all, I feel, need to bear in mind that Joe Average really does want to sit down, turn on and work right from day 1. Ivan dons asbestos suit Windows in every experience I've had from 3.0 or earlier offers this. Problem is that some of us like our systems to keep working after day 1. I don't think that's a problem - that's why I use Linux for important projects :) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Upgrade to 2.2.1 kernel, sound problems
Are you upgrading from a 2.0.x series kernel? If so, there are a number of changes to the way sound is set up -- read the docs in Documentation/sound. Especially if you compiled sound support as a module (which I'm guessing you did since you weren't asked to configure it), it would be a good idea to take a look at README.modules. Hope that helps, Alan Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] I upgraded to the 2.2.1 kernel (it should be somewhat stable being an even release number) and my AWE 64 sound card now fails to work. I have isapnp installed to configure the soundcard on bootup, that works fine (prints out board id etc...). However when I attempt to use mpg123 to play mp3 files I recieve the following error. Can't open /dev/dsp! However I do have dsp in my device driver dir (/dev/). ls -l /dev/dsp crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 3 May 12 1998 /dev/dsp Can you shed any light on my problem? (I also noticed that the config script for the kernel never asked for io/irq/dma etc.. addresses what's up?) Thanks for your time Mark Panzer
filtering and directing email
I use Debian Potato with smail setup to send email over my dial-up ppp connection. I own the domain name relm.net and it's setup so that [EMAIL PROTECTED] comes to me. When a user like `ramiel` logins and and sends email like via mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -s whatever the From field shows [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I want to do is if a person replied to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it will go only to the username ramiel's on my linux box. And all unidentified ones should go to the root account or another one. This way if I give a shell account a friend of mine, he can use it for email and I won't see his email. I currently don't have anything setup to download the email and 'am still using NT 4 with Eudora over IP Masquerading to use email and would like to get this linux email stuff finished so I can completely make the move. Does anyone know if this is possible and what I should read up on for it? Ramiel Givergis, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.relm.net --~~~===[^]===~~~-- This mail is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects.
lilo
Hi, I have got a 4.3GB harddisk, and due to that, lilo cannot see my kernel which is stored outside 1024 cylinders. The following is my configuration file, but I still cannot get it working. AmI missing anything below? Thx. install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map vga=normal disk=/dev/hda bios = 0x80 sectors = 63 heads = 16 cylinders = 8400 root=/dev/hda1 boot=/dev/hda1 image=/vmlinuz append=hd=8400,16,63 label=Linux read-only I also tried the linear option. But it does not work Thx. -- Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _ Department of Communications/ __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |___/ _
Trident 9750/graphics problem
I just recently gave up on a huge fight to configure my Monster Fusion with kernel 2.2.1, having failed to find anything coming remotely close to working with it, and therefore had to fall back on my old trident 9750. Does the SVGA server for Xfree86 support this? I'm aiming for just functionality at this point.
PS/2 mouse problems
I'm currently trying to configure XFree86. It seems to hang up on my PS/2 mouse (generic Artec). Is there anything special I should do besides compiling support into my kernel? It claims there is no mouse when I link to /dev/mouse as well as /dev/psaux.
Re: I can't beleive this
On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 02:39:43PM +0800, ivan wrote: At 10:32 PM 3/11/99 -0700, Ray wrote: These kinds of people really want the system pre-installed and certainly shouldn't be doing upgrades etc. These folks should probably be leasing their computer (preferably something along the lines of an Imac.). No argument - but the only way that any Linux distro is going to be offered as an alternative pre-installed O/S is if the installation procedure becomes as simple as Windows. Sure, there is some fine tuning required with Windows installation but the bulk of the work is done for you which makes it quick and easy for the shop technician. OEMs don't manually install the software on each machine. They either make an image on one machine and clone it onto the others or they use an install script. Red Hat has a really nice tool for automating installs and that is something I'd really like to see on Debian. These point click jockeys are the folks that make it more profitable to sell crap than quality products. I trust we're referring to Windows itself rather than the aftermarket products which I have found are mostly very good. Windows is a good example but I was thinking more of hardware. Have a look at the latest Intel comercials and ask yourself why your internet performance should improve with a PIII. Check out the specs. on the Quantum Bigfoot drives (transfer rates and MTBF) and then ask why so many OEMs bother to use the things(answer: they are dirt cheap). Why did so many of the last generation Pentium machines come with no L2 cache? There are hundreds of other examples from almost every large vendor but what it comes down to is that millions of people are throwing away good money on junk because they simply don't know any better. that everything's fine if you don't use that one application. I've had complete system lockups under Linux as well - gauging from this list I'd say that everyone does experience this from time to time (at least if they ever install any new software at all). I've never had an application lock up Linux. I have had individual programs lock up but everything else just keeps on working. I have had a couple of hardware related problems but in my line of work I accumulate a lot of old hardware and usually try to recycle it. If you think the future of consumer PCs is going to be relitivly simple leased machines then Linux makes a lot of sense. For example it is nearly impossible for a mere user to hose a Linux system so bad that it won't answer the phone and accept a telnet connection. That and the fact that you don't need to re-boot after making changes or adding software means that it's practical to fix just about anything from anywhere in the world so the user doesn't have to be the system admin. -- Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gnome 1.0 debs?
On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 10:37:29AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/10/99 6:44:38 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are there Gnome 1.0 debs yet? I haven't tried Gnome yet. 1.0 seems like the place to start. Ya know, I don't want to offend any of the developers or anything, but I'm curious about something... Why is it that Debian is always the last to get packages for any given product? When KDE came out, rpms were right around the corner. This seems to be an ongoing trend... Is it just because the Debian group is so quality concious? It's a non-technical difference in the way packages are built in these sorts of cases. The Red Hat packages are built by anyone who cares to; they can go on Red Hat's unofficial rpms site no problem. Debian packages on the other hand are usually only built by Debian developers; that is, people who aren't developers don't tend to build debs and upload them; unofficial debs are rare. In the case of KDE, the RPMs were probably built by the KDE team themselves. The debs might be left to the Debian developer, who may or may not be part of the KDE team. Also, it takes a day or so for packages to appear in the archive once they are uploaded. I think the end result is a higher quality product. The lack of unofficial debs is not a shortcoming at all, imho. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 09:00:57AM +1300, Michael Beattie wrote: Agreed... where do these threads come from? lack of linux related problems to stimulate your minds... Sorry, I just read the whole thread with amusement. Anyway, put it this way: Midnight Noon Midnight 12:0012:01AM - 11:59AM 12:00 12:01PM - 11:59PM 12:00 And if there is any problem with that, speak now or ... Noon, defined as in this thread, is then an infinitely short period of time, as somebody has already pointed out. Common usage is that 12:00 PM is noon; 12:00 AM is midnight. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packages at ftp://ftp.rising.com.au/pub/hamish. PGP#EFA6B9D5 CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome. http://hamish.home.ml.org
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
please let this thread DIE! -vinny
Re: ICQ for Linux
If you have slink installed then I suggest using GTKICQ which looks (more or less) identical to the mirabilis version for windoze Seems to work quite nicely for me to talk to people using mirabilis... bye John. Andrei Ivanov wrote: What Linux version of ICQ? Do you mean the java version from Mirabilis or one of the find ICQ clones? I use Licq, but kicq and kxicq are also good ICQ clones for UNIX and Linux. Java version of ICQ is extremely buggy and extremely slow. Clones, on the other hand, are much better. I use micq, it's as advanced as a text-based clone with ncurses can go. Andrew --- Andrei S. Ivanov [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN 12402354 http://members.tripod.com/AnSIv --Little things for Linux. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: auto sorting mail clients
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi ! im looking for a good email client (graphical and non-graphical) w/c can automatically sort out emails like put all mails where either the to: or the cc: fields contain debian-user@lists.debian.org etc etc. seems like there are just too many of them to try out one by one. can anyone suggest something to me and maybe tell me in a few lines why they prefer that client ? I prefer gnus. The reason is that it is shamelessly general and can do almost anything you want, including sorting (I still haven't managed to tell it to get me cup of tea for every message with exactly 395 bytes, but I expect that it were possible if my robotics skills improved). I wouldn't really recommend gnus if you don't program in lisp. -- The only way tcsh rocks is when the rocks are attached to its feet in the deepest part of a very deep lake. (Linus Torvalds) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [-: .elOle. :-] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: auto sorting mail clients
Try procmail, it's very good stuff, and it's independant of your email client , an example of procmailrc : :0: * ^Cc:.*debian.* myEmail/Mailing :0: * ^To:.*debian myEmail/Mailing Put all debian mailing list into myEamil/Mailing mailbox then I use pine for example to read them NP On 11 Mar 1999, Ole J. Tetlie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi ! im looking for a good email client (graphical and non-graphical) w/c can automatically sort out emails like put all mails where either the to: or the cc: fields contain debian-user@lists.debian.org etc etc. seems like there are just too many of them to try out one by one. can anyone suggest something to me and maybe tell me in a few lines why they prefer that client ? I prefer gnus. The reason is that it is shamelessly general and can do almost anything you want, including sorting (I still haven't managed to tell it to get me cup of tea for every message with exactly 395 bytes, but I expect that it were possible if my robotics skills improved). I wouldn't really recommend gnus if you don't program in lisp. -- The only way tcsh rocks is when the rocks are attached to its feet in the deepest part of a very deep lake. (Linus Torvalds) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [-: .elOle. :-] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
XF86Setup prob
Whenever I configure XF86 using Setup, it configures nicely but ends in a blank screen. When I back out of it with ctrl-alt-bs i get a message about not using the correct virtual terminal. Does anyone know what this means?
Re: Upgrade to 2.2.1 kernel, sound problems
Also, there were several updates to the AWE driver (as well as data-corruption fixes) between 2.2.1 and 2.2.3). It might be a good idea to update to the current sources. I don't think there's a .deb version of 2.2.3 on the main debian site yet... but I believe that http://netgod.net/ has the debianized source/image. On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 12:51:38AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you upgrading from a 2.0.x series kernel? If so, there are a number of changes to the way sound is set up -- read the docs in Documentation/sound. Especially if you compiled sound support as a module (which I'm guessing you did since you weren't asked to configure it), it would be a good idea to take a look at README.modules. Hope that helps, Alan Liu [EMAIL PROTECTED] I upgraded to the 2.2.1 kernel (it should be somewhat stable being an even release number) and my AWE 64 sound card now fails to work. I have isapnp installed to configure the soundcard on bootup, that works fine (prints out board id etc...). However when I attempt to use mpg123 to play mp3 files I recieve the following error. Can't open /dev/dsp! However I do have dsp in my device driver dir (/dev/). ls -l /dev/dsp crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 3 May 12 1998 /dev/dsp Can you shed any light on my problem? (I also noticed that the config script for the kernel never asked for io/irq/dma etc.. addresses what's up?) Thanks for your time Mark Panzer
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 09:00:57AM +1300, Michael Beattie wrote: Agreed... where do these threads come from? lack of linux related problems to stimulate your minds... Sorry, I just read the whole thread with amusement. Anyway, put it this way: Midnight Noon Midnight 12:0012:01AM - 11:59AM 12:00 12:01PM - 11:59PM 12:00 And if there is any problem with that, speak now or ... Noon, defined as in this thread, is then an infinitely short period of time, as somebody has already pointed out. Common usage is that 12:00 PM is noon; 12:00 AM is midnight. I'd agree with that. Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) PGP Key available, reply with pgpkey as subject. - Bother, said Pooh, as he heard, Will the Defendant please rise. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out!
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Vincent Murphy wrote: please let this thread DIE! I'd agree with that too. Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) PGP Key available, reply with pgpkey as subject. - If it can't be fixed with Vise-Grips duct tape, it can't be fixed. - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out!
Re: I can't beleive this
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 01:29:50 -0700, Ray wrote: hundreds of other examples from almost every large vendor but what it comes down to is that millions of people are throwing away good money on junk because they simply don't know any better. Name me a market where that isn't the case? Computers, also, aren't the only one where the mass marketed crap overtakes the technologically superior. Beta, anyone? I mean, look at all of the car manufacturers. America, right now, is buying mostly SUVs and pickup trucks. Most of these people will never see anything *but* pavement, won't haul anything worth mentioning, and are throwing away money on what is, in essence, utter crap for the task at hand. That task is getting from point A to point B on nearly 100% paved surfaces. Got kids, get a minivan, better cargo capacity. Don't got kids, get a semi-sports car since they were designed with performance on paved surfaces in mind. However, even in that market we're seeing the mass marketed crap taking over compared to those who want something designed for the task at hand. Aside from the Mustang, the Camero, and the Eclipse, how many real sports cars are out there? RX7, MX3, MX6... I think the Nissan 300Z is gone. But, hey, LEXUS has a luxery SUV out. Lexus. Luxery, Utility Vehicle. I don't get it, I really don't. :/ I've never had an application lock up Linux. I have had individual programs lock up but everything else just keeps on working. I have had a couple of hardware related problems but in my line of work I accumulate a lot of old hardware and usually try to recycle it. I've never seen an application lock Linux in the 3+ years I've run it. I've only seen one application kill FreeBSD in the same 3+ years I've been working at my ISP, and that was because of a known NFS bug in FreeBSD itself. Everything else was hardware related. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNuj31npf7K2LbpnFEQIMJgCgw4xkhVCnI/7akKOZegk8QrTWjWoAoOAU I06FvBvspvoSBAShmE8Scs07 =HxZ5 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
At 10:19 PM 3/11/99 -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: On 10 Mar 1999, John Hasler wrote: If it is 12:00 pm GMT it is 7:00am EST (12 - 5). 12:00 noon, please. 12:00 pm is midnight, as is 12:00 am. Better yet, use 24 hour notation. Timezones are confusing enough without the am-pm nonsense. As I recall learning a LONG time ago, noon is neither 12:00 am or 12:00 pm, it is 12:00 m (for an instant). NO NO NO! By definition, noon is 12pm and midnight is 12am
Re: help me to undertand GMT time!!!!
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Vincent Murphy wrote: please let this thread DIE! I'd agree with that too. Yeah, let it die! Anyone agreeing with this? :) Eric -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054
Re: Upgrade to 2.2.1 kernel, sound problems
Hi, On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 05:32:04AM +0100, Mark Panzer wrote: I upgraded to the 2.2.1 kernel (it should be somewhat stable being an even release number) and my AWE 64 sound card now fails to work. I have isapnp installed to configure the soundcard on bootup, that works fine (prints out board id etc...). However when I attempt to use mpg123 to play mp3 files I recieve the following error. Can't open /dev/dsp! I had the same problem. I compiled sound support as modules, so I need to specify io,irq,dma and dma16 parameters when the modules are loaded. Without specifying dma16 I could use bplay, the mixer worked, but mpg123 was not able to play. Providing dma16 solved the problem for me. HTH Antal
HP deskjet 695c
I have been recommended this printer (HP dj 695c). However, the vendor does not know about linux support. He claims that it is the same printer as the 690C (which is listed as supported ing the linux hardware howto), just with a restyled casing. Does anyone know if this printer will work with debian? Cheers Rich
Re: I can't believe this
In regard to debian's install being difficult for newbies, there seems a simple solution. At the beginning of the install process have a menu that asks what competency level the user is. (beginner, intermediate, advanced) Then have an install procedure suitable for that level. Some menus could ask questions of the beginning user and a recommended basic system could be installed and configured. Let the system automaticly setup partions, config ppp, setup xwindows, and some Office apps. I know there will be some arguments about what a basic system should be. Still all in all, this does not seem as if it would be that hard to do. For the record, my former school gave us shell accounts on solaris. For tech support I got a sheet of paper with about 25 unix commands on it. Being lazy I installed 4dos on my home pc and aliased the dos commands the unix ones. They became familiar more quickly that way. One day I found Debian on the net. I downloaded 0.93 and have been happy with Debian ever since. Debian Gnu/Linux is just not as hard as people believe. Tom
C Program confused me
Hello Friends,
I encountered following program in one of the Linux Howtos. This calculates
the value of pai. But how does it do this? I am not asking the programming
details, but on what theory the formula is based on. Can anybody help? Is
there any better place to look for help?
---
#include stdlib.h;
#include stdio.h;
main(int argc, char **argv)
{
register double width, sum;
register int intervals, i;
/* get the number of intervals */
intervals = atoi(argv[1]);
width = 1.0 / intervals;
/* do the computation */
sum = 0;
for (i=0; iintervals; ++i) {
register double x = (i + 0.5) * width;
sum += 4.0 / (1.0 + x * x);
}
sum *= width;
printf(Estimation of pi is %f\n, sum);
return(0);
}
Re: Vote Linus for Person of the Century
George Bonser wrote: Don't even think Linus should BE the person of the century. That honor probably goes to Thomas Edison. We owe our current culture and style of living to that guy. His experiments with his lightbulb led to the discovery of the Edison effect which led DeForest to do some more experiments which led to the Vacuum Tube which led to the Transistor, which lead to the IC Chip. Not only was Edison's work responsible for laying the ground work for radio and television, he also played vital roles in bringing motion pictures and recorded music to the public. If I was going to vote for anyone from a technological field, my vote would go to Tesla. Edison was an exploiter of other people's work and in invetrate political game-player when it came to suppressing other technologies than the ones that he had the rights to. But I, myself, am going to vote for Gandhi. The world is larger than the United States, and his example is the one that has impressed me most. If we're talking pure *impact* value, of course, it's hard to go past Lenin/Stalin, Mao and Hitler ali.
Re: C Program confused me
I encountered following program in one of the Linux Howtos. This calculates the value of pai. But how does it do this? I am not asking the programming details, but on what theory the formula is based on. Can anybody help? Is there any better place to look for help? First of all, remove ';' after #include instructions :) The formula is: 4* Integral(from 0 to 1) of 1/(1+x^2) dx = 4 * (arctan(1) - arctan(0))= 4* ( Pi/4 - 0) = Pi Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ +---+ | _ 7 |Alexander Yukhimets| \()| http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | / \ \ +---+
Re: HP deskjet 695c
This link should help, http://gatekeeper.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/printer_list.cgi Good Luck, Kent Richard Harran wrote: I have been recommended this printer (HP dj 695c). However, the vendor does not know about linux support. He claims that it is the same printer as the 690C (which is listed as supported ing the linux hardware howto), just with a restyled casing. Does anyone know if this printer will work with debian? Cheers Rich -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: HP deskjet 695c
Hmmm, I guess not, I don't see the printer listed there. Maybe you could add it to the list when you find out. Kent ktb wrote: This link should help, http://gatekeeper.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/printer_list.cgi Good Luck, Kent Richard Harran wrote: I have been recommended this printer (HP dj 695c). However, the vendor does not know about linux support. He claims that it is the same printer as the 690C (which is listed as supported ing the linux hardware howto), just with a restyled casing. Does anyone know if this printer will work with debian? Cheers Rich -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: C Program confused me
It is a well known fact in Mathematics that Pi is 4*arctan(1). arctan(x)
is the integral from 0 to x of (1/(1+x*x)) or, if you're not
mathematically inclined, it is the area between the x axis and 1/(1+x*x)
and between the y-axis and x. So, the for loop is simulating this
integration. Of course, the better way to do this is to do a Taylor
expansion of arctan.
JDM
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Bal K. Paudyal wrote:
Hello Friends,
I encountered following program in one of the Linux Howtos. This calculates
the value of pai. But how does it do this? I am not asking the programming
details, but on what theory the formula is based on. Can anybody help? Is
there any better place to look for help?
---
#include stdlib.h;
#include stdio.h;
main(int argc, char **argv)
{
register double width, sum;
register int intervals, i;
/* get the number of intervals */
intervals = atoi(argv[1]);
width = 1.0 / intervals;
/* do the computation */
sum = 0;
for (i=0; iintervals; ++i) {
register double x = (i + 0.5) * width;
sum += 4.0 / (1.0 + x * x);
}
sum *= width;
printf(Estimation of pi is %f\n, sum);
return(0);
}
--
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Off topic posts (OFF TOPIC)
Please, people, is there a debian-political mailing list where posts that don't specifically relate to *using* debian could be directed? Threads that mainly consist of pointless pedantry or marketing schemes could be profitably removed from this already high volume mailing list, IMNSHO. ali. :)
RE: HP deskjet 695c
HP670C and HP690C printers use HPPCL3 language: http://www.pandi.hp.com/pandi-db/dds_data_sheet.show?p_model_no=C5884Ap_mod el=DeskJet690C the new remplacement products are HP695C and HP697C: http://www.pandi.hp.com/pandi-db/dds_obsolete.obsolete_list?p_pgrp_name=#Pri nters They use HPPCL3 too: http://www.pandi.hp.com/pandi-db/dds_data_sheet.show?p_model_no=C4562Bp_mod el=DeskJet695C I guess you won't have any problem with this printer. Mathieu Legrand. -Original Message- From: ktb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vendredi 12 mars 1999 15:00 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: HP deskjet 695c Hmmm, I guess not, I don't see the printer listed there. Maybe you could add it to the list when you find out. Kent ktb wrote: This link should help, http://gatekeeper.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/printer_list.cgi Good Luck, Kent Richard Harran wrote: I have been recommended this printer (HP dj 695c). However, the vendor does not know about linux support. He claims that it is the same printer as the 690C (which is listed as supported ing the linux hardware howto), just with a restyled casing. Does anyone know if this printer will work with debian? Cheers Rich
Re: Wierd KDE Library error...?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/1.1/distribution/deb/hamm/source and ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/1.1/distribution/deb/slink/source and both directories were empty. Where should I be looking? I did manage to get the Qt 1.42 source from Troll and compile it locally but it nothing has changed. Just for the record, I'm getting the same errors as the origional poster. Just grab the source tar.gz from the tgz package tree (as in, not in the Debian section on the ftp site at all). THe KDE sources already include the debian directory by default; there's not patching necessary or anything. noah PGP public key available at http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/n/nmeyerha/mail.html or by 'finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED]' This message was composed in a 100% Microsoft free environment. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNukoeYdCcpBjGWoFAQFzcwQAvjiryU6q9Dqfbt1EVIHH4lgMc5qIyn18 fjDLRz54D/LAP35w4EZFSYFiSZd78PAlVDcsxa2aH7N0rq5cUvTYDgumurqo0D2V fxrfIl7YYczjTFLvN8ey/AmN52Ew8gjIdU9joRZKuKBaZ/DZhUP6HwPg8Qpb29Yz MGjexi8It+c= =CXFf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
fetchmail and ssh
Hi fetchmail/ssh guru's, I connect to work with a ppp session from my Debian/GNU Linux box (running potato), and need to fetch my mail from my mail-server there (named harpo; running SunOS 4.1) using IMAP. Previously I have had this working like so: /usr/bin/fetchmail --invisible --syslog --daemon 250 --timeout 90 \ --interface ppp0/150.101.132.131 --silent \ --mda /usr/bin/procmail -Yf- -d %s \ --folder /users/phil/.mail/home-xfer \ harpo I run this and then enter my password for my account at work when asked for it. Now I want to extend this to use ssh, without any passphrase, so that I can start fetchmail from an ip-up.d script, and avoid having to enter any passwords at all. I can now do `ssh harpo', and connect successfully. After reading the POP3 example in the fetchmail man-pages, I tried it like this: /usr/bin/fetchmail --invisible --syslog --daemon 250 --timeout 90 \ --silent --mda /usr/bin/procmail -Yf- -d %s \ --folder /users/phil/.mail/home-xfer --verbose harpo With this `~/.fetchmailrc' file: poll harpo via localhost port 1234 with protocol imap preconnect ssh -f -L 1234:harpo:143 harpo sleep 20 /dev/null /dev/null; However, there are two problems: (1) I'm still prompted for a password, and (2) I get this error: 4.7.6 querying harpo (protocol IMAP) at Sat Mar 13 01:14:35 1999 socket error while fetching from harpo Query status=2 fetchmail: sleeping at Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:14:40 +1030 (CST) Can anyone suggest what I can do to get this going? TIA, -- Phil.
Re: I can't beleive this
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Steve Lamb wrote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:40:35 -0500 (EST), Michael Stenner wrote:
But it shouldn't be an exclusive or. As time has passed, I have come
to respect the people who view computers as tools. They don't want to
have to learn, they don't want to have to configure, and they don't want
fine-grained control. They just want to run mathematica, or type some
documents, etc.
I have no respect for those people. Yes, a computer is a tool. But
lets drop in a few other examples.
Say... a car. A car is a tool. People don't want to learn, they don't
want to have to learn how to drive, they certainly don't want stick shifts.
Wait, they don't want to learn how to drive... Well, do you want to be on
the road with those people? I don't.
How about... a tablesaw. A tablesaw is a tool. People don't want to
learn, they don't want to have to learn how to configure it, they certainly
don't want fine grained control. But, gee, if you don't know how to
configure it then, guess what, you lose a few fingers. I'm sure the trauma
centers around the world would much prefer these people to learn.
These are safety issues. I am all for users being educated in computer
related safety issues, like hmmm... can't think of any.
Take the old physicist down the hall... he has this great new thing for
numerical integration. It makes many things possible that just weren't
before. Why should he give a *^% about IRQs, printcaps, I/O addresses,
kernel modules, monitor hsync, or ipmasks?
1) safety? No.
2) so he doesn't get ripped off on crappy stuff? No. there are plenty
of good sources (friends, consumer reports, etc.) for answering this
UNAVOIDABLE question.
3) because he has to? certainly not. Win95 (and to a lesser extent,
RedHat) will take care of all of these things for him. Sure, there are
tradeoffs, but it's a reasonable one for him. After all, he just wants
to do some integrals. He doesn't really care if he has to reboot
occasionally.
So, why do you have no respect for this guy? He's not likely to hurt
any little kids with his ignorance. Must everyone be interested in the
inner workings of computers to earn your respect?
Others have said that you cannot have this automation and power. I
don't see why there cannot (physically) be two installation programs.
Choose which one to run at the beginning. One autodetects things and
makes assumptions about what you want, the other gives you
fine-grained control. Now if you guys in on the development say it's
impossible, and we've got to go one route or the other, i'll defer to
your judgement. But
\begin{point}
I'm getting really tired of us sitting around and insulting people who
don't have the same _interests_ that we do. That's just about as snobby
and pious as it gets.
\end{point}
-Michael
P.S.
(trailing off now...)
Why do people thing that windows is pure badness? You will have a hard
time convincing me that it's impossibe to have a system which DOES
autodetect my ethernet card install drivers, but DOES NOT crash all
the time. Whenever I point out that windows does something cool,
everybody lashes back that it's a pile of crap. I couldn't agree more,
but it still does some cool stuff.
I think they've got a good programmer chained in the basement or
something...
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ergonomics question ($TERM colors)
Aside from personal preference, does anyone know if a certain combination of colors is better to stare at than others? I can guess, from my own experience, that white text on a black background is better than black on white. Does anybody have any input on this? I would like to use the one that is best on my eyes since I stare at computer screens for ~12hrs a day. TIA. -Ian __ Ian Setford [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP = F2 92 50 E3 CD D7 A2 D9 C4 CE 08 A6 98 E0 0F 58
Problems with .tar file
Hello, I write from Spain and I'm novice in Linux World. I have a problem processing .tar file. When I write command tar xvf file.tar to extract the file qt-1_42_tar.tar, then computer return then next error message: tar: Hmm, this doesn`t look like a tar file tar: Skipping to next file header tar: Skipping to next file header tar: Only read 1285 bytes from archive qt-1_42_tar.tar tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now Please help me and sorry by my bad English. Regards
Problems with .tar file
Hello, I write from Spain and I'm novice in Linux World. I have a problem processing .tar file. When I write command tar xvf file.tar to extract the file qt-1_42_tar.tar, then computer return then next error message: tar: Hmm, this doesn`t look like a tar file tar: Skipping to next file header tar: Skipping to next file header tar: Only read 1285 bytes from archive qt-1_42_tar.tar tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now Please help me and sorry by my bad English. Regards
Re: ergonomics question ($TERM colors)
On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Ian Keith Setford wrote: Aside from personal preference, does anyone know if a certain combination of colors is better to stare at than others? I can guess, from my own experience, that white text on a black background is better than black on white. Does anybody have any input on this? I would like to use the one that is best on my eyes since I stare at computer screens for ~12hrs a day. As I recall, a long time ago (by computer standards), WordPerfect Corp. did a lot of research on this before releasing WordPerfect 5.1. Since 5.1 was finally released with a default of white-on-blue, I would venture to guess that this is what they decided was easiest on the eyes. HTH. -Dano
cdu33a
I have a soundblaster 16 card along with a sony cd (cdu33a) with a Creative Labs front. I need to know how to get Linux to read it. In my Dos system, the address for sb16 was 220 and the cd-rom was 230. Can you tell me how to do this? Thanks, Keith Richards
Re: Problems with .tar file
Hello, I write from Spain and I'm novice in Linux World. I have a problem processing .tar file. When I write command tar xvf file.tar to extract the file qt-1_42_tar.tar, then computer return then next error message: tar: Hmm, this doesn`t look like a tar file tar: Skipping to next file header tar: Skipping to next file header tar: Only read 1285 bytes from archive qt-1_42_tar.tar tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now The problem is that tar does not recognize it as a tar file. Try file qt-1_42_tar.tar to see what type of file it really is. Maybe it is a gzipped tar file, in which case you need to use `tar xzvf qt-1_42_tar.tar'. Another possibility is that you downloaded it in text mode instead of binary mode. In that case you need to download it again. HTH, Eric Meijer -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | tel. office +31 40 2472189 Eindhoven Univ. of Technology | tel. lab. +31 40 2475032 Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (TAK) | tel. fax+31 40 2455054
Re: network help
Following your suggestion I pinged my gateway by IP rsther than name. The thing hang after printing a line. So maybe what you say about the card not working correctly is right. I was wondering: Win98 has no problem with recognizing and using the card. Why should Linux ? As this is not my computer tha card is there to stay. Additonally I would like to use the box as a server for math application to be accessed through telnet only . So I need to be sure that the card is the problem and if so remove Deibian Do you know any methods that can tell me fpor certain that the card is to blame ? Thanks again for your help George On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Paul Miller wrote: G. Kapetanios wrote: Thanks for the reply ifconfig gives the followng loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Bcast:127.255.255.255 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP BROADCAST LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:3584 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Collisions:0 eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:00:E8:CC:28:7D inet addr:194.81.117.61 Bcast:194.81.117.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 Collisions:0 Interrupt:3 Base address:0x300 route -n gives Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 194.81.117.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 01 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo 0.0.0.0 194.81.117.10.0.0.0 UG1 01 eth0 Notice that 194.81.117.1 is the gateway I have given in the configuration This info looks fine to me. dmesg gives the following network card related info. loading device 'eth0'... ne.c:v1.10 9/23/94 Donald Becker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) NE*000 ethercard probe at 0x300: 00 00 e8 cc 28 7d eth0: NE2000 found at 0x300, using IRQ 3. loading device 'eth1'... Now why does it say loading device eth1? I have no clue. Hmmm... It seems to me that the card is correctly detected the problem is with the gateway I guess since route (not route -n) hangs Just for grins try pinging 194.81.117.1. Do not use the host name. Use the IP address. Does it still give you problems? If it does not, you should take a look at /etc/resolve.conf and make sure you have your DNS server listed there. The reason why route hangs is because your machine cannot find a host name for the IP address of your gateway. If you cannot ping an IP address, the network card might not be workign right. It could be a bad network cable or wall jack. Hope this helps -- Paul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- George Kapetanios Churchill College Cambridge, CB3 0DSE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] U.K. WWW: http://garfield.chu.cam.ac.uk/~gk205/work_info.html ---
true type fonts
Okay, so I've installed xfstt - the true type font server. The package says it doesn't contain any fonts, and I can't find a package of them via dselect. Can anyone point me to the true type fonts package(s)? TIA, Jay
Is slink done?
So, now that slink is marked as stable, does this mean that it will never be updated again? I'm confused about new packages - do they get added to existing releases or only to unstable ones? Reason I'm asking? I want to make a debian CD. -Jay
Re: true type fonts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 12 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, so I've installed xfstt - the true type font server. The package says it doesn't contain any fonts, and I can't find a package of them via dselect. Can anyone point me to the true type fonts package(s)? First of all, make sure you've got the xfstt from slink, not hamm. The hamm version is basically broken. Second, there are no TrueType fonts distributed with Debian. You'll need to search for them on the web, or copy them over from a Windows machine (I dont' remember where you can find the fonts in Windows, or what their name extension is...). noah PGP public key available at http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/n/nmeyerha/mail.html or by 'finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED]' This message was composed in a 100% Microsoft free environment. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNulDXYdCcpBjGWoFAQHDqQP9GWF60kHrmwiGcn1DJ8JfROFMLX1vs0hP slsAS6TnI6HSSNPwh/qp0ttq7Z1B3oOBHQfQovxvP4gb7uWeE0OsUdDeB7Jro+J2 Eqnqxc1tCyUm56ko2ZG+z+oELGph+BiPB1j1VyLfOWDoQO9xLMWFuIUwu7E5HuZW 4AlrrN4udt0= =Q9gf -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: Is slink done?
On 12-Mar-99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, now that slink is marked as stable, does this mean that it will never be updated again? I'm confused about new packages - do they get added to existing releases or only to unstable ones? Reason I'm asking? I want to make a debian CD. Once released, only absolutly necessary updates are made, i.e security issues. All new packages go into unstable (currently potato).
Re: Is slink done?
On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 11:33:41 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, now that slink is marked as stable, does this mean that it will never be updated again? No. Updates to stable can happen, e.g. in the case of security issues. I'm confused about new packages - do they get added to existing releases or only to unstable ones? New packages only go into unstable (or project/experimental). HTH, Ray -- J.H.M. Dassen | RUMOUR Believe all you hear. Your world may [EMAIL PROTECTED] | not be a better one than the one the blocks | live in but it'll be a sight more vivid. | - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
RE: true type fonts
On 12-Mar-99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, so I've installed xfstt - the true type font server. The package says it doesn't contain any fonts, and I can't find a package of them via dselect. Can anyone point me to the true type fonts package(s)? There is no ttf package. Most of them have license issues.
Re: Problems with .tar file
Jose Luis Guerra dixit: Hello, I write from Spain and I'm novice in Linux World. I have a problem processing .tar file. When I write command tar xvf file.tar to extract the file qt-1_42_tar.tar, then computer return then next error message: tar: Hmm, this doesn`t look like a tar file tar: Skipping to next file header tar: Skipping to next file header tar: Only read 1285 bytes from archive qt-1_42_tar.tar tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now I think it should be qt-1_42.tar (or qt-1.42.tar), not qt-1_42_tar.tar. Try renaming it ^^ ^ ^ If this doesn't work, may be it's a .tar.gz, rename it to qt-1.42.tar.gz, and try: `tar zxvvf qt-1.42.tar.gz' Please help me and sorry by my bad English. Regards Si tienes problemas con el inglés, puedes subscribirte a la lista de debian en castellano. Envía un mensaje a: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org y en el cuerpo del mensaje (no en Asunto:) subscribe Hasta la vista, Horacio.
file permissions while FTP-ing not right
Using slink, apache, proftpd. When I ftp files to my /var/www directory, they get the default file permissions of: -rw-r- I would like them to be: -rw-r--r-- How do I change this as default? Is it something in the proftpd package? Apache? Debian? The specific user? Thanks, Brian Brian Morganhttp://brian.greenville.edu Computer Support Specialist [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM Mobile Systems Support 618.664.2800 ext. 4241 Greenville College IT Dept. 618.338.4963 - pager __ Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes.
RE: Is slink done?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Shaleh wrote: Once released, only absolutly necessary updates are made, i.e security issues. All new packages go into unstable (currently potato). I am curious: What if a security problem is found with the kernel that ships with, for example, slink, and the problem is only fixed in the 2.2.x kernel series. You can't simply add a new kernel package to slink to fix the bug, because kernel 2.2.x breaks some of the other packages included with slink. What happens in this case? Are those packages upgraded too? noah PGP public key available at http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/n/nmeyerha/mail.html or by 'finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED]' This message was composed in a 100% Microsoft free environment. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNulFlYdCcpBjGWoFAQFM9gQAirXPhNckobe6zxttuTdp0WAknnQn87x9 9Ny+LArDTc+FrlqvURvoF7KOEp7YM1T57n05SiOV/xxWI19+krYzPXNWBZHt+XaR yJEnnXmFuvJibkUNFHOYWG4zrov7kwY2QtAnHSyQPS0n6HcnPjF5mFcEf6OpWxUs O/fCUkoVl4U= =Nemc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: Is slink done?
On 12-Mar-99 Noah L. Meyerhans wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Shaleh wrote: Once released, only absolutly necessary updates are made, i.e security issues. All new packages go into unstable (currently potato). I am curious: What if a security problem is found with the kernel that ships with, for example, slink, and the problem is only fixed in the 2.2.x kernel series. You can't simply add a new kernel package to slink to fix the bug, because kernel 2.2.x breaks some of the other packages included with slink. What happens in this case? Are those packages upgraded too? Has not happened yet. Alan Cox is pretty good about keeping older kernels happy. There is a 2.0.37 due soon for instance. Find out when it happens. We may just say time to upgrade.
