Re: rms on debian

[Jesse Meyer]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Kevin Mark wrote:

> http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=260
>
> [ SNIP ]
> 
>  RMS: When I recommend a GNU/Linux distribution, I choose based on
> ethical considerations. Today I would recommend GNU/LinEx, the
> distribution prepared by the government of Extremadura, because that's
> the only installable distribution that consists entirely of free
> software. If I knew of more than one such distribution, I would choose
> between them based on practical considerations. 
>
> [ SNIP ]
>
> So now that Debian is 10, RMS changes to another distro? What's up?

We criticize our politicians for having no backbone.
We criticize RMS for sticking to his principles.

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Re: rms on debian

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 12:18:08AM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:

> So now that Debian is 10, RMS changes to another distro? What's up?
> -K

The tale of the RMS/Debian relationship is told in _Free as in
Freedom_ by Sam Williams, a biography of RMS.  You can of course buy
it from O'Reilly, or read it at .
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Re: Web script

[David Fokkema]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 05:42:23PM -0400, Reaz Baksh wrote:
> Hell
> 
> Can some one help me with some information?
> 
>  
> 
> I'm looking for a script that will allow me to get web pages, and then
> copy some of the information from them, then create a new page with the
> information I pulled.
> 
>  
> 
> I saw one that used, I think, RSS but I lost it.

You might want to take a look at wget. It will recursively fetch whole
pages for you including links, images, whatever, any way you like. Then
you can edit the source by hand or maybe try amaya, a browser/editor
(that doesn't support crappy code).

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, though.

David

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Re: exim does not add domain to outgoing addresses...

[David Fokkema]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 11:59:57PM +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote:
> I need to add:
> 
> testmail is not a local user. It is just an entry in the /etc/aliases (which 
> is used as an addressbook for all users on the system).
> 
> 
> How do I tell exim to _only_ use domainnames instead of hostnames?
> 
> I think that would solve my problem completely.

You might want to read the 'Address Rewriting' section in the exim info
pages, available from the exim-doc package. There's a wealth of
information contained in those pages.

HTH,
David

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rms on debian

[Kevin Mark]

http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=260

TRB: Let's say I came to you and I'm an end-user that has never used
anything other than Windows. I have no command line experience, just
point-and-click abilities. How would you configure a system for me --
what distribution (assuming you would choose GNU/Linux as the OS),
software, and so forth, would you give me?

 RMS: When I recommend a GNU/Linux distribution, I choose based on
ethical considerations. Today I would recommend GNU/LinEx, the
distribution prepared by the government of Extremadura, because that's
the only installable distribution that consists entirely of free
software. If I knew of more than one such distribution, I would choose
between them based on practical considerations. 

 TRB: What about Debian GNU/Linux, which by default does not install any
non-free software?

 RMS: Non-free programs are not officially considered "part of Debian",
but Debian does distribute them. The Debian web site describes non-free
programs, and their ftp server distributes them. That's why we don't
have links to their site on www.gnu.org. 

 GNU/LinEx is better because it does not distribute or recommend those
programs. 
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-K


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Re: airo problem

[Jeremy T. Bouse]

I'm not running the same model but with the 2.6.0-test? series I've
been running into problems with the airo/airo_cs drivers with my 350
pcmcia card... Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it will load the driver
but won't initialize and other times it just locks the whole machine
up... I did have to take the card to a co-worker with a Windows machine
and flash it to the latest firmware release to get it to be somewhat
more stable and reliable...

Regards,
Jeremy

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 06:52:44PM -0400, Nathan Michaels wrote:
> I have a cisco/aironet 340 pci carrier for a pcmcia card that's giving 
> me issues.  I installed woody on a Pentium II/300 with this card.  I 
> then installed the pcmcia-cs package and wireless-tools from stable 
> (pcmcia-cs from the woody r1 cd and wireless-tools from a mirror).  Now 
> when I modprobe airo, I get this:
> airo: Probing for PCI adapters
> airo: MAC could not be enabled
> airo: Finished probing for PCI adapters
> 
> I tried the same machine with knoppix and it worked fine.  Any ideas?
> 
> ~Nathan
> 
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Re: kernel-package system: install a boot block using the existing /etc/lilo.conf?

[Bob Proulx]

Kevin McKinley wrote:
> Bob Proulx wrote:
> > installed, the symlinks pointing to it, and running lilo will set up
> > the boot to go to the new kernel.
> [...]
> When I got to the "install ... existing lilo.conf" question, if I answered
> yes rebooting the system when the script finished would boot the old kernel.
> Doing as I wrote would boot the new kernel.

Interesting.  I just verified with an update of a machine from the
bf24 2.4.18-bf24 to 2.4.20-2-k7 (using the 2.4.20 kernel from
woody-proposed-updates) that this would work and it did.  I wonder if
there was a bug in a previous postinstall which has been fixed?

> > I have noticed a bug in the kernel-image*.postinst script which does
> > not always get the /vmlinuz et al symlinks correct, leaving them
> > pointing to the old kernel.  I tried debugging that problem but have

I can definitely recreate this problem.  Time to debug it further and
get to root cause of it.  Won't be able to do it this weekend,
however.  But I think it might be related to your experiences.

> I don't like the symlinks thing anyway -- I would prefer to refer to a
> kernel by its full name (as grub does).

I can imagine that is all a compromise.  The symlinks are relatively
easy for the postinstall to rotate through from one kernel to the
next.  The current symlinks point to the latest installed kernel and
the old symlinks rotate to vmlinuz.old et al.  To refer to the full
names it would mean reading, modifying, writing the lilo.conf file
each time and working around any of the local admins modifications to
that file.  Using the symlinks avoids that need.  Which I imagine is
why the maintainer chose the course chosen.

Also, when going to an initrd kernel lilo.conf already needs to be
edited for that purpose.  The maintainer apparently did not feel
confident in the ability to read, modify, write that file while
working around local admin edits and therefore there is a manual step
there currently for the admin to do insert the initrd image config.
So there are two times where editing of the lilo.conf file was
avoided.  Which leads me to assume there is some type of dragon on the
map there.  Probably the working around the edits of the local admin.

> > > What you want to do is install a new boot block which refers to the new
> > > kernel you just compiled.
> > 
> > Which should be the default.
> 
> I agree though, that installing a new boot block referring to the new kernel
> should be the default.

Actually when I said "should" I meant "works for me".  I have not seen
the case you describe yet in my set of installations.  Other than the
problem where the symlinks did not actually get updated.

> I don't normally use lilo -- I use grub instead, ...

GRUB is good.  But I wish the package would automatically set itself
up a little more than it does currently.  Once configured it is self
sustaining.  But the initial setup is manual.  Simple, I know.  Two
lines edited in /boot/grub/menu.lst plus four more if you are dual
booting.  And three lines added to /etc/kernel-img.conf.  But it would
be nicer if it just worked out of the box.  I still use it.  It is
just like Debian.  More work to install but easier and self-sustaining
once it has been installed making it quite worthwhile.

Bob


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Re: fetchmail error

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, 2003-08-16 at 18:25, Kevin Mark wrote:
> Hi deb-users,
> could anyone point me in the right direction.
> pop3 server->fetchmail->sendmail->pop3 client (evolution)
> Fetchmail issues an SMTP error and cant continue getting the rest of my
> email.

After I used evolution to d/l my mail directly, I saw the previous posts
about a possible bug in the debian-user email list software. 
Can anyone suggest a command in Sendmail that will do what
'headers_check_syntax false, headers_sender_verify false' will do in
exim 4?
I have yet to learn MTA.
-kev


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Re: Backporting debhelper

[Bob Proulx]

Travis Crump wrote:
> Wouldn't it be a bug in the package if it build-depended on debhelper 4, 
> but didn't actually use any features not available in debhelper 3[in 
> which case it should build-depend on debhelper 3]?[and I have debhelper 
> 4.1.52 and dh_shlibs isn't on my system...]

Everything builds against the 'unstable' at the time it enters the
archive.  Nothing else is required.

I think it is a wonderful goal to determine what the minimum level of
depends are that you need for a package.  But I also think it is too
much to ask developers to do that.

Although perhaps if it could be tested against the current 'stable'
and that dependency version used instead it would be generally
beneficial.  It would certainly make maintaining backports much
simpler.  Developers would get extra karma points for it.

Bob


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Re: which woody-iso ?

[Kevin Mark]

> got a broadband connection.
> 
> [1] From the Debian.org main page, select "Network install" -> "Minimal
> CD" -> "LordSutch.com ISOLINUX mini-ISO image". You're probably
> interested in the
> .
> 
> 
Another option is bonzai linux. 
http://developer.berlios.de/projects/bonzai/
150mb minicd iso that installs woody with 2.4.21 kernel(latest iso) and
basic kde. From there you can setup ethernet and ppp and apt-get the
rest.
and of course -- the biggest  iso-- knoppix
-Kev


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Re: Hardware

[Edward Murrell]

Repeat after;
*sits in the corner repeating "Do not post at 2:30am after coming down
off a caffiene buzz. Do not post..."*

Seriously though. While ATi has drivers, they don't appear to work for
the full range of OpenGL functions. To my understanding, they have a
bunch of patents, some not owned by them, in those drivers, so they
can't release them as open source. Instead, they've done the next best
thing, and released them as closed source which works with pretty much
any 2.4.x kernel, and without sacrificing features. 

Twinview, and TV-Out both work - although I can't get two separate
displays for two separate servers (where I would plug in a separate
mouse and keyboard, and run two 'terminals' off the same computer. :/



Actually, having done some reading since I last upgraded my video card
(at which point, I want to play UT2K3, and only nVidia cards would do
this), it seems things have got better. Preferably, I'd like something
nvidia style, or better yet, something downloaded with Xfree86. It MUST
do the following;
OpenGL (at a decent speed, with full support).
TwinView
TV-Out

If ATi drivers can now do this for all cards, across all archs, without
buggering around (which includes things like using alien to get at
Redhat only drivers), then I'll take a look. Until, I'll stick with
nVidia. If this is the case, then I'll retract all my points and return
the rock from whence I came. ;)

Edward



On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 05:01, Pigeon wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 02:36:28AM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote:
> > 
> > As for ATi. Go with nVidia, same yourself the pain.
> 
> I would point out that while "My ATI 9000 isn't working" has come up a
> few times on the list recently, "My NVidia isn't working" comes up all
> the time.
> 
> 
> With NVidia you have a choice of open-source drivers which are crappy
> because NVidia won't release enough information to make them not
> crappy, or NVidia's own drivers which are binary-only closed-source
> and sit like a cancerous growth deep in the bowels of your system.
> Yuck, yuck, yuck. Don't buy anything from NVidia. Support
> open-source-friendly hardware manufacturers, go with ATI.
> 


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Re: ATI Radeon 9000 question

[Peter S Galbraith]

Hi,

I installed sid a few months ago with the experimental X4.3 and gor my
Radeon 9000 Pro working well in 2D, but never got 3D working for OpenGL.

Then a few weeks ago, my hard disk had problems and my root partition
was unbootable.  I downloaded the Knoppix CD to use as a rescue disk
(and to try it out, since I had to reinstall anyway) since it runs off
the CD completely.  It booted, detected my Radeon correctly and even
setup DRI for it!  I have working 3D!

I have since instaklled it to hard disk.

Peter


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Reports from the 10th Birthday Party Zurich/Switzerland

[martin f krafft]

Fellow Debian-Geeks,

I tore my ligaments this afternoon playing volleyball, but the
doctor seemingly didn't understand when she called me crazy to go to
a party. Well, I did -- on crutches -- and I am glad I did. In the
hope that other sites will share a short report of their event, I am
herewith reporting on what happened this very night in the wonderful
city of Zurich (Switzerland). The party was a blast!

http://www.etoy.com/debian

We were hosted by etoy.com, who apparently has some experience with
event management. It started at 19:30 on the roof of a building
that's home to two clubs along with three rather big companies
(suppliers of dairy food derivatives to Switzerland). Etoy, along
with 10 other sponsors had reserved a space and put up inflatable
seating tubes (which were, uh, not so ergonomic). The mingling
was eased by the free beer and free sausages they served, and
everyone was having a good time -- everyone being about 180
registered and another 60 previously unregistered guests.

In addition to the free food and drinks, Etoy also provided two DJs
that definitely caused the ocassional rockin' hip, but all in all
did not hinder the social aspect of being together amongst
interesting people. And it was interesting to see how diverse
geekdom can get. We had WLAN access up there, but only a few had
laptops, and the usual geeky behaviour seen at conferences did not
surface. After all, we had nothing to prove to each other (isn't
that what geeks are all about) and noone to convert. Instead,
everyone was having a good time, and it was impossible to get bored.

Of course, the main topic was Debian in all its forms, and while,
apart from some ideas that might be worth pursuing, we didn't get
productive, it was a joy to see so many people brought together
because of the belief in a project. As the evening progressed, of
course the topics broadened, and by midnight, the space was still
superfull with people chatting and enjoying their time... that's
a pretty good indicator of success, no?

But wait, not so fast. There were also organised contents in the
form of presentations. A short podium discussion was held on the
question of how to make money with Open Source, and talks on other
topics which evaded me because I had to leave for a while and rest
my foot.

I was, of course, back in time for the obligatory "happy birthday"
chorus... I am telling ya: world class... we could have recorded
that song and shot straight into the top 10!

Thereafter, we held a keysigning party where 35 participants were
joint by a couple of late comers, and the usual chaos emerged from
people following a simple set of rules. Btw: even though keysigning
is O(n^2), the fact that you have n "processors" let's you approach
O(log n), given that all do exactly as they are told. I think
that's right, but then again I was surely drunk at that time.

A nice addition to the event was the presence of the government of
the Transnational Republic (www.transnationalrepublic.org), which
issued official passports to old and new citizens at the event. If
you haven't heard of this before, check it out. It's a cool idea
(which I find to be not at all incompatible with Debian).

Shortly after midnight, a sweet smell tingled our noses as the
organisers revealed the culinary highlight of the day: Thai
vegetable stirfry with the optional duck breast (which was really
damn good).

I left the party at 01:00 mainly because my ankle was throbbing.
Unfortunately, there was also a (thunder)storm building up, so at
least the electronic infrastructure was moved inside. I doubt that
a few drops of rain tore that party apart, and even if, the choice
of venue results in about 10 Zurich clubs reachable within
a 5 minute stroll. The show will go on.

All in all, a great party. I would herewith like to thank the Etoy
crew for organising this splendid event (and hope that a future
cooperation might evolve). I hope that in the other 26 locations,
the fête was at least as cool.

And now, I am falling into bed. Screw that bloody ankle. A night out
in Zurich, good music, cool people, food and drink, and all that for
free. Hell yeah, now I know what this "Free Beer and Free Speech"
thing is all about...

/me out

PS: I didn't take pictures, but a couple of Debian developers passed
out our email addresses to folks pressing the shutter here and
there. Hopefully we'll be able to assemble a gallery of shots from
that night.

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rpc.statd message on syslog...

[Manolis Tzanidakis]

Hello,
I run nfs-kernel-server on some boxes running sid & I noticed
the following message on syslog :

[rpc.statd] statd running as root. chown /var/lib/nfs/sm to choose different
user

Creating a nfs user or something & chowning that dir to him
should make things a little more secure or I should just ignore
that message ?

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Re: Named Pipes

[moseley]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 11:16:04PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 06:24:09AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > I wanted to use a named pipe to provide random images.

> Do you have a particular task in mind? If so, maybe someone knows of an
> alternative way without depending on named pipes.

Well, yes a random image "file".  I was thinking for using it for xdm at 
first, but when I started thinking about it I ended up wondering more 
about named pipes than the task I started out to solve.  

There's a lot of ways to do random images, I just though a named pipe 
might be a simple way to do it.  Which is is.

Thanks,


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Re: telnet localhost slow, telnet 127.0.0.1 ok

[RUPERT LEVENE]

Shyamal Prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Rupert" == RUPERT LEVENE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Rupert> Shyamal Prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> "Rupert" == RUPERT LEVENE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Rupert> Antony Gelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 12:25:16AM +0100,
> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> Running strace telnet localhost 22 shows that it's trying
> >> to resolve the hostname localhost by querying the
> >> nameserver. I thought that shouldn't happen with my setup,
> >> though.

> The mystery deepens since I looked at your configs and compared with
> mine, and they are the same. The thing is, uh, when I run strace I see
> the same thing happen. I can see a query going to my local name
> server. 

> I've never noticed this because (a) I don't use telnet and (b) my
> nameserver responds quickly enough that I don't notice any wierd
> delay. 

> Now I'm really interested in the solution for your problem. Sorry I
> can't give you a solution ;-)

> Incidentally, ssh does not do this odd lookup and works exactly how
> I'd have expected telnet to.

Indeed. Netcat and galeon appear to do the right thing too, while
telnet, lynx and links all suffer from a delay. (I first noticed the
problem using lynx). My guess at the moment is that the combination of
a slow machine and a slow nameserver is exposing an odd bug in these
programs. Although I would be surprised if this were the case since
telnet and lynx have such a long pedigree...

Rupert


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airo problem

[Nathan Michaels]

I have a cisco/aironet 340 pci carrier for a pcmcia card that's giving 
me issues.  I installed woody on a Pentium II/300 with this card.  I 
then installed the pcmcia-cs package and wireless-tools from stable 
(pcmcia-cs from the woody r1 cd and wireless-tools from a mirror).  Now 
when I modprobe airo, I get this:
airo:	Probing for PCI adapters
airo:	MAC could not be enabled
airo:	Finished probing for PCI adapters

I tried the same machine with knoppix and it worked fine.  Any ideas?

~Nathan

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Konqueror pull down menus pull down a little too slow

[J F]

Konqueror pull down menus pull down a little too slow.
Is there a way to speed it up?

Usually there is a way to remove animation.

Thanks in advance,
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fetchmail error

[Kevin Mark]

Hi deb-users,
could anyone point me in the right direction.
pop3 server->fetchmail->sendmail->pop3 client (evolution)
Fetchmail issues an SMTP error and cant continue getting the rest of my
email.
---error---
Aug 16 18:13:02 debian fetchmail[1383]: reading message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4 of 311 (5310 octets)
Aug 16 18:13:02 debian fetchmail[1383]: SMTP error: 553 5.1.3
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[]>... Invalid route address
Aug 16 18:13:02 debian fetchmail[1383]:  flushed
Aug 16 18:13:02 debian fetchmail[1383]: client/server protocol error
while fetching from pop.pipeline.com
Aug 16 18:13:02 debian fetchmail[1383]: Query status=4 (PROTOCOL)
complete text-
Aug 16 18:12:40 debian fetchmail[1383]: starting fetchmail 6.2.3 daemon
Aug 16 18:12:45 debian fetchmail[1383]: 311 messages for kmark at
pop.pipeline.com (1732481 octets).
Aug 16 18:12:53 debian fetchmail[1383]: reading message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:1 of 311 (4103 octets)
Aug 16 18:12:55 debian sm-mta[1385]: h7GMCsaq001385:
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
size=4117, class=-30, nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
bodytype=7BIT, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Aug 16 18:12:55 debian fetchmail[1383]:  flushed
Aug 16 18:12:56 debian fetchmail[1383]: reading message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:2 of 311 (4529 octets)
Aug 16 18:12:56 debian sm-mta[1385]: h7GMCsar001385:
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
size=4517, class=-30, nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Aug 16 18:12:56 debian fetchmail[1383]:  flushed
Aug 16 18:12:57 debian fetchmail[1383]: reading message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:3 of 311 (4470 octets)
Aug 16 18:12:58 debian sm-mta[1386]: h7GMCsaq001385:
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, delay=00:00:03, xdelay=00:00:03, mailer=local,
pri=88274, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Aug 16 18:12:58 debian sm-mta[1385]: h7GMCsas001385:
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=4479, class=-30,
nrcpts=1,
msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
bodytype=7BIT, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Aug 16 18:12:58 debian fetchmail[1383]:  flushed
Aug 16 18:13:02 debian fetchmail[1383]: reading message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:4 of 311 (5310 octets)
Aug 16 18:13:02 debian fetchmail[1383]: SMTP error: 553 5.1.3
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[]>... Invalid route address
Aug 16 18:13:02 debian fetchmail[1383]:  flushed
Aug 16 18:13:02 debian fetchmail[1383]: client/server protocol error
while fetching from pop.pipeline.com
Aug 16 18:13:02 debian fetchmail[1383]: Query status=4 (PROTOCOL)
Aug 16 18:13:02 debian fetchmail[1383]: sleeping at Sat Aug 16 18:13:02
2003
Aug 16 18:13:03 debian sm-mta[1390]: h7GMCsas001385:
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, delay=00:00:05, xdelay=00:00:05, mailer=local,
pri=88639, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Aug 16 18:13:06 debian sm-mta[1388]: h7GMCsar001385:
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, delay=00:00:10, xdelay=00:00:09, mailer=local,
pri=88671, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Aug 16 18:13:31 debian fetchmail[1383]: terminated with signal 15

-TIA
-Kev


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Re: exim does not add domain to outgoing addresses...

[Rainer Dorsch]

I need to add:

testmail is not a local user. It is just an entry in the /etc/aliases (which 
is used as an addressbook for all users on the system).


How do I tell exim to _only_ use domainnames instead of hostnames?

I think that would solve my problem completely.

Thanks,
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Web script

[Reaz Baksh]

Hell

Can some one help me with some information?

 

I’m looking for a script that will allow me to get web
pages, and then copy some of the information from them, then create a new page
with the information I pulled.

 

I saw one that used, I think, RSS but I lost it.

 

Thanks

Reaz

Re: Hardware

[David Fokkema]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 06:01:15PM +0100, Pigeon wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 02:36:28AM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote:
> > 
> > As for ATi. Go with nVidia, same yourself the pain.
> 
> I would point out that while "My ATI 9000 isn't working" has come up a
> few times on the list recently, "My NVidia isn't working" comes up all
> the time.
> 
> 
> With NVidia you have a choice of open-source drivers which are crappy
> because NVidia won't release enough information to make them not
> crappy, or NVidia's own drivers which are binary-only closed-source
> and sit like a cancerous growth deep in the bowels of your system.
> Yuck, yuck, yuck. Don't buy anything from NVidia. Support
> open-source-friendly hardware manufacturers, go with ATI.
> 

My idea exactly. I asked for some opinions on ATI Radeon cards on
debian-laptop. Basically, they all work, including the 9000. That one
needs XFree 4.3 and the newest DRI, but it works and it's all open
source, so it will continue to work, no matter what.

Just as an aside on closed source drivers: the drivers for my ESS modem
were revoked by ESS just before I could download them. Never bothered to
try to find people who already had them... This happed some years ago,
but I never got my modem to work after that, :-(

David

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Re: Help needed with ethernet configuration - dhclient seems to ignore DHCPOFFER

[David Fokkema]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 09:03:36PM +0200, Komáromi Eszter wrote:
> I use SMC EtherEZ (8416) card on i486, Woody, kernel 2.4.18. ISA, pnp is
> disabled and the driver (smc-ultra) loads fine. The problem is, while I got
> several DHCPOFFERs, I never get an IP address.  Here're a few lines from my
> daemon.log while dhclient  is running:
> 
> Aug 16 12:40:21 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to

> Aug 16 12:41:37 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPOFFER from 213.222.163.254
> Aug 16 12:41:40 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
> 255.255.255.255 port 67
> Aug 16 12:41:48 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
> 255.255.255.255 port 67
> Aug 16 12:42:00 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to
> 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5

> and this goes on until i shut down dhclient.

I think only this part is interesting. What I see here is an offer, and
then a request. Nothing happens, until dhclient decides to do another
discover. That discover yields another offer, etc. What I'd like to see
is output from tcpdump. I would not be surprised a bit if your card does
a request and recieves an ARP packet from the server checking your IP
address. Since your interface hasn't been configured yet, that packet is
dropped and the server won't send the acknowledge to you. This is what
happened to me, some months ago.

HTH,
David

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Re: Named Pipes

[David Fokkema]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 06:24:09AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I wanted to use a named pipe to provide random images.  I know I can use 
> a program in a loop writing to the pipe, but that means starting the 
> program initially (from say a init.d or xdm startup script) where it 
> sits blocked until read from.
> 
> Question:
> 
> Is there a way in Linux to have the action of the reading program 
> opening the pipe (for reading) start up the writing program?
> 
> For example, if output_image.pl is a script that writes an image to a 
> named pipe, is there a way to associate it to a pipe where you can say:
> 
>$ display some_named_pipe
> 
> and have that action execute the program output_image.pl?
> 
> I'm just wondering if there's a way to avoid starting the writing 
> program.

Do you have a particular task in mind? If so, maybe someone knows of an
alternative way without depending on named pipes.

David

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snort - ip in report don't appear in log

[Micha Feigin]

I get a daily report from snort which claims all sort of
ICMP Destination Unreachable (Communication Administratively Prohibited)
and
(spp_portscan2) Portscan detected from 132.66.40.250: 21 targets 21
ports in 1 seconds
The IPs appearing in this report don't apear in any of the
/var/log/{messages|kern.log|syslog}.
The ICMP connections are incoming (does this message mean they were
dropped on something else was done with them).
The strange thing is that the portscans seem to originate from my
computer according to snort, although I didn't run any portscans.
Also, some of the connections reported are from and to IPs unrelated to
the network I am on.
This traffic always accures behind the university firewall, on my local
IP there.
What do these messages mean and should I be alarmed?
I am running shorewall and if I understood the settings correctly it
should allow all outgoing traffic and incoming traffic to ftp and ssh
only from 2 specific subnets, and all traffic to mldonkey ports
(although I should probably block those since the uni firewall is
blocking them also anyway).


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Re: telnet localhost slow, telnet 127.0.0.1 ok

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Rupert" == RUPERT LEVENE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Rupert> Shyamal Prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "Rupert" == RUPERT LEVENE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Rupert> Antony Gelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 12:25:16AM +0100,
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >>> Running strace telnet localhost 22 shows that it's trying
>> to >>> resolve the hostname localhost by querying the
>> nameserver. I >>> thought that shouldn't happen with my setup,
>> though.

>> >> Does your /etc/host.conf contain order hosts,bind

Rupert> Yes, it does.

>> I did not see the original post, but the other thing you must
>> have is that /etc/hosts must resolve local host to 127.0.0.1
>> too

Rupert> Yes, I have this. Here is another list of things I think
Rupert> could be relevant.

Hi Rupert,

The mystery deepens since I looked at your configs and compared with
mine, and they are the same. The thing is, uh, when I run strace I see
the same thing happen. I can see a query going to my local name
server. 

I've never noticed this because (a) I don't use telnet and (b) my
nameserver responds quickly enough that I don't notice any wierd
delay. 

Now I'm really interested in the solution for your problem. Sorry I
can't give you a solution ;-)

Incidentally, ssh does not do this odd lookup and works exactly how
I'd have expected telnet to.

Cheers!
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wflogs - wrong filter expression

[Micha Feigin]

I get a daily message from cron daily stating that :
/etc/cron.daily/wflogs_report:
/usr/bin/wflogs: error: wrong filter expression.
run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/wflogs_report exited with return code 1
I tried running the script myself and didn't get any errors.
It is settup by debconf to produce email and regular output in human
form.
Any ideas what could be causing the problem (afraid I don't know what
more to send, but if anything else can help let me know).

I tried reconfiguring using dpkg-reconfigure to a different settings but
didn't help.


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extension "XFree86-DRI" missing

[Micha Feigin]

I am running Xfree86 4.3 from the unofficial packages by Daniel Stone.
When running matlab, and displaying graphics I get the following
message:
Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"
I am not sure what kind of images produce this, since its not completely
consistent for some reason, but it includes 2D and 3D images and contour
plots.
I do have xlibmesa4-dri installed, the ati drivers from gatos for and
ati rage mobility m1 and a kernel compiled with drm support (r128)
driver. I also have a Load "dri" line in XF86Config.

What does this message mean, and can I do something to fix the problem?
Should I replace Load dri with Load r128_dri ?

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Re: Is there ANY .pdf format editor for Linux with a WYSIWYG GUI

[David Monarres]

On Friday 15 August 2003 06:43 pm, John Foster wrote:
> I want to locate an editor that will run on Linux that will handle .pdf
> flie format. I really am only interested in one with a WYSIWYG  GUI
> frontend. I just tried kile & it seeems to be partially there but does
> not appear to have a WYSIWYG mode for its editor.  Anyone have any
> suggestions?  Commercial is OK.
>
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I believe that the koffice beta supports pdf editing, and as with all kde 
apps, you can print to pdf using kprinter. 
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Re: Is there ANY .pdf format editor for Linux with a WYSIWYG GUI

[Carl Fink]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 11:44:59AM -0500, John Foster wrote:

> Sorry, I should have mentioned that these are various types of FORMS 
> that need to be filled
> out and either faxed or mailed (US Postal). My goal is to be abel to 
> fill them out using the
> keyboard & mouse...if possible. When I tried to cut and past I get all 
> of the .pdf encoding
> as characters.

You need Acrobat Reader version 6 or better, as far as I know, if you mean
the PDF forms are meant to be filled out on a computer.
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Re: [OT]: CVS replacement

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 01:43:00 +1000, Rob Weir wrote:
> > [tla]
> > > Another, perhaps less useful feature is symlink versioning.
> > > Subversion (and CVS) don't have this, and it's not targeted for
> > > pre-1.0, either.
> > 
> > Does it also support hardlinks (i.e. a file that has several
> > positions in the repository)?
> 
> No.  What sort of support would you like?  Just restoring the hard
> links, or smarter diffing or something more?

Here's an example. Most of my files are managed under Subversion,
with a single repository. I have a perl directory containing my
Perl scripts. But some of my Perl scripts are on my web server,
which corresponds to the www/software directory. For instance,
these two files are the same one:
  perl/bkm2a
  www/software/bkm2a
So, having a way to tell that to Subversion would be a good feature.
For the moment, this is handled by a script.

A symlink wouldn't be sufficient (or would be less practical), as my
website also contains "real" symlinks. So, I want to make a difference
between the two kinds of links.

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Re: Named Pipes

[Pigeon]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 06:24:09AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I wanted to use a named pipe to provide random images.  I know I can use 
> a program in a loop writing to the pipe, but that means starting the 
> program initially (from say a init.d or xdm startup script) where it 
> sits blocked until read from.
> 
> Question:
> 
> Is there a way in Linux to have the action of the reading program 
> opening the pipe (for reading) start up the writing program?
> 
> For example, if output_image.pl is a script that writes an image to a 
> named pipe, is there a way to associate it to a pipe where you can say:
> 
>$ display some_named_pipe
> 
> and have that action execute the program output_image.pl?
> 
> I'm just wondering if there's a way to avoid starting the writing 
> program.

I think you could do something of the kind by making output_image.pl
provide its output over a network port, and configure inetd to wake up
output_image.pl when it receives a connection to that port. (I've
never tried anything like this, but I know that exim, for example, can
be configured to behave like this.)

Alternatively, you could have your program-in-a-loop method consume
minimal resources by having a tiny little binary that does nothing but
sit and wait for something to read from the pipe, then when something
does, forks another process to actually provide the data.

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Help needed with ethernet configuration - dhclient seems to ignore DHCPOFFER

[Komáromi Eszter]

I use SMC EtherEZ (8416) card on i486, Woody, kernel 2.4.18. ISA, pnp is
disabled and the driver (smc-ultra) loads fine. The problem is, while I got
several DHCPOFFERs, I never get an IP address.  Here're a few lines from my
daemon.log while dhclient  is running:

Aug 16 12:40:21 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67
Aug 16 12:40:29 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67
Aug 16 12:40:43 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
Aug 16 12:40:44 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPOFFER from 10.11.1.254
Aug 16 12:41:37 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8
Aug 16 12:41:37 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPOFFER from 213.222.163.254
Aug 16 12:41:40 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67
Aug 16 12:41:48 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67
Aug 16 12:42:00 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
Aug 16 12:42:01 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPOFFER from 213.222.163.254
Aug 16 12:42:04 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67
Aug 16 12:42:09 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67
Aug 16 12:42:18 teknoc dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
and this goes on until i shut down dhclient.

I found this in dmesg, might be related to the problem, but don't really
know what to do with it (yes, I'm quite a newbie):

NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP, IGMP
IP: routing cache hash table of 512 buckets, 4Kbytes
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 1024 bind 1024)
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0/SMP for Linux NET4.0.
ds: no socket drivers loaded!
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.

output of ifconfig eth0:

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:00:C0:91:0D:D4
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:22 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:68 errors:17 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:51
  collisions:272 txqueuelen:100
  RX bytes:8294 (8.0 KiB)  TX bytes:29070 (28.3 KiB)
  Interrupt:10 Base address:0x250 Memory:c8000-ca000


I attach the whole dmesg output, my .config and modules.conf, hope someone
will have an idea.
I appreciate any help, thanks:

Eszter Komaromi
Linux version 2.4.18 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian 
prerelease)) #8 Thu Aug 15 13:35:39 CEST 1996
BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
 BIOS-e820:  - 000a (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 0010 - 0140 (usable)
 BIOS-e820:  - 0001 (reserved)
On node 0 totalpages: 5120
zone(0): 4096 pages.
zone(1): 1024 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=301
Initializing CPU#0
Console: mono *MDA 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 33.68 BogoMIPS
Memory: 18360k/20480k available (806k kernel code, 1736k reserved, 208k data, 188k 
init, 0k highmem)
Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok.
Dentry-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
Inode-cache hash table entries: 2048 (order: 2, 16384 bytes)
Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
Buffer-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0001  , vendor = 2
CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0001   
CPU: After generic, caps: 0001   
CPU: Common caps: 0001   
CPU: AMD Am5x86-WB stepping 04
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfbc80, last bus=0
PCI: Using configuration type 1
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
Disabling direct PCI/PCI transfers.
isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...
isapnp: No Plug & Play device found
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Initializing RT netlink socket
Starting kswapd
Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP 
enabled
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
block: 64 slots per queue, batch=16
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
hda: WDC AC31000F, ATA DISK drive
hdb: ASUS CD-S360, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdc: WDC AC280S, ATA DISK drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: 2116800 sectors (1084 MB) w/64KiB Cache, CHS=525/64/63
hdc: 166600 sectors (85 MB) w/7KiB Cache, CHS=980/10/17
Partition check:
 hda: hda1 hda2
 hdc: hdc1
Linux Kernel Card Services 3.1.22
  options:  [pci] [cardbus] [pm]
NET4: Lin

Re: Hardware

[Pigeon]

On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 02:36:28AM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote:
> 
> As for ATi. Go with nVidia, same yourself the pain.

I would point out that while "My ATI 9000 isn't working" has come up a
few times on the list recently, "My NVidia isn't working" comes up all
the time.


With NVidia you have a choice of open-source drivers which are crappy
because NVidia won't release enough information to make them not
crappy, or NVidia's own drivers which are binary-only closed-source
and sit like a cancerous growth deep in the bowels of your system.
Yuck, yuck, yuck. Don't buy anything from NVidia. Support
open-source-friendly hardware manufacturers, go with ATI.


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Debian and Emacs

[Afra]

Hi,

I am using Debian unstable with Emacs. I edit files via Tramp, so I can
SSH into the developmental servers and edit files through there. However,
every so often, Emacs locks up for a few seconds with en error such as
this:

auto-saving : opening output file no such file or directory
/home/rlb/emacs-xx.xx/devel/#filename#

How can I make this not happen?

Thank you very much.



On Fri, 15 Aug 2003, John Foster wrote:

=>Ron Johnson wrote:
=>
=>>On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 21:05, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
=>>
=>>
=>>>On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 08:43:24PM -0500, John Foster wrote:
=>>>
=>>>
=I want to locate an editor that will run on Linux that will handle .pdf
=flie format. I really am only interested in one with a WYSIWYG  GUI
=frontend. I just tried kile & it seeems to be partially there but does
=not appear to have a WYSIWYG mode for its editor.  Anyone have any
=suggestions?  Commercial is OK.
=
=
=>>---STUFF SNIPPED-|
=>>The OOo 1.1b debs are located here, if you are running sarge or
=>>sid:
=>>deb http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/ \
=>>   unstable main contrib
=>>
=>>However, OOo 1.1b only outputs pdf, and thus is unable to edit
=>>them.
=>>
=>>
=>I am hoping to find something similar to a HTML editor like  screem,
=>august,bluefish, ..something relatively easy to handle.
=>I want to be able ot select downloaded .pdf files edit
=>them and then upload or fax them.
=>
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bootcd program

[toovey1]

List:


 I am trying to use your program bootcd to create debian system fully
bootable from dvd.  After several hours of tweaking it passes all
tests without error.  I am using standard debian unstable kernel
2.4.21 with initrd.  After burning to DVD and attempting to boot I receive
"unable to mount root filesystem" and "cannot find ext3
filesystem"  and "cramfs - wrong magic."

 Should this be looking for an ext3 filesystem or a ram filesystem.  I
see it load the apropriate ide-cd module.

Brian Toovey
Zion Network Security
3223 NE 40th St
Ft Lauderdale, FL 33308



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emacs & spell checking broke

[Rodney D. Myers]

A quick question concerning emacs & spell checking.

I have emacs20/emacs21 installed, and aspell, aspell-bin, aspell-en, to
work with sylpheed.

Since aspell, evidently supersedes ispell, now emacs does not spell
check, complaining about not finding ispell.

What are my options to getting emacs to spell check again?

Thanks.

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Re: CUPS fails outside of Gimp. HP1200 LJ

[toovey1]

List:


 I am trying to use your program bootcd to create debian system fully
bootable from dvd.  After several hours of tweaking it passes all
tests without error.  I am using standard debian unstable kernel
2.4.21 with initrd.  After burning to DVD and attempting to boot I
receive "unable to mount root filesystem" and "cannot find ext3
filesystem"  and "cramfs - wrong magic."

 Should this be looking for an ext3 filesystem or a ram filesystem.  I
see it load the apropriate ide-cd module.

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Re: Win machine cannot print to a linux printer (cups)

[David Fokkema]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 08:05:17PM +0200, Joan Tur wrote:
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> Es Dissabte 16 Agost 2003 14:47, en David Fokkema va escriure:
> > On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:48:54PM +0200, Joan Tur wrote:
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> > > Hallo!
> > >
> > > I cannot print from a windows computer to a printer shared using cups.
> > > Security is set in samba to "user", user name & pwd are the same in both
> > > computers and the XP computer sees the printer and I'm able to add it.
> > >
> > > But when I try to print out a test page it says it hasn't been able to
> > > create the job.
> >
> > What is the exact error message and which program generated the error
> > message (your editor or XP printing subsystem)?
> It was the XP printing subsystem.  I opened printer's properties and tryed to 
> print a test page.  Error message was (originally spanish) "Test page not 
> printed.  Couldn't create printer job".

Good, then we might be able to fix it on the server side.

> > > The only logs on the linux computer are in /var/log/samba/log.nmbd:
> > > - ---
> > > [2003/08/15 17:30:52, 0]
> > > nmbd/nmbd_responserecordsdb.c:find_response_record(237)
> > >   find_response_record: response packet id 31530 received with no
> > > matching record.
> > > - ---
> >
> > Is this exact error message generated every time you send a job to the
> > printer?
> Yes.  There's also something logged in log.quinipt (the win computer name):
> - ---
> [2003/08/16 19:03:44, 0] smbd/service.c:make_connection(589)
>   quinipt (192.168.0.4) Can't change directory to /var/spool/cups (Permission 
> denied)
> - ---
> 
> It appears when starting XP... and I've tryed also changing that directory's 
> rights  8-?

This is even better, ;-)

> 
> > > And raw jobs are available in cups...
> >
> > What do you mean?
> Last time I set up samba on a mandrake computer I had to make available raw 
> printing (/etc/cups/mime.convs & mime.types) in order for the windows 
> computers to print  8-?

Interesting. I don't have raw printing enabled in woody cups. The _only_
thing I have done to make cups work with windows 98 (XP might behave
differently? I don't know) was to uncomment / change these lines in
/etc/samba/smb.conf:

[global]
printing = cups
printcap name = cups

I didn't have permission problems or anything like that. If you have
these lines already in your smb.conf, please try to print something from
your server instead of from a windows client. That way we can check if
the problem is related to cups or to samba. Just print a small text file
or something like that.

> > Also, have you tried not sending a test page, but just printing from,
> > say, Word?
> Yes.  It has shown me 2 different error messages:
> 1. "Couldn't call StartDocPrinter", trying to print a test page out
> 2. Using wordpad: "could not start printing"

Ok, then it must be XP <-> samba/cups, and not XP itself.

BTW, I cc-ed this to the list, maybe someone else has something to add.

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CUPS fails outside of Gimp. HP1200 LJ

[Kenward Vaughan]

My printer stopped printing yesterday and I can't figure out what happened
from debugging output from CUPS.  In most cases there is no apparent
indication of any problem.  What appears logged is cupsysd reporting seeing
a Trailer and EOF, and announcing that the job is complete.  The LaserJet
1200 light will blink for varying amounts of time during the attempted
print, but no output is generated.

The Gimp is the one app which succeeds.  All others tried (LyX, gnumeric,
Galeon, Opera, and most attempts at the console) produce no output.

The few times I see a logged problem noted are when I try different .ppd
files in etc/cups/ppd/ --one contained an error and was unreadable. 
Additionally, there is an occasional inability to read the classes.conf
file; I haven't defined any classes.

I have tried modifying the printer through localhost:631, deleting it and
recreating it, reconfiguring and reinstalling all cups* through
'dpkg-reconfigure' and 'apt-get --reinstall install' ...

The installed packages (all Sid) are 
cupsys   cupsys-bsd   cupsys-client   cupsys-driver-gimpprint
and there was no recent upgrade leading into this problem.

Does anyone have suggestions for me to try??  I'd like to purge the packages
and reinstall, but am uncertain how to do that while leaving all the
other dependent packages alone.  Or does 'apt-get --reinstall install'
overwrite existing files?

Are there helper apps (gs, for instance) which are known to be problematic?

Many thanks for any thoughts.

Cheers,


Kenward
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Re: Backporting debhelper

[Travis Crump]

Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 04:26:29PM +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote:

Mensaje escrito por Bob Proulx el 14/08/2003 1:54:

For my own backports I have been changing the debhelper version
dependency in the debian/control file to specify the woody version.  I
have not backported debhelper.  This process has worked pretty well so
far.


This will (obviously) break when packages actually use features that
were introduced with debhelper 4.  "dh_shlibs -s" is a notable example
of this, that hits a fair number of packages.

Wouldn't it be a bug in the package if it build-depended on debhelper 4, 
but didn't actually use any features not available in debhelper 3[in 
which case it should build-depend on debhelper 3]?[and I have debhelper 
4.1.52 and dh_shlibs isn't on my system...]


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Re: ISA network cards

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

jleclair (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Can anyone assist me installing a d-link 220 isa nic? The OS is woody,
> and the platform is intel 486. The install routine doesnt see the
> card. Have also tried a few modules but no auto-probing was
> successful. Guess I have been spoiled with PCI plug n play! A nod to a
> good link with documentation or whatever would be great. Thanks, James

The card seems to be supported by the ne module. If you want to use it
with plug and play, make sure the isa-pnp module is loaded first (I
think only kernel 2.4 has this). You can also specify the irq and i/o
values manually. And you can take a look at the isapnptools package.
And of course going to google.com or groups.google.com and searching
for something like "d-link 220 isa kernel module" will probably give
you some information.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: ISA network cards

[Kenward Vaughan]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 01:32:27PM -0300, jleclair wrote:
> 
> Can anyone assist me installing a d-link 220 isa nic? The OS is woody, and
> the platform is intel 486. The install routine doesnt see the card. Have
> also tried a few modules but no auto-probing was successful. Guess I have
> been spoiled with PCI plug n play! A nod to a good link with documentation
> or whatever would be great. 

Try the Ethernet HOWTO, section X.YY.Z.   

(Your line wrapping is non-existent, BTW. :-)


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xterms with invisible fonts...

[Bruno Boettcher]

Hello

in the meantime in managed to set up a somehow working X setup, there
are still some glichtes running around...

the xterm still shows white on white an empty screen, but there is a
shell in it... typing blindly and hoping, yields a result: the command respond, 
  even better: a cut&paste works!

the gnome terminals as gnome-terminal work fine, besides the very
annoying, and making them completely useless, fact that they do not support
dead-keys (european languages need iso-latin chars, often generated
through dead-keys)

i checked with xterm (typing blindly, calling an xterm, typing some
dead-key sequences, saving the file and opening the file in a
gnome-term) there the dead keys work... but on the gnome-term,
calling vim with isolatin chars yields strange results so i
suppose there is to set somewhere some charset default? but where??

also the fonts of the gnome term doesn't seem to know isolatin
chars? will this be solved by the misterious setting? or do i need
to install special fonts?

couldn't find it in the debian FAQ...

ciao
bboett


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Re: gpilotd / gnome-pilot issues

[karrottop]

Ok, I added myself to dialout, but being as I do not use ppp at all to
connect its a rather odd group to be added to...but I did already have
permissions set up so that I could access the device, Jpilot was
working.  I notice that lately it has been crashing almost always as
soon as I hit the sync button on the cradle.


On Sat, 2003-08-16 at 08:02, James Strandboge wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-08-16 at 04:56, karrottop wrote:
> > I do not even know what the dialout group is, when I start the gnome
> > applet for gpilot it crashes immediately, Checking I do only have
one
> > gpilotd running (with pgrep)  Thanks
> 
> adduser yourusername dialout
> 
> See 'man adduser'.  To make sure if you need to be in the dialout
group,
> do:
> 
> ls -l /dev/ttyUSB1
> 
> It should look something like:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ls -l /dev/ttyUSB1
> crw-rw1 root dialout  188,   1 Mar 14  2002 /dev/ttyUSB1
> 
> If not, do:
> 
> chgrp dialout /dev/ttyUSB1
> chmod 660 /dev/ttyUSB1
> 
> See 'man chgrp' and 'man chmod' for more info.
> 
> Jamie


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ISA network cards

[jleclair]

Can anyone assist me installing a d-link 220 isa nic? The OS is woody, and the 
platform is intel 486. The install routine doesnt see the card. Have also tried a few 
modules but no auto-probing was successful. Guess I have been spoiled with PCI plug n 
play! A nod to a good link with documentation or whatever would be great.
Thanks,
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Re: Backporting debhelper

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 04:26:29PM +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote:
> Mensaje escrito por Bob Proulx el 14/08/2003 1:54:
> >For my own backports I have been changing the debhelper version
> >dependency in the debian/control file to specify the woody version.  I
> >have not backported debhelper.  This process has worked pretty well so
> >far.

This will (obviously) break when packages actually use features that
were introduced with debhelper 4.  "dh_shlibs -s" is a notable example
of this, that hits a fair number of packages.

> Indeed that was what I was thinking to do if nobody answered my pray. I 
> hope it also works for me. :)

There's a backport of debhelper 4.1.56 available from here:

deb http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/BACKPORTS stable main 

> >Just curious, what programs are you trying to backport?
> 
> Well, indeed many of them. I am trying to backport sound applications
> only available in unstable to make them available for subscribers of
> my sound related mailing list that lack the
> spare-time/interest/bandwidth for upgrading to sid. Specially, I am
> thinking of ardour, one of those applications whose backporting seems
> a mess.

Make sure you check www.apt-get.org to see if someone else has done the
hard work for you :-)

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Re: Is there ANY .pdf format editor for Linux with a WYSIWYG GUI

[John Foster]

Carl Fink wrote:

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 09:59:32AM -0500, John Foster wrote:

 

I would be happy to find a way to download .pdf files & convert them to 
html...that way I could
   

Any special reason you can't just open them in , e.g. Acrobat Reader,
then Select All, Copy, and Paste into any editor you like?
 

Sorry, I should have mentioned that these are various types of FORMS 
that need to be filled
out and either faxed or mailed (US Postal). My goal is to be abel to 
fill them out using the
keyboard & mouse...if possible. When I tried to cut and past I get all 
of the .pdf encoding
as characters.
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Re: Is there ANY .pdf format editor for Linux with a WYSIWYG GUI

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 the mental interface of 
John Foster told:

> I want to locate an editor that will run on Linux that will handle .pdf 
> flie format. I really am only interested in one with a WYSIWYG  GUI 
> frontend. I just tried kile & it seeems to be partially there but does 
> not appear to have a WYSIWYG mode for its editor.  Anyone have any 
> suggestions?  Commercial is OK.

Whats about xv with a pdf module compiled in?

# unofficial xv source
deb-src http://debian.uni-essen.de/misc/local/ theo-phys local

For the patch:
http://www.trilon.com/xv/downloads.html#png-patch

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Re: EnsonIQ 1370, KDE, USB Mouse?

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

>I've been running Mandrake 9.1 on my desktop since it came out,
>then removed it and installed SuSE. Wanted to try Debian, did a
>clean install on Debian Stable last night.
> 
>Install went pretty well, the desktop is up, network works, X is
>configured. Question one is: how to I specify KDE as I preferred
>desktop? The first time I did startx, KDE opened up. After
>rebooting and starting X again, Gnome came up. I'd prefer KDE.

Systemwide: take a look at /etc/alternatives and the update-alternatives
utility. Try:
update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
Per user: use your .xsession to define your window manager or desktop

>Second question is, is there a FAQ on configuring sound? I have an
>EnsonIQ 1370 card (an older card, about 5 years old). It works in
>Mandrake and SuSE - so I know the trouble I'm running into is on my
>end. Do I have to install ALSA? Under tasksel, I selected desktop
>(well, I selected a TON of things, and figured I'd remove after
>getting familiar with the system).

What exactly does not work? Check if the driver module is loaded with
lsmod (I think you need the es1370 module). To load it automatically at
boottime, add the driver to your /etc/modules (either manually or using
modconf). If you use the 2.2 installation kernel (2.2.20-idepci), it is
possible that it does not include the driver you need. Check your
kernel config (you can find in /boot). The Option CONFIG_SOUND_ES1370
should be set to "y" or "m".

Additionally, add your user to the "audio" group, otherwise you will get
permission problems.

>Third question: I couldn't figure out how to configure a
>USB-attached mouse, so I just popped in a Microsoft PS/2
>Intellimouse. The Intellimouse works, but I'd prefer using the USB
>mouse if I can on Debian Stable.

You need to load the necessary drivers, among them
usb-uhci|usb-ohci|usb-ehci (depending on your USB controller), the hid
and mousedev drivers and maybe also the usbmouse module. And set XFree
to the correct input devices and protocol.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Fetchmail stuck on bad messages

[Pigeon]

On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 09:56:15PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 08:22:52PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote:
> > You know, I've been wondering about this for quite sometime.
> > 
> > What are the tradeoffs between these two scenarios?
> > 
> >fetchmail -> exim -> procmail
> > 
> >fetchmail -> procmail
> > 
> > There must be something that exim can/does do that procmail cannot?
> > 
> > What do you think?

There's another option, of course:

   fetchmail -> exim
   
...no procmail. I've never seen the need to use it. All I want to do
in the way of filtering, sorting, spam-tagging, stripping the adverts
out of yahoo list mail, etc, I can accomplish with exim's filter
facilities and the odd shell script, without using punctuation soup.
Given that not having procmail doesn't break stuff, but not having an
MTA does, I think this option deserves wider notice.   

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Re: Subscription attempt

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 05:15:14PM +0300, Ogulla, Alphonse wrote:
> Subscribed!
> Any ideas on how to take out the disclaimer attached to all outgoing mail by
> an exchange creature?
> Two dashes on the last line had a zero effect.

The proper signature seperator is two dashes and a space, then a new
line.  Look at mine below.

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Re: 'apt-get update' crashes

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 10:30:10PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 12:15:42AM -0400, Nathan Weston wrote:
> > I have both stable and unstable in my sources.list, for and for about
> > the last week, apt-get update keeps failing with the following error:
> > 
> > Reading Package Lists... Error!
> > E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room
> 
> Please search the archives or even google with your error messages prior
> to posting.  This has been covered several times in the archives and is
> easy to find with any search engine.

s/several/bazillions/.  This has settled down a bit lately (or maybe I'm
just mentally filtering it out), but this came up nearly every day at
one point.  Googling for "dynamic mmap" produces ~21 000, and at least
the first two dozen link to the question being answered on various
mailing lists.

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Re: bug in libc6

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 03:38:37PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 12:54:40PM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote:
> | Is it fair to assume that by the time this version of libc6 occurs
> | in a stable release, old commercial apps will run, or will they have
> | to be recompiled?
> 
> They'll need to be recompiled.  (asumming binary incompatibility is
> the cause of the problem)

If you need to continue running a old, old, commercial, proprietary app
that requires an old version of libc (or anything else, really), you can
install it into it's own little chroot containing whatever old libraries
you might need.  http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html explains
how.  It's also mentioned in the quick reference if people.d.o is still
down when you get this.

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gnome-core OR gnome-panel but not both??

[David Morse]

In Sarge:
"apt-get install gnome-panel" wants to uninstall
gnome-core, and vice versa.  And I need gnome-core as
a prerequisite for gnome-media, without which I get no
mixer applet (boo hoo).  Without gnome-panel, I get no
panels whatsoever, thus definately no mixer applet.

I'm something of a ninny with dependancies, how do I
get around this?

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EnsonIQ 1370, KDE, USB Mouse?

[griffisb]

Hey all,

   I've been running Mandrake 9.1 on my desktop since it came out, then removed it and 
installed SuSE. Wanted to try Debian, did a clean install on Debian Stable last night.

   Install went pretty well, the desktop is up, network works, X is configured. 
Question one is: how to I specify KDE as I preferred desktop? The first time I did 
startx, KDE opened up. After rebooting and starting X again, Gnome came up. I'd prefer 
KDE.

   Second question is, is there a FAQ on configuring sound? I have an EnsonIQ 1370 
card (an older card, about 5 years old). It works in Mandrake and SuSE - so I know the 
trouble I'm running into is on my end. Do I have to install ALSA? Under tasksel, I 
selected desktop (well, I selected a TON of things, and figured I'd remove after 
getting familiar with the system).

   Third question: I couldn't figure out how to configure a USB-attached mouse, so I 
just popped in a Microsoft PS/2 Intellimouse. The Intellimouse works, but I'd prefer 
using the USB mouse if I can on Debian Stable.

Thanks for any pointers,
BruceG


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Re: Lost /etc/init.d/mysql

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 12:38:23PM +0200, Friedrich-Daniel M?ller wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I accidently deleted my /etc/init.d/mysql from Woody. I didn't find a way to
> reinstall this one file. Could someone please be that nice and send it to me
> at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In future, you can either purge and reinstall the package (though all
the other config files for that package will be reset to defaults) or
reinstall the deb with "dpkg -i --force-confmiss foo.deb" (look in
/var/cache/apt/archives) to just get the missing config files back.

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Re: linux 2.4.21 on stable (was: Re: booting 2.4 kernel on old PC)

[Roberto Sanchez]

 --- Marco Franzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: 
> Hi,
> 
> > Would it be possible that the 2.4 kernel has dropped support for a
> > chipset that worked in in the 2.2 kernel?  Should I file a bug report?
> 
> Digging on kernel.org I found that this is likely a bug, which was
> fixed in the official kernel between 2.4.21pre1 and pre2.  So I want
> to try 2.4.21 on my stable system.
> 
> There is a debian image for 2.4.21 in testing, but not in stable.  In
> addition, the kernel image in testing (but not the source) requires
> newer versions of modutils and initrd-tools than are available in
> stable.
> 

2.4.21 runs just great on Woody.

> If I don't want to destabilise my stable system by mixing central
> packages, my best bet seems to be to fetch kernel-package and build
> the kernel-source-2.4.21 from testing on stable.
> 
What I did was just use wget to download the .deb package for the latest 2.4.21
source.  Then I just unpacked it and copied the .tar.gz into /usr/src.  I used
make-kpkg to build it and viola. Kernel with Debian patches, and everything is
great.

> Would I use kernel-package from stable for that and would that be able
> to build the kernel from testing?
> 

It will work fine from stable.

> Are modutils and initrd-tools likely to be an issue?
> 

Nope.

> Thanks a lot,
> Marco
> 

-Roberto

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Re: Hardware

[Rob Weir]

[Please don't top quote!  It makes your message harder to read,
especially in long threads.]

On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 02:36:28AM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote:
> Generally, anything that the Linux kernel supports, Debian supports.
> 
> However, SATA support last time I checked was non-existant in
> Linux/Debian. Blame the manufactures.

SATA support seems fairly good in the 2.6 test kernels, at least.
Silicon Image chipsets have been supported for a while, and Promise
recently GPL'd their drivers.

> As for ATi. Go with nVidia, same yourself the pain.

ATI is at least as well supported under Linux, AFAICT.  They even seem
to actually document their cards to some extent, something Nvidia has
refused to do for a very long time.

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Re: Named Pipes

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 06:24:09AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I wanted to use a named pipe to provide random images.  I know I can use 
> a program in a loop writing to the pipe, but that means starting the 
> program initially (from say a init.d or xdm startup script) where it 
> sits blocked until read from.
> 
> Question:
> 
> Is there a way in Linux to have the action of the reading program 
> opening the pipe (for reading) start up the writing program?
> 
> For example, if output_image.pl is a script that writes an image to a 
> named pipe, is there a way to associate it to a pipe where you can say:
> 
>$ display some_named_pipe
> 
> and have that action execute the program output_image.pl?
> 
> I'm just wondering if there's a way to avoid starting the writing 
> program.

I'm almost certain there isn't.  You could however do this with a
`translator' under the Hurd, I think.

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Re: [OT]: CVS replacement

[Rob Weir]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 02:57:45AM +0900, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 22:45:24 +1000, Rob Weir wrote:
> > I do, for a few things. I only discovered it after I'd been using
> > Subversion for a while, so perhaps I can provide some contrast to
> > the numerous svn-only users above.
> 
> Thanks for your message. Very instructive (I'm a Subversion user
> only). Offline commits is perhaps the feature I miss the most in
> Subversion (but this isn't much a problem, though).

This is a killer feature for me, but it's really just a side-effect of
using distributed branches.  I'm just commiting my changes on a branch
instead of Tom's mainline (/branches/rob/ or so in Subversion-speak);
the branch just happens to live on my local machine.

> [tla]
> > Another, perhaps less useful feature is symlink versioning.
> > Subversion (and CVS) don't have this, and it's not targeted for
> > pre-1.0, either.
> 
> Does it also support hardlinks (i.e. a file that has several
> positions in the repository)?

No.  What sort of support would you like?  Just restoring the hard
links, or smarter diffing or something more?

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Re: telnet localhost slow, telnet 127.0.0.1 ok

[RUPERT LEVENE]

Shyamal Prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Rupert" == RUPERT LEVENE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Rupert> Antony Gelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 12:25:16AM +0100,
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>> Running strace telnet localhost 22 shows that it's trying to
> >>> resolve the hostname localhost by querying the nameserver. I
> >>> thought that shouldn't happen with my setup, though.

> >> Does your /etc/host.conf contain order hosts,bind

> Rupert> Yes, it does. 

> I did not see the original post, but the other thing you must have is
> that /etc/hosts must resolve local host to 127.0.0.1 too

Yes, I have this. Here is another list of things I think could be
relevant.

Rupert

/etc/hosts
127.0.0.1 localhost
192.168.0.205 deb150desktop


/etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 192.168.0.1

/etc/hostname
deb150desktop

/etc/nsswitch.conf
# /etc/nsswitch.conf
#
# Example configuration of GNU Name Service Switch functionality.
# If you have the `glibc-doc' and `info' packages installed, try:
# `info libc "Name Service Switch"' for information about this file.

passwd: compat
group:  compat
shadow: compat

hosts:  files dns
networks:   files

protocols:  db files
services:   db files
ethers: db files
rpc:db files

netgroup:   nis

/etc/hosts.conf
order hosts,bind
multi on

deb150desktop:~# ifconfig
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:4F:4C:03:38:75  
  inet addr:192.168.0.205  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:29528 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:26981 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:13 txqueuelen:100 
  RX bytes:3027177 (2.8 MiB)  TX bytes:8676934 (8.2 MiB)
  Interrupt:11 Base address:0x300 

loLink encap:Local Loopback  
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3924  Metric:1
  RX packets:634 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:634 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
  RX bytes:224937 (219.6 KiB)  TX bytes:224937 (219.6 KiB)

deb150desktop:~# host localhost
localhost has address 127.0.0.1



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Re: Is there ANY .pdf format editor for Linux with a WYSIWYG GUI

[Carl Fink]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 09:59:32AM -0500, John Foster wrote:

> I would be happy to find a way to download .pdf files & convert them to 
> html...that way I could

Any special reason you can't just open them in , e.g. Acrobat Reader,
then Select All, Copy, and Paste into any editor you like?
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Re: Is there ANY .pdf format editor for Linux with a WYSIWYG GUI

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 09:59:32AM -0500, John Foster wrote:
>
> I would be happy to find a way to download .pdf files & convert them
> to html...

You mean, like say:

   pdftohtml - Translates pdf documents into html format
   
Description: Translates pdf documents into html format
 Translates pdf files into HTML or XML formates, combined with png
 images.  Supports encrypted pdf files.

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Re: Inspiron laptop, framebuffer console

[Kevin McKinley]

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:42:56 -0400
Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey folks-
> 
> I finally got a framebuffer console to actually WORK on my Inspiron
> 4100 with its GeForce2 GO under Sarge 2.4.21 by compiling with only
> VESA framebuffer and 16-color VGA framebuffer support in the kernel.
> 
> Now, though, the framebuffer works fine until the screen goes to sleep
> for a moment and then when it comes back on, it seems to think that
> the first line of the console is 3/4 of the way down the screen. I
> tried to `reset`, but that didn't change a thing. When I Ctrl-L to
> clear the display, the prompt goes right to that line 3/4 of the way
> down. It wraps around, though, when I do a long ls -al, it'll come
> back to the top and continue to draw down the screen.

That sounds like a BIOS problem. I saw it on an Inspiron 8000, when the BIOS
was upgraded past A17. Reverting to A17 fixed the problem.

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Re: kernel-package and grub

[Kevin McKinley]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:42:07 +0200
Engosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   1) Is there any way to update grub menu.lst when installing a kernel
>   package made by kernel-package (I mean as it does whith lilo)? 

http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#GRUB-KERNEL-PKG

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Re: getting dpkg's source code

[Shaul Karl]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 01:56:41AM -0700, Zhi Wen Huang wrote:
> I am wonder if I can get dpkg's source to install dpkg on RedHat.  I just need
> dpkg to try something small.
> 


  I believe you can get the tar ball and the .dsc file from any Debian
mirror under debian/pool/main/d/dpkg. I am not sure if you need the .dsc
at all.
  As for running it on RH, I wonder if this is as simple as you make it
sound. What about all the directories and data base that dpkg uses?
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Re: Is there ANY .pdf format editor for Linux with a WYSIWYG GUI

[John Foster]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 21:51, John Foster wrote:
 

Ron Johnson wrote:

   

On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 21:05, Bijan Soleymani wrote:

 

On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 08:43:24PM -0500, John Foster wrote:
  

   

I want to locate an editor that will run on Linux that will handle .pdf 
flie format. I really am only interested in one with a WYSIWYG  GUI 
frontend. I just tried kile & it seeems to be partially there but does 
not appear to have a WYSIWYG mode for its editor.  Anyone have any 
suggestions?  Commercial is OK.


 

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The OOo 1.1b debs are located here, if you are running sarge or
sid:
deb http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/ \
 unstable main contrib
However, OOo 1.1b only outputs pdf, and thus is unable to edit
them.
 

I am hoping to find something similar to a HTML editor like  screem, 
august,bluefish, ..something relatively easy to handle.
I want to be able ot select downloaded .pdf files edit 
them and then upload or fax them.
   

Is there even such a thing in the Windows world besides Acrobat?

 

Come to think of it I don't know of one...& they do not make Acrobat for 
Linux that I can find.
I would be happy to find a way to download .pdf files & convert them to 
html...that way I could
do what I need. Maybe Kile can do that..I'll look some more.
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Re: NVIDIA driver (nvidia-kernel-source)

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 11:53:13AM +0200, Engosh wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Michael Bonert wrote:
> 
> > I'm still having some problems and I think it lies somewhere with the
> > module configuration.
> > 
> > Screen capture from 'startx':
> > ---SNIP---
> > (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
> > Skipping
> > "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:debug_xform.o":  No
> > symbols found
> > Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o":  No
> > symbols
> > found
> > (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
> > (EE) No drivers available.
> > 
> > Fatal server error:
> > no screens found
> > 
> > XIO:  fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
> >   after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
> > -
> > 
> > 
> > I can see a nvidia module in /lib/modules:
> > /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.o

That's the kernel module, you also need the glx driver.  What does "dpkg
-l nvidia-glx" return?

> Do you have compiled the nvidia-glx?

This is no longer necessary a binary version is already provided in the
Debian archives (and causes some problems see bug #205274).

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Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

[Kevin McKinley]

On 13 Aug 2003 18:25:16 -0500
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 4. Proceed with installing the rest of the packages I need.  Of
>course, I have a list of such packages, since I make regular
>backups, including a "COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l > package.lis" and
>scp it to another machine.

I did that until I discovered "dpkg --get-selections > package.lis".

The recovery procedure is then "dpkg --set-selecttions < package.lis",
followed by "apt-get dselect-upgrade". It works *very* nicely.

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Re: Hardware

[David Fokkema]

On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 02:36:28AM +1200, Edward Murrell wrote:
> Generally, anything that the Linux kernel supports, Debian supports.
> 
> However, SATA support last time I checked was non-existant in
> Linux/Debian. Blame the manufactures.
> 
> As for ATi. Go with nVidia, same yourself the pain.

Now, wait. Why?

BTW, Henk is not on the list, so you might want to resend your mail to
him.

David

> On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 01:38, Henk Vuijk wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have to buy soon a new komputer and I wonder if Debian support:
> >  - the S-ATA standard for hard disks
> >  - are there drivers for Videocards with the ATI 9000 and 9200 chips
> > 
> > Sorry to bother you, but I cannot find a friendly list to check these
> > things and the HOW-TO's do not answer my questions.
> > 
> > Please write direct to me, because I am not subsribed to this
> > mailinglist.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > henk

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Re: kernel-package system: install a boot block using the existing/etc/lilo.conf?

[Kevin McKinley]

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:36:17 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Proulx) wrote:

> > A longer answer is that writing a new boot block with the existing
> > lilo.conf would simply re-write the current boot sector, which would
> > boot the old kernel.
> 
> Are we talking about the same question?  At the point that the
> question is asked if lilo should be run the new kernel is already
> installed, the symlinks pointing to it, and running lilo will set up
> the boot to go to the new kernel.
> 
> I guess it all depends on what is in your existing lilo.conf file.
> But if you are just doing the normal default Debian installed lilo.conf
> file it should be fine.

I don't normally use lilo -- I use grub instead, so before I released my
revision to the newbiedoc I installed the Woody base system on my trusty
Toshiba and used that installation to test my procedures.

When I got to the "install ... existing lilo.conf" question, if I answered
yes rebooting the system when the script finished would boot the old kernel.
Doing as I wrote would boot the new kernel.

 
> I have noticed a bug in the kernel-image*.postinst script which does
> not always get the /vmlinuz et al symlinks correct, leaving them
> pointing to the old kernel.  I tried debugging that problem but have
> not closed to root cause yet so I have not reported it yet.  I think
> perhaps it failed to update your symlinks when you had the failure.
> In that case you do need to correct the symlinks and run lilo again.
> I only see this when I am going forward and backward while hacking a
> new kernel.  It normally works when just moving forward.
> 
> > What you want to do is install a new boot block which refers to the new
> > kernel you just compiled.
> 
> Which should be the default.

I don't like the symlinks thing anyway -- I would prefer to refer to a
kernel by its full name (as grub does).

I agree though, that installing a new boot block referring to the new kernel
should be the default.
 
> P.S. Let me second the review that your 'newbiedoc' is excellent.

Thank you. If you can see ways to make it better please let me know.

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Re: Hardware

[Edward Murrell]

Generally, anything that the Linux kernel supports, Debian supports.

However, SATA support last time I checked was non-existant in
Linux/Debian. Blame the manufactures.

As for ATi. Go with nVidia, same yourself the pain.

Edward

On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 01:38, Henk Vuijk wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have to buy soon a new komputer and I wonder if Debian support:
>  - the S-ATA standard for hard disks
>  - are there drivers for Videocards with the ATI 9000 and 9200 chips
> 
> Sorry to bother you, but I cannot find a friendly list to check these
> things and the HOW-TO's do not answer my questions.
> 
> Please write direct to me, because I am not subsribed to this
> mailinglist.
> 
> Thanks,
> henk
> 


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dualboot xp debian with grub

[claus larsen]

hello.

I have 2 computers with windows XP and redhat, booted with grub.

I want to install debian on both machines, booted with the existing grub.

How do i do that?

Regards Claus

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Re: net install with eepro100 / 845G

[Kevin McKinley]

On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:45:53 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Proulx) wrote:

> The 2.4.18 bf24 kernel has the eepro100 driver build in.  The modular
> kernels need eepro100 in /etc/modules.  Or modprobe it manually and
> restart networking to avoid needing to reboot.

Perhaps you're thinking of another module, or another kernel. The bf2.4
kernel used by the Woodyr1 installer has an eepro100 module (eepro100 is not
built-in).

Just yesterday I built a Woodyr1 server which uses the eepro100 module.

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Hardware

[Henk Vuijk]

Hello,

I have to buy soon a new komputer and I wonder if Debian support:
 - the S-ATA standard for hard disks
 - are there drivers for Videocards with the ATI 9000 and 9200 chips

Sorry to bother you, but I cannot find a friendly list to check these
things and the HOW-TO's do not answer my questions.

Please write direct to me, because I am not subsribed to this
mailinglist.

Thanks,
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Re: Suggestion for Common Third Party Install system

[Edward Murrell]

On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 00:53, Nicos Gollan wrote:

> This sounds awfully like an extended version of stow. It'd be nice to
see 
> that.

Hmm, having looked up stow, I see what you mean. The only thing is that
stow, as far as I can tell, tries to do it for everything, which
apt/dpkg already does better. This is only for 3rd party stuff, and is
meant to provide ease of use to the end user.

Plus, once I've cleared up the details, I'll actually write some scripts
to make it happen.

Edward


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Re: apt-get dist-upgrade problem

[Edward Murrell]

Since they're not crucial packages (by crucial, I mean things like bash,
and init), I would suggest forcing the removal of all of them, and then
apt-get the new ones.

Edward

On Sat, 2003-08-16 at 23:21, ZekeVarg wrote:
> I just ran dist-upgrade on my sid-box and I got problems with:
> python2.3-glade2, python2.3-gnome2, python2.3-gtk2 & python2.3-pyorbit
> and got a suggestion to run #apt-get -f install to fix it.
> This is the output of #apt-get -f install after I accept the install of the above 
> packages.
> 
> (Reading database ... 121196 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking python2.3-gtk2 (from .../python2.3-gtk2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-gtk2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb 
> (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/pygtk-codegen-2.0', which is also in package 
> python2.2-gtk2
> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Brutet rör)
> Unpacking python2.3-pyorbit (from .../python2.3-pyorbit_1.99.6-3_i386.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-pyorbit_1.99.6-3_i386.deb 
> (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/pyorbit-2.pc', which is also in package 
> python2.2-pyorbit
> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Brutet rör)
> Unpacking python2.3-gnome2 (from .../python2.3-gnome2_1.99.16-4_i386.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-gnome2_1.99.16-4_i386.deb 
> (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/gnome-python-2.0.pc', which is also in 
> package python2.2-gnome2
> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Brutet rör)
> Unpacking python2.3-glade2 (from .../python2.3-glade2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-glade2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb 
> (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/defs/libglade.defs', which is also in 
> package python2.2-glade2
> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Brutet rör)
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-gtk2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-pyorbit_1.99.6-3_i386.deb
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-gnome2_1.99.16-4_i386.deb
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-glade2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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Re: telnet localhost slow, telnet 127.0.0.1 ok

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Rupert" == RUPERT LEVENE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Rupert> Antony Gelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 12:25:16AM +0100,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Running strace telnet localhost 22 shows that it's trying to
>>> resolve the hostname localhost by querying the nameserver. I
>>> thought that shouldn't happen with my setup, though.

>> Does your /etc/host.conf contain order hosts,bind

Rupert> Yes, it does. Sorry

I did not see the original post, but the other thing you must have is
that /etc/hosts must resolve local host to 127.0.0.1 too, along the
lines of

127.0.0.1   localhost

Make sure this is the *first line* that resolves localhost. If you've
checked /etc/host.conf you've probably done this too, but it never
hurts to ask.

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Named Pipes

[moseley]

I wanted to use a named pipe to provide random images.  I know I can use 
a program in a loop writing to the pipe, but that means starting the 
program initially (from say a init.d or xdm startup script) where it 
sits blocked until read from.

Question:

Is there a way in Linux to have the action of the reading program 
opening the pipe (for reading) start up the writing program?

For example, if output_image.pl is a script that writes an image to a 
named pipe, is there a way to associate it to a pipe where you can say:

   $ display some_named_pipe

and have that action execute the program output_image.pl?

I'm just wondering if there's a way to avoid starting the writing 
program.


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Re: Graphical units conversion program?

[John Hasler]

> I like unts. But I'm asking as my wife prefers GUI based programs on her
> Gnome desktop.

Units has a menu entry: selecting it should pop up an xterm with units
running in it.  It would be trivial to write a GTK front-end, but I don't
see much point in doing so.
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Re: Woody Stable Kernel

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Stephane (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Le Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:36:07 +0200
> Andreas Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a dit:
> 
>> Recent packages are not affected by the ptrace bug. This was
>> corrected with version
>> kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4_2.4.18-5woody1_i386.deb (DSA 311-1).
> 
> OK this sounds good to me. But I'm wondering something else now: the
> ptrace exploit was a severe security flaw, so how comes my 2.4.18bf2.4
> does not get upgraded when I apt-get update with the security source
> in my source-list ? 

Because the package management does not know of the install kernel.
Because normally you would instead install some kernel image built for
your architecture after installing the base system.

> And even why the last ISOs you grab of Woody R01
> do not have the right kernel ? Or am I all wrong ?

Simply because Woody R1 was released before the ptrace bug was known (or
at least before it was fixed). The security updates will be part of the
next revision.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Suggestion for Common Third Party Install system

[Nicos Gollan]

On Saturday 16 August 2003 14:48, Edward Murrell wrote:
> The 'Applications' folder is accessible from the users Control panel as
> a special directory, allowing write access with sudo and the root
> password. The folder itself would most likely sit in somewhere like
> /usr/local/Applications/. Thus, our application 'Foo', would be in
> /usr/local/Applications/Foo/. It's file structure would look something
> like this:
>
> /usr/local/Applications/Foo/
> /usr/local/Applications/Foo/icon.svg
> /usr/local/Applications/Foo/description.en.txt
> /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/linux/i686/usr/bin/foo
> /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/linux/i686/usr/lib/foo/libfoo.so
> /usr/local/Applications/Foo/install/etc/foo/foo.conf
> /usr/local/Applications/Foo/home/.foo/
>
> To install, symlinks from are made from /usr/bin/foo and /usr/lib/foo/
> and /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/linux/i686/usr/lib/foo/ to
> /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/linux/i686/usr/bin/foo, and to
> /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/usr/lib/foo/. A copy of
> /usr/local/Applications/Foo/install/etc/foo/foo.conf is made to /etc/,
> so that changes made to the configuration do not affect the original
> files of the program.

This sounds awfully like an extended version of stow. It'd be nice to see 
that.

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Re: Lost /etc/init.d/mysql

[Friedrich-Daniel Möller]

Thanx for the advice. It perfectly worked.


"Andreas Janssen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> You can also get the deb package, extract it to some dir with dpkg -x
> and copy the missing init script to /etc/init.d.
>
> best regards
> Andreas Janssen
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Suggestion for Common Third Party Install system

[Edward Murrell]

Recently, I have been working over strategies for Linux on the desktop.
In particular, I've been comparing usability of system administration
tasks to Windows 2K/XP and Mac OS X, the main contenders on the desktop.

System administration tasks are done by almost everybody who owns a
computer. It's not only things like applying security patch's, but
includes mundane tasks like cleaning out old files, changing the dial-up
number for your ISP, and installing and removing software.

The last point is a bit of contention under Linux. Sure, apt-get, urmpi,
and the like make it easy to get and install the latest open source
software from your favourite vendor, but they don't cover 'other'
software. Third party, and closed source software is somewhat more
difficult.

Third party applications are tricky. If a vendor wishes to support
Linux, they currently have two options - to include packages for all the
major distributions, or to roll their own install/uninstall system,
often in the form of a script. If the vendor takes the first option,
there are at least four major package formats to support (apt, rpm,
emerge, and slackware tgz), with multiple sub-versions of those. If the
vendor wishes to support more than just i386, or wishes to provide
native support for say, Itanium and Opteron CPUs as well, the number of
packages multiply even further.

The second option shifts the burden to the user. At first, it seems
reasonable enough. A piece of software installs, with it's own script,
probably into /usr/local/. A directory in /etc/, and files in the
various users /home/ directories are created. Maybe the script also has
the facility to clean up after itself. But where is this script kept?
Perhaps on the install CD, or in the /etc/ directory, or with the
program in /usr/local/application/, or was that
/usr/local/application/bin/ ?

At first glance, this doesn't seem like an insurmountable problem. Most
Linux or *nix software is open source, and files are kept nicely
controlled by the package manager. Just how many pieces of closed source
software could there be on a Linux system anyway?

A lot. Personally, I already have the following installed; Quake 3
Arena, Team Arena, Real Player, Adobe Acrobat Reader, Unreal Tournament
2003, Enemy Territory, Return to Castle Wolfenstein. If Adobe ever
releases Photoshop for Linux, I'll probably buy a copy of that as well.
Add a couple of things like VMWare, maybe WineX, a video production
package, and some random compiled from source packages, and it starts to
get out of control. All these programs have their own way of doing
things. I could drop everything into /usr/local/, delete it when I'm
done, and hope there's not too much cruft left lying around the system.

The problem is that there will be cruft left lying around the system,
and after a while, cruft builds up. Some of it possibly in horrible
places where it's going to affect other things. You could argue that
developers should release packages for your preferred distribution. You
could argue that they should release the source code, and that I
shouldn't install dodgy software that doesn't stick to /usr/local/ and
provide an uninstall script to remove the various files hanging around
/etc/ and my home directory. You could argue that end users should learn
to use /usr/local/, /opt/, and install/removal scripts. You could argue
a lot of things, but the world doesn't work like that. End users need a
system that allows their file manager to handle the install and removal
of third party applications without bothering them with the details.

One possibility, that I put forward here, is for a simple install and
uninstall system, based around symlinks, and a common applications
directory.

The application, to all outward appearances in most common file
browsers, would appear as a file, but it's really a directory. Let us
assume the application is called 'Foo'. Foo consists of binary files,
supporting libraries, icons, configuration files usually found in /etc/,
and so on. We can express most of these in terms of where they normally
fit in the unix file system. A few, mainly icons, and programs
shortcuts, vary from environment to environment.

The 'Applications' folder is accessible from the users Control panel as
a special directory, allowing write access with sudo and the root
password. The folder itself would most likely sit in somewhere like
/usr/local/Applications/. Thus, our application 'Foo', would be in
/usr/local/Applications/Foo/. It's file structure would look something
like this:

/usr/local/Applications/Foo/
/usr/local/Applications/Foo/icon.svg
/usr/local/Applications/Foo/description.en.txt
/usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/linux/i686/usr/bin/foo
/usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/linux/i686/usr/lib/foo/libfoo.so
/usr/local/Applications/Foo/install/etc/foo/foo.conf
/usr/local/Applications/Foo/home/.foo/

To install, symlinks from are made from /usr/bin/foo and /usr/lib/foo/
and /usr/local/Applications/Foo/tree/linux/i686/

Re: Win machine cannot print to a linux printer (cups)

[David Fokkema]

On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:48:54PM +0200, Joan Tur wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hallo!
> 
> I cannot print from a windows computer to a printer shared using cups.  
> Security is set in samba to "user", user name & pwd are the same in both 
> computers and the XP computer sees the printer and I'm able to add it.
> 
> But when I try to print out a test page it says it hasn't been able to create 
> the job.

What is the exact error message and which program generated the error
message (your editor or XP printing subsystem)?

> The only logs on the linux computer are in /var/log/samba/log.nmbd:
> - ---
> [2003/08/15 17:30:52, 0] 
> nmbd/nmbd_responserecordsdb.c:find_response_record(237)
>   find_response_record: response packet id 31530 received with no matching 
> record.
> - ---

Is this exact error message generated every time you send a job to the
printer?

> And raw jobs are available in cups...

What do you mean?

Also, have you tried not sending a test page, but just printing from,
say, Word?

David

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Re: Is there ANY .pdf format editor for Linux with a WYSIWYG GUI

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 22:21, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 21:05, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 08:43:24PM -0500, John Foster wrote:
> > > I want to locate an editor that will run on Linux that will handle .pdf 
> > jpeg or tiff, you edit jpeg or tiff directly (using the gimp). Doing
> > that isn't necessarily wrong, but in most cases it's too low level.
> 
> The OOo 1.1b debs are located here, if you are running sarge or
> sid:
> deb http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/ \
>unstable main contrib
> 
> However, OOo 1.1b only outputs pdf, and thus is unable to edit
> them.
Ummm, Ron...

Experimental also has OO.o 1.1b

# Experimental
deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main \
contrib non-free
deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main \
contrib non-free

apt-get install openoffice.org1.1 openoffice.org1.1-bin \
openoffice.org1.1-debian-files openoffice.org1.1-help-en \
openoffice.org1.1-l10n-en openoffice.org1.1-mimelnk

Current version: 1.1beta2-2

Just have to have the experimental lines in your sources.list.

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Re: Win machine cannot print to a linux printer (cups)

[Joan Tur]

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Es Dissabte 16 Agost 2003 01:21, en Bijan Soleymani va escriure:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 07:48:54PM +0200, Joan Tur wrote:
> > And raw jobs are available in cups...
>
> This might not help you with this problem, but...
>
> I had a winprinter with flaky windows drivers (hp 820cxi), so the
> solution I used was to set up the printer on a debian box using cups,
> and then have the windows computer output postscript. Adobe has a
> freeware generic postscript driver for windows. This works very very
> well.
Thanks for your answer.  But the problem are not the windows drivers (I've 
downloaded and tryed Adobe's); these windows computers were working using 
printer drivers for windows and printing to the cups server when it was 
working on mandrake  8-/

Wenever I try to send a job to the printer it says that it cannot create the 
print job.

Thanks  ;)

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Re: Lost /etc/init.d/mysql

[Andreas Janssen]

Hallo

Friedrich-Daniel Möller (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I accidently deleted my /etc/init.d/mysql from Woody. I didn't find a
> way to reinstall this one file. Could someone please be that nice and
> send it to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

You can also get the deb package, extract it to some dir with dpkg -x
and copy the missing init script to /etc/init.d.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Woody Stable Kernel

[Stephane]

Le Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:36:07 +0200
Andreas Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a dit:

> Recent packages are not affected by the ptrace bug. This was corrected
> with version kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4_2.4.18-5woody1_i386.deb (DSA
> 311-1). 

OK this sounds good to me. But I'm wondering something else now: the
ptrace exploit was a severe security flaw, so how comes my 2.4.18bf2.4 
does not get upgraded when I apt-get update with the security source in my
source-list ? And even why the last ISOs you grab of Woody R01 do not
have the right kernel ? Or am I all wrong ?

> 
> If you need drivers the precompiled kernels don't have, you can install
> the package kernel-source-2.4.18 and configure it on your own, if you
> want starting with the configuration of some existing kernel image.
> Configurations of installed kernel images are stored in /boot.

I see, I was making sure there was no other way to use those precompiled
kernels: they are handy but not usable all the time then. 

> 
> BTW, as far as I know, all 2.4.18 kernel images except for the bf
> package use initrd, so if you want to install it, don't forget to
> configure your bootloader to use the initrd.

Thanks for all the clear informations, I'll be careful with the initrd thingy :-)

Cheers
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Re: Remote Filesystem Administration

[Friedrich-Daniel Möller]

 

  "Todd Cole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im 
  Newsbeitrag news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  
  Newbie question,
   
  It would seem that the best way to 
  do this would be to remove the K20ssh script from /etc/rc1.d and replace it 
  with the S20ssh script from run level 2.  When I tried this, however, I 
  still lost my ssh connection and had to (shutter) reboot the machine via 
  power-cycle.
   
  Can someone give me a hand and 
  tell me what they are doing that accomplishes this safely?
   
  Hi Todd,
   
  checking a filesystem only works 
  if the device is not mounted. When you switch to runlevel 1 your ssh 
  connection will terminate and your root-device, which you probably want to 
  check, is still mounted. Seems like you need a bootable 
  cdrom/floppy.
   
  Best 
wishes

Re: Happy Birthday to Debian :-)

[David Fokkema]

On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 10:07:02AM +1200, Haralambos wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Ian,
> 
> you read this list @ all nowadays?
> 
> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/print/4959/
> 
> Thanx. :-)

Nice reading, ;-) Happy Birthday!

Many thanks to the community, :-)

> (I am on Red Hat 9.0 for now, as I suffered "Config Burn Out" after 
> upgrading to a nFarce2 based system. As soon as a Debian iso catches up, 
> I will be back)

Bummer!

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apt-get dist-upgrade problem

[ZekeVarg]

I just ran dist-upgrade on my sid-box and I got problems with:
python2.3-glade2, python2.3-gnome2, python2.3-gtk2 & python2.3-pyorbit
and got a suggestion to run #apt-get -f install to fix it.
This is the output of #apt-get -f install after I accept the install of the above 
packages.

(Reading database ... 121196 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking python2.3-gtk2 (from .../python2.3-gtk2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-gtk2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/pygtk-codegen-2.0', which is also in package 
python2.2-gtk2
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Brutet rör)
Unpacking python2.3-pyorbit (from .../python2.3-pyorbit_1.99.6-3_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-pyorbit_1.99.6-3_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/pyorbit-2.pc', which is also in package 
python2.2-pyorbit
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Brutet rör)
Unpacking python2.3-gnome2 (from .../python2.3-gnome2_1.99.16-4_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-gnome2_1.99.16-4_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/gnome-python-2.0.pc', which is also in 
package python2.2-gnome2
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Brutet rör)
Unpacking python2.3-glade2 (from .../python2.3-glade2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-glade2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/defs/libglade.defs', which is also in 
package python2.2-glade2
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Brutet rör)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-gtk2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-pyorbit_1.99.6-3_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-gnome2_1.99.16-4_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.3-glade2_1.99.17-3_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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Lost /etc/init.d/mysql

[Friedrich-Daniel Möller]

Hi Folks,

I accidently deleted my /etc/init.d/mysql from Woody. I didn't find a way to
reinstall this one file. Could someone please be that nice and send it to me
at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks in advance.



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Re: exim does not add domain to outgoing addresses...

[David Fokkema]

On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 11:02:35PM +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am running a exim on my host silverboxy. I have an alias file, which 
> contains e.g.
> 
> testmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> When I send now a mail to testmail, The To: field looks like
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> without any domain name, though dnsdomainname gives the right answer:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/www/photos$ dnsdomainname
> homelinux.org
> 
> Any clue, what could be wrong?

You might want to be a bit more precise. What is it that you want to do?
Forward every mail sent to testmail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do not
understand why you want to do such a thing, but in that case make sure
you have a user testmail added to your system and edit his .forward
file. For example, if you have:

\testmail
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

then the mail is stored in testmail's inbox _and_ it is forwarded to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], which actually _does_ make sense.

If you want to send a mail _from_ testmail this is a whole different
matter (already answered in a previous post).

You said:
> When I send now a mail to testmail, The To: field looks like
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Did you compose a mail in a MUA, and does that MUA say: To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Or did you send the mail _and_ picked it up in
testmail's inbox and _there_ it said To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a
whole different matter, of course. The behaviour you describe (in both
interpretations) is the default behaviour. Your mail is delivered
locally, so no domainname is necessary (of course, you _could_ tell exim
to _only_ use domainnames instead of hostnames, useful in a network).

David

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Re: Graphical units conversion program?

[stan]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 04:33:38PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Why would you want a graphical units program?  What would it so that
> 'units' doesn't do?  I'm not attacking you: as the maintainer of units I
> honestly want to know.

A valid question.

I like unts. But I'm asking as my wife prefers GUI based programs on her
Gnome desktop.

She uses mutt and vi, but for almos everything else, she preferes a GUI
version. Personael preference, I gues.

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Re: Anti-aliased fonts in galeon/mozilla/epiphany

[Nicos Gollan]

On Saturday 16 August 2003 05:11, Jeff Schwaber wrote:
> I'm trying to get rid of anti-aliased fonts in the various mozilla-based
> web browsers that come with gnome, and I've been pretty unsuccessful.
> There's a page for Mandrake describing how to set the minimum size for
> anti-aliasing in /usr/lib/mozilla/defaults/pref/unix.js but changing the
> size doesn't seem to do anything.

For Mozilla, you can set the property "font.FreeType2.enable" to "false", that 
should get rid of AA altogether. If you're setting this in the systemwide 
file, you'll have to make sure that it isn't overriden in your personal 
settings (~/.mozilla/profilename/*.slt/user.js).

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Re: telnet localhost slow, telnet 127.0.0.1 ok

[RUPERT LEVENE]

Antony Gelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2003 at 12:25:16AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> If I run telnet localhost 22 then I have to wait 15-30 seconds
>> before it connects; with telnet 127.0.0.1 22 it connects at once. I
>> have the same results using other open ports.
>> 
>> Running strace telnet localhost 22 shows that it's trying to
>> resolve the hostname localhost by querying the nameserver. I
>> thought that shouldn't happen with my setup, though.

> Does your /etc/host.conf contain
> order hosts,bind

Yes, it does. Sorry I forgot to include that file -- here it is.

order hosts,bind
multi on

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Re: exim does not add domain to outgoing addresses...

[Rainer Dorsch]

Am Freitag, 15. August 2003 23:39 schrieb Sven Clasen - Hacki:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 11:02:35PM +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am running a exim on my host silverboxy. I have an alias file, which
> > contains e.g.
> >
> > testmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > When I send now a mail to testmail, The To: field looks like
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > without any domain name, though dnsdomainname gives the right answer:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/www/photos$ dnsdomainname
> > homelinux.org
> >
> > Any clue, what could be wrong?
>
> you habe to edit your /etc/email-addresses for outgoing mails. the
> /etc/aliases is for incoming mails only. eg. "root: user" in the
> /etc/aliases would forward incoming mail for root to user. you have to
> put "yourusername: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" into the
> /etc/email-addresses

Actually it is an incoming mail, if I send a mail without any host 
specification. /etc/aliases is processed(see other mail)

Thanks,
Rainer

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Re: exim does not add domain to outgoing addresses...

[Rainer Dorsch]

Am Freitag, 15. August 2003 23:41 schrieb Sven Clasen - Hacki:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 11:02:35PM +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am running a exim on my host silverboxy. I have an alias file, which
> > contains e.g.
> >
> > testmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > When I send now a mail to testmail, The To: field looks like
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > without any domain name, though dnsdomainname gives the right answer:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/www/photos$ dnsdomainname
> > homelinux.org
> >
> > Any clue, what could be wrong?
>
> erm. sorry. i should read better before answering. i assume you would
> like to forward incoming mail for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is not possible using /etc/aliases.


Why not? The forward works. But if I add cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Fred say reply 
all, they he tries to send email to

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (which does not work) instead of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (which would work).

Thanks,
Rainer


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