Re: xserver-svga geforce2 woes

[Kyle Girard]

Upgrading to XFree86 4 from and either using the "nv" driver or the "nvidia" driver from nvidia should solve your X problem... 
but you won't be using the SVGA server although I don't know why you would want to use it .  
I'm using nvidia's drivers  on a TNT and my housemate's on a Geforce and we've had no problems... 

UT runs like water  :o)

Kyle


On 08 Jul 2001 20:43:42 -0700, Patrick Gray wrote: 

hello.

i have been toying with the idea of switching to debian gnu/linux as my main OS (as opposed to win98), so i partitioned off an extra 5 gigs of space for me to experiment with getting everything running all smoothly before i commit myself to a bunch of data loss, and a couple nights of kicking myself for even considering switching.

i have run the install process about 5 times now.  everything console based comes up fine, like a dream even.  but i'm having some issues with X.  i run a pentium3 933, the graphics card being an nVidia GeForce2 GTS the monitor is a Sony Multiscan 420GS.  the XF86Setup program comes up fine, but if i tell it to use the SVGA server it chokes.  well okay, it doesn't choke, but it displays junk on the screen (irrelevant junk, mostly lines and dots).  i'm not saying that it comes up to anything readable either, it *just* displays junk.  if i CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE out, it doesn't even reinitialize the console, the junk just turns to black and white.  only a reboot will bring it back.

i've installed woody, i've installed potato, hell i've even installed unstable, but nothing will stop this from happening...the SVGA server is crucial for me.

and while i'm asking questions, i can't seem to get KDE to be the default window manager.  it always brings up xdm or some other clone with little to no use.  any ideas would be helpful.

thank you in advance.

 




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Re: Apache.pm failed to load

[Tommy Wu]

scheme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That seems to be partially related to perl package. As I downgraded to 
> the packages apache-common and apache-perl found in potato 2.2r3, it 
> refused to work as well, though the message was not that Apache.pm 
> cannot be loaded but "httpd could not be started".

   I've the same problem here.
   You can disable the mod_perl support for apache, if you don't need perl 
support.
   This work for me.

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asus a7v-e mobo and debian

[Jason Majors]

I'm getting an asus a7v-e (with the VIA Apollo KT133 which has the VIA VT8363
UDMA controller). I'd like to know if anybody on the list has any experience
with getting one of these chips to communicate with Linux. I have kernel 2.2.19
but did not see any options for this chip specifically. Will I have to upgrade
to 2.4? Or can I get it to run at UDMA100 or even just at UDMA33 on a 2.2
kernel? 33MBps is more than enough throughput for the 20MBps hard drive I have
(everything else is on a SCSI card).

Thanks,
Jason

OT // Re: [Newbiedoc-discuss] Re: cvs server saga -- continued

[will trillich]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 11:10:15PM -0400, D-Man wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 09:58:29PM -0500, will trillich wrote:
> 
> | now that i've renamed the huge logfiles (syslog and
> | daemon.log among them) i've restarted various servers
> | (mysql, postgresql, apache) but how to i re-establish new
> | "syslog" and "daemon.log" entries? surely a windo~1 style
> | restart is unnecessary...? 
> 
> Maybe just "touch syslog damon.log"?  

i did that, but it didn't seem to be all that was needed.
i got 'round to "telinit 1" and then falling through back to
runlevel 2 and all is well. (uptime is still there. whew! :)

> | up 296 days, 22:18,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.38, 1.21
> 
> Nice!  I certainly hope you have a UPS too.

you bet. it's a clunky-looking monster, but it occupies an
appropriate spot in the basement for just such a beast.

my secondary system wasn't on the ups circuit, and all i could
get was 60 days or so before a storm would knock out power for a
half-second brownout. zap! uptime all gone.

now all my significant computing is ups'd. (any noun -- even
acronyms -- can be verbed if you know how to munge the lingo
properly...) but i to switch off power to the monitors when
expecting to be away for any length of time...

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STB Velocity 4400

[Jonathan Daugherty]

Hello all,

I just recently came into a STB Velocity 4400 agp graphics card.  I know it's 
TNT-based.  Can anyone give me an opinion on this card, including feelings about
support, compatibility for 3d gaming in linux, etc?

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The University of Georgia

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Apache.pm failed to load

[scheme]

;; Please cc to me for I'm not subscribing debian-user list.

I'm using woody on PIII. I found since June 26 or so when I dist-upgrade 
the system, my apache server reported "Apache.pm failed to load" and 
refused to work.


Does anybody know how to solve the problem?

That seems to be partially related to perl package. As I downgraded to 
the packages apache-common and apache-perl found in potato 2.2r3, it 
refused to work as well, though the message was not that Apache.pm 
cannot be loaded but "httpd could not be started".


Best!

xserver-svga geforce2 woes

[Patrick Gray]

hello.
i have been toying with the idea of switching to debian gnu/linux as my main OS (as opposed to win98), so i partitioned off an extra 5 gigs of space for me to experiment with getting everything running all smoothly before i commit myself to a bunch of data loss, and a couple nights of kicking myself for even considering switching.
i have run the install process about 5 times now.  everything console based comes up fine, like a dream even.  but i'm having some issues with X.  i run a pentium3 933, the graphics card being an nVidia GeForce2 GTS the monitor is a Sony Multiscan 420GS.  the XF86Setup program comes up fine, but if i tell it to use the SVGA server it chokes.  well okay, it doesn't choke, but it displays junk on the screen (irrelevant junk, mostly lines and dots).  i'm not saying that it comes up to anything readable either, it *just* displays junk.  if i CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE out, it doesn't even reinitialize the console, the junk just turns to black and white.  only a reboot will bring it back.
i've installed woody, i've installed potato, hell i've even installed unstable, but nothing will stop this from happening...the SVGA server is crucial for me.
and while i'm asking questions, i can't seem to get KDE to be the default window manager.  it always brings up xdm or some other clone with little to no use.  any ideas would be helpful.
thank you in advance.
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Re: help! can't start X anymore

[Andrew Kae]

Hi,
 
I'm kinda digging up this thread from april becuause i'm having the same problem and there didn't seem to be a definite answer to the thread.
 
I've been using xfree86-common 3.35 then decided to update to the testing-distribution and now i have xfree86-common 4.something 
 
When I tried startx i got:
 
$ startx
 
Can't stat /etc/X11/X (cuz it doesn't exist)
 
ok, i tried making a link from /usr/X11R6/bin/X to /etc/X11
then i got another error message, something about wrapping back to /etc/X11.
I'm sorry i don't remember the exact message, i'm writing this from windows 98.
 
then i tried copying /usr/X11R6/bin/X to /etc/X11
then got another error message.
 
From the previous thread in April, it seemed the only way to fix this problem was to downgrade the packages.  I'm hoping that by now, some fix has been discovered?
 
Thanks for any replies,
 
Drew
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Re: Internet connection

[John Hasler]

D-Man writes:
> Why do you say the [/dev/modem] link is a bad idea (serious question)?

Locking.
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Re: cvs server saga -- continued

[D-Man]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 09:58:29PM -0500, will trillich wrote:

|   now that i've renamed the huge logfiles (syslog and
|   daemon.log among them) i've restarted various servers
|   (mysql, postgresql, apache) but how to i re-establish new
|   "syslog" and "daemon.log" entries? surely a windo~1 style
|   restart is unnecessary...? 

Maybe just "touch syslog damon.log"?  

| up 296 days, 22:18,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.38, 1.21

Nice!  I certainly hope you have a UPS too.

-D

Re: Internet connection

[D-Man]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 08:24:33PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
| Kent writes:
| > /dev/modem is usually a symbolic link to the actual ttySx; either tell
| > wvdial to use /dev/ttyS1 instead of /dev/modem, or create the link with
| > the command "ln -s /dev/ttyS1 /dev/modem".
| 
| Please do the former.  The link is a bad idea.

Why do you say the link is a bad idea (serious question)?  

I like the link technique because then all programs can call the modem
"modem" and similarly call the mouse "mouse" and the cdrom "cdrom"
rather than configuring each program to use the proper ttySx or psaux
or usbmouse or hdx or sdx or whatever the device really is.  I have a
link /dev/cdrom that points to the real drive, /dev/hdc.

-D

cvs server saga -- continued

[will trillich]

i'm still trying to get a cvs/repository SERVER going on my
potato system -- by (thanks for the link, Jesse) following the
instrux on http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html -- but:

will$ df -h /var
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda7 1.5G  1.4G   11M  99% /var

whoa!

will$ find /var/log -mtime -2 -size +1 | xargs /bin/ls -l
-rw-r-  1 root  adm   253149058 Jul  8 20:53 /var/log/daemon.log
-rw-r-  1 root  adm9427462 Jul  8 07:12 /var/log/daemon.log.0
-rw-r-  1 root  adm   262587300 Jul  8 20:53 /var/log/syslog
-rw-r-  1 root  adm   100422839 Jul  8 06:39 /var/log/syslog.0

runaway train!

mutt showed me four logcheck reports (after a nice, long wait
while it counted lines) about this size:

 856 N  Jul 08 root   (613129) server 07/08/01:05.02 system check   
  

(that's 613 THOUSAND lines of noteworthy log messages [according
to logcheck] in an hour!)

most of which contained TONS of this:
...
Jul  8 04:02:26 server tcpd[31924]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:26 server tcpd[31928]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:26 server tcpd[31924]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:26 server tcpd[31928]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:26 server tcpd[31924]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:26 server tcpd[31928]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:26 server tcpd[31924]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:26 server tcpd[31928]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:26 server tcpd[31924]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:26 server tcpd[31928]: connect from 192.168.1.2
   
Jul  8 04:02:27 server tcpd[31924]: connect from 192.168.1.2

Jul  8 04:02:27 server tcpd[31928]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:27 server tcpd[31924]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:27 server tcpd[31928]: connect from 192.168.1.2
Jul  8 04:02:27 server tcpd[31924]: connect from 192.168.1.2
...

holy cow!

(192.168.1.2 is my secondary linux box where i do most of my
testing; this is from 192.168.1.1 aka 'server')

the only think i can think of that i've done in the past few
hours is get cvs mostly up...

aha. sure enough. 'top' showed me where i went wrong -- ps
reveals these two:

31924 ?   R   559:22 tcpd /usr/bin/cvs --allow-root=/usr/local/site/cvsroot 
pserver
31928 ?   R   559:06 tcpd /usr/bin/cvs --allow-root=/usr/local/site/cvsroot 
pserver

boy that's a lot-o-cpu time.

that's from the cvsbook 'use tcp wrappers' idea in inetd.conf
(or xinetd.conf) which i may have gotten wrong. but now, the
immediate question is not "how do i set up a cvs server" but
rather--

now that i've renamed the huge logfiles (syslog and
daemon.log among them) i've restarted various servers
(mysql, postgresql, apache) but how to i re-establish new
"syslog" and "daemon.log" entries? surely a windo~1 style
restart is unnecessary...? 

up 296 days, 22:18,  1 user,  load average: 0.08, 0.38, 1.21

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Preparing to UPGRADE POSTGRESQL? If you have a second machine
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there, first: you can have your current applications link to
the remote database through the network:
psql -h 192.168.2.17 myDB
or in perl,
$dbh = DBI->connect('dbi:Pg:dbname=myDB;host=192.168.2.17');
(You may need to tweak your 'host-based access' settings in
/etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf, first.) Once you're satisfied that
all is well, upgrade your main server. No down time!
  See "man psql" and "man DBD::Pg" for details.

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Re: Frame buffer at boot

[Jeld The Dark Elf]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 09:15:33PM +0200, Fr?d?ric de Villamil wrote:
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Re: NO! chmod strikes!

[JoshNarins]

Thanks for the very full explanation. 

Sigh.

Reinstall? I have done fresh installs many
times. Sorry I don't know the drill for reinstalls.

I could move the stuff I want to save to one parti
tion, and then reinstall on just / and /boot?


Josh Narins


PS Tough to type like that :)

Re: Starting mail retrieval agent: system-wide fetchmail not configured

[Shaul Karl]

> when i boot woody it says:
> 
> Starting mail retrieval agent: system-wide fetchmail not configured
> 


I hope the following might help:

[05:42:42 tmp]$ head -19 /etc/init.d/fetchmail
#!/bin/sh
#
# Fetchmail/fetchmail-ssl init script
# $Id: fetchmail.init,v 1.16 2001/05/13 17:41:19 hmh Exp $
#
# A fetchmailrc file containg hosts and passwords for all 
# local users should be placed in /etc/fetchmailrc.
# Remember to make the /etc/fetchmailrc mode 600 to avoid
# disclosing the users' passwords
#
# This script will NOT start or stop fetchmail if the 
# /etc/fetchmailrc file does not exist.  Also, remember to
# stop fetchmail first when changing RUNASROOT.
#
# Don't muck around with SERVICE, use dpkg-reconfigure to
# change it; unless you have the fetchmail user properly
# setup, that is.
#

[05:42:50 tmp]$ 

You might also be interested in /etc/default/fetchmail
 

> and when i run fetchmail -v its puts this out:
> 
> 
> fetchmail: 5.8.3 querying pop3.account.de (protocol POP3) at Sun Jul  8
> 20:18:28 2001
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK ready  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> fetchmail: POP3> CAPA fetchmail: POP3< +OK Capability list follows
> fetchmail: POP3< TOP
> fetchmail: POP3< PIPELINING
> fetchmail: POP3< USER
> fetchmail: POP3< EXPIRE NEVER
> fetchmail: POP3< UIDL
> fetchmail: POP3< RESP-CODES
> fetchmail: POP3< AUTH-RESP-CODE
> fetchmail: POP3< X-MANGLE
> fetchmail: POP3< X-MACRO
> fetchmail: POP3< X-LOCALTIME Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:22:01 +0200
> fetchmail: POP3< .
> fetchmail: POP3> USER user fetchmail: POP3< +OK Password required for user.
> fetchmail: POP3> PASS * fetchmail: POP3< +OK user has 5 visible messages (0
> hidden) in 15303 octets.
> fetchmail: POP3> STAT
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 15303
> fetchmail: POP3> LAST
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK 0 is the last read message.
> 5 messages for user at pop3.account.de (15303 octets).
> fetchmail: POP3> LIST fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 visible messages (15303 octets)
> fetchmail: POP3< 1 4584
> fetchmail: POP3< 2 2555
> fetchmail: POP3< 3 3185
> fetchmail: POP3< 4 2322
> fetchmail: POP3< 5 2657
> fetchmail: POP3< .
> fetchmail: POP3> TOP 1 
> fetchmail: POP3< +OK Message follows
> reading message 1 of 5 (4584 octets)
> .**.*fetchmail:
> SIGPIPE thrown from an MDA or a stream socket error
> fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET)
> fetchmail: normal termination, status 2
> fetchmail: terminated with signal 13
> 
> i think my eximconfig and fetchmailrc are correct.
> 
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Re: Installing device drivers

[Shaul Karl]

> I recently have decided to install Debian on my computer after a long 
> absence from the Linux world.  However, I bought a cheap Winmodem and 
> after a long, involved search I have actually found a device driver for 
> Linux.  



Can you post the URL? Have you tried looking in http://www.linmodems.org 



> After consulting with a couple of friends, none of us were able 
> to figure out, remember, or actually find (in the man pages) how to 
> install device drivers for hardware not supported in the kernel.  I have 
> not actually installed Debian yet (because of the modem), I can install 
> the driver during the install.
> 
> Basically, my question comes down to this:  if I put the driver on to a 
> 3.5" diskette, does it need to be zipped (as I downloaded it) or unzipped?
> 
> Thank you...DAVE
> 
> 
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Re: xv alternatives

[Joey Hess]

Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> Hmm. 
> 
> I'd argue that this is what good coding is for. 

Even good coders make mistakes. My resource limits have saved my system
from OOM due to badly behaved code I was writing or debugging,
accidental fork bombs (yes, it can be done!), etc, more times than I can
count.

-- 
see shy jo

Re: NO! chmod strikes! -- ooopss

[Alvin Oga]

On 8 Jul 2001, David Z Maze wrote:

> Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> AO> if you only wanted to change the local dot files... oh well...
> AO> we all learn and remember the hard way... :-)
> AO>   shoulda been:  chmod pattern  ~/.*
> 
> ...which will still catch ~/. and ~/.., which you don't want.

yeah... oooppss  was just merrily typing ...

sorry for the boo-boo .. hope nobody ran that command

chmod pattern .[a-z]*
.bashrc, .bash_history, .bash_profile, .login, .profile,
.rhosts,  etc...  

but than again...that will change the .elm, .netscape too
so you'd need more twiddling 

and if ya make a mistake or afraid to run a command...
backup the stuff first...than try it... or read up first..
if it gets brokentake advantage of it..and try to fix it...

learning new ways to break things and fix things is sometimes fun ??

have fun linuxing
alvin

> (Particularly as root, whose home directory is conventionally /root;
> /root/.. is the system root directory, which gets you back into the
> same mess that you started as.)
> 
> A good reminder: if you're not sure about what you're doing, it's a
> good idea to (a) not run them as a priviledged user (root) without
> checking first, and (b) check commands you're not sure of by putting
> 'echo' on the front first to see what the shell will turn them into.
> 
> -- 
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> "Theoretical politics is interesting.  Politicking should be illegal."
>   -- Abra Mitchell
> 
> 
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PS/2 mouse problems

[Khavkine Igor]

I have an Asus P5A motherboard and I'm
running Linux-2.4.5, custom compiled.

I have a problem using my PS/2 mouse port.
I have enabled PS/2 mouse support in
the kernel. I get this message
when the computer boots up:
 ...
 Starting kswapd v1.8
 Detected PS/2 Mouse Port.   <---
 pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
 ...
However when I try to use the mouse
with gpm or X, it just doesn't work!
(I've tried protocols, PS/2 and microsoft).
I've noticed that /proc/interrupts
does not contain a line for interrupt
12, which is supposed to be reserved for
PS/2. I think this could be a symptom
of something, but I don't know what.

I've tried disabling and enabling
PS/2 support from the BIOS, but neither
option has any effect.

If anyone could shed some light on this
situation or offer any advice, they'd
be more then welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Igor


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Re: NO! chmod strikes!

[Paul D. Smith]

%% [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  j> 1.  ( ) text/plain  (*) text/html   

No need for HTML on the mailing list.

  j> I tried, in a subdir of /root, the command
  j> chmod -R o-rwx .*
  j> It changed the permissions on the parent directory,
  j> the parent's parent directory, all the way up.
  j> Now only root can use my computer.
  j> Was chmod supposed to understand .* so differently
  j> than /bin/ls does?

Both chmod -R and ls -R behave the same way.  However, your description
above is not actually what happens, and I haven't seen anyone else here
correct it in so many words.  So, just to be clear:

Remember that the shell expands all wildcards, not the application.  So,
supposing you had these files/directories in your current working
directory:

 .  ..  .foo  .bar  .biz  baz  boz

Then, the command "chmod -R o-rwx .*" is identical (from the point of
view of chmod, which only gets the postprocessed commandline) to having
typed this:

 chmod -R o-rwx . .. .foo .bar .biz


_Neither_ ls nor chmod (nor any other tool that recurses that I've ever
heard of) will follow ".." in a directory as it's recursing.

However, if you give ".." on the command line, of course it will operate
on that directory just like it would any other directory on the command
line.

The upshot is, "chmod -R o-rwx .." will change the permissions in the
parent directory and all of its subdirectories, recursively; it will
start from the directory above the current directory and walk down.

It will _NOT_ walk back _up_ the tree any further up from the parent.

Ditto for "find", "ls", "diff -r", etc. etc.

So, the what happened here depends on your working directory.  If you
ran the command in /root (or any other directory which is an immediate
subdirectory of /), then the chmod started at / and your entire system
got chmod'd and your system is relatively screwed.

If you ran it from a deeper directory, say /root/foo, then only the files
under /root were changed; that may be less terminal.


BTW, the best way to do what you wanted to do is this:

  $ chmod -R o-owx .[!.]*

That will change everything, recursively, beginning with a ".", except
"." and "..".  Modern shells also accept the more standard RE format:

  $ chmod -R o-owx .[^.]*

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Re: Broken Library : How to fix?

[John Patton]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm having a little trouble installing the python-base package on a 
> Potato system.
> 
> Here's where it gets up to:
> 
> (Reading database ... 30058 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking python-base (from .../python-base_1.5.2-10potato11_i386.deb) ...
> Setting up python-base (1.5.2-10potato11) ...
> python: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.3: cannot open 
> shared object file: No such file or directo y   
> 
> So it looks like libreadline is broken. How do I fix this? I can't
> even figure out which package libreadline.so.3 is part of.

You can find which package owns a file by going
to the bottom of the debian packages page
(http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages) and entering the
file name in the "Search the Contents of the Latest Release"
search field. libreadline.so.3, as it turns out, doesn't
exist, but you can probably get away with creating a symlink
to libreadline.so.4, like so:

ln -s /lib/readline.so.4 /lib/readline.so.3

-- 
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Get my GnuPG public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

"Love conquers all things; let us too surrender to Love."
- Virgil, Eclogues

Re: NO! chmod strikes!

[David Z Maze]

Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
AO> if you only wanted to change the local dot files... oh well...
AO> we all learn and remember the hard way... :-)
AO> shoulda been:  chmod pattern  ~/.*

...which will still catch ~/. and ~/.., which you don't want.
(Particularly as root, whose home directory is conventionally /root;
/root/.. is the system root directory, which gets you back into the
same mess that you started as.)

A good reminder: if you're not sure about what you're doing, it's a
good idea to (a) not run them as a priviledged user (root) without
checking first, and (b) check commands you're not sure of by putting
'echo' on the front first to see what the shell will turn them into.

-- 
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"Theoretical politics is interesting.  Politicking should be illegal."
-- Abra Mitchell

Re: Help: pppd broken in Testing

[Miles Bader]

> Now  I'm away I cannot connect. The modem connects ok but then
> pppd terminates:-

> Serial connection established
> transfer_ppp failed: wanted unit 0, got 1
> Hangup (SIGHUP)
> Exit

> Can anyone tell me what is wrong?

I can't tell you what's wrong, but I had the same problem, and worked
around it by disabling demand-dialing mode: comment out the line in
/etc/ppp/peers/provider that says `demand', by changing it to `#demand'.
This means that ppp will connect immediately, and stay connected instead
of waiting until you try to access the net.  If you don't use
demand-dialing mode, then I'm not sure what you can do...

[it's a good thing that there's this work-around, since otherwise I
wouldn't be able to download any fixed version!]

The bug seems to have crept in in the most recent version, btw, as it
exists in 2.4.1-2, but not 2.4.1-1.

-Miles
-- 
Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra.  Suddenly it flips over,
pinning you underneath.  At night the ice weasels come.  --Nietzsche

Re: NO! chmod strikes!

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya josh

the .* told it to change it to the directory above it too...

geez what fun

if you only wanted to change the local dot files... oh well...
we all learn and remember the hard way... :-)
shoulda been:  chmod pattern  ~/.*

an easy fix might be: 

( your system might/is hosed anyway..might as well play 
( around a bit and experiment -- see if you can undo the damage

cd /root
find . -type d -exec chmod 775 {} \;
find . -typAe f -exec chmod 644 {} \;

and change to the other dirs ( / and all dirs at / ) 
and do the same..

if you did other commands too  that'd be harder to fix

c ya
alvin

On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Alan Shutko wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > Is there any chance chmod -R o-rwx .* started working
> > on subdirectories of / ?
> 
> Yes, since that's what -R means.  Your system is hosed.  Reinstall.
> 

Re: Internet connection

[John Hasler]

Kent writes:
> /dev/modem is usually a symbolic link to the actual ttySx; either tell
> wvdial to use /dev/ttyS1 instead of /dev/modem, or create the link with
> the command "ln -s /dev/ttyS1 /dev/modem".

Please do the former.  The link is a bad idea.
-- 
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

Re: Swapping /usr and /

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya dave...

no, am agreeing with you...

dont need rescue disk, unless something goes wrong..
but am adding that the rescue disk should be standalone with
its own root fs so that things can be fixed
( if its not stand alone... its not a rescue disk 
( but a mere "boot disk" which is NOT what we need here 
(
( boot disks needs a working root fs plus all its goodies

and yes.. lilo needs to be re-run since things been moved around

have fun linuxing
alvin
http://www.Linux-Sec.net


On 8 Jul 2001, Dave Carrigan wrote:

> Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > hi ya dave, original poster
> > 
> > the "rescue disk" must be standalone .. because
> > the current / fs might be corrupted during the copying for stuff around...
> > or your a live cdrom will do the trick too
> 
> I have gone to single user mode and moved / to a different partition
> many times, and I have never had to do it by booting from a rescue disk.
> 
> The only thing that may get "corrupted" is the lilo boot record, and
> it's not really corrupted, it's just that the kernel sectors are no
> longer in the place the boot record thinks they were. That is why I
> included lilo as one of the steps.
> 
> To repeat: there is absolutely no need for a rescue disk, except to bail
> yourself out if something elso goes wrong.
> 
> Perhaps you are thinking of resizing partitions (i.e., with parted). In
> that case, you need to boot from something other than /, because the
> partition to be resized cannot be mounted.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: NO! chmod strikes!

[Alan Shutko]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Is there any chance chmod -R o-rwx .* started working
> on subdirectories of / ?

Yes, since that's what -R means.  Your system is hosed.  Reinstall.

-- 
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Do not think by infection, catching an opinion like a cold.

Re: Swapping /usr and /

[Dave Carrigan]

Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> hi ya dave, original poster
> 
> the "rescue disk" must be standalone .. because
> the current / fs might be corrupted during the copying for stuff around...
>   or your a live cdrom will do the trick too

I have gone to single user mode and moved / to a different partition
many times, and I have never had to do it by booting from a rescue disk.

The only thing that may get "corrupted" is the lilo boot record, and
it's not really corrupted, it's just that the kernel sectors are no
longer in the place the boot record thinks they were. That is why I
included lilo as one of the steps.

To repeat: there is absolutely no need for a rescue disk, except to bail
yourself out if something elso goes wrong.

Perhaps you are thinking of resizing partitions (i.e., with parted). In
that case, you need to boot from something other than /, because the
partition to be resized cannot be mounted.

Regards,

-- 
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UNIX-Apache-Perl-Linux-Firewalls-LDAP-C-DNS | teens wearing MADRAS shorts and
Seattle, WA, USA| ``Flock of Seagulls'' HAIRCUTS!
http://www.rudedog.org/ | 

Broken Library : How to fix?

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

Hi all,

I'm having a little trouble installing the python-base package on a 
Potato system.

Here's where it gets up to:

(Reading database ... 30058 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking python-base (from .../python-base_1.5.2-10potato11_i386.deb) ...
Setting up python-base (1.5.2-10potato11) ...
python: error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.3: cannot open 
shared object file: No such file or directo y   

So it looks like libreadline is broken. How do I fix this? I can't
even figure out which package libreadline.so.3 is part of.

Any help appreciated.

Regards,
Erik
-- 
-
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-
J. Headley: "God, root, what is difference ?"
G. Haverland: "God can change the byte order on the CPU, root can't."

Re: Swapping /usr and /

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya dave, original poster

the "rescue disk" must be standalone .. because
the current / fs might be corrupted during the copying for stuff around...
or your a live cdrom will do the trick too

have fun
alvin

On 7 Jul 2001, Dave Carrigan wrote:

> Andrew Overholt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > After install potato on my laptop, I realize that I would like to swap the
> > partitions for /usr and / .. any idea how I can do this safely?  I managed
> > to swap /home and /usr with little hassle but I'm kinda more concerned
> > about / and /usr.
> 
> If / can fit completely on /usr (or vice-versa), then this is easy.
> 
> 1. Go to single user mode
> 
> 2. Move everything currently in /usr to 1 lower directory:
> 
>cd /usr; mkdir usr; mv * usr
> 
> 3. Copy / to /usr:
> 
>cd /; find . -xdev -print0 | cpio -pvdm0 /usr
> 
> 4. At this point, the / partition is redundant, and the old /usr
>partition has everything. Update lilo and fstab to reflect
>this. In fstab, remove the entry for /, and rename the entry for /usr
>to /. In lilo.conf, change the boot partition.
> 
>vi /usr/etc/lilo.conf
>vi /usr/etc/fstab
>chroot /usr lilo -v
> 
> 5. Reboot, and now / has become the old /usr partition. At this point,
>you can make a new filesystem on the old / partition, mount it, and
>copy /usr from the new partition to the old. Go back to single user
>mode and:
> 
>mke2fs /dev/hdFOO
>mount /dev/hdFOO /mnt
>cd /usr
>find . -xdev -print0 | cpio -pdvm0 /mnt
>mv /usr /usr.dontuse
>mkdir /usr
>vi /etc/fstab
> 
> 6. Reboot once more, and if everything looks good, rm -rf /usr.dontuse.
> 
> MAKE SURE YOU SAVE EVERYTHING IN /etc /var AND /usr/local BEFORE DOING
> THIS. ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE A WORKING RESCUE DISK.
> 

Re: Going slightly spare!

[Paul Tansom]

On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Joost Kooij wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 11:42:12PM +0100, Paul Tansom wrote:
> > On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Joost Kooij wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 05:20:54PM +0100, Paul Tansom wrote:
> > > > I'm trying to compile a driver from scyld.com on my Debian 2.2r3 
> > > > install.  I
> > > > have the kernel source downloaded from kernel.org (as this isn't for my 
> > > > Debian
> > > > install - I have also tried the sources from Debian with now luck), but 
> > > > when I
> > > > compile I get the error:
> > > >
> > > > linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory
>
> Did you look at:
>   http://www.scyld.com/expert/modules.html

Yes, that's where I'm working from :-)

> And the "netgear" thread on:
>   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-0105/thrd6.html

Not noted this thread I don't think, I'm working through it now.

> And the thread at:
>   http://www.tux.org/hypermail/linux-tulip/2001-Jan/0016.html

This one is intriguing as the there is a reply from Donald Becker stating
that this cannot happen.  I'm reading his reply again and looking at the
Makefile code he lists.

Many thanks for these, with any luck they should give me enough info to
crack the problem.

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talking to windows is only 1 step away from talking to the wall!
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Re: NO! chmod strikes!

[Eric G. Miller]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 06:25:27PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Ah, I see now how -R and .* could get kinda crazy.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> But I changed the perms of / a bit, but it still won't
> work (cd is now working for regular user, but no logins,
> nor does ls work).

/bin/login is setuid.  I think it bails out if it's permissions are
wrong (a security feature).

> Does anyone have a proper perms setup for / ?
> Is there any chance chmod -R o-rwx .* started working
> on subdirectories of / ?

Your safest bet is probably to reinstall.  Otherwise, you'll have a
terrible time trying to plug all the security holes you've probably
created.

-- 
Eric G. Miller 

Re: Internet connection

[Kent West]

malcolm jordan wrote:


My Task:

To connect my PC to the internet via an ISP using a newly installed 
Debian/Linux OS.


(This is the official potato distribution Debian/Linux 2.2r2 that was 
purchased from a


vendor through the postal service.)

 


Problem:

When (run as root) the command "wvdial" is given, I get the following 
resopnse


on the terminal:

WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.41

Cannot open /dev/modem: Device or resources busy

 




I have also attached a serial cable from the PC to the modem with the 
plan to use


the USB cable for Windows 98 and the serial cable attached to the 
modem and


COM 2 (ttyS1) for the Debian/Linux 2.2r.2 OS. ( I was told by someone 
at U. S.


Robotics that this was possible.) I understand the potato version 
2.2r2 does not


support USB for modems.



/dev/modem is usually a symbolic link to the actual ttySx; either tell 
wvdial to use /dev/ttyS1 instead of /dev/modem, or create the link with 
the command "ln -s /dev/ttyS1 /dev/modem".


Kent

Re: grub booting message

[Vineet Kumar]

I don't know why it might have changed, but if you want to restore the
backup of your bootsector, you can do so with dd. See a few posts
about a week ago with subject "dd question" for more discussion on how
to do it.

Vineet

* Regnat Nikolaus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010626 22:46]:
> I'm using debian woody and grub. Since a few days I get the following message:
> 
> 
> There are differences between the bootsector and it's backup.
> Differences: (offset:original/backup)
> 28:3d/3f, 29:65/00, 30:9c/00, 71:44/00, 72:41/4f, 73:54/20, 74:45/4e,
> 75:4e/41, 76:20/4d, 77:20/45, 78:20/00, 79:20/00, 80:20/00, 81:20/00
> Not automatically fixing this.
> 
> 
> I tried to reinstall grub but the problem's still there. Booting continues 
> after about 10 seconds. Does anyone know how to get rid of this?
> 
> 
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Re: New kernel pre21?

[Vineet Kumar]

2.2.19pre21 would be the 21st prerelease candidate for kernel 2.2.19.
If you have 2.2.19, then you have the actual release. 2.2.19 is still
the latest in the 2.2.x series of the Linux kernel.

In general, you should check the changelogs to decide if there's
reason to upgrade your kernel. If everything's running smoothly, you
probably don't need to bother unless you see a discovered
vulnerability in your old kernel that has been fixed in a new one.

Vineet

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010626 08:53]:
> 
> I've been running kernel 2.2.19 since it came out. Itis all going smoothly!
> 
> Now I see the new 2.2.19pre21 is available.
> 
> I wonder if it is worth my while upgrading my debian box to the new kernel.
> 
> Ciao
> 
> Vittorio
> 
> -
> 
> messaggio inviato con Freemail by superEva
> http://www.supereva.it
> 
> -
> 
> 
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Re: OpenAFS under Potato: can't compile...

[Vineet Kumar]

apt-get install debhelper

, which includes /usr/bin/dh_testdir

Vineet

* Andrew Perrin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010625 17:40]:
> Please forgive my poor understanding of kernel-level things.
> 
> I'm trying to get openAFS (the client side) running under potato. I looked
> at the instructions from www.openafs.org, and added the two lines to
> sources.list as instructed.  I did the apt-get install for the module
> source, and unpacked the sources, so I now have
> 
> /usr/src/modules/openafs
> 
> containing those module sources.
> 
> The next step is to change into kernel source directory and make-kpkg
> configure, which I did with no problems.
> 
> Next, the instructions say to do a make-kpkg modules. The result:
> 
> nujoma:/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.17# make-kpkg modules
> for module in /usr/src/modules/* ; do \
>   if test -d  $module; then\
> (cd $module;   \
>   if ./debian/rules
> KVERS="2.2.17" KSRC="/usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.17" \
>  KMAINT="Unknown Kernel Package
> Maintainer" KEMAIL="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"  \
>  KDREV="Custom.1.00" kdist; then  \
>   echo "Module $module processed fine";\
>   else  \
>echo "Module $module failed.";  \
>echo "Hit return to Continue?";  \
>read ans;\
>   fi;   \
>  ); \
>   fi;   \
> done
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/openafs'
> dh_testdir
> make[1]: dh_testdir: Command not found
> make[1]: *** [configure-stamp] Error 127
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/openafs'
> Module /usr/src/modules/openafs failed.
> Hit return to Continue?
> 
> 
> Looking through /usr/src/modules/openafs/debian, I found the
> "rules" program and ran it:
> 
> nujoma:/usr/src/modules/openafs/debian# ./rules
> debian/sysname: debian/sysname: No such file or directory
> debian/sysname: debian/sysname: No such file or directory
> debian/sysname: debian/sysname: No such file or directory
> debian/sysname: debian/sysname: No such file or directory
> dh_testdir
> make: dh_testdir: Command not found
> make: *** [configure-stamp] Error 127
> nujoma:/usr/src/modules/openafs/debian# ls sysname 
> sysname
> nujoma:/usr/src/modules/openafs/debian# cd ..
> nujoma:/usr/src/modules/openafs# debian/rules
> dh_testdir
> make: dh_testdir: Command not found
> make: *** [configure-stamp] Error 127
> 
> 
> There is no sign of any file named "testdir" anywhere on my system (in
> src or elsewhere).
> 
> Any advice will be much appreciated.
> 
> nujoma:~> uname -a
> Linux nujoma 2.2.17 #1 Sun Jun 25 09:24:41 EST 2000 i586 unknown
> 
> 
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Internet connection

[malcolm jordan]

My Task:
To connect my PC to the internet via an ISP using a newly 
installed Debian/Linux OS.
(This is the official potato distribution Debian/Linux 2.2r2 
that was purchased from a
vendor through the postal service.)
 
Problem:
When (run as root) the command "wvdial" is given, I get the 
following resopnse 
on the terminal:
WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.41
Cannot open /dev/modem: Device or resources busy
 
Situation:
I am new to Linux and Debian, but I have been looking at it 
for the past three years.
I have read everything that I can find to resolve this 
problem.
I am asking someone (who knows a lot more than I do) to help 
with a solution to the
problem.
 
Equipment:
U.S. Robotics 56K Voice Faxmodem Pro - external - model 5605 - 
V.90 56K and 
x2 technology. (It has a serial and a USB 
connector.)
This modem is working very well and is attached to the PC via 
a USB cable and
running on Windows 98 OS.
I have also attached a serial cable from the PC to the modem 
with the plan to use 
the USB cable for Windows 98 and the serial cable attached to 
the modem and 
COM 2 (ttyS1) for the Debian/Linux 2.2r.2 OS. ( I was told by 
someone at U. S.
Robotics that this was possible.) I understand the potato 
version 2.2r2 does not 
support USB for modems.
 
Configuration:
There is not a "/dev/modem" in the "/dev" directory.  I 
started to use "mknod"
to create a "/dev/modem", but I loaded the OS from a what was 
supposed to
be an official CD-ROM and thought that I would make things 
worse if I tried to
do it. 
 
Configuration Files:
/etc/serial.conf
###[PORT STATE GENERATED using AUTOSAVE-ONCE]###
###AUTOSAVE-ONCE###
###AUTOSAVE###
/dev/ttyS0 uart 16550A port 0x3f8 irq4 baud_base 115000 
spd_normal skip test
/dev/ttyS1 uart 16550A port 0x2f8 irq3 baud_base 115000 
spd_normal skip test
 
/etc/wvdial.conf
[Dialer Defaults]
Phone  = 
999
username = reliable
password = password
new pppd = yes
 
/etc/ppp/peers/provider
noauth
connect /usr/sbin chat -v-f 
/etc/chatscripts/provider
defaultroute
/dev/ttyS1 #(This was /dev/modem before I edited 
it.)
56000   #(This was 38400 
before I edited it.)
Persist
 
/etc/chatscripts/provider
ABORT    BUSY
ABORT    NO CARRIER
ABORT    NO DIALTONE
""    
    ATDT 999
ogin        
reliable
word    \q 
password
 
pppconfig:
[Properties of Provider]
Number    
999-
user            
reliable
Password    Password
Speed        115200
COM            
/dev/ttyS1
method        PAP
Advanced options
Modeminit    ATZ
ispconnect    \d\c
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

RE: [OT] Harassment of open source developer !

[Huebel, David]

Bayer lost the trademark in the US in the case
Bayer Co. v. United Drug Co., 272 F. 505 (S.D.N.Y. 1921),
in which the term "aspirin" was ruled to be generic. 

Before 1915, Bayer marketed acetylsalicylic acid powder to 
physicians and pharmacists under the name "Aspirin," the same name 
under which it was sold in Europe.  Pharmacists then packaged the 
powder into pills and sold it to consumers as "Aspirin," sometimes 
adding the name of their own establishment.  Starting in 1915, Bayer 
began to ensure that its Aspirin product was sold under the Bayer 
name.

The court ruled that although the Bayer Company's advertisements (in 
trade magazines, etc.) made it clear to physicians and pharmacists 
that Aspirin meant acetylsalicylic acid manufactured by Bayer, 
since the pharmacists who sold it to consumers in the years before
1915 did not identify it as a Bayer product, the term had become
generic in common usage.  The court even ruled that Bayer's post-1915
packaging and marketing of aspirin reflected the word's generic
meaning among consumers.

Strangely enough, since the same drug manufactured by other 
companies was sold under other names, and rarely if at all under 
the name Aspirin, it was the sale of Bayer-made Aspirin that  
invalidated the trademark, merely because the consumers weren't 
consistently reminded of the connection between the name and 
the manufacturer.

Although both parties cited Bayer's US patent, the judge decided
the case of entirely different grounds.  Neither did Bayer's 
German roots seem to have any relevance to the decision (Bayer Co. 
as a party in the case was a U.S. corporation based in New York).  
Adobe's (or their lawyers') demand for money from the KIllustrator 
developers is indefensible, but the logic of this case gives me a 
little more understanding of the lengths companies go to trying 
to protect their trademarks.

Here's the decision, including a more comprehensive description of
the facts of the case:

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/domain/tmcases/bayer.htm



on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 07:04:32PM -0400, Carl Fink ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 05:39:33PM -0400, Jason Healy wrote:
> > Probably because if you don't protect your trademarks in this country,
> > they fall into the public domain.  That's why you can say "asprin"
> > when you want to cure a headache (because Bayer didn't defend its
> > trademark) . . . 
> 
> Urban myth.  Actually the trademark was invalidated after World War One
(in
> the Versaille Treaty, according to some sources I've seen) because Bayer
was
> a German company.  It's still a valid mark in Europe.

Not sure if it was after the treaty or during the war.  The US branch of
the company was liquidated/nationalized/appropriated by the US, and the
trademark voided, according to several different angles I've heard.
I've researched this casually a few times over the years but never
really found a definitive answer, odd, as it's such a striking example
of trademark loss.

Loss of a trademark is not altogether straightforward, Adobe appears to
be acting overly aggressively in this case.

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Re: NO! chmod strikes!

[JoshNarins]

Ah, I see now how -R and .* could get kinda crazy.

Thank you.

But I changed the perms of / a bit, but it still won't
work (cd is now working for regular user, but no logins,
nor does ls work).

Does anyone have a proper perms setup for / ?
Is there any chance chmod -R o-rwx .* started working
on subdirectories of / ?

Thanks :)

-josh narins

---Message Replied To Below--

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 04:17:34PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| 
| I tried, in a subdir of /root, the command
| chmod -R o-rwx .*
| It changed the permissions on the parent directory,
| the parent's parent directory, all the way up.

Yes, '.*" includes ".." which is the parent directory.

| Now only root can use my computer.
|
| Was chmod supposed to understand .* so differently
| than /bin/ls does?

No, it doesn't.  ls shows the same thing ("ls -R" anyways).

chmod the stuff back to where it should be ;-).

-D

Re: xv alternatives

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 10:29:33AM -0400, Michael P. Soulier ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 02:53:22AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Carl Johnson wrote:
> > > I haven't tried imagemagick recently, but it's crashed my system
> > > enough times over the years that I avoid it whenever possible.  Unless
> > > it has changed recently, it doesn't check memory.  If it runs out of
> > > memory it will keep trying until the system daemons run out of memory
> > > and start crashing.  I compared it against xv, xloadimage, and gimp,
> > > and all of the others would abort an operation and give a warning when
> > > they ran out of memory.  Of course, if you have *lots* of memory, then
> > > it's probably safe enough.
> > 
> > This is what resource limits are for.
> 
> Hmm. 
> 
> I'd argue that this is what good coding is for. 

I'd argue that this is what kernel-level memory-management is for, but
that I'm more with Mike than Joey on this one, for a change.

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Re: xv alternatives

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 06:26:37PM -0400, Rick Pasotto ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 05:16:17PM -0500, Michael A. Miller wrote:
> > > "Noah" == Noah L Meyerhans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > > Since xv is being removed from the distribution, I would
> > > like to find a new image viewer to use.  
> > 
> > I use "display", which is part of the imagemagick package.
> 
> 'display' seems not to release memory until it exits.
> 
> If you do 'display *.jpg' for a large number of files total memory
> used keeps increasing until all memory (including swap) is used up.

This is a bug.  File a bug report.

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Re: dpms and X4

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Jul 06, 2001 at 04:59:12PM -0400, Michael P. Soulier ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 07:35:40PM -0400, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> > Ola. 
> > 
> > Under XFree86 3.3.6, I could execute the following to turn on dpms. 
> > 
> > xset +dpms
> > xset dpms 1200 1800 2400
> > 
> > This worked great. Doing this under XFree86 4.0.3 however, it
> > doesn't seem to work. I can execute the commands, and looking at the
> > output from xset q:
> > 
> > DPMS (Energy Star):
> > Standby: 1200Suspend: 1800Off: 2400
> > DPMS is Enabled
> > Monitor is On
> > 
> > It appears to work. However, when it finally tries to put the
> > monitor into standby, it immediately comes back from standby. 
> > 
> > I should note that if I use KDE's control panel to enable dpms, it
> > works fine. 

> FYI, I found the problem, sort of. 
> 
> I had xscreensaver rotating at 2 minute intervals. Every time a new
> screensaver loaded, it came out of standby mode. 

This is what I consider to be a bug in xscreensaver, and I filed a bug
against the xscreensaver package earlier this year.  At least the
functionality is documented now. 

With one of the recent updates to xscreensaver (I'm running 3.32), power
management functionality previously resident in xset was incorporated
into xscreensaver.  Moreover, xscreensaver silently overrides the
settings specified via xset's dpms option.  Insult to injury, the
current .xscreensaverrc file format is very sensitive to modifications
(e.g.: breaks if you look at it hard or think of doing same), and can
frustrate attempts to manually fix the problem.

You *can* modify the xscreensaver configuration yourself via the
xscreensaver-demo dialog, on the "Screensaver Options" panel.

Preferred behavior would be for xscreensaver to note and preserver
current dpms settings, *unless* specifically and interactively
overridden by manual configuration, or disable power management by
default.  Better yet, pull dpms functionality *out* of xscreensaver and
leave it in xset where it belongs.

As things stand, you can configure dpms *either* with xset *or* with
xscreensaver, but if you try to use both, xscreensaver clobbers the xset
configurations.  Because xset configuration can be governed from any
number of places, there's little likelihood of coordinating the behavior
of the two programs.

Cheers.

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Re: Reading WordPerfect files

[Mike Nachlinger]

On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Harry Henry Gebel wrote:

I had this same problem. As I recall WP is looking for a specific libXt
library. Installing the libc5-compat version should do it. Don't forget
to link it.

Regards,
Mike



> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 12:26:01PM -0500, Andrew Perrin wrote:
> > Okay folks - I've started getting lots of files in WordPerfect format
> > (seems to be the default for some people in my department).  Any advice on
> > reading them? StarOffice doesn't seem to be happy with them, and I can't
> > get WP from Corel to run on my system (Debian 2.2r3):
> > 
> > hm269-26876:/usr/local/wp/wpbin# ./xwp
> > ./xwp: can't load library 'libXt.so.6'


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Re: Help in selecting laptop

[Brendan O'Connor]

On Friday 06 July 2001 23:10, Dale Morris wrote:
> I've done some
> research, seems the modem can be a snag..

While most winmodems don't work, I've had good experiences with the Lucent 
winmodem's driver -- it works just fine.  Of course, a standard modem (prolly 
hafta get a pcmcia one) will be easier in any case.

--Brendan

Re: wine question

[Karsten M. Self]

on Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 01:59:45PM -0700, Peter Jay Salzman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> dear all,
> 
> as i understand it, wine comes with its own libraries which implement the
> win32 API.

Yes.

> i also understand that if we somehow have access to a windows CD, all legal
> issues aside, we can use files off windows to make wine work even better.

Yes.

> how can i do this?   is there a debian specific way of doing this?

Answering the second question first:  not that I'm aware.

I'd perform an installation of the legacy MS Windows OS into a separate
partition, mount this someplace (I usually choose /mnt/windows).  In the
1.x release of Wine (yes, it *is* a production release now), you can
specify where things live in the configuration dialog (you'll need the
winesetuptk package for this).  In older versions, this is configured in
your /etc/wine.conf file.

My experience was that WINE support through MS Office 97 was pretty
reasonable.   Some things work (Word, Excel), some things don't
(Access).  Impressive, in the way a dancing dog is.


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Re: Going slightly spare!

[Brendan O'Connor]

On Friday 06 July 2001 11:20, Paul Tansom wrote:
> I'm trying to compile a driver from scyld.com on my Debian 2.2r3 install. 
> I have the kernel source downloaded from kernel.org (as this isn't for my
> Debian install - I have also tried the sources from Debian with now luck),
> but when I compile I get the error:
>
> linux/modversions.h: No such file or directory

Ick, this happened to me a while ago, too.

modversions.h is created when the kernel is recompiled.  Otherwise, I *think* 
it may be in the kernel-headers package, if you don't want to recompile your 
entire kernel before compiling one dinky little driver.  Of course, if oyu 
use kernel-headers, then you should use the corresponding kernel-image 
package (and you don't need the entire kernel source at all)

--Brendan

Re: debian vs suse

[Peter Kok]

Hi Faheem, Osamu

Many tks for your precious information

In fact, there are many linux distribution.

Eg:

openlinux
Redhat
slackware
turbo linux

I want to learn much about linux and would like to know
Someone have experience to share about their Stable and security
comparision.

Eg: RH, openlinux


In fact, I learn much from this Debian mailling list (quit active)

BTW, could you describe to me in detail about your RH broken?

and

What do you mean about the learning step you mention?

Many thanks

Regards
Peter

http://www.nikoyo.com.hk








From: Faheem Mitha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: Peter Kok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: debian vs suse
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:29:03 -0400 (EDT)



On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Osamu Aoki wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 10:59:46PM -0400, Peter Kok wrote:
> > What is the different between debian and suse?

I am currently running SuSE (6.2) and Debian (2.2r3) (just newly installed
on my machine, and have been using SuSE on my machine since September 99,
so feel qualified to comment.

SuSE is generally much more poorly designed, and is much harder to
upgrade. Basically I think of it as a broken system.

> Debian is better!!!

Yes.

> Seriously, except for packaging system and few minor style differences,
> both are quite similar system (SYS-V init).
>
> Major difference is that debian is free volunteer efforts while suse is
> commercial distribution.
>
> > How are the security and stable?
>
> System is as secure as its admin's skill and efforts.

Debian is a bit more secure out of the box, I think. Though I have not
been using recent versions of SuSE (6.2 is now approximately 2 years old)
so maybe they have improved.

> If you ask how easy to update to the latest security patched program, I
> can say that debian delivers security updates quite fast and updating
> system with them in debian is very easy even for active daemon programs.
>
> Judging from suse's RPM packaging, suse may not be as easy to upgrade
> active daemons like Redhat.  (I do not know.)

The differences between upgrading SuSE and Debian are extraordinary. I
recently had to strip down my SuSE system manually, and recompile many
source rpms just to install a recent version of Gnumeric on my system. As
I expect you know, SuSE has no dependency checking, the different rpms have
complicated dependencies which are not always properly listed (I tended to
use autoconf a lot to tell me what the dependencies were) and they
sometimes didn't even use proper build-rooted source rpms, so it was often
necessary to rewrite the spec files in order to recompile the source rpms
safely. (As a matter of policy, I always install software using the
appropriate package manager, so I never install tar.gz's.)

I used Redhat 5.1 between 1998-1999, and it was even worse. Quite badly
broken, basic things didn't work out of the box for no reason etc. From
what I hear about Redhat recently, not much has changed.

Commercial Linux systems might look appealing on the surface, but they are
a mess inside.

> I can tell you that Debian has steep learning curve but it is worth it.

I think the steep learning curve is much exaggerated. If you've been using
another Linux you should do just fine. And Debian just blows away the
competition (at least among other Linuxes, don't know about the BSD's) in
terms of quality control, careful and intelligent design, and
upgradeability.

Faheem.



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Re: How do I clear out a list

[Brendan O'Connor]

On Friday 06 July 2001 13:32, Brian Schramm wrote:
> I did a apt-get update.  Acually I followed the instructions on
> www.progeny.com web site.  For your instructions, would that install them
> or remove them?
>
> Brian

As others said, you need to do an update from dselect, because apt and 
dselect don't use the same database to keep track of updates.

Enjoy.
--Brendan

Re: [OT] Harassment of open source developer !

[Karsten M. Self]

on Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 07:04:32PM -0400, Carl Fink ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 04, 2001 at 05:39:33PM -0400, Jason Healy wrote:
> > Probably because if you don't protect your trademarks in this country,
> > they fall into the public domain.  That's why you can say "asprin"
> > when you want to cure a headache (because Bayer didn't defend its
> > trademark) . . . 
> 
> Urban myth.  Actually the trademark was invalidated after World War One (in
> the Versaille Treaty, according to some sources I've seen) because Bayer was
> a German company.  It's still a valid mark in Europe.

Not sure if it was after the treaty or during the war.  The US branch of
the company was liquidated/nationalized/appropriated by the US, and the
trademark voided, according to several different angles I've heard.
I've researched this casually a few times over the years but never
really found a definitive answer, odd, as it's such a striking example
of trademark loss.

Loss of a trademark is not altogether straightforward, Adobe appears to
be acting overly aggressively in this case.

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Re: Not Debian related. wvdial

[Brendan O'Connor]

On Saturday 07 July 2001 17:42, Kent West wrote:

> I don't know how familiar you are with Linux, so let me ask the first
> obvious question: is your modem a so-called "winmodem"? If so, you're
> not likely to ever get it to work with Redhat (or Debian, or BeOS, or
> OS/2, or anything except what the manufacture decides to let you use
> with it). Winmodems and winprinters are, in my estimation, absolute trash.

I disagree.  I have a Lucent winmodem on two machines and I've gotten it to 
work on both.  Granted, it's a special case, because they've released a 
half-open source driver (it can be recompiled for a different kernel version, 
but uses a propreitary library) but hey, it works great for me.  And there's 
even an installation script that makes a deb package!

limodem.org, i believe... marvin stodolsky's website for the lucent driver 
specifically.

--Brendan

Re: KDE 2.1.1 for potato?

[Brendan O'Connor]

On Sunday 08 July 2001 15:29, Bernard Reißberg wrote:
> BeRnArD29ReIsSbErG04IlMeNaU1980
>
> Hi people!
>
> Does somebody knows, if  there are debs of KDE 2.1.1 for potato available
> on their servers? I've found it on the the sourceforge-mirror of kde.org,
> but I don't know if it is wise, to download it from there. Can somebody
> give me a hint?
>
> Thanks a lot!!!
>
>
> Bernard

Try kde.debian.net, or else kde.tdyc.com.  They have apt-lines and everything.

Re: KDE 2.1.1 for potato?

[Faheem Mitha]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Bernard Rei_berg wrote:

> 
> BeRnArD29ReIsSbErG04IlMeNaU1980
> 
> Hi people!
> 
> Does somebody knows, if there are debs of KDE 2.1.1 for potato
> available on their servers? I've found it on the the
> sourceforge-mirror of kde.org, but I don't know if it is wise, to
> download it from there. Can somebody give me a hint?

Get the potato sources from kde.debian.net. I downloaded yesterday and it
worked flawlessly for me. I had to do no manual intervention at all. The
sources.list (apt-get) lines are listed on the main page. However, I think
it is now KDE 2.1.2.

 Faheem.

Re: KDE 2.1.1 for potato?

[CM]

On Sunday 08 July 2001 16:29, Bernard Reißberg wrote:
> BeRnArD29ReIsSbErG04IlMeNaU1980
>
> Hi people!
>
> Does somebody knows, if  there are debs of KDE 2.1.1 for potato available
> on their servers? I've found it on the the sourceforge-mirror of kde.org,
> but I don't know if it is wise, to download it from there. Can somebody
> give me a hint?

At one point i had to get them from sid, however they may be in woody now but 
they wont be found in potato as it is frozen. On the other hand I have been  
wrong before : )

CM
> Thanks a lot!!!
>
>
> Bernard
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Re: [users] Harddrives not mounting properly

[Carel Fellinger]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 02:21:31AM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote:
...
> You may also 
> 
>  addgroup dos
>  grep dos /etc/group  # say it is 123
> 
> Then put these options in /etc/fstab:
> 
>  rw,gid=123,umask=002,mode=770
> 
> For any $user that is allowed write access:
> 
>  adduser $user dos

or better don't add $user to group dos, but instead put a simple
password on group dos and have any user that needs to write do:

   $ sg dos
   passwd
   $ do-whatever-needed-write-access-to-windows-partition
   $ exit

or even better

   $ sg -c whatever-needed-write-access-to-windows-partition
   passwd

This way it's easy to have the windows partition only writable for
the duration of the one command that needed it, and fully write
protected otherwise.

The password thing in this case is not primarilly for securety
reasons, it's there to make it possible for non-group members to
become one temporarily.  On the other hand, the part of not being a
group member upon login *is* a securety measure.

With this setup my kids can easily move their drawings to and from the
windows partition [still needed for optimal printing results:(] and at
the same time the windows partition is protected from most silly
mistakes. They know to take special care when using the sg trick,
as do I.

-- 
groetjes, carel

KDE 2.1.1 for potato?

[Bernard Reißberg]

BeRnArD29ReIsSbErG04IlMeNaU1980

Hi people!

Does somebody knows, if  there are debs of KDE 2.1.1 for potato available on 
their servers? I've found it on the the sourceforge-mirror of kde.org, but I 
don't know if it is wise, to download it from there. Can somebody give me a 
hint? 

Thanks a lot!!!


Bernard
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Installing device drivers

[David Meiser]

I recently have decided to install Debian on my computer after a long 
absence from the Linux world.  However, I bought a cheap Winmodem and 
after a long, involved search I have actually found a device driver for 
Linux.  After consulting with a couple of friends, none of us were able 
to figure out, remember, or actually find (in the man pages) how to 
install device drivers for hardware not supported in the kernel.  I have 
not actually installed Debian yet (because of the modem), I can install 
the driver during the install.


Basically, my question comes down to this:  if I put the driver on to a 
3.5" diskette, does it need to be zipped (as I downloaded it) or unzipped?


Thank you...DAVE

no swap

[G.LeeJ]

huh?..all of a sudden I see I have NO swap file..at least according
to my gnonme system info menu option..

I know I have a swap partition..or used to or so I thought one was
created when I installed progeny?...but according to /proc/partitions
its only 1 block long


thanks
lee
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Re: NO! chmod strikes!

[D-Man]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 04:17:34PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| 
| I tried, in a subdir of /root, the command
| chmod -R o-rwx .*
| It changed the permissions on the parent directory,
| the parent's parent directory, all the way up.

Yes, '.*" includes ".." which is the parent directory.

| Now only root can use my computer.
|
| Was chmod supposed to understand .* so differently
| than /bin/ls does?

No, it doesn't.  ls shows the same thing ("ls -R" anyways).

chmod the stuff back to where it should be ;-).

-D

NO! chmod strikes!

[JoshNarins]

I tried, in a subdir of /root, the command
chmod -R o-rwx .*
It changed the permissions on the parent directory,
the parent's parent directory, all the way up.

Now only root can use my computer.

Was chmod supposed to understand .* so differently
than /bin/ls does?

I am running 2.2.19-pre17 on i586

-josh

Re: Not Debian related. wvdial

[D-Man]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 08:54:17AM -0400, Wayne wrote:
| The output from wvdial 2>&1 | tee wvdial.out
[...]
| The output from ifconfig ---
[...]
| ppp0  Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol
|   inet addr:216.204.114.201  P-t-P:216.204.109.6
| Mask:255.255.255.255
[...]
| The output from   route -n
[...]

This all looks good.  wvdial was talking with your modem, got the
login prompts from your ISP and started up PPP.  ifconfig shows that
you have a connection.

| After I do all this I then start Netscape and try to go to some web page.
| The responds I get it that Netscape is unable to locate the web page.
| 
| I tried to telnet into my isp, but I get host name undefind. I don't
| know which file telnet is looking into for the host name.

You have a connection now.  Now all you need is to set up DNS (Domain
Name Service).  Add a line in /etc/resolv.conf that looks like

nameserver 129.21.3.17

then telnet, netscape, etc, will know where to look to figure out what
IP address belongs to the name you told it.  If you were to try
specifying an IP instead of a name it would have worked for you.

-D

Re: FRIACO

[Martin Rowe]

On Sunday 08 July 2001 19:30, George wrote:
> If anyone here has any experience with FRIACO and linux, or btinternet
> friaco in particular could you drop me an email.
>
> Cheers
>
> George

I have a couple of hours experience - is that enough? ;-) Just switched 
over from Freeserve Unlimited to their Anytime service that runs on 
FIASCO (or something like that) and it seems to be fine so far. Just 
switched the number in /etc/wvdial.conf - no other changes required.

Regards, Martin
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Re: Printer help please!

[Faheem Mitha]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Andrea Vettorello wrote:

> bernard wrote:
> 
> > For the last three days I have been banging my head against the wall
> > ("don't worry dear, its as pointy as ever it was" says my sympathetic
> > girlfriend) trying to get my printer to work. I installed potato some
> > time ago and tried to install cups, but didn't have much luck, so
> > I stripped everything off and re-installed lprng. I then used apsfilter
> > to configure things, the apsfilter printed a perfect test page but
> > when I used lprnothing! I tried with printtool which printed a
> > test ascii direct to the port but under lpr the printer muttered a
> > bit and then stopped. 

> Not an expert here, but i'm using pdq/xpd (tracking unstable =) with a
> stylus color 880 and works quite well with the ghostscript stp driver.

Another option is to compile a deb from a more recent version of cups
sources in testing/unstable. I don't think cups has much by way of
dependencies, so this should be straightforward. I use cups on my old SuSE
system and really like it. If your printer is a recent postscript printer
then cups is the way to go because it can read ppd files, and then your
printer will have all the functionality it has under Windows, which is
nice. And cups has a really nice front-end called qtcups.

However, even if your printer is not postscript, you can still get it to
work. There are some nice articles about cups out there, some available off
www.linuxprinting.org. I seem to remember mandrakeuser had an article. Try
going to google and doing a search for cups printing.

When I got my current HP 2100M back around Christmas, I spent several days
going through all the available printing software (there is a nice listing
with links of linuxprinting.org). Fortunately, I had the time, since I was
on vacation. I first tried plain lpr with apsfilter, then I tried lprng,
then pdq, and finally tried cups, which I liked so much I threw everything
else out and stuck with it. And I made my own rpm for SuSE from the source
rpm on the cups web site, since the cups source rpm was a bit of a mess,
and seemed by default more designed for Redhat type systems. But you've
got Debian (three cheers for Debian) so you won't have those problems.

I use potato and this is what I am going to do for my new Debian system.
Hope this helps.

   Faheem.

Re: How to use preferences (/etc/apt/preferences)

[der.hans]

Am 08. Jul, 2001 schwäzte Alan Chandler so:

> First - does /etc/apt/preferences file apply when you use dselect, or only
> when you use apt-get?

Don't know. Don't use dselect.

> Second - what I currently do is a) have /etc/apt/sources.list lines that
> get my packages from testing
>
> b) When I want packages from unstable - I manually ftp them from  
> debian.org mirror to a local mirror - manually also trying to also
> copy all the dependent packages - and refer to them with a separate   
> sources.list line.
>
> It seems to me that the /etc/apt/preferences file would be a better
> approach, with some lines like
> 
> Package:*
> Pin: a=testing
> Pin Priority: 500
> 
> Package: xxx
> Pin: a=unstable
> Pin Priority: 998
> 
> Where xxx is the package name I want to install from unstable.
> 
> Is this correct?
> What about the packages on which xxx depends?

That's what I would think would work. I was having probs with it when
testing a couple of weeks back.

Instead of pinning the package from unstable at 998, pin unstable below
testing, then apt-get install xxx/unstable. From then on apt updates the
package from the dist it came from, e.g. anytime that package gets updated
in unstable it will get updated, but other packages would only get updates
from testing.

This was working well for me when I was testing.

Search the list archives for posts I made a few weeks ago. I was in the
middle of testing use of preferences and posted much better info than I'm
remembering right now.

ciao,

der.hans
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Re: apt-get/dselect-problem

[der.hans]

Am 08. Jul, 2001 schwäzte Martin Bretschneider so:

> I've got four Sid-images (from may) and wanted to update some proggies.
> But there weren't any updates for gpgme (lobgpgme0) that doesn't installed
> a config-file that is needed to compile my mua with gpg-support.
> 
> Nevertheless, now I wanted to install some packages from the cds, but
> dselect wants to install them from the ftp-server I put in
> /etc/apt/sources.list:

Not sure how this will affect dselect, but comment out the ftp sites and do
an apt-get update. That will remove the entries for the ftp sites, so the
CDs should be used.

Alternative ( and cooler, but I haven't tried it ), use
/etc/apt/preferences.

If you're using apt out of woody or later, then you can use
/etc/apt/preferences. I don't know what to put to use the CDs, but look at
the man page for apt_preferences and I'd think Origin is what needs to be
used.

For a further alternative if preferences doesn't work out well and this is
something you run into a lot look at:

http://home.pages.de/~lufthans/unix/

You want the "security, testing and unstable updater for debian". It's easy
enough to tweak one of those to become apt-cd.

Again, not certain how this would work with dselect, but once you've updated
appropriately you could use apt-get install packagename or apt-cd install
packagename.

ciao,

der.hans
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FRIACO

[George]

If anyone here has any experience with FRIACO and 
linux, or btinternet friaco in particular could you drop me an 
email.
 
Cheers
 
George

Frame buffer at boot

[Frédéric de Villamil]

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Starting mail retrieval agent: system-wide fetchmail not configured

[Lukas Sobik]

when i boot woody it says:

Starting mail retrieval agent: system-wide fetchmail not configured

and when i run fetchmail -v its puts this out:


fetchmail: 5.8.3 querying pop3.account.de (protocol POP3) at Sun Jul  8
20:18:28 2001
fetchmail: POP3< +OK ready  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
fetchmail: POP3> CAPA fetchmail: POP3< +OK Capability list follows
fetchmail: POP3< TOP
fetchmail: POP3< PIPELINING
fetchmail: POP3< USER
fetchmail: POP3< EXPIRE NEVER
fetchmail: POP3< UIDL
fetchmail: POP3< RESP-CODES
fetchmail: POP3< AUTH-RESP-CODE
fetchmail: POP3< X-MANGLE
fetchmail: POP3< X-MACRO
fetchmail: POP3< X-LOCALTIME Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:22:01 +0200
fetchmail: POP3< .
fetchmail: POP3> USER user fetchmail: POP3< +OK Password required for user.
fetchmail: POP3> PASS * fetchmail: POP3< +OK user has 5 visible messages (0
hidden) in 15303 octets.
fetchmail: POP3> STAT
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 15303
fetchmail: POP3> LAST
fetchmail: POP3< +OK 0 is the last read message.
5 messages for user at pop3.account.de (15303 octets).
fetchmail: POP3> LIST fetchmail: POP3< +OK 5 visible messages (15303 octets)
fetchmail: POP3< 1 4584
fetchmail: POP3< 2 2555
fetchmail: POP3< 3 3185
fetchmail: POP3< 4 2322
fetchmail: POP3< 5 2657
fetchmail: POP3< .
fetchmail: POP3> TOP 1 
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Message follows
reading message 1 of 5 (4584 octets)
.**.*fetchmail:
SIGPIPE thrown from an MDA or a stream socket error
fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET)
fetchmail: normal termination, status 2
fetchmail: terminated with signal 13

i think my eximconfig and fetchmailrc are correct.

Mozilla + Java for potato

[Christoph Simon]

FYI

I've installed the unofficial debs for mozilla 0.9-1, which Robert
Bihlmeyer made available, and had no problems installing Java or other
plugins, while I do remember somebody reporing such troubles.

This time, I needed to set up a very stripped down system with
mozilla, and all of the sudden, no plugins worked, specially not
java. Everything was perfectly installed, same files, sizes and
locations as in other boxen where it worked, but no avail.

After a huge amount of searching, I found out, that proper plugin
support in mozilla, at least in this configuration, depends on
xlib6g-dev, which in turn likes to see libc6g-dev and gcc installed. I
hope this info will save others the time I spent to find out.

I have no idea why is this, or if I could otherwise avoid installing
those packages, but at least it works this way. Maybe somebody more
specialized in this monster called mozilla could shed light on this or
even offer some more evident solutions (Robert?).

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Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten

[Leonard Leblanc]

I think you should both *grow up* and just forget about this whole thing 
right now, if you are going to continue to flame each other then do so 
privately. 

I don't really want to waste my time reading this garbage and I'm sure alot 
of other people don't want to either.

On Sunday 08 July 2001 07:49, Brian Nelson wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 11:57:15PM -0700, Kevin wrote:
> > excuse me mister super leeto linux man.  if you looked at the headers
> > you'd see im not even using ms-oe so blow me.  wtf should i use your
> > standard for replies. get a life.
>
> I know you're not using OE (which I didn't claim), but you're using
> something that copies OE which is just as bad.
>

[*SNIP lots of garbage here]

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Re: [OT] Harassment of open source developer !

[John Hasler]

csj writes:
> How about Kill Illustrator? It sounds like it anyway - KILLustrator.

That would infringe as much as Killustrator does.  The trick with FAIR is
that you can let everyone know what it stands for and not infringe as long
as you don't use the word 'Illustrator' in the labeling of the product.
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Elmwood, WI

isdn dialup

[cooher]

Hi,
Firstly what is a MSN/EAZ and how do i find mine?

Secondarly, I'm trying to get my isdn card to dial a 
BT Surftime number (0844) but it wants to 
continually put an international dialing code on the 
front, which i think BT doesn't allow. How do i 
switch international dialing off?

When i look through /var/log/isdn.log there are a 
number of columns, could someone please tell me what 
each coloumn refers to?

Could anyone pleae help me out?

Thanks in advance,

Hereward

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apt-get/dselect-problem

[Martin Bretschneider]

Hi folks,

I've got four Sid-images (from may) and wanted to update some proggies.
But there weren't any updates for gpgme (lobgpgme0) that doesn't installed
a config-file that is needed to compile my mua with gpg-support.

Nevertheless, now I wanted to install some packages from the cds, but
dselect wants to install them from the ftp-server I put in
/etc/apt/sources.list:

deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.4 _Sid_ - fsn.hu's i386 Binary-6
(20010525)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main
non-US/non-free non-free
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.4 _Sid_ - fsn.hu's i386 Binary-3
(20010525)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main
non-US/non-free non-free
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.4 _Sid_ - fsn.hu's i386 Binary-2
(20010525)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main
non-US/non-free non-free
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 2.4 _Sid_ - fsn.hu's i386 Binary-1
(20010525)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main
non-US/non-free non-free

deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free

So what shall I do?
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Re: [OT] Harassment of open source developer !

[csj]

On Sunday 08 July 2001 10:12, John Hasler wrote:
> Erik Steffl wrote:
> > they should rename KIllustrator to: Adobe Illustrator Replacement
> >
> > that should be covered by fair use (it only refers to adobe
> > illustrator which is allowed)
>
> "Fair use" is a term in copyright law.  It has no meaningful
> application that I know of to trademarks.
>
> Aaron Brashears writes:
> > How about one better:
> >
> > Free
> > Adobe
> > Illustrator
> > Replacement
> >
> > aka: FAIR
>
> I _like_ that.

How about Kill Illustrator? It sounds like it anyway - KILLustrator.

Re: debian vs suse

[Faheem Mitha]

On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Osamu Aoki wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 10:59:46PM -0400, Peter Kok wrote:
> > What is the different between debian and suse?

I am currently running SuSE (6.2) and Debian (2.2r3) (just newly installed
on my machine, and have been using SuSE on my machine since September 99,
so feel qualified to comment.

SuSE is generally much more poorly designed, and is much harder to
upgrade. Basically I think of it as a broken system.

> Debian is better!!!

Yes.
 
> Seriously, except for packaging system and few minor style differences,
> both are quite similar system (SYS-V init).
> 
> Major difference is that debian is free volunteer efforts while suse is
> commercial distribution.
> 
> > How are the security and stable?
> 
> System is as secure as its admin's skill and efforts.

Debian is a bit more secure out of the box, I think. Though I have not
been using recent versions of SuSE (6.2 is now approximately 2 years old)
so maybe they have improved.

> If you ask how easy to update to the latest security patched program, I
> can say that debian delivers security updates quite fast and updating
> system with them in debian is very easy even for active daemon programs.
> 
> Judging from suse's RPM packaging, suse may not be as easy to upgrade
> active daemons like Redhat.  (I do not know.)

The differences between upgrading SuSE and Debian are extraordinary. I
recently had to strip down my SuSE system manually, and recompile many
source rpms just to install a recent version of Gnumeric on my system. As
I expect you know, SuSE has no dependency checking, the different rpms have
complicated dependencies which are not always properly listed (I tended to
use autoconf a lot to tell me what the dependencies were) and they
sometimes didn't even use proper build-rooted source rpms, so it was often
necessary to rewrite the spec files in order to recompile the source rpms
safely. (As a matter of policy, I always install software using the
appropriate package manager, so I never install tar.gz's.)

I used Redhat 5.1 between 1998-1999, and it was even worse. Quite badly
broken, basic things didn't work out of the box for no reason etc. From
what I hear about Redhat recently, not much has changed.

Commercial Linux systems might look appealing on the surface, but they are
a mess inside.

> I can tell you that Debian has steep learning curve but it is worth it.

I think the steep learning curve is much exaggerated. If you've been using
another Linux you should do just fine. And Debian just blows away the
competition (at least among other Linuxes, don't know about the BSD's) in
terms of quality control, careful and intelligent design, and
upgradeability.

Faheem.

Re: file transfer via serial link to windows box

[Phil Brutsche]

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> Does anyone know what simple small program I can uses to transfer files
> from the notebook to the desktop.

All you need on the Windows side is HyperTerminal; on the Debian system
you need the lrzsz package.

The first step is to get to the point where you can log into the Debian
system via one of the serial ports.

The second step - transfering the file to the Debian system - is much
easier: run "rz" from the command line and then use HyperTerminal to
send the file you want to transfer via ZModem.

> ppp is not an option, since I have no way of getting the windows install
> files onto the notebook for it's dial-up networking
>
> PLIP is no good, since I don't have a parallel cable, and it's not so
> terrible, that I'm going to go and buy one :)

I wasn't aware that Win 9x/NT/2k could do PLIP (Win 3.x can do it with the
Crynwr packet drivers).

> so whatever softeware needed on the windows box needs to be small and
> not need anything fancy on the windows side

And chances are the only software you need is already on the Windows box
:)

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Re: Microsoft Reader... argh!

[Mark Wagnon]

On 07/08/01 10:26:34 -0500, Andrew Perrin wrote:
> I'd like to assign a book for a class this fall that is published only in
> hardcover and in something called "Microsoft Reader" format. The MS
> Reader format is about 1/2 the price, which matters (I don't like to make
> students pay more than necessary, particularly at a public
> school.).  According to Amazon, the MS Reader is available only for
> Windows. Does anyone else know about this gizmo, what the format is,
> etc? I'm not willing to let Microsoft have a monopoly on my class, so if
> in fact it's Windows-only I'll either not assign the book (and let the
> publisher know!) or make them go with the expensive hardback.
> 

As a continuing student, I'm glad to hear that professors like
yourself think about students' bank accounts. Thanks! 

Personally, I like to have access to a nice text with actual pages. I
can take it anywhere and not worry about hosing my PDA/eBook reader or
whatever, and I'm not be chained to my computer (although some in my
family believe that's happened ;-) ). If the eBook was in HTML or some
other format easily decipherable by other party's technologies, I'd
say go for it, but since it looks like it's MS' attempt to secure the
eBook market for itself, I would avoid purchasing/recommending it in
that format.  Can you imagine a world where trees are no longer cut
down to produce paper for books (yay!), yet the only format available
is MS' (boo!)?  If MS disagreed with a publisher's views, they could
yank their licensing.  Scary stuff. 

I would write the publisher and let them know how you feel whichever
way I went though. 

Just my two pennies.
-- 
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Would like to ask for some information regarding about debian's ins

[Marko Simendic]

 D-> Subject: Would like to ask for some information regarding about
 D-> debian's ins 
 D-> From: D-Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 D-> Sender: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 D-> Header-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

 D-> On Thu, Jul 05, 2001 at 07:07:11PM -0500, John Hughes wrote:
 D-> | On Thursday 05 July 2001 13:03, D-Man wrote:
 | >
 | > I guess you mean that you are in 10th grade (or your local equivalent)
 | > because middle school is really young to be understanding how Unix (or
 | > computers in general) work.  I started out with DOS 3.3 in 7th grade,
 D-> | 
 D-> | I think grade 7 is when I first installed redhat.
 | 
 | > and to tell the truth I didn't learn anything other than windows until
 | > I started college (I had a brief glimpse of Solaris, but not enough to
 | > understand that there was something other than MS and Apple :-)).
 D-> | 
 D-> | Now, im in grade 11, have long forgotten the ill-ness of redhat, and
 D-> am quite 
 D-> | comfortable with Debian and unix in general :)

 D-> Cool!  It is nice to see some people getting an early start using a
 D-> decent system :-).

 D-> -D

Greetings to all...
I decided to participate more actively in this list from now and I think that
writing this is the right way to start. :) The only thing that is preventing
me is the fact that I use e-mail over bbs (BW/MM combination) and the mail
exchange is very slow. And I have some technical dificulties, too. In spite of
that I will try to be more active (until I go on vacation, that is :>).
Anyway, my first Linux distro was Debian 2.1 in my 7th grade (summer vacation,
between 7th and 8th grade, to be more precise)only a year before I got my
first PC. Then I used RH and SuSE for a while, and came back to the real
thing with Debian 2.2. Now I have finished 1st grade (mid-school, 15 years
old) and I am still using it. The only thing I am sorry about is that when I
installed Debian, (knew nothing about it, had no one to ask) I didn`t knew a
nice feature of Debian - the Debian community. That`s the reason I want to
help. While we are at it, are there any Debianers from Yugoslavia here? I
woud like to exchange opinions in my native tongue specially about forming
some kind of unformal debian-user-society in Yu, if there isn`t any yet, of
course. :)

Bye!
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printing

[Marko Simendic]

 JC> Newbie here...

 JC> I've used unix systems for years and am certainly not an expert.
 JC> I'm new to Linux and just installed it on my pc. Why can't I print?
 JC> There is no lp, lpr command. There is a /dev/lp0 device and
 JC> my printer was recognized during installation.
 JC> I found documentation that said I needed to install a
 JC> package like LPD, but haven't found any packages that
 JC> refer to printer in dselect.

 JC> I think I'm going down the wrong path with this print
 JC> thing.

 JC> Any suggestions for getting print capability?

First do a "apt-get install lpr apsfilter". Then run apsfilterconfig.
You should be able to manage to do the configuration by yourself. If 
apsfilterconfig reports that he can not find a filter for your printer, 
just write down its name and apt-get it. Then check for /etc/printcap.
There are your printer names. Among them there is raw. Type "echo something 
> text" then a "lpr -Praw text". A paper containing "something" should come
out. :) Probably someone could give you a more sofisticated instructions, 
but this worked for me, so I see no reason that it shouldn`t work for you.

 

networking windows and linux

[Marko Simendic]

 DC> I'm currently trying to network a windows box and a debian box. I'm =
 DC> using ethernet cards and am able to ping both boxes respectfully. I use
 DC> = the windows box for the internet and mail (although once I am =
 DC> comfortable with Linux I will be converting fully).My question is how
 DC> do = I share the files from the windows box with the Linux box? And
 DC> while I'm = at it how do I share the Linux files with the windows box
 DC> (I really = don't care about that right now, but for future reference
 DC> maybe)? = Thanks.

 DC> Dan

"apt-get install task-samba"
then edit /etc/samba/smb.conf (it is easy)
and that`s it. You can connect to windows shares using smbclient 
"//windowsboxname/share -I [windows machine ip]"
use -I only if you don`t have a windows machine ip in /etc/hosts.

 

newbie installation problem

[Marko Simendic]

 ft> seem to find the module for the CD ROM drive during the installation. I
 ft> could

 ft> however run a shell & make a directory as /mnt/fd0 using
 ft> #mount -r /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom and then *cd* into cdrom and browse
 ft> directory etc of installation CD!!

 ft> And I also checked /lib/2.2.17/modules and there are modules, tho I
 ft> ain't sure

 ft> they are for the cdrom! The problem I figure is maybe the driver for
 ft> the cdrom
 ft> (TEAC CD 540-E manufactured Jan200 - I removed the cover and
 ft> checked..)is missing, tho installation CD had a module for TEAC,
 ft> matsushita etc.. and when I tried installing it said installation
 ft> failed! Any ideas what's wrong here? Should I go for 2.2r3?

I have the same cd-rom, and he doesn`t need any modules, as most of the IDE
devices... Just skip installing module for cd-rom.

 

Re: gdm slight differences

[Kyle Girard]

When you login via gdm  ~/.gnomerc is executed so put your stuff in 
there or symlink to it or whatever else make you happy. :o)

Kyle
On 08 Jul 2001 17:33:03 +, Victor wrote:
> When in a console I log in as user the file ~/.bashrc -tailored to add  ~/bin to the path directory - is executed.
> 
> Booting the PC up with gdm and logging as user it looks as though ~/.bashrc isn't executed  because under Gnome terminal I can't use any script in ~/bin unless I issue the command ~/bin/.script-to-be-run.
> 
> Am I right  and what should I do?
> 
> Ciao
> 
> Vittorio
> 
> 
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Re: PPP dialup utility

[Jaye Inabnit ke6sls]

use pppconfig and select your user!

On Sunday 08 July 2001 10:20, Victor wrote:
> While as root I'm able to define new accounts and use them as root
> with PPP dialup utility under Gnome, I can't even see the accounts and
> define new ones as a user.
>
> What should I do?
>
> Ciao
> Vittorio

-- 

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Re: Microsoft Reader... argh!

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 10:26:34AM -0500, Andrew Perrin wrote:

> According to Amazon, the MS Reader is available only for Windows.

Have you tested it under WINE?  That would let Linux and certain other
Unix-derivative users run it, although MacPeople would presumably still be
out of luck.  There appears to be no way to convert anything back from
Microsoft's .LIT format to something less proprietary.

Amazon (partly owned by Redmond) is selling exclusively in Reader format.
-- 
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Manager, Dueling Modems Computer Forum

PPP dialup utility

[Victor]

While as root I'm able to define new accounts and use them as root
with PPP dialup utility under Gnome, I can't even see the accounts and
define new ones as a user.

What should I do?

Ciao
Vittorio

gdm slight differences

[Victor]

When in a console I log in as user the file ~/.bashrc -tailored to add  ~/bin 
to the path directory - is executed.

Booting the PC up with gdm and logging as user it looks as though ~/.bashrc 
isn't executed  because under Gnome terminal I can't use any script in ~/bin 
unless I issue the command ~/bin/.script-to-be-run.

Am I right  and what should I do?

Ciao

Vittorio

[OT] sendmail FEATURE access_db - configuration help needed

[Jimmy Richards]

Hi Again,

I should have added that I get the following messages in my log
when trying use that config...

Jul  8 06:49:52 c243491-a fetchmail[9371]: SMTP error: 451 4.3.0
Temporary system failure. Please try again later.
Jul  8 06:49:52 c243491-a sm-mta[9373]: ruleset=check_relay,
arg1=localhost,arg2=127.0.0.1, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [127.0.0.1],
reject=451 4.3.0

Do I need to add myself(localhost) to the 'check_relay' ruleset or
something?


Thanks,

Jim

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Microsoft Reader... argh!

[Andrew Perrin]

Greetings folks-

I'd like to assign a book for a class this fall that is published only in
hardcover and in something called "Microsoft Reader" format. The MS
Reader format is about 1/2 the price, which matters (I don't like to make
students pay more than necessary, particularly at a public
school.).  According to Amazon, the MS Reader is available only for
Windows. Does anyone else know about this gizmo, what the format is,
etc? I'm not willing to let Microsoft have a monopoly on my class, so if
in fact it's Windows-only I'll either not assign the book (and let the
publisher know!) or make them go with the expensive hardback.

Thanks for any advice-
Andy Perrin

--
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 Assistant Professor of Sociology, U of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
  269 Hamilton Hall, CB#3210, Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3210 USA

Re: xv alternatives

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 02:53:22AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Carl Johnson wrote:
> > I haven't tried imagemagick recently, but it's crashed my system
> > enough times over the years that I avoid it whenever possible.  Unless
> > it has changed recently, it doesn't check memory.  If it runs out of
> > memory it will keep trying until the system daemons run out of memory
> > and start crashing.  I compared it against xv, xloadimage, and gimp,
> > and all of the others would abort an operation and give a warning when
> > they ran out of memory.  Of course, if you have *lots* of memory, then
> > it's probably safe enough.
> 
> This is what resource limits are for.

Hmm. 

I'd argue that this is what good coding is for. 

Mike

-- 
Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
"With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a
good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be
dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead." -- RFC 1925


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Re: Acrobat Reader & Linux distributions

[Michael B. Taylor]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 02:18:46PM +0100, Ted Harding wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I'm having problems with Acrobat Reader (version 4.0) segfaulting
> repeatedly on a SuSE-7.2. (This is with "Smooth text and images"
> turned on -- turning this off seems to cure it).
> 
> What are people's experiences with this version of Acrobat Reader on
> other recent Linux distributions?
> 
I have had trouble, stability wise, with pervious versions of Acrobat
reader on debian.  I think that may be in part because Adobe distributes
binarys, hence the program is not always compiled against the exact 
libraries that it will be used with.

My solution is to use xpdf.  I have found xpdf to be fast, light, functional,
and robust.  If suse doesnt package it (that would suprise me), you can 
get the source and build it yourself.  

Mike

Re: [users] xset (and therefore Abiword) doesn't work

[George Fischer]

Well, the directory already has a fonts.scale and a fonts.dir, but I did
this anyway.  There was no change to the error message (and the new
.scale and .dir files were much smaller than the old ones; I think
because there are other font types in the directory besides AFM and PFB)


"Martin F. Krafft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> use the script at
>   http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/4413
> 
> to create the fonts.scale file in that directory. then, simply
> run 'mkfontdir' and you should be set.
> 
> martin;  (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
>   \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -- 
> never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

[OT] sendmail FEATURE access_db - configuration help needed

[Jimmy Richards]

Greetings GNU/Linuxer's,

I am hoping someone might be able to help me with the access_db
feature in sendmail. Here's what I did to try and get it to work. I
made a file /etc/mail/access containing one line followed by a newline,
is the newline ok to have in there? (username changed to protect the
guilty)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]   REJECT

then ran...

makemap hash access < access

Then I edited my sendmail.mc(inserted at bottom of this message) and
ran sendmailconfig and said 'Y' to use the current sendmail.mc file.
The config ran with no errors. Then I said yes to restart sendmail with
the new config. Then I wrote myself an e-mail and tried to send it off.
But the mailq command said 'Connection refused by localhost'

c243491-a:~# mailq
MSP Queue status...
/var/spool/mqueue-client (1 request)
-Q-ID- --Size-- -Q-Time- Sender/Recipient---
f68Cq8m7009404   21 Sun Jul  8 06:52 longshot
 (Deferred: Connection refused by localhost)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Total requests: 1
MTA Queue status...
/var/spool/mqueue is empty
Total requests: 0


### senmail.mc file minus the copyright portion ###

divert(0)dnl
define(`_USE_ETC_MAIL_')dnl
include(`/usr/share/sendmail/sendmail.cf/m4/cf.m4')dnl
VERSIONID(`$Id: sendmail.mc, v 8.12.0.Beta10 2001/05/29 12:00:00 cowboy Exp $')
OSTYPE(`debian')dnl
DOMAIN(`debian-mta')dnl
FEATURE(`access_db', `hash -T /etc/mail/access')
dnl #
dnl # General defines
dnl #
dnl # SAFE_FILE_ENV: `/' is the (Debian) default and will prevent users
dnl #   from writing to devices.
dnl #   If *all* your user accounts are under /home then use that
dnl #   instead - it will prevent any writes outside of /home !
define(`confSAFE_FILE_ENV', `/')dnl
LOCAL_CONFIG
define(`SMART_HOST', `mail')dnl
FEATURE(`masquerade_envelope')dnl
LOCAL_CONFIG
Cwc243491-a.aurora1.co.home.com
FEATURE(`use_cw_file')dnl
FEATURE(`use_ct_file')dnl
define(`confMAILER_NAME', `postmaster')dnl
define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN', `6h')dnl
define(`confTO_QUEUERETURN', `3d')dnl
dnl #
dnl # Dialup/LAN connection overrides
dnl #
include(`/etc/mail/dialup.m4')dnl
include(`/etc/mail/provider.m4')dnl
dnl #
MAILER_DEFINITIONS
MAILER(local)dnl
MAILER(smtp)dnl

LOCAL_CONFIG
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Anything pointers and help will be much appreciated!

Thanks for your time,

Jim Richards



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gcc problems compiling pcmcia

[Matteo Semplice]

Hi guys,
I am a little screwed up here... I upgraded some time ago to
potato (from slink) but I haven't yet upgraded to 2.2 kernels. The story
starts when I decided to recompile my 2.0.38 kernel to include vfat
support (not sure why it wasn't in in the first place given that I have a
win installation on the same machine as well!). To cut a long story short,
despite all my efforts, I broke my pcmcia modules, with the results that I
can't use my ethernet card under linux. (I hate to admit that I had to
rebbot into Win95 to write you!)

Ok, so now I have a 2.0.39 kernel that compiled flawlessly, but I
can't compile pcmcia modules to match it. I tried both with the .tar.gz
files and with the debian package and make-kpkg with no luck. I fixed the
obvious error, i.e. pointed \usr\bin\cc to gcc272 (i.e. version 2.7.2 of
gcc) and not gcc (which as in potato is version 2.95.2), but I still get
errors and the modules wouldn't compile. The log is at the bottom. I get
the same errors with make and make-kpkg.

I suspect that the problem is with gcc (gcc272 doesn't include the
g++ libraries: is that the problem? It suggests to get them from slink,
but the slink package is expecting gcc to be 2.7.2 and wouldn't install.
Would it be safe to force its installation or would that break my gcc
2.95.2?). Anyway, how would you come out of this? If I get a kernel and
pcmcia-modules from slink and start on those would I have at least
internet access without rebooting? And what about recompiling then?

Thanks,
matteo

Transcript of make-kpkg:


Warning: The d6r2.01.07.08 option only has an effect during
the configure phase -- in other words, since the file
stamp-configure exists, this option has no effect 
run make-kpkg clean or  if you know what you are doing,
manually remove stamp-debian, stamp-configure and 
debian/changelog for it to have an effect
Please hit return to continue
for module in /usr/src/modules/* ; do \
  if test -d  $module; then\
(cd $module;   \
  if ./debian/rules KVERS="2.0.39" KSRC="/usr/src/linux" \
 KMAINT="Matteo Semplice" KEMAIL="[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]"  \
 KDREV="Custom.1.00" kdist_image; then\
  echo "Module $module processed fine";\
  else  \
   echo "Module $module failed.";  \
   echo "Hit return to Continue";   \
   read ans;\
  fi;   \
 ); \
  fi;   \
done
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs'
test -f man/pcmcia.5 -a -f debian/rules
test root = "`whoami`"
test -f man/pcmcia.5 -a -f debian/rules
rm -f debian/files
make -f debian/rules MOD_DIR=/usr/src/linux clean-modules binary-modules
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs'
test -f man/pcmcia.5 -a -f debian/rules
umask 022; make ALL="`sed -ne '/ALL *= */{;s///;s/cardmgr.*$//;p;q;}' 
Makefile`" clean
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs'
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/modules'
rm -f core core.* *.o .*.o *.s *.a *~ .depend .depfiles/*.d
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/modules'
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/clients'
rm -f core core.* *.o .*.o *.s *.a *~ .depend .depfiles/*.d
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/clients'
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/wireless'
rm -f core core.* *.o .*.o *.s *.a *~ .depend .depfiles/*.d
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/wireless'
rm -f .prereq.ok config.mk include/pcmcia/config.h
rm -f include/linux/modversions.h
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs'
rm -f build-modules
test -f man/pcmcia.5 -a -f debian/rules
test root = "`whoami`"
KVERS="2.0.39" ./Configure -n --kernel="/usr/src/linux" --srctree \
  --cardbus --rcdir=/etc

 Linux PCMCIA Configuration Script 

The default responses for each question are correct for most users.
Consult the PCMCIA-HOWTO for additional info about each option.

Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]

The kernel source tree is version 2.0.39.
The current kernel build date is Sat Jul 7 15:33:01 2001.

Build 'trusting' versions of card utilities (y/n) [n]

The PCMCIA drivers need to be compiled to match the kernel they
will be used with, or some or all of the modules may fail to load.
If you are not sure what to do, please consult the PCMCIA-HOWTO.

How would you like to set kernel-specific options?
1 - Read from the currently running kernel
2 - Read from

Re: Problem with grep ?

[Joost Kooij]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 03:29:20PM +0200, Dominique Deleris wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joost Kooij) writes:
> 
> > No.  It appears to work fine, here.
> > 
> > $ type grep
> > grep is hashed (/bin/grep)
> 
> This is it ! Some days ago, I put an alias in my .bashrc as
> follows:
> alias grep='grep -l'
> 
> Commenting out this alias makes everything work fine again. I
> simply did not remember having set this alias :-)
> 
> Anyhow, what's wrong with this alias ?

The grep(1) manpage:

   -l, --files-with-matches
  Suppress normal output; instead print the name of each 
  input file from which output would normally have been
  printed.  The scanning will stop on the first match.

As you're pipe-ing data to grep -l, grep prints "standard input" as the
name of the "file".  It puts brackets around it, because it knows that
this is not a real file.

Cheers,


Joost

Re: [OT] detecting the RAM speed

[Brian Nelson]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 02:04:18PM +0200, Martin F. Krafft wrote:
> hi guys,
> a guy on ebay is trying to cheat. i got a 256Mb/133 SDRAM module from
> him, which wwas defective (according to memtest86). so i sent it back,
> and received a replacement. this replacement was not detected by my
> machine until i changed the bus speed for the RAM slots to 100Mhz (it
> was at 133MHz) before. aside from the fact that this module was also
> defective, how can i determine *for sure* whether the module is 100MHz
> or 133MHz? it has a sticker on it saying 133MHz, but that doesn't mean
> anything.
> 
> martin;  (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
>   \ echo mailto: !#^."<*>"|tr "<*> mailto:"; [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Well, I guess one way you could tell would be from the memory chips'
latency.  For 133MHz, it would have to be lower than 7.5ns (inverse of
133MHz) to be able to run.  Can memtest86 detect the latency?  Or
maybe the latency is marked on the chips?

-- 
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Unidentified subject!

[dude]

Hi all.

I am looking for software that
help documentation.

Something like a note-taking system,
but where i can add subcategories
to a sectiona dn continually add to it
as need.

Thanks

Re: Problem with grep ?

[Dominique Deleris]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joost Kooij) writes:

> No.  It appears to work fine, here.
> 
> $ type grep
> grep is hashed (/bin/grep)

This is it ! Some days ago, I put an alias in my .bashrc as
follows:
alias grep='grep -l'

Commenting out this alias makes everything work fine again. I
simply did not remember having set this alias :-)

Anyhow, what's wrong with this alias ?

Thanks for your help !

Dominique

Acrobat Reader & Linux distributions

[Ted Harding]

Hi Folks,

I'm having problems with Acrobat Reader (version 4.0) segfaulting
repeatedly on a SuSE-7.2. (This is with "Smooth text and images"
turned on -- turning this off seems to cure it).

What are people's experiences with this version of Acrobat Reader on
other recent Linux distributions?

With thanks,
Ted.



E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 167 1972
Date: 08-Jul-01   Time: 14:18:46
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Re: Printer help please!

[Brian Nelson]

On Sun, Jul 08, 2001 at 10:37:51AM +0200, Andrea Vettorello wrote:
> bernard wrote:
> 
> > For the last three days I have been banging my head against the wall
> > ("don't worry dear, its as pointy as ever it was" says my sympathetic
> > girlfriend) trying to get my printer to work. I installed potato some
> > time ago and tried to install cups, but didn't have much luck, so
> > I stripped everything off and re-installed lprng. I then used apsfilter
> > to configure things, the apsfilter printed a perfect test page but
> > when I used lprnothing! I tried with printtool which printed a
> > test ascii direct to the port but under lpr the printer muttered a
> > bit and then stopped. lpq -L gives me the following
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lpq -L
> > Printer: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  Queue: no printable jobs in queue
> >  Status: accounting at start at 14:35:56.401
> >  Status: opening device '/dev/lp0' at 14:35:56.452
> >  Status: printing job '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' at 14:35:56.468
> >  Status: printing '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' starting OF at 14:35:56.468
> >  Status: printing data file 'dfA779debian', size 42 at 14:35:56.468
> >  Status: IF filter finished at 14:35:57.631
> >  Status: printing done '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' at 14:35:57.631
> >  Status: accounting at end at 14:35:57.631
> >  Status: finished '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', status 'JSUCC' at 
> > 14:35:57.631
> >  Status: subserver pid 5782 exit status 'JSUCC' at 14:35:57.636
> >  Status: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: job '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' printed at 
> > 14:35:57.637
> >  Status: job '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' removed at 14:35:57.639
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't see much wrong with the permissions-I'm currently operating
> > root.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls -l /var/spool/lpd
> > total 24
> > drwx--2 daemon   lp   4096 Jul  2 14:53 lp
> > drwxr-xr-x2 lp   lp   4096 Jul  2 11:54 
> > stcolor-a4-ascii-color
> >
> >
> > debian:/home/bernard# ls -l /var/spool/lpd/lp
> > total 28
> > -rw---1 daemon   lp   1602 Jul  2 14:53 acct
> > -rw---1 daemon   lp  0 Jul  2 13:56 control.lp
> > lrwxrwxrwx1 root lp 35 Jul  2 13:56 filter -> 
> > /usr/share/printtool//master-filter
> > -rw---1 daemon   lp187 Jul  2 13:56 general.cfg
> > -rw---1 daemon   lp  0 Jul  2 13:56 log
> > -rw---1 daemon   lp  5 Jul  2 14:53 lp
> > -rw---1 daemon   lp346 Jul  2 13:56 
> > postscript.cfg
> > -rw---1 daemon   lp  0 Jul  2 13:56 status
> > -rw---1 daemon   lp   2847 Jul  2 14:53 status.lp
> > -rw---1 daemon   lp146 Jul  2 13:56 textonly.cfg
> > -rw---1 daemon   lp
> >
> > I would be pathetically crawlingly grateful to anybody who could assist. 
> > There is
> > absolutely no shortage of additional information-three days worth-if 
> > required.
> >
> 
> Frustrating when none reply, isn't?
> 
> Not an expert here, but i'm using pdq/xpd (tracking unstable =) with a stylus 
> color 880 and works quite well
> with the ghostscript stp driver. You don't mention your printer, but i will 
> suggest, as a starting point,
> www.linuxprinting.org (IIRC). About the permission, try adding your user to 
> the "lp" group (no need to use
> root)...

What about the permissions of your entry in /dev/lp0 or whatever
you're using?  I believe the lprng daemon doesn't use root priviledges
and won't work if the permissions are set wrong even if you're logged
in as root.

I had this problem myself.  I could print a test page in apsfilter
perfectly, but lprng printing wouldn't work until I changed the
permissions of /dev/lp0.

-- 
Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten

[Brian Nelson]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 11:57:15PM -0700, Kevin wrote:
> excuse me mister super leeto linux man.  if you looked at the headers
> you'd see im not even using ms-oe so blow me.  wtf should i use your
> standard for replies. get a life.

I know you're not using OE (which I didn't claim), but you're using
something that copies OE which is just as bad.

Most people on this list encourage others to comply to standards for
quoting, line wrapping, etc., when posting to this list because it's a
public list.  The more people deviate from the standards, the harder
it becomes to follow threads and understand what's been said.

It's not for me, it's for everyone on the list.  I think they'll
agree...

Any decent MUA (like mutt) will allow you to use a different
attribution and quoting string depending on where you're sending
mail.  Maybe you should look into that if you wish to keep your
non-standards for personal use.

> From: Brian Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:35:29 -0400
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten
> 
> On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 01:53:55PM -0700, Kevin wrote:
> > i just tar'd the dir, blew away the partition and recreated it.  still
> > dunno what caused it but oh well.
> > 
> > 
> > From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:27:55 -0700
> > To: "Martin F. Krafft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten
> > 
> > its a 200 meg partition.  i ran du -sh as root.
> > 
> > 
> > From: "Martin F. Krafft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:25:36 +0200
> > To: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [users] Re: /var being eaten
> 
> Please fix your attribution to something non-ms-oe-broken crap and
> quote the messages you reply to with "> ".  This thread is really
> obnoxious to follow with your current settings.
> 

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Re: Not Debian related. wvdial

[Martin Rowe]

On Sunday 08 July 2001 13:54, Wayne wrote:

> After I do all this I then start Netscape and try to go to some web
> page. The responds I get it that Netscape is unable to locate the web
> page.
>
> I tried to telnet into my isp, but I get host name undefind. I don't
> know which file telnet is looking into for the host name.
>
> Wayne
>
> P.S.  Does wvdial use /etc/ppp/pap-secret or /etc/pp/chap-sceret?

I don't know much about wvdial, other than it just works for me :) Do you 
have any nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx lines in your /etc/resolv.conf ? I 
get that sort of message if those are missing - going for an IP direct 
works, though.

Regards, Martin
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