Re: Roadrunner dial-up problem.

[David Palmer .]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:16:13 -0400
Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> David Palmer wrote:
> > /quote: I am trying to dial into RoadRunner dialup service.
> > They unfortunately only support Windows and won't help me with Linux.
> > My Thinkpad WinModem is working fine and I have tested it
> > by dialing up to other dialup ISP accounts./unquote.
> > 
> > Hello Andy,
> > 
> > Yes I had exactly the same problem with my ISP.
> > I sent them an email to the general effect that by refusing to support 
> > anything but windows applications they were dictating what their client base 
> > were permitted to have on their machines, besides adding to the market 
> > domination of an already over bloated monopoly. And by doing so, they were in 
> > all probability acting illegally.
> > IANAL, but it did the trick.
> > I received back what amounted to a three month free membership.
> > You are the market. They give you what you want, not the other way round.
> > If they don't, the web provides a massive audience, and you have the power to 
> > harm their future business in a very real way.
> > You can provide the proof of your personal integrity in the situation right 
> > from the sent file of your mail client. Email has had the same legal standing 
> > (court admissable evidence) as fax, in all of the westernised countries for 
> > some considerable years now.
> > Regards,
> > 
> > David.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Any chance you tried to get the dial-up information necessary to get Linux to 
> work?  Or were they just being pricks about the whole thing?
> 
> -- 
> Get forgiveness now -- tomorrow you may no longer feel guilty.


> 
I would have been quite happy with just the information, but initially I ran into a 
few that rigidly held to the company line.
I thought that service standard was pathetic.
What sort of training bill would be incurred showing staff (young though they may be) 
the basic set up for 95, 98, ME, 2000, and XP. They are all very similar, and up on a 
screen in front of the helpdesk staff.
As an amusing aside, after that all the closet on staff Linux freaks have come out 
into the open.
They got themselves a new tech manager. They started off with BSD on their server, 
then moved to one of the Linux Distros, then he came along and installed Win NT. 
Afraid of what he doesn't understand.
It got amusing when I wasn't getting some of my mail. I was forwarding 'postmaster' 
reject messages that online acquaintances were sending me at another address-invalid 
address, and similar- to them so that they could figure out what the problem was. The 
new manager didn't like it apparently when I mailed him advising that this was the 
last occasion on which I intended to provide support for a Microsoft application.
Regards,

David.


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ssh-agent not the mother of all my processes?

[Neo]

Hi all,

using debian woody close to a year, still learning every
day, and running more and more in more difficult to answer 
questions. Here are a few:

To propagate the ssh-agent values to all your processes
it is started as one of your first processes and all your other
processes are suposed to be started as a child of it. Yet when I
start a gnome-terminal and track its ancestry through 'ps -ef' I end
up with process 1 (easier to do with gps, though, but same result)
without encountering on the way my ssh-agent. Still the environment
has the ssh environment variables (SSH_AGENT_PID etc.) which work
perfectly. How does this happen? Can't I trust ps or what? Checking
with other *nix's (hpux and sunos) I get similar results. Trying to
figure this out, I couldn't find an obvious way to 'debug' my login
process. Is there any way to do a 'sh -x' on it?

Sincerely,

Jan.


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Re: Debian app to read some MS file format?

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 01:26:55 +0100, 
Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Latest developments:
> 
> Farnell have told me that the catalogue CD was produced by Stibo
>  - so I have written to them asking for
> suggestions on reading their catalogues under Linux, and also
> suggested that they should include a statically-linked Linux version
> of the catalogue reading software on such CDs.
> 
> The catalogue-creating software exists in a Solaris version, and
> Google seems to reveal several people from Stibo posting to Linux
> fora, so maybe there's a reasonable chance of a positive response.
> 

..how about tossing in http://damnsmalllinux.org/ into their iso?
Would offer a nice "multi purpose cross platform catalog cd".

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Re: security update broke X

[Robert Epprecht]

Robert Epprecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have made the security update on a woody box. Now my X seams broken:
> On the top of the screen there's a region showing garbage and the mouse
> can be moved, but the mouse keys do not work.

After a reboot evrything works again.  Strange!
This is Linux, not 'another' OS ;-)

BTW: I had *no* X running during the update.

Robert Epprecht


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all KDE app builds fail

[Andrew Schulman]

I upgraded to KDE 3.1.3, in Debian unstable.  This includes libqt3c102-mt
and all the related build packages: libqt3-mt-dev, kdelibs4-dev, and
libqt3-compat-headers.  I also upgraded my gcc to version 3.2.2.

Now whenever I try to build a KDE app from source (e.g. kgpg, kopete,
knowit), I get the infamous error message

# ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3

checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (library qt-mt) not
found. Please check your installation!
For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support!

But libqt-mt.so is present:

# ls -l /usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so*
lrwxr-xr-x1 root root   30 Sep 13 00:14 /usr/share/qt3/lib/
libqt-mt.so -> ../../../lib/libqt-mt.so.3.2.1
lrwxr-xr-x1 root root   30 Sep  5 18:18 /usr/share/qt3/lib/
libqt-mt.so.3 -> ../../../lib/libqt-mt.so.3.2.1
lrwxr-xr-x1 root root   30 Sep  5 18:18 /usr/share/qt3/lib/
libqt-mt.so.3.2 -> ../../../lib/libqt-mt.so.3.2.1
# ls -l /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.2.1
-rw-r--r--1 root root  6571312 Sep  3 13:18 /usr/lib/
libqt-mt.so.3.2.1

Here's the source of the failure from config.log:

configure:21754: rm -rf SunWS_cache; g++ -o conftest -Wnon-virtual-dtor
-Wno-long-long -Wundef -Wall -pedantic -W -Wpointer-arith
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wwrite-strings -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500
-D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new
-I/usr/share/qt3/include -I/usr/X11R6/include  -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT 
-D_REENTRANT  -L/usr/share/qt3/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib
  conftest.cc  -lqt-mt -lpng -lz -lm -ljpeg -ldl  -lXext -lX11 -lSM -lICE 
-lpthread 1>&5
/tmp/ccYZnuRb.o(.text+0xb): In function `main':
: undefined reference to `QString::null'
/tmp/ccYZnuRb.o(.text+0x10): In function `main':
: undefined reference to `QStyleFactory::create(QString const &)'

and so on.  There's a whole string of undefined references.  Since I
upgraded, all of my builds fail in exactly this way.

I've seen many people asking about this same problem in the newsgroups. 
Almost all of the responders advise adding some combination of

export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3
--with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3
--with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3
--with-qt-libs=/usr/lib/qt3

to the configure command.  Some of these have worked for me in the past, but
none of them do now.  Also note that -L/usr/share/qt3/lib and -I/usr/share
qt3/include are on the gcc command line, and the error messages complain
about missing references, not missing files.  So gcc is finding the files,
but they're not providing the right definitions.

Another common piece of advice is that the app source must be broken.  That
may be so for some apps, but can it be true for every KDE app that I build? 
They all fail, in exactly the same way.  And Google tells me that a lot of
other people are suffering from the same problem right now.

I'd be grateful to anyone who can help me solve this problem!
Andrew.


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New unofficial unofficial pine packages

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

I have updated my unofficial unofficial pine packages in response to some
security problems which have recently been discovered with pine.

A buffer overflow exists in the way unpatched versions of Pine prior to
4.57 handle the 'message/external-body' type. The Common Vulnerabilities
and Exposures project (cve.mitre.org/) has assigned the name CAN-2003-0720
to this issue.

An integer overflow exists in the Pine MIME header parsing in versions
prior to 4.57.  The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures project
(cve.mitre.org/) has assigned the name CAN-2003-0721 to this issue.

Both of these flaws could be exploited by a remote attacker sending a
carefully crafted email to the victim that will execute arbitrary code
when the email is opened using Pine.

You can find instructions for downloading my packages at
http://www.braincells.com/open/  If you are using an earlier version
please upgrade ASAP.

One change I had to make in this version was to use the internal static
c-client lib instead of the Debian package.  I don't think it will make
any difference but if you notice any weird problems, please let me know.

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security update broke X

[Robert Epprecht]

I have made the security update on a woody box. Now my X seams broken:
On the top of the screen there's a region showing garbage and the mouse
can be moved, but the mose keys do not work.

Is it only me?
Robert


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Re: ..chroot-installs onto RAID-1 disks ,was: Evolving Debian from Red Hat

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:31:38 -0400, 
Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 18:31, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > ..has anyone tried use these methods to intall to boxes 
> > with RAID-1 etc disks?:

..not to self; heed ESR's advice on asking smart;
I ofcourse meant software RAID but never said so.

> > http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall
> > http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html
>
> Yes... Just make sure you compile a 2.4.21+ kernel with proper
> controller drivers in it. Then reboot.
> 
> I use a seriously modified version of the twiki.iwethey.org one. I
> should update it...

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Re: Windows multiboot (aaargh!)

[cr]

On Thursday 11 September 2003 09:38, Pigeon wrote:

(preliminaries snipped)

OK, I'm aiming for 

> 1  Pri DOS500MB  Bootable; for DOS
> 2  Pri DOS600MB  ; for W95
> 3  Pri DOS600MB  ; for W98
> 4  Extended --> 5  DOS   500MB   ; DOS "optional"
> \-> 6  ext2  800MB   ; Linux

as you suggested. This is kind of a progress report with a heap of 
supplementary questions that have arisen.   If it all works maybe I should 
make a HOWTO out of it (since there seem to be a couple of points that the 
existing HOWTOs don't specifically cover).

> The selection between which Microsoft OS you want to boot involves a
> bit of kludgery to set up and a bit of kludgery to use. This is what
> I'd do:
>
> To set up:
>
> - Make a DOS boot floppy with FDISK and FORMAT on, and a Linux boot
>   floppy with cfdisk on.

I made the DOS floppy some time ago, with handy utilities plus MSCDEX and a 
generic CD driver.

The Linux boot floppy is a bit more tricky.I thought I'd better first 
delete the existing Linux partitons on the drive using cfdisk rather than DOS 
fdisk.   So I tried adding cfdisk to a spare Debian Woody boot floppy, but it 
got 'kernel panic' when run.Tried same with a RH boot floppy and it 
worked OK (I think the hard drive had RH7.3 on it, IIRC), but got 'kernel 
panic' when I used it after wiping the hard drive.Obviously Deb and RH 
boot floppies are just intended for booting the system on the hard drive.

I tried Googling for how to create a boot floppy, what I found was several 
rescue disks - Tomsrtbt, RIP and Leka - all of which downloaded quite nicely, 
installed themselves onto floppies exactly as per instructions, and work very 
well.   They all have fdisk (but not cfdisk).   I can recommend them to 
anyone reading this, as a useful tool to keep handy.But as they're so 
compressed I can't put anything extra on them.   I suppose I could put cfdisk 
on another floppy and run it from that after Toms/RIP/Leka are running 
in RAM.

> - Boot DOS, and partition /dev/hdc with one 500MB primary DOS
>   partition (for your DOS boot partition), no other partitions.
> - Boot Linux, and use cfdisk to change the partition type of that
>   partition to something DOS doesn't recognise.

As a matter of interest, fdisk doesn't have 'DOS' or 'ext2' in its list of 
filetypes - I assume 'FAT16' and 'Linux' are the equivalents.   

> - Boot DOS, and add a 600MB primary DOS partition for your Win95 boot
>   partition.
> - Boot Linux, and use cfdisk to change the partition type of the new
>   partition to something DOS doesn't recognise.
> - Boot DOS, and add a 600MB primary DOS partition for your Win98 boot
>   drive. (You can convert it to FAT32 later from within Win98.) Then
>   add an extended partition and create your "optional" 500MB DOS
>   partition inside it.
> - Boot Linux, and add your 800MB ext2 partition in the extended
>   partition. Then change the partition types of the first two
>   partitions back to primary DOS. Set the "bootable" flag on one of
>   them.

So far so good

> - Boot DOS, and FORMAT /U /S all the DOS partitions. 

Oops.  Unexpected problem.   What I had so far was:

 1  Pri DOS500MB  Bootable; for DOS  "Kludge1"
 2  Pri DOS600MB  ; for W95"Kludge2"
 3  Pri DOS600MB  ; for W98   "Kludge3"
 4  Extended --> 5  DOS   500MB   ; DOS "optional" "Kludge4"
 \-> 6  ext2  800MB   ; Linux

(The volume names are just arbitrary for ID purposes)

DOS formatted partition 1, and later 3 and 4, okay, but on partition 2 
it got 63% through then started "Trying to recover allocation unit 245xx" and 
counting... I let it count all the way to 33xxx before I hit Ctrl-C.

It  did exactly the same on a second attempt, same place. Of course DOS 
scandisk wouldn't work on that partition.So I used my floppy Linux fdisk 
to change it to ext2 and ran mke2fs and e2fsck -cnv   - which found 
nothing wrong.   (And the 3GB drive worked fine with RH7.3 on my previous 
install).   So I changed it back to DOS, ran DOS format again - same problem 
exactly. 

(Incidentally, as a mild curiosity, DOS fdisk now shows my drives as this:

C:   1 PRI DOSA   Kludge1  500FAT16
E:   2 PRI DOS Kludge3   602FAT16
F:   3 PRI DOS  602FAT16
  4EXT DOS1378

.. and  the extended partition shows up as 
D:  Kludge4500   FAT16

The odd thing is that fdisk shows the as-yet-unnamed Kludge2 and Kludge3 as 
*swapped*.   This is WRONG.'dir' says that drive F: is Kludge3, and E: 
just gives a "Invalid media type reading drive E"   - which is as it should 
be since I can't format it.
I suppose this is some odd consequence of the weird way DOS numbers 
partitions, but fdisk and  COMMAND.COM  obviously implement it differently.)

Anyway, the glitch that DOS hits (and Linux doesn't) appe

just get the changelog

[Dan Jacobson]

What is the URL these days to just get a changelog?
http://cgi.debian.org/cgi-bin/get-changelog?package=somepackage
doesn't work.  Aptitude's "C" won't work.  Is
http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/somepackage.html and then browsing
news items there the best one can do without downloading any extra
files in addition?


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Re: Open-source opportunuity?

[Pigeon]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 01:13:57AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:18:52 +0100, 
> Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 06:22:09AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > 
> > > ..I would think British Rail has _several_ uses for computers, 
> > > and not just the un-written RailGear.org train simulator,
> > 
> > It hasn't been British Rail since the early 90s when it was
> > privatised. We now have separate sets of organisations for operating
> > trains, providing rolling stock, and maintaining/expanding the
> > infrastructure. Network Rail, the organisation in question, is
> > responsible for the whole of the infrastructure apart from the
> > seven-mile Isle of Wight line. (The London Underground is
> > completely separate.) Network Rail is the replacement for Railtrack
> > which proved to be a high-capacity pipe for channelling taxpayers'
> > money into shareholders' pockets.
> > 
> > Network Rail has no responsibility for running trains, and has no use
> > for a train simulator of that nature. A couple of the train operating
> > companies use them for driver training though.
> 
> ..thanks for the update.  Join in, I feel we can use your 
> background knowledge.

I would love to. But I have too clear an idea of my own failings:
chronic vagueness, tendency to forget things, no sense of time, lack
of appreciation of / sympathy for business methods and styles of
thought. Externally, my internet connection is by metered dialup, and
I often do not have sufficient money to travel at short notice. I
feel that I would not be much of an asset.

On the other hand, I probably do know more about the current state of
the UK rail system than many people on this list - though I have no
professional connection; I live in the UK in a town with pretty good
rail services; I don't mind getting my hands dirty and I like to hack
away at a technical problem until it's solved.

I shall certainly subscribe to the mailing list that Shri is setting
up, and make whatever contribution I can.

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kernel-source-2.6.0-test-2

[Neal Lippman]

Has anyone been able to successfully use this package? I installed it
but make xconfig just dies with a million errors, all coming out of
scripts/kconfig/qconf.o.

For reference, I have installed libqt-dev, so I thought I would be good
to go

Debian version is testing, btw.

Thanks.
nl




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wierd printing problem

[Matt Price]

hi,

I have a usb printer (Brother HL-1440) at home which I share between
my laptop (HP Omnibook 4100) and my desktop (Apple Bue-and-White G3).
Since I usually only have one computer on at a time, the printer isn't
networked; instead I simply unplug it from one computer and throw it
into the other when I need it.

On the laptop (running debian sarge/sid) the printer works perfectly.
When I boot into MacOS 9.2 on the desktop, the printer once again
works perfectly.  But using debian Sid(PowerPC) on the desktop, I get
strange and unpredictable errors.  3 or 4 pages may print perfectly,
followed by half a page, a line or two of non-alphanumeric characters
(mostly smiley faces and playing-card suits like hearts, clubs,
spades...), then a page break, the next section of the page, more
garbage, and then maybe the rest of the page.  In some cases I can
pretty reliably count on particular pages to print poorly; in others
the errors are non-reproducible.

I've checked all the USB connections and they seem to work pretty
well; and as I said, the printer works perfectly when I boot into
MacOS. Using OpenOffice, I compared the .ps files prduced when
printing one particularly troublesome file.  The file produced on my
laptop (which works perfectly) was identical to the one produced on my
desktop.  Then I compared the /var/log/cups/error_log's on the two
machines -- the output was nearly identical, with slight version
differences in foomatic-rip and a couple of minor configuration
differences in the ppd's; I apt-got and edited the ppd's on the
desktop, but still to no avail.

Where should I look next?  I don't know how else to diagnose this issue.  

thanks as always,

matt


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Re: Windows multiboot (aaargh!)

[Pigeon]

On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 10:58:54PM +0200, Carel Fellinger wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 11:28:24PM +0100, Pigeon wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 10:30:06PM +0200, Carel Fellinger wrote:
> > > But nowadays I think that what's really needed is to take care that all
> > > windows partitions have there first sector(s?) cleaned prior to letting
> > > windows format those, as it seems that windows prefers the partitioning
> ,,,
> > This is true. This is one reason why it is better to use DOS FDISK to
> > create DOS/Windoze partitions - it wipes the first sector when you
> > create the partition.
> 
> True as this might be, it has the severe disadvantage of being stuck
> with DOS FDISK.  Maybe it's just my ignorance on windows things but
> somehow DOS FDISK always managed to ruin my carefull layed out
> partitioning.  Especially trying to change a partition table
> afterwards proved to be troublsome.

Well, the other thing about DOS FDISK is that it understands all the
nasty futzery between DOS and the BIOS and CHS translation. This
enables it to avoid problems like the MS bootloader not being able to
find the first sector of the partition, or the MS OS writing to areas
outside its partition, which can occur when using cfdisk to create MS
partitions on a blank (as in dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdx bs=512 count=1)
hard drive.

It seems that once a partition table has been created with DOS FDISK,
Linux cfdisk and its kin are smart enough to realise what's happened
(though some give strange warnings) and create their own partition
table entries along the same pattern. The safest method for a mixed-OS
drive seems to be to create the basic structure with DOS FDISK, then
tweak it and fill in the gaps with cfdisk. This is undeniably awkward;
the procedure I described earlier is an example of following this
principle as rigorously as possible.

I do always compile my kernels with CONFIG_PARTITION_ADVANCED=y and
CONFIG_MSDOS_PARTITION=y; I don't know if the stock Debian kernels
have these set, nor have I tried it without to see if disaster
ensues. :-)

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Re: Debian app to read some MS file format?

[Pigeon]

Latest developments:

Farnell have told me that the catalogue CD was produced by Stibo
 - so I have written to them asking for
suggestions on reading their catalogues under Linux, and also
suggested that they should include a statically-linked Linux version
of the catalogue reading software on such CDs.

The catalogue-creating software exists in a Solaris version, and
Google seems to reveal several people from Stibo posting to Linux
fora, so maybe there's a reasonable chance of a positive response.

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Boot time module configuration - stored in initrd.img?

[Neal Lippman]

I noted strange behavoir after installing linux-kernel-2.4.21-4.On
reboot, a host of modules that I had never selected with modconf were
installed. They were not in /etc/modules, however, so the kernel upgrade
had clearly not modified this file (although they did appear selected in
modconf - perhaps modconf determines what is installed by looking at
/proc/modules rather than /etc/modules?).

Anyway, "strings /boot/initrd.img-2.4.21" did show all of these modules
listing, making me think that these modules are hardcoded into the
initrd image.

If this is the case, then of course removing them with modconf will have
no effect on reboot time - so if I don't want all these modules, there
is no alternative but to compile my own kernel - or add a boot time
script to remove the unwanted modules, which is far less elegant.

Is this an accurate understanding of what is going on here?

Thanks.
nl




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Re: kernel config files

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 18:34, Tom Allison wrote:
> I think I have to build my own kernel because I have problems with my 
> motherboard.  When I turn on dma, the hard drive starts having errors like crazy.
> 
> lspci says this:
>   IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586/B/686A/B PIPC Bus Master IDE 
> (rev 06) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])
> 
> I'm pretty sure that's problematic.
> 
> IIRC the kernel-source is based on the kernel.org source.  I would like to be 
> able to capture the current configuration and patch-levels for the 
> kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 and make the one modification that I require, rather 
> than starting over from scratch and hoping I get it right the first time.
> 
> Is there some way to capture the .config file of my currently runing system.
Yes: /boot/config-2.4.18-1-k7

Then do the subwiki thing:

http://subwiki.honeypot.net/cgi-bin/view/Main/DebianKernelBuilding

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[Greg Folkert]

Yes... Just make sure you compile a 2.4.21+ kernel with proper
controller drivers in it. Then reboot.

I use a seriously modified version of the twiki.iwethey.org one. I
should update it...

On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 18:31, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> ..has anyone tried use these methods to intall to boxes 
> with RAID-1 etc disks?:
> http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall
> http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html
> 
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Re: Broken mail - Upgrade Exim3 to Exim4

[Steve Lamb]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:25:44 -0500 (CDT)
Russ Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can anyone offer things to check?

Make sure that debconf did it's job.  Check
/var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated and ensure no DEBCONF is in it.  The past
two installs for exim4 I had to manually comment out everything debconf
touched since it did absolutely no configuration on its own.

> I was hoping that the upgrade and config process would read and use the
> configuration from Exim3.

Nope.  This was the main sticking point on why exim4 wasn't just an
upgrade for exim3.  exim3 is the default MTA in Debian.  The configuration
file format (as well as options) don't translate directly so scriptng a
switchover would be rough.

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Re: Network device configuration

[Kenward Vaughan]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 04:26:44PM -0700, Philip Clark wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I have a laptop and want to use a docking station which has a 3com card
> in it. So I compiled the card driver into the kernel and added an entry 
> 
> /etc/modprobe.d/aliases 
> alias eth1 3c59x
> 
> Then I edited /etc/network/interfaces to the following:
> 
> # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
> auto lo
> iface lo inet loopback
> iface eth0 inet dhcp
> iface eth1 inet static
> address 134.79.89.47
> netmask 255.255.252.0
> gateway 134.79.91.1
> 
> However, when I try to restart networking or reboot then I get:
> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
> eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
> SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
> eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
> 
> However, if I change it to be eth0 then it works fine. Any ideas what I
> have done wrong.

It appears that you haven't had both cards probed during bootup.  The first
one (eth0 by default) will get noticed (as you found by switching the two
definitions), but the second is ignored.  Check out the ethernet-howto on
appending parameters to the kernel during bootup.  It's pretty
straightforward.

HTH,

Kenward
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Re: Broken mail - Upgrade Exim3 to Exim4

[Russ Cook]

Please disregard my request for help.  I ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
and paid closer attention to my responses and the prompts offered.
All now appears to run properly.  I'm a happy camper.

Regards,
   Russ

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Russ Cook wrote:

> I upgraded today from Exim3 to Exim4.  Now, fetchmail fails
> to pull my mail from my ISP.  I can send mail to myself
> locally from the console, and read it with Pine.  So, local
> delivery seems to be working.  I can send mail out from machine
> via my ISP, so outbound is working.  Can anyone offer things
> to check?  I was hoping that the upgrade and config process
> would read and use the configuration from Exim3.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Regards,
>Russ
>
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Re: bug tracking

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 04:02, csj wrote:
> I'm just curious about Debian's "bug" policy.
> 
> I know that some bugs aren't fixable (because either they're too
> expensive to fix or upstream thinks they're a "feature").  But
> how are bug reports resolved in the Debian bug system?  I just
> checked my favorite bug, and it's still under the heading
> "outstanding" rather than "resolved" and the program in question
> has had, IRC, two major releases.
> 
> I'm not asking that the bug be "solved".  I just want it
> "resolved".  Doesn't the bug report at least merit a "No, I won't
> fix it, unless somebody submits the code"?

Remember it's a Volunteer Organization devoted to thing that are fun to
do. If the bug is not a fun one... well some people just won't pay ANY
attention to it.
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Re: NFS share: cannot write

[Clive Menzies]

On (13/09/03 01:32), Joan Tur wrote:
> From: Joan Tur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: NFS share: cannot write
> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:32:50 +0200
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hallo!
> 
> I've set up an NFS share (server runs Woody), and I can mount it from the
> allowed computer, but I cannot write to it from the client  8-?
> 
> Here are the configs:
> Server:
> - -
> quiniserver:/# cat /etc/exports
> # /etc/exports: the access control list for filesystems which may be exported
> #   to NFS clients.  See exports(5).
> /Dades quinipt(rw)
> - -
> 
> Client (from /etc/fstab):
> - -
> quiniserver:/Dades  /Dades  nfs rw,hard,intr0 0
> - -
> 
> No idea on what's going on  8-/


You need to set up access by IP address within /etc/hosts.allow
and /etc/hosts.deny

There is quite a good nfs HOWTO within the Debian docs on your system
which explains how to set it up.
On my system it's at:
file:/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/NFS-HOWTO.gz

HTH

Clive


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Re: unable to rename a folder

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 04:47:35PM -0700, Dweeil Brock wrote:
> trying to rename a folder and recieve the following error message:
> 
> Bare word "foldername" not allowed while "strict subs" in use

Don't use 'rename' to move a single directory; use 'mv'. See 'man
rename' for what it does.

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Broken mail - Upgrade Exim3 to Exim4

[Russ Cook]

I upgraded today from Exim3 to Exim4.  Now, fetchmail fails
to pull my mail from my ISP.  I can send mail to myself
locally from the console, and read it with Pine.  So, local
delivery seems to be working.  I can send mail out from machine
via my ISP, so outbound is working.  Can anyone offer things
to check?  I was hoping that the upgrade and config process
would read and use the configuration from Exim3.

Thanks for any help.

Regards,
   Russ


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Re: kernel config files

[Tom Allison]

Travis Crump wrote:
Tom Allison wrote:

Is there some way to capture the .config file of my currently runing 
system.


/boot/config-`uname -r` has the config of the running kernel.
As it turns out I don't need to build a new kernel or do I?

I thought I had to build a new kernel in order to load up the via82cxxx 
module so that I could use DMA on my hard drives.

But it seems that it's already loaded as a module:

via82cxxx  10696   1  (autoclean)
ide-core   97656   4  (autoclean) [usb-storage ide-scsi 
ide-detect via82cxxx trm290 triflex slc90e66 sis5513 siimage serverworks 
sc1200 rz1000 piix pdc202xx_old opti621 ns87415 hpt366 ide-disk hpt34x 
generic cy82c693 cs5530 cmd64x cmd640 amd74xx alim15x3 aec62xx adma100 
pdc202xx_new]

However, it doesn't work at all.  I tried turning on DMA and the system went 
to pieces in seconds.
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Re: Roadrunner dial-up problem.

[Tom Allison]

David Palmer wrote:
/quote: I am trying to dial into RoadRunner dialup service.
They unfortunately only support Windows and won't help me with Linux.
My Thinkpad WinModem is working fine and I have tested it
by dialing up to other dialup ISP accounts./unquote.
Hello Andy,

Yes I had exactly the same problem with my ISP.
I sent them an email to the general effect that by refusing to support 
anything but windows applications they were dictating what their client base 
were permitted to have on their machines, besides adding to the market 
domination of an already over bloated monopoly. And by doing so, they were in 
all probability acting illegally.
IANAL, but it did the trick.
I received back what amounted to a three month free membership.
You are the market. They give you what you want, not the other way round.
If they don't, the web provides a massive audience, and you have the power to 
harm their future business in a very real way.
You can provide the proof of your personal integrity in the situation right 
from the sent file of your mail client. Email has had the same legal standing 
(court admissable evidence) as fax, in all of the westernised countries for 
some considerable years now.
Regards,

David.


Any chance you tried to get the dial-up information necessary to get Linux to 
work?  Or were they just being pricks about the whole thing?

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unable to rename a folder

[Dweeil Brock]

trying to rename a folder and recieve the following error message:

Bare word "foldername" not allowed while "strict subs" in use

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Network device configuration

[Philip Clark]

Hi Everyone,

I have a laptop and want to use a docking station which has a 3com card
in it. So I compiled the card driver into the kernel and added an entry 

/etc/modprobe.d/aliases 
alias eth1 3c59x

Then I edited /etc/network/interfaces to the following:

# /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8)
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
iface eth0 inet dhcp
iface eth1 inet static
address 134.79.89.47
netmask 255.255.252.0
gateway 134.79.91.1

However, when I try to restart networking or reboot then I get:
SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device

However, if I change it to be eth0 then it works fine. Any ideas what I
have done wrong.

Thanks for any help!

-Phil


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NFS share: cannot write

[Joan Tur]

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Hash: SHA1

Hallo!

I've set up an NFS share (server runs Woody), and I can mount it from the
allowed computer, but I cannot write to it from the client  8-?

Here are the configs:
Server:
- -
quiniserver:/# cat /etc/exports
# /etc/exports: the access control list for filesystems which may be exported
#   to NFS clients.  See exports(5).
/Dades quinipt(rw)
- -

Client (from /etc/fstab):
- -
quiniserver:/Dades  /Dades  nfs rw,hard,intr0 0
- -

No idea on what's going on  8-/

Thanks !!  ;)
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Roadrunner dial-up problem.

[David Palmer]

/quote: I am trying to dial into RoadRunner dialup service.
They unfortunately only support Windows and won't help me with Linux.
My Thinkpad WinModem is working fine and I have tested it
by dialing up to other dialup ISP accounts./unquote.

Hello Andy,

Yes I had exactly the same problem with my ISP.
I sent them an email to the general effect that by refusing to support 
anything but windows applications they were dictating what their client base 
were permitted to have on their machines, besides adding to the market 
domination of an already over bloated monopoly. And by doing so, they were in 
all probability acting illegally.
IANAL, but it did the trick.
I received back what amounted to a three month free membership.
You are the market. They give you what you want, not the other way round.
If they don't, the web provides a massive audience, and you have the power to 
harm their future business in a very real way.
You can provide the proof of your personal integrity in the situation right 
from the sent file of your mail client. Email has had the same legal standing 
(court admissable evidence) as fax, in all of the westernised countries for 
some considerable years now.
Regards,

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Re: Mysql question.

[D. Clarke]

connect failed...

make sure the server is running...

if it is that means it's not listening on tcp/ip;

you can enable it by commenting in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
# skip-networking
with that uncommented mysql only listens on a local unix socket

and of course, restart the daemon when you change that option.

Mark Maas wrote:

All,
 
I'm trying to install: http://www.moregroupware.org/
On this page: http://www.moregroupware.org/manual/en/setup_linux_long.html
 
It tells me to add a database with the command: "mysqladmin -u root -p 
create moregroupware"
 
After which mysql reports:
 

menem:/home/mark# mysqladmin -u root -p create moregroupware
Enter password:
mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
error: 'Access denied for user: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
 (Using password: YES)'
menem:/home/mark#
So that's the point where I get stuck.
 
If anyone can point me in the right direction, then thanks!
 
Mark


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Re: kernel config files

[Tom Allison]

Travis Crump wrote:
Tom Allison wrote:

Is there some way to capture the .config file of my currently runing 
system.


/boot/config-`uname -r` has the config of the running kernel.
So I can copy this to /usr/src/linux/.config and I'm off to the races?

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Re: kernel config files

[Travis Crump]

Tom Allison wrote:
Is there some way to capture the .config file of my currently runing 
system.
/boot/config-`uname -r` has the config of the running kernel.


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Re: icewmbg and recent unstable updates.

[Hanspeter Roth]

  On Sep 12 at 09:00, Mike Dresser spoke:

> On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Mike Dresser wrote:
> 
> > I'll try running icewm-session instead of icewm right now, I'm surprised
> > that icewmbg didn't work out of .xsession, when it used to.

I don't like that the entry program has changed it's name. What now
has become `icewm-session' should still be `icewm' and the old icewm
should have another name.

> Still doesn't work when calling icewm-session, the background problem was
> reported in #208156.

Hm, I don't have access to #208156. I guess it's the number of the
bug report.

If you are talking about failing to draw the background on startup
it has probably been fixed in 1.2.13pre2.

> Oddly enough, if i manually run icewm-session once IceWM is up, it loads
> my background.

In my opinion icewm-session is still buggy. It doesn't terminate
the other processes when it gets terminated.

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Re: how to get a silent harddisk?

[Tom Allison]

Jacob Anawalt wrote:
Michael D Schleif said:

Jacob Anawalt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:09:11:17:54:01-0600] scribed:

I am interested in following this thread. I would like to set up a
similar
computer, with as few fans and spinning drives (zero would be ideal) as
possible while staying inexpensive and low-power.
You maybe interested in this URL:

  

Thanks for the link. Looks like a good collection of low noise components.
I'll keep that in mind for the future system.

FWIW I just switched out a Zalman 80mm fan for a papst 80mm fan.

The difference in sound level is significant.
However, it seems to have slightly less draw.
I didn't spend much time with it, but I was impressed.
They run typically $20 and are rated at 12dBa.
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kernel config files

[Tom Allison]

I think I have to build my own kernel because I have problems with my 
motherboard.  When I turn on dma, the hard drive starts having errors like crazy.

lspci says this:
 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586/B/686A/B PIPC Bus Master IDE 
(rev 06) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP])

I'm pretty sure that's problematic.

IIRC the kernel-source is based on the kernel.org source.  I would like to be 
able to capture the current configuration and patch-levels for the 
kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 and make the one modification that I require, rather 
than starting over from scratch and hoping I get it right the first time.

Is there some way to capture the .config file of my currently runing system.
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Re: how to get a silent harddisk?

[Tom Allison]

Jacob Anawalt wrote:
Tom Allison said:

Jacob Anawalt wrote:

Joachim Förster said:


Does anybody know, why squid uses the harddisk although its (empty disk
cache, logs and other status files are on the tmpfs)?
I don't know why it uses the hard disk, but if it is only reading those
files and there is enough memory that they are cached in the kernel file
cache, then perhaps the atime is being updated and that is causing the
disk to spin up?
Are you mounting with the noatime option?

Maybe there's another http proxy that doesn't require any disk access?

I am interested in following this thread. I would like to set up a
similar
computer, with as few fans and spinning drives (zero would be ideal) as
possible while staying inexpensive and low-power.
For starters, consider via's eden PC's.  Most of them are fanless.
Then look at the hard drives that are out their with Fluid Bearings.
Seagate is one, I think there a japanese company (Fujitsu or something)
that
also has very low noise hard drives.
If you are rich and demanding, get a Solid State Hard Drive.


Well, I don't qualify in the first category (at least enough to justify
solid state hard drives) and I try not to be demanding. :)
The via eden PC's look promising. I've been looking at them for a while. I
had looked into PC104 a couple of years ago, but I've decided I'm not
really interested in going that route. Maybe some day.
I need to qualify my "zero would be ideal" statement. I would like it to
be silent when not in use*. When in use I am fine with hard disk noise.
The Seagate or other fluid bearing/quite drives would be very nice when
the system is being used, but still my hope is to not be spinning them all
night long, no matter how quiet they are.
For me, squid disk access while someone on my internal network is using
the proxy is not an issue. If squid were spinning up the drive when
'nothing'* is happening, calling sync()/fsync() for some odd reason then
that would be annoying. I'm running a gateway w/ squid right now, but I
haven't tried to stop the disk from spinning when squid is running.
I am unclear from Joachim's email if Squid is spinning up the disk all the
time for him, every x seconds, or only when the proxy is being used. If
it's only the latter then for my needs that's OK.
If you have ext3 or any other journaling filesystem in place, then I do not 
believe you can get it to ever stop spinning.  I tried this on my notebook 
and it was driving me crazy.

You need to be using ext2 for the file system on the hard drives.

If squid is running and no one is accessing it I would think it would be 
quiet, but I haven't looked into it.

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[Arnt Karlsen]

Hi,

..has anyone tried use these methods to intall to boxes 
with RAID-1 etc disks?:
http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall
http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html

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Road Runner dialup problem using pppconfig

[Andy Firman]

I am trying to dial into RoadRunner dialup service.
They unfortunately only support Windows and won't help me with Linux.
My Thinkpad WinModem is working fine and I have tested it
by dialing up to other dialup ISP accounts.

RR might be doing some proprietary things now that they
have been assimilated into the TimeWarner/AOL Mega Corp.

By looking into how it works on Windows, I see that CHAP
is being used for authentication.  I also see that this 
script (pasted below) is used in the "Interactive Login and Scripting" 
section of the Windows RR Dialup setting.

I am wondering if anyone can help me use this script in 
any way so I can connect with my Thinkpad using Debian Testing.
I am using pppconfig with the pon and poff commands.
It looks like RR uses several different providers for nationwide
dialup access. 

Syslog tells me this:
pppd[9271]: rcvd [CHAP Failure id=0x2 ""]
pppd[9271]: CHAP authentication failed
pppd[9271]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Failed to authenticate ourselves to peer"]

How can I incorporate this script below using pppconfig?

Thanks,
Andy
ps.  I am not a programmer in any way but can do simple bash scripts.



---BEGIN THE RR SCRIPT--
;
; This is a script file that demonstrates how
; to establish a PPP connection to Road Runner Dial Access network
; DO NOT edit this script yourself
; Version 1.1.2
; February 8, 2002 - NT
;

proc main

string prefix = "aolnet/ent."

waitfor
"ANSNet"then DoANSNetLogin,
"Sprint-IP" then DoSprintLogin,
"UU.Net"then DoUUNetLogin,
"UQKT1" then DoANSNetLogin,
"UQKT2" then DoSprintLogin,
"Saturn.BBN"then DoUUNetLogin
until 20

DoANSNetLogin:
waitfor "login"  until 20
if $SUCCESS then
transmit prefix + $USERID, raw
transmit "^M"
goto DONE
endif

DoUUNetLogin:
waitfor "login" until 20
if $SUCCESS then
transmit prefix + $USERID, raw
transmit "^M"

waitfor "Password"
transmit $PASSWORD
transmit "^M"   
goto DONE
endif


DoSprintLogin:
waitfor
"Login" then DoSprintConnect,
"Username"  then DoSprintConnect
until 20

DoSprintConnect:
transmit prefix + $USERID, raw
transmit "^M"

waitfor "Password"
transmit $PASSWORD
transmit "^M"

waitfor "Network User"  until 5
if $SUCCESS then
transmit "PPP"
transmit "^M"
endif
goto DONE

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delay 2

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Re: how to get a silent harddisk?

[Jacob Anawalt]

Michael D Schleif said:
> Jacob Anawalt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:09:11:17:54:01-0600] scribed:
> 
>
>> I am interested in following this thread. I would like to set up a
>> similar
>> computer, with as few fans and spinning drives (zero would be ideal) as
>> possible while staying inexpensive and low-power.
>
> You maybe interested in this URL:
>
>
>

Thanks for the link. Looks like a good collection of low noise components.
I'll keep that in mind for the future system.


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Mysql question.

[Mark Maas]

All,
 
I'm trying to install: http://www.moregroupware.org/
On this page: http://www.moregroupware.org/manual/en/setup_linux_long.html
 
It tells me to add a database with the command: 
"mysqladmin -u root -p create moregroupware"
 
After which mysql reports:
 

  menem:/home/mark# mysqladmin -u root -p create moregroupwareEnter 
  password:mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failederror: 
  'Access denied for user: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (Using password: 
  YES)'menem:/home/mark#
So that's the 
point where I get stuck.
 
If anyone can 
point me in the right direction, then thanks!
 
Mark

Re: how to get a silent harddisk?

[Michael D Schleif]

Jacob Anawalt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:09:11:17:54:01-0600] scribed:


> I am interested in following this thread. I would like to set up a similar
> computer, with as few fans and spinning drives (zero would be ideal) as
> possible while staying inexpensive and low-power.

You maybe interested in this URL:

   

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Re: Evolving Debian from Red Hat

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:05:19PM +0530, George Abraham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Can apt-get and deb package management system be installed in a Red hat 
> machine?. I am thinking about the possiblity of evolving a GNU/Debian 
> system from a Red Hat system. Is it possible?. Pardon me if I am wrong 
> and ignorant.

It's not clear what you're asking:

  - Can DEBs be used on RPM systems?  Yes, with some pain to install
alien, though your dependencies may get wedged.

  - Can RPM and APT coexist on the same system?  If designed that way,
yes, but you want Connectiva.  If you're trying to use a RH system
with Debian packages managed through APT, you're asking for trouble.
In general, the commandment is:  Thou shalt not mix and match
package managers.

  - If you're asking whether or not RH can serve as a Debian installer,
yes, this is one of the few tasks I've found that it does relatively
well.  Osamu's already pointed you at one set of docs (specifically
a _remote_ chroot install).  I've used this method successfully,
see:

http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall

The difference between this method and the method described in
"3.7 Installing Debian GNU/GNU/Linux from a Unix/GNU/Linux System"
and my method is use of debootstrap (the Installation Manual method)
vs. a Potato base2_2.tar.gz image.  Both methods get you to the same
end result.

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Re: how to get a silent harddisk?

[Jacob Anawalt]

Tom Allison said:
> Jacob Anawalt wrote:
>> Joachim Förster said:
>>
>>>Does anybody know, why squid uses the harddisk although its (empty disk
>>>cache, logs and other status files are on the tmpfs)?
>>>
>> I don't know why it uses the hard disk, but if it is only reading those
>> files and there is enough memory that they are cached in the kernel file
>> cache, then perhaps the atime is being updated and that is causing the
>> disk to spin up?
>>
>> Are you mounting with the noatime option?
>>
>> Maybe there's another http proxy that doesn't require any disk access?
>>
>> I am interested in following this thread. I would like to set up a
>> similar
>> computer, with as few fans and spinning drives (zero would be ideal) as
>> possible while staying inexpensive and low-power.
>>
>
> For starters, consider via's eden PC's.  Most of them are fanless.
> Then look at the hard drives that are out their with Fluid Bearings.
> Seagate is one, I think there a japanese company (Fujitsu or something)
> that
> also has very low noise hard drives.
>
> If you are rich and demanding, get a Solid State Hard Drive.

Well, I don't qualify in the first category (at least enough to justify
solid state hard drives) and I try not to be demanding. :)

The via eden PC's look promising. I've been looking at them for a while. I
had looked into PC104 a couple of years ago, but I've decided I'm not
really interested in going that route. Maybe some day.

I need to qualify my "zero would be ideal" statement. I would like it to
be silent when not in use*. When in use I am fine with hard disk noise.
The Seagate or other fluid bearing/quite drives would be very nice when
the system is being used, but still my hope is to not be spinning them all
night long, no matter how quiet they are.

For me, squid disk access while someone on my internal network is using
the proxy is not an issue. If squid were spinning up the drive when
'nothing'* is happening, calling sync()/fsync() for some odd reason then
that would be annoying. I'm running a gateway w/ squid right now, but I
haven't tried to stop the disk from spinning when squid is running.

I am unclear from Joachim's email if Squid is spinning up the disk all the
time for him, every x seconds, or only when the proxy is being used. If
it's only the latter then for my needs that's OK.

It still seems odd if writes are spinning up the drive with the read only
setting. Maybe some file squid wants to read keeps being dropped from file
cache between accesses because other programs or more frequently accessed
files are using all the memory? (Ie, because squid is set to use XMb in
memory, is there still enough free memory to cache all the files squid
wants to read. Add to that all other running program's requirements.)

If I just wanted quiet a firewall and router, I'd go with some netgear
router or similar device. The LRP (www.linuxrouter.org) seemed to be
moving towards doing basically what these ~ $50.00 (U.S.) devices do. It's
a 'Debian based' distro, but didn't have support for squid documented on
the site. Joachim, you could try LRP, but load everything into memory from
your hd instead of from a floppy.

I want a full-fledged x86 'standard hardware' Debian system that I can
access via ssh, http(s) and that will provide firewalling, port
forwarding, web proxy, sql database, dns cache, internal dns, and internal
dhcp (which is what I have) while being being energy concious during use*
and using even less power and being silent when not in active use*.

I don't want to throw my logs into a tempfs, I want yesterday's logs if I
have a power outage today. I just don't want logging spinning up the disk
every twenty minutes all night long, but I'm not interested (yet) in
logging to flash media.

noflushd seems to be a good step in that direction. I'll try it out.
Thanks for mentioning it in the first post. I've read more about it and
see that it's suppose to buffer those atime writes, so sorry about that
bad guess.

I know there are solutions for that and I've read over them. I just
haven't put a lot of time into implementing them, mainly because my
gateway machine still makes a lot of noise when my disks are spun down. I
want to tackle that first - and will probably go with a VIA CPU based
system when I do. I am a little concerned about the chipsets on newer
systems being supported by Stable, because I think I'd like to take
advantage of the power management subsystems. I'll keep doing legwork,
just wanted to share what I'm looking for incase someone has already done
it or is also interested in the same setup.

Some related sites I've looked at:

http://www.agol.dk/quietlinux/
http://www.linuxrouter.org/
http://people.freebsd.org/~picobsd/
http://www.uclinux.org/


* If a user is requesting disk I/O that is not a cached read or can't be a
buffered write (sync), I don't have an issue with the drive spinning up. I
just want to minimize daemon/cron file I/O without completely removing the
hard disk from 

Kernel crash - woody 2.4.18 + xfs

[DawidChrzan]

I had a strange situation. My machine crashed
gepard:/var/log# uname -a
Linux gepard 2.4.18-grsec-1.9.4 #12 czw wrz 11 13:53:03 CEST 2003 i686 unknown

2.4.18 + gresc + xfs + htb + imq

I dunno why .
The log is 

Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel: invalid operand: 
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel: CPU:0
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel: EIP:0010:[]Not tainted
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel: EFLAGS: 00010202
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel: eax: 0044   ebx: c035c520   ecx: c035c508   edx: 
0002ff09
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel: esi: c1bfc240   edi:    ebp: 0001   esp: 
f14b1e58
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel: Process lstat.cgi (pid: 16938, stackpage=f14b1000)
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel: Stack: c035c67c 01ff 0001  0002ef09 
0282  c035c508
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel:c0129fbf 01d2 f2af5354 0001 f2af5354 
c035c508 c035c678 01d2
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel:c0292ac4 c0129e22 00104025 c0120ce8 08372024 
f2af5354 0001 f33c54e0
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel: Call Trace: [] [] [] 
[] []
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel:[] [] [] [] 
[] [
]
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel:[]
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel:
Sep 12 20:50:01 gepard kernel: Code: 0f 0b 8b 46 18 a8 80 74 02 0f 0b 89 f0 eb 15 90 
47 83 c5 0c
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel:  invalid operand: 
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel: CPU:0
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel: EIP:0010:[]Not tainted
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel: EFLAGS: 00010202
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel: eax: 0044   ebx: c035c520   ecx: c035c508   edx: 
0002ff08
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel: esi: c1bfc200   edi:    ebp: 0001   esp: 
ed277e28
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel: Process proftpd (pid: 12739, stackpage=ed277000)
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel: Stack: c035c67c 01ff 9773  0002ef08 
0282  c035c508
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel:c0129fbf 01d2 ee79fad4 9773 f7fc943c 
c035c508 c035c678 01d2
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel:c01d514c c0129e22 f47565d4 c0122d0a f47565d4 
0002 9771 0020
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel: Call Trace: [] [] [] 
[] []
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel:[] [] [] [] 
[] [
]
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel:[] []
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel:
Sep 12 20:50:03 gepard kernel: Code: 0f 0b 8b 46 18 a8 80 74 02 0f 0b 89 f0 eb 15 90 
47 83 c5 0c

[...]

Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel: invalid operand: 
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel: CPU:0
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel: EIP:0010:[]Not tainted
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel: EFLAGS: 00010082
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel: eax: c1353e20   ebx: c035c67c   ecx: c035c508   edx: 
c035c508
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel: esi: c1353e20   edi: 0003   ebp: c035c544   esp: 
db103e58
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel: Process lstat.cgi (pid: 16952, stackpage=db103000)
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel: Stack: c035c67c 01ff 0001  0001f110 
0282  c035c508
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel:c0129fbf 01d2 f7b723e4 0001 f7b723e4 
c035c508 c035c678 01d2
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel:c1924980 c0129e22 00104025 c0120ce8 08305034 
f7b723e4 0001 f47b57d8
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel: Call Trace: [] [] [] 
[] []
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel:[] [] [] [] 
[] [
]
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel:
Sep 12 20:56:46 gepard kernel: Code: 0f 0b 8b 56 04 8b 06 89 50 04 89 02 8b 44 24 1c 
89 f3 2b 98

[...]

Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: Process apache (pid: 5776, stackpage=e1fc3000)
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: Stack: c035c67c 01ff 0001  0001f1b0 
0286  c035c508
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel:c0129fbf 01d2  0001 f6e43610 
c035c508 c035c678 01d2
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel:b760 c0129e22 c17d7fc0 c0120921 080b19f4 
f495ee94 0001 f6e43610
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: Call Trace: [] [] [] 
[] []
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel:[] [] [] [] 
[]
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel:
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: Code: 0f 0b 8b 56 04 8b 06 89 50 04 89 02 8b 44 24 1c 
89 f3 2b 98
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel:  invalid operand: 
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: CPU:0
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: EIP:0010:[]Not tainted
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: EFLAGS: 00010082
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: eax: c1353e20   ebx: c035c67c   ecx: c035c508   edx: 
c035c508
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: esi: c1353e20   edi: 0003   ebp: c035c544   esp: 
de55de80
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: ds: 0018   es: 0018   ss: 0018
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: Process apache (pid: 5773, stackpage=de55d000)
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel: Stack: c035c67c 01ff 0001  0001d4e0 
0286  c035c508
Sep 12 20:57:59 gepard kernel:c0129fbf 01d2  000

Re: Evolving Debian from Red Hat

[Osamu Aoki]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:05:19PM +0530, George Abraham wrote:
> Can apt-get and deb package management system be installed in a Red hat 
> machine?. I am thinking about the possiblity of evolving a GNU/Debian 
> system from a Red Hat system. Is it possible?. Pardon me if I am wrong 
> and ignorant.

It is possible to upgrade from RH to Debian using chroot install trick
and booting into there later.  This is for people who needs to use
"REMOTE" system.

For normal user, Paul's suggestion is a good one if you are short on
disk space.

If you have a lot, make som space and install Debian in separate
partition. Then make them dual boot.

Migrate one service by one by mounting Debian files on RH.


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Re: add devfs=mount as a kernel command-line boot parameter?

[Andrés Roldán]

Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> LILO version 22.5.7.2 says
>   Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
>   The kernel was compiled with DEVFS_FS, but 'devfs=mount' was omitted
>   as a kernel command-line boot parameter; hence, the '/dev' directory
>   structure does not reflect DEVFS_FS device names.
>
> So should I add devfs=mount as a kernel command-line boot parameter?

No, unless you know what you're doing. This warning is shown because the last
versions of LILO look at /proc/partitions to make a cache of the hard disks and
the partitions of the system. You can bypass this warning.

> http://jidanni.org/comp/lilo.conf is my lilo.conf.
>
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Galeon 1.2.5 proxy settings not respected consistently

[Karsten M. Self]

I'm using Galeon 1.2.5 on testing/unstable.

My proxy settings aren't being consistently applied.  They appear to be
accepted and working properly for some period of time, but then fail to
work for no apparent reason later.  Proxy is squid on a host on my
network.

My settings are:

proxy:  wwwproxy
port:   3128
keepalives: disabled
socksv5: selected
http version: 1.1


I've tried setting keepalives on or off, resetting values, etc.  through
"Settings/Preferences/Advanced/Network" menu.  In all cases, settings
either don't take, or apply only for a period of time.

I've just tried using gconf-editor to set proxy values.  For the moment
this is working, but I'm not sure it's going to solve the problem.

"Upgrading" to 1.3.x or higher isn't an option as these versions of
Galeon suffer from serious feature stripping to the extent they're
useless.


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Re: good debian backup software?

[Stephen Patterson]

> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Ray wrote:
> 
>> was wondering if there is a package that is opitmized for backing up a 
>> debian system,  like something that would compare the installed system to 
>> a set of cds (ie the install cd set) and then write out the configuration 
>> and additional packages to cd|iso|tape|whatever.  so that the when the 
>> restore is run it only asks a very few or no configuation questions.
>> 
>> i did try 'apt-cache search' and google with no success, probably just the 
>> wrong keywords.

I do mine with a daily tar of /etc and the package status list (dpkg
--get-selections > file) and an occasional CD backup with multicd of
/home and /usr/src (for my own kernels).

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Re: hdparm, hard drive howto, tutorial

[Ismael Valladolid Torres]

El jueves, 11 de septiembre de 2003, a las 14:33, Antonio RodrX escribe:
> Does anyone know of a good tutorial, or howto on hard drives?

"Speeding up Linux Using hdparm"

http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2000/06/29/hdparm.html

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add devfs=mount as a kernel command-line boot parameter?

[Dan Jacobson]

LILO version 22.5.7.2 says
  Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
  The kernel was compiled with DEVFS_FS, but 'devfs=mount' was omitted
  as a kernel command-line boot parameter; hence, the '/dev' directory
  structure does not reflect DEVFS_FS device names.

So should I add devfs=mount as a kernel command-line boot parameter?
http://jidanni.org/comp/lilo.conf is my lilo.conf.


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XIM vs. mozilla

[Dan Jacobson]

Even though /etc/mozilla-*/prefs.js has
// XIM style
pref("xim.input_style", "over-the-spot");

but I still can't use it. I.e. forget about typing Chinese into
mozilla-snapshot, etc.

Apparently that how life is for the last few months, bug reports or not. 


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Re: Evolving Debian from Red Hat

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 12:35, George Abraham wrote:
> Can apt-get and deb package management system be installed in a Red hat 
> machine?. I am thinking about the possiblity of evolving a GNU/Debian 
> system from a Red Hat system. Is it possible?. Pardon me if I am wrong 
> and ignorant.

If /home, /var and any special data directories are on separate
partitions, then I'd "just" back them up, along with /etc, and 
start from scratch.

You can tell the Debian installer *not* to format certain partitions;
thus you can save /home, /var, etc.  It worked fine for me when I
"upgraded" from Mandrake.

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Re: DMA doesn't seem to work with my custom 2.4.21 kernel

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 12:07, David selby wrote:
> Pim Bliek wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I've set the following in my kernel-config (2.4.21):
> >
> >CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y
> >CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y
> >CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y
> >
> >I have an ASUS A7N8X Deluxe rev 2.0 motherboard.
> >
> >When I run hdparm -d1 /dev/hda I get the following error:
> >
> ># hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
> >/dev/hda:
> > setting using_dma to 1 (on)
> > HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
> > using_dma=  0 (off)
> >
> >I know this has worked on my system on a previous install (Gentoo). I
> >have quite a new WD HDD 80 GB.
> >
> >Anyone knows what I am missing?
> >
> >Pim
> >
> >  
> >
> I was running 2.4.19, upgraded to 2.4.21, dma stopped working, went back 
> to 2.4.19, dma works. Im not experienced enough to give you more help 
> than that. Give 2.4.19 a go ?

How about 2.4.22?  Could it be that .21 doesn't yet fully support 
the A7N8X's chipsets?

I have these set to "y" in my A7V133
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_MODES=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y

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Re: bug tracking

[Osamu Aoki]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 04:02:11PM +0800, csj wrote:
> I'm just curious about Debian's "bug" policy.
> 
> I know that some bugs aren't fixable (because either they're too
> expensive to fix or upstream thinks they're a "feature").  But
> how are bug reports resolved in the Debian bug system?  I just
> checked my favorite bug, and it's still under the heading
> "outstanding" rather than "resolved" and the program in question
> has had, IRC, two major releases.

I only see one bug report by you. #162308: gkdial-gnome?

This was files as normal but now downgraded properly as wishlist.

> I'm not asking that the bug be "solved".  I just want it
> "resolved".  Doesn't the bug report at least merit a "No, I won't
> fix it, unless somebody submits the code"?

I think it is properly "resolved" by changing priority.

This is a feature request.  Unless someone feels urge to write a code,
it will stay there.  Will you contribute some code here?

Basically, Debian is all about packaging and broken code (mostly security) 
fix.

Other option for you is to send a mail to upstream.

Good luck.

Osamu


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Can't install - dpkg-reconfigure console-data

[Harold Martin]

Hello -
I'm trying to install Debian from within RH as per the directions. It's
worked fine up until the point where I run '/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure
console-data'
I get the errors:
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
Package `console-data' is not installed and no info is available.
Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: console-data is not fully installed

hmmm, so I try to run 'dpkg -i console-data' but then I get the errors:
dpkg: error processing console-data (--install):
 cannot access archive: No such file or directory
Errors were encountered while processing:
 console-data

What should I do now??
Thanks,
Harold


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Re: installing a mixed system (stable/testing/unstable) under separate directories

[Osamu Aoki]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:35:35AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:19:35AM +0200, Alex Polite wrote:
> > Package pinning is driving my crazy. Every now and then I just have to
> > have something that is only available in testing or unstable. My
> > favorite option is to download the source, compile it myself and
> > install in /usr/local but every now and then it's a big thing like
> > evolution which has a gazillion dependencies.
> > 
> > So I do apt-get -t unstable 
> > 
> > Almost without exemption this will lead to hairy dependency
> > problems.
> 
> This is a very bad idea, as you've found out. It's much easier to find a
> backport (see http://www.apt-get.org/, for instance) or produce one
> yourself.

Yep.  With deb-src: in sources.list

# apt-get build-dep 
# apt-get -b source 
# dpkg -i *.deb

> I wish pinning didn't exist.

It is a good tool to pull-in unstable into testing but ... I have to
agree on your feeling to some extent. 

Once you install any C programs, they pull in latest libc...

> > I want to install stable, testing and unstable under separate
> > directories. All stable packs, configuration files etc goes under
> > /stable, testing packs goes under /testing and so on.
> 
> You could set up chroots like this using debootstrap. (Just be sure to
> use the unstable version; earlier versions aren't guaranteed to be able
> to install testing or unstable.) You might have to do ssh X forwarding
> or something to run X clients from inside the chroot, though.

Or UML.  But to be honest, upgrade to simple testing or un stable may be
easier than doing things like this. :)

Osamu


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Re: Evolving Debian from Red Hat

[Mark Roach]

On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 13:35, George Abraham wrote:
> Can apt-get and deb package management system be installed in a Red hat 
> machine?. I am thinking about the possiblity of evolving a GNU/Debian 
> system from a Red Hat system. Is it possible?. Pardon me if I am wrong 
> and ignorant.

Yes, it is actually fairly straightforward too. Here's a howto  on how
to do so remotely, but it is just as relevant for systems you are
sitting in front of.

http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html

-Mark


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Re: Evolving Debian from Red Hat

[Bob McElrath]

George Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Can apt-get and deb package management system be installed in a Red hat 
> machine?. I am thinking about the possiblity of evolving a GNU/Debian 
> system from a Red Hat system. Is it possible?. Pardon me if I am wrong 
> and ignorant.

I have done it, it is a bitch.

As far as I know there is no automated way to do it.  I carefully
removed rpm's and installed the equivalent .deb's one by one.  It is a
treacherous process because if you're not careful you will accidentally
remove something that is critical (like bash, or init).  Make sure you
have a boot disk handy that you can use to repair your filesystem if you
screw things up.  And make sure you know how to install rpm's/deb's on
your main system after booting the rescue disk.

I only did this because I have so many custom things that I did not want
to lose, and having overlapping redhat/debian would be a waste of space.

I think the easiest way to start would be to just install the base
debian system over top of your old one, and then begin going through the
rpm database and removing things, and replacing them with the equivalent
debian packages.  Due to rpm dependencies though, this is a horrible
nightmare.

Cheers,
Bob McElrath [Univ. of California at Davis, Department of Physics]

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to
be their own governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge
gives. A popular government without popular information or the means
of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy or
perhaps both."
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Re: Not-so-strange question about bind

[Jakob Lell]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:00:15 +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can I install a simple bind package, and with it, run two bind daemons
> on different ports serving the same domain using different zone files?
Why different ports? For your problem it is probably best to serve on
different interfaces/IPs
> 
> I am thinking of using the same machine to resolve the same machine
> names into a different set of IP addresses, internal ones for Intranet
> use, and the "visible" external one for external use.
Probably you have to interfaces: one external and one internal. You will
need two seperated bind configuration directories (just copy
/etc/bind(9)). Then you need a (slightly modified) copy of
/etc/init.d/bind(9). You can use the option listen-on in your bind configuration
to restrict both binds to one IP address.
> 
> I suppose, in the worst case, I could install both bind and bind9,
> hoping they don't conflict.
They do conflict, of course.
Maybe you should run your external bind chrooted and as user to enhance
security. (google will find some howtos).
> 
> Any feedback will be very useful, so thanks in advance.
> 
> Regards, Ismael


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Re: best laptops for debian linux

[Jeremy T. Bouse]

Given recent versions (ObReference: I normally run Unstable on
my laptops) of Debian I've had no problems with either my Toshiba
Satellite Pro 4600 or my Sony Vaio PCG-C1MWP...

I should note that I say "no problems" but it really means
nothing that has been a show stopper... Neither can use the internal
modem, and the Vaio is unable to make use of the internal webcam at this
time... BUt they both function properly and I work off them daily...

Regards,
Jeremy T. Bouse

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:25:30AM -0800, Andy Firman wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 01:12:47AM -0700, Jon wrote:
> > I'm looking to buy a laptop that can easily be set up to run debian
> > linux.  I do not need a high end graphics card, nor is there a real
> > need for a big screen.   Being light weight is not a primary factor,
> > whereas rugged reliability would be.  Can anyone suggest particular
> > brands and models that fit this description?  Top priority is that
> > debian linux can be easily installed on the machine, while the other
> > requirements are less important.
> 
> I am on my 3rd IBM Thinkpad and ALL of them ran Debian perfectly.
> There is a huge range of Thinkpads so you will easily find one that
> fits your requirements.
> 
> First was a Thinkpad 390e, second was a Thinkpad A21e, and now I am
> on a very nice and powerful Thinkpad A31.
> 
> If you are brave, you can get one off Ebay for a reasonable price.
> I usually buy brand new from PCMall.com.
> (hate paying the Microsoft tax though...ugh!)
> 
> This page has been a great help to me:
> http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ibm.html
> 
> Good luck with your purchase.
> 
> Andy
> 
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Evolving Debian from Red Hat

[George Abraham]

Can apt-get and deb package management system be installed in a Red hat 
machine?. I am thinking about the possiblity of evolving a GNU/Debian 
system from a Red Hat system. Is it possible?. Pardon me if I am wrong 
and ignorant.

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Re: bug tracking

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 04:02:11PM +0800, csj wrote:
> I'm just curious about Debian's "bug" policy.
> 
> I know that some bugs aren't fixable (because either they're too
> expensive to fix or upstream thinks they're a "feature").  But
> how are bug reports resolved in the Debian bug system?  I just
> checked my favorite bug, and it's still under the heading
> "outstanding" rather than "resolved" and the program in question
> has had, IRC, two major releases.
> 
> I'm not asking that the bug be "solved".  I just want it
> "resolved".  Doesn't the bug report at least merit a "No, I won't
> fix it, unless somebody submits the code"?

That's entirely up to the maintainer of the package and/or any other
random people who happen to look at it. Forget policy here, it's a
matter of people having time and interest to do the work. If you give
more details about the bug in question then perhaps somebody could be
encouraged to look at it. (Bug #162308?)

Sometimes the type of response you're talking about happens, but it's
rather rare for a bug submitter to be satisfied with that, so many
maintainers assume that it's taken as read.

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Re: best laptops for debian linux

[Steve Lamb]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:25:30 -0800
Andy Firman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 01:12:47AM -0700, Jon wrote:
> > I'm looking to buy a laptop that can easily be set up to run debian
> > linux.

> I am on my 3rd IBM Thinkpad and ALL of them ran Debian perfectly.

I concur.

[ Snipola ]

> If you are brave, you can get one off Ebay for a reasonable price.

I'm on my third Thinkpad running Debian, all were bought off EBay for
under $200.  This one has had some problems with the nubble causing problems
on bootup.  I normally just turn that off and use an external mouse.  Great
machines for Linux overall.

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Re: hdparm, hard drive howto, tutorial

[Kenneth Macdonald Karlsen]

Antonio RodrX wrote:

Does anyone know of a good tutorial, or howto on hard drives? I would like to understand a little better this part of the hardware before playing with hdparm. Some hdparm bash script examples would be also welcome.

 

Here is my script:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/init.d/hdparm
#!/bin/bash
DRIVES="hda hdb"
SETTINGS="-d 1 -m 16 -c 1 -a 1 -q -u 1 -W 1"
case "$1" in
   start|restart)
   for dev in $DRIVES; do
   hdparm $SETTINGS /dev/$dev
   done
   ;;
   stop)
   ;;
esac



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Re: best laptops for debian linux

[Andy Firman]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 01:12:47AM -0700, Jon wrote:
> I'm looking to buy a laptop that can easily be set up to run debian
> linux.  I do not need a high end graphics card, nor is there a real
> need for a big screen.   Being light weight is not a primary factor,
> whereas rugged reliability would be.  Can anyone suggest particular
> brands and models that fit this description?  Top priority is that
> debian linux can be easily installed on the machine, while the other
> requirements are less important.

I am on my 3rd IBM Thinkpad and ALL of them ran Debian perfectly.
There is a huge range of Thinkpads so you will easily find one that
fits your requirements.

First was a Thinkpad 390e, second was a Thinkpad A21e, and now I am
on a very nice and powerful Thinkpad A31.

If you are brave, you can get one off Ebay for a reasonable price.
I usually buy brand new from PCMall.com.
(hate paying the Microsoft tax though...ugh!)

This page has been a great help to me:
http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ibm.html

Good luck with your purchase.

Andy


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Re: apt-get trying to downgrade a package version?

[Ian Silvester]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:18:42 +0200, Andreas Janssen 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello

Ian Silvester (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:46:41 +0200, Andreas Janssen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ian Silvester (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

I am running Woody with a 2.4.20 kernel and acpi installed.

When I try to install kppp or am-utils (for example) using Package
Manager or apt-get, I get the following error:
Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
acpi: Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.1-1) but 2.2.5-11.5 is to be installed
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
specify a solution).
The acpi package was not built for woody. Where does it come from?
I obtained it via the ACPI HOWTO - there is a link in it to a .deb
which is a Woody kernel + ACPI.
[...]

libc6 2.2.5-11 is the version from woody, 2.3.1 is newer.
I begin to understand my problem; APT does not like finding a newer
libc6. This is a laptop installation, where power management is a
must. The APM built into Woody was inadequate; all signs pointed
toward ACPI.
I guess the question now becomes; how to I convince APT to accept a
newer libc6? Is that possible? Would the 'clean', 'update', upgrade'
or dist-upgrade' options help me? Having read the man pages I am
loath to run them without another individual suggesting that it would
be a good idea!
The acpi package was not built for your system. It probably was built
for testing or unstable. Replacing a basic package like libc6 would not
be a good idea. Instead, try to find an acpi package that was built for
libc6 in woody, for example at , or see if you
can recompile the package from source.
Thanks for the good advice Andreas. I made the mistake of assuming the acpi 
package was the entire acpi system (very foolish since of course its 
compiled into the kernel!) and so was trying to find ways to keep it 
installed. Since I've realised all it does is report acpi statuses, I don't 
actually need it at all!

apt-get -f install

cleaned things up nicely, removing the offending package, and I'm now 
installing the packages I'm after with no problems :o)

Thanks again for your help,

yan

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Re: DMA doesn't seem to work with my custom 2.4.21 kernel

[David selby]

Pim Bliek wrote:

Hi,

I've set the following in my kernel-config (2.4.21):

CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y
CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y
I have an ASUS A7N8X Deluxe rev 2.0 motherboard.

When I run hdparm -d1 /dev/hda I get the following error:

# hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
/dev/hda:
setting using_dma to 1 (on)
HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
using_dma=  0 (off)
I know this has worked on my system on a previous install (Gentoo). I
have quite a new WD HDD 80 GB.
Anyone knows what I am missing?

Pim

 

I was running 2.4.19, upgraded to 2.4.21, dma stopped working, went back 
to 2.4.19, dma works. Im not experienced enough to give you more help 
than that. Give 2.4.19 a go ?

Dave

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Re: eFax tiff viewer?

[Andy Firman]

On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 11:24:41PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 09:06:18PM -0400, ccn wrote:
> > eFax service www.efax.com deliveres faxes as email attachments in
> > multipage tiff format. When I open such an attachment using tifftopnm,
> > gimp, or gimv I can only see the first page.
> > 
> > Has anybody figured out what viewer displays all pages of a multipage fax?
> 
> I asked this very question on this very list, years ago.
> 
> Display from the ImageMagick package works fine.


I use KFax 1.3.0 (which is in KDE 3.1.3) for Efax .tif files.

It works very well for me.  

Andy


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Re: Not-so-strange question about bind

[Stefan Waidele jun.]

Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote:
[...]
I suppose, in the worst case, I could install both bind and bind9,
hoping they don't conflict.
You could use UserModeLinux UML and have two virtual machines running 
bind. They would have two different IP addresses, so you could set up 
the clients to ask the right named.

Any feedback will be very useful, so thanks in advance.
I don't know if the task you want to archive makes sense, since it 
complicates the setup very much.

Why don't you use two different zones and use different 'search' lines 
in resolv.conf for internal and external machines. That would implicate 
that you would use one domainname internally 'xyz.local' and another 
externally 'xyz.com'

I am not a networking-guru, but I would think that if you would tell us 
what you want to do (not technicaly, but what you want to archive),
someone might come up with another way to do it.

HTH,

Stefan

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gs-fonts ruin wmaker desktop

[John Holland]

I recently installed Debian (mixed stable/unstable) on a laptop. I wanted
the nice look of anti-aliased fonts. Everything looks great but I found
that if the gs-fonts were installed it wrecked my wmaker desktop and other
gui items. I have carefully avoided letting that package go in and thus
far that is OK. But is there a better solution?


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bug tracking

[csj]

I'm just curious about Debian's "bug" policy.

I know that some bugs aren't fixable (because either they're too
expensive to fix or upstream thinks they're a "feature").  But
how are bug reports resolved in the Debian bug system?  I just
checked my favorite bug, and it's still under the heading
"outstanding" rather than "resolved" and the program in question
has had, IRC, two major releases.

I'm not asking that the bug be "solved".  I just want it
"resolved".  Doesn't the bug report at least merit a "No, I won't
fix it, unless somebody submits the code"?


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Not-so-strange question about bind

[Ismael Valladolid Torres]

Hi,

Can I install a simple bind package, and with it, run two bind daemons
on different ports serving the same domain using different zone files?

I am thinking of using the same machine to resolve the same machine
names into a different set of IP addresses, internal ones for Intranet
use, and the "visible" external one for external use.

I suppose, in the worst case, I could install both bind and bind9,
hoping they don't conflict.

Any feedback will be very useful, so thanks in advance.

Regards, Ismael
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Re: Cake Walk replacement

[Rodney D. Myers]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:34:35 -0700
"Rodney D. Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a friend that want to ditch windos, worm/virus/daily reboot
> routine.
> 
> He's a musician, and relies heavily on Cake Walk. I need to find him a
> replacement so I can get him, his wife, and daughter switched over to
> the debian way.
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Thanks to all who responded. I have the links printed out for my friend,
and let him look all of them over, so he can decide. I hope to help him
sometime this weekend.

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Re: gtm keeps making 'sh ' processes

[Mark Roach]

On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 10:49, Ray wrote:
> i'm not sure if its just a setting i have wrong, but when i've finished 
> downloading stuff there are a number of sh  show up in ps -A
> 
> part of the output from 'ps -AH'
> 
>   PID TTY  TIME CMD
> 21152 ?00:00:00   gtm
> 21159 ?00:00:00 sh 
[...]
> what setting did i foobar or is it a bug? i didn't find it in the bug list 
> for gtm on debian or sourceforge.

you shouldn't have to worry about it. It just means that gtm hasn't
reaped its child processes. They will go away when gtm does. It could be
termed a bug, but it's not a harmful one.

-Mark


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Re: problems with Via AC97 controller

[Mental Patient]

Richard Shepherd wrote:
I am running  3.0r1+g2.2 Woody on a DFI ad77 with KT400 chipset. On startup, I get a sound device not detected error. 'sndconfig' detects a

Via Technologies VT8233 AC97 Audio controller

But when I try the test I hear no sound and get:

modprobe provokes the following error

/lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: init_module: No such device

/lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: insmod:

/lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: failed

/lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: insmod sound-slot-0 failed

Can you help?

The via82cxx_audio module is failing to intialize. This could be because 
the chipset on your mobo is a newer version than what the driver you 
have supports.

I have this audio chipset on my mobo at work. I had problems with older 
kernels. At one point (2.4.20 or 2.4.21) the modules would load but I'd 
STILL get no sound. I'm currently running 2.4.22 and its working. 
Modules loaded are:
via82cxxx_audio20988   0
ac97_codec 13428   0 [via82cxxx_audio]
soundcore   3844   2 [via82cxxx_audio]

chipset info:
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8235 ISA Bridge
00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586/B/686A/B PIPC Bus 
Master IDE (rev 06)
00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 AC97 
Audio Controller (rev 50)

I'd suggest seeing what modules the stock debian kernels support and if 
possible upgrading your kernel via apt-get or compiling your own.



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Re: exim.conf screwed up?

[Jeff Elkins]

On Friday 12 September 2003 10:31 am, Colin Watson wrote:
>
>Change "@" to "\@" throughout. Double-quotes trigger interpolation of
>variables in their contents, including array variables like @elkins and
>@earthlink. If you use the -w switch and 'use strict;', perl will tell
>you about such mistakes.

Thanks, this did the trick!

Jeff


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gtm keeps making 'sh ' processes

[Ray]

i'm not sure if its just a setting i have wrong, but when i've finished 
downloading stuff there are a number of sh  show up in ps -A

part of the output from 'ps -AH'

  PID TTY  TIME CMD
21152 ?00:00:00   gtm
21159 ?00:00:00 sh 
21162 ?00:00:00 sh 
21165 ?00:00:00 sh 
21168 ?00:00:00 sh 
21171 ?00:00:00 sh 
21174 ?00:00:00 sh 
21177 ?00:00:00 sh 
21181 ?00:00:00 sh 
21186 ?00:00:00 sh 
21189 ?00:00:00 sh 
21192 ?00:00:00 sh 
21195 ?00:00:00 sh 

what setting did i foobar or is it a bug? i didn't find it in the bug list 
for gtm on debian or sourceforge.

gtm 0.4.11-4
wget 1.8.1-6.1 


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Re: exim.conf screwed up?

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:16:14AM -0400, Jeff Elkins wrote:
> She who must be obeyed asked me to generate a list of family
> birthdays, so I whipped up a perl script to read a flat file at the
> beginning of each month and report via mail on who's up... However, it
> seems that my exim.conf is not up to snuff. When I enter proper
> addresses into my script (i.e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]) delivery
> fails with a munged address of: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It works
> if addresses in the perl script are left unqualified, pointing to
> local accounts -- jeff works [EMAIL PROTECTED] fails. Mail seems to work
> fine otherwise. 
> 
> Where might I have screwed up?
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> open(MAIL,"|exim -bm -f jeff -t");
> print MAIL "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]";
> print MAIL "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]";
> print MAIL "CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]";

Change "@" to "\@" throughout. Double-quotes trigger interpolation of
variables in their contents, including array variables like @elkins and
@earthlink. If you use the -w switch and 'use strict;', perl will tell
you about such mistakes.

> print MAIL "Subject: Birthdays\n";
> print MAIL "X-Generated-By: bday\n";
> 
> print MAIL "Upcoming Birthdays\n";
> print MAIL "==\n";

Also, you might find this easier:

  print MAIL <<'EOF';
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Birthdays
  X-Generated-By: bday

  Upcoming Birthdays
  ==
  EOF

(Be careful to remove the indenting I've used. The EOF *must* occur at
the very beginning of a line.)

The here-document syntax avoids all the repetitive 'print MAIL' bits,
and single-quoting the 'EOF' means that all the text is implicitly
single-quoted, which in turn means that no variable interpolation
happens, so you don't have to turn '@' into '\@' here.

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Re: [gdm] strange behaviour when starting GDM

[Mike Kuhar]

On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 04:26, Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > I'm glad it works for you now. I also like the graphical greeter with the
> > sunflower, but for now I'm waiting out the fix rather than backing off the
> > image library. It hasn't seemed to affect anything else I do.
> 
> I agree, I always use the sunflower one too ;)
> I'd rather wait for the package to be upgraded, I don't like fiddling with
> my system too much. Makes upgrading later on a pain mostly, and I tend to
> forget ;).
> 
> > Trying out SquirrelMail
> Same here too ;). I use it for a couple of months now and I love it!
> 
> Pim
> 

You might try loading gdm-themes.  This corrected the problem for me. 


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Re: exim.conf screwed up?

[moseley]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:16:14AM -0400, Jeff Elkins wrote:
> She who must be obeyed asked me to generate a list of family birthdays, so I 
> whipped up a perl script to read a flat file at the beginning of each month 
> and report via mail on who's up... However, it seems that my exim.conf is not 
> up to snuff. When I enter proper addresses into my script (i.e. 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) delivery fails with a munged address of: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It works if addresses in the perl script are 
> left unqualified, pointing to local accounts -- jeff works [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> fails. Mail seems to work fine otherwise. 
> 
> Where might I have screwed up?

now using -w and use strict on your program would be my guess.

$foo is a scalar
@foo is an array.

BTW -- there's modules on CPAN for sending mail.  Check them out.


> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> open(MAIL,"|exim -bm -f jeff -t");
> print MAIL "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]";
> print MAIL "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]";
   ^^^
> print MAIL "CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]";
> print MAIL "Subject: Birthdays\n";
> print MAIL "X-Generated-By: bday\n";
> 
> print MAIL "Upcoming Birthdays\n";
> print MAIL "==\n";
> 
> open (BDAY,"/tmp/bday.tmp");
> 
> while () {
>  print MAIL $_;
> }
> close (bday);
> close (MAIL);
> 
> exim log:
> 
> <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=root P=local S=415
> <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=mail P=spam-scanned S=733 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> => jeff.org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> D=spamcheck T=spamc_delivery
> ** [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unknown local-part "jeff.org" in domain "elkins.org"
> <= <> R=19xnfe-IA-00 U=mail P=local S=1536
> Error message sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Completed
> 
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icecast and shout, password problem.

[ingirafn]

Hello, I have icecast runnig I think. 

I made enqripted password with makepasswd -crypt

and then I got pass1 og pass2. As I understand it the pass1 is a uncripted password 
and 
pass2 encrypted. 

I put the pass2 in to the /etc/icecast/icecast.conf and then started it with icecast 
-p pass1

Then i put pass2 in to the /etc/icecast/shout.conf

I have tried all  variations about having the password in the shout.conf

but it always says. 

1.4.0 - www.icecast.org

Connected: [ioi.lhi.is:8000\default]

[/home/bla/bla/mp3/file.mp3]
[5:47] Size: 5566464 Bitrate: 128000 (71364 bytes/dot)
[Server error: [ERROR - Bad Password   ]

]


Can anyone tell me what I do wrong? 
Hope to get an ansver. 

Ingirafn


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Re: problems with Via AC97 controller

[David Palmer]

On Friday 12 September 2003 19:37, Richard Shepherd wrote:
> I am running  3.0r1+g2.2 Woody on a DFI ad77 with KT400 chipset. On
> startup, I get a sound device not detected error. 'sndconfig' detects a
>
> Via Technologies VT8233 AC97 Audio controller
>
> But when I try the test I hear no sound and get:
>
> modprobe provokes the following error
>
> /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: init_module: No
> such device
>
> /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: insmod:
>
> /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: failed
>
> /lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: insmod
> sound-slot-0 failed
>
> Can you help?
>
>
> Rick Shepherd

Hello,

Be warned:- Newbie advice!
The VT audio controller looks like the controller on your southbridge.
It doesn't seem to be detecting your card.
Is your card installed?
Is the module for your card loaded?
And also, sometimes it pays to remove your card and gently wipe the contact 
points with a soft cotton cloth (never your hands), then reseating it firmly 
again because it might not be contacting properly.
Regards,

David.


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Re: no shell login initialization when logging in with Gnome?(Gnome 2.2/woody)

[Daniel B.]

James Strandboge wrote:
> ...
> This is a bug in sid right now.  I am waiting for the fix to be applied
> and will roll it out to the backport.

Thanks.

Daniel
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exim.conf screwed up?

[Jeff Elkins]

She who must be obeyed asked me to generate a list of family birthdays, so I 
whipped up a perl script to read a flat file at the beginning of each month 
and report via mail on who's up... However, it seems that my exim.conf is not 
up to snuff. When I enter proper addresses into my script (i.e. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) delivery fails with a munged address of: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It works if addresses in the perl script are 
left unqualified, pointing to local accounts -- jeff works [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
fails. Mail seems to work fine otherwise. 

Where might I have screwed up?

#!/usr/bin/perl

open(MAIL,"|exim -bm -f jeff -t");
print MAIL "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]";
print MAIL "From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]";
print MAIL "CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]";
print MAIL "Subject: Birthdays\n";
print MAIL "X-Generated-By: bday\n";

print MAIL "Upcoming Birthdays\n";
print MAIL "==\n";

open (BDAY,"/tmp/bday.tmp");

while () {
 print MAIL $_;
}
close (bday);
close (MAIL);

exim log:

<= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=root P=local S=415
<= [EMAIL PROTECTED] U=mail P=spam-scanned S=733 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
=> jeff.org <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> D=spamcheck T=spamc_delivery
** [EMAIL PROTECTED]: unknown local-part "jeff.org" in domain "elkins.org"
<= <> R=19xnfe-IA-00 U=mail P=local S=1536
Error message sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Completed


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"securing" postfix (was Re: Did I send that? (reading postfix logs))

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

[sorry this reply is so late, I only noticed your message just now]

On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 04:35:28PM -0400, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote:
| On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 04:03:53PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
| > On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 04:30:44PM -0400, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote:
| > 
| > | I've just set relay_domains = $mydestination according to:
| > 
| > That is VERY wrong.  If a domain is hosted locally then you don't
| > relay for it.  If you relay for it then it isn't hosted locally.  No
| > domain should be listed in both paramters.
| 
| Your email gets a big "0" for usefulness, sorry.

I'm sorry.  When I first looked at this thread I noticed the above
noted error right off, but didn't have any immediate ideas on the
rest.

Backing up a bit, do you know what the mydestination and relay_domains
parameters are for?  If not then I'll explain them in more depth.

| Do you have suggestions on how I'm supposed to configure Postfix so
| that people stop sending their spam through my laptop?

I think the following document is a good, succint, list of effective
anti-spam measures.  Jim also includes some warnings about potential
pitfalls associated with the techniques.
http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt

That document is intended for mail servers, but since you are talking
about a laptop it may be even simpler for you.

Going back to what you (Emma) originally posted, I want a better
understanding of your environment.  You said :
relayhost = relayhost=[127.0.0.1]:8025
What daemon is listening on port 8025 and what purpose does it have?

Your orginal message included this log snippet :
Aug 29 13:53:51 debian postfix/smtp[3562]: 07C353A654: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1], delay=1, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as 4DF482625C)

The reason the line has "relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]" is because the
relayhost parameter tells postfix to send all mail via smtp to another
system (which could be a different program, on a different machine).
Since your relay host is 127.0.0.1, postfix relays to something on
your machine.

If you want to know where the message came from, then you need to
search the log for message id 07C353A654.  Somewhere earlier in the
log postfix tells where/how it received the message and gives some
more details of how it handled it.


If on your laptop you never receive mail (via smtp) from the outside
world then you can simply tell smtpd (the incoming smtp daemon portion
of postfix) not to listen on any external interfaces.  If you never
submit mail to postfix via smtp (even from localhost) then you can
simply not start the smtpd process.  Then anyone trying to relay
through the laptop would need to find a different entry point that
gives them access to /usr/sbin/sendmail (for example a broken CGI
script on the web server).

To make smtpd listen on localhost only, edit the master.cf line for
smtpd so it starts with
localhost:smtp
for example, on my system the entire line would look like
localhost:smtp  inet  n   -   n   -   -   smtpd
(you may have some different flags set so your line might be somewhat
different from that)

To not run smtpd at all simply comment out the smtpd line.

Note: do _not_ comment out the 'smtp' line (no 'd') or else you won't
be able to send mail out.

I hope this helps you some more!

-D

PS. I did intentionally Cc you so as to avoid the possibility that
you'll miss this old thread as I did.

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Re: icewmbg and recent unstable updates.

[Mike Dresser]

On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, Mike Dresser wrote:

> I'll try running icewm-session instead of icewm right now, I'm surprised
> that icewmbg didn't work out of .xsession, when it used to.

Still doesn't work when calling icewm-session, the background problem was
reported in #208156.

Oddly enough, if i manually run icewm-session once IceWM is up, it loads
my background.

Mike


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Re: icewmbg and recent unstable updates.

[Mike Dresser]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Hanspeter Roth wrote:

> You are probably running a version after 1.2.9.
> In some recent versions icewmbg must be run explicitly.
> In 1.2.13 there will be icewm-session which should be started
> instead of icewm.

Indeed, running 1.2.13pre1 now.

I'll try running icewm-session instead of icewm right now, I'm surprised
that icewmbg didn't work out of .xsession, when it used to.

Mike


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Re: cupsd user

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Tom Allison (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> How do you set the cups server user to something other than root?
> 
> In order to access the web pages, I have to use my root user/pass.  I
> don't like this and would like to change it to someone else (dedicated
> cups userid?).

>From /etc/cups/cupsd.conf:

# SystemGroup: the group name for "System" (printer administration)
# access.  The default varies depending on the operating system, but
# will be "sys", "system", or "root" (checked for in that order.)
#

SystemGroup lpadmin

Try to add your users to that group.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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problems with Via AC97 controller

[Richard Shepherd]

I am running  3.0r1+g2.2 Woody on a DFI ad77 with KT400 chipset. On startup, I get a 
sound device not detected error. 'sndconfig' detects a

Via Technologies VT8233 AC97 Audio controller

But when I try the test I hear no sound and get:

modprobe provokes the following error

/lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: init_module: No such device

/lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: insmod:

/lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: failed

/lib/modules/2.4.20/kernel.drivers/sound/via82cxxx_audio.o: insmod sound-slot-0 failed

Can you help?


Rick Shepherd


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Re: Cake Walk replacement

[Roy Pluschke]

On September 11, 2003 11:34 am, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> I have a friend that want to ditch windos, worm/virus/daily reboot
> routine.
>
> He's a musician, and relies heavily on Cake Walk. I need to find him a
> replacement so I can get him, his wife, and daughter switched over to
> the debian way.
>

Rosegarden 4 is the closest you are going to find to Cake Walk. If your friend 
usually uses Calk Walk in step mode to enter scores Noteedit would be worth 
looking into (its what I primarily use).  You will have to be running 
unstable to use Rosegarden 4. If your friend is a serious musician the 
current linux offerings are not quite up to what he is used to in Windows, 
dual booting might be a better option for the time being.

RJP


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Re: networking problem (perhaps with Autonegotiate?)

[Darryl Barlow]

I haven't had the dubious pleasure of having any association with an ME 
Network.  However, if other versions of Windows are anything to go by my 
recollection is that Connection Sharing sets up the gateway as 192.168.0.1 
with the other machines usually getting their IP from the gateway via dhcp.

If you want to use ifconfig at the command line to bring up your connection 
you will need to find out and use the appropriate details, including the 
gateway ip address, and make sure the default route is set up.  An easier way 
would be to simply set up your /etc/network/interfaces file to use dhcp.  
This assumes, of course, that connection sharing is properly set up on your 
neighbours network.

You should test the connection by pinging first the gateway, then an address 
on the net, perhaps your isp.  Once this works so should your web browser.

Good luck.


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cupsd user

[Tom Allison]

How do you set the cups server user to something other than root?

In order to access the web pages, I have to use my root user/pass.  I don't 
like this and would like to change it to someone else (dedicated cups userid?).

how?
Where?
hints?
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Re: xhost +localhost has no effect [SUMMARY]

[HdV]

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, ScruLoose wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 11:44:22PM -0400, ScruLoose wrote:
> >
> > So I want to log in to X as one regular (non-root) user, and then allow
> > a different regular user to run X apps.
> >
> >   Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> >   Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
>
>   xauth -merge ~/.xauthority
  ^   ^

merge is a command to xauth, not an option (something like 'show' in
'apt-cache show').

The file containing the MIT-magic-cookie is named .Xauthority. Case is
important here.

> gave me a usage message, so I did:
>   xauth merge ~/.xauthority
> which executed silently, but had no apparent effect.

Hmm, did you set the DISPLAY environment variable first?

Try this invocation and see what happens:

$ export DISPLAY=:0.0
$ xauth merge ~username/.Xauthority
$ some_x_app &

As far as I know this should work in almost any situation I can think
of.

>
>   xhost +local:
> did exactly what I wanted.

This effectively allows any local user to connect to your X.
Non-repudiation is gone if you do that. Please adhere to "the principle
of least privilege" if you want to keep your system secure. Stick to the
xauth method.

Grx HdV




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some tools are running as root only - no network printer access

[weitzd]

hi,

i am new debian user (SuSE User, before),
so some problems, like this one:

i am running debian3 with enlightenment WM.

1. some tools from the kde-suite (Konsole) and
gnome (gftp) won't run as normal user.
you can start them, but they will freeze.

where is the prob?

2. debian refuses to connect any networkprinter.
doesn't matter of kinf of connection, debian doesn't find anything.
printtool brings no solution.
CUPS won'T start, LPD seems not to start.

lots of bugs


regards





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Re: installing a mixed system (stable/testing/unstable) under separate directories

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:19:35AM +0200, Alex Polite wrote:
> Package pinning is driving my crazy. Every now and then I just have to
> have something that is only available in testing or unstable. My
> favorite option is to download the source, compile it myself and
> install in /usr/local but every now and then it's a big thing like
> evolution which has a gazillion dependencies.
> 
> So I do apt-get -t unstable 
> 
> Almost without exemption this will lead to hairy dependency
> problems.

This is a very bad idea, as you've found out. It's much easier to find a
backport (see http://www.apt-get.org/, for instance) or produce one
yourself.

I wish pinning didn't exist.

> I want to install stable, testing and unstable under separate
> directories. All stable packs, configuration files etc goes under
> /stable, testing packs goes under /testing and so on.

You could set up chroots like this using debootstrap. (Just be sure to
use the unstable version; earlier versions aren't guaranteed to be able
to install testing or unstable.) You might have to do ssh X forwarding
or something to run X clients from inside the chroot, though.

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adsl

[elisa . b]

Dear sir or madam,
I am a student doing research about ADSL i Belgium.
I would like to know who are the adsl providers in belgium, what are the main 
regulations and how is the market in general arranged.

Thank you in advance for your answer.

Best regards,

Elisa Cepelkova

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Re: installing a mixed system (stable/testing/unstable) under separate directories

[Alex Polite]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:28:57AM +0200, Albert Dengg wrote:
> ...
> > I want to install stable, testing and unstable under separate
> > directories. All stable packs, configuration files etc goes under
> > /stable, testing packs goes under /testing and so on.
> ...
> well, here is a guide to set up debian in a chroot enviroment
> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot


Very cool!

If I do this, will I be able to run xapps from my chroot envirionment
on the xserver that my "main" environment is running?

alex

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