latin2, xterm, rxvt, bitchx

2001-05-19 Thread Tomasz Olszewski
Przede wszystkim: czy mógłby mnie ktoś oświecić dlaczego niektóre
czcionki (np.: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2) w
rxvt wyświetlają się bez ramek, podczas gdy w xtermie nie ma takiego
problemu? Czcionka o rozmiarze 140 również w rxvt wygląda prawidłowo, co
dziwi tym bardziej.
Przekompilowałem BitchX tak, aby wyświetlał polskie literki (tzn. w
include/config.h #undef LATIN1 i #define CHARSET_CUSTOM). Od tej pory
ogonki widać, występuje jednak zjawisko zamiany niektórych znaków na
inne, np.: każda linijka zawierająca coś innego niż wypowiedź powinna
zaczynać się od '-:-'. Znaki te uległy zamianie na: 'ůíů'. Powiedzmy, że
z tym można się pogodzić. Jednak problem sprawia bitchx uruchomiony w
xtermie. Tam znacznie więcej znaków wyświetlanych jest źle, np. '@'
przechodzi w znakch paragrafu, '[' w 'A' z umlautem. Taki stan utrzymuje
się również po opuszczeniu BitchX-a. W rxvt i na konsoli tekstowej
problem ten nie występuje.

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Re: Poca memoria baja en BIOS

2001-05-19 Thread Miguel Angel
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 03:25:11AM +0200, Luis M. García wrote:
 No estoy muy seguro de esto, pero tal vez en la configuración de la BIOS 
 se pueda tocar algo...

Que va, en esa BIOS se pueden pocas cosas, y la memoria baja
no es configurable. Supongo que podría conseguir tener 640KB
de memoria baja  cambiando  la memoria,  pero sería una gran
faena tener que cambiar  64M  de RAM. Sobretodo porque no se
puede (falta de $$$). Tras toda la noche compilando (máquina
lenta) tengo un  kenrel 2.2.19 en una bzImage de sólo 408KB,
¿cómo me hago un  disquete de arranque con este kernel y sus
módulos? bueno,  y en caso de tener el supuesto  disquete de
arranque ¿podrá cargarse en sólo  512KB de memoría baja o se
encontrará con  problemas de que no carga el  lilo (cosa que
está pasando en el HD)?

Gracias de nuevo.

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source.list

2001-05-19 Thread Esteban Aguilera
Hola gente 


alguien me puede pasar las entradas que tiene en su sourcelist
porfavor que tambien indique para hacer la descarga del kde2
que sea todo estable.



muchas gracias



[OT]-¿Como configurar un firewall?

2001-05-19 Thread Jorge González
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Buenas a todos:

Me gustaría configurar un firewall por probar cosas nuevas (y poner un 
poquito de seguridad) ;-)

Me he leido el Cortafuegos-Como pero creo que me dieron pocos petit-suis 
(como se diga) y no termino de entender el concepto.

¿Me podríais dirigir a algun sitio donde pueda enterarme bien de todo este 
mogollón?.

Algo así como un tutorial o FAQ para principiantes (principiantes en 
firewall's se entiende) y a ser posible en castellano. 

Uso Potato con kernel 2.2.18.pre21 (no consigo poner a punto el 2.4, que 
fastidio). Lo digo porque ya he visto que segun el kernel se utiliza opciones 
diferentes (IPchains 2.2 e IPtables 2.4, bueno, creo que no era así 
precisamente).

Muchas gracias.

Hasta luego.

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tarjeta de red ISA

2001-05-19 Thread David Ubeda
Hola, tengo una tarjeta de red 10/100  ISA que me venia con un server de
2ª mano,
y la verdad es que no tengo ni puñetera idea de que marca es, y no hay
manera de configurarla para debian, porque no se que modulo del kernel es.

Si os ayuda, tiene dos entradas o salidas de rj45, parece antigua, y os
pongo lo que veo en algunos integrados que lleva la placa:

-Sdt 7025 S35JAA X9511S
-Cirrus Logic CL-cd0003-08PC-B
-NG82355/SZ575 L5142430 INTEL
-AM 29C668-IJC 9502 FPA
-3600163

He buscado algun modulo que se le parezca, pero la verdad es que no he
visto ninguno ...

Si sabeis algo, aunque sea la configuracion para otra ISA o simplemente si
existe algun standard de tarjetas de red ISA ...

Venga gracias 

Salu2 Ubeda

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feel free to ignore you.

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Re: tarjeta de red ISA

2001-05-19 Thread Christoph Simon
On Sat, 19 May 2001 18:47:56 +0200 (CEST)
David Ubeda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hola, tengo una tarjeta de red 10/100  ISA que me venia con un server de
 2ª mano,
 y la verdad es que no tengo ni puñetera idea de que marca es, y no hay
 manera de configurarla para debian, porque no se que modulo del kernel es.
 
 Si os ayuda, tiene dos entradas o salidas de rj45, parece antigua, y os
 pongo lo que veo en algunos integrados que lleva la placa:
 
 -Sdt 7025 S35JAA X9511S
 -Cirrus Logic CL-cd0003-08PC-B
 -NG82355/SZ575 L5142430 INTEL
 -AM 29C668-IJC 9502 FPA
 -3600163

Usa pnpdump para determinar que tipo de tarjeta es. Adivinando a lo
salvaje, yo lo intentaría como si fuera una compatible con NE2000.

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Re: gnome, para que el root entre directamente

2001-05-19 Thread Jorge González
El Vie 18 May 2001 21:08, fitero_ko escribió:
 Hola a todos:

 Hola a todos, es la segunda vez que me instalo debian, y necesito una poca
 de ayuda, escribo para saber si alguiene me puede decir que teno que hacer
 para que ROOT entre directamente al GNOME.

 Yo lo que estoy intentando hacer es crear un archivo con este contenido:
 exec gnome-sesison , este archivo lo llamo .xinitec, pero ¿done de lo
 guardo?

El fichero en cuestión se llama .xinitrc (tal cual, en minusculas) y le 
tienes que meter en tu home (/root, en este caso).

En el puedes meter las líneas que quieras. Yo tengo estas:

# exec gnome-session
# exec wmaker
# exec afterstep (creo que funciona, no lo he probado, me parece)
startkde

El procedimiento es:

Cuando quiero arrancar gnome en vez de kde comento la línea de startkde y 
descomento la de exec gnome-session.

Así de facil.

Saludos.



Programa de contabilidad profesional para fiscalista

2001-05-19 Thread MaX in the FaX
hola mundo!

me han pendido un consello para comprar un programa de contabilidad 
profesional, con suporte técnico, bajo Unix (linux mejor).

el precio no es un problema, pero la calidad, la localización en castellano, 
el suporte técnicosi!

alguien sabe decirme algo?

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Re: Sound Blaster Live en Debian Potato

2001-05-19 Thread José Esteban
Hola.

El driver se llama emu10k1. Creo recordar que venía con la distribución,
aunque tb. sé que en otra ocasión lo encontré en una web de la compañía
que no recuerdo cómo se llama y que no es la 'normal'.

Lo primero, prueba con modconf, en misc, emu10k1. Yo es que ya he pasado
a woody y ahí lo tengo, pero no sé si ya lo tenía con potato o lo instalé
por mi cuenta.

Saludos.

El mar, 05/15/01 may 01, a las 04:19, Guillermo A. de la Hoz decía:
 ¿Alguien sabe como configuar mi tarjeta de sonido Sound Blaster Live 1024 con 
 mi distribución Debian Potato?
 Si me lo podeis explicar en plan sencillo, pues soy muy nuevo en Linux. 
 Gracias

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BBS???

2001-05-19 Thread Angel Parra
Hola!!

A ver si me explico, porque creo que la respuesta es de lo mas
simple,... Creo que muchos de vosotros recordareis las famosas BBS, pues
eso mismo necesito. Alguien sabe de algun pequeño programa servidor bajo
linux que me permita subir o bajar ficheros de forma facil desde un
hiperterminal de Windows ... ya se que es algo que no se usa mucho hoy
en dia, .. pero necesito algo asi para hacer unas pruebas de
transferencia de ficheros punto a punto por modems GSM.


Gracias a todos...


Angel



Re: BBS???

2001-05-19 Thread Christoph Simon
On Sat, 19 May 2001 22:46:45 +0200
Angel Parra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hola!!
 
   A ver si me explico, porque creo que la respuesta es de lo mas
 simple,... Creo que muchos de vosotros recordareis las famosas BBS, pues
 eso mismo necesito. Alguien sabe de algun pequeño programa servidor bajo
 linux que me permita subir o bajar ficheros de forma facil desde un
 hiperterminal de Windows ... ya se que es algo que no se usa mucho hoy
 en dia, .. pero necesito algo asi para hacer unas pruebas de
 transferencia de ficheros punto a punto por modems GSM.

No lo conzco, pero desde hace mucho tiempo está adbbs como paquete
para debian.


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Apache + suEXEC

2001-05-19 Thread Hector Castillo
El paquete apache-ssl viene preparado para alojar las páginas web en
/var/www, lo cual no es problema hasta que se te ocurre activar el
dichoso suEXEC. Como el directorio raíz de las webs tiene que ser
definido durante la compilación de Apache si usas suEXEC, ninguna CGI
funciona si las páginas están en otro lado.
Como lo de moverlo todo a /var/www no es una solución, podría intentar
modificar el source del paquete de debian y cambiar el directorio
/var/www por el adecuado, aparentemente sólo en uno de los ficheros
(debian/rules). ¿Alguien lo ha hecho alguna vez?
Porque la otra alternativa vendría a ser compilar directamente el
fuente desde apache.org...
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Configuración de impresora HP Deskjet 930C

2001-05-19 Thread Guillermo A. de la Hoz Ardiz,,,

Hola amigos,
tengo la impresora HP Deskjet 930C.
He cargado con modconf los módulos parport y parport_pc. Luego he 
instalado magicfilter y he intentado configurar mi impresora con 
magicfilterconfig.
Aparecen una relación de dirvers de impresora, pero no aparece el mío. 
He probado con los drivers: dj500c, dj550c y deskjet, pero todo lo 
imprime en blanco y negro (aunque el documento sea color) y a una 
resolución penosa. La verdad, es que no tiene ni punto de comparación 
con Windows.

¿Me podeis echar alguna mano? Se agradece ;-)



Re: source.list

2001-05-19 Thread José Luis Fernández Barros
El Sáb 19 May 2001 14:58, Esteban Aguilera escribió:
 Hola gente


 alguien me puede pasar las entradas que tiene en su sourcelist
 porfavor que tambien indique para hacer la descarga del kde2
 que sea todo estable.

# Potato
deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable contrib main non-free
deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian stable/non-US contrib main non-free
deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free

# KDE2
deb ftp://ftp.linux.ee/pub/kde.tdyc.com/debian/ potato main crypto



Re: Sound Blaster Live en Debian Potato

2001-05-19 Thread José Luis Fernández Barros
El Mar 15 May 2001 16:19, Guillermo A. de la Hoz escribió:
 ¿Alguien sabe como configuar mi tarjeta de sonido Sound Blaster Live 1024
 con mi distribución Debian Potato? Si me lo podeis explicar en plan
 sencillo, pues soy muy nuevo en Linux. Gracias

Me imagino que tienes un kernel 2.2.x. Creo que los últimos (x=19) tienen el 
módulo necesario: ejecutas modconf y en la sección misc buscas emu10k1.

Si no es así tendrás que compilar el módulo a mano. Comenté cómo en un correo 
titulado Re: Configurar una SB 1024 del 22 de abril. Puedes revisar los 
correos antiguos de la lista en:

http://lists.debian.org/search.html



Re: mutt, vim och ispell?

2001-05-19 Thread Anders Arnholm
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Andreas Schuldei wrote:

 Finns där hooks för det i mutt eller vim?

Från min .vimrc:

function Ispell(...) range

if a:0  1
echohl WarningMsg
echo Too many arguments for function: Ispell
echohl None
return 1
endif

if a:0 == 0
let language = svenska
else
let language = a:1
endif

let tempfile = tempname()

execute a:firstline . ',' . a:lastline . 'w!' . tempfile
execute a:firstline . ',' . a:lastline . 'd'
execute '!ispell -x -d' . language . ' ' . tempfile
execute a:firstline - 1 . 'r' . tempfile

call delete(tempfile)

endfunctin


Markera ett område visual och : Ispell

Den biten stavas i ispell, utan markering hela filen. Man kan även ge srgument
för språk och annat kul.

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Re: Geek

2001-05-19 Thread Emerson Val Silva
On Fri, 18 May 2001 21:13:01 -0300
Nitrogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Notei que uma das revistas sobre Linux agora vem como Debian 2.2main.
 (Acho
 que é a geek, ou Aquivo Linux, sei lá...)
 Não dei muita atenção ao CD, pois já os tenho. O que me interessou foi a
 imagem do pingüin, que esta com um tipo de toca com o logotipo da
 debian.
 Alguém sabe se seria possível (e onde) arquirir tal imagen para incluir
 em
 meu desktop?

Aquela imagem eu não sei, mas eu criei um modelo 3D no Blender do Logo tipo da 
Debian. Quem estiver interessado pode pedir que mando por e-mail.



Re: Configuracao xf86free

2001-05-19 Thread tropical colchoes ltda




 onde eu pego o driver sis, me oriente mas 
detalhadamente, pois sou novo
no linux (+ ou - um mês) , e desde jah 
agradeco,

Abracos
Carlúcio

  - Original Message - From: Daniel 
  Confortin 
  To: tropical colchoes ltda 
  Cc: Debian 
  Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 7:23 PM
  Subject: Re: Configuracao xf86free
  
  pega o driver da sis e segue as instruções que vem junto com 
  ele..
  
  é barbada...
  
  Vida Longa e Próspera
  DANIEL CONFORTIN
  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
tropical 
colchoes ltda 
To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org 

Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:23 
PM
Subject: Configuracao xf86free

Oi pessoal,

instalei debian pouco mais de um 
mês.
estou tentando configurar o meu x-window , e 
nao estou tendo exito
estou recebendo mensagem tipo:
SVGA failled

tentei configurar no xf86config

A configuracao do meu PC eh
AGP VGA
AMD-K6 (tm) 3d processor
24MB RAM
placa de video sis530 (sis 620) 
8mb
modem motorola pci speackphone

Alguem pode me dar uma dica mais detalhada para 
que eu possa ter melho exito

Carlucio


XXX...

2001-05-19 Thread Algot
Oi gente,
Não consigo configurar o X para ficar com mais de 256 cores. A resolução ele 
aceita em 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, etc... mas o problema é com as cores. 
Já tentei startx --32bpp, startx -bpp 32, etc... e nada. Ele retorna o erro 
abaixo quando tento o startx --32bpp e etc, ou então quando configuro com o 
xf86config para ficar em 32 bppp direto.

(--) SVGA: XAA: Dashed lines and segments    
System: `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/xkbcomp -w 1 -R/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb -xkm -m 
br -em1 The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: -emp   -eml 
Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the x server keymap/xfree86 
compiled/xfree86.xkm

Se alguém tiver mais alguma sugestão, esta será muito bem vinda.
Brigado,

Algot.
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I Forum Linux PE

2001-05-19 Thread Ricardo Melo
Olá  amigos,

Queria deixar aqui registrado novamente que
no dia 23 a 25 de Maio vai acontecer o  I PRIMEIRO FORUM PERNAMBUCANO
DE LINUX   no Centro de Convenções de PE. E também vai acontecer o I
ENCONTRO DE USUARIOS DEBIAN RECIFE-PE. Esta confirmado para o encontro
de usuarios Debian até agora eu (Ricardo Melo) e o Marcelo Santana. Quem
quiser participar por favor entre em contato.

 telefone para inscrição do FORUM
PERNAMBUCANO:3467-7419.



Atenciosamente,
Ricardo Melo.



Re: RES: UNIX world...

2001-05-19 Thread Hélio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro
 Olá Hélio,

Dae André,

 No caso do Solaris, existe um nondisclosure agreement, em que você
 se compromete a não passar o código para mais ninguém, utilizá-lo em outro
 projeto, ou distribuir versões modificadas. Comparada à GPL, é quase a mesma
 coisa que ter só o binário. O que eles querem na verade é que um monte de
 trouxa fique procurando bugs e falhas de segurança de graça. O Plan9, pelo

Foi o que eu disse.  O Mac OS X também tem um MACL que é igual ao do
Solaris.  A Microsoft também deve estar preparando uma destas para liberar
o Windows e melhorar o código com os samaritanos de plantão.

 que eu li, nem é UNIX-like. Tirando o shell, que aceita os mesmos comandos,
 é um conceito novo, mais ou menos como o GNU/Hurd. Em comum com o Gnu/Hurd
 ele tem a usabilidade, que é quase nula :)

Ele é um Unix sim, só que kernel é desenvolvido com o conceito de
microkernel, assim como o Hurd.   Eu tenho o Plan9 aqui num cd da Geek,
mas não fiz nenhum esforço para ver como é.

 
  Também a atualização é muito ruim.  Em qualquer distribuição
  GNU/Linux já existem ferramentas muito superiores neste sentido.
 
 Um vez um amigo meu pediu para ajudar a instalar o Apache em um AIX.
 Baixei os fontes, mas o tar que vinha nele era tão antigo que não consegui
 abrir o código fonte. Tivemos que ficar com o webserver que vinha no CD,
 somente em binário. Detalhe: a máquina era nova.

Vc teve o azar de pegar o pior UNIX para instalação (opinião 
pessoal). 
Quando os MIBs (Men In Black) da IBM criaram o hardware do RISC 6000, onde
nada rodava, criaram o AIX para fazer o treco funcionar.  Até para
compilar hello.c no AIX é complicado.  De tempos em tempos aparecem
incompatibilidades entre o GCC e o AIX.  Quer trabalhar com plataforma
RISC?  Experimente uma Ultra Sparc.  Estou usando uma Ultra 5 com Debian e
é simplesmente fantástico.  Parece um PC de gente grande :-)  O próximo
passo é ver como rodam os binários de Solaris através de emulação.

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Re: Como evitar quebra de linha e rolagem excessiva no Emacs?

2001-05-19 Thread Hélio Alexandre Lopes Loureiro
Emerson Val Silva wrote:
 Gostaria de saber como posso evitar a rolagem excessiva que o Emacs faz 
 quando o cursor passa dos limites da area de edicao e como evitar a quebra de 
 linha.

A barra de rolagem eu não lembro como faz, mas a quebra de linha é só 
dar
um M-x seguido de auto-fill-mode.

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Unidentified subject!

2001-05-19 Thread Lúcio
 Tenho um Scanner SCSI Genius SP2X. A tempos tento fazê-lo funcionar no Linux e 
tenho tido algum sucesso, só que quando vou tentar escanear alguma coisa, o 
sistema trava todo e tenho que resetá-lo. A placa SCSI é uma Adaptec AVA-1505A, 
a minha distribuição de Linux é a Mandrake Linux 8.0. Eu ativo o scanner no 
boot dando o comando:

modprobe aha152x io=0x340 irq=11 scsiid=7

 Apesar que o Linux, com o kernel 2.4.3, reconhece a placa no boot, eu sei 
disso porque editei o arquivo isapnp que está no diretório /proc. Mas só 
consigo usar o scanner dando o comando acima.

Se alguém tiver alguma idéia, por favor me ajude.

Obrigado, Lúcio
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Unidentified subject!

2001-05-19 Thread Lúcio
 Tenho um Scanner SCSI Genius SP2X. A tempos tento fazê-lo funcionar no Linux e 
tenho tido algum sucesso, só que quando vou tentar escanear alguma coisa, o 
sistema trava todo e tenho que resetá-lo. A placa SCSI é uma Adaptec AVA-1505A, 
a minha distribuição de Linux é a Mandrake Linux 8.0. Eu ativo o scanner no 
boot dando o comando:

modprobe aha152x io=0x340 irq=11 scsiid=7

 Apesar que o Linux, com o kernel 2.4.3, reconhece a placa no boot, eu sei 
disso porque editei o arquivo isapnp que está no diretório /proc. Mas só 
consigo usar o scanner dando o comando acima.

Se alguém tiver alguma idéia, por favor me ajude.

Obrigado, Lúcio
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Problemas com Scanner

2001-05-19 Thread Lúcio
 Tenho um Scanner SCSI Genius SP2X. A tempos tento fazê-lo funcionar no Linux e 
tenho tido algum sucesso, só que quando vou tentar escanear alguma coisa, o 
sistema trava todo e tenho que resetá-lo. A placa SCSI é uma Adaptec AVA-1505A, 
a minha distribuição de Linux é a Mandrake Linux 8.0. Eu ativo o scanner no 
boot dando o comando:

modprobe aha152x io=0x340 irq=11 scsiid=7

 Apesar que o Linux, com o kernel 2.4.3, reconhece a placa no boot, eu sei 
disso porque editei o arquivo isapnp que está no diretório /proc. Mas só 
consigo usar o scanner dando o comando acima.

Se alguém tiver alguma idéia, por favor me ajude.

Obrigado, Lúcio
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Re: imigração

2001-05-19 Thread Pablo Borges

Fabio,

Vc está tendo problemas na alfândega com a Imigração do seu linux ?

:~~

[]'s
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Re: Is Redhat that bad - a question.

2001-05-19 Thread freedman
On Sat, May 19, 2001, David Underwood wrote:
 I really don't know enough to comment on anything posted in that thread,
 my Linux knolwedge experiance / knoledge is'nt that extensive.
 
 I am aware though that the Debian policy is much stronger in relation to
 the 'packaging issue'. Presumably this is one of the contibuting factors
 to it's 'legendary' stability.
 
 For this reason I have recently began my journey with Debian.
 
 The upshoot of all this is, and please forgive my ignorance, but what
 exactlly is FHS and where can I find information about it.
 
 I am concious of my need to learn more!
 
 Regards 
 
 David Underwood.

Hi David,

The FHS is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard.  More info at:
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/

To quote from the abstract of the 12 Mar 2001 release:

This standard consists of a set of requirements and
guidelines for file and directory placement under UNIX-like
operating systems.  The guidelines are intended to support
interoperability of applications, system administration tools,
development tools, and scripts as well as greater uniformity
of documentation for these systems.

Along similar veins (but more linux specific and larger in scope) is
the LSB --- Linux Standard Base --- info at: http://www.linuxbase.org/

Incidentally, to comment tangentially upon the 'Red Hat sucks' thread:

I use Debian on all machines I have control over (have to accept RH on
certain lab workstations such as this one from which I read mail) and
am immensely impressed with its stability, robustness, and overall
engineering.  However, the danger of portraying Red Hat Linux as
'sucking' is that it so compresses the space with which to judge
software engineering that truly bad stuff is artificially elevated.
Besides the fact that it often produces lots of email traffic (read:
possible flamewar) with much lower signal-to-noise ratio than normal
(here's hoping that this hasn't added to that effect :) ).

Hope the above helps and take care,

Daniel



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Re: opera

2001-05-19 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls

Hey,

Reset your ur screen res. Is good beyond 800x... I know what you mean, I had 
it running on a laptop at 640, not much room left for rendering eh!

imnsho, opera dusts nutscrape, slowzilla and konq on most sites. Konq is 
gonna rock shortly, the coders seem to be hell bent for the gold on it.

might want to try pulling both the static  dynamic's opera's down for fun. 
Seemed liked the dynamic ran just a little faster yet then the static - shrug.

tatah

On Friday 18 May 2001 18:12, Brian Nelson wrote:
 Can't say I'm all that impressed with it though.  The damn toolbar/ad
 crap takes up half the damn screen.  Maybe you're not missing out on
 much...

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Re: Is Redhat that bad - a question.

2001-05-19 Thread Dana J . Laude
On Fri, 18 May 2001 23:00:40 you wrote:
 On Sat, May 19, 2001, David Underwood wrote:
  I really don't know enough to comment on anything posted in that 
thread,
  my Linux knolwedge experiance / knoledge is'nt that extensive.
  
  I am aware though that the Debian policy is much stronger in 
relation to
  the 'packaging issue'. Presumably this is one of the contibuting 
factors
  to it's 'legendary' stability.
snip

I'll post on this.  EVERY dist of linux has it's pro's and
con's.  In favor of RH we actually HAD to use it due to the
support of our DPT raid controller(s) on our two servers.

I contacted SuSE about support, nada.  The code is free
btw.  RH isn't exactly evil... you just have to set it up
correctly.  (wow, what a concept!)  I run Debian by default,
but then I'm open to varius dists.  

I told SCO tech support how to support HST modems..., and
they didn't charge me the normal rate of $100.00 per
question.  Amazing! 

Printing in Debian sucks, fix it. ;-(

Regards,

Dana



Re: opera

2001-05-19 Thread Brian Nelson
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 09:43:04PM -0700, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote:
 Reset your ur screen res. Is good beyond 800x... I know what you mean, I had 
 it running on a laptop at 640, not much room left for rendering eh!

Heh, well I'm running at 1600x1200 and I still don't like it.  I guess
I'm picky.
 
 imnsho, opera dusts nutscrape, slowzilla and konq on most sites. Konq is 
 gonna rock shortly, the coders seem to be hell bent for the gold on it.

I use konq mostly.  The latest 0.9 Mozilla is nice too.  It's appears
to finally be getting useable in terms of speed and stability.

The one thing I did like about opera was the support for multiple
pages within the window frame.  I'm no fan of MDI apps, but I do think
browsers should be able to keep multiple pages in memory (like emacs
buffers) so you can easily switch between them.  I hate having to
manage multiple browser windows.

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Re: lprng problem. Problem Solved :-)

2001-05-19 Thread Joel Mayes
Thanks to everyone who responded, both on and off list,
I've installed CUPS and everything is now A-KO

Thanks Again

Joel

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 02:26:52PM -0700, Steve Gran wrote:
 On Fri, 18 May 2001, Joel Mayes wrote:
 
  
  On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:45:00PM -0500, Dana J . Laude wrote:
   On Thu, 17 May 2001 18:29:12 Joel Mayes wrote:
G'day All,

I'm running Debian testing with kernel 2.4.4 and can not get my 
   printer
( a HP deskjet 690C ) to work, I have the parport, partport_pc, and 
   lp 
loaded with the correct irq, ect settings. but any request to the 
   printer 
ejects a blank page, except the command 'lp foobar.txt' which 
   prints
No way to print this type of file, ASCII Text' on the top of the 
   page 

I'm using lprng as my printer spooler and 
I've used lprngtool to set the printer settings.

Any advice will be repaid with bundle of good karma,
   
   I just reset my printer tonight, and the permissions are all
   screwed up for lprng.  Try running /usr/sbin/checkpc -f -V and
   see what it says. This checks your printcap for proper
   directorys and permissions.  If it kicks out errors,
   then su and run it again..., this will fix the permissions.
   
   Although I love debian, I think getting a printer to work
   on this dist sucks.  Just take a look at all the bug reports
   for lpr, lprng and cups.  Note meant as a flame btw, just
   a fix this, improve it *alot* should be intended.
   
   Dana
   
  
  G'day Dana,
  Thanks for the reply I've followed your advise but still no
  luck, ( no change at all actualy ) just a black page or a 
  No way to print this type of file, ASCII Text' message,
  printed on the printer :(
  
  I'll agree with you about Debian though, it is the best Dist
  I've come acroos out of the 5 - 6 I've tried but it's also the
  only one hwere I can't get my !$$%@ printer to work
  
  Thanks
  
  Joel
  
 Have you tried magicfilter and lpr?  They worked pretty well for me.
 Good luck,
 Steve
 
 
 
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Re: Small LAN problem

2001-05-19 Thread Alexander Poquet
Thanks for your assurances.  Unfortunately, I am without a hub, so a crossover
cable is my only option.  If the cable was made incorrectly, then that would
account for at least some of my troubles -- could you point me to some
literature describing how a xover cable is made, or else explain the process
on list?  I would appreciate it.  I always understood a crossover cable to
be a cable that routed pin 1 to pin 8, pin 2 to pin 7, etc.  If this is
incorrect, I would like to know the correct way...

thanks again,
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Re: opera

2001-05-19 Thread Joel Mayes

You can kill that opera ad by pressing F11 and browsing in full screen mode

Cheers

Joel
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Re: Is Redhat that bad - a question.

2001-05-19 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:52:41PM -0500, Dana J . Laude wrote:

 Printing in Debian sucks, fix it. ;-(

Not if it ain't broke! I've never had any problems in 4 years of Debian
use, with three different printers.  lprng + magicfilter + gs (if you
aren't using a postscript printer).



Re: Small LAN problem

2001-05-19 Thread Phil Brutsche
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 Thanks for your assurances.  Unfortunately, I am without a hub, so a
 crossover cable is my only option.  If the cable was made incorrectly,
 then that would account for at least some of my troubles -- could you
 point me to some literature describing how a xover cable is made, or
 else explain the process on list?  I would appreciate it.  I always
 understood a crossover cable to be a cable that routed pin 1 to pin 8,
 pin 2 to pin 7, etc.

For some crossover cables, perhaps.  But recall that TP ethernet only uses
2 pairs of wires - at least some of the signals are going to places where
they're not being listened for.

http://www.pin-outs.com/datasheet_72.htm has the pinout you're looking
for.

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update

2001-05-19 Thread Karshi Hasanov
 I am trying to update/upgrade to Woody, but don't know how the 
sources.list should
look like.   


I would appreciate if some one can  send me a copy of this source.list file.



Re: /tmp trouble

2001-05-19 Thread V.Suresh
  Yes, I formatted. I think it's permissions problem. I shall change
  permissions and try out. But, tell me, what's stupid with it? So I
  shall correct my stupidity. ;-)

Once upon a time, Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] found a keyboard. And 
typed:
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 10:34:51PM +0600, V.Suresh wrote:
  I just wanted to experiment with partitions. So, created a 30 MB
  partition, and modified /etc/fstab as
/dev/hda7   /tmp   ext2defaults 0 0
 
And rebooted. Now, mutt, lynx et al couldn't create tmp files, and won't
budge. What's wrong? I had to revert back, to put /tmp under / partition.
What's wrong with my setting? Help.

just a stupid idea, but did you create a filesystem on that new
partition like with: mke2fs /dev/hda7 ?

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Re: Running X apps in Windows

2001-05-19 Thread Joel Mayes
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 05:33:46PM -0500, Jonathan Daugherty wrote:
 Does anyone know of a FREE package allowing one to run an X app on a linux 
 box in such a way that it can be used across a network on a
 windows box, in the same way that X apps can be run over networks?
 
 
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 Dept. of Computer Science / Student Technology Support
 The University of Georgia
 
 
 -- 
G'day Jonathan,

You might look at LINE, a program that attempts to be for windows what WINE 
is for Linux, it's still in Alpha development.

http://line.sourceforge.net/

 

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Re: opengl (mesa) compiling problem.

2001-05-19 Thread Felix Natter
Jan Krupa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I would like to use the mesa (opengl) library in C or C++.
 
 I installed (debian2.2 potato) 
 mesa-glide2 3.1-17
 mesa-widget 3.1-17
 mesademos
 
 or tried (instead)
 mesa-dev
 mesag3
 
 I tried to compile some example of using opengl (mesa) library
 with the following heather:
 
 #include GL/glut.h
 
 and using the following command:
 
  gcc  -lglut -lMesaGLU -lMesaGL -lXi -lXmu -lX11 -lXext -lm -o 
 triangle triangle.c

the Mesa-prefixes have been dropped to make it easier to port
applications to MesaGL.
I compile with, for example:
gcc -Wall -o gluttest gluttest.c -lGLU -lglut -lGL -lm -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXi 
-lXext -lX11 -lXmu

you might have to install a glut-package as well.
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if your StarOffice dies... (fonts)

2001-05-19 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci

Hi there I received this note about sudden death of StarOffice,
about which we had a thread about a month ago. It is a problem of
fonts and the followin message shows a way to narrow down and possibly
resolve the problem.

Have fun

Pf

From: Dietz Proepper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Staroffice crashing

Hi,

sorry for mailing this to you but I am no member to
debian-users and did not see a quick way to drop a note there.
Therefore the direct mail.

regardin' the staroffice crash you posted to debian-users
a month ago, I ran into the same trouble. Some digging revealed
quickly that it had to do s.t. with the font management (go
to Options/Editor/Fonts - *kaboom*). Also spadmin shows that
behaviour, trying to print a test page with a garbled system
yields a crash. But in contrast to soffice spadmin can be easily
straced. And now for the interesting bit ,). That traces reveal
that spadmin tries to open several Type1 fonts that still exist
in fonts.dir and fonts.scale. Removing them gave me back a working
Star Office. Due to the fact taht I am far from being a font or X
wizzard I assume that there's a better way than hand-editing but
it works so who cares ;).

If you feel that others might be interested in this too, feel
free to forward that mail to debian-users.

kindest regards

Dietz Proepper


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create your own GNU/linux distribution on 3 floppies

2001-05-19 Thread Krzys Majewski
Uses syslinux, busybox, and make. 

http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~majewski/giab/

-chris



iptables and kernel 2.4 etc

2001-05-19 Thread David Purton

Hi,


I just upgraded to kernel 2.4.4 and I'm now trying to return my computer
to some state of normality.

after finding I missed a crucial option for ppp and a second recompile
:) I'm now up to getting ipmasqing to work.


I wasn't really sure what options to go for in the kernel - so I checked
everything as modules.  An ended up with the following:

ip_conntrack.o  ipt_MASQUERADE.o  ipt_mac.oipt_unclean.o
ip_conntrack_ftp.o  ipt_MIRROR.o  ipt_mark.o   iptable_filter.o
ip_nat_ftp.oipt_REDIRECT.oipt_multiport.o  iptable_mangle.o
ip_queue.o  ipt_REJECT.o  ipt_owner.o  iptable_nat.o
ip_tables.o ipt_TCPMSS.o  ipt_state.o
ipt_LOG.o   ipt_TOS.o ipt_tcpmss.o


of course I don't have a huge idea what most of these are, but I've
managed to sort of get things working by a modprobe -a \*, then running
ipmasq (problems with which I'll deal with in a sec). and things sort of
go.

So what I want to know is which of the above modules do I need for a
masqed network and simple firewalling as a minimum?

And where do I tell the kernel which I want loaded at boot time in the
usual way - and everything will be happy?

Also - when I run ipmasq, it cunningly iserts alsorts of rules into the
filter table with the net result being that I can't access the net at
all.  (at least - packets get out - but are denied on the way in again).
This is not helpful as a default (which it is, since I reinstalled the
ipmasq package after purging it in the hope that my probs would go away)

Is this a prob with ipmasq and 2.4 kernels or is something else wrong?

btw - I found out that ipmasq was at least getting the masqing bit right
but flushing all the chains in the filter table and changing the policy
to ACCEPT. (obviously not a permenant solution)


cheers,

dc


Today people in droves hurry up past Heumoz to Villars 
on the road to the ski hills, so they can rush down them
as fast as possible, so they can hurry up again in order
to rush down again.  In a way this is funny,...

Francis A Schaeffer

David Purton

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Re: iptables and kernel 2.4 etc

2001-05-19 Thread David Purton
On Sat, 19 May 2001, David Purton wrote:

 ip_conntrack.o  ipt_MASQUERADE.o  ipt_mac.oipt_unclean.o
 ip_conntrack_ftp.o  ipt_MIRROR.o  ipt_mark.o   iptable_filter.o
 ip_nat_ftp.oipt_REDIRECT.oipt_multiport.o  iptable_mangle.o
 ip_queue.o  ipt_REJECT.o  ipt_owner.o  iptable_nat.o
 ip_tables.o ipt_TCPMSS.o  ipt_state.o
 ipt_LOG.o   ipt_TOS.o ipt_tcpmss.o
 

d'oh, missed a couple - also

ipt_MARK.o  ipt_limit.o   ipt_tos.o


cheers

dc



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on the road to the ski hills, so they can rush down them
as fast as possible, so they can hurry up again in order
to rush down again.  In a way this is funny,...

Francis A Schaeffer

David Purton

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Re: create your own GNU/linux distribution on 3 floppies

2001-05-19 Thread Alvin Oga

hi ya

a modified toms root-boot will be a linux distro on one floppy...
some tweeking needed with initrd files

busybox sounds like a fun project to go look at though

and if 1.44 floppy is too small... a 4Mb flash is good too ...
( easy enough to squeeze 16Mb-32Mb of linux os into it )
- wish i had saved that script that created the 2.75MB linux
files ... maybe time to recreate it...

have fun
alvin
http://www.Linux-Consulting.com/{Flash,Boot}

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 Uses syslinux, busybox, and make. 
 
 http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~majewski/giab/
 
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xterm, bitchx, latin2, rxvt

2001-05-19 Thread Tomasz Olszewski
Standard potatoe's bitchx package doesn't support non iso8859-1 charsets
so I had to recompile bitchx from source. I did it using potatoe's
source package. I modified include/config.h: undefined LATIN1 and
defined CHRSET_CUSTOM. My iso8859-2 fonts are now displayed properly
(unfortunately some characters are not; as far as I know there is no
easy way to fix it (?) so that's not the point) on the text console or
in the rxvt. The problem is with xterm. When I run BX in it many chars
are completely screwed up (like an '@' becomes a paragraph sign, '['
changes into 'A' with umlaut and many more). What's wrong? BTW: many
iso8859-2 fonts don't look good in terminals like rxvt: there are no
frames (for example in mc). When I try a bigger font (like:
-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2
insted of:
-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-2
) everything is fine. However both fonts look good in xterm. Why is
that?

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Re: update

2001-05-19 Thread Willi Dyck
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 01:55:27AM -0500, Karshi Hasanov wrote:
   I am trying to update/upgrade to Woody, but don't know how the 
 sources.list should
 look like.   
 I would appreciate if some one can  send me a copy of this source.list file.

deb http://source.rfc822.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
^^^
deb http://source.rfc822.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free
   ^^^
Make sure you modify your sources.list to something similar to the ones
above. Importent is what is marked with ^.

$ apt-get update  apt-get -u dist-upgrade

should bring your system one level higher ;-)
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Re: /etc/conf.modules is more recent ? !!

2001-05-19 Thread Phillip Deackes
On Fri, 18 May 2001 18:49:48 -0500
Balbir Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 I am using kernel 2.2.19 and with debian 2.2r2 and keep getting the
 following 
 message at boot up :
 
 Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than
 /lib/modules/2.2.19/modules.dep
 
 I read the earlier post in this mailing list saying it was a bug in
 2.2.17 . So
 I upgraded to 2.2.19 and it still happens. Could you please advice ?

OK. This is my understanding of the situation. The file /etc/modules.conf
is generated (in part?) from the contents of the /etc/modutils/ directory.
Any personal module additions should be put into /etc/modutils/aliases NOT
/etc/modules.conf. The file /etc/modules.conf is then correctly generated
when you (or the system) runs 'update-modules'.

If you add things directly to /etc/modules.conf you may get the error
message you are seeing. This has happened to me before.

Maybe this is not what is causing your problem - if not, try compiling and
installing a new kernel and things should sync OK.

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Re: What every retailer should know

2001-05-19 Thread Sebastiaan
Well, they have done it: I have never read so much bullshit in one
document. Some parts are true, however they have misinterpreted it. Most
of what they see as a disadvantage is really an advantage. But do not
blame them, they have not reached that kind of intelligence yet.

Greetz,
Sebastiaan



 On Sat, 19 May 2001, MaDdUCK wrote:

 
 
 Microsoft Windows has better security than Linux
 
 it's absolutely hilarious, just about like everything that comes out
 of the redmond circus.
 
 the original is at
   http://www.microsoft.com/europe/industry/downloads/
 retail/Linux%20report.doc
 
 but because that's about 600% the size of the actual valid
 information, and furthermore absolutely proprietary (and most likely
 virus infected), i went through the trouble to translate it to html.
 
 get ready for comedy!
 
   http://www.pantsfullofunix.net/ms_white/
 
 
 
 and on a related note, i want to make sure that you all know about the
 following two sites, which i think are excellent! especially the kirch
 paper was one of the better reads i had in a long time!
 
   http://www.vcnet.com/bms/
   http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/
 
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Re: Running X apps in Windows

2001-05-19 Thread Damon Muller
Quoth Joel Mayes, 
 On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 05:33:46PM -0500, Jonathan Daugherty wrote:
  Does anyone know of a FREE package allowing one to run an X app on a
  linux box in such a way that it can be used across a network on a
  windows box, in the same way that X apps can be run over networks?

 G'day Jonathan,
 
 You might look at LINE, a program that attempts to be for windows what WINE 
 is for Linux, it's still in Alpha development.
 
 http://line.sourceforge.net/

Try WeirdX 

http://www.jcraft.com/weirdx/

It's a free X implementation in Java which runs on Windows. 

cheers,

damon

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Re: alsa-sources broken

2001-05-19 Thread Andrea Vettorello
christophe barbé wrote:

 I've apt-get alsa-sources-0.5
 I use a 2.2.19 compiled on my host.
 I go under /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver-0.5-0.5.10b-8..
 And if I do ./debian/rules binary-modules
 I got errors, first because I need to set
 export KSRC=/usr/src/linux
 export KVERS=2.2.19
 in debian/rules, and after that I have the following error :
 sh debian/modules-tools.d/setvers.sh
 Error: Need to set all the $KVERS, $KDREV.
 make: *** [binary-modules] Error 1

 Where comes the problem from ? Should I use an another method ?
 Or the package is broken ?


Try using kernel-package to compile the alsa source, you need also the source
of the kernel (can use the source from kernel.org or the source from a debian
package, you compiled yourself, so you don't need to download again =), and
last, i suggest you to untar the sources in another directory instead of
/usr/src/linux (for example in your home dir, or under  /usr/local).

You will find all the instructions in
/usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian.gz or looking in this mail-list
archive...


Andrea



Re: Mozilla M18-3 SSL support? (was Re: Unable to gain access to secure sites)

2001-05-19 Thread Ethan Benson
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 07:43:44PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
 on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:00:07AM +0800, Tham Kine Seng ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
 wrote:
  Hi to all,
  I'm a newbie to Linux sys and I need some help here. I am unable to
  access secure sites using mozilla and netscape
 
 For Netscape, there are packages available, responded to elsewhere.
 
 For Mozilla the problem's a bit trickier.  Up until Moz 0.8, security
 was bundled separately under a PSM (personal security manager?)
 package.  In 0.8+, security support is bundled into the main build and
 PSM is AFAIK fully withdrawn.  Unfortunately, Debian still bundles
 M18-3, which relies on PSM.  My understanding is that this leaves you
 shit out of luck.  Anyone with data otherwise is welcome to respond.
 
 If you're pulling unofficial debs or working from tarballs, you my have
 SSL support by default.

deb http://www.debian.or.jp/~kitame/mozilla/ ./

unofficial, but real debian packages made by a real debian developer.
they are the same packages as potato's M18, just with 0.9.  they are
compiled for unstable-i386 so if you use potato (or arch != i386) you
must apt-get source and build the packages locally.  this is not hard
to do so long as you install everything listed in it's build-depends.

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Re: galeon compile

2001-05-19 Thread Ethan Benson
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 10:04:46PM -0500, Stephen E. Hargrove wrote:
 i'm trying to compile the latest version of galeon.  make craps out with:
 
 In file included from autobookmarks.c:19:
 galeon.h:42: gdk-pixbuf/gdk-pixbuf.h: No such file or directory

apt-get install libgdk-pixbuf-dev

 In file included from autobookmarks.c:19:
 galeon.h:45: gnome-xml/xmlmemory.h: No such file or directory

apt-get install libxml-dev

 galeon.h:46: gnome-xml/tree.h: No such file or directory

apt-get install libxml-dev

 galeon.h:47: gnome-xml/parser.h: No such file or directory

apt-get install libxml-dev

 In file included from autobookmarks.c:19:
 galeon.h:61: glade/glade.h: No such file or directory

apt-get install libglade0-dev

 how do i figure out what packages i need to install in order to have
 gdk-pixbuf.h and glade.h?  (i realize these are -dev packages -- i just
 don't know which ones.  i can't find a glade-dev...)

go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and at the bottom there
is a file search form, this allows you to find what package owns any
given file in the entire debian distribution.  including both stable
and unstable branchs and arch != i386.  

once you get galeon going you can add the following as a `smart
bookmark'  it will create a text feild on the toolbar which will let
you enter a filename you want to locate.  

http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=%scase=insensitiveversion=unstablearch=i386directories=yes

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Debian 2-2r3

2001-05-19 Thread KORHAN ERTURK



Hi

I recently downloaded new version 2-2r3.But 
can not boot in because my HD controller is HPT366.And I noticed that there are 
flavours to install .Where is CD four.I have iso-cd 1 from planetmirror in which 
I can not boot.
Regards


Re: opera

2001-05-19 Thread Gordon Hart
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 10:06:15PM -0400, Brian Nelson wrote:

  the settings.  Personally after you get the hang of things
  it's not bad for free.  I don't even pay attention to the
  banner ads. g
 
 It's all configurable... except for the toolbar with the ads which is
 the biggest and most annoying one.  I played with it for a while but
 couldn't come up with a configuration I liked.

you can run it fullscreen, or fullscreen with small menu bar.. no ads
that way.. but you must have an ancient screen, at 1024 up the add is
pretty ignorable.

 Besides, it's not free in any sense of the word, unless you consider
 closed source software shoving ads down your throat free.  I see no

Apart from 'links' I haven't found a free browser that I can use
instead :(



Re: /tmp trouble

2001-05-19 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 09:41:12AM +0600, V.Suresh wrote:
   Yes, I formatted. I think it's permissions problem. I shall change
   permissions and try out. But, tell me, what's stupid with it? So I
   shall correct my stupidity. ;-)

No, I ment it's so likely you formatted that partition, that it was
stupid to suggest otherwise. [[but as you left that step out of your
problem description it might have been the case, so I tried:]]

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Re: opengl (mesa) compiling problem.

2001-05-19 Thread Jan Krupa


On 19 May 2001, Felix Natter wrote:

 Jan Krupa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I would like to use the mesa (opengl) library in C or C++.
  
  I installed (debian2.2 potato) 
  mesa-glide2 3.1-17
  mesa-widget 3.1-17
  mesademos
  
  or tried (instead)
  mesa-dev
  mesag3
  
  I tried to compile some example of using opengl (mesa) library
  with the following heather:
  
  #include GL/glut.h
  
  and using the following command:
  
   gcc  -lglut -lMesaGLU -lMesaGL -lXi -lXmu -lX11 -lXext -lm -o 
  triangle triangle.c
 
 the Mesa-prefixes have been dropped to make it easier to port
 applications to MesaGL.
 I compile with, for example:
 gcc -Wall -o gluttest gluttest.c -lGLU -lglut -lGL -lm -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXi 
 -lXext -lX11 -lXmu

Thanks. It works. But how to configure Linux to be able compiling
without -L/usr/X11R6/lib ?
When I tried:
  triangle triangle.c
  
 the Mesa-prefixes have been dropped to make it easier to port
 applications to MesaGL.
 I compile with, for example:
 gcc -Wall -o gluttest gluttest.c -lGLU -lglut -lGL -lm -L/usr/X11R6/lib
-lXi $
  
Thanks. It works. But how to configure Linux to be able compiling
without -L/usr/X11R6/lib ?
When I tried:
  triangle triangle.c
  
 the Mesa-prefixes have been dropped to make it easier to port
 applications to MesaGL.
 I compile with, for example:
 gcc -Wall -o gluttest gluttest.c -lGLU -lglut -lGL -lm -L/usr/X11R6/lib
-lXi $
  
Thanks. It works. But how to configure Linux to be able compiling
without -L/usr/X11R6/lib ?
When I tried:
 gcc  -lglut -lGLU -lGL -lXi -lXmu -lX11 -lXext -lm -o triangle triangle.c

I got:
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXi
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

Which of the following componets would you think is better to install?:

When I tried:
 gcc  -lglut -lGLU -lGL -lXi -lXmu -lX11 -lXext -lm -o triangle triangle.c

I got:
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXi 
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

Which of the following componets would you think is better to install?:
   
 
 you might have to install a glut-package as well.
I've done.

Which of the following set of  components would you think is better to
install?:

 mesa-glide2 3.1-17
 mesa-widget 3.1-17
 mesademos
...? (what else?)
 
 or (instead)
 mesa-dev
  mesag3
 ...(what else?)
  
Jan


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Re: Problem with netgear card

2001-05-19 Thread Michael Mueller

OK.  So after you install the kernel source package,
then it should include the .config used to make the
kernel image, and as was mentioned below, it should
also contain the modversions.h that was created by
make menuconfig.

If you install the kernel package, then you should be
able to compile the netdrivers.

(Sorry about asking these questions, but I am not able
to get a Debian running yet.  I haven't learned enough
about disk partioning, file system assignment, and the
boot process to make the correct choices to allow my
disk based boot to get beyond LI.  It's cool how
each letter in LILO means something during its run. 
But I digress.)

Mike
--- Brian Schramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kernel source is not part of the defalt load for
 Debian.  You have to choose
 that package after you have the system installed.
 
 Brian
 
 Michael Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
  Here's a newbie question about the instructions
 below:
  
  If I load Potato from scratch, will there be a
 kernel
  source directory that has a modversions.h file in
 it?
  
  Mike
  
  
  --- Noah L. Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 03:24:17PM -0400, Brian
   Schramm wrote:

Any other ideas?

   
   The kernel needs to be configured (i.e. make
 config
   || make menuconfig
   || make xconfig must have been run).  The
   modversions.h file you
   mentioned (in a long list of other garbage, all
 of
   which I chopped
   out) is automatically generated by the
 configuration
   process.  You need
   to configure the kernel precisely the way it was
   configured when you
   built it.  It's generally a good idea to keep a
 copy
   of the .config
   around to make your life easier in cases like
 this.
   
   noah
   
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Re: lm-sensors problems -- solved

2001-05-19 Thread Philipp Lehman
Oh well, I didn't modify the include line in the lm_sensors
Makefile. It works now.

I still have to figure out the settings in /etc/sensors.conf for the
lm80. Anybody with a recent VIA-based MB out there?

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thumb suggestion

2001-05-19 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls

   Hello,

I need to build an html page with photos. I'd like to make thumbnails and 
link them to the actual pix in another file. What will do this under potato?

tia

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Re: thumb suggestion

2001-05-19 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
:: Jaye Inabnit ke6sls writes:

Hello,

 I need to build an html page with photos. I'd like to make thumbnails and 
 link them to the actual pix in another file. What will do this under potato?

Try the webmagick package (which is in potato).

In unstable, there's algo igal...

J.

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windows key

2001-05-19 Thread Brian Stults
Hi,

A while back, I remapped the ms-windows key on my keyboard to open an
xterm.  The mapping was done through sawfish configuration.  I was
pleased to have a Microsoft-intended key open a program that is such a
bastion of *nix OS's.  Anyway, maybe 2-3 weeks ago, the key stopped
responding.  Not only does it not run an xterm, but it generates no code
whatsoever.  That is, when I type Ctrl-V and then hit the windows key,
nothing happens.  Could someone point me in the right direction, and
perhaps suggest a reason what would have caused the change?

Thanks.

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Department of Sociology
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Re: Using /dev/dsp?

2001-05-19 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 09:00:03PM -0600, Cameron Matheson wrote:
 Hey,
 
 I have a bunch /dev/dsp's (/dev/dsp is a symlink to /dev/dsp0, but I also have
 /dev/dsp[123],etc).  I can't use them though...  Are they only available if 
 you
 have multiple sound cards, or how can i access them (i want to be able to play
 mp3s and have sound in gaim, etc)

dsp is short for digital signal processor. To have one of these devices,
you need a modern soundcard. My /dev/dsp is the interface to my emu10k1 module
driving my SBLive! Value card. At work, with a crystal sound card, it's a
symlink to /dev/dsp0 and interfaces with alsa. 
What soundcard do you have?

Mike

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ASUS PCI-V3800 video-in/out

2001-05-19 Thread Philips
Hello All!

I have ASUS video card based on nVidia TNT2 with composite/s-video
video-in/out.
I'm trying to make this work under Linux.

As long as I know chip used to work with video is Philips SAA7111.
This chip seems to be supported - there is driver named saa7111.
I found many documentation on how to make work TV cards - but nothing 
for my
case...

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upgrade kernel

2001-05-19 Thread Chris



Where to find out howto upgrade kernel in potato 
2.2.19 to 2.4.4? Kinda newbie here, but need i810 support for sys. 
tried upgrade to woody but kernel didn't come with. So reinstalled 
potato. Want i810 support for X. wont run svga but will run 
vga-crappy graphics! So could someone tell me how to upgrade to 2.4 kernel 
and xfree86 4. Possible apt lines to use. Only want kernel and x 
upgrade so sys is somewhat stable. THANKS TO ANYONE FOR THE 
HELP!!! 



Re: Problem with netgear card

2001-05-19 Thread Brian Schramm
gcc -DMODULE -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c natsemi.c 
from the bottom of the natsemi.c file.  My file placement is standard for the
kernel.  I have a link to the 2.2.19 source directory by the name of linux.  I
have the drivers stored in the /usr/src/module directory.  

I hope this helps.

Brian

Noah L. Meyerhans [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 01:28:45AM -, Brian Schramm wrote:
  I never ran mrproper.  The last time I did that I had trouble bringing
  everything back to a good compile so I don't do that any more. 
Admittedly,
  that was a long time ago and many kernels back.
  
  I have looked in the directory that you said and I have a modversions.h
file. 
  So, I do not know what I can do about this problem.
 
 In that case you must just be telling the compiler to look in the wrong
 place for kernel include files.  Post the command line you're using to
 compile the natsemi.c driver.
 
 noah
 
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Re: Small LAN problem

2001-05-19 Thread Casper Gielen
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 03:29:34PM -0700, Alexander Poquet wrote:
 
 My debian box connects to the internet sometimes via ppp, but is generally
 a stand-alone.  I made a cross over ethernet cable (by reversing the color
 order of the subcables on one side) and connected my two boxes directly.
 I installed my ethernet card and recompiled my kernel (I'm running 2.4.2)
 to support it.  Then in my /etc/network/interfaces file I put:

Sorry, but that is not the correct way of making a cross cable.
The correct wiring is:


1-3
2-6
3-1
6-2

The rest of the wires is not used and are connected straight-through,
4-4, 5-5, 7-7, 8-8 .

(source www.hardwarebook.net which is also available as the hwb .deb)

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Re: upgrade kernel

2001-05-19 Thread Martin Würtele
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 04:14:19AM -0400, Chris wrote:
 Where to find out howto upgrade kernel in potato 2.2.19 to 2.4.4?  Kinda 
 newbie here, but need i810 support for sys.  tried upgrade to woody but 
 kernel didn't come with.  So reinstalled potato.  Want i810 support for X.  
 wont run svga but will run vga-crappy graphics!  So could someone tell me how 
 to upgrade to 2.4 kernel and xfree86 4.  Possible apt lines to use.  Only 
 want kernel and x upgrade so sys is somewhat stable.  THANKS TO ANYONE FOR 
 THE HELP!!!

please adjust your mail client to wrap lines at 76 characters (should be in
the sending/text options of outlook express)

to get kernel 2.4 and xfree 4 add the following lines to you
/etc/apt/sources.list:
-- begin --
# Kernel 2.4
deb http://people.debian.org/~bunk/debian potato main
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~bunk/debian potato main
# XFree 4
deb http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha/ xf402_potato/i386/ 
-- end --

then do an apt-get update and an apt-get upgrade. to install the kernel you
can use apt-get install kernel-imageversion.

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Re: Is Redhat that bad - a question.

2001-05-19 Thread Alan Shutko
Bob Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Not if it ain't broke! I've never had any problems in 4 years of Debian
 use, with three different printers.  lprng + magicfilter + gs (if you
 aren't using a postscript printer).

Actually, printing in Linux as a whole sucks, and it should be fixed.
8^)

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Re: windows key

2001-05-19 Thread Philipp Lehman
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Brian Stults [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

A while back, I remapped the ms-windows key on my keyboard to open an
xterm.  The mapping was done through sawfish configuration.  I was
pleased to have a Microsoft-intended key open a program that is such a
bastion of *nix OS's.  Anyway, maybe 2-3 weeks ago, the key stopped
responding.  Not only does it not run an xterm, but it generates no code
whatsoever.  That is, when I type Ctrl-V and then hit the windows key,
nothing happens.  Could someone point me in the right direction, and
perhaps suggest a reason what would have caused the change?

How did you map the key with sawfish?

I'll try to outline the usual procedure, walking through the list
might help you find out what has changed.

Run xev, press the windows key and look for the keycode, e.g.:

KeyPress event, serial 27, synthetic NO, window 0x681,
root 0x26, subw 0x0, time 2443744271, (-148,-578), root:(826,78),
state 0x0, keycode 115 (keysym 0xffed, Hyper_L), same_screen YES,
   ^^^

Create $HOME/.Xmodmap and map the keycode to any _unused_ keysym, e.g.
(assuming you keyboard has function keys F1-F12, so F13- are not
used):

keycode 115 = F15

For a complete list of keysyms, see /usr/X11R6/include/X11/keysymdef.h
(you need to omit the XK_ prefix when using them with xmodmap).

Run xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap

Now you should be able to bind F15 to any action with sawfish. That's
why I was asking how you map a key with sawfish. I'd assume that
sawfish binds keysyms to actions, but doesn't now about raw keycodes.
But I haven't tried it myself, so this might be wrong.

To make this permanent, you need to run xmodmap whenever you launch
X. I think /etc/X11/Xsession will do this by default. If not, out the
line in ~/.xsession and/or ~/.xinitrc. HTH

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Re: windows key

2001-05-19 Thread Brian Stults
On 19 May 2001 17:43:05 +0200, Philipp Lehman wrote:
 Now you should be able to bind F15 to any action with sawfish. That's
 why I was asking how you map a key with sawfish. I'd assume that
 sawfish binds keysyms to actions, but doesn't now about raw keycodes.
 But I haven't tried it myself, so this might be wrong.
 

Thanks.  That was so easy.  You are right, I was really just changing
the binding in sawfish, not remapping.  What you suggested worked
perfectly and took all of 1 minute.


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Re: Is Redhat that bad - a question.

2001-05-19 Thread Dana J . Laude
On Fri, 18 May 2001 23:52:41 Dana J . Laude wrote:

 I'll post on this.  EVERY dist of linux has it's pro's and
 con's.  In favor of RH we actually HAD to use it due to the
 support of our DPT raid controller(s) on our two servers.
 
 I contacted SuSE about support, nada.  The code is free
 btw.  RH isn't exactly evil... you just have to set it up
 correctly.  (wow, what a concept!)  I run Debian by default,
 but then I'm open to varius dists.  
 
 I told SCO tech support how to support HST modems..., and
 they didn't charge me the normal rate of $100.00 per
 question.  Amazing! 
 
 Printing in Debian sucks, fix it. ;-(

First off, I apologize if I offended anyone.  I should
know better than to post after consuming to many brews.

As far as the printing goes, I'll see if I can contribute
something to fix it.  

Dana



Re: lprng problem. Problem Solved :-)

2001-05-19 Thread Dana J . Laude
On Sat, 19 May 2001 00:22:35 Joel Mayes wrote:
 Thanks to everyone who responded, both on and off list,
 I've installed CUPS and everything is now A-KO

Did you happen to use the debian packages, or did you
try the ones from cups.org?  I tried the .deb from
cups.org, although it seems you have to pay for canon
printer support.

Dana



Re: galeon compile

2001-05-19 Thread Dave Carrigan
Stephen E. Hargrove [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 how do i figure out what packages i need to install in order to have
 gdk-pixbuf.h and glade.h?  (i realize these are -dev packages -- i just
 don't know which ones.  i can't find a glade-dev...)

 $ apt-cache search gdk.*pixbuf.*dev
 libgdk-pixbuf-dev - The GdkPixBuf library - development files.
 libgdk-pixbuf-gnome-dev - The GNOME GdkPixBuf library - development files.
 $ apt-cache search gnome.*xml.*dev
 libxml++0-dev - A C++ interface to the GNOME XML library (libxml2)
 libxml-dev - Development files for the GNOME XML library
 libxml2-dev - Development files for the GNOME XML library
 $ apt-cache search glade.*dev
 glade-gnome - GTK+ User Interface Builder (with GNOME support)
 glade - GTK+ User Interface Builder
 libglade-gnome0-dev - Development files for libglade (Gnome widgets support).
 libglade0-dev - Development files for libglade.

Probably some or all of the above, although I don't know exactly which
ones.

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channging partition sizes without data loss

2001-05-19 Thread V.Suresh
 I want to shorten my 1 Gig root partition. To around 300-400 MB.
 Without losing data. I mean, just want to resize the partition.
 What software should I use? 
  
  
  
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apache doubt

2001-05-19 Thread V.Suresh
 Just wanted to try apache. Installed it. When I try to access 
 my server thru lynx localhost, it says  you dont have permissions
 to access the file in this server. How do I enable permissions?
 Note that I have no experience in running servers. Just  experimenting.

  
  
  
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Re: galeon compile

2001-05-19 Thread Stephen E. Hargrove
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On Sat, 19 May 2001, Ethan Benson wrote:

 go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages and at the bottom there
 is a file search form, this allows you to find what package owns any
 given file in the entire debian distribution.  including both stable
 and unstable branchs and arch != i386.

great!  thanks.  been there a thousand times and just never saw it.

make is now kicking the following.  anyone have any thoughts as to how i
should proceed?

bookmarks.o: In function `bookmarks_item_to_string':
/home/stephen/working/galeon-0.10.6/src/bookmarks.c:1158: undefined
reference to `xmlNewDoc'
/home/stephen/working/galeon-0.10.6/src/bookmarks.c:1162: undefined
reference to `xmlNewDocNode'
/home/stephen/working/galeon-0.10.6/src/bookmarks.c:1164: undefined
reference to `xmlDocSetRootElement'
/home/stephen/working/galeon-0.10.6/src/bookmarks.c:1165: undefined
reference to `xmlDocDumpMemory'
/home/stephen/working/galeon-0.10.6/src/bookmarks.c:1166: undefined
reference to `xmlFreeDoc'

snip

PromptService.o: In function `CPromptService::AlertCheck(nsIDOMWindow *,
unsigned short const *, unsigned short const *, unsigned short const *,
int *)':
/home/stephen/working/galeon-0.10.6/src/PromptService.cpp:125: undefined
reference to `glade_xml_get_widget'
/home/stephen/working/galeon-0.10.6/src/PromptService.cpp:126: undefined
reference to `glade_xml_get_widget'
/home/stephen/working/galeon-0.10.6/src/PromptService.cpp:127: undefined
reference to `glade_xml_get_widget'
PromptService.o:/home/stephen/working/galeon-0.10.6/src/PromptService.cpp:199:
more undefined references to `glade_xml_get_widget' follow
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [galeon-bin] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/stephen/working/galeon-0.10.6/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/stephen/working/galeon-0.10.6'
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Re: channging partition sizes without data loss

2001-05-19 Thread Marco Parrone
...
  I want to shorten my 1 Gig root partition. To around 300-400 MB.
  Without losing data. I mean, just want to resize the partition.
  What software should I use?
...

i think you should use parted, but i've never used it,
and i don't know if it work well or not.
you can see apt-cache show parted for info about it or search at
http://www.gnu.org in the software section.

bye



dhcp.conf and RoadRunner in Central Florida

2001-05-19 Thread arodriguez
Does any one have a clue about how the /etc/dhcpd.conf 
file should look like for RR in CFL? 
Thanks,
AR



Re: [users] Re: opera

2001-05-19 Thread MaD dUCK
also sprach Stephen E. Hargrove (on Fri, 18 May 2001 07:03:42PM -0500):
 i'm running woody and have it installed:

that's probably the problem - since i am running woody on one machine
where it works, and potato on the one where it doesn't.

but i should be able to install all these dependencies without apt-get
source!

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Re: [users] Re: opera

2001-05-19 Thread MaD dUCK
also sprach Brian Nelson (on Fri, 18 May 2001 09:12:57PM -0400):
 Can't say I'm all that impressed with it though.  The damn toolbar/ad
 crap takes up half the damn screen.  Maybe you're not missing out on
 much...

i have a registered version and i wouldn't want to substitute it for
any of skipstone/mozilla/netscape. it's fast, reliable, beautiful.

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Re: windows key

2001-05-19 Thread Philipp Lehman
On 19 May 2001, Brian Stults [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 19 May 2001 17:43:05 +0200, Philipp Lehman wrote:
 Now you should be able to bind F15 to any action with sawfish. That's
 why I was asking how you map a key with sawfish. I'd assume that
 sawfish binds keysyms to actions, but doesn't now about raw keycodes.
 But I haven't tried it myself, so this might be wrong.

Thanks.  That was so easy.  You are right, I was really just changing
the binding in sawfish, not remapping.  What you suggested worked
perfectly and took all of 1 minute.

BTW: IIRC sawfish supports custom modifier keys (i.e. modifiers apart 
from Ctrl, Alt, and Shift). What I do for the left windows key is:

keycode 115 = Hyper_L
add Mod2 = Hyper_L

I use Hyper_L for all bindings related to the window manager (thus
freeing Ctrl and Alt-based bindings). This makes it a perfect window
manager key.

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Re: dhcp.conf and RoadRunner in Central Florida

2001-05-19 Thread Allan Wind
On 2001-05-19 17:10:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does any one have a clue about how the /etc/dhcpd.conf 
 file should look like for RR in CFL? 

Why do you need to run a DHCP server?


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Re: apache doubt

2001-05-19 Thread Rolf Schillinger
Hi,
it depends on what you are trying to do. This message normally means that
the directory you wanna access (if you just do http://localhost/ it is the
DocumentRoot in httpd.conf) doesn`t have a index.html or whatever type is
configured in DirectoryIndexes in httpd.conf and additionally the Option
Indexes directive is not set for that directory. If this is set for the
dir in question apache will return a directory listing.
hth, Rolf

On Sat, 19 May 2001, V.Suresh wrote:

  Just wanted to try apache. Installed it. When I try to access 
  my server thru lynx localhost, it says  you dont have permissions
  to access the file in this server. How do I enable permissions?
  Note that I have no experience in running servers. Just  experimenting.
 
   
   
   
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Re: dhcp.conf and RoadRunner in Central Florida

2001-05-19 Thread arodriguez
According to the info I read, yes, but the truth is that 
I don't have a clue.
The connection is through a cable modem.
 On 2001-05-19 17:10:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Does any one have a clue about how the /etc/dhcpd.conf 
  file should look like for RR in CFL? 
 
 Why do you need to run a DHCP server?
 
 
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Printer Survey - Please respond

2001-05-19 Thread Len D
I have had lots of trouble getting my Lexmark 5700 to work in debian. I got 
it to work in SuSE 7.1 but I prefer debian.
I want to purchase a Linux debian supported printer.
If you would be so kind as to list the printer you use with debian I would be
most appreciative.

Also, if you might add a note with any special issues you faced getting it to 
work I would appreciate it.

Thanks again

Len



nautilus 1.0.3-2 won't start

2001-05-19 Thread Philipp Bliedung
hi

I apt-get nautilus from unstable and the installation went  without any
errors, but when I try to start it I get this error message:

nautilus: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared
object file: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory
error while loading shared libraries: nautilus: undefined symbol:
xmlCheckVersion

which package am I missing? What does the xmlCheck mean?
(originally I'm on a potato machine but I have  A LOT of stuff from
unstable, which I need for games and multimedia - so it could well be
that there is a package that I miss ... or maybe two ...)

any ideas?
thanks

Philipp





where is 'snmpd' at upgraded sid?

2001-05-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Hi there,

   i have updated my Linux system today (which have 'sid' instaled) only 
getting 5 new packages.
At the beggining all like to works ok but after finish this one (snmpd was 
one of the upgraded packages) snmpd (just snmp daemon) have disapired.


How is it?
i havent found this one using 'locate' so .. have snmpd goes out?
new name? new structure?
???

Seeya and thank by advance.



Re: dhcp.conf and RoadRunner in Central Florida

2001-05-19 Thread Hall Stevenson
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010519 13:48]:

 According to the info I read, yes, but the truth is that I don't have
 a clue. The connection is through a cable modem.

   Does any one have a clue about how the /etc/dhcpd.conf 
   file should look like for RR in CFL? 
  
  Why do you need to run a DHCP server?


You need to run a DHCP *client*, not a server. There's a package,
surprisingly enough, dhcp-client ;-) I track unstable Debian, but I
would hope and assume it's also available for others.

Hall



Re: channging partition sizes without data loss

2001-05-19 Thread Brian Stults
Marco Parrone wrote:
 
 ...
   I want to shorten my 1 Gig root partition. To around 300-400 MB.
   Without losing data. I mean, just want to resize the partition.
   What software should I use?
 ...
 
 i think you should use parted, but i've never used it,
 and i don't know if it work well or not.
 you can see apt-cache show parted for info about it or search at
 http://www.gnu.org in the software section.
 

I second this suggestion.  I've used parted many, many times to resize
and copy partitions, and I have been amazed at its functionality and
stability.  Go to gnu.org to read its documentation.

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Re: where is 'snmpd' at upgraded sid?

2001-05-19 Thread Colin Watson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i have updated my Linux system today (which have 'sid' instaled) only 
getting 5 new packages.
At the beggining all like to works ok but after finish this one (snmpd was 
one of the upgraded packages) snmpd (just snmp daemon) have disapired.

How is it?
i havent found this one using 'locate' so .. have snmpd goes out?
new name? new structure?

It's a bug (bug #97965, to be exact).

  http://bugs.debian.org/

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Re: Running X apps in Windows

2001-05-19 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, May 19, 2001 at 06:43:11PM +1000, Damon Muller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
 Quoth Joel Mayes, 
  On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 05:33:46PM -0500, Jonathan Daugherty wrote:
   Does anyone know of a FREE package allowing one to run an X app on a
   linux box in such a way that it can be used across a network on a
   windows box, in the same way that X apps can be run over networks?
 
  G'day Jonathan,
  
  You might look at LINE, a program that attempts to be for windows what WINE 
  is for Linux, it's still in Alpha development.
  
  http://line.sourceforge.net/
 
 Try WeirdX 
 
 http://www.jcraft.com/weirdx/
 
 It's a free X implementation in Java which runs on Windows. 

Interesting.  How's performance?

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Re: Mozilla M18-3 SSL support? (was Re: Unable to gain access to secure sites)

2001-05-19 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, May 19, 2001 at 01:13:22AM -0800, Ethan Benson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
 On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 07:43:44PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
  on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:00:07AM +0800, Tham Kine Seng ([EMAIL 
  PROTECTED]) wrote:
   Hi to all,
 I'm a newbie to Linux sys and I need some help here. I am unable to
   access secure sites using mozilla and netscape
  
  For Netscape, there are packages available, responded to elsewhere.
  
  For Mozilla the problem's a bit trickier.  Up until Moz 0.8, security
  was bundled separately under a PSM (personal security manager?)
  package.  In 0.8+, security support is bundled into the main build and
  PSM is AFAIK fully withdrawn.  Unfortunately, Debian still bundles
  M18-3, which relies on PSM.  My understanding is that this leaves you
  shit out of luck.  Anyone with data otherwise is welcome to respond.
  
  If you're pulling unofficial debs or working from tarballs, you my have
  SSL support by default.
 
 deb http://www.debian.or.jp/~kitame/mozilla/ ./
 
 unofficial, but real debian packages made by a real debian developer.
 they are the same packages as potato's M18, just with 0.9.  they are
 compiled for unstable-i386 so if you use potato (or arch != i386) you
 must apt-get source and build the packages locally.  this is not hard
 to do so long as you install everything listed in it's build-depends.

Anyone got experience with this under Woody?  I think I've tried
upgrading to unofficial debs but got locked in some dependency
conflicts.

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Re: potato or woody?

2001-05-19 Thread Bill Wohler
Stefano [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I'm going to install debian gnu/linux on a new computer and I'm
 wondering if woody is stable enough. What would you suggest me: potato
 or woody?

  I find that the biggest problem with woody is the update process.
  Packages are often installed with broken dependencies. Once I
  finally get a clean install, the software itself works just fine. It
  can be extremely frustrating, but this is the price you pay to stay
  on the bleeding edge.

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Re: Using /dev/dsp?

2001-05-19 Thread Cameron Matheson
Hey,

I have a Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI.  It works great w/ Alsa on /dev/dsp0, but
I was wondering if I could also have /dev/dsp[123] point to my Ensoniq too,
so that i could listen to tunes, play games, etc.

Cameron Matheson


On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 10:59:38AM -0400, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
 On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 09:00:03PM -0600, Cameron Matheson wrote:
  Hey,
  
  I have a bunch /dev/dsp's (/dev/dsp is a symlink to /dev/dsp0, but I also 
  have
  /dev/dsp[123],etc).  I can't use them though...  Are they only available if 
  you
  have multiple sound cards, or how can i access them (i want to be able to 
  play
  mp3s and have sound in gaim, etc)
 
 dsp is short for digital signal processor. To have one of these devices,
 you need a modern soundcard. My /dev/dsp is the interface to my emu10k1 module
 driving my SBLive! Value card. At work, with a crystal sound card, it's a
 symlink to /dev/dsp0 and interfaces with alsa. 
 What soundcard do you have?
 
 Mike
 
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Re: Is Redhat that bad - a question.

2001-05-19 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 11:42:41AM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote:
 
 Actually, printing in Linux as a whole sucks, and it should be fixed.
 8^)

Hmm. As long as apps produce postscript or ASCII I've been fine. When they
go non-standard then I have a problem. There's some abstraction required, so
that developers don't need to learn to output postscript, but isn't that what
packages like gnome-print are for?

*shrug* Keep it simple. 

Mike

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Re: apache doubt

2001-05-19 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 05:11:01PM +0600, V.Suresh wrote:
  Just wanted to try apache. Installed it. When I try to access 
  my server thru lynx localhost, it says  you dont have permissions
  to access the file in this server. How do I enable permissions?
  Note that I have no experience in running servers. Just  experimenting.

Check the permissions on the file. httpd usually runs as user nobody, so
you need to have read permission set. 

Mike

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problem using Wacom tablet with XFree 4.0.3

2001-05-19 Thread Bas van der Peet
Hi. 
I'm having problems getting my Wacom Intuos USB graphical tablet to work 
with XFree 4.0.3. 
I have uses the howto as my guide and I got it to work with gpm but when 
running X I get a lot of these errors in the logfile:

Wacom write error : Unknown error 1007
Wacom unable to read first byte of request '~#' answer after 3 tries

later on the write error changes to Unknown error 1013

sometimes I also get other numbers but 1007 seems to return frequently.

So what does this mean (unknown error isn't very helpfull) and what do I 
do about it?

Thanks, Bas



Re: Using /dev/dsp?

2001-05-19 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 12:54:45PM -0600, Cameron Matheson wrote:
 Hey,
 
 I have a Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI.  It works great w/ Alsa on /dev/dsp0, but
 I was wondering if I could also have /dev/dsp[123] point to my Ensoniq too,
 so that i could listen to tunes, play games, etc.

So currently /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp0 are different devices? Are you sure
that /dev/dsp isn't a symlink? Maybe you should make it one. 

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Re: nautilus 1.0.3-2 won't start

2001-05-19 Thread Erik Steffl
Philipp Bliedung wrote:
 
 hi
 
 I apt-get nautilus from unstable and the installation went  without any
 errors, but when I try to start it I get this error message:
 
 nautilus: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared
 object file: cannot load shared object file: No such file or directory
 error while loading shared libraries: nautilus: undefined symbol:
 xmlCheckVersion

  it works here on 'pure' unstable, just installed it.

 which package am I missing? What does the xmlCheck mean?
 (originally I'm on a potato machine but I have  A LOT of stuff from
 unstable, which I need for games and multimedia - so it could well be
 that there is a package that I miss ... or maybe two ...)

  then why not have unstable?

  my experience is that unstable is the best way to go for a computer
that is not mission critical... I have been using unstable most of the
time since the time potato was unstable and had no major problems.

  I tried testing for some time but as far as I can tell it combines the
worst of both words:

  - you don't have the latest stuff (which is important in lot of cases
- e.g. kernel etc...), the gap is often in range of months

  - the fixes are slow to come (weeks in testing compared to days in
unstable)

  I had considerably less problems since I switched back to unstable
about a month ago...

  that leaves you with two choices - unstable and stable. since stable
is too 'old' for you then obvious choice is unstable... you do not gain
any stability by combining the unstable and stble, you actually loose
some as shown by the nautilus problem... that's just IMO, of course...

erik



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