Re: X troubles

2002-05-09 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi,

* Darren Martz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-05-10 06:08]:
>Hi, I'm new to Linux and having troubles getting X to run with my
>monitor and video card.
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#AEN237

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Re: X troubles

2002-05-09 Thread Tom Cook
On  0, Darren Martz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, I'm new to Linux and having troubles getting X to run with my
> monitor and video card.
> 
> Monitor: NEC FE950+
> Video  : Asus 7100 Magic SE (aka: nVidia GeForce2 MX-200)
> 
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Hi, we are new to telepathy and having troubles finding out what's
wrong with your X setup.

And more details will be greatly appreciated.

Some suggestions:

* Where you are up to in an install.
* What you have tried doing to configure X.
* What happens when you try to run X.

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Re: recommended documentation iptables

2002-05-09 Thread dman
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 03:14:45PM -0700, justin cunningham wrote:
| Hey, I did I search for iptables how to and got tons of docs-- does
| anyone recommend one over another or a debian specific one?  The goal is
| to take advantage of three nics for web and mail services. 

See http://netfilter.samba.org.  That's one location for the netfilter
(iptables) development.  Read Rusty's docs.  He's the one who coded
the stuff.  There's really nothing debian-specific about it because
it's all part of the kernel.  The only thing distro-specific may be
where to put the commands to restore your filter at boot time.  I put
my various firewall scripts in /etc/FIREWALL and made a symlink named 
/etc/rcS.d/S38FIREWALL to the one I want.

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X troubles

2002-05-09 Thread Darren Martz
Hi, I'm new to Linux and having troubles getting X to run with my
monitor and video card.

Monitor: NEC FE950+
Video  : Asus 7100 Magic SE (aka: nVidia GeForce2 MX-200)

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Darren


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re: My ultimate linux box

2002-05-09 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On 9 May 2002, Jens Tollofsen wrote:

> Would be cool with water cooling in it. koolance or some other vendor,
> and isolate the box with noisekiller pads. shouldnt sound that much
> then.

I love my Koolance box.  Put it in mode two, leave the window open.
Ursine drowns out the outside world drowns out Ursine.  Easy to fall
asleep to.

> Only bad thing with the koolance box is that its so small. With
> the price that box will have i supose you have won on a lottery or
> something in that way.

Or lose your job and all hope at the same time and make one last toy to
tide you over for a while.  I went 1.1 GHz thanks to that case.

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Re: How to get xfree86 v4 working after dist-upgrade?

2002-05-09 Thread Shyamal Prasad
"Eric" == Eric Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Eric> Shyamal Prasad wrote:

>> Don't do that! Install xserver-xfree86, and let the installer
>> guide you through it.

Eric> Thank-you. This worked good. I was able to get xfree84-4 to
Eric> work with a voodoo3 card using the xserver-xfree86 server
Eric> and tdfx driver. I looked at the -4 docs earlier and knew
Eric> that was the correct driver. It seems it saved some of my
Eric> other settings as well. It sure can find out a bunch of
Eric> stuff about the card etc. as I didn't need to specify memory
Eric> or anything. Is there another configuration program such as
Eric> xf86config or something I should use to fine tune?

Yes, XFree86 4.x does a pretty good job detecting things for you,
specially with new hardware. I find that the best way to configure
things is to do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' and let debconf
handle the file for you.

If you want to fine tune beyond that, edit the XFree86-4 file but
respect the comments about where to put your hand written stuff. If
you don't, debconf will write over your changes the next time you
upgrade, restart X and so on!

Eric> What do I need to do to remove the old -3 stuff?

I'm not sure, but I guess 'apt-get remove xserver-common-v3' should do
it. 

Eric> I'm wondering why there is no info in the release notes for
Eric> this so when people upgrade to woody they know what to do.

I suppose it's the same reasoning as for the kernel: going to Woody
does not require an upgrade to X. If you want to upgrade X you do it
explicitly. 

Cheers!
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Re: Red Hat user shopping around

2002-05-09 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On Thu, 9 May 2002, dman wrote:

> debian!  Use exim instead, it's much easier to configure.

I'm going to have to strongly agree with that.  It's mail simplicity and
easier than walking your boss through OE by phone (my current measure
for the most difficult anything should be).

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Re: dpkg-reconfigure won't ask me about XXX?

2002-05-09 Thread Joey Hess
Paul Smith wrote:
> How can I change the settings for this configuration value, and why
> doesn't dpkg-reconfigure ask me about it?

It seems that ssh's config script only ever asks that question on a new
install, to whit:

if [ -z "$version" -a ! -e /etc/ssh/sshd_config ]
then
  db_input medium ssh/protocol2_only || true
fi

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Re: Red Hat user shopping around

2002-05-09 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On Thu, 9 May 2002, dman wrote:

> | That just hurts...why would someone implement something in such an
> | obviously painful manner?
>
> Have you ever tried to read RH init scripts?  Have you ever tried to
> find an init script?

Yes, I have, which is why I wonder why they made the same fscking
mistake twice.

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Re: Red Hat user shopping around

2002-05-09 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On Thu, 9 May 2002, dman wrote:

> number is kinda part of the package name.  The package name is as much
> as you specify, rather than having specific delimiters like dpkg.  rpm
> also allows multiple packages with the same "name" (different version)
> installed, as long as no two files have the same name.  It's a real
> PITA.

Which to this day is still (accurately) speculated as being one of the
reasons why I moved my school to Debian in '97.  *Way* too easy to
completely mismanage a RPM based system simply due to inconsistancies in
package naming, numbering, and it's other counterintuitive perks...

> Someone has even ported apt to rpm.  It has some problems though --
> it's potato's apt (no preferences) and it mmaps the Packages file.  I
> tried using it (within the last few months) on a machine with 96MB
> RAM.  It dies with an out-of-memory error.  Potato's apt on my 8MB
> clunker _works_ even though it gets a sound thrashing in the process.

Good.  New fodder in how Red Hat *can't* use our tools against us.  8:o)

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Re: How to get xfree86 v4 working after dist-upgrade?

2002-05-09 Thread Eric Richardson

Shyamal Prasad wrote:

> "Brooks" == Brooks R Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Brooks> | What is the Debian way to get this working?
>
> Brooks> IIRC you can rename /etc/X11/XF86Config to Brooks>
> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.
>
> Don't do that! Install xserver-xfree86, and let the installer guide you
>  through it.

Thank-you. This worked good. I was able to get xfree84-4 to work with a 
voodoo3 card using the xserver-xfree86 server and tdfx driver. I looked 
at the -4 docs earlier and knew that was the correct driver. It seems it 
saved some of my other settings as well. It sure can find out a bunch of 
stuff about the card etc. as I didn't need to specify memory or 
anything. Is there another configuration program such as xf86config or 
something I should use to fine tune?


What do I need to do to remove the old -3 stuff?

I'm wondering why there is no info in the release notes for this so when 
people upgrade to woody they know what to do.


Thanks again,
Eric




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Re: how to gpg sign attachments?

2002-05-09 Thread Thorsten Haude
Hi,

* Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-05-10 03:34]:
>Is it possible to use gpg to sign all of a mail message, including the
>attachments?
Mutt does this.

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how to gpg sign attachments?

2002-05-09 Thread Britton

Is it possible to use gpg to sign all of a mail message, including the
attachments?

I have found with mh-e and mailcrypt that after doing mh-edit-mhn to
incorporate the attachments, mailcrypt-sign fails.

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Network problem/question.

2002-05-09 Thread tony mollica
Hello.  I have a mixed network of Linux (Debian) and windows
machines in the arrangement below.
 ___  __  __
|   ||  ||  |
--->|router || Linux||switch|---(192.168.x.x network)
 T1 |___||__||__|
 |
   eth1eth0   
IP Masq Machine

Real IP addresses on the router side with the
192.168.x.x on the switch side.  I need to put
a another box on the router side but still
have the internal LAN clients access this
computer from the inside.  The new computer
is required to be windows, and there will be
only windows clients accessing it.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Red Hat user shopping around

2002-05-09 Thread Tom Cook
On  0, dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 11:43:21PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> | On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
>  
> | > They recently dumped inet for xinet.  Instead of having one configuration 
> file
> | > in /etc/inetd.conf, they now have individual files per service in
> | > /etc/xinetd.d/.  I'm sure that makes sense to somebody, but it makes 
> configuring
> | > it a real headache.
> | 
> | That just hurts...why would someone implement something in such an
> | obviously painful manner?
> 
> Have you ever tried to read RH init scripts?  Have you ever tried to
> find an init script?

It's actually not very dissimillar to debian... /etc/rc/init.d instead
of /etc/init.d...

I think it makes more sense to put all
the init stuff in a subdirectory...

Tom
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Re: Modules question

2002-05-09 Thread craigw
On Thu May 09, 2002 at 04:57:42PM -0400, Seneca wrote:
> On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:10:05PM +0200, Joachim Fahnenmueller wrote:
> > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 05:21:22AM -0400, Seneca wrote:
> > > (all my floppies are fat)
> > 
> > Hope they still fit into the drive ;-)
> 
> They all fit into the drive, but there's this one floppy... I don't know
> how it does it, but it gets fatter in the drive and gets stuck. I have
> to pull out the tweezers and screw-removers and pull it out (and the
> floppy has the tweezer gouges to prove it).
> 
LOL. If you had an old Mac (back when Macs had floppies) you would have
to use a paper clip.

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Re: What about Woody?

2002-05-09 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:55:30PM +0100, Matthew Sackman wrote:
> I suspect that the very last NMUs are going up, the images are being
> readied and press-statements released: I would expect within the next 3
> days.

What makes you say all this?  On 5/1 or so, AJT announced that woody was
all set, and that the only thing holding up the release was the lack of
a build infrastructure for the security team.  There has since been no
public announcement regarding the status of such an infrastructure.  It
may well take them some time to get the new system up and running.

Unfortunately, this problem didn't receive widespread attention until it
was too late to get it addressed in time for the release.  Part of this
actually my fault, as I was previously tasked with implementing such a
build infrastructure.  However, my efforts met with some tough
resistance by certain members of the sysadmin team who didn't like a
particular component of the software that the security team was used to
using to create builds.  But nobody was willing to provide a
replacement, and I didn't have time to create one myself, and this issue
got ignored for far too long.

noah

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Re: How to get xfree86 v4 working after dist-upgrade?

2002-05-09 Thread Shyamal Prasad
"Brooks" == Brooks R Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Brooks> | What is the Debian way to get this working?

Brooks> IIRC you can rename /etc/X11/XF86Config to
Brooks> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.

Don't do that! Install xserver-xfree86, and let the installer guide
you through it.

/Shyamal


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Re: X Fonts and Ximian Gnome

2002-05-09 Thread Shyamal Prasad
"Jeremy" == Jeremy Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jeremy> (2) After getting the X server working, I would like to
Jeremy> install Gnome.  AFAIK, the only(?) way to do this is with
Jeremy> Ximian Gnome's installer, correct?

No, you can get GNOME installed in Debian. It seems you are installing
potato, which comes with GNOME 1.0.56 or something like that. Back
then you could get an up to date GNOME from Ximian, but there's no
need to.

I would recommend the following: install a minimal potato system and
upgrading it to woody (testing). See the woody installation manual on
the Debian web site for details. Once you are up to Woody install
GNOME via tasksel (or select the packages you want in dselect or
whatever). 

Alternatively, get rid of everything Ximian related. Upgrade to Woody
and then install the gnome packages with dselect. There's no need to
use Ximian GNOME IMHO.

I would normally have suggested that you install Woody, but there is a
problem with base-config in the current testing distribution.

Cheers!
Shyamal


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Re: recommended documentation iptables

2002-05-09 Thread Gary Hennigan
"justin cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hey, I did I search for iptables how to and got tons of docs-- does
> anyone recommend one over another or a debian specific one?  The goal is
> to take advantage of three nics for web and mail services.  I'm reading
> this one now
> http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/firewalls/IPTables-Tutorial/
> iptables-tutorial/iptables-tutorial.html  thanks, justin

I would assume the place to start would be the Debian documentation:

file:/usr/share/doc/iptables/html/packet-filtering-HOWTO.html
file:/usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO.html

These are in the Debian iptables package (on sid and woody anyway).

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Re: Fwd: Is it possible to unsubscribe from the debian-userslist?

2002-05-09 Thread Ron Johnson
Hmm.  That's interesting.  I recently unsubscribed from many
mailinglists, following the instructions at the bottom
of each email, and automated replys were immediately sent
to me.

On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 17:53, Siward de Groot wrote:
> On wednesday Bill Stoye wrote:
>  
> > Thank you for your help; I finally got off the list.
> 
> so it turns out that it is possible,
>   albeit after a delay of 2 weeks.
> 
> I think it is not-nice and unnecessary to keep users uninformed of the
> situation.
> As it is now, they find that unsubscribing doesnt work and listmaster
> doesnt respond,
>   until that happy day 2 weeks later.
> This seems weird for an organization that claims that the users are
> their first priority.
> 
> If the problem is in the process of being solved,
>   it would be nice to receive an estimate of when this will be from
> listmaster(s).
>   (preferably in the form of a daily post to d-u, so everybody knows
> about it).
> 
> As long as it is not solved, it is good manners to put a notice on the
> subscription webpage
>   saying "it may take a couple of weeks before an unsubscription request
> is processed".
> I hereby request you to put such a notice on said webpage.
> 
> Out of curiosity i would like to know whether anybody offered help to
> listmasters
>   or are they just considered 'external to debian so fuck them' ?
> With all the programming talents in Debian an usubscription script
> shouldnt be hard to get right.
> 
> i hope this will make Debian even better than it already is.
> 
> have fun !
> 
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recommended documentation iptables

2002-05-09 Thread justin cunningham
Hey, I did I search for iptables how to and got tons of docs-- does
anyone recommend one over another or a debian specific one?  The goal is
to take advantage of three nics for web and mail services.  I'm reading
this one now
http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/firewalls/IPTables-Tutorial/
iptables-tutorial/iptables-tutorial.html  thanks, justin


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Re: [suporte] Re: (OT) POP Outlook Folders to Imap Linux

2002-05-09 Thread dman
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 06:30:38PM +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira 
wrote:
| 
| Hi,
| Outlook (Outoflook) allow me only to move messages (not folders) to
| an imap folder.  So if I have 20 folders I have to create them
| manually as imap folders and get folder by folder and move messages

Yes, but that's better than nothing :-).

| Outlook saves mail in a *strange* mbx format. :(

mbx?  For real?  Not some weird undocumented thing?

http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/formats.txt.html
mbx This is the current preferred mailbox format.  It can be
handled quite efficiently by c-client, without the problems
that exist with unix and mmdf formats.  Messages are stored in
Internet standard CR LF format.

mbx permits shared access, including shared expunge.  It
preserves UIDs, and allows the creation of keywords.
 

According to this you can install uw-imap and simply copy the mbx
files and it'll work.  Not only that, but c-client is a free (C)
library for handling mail messages.  Mahogany (a GTK+ based MUA) uses
it, and thus ought to be able to handle mbx as well.

A google search also found a spec for mbx which I've tossed up at
http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/mbx.txt.

Worst-case scenario (if the files really are mbx and can be found
on-disk) you write some C code to read the mbx and spit it back out in
maildir (or whatever) :-).

HTH,
-D

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2002-05-09 Thread mario luis teza
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2002-05-09 Thread mario luis teza
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:19:48 -0400
"-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Some newer mother boards now have integrated sound and video.  Is there
> a problem in using these in Linux?
> 


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Re: Kernel Compiling [HELP!]

2002-05-09 Thread curtis
You know, I'm attaching it as is, but as far as I can tell each custom 
kernel boot never event got to the point where it started logging.


Joachim Fahnenmueller wrote:


Hi Curtis,

your procedure seems ok. Can you boot with the previous kernel? If so, look for 
the messages on booting the new kernel (e. g. /var/log/kern.log) and maybe post 
these.

Regards, Joachim

On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:31:04PM -0700, curtis wrote:


 Ok, here I go again!

I am trying to compile a kernel with FreeS/WAN.

Here are the procedures I have followed, but after completing them on 
the reboot my computer starts the loading process and then reboots over 
and over, ad nauseam.


I downloaded FreeSWAN source and kernel-source-2.4.18

addgroup [username] src 
su [username]   
cd /usr/src 
tar -xf kernel-source-2.4.18.tar 
ln -s kernel-source-2.4.18 linux  	

export PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES
cd linux
su root
make-kpkg -config=menuconfig kernel-image
#(at this point I check to make sure IPSEC/FreeSWAN is included under 
Networking options)
cd /lib/modules
mv 2.4.18 2.4.18-old
cd /usr/src
dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.18..deb


I have done this now four times, but the same results. I have even downloaded 
the kernel-source again, just in case something was wrong with it.





May  6 15:08:00 Debian2 kernel: klogd 1.4.1#10, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
May  6 15:08:00 Debian2 kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.4.18-386
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Loaded 14157 symbols from 
/boot/System.map-2.4.18-386.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Symbols match kernel version 2.4.18.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Loaded 293 symbols from 13 modules.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Linux version 2.4.18-386 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
(gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) #2 Sun Apr 14 10:38:08 EST 
2002
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel:  BIOS-e820:  - 000a 
(usable)
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel:  BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 
(reserved)
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel:  BIOS-e820: 0010 - 0400 
(usable)
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel:  BIOS-e820:  - 0001 
(reserved)
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: On node 0 totalpages: 16384
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: zone(0): 4096 pages.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: zone(1): 12288 pages.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: zone(2): 0 pages.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=LinuxOLD ro 
root=301
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Initializing CPU#0
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Detected 199.908 MHz processor.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Calibrating delay loop... 398.95 BogoMIPS
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Memory: 59884k/65536k available (895k kernel 
code, 5268k reserved, 233k data, 192k init, 0k highmem)
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Dentry-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 
4, 65536 bytes)
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Inode-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 
32768 bytes)
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Mount-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 1, 
8192 bytes)
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Buffer-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 
2, 16384 bytes)
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Page-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 
65536 bytes)
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 008001bf 
 , vendor = 0
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Intel Pentium with F0 0F bug - workaround 
enabled.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: CPU: After vendor init, caps: 008001bf  
 
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: CPU: After generic, caps: 008001bf  
 
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: CPU: Common caps: 008001bf  
 
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: CPU: Intel Pentium MMX stepping 03
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Checking for popad bug... OK.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0430, 
last bus=0
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: PCI: Using configuration type 1
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: PCI: Probing PCI hardware
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: PCI: Using IRQ router PIIX [8086/7000] at 
00:07.0
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Limiting direct PCI/PCI transfers.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Activating ISA DMA hang workarounds.
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Based upon Swansea University Computer Society 
NET3.039
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Initializing RT netlink socket
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: Starting kswapd
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized
May  6 15:08:01 Debian2 kernel: devfs: v1.10 (20020120) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL 
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2002-05-09 Thread mario luis teza
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:19:48 -0400
"-" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Some newer mother boards now have integrated sound and video.  Is there
> a problem in using these in Linux?
> 


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Re: My ultimate linux box - raid

2002-05-09 Thread Matthew Sackman
Here's the big clue about that version of onboard RAID: it needs kernel
support. Therefore it's not transparent hardware RAID.

Infact, it's closer to software raid than anything else. Just crappy
cheap and unreliable.

Do not buy cheap components for backup. If anything, spend more money on
backup than on anything else. Get a DDS2 or higher tape drive and put it
on a legacy SCSI channel (ie don't mix with your high speed devices
unless you want a hugh perfomance drop).

Remember this: the more hard discs you have, the more likely you are to
have a hard disc failure.

Matthew

On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 07:11:38PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> 
> hi ya
> 
> none of the onboard raid stuff works ( properly )...
> 
> - test it... pull the cable and see if it stil boots
>   and try it the other way with the other ide cable...
> 
>   - if it works... than they may have fixed some of
>   the raid mirroring problems in hw  ( ie their firmware )
> 
> - in your box..sounds like you have $$$... buy a real hardware
>   raid controller... and skip the (useless) scsi controllers
> 
> - drooling config ?? ( if ide mode ... or sdxx mode too )
>   boot off hda or hdc
>   - stripe hda to hdd
>   - stripe hdc to hdb
> 
>   /home is raid5 ...  ( mirror that too if one is paranoid )
> 
>   than backup  /home to /home.backup ( another raid array )
> 
> - i dont like hotswap...
>   - whatever caused the failure could propagate that failure
>   to the new hotswap disks... now you lose 2 disks..
> 
>   - when things fail i like to know why before throwing
>   more hardware into the dying/dead box...
> 
> c ya
> alvin
> 
> On 6 May 2002, Scott Henson wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 22:53, Michael Kahle wrote:
> > > Here are the specs:
> > > Case: Enlight Full Tower (EN-89020SX34)
> > > Power Supply: Enermax 550W
> > > Mainboard: Tyan Tiger MPX
> > I hear MSI has some nice Mother boards.  A friend just picked up a sweet
> > one with IDE raid built in and crazy extras.  They might have a dual
> > processor model.  I also hear that new MOBO is seriously stable.  
> > > Processor: 2x Athlon MP1800's
> > > Ram: Crucial 1.5GB DDR PC2100 Registered
> > > Monitor: Viewsonic P255f
> > > Soundcard: Sound Blaster Audigy Platinum
> > > Videocard: ATI All-in-Wonder Radeon 8500DV 128 DDR
> > >From what I hear radeon 8500 isnt fully supported till you get XF86 4.2 
> > So you might have to wait to fully use that, but that said I use a
> > Radeon VE which Im quite happy with.
> > > CDROM: Plextor UltraPlex Wide or Some SCSI DVD player???
> > > CD-RW: Plextor Plexwriter 12/10/32s
> > > Backup: I want a DDS-3 or DDS-4 tape solution... sugestions?
> > > RAID: Compaq 5304 128 Raid controller
> > > SCSI: Adaptec 2940W Controller
> > > Disks: 5 Compaq 10k Ultra 3 SCSI
> > > Drive Cage: Enlight EN-8720 Ultra 160 SCA Backplane
> > > Floppy: Teac
> > > Cooling: Any ideas?
> > Now Im off to clean the drool off the floor before someone slips and
> > falls on it.  
> > 
> > -- 
> > -Peace kid
> >   Scott Henson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > "God's the ultimate playa, so naturally He's going to have some haters,"
> > rapper Ice Cube said. "But these haters need to realize that  if you
> > mess with the man upstairs, you will get your ass smote. True dat."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: My ultimate linux box

2002-05-09 Thread Matthew Sackman
On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 06:11:45PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 05:34, csj wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 May 2002 12:08:06 -0500
> > Michael Kahle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > I am agreeing that I could scale it all back, but why?  The ton of RAM
> > > and dual procs is also because for the Windoz apps I still need, I am
> > > going to be running VMWare, if you've every ran it, it is a HOG!  But
> > > like I said, I am well aware how much overkill this is, but I have the
> > > money and never had a computer that would be my dream machine this is
> > > kind of like the geeks midlife crisis, only I'm 27.  :) 
> > 
> > If I had your money, and no hungry mouths to feed, I would build three
> > machines. Why splurge all your money on a single high-powered machine?
> > Suppose it got hit by lightning? I noticed you didn't put a UPS / surge
> > protector in your list! If you insist on your dream machine, better buy
> > a UPS that comes with a property-damage guarantee.
> 
> With all those _noisy_ 10K disks, and the fans needed to cool 
> them, plus the fans to cool the 2 Athlons, I think I'd make 
> 2 machines:
> 
> Box 1 has the SCSI disks, and, oh, say, 512MB RAM.  All it needs
>is a cheap, _old_ video card.  Put it on the other side of the
>house.
> 
> Box 2 has the 2.5GB RAM, big screen, etc.
> 
> You'd only get Fast Ethernet speeds, but your executables will
> be on Box 2, and with 2.5GB RAM, you'll have a huge cache to
> work with...

Yes, that's what I would do too: a workstation and a
compile/testing/development machine. Plus allows you to have a good
backup situation: box to box backups.

Matthew

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Re: Fwd: Is it possible to unsubscribe from the debian-userslist?

2002-05-09 Thread Siward de Groot
On wednesday Bill Stoye wrote:
 
> Thank you for your help; I finally got off the list.

so it turns out that it is possible,
  albeit after a delay of 2 weeks.

I think it is not-nice and unnecessary to keep users uninformed of the
situation.
As it is now, they find that unsubscribing doesnt work and listmaster
doesnt respond,
  until that happy day 2 weeks later.
This seems weird for an organization that claims that the users are
their first priority.

If the problem is in the process of being solved,
  it would be nice to receive an estimate of when this will be from
listmaster(s).
  (preferably in the form of a daily post to d-u, so everybody knows
about it).

As long as it is not solved, it is good manners to put a notice on the
subscription webpage
  saying "it may take a couple of weeks before an unsubscription request
is processed".
I hereby request you to put such a notice on said webpage.

Out of curiosity i would like to know whether anybody offered help to
listmasters
  or are they just considered 'external to debian so fuck them' ?
With all the programming talents in Debian an usubscription script
shouldnt be hard to get right.

i hope this will make Debian even better than it already is.

have fun !

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Re: What about Woody?

2002-05-09 Thread Matthew Sackman
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 12:37:36PM -0600, Jorge Santos wrote:
> I can't believe no one has asked this yet.  Does anyone knows what is
> going on with the 3.0 release?  I'm not demanding a release date or
> such, it's just that is been more than a week since Anthony Towns
> predicted it would be out and then he said the issues with the
> security maintenance for Woody and I can't find any info on what's
> going on with it.  I repeat, I'm not demanding anything, and I'm not
> looking for answers like "But Woody has been stable for a long time
> now, just do this or that to get it"... I'm just curious.

I think the general response is: it'll be here soon!

I suspect that the very last NMUs are going up, the images are being
readied and press-statements released: I would expect within the next 3
days.

I'm probably about to get flamed for suggesting a date. In which case I
think I'll say "it gets released when it's ready"...

I think that we can all rest assured that the people who are working on
the woody release are working to get it released asap.

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dpkg-reconfigure won't ask me about XXX?

2002-05-09 Thread Paul Smith
So, on one of my systems I have sshd running but I can't get in using
RSA keys (I need ssh protocol version 1 support).

So I changed sshd.conf from "Protocols 2" to "Protocols 1,2", now when I
start sshd it says "Disabling protocol version 1. Could not load host
key".

So, I thought I would dpkg-reconfigure ssh, which I did, but got the
same error.

Using debconf-show ssh I see this:

  ssh/protocol2_only: true

I think (from poking around) that this is keeping the reconfigure from
creating the right host keys (or something).  I can see in the postinst
script where they're supposed to be created.

The thing is, dpkg-reconfigure doesn't ask me about this
"protocol2_only" parameter.  I've tried all the different options to
dpkg-reconfigure, but it just doesn't ask me.

How can I change the settings for this configuration value, and why
doesn't dpkg-reconfigure ask me about it?

Thanks.

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Re: [suporte] Re: (OT) POP Outlook Folders to Imap Linux

2002-05-09 Thread Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira

Hi,
Outlook (Outoflook) allow me only to move messages (not folders) to an 
imap folder. 
So if I have 20 folders I have to create them manually as imap folders 
and get folder by folder and move messages
Outlook saves mail in a *strange* mbx format. :(
Any hints?
Thanks again,   Paulo Henrique
On Thu, 9 May 2002 16:44:35 -0500
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> On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 05:25:58PM +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira 
> wrote:
> | 
> | Hi Theo and others,
> | Is there any other way to do this?
> | Install Netscape 6 in every machine that wants to migrate this is a 
> pain.
> | TIA,Paulo Henrique.
> 
> Does outlook allow you to move a message to a different folder?  How
> about an imap folder?
> 
> -D
> 
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> 
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Re: [suporte] Re: (OT) POP Outlook Folders to Imap Linux

2002-05-09 Thread dman
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 05:25:58PM +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira 
wrote:
| 
|   Hi Theo and others,
|   Is there any other way to do this?
|   Install Netscape 6 in every machine that wants to migrate this is a 
pain.
|   TIA,Paulo Henrique.

Does outlook allow you to move a message to a different folder?  How
about an imap folder?

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Re: Malformed .desktop files in OpenOffice

2002-05-09 Thread Paul Scott

Cam Ellison wrote:
 > Thanks, Paul.  I didn't think I could be the only one.
 >
 > Curiously, when I tried dpkg-reconfigure, dpkg told me that it was
 > not installed, and then that it was not fully installed.  I ran dpkg
 > -i, which reports complete, but the same result applies.  Did you
 > use bugreport to file?  If you did, what was the tracking number --
 > I think maybe I should add this information.

I didn't file a bug since I was busy and it looked like Chris Halls was
working in this area.  You might consider also subscribing to
debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org for a whlle.  It has much lower
traffic than debian-user

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Re: Malformed .desktop files in OpenOffice

2002-05-09 Thread Cam Ellison
Thanks, Paul.  I didn't think I could be the only one. 

Curiously, when I tried dpkg-reconfigure, dpkg told me that it was not 
installed, and then that it was not fully installed.  I ran dpkg -i, which 
reports complete, but the same result applies.  Did you use bugreport to file?  
If you did, what was the tracking number -- I think maybe I should add this 
information.

Cam


* Paul Scott ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Cam Ellison wrote:
> > I upgraded to Debian sub-version 3 of OO today, and now cannot
> > access any of it.  I get messages (including when I try setup)
> > regarding malformed .desktop files (e.g. printeradmin.desktop,
> > textdoc.desktop).  Although I have Gnome installed, I do not use it.
> > The ~/.gnome/apps/OpenOffice.org 1.0 dir has all the .desktop files,
> > with data in them, but the .kde and .kde2 equivalents have empty
> > files.  I copied the .gnome files to
> > ~/.kde2/share/applnk/OpenOffice.org 1.0, but get the same result.
> >
> > Anyone have any ideas?
> 
> I posted the same thing to debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org and didn't
> get a direct answer yet but I think Chris Halls is working on it.  In 
> the meantime I can start OO from an xterm.
> 
> My other concern is having to download the whole 61MB just to fix 
> something in the install script.
> 
> Paul Scott
> 
> 
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Re: After upgrading kernel I lost my CDROM

2002-05-09 Thread Joachim Fahnenmueller
Hi Edward,

it seems that your DVD-ROM is also recognized by ide-scsi (though I don't know 
why), so try to mount it as /dev/scd0 (CD-R should then be /dev/scd1).
Maybe to avoid conflict append="hdd=ide-scsi,hdc=scsi".
BTW, does cdrecord work? And can you mount your CD-R to read a CDROM?

HTH, Joachim

On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 10:35:05PM -0700, Edward Kleckner wrote:
( ... )
> SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
> scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
>   Vendor: PIONEER   Model: DVD-ROM DVD-106   Rev: 1.08
>   Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
>   Vendor: PLEXTOR   Model: CD-R   PX-W1610A  Rev: 1.02
>   Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
( ... ) 
> My lilo.conf has append="hdd=ide-scsi" in it.
> 
> My question is: what did I hose in updating the kernel since it is
> most unhappy with hdc??


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Re: Modules question

2002-05-09 Thread Seneca
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:10:05PM +0200, Joachim Fahnenmueller wrote:
> On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 05:21:22AM -0400, Seneca wrote:
> > (all my floppies are fat)
> 
> Hope they still fit into the drive ;-)

They all fit into the drive, but there's this one floppy... I don't know
how it does it, but it gets fatter in the drive and gets stuck. I have
to pull out the tweezers and screw-removers and pull it out (and the
floppy has the tweezer gouges to prove it).

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Re: WARNING! unknown gpg corruption

2002-05-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.05.09.2243 +0200]:
> fishbowl:~> gpg --homedir .gnupg.corrupt --list-packets 330c4a75
> gpg: can't open `330c4a75'

mh, this doesn't work with the non-corrupt version, although
i remember listing the packets in my key once to get a little behind
the workings of OpenPGP. what's the real command?

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Re: WARNING! unknown gpg corruption

2002-05-09 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach H.Heinold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.05.09.2248 +0200]:
> Did you have it on an nfs volume?

no. it's local. i am running a fsck right now though...

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OpenOffice.org i18n

2002-05-09 Thread Jorge Santos
Hello, it seems to me that you have to get specific builds of
OpenOffice for each language.  Does the Debian packages have the same
problem?  We've been using StarOffice here at work and I'm thinking
about upgrading to OpenOffice and would like to use de debs, but I
also need it to be in spanish.

TIA

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Re: WARNING! unknown gpg corruption

2002-05-09 Thread H.Heinold
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:43:50PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> hi debian-folk,
> 
> i am issuing a warning which might be purely prophylactic, but
> i figure it's better than not to mention it. it's about GPG and about
> something along the lines of keyring corruption through normal usage.
> so read this before you continue using your woody GPG to verify signed
> email!
> 
> i don't have many details, let me explain to you what happened
> (fortunately i had my keyring backed up):
> 
> throughout this day, i was happily signing my mail with gnupg 1.0.6-3,
> the last message i successfully signed was sent 22:16 hours GMT, which
> was about 20 minutes ago.
> 
> when i tried to send an email about 10 minutes ago, the signing failed
> with the following errors:
> 
>   gpg: key A8FA196E: secret key without public key - skipped
>   gpg: key 3290879A: secret key without public key - skipped
>   gpg: key 330C4A75: secret key without public key - skipped
>   gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available
>   gpg: signing failed: secret key not available
> 
> (the three are all keys i use).
> 
> oh my, i said, and ran to the console to check:
> 
> fishbowl:~> gpg --list-key 330c4a75
> gpg: error reading key: public key not found
> fishbowl:~> gpg --list-keys
> fishbowl:~> gpg --list-sigs
> fishbowl:~>
> 
> and i had at least 1000 public keys in my keyring, and at least 30
> signatures on my 330c4a75 key. they are all gone, the keyring is not
> usable anymore, neither public nor private.
> 
> and the worst of all: i did not do *anything* than read mailing lists,
> so the only GPG interaction there is automatic fetching of keys from
> the keyserver through mutt.
> 
> for the technologically gifted:
> 
> fishbowl:~> gpg --homedir .gnupg.corrupt --list-packets 330c4a75
> gpg: can't open `330c4a75'
> 
> otherwise i am clueless!
> 
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Did you have it on an nfs volume?



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Re: Malformed .desktop files in OpenOffice

2002-05-09 Thread Paul Scott

Cam Ellison wrote:
> I upgraded to Debian sub-version 3 of OO today, and now cannot
> access any of it.  I get messages (including when I try setup)
> regarding malformed .desktop files (e.g. printeradmin.desktop,
> textdoc.desktop).  Although I have Gnome installed, I do not use it.
> The ~/.gnome/apps/OpenOffice.org 1.0 dir has all the .desktop files,
> with data in them, but the .kde and .kde2 equivalents have empty
> files.  I copied the .gnome files to
> ~/.kde2/share/applnk/OpenOffice.org 1.0, but get the same result.
>
> Anyone have any ideas?

I posted the same thing to debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org and didn't
get a direct answer yet but I think Chris Halls is working on it.  In 
the meantime I can start OO from an xterm.


My other concern is having to download the whole 61MB just to fix 
something in the install script.


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WARNING! unknown gpg corruption

2002-05-09 Thread martin f krafft
hi debian-folk,

i am issuing a warning which might be purely prophylactic, but
i figure it's better than not to mention it. it's about GPG and about
something along the lines of keyring corruption through normal usage.
so read this before you continue using your woody GPG to verify signed
email!

i don't have many details, let me explain to you what happened
(fortunately i had my keyring backed up):

throughout this day, i was happily signing my mail with gnupg 1.0.6-3,
the last message i successfully signed was sent 22:16 hours GMT, which
was about 20 minutes ago.

when i tried to send an email about 10 minutes ago, the signing failed
with the following errors:

  gpg: key A8FA196E: secret key without public key - skipped
  gpg: key 3290879A: secret key without public key - skipped
  gpg: key 330C4A75: secret key without public key - skipped
  gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available
  gpg: signing failed: secret key not available

(the three are all keys i use).

oh my, i said, and ran to the console to check:

fishbowl:~> gpg --list-key 330c4a75
gpg: error reading key: public key not found
fishbowl:~> gpg --list-keys
fishbowl:~> gpg --list-sigs
fishbowl:~>

and i had at least 1000 public keys in my keyring, and at least 30
signatures on my 330c4a75 key. they are all gone, the keyring is not
usable anymore, neither public nor private.

and the worst of all: i did not do *anything* than read mailing lists,
so the only GPG interaction there is automatic fetching of keys from
the keyserver through mutt.

for the technologically gifted:

fishbowl:~> gpg --homedir .gnupg.corrupt --list-packets 330c4a75
gpg: can't open `330c4a75'

otherwise i am clueless!

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Re: [suporte] Re: (OT) POP Outlook Folders to Imap Linux

2002-05-09 Thread Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira

Hi Theo and others,
Is there any other way to do this?
Install Netscape 6 in every machine that wants to migrate this is a 
pain.
TIA,Paulo Henrique.

On Thu, 9 May 2002 20:21:12 +0200
Theo Fokkinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 01:14:31PM +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira 
> wrote:
> > I installed exim, wu-imapd-ssl and ipopd-ssl from woody in a Potato 
> > Debian GNU/Linux machine.
> > All is working fine.
> > I have a machine with 200 POP folders in Outlook that I cant get them I 
> > put them inside Imap folders.
> > Any hints?
> 
> I think, I saw mozilla (on win32) could import outlook
> mailboxes. Maybe you could use mozilla to convert the outlook
> mailboxes to imap mailboxes and then use the mail client you
> want (with imap support), for new mail.
> 
> Theo 
> 
> 


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Re: Kernel Compiling [HELP!]

2002-05-09 Thread Joachim Fahnenmueller
Hi Curtis,

your procedure seems ok. Can you boot with the previous kernel? If so, look for 
the messages on booting the new kernel (e. g. /var/log/kern.log) and maybe post 
these.

Regards, Joachim

On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 05:31:04PM -0700, curtis wrote:
>   Ok, here I go again!
> 
> I am trying to compile a kernel with FreeS/WAN.
> 
> Here are the procedures I have followed, but after completing them on 
> the reboot my computer starts the loading process and then reboots over 
> and over, ad nauseam.
> 
> I downloaded FreeSWAN source and kernel-source-2.4.18
> 
> addgroup [username] src   
> su [username] 
> cd /usr/src 
> tar -xf kernel-source-2.4.18.tar 
> ln -s kernel-source-2.4.18 linux  
> export PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES
> cd linux
> su root
> make-kpkg -config=menuconfig kernel-image
> #(at this point I check to make sure IPSEC/FreeSWAN is included under 
> Networking options)
> cd /lib/modules
> mv 2.4.18 2.4.18-old
> cd /usr/src
> dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.18..deb
> 
> 
> I have done this now four times, but the same results. I have even downloaded 
> the kernel-source again, just in case something was wrong with it.
> 

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Re: Modules question

2002-05-09 Thread Joachim Fahnenmueller
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 05:21:22AM -0400, Seneca wrote:
> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 09:46:27PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> > On 8 May 2002, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > > possible, right?  Create an hourly cron job that does "rmmod -a",
> > > to eliminate any unused modules.
> > 
> > If you do that, do modules get re-inserted as needed?
> 
> I think it would depend upon the kernel. Early in the kernel config,
> there is a question about autoloading modules when needed. I haven't
> tried kernels without it, but whenever fat support is unloaded, if I use
> my floppy (all my floppies are fat), it's loaded.

It also depends on the entries in /etc/modules.conf . See:
kerneld-mini-HOWTO (available at http://www.linuxdoc.org) (a little outdated, 
but still very useful)
man modules.conf
man update-modules .

> (all my floppies are fat)

Hope they still fit into the drive ;-)

Regards, Joachim

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Re: Red Hat user shopping around

2002-05-09 Thread Joachim Fahnenmueller
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 10:24:39PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
( ... )
> The main thing that struck me on the move are that some of the
> configuration files are "automagically" updated (modules.conf for example)
> and if you make changes to them directly you can end up losing those
> changes.

I agree that things like update-modules and update-menus seem complicated at 
the beginning. But now I find them very useful and well-designed. Many changes 
are indeed done "automagically" (e. g. on installing a new package) but you can 
also make changes "by hand" if you know how.

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Malformed .desktop files in OpenOffice

2002-05-09 Thread Cam Ellison
I upgraded to Debian sub-version 3 of OO today, and now cannot access any of 
it.  I get messages (including when I try setup) regarding malformed .desktop 
files (e.g. printeradmin.desktop, textdoc.desktop).  Although I have Gnome 
installed, I do not use it.  The ~/.gnome/apps/OpenOffice.org 1.0 dir has all 
the .desktop files, with data in them, but the .kde and .kde2 equivalents have 
empty files.  I copied the .gnome files to ~/.kde2/share/applnk/OpenOffice.org 
1.0, but get the same result.

Anyone have any ideas?

TIA

Cam

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Re: Installing X on woody

2002-05-09 Thread D. Michael McFarland
"Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>  However, it may be helpful to install the "base-config" from unstable and
> then run it manually to finish the installation. This can be done rather
> easily by configuring a "sources.list" file listing both the testing and
> unstable sources, then configuring a default release version for your
> system such as:
>
> -- /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10default 
> APT::Default-Release "testing";
>
> then udpate your package list and pull the "base-config" package from
> unstable
>
> dselect update 
> apt-get install base-config/unstable

Sure enough, this works.  Thank you.

Best regards,
Michael


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RE: Colors in term?

2002-05-09 Thread Jan Johansson
> What's the value of the TERM environment variable?  
> env|grep TERM should tell you, at least under bash.

TERM=vt220

BitchX gives me color tho. but MC, ls and stuff does not.  


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openoffice lib

2002-05-09 Thread Dale Hair
I tried running spadmin after installing the latest openoffice 1.0.0-3
with apt-get.  It seems the library path needed to be added to
/etc/ld.so.conf for it to run.  Could this be done in the installation
process.

Now I think I had my HP LaserJet 1100 installed with openoffice641d but
it is not an option now.  Which is the best printer driver to use for
this.



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2002-05-09 Thread internet
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Re: PowerEdge 1650 / Debian help!

2002-05-09 Thread Debian
At 02:18 PM 5/9/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello,
>You've got a few different options. You could just install the system
>from CD, then copy the e1000 driver to a floppy, and then compile it on
>your 1650. 

I can't even worry about the network yet because I can't install anything
from CD.  I can't find any distribution or floppy set that will recognize
the RAID controller or the hard drives attached to it (I've read through
the archives of this list and tried them all). 

I just tried downloading the latest and (what I thought was) greatest
woody distribution ("boot floppies" version 3.0.22). I burned a CD
and booted. I get "no hard disk drives were detected." 

Using the floppy rescue/boot disks I get the same thing and I can't
seem to get the driver disks to load and allow access to the hard drive.

When the system starts I see that one container is recognized, and
that it seems to be properly configured (I was able to install RH with
no problem as a test).

Is there a "known-good" .iso CD image or set of Debian floppy images someone
could point me to?

How is one supposed to use the driver floppy images? I've been using
dd to create them the same way I create the rescue/root disks. I get
"Cannot mount the floppy. Stop" every time. 

reb


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Re: Increasing font size in mozilla

2002-05-09 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 20:45, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
> You can use ALT+mousewheel to change font size on
> the fly. A very nice feature of Mozilla.

I missed the start of the thread, but the original poster may be
interested in this http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
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Re: Increasing font size in mozilla

2002-05-09 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel

You can use ALT+mousewheel to change font size on
the fly. A very nice feature of Mozilla.


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Problem with mail to news...

2002-05-09 Thread Aquarion
Because I find news far easier to deal with than email for mailing
lists, I'm filtering [EMAIL PROTECTED] into a series of local
newsgroups (local.debian.*, in fact) with procmail, inn2, and
mail2news (mail2news isn't the debian package, although I think it's a
newer version of the same program. The debian version was giving me
all sorts of "Message-id not found" messages, so I went from source)

(all this is running on Woody, BTW) 

Here is the problem:

Whilst most things are going fine, my news reader is having
difficulties with some messages, where I only see the mailing-list
added signature. For example:

---
Path:
unknown!lists.debian.org!bounce-debian-devel=linux=aquarionics.com
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:21:00 +0200
Subject: Re: possible mass-filing of bugs: many shared library
packages contain binaries in usr/bin
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;
From: (Address deleted)
Newsgroups: local.debian
Approved: yes
Organisation: Sacrifice's Mail2News Thingy
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Lines: 59
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The key thing thats the same about all of missing messages is that
they have "Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;" headers
inside them. I assume that means they are pgp signed, but is there
anything I can get procmail to parse them though to turn it into
something my client can read, like text/plain?

Yours in total sincerity, 

   Aquarion

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Re: troubleshooting my hardware

2002-05-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 12:25, Alex Hunsley wrote:
> A while ago I was having trouble installing linux on a certain machine. I
> tried windows to see if it might also have problems - it did, crashing
> frequently. An attempt last night to re-install linux failed - I got quite
> far, selected which packages to install, and machine just hung during
> installing the packages (it hung on a message about "uncompressing
> ncurses-term").
> Can anyone suggest good ways to test my hardware for defects? I know about
> memtest86 - I'll be running those tests - but are there any other good testing
> suites out there? Preferably linux based and bootable from a floppy...

How about reducing the machine to the bare minimum, including disabling
non-critical functions in the BIOS, and re-installing.

That will eliminate dodgy hardware, unless the DIMM you use is the
problem.  If it still pukes, yank that DIMM and put in a new one.

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Mailman.

2002-05-09 Thread Daniel Doro Ferrante


Hi Folks,

I am using mailman as a 2-way gateway for a particular
newsgroup. (I am running Debian 2.2r6.) However, /etc/cron.d/mailman
reports some problem all the time. Something like this:

---
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 119, in ?
main()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 101, in main
lock.unlock()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 263, in unlock
raise NotLockedError
Mailman.LockFile.NotLockedError
---

I even believe that i udnerstand the message, but i don't quite
know what to do with respect to it...

Any hints?!

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Re: (OT) POP Outlook Folders to Imap Linux

2002-05-09 Thread Theo Fokkinga
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 01:14:31PM +, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira 
wrote:
>   I installed exim, wu-imapd-ssl and ipopd-ssl from woody in a Potato 
> Debian GNU/Linux machine.
>   All is working fine.
>   I have a machine with 200 POP folders in Outlook that I cant get them I 
> put them inside Imap folders.
>   Any hints?

I think, I saw mozilla (on win32) could import outlook
mailboxes. Maybe you could use mozilla to convert the outlook
mailboxes to imap mailboxes and then use the mail client you
want (with imap support), for new mail.

Theo 


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RE: How to get xfree86 v4 working after dist-upgrade?

2002-05-09 Thread Brooks R. Robinson
| Hi,
| 
| I upgraded from potato to woody and now I would like to use the new 
| version 4 x windows software. It seems that it all installed everthing 
| but version 3 is still running when I do startx. I didn't see anything 
| in the release-notes. Other than that the upgrade went well.
| 
| What is the Debian way to get this working?

IIRC you can rename /etc/X11/XF86Config to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.

HTH,

Brooks


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Re: how to use -j DROPLOG in iptables?

2002-05-09 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Patrick Hsieh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020508 20:24]:
> Hello,
> 
> When I use -j DROPLOG in iptables, my woody complains:
> iptables v1.2.6a: Couldn't load target 
> `DROPLOG':/lib/iptables/libipt_DROPLOG.so: cannot open shared object file: No 
> such file or directory
> 
> Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
> 

I've never seen DROPLOG; it's some kind of extension, no? What I have
seen people do is something like this:

iptables -N logndrop
iptables -A logndrop -j LOG
iptables -A logndrop -j DROP

and then use -j logndrop wherever they want to log and drop a packet.

Personally, I don't find it too much trouble to specify 2 lines (a log
and a drop) each time I want to discard a packet. It gives me the added
benefit of specifying a separate --log-prefix for each place in my
filter that things are dropped.

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What about Woody?

2002-05-09 Thread Jorge Santos
I can't believe no one has asked this yet.  Does anyone knows what is
going on with the 3.0 release?  I'm not demanding a release date or
such, it's just that is been more than a week since Anthony Towns
predicted it would be out and then he said the issues with the
security maintenance for Woody and I can't find any info on what's
going on with it.  I repeat, I'm not demanding anything, and I'm not
looking for answers like "But Woody has been stable for a long time
now, just do this or that to get it"... I'm just curious.

TIA

Jorge Santos


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re: My ultimate linux box

2002-05-09 Thread Jens Tollofsen
Would be cool with water cooling in it. koolance or some other vendor,
and isolate the box with noisekiller pads. shouldnt sound that much
then. Only bad thing with the koolance box is that its so small. With
the price that box will have i supose you have won on a lottery or
something in that way. Ohwell, if it isnt good enuff for you you can
always give it to me then ;)




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Re: Woody net base install from local mirror

2002-05-09 Thread Jamin W . Collins
On Thu, 9 May 2002 19:44:00 +0300 (EEST)
"George Karaolides" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does anyone know how I can set up a local partial Debian mirror so the
> base system can be installed from it?

I've done so using the debmirror script.  The only thing I had to manually
do was to create symlinks for the release names to the appropriate status
(potato -> stable, woody -> testing, sid -> unstable).

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Re: Printing

2002-05-09 Thread Alvin Oga

hi ya steve

sounds like progress...

and the next step is to print the "tiger.ps" to the pritner...
followed by netscape/browser printint pages to it ??

lpr -P'epson fun ...' /etc/printcap

cd /usr/share/ghostscript/5.50/examples
gs -dNOPAUSE -sOutputFile=|lpr -Plp tiger.ps
- color or bw tiger... both works...

c ya
alvin


On Thu, 9 May 2002, steve downes wrote:

> In the present time too it would appear. That was the one I needed. 
> 
> Thinking about it & going back to when I last was messing about with
> Printcap I should have known the answer. The printer definition has to
> be in one line (the \ at the end of the line simply puts a new line on
> screen, not in the file) therefore a rem # half way down takes out the
> rest of the definition. 
> 
> I'd have got there in a year or two myself


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Re: eeyes conflicts with gnome-panel-data in testing

2002-05-09 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:27:56AM -0600, user list wrote:
> I am doing a fresh update from potato (first 2.2 CD's) to testing and
> I have the following problem:
> 
> Preparing to replace eeyes 1:0.3.11-5 (using .../eeyes_1%3a0.3.12-4_i386.deb) 
> ...
> Unpacking replacement eeyes ...
> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/eeyes_1%3a0.3.12-4_i386.deb 
> (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-ee.png', which is also in 
> package gnome-panel-data
> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
> 
> I'm guessing that I will be able to force an overwrite, but should I?

This is bug #145421. You should be able to continue the upgrade by
making sure gnome-panel-data gets upgraded first; repeating the upgrade
may manage that by itself, or you could manually 'apt-get install
gnome-panel-data'.

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troubleshooting my hardware

2002-05-09 Thread Alex Hunsley
A while ago I was having trouble installing linux on a certain machine. I
tried windows to see if it might also have problems - it did, crashing
frequently. An attempt last night to re-install linux failed - I got quite
far, selected which packages to install, and machine just hung during
installing the packages (it hung on a message about "uncompressing
ncurses-term").
Can anyone suggest good ways to test my hardware for defects? I know about
memtest86 - I'll be running those tests - but are there any other good testing
suites out there? Preferably linux based and bootable from a floppy...

thanks
alex


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Re: eeyes conflicts with gnome-panel-data in testing

2002-05-09 Thread user list
Sorry for this really dumb question. the icon is pretty trivial. However, this 
looks like a bug that could lead to kvetching by newbies so I'll file a bug 
report.

Again, I apologize for my density.

Art Edwards
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:27:56AM -0600, user list wrote:
> I am doing a fresh update from potato (first 2.2 CD's) to testing and I have 
> the
> following problem:
> 
> Preparing to replace eeyes 1:0.3.11-5 (using .../eeyes_1%3a0.3.12-4_i386.deb) 
> ...
> Unpacking replacement eeyes ...
> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/eeyes_1%3a0.3.12-4_i386.deb 
> (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-ee.png', which is also in 
> package gnome-panel-data
> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
> 
> I'm guessing that I will be able to force an overwrite, but should I?
> 
> Art Edwards
> 
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Re: X Fonts and Ximian Gnome

2002-05-09 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 18:31, Jeremy Turner wrote:

> (2) After getting the X server working, I would like to install Gnome.
> AFAIK, the only(?) way to do this is with Ximian Gnome's installer,
> correct?

You don't say which debian version you use. Ximian does only support
stable, and for now that means potato, but this will probably change,
since woody will be the new stable soon.

If you use potato (I don't think this makes sense anymore on a desktop),
Ximian is a good way to go, since the potato gnome packages are ooold.
But, debian and ximian gnome packages don't mix due to different
packaging, so you should purge all gnome stuff from debian before
installing ximian gnome.

I would recommend to run woody, and simply use the gnome packages from
woody. To install them, dselect would be my tool of choice, since it
also shows you "recommends" and "suggests" (which apt-get does not), so
you have a better chance to find all the gnome packages you want


> I get this error that libgnome-vfs0_1.0.5-1.ximian... is trying to
> overwrite /usr/lib/vfs/extfs/a, which is a file included in
> gnome-vfs-extfs.  My install dies, and now I can't install anything with
> apt-get.

This is probably because you have mixed debian and ximian packages: Some
files are put in different packages by the respective package
maintainers, so you get a warning that package A wants to overwrite
files that are installed by package B. However, if you are sure you
didn't mix, it may only be an error in the ximian packages.
You can "dpkg -i --force-overwrite libgnome-vfs0_1.0.5-1.ximian.deb"
(see dpkg --force-help)


> For the RTFM's out there, where is the FM? 

http://lists.debian.org/search.html

> I have looked on Ximian's
> site (no support at all),

http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php
http://www.ximian.com/devzone/manuals/index.html


> Also, I believe I am
> running a testing woody machine (though I'm still getting used to the
> exact terminology).

Aaah, here it is. Well, Ximian does not support woody right now
(although it's possible to install it. I once had it and it worked
fine). Still, debian's gnome packages for woody are so good that I don't
see why one would want to install ximian. OTOH, when you plan to keep
running woody (and not switch to the new testing after woody has gone
stable), it may make sense to install ximian: if the release process
stays as it is, quite some time will pass until the
stable-release-after-woody.  In 2 year's time, the woody packages will
be as old as potato's are now, while ximian will regularly include the
newest gnome stuff
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Re: Printing

2002-05-09 Thread steve downes
Dunno whether it will work yet. I'll try prnting to "epson inkjet"
when I've sorted the other problems & let you know. I'll probably
always use lp day to day anyway.

Steve

On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 09:29:08AM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> 
> hi ya
> 
> you can have any number of aliases (description) for the pritner
> besides -Plpr  
>   -Pepson
>   -Pepson800
>   -P'epson inkjet'   should work but who knowz...
> 
> but you probably dont want to use that "epson inkjet" in the lpr command
> 
> c ya
> alvin
> 
> lpr|epson800|epson inkjet|post script printer:\
>   
> 
> On Thu, 9 May 2002, dave mallery wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 02:39:01PM +0100, steve downes wrote:
> > > 
> > > lp|epson inkjet:\
> > 
> > is the above "epson inkjet" valid? (spaces, etc)
> > 
> 
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Re: Printing

2002-05-09 Thread steve downes
In the present time too it would appear. That was the one I needed. 

Thinking about it & going back to when I last was messing about with
Printcap I should have known the answer. The printer definition has to
be in one line (the \ at the end of the line simply puts a new line on
screen, not in the file) therefore a rem # half way down takes out the
rest of the definition. 

I'd have got there in a year or two myself

Many thanks alvin

Regards

Steve

It now prints text files fine, on to magicfilter problems.


On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 07:06:30AM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> 
> hi ya steve
> 
> in the old days you could not have comments in
> the printcap stanza... try move the #  lines before  lp|epson
> and see if helps
> 
> c ya
> alvin
> 


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Re: Printing

2002-05-09 Thread steve downes
Loaded Printtool but it wouldn't run without control-panel or some
additional configuration. Isn't this a Red Hat program? Used it when I
first started playing with Linux but didn't like it then. Resorted to
hand writing my printcap but that was a while ago & I've gone rusty
since then. 

Thanks for the suggestion. You will see futher down the thread that
the problem was remming out lines within the printer definition.

Regards

Steve

On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:03:43AM -0400, Quenten Griffith wrote:
> I used a handy tool called printtool to set up my network printer.  Its 
> a nice option if you don't feel like configuring it by hand.
> 
> steve downes wrote:
> 
> >Struggling to get my Debian Woody system to print. Any help greatly
> >appreciated.


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Re: Java plugins

2002-05-09 Thread dave mallery
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:32:52AM -0300, Carlos A P Gomes wrote:
> Hi,
> some time ago someone in this list suggested a way to get java plugins
> installed on woody by runnig the browser as root e accessing java.sun.com.

that was me.  just finished doing it again.  it only needs root 
to get the install done...

dave

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Re: Red Hat user shopping around

2002-05-09 Thread jeff
Glen Lee Edwards wrote:

> What are the main differences between Debian and Red Hat (I'm assuming there 
> are
> a few current or ex-Red Hat users here)?

isntallation 'looks' much different (i like it -
simpler), config files are much easier to find in
debian, apt is such a slick tool, and i find the
debian site (IMHO) is SO much simpler to browse
than redhat when you're looking for
support/packages.
 
> How well does FVWM run on Debian systems?  I currently build FVWM rpms for Red
> Hat.

fvwm (at least for me) runs great. but then again,
most of my systems have at least 32 mb of ram.
fvwm, windowmaker, and a new charmer on the scene,
fluxbox - which is based on blackbox.
 
> I need to run servers on two 16 Meg RAM boxes - DNS and mail mainly.  X would 
> be
> nice, but I usually use X forwarding on those boxes to another one that can
> handle the load (500 MHZ, 512 Meg RAM).

shouldn't be a problem at all. as long as your
servers aren't handling a million users a day or
something.  :)
 
> Any thoughts or suggestions you have will be appreciated.  I need to run a 
> Linux
> distribution that will work as both a server and a desk top environment.  And 
> I
> need one that will remain loyal to its customer base, including those with low
> resource PCs.

granted i've only been 'playing' with linux for
about 2 years now...it seems that debian has not
only a loyal user base, you might even call it
'lethal'. hop on IRC and go to the debian channel
on irc.openprojects.net. most debian peeps defend
this nice distro tooth and nail...and they're
definitely not afraid to speak their mind.  :) 
but i find them to be serious and helpful...albeit
a bit snotty. they're not getting paid tho so i
don't complain.  :)

i think once you get in the drivers seat, you'll
want to take it home.

> Regards,
> 
> Glen
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Woody net base install from local mirror

2002-05-09 Thread George Karaolides

Hi all,

With Debian potato, it was fairly trivial to put the base2_2.tgz file
in a webserver under a directory
$DOCUMENTROOT/debian/dists/potato/main/disks_i386 and do a net
install of the base system from a local mirror.

Now with woody, the install system seems to look for debian packages where
my local partial mirror (created with apt-move) doesn't have them.  My
local mirror works for the main installation after the base system is
installed, but not for the base system.

Does anyone know how I can set up a local partial Debian mirror so the
base system can be installed from it?

Best regards,

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eeyes conflicts with gnome-panel-data in testing

2002-05-09 Thread user list
I am doing a fresh update from potato (first 2.2 CD's) to testing and I have the
following problem:

Preparing to replace eeyes 1:0.3.11-5 (using .../eeyes_1%3a0.3.12-4_i386.deb) 
...
Unpacking replacement eeyes ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/eeyes_1%3a0.3.12-4_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-ee.png', which is also in 
package gnome-panel-data
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)

I'm guessing that I will be able to force an overwrite, but should I?

Art Edwards


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X Fonts and Ximian Gnome

2002-05-09 Thread Jeremy Turner
Hello

I'm new to Debian (a recent convert from Mandrake) and a moderately
advanced Linux user, but I've been having a few problems getting
everything up and running on my IBM ThinkPad A22m (the problems aren't
laptop-related).

(1) The X server is complaining about not finding the 'fixed' font.  I
have (to my knowledge) xserver-xfree86, xserver-common, xfonts-100dpi,
and xfonts-75dpi installed (I'm not sure what else related).  Is there
something I'm missing?  I'm doing the configuration with 'XFree86
-configure', if that helps any.

(2) After getting the X server working, I would like to install Gnome.
AFAIK, the only(?) way to do this is with Ximian Gnome's installer,
correct?  Their two methods are the 'http://go-gnome.com | sh' and
'apt-get install task-ximian-gnome' (from
http://red-carpet.ximian.com/debian stable main).  I've read some bad
things about the go-gnome installer, so I decided to do it the apt-get
way (since that's why I've enjoyed Debian).  There's a ton of extra
packages that are required, so I install them all.  Then the fun begins.
I get this error that libgnome-vfs0_1.0.5-1.ximian... is trying to
overwrite /usr/lib/vfs/extfs/a, which is a file included in
gnome-vfs-extfs.  My install dies, and now I can't install anything with
apt-get.

More reading allowed me to see that with dselect I can tell apt not to
keep trying to install libgnome-vfs0.  I tried taking the
red-carpet.ximian.com out of sources.list, updating, and installing the
non-ximian libgnome-vfs0.  That seemed to work.  I uncommented
red-carpet.ximian.com, and tried to do it again, and I get the same
error.

For the RTFM's out there, where is the FM?  I have looked on Ximian's
site (no support at all), at debian.org (not half bad, great package
searching), and Google seems to not like me today.  Also, I believe I am
running a testing woody machine (though I'm still getting used to the
exact terminology).

Any help would be appreciated!

Jeremy


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Re: Printing

2002-05-09 Thread Alvin Oga

hi ya

you can have any number of aliases (description) for the pritner
besides -Plpr  
-Pepson
-Pepson800
-P'epson inkjet'   should work but who knowz...

but you probably dont want to use that "epson inkjet" in the lpr command

c ya
alvin

lpr|epson800|epson inkjet|post script printer:\


On Thu, 9 May 2002, dave mallery wrote:

> On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 02:39:01PM +0100, steve downes wrote:
> > 
> > lp|epson inkjet:\
> 
> is the above "epson inkjet" valid? (spaces, etc)
> 


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(OT) POP Outlook Folders to Imap Linux

2002-05-09 Thread Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira

Hi all,
I installed exim, wu-imapd-ssl and ipopd-ssl from woody in a Potato 
Debian GNU/Linux machine.
All is working fine.
I have a machine with 200 POP folders in Outlook that I cant get them I 
put them inside Imap folders.
Any hints?
TIA,Paulo Henrique

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Re: Printing

2002-05-09 Thread dave mallery
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 02:39:01PM +0100, steve downes wrote:
> 
> lp|epson inkjet:\

is the above "epson inkjet" valid? (spaces, etc)

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1280x1024 for i810 w/X4.1 on dell m781p monitor

2002-05-09 Thread Uhlhorn, Stephen R
Hello-

I'm having difficulty getting my dell m781p to display at 1280x1024 (several
flickering vertical lines are shown on screen). I built a 2.4 kernel w/
agpart and i810 support. The configured X using debconf and inputting the
correct Horiz and Vert scan rates for the monitor, but when I try to run
1280x1024 resolution, the flickering lines appear. The screen is fine when
run at 1024x768. Also, the monitor is fine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] under windows.
Is there some problem with the i810 driver at this resolution?

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Re: Red Hat user shopping around

2002-05-09 Thread dman
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 11:49:16PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
[some quotes re-arranged for better cohesiveness of replies]
| dman writes:
| >On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:09:13PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:

| >(I couldn't get my 8MB clunker to boot from a cd and didn't have any
| >floppies handy so I stuffed the hd in a bigger machine for the
| >install.  Be aware that with only 8MB RAM package updates and many
| >other operations cause lots of thrashing.  16MB would be much better
| >:-)).
| 
| That's what I call resourceful.  I'd have put Windows 95 back in it and then
| used it for target practice.

:-).

The machine had no cd drive; I borrowed the (2x) sony drive and the
corresponding sound blaster controller card from my dad's old machine.
The BIOS wouldn't boot it, and I couldn't figure out the DOS driver to
allow using loadlin.  I had stolen the floppy drive from it because I
was too cheap to buy one for my new machine (that I assembled) and
didn't have any installer floppies handy (I'm not sure if I had a NIC
in the machine at the time either).  It served masquerading for the
phone line for a while until we got DSL.  I didn't want to buy another
ISA NIC so I moved the masq onto my desktop machine.  When I moved to
Illinois a few months ago (co-op job with International Teams, check
it out at www.iteams.org) I revived the machine to handle the firewall
and masquerading.  It was capable of upgrading from potato to woody,
but I got tired of the thrashing so I put the drive into my modern
machine (again) and did the upgrade there and then moved it back.
It's been running great and even serves as my secondary MX.  (well, I
half-killed it when I forgot to include load-limiting options in my
exim configuration and the kernel started killing processes.  I
couldn't log in because sshd was dead; and when I went home even login
was dead!  It still managed the routing though :-))

| >As far as availability and findability goes, RH has sendmail as the
| >only MTA.  Debian has sendmail, exim, postfix, ssmtp, and I'm sure
| >there are others as well.  The same goes for many other tools.  When I
| >made the switch from RH to Debian I was amazed to find included on the
| >cd many little-known programs I had failed to compile on my RH system.
| 
| I need one that's secure and gives you real control over it.  I've been using
| Sendmail.  But I've been receiving mail from spammers that, according to the
| message ID, are originating from my own box.  I'm guessing that they're either
| sending mail directly from their home system to my Sendmail program, using it 
as
| the MTA, which they aren't supposed to be able to do (relaying denied is set),
| or they've somehow hacked me and are originating spam mail from my computer.  
I
| need an MTA that gives me more control over the mail in my system, including 
the
| ability to have copies of all mail that originates in my system sent to me by
| the MTA.

Sendmail is wholly under your control -- I've heard that it's
configuration language is Turing complete.  For the same reason it's
horrid to configure and would be a good enough reason to try linuxconf
:-).  Beware -- linuxconf doesn't properly configure sendmail on
debian!  Use exim instead, it's much easier to configure.
 
| >| I need to run servers on two 16 Meg RAM boxes - DNS and mail mainly.
| >
| >I recommend running spamassassin with your mail service.  It won't
| >take kindly to low memory (it uses around 8-9MB on my machine) though
| >some people run it on a 486 with 32MB RAM.  (I think those are
| >terminal machines with relatively low volumes of mail)  You can have
| >'spamd' running on a different machine than your MTA, though.
| 
| I'll try it and see how it handles it.  I don't think it'll be a problem.  The
| box I need to run it on only has 16 Meg RAM, but currently Sendmail is using 
0%
| of the processor and 2.05% of memory, while Named is using 0% of the processor
| and 11.72% of memory.
 
For a no-source-changes configuration see these docs :
http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/config_docs/exim3_spamassassin.html
The downside of that technique is each message is handled by exim
twice.

If you want to compile exim yourself, then this is a neat new method :
http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/sa.html

It requires exim 4 (which isn't yet packaged for debian because the
maintainer didn't want to try and introduce a major incompatible
change right before woody's release) and due to the newness of the
"local scan" api requires recompilation of exim any time you change
the local_scan.  Marc has his own debian packages of exim4+sa on that
site too.

I'm currently using Marc's local_scan, which is really slick!

| >| (I'm assuming there are a few current or ex-Red Hat users here)?
| >
| >Yep.  RH 7.0 pushed me over the edge (I only started with 5.2 which
| >didn't like my vid. card and then 6.1).
| 
| I started with 5.2 also.  Actually I tried Slackware first.  That was a
| nightmare.  How'd I know they'd exp

Problem with XFree86 under sid

2002-05-09 Thread jeff
I've been running Debian sid on a single processor 600 MHz Athlon machine for a 
while, and have been doing dist-upgrades nightly. I recently upgraded my kernel 
to 2.4.18 (though this has nothing to do with the problem).

I physically moved my computer to a different location, and began to experience 
problems with my keyboard and mouse under X. Either xf86cfg or going into X 
would freeze the keyboard and mouse, which would become completely 
unresponsive. SSH'ing into the machine worked, but no matter what I couldn't 
free the display, which showed the XFree86 grey background and X mouse cursor.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Jeff
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Re: photomesa .debs?

2002-05-09 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

On 09-May-2002 stan wrote:
> I was reaading an article on slashdot this morning that referenced a photo
> browser called
> photomesa. Lookrd interesting.
> 
> Anyone know where I can find this as a .deb?
> 

note the Java requirement and the non commercial license ..


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Re: Dial Up Machine Configuration

2002-05-09 Thread Eric G. Miller
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 02:05:13PM +0100, Dave Whiteley wrote:
[snip]
> Consider for example a time server. I would like to have it running to
> provide time synchronisation for all my machines, so I would like it
> to start at boot. However, I do not want it to dial up regularly,
> which would suggest that I should start it up at dial up.

Consider chrony which has ppp scripts for up/down behavior.  I've
been using it for years now without intervention...

> I am (thinking about) trying to devise scripts to control things.  

For services that don't have up/down scripts for ppp already, you
may have to do this.  Not too hard... 

> It should be possible to bring up services at boot, so that they only
> service the local domain. Then, on sucessful dialup, to restart them
> in a mode that will make use of the link. When the dialup is broken
> then it reverts to the original setting. Of course, this means that
> everything will start up at the same time, and they will all probably
> monopolise the phone link. So we need to prioritise the services and
> so allow the user who brought the link up to get reasonable service.
> 
> Of course, I would like to be able to upgrade packages without having
> to re-edit all the scripts. I am sure that I am not the only person to
> want to do something like this. 

Packages are supposed to ask before touching modified init scripts on
update...  Sometimes, your scripts may get broken by significant changes
though (so be prepared).

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Re: Dial Up Machine Configuration

2002-05-09 Thread John Hasler
Dave Whiteley writes:
> Consider for example a time server. I would like to have it running to
> provide time synchronisation for all my machines, so I would like it to
> start at boot. However, I do not want it to dial up regularly, which
> would suggest that I should start it up at dial up.

Use chrony for your timeserver.  The default configuration will do exactly
what you want.  The server will start at boot and run all the time but will
only attempt to connect to a server out on the Net when the ppp link is
already up for some other reason.

> It should be possible to bring up services at boot, so that they only
> service the local domain.  Then, on sucessful dialup, to restart them in
> a mode that will make use of the link.

It is.  What servers do you have in mind that don't already provide for
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Re: Red Hat user shopping around

2002-05-09 Thread dman
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 11:43:21PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
| On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
 
| > They recently dumped inet for xinet.  Instead of having one configuration 
file
| > in /etc/inetd.conf, they now have individual files per service in
| > /etc/xinetd.d/.  I'm sure that makes sense to somebody, but it makes 
configuring
| > it a real headache.
| 
| That just hurts...why would someone implement something in such an
| obviously painful manner?

Have you ever tried to read RH init scripts?  Have you ever tried to
find an init script?

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Re: PS/2 mouse

2002-05-09 Thread Rudy Gevaert
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 03:40:03AM -0700, John Joe wrote:
> i have Debian 2.2 and PS/2 mouse. the mouse works
> except the mouse pointer (the X mark) does not show.
> (it takes me a while to realize that the mouse works)

I suggest you do the following:
- install gp;
- run gpmconfig and get your mouse working in console

As options you could try:
device=/dev/psaux
repeat_type=raw
type=ps2

If you have a normal ps2 mouse...

Then:
- insert als mouse divece /dev/gpmdate in you XF86Config file
- insert the right protocolin the XF86Config file

If the above option did work try this one:Option "Protocol" "PS/2"

Make sure gpm is working under console when you try your X 

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Re: Red Hat user shopping around

2002-05-09 Thread dman
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 01:09:42AM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| Ron writes:
| >
| >> That by itself is good enough for me to try it.  I absolutely dread Red Hat
| >> upgrades.  I don't know why they can't do it so you can just upgrade 
individual
| >> packages without having to re-install the whole system.  Most of the time 
when I
| >> upgrade I can guarantee that the box will be down for one to several days. 
 Ugh!
| >
| >Note, though, that even with Debian, if a package requires, say,
| >perl5.6, and your old stable/Potato box only has perl5, you're
| >going to download a _whole_lot_ of dependant packages.
| 
| I don't have a problem as much with downloading dependencies as I do with
| needing programs that require conflicting libraries.  I'm fortunate in that I
| have an ADSL line that will allow 66+ kB/s downloads, assuming the site I'm
| accessing can handle it.  If the perl dependencies in your example install
| without breaking other dependencies, I'm good to go.

That's the beauty of apt combined with Debian-quality packages.  The
deps Just Work (unless maybe if you run unstable, but that's why it's
called "unstable").

| >A Debian policy-that-I-think-is-a-quirk: there is the the concept 
| >of the meta-package.  mail-transport-agent is an example.  When,
| >for example, you install exim, mail-transport-agent is also 
| >installed.  If you want to install postfix to test it out, apt 
| >will remove exim, since the exim & postfix packages are both 
| >members of the same meta-package.  It won't let me manage 
| >inetd.conf to make sure that 2 different programs are combating
| >for the same port.
| 
| Not sure I'm following what you mean.  Are you trying to get inetd to read
| queries to the port, and based on the query determine which program to open?  
I
| don't think you can do that.  Technically it's possible, but based on Internet
| standards my understanding is that specific ports are designed for specific
| programs (protocols).  And trying to get inetd to pick between exim and 
postfix
| based on the incoming packets I would think would require a complete rewrite 
of
| inet.

I'll explain with an example :


[EMAIL PROTECTED] # apt-get --simulate install mail-transport-agent
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Package mail-transport-agent is a virtual package provided by:
  zmailer-ssl 2.99.55-3
  exim-tls 3.35-3
  zmailer 2.99.55-3
  ssmtp 2.50.6
  smail 3.2.0.114-4
  sendmail 8.12.3-4
  postfix-snap 0.0.20020115-5
  postfix 1.1.4-2
  nullmailer 1.00RC5-16
  masqmail 0.1.16-2
  exim 3.35-1
  courier-mta 0.37.3-2
You should explicitly select one to install.
E: Package mail-transport-agent has no installation candidate

[EMAIL PROTECTED] # dpkg -l exim
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   Version
Description
+++-==-==-=
hi  exim   3.35-1 An 
MTA (Mail Transport Agent)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] # apt-get --simulate install postfix
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  postfix-ldap postfix-pcre
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  exim
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  postfix postfix-ldap postfix-pcre
The following held packages will be changed:
  exim
0 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 1 to remove and 5  not upgraded.
Remv exim (3.35-1 Debian:testing) [mutt pms mailx ]
Inst postfix-ldap (1.1.4-2 Debian:testing) [mutt pms mailx ]
Inst postfix-pcre (1.1.4-2 Debian:testing) [mutt pms mailx ]
Inst postfix (1.1.4-2 Debian:testing)
Conf postfix-pcre (1.1.4-2 Debian:testing)
Conf postfix (1.1.4-2 Debian:testing)
Conf postfix-ldap (1.1.4-2 Debian:testing)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] #

I have exim installed.  It "provides" the virtual package
mail-transport-agent.  postfix also provides mail-transport-agent.
Both conflict with mail-transport-agent.  If I try to install one of
them, the other will be removed.

It's supposed to be a feature, and fortunately packages can be removed
without obliterating their config files, and apt stores package files
in /var/cache/apt so it isn't too painful to switch back and forth
(unless your machine thrashes when apt runs).

-D

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Re: Red Hat user shopping around

2002-05-09 Thread dman
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 01:11:30AM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
| On Thu, 9 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| 
| > >> have an ADSL line that will allow 66+ kB/s downloads, assuming the site 
I'm
| > >> accessing can handle it.  If the perl dependencies in your example 
install
| > >> without breaking other dependencies, I'm good to go.
| > >
| > >Jeez...I'm so glad I'm back on cable.  66kbps is infuriatingly slow...
| 
| > Actually that's KBytes - or 528 kBits/second.  The line is rated at 640 kb/s
| > download, but slightly over 520 is what I usually get.  That allows me to
| > download a full cdrom in about 2 1/2 hours.  I just download the 3 CDRom 
Red Hat
| > 7.3 distro in less than 8 hours.  Took weeks on my old 14.4 modem.
| 
| Erk, I meant 66kBps.  Any time I've pulled less than 130 kBps on cable
| I've had all my roommates were awake at the same time and had people
| over with thier computers, or the server I was connecting to just didn't
| have the bandwidth to send to me that quickly.  My DSL experiance wasn't
| good:  Installation took forever.  It crapped out constantly.  Repairs
| took forever.  It was bloody expensive compaired to cable (about $5 more
| a month than cable based on time, and more than that based on uptime,
| and more than that based on bytecount.)

It all depends on your local services.  Where I'm from (Roch. NY)
cable is more expensive.  It only took about a month, I think, from
the first phone call to have the line setup.  I did the in-the-house
install myself (plugged in the Cisco 677 bridge and configured that
NIC for DHCP and masquerading).  My ADSL line is rated 3Mbps
downstream and something small upstream.  The actual performance
ranges from bad (~20KBps) to great (~100-200KBps) (note the
capitalization of 'B').  The local cable service costs about $10/mo
more IF you have bettter-than-Basic cable TV service and about $10/mo 
more than that if you have Basic or no cable TV service.  My
(parents') house has no cable TV wiring between the street and it.
The cable internet service is rated at 2Mbps downstream.  Both
services are mostly ok (from what I hear).  The DSL service _was_
rather crappy in that it required "logging on" via a web form before
IP routing would work (apart from the DNS server and that web server).
I automated it in /etc/network/interfaces and a python script.
They've since elminated that source of failure.

Right now I have T1 access, but the gateway at home still has the DSL
service.
 
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Re: Java plugins

2002-05-09 Thread Brett Parker
Mario Vukelic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 15:32, Carlos A P Gomes wrote:
> > Hi,
> > some time ago someone in this list suggested a way to get java plugins
> > installed on woody by runnig the browser as root e accessing java.sun.com.
> > 
> > My question: is there any security issue installing that plugin as root?
> 
> I would rather suggest to simply install blackdown's java from
> http://www.blackdown.org/
> The deb line in /etc/sources.list reads, e.g.,
> 
> deb ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/java/debian woody non-free
> 
> (but choose a mirror near you). Then apt-get update; apt-get install
> j2re1.3 (for the runtime) or j2sdk1.3 (for the SDK)

Hrm - with moz I tend to go for a different approach and change the
permissions on its plugins directory to make it owned and writtable by
the staff group, which I tend to be in. Having said that, that was
before I installed the blackdown java packages. Although, it does make
it lots easier to install other plugins.

Cheers,

Brett


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Re: Woody: apt mysteriously wants to pull in 100 MB from sid. Why?

2002-05-09 Thread dman
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 09:56:37PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
| On 7 May 2002, Mario Vukelic wrote:
| 
| > Also, especially in the release process of woody I find this highly
| > inconvenient :) I would sleep better knowing that I track "woody", not
| > "testing", when a new "testing" can pop up over night, and "woody"
| > suddenly means "stable"
| 
| I think that third, special tree goes away for a few weeks while the
| maintainers start actively grinding on unstable again, until someone
| decides, "Hey, we're ready to move forward again," in which we get a new
| fork off of unstable which gets called some name for a while that I
| can't remember before renamed to testing, and later, stable.

I think that's the old-school release mechanism (developed when
"testing" didn't exist).  I think the new mechanism is to have
"testing" rebranded as "stable" at some point, but otherwise remain
unchanged.  The effect is that, for a while, testing==stable (this
time sarge==woody) until the latest updates in sid propagate their way
down.  The theory is that that will eliminate the stop-and-wait
bottleneck with the old process.

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Re: After upgrading kernel I lost my CDROM

2002-05-09 Thread dman
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 10:35:05PM -0700, Edward Kleckner wrote:
| I have been running a version of woody from Feb 28, 2002 on a 686
| machine using the 2.2.19 kernel that was installed from a potato cdrom
| set and then the software was updated from another cdrom set to
| woody.  Everything was working fine for many days, but xcdroast
| complained about cdrecord not working since it needed a 2.4 kernel.
| So finally tonight I did an apt-get install kernel-2.4.17-686 and that
| went fine and is what I'm using now. HOWEVER, when I try to access the
| cdrom drive I get the following in dmesg:

The 2.4 kernel has the ide cdrom driver compiled as a module.  Add
'ide-cd' to /etc/modules and all will be restored at the next reboot.
Just modprobe that module now to use the cd before the next power
cycle.

-D

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Re: Red Hat user shopping around

2002-05-09 Thread dman
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 08:37:56AM +0100, Peter Whysall wrote:
| On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 07:39, Ron wrote:
| > On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:18, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
| > > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| > [snip]
| > > - dpkg makes life easier than dealing with RPM.  The dpkg isn't a
| > > complete bitch to deal with like RPM on the command line.  You also have
| > > to make an effort to install two versions of the same package with dpkg,
| > > instead of it being the default behaviour like it is with RPM.
| > 
| > I don't remember being able to easily install 2 versions of 
| > the same package.

Use -i (install) instead of -u (upgrade).  With rpm, the version
number is kinda part of the package name.  The package name is as much
as you specify, rather than having specific delimiters like dpkg.  rpm
also allows multiple packages with the same "name" (different version)
installed, as long as no two files have the same name.  It's a real
PITA.

Whenever a library goes through a major incompatible revision, debian
keeps both around as separately named packages designed to co-exist.

| > > - apt makes life easier than dealing with... oh yeah, Red Hat doesn't
| > > have anything to resolve dependancies and download packages
| > > automatically.  So apt is better than getting cozy with a bash prompt
| > > and rpmfind.net for a few hours.
| > 
| > RH now has Red Carpet, which does something similar to apt-get,
| > but I think you must go only to redhat.com.  No choosing the
| > fastest mirror.
| 
| Not so. In fact, Red Carpet isn't part of Red Hat Linux, and you /can/
| choose your mirror. It's a product from Ximian.
| 
| The integrated update tool is called up2date, and /does/ automatically
| resolve dependencies. In fact, you can automatically resolve
| dependencies if you have the redhat-rpmdb package installed. RPM is a
| capable packaging system, with meta-packages, dependency resolution and
| all that good stuff. The real mystery is why Ximian are the only people
| who have chosen to leverage that.

When I tried up2date (a long time ago) it really sucked and didn't
work well and supported almost no packages.

Someone has even ported apt to rpm.  It has some problems though --
it's potato's apt (no preferences) and it mmaps the Packages file.  I
tried using it (within the last few months) on a machine with 96MB
RAM.  It dies with an out-of-memory error.  Potato's apt on my 8MB
clunker _works_ even though it gets a sound thrashing in the process.

-D

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