Re: Can I use Debian for...

[Alex Malinovich]

On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 13:24, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote:
> I need a recent, stock kernel to use the drivers for the Ultracam with
> Linux.  I want to have a Netmeeting compatible videoconferencing client

GnomeMeeting should be what you're looking for here. It's not 100%
compatible, but it's close.

> (so my friends can contact me reliably) and a MS Messenger compatible IM
> client - preferably one that also allows the voice connection with

I'd personally recommend Gaim. It allows you to connect to MSN
Messenger, AIM, ICQ, and Yahoo services all in one client. No voice
connections or filetransfers however. Jabber clients will also allow you
to connect to MSN but with the same limitations listed above.

> I believe I'd be happy with Gnome or KDE.  I've the most experience with
> KDE, but I'm not using either while I'm hanging out in Win2k.

IMO, KDE is too Windows-ish. I prefer Gnome. But everyone's preferences
are different so just take whatever you're most comfortable with. Note
that if you do KDE with GnomeMeeting you'll probably need to install
quite a few Gnome libraries to get GnomeMeeting to run.

> Can anyone verify that I can do these things in Debian, and which
> distribution I will need to use?  These are the last barriers keeping me
> from switching to booting Linux first choice.

Debian will allow you to do all of the above. If you're not comfortable
with doing a LOT of reading and a LOT of work with software and
configuration, you might be better off with RedHat or Mandrake. But once
everything is set up and configured, Debian is, IMO the best distrib to
use. (Primarily due to apt.)

-Alex


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Re: KMail Crash - Please Help

[Addis Perez]

No trouble at all :)

Let's see ... I grep-ed the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives to 
see how many instances of qt appear and I got the following:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cache/apt/archives$ ls | grep qt
libqt2_3%3a2.3.1-22_i386.deb
libqt3-mt_2%3a3.0.3-20020329-1_i386.deb
libqt3_2%3a3.0.3-20020329-1_i386.deb

I do not know if there is another way of verifying which packages 
have been installed.  Keep in mind, I am using kernel 2.4.17.

I hope this is of help to you!
Addis

On Monday 06 May 2002 12:36 pm, Jatin Golani wrote:
> Could you please tell me which qt library packages you
> have installed. I just recently saw packages like
> libqt2-mt (multi threaded version of qt)...do u have
> that installed? I'd appreciate if u could tell me all
> the qt library related packages you have installed.


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Re: OpenOffice 1.0 ,debs?

[Cam Ellison]

Not to worry.  Let me also acknowledge you and the rest of the group for your 
time and effort.  Left-clicking my mouse a few dozen (or whatever) times took a 
lot less effort than you are clearly devoting to this.

Friday wasn't bad, at all, thanks.

I haven't had much time to play with OO yet, but it seems pretty good so far.

Cam


* Chris Halls ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 11:16:34AM -0700, Cam Ellison wrote:
> > There are a lot more errors than that -- any file being copied from types/* 
> > to ~/share/cde yields an error.  There is no /types dir in 
> > /usr/lib/openoffice, nor is there a /kde dir.  
> > 
> > This is a really boring way to spend a Friday morning.  How much more do I 
> > have to look forward to?
> 
> Sorry, I don't go through this list every day, so I hope you had a good
> Friday :)
> 
> Until this desktop environment stuff is fixed well, you can get a
> working Openoffice.org install like this:
> 
> 
> root# apt-get install openoffice.org
> 
> 
> user$ rm ~/.sversionrc ; rm -r ~/.openoffice ; openoffice
> 
> 
> 

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Re: mathematica fonts under sid

[Dmitriy]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 11:03:42PM -0400, Jack Howarth wrote:
>If someone else besides myself is running current sid and has
> Mathematica installed could you please try running it. I seem to 
> be seeing an internal failure in Mathematica finding all of its 
> fonts...
> 
> The Mathematica fonts are not properly installed in your system. Without
> these fonts, typeset mathematical expressions cannot be displayed properly.
>  
>
Same here.

> This error appears to be new as mathematica was running fine under sid
> until recently here.
>Jack

See
http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/linux/interface/fonterrors.html
for solution. Worked for me here (just steps 3-4 really).

I hope that helps.

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Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops

[Grant Edwards]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 07:00:22PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, 6 May 2002, Grant Edwards wrote:
> 
> > In the muc groups' articles, why not set the "followup-to:"
> > header to be the mailing list e-mail address?
> 
> Because newsreaders are expecting newsgroups to be listed in the
> followup-to, and it wouldn't work?

Though it doesn't obey RFC1036, slrn handles it -- I assumed
other newsreaders would also.

It would proably be more compliant with RFC 1036 to do

   Followup-to: poster
   Reply-To: 

The problem is that the RFC is a unclear on what "Followup-To:
poster" actually means.  The RFC text states tha the followup
is to be e-mailed to the article's "submitter". Unfortunately,
the RFC never defines "submitter".  It could be determined by
the From: the Reply-To: or the Sender: headers.

The RFC is clear that "replies" are to be sent to the reply-to:
address if present, but the RFC never actually states where
followups are to be e-mailed.  I _assume_ that Reply-To: is
supposed to be used (that's what slrn does), but it would be
nice if it were so stated.

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Re: /dev/video

[David Wright]

Have you tried mknod
mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0
ln -s /dev/video0 /dev/video
see linuxusbguide.sourceforge.net and read the USB-guide for more information


Yes, thanks, this works (and don't forget
  chgrp video /dev/video*
either.)

But I had thought that Debian was set up so that MAKEDEV would handle 
all device node creation and we admins wouldn't have to know major and 
minor device numbers any more.



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pppd ignoring idle option

[Matt Garman]

I'm trying to use pppd instead of diald for dial-on-demand
functionality.

I've got the dialing and connecting part working.  However, pppd seems
to ignore the "idle x" option I'm specifying in /etc/ppp/options.  In
fact, I even specified the timeout period on the commandline:

pppd idle 45 call provider

According to the docs, this should cause pppd to timeout and hangup
after 45 seconds.  However, it never hangs up.

I even did a "tcpdump -i ppp0" and waited for well over 45 seconds, no
traffic was shown.

I also tried using "idle 2" and pppd STILL doesn't hangup.

If anyone has any thoughts, I'd appreciate it!

Thanks,
Matt

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Re: low latency kernel

[Scott Wehrenberg]

On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 02:52:53PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote:
> AFAIK (from reading kt), the low-latency patch has not made into any
> of Linus' kernels.  The kernel pre-emption patch has made it into 2.5,
> but I wouldn't be playing with that right now;)
> 
I've been using the pre-emption patch for about 3 months now on 2.4.x
and I must say I would recommend playing with it now. I've had no
noticable problems and the speed up is worth it unless you're running a
server in which case I imagine 2.2.x with potato is still your best bet
right now.

Scott


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Re: Making a boot floppy

[Dan Griswold]

Walter Tautz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, 3 May 2002, David Smead wrote:
> 
> > Sorry for being so unskilled -
> > 
> > I just installed a new kernel and would like to make a boot floppy.  I've
> > wasted an hour on google and debian looking for how that is done.  I.e.
> > shove a floppy into the drive and type  ENTER.
> > 
> 
> whenever one runs into this difficulty, short of asking on this list,
> you should endeavour to run locate  where keyname here could
> have been boot. This may have led to the location of command that
> may seem appropriate. OR if the command is not on the system, doing
> apt-cache search boot may have been helpful.
> 

Good suggestion, although in this particular case ("boot"):

$ locate boot|wc -l   
973

$ apt-cache search boot|wc -l
139

In other words, a lot of hits to look through. So, I would add that it
can be helpful to refine the search:

$ locate boot | grep bin

For apt-cache, I see no obvious refining of the search for someone who
doesn't already know the name of the package that contains mkboot,
viz., debianutils.

$ apt-cache search debianutils
debianutils - Miscellaneous utilities specific to Debian.

But since debianutils is part of base, I guess it should be installed
already.

Another help can be the apropos command. See the man page.

In short, I think the OP's original question was reasonable in this
instance. Yet Walter's suggestions (perhaps with refinements) should
be heeded, as they work in the vast majority of cases (and _may_ have
led the OP to the answer, although not certainly).

Just asking for a little sympathy for the newbies (and not so newbies)
out there,

Dan

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mathematica fonts under sid

[Jack Howarth]

   If someone else besides myself is running current sid and has
Mathematica installed could you please try running it. I seem to 
be seeing an internal failure in Mathematica finding all of its 
fonts...

The Mathematica fonts are not properly installed in your system. Without
these fonts, typeset mathematical expressions cannot be displayed properly.
 

This error appears to be new as mathematica was running fine under sid
until recently here.
   Jack


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Re: Problem bei Installation

[Jaye Inabnit ke6sls]

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On Monday 06 May 2002 11:04 am, Andreas Eichner wrote:
> Weißt Du auch, wo es xfree86 4.2 Pakete (für Woody) bekommt? Ein Kumpel hat
> sich ohne sich zu informieren eine ATI Radeon 7500 gekauft. Und die wird
> eben erst vom 4.2 unterstützt

Grüße:

Ich denke, daß Sie ' Ihre Selbst rollen müssen '.  Tat mich eine sehr 
schnelle googlesuche und fand keinen Beamten noch die nicht offiziellen 
vorhandenen debs.

Übrigens ist dieses die englische Liste.  Ich hoffe, daß dieses gut für Sie 
übersetzt.

Gutes Glück zu Ihnen.

Tatah
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Re: My ultimate linux box - raid

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya

none of the onboard raid stuff works ( properly )...

- test it... pull the cable and see if it stil boots
and try it the other way with the other ide cable...

- if it works... than they may have fixed some of
the raid mirroring problems in hw  ( ie their firmware )

- in your box..sounds like you have $$$... buy a real hardware
  raid controller... and skip the (useless) scsi controllers

- drooling config ?? ( if ide mode ... or sdxx mode too )
boot off hda or hdc
- stripe hda to hdd
- stripe hdc to hdb

/home is raid5 ...  ( mirror that too if one is paranoid )

than backup  /home to /home.backup ( another raid array )

- i dont like hotswap...
- whatever caused the failure could propagate that failure
to the new hotswap disks... now you lose 2 disks..

- when things fail i like to know why before throwing
more hardware into the dying/dead box...

c ya
alvin

On 6 May 2002, Scott Henson wrote:

> On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 22:53, Michael Kahle wrote:
> > Here are the specs:
> > Case: Enlight Full Tower (EN-89020SX34)
> > Power Supply: Enermax 550W
> > Mainboard: Tyan Tiger MPX
> I hear MSI has some nice Mother boards.  A friend just picked up a sweet
> one with IDE raid built in and crazy extras.  They might have a dual
> processor model.  I also hear that new MOBO is seriously stable.  
> > Processor: 2x Athlon MP1800's
> > Ram: Crucial 1.5GB DDR PC2100 Registered
> > Monitor: Viewsonic P255f
> > Soundcard: Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum
> > Videocard: ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 8500DV 128 DDR
> >From what I hear radeon 8500 isnt fully supported till you get XF86 4.2 
> So you might have to wait to fully use that, but that said I use a
> Radeon VE which Im quite happy with.
> > CDROM: Plextor UltraPlex Wide or Some SCSI DVD player???
> > CD-RW: Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32s
> > Backup: I want a DDS-3 or DDS-4 tape solution... sugestions?
> > RAID: Compaq 5304 128 Raid controller
> > SCSI: Adaptec 2940W Controller
> > Disks: 5 Compaq 10k Ultra 3 SCSI
> > Drive Cage: Enlight EN-8720 Ultra 160 SCA Backplane
> > Floppy: Teac
> > Cooling: Any ideas?
> Now Im off to clean the drool off the floor before someone slips and
> falls on it.  
> 
> -- 
> -Peace kid
>   Scott Henson[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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> rapper Ice Cube said. "But these haters need to realize that  if you
> mess with the man upstairs, you will get your ass smote. True dat."
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Installing X on woody

[Jaye Inabnit ke6sls]

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On Monday 06 May 2002 09:08 am, D. Michael McFarland wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> After a hiatus of about a year, I've come back to Linux and have been
> playing with my first careful Debian installation.  Over the weekend I
> did a minimal net install of potato starting with the compact flavor
> of floppies, then used apt-get and some pointers gathered from this
> list to upgrade to woody.  Yes, I know I'm hanging onto the leading
> edge by my fingertips and my timing could be better, but the machine
> in question isn't doing anything critical and, anyway, it's been fun.
>
> Of course, I hit a snag, or I wouldn't be posting.  I didn't install
> XFree86 or any other X packages the first time around, thinking I'd
> wait and get the latest of everything once I'd switched to woody.
> That's turning out to be harder than I expected, with tasksel
> complaining about a missing x-window-system task and all my other
> attempts (with apt, etc.)  failing for want of some component or
> another, usually fonts.

Greetings Michael:

One of the ways I have used in the past is to simply use dselect and add 
something like kde, blackbox, or gnome.  That will cause a bunch of 
dependencies, and xfree86 will be one of them.  Before doing this however, 
you might want to first run dselect without actually selecting anything just 
to make sure you have all the basics that might have been missed on your 
install.

Also, make sure you have your sources properly added.  If you need a copy of 
the addresses, let me know and I will send you my working 
/etc/apt/sources.list file.

hth.  Good luck to you.

tatah
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Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

On Mon, 6 May 2002, Grant Edwards wrote:

> In the muc groups' articles, why not set the "followup-to:"
> header to be the mailing list e-mail address?

Because newsreaders are expecting newsgroups to be listed in the
followup-to, and it wouldn't work?

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Re: My ultimate linux box

[Scott Henson]

On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 22:53, Michael Kahle wrote:
> Here are the specs:
> Case: Enlight Full Tower (EN-89020SX34)
> Power Supply: Enermax 550W
> Mainboard: Tyan Tiger MPX
I hear MSI has some nice Mother boards.  A friend just picked up a sweet
one with IDE raid built in and crazy extras.  They might have a dual
processor model.  I also hear that new MOBO is seriously stable.  
> Processor: 2x Athlon MP1800's
> Ram: Crucial 1.5GB DDR PC2100 Registered
> Monitor: Viewsonic P255f
> Soundcard: Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum
> Videocard: ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 8500DV 128 DDR
>From what I hear radeon 8500 isnt fully supported till you get XF86 4.2 
So you might have to wait to fully use that, but that said I use a
Radeon VE which Im quite happy with.
> CDROM: Plextor UltraPlex Wide or Some SCSI DVD player???
> CD-RW: Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32s
> Backup: I want a DDS-3 or DDS-4 tape solution... sugestions?
> RAID: Compaq 5304 128 Raid controller
> SCSI: Adaptec 2940W Controller
> Disks: 5 Compaq 10k Ultra 3 SCSI
> Drive Cage: Enlight EN-8720 Ultra 160 SCA Backplane
> Floppy: Teac
> Cooling: Any ideas?
Now Im off to clean the drool off the floor before someone slips and
falls on it.  

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Re: Rebooting under a customized kernel

[W. Paul Mills]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (curtis) writes:

> Ok, after trying to compile the kernel now several different ways, I 
> still can't boot up afterwards. That is, on boot up while it's doing 
> the, what is it LILO 2.22  something like that, it gets 
> started and then starts over, and over, and over, and.
>
> So, I noticed that my initrd.img is pointed to 
> /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-386, whereas the custom kernel is 2.4.18.  Note 
> that 2.4.18-386 is the previous kernel, which I can boot into. So, I'm 
> thinking there should probably be a custom initrd.img for my custom 
> kernel, no?


Depends on how you built your kernel. If you built all the nessary
stuff to boot into the kernel, you do not need an initrd.img. In
which case, you would remove reference to it from your /etc/lilo.conf
file (in the section that references your new kernel), and rerun lilo.

Sounds like you are looking at the new kernel after booting on the
old initrd.img. Actually, you can reference both in lilo.conf and
boot from either. See man lilo.conf. Also man mkinitrd. There is
also good information in /usr/share/doc/mkinitrd as i recall.


Something like this:

## portion of lilo.conf

default=Linux

image=/vmlinuz
label=Linux
read-only


image=/vmlinuz.old
label=LinuxOLD
initrd=/initrd.img
read-only
optional

## end of lilo.conf

Make sure image & initrd point to the required file locations, or
symlinks to the required locations.

Paul


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Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 01:56:59PM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 09:17:24PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > (I think it would be a good idea for debian-user shadow
> > newsgroups to be moderated anyway, if nothing else so that they
> > can point to a mailbot that tells people they should be mailing
> > articles to the mailing list. However, I'm not even sure if the
> > person who would handle that reads this list.)
> 
> OK, now that I've finally understood what people have been
> explaining over and over for the past two days...
> 
> Here's another suggestion:
> 
> In the muc groups' articles, why not set the "followup-to:"
> header to be the mailing list e-mail address?
> 
> I don't think that can cause a loop, and it will allow people
> to follow-up from newsreaders.

Sounds plausible (as long as the Followup-To: header isn't already set,
maybe?). I forget who runs the muc.linux.debian.* lists - you might have
to track it down from the Path: header or something in order to make the
request directly.

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Re: devfs joystick question

[Jerome Acks Jr]

On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 04:31:34AM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> Just what *is* the path to the joystick device in /dev under devfs?  I
> do have my modules installed for it and everything, though I compiled
> them post-reboot...

I think you need to look for /dev/input/js[01]
If you have a usb joystick, check /var/log/messages to see what got
register.

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Re: USB & 2. 4 kernels

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 18:05, Bud Rogers wrote:
> On Monday 06 May 2002 06:51 am, Thomas R. Shemanske wrote:
> > USB modules (for keyboard and mouse (HID devices)) need to be
> > compiled staticly into the kernel (not loaded as modules) so they are
> > available at boot time.  You can do this with dynamically modules but
> > only if you run an initrd kernel (such as the stock Debian kernels).

So the KB and mouse are both handled by the same driver?
 
> Following advice of David Roundy, I built a 2.4.17 kernel plus relevant 
> usb modules.  My trackball works fine.  
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -a
> Linux twocups 2.4.17 #5 Sun May 5 21:50:31 CDT 2002 i686 unknown
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo lsmod| grep -iE 'usb|mouse|hci'
> uhci   24392   0  (unused)
> mousedev3808   1
> usbmouse1792   0  (unused)
> input   3072   0  [mousedev usbmouse]
> usbcore52064   0  [uhci usbmouse]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

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Re: PS2 mouse in X

[dman]

On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 12:05:17AM +0100, Daniel Rowell Faulkner wrote:
| I've just installed woody for my brother,
...
| 
| I'm using the software that comes with woody only at this moment in time.
| (Though an older kernel is still used as I've not found the time to
| put a decent one on, as I installed potato then upgraded)

apt-get works on kernels too (almost seamlessly, just double-check
the boot loader's config)

| The computer has an old mouse attached to it for now, it is attached
| to a PS2 port.  GPM works happily with the mouse and has had no
| problems what so ever.

| In X however I the mouse tends to freeze

| I had some trouble getting it to work initally as if the mouse is
| setup in X on /dev/mouse the mouse wouldn't work at all so it is
| setup as /dev/psaux instead which appears to work except for this
| random freezing.

I bet the problem is gpm and X are fighting over the device.  When two
apps read from the same device file, it is a race to see who gets
which bytes of data from it.  Have gpm repeat 'raw' and tell X to read
from /dev/gpmdata (a unix domain socket).  From my config files :


== /etc/gpm.conf

repeat_type=raw
type=imps2

# I'm using kernel 2.4 with devfs,
# use /dev/psaux on your brother's machine
device=/dev/input/mice 


== /etc/X11/XF86Config-4

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Logitech MouseMan Wheel"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Device" "/dev/gpmdata"
# Note: Protocol must match the 'type' set to gpm
Option  "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
EndSection



HTH,
-D

PS. it's not that hard to get right, but many people have lots of
difficulty with it; you're not alone in that!

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Re: My ultimate linux box

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Michael" == Michael Kahle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Michael> Hello, I am currently building a new computer to replace
Michael> my P150 overclocked to P166!  :) It's about time!

Michael> The system will run Debian GNU/Linux, so I want to ensure
Michael> that the hardware I go with will be compatable.  You
Michael> input is greatly appreciated.

Michael> Here are the specs:
Michael> Case: Enlight Full Tower (EN-89020SX34)
Michael> Power Supply: Enermax 550W
Michael> Mainboard: Tyan Tiger MPX
Michael> Processor: 2x Athlon MP1800's
Michael> Ram: Crucial 1.5GB DDR PC2100 Registered
Michael> Monitor: Viewsonic P255f
Michael> Soundcard: Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum
Michael> Videocard: ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 8500DV 128 DDR
Michael> CDROM: Plextor UltraPlex Wide or Some SCSI DVD player???
Michael> CD-RW: Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32s
Michael> Backup: I want a DDS-3 or DDS-4 tape solution... sugestions?
Michael> RAID: Compaq 5304 128 Raid controller
Michael> SCSI: Adaptec 2940W Controller
Michael> Disks: 5 Compaq 10k Ultra 3 SCSI
Michael> Drive Cage: Enlight EN-8720 Ultra 160 SCA Backplane
Michael> Floppy: Teac
Michael> Cooling: Any ideas?

Michael> I would like to add 2 more Ultra SCSI-3 Disks for a RAID
Michael> 0 config for the OS Any sugestions for where the system
Michael> should be on the disks?  I.e. I am going to have the 5
Michael> Compaq disks setup in a RAID 5 array and then the OS
Michael> mirrored.  Should I have a seperate disk for swap?

Sorry about the previously malformed post.my operating system in
an editor ran out of control ;-)

Just one comment: that is a noisy sucker you are building. I went from
P166 to XP2000 (Soyo Dragon+) and I bought what I thought were quiet
parts. It's still noisy..

Cheers!
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[no subject]

[Nick]

I have a connection with 32 IP's
Running Debian 2.2

Some info:
Gateway 210.15.251.133
end user IP  210.15.251.133
Netmast 255.255.255.224


eth1 is the adapter setup.
An extract of my network file.

/sbin/ifconfig eth1 210.15.251.134  broadcast 210.15.251.164  netmask
255.255.255.224

/sbin/ifconfig eth1:2 210.15.251.160 netmask 255.255.255.224 broadcast
210.15.251.164

I want to make 210.15.251.160 accessible to the out side world.
ATM i can ping 210.15.251.160 from the same box, but it is not visible to
the outside.
Have I made an error or is it not routed properly from my isp ?
Any help is appreciated

Regards
Nick


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Re: USB & 2. 4 kernels

[Bud Rogers]

On Monday 06 May 2002 06:51 am, Thomas R. Shemanske wrote:
> USB modules (for keyboard and mouse (HID devices)) need to be
> compiled staticly into the kernel (not loaded as modules) so they are
> available at boot time.  You can do this with dynamically modules but
> only if you run an initrd kernel (such as the stock Debian kernels).

Following advice of David Roundy, I built a 2.4.17 kernel plus relevant 
usb modules.  My trackball works fine.  

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -a
Linux twocups 2.4.17 #5 Sun May 5 21:50:31 CDT 2002 i686 unknown
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo lsmod| grep -iE 'usb|mouse|hci'
uhci   24392   0  (unused)
mousedev3808   1
usbmouse1792   0  (unused)
input   3072   0  [mousedev usbmouse]
usbcore52064   0  [uhci usbmouse]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

Thanks, David!

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Re: safe load average

[Kirk Strauser]

At 2002-05-02T02:15:36Z, Seneca Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So, something I was wondering about would generally be considered a
> maximum "safe" load average. I have had some problems with some hardware
> that look almost as if this machine wants to become a toaster (hopefully
> the hardware wasn't damaged, only confused, by the heat).

"Safe"?  I think you should be more interested in CPU states than load
average.  For example, consider running 50 webserver processes, all of which
are in an I/O wait state.  Your load average may be near 50, but your CPU
may be sitting mostly idle.  As another example, pretend you're running an
RC5 or Seti-At-Home client.  In that case, your CPU will almost certainly be
running at near 100%, but your load average may only be 1.0.
-- 
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PS2 mouse in X

[Daniel Rowell Faulkner]

I've just installed woody for my 
brother,
 
I'm using the software that comes with woody only 
at this moment in time.
(Though an older kernel is still used as I've not 
found the time to put a decent one on, as I installed potato then 
upgraded)
So kernel = 2.2.18
Debian dist = woody
 
The computer has an old mouse attached to it for 
now, it is attached to a PS2 port.
GPM works happily with the mouse and has had no 
problems what so ever.
In X however I the mouse tends to freeze, some 
times for only a short period of time, sometimes it unfreezes if I kill a random 
program and return to the X window.
I first thought it must be that the computer is 
doing a lot of work and is freezing while it's working but all thats been 
running is Mozzila and a couple of xterms. (fvwm window manager)
And the computer is a decent AMD K7 CPU and 40 gig 
HDD, 256 megs of ram and a large swap partition (which is way to big 
really)
So I thought that unlikely.
 
I had some trouble getting it to work initally as 
if the mouse is setup in X on /dev/mouse the mouse wouldn't work at all so it is 
setup as /dev/psaux instead which appears to work except for this random 
freezing.
 
I can't think of anything being amazingly obvious 
that I've missed (and I'll get hold of some more exact details later) but if 
anyone has any ideas of something stupidly obvious I could have overlooked do 
please say, else I'll continue my trial and error method to fix this 
problem.
(hmm, mouse driver/type may need double checking 
but it shouldn't freeze as far as I can see)
 
Daniel
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(Note, could any responses be sent to my e-mail as 
well as the list as I'm slightly reluctant to sign up, my mailbox being full of 
maillist junk as it is)

Re: safe load average

[dman]

On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:15:36PM -0400, Seneca Cunningham wrote:
 
| So, something I was wondering about would generally be considered a
| maximum "safe" load average.

I often run between .5 and 1 on my two machines (one desktop one
laptop).  One is my mail server, web server, desktop, and both are
music boxes.  When I'm not doing anything the load is less.  The lower
your load average the better; the less your system will be working and
the better responsiveness you'll get (in addition to cooler
operation).

I once managed a load average of 30.  I didn't have any load-limiting
options set in exim, and I flush a batch of around 900 messages
through it.  (this was when I let the mail sit on the school's server
because my system was down due to moving, etc)  I had no UI
responsiveness (X, and I couldn't switch to console) and SA's
processing time averaged around 30 or so seconds (usually 0-3 seconds)
per message.

-D

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Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Grant Edwards  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I don't know how "odd" it is, but I have confirmed that it
>doesn't used the moderation mechanism.  It uses an NNTP client
>program that harvests articles and sends them to the mailing
>list (discarding articles that originated from the mailing list).

Yes. Systems like this look reliable, but on almost every list
I subscribe to one of these gateways get problems and start
re-posting (and re-posting etc) articles back to the list,
or they start regurgitating weeks-old articles a few times
a year.

No matter how careful you are, it can go wrong, so it *will*
go wrong. Murphy and all that ..

>Using the moderated group mechanism is definitly not "how
>everybody else does bidirectional gateways too".

True. It's how everybody with a bit of common sense and a
few years of experience does it.

Mike.


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Re: Problems with VLAN and 3com card

[David Smead]

Michael,

I prefer 3Com cards personally and have never had that kind of problem.

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Sincerely,

David Smead
http://www.amplepower.com.

On Mon, 6 May 2002, Michael A. Miller wrote:

> Our network was recently changed to a cicso-based vlan system.  I am not
> a
> network export, so I can't give many details here).  Since the upgrade,
> the
> Debian (stable/testing) machine on my desktop has had intermitent
> problems
> with the network.  Our network admin tells me that there is a known
> problem
> with 3com network cards.  Tthe machine in question is a three year old
> gateway
> pc with a 3c905B card in it (built in, although not on the mother
> board).
> Sometimes I get frequent transmit timed out errors and sometimes I
> don't.
> When I put in a linksys LNE100TX card, I get similar problems.
>
> Is there anyone out there who has seen such a problem  who can give me a
>
> hint on where to go with this?  Our linux admins primarilly support
> redhat,
> and, while they haven't suggested it yet, I'm afraid they'll  eventally
> suggest
> that I drop Debian and go that route if I want support.  And I don't
> want to
> do that!
>
> Mike
>
>
>


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emu10k1 -> Line In routed to only 1 Analog output???

[Rohan Deshpande]

Hi there,

I was just wondering why, with emu10k1, the Line In (which is used by my
newly working TV Tuner (thanks guys!), is routed to only the first set
of analog speakers.  Is there any way I can get the Line In to go all of
my speakers? By the way, there's no need for stereo on the two outputs;
just simple redirection as mono since my TV Tuner is mono only.  Thanks
a lot!!!

-Rohan


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Rebooting under a customized kernel

[curtis]

Ok, after trying to compile the kernel now several different ways, I 
still can't boot up afterwards. That is, on boot up while it's doing 
the, what is it LILO 2.22  something like that, it gets 
started and then starts over, and over, and over, and.


So, I noticed that my initrd.img is pointed to 
/boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-386, whereas the custom kernel is 2.4.18.  Note 
that 2.4.18-386 is the previous kernel, which I can boot into. So, I'm 
thinking there should probably be a custom initrd.img for my custom 
kernel, no?


Curtis


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Re: IDE cd burner acting flakey w/cdrecord

[Matt Garman]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 11:55:37AM -0500, Robert wrote:
> First the most commonly asked for info: Second, the real problem is
> that for a long while now, I've not been able to burn CDs.  I can't
> give examples of the exact error at the moment (not at home ATM),
> but sometimes (rarely) I can get it to do a dummy run.  Most of the
> time, it never starts "writing", but instead just gives ...
> checksum? ...  errors and fails out.  Non-dummy runs work out the
> same, sometimes giving me coasters, sometmes not...

I used to have similar problems with my Plextor PlexWriter 4x12
internal SCSI CDR.  Out of nowhere about half of my cd writes started
to fail.

What fixed my problem (at least for a short while) was setting the
cdrecord process to a very high priority (as root).  I had a few lines
like this in root's ~/.bashrc:

alias makedatacd="nice --adjustment=-19 cdrecord -v -dev=0,3,0 \
-eject speed=16 cdimage"

I believe -19 is the second highest priority setting on Linux.

I upgraded to a new CD burner (a Yamaha 16x SCSI CDR) shortly after
taking this route.  But I haven't had even a single bad burn since
getting the new writer.

It's something to try, anyway, if you haven't already.

Good luck!
Matt

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Problems with VLAN and 3com card

[Michael A. Miller]

Our network was recently changed to a cicso-based vlan system.  I am not
a
network export, so I can't give many details here).  Since the upgrade,
the
Debian (stable/testing) machine on my desktop has had intermitent
problems
with the network.  Our network admin tells me that there is a known
problem
with 3com network cards.  Tthe machine in question is a three year old
gateway
pc with a 3c905B card in it (built in, although not on the mother
board).
Sometimes I get frequent transmit timed out errors and sometimes I
don't.
When I put in a linksys LNE100TX card, I get similar problems.

Is there anyone out there who has seen such a problem  who can give me a

hint on where to go with this?  Our linux admins primarilly support
redhat,
and, while they haven't suggested it yet, I'm afraid they'll  eventally
suggest
that I drop Debian and go that route if I want support.  And I don't
want to
do that!

Mike


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RE: lame and Debian packages

[justin cunningham]

Thanks, I wondered if there were fakeroot limitations.  -justin

-Original Message-
From: Colin Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Colin Watson
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:51 PM
To: Debian User List
Subject: Re: lame and Debian packages

On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 07:41:57AM +0900, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > "Colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Colin> Generally speaking, do as little as possible as root. You
> Colin> don't need root privileges to build Debian packages at all;
> Colin> just install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
> Colin> -uc -us' (or 'debian/rules build; fakeroot debian/rules
> Colin> binary' if you prefer').
> 
> Agreed.  It does require some "higher" privliages though.  To run
> 'install', I think.

Yes, this is commonly just to get uid 0 used in the filesystem tarball
in the .deb. fakeroot is quite adequate for this.

The only package I can think of that can't be built with fakeroot is
boot-floppies (due to the way it generates an ext2 filesystem image),
and perhaps you might run into some problems on some architectures where
fakeroot is less reliable. It's fine on i386 though.

Cheers,

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Re: exim mail error

[dman]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 01:55:47PM -0400, james wrote:
| dman wrote:
| > 
| > On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 12:41:43PM -0400, james wrote:
| > | Hello, I'm running exim as my mail server
| > | and I'm getting the following error:
| > |
| > | Any idea what this error means:
| > | 2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=root
| > | P=local S=311
| > | 2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 ** [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
| > | unrouteable mail domain "sympatico.ca"
| > 
| > It means that exim doesn't know how it is supposed to get mail to
| > a server that is responsible for the sympatico.ca domain
| 
| Ok, so how do I tell it how to get the mail to an extenal server?

Configure the routers correctly.  :-).  I don't know what is wrong
without seeing your config.  I can't even test it on my system because
I no longer have exim3 (I've got 4.04 now!).

Perhaps
http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user%40lists.debian.org/msg82754.html
will be helpful?

| > What does
| > $ grep local_domains /etc/exim/exim.conf
| > show?  sympatico.ca is NOT your local domain.
| 
| www:/etc# grep local_domains exim.conf
| # any data for it. This sets local_domains to an empty string, which is
| not
| local_domains = www.cell.dhs.org:localhost:www
| local_domains_include_host = true
| local_domains_include_host_literals = true
| # in the "local_domains" setting above.

That looks mostly alright.  The fact that 'www' is a local domain is
why sending mail to '@www' works -- exim delivers it directly to
/var/mail/ itself and that piece of the routing is configured
correctly.  (note that 'www' is not a FQDN and isn't the greatest idea
for a local domain, but as long as you don't stick those addresses in
public places it won't affect anyone else;  the problem is that only
your system can send mail to @www)

-D

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cups hangs when defining a printer

[David Roundy]

I've been banging my head against setting up my new printer all afternoon,
and just when I thought I had it I ran into an error that has me stumped.

I'm trying to set up CUPS for my printer, and the error (as far as I can
tell) has nothing to do with the printer.  CUPS hangs when I try to
add the printer, whether I do it via the command line (lpadmin -p epson -E
-v usb:/dev/usb/lp0 -m escp2-c40ux.ppd), or via the web interface.  

The web interface is more satisfying, because then I can select the driver
I want (from the cupsys-driver-gimpprint package) before it freezes, with
about 60% of my cpu time eaten by cupsd, and 40% by admin.cgi.
Interestingly admin.cgi gets run (and takes around 40% of cpu time) even
when running from the command line.

Meanwhile, /var/log/cups/access_log fills up quite rapidly with

rof - droundy [06/May/2002:17:55:52 -0400] "POST /admin/ HTTP/1.1" 401 0

and keeps getting rotated.  It's a good thing cups does the rotation
itself, or /var would be full by now, I think.

/var/log/cups/error.log only shows

I [06/May/2002:17:55:16 -0400] Started "/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi" (pid=19
467)

I am at a complete loss here, and would greatly appreciate any pointers
anyone could give me.
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Re: screen messes up ncurses

[dman]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 04:07:53PM -0400, Seneca wrote:
| On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 02:38:33PM -0400, Juergen Fiedler wrote:
| > I am running screen 3.9.5-9 on a sid box. The problem is this: When I
| > use curses based applications like mc or mutt, all line drawing
| > characters are displayed as regular letters. Looks like the 8th bit is
| > stripped off the char or something. Does anybody know what to do about
| > that?
| 
| Regular letters are the regular charset version of the altcharset (where
| the line drawing characters are kept). I saw your update about it only
| happening in powershell, multi-gnome-terminal, and gnome-terminal. I'm
| not familiar with gnome... what does "echo $TERM" say? I'll see if I can
| dig up something I wrote to check for altcharset compatibility a while
| ago. It could be that it just isn't compatible.

gnome-terminal doesn't draw the line-drawing characters correctly.
It's why I (sometimes) have 'ascii_chars' set in mutt.

Anyways, $TERM is : xterm

-D

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[SOLVED] Re: weird routing problem

[martin f krafft]

the problem is solved, but i don't understand why. the reason for the
weird pings from 192.168.31.2 to 192.168.14.1, which resulted in:

  echo request: 192.168.31.2 -> 192.168.14.1
  echo reply:   192.168.14.1 -> 192.168.14.1

but which weren't a problem the other way:
  
  echo request: 192.168.14.1 -> 192.168.31.2
  echo reply:   192.168.31.2 -> 192.168.14.1

are the following netfilter/iptables mangle rules:

  iptables -t mangle -N mark-embryo
  iptables -t mangle -A mark-embryo -j MARK --set-mark 192168141
  iptables -t mangle -A INPUT -j mark-embryo

which i use for QoS to mark all packets entering the router with the
decimal mark 192168141. this caused the echo replies to be
rewritten/affected somehow, which is something that i can't explain,
and which definitely looks like a bug to me. the MARK netfilter target
doesn't (shouldn't) have any effect on the actual IP information!!!

any thoughts?

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Re: weird routing problem

[martin f krafft]

also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.05.06.2302 +0200]:
>  212.54.xxx.12  192.168.14.1
>   |
>   |
>   |
> 192.168.14.31  192.168.31.1
> |
> |
> |
> host>  192.168.31.2

oh, and before i forget,

192.168.31.2 can ping any of the one-legged hosts in 192.168.14.0/24.
192.168.31.2 can *not* ping any other fw like 192.168.14.31 in
  192.168.14.0/24, even though the fw allows icmp ping requests.
  (the fw's are fw-1's on windoze, so debugging's like impossible)
192.168.14.17 and any other host on 192.168.14.0/24 can not ping
  192.168.14.1 with the static routes in place. if i remove the
  static routes on the router, then everything's fine.

this looks to me like a massive linux routing problem, or i really
screwed up (which is hard to imagine for i've done this things many
times before).

the router is debian woody, custom 2.4.18 kernel with HTB+IMQ (QoS)
patches.

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Re: unreadable xterm :)

[Carl Johnson]

Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have the opposite situation from the OP - a large majority of my
> users insist that the default Xterm font is too tiny and (quite
> rightly) complain about having to manually increase the font size to
> "Huge" whenever they open a new terminal.

See below.

> On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 09:06:28AM -0700, Carl Johnson wrote:
> > You can set any of the fonts with entries in your .Xresources file.
> > There are 6 fonts sizes plus the default, and any or all can be reset.
> > Look at the "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm" file to see what
> > the defaults are (unreadable is nil2 in mine).  I use entries such as
> > "XTerm*font:" to set the default, and "XTerm*font3:" to set font 3.
> 
> That's all very nice, but, as I read it, that allows you to specify
> that 'font 3 = Helvetica Runic 72' or whatever, but what I (and, I
> suspect, the OP) am looking for is a way (.Xresources would work for
> me, but I suspect the OP needs a command-line option) to tell xterm
> 'when you open, use the Huge font instead of the default font'.

Obviously I was too terse in my first explanation.  The 'XTerm*font:'
is used to specify the font descriptor for the desired default font,
and can be the same as any of the six extra fonts, or completely
different.  This default font will be the font that the xterm opens
with and the default font in the menu, unless the user overrides it in
some other way.  If you have multiple users, you might want to put the
options in "/etc/X11/Xresources/xterm".  For example, I have the
following entries in my '~/.Xresources' file:

XTerm*font:  -etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-120-100-100-c-80-iso8859-3
XTerm*font1: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-3
XTerm*font2: -etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-3
XTerm*font3: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-c-90-iso8859-3
XTerm*font4: -etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-120-100-100-c-80-iso8859-3
XTerm*font5: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso8859-3
XTerm*font6: -etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-3

If you are putting these in '/etc/X11/Xresources/xterm', then look at
the '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm' file for the equivalent
resource names.  If you think I'm still not clear or too terse, then
ask again.
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Re: My ultimate linux box

[Thorsten Haude]

Hi,

* Michael Kahle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-05-06 04:53]:
>The system will run Debian GNU/Linux, so I want to ensure that the hardware
>I go with will be compatable.  You input is greatly appreciated.
My two most important hardware things are the screen (Eizo F56, but
you should choose one from this century) and my keyboard (Cherry
G80-5000 ErgoPlus). Add a good mouse, a good chair and a good desk and
everything else is just icing.

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Re: screen messes up ncurses

[Seneca]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 02:38:33PM -0400, Juergen Fiedler wrote:
> I am running screen 3.9.5-9 on a sid box. The problem is this: When I
> use curses based applications like mc or mutt, all line drawing
> characters are displayed as regular letters. Looks like the 8th bit is
> stripped off the char or something. Does anybody know what to do about
> that?

Regular letters are the regular charset version of the altcharset (where
the line drawing characters are kept). I saw your update about it only
happening in powershell, multi-gnome-terminal, and gnome-terminal. I'm
not familiar with gnome... what does "echo $TERM" say? I'll see if I can
dig up something I wrote to check for altcharset compatibility a while
ago. It could be that it just isn't compatible.

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weird routing problem

[martin f krafft]

hi debian folk, i am in desperate need of your wisdom, patience, and
help!

i have a network setup as follows:


 212.54.xxx.12  192.168.14.1
  |
  |
  |
192.168.14.31  192.168.31.1
|
|
|
host>  192.168.31.2


the only thing doing PAT (masquerading) is the router, the firewall
does *not* NAT!

my probem is as follows:

  when i sit at the 192.168.31.2 machine, and i ping 192.168.14.1,
  then the echo request properly traverses the firewall (its default
  route), and the firewall hands it off its 192.168.14.31 IP to the
  router at 192.168.14.1.

  in order for replies to come back, i have added a static route to
  the router with the following command:

  #> route add -net 192.168.31.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 \
   gw 192.168.14.31 metric 1

  which makes the routing table look like this:

  #> route -n
  212.54.xxx.10.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH  0  0  0   eth0
  192.168.14.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U   0  0  0   eth1
  192.168.31.0192.168.14.31   255.255.255.0   UG  1  0  0   eth1
  0.0.0.0 212.54.xxx.10.0.0.0 UG  0  0  0   eth0

  however, the echo replies never get there. and best of all, here's
  tcpdump's output on the router:

  #> tcpdump -ni any
  tcpdump: listening on any
  22:54:17.981373 192.168.31.2 > 192.168.14.1: icmp: echo request (DF)
  22:54:17.982174 192.168.14.1 > 192.168.14.1: icmp: echo reply
  22:54:18.981352 192.168.31.2 > 192.168.14.1: icmp: echo request (DF)
  22:54:18.982102 192.168.14.1 > 192.168.14.1: icmp: echo reply

  *but*: sitting at the router and pinging 192.168.31.2:

  %> ping -nc1 192.168.31.2
  PING 192.168.31.2 (192.168.31.2): 56 data bytes
  64 bytes from 192.168.31.2: icmp_seq=0 ttl=128 time=3.6 ms

would you agree with me that there's something wrong?

but in any case, would you like to tell me _what_ is wrong?

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troubles

[Maarten Visser]

i'm trying to get Debian woody3,0 installed on my 
system, during installation there are 3 errors occured, 3 games cannot be 
installed because they dont have a valid signature so i said, ok no problem no 
games then nothing to worrie
but after these 3 errors the whole installation 
stopped and only standard things were installed, installation finishes and i try 
to acces startx   gives me 3 errors that some packages are missing 
???
so i did   tasksell   and only 
got X Window selected so no games or whatever but it still requires for those 3 
games and installation stops again
(installing debian woody 3,0 from the cd's on the 
ftp sites)
 
what to do??
PLZ help me out
 
Greetz Maarten Visser  from  
Holland
 
 

Re: make bin image

[Vineet Kumar]

* Ernst-Magne Vindal ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020506 02:54]:
> On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 09:50, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> 
> Thanks, that works fine, on almost any cd:)
> I have a problem with am movie. The fileformat is mpg2 and the file is
> splitted up to tre cd's. It seames like no matther what or how I am
> trying to copy, dd, tar or whatewer, the same is happening every time. I
> am getting an error ( io error) bacause it cant find the end of the
> file. (Of cause it cant find it, its on cd3)
> any ideas?

This shouldn't have anything to do with the end of the file. dd doesn't
deal with files, it just takes bits from input and sticks them on
output. In this case, telling it to read from the raw cd device, it will
just read all of the bits from the disc and dump them in a file called
'cdimage'.

The disc works fine? If you're getting an ioerror, it sounds like it
might be scratched or something; the drive is having difficulty reading
from the disc. I can't be sure, though. Can you paste in the exact
message that you see?

In the case of a file split up onto 3 discs, you should be able to just
dd them off and append them together and it should be fine.

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Michael Jinks wrote:

>FWIW, after Friday's round of dist-upgrade my gnomecal problems went
>away, apparently a bug made it into the archive and was fixed a few days
>later, or so I'd guess.
>
>-mrj
>
>On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 11:15:53PM -0600, Art Edwards wrote:
>
>>Yes, it happened to me as well. 
>>Is there any simple, relatively painless, way to reinstall testing from
>>the beginning after going through many many dist-upgrades? I have heard
>>that people are having little or no difficulty upgrading from stable
>>now. Is this true?
>>
>>Incidentally, this morning xemacs started acting inappropriately.
>>paren-highlighting is acting hyperactive. anyone else experiencing that?
>>
>>Art Edwards
>>
>>On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:28:58PM -0500, Michael Jinks wrote:
>>
>>>Hi all; as of this morning, gnomecal has started segfaulting on my
>>>workstation (woody/intel).  I don't think it's due to any corruption in
>>>my data files, since it happens regardless of which user runs the
>>>program including a new dummy user with no previous calendar history.
>>>
>>>I did apply the latest upgrades yesterday afternoon, so I'm wondering if
>>>something might have introduced a bug.  I did another apt-get upgrade
>>>this morning after discovering the calendar problem but it hasn't
>>>helped.
>>>
>>>I guess all I'm really asking is, has anybody else had this problem or
>>>is it just me?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>-mrj
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>
I also have a working gnomecal. Interestinly, the dist-upgrade commands 
did nothing because there were no new packages.

Mystified but content

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Re: unreadable xterm :)

[Vineet Kumar]

* Dave Sherohman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020506 07:58]:
> I have the opposite situation from the OP - a large majority of my
> users insist that the default Xterm font is too tiny and (quite
> rightly) complain about having to manually increase the font size to
> "Huge" whenever they open a new terminal.
> 
> On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 09:06:28AM -0700, Carl Johnson wrote:
> > You can set any of the fonts with entries in your .Xresources file.
> > There are 6 fonts sizes plus the default, and any or all can be reset.
> > Look at the "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm" file to see what
> > the defaults are (unreadable is nil2 in mine).  I use entries such as
> > "XTerm*font:" to set the default, and "XTerm*font3:" to set font 3.
> 
> That's all very nice, but, as I read it, that allows you to specify
> that 'font 3 = Helvetica Runic 72' or whatever, but what I (and, I
> suspect, the OP) am looking for is a way (.Xresources would work for
> me, but I suspect the OP needs a command-line option) to tell xterm
> 'when you open, use the Huge font instead of the default font'.

I have something like this in my .Xresources:

*font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15
*VT100*font2: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-70-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15
*VT100*font3: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-100-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15
*VT100*font4: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15
*VT100*font5: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-140-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15
*VT100*font6: -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-*-*-200-*-*-c-*-iso8859-15

The first line sets the default font. If you want to make them all
larger, just up all the font size numbers (i.e. the 120, 70, 100, 120,
140, 200 above). IMO, it makes more sense to set all of the values to be
reasonable and then still be able to go up or down than to stick with
the defaults but always be sitting at the largest setting.

Another trick, in case you or your users are often changing font sizes
in xterms, try using shift with the keypad + or - to change font sizes
quickly, without having to go through the menus. This way, you can
easily shrink windows out of the way to save some real estate, and
regrow your current window to save some eyestrain =)

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Re: OpenOffice.org & Woody

[Paul Smith]

%% craigw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  >> 3. stability. OpenOffice seems prone to crashing when opening Microshaft
  >> crap that it can't handle. 5.2 is solid as a rock.  If anything, it
  >> may refuse to open the document, or open it and render it
  >> poorly. But it will not crash.  OpenOffice will crash. Then you
  >> wind up sitting and waiting as you restart it. I do not download &
  >> install nightly builds of OpenOffice.  Perhaps this has improved in
  >> the past month. I expect that if it hasn't, it will.

I haven't had any problems with 641C or the newly released 1.0.  Maybe
the people who send me docs aren't knowledgeable enough to create such
difficult ones :).

  c> P.S. It has been known to happen that I have worked on a document
  c> for several days without saving, or even all week, then saved on
  c> Friday. Not common practice, of course, but it has been known to
  c> happen. When I realize that I have done such a thing, I thank my
  c> lucky stars that I am using a stable program on a stable operating
  c> system.

OpenOffice has an "auto-save" feature anyway.  This saved my bacon a few
times back in the bad old 638 days when crashes were not uncommon on my
box.

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Re: OpenOffice.org & Woody

[craigw]

On Mon May 06, 2002 at 12:04:01PM -0700, Jeff wrote:
> craigw, 2002-May-06 12:36 -0700:
> > P.S. It has been known to happen that I have worked on a document for
> > several days without saving, or even all week, then saved on Friday. Not
> > common practice, of course, but it has been known to happen. When I
> > realize that I have done such a thing, I thank my lucky stars that I am
> > using a stable program on a stable operating system.
> 
> Even though OO is prone to hang/crash, when I restart it, OO has
> always recovered my working document properly.  This a helluva
> lot more than I can say for the same situation using Microshaft
> stuff.
> 
Yes. I noticed this once or twice. Not enought that I am ready to depend
upon it, but still quite impressed.
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Re: OpenOffice.org & Woody

[Jeff]

craigw, 2002-May-06 12:36 -0700:
> P.S. It has been known to happen that I have worked on a document for
> several days without saving, or even all week, then saved on Friday. Not
> common practice, of course, but it has been known to happen. When I
> realize that I have done such a thing, I thank my lucky stars that I am
> using a stable program on a stable operating system.

Even though OO is prone to hang/crash, when I restart it, OO has
always recovered my working document properly.  This a helluva
lot more than I can say for the same situation using Microshaft
stuff.

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Re: OpenOffice.org & Woody

[craigw]

On Mon May 06, 2002 at 12:20:54PM -0700, craigw wrote:
> On Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:07:12PM -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> > %% craigw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> >   c> What, are you on drugs or something? Come on man, are you pullin' my 
> > leg
> >   c> or what? It's a pig. A bloated, stuck pig. I see no problem with the
> >   c> operating speed, but the loading speed sucks.
> > 
> >   c> -They removed the "integrated desktop" (which I, obviously an oddball,
> >   c> happen to like. I might be the only person in the world who does. But I
> >   c> leave StarOffice running, it's on its own desktop, there are certain
> >   c> things I do with it, I don't have to wait for it to launch since I just
> >   c> leave it running...)
> > 
> >   c> after all this, the damn thing takes forever to launch.
> > 
> > Wait, I don't get it... if you were happy leaving StarOffice running in
> > the background, why don't you do the same thing with OpenOffice?
> > 
> > If OO is already started then bringing up new documents in it doesn't
> > take very long at all.
> > 
> yes, quite true. 
> the reasons I still use 5.2:
> 1. the calendar. as stated, I am still using StarOffice Schedule
> 2. the integrated desktop. as stated, I happen to like it. I wish that
> it were available as an option in the new product.
> 3. stability. OpenOffice seems prone to crashing when opening Microshaft
> crap that it can't handle. 5.2 is solid as a rock.  If anything, it may 
> refuse to open the
> document, or open it and render it poorly. But it will not crash.
> OpenOffice will crash. Then you wind up sitting and waiting as you
> restart it. I do not download & install nightly builds of OpenOffice.
> Perhaps this has improved in the past month. I expect that if it hasn't,
> it will.
> 
P.S. It has been known to happen that I have worked on a document for
several days without saving, or even all week, then saved on Friday. Not
common practice, of course, but it has been known to happen. When I
realize that I have done such a thing, I thank my lucky stars that I am
using a stable program on a stable operating system.

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Re: screen messes up ncurses

[Juergen Fiedler]

Update: This only seems to occur under X, using the Gnome terminals 
(gnome-terminal 1.4.0.8-2, multi-gnome-terminal 1.4.1-1 or powershell 0.9-6).
Regular xterm works OK. Sorry for not investigating that upfront.

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Re: OpenOffice.org & Woody

[craigw]

On Mon May 06, 2002 at 03:07:12PM -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> %% craigw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>   c> What, are you on drugs or something? Come on man, are you pullin' my leg
>   c> or what? It's a pig. A bloated, stuck pig. I see no problem with the
>   c> operating speed, but the loading speed sucks.
> 
>   c> -They removed the "integrated desktop" (which I, obviously an oddball,
>   c> happen to like. I might be the only person in the world who does. But I
>   c> leave StarOffice running, it's on its own desktop, there are certain
>   c> things I do with it, I don't have to wait for it to launch since I just
>   c> leave it running...)
> 
>   c> after all this, the damn thing takes forever to launch.
> 
> Wait, I don't get it... if you were happy leaving StarOffice running in
> the background, why don't you do the same thing with OpenOffice?
> 
> If OO is already started then bringing up new documents in it doesn't
> take very long at all.
> 
yes, quite true. 
the reasons I still use 5.2:
1. the calendar. as stated, I am still using StarOffice Schedule
2. the integrated desktop. as stated, I happen to like it. I wish that
it were available as an option in the new product.
3. stability. OpenOffice seems prone to crashing when opening Microshaft
crap that it can't handle. 5.2 is solid as a rock.  If anything, it may 
refuse to open the
document, or open it and render it poorly. But it will not crash.
OpenOffice will crash. Then you wind up sitting and waiting as you
restart it. I do not download & install nightly builds of OpenOffice.
Perhaps this has improved in the past month. I expect that if it hasn't,
it will.

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Drop-In Security Queries

[Soul Computer]

I need to know if it possible to set up a Debian
system so it does the following:

[1] Permits people to have private local accounts
[1]: I know this is a given.
[2] Set up a history log to track where people go
when they are using the system.
[3] Restrict where they can't go as needed.

Any help you can provide will be greately
appreciated.

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Re: Kernel 2.4.18-686 and PCMCIA woes

[Roach, Mark R.]

On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 14:31, Peter Whysall wrote:
> On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 19:36, Tommi Komulainen wrote:
> 
> There's something wicked in my 2.4.18-686 PCMCIA stuff, though, because
> here's the errors I get when I do: /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart
> 
> The wickedness comes from the fact that it should be using the 3c589
> driver, not the i82365 one - and on inspection of the

with 2.4 series kernels you need to be using the yenta_socket module
instead of i82365

look under /etc/pcmcia and in /etc/init.d/pcmcia for instances of i82365
and change them to yenta_socket this will get your card services working
properly at least (which you certainly need to do to get any card
working). I don't believe i82365 works on much hardware in the 2.4
kernels.

this should perhaps fixed by a simple if statement in the pcmcia
initscript to load the correct driver based on kernel ver.


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Re: OpenOffice.org & Woody

[Paul Smith]

%% craigw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  c> What, are you on drugs or something? Come on man, are you pullin' my leg
  c> or what? It's a pig. A bloated, stuck pig. I see no problem with the
  c> operating speed, but the loading speed sucks.

  c> -They removed the "integrated desktop" (which I, obviously an oddball,
  c> happen to like. I might be the only person in the world who does. But I
  c> leave StarOffice running, it's on its own desktop, there are certain
  c> things I do with it, I don't have to wait for it to launch since I just
  c> leave it running...)

  c> after all this, the damn thing takes forever to launch.

Wait, I don't get it... if you were happy leaving StarOffice running in
the background, why don't you do the same thing with OpenOffice?

If OO is already started then bringing up new documents in it doesn't
take very long at all.

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Re: OpenOffice.org & Woody

[craigw]

On Mon May 06, 2002 at 12:15:29PM -0500, John Foster wrote:
> "Jamin W. Collins" wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 2 May 2002 23:53:58 -0700
> > "Jaye Inabnit ke6sls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > Has anyone been able to get openoffice.org (via the debs) installed and
> > > running on a Woody Intel box?
> > 
> > Installed it yesterday on my Woody box.  Just needed to installed java and
> > all was happy (see earlier thread regarding this topic for information on
> > the java installation).
> REPLY
> Does the .deb installation improve on the loading/operating speed? The
> last 638c tarball is very slow Also can you do a .net install
> with the .debs?
> 
What, are you on drugs or something? Come on man, are you pullin' my leg
or what? It's a pig. A bloated, stuck pig. I see no problem with the
operating speed, but the loading speed sucks. I find it astounding,
amazing, and utterly flabbergasting that:
-They removed the email client (which I never used anyway)
-They removed the calendar (the main reason I use StarOffice)
-They removed the file manager
-They removed the "integrated desktop" (which I, obviously an oddball,
happen to like. I might be the only person in the world who does. But I
leave StarOffice running, it's on its own desktop, there are certain
things I do with it, I don't have to wait for it to launch since I just
leave it running...)

after all this, the damn thing takes forever to launch. You might as
well run down to Starbucks and back while you're waiting for that one. I
have been using StarOffice 5.2 for several years, and am quite happy
with it. I suppose I will eventually move to some combination of
Evolution, Gnumeric, Abiword, etc. I have been quite impressed lately
with Abiword's ability to open M$ Word files. But it's still not as good
as StarOffice, which itself is not perfect. One can only dream of a day,
in some perfect future world, where this will no longer be an issue.

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Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops

[Grant Edwards]

On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 09:17:24PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:

> (I think it would be a good idea for debian-user shadow
> newsgroups to be moderated anyway, if nothing else so that they
> can point to a mailbot that tells people they should be mailing
> articles to the mailing list. However, I'm not even sure if the
> person who would handle that reads this list.)

OK, now that I've finally understood what people have been
explaining over and over for the past two days...

Here's another suggestion:

In the muc groups' articles, why not set the "followup-to:"
header to be the mailing list e-mail address?

I don't think that can cause a loop, and it will allow people
to follow-up from newsreaders.

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Re: exim mail error

[Martin Hermanowski]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 12:41:43PM -0400, james wrote:
> Hello, I'm running exim as my mail server
> and I'm getting the following error:
> 
> Any idea what this error means:
> 2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=root
> P=local S=311
> 2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 ** [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> unrouteable mail domain "sympatico.ca"
> 2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xL-00 <= <> R=174f6U-0005xJ-00 U=mail
> P=local S=1079
> 2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 Error message sent to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 Completed
> 
> I get that error if I try this command:
> echo "this is a test" | mail -s "subject" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> If I type in the following command though it works properly:
> echo "this is a test" | mail -s "subject" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> So, I can't mail out past the machine that has exim running
> but I'm not sure why...
> 
> PS: the command that works might be mailing locally so it's
> success might have nothing to do with exim...

Check you dns-settings. What does `host -t mx sympatico.ca' return?

HTH
Martin


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screen messes up ncurses

[Juergen Fiedler]

Hello,

I am running screen 3.9.5-9 on a sid box. The problem is this: When I
use curses based applications like mc or mutt, all line drawing
characters are displayed as regular letters. Looks like the 8th bit is
stripped off the char or something. Does anybody know what to do about
that?

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Re: Sending keystrokes to a window from shell.

[Joachim Fahnenmueller]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 12:35:21AM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote:
> I'm trying to control xmms from the command line
( ... )
> Otherwise, any other ideas?

Hi Bill,

there is a deb package xmms-shell to control xmms from the command line.

HTH, Joachim

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Re: xdvi not displaying eps graphics

[Lars Jensen]

This is definitely an improvement, but all I get is still only the
boundary box. I used to see the whole picture by default when I 
started up xdvi. (I didn't even need to hit the "View PS" button.)

Any ideas how to do this?

Thanks,
Lars.

On Mon, 6 May 2002, Paul Huygen wrote:

> Lars Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > How do I get xdvi to display included eps graphics? [..]
> 
> xdvi has a button  that toggles the capacity to show the
> postscript pictures (one button above the lowest button).
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Paul Huygen
> 
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Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops

[Grant Edwards]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 05:53:03PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
>
> > I don't see how there is a possibility of a loop. If there _is_
> > danger of a loop, it must already be there, since I'm not
> > proposing that the gateway functionaly be changed in any way.
> 
> I'm surprised you don't see any extra danger of loops. The mail->news
> gateway must bypass the moderation on the group using an Approved:
> header. What happens if that mechanism goes wrong? Instant loop.

Thanks, I see how that could cause a loop.  That's what I've
been asking for.

> > Perhaps my idea wouldn't work.  I'd be happy to listen to an
> > reasons why it wouldn't, but so far all people seem to do be
> > doing is knocking down sraw men.
> 
> It's not that it wouldn't work. I'm just attempting to explain why it's
> not something that should be done without thought, and why it's not a
> "you could just do this". However, I seem to be talking to a brick wall,
> so I'll leave the discussion now.

Sorry to sound obtuse, but people kept pointing out the
problems with news->mail bots and gateways and that wasn't what
I was suggesting.

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Re: Installing X on woody

[D. Michael McFarland]

craigw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I did a net install of woody a couple days ago, using a CD I burned

That's what I probably should have done.

> I have decided that I will never again touch dselect. Not with a ten
> foot pole. You couldn't pay me enough to suffer the agony and
> frustration of using dselect.

I suppose I feel I need to master it for use in a pinch.  Maybe I'm a
traditionalist.  Maybe a masochist.  Maybe just dense.

> So anyways, finally, in answer to your question, here is the recipe that
> I used which much success for installing X:
>
> apt-get install task-gnome-apps task-gnome-desktop task-gnome-net

Yes, I can see that would pick up a few dependencies. :-)  But I'm not
sure I want Gnome, at least not yet.

> I don't know, maybe I was just lucky. YMMV.

The tools are impressive, to be sure, if a little daunting (and I
think I know what I'm trying to do).  Just gimme an evening to digest
them all.

> You might consider posting what packages you have installed, what method
> you are attempting for further installation, what error messages you are
> getting regarding which conflicts &/or depends, etc.

Another response, suggesting dselect, went into enough detail that I
think I can muddle through.  If not, I'll be back with a more specific
failure.  Thanks much for your interest and advice.

Michael


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Re: Problem bei Installation

[Andreas Eichner]

Am Montag, 6. Mai 2002 19:48 schrieb Stefan Werner:
> http://dugfaq.sylence.net/dug-faq/node7.html#SECTION00072000
> steht woher du xfree 4.x Pakete für potato bekommst.
>

Weißt Du auch, wo es xfree86 4.2 Pakete (für Woody) bekommt? Ein Kumpel hat 
sich ohne sich zu informieren eine ATI Radeon 7500 gekauft. Und die wird eben 
erst vom 4.2 unterstützt


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Re: Installing X on woody

[D. Michael McFarland]

Andrew Agno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I've never used tasksel, but my install of X went fine using dselect
> to select xfree86-common, xserver-common and xserver-xfree86; I expect 
> that most everything else got pulled in automatically.
>
> Andrew.

Yes, that's the sort of hint I needed.  I'm going to need some time to
dig into dselect, because it looks like dselect believes I'm missing a
raft of stuff (and it's probably right), but thanks for the boost.  I
should be able to get some traction now.

Michael


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Re: USB & 2. 4 kernels

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
Thomas R. Shemanske wrote on Mon May 06, 2002 um 07:51:57AM:
> USB modules (for keyboard and mouse (HID devices)) need to be compiled 
> staticly into the kernel (not loaded as modules) so they are available 

With some keyboard/controller combinations, the drivers hangs at
boot-time or spews with confusing "timeout" messages if the drivers are
compiled staticaly into the kernel, but work fine as modules.

> at boot time.  You can do this with dynamically modules but only if you 
> run an initrd kernel (such as the stock Debian kernels).

Bla. Or you put the needed drivers into /etc/modules (as done by
installer when using bf2.4 flavor).

> I have had no problems with USB and the 2.4.18 kernel, but I only use 
> mass storage devices.

Well, HID driver are more touchy.

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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Re: exim mail error

[james]

dman wrote:
> 
> On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 12:41:43PM -0400, james wrote:
> | Hello, I'm running exim as my mail server
> | and I'm getting the following error:
> |
> | Any idea what this error means:
> | 2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=root
> | P=local S=311
> | 2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 ** [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> | unrouteable mail domain "sympatico.ca"
> 
> It means that exim doesn't know how it is supposed to get mail to
> a server that is responsible for the sympatico.ca domain

Ok, so how do I tell it how to get the mail to an extenal server?

> What does
> $ grep local_domains /etc/exim/exim.conf
> show?  sympatico.ca is NOT your local domain.

www:/etc# grep local_domains exim.conf
# any data for it. This sets local_domains to an empty string, which is
not
local_domains = www.cell.dhs.org:localhost:www
local_domains_include_host = true
local_domains_include_host_literals = true
# in the "local_domains" setting above.

thx,
james

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Re: low latency kernel

[Josef Oswald]

Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 12:12:28PM +0200, Josef Oswald wrote:
>> Hi:-) 
>> 
>> At this  I use Kernel 2.4.18 with a 
>> 450MHZ CPU AMD-K3  <- I know it's /ancient/ these days :-) 
>> 
>> Now what I 'd like to know: do the newer Kernels still need the
>> low-latency patch or not?
>
> AFAIK (from reading kt), the low-latency patch has not made into any
> of Linus' kernels.  The kernel pre-emption patch has made it into 2.5,
> but I wouldn't be playing with that right now;)

So that would mean then I need to download a patch for 2.4.18

thanks for your reply to this question as well as answering to the
wxgtk problem.

:-) 
>
> -rob
>

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Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops

[dman]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 11:19:44AM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
...
| Right.  But I was proposing that the muc.* list be moderated.
| When somebody "posts" to a moderated group,
| the articled doesn't get posted directly to the newsgroup.  The
| article is e-mailed to a "moderator".

What happens when "somebody" is the existing mail->news gateway?

| My proposal was that the "moderator" be the mailing list.

That's your news->mail bot.  It's a bot because it isn't a person, and
it's news->mail because you proposed using your newsreader to send the
message via NNTP and have it gatewayed to SMTP.

| Thus, the new article is e-mailed to the mailing list (exactly
| as articles are now), which then mirrors it onto the newsgroup
| (exactly as it does now).

This is a description of a bidirectional news-mail gateway.

| There would be no news->mail gateway (exactly as there is none now).
| There is only a mail->news gateway (exactly as there is now).

Your psuedo moderator is the news->mail gateway.
 
| I don't see how there is a possibility of a loop. 

You have automated processes for converting mail into news and vice
versa.  How ever you want to describe/define it in terms of
moderators, etc, it is still a bidirectional gateway.

| If there _is_ danger of a loop, it must already be there, since I'm
| not proposing that the gateway functionaly be changed in any way.

You have proposed it to be changed or else there would be no proposal
:-).  You have proposed to automatically take new newsgroup postings
and send them to the mailing list.  

| When I suggested making the group moderated and mailing
| "posted" articles to the list, I was told that was a bad idea
| because of the danger of loops.  However, I'm still waiting for
| somebody to explain how such a loop could happen.

We've explained how loops occur many times.  Your fake moderator is
where the loop begins (if the balance isn't kept).
 
| Perhaps my idea wouldn't work.  I'd be happy to listen to an
| reasons why it wouldn't, but so far all people seem to do be
| doing is knocking down sraw men.
 
As Colin said, it is _possible_ to set up a properly functioning
bidirectional gateway (whether or not moderation plays a part is
irrelevant), but that it is tricky and a "minor" slip-up can cause a
loop.

You're welcome to try and set it up, as long as you don't flood the
maillist with loops :-).

-D

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Re: exim mail error

[dman]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 12:41:43PM -0400, james wrote:
| Hello, I'm running exim as my mail server
| and I'm getting the following error:
| 
| Any idea what this error means:
| 2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=root
| P=local S=311
| 2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 ** [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
| unrouteable mail domain "sympatico.ca"

It means that exim doesn't know how it is supposed to get mail to
a server that is responsible for the sympatico.ca domain

What does
$ grep local_domains /etc/exim/exim.conf
show?  sympatico.ca is NOT your local domain.

-D

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Re: Debian installer Developers - solved

[Darryl Caldwell]

I answered my own question:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=debootstrap&repeatmerged=yes


"Black Holes are where God divided by zero."
-- Steven Wright

On Mon, 6 May 2002, Darryl Caldwell wrote:

> How may I track down the developers who worked on the Debian install
> process? I haven't been able to get the installer to do a NFS install and
> am curious if that code is still maintained.
> 
> "Black Holes are where God divided by zero."
> -- Steven Wright
> 
> 
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Re: My ultimate linux box

[Michael Kahle]

Tom,

> This is my impresseion also.  In particular I wonder what use you
> could have for RAID 5, SCSI, tape backup, a Sound Blaster Audigy
> Platinum and an ATI All-in-Wonder on the same box.  The first three
> are definite server-ware, while the last two (and maybe the DVD
> player) sound like you are building a home entertainment system.  I
> once felt as though building a system of this order would make me the
> happiest man on earth.  I never got around to it, but still feel
> fairly happy with my lot.

I know it's overkill.  But it will make a fine server, and a fine 
entertainment box as well. :)  And it's fun.
 
> If you want a server, ditch the sound, video and DVD.  And maybe the
> flashy monitor - games don't go on a server.
> 
> If you want a flashy games box, ditch the SCSI, the RAID, the water
> cooling, the backup, one of the processors, two thirds of the RAM and
> about half the rated power of your power supply.

I dont want a server, I don't want a game box.  I want a workstation that I 
can run X at insane resolutions wile playing mp3s.  I want fast compiles.  I 
want my "Ultimate Linux Box".  What I am concerned about here is not how 
much money can I save, but will the components I have selected be well 
supported under linux.
 
> Either way you should be able to get a life and take some nice girl
> out to dinner on what's left over.  I don't recommend *telling* her
> it's the left-overs from your PC, though...

S, don't tell me wife that!
 
> Never argue with an idiot.  They drag you down to their level and then
> beat you with experience.

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Re: My ultimate linux box

[Michael Kahle]

> What are you going to be using this machine for? This sounds like
> overoveroveroverkill for a desktop machine (and inappropriate for a
> server...). Save yourself a lot of money and just get IDE drives and use
> software RAID, if you really want it. Then again, I don't know anything
> about your price constraints and requirements for the machine. My first
> instinct is that you could scale all of it back a bit, still be very
> happy with your machine's performance, and feed a small country with the
> money you'd save =)

Thanks for your input.  I am going to be using this machine for whatever...
Fast compiles, serving up my website, perhaps a game or two, video capture, 
etc.  I have 6 of these SCSI 10k drives and the 5304 Compaq RAID card already 
given to me by a friend.  So, free free free, so my choices are use em or 
let them lay around... I think it would be MUCH cooler to use them!  :)
I also have not had a new computer in YEARS and am in the profession, and I 
want my dream machine dammit! :)  I am agreeing that I could scale it all 
back, but why?  The ton of RAM and dual procs is also because for the Windoz 
apps I still need, I am going to be running VMWare, if you've every ran it, 
it is a HOG!  But like I said, I am well aware how much overkill this is, 
but I have the money and never had a computer that would be my dream machine 
this is kind of like the geeks midlife crisis, only I'm 27.  :)  I am more 
interested in comments like, "This video card sux ass under linux, go with a 
Widged-Inc card, etc"

Thanks!

Michael


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Re: OpenOffice.org & Woody

[Jamin W . Collins]

On Mon, 06 May 2002 12:15:29 -0500
"John Foster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does the .deb installation improve on the loading/operating speed? 

Can't really comment on any change.  I rarely use Open Office, as I prefer
plain text.  Just have it around for inter-office documents with my
co-workers.

> Also can you do a .net install with the .debs?

The debs appear to be the equivalent of a net install (centralized for the
system with each user having a small home dir installation).

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Re: investment proposal:reply asap

[Quenten Griffith]

Ohh me me me sign me up I want you to wipe out all the money in my bank 
account.


DR.MRS MIRIAM ABACHA wrote:


l am DR. MRS MIRIAM ABACHA, wife of the late Nigeria Head of State,
General Sanni Abacha who died on the 8th of June, 1998 while still on
active duty. l am contacting you in view of the fact that we will be 
of

great assistance to each other likeness developing a cordial
relationship.

I currently have out of my reach the sum of Twenty four Million US
Dollars
(US$24,000,000.00) cash which l intend to use for investment, like 
Real

Estate Development specifically in your country. This money came from some
foreigners who gave my late husband as gratification for transacting being
partners in the debt buy back deal of our country

The Partners returned my husband's share of USD$24,000,000.00 cash
after the death of my husband and lodged in my husband's security
company
of which l am the director, the new Civilian Government have
intensified their probe on my husband's financial and business empire
leading to freezing of local and foreign accounts and closure of business
operations nationwide. In
view
of these, l acted fast to withdraw the US$24,000,000.00 from the
company's
vault and deposited it in a West African Security Company in
Accra-Ghana.
I have since declared the Security Company bankrupt. No record ever
existed concerning the money traceable by the government because there
is
no documentation showing that we received the money from the Russian.

Due to the current situation in the country concerning government
attitude
towards my family, it has become quite impossible for me to make use 
of

this money within. Let me refer you to the front page of this day
newspapers of 10th March 2001. You can check it through their website
(www.thisdayonline.com/arcives/2001.) The present government in 
Nigeria

had frozen and seized all my bank accounts both here in Nigeria and
abroad. Thus consent l shall expect you to contact me urgently to
enable
us discuss in detail about this transaction. Bearing in mind that your
assistance is needed to transfer this fund, l proposed a percentage of
20%
of the total sum to you for the expected service and assistance, 5%
for
offsetting minor expenses incurred in the course of this transaction.
Your
urgent response is highly needed as to stop further contacts. All
correspondence must be by the email address above or email 234-1-7591399. 
l must use this opportunity to implore you to exercise the utmost

indulgence to
keep
this matter extraordinarily confidential whatever your decision while
await your prompt response.

NB: Because of the security being mounted on the members of my family,
l have decided
that this transaction be kept in utmost secrecy, remember to include
your
private
Tel/fax or mobile number for easy communication.

Best Regards.

DR. (MRS) MIRIAM ABACHA.







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Re: OpenOffice.org & Woody

[John Foster]

"Jamin W. Collins" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2 May 2002 23:53:58 -0700
> "Jaye Inabnit ke6sls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone been able to get openoffice.org (via the debs) installed and
> > running on a Woody Intel box?
> 
> Installed it yesterday on my Woody box.  Just needed to installed java and
> all was happy (see earlier thread regarding this topic for information on
> the java installation).
REPLY
Does the .deb installation improve on the loading/operating speed? The
last 638c tarball is very slow Also can you do a .net install
with the .debs?
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DHCP/ routing / ADSL - UK

[James Ireson]

I've got an interesting problem

I'm using my sparc to perform NAT and some hosting Just switched
over to ADSL with an ethernet router I get one static IP which my
router is using DHCP spoofing to pass through to the first host that
requests an address via DHCP.

Fine:
/etc/network/interfaces
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp
hostname weeble

Low and behold it gets my address:
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 08:00:20:1A:88:5A
  inet addr:62.49.19.57  Bcast:62.255.255.255  Mask:255.0.0.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:5812071 errors:46 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:68
  TX packets:5830722 errors:7 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:7
  collisions:25272 txqueuelen:100
  RX bytes:2076940822 (1980.7 Mb)  TX bytes:2100168289 (2002.8
Mb)
  Interrupt:5 Base address:0x1400

No gateway gets set though. Not a problem thought I.. I'll just manually
add a static entry... I'll ask pump what it is: Device eth0
IP: 62.49.19.57
Netmask: 255.0.0.0
Broadcast: 62.255.255.255
Network: 62.0.0.0
Boot server 10.0.0.138
Next server 0.0.0.0
Gateway: 217.32.64.72
Domain: oooarrr.cx
Nameservers: 10.0.0.138
Renewal time: Mon May  6 00:02:49 2002
Expiration time: Mon May  6 00:04:04 2002

Strange, the gateway's not on my subnet... Oh well:
Route add -host 217.32.64.72 eth0
Route add -net 0.0.0.0 netmask 0.0.0.0 gw 219.32.64.72

Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
217.32.64.720.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00
eth0
192.168.128.0   0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00
eth0
62.0.0.00.0.0.0 255.0.0.0   U 0  00
eth0
0.0.0.0 217.32.64.720.0.0.0 UG0  00
eth0

All works fine Until that is I unplug my ADSL router to move it and
then reconnect it all.

After some investigation is seems my gateway is now 217.32.64.74! My ISP
are giving me a different gateway each time I connect I have a
static IP and a dynamic gateway!

Now, my question (if you haven't already worked it out is.) What's
the best way of getting the gateway address by dhcp adding the route so
my machines knows where it is (not on the same subnet) and then add a
default route using it?

Thanks in advance!!!




Ps.
Something else perplexing (but doesn't matter):

traceroute to www.yahoo.akadns.net (64.58.76.222), 30 hops max, 38 byte
packets  1  10.0.0.138 (10.0.0.138)  2.580 ms  2.230 ms  2.061 ms  2
217.32.64.1 (217.32.64.1)  13.614 ms  13.126 ms  11.687 ms  3
217.32.64.34 (217.32.64.34)  13.805 ms  13.660 ms  13.473 ms  4
217.32.64.110 (217.32.64.110)  13.461 ms  14.254 ms  13.506 ms  5
anchor-adsl.router.demon.net (212.240.162.126)  15.359 ms  14.944 ms
4.756 ms

The gateway doesn't even show in a traceroute!



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Re: xdvi not displaying eps graphics

[Paul Huygen]

Lars Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How do I get xdvi to display included eps graphics? [..]

xdvi has a button  that toggles the capacity to show the
postscript pictures (one button above the lowest button).

HTH,

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investment proposal:reply asap

[DR.MRS MIRIAM ABACHA]

l am DR. MRS MIRIAM ABACHA, wife of the late Nigeria Head of State,
General Sanni Abacha who died on the 8th of June, 1998 while still on
active duty. l am contacting you in view of the fact that we will be 
of
great assistance to each other likeness developing a cordial
relationship.

I currently have out of my reach the sum of Twenty four Million US
Dollars
(US$24,000,000.00) cash which l intend to use for investment, like 
Real
Estate Development specifically in your country. This money came from some
foreigners who gave my late husband as gratification for transacting being
partners in the debt buy back deal of our country

The Partners returned my husband's share of USD$24,000,000.00 cash
after the death of my husband and lodged in my husband's security
company
of which l am the director, the new Civilian Government have
intensified their probe on my husband's financial and business empire
leading to freezing of local and foreign accounts and closure of business
operations nationwide. In
view
of these, l acted fast to withdraw the US$24,000,000.00 from the
company's
vault and deposited it in a West African Security Company in
Accra-Ghana.
I have since declared the Security Company bankrupt. No record ever
existed concerning the money traceable by the government because there
is
no documentation showing that we received the money from the Russian.

Due to the current situation in the country concerning government
attitude
towards my family, it has become quite impossible for me to make use 
of
this money within. Let me refer you to the front page of this day
newspapers of 10th March 2001. You can check it through their website
(www.thisdayonline.com/arcives/2001.) The present government in 
Nigeria
had frozen and seized all my bank accounts both here in Nigeria and
abroad. Thus consent l shall expect you to contact me urgently to
enable
us discuss in detail about this transaction. Bearing in mind that your
assistance is needed to transfer this fund, l proposed a percentage of
20%
of the total sum to you for the expected service and assistance, 5%
for
offsetting minor expenses incurred in the course of this transaction.
Your
urgent response is highly needed as to stop further contacts. All
correspondence must be by the email address above or email 234-1-7591399. 
l must use this opportunity to implore you to exercise the utmost
indulgence to
keep
this matter extraordinarily confidential whatever your decision while
await your prompt response.

NB: Because of the security being mounted on the members of my family,
l have decided
that this transaction be kept in utmost secrecy, remember to include
your
private
Tel/fax or mobile number for easy communication.

Best Regards.

DR. (MRS) MIRIAM ABACHA.


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Re: Installing X on woody

[craigw]

On Mon May 06, 2002 at 11:08:11AM -0500, D. Michael McFarland wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> After a hiatus of about a year, I've come back to Linux and have been
> playing with my first careful Debian installation.  Over the weekend I
> did a minimal net install of potato starting with the compact flavor
> of floppies, then used apt-get and some pointers gathered from this
> list to upgrade to woody.  Yes, I know I'm hanging onto the leading
> edge by my fingertips and my timing could be better, but the machine
> in question isn't doing anything critical and, anyway, it's been fun.
> 
> Of course, I hit a snag, or I wouldn't be posting.  I didn't install
> XFree86 or any other X packages the first time around, thinking I'd
> wait and get the latest of everything once I'd switched to woody.
> That's turning out to be harder than I expected, with tasksel
> complaining about a missing x-window-system task and all my other
> attempts (with apt, etc.)  failing for want of some component or
> another, usually fonts.
> 
> I've googled fairly hard on this and found a few related threads, but
> I haven't found that one post I need: "Do this, this and this and
> startx ought to work."  A summary of the necessary steps, or pointers
> to documentation I might have overlooked, would be most appreciated.
> 
> 
I did a net install of woody a couple days ago, using a CD I burned
from:

And I must say, debian absolutely rocks! I didn't hit a single snag, I
couldn't believe how easy everthing was. I was up and running with a
fully loaded system in just a few hours. And I mean loaded. Well, not
bloated. I haven't install Nautilus or KDE2 yet.

I have decided that I will never again touch dselect. Not with a ten
foot pole. You couldn't pay me enough to suffer the agony and
frustration of using dselect. I used it extensively in the past, when I
was running debian-ppc on a 33 MHz Quadra 800. Maybe I don't have as
much patience as I used to. Anyway, the first thing I did after base
install was try to install task-c-dev using dselect. What a nightmare. I
gave up and used apt-get for that and everything else.

So anyways, finally, in answer to your question, here is the recipe that
I used which much success for installing X:

apt-get install task-gnome-apps task-gnome-desktop task-gnome-net

That's it! OMigod I couldn't frikkin' believe it. I made a few choices
in questions that debconf asked configuring the xserver, and that's it.
No dpkg --configure this & that, no apt-get -f install, no hand editing
of XFree86Config. After the completion of the above command, I started X
and it launched me into gnome, and even the wheel on my mouse worked. I
have never seen it go so easy, except on Mandrake.

I don't know, maybe I was just lucky. YMMV.

You might consider posting what packages you have installed, what method
you are attempting for further installation, what error messages you are
getting regarding which conflicts &/or depends, etc.


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Re: OpenOffice 1.0 ,debs?

[Chris Halls]

On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 03:58:06AM -0700, ben wrote:
> does anybody out there have a similar solution to enable openoffice in a sid 
> environment?

The java error is fixed in the -2 .deb, sorry for the problems in -1.
It is, again, not necessary to have Java installed to install the .deb.

/me picks up brown paper bag and hides under it again.

Chris
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Wonky displays with galeon and other apps.

[Steve Juranich]

I'm trying to figure out if I have a poorly configured video card (highly 
probable) or if the problems that I'm having are actually bugs in the apps 
(running sid, so also highly probable).

The two biggest offenders are Galeon/Mozilla and AcrobatReader (I know I 
should be using xpdf instead, but the last time I used it was about 3 years 
ago and it was pretty much crap back then).  These two apps will do two 
different things to hose my screen.

Galeon/Mozilla (I think Konqeror does the same thing.. yep) will keep on 
drawing some of its edge widgets until it decides to quit, so I end up with 
this patchwork pattern on my display that looks like the silver gradient on 
the edges of a mozilla/galeon window.  Most of the time the problem is fixed 
when I move a new window over the affected portion of the display, forcing a 
redraw of that piece.  Sometimes not, though.

Acroread will kind of do the same thing, but this time it draws a bunch of 
little "black holes" all over my display.  These are not removable by moving a 
new window over the affected area.  The only way I can get rid of these is by 
stopping my session and logging back in.

My video card is an ATI Radeon 7200.  I know that I don't have DRI correctly 
configured because 'glxinfo' says that direct rendering is off.

Can anybody tell me, should I just fix my video card (right now, just a 'to 
do' list item), or are these software bugs.  Checking the bug reports on these 
apps doesn't turn up anything very similar.

Thanks.

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RE:Installing X on woody

[Andrew Agno]

D. Michael McFarland writes:
 > Of course, I hit a snag, or I wouldn't be posting.  I didn't install
 > XFree86 or any other X packages the first time around, thinking I'd
 > wait and get the latest of everything once I'd switched to woody.
 > That's turning out to be harder than I expected, with tasksel
 > complaining about a missing x-window-system task and all my other
 > attempts (with apt, etc.)  failing for want of some component or
 > another, usually fonts.

I've never used tasksel, but my install of X went fine using dselect
to select xfree86-common, xserver-common and xserver-xfree86; I expect 
that most everything else got pulled in automatically.

Andrew.


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IDE cd burner acting flakey w/cdrecord

[Robert]

First the most commonly asked for info:
Linux timberwolf 2.4.18 #1 SMP Sun May 5 19:12:29 CDT 2002 i686 unknown
(also used debian package: kernel-image-2.4.18-smp with same problems)
Relevant modules loaded: sr_mod sd_mod ide-scsi sg scsi_mod
Platform: dual-processor athalon (400Mhz)
Debian distribution: testing

cdrecord -scanbus output:
Cdrecord 1.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Jörg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.1.22
Using libscg version 'schily-0.5'
scsibus0:
cdrecord: Warning: controller returns wrong size for CD capabilities page.
0,0,0 0) 'ATAPI-CD' 'ROM-DRIVE-50MAX ' '50LT' Removable CD-ROM
0,1,0 1) 'HP  ' 'CD-Writer+ 7200 ' '3.01' Removable CD-ROM
0,2,0 2) *
...etc...


First, is the warning relevant?  I don't recall it being there, but I might 
have been overlooking it for quite a while.

Second, the real problem is that for a long while now, I've not been able to 
burn CDs.  I can't give examples of the exact error at the moment (not at 
home ATM), but sometimes (rarely) I can get it to do a dummy run.  Most of 
the time, it never starts "writing", but instead just gives ... checksum? ... 
errors and fails out.  Non-dummy runs work out the same, sometimes giving me 
coasters, sometmes not...

Does anyone have any good starting points for tracking this issue down?  I 
can't go back to the 2.2 series kernels, as I'm using too many 2.4 features 
that I just don't have the will to give up now.

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Re: Debian installer Developers

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 09:35:18AM -0700, Darryl Caldwell wrote:
> How may I track down the developers who worked on the Debian install
> process?

debian-boot@lists.debian.org

> I haven't been able to get the installer to do a NFS install and
> am curious if that code is still maintained.

You can also file a bug against the "boot-floppies" package.

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Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 11:19:44AM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
> Right.  But I was proposing that the muc.* list be moderated.
> When somebody "posts" to a moderated group, the articled
> doesn't get posted directly to the newsgroup.  The article is
> e-mailed to a "moderator".
> 
> My proposal was that the "moderator" be the mailing list.
> 
> Thus, the new article is e-mailed to the mailing list (exactly
> as articles are now), which then mirrors it onto the newsgroup
> (exactly as it does now).  There would be no news->mail gateway
> (exactly as there is none now).  There is only a mail->news
> gateway (exactly as there is now).
> 
> I don't see how there is a possibility of a loop. If there _is_
> danger of a loop, it must already be there, since I'm not
> proposing that the gateway functionaly be changed in any way.

I'm surprised you don't see any extra danger of loops. The mail->news
gateway must bypass the moderation on the group using an Approved:
header. What happens if that mechanism goes wrong? Instant loop.

> When I suggested making the group moderated and mailing
> "posted" articles to the list, I was told that was a bad idea
> because of the danger of loops.  However, I'm still waiting for
> somebody to explain how such a loop could happen.
> 
> Perhaps my idea wouldn't work.  I'd be happy to listen to an
> reasons why it wouldn't, but so far all people seem to do be
> doing is knocking down sraw men.

It's not that it wouldn't work. I'm just attempting to explain why it's
not something that should be done without thought, and why it's not a
"you could just do this". However, I seem to be talking to a brick wall,
so I'll leave the discussion now.

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exim mail error

[james]

Hello, I'm running exim as my mail server
and I'm getting the following error:

Any idea what this error means:
2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=root
P=local S=311
2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 ** [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
unrouteable mail domain "sympatico.ca"
2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xL-00 <= <> R=174f6U-0005xJ-00 U=mail
P=local S=1079
2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 Error message sent to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2002-05-06 05:48:22 174f6U-0005xJ-00 Completed

I get that error if I try this command:
echo "this is a test" | mail -s "subject" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If I type in the following command though it works properly:
echo "this is a test" | mail -s "subject" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

So, I can't mail out past the machine that has exim running
but I'm not sure why...

PS: the command that works might be mailing locally so it's
success might have nothing to do with exim...

thx,
james

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Re: KMail Crash - Please Help

[Jatin Golani]

Hi,

Thanks for responding to my query.

Could you please tell me which qt library packages you
have installed. I just recently saw packages like
libqt2-mt (multi threaded version of qt)...do u have
that installed? I'd appreciate if u could tell me all
the qt library related packages you have installed.

Sorry for the trouble.

Bye for now

--- Addis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 05 May 2002 03:38 am, Jatin Golani wrote:
> > Has anyone faced a similar problem using KMail?? 
> 
> I have not faced a similar problem.
> 
> > Are ppl using KMail on Woody with KDE 2.2.2
> successfully??? 
> > Could you'll please tell me which QT you'll are
> using? 
> 
> I am successfully using KMail 1.3.2 on KDE 2.2.2
> with Qt 2.3.1
> on Linux kernel 2.4.17.  I hope the different kernel
> isn't a problem.
> 
> I'm afraid I can not suggest a fix for I have not
> come across that 
> problem.
> 
> Addis
> 
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Debian installer Developers

[Darryl Caldwell]

How may I track down the developers who worked on the Debian install
process? I haven't been able to get the installer to do a NFS install and
am curious if that code is still maintained.

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xdvi not displaying eps graphics

[Lars Jensen]

How do I get xdvi to display included eps graphics? It used to do that,
but after a recent upgrade it has syopped to do so.

Thanks,
Lars.

%%%
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Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops

[Grant Edwards]

Path: ruti.visi.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: muc.lists.debian.user
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Subject: Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dman wrote:

>| Why not just mail the article to the mailing list?
> 
> Here's the scenario :=20
> 1   you make a new message and post it to the newsgroup

That's not what I was proposing.  

I was proposing that all articles would be mailed to the
mailing list.  That's why I chose the wording "mail the article
to the mailing list". Exactly as they are now.

> 2   the news->mail gateway sees a new posting and mails it to the list

I wasn't proposing a news->mail gateway.

> 3   the list gets a new message, delivers it to all subscribers,
> one of the subscribers is the mail->news gateway, which posts
> the "new" message on the newsgroup
> 4   your news->mail bot sees a new message and sends it to the list

What news->mail bot?  I wasn't proposing a new->mail bot.

> 5   repeat steps 2-4 ad inifitum until the servers crash with the load
> 
> If the handling is done just right then each side of the gateway can
> determine when a loops begins and stop it right away.  If it isn't
> just right then the bots see lots of "new" messages, which are really
> just copies of an already posted message, and a loop exists.

Right.  But I was proposing that the muc.* list be moderated.
When somebody "posts" to a moderated group, the articled
doesn't get posted directly to the newsgroup.  The article is
e-mailed to a "moderator".

My proposal was that the "moderator" be the mailing list.

Thus, the new article is e-mailed to the mailing list (exactly
as articles are now), which then mirrors it onto the newsgroup
(exactly as it does now).  There would be no news->mail gateway
(exactly as there is none now).  There is only a mail->news
gateway (exactly as there is now).

I don't see how there is a possibility of a loop. If there _is_
danger of a loop, it must already be there, since I'm not
proposing that the gateway functionaly be changed in any way.

When I suggested making the group moderated and mailing
"posted" articles to the list, I was told that was a bad idea
because of the danger of loops.  However, I'm still waiting for
somebody to explain how such a loop could happen.

Perhaps my idea wouldn't work.  I'd be happy to listen to an
reasons why it wouldn't, but so far all people seem to do be
doing is knocking down sraw men.

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Re: unreadable xterm :)

[andrej hocevar]

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 09:54:30AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> That's all very nice, but, as I read it, that allows you to specify
> that 'font 3 = Helvetica Runic 72' or whatever, but what I (and, I
> suspect, the OP) am looking for is a way (.Xresources would work for
> me, but I suspect the OP needs a command-line option) to tell xterm
> 'when you open, use the Huge font instead of the default font'.

Be it as it may, the OP (=me) is totally satisfied with a previous
answer, kindly posted by Kevin B. McCarty; "xterm -fn nil2" yields
the desired results. 
Without further ado, my problem is solved. Thank you, Kevin. 

Sincerely,
andrej

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Installing X on woody

[D. Michael McFarland]

Hello All,

After a hiatus of about a year, I've come back to Linux and have been
playing with my first careful Debian installation.  Over the weekend I
did a minimal net install of potato starting with the compact flavor
of floppies, then used apt-get and some pointers gathered from this
list to upgrade to woody.  Yes, I know I'm hanging onto the leading
edge by my fingertips and my timing could be better, but the machine
in question isn't doing anything critical and, anyway, it's been fun.

Of course, I hit a snag, or I wouldn't be posting.  I didn't install
XFree86 or any other X packages the first time around, thinking I'd
wait and get the latest of everything once I'd switched to woody.
That's turning out to be harder than I expected, with tasksel
complaining about a missing x-window-system task and all my other
attempts (with apt, etc.)  failing for want of some component or
another, usually fonts.

I've googled fairly hard on this and found a few related threads, but
I haven't found that one post I need: "Do this, this and this and
startx ought to work."  A summary of the necessary steps, or pointers
to documentation I might have overlooked, would be most appreciated.

Best regards,
Michael

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University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


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Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops

[dman]

On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 03:36:46PM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
| On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 09:17:24PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
 
| > (I think it would be a good idea for debian-user shadow newsgroups to be
| > moderated anyway, if nothing else so that they can point to a mailbot
| > that tells people they should be mailing articles to the mailing list.
| > However, I'm not even sure if the person who would handle that reads
| > this list.)
| 
| Why not just mail the article to the mailing list?

Here's the scenario : 
1   you make a new message and post it to the newsgroup
2   the news->mail gateway sees a new posting and mails it to the list
3   the list gets a new message, delivers it to all subscribers,
one of the subscribers is the mail->news gateway, which posts
the "new" message on the newsgroup
4   your news->mail bot sees a new message and sends it to the list
5   repeat steps 2-4 ad inifitum until the servers crash with the load

If the handling is done just right then each side of the gateway can
determine when a loops begins and stop it right away.  If it isn't
just right then the bots see lots of "new" messages, which are really
just copies of an already posted message, and a loop exists.

-D 

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Re: Mailing List and Newsgruops

[dman]

On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 09:17:24PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
| On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 01:28:55PM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
| > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Colin Watson wrote:
| > > On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 11:38:36AM -0500, Grant Edwards wrote:
| > >> I'm suggesting a moderated group where postings that would
| > >> normally go to the "moderator" directly to the mailing list.
| > >> The gateway is still unidirectional: mail->news.
| > > 
| > > Yup, that's how everybody else does bidirectional gateways too. 
| > 
| > Really?  The other group I read that has an e-mail gateway
| > doesn't seem to be set up that way.  I (and anybody else) can
| > post directly to the group.  There are no "Approved:" headers.
| > AFAICT, it is not a moderated group.  However they set up the
| > news<->email gateway, it does not look like it uses the
| > mechanism I described.
| 
| That's very odd then. Almost sounds like something that was originally a
| newsgroup and then had a mail gateway retrofitted to it ... I certainly
| don't think it's usual for mailing lists that get gated to news, like
| this case. Creating two different canonical sources of articles is
| likely to cause confusion.

comp.lang.python and python-list@python.org have a bidirectional
mail<->news gateway.  I don't know any more than it exists and is
well-maintained (and thus doesn't have loops).

-D

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Re: Kernel 2.4.18-686 and PCMCIA woes

[dman]

On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 08:31:12PM +0100, Peter Whysall wrote:
[snippage]
| There's something wicked in my 2.4.18-686 PCMCIA stuff, though, because
| here's the errors I get when I do: /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart
| 
| Shutting down PCMCIA services:.
| Starting PCMCIA
| services:/lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.o:
| init_module: No such device
| /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.o: insmod
| /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.o failed
| /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.o: insmod i82365
| failed
[snippage]
| and on inspection of the
| /lib/modules/2.4.18-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia directory, there isn't
| one.
[snippage]

# apt-get install kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-686 

You need the kernel modules before you can load them :-).

[snippage]
| The wickedness comes from the fact that it should be using the 3c589
| driver, not the i82365 one -
[snippage]

The i8... driver is for the pcmcia stuff, the 3c59x is for the NIC
itself.

-D

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Re: My ultimate linux box

[Wendell Cochran]

> > * Michael Kahle ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020505 20:14]:
[snip]
> > > Case: Enlight Full Tower (EN-89020SX34)
> > > Power Supply: Enermax 550W
> > > Mainboard: Tyan Tiger MPX
> > > Processor: 2x Athlon MP1800's
> > > Ram: Crucial 1.5GB DDR PC2100 Registered
> > > Monitor: Viewsonic P255f
> > > Soundcard: Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum
> > > Videocard: ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 8500DV 128 DDR
> > > CDROM: Plextor UltraPlex Wide or Some SCSI DVD player???
> > > CD-RW: Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32s
> > > Backup: I want a DDS-3 or DDS-4 tape solution... sugestions?
> > > RAID: Compaq 5304 128 Raid controller
> > > SCSI: Adaptec 2940W Controller
> > > Disks: 5 Compaq 10k Ultra 3 SCSI
> > > Drive Cage: Enlight EN-8720 Ultra 160 SCA Backplane
> > > Floppy: Teac
> > > Cooling: Any ideas?

A keyboard.  Why, you can add $200 right there.


I too started out in grandiose mode, but I've been cutting back.
Here's a recent version:

1.  PC Power & Cooling tower
2.  PCP&C's Turbo-Cool 350W with ThermaSense fan
3.  Soyo SY-K7V Dragon Plus mainboard
4.  AMD Athlon 1800 XP
5.  PCP&C's CPU-Cool AG 
6.  PC2100 DDR SDRAM512MB
7.  Adaptec SCSI 29160 host adapter
8.  Plextor CD-RW 24x10x40  IDE
9.  IBM 9.1Gb 7200rpm   x2
10  TEAC FDD
11  sound on board
12  speakers -- nil
13  Matrox G450 32Mb video card
14  Happy Hacking Lite2 kbd
15  ViewSonic P775 17" monitor   legacy
16  Cirque Easy Cat touchpad "  
17  3COM Courier 56K V90 modem   "
18  Epson LQ-510 24-pin printer  "
19  Zero Surge box   "  

As Kingsley Amis has pointed out, `Other people's priorities are
endlessly odd.'

Wendell Cochran
West Seattle


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