Re: GUI Database?

[S.D.A.]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 12:45:30AM -0400 or thereabouts, Ed Sutherland wrote:
> I'm one of those persons switching from a major desktop (OS X) to Linux 
> (the PPC version of Debian's distro.) I want something like Filemaker 
> Pro. I know there is MySQL, but frankly, the difficulty level makes me 
> want to just run and hide in a corner. :) Is there a simple alternative? 

You want MSFT Access then.

Seriously, MySQL has a fairly decent web front end in PHPMyAdmin. You'll find it
pretty intuitive, and end up with a better database.

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Re: Wrong interpretation og '\$' by bash?

[Oliver Elphick]

On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 01:52, Nicholas Lativy wrote:
> > PS1="\[\033]0;\$\w/\007\]\$\w/: "
> 
> I tried this here and got the same as you report, a "$" for root
> instead of the expected "#". Then I used:
> 
> PS1='\[\033]0;\$\w/\007\]\$\w/: '
> 
> and that worked! I played about a bit and consistently the latter
> quoting style produced the expected result but the former did not. I
> have no idea why this is (a bug?)

It is a consequence of shell quoting rules.  "..." does variable
substitution and backslash escaping, '...' does no substitution or
escaping.

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Re: Combining images?

[Richard Lyons]

On Sunday 22 August 2004 05:16, Stefan O'Rear wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 11:06:19PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > I am using a flatbed scanner to grab some magazine articles.  There are
> > pages where a picture(s) spans both facing pages.  Since I must scan
> > one page at a time, I am looking for a way to combine these images so
> > they are side by side in a new file, i.e. the left side of the second
> > image merged to the right side of the first image.  Playing with the
> > Gimp and looking through its manuals have exhausted all the obvious
> > clues.  Perhaps the Gimp is the wrong program here as what I want to do
> > seems to be too basic for its authors or I am too dumb.
> 
> Try copy and paste.  However you will need to rotate the images first so
> they line up. You can use the Transform tool to do that.

Yes, this is the way I usually do it in gimp.  Take image A, image -> canvas 
size -> (unlink x and y) -> expand the canvas enough to fit image B -> layer 
to image size (if you haven't found this yet you get there by: either 
right-click layer in layers dialogue or right-click the image and use the 
"layer" context menu) -> go to image B and select all (or as much as you 
need) -> copy (have to use ctl-c as ctl-insert doesn't work in gimp -- or 
edit menu, of course) -> back to image A -> paste -> move the pasted image to 
required location and anchor (or new layer if you don't want to merge them 
finally yet because one needs rotating slightly to match up).  

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Re: GUI Database?

[Kevin Mark]

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On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 12:45:30AM -0400, Ed Sutherland wrote:
> I'm one of those persons switching from a major desktop (OS X) to Linux 
> (the PPC version of Debian's distro.) I want something like Filemaker 
> Pro. I know there is MySQL, but frankly, the difficulty level makes me 
> want to just run and hide in a corner. :) Is there a simple alternative? 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ed
Hi Ed,
I recently used mysqlcc (mysql control center) it is kind of like an ms
sql query manager. It has a list of the db's and the tables is a tree
format. after you select a table, you can edit its rows and colums. you
can also make sql queries. Its not a bad interface.
Check it out. if not, there are more options. although there is not any
duplicates of ms access or FM in *nix, yet. But there are may very good
one.
- -Kev
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Re: perl module --> debian package name

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 02:06:30PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 12:12 -0400, John Harrold wrote:
> > Hey,
> > 
> > I was trying to run a perl script on a Debian box and it kept complaining
> > that I didn't have the right perl module installed (in this case
> > the Date::Format module). Typically typically I can look through the
> > available packages with 'apt-cache search' and find the correct debian
> > package to install. In this case the name of the package was
> > 'libtimedate-perl' --- which isnt obvious given all of the other packages
> > with 'date' in them. So I was wondering if there was something out there
> > that maps perl modules to the Debian package that provides them. Perhaps I
> > just need to be more creative when using apt-cache.
> 
> 
> 1. apt-get install dh-make-perl
> 2. man dh-make-perl
> 3. Do the magic that exists within dh-make-perl
> 4. ...
> 5. ... PROFIT!
> 
> Have loads of fun.
> 
Hi Greg,
would it be possible for someone with say dh-make-perl and perl -MCPAN -eshell
and make some script-foo that would be able to interface with CPAN and 
whip up any not currently avaible perl module?
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Re: perl module --> debian package name

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 03:25:14PM -0400, John Harrold wrote:
> Sometime in August Jacob S. assaulted the keyboard and produced:
> 
> | I agree it can be a little confusing at times.
> | 
> | A quick search on packages.debian.org for "date::format" returned the
> | following:
> | 
> | usr/share/man/man3/Date::Format.3pm.gz - interpreters/libtimedate-perl
> 
> So is this the defacto way of doing this? The only reason I ask is because
> 'apt-cache search date::format' returned nothing for me. I've migraged all
> of our servers over to Debian, and I'm very pleased with it. Though, I'm
> not yet familiar with all of the nuances.
Hi folks,
maybe it needs a programmatic solution?
debian perl function finder
input: standard perl formated name
output: debian package name

% foobar date::format
libtimedate-perl

or maybe the consensus is that people who truly want to find it, will
put in the effort, thus nullifying the need for the above.
-Kev


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Re: ensuring usb devices visibility

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 08:24:20AM -0400, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> Two days ago I made an update-upgrade to my sid machine (kernel
> 2.6.7). For a while I hadn't been able to make my memory stick work,
> since i had moved to 2.6.7 with udev.
> Now, after this up*, without changing anything in the kernel or
> udev-hotplug configuration files manually, all is
> working, as it did in the old times of 2.4.*
> I figure that the improvement is caused by one or more changes in
> (udev, hotplug, udevrules, hotplugblacklist, ??) during the upgrade.
> My question is: what should I backup to make sure that any
> future update-upgrade doesn't mess it again?
> 
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Hi Antonio,

What modules are needed for it?
check the dmesg and /var/log/messages logs. I suspect  that after udev
the proper modules are not getting loaded and thus the device is not
showing up. Either that or there may not be a udev rule for it. Also
maybe the device is showing up under a different name?
-Kev


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Re: don't remove kernel 2.4 or bye-bye ppp, alsa

[Kevin Mark]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 02:02:41PM +0200, John L Fjellstad wrote:
> Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > this may be unrelated, but I started using 2.6 and recently added UDEV.
> > UDEV at the current time does not make a /dev/ppp, so I have to manually
> > use MKNOD to create this before I can dial with my modem.
> 
> Which udev version is this, because I use the original (non-Debian)
> version, and as far back as udev 0.25 this has been fixed.
> 
> Running 2.6.7 on my server.  Make sure that /sys/class/ppp/ppp gets
> created (it has everything to do with sysfs and not udev actually). 
> 
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debian bin. kernel and udev
ii  udev   0.030-1/dev/ management daemon
package.
I did 'find /sys |grep ppp' and it got: 
/sys/cdev/major/ppp
Is this what I should alias to /dev/ppp ?
Thank,
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GUI Database?

[Ed Sutherland]

I'm one of those persons switching from a major desktop (OS X) to Linux 
(the PPC version of Debian's distro.) I want something like Filemaker 
Pro. I know there is MySQL, but frankly, the difficulty level makes me 
want to just run and hide in a corner. :) Is there a simple alternative? 
Thanks.

Ed
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Re: the Packages files should get to mirrors last -- no swarthy emails

[Dan Jacobson]

How entertaining, responding to an email, I was blocked, being from an
"unwashed" country.

They send to me, and then when I reply to them, "Sorry sir, swarthy
countries aren't allowed."

<<< 550-All mail from countries with no known correspondents to users at this site
<<< 550-is rejected.  Please see http://ursine.ca/article.pl?sid=04/06/26/239204 or
<<< 550 contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information.
550 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... User unknown
Reporting-MTA: dns; smtp3.apol.com.tw

OK, I'll check the URLs later. Just thought it was entertaining.

Wait! I'm one of you, check the name, check the website photo, see,
I'm just like your, I'm just located in the land of Them, wait wait
please give me another chance!  I can prove it, we've got the same
goals and values, see, I can recite the Pledge of Allegiance, Mary had
a Little Lamb, etc. Remember Rocky and Bullwinkle on TV? No no no
don't deport my email

Me?  I am careful not to deliver faces slaps no matter how swarthy:
http://jidanni.org/comp/spam/index_en.html At worst they would get no
reply, auto or not.

Oh, the message:
From: Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the Packages files should get to mirrors last
To: Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Paul> That's nice, but debian-user isn't the place for such complaints.
Paul> Nobody on debian-user can help you with that.

I wanted to also warn those who one day would be up at that hour.


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Re: Combining images?

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 11:06:19PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> I am using a flatbed scanner to grab some magazine articles.  There are
> pages where a picture(s) spans both facing pages.  Since I must scan
> one page at a time, I am looking for a way to combine these images so
> they are side by side in a new file, i.e. the left side of the second
> image merged to the right side of the first image.  Playing with the
> Gimp and looking through its manuals have exhausted all the obvious
> clues.  Perhaps the Gimp is the wrong program here as what I want to do
> seems to be too basic for its authors or I am too dumb.

Try copy and paste.  However you will need to rotate the images first so
they line up. You can use the Transform tool to do that.


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Combining images?

[Nate Bargmann]

This is likely OT, but I'm sure someone can point me in the right
direction.  Since I'm not a graphics wiz, I'm not getting any useful
results out of Google.  Here is what I want to do.

I am using a flatbed scanner to grab some magazine articles.  There are
pages where a picture(s) spans both facing pages.  Since I must scan
one page at a time, I am looking for a way to combine these images so
they are side by side in a new file, i.e. the left side of the second
image merged to the right side of the first image.  Playing with the
Gimp and looking through its manuals have exhausted all the obvious
clues.  Perhaps the Gimp is the wrong program here as what I want to do
seems to be too basic for its authors or I am too dumb.

Ideas?

- Nate >>

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Re: ftping files >2GB

[Ben]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 09:17:16 -0700, I wrote:

%Hi all, I am new to this list.
%
%I have been struggling with a problem of ftping a couple of larger
%than 2GB files from my old *bsd web server to my new Debian-based
%system.
%
%I seem to be hitting the 2GB limit with both ftp (ftp login to the
%other machine, wu-ftpd and openbsd-ftpd (ftp login from the other
%machine).

I managed to modify ftp to handle large files.

Modified source and binary are here:

http://www.svgeek.com/linux/

Thanks Stefan for the help!

Ben

Re: cpufreqd died

[Jacob S.]

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 01:11:26 +0200
Dirk Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> since some days, cpufreqd seems to stop running when syslog is being 
> restarted (every night via cron). I have entries from cpufreqd in 
> syslog.0 (after restart) but syslog (used after restart) does not 
> contain any of these. cpufreqd is, according to ps, although not
> running anymore and the scaling governor last used keeps set.
> 
> Any suggestions what could be the problem?

Some programs don't handle the logfile rotation very well. You may want
to look into the prerotate and postrotate commands for logrotate (to
shut down and restart cpufreqd before and after the rotation occurs).

HTH,
Jacob

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Re: howto add xfree86

[mk2]

On Wednesday 18 August 2004 11:05 pm, Paul Johnson wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > i installed Woody 3.0 r2 on my computer, then download
> > xfree86-4.3-JoeyHess (about 150MB).
> >
> > Howto add that package into my Debian to run X?
>
> dpkg -i 
>
> If you want to do anything more specific, check the manual.
> http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww?type=man&location=/usr/share/man/man8/dpkg.8.
>gz

Hi Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> !
Hi Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> !


I just found my mistake in editing /etc/apt/sources.list. That is :

deb file:/home/deb/00/xfree86-4.3 woody main ===>(error)
deb file:/home/deb/00//xfree86-4.3 woody main ===>(OK)
^
|
 
After adding "/" , apt-get update run smoothly and I copy XF86Config-4
from my current Knoppix 3.4 then run Woody  X  ok.

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Re: Wrong interpretation og '\$' by bash?

[Nicholas Lativy]

On Sun, Aug 22, 2004 at 02:10:50AM -0700, Daniel M. wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I have the following lines in ~/.bash_prompt (for all users):
> 
> PS1="\[\033]0;\$\w/\007\]\$\w/: "

I tried this here and got the same as you report, a "$" for root
instead of the expected "#". Then I used:

PS1='\[\033]0;\$\w/\007\]\$\w/: '

and that worked! I played about a bit and consistently the latter
quoting style produced the expected result but the former did not. I
have no idea why this is (a bug?) but just thought I'd point it out so
you can try and see if using '...' instead of "..." will work for you.

Fingers crossed. :-)

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Xterm, Schmexterm

[John Lowell]

OK, besides the challenge of learning the Debian way of handling fonts, 
I've run into something about the way xterm operates in Debian that is 
rather puzzling. I've got a very simple setup here, the base packages, 
the x window system, fluxbox, a system monitor, lynx which I use 
primarily for downloading purposes, and firefox. I've edited ~/.bashrc 
to provide colorizing and a prompt with which I'm comfortable. After 
copying the appropriate system file over to ~/.fluxbox/menu and editing 
~/.fluxbox/init as suggested, I edited the xterm line of ~/.fluxbox/menu 
to show

[exec]  (xterm)  {xterm -fn 8x13}
so that I wouldn't have to squint. However, if I enter a particularly 
long command, the program doesn't do the wrap-around properly. As it 
enters the new line it shows the prompt again - which it shouldn't, of 
course - and it erases it as the command continues on to completion. 
I've never seen xterm behave in this way on any of the many distros with 
which I've experimented over the last several years. I've tried 
including the commandline -aw option without an effect, at least at the 
level of the second line. I'm baffled. What's going on here, can anyone 
help?

jlowell
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Re: Wrong interpretation og '\$' by bash?

[Oliver Elphick]

On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 10:10, Daniel M. wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I have the following lines in ~/.bash_prompt (for all users):
> 
> --
> # set prompt and window title (if running in X terminal)
> 
> case $TERM in
>   xterm*)
>   PS1="\[\033]0;\$\w/\007\]\$\w/: "
>   ;;
>   *)
>   PS1="\$\w/: "
>   ;;
> esac
> --
> 
> The problem is, that when I log in as a root, '$' is displayed
> instead of '#'.
> 
> Why is that so - '\$' is supposed to display '#' if the effective 
> uid is 0, and how it can be corrected?

Quoting, I think.

Because you are using double quotes, the backslash is being interpreted
by the shell as an escape character, as if you  were specifying a
literal dollar sign.  Use single quotes instead.

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Re: Motherboard recommendation?

[John Floren]

Michael Rumpf wrote:
Hi,
I'm about to buy a new motherboard. Can anyone recommend a board that is
known to work well with free software drivers. I just don't want to buy
another board and find myself disabling most of the features as they
don't work under Linux.
Thanks,
   Michael
I just upgraded to an ABIT NF7 mobo; it is working well for me.  I have 
not configured the onboard sound yet, but the onboard ethernet works 
fine, all my hardware is working properly.  The NF7 came highly 
recommended to me, I would suggest you take a look as well.
Cheers

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How to stop PCI probe of /deb/hdc at boot?

[Lance Hoffmeyer]

Running Sarge with Grub, Debian kernel image 2.6.8-k7-smp
I don't have anything attached to /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd
but they are getting probed none the less.  Adds about an
extra 30 seconds to my boot process.  Is there a way to stop
this?
hda: SONY CD-RW CRX220E1, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdb: ATAPI DVD-ROM 16X, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
Using anticipatory io scheduler
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
hdc: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)
hdc: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)
hdc: no response (status = 0x0a), resetting drive
hdc: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)
hdc: no response (status = 0x0a)
hdd: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)
hdd: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)
hdd: no response (status = 0x0a), resetting drive
hdd: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)
hdd: no response (status = 0x0a)
PDC20276: IDE controller at PCI slot :02:08.0
ACPI: PCI interrupt :02:08.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 193
PDC20276: chipset revision 1
PDC20276: 100% native mode on irq 193
   ide2: BM-DMA at 0xb400-0xb407, BIOS settings: hde:pio, hdf:pio
   ide3: BM-DMA at 0xb408-0xb40f, BIOS settings: hdg:pio, hdh:pio
hde: WDC WD1200JB-00CRA1, ATA DISK drive
hdf: WDC WD1200JB-00CRA1, ATA DISK drive
ide2 at 0xa400-0xa407,0xa802 on irq 193
hde: max request size: 128KiB
hde: 234441648 sectors (120034 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, 
UDMA(100)
/dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 p2 p3
hdf: max request size: 128KiB
hdf: 234441648 sectors (120034 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, 
UDMA(100)
/dev/ide/host2/bus0/target1/lun0: p1 p2 p3
hdc: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)
hdc: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)
hdc: no response (status = 0x0a), resetting drive
hdc: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)
hdc: no response (status = 0x0a)
hdd: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)
hdd: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)
hdd: no response (status = 0x0a), resetting drive
hdd: IRQ probe failed (0xbdfc)

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Wrong interpretation og '\$' by bash?

[Daniel M .]

Hello everybody,

I have the following lines in ~/.bash_prompt (for all users):

--
# set prompt and window title (if running in X terminal)

case $TERM in
xterm*)
PS1="\[\033]0;\$\w/\007\]\$\w/: "
;;
*)
PS1="\$\w/: "
;;
esac
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The problem is, that when I log in as a root, '$' is displayed
instead of '#'.

Why is that so - '\$' is supposed to display '#' if the effective 
uid is 0, and how it can be corrected?

Daniel.



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cpufreqd died

[Dirk Reiss]

Hello all,
since some days, cpufreqd seems to stop running when syslog is being 
restarted (every night via cron). I have entries from cpufreqd in 
syslog.0 (after restart) but syslog (used after restart) does not 
contain any of these. cpufreqd is, according to ps, although not running 
anymore and the scaling governor last used keeps set.

Any suggestions what could be the problem?
Many thanks in advance,
Dirk
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Re: howto add xfree86

[maikhai]

On Wednesday 18 August 2004 11:05 pm, Paul Johnson wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > i installed Woody 3.0 r2 on my computer, then download
> > xfree86-4.3-JoeyHess (about 150MB).
> >
> > Howto add that package into my Debian to run X?
>
> dpkg -i 
>
> If you want to do anything more specific, check the manual.
> http://ursine.ca/cgi-bin/dwww?type=man&location=/usr/share/man/man8/dpkg.8.
>gz

Hi Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> !
Hi Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> !


I just found my mistake in editing /etc/apt/sources.list. That is :

deb file:/home/deb/00/xfree86-4.3 woody main ===>(error)
deb file:/home/deb/00//xfree86-4.3 woody main ===>(OK)
^
|
 
After adding "/" , apt-get update run smoothly and I copy XF86Config-4
from my current Knoppix 3.4 then run Woody  X  ok.

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Re: 200GB firewire drives and bios drive size limits

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 10:46:24AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> Alexander Schmehl wrote:
> 
> >Well, I didn't tried it myself, but I guess a machine which is recent
> >enough to support firewire should be modern enough to support large
> >drives.
> 
> Nothing prevents you from getting a firewire 800 card and puttting it in 
> your old Pentium 60:-)

ISA cards are hard to come by these days - everything seems to be PCI or
AGP... Would your (hypothetical?) old Pentium 60 have any PCI slots?

[Just curious]
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Motherboard recommendation?

[Michael Rumpf]

Hi,

I'm about to buy a new motherboard. Can anyone recommend a board that is
known to work well with free software drivers. I just don't want to buy
another board and find myself disabling most of the features as they
don't work under Linux.

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iptables practical guide ?

[Glyn Tebbutt]

Hi All

Im researching iptables, as when my laptop is disconnected from my
network i have no real security ive found this guide
http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Networks/Firewall_Installation.html but its
for ipchains, does anyone know of a guide that overs the same ideas, ive
read the man pages but i want a guide that shows the practical use of
the iptables for say block connections i didnt request etc. I could use
firestarter but i would really like to learn this the proper way.
Thanks in advance

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> ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 
> 
> debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2004 : Issue 938
> 
> Today's Topics:
>   Re: perl module --> debian package n  [ John
> Harrold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: Debian Linux on a mac?[ Joerg
> Rossdeutscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Sid and security  [ John
> Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: perl module --> debian package n  [ "Jacob S."
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>   Re: OT: merge two files   [ Nicholas
> Lativy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: how to connect two PC's with a c  [ Bram
> Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Debian Linux on a mac?[ "Jacob S."
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: how to connect two PC's with a c  [ Christoph
> Wegscheider <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: how to connect two PC's with a c  [ John
> Floren <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: how to connect two PC's with a c  [ Bram
> Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: apt-get GDM   [ Nicholas
> Lativy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   apt-get GDM   [ "Craig
> Dunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: how to connect two PC's with a c  [ Jon
> Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: apt-get GDM   [ Amir Tal
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>   "Hide all windows" icon broken in si  [ Nitebirdz
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: TV-Karte unter debian [ Jon
> Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
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> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:25:14 -0400
> From: John Harrold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: perl module --> debian package name
> 
> Sometime in August Jacob S. assaulted the keyboard
> and produced:
> 
> | I agree it can be a little confusing at times.
> | 
> | A quick search on packages.debian.org for
> "date::format" returned the
> | following:
> | 
> | usr/share/man/man3/Date::Format.3pm.gz -
> interpreters/libtimedate-perl
> 
> So is this the defacto way of doing this? The only
> reason I ask is because
> 'apt-cache search date::format' returned nothing for
> me. I've migraged all
> of our servers over to Debian, and I'm very pleased
> with it. Though, I'm
> not yet familiar with all of the nuances.
> 
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> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:03:53 +0200
> From: Joerg Rossdeutscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Debian Linux on a mac?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 19.08.2004, 21:33 -0400 schrieb
> S.D.A.:
> > I'm going to attempt installing Sarge on my
> brother's G3 beige (old world), this
> > weekend. Were you able to boot directly from the
> cd, or did you need to boot
> > from floppy? Any pointers welcome -- I'm in the
> process of reading the Debian
> > Mac install instructions, but pointers always
> welcome.
> 
> Beige G3 firmware is kind of broken. Some people
> claim to have managed
> to boot from it - I didn't manage in days, like most
> users. There is a
> small extension program for Mac OS 9 to boot linux.
> Sorry, forgot the
> name... You can boot Mac OS 9, but nearly
> immediately it hands over to
> linux.
> 
> This is not pretty, but IMHO the best way to handle
> linux on a beige G3.
> Interesting enough this problem does not occur on
> *older* machines, I am
> also running some 7200 and 7600. Newer machines
> aren't affected anyway,
> since they are "newworld".
> 
> Bye, Ratti
> 
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> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:09:57 -0500
> From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Sid and security
> 
> Oliver Elphick writes:
> > The patch must be limited to the security
> features.
> 
> > Nothing from sid (unstable) ever goes into woody
> (stable), only into
> > sarge (testing) which is soon to become the new
> stable.
> 
> I 

idotdist service port

[Tony Uceda Velez]

Anyone know what the purpose of this port is used for?  (port number
associated with it is 2590).  Minimal results pertaining to purpose on the
web besides some vulnerabilities regarding viruses using this port on a
network.  Curious to know what the intended use of this service is.

Many thanks.

Tony UcedaVélez

Re: Debian Linux on a mac?

[S.D.A.]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:03:53PM +0200 or thereabouts, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 19.08.2004, 21:33 -0400 schrieb S.D.A.:
> > I'm going to attempt installing Sarge on my brother's G3 beige (old world), this
> > weekend. Were you able to boot directly from the cd, or did you need to boot
> > from floppy? Any pointers welcome -- I'm in the process of reading the Debian
> > Mac install instructions, but pointers always welcome.
> 
> Beige G3 firmware is kind of broken. Some people claim to have managed
> to boot from it - I didn't manage in days, like most users. There is a
> small extension program for Mac OS 9 to boot linux. Sorry, forgot the
> name... You can boot Mac OS 9, but nearly immediately it hands over to
> linux.

Aha! You're probably referring to BootX? My brother, doesn't have MacOS 9 on
that box, so looks like we'll be installing it. Thanks!

> This is not pretty, but IMHO the best way to handle linux on a beige G3.
> Interesting enough this problem does not occur on *older* machines, I am
> also running some 7200 and 7600. Newer machines aren't affected anyway,
> since they are "newworld".

Interesting.


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Re: LDAP and sudo playing nicely

[Mikael Magnusson]

Stephen Touset wrote / skrev:
Is there any way in Debian to get Sudo to check an LDAP server rather
than the /etc/sudoers file? I've checked Google, but nothing indicates
towards Debian having this support. I've also tried some obvious
guesses, like putting a sudoers line in /etc/nsswitch.conf, all to no
avail.
Can this be done?
Before I forget, this is on Sarge.
The current version 1.6.8 of sudo supports it, but the version in 
testing and unstable is currently 1.6.7p5.

From http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/current.html
"Major changes from version 1.6.7p5 to 1.6.8:
* Sudo now supports storing sudoers info in LDAP (optionally using 
TLS)."

/Mikael
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Re: how to connect two PC's with a cross-over ethernet cable?

[Bram Mertens]

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 22:37, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:06:27 +0200, Bram Merte
> > I have a cross-over ethernet-cable and I would like to be able to
> > configure both computers so I can switch between the current setup and
> > the necessary configuration to transfer files across the cross-over
> > ethernet cable.
> 
> I am presuming that you want to use the same interface for this
> specific purpose as one which is already employed for some other
> purpose currently.

Indeed, both my desktop and my laptop currently contain an ethernet-card
which I connect to my DSL-modem in order to access the net.  I want to
connect these two ethernet cards with each other using the cross-over
cable.

> > How do I know which files contain the current configuration?
> 
> /etc/network/interfaces contains the network configurations

I assume you are experiencing some delays on this list, I posted my
/etc/network/interfaces* files a couple of minutes ago.

> > How do I configure my laptop to be able to use the cross-over
> > connection?
> 
> An entry like the following would do
> 
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 192.168.3.1 
> netmask 255.255.255.0

Thanks its reassuring to see the same solution posted by two different
persons!

> ..but presumably would need to replace an existing entry for your
> current use. Switching manually between the two is possible by
> commenting out one of them and issuing /etc/init.d/networking restart.
> However that is a fairly longwinded approach.

At the moment /etc/network/interfaces contains an entry like:
iface eth0 inet dhcp

Will I have to switch between this line and the lines you suggested (and
issue the restart command you mentioned) or can I use my PPPoE
configuration with the above lines as well?

> A better solution is to use logical interface names aka interface
> aliasing. The details are described in manpage interfaces(5) ; the
> mapping 'eth0-home' would probably be what you wanted for transfers,
> and 'eth0-work' for normal usage (or whatever you currently have).

So you would suggest the following /etc/network/interfaces:
auto lo eth0

iface lo inet loopback

iface eth0-lan inet static
192.168.3.1
255.255.255.0

iface eth0-wan inet dhcp

> Sorry I can't be more precice about the mechanics here because I
> haven't used it personally, but I think this is probably the simplest
> approach which doesn't involve spending more money.

Can you tell me if this would require additional changes to my PPPoE
config?

I can't seem to find how pppd starts the connection.  (I mean I can't
figure out wheter or not it calls ifup.)

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Re: Enscript overlap

[hank]

Dumb user error.   I needed to select a variable width font and all was
well "-fHelvetica6"

Sorry for the needless traffic.

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 03:27:26PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This could just be stupid user error, but I figure I'll ask ... 
> 
> I'm running unstable and trying to use enscript to print some text
> files.
> 
> enscript  works fine, but any variant of 2Up or multi-column
> output produces overlaps between the pages or columns; almost like a
> margin or column definition setting isn't working.   Examples being:
> 
> enscript -2Gr -o outfile.ps somefile.txt
> enscript -U2r -o outfile.ps somefile.txt
> enscript -3G -o outfile.ps somefile.txt
> 
> Overlap is present direct to printer and out to file (as shown above)`
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
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Re: apt-get GDM

[Nicholas Lativy]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 08:18:47PM +, Craig Dunn wrote:
> Is it possible to tell apt-get to download all of the necessary deb files 
> first and then perform the installation only when it has what it needs?

Yes, apt-get has the "--download-only" option for this. From 'man apt-get':

-d, --download-only
Download only; package files are only retrieved, not unpacked or
installed. Configuration Item: APT::Get::Download-Only.

Although I think that the default behaviour is what you need anyway. If
I recall correctly by default apt-get does all the downloading first
anyway so it will stop when your connection cuts out with an error but
you can then just run the command again and it will pick up where it
left off.

Hope that helped. :-)

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squid config

[messmate]

Hello,
i've installed squid on my debian-router + 
gshied (firewall).
I changed de default squid config as follows:
httpd_accel_host virtual
httpd_accel_with_proxy on
httpd_accel__host_header on
The rest are the defaults.
That's all.
Of course my connections to the net are refused !
So what did i wrong ?
And how do i configure my navigator mozilla FOR THIS ?
Any help would be very appreciated.
mess-mate


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Enscript overlap

[hank]

This could just be stupid user error, but I figure I'll ask ... 

I'm running unstable and trying to use enscript to print some text
files.

enscript  works fine, but any variant of 2Up or multi-column
output produces overlaps between the pages or columns; almost like a
margin or column definition setting isn't working.   Examples being:

enscript -2Gr -o outfile.ps somefile.txt
enscript -U2r -o outfile.ps somefile.txt
enscript -3G -o outfile.ps somefile.txt

Overlap is present direct to printer and out to file (as shown above)`

What am I missing?


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Re: test

[Jon Dowland]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 17:15:49 +0200, Dirk Weckerlei
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello list!
> sorry. my last mail was in german. i just forgot, that the written
> language here is in english. Besides that, did anyone read my last mail
> about the tv-card problem I got?
> dirk

Hi - I read it and answered as best as possible but I couldn't fully
understand your problem as my german was a little rusty. Could you
re-iterate in english? Cheers :)

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Re: TV-Karte unter debian

[Jon Dowland]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 16:55:24 +0200, dirk weckerlei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hallo Liste!

Guten tag - mein deutch ist nicht so gut, aber bitte schreiben auf
english fur debian-user. Du kannst schrieben auf deutch fur
debian-user-german.

But - to answer as best as I can in english - I'd recommend checking
to see if your card is supported under video4linux2 at bytesex.org and
grabbing the v4l2 patches if so. Build a fresh kernel with those. For
applications I'd recommend tvtime.


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"Hide all windows" icon broken in sid's GNOME?

[Nitebirdz]

Hi,

I'm running Debian unstable, and since a few weeks back the "hide all
windows" button in GNOME does appear to work but it shows a broken icon.
In other words, it is there, but it only shows a blank document with a
red x inside instead of the old icon.  I already tried moving the gnome 
and gconf configuration files out of the way so they could be recreated
but nothing changed.  Any ideas?  Is this a bug?  I searched in Google, 
although perhaps I didn't find the right combination of keywords to find
the solution to this.



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Re: apt-get GDM

[Amir Tal]

-d  Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives
besides, even if it dies half way, apt will know how to continue from 
where is stopped
according to the files in /var/cache/apt/archives.

=
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Craig Dunn wrote:
Hi,
I'v recently installed Debian on my system.  The current version of 
GDM that I have is 2.2 and I would like to upgrade it to 2.4.  I 
understand that I can use apt-get to do this.  The trouble is I only 
have a dialup Internet connection, which gets cut off after 2 hours.  
And I'm guessing that downloading all of the necessary GDM files will 
take more than 2 hours.  So, if I start the download process using 
apt-get and it gets cut-off halfway through, will I be able to 
continue the installation process once I reconnect to the Internet?  
I'm worried that if the installation process stops halfway, my Linux 
system will be messed up.

Is it possible to tell apt-get to download all of the necessary deb 
files first and then perform the installation only when it has what it 
needs?

Thanks for any advice,
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Re: how to connect two PC's with a cross-over ethernet cable?

[Jon Dowland]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 11:06:27 +0200, Bram Merte
> I have a cross-over ethernet-cable and I would like to be able to
> configure both computers so I can switch between the current setup and
> the necessary configuration to transfer files across the cross-over
> ethernet cable.

I am presuming that you want to use the same interface for this
specific purpose as one which is already employed for some other
purpose currently.

> How do I know which files contain the current configuration?

/etc/network/interfaces contains the network configurations

> How do I configure my laptop to be able to use the cross-over
> connection?

An entry like the following would do

iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.3.1 
netmask 255.255.255.0

..but presumably would need to replace an existing entry for your
current use. Switching manually between the two is possible by
commenting out one of them and issuing /etc/init.d/networking restart.
However that is a fairly longwinded approach.

A better solution is to use logical interface names aka interface
aliasing. The details are described in manpage interfaces(5) ; the
mapping 'eth0-home' would probably be what you wanted for transfers,
and 'eth0-work' for normal usage (or whatever you currently have).

Sorry I can't be more precice about the mechanics here because I
haven't used it personally, but I think this is probably the simplest
approach which doesn't involve spending more money.

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apt-get GDM

[Craig Dunn]

Hi,
I'v recently installed Debian on my system.  The current version of GDM that 
I have is 2.2 and I would like to upgrade it to 2.4.  I understand that I 
can use apt-get to do this.  The trouble is I only have a dialup Internet 
connection, which gets cut off after 2 hours.  And I'm guessing that 
downloading all of the necessary GDM files will take more than 2 hours.  So, 
if I start the download process using apt-get and it gets cut-off halfway 
through, will I be able to continue the installation process once I 
reconnect to the Internet?  I'm worried that if the installation process 
stops halfway, my Linux system will be messed up.

Is it possible to tell apt-get to download all of the necessary deb files 
first and then perform the installation only when it has what it needs?

Thanks for any advice,
Craig
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Re: how to connect two PC's with a cross-over ethernet cable?

[Bram Mertens]

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 22:08, John Floren wrote:
> Bram Mertens wrote:
[...]
> Here is what I would do if I had two computer connected by crossover and 
> a ppp connection to the internet:
> /etc/network/interfaces:
> auto lo eth0
> 
> iface lo inet loopback
> 
> iface eth0 inet static
>  address 192.168.1.1
>  netmask 255.255.255.0
>  broadcast 192.168.1.255

Why do I need to add the broadcast address?

Can the ppp0 configuration be left out because I can use pon
dsl-provider to achie the same as ifup ppp0 in my example?

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Re: Debian Linux on a mac?

[Jacob S.]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:03:53 +0200
Joerg Rossdeutscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 19.08.2004, 21:33 -0400 schrieb S.D.A.:
> > I'm going to attempt installing Sarge on my brother's G3 beige (old
> > world), this weekend. Were you able to boot directly from the cd, or
> > did you need to boot from floppy? Any pointers welcome -- I'm in the
> > process of reading the Debian Mac install instructions, but pointers
> > always welcome.
> 
> Beige G3 firmware is kind of broken. Some people claim to have managed
> to boot from it - I didn't manage in days, like most users. There is a
> small extension program for Mac OS 9 to boot linux. Sorry, forgot the
> name... You can boot Mac OS 9, but nearly immediately it hands over to
> linux.

Not the original poster, but you've sparked my curiosity now.

Does this extension only work for Beige G3s or does it also work with
B&W G3s? Does it require v. 9 or will it work with 8.6 too?

Oh, and do you have links to the extension or sources for the same?

Thanks,
Jacob

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Re: OT: merge two files

[Nicholas Lativy]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:42:15AM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> I want to merge the contents of one file with the bottom X lines of 
> another. This works:
> 
> cat file1 > EndResultFile && tail +20 file2 >> EndResultFile
> 
> Is this adequate, or is there a better way to do it?

Well I don't know if it's "better" but you could do it in less
characters if you use a command group, ie

(cat file1 && tail +20 file2) > EndResultFile

Also doesn't "+20" give you line 20 and everything after it? So for 
"the bottom X lines" you would want "-n X" or simply "-X".

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Re: perl module --> debian package name

[Jacob S.]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 15:25:14 -0400
John Harrold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sometime in August Jacob S. assaulted the keyboard and produced:
> 
> | I agree it can be a little confusing at times.
> | 
> | A quick search on packages.debian.org for "date::format" returned
> the| following:
> | 
> | usr/share/man/man3/Date::Format.3pm.gz -
> interpreters/libtimedate-perl
> 
> So is this the defacto way of doing this? The only reason I ask is
> because'apt-cache search date::format' returned nothing for me. I've
> migraged all of our servers over to Debian, and I'm very pleased with
> it. Though, I'm not yet familiar with all of the nuances.

No, it's simply one way of doing things. When searching for package
names, I prefer apt-cache search to using the web interface. When
searching for filenames in packages that are already installed, I like
dpkg -S. It looks like apt-file would replace my use of the website
above, I just haven't played with it yet.

As I said though, those are just my preferences. There's almost always 3
or 4 ways of doing things in Debian.

HTH,
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Re: how to connect two PC's with a cross-over ethernet cable?

[John Floren]

Bram Mertens wrote:
I suppose I will have to create a file /etc/network/interfaces that
contains:
--- new /etc/network/interfaces --
auto lo eth0
iface lo inet loopback
iface eth0 inet static
192.168.0.1
255.255.255.0
iface ppp0 inet ppp
provider dsl-provider
Here is what I would do if I had two computer connected by crossover and 
a ppp connection to the internet:
/etc/network/interfaces:
auto lo eth0

iface lo inet loopback
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.1.1
netmask 255.255.255.0
broadcast 192.168.1.255
This has worked for me in the past.
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Re: how to connect two PC's with a cross-over ethernet cable?

[Christoph Wegscheider]

Bram Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2.) Buy a hub/switch (~ EUR 20+) connect everything to the switch and 
>> 2.1) either setup the Desktop as Router like above or
>> 2.2) open seperatly PPP connection from the Desktop and Notebook
>> 
>>   +--+  +---+
>> Modem --- |Switch|  |Desktop|
>>   +--+  +---+
>>  |
>>|
>>|
>>|
>>   +--+
>>   |Laptop|
>> +--+
>> 
>> 
>> Of course the second methode is more flexible if more Computers are
>> likely to be connected in the future.
> 
> Solution 2.2 is more flexible, but doesn't it require two IP-adressess
> from the ISP?  If so this option isn't suitable for me without getting a
> more expensive contract with my ISP.
Not if you connect only one computer at a time. Otherwise you are right.

Btw. you could also achieve the second topology (star) if you let the
desktop "emulate" a switch. This can be done with bridgeing: a virtual
network dev is defined with an IP address in the same subnet as modem
and laptop (the real network devs have no IP). All iincoming traffic
from eth0 is passed to eth1 and vice verse. (Simplified)


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Re: Debian Linux on a mac?

[Joerg Rossdeutscher]

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 19.08.2004, 21:33 -0400 schrieb S.D.A.:
> I'm going to attempt installing Sarge on my brother's G3 beige (old world), this
> weekend. Were you able to boot directly from the cd, or did you need to boot
> from floppy? Any pointers welcome -- I'm in the process of reading the Debian
> Mac install instructions, but pointers always welcome.

Beige G3 firmware is kind of broken. Some people claim to have managed
to boot from it - I didn't manage in days, like most users. There is a
small extension program for Mac OS 9 to boot linux. Sorry, forgot the
name... You can boot Mac OS 9, but nearly immediately it hands over to
linux.

This is not pretty, but IMHO the best way to handle linux on a beige G3.
Interesting enough this problem does not occur on *older* machines, I am
also running some 7200 and 7600. Newer machines aren't affected anyway,
since they are "newworld".

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Re: perl module --> debian package name

[John Harrold]

Sometime in August Jacob S. assaulted the keyboard and produced:

| I agree it can be a little confusing at times.
| 
| A quick search on packages.debian.org for "date::format" returned the
| following:
| 
| usr/share/man/man3/Date::Format.3pm.gz - interpreters/libtimedate-perl

So is this the defacto way of doing this? The only reason I ask is because
'apt-cache search date::format' returned nothing for me. I've migraged all
of our servers over to Debian, and I'm very pleased with it. Though, I'm
not yet familiar with all of the nuances.

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Re: how to connect two PC's with a cross-over ethernet cable?

[Bram Mertens]

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 15:25, Paolo Alexis Falcone wrote:
[...]
> > But how can I save my current settings so I can quickly restore them?
> 
> /etc/network/interfaces is your solution.

Thanks

But can you break it down for me please?

At the moment I have several files in /etc/networks (I have been messing
around with etherconf too much I'm afraid):
--- /etc/network/interfaces ---
### etherconf DEBCONF AREA. DO NOT EDIT THIS AREA OR INSERT TEXT BEFORE IT.
auto lo eth0

iface lo inet loopback

iface eth0 inet dhcp

### END OF DEBCONF AREA.  PLACE YOUR EDITS BELOW; THEY WILL BE PRESERVED.
--- EOF ---

[/etc/network/interfaces.1 and /etc/network/interfaces.3 are identical
to /etc/network/interfaces ]

--- /etc/network/interfaces.2 ---
### etherconf DEBCONF AREA. DO NOT EDIT THIS AREA OR INSERT TEXT BEFORE IT.
auto lo eth0

iface lo inet loopback

iface eth0 inet static
address 
netmask 
broadcast 

### END OF DEBCONF AREA.  PLACE YOUR EDITS BELOW; THEY WILL BE PRESERVED.
--- EOF ---

--- /etc/network/interfaces.4 ---
### etherconf DEBCONF AREA. DO NOT EDIT THIS AREA OR INSERT TEXT BEFORE IT.
auto lo eth0 eth1

iface lo inet loopback

iface eth0 inet dhcp

iface eth1 inet dhcp

### END OF DEBCONF AREA.  PLACE YOUR EDITS BELOW; THEY WILL BE PRESERVED.
--- EOF ---

--- /etc/network/interfaces.pre-etherconf ---
# Used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8). See the interfaces(5) manpage or
# /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples for more information.
--- EOF ---
[This obviously doesn't do much but I included it to provide as much
info as I could gather.]

I suppose I will have to create a file /etc/network/interfaces that
contains:
--- new /etc/network/interfaces --
auto lo eth0

iface lo inet loopback

iface eth0 inet static
192.168.0.1
255.255.255.0

iface ppp0 inet ppp
provider dsl-provider
--- EOF --

So I can call ifup eth0 for the "cross-over connection" and ifup ppp0
for the PPPoE connection I have configured already.

Does this look right?

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Re: Sid and security

[John Hasler]

Oliver Elphick writes:
> The patch must be limited to the security features.

> Nothing from sid (unstable) ever goes into woody (stable), only into
> sarge (testing) which is soon to become the new stable.

I don't see that he implied otherwise.
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Re: perl module --> debian package name

[Greg Folkert]

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 12:12 -0400, John Harrold wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I was trying to run a perl script on a Debian box and it kept complaining
> that I didn't have the right perl module installed (in this case
> the Date::Format module). Typically typically I can look through the
> available packages with 'apt-cache search' and find the correct debian
> package to install. In this case the name of the package was
> 'libtimedate-perl' --- which isnt obvious given all of the other packages
> with 'date' in them. So I was wondering if there was something out there
> that maps perl modules to the Debian package that provides them. Perhaps I
> just need to be more creative when using apt-cache.


1. apt-get install dh-make-perl
2. man dh-make-perl
3. Do the magic that exists within dh-make-perl
4. ...
5. ... PROFIT!

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Re: Sid and security

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 12:27:21PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Someone finds hole and notifies maintainer and/or security team.
> Security is notified if they don't know already.
> Maintainer is notified if he doesn't know already.
> Security team and/or maintainer fixes hole.
> Security team NMU's stable-proposed-updates.
> Maintainer uploads fixed version to Unstable, perhaps before security team
> fixes Stable.
> 
> Often the fix for Unstable is to upload the new, fixed upstream version.
> Sometimes the newer version that is already in Unstable doesn't have the
> hole.  The fix must be backported for Stable and so Stable can take longer
> to fix then Unstable.
> 
> Testing doesn't get fixed until the fixed version propagates to it from
> Unstable.

Thank you, it makes sense now.


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Re: how to connect two PC's with a cross-over ethernet cable?

[Bram Mertens]

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:54, Christoph Wegscheider wrote:
> Bram Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Don't I need a second ethernet card in my desktop when I buy a switch in
> > stead of a router?  When I'm going to buy new hardware I would like to
> > be able to 'share' my internet connection between the two computers and
> > have a permanent LAN.
> There are two possible setups:
> 
> 1.) Buy another ethernetcard and set up the Desktop as Router (NAT),
> this is the cheapest soloution (~ EUR 7).
> 
> PPP+---+ LAN   +--+
> Modem --- eth0 |Desktop| eth1 --- eth0 |Laptop|
>+---+   +--+ 

This is what I considered in the first place except that I am
considering to make the connection between the laptop and the desktop
wireless.  The laptop has a built-in WLAN card (Prism 802.11g).  However
I am still uncertain about the performance I should expect, between the
room where my desktop is placed and the room I (want to) use the laptop
mostly is my kitchen, and I have read in several places that the
performance of a wireless connection will drop dramatically when the
signal has to pass through several walls and even more when the signals
passes near a microwave-oven.  Unfortunately this is exactly the case in
my apartment.

> 2.) Buy a hub/switch (~ EUR 20+) connect everything to the switch and 
> 2.1) either setup the Desktop as Router like above or
> 2.2) open seperatly PPP connection from the Desktop and Notebook
> 
>   +--+  +---+
> Modem --- |Switch|  |Desktop|
>   +--+  +---+
>  |
>|
>|
>|
>   +--+
>   |Laptop|
> +--+
> 
> 
> Of course the second methode is more flexible if more Computers are
> likely to be connected in the future.

Solution 2.2 is more flexible, but doesn't it require two IP-adressess
from the ISP?  If so this option isn't suitable for me without getting a
more expensive contract with my ISP.

Thanks for the explanation!

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Re: Sid and security

[John Hasler]

Stefan O'Rear writes:
> Security team finds hole.
> Security team fixes hole.
> Security team NMU's woody-proposed-updates
> Security team contacts maintainer.
> Maintainer applies patch.
> Maintainer uploads to sid.

Someone finds hole and notifies maintainer and/or security team.
Security is notified if they don't know already.
Maintainer is notified if he doesn't know already.
Security team and/or maintainer fixes hole.
Security team NMU's stable-proposed-updates.
Maintainer uploads fixed version to Unstable, perhaps before security team
fixes Stable.

Often the fix for Unstable is to upload the new, fixed upstream version.
Sometimes the newer version that is already in Unstable doesn't have the
hole.  The fix must be backported for Stable and so Stable can take longer
to fix then Unstable.

Testing doesn't get fixed until the fixed version propagates to it from
Unstable.

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Apache2 problem with Include statements in apache2.conf

[B-Fly]

Hello,
Since yesterday I restarted apache2 and since then it didn't start anymore:
   iserver:/etc/apache2# /etc/init.d/apache2 start
   Starting web server: Apache2apache2: could not open document config
   file /etc/apache2/conf.d/\x88A\x0f\b\x90`\v\b\x01
I am currently running testing, but I got the same error when 
reinstalling apache2 from unstable (this error actually prevents apache2 
from installing).

I found some pages on the internet complaining about the error "could 
not open document config file", but none were very helpful. Am I the 
only one experiencing this problem? It seems to be related to "Include" 
statements in apache2.conf. As far as I know apache2 did not update in 
the last week or so I doubt whether the error is related to apache2 at 
all. Anybody any ideas?

Ronald
<<>>
I have to change a few "Includes" statements in 
/etc/apache2/apache2.conf (relevant part only):

   # Include generic snippets of statements
   ###Include /etc/apache2/conf.d
   Include /etc/apache2/conf.d/*
   # Include the virtual host configurations:
   ###Include /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
   Include /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/*
Both directories (/etc/apache2/conf.d/ and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/) 
exist, are empty, and the permissions seem OK.

   <>drwxr-xr-x8 root root  4096 2004-08-21 18:11 ./
   <>drwxr-xr-x  147 root root  8192 2004-08-21 18:33 ../
   <>-rw-r--r--1 root root 12423 2004-08-21 19:56 apache2.conf
   <>drwxr-xr-x2 root root  4096 2004-08-21 19:33 conf.d/
   <>-rw-r--r--1 root root 0 2004-08-21 18:09 httpd.conf
   <>drwxr-xr-x2 root root  4096 2004-08-21 18:09 mods-available/
   <>drwxr-xr-x2 root root  4096 2004-04-04 16:47 mods-enabled/
   <>-rw-r--r--1 root root10 2004-08-21 18:09 ports.conf
   <>drwxr-xr-x2 root root  4096 2004-08-21 18:09 sites-available/
   <>drwxr-xr-x2 root root  4096 2004-04-04 16:47 sites-enabled/
   <>drwxr-xr-x2 root root  4096 2004-04-04 16:47 ssl/
   <>
   <>./conf.d:
   <>total 8
   <>drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2004-08-21 19:33 ./
   <>drwxr-xr-x  8 root root 4096 2004-08-21 18:11 ../
   <>
   <><>./sites-enabled:
   <>total 8
   <>drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2004-04-04 16:47 ./
   <>drwxr-xr-x  8 root root 4096 2004-08-21 18:11 ../
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Re: Sid and security

[Oliver Elphick]

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:42, Stefan O'Rear wrote:
> Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding all this...
> 
> Security team finds hole.
> Security team fixes hole.
> Security team NMU's woody-proposed-updates (exactly what section doesn't
> really matter.)
> Security team contacts maintainer.
> Maintainer applies patch.
> Maintainer uploads to sid.

No.  Maintainer agrees patch with security team; security team upload
new woody package.  The patch must be limited to the security features.

Nothing from sid (unstable) ever goes into woody (stable), only into
sarge (testing) which is soon to become the new stable.
 
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Re: ftping files >2GB

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:17:16AM -0700, Ben wrote:
> ...
> Also, where can I get the source to ftp to rebuild it for LFS support?

MBOX_FORMAT_SUCKS From the debian archive, like this:

stefan:~$ dlocate /usr/bin/ftp  # What package is ftp in?
# Maybe alternatives...
stefan:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/ftp
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   21 Aug  2  2003 /usr/bin/ftp -> 
/etc/alternatives/ftp
stefan:~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/ftp
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   19 Aug  2  2003 /etc/alternatives/ftp -> 
/usr/bin/netkit-ftp
stefan:~$ dlocate /usr/bin/netkit-ftp   # Who provides netkit-ftp?
ftp: /usr/bin/netkit-ftp
stefan:~$ cd /usr/src/  # location doesn't really matter
You have new mail in /var/mail/stefan   # OT
stefan:/usr/src$ apt-get source ftp # <- THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Need to get 74.5kB of source archives.
Get:1 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main netkit-ftp 0.17-9 (dsc) [689B]
Get:2 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main netkit-ftp 0.17-9 (tar) [53.9kB]
Get:3 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main netkit-ftp 0.17-9 (diff) [19.9kB]
Fetched 74.5kB in 2s (27.7kB/s)
dpkg-source: extracting netkit-ftp in netkit-ftp-0.17
stefan:~$ 


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Re: perl module --> debian package name

[Jacob S.]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:12:11 -0400
John Harrold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> I was trying to run a perl script on a Debian box and it kept
> complaining that I didn't have the right perl module installed (in
> this case the Date::Format module). Typically typically I can look
> through the available packages with 'apt-cache search' and find the
> correct debian package to install. In this case the name of the
> package was'libtimedate-perl' --- which isnt obvious given all of the
> other packages with 'date' in them. So I was wondering if there was
> something out there that maps perl modules to the Debian package that
> provides them. Perhaps I just need to be more creative when using
> apt-cache.

I agree it can be a little confusing at times.

A quick search on packages.debian.org for "date::format" returned the
following:

usr/share/man/man3/Date::Format.3pm.gz - interpreters/libtimedate-perl

HTH,
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Re: how to connect two PC's with a cross-over ethernet cable?

[Christoph Wegscheider]

Bram Mertens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't I need a second ethernet card in my desktop when I buy a switch in
> stead of a router?  When I'm going to buy new hardware I would like to
> be able to 'share' my internet connection between the two computers and
> have a permanent LAN.
There are two possible setups:

1.) Buy another ethernetcard and set up the Desktop as Router (NAT),
this is the cheapest soloution (~ EUR 7).

PPP+---+ LAN   +--+
Modem --- eth0 |Desktop| eth1 --- eth0 |Laptop|
   +---+   +--+ 


2.) Buy a hub/switch (~ EUR 20+) connect everything to the switch and 
2.1) either setup the Desktop as Router like above or
2.2) open seperatly PPP connection from the Desktop and Notebook

  +--+  +---+
Modem --- |Switch|  |Desktop|
  +--+  +---+
 |
 |
 |
 |
  +--+
  |Laptop|
  +--+


Of course the second methode is more flexible if more Computers are
likely to be connected in the future.



hth,Christoph


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Re: perl module --> debian package name

[Florian Ernst]

Hello!

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 12:12:11PM -0400, John Harrold wrote:
> [...]
> with 'date' in them. So I was wondering if there was something out there
> that maps perl modules to the Debian package that provides them. Perhaps I
> just need to be more creative when using apt-cache.

In general there is the Debian Perl Policy which claims:
| Perl module packages should be named for the primary module provided.
| The naming convention for module Foo::Bar is libfoo-bar-perl. Packages
| which include multiple modules may additionally include provides for
| those modules using the same convention.


HTH,
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ftping files >2GB

[Ben]

Hi all, I am new to this list.

I have been struggling with a problem of ftping a couple of larger
than 2GB files from my old *bsd web server to my new Debian-based
system.

I seem to be hitting the 2GB limit with both ftp (ftp login to the
other machine, wu-ftpd and openbsd-ftpd (ftp login from the other
machine).

Is there a pre-packaged ftpd that support >2GB files?

Also, where can I get the source to ftp to rebuild it for LFS support?

Thanks!

Ben

perl module --> debian package name

[John Harrold]

Hey,

I was trying to run a perl script on a Debian box and it kept complaining
that I didn't have the right perl module installed (in this case
the Date::Format module). Typically typically I can look through the
available packages with 'apt-cache search' and find the correct debian
package to install. In this case the name of the package was
'libtimedate-perl' --- which isnt obvious given all of the other packages
with 'date' in them. So I was wondering if there was something out there
that maps perl modules to the Debian package that provides them. Perhaps I
just need to be more creative when using apt-cache.

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Re: Database

[Miguel Griffa]

AFAIK both postgres and mysql have command line driven programs which
are quite powerfull.
have you tried them?


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> Does anyone know of a non-X windows dependent database management program?
> I need a program that is reliable and simple but still can import data and
> fairly easily edit data and data structures.  Does not have to be graphical.
> 
> Bradley
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TV-Karte unter debian

[dirk weckerlei]

Hallo Liste!
Da bin ich wieder :o) (endlich ein dsl in der neuen wohnung)
Meine Frage:
Benutze seit 5 Jahren die Hauppauge Primio Fm. Bisher hat sie gute
Dienste geleistet. Jedoch hab ich nun (nach dem Umzug) einen
Satelitenanschluss. hab zwar noch einen zehnder receiver (ZE-55), bin
aber den Kabelsalat quer durch die wohnung satt. (von dose zu reiceiver
und von receiver zum Rechner. Ich bin nun also auf der suche nach einer
karte (kann ruhig ein Ãlteres modell sein), welche sowohl analoge
sat-signale als auch normalen breitbandkabelanschluss besitzt. Ne
Fernbedienung wÃre da nicht schlecht :o) natÃrlich wÃre die
linuxkompativilitÃt das entscheidende merkmal. wer kann helfen? der dirk

Re: Sid and security

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:32:41PM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:25, Michael Satterwhite wrote:
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> > I note that when the Sarge installer created my sources.list file, it put a 
> > line in as follows:
> > 
> > deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
> ...
> > Question: Am I correct that a parallel location for unstable is not
> > needed?  
> 
> There is none.  It would be far too much effort for the security team to
> cope with.

Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding all this...

Security team finds hole.
Security team fixes hole.
Security team NMU's woody-proposed-updates (exactly what section doesn't
really matter.)
Security team contacts maintainer.
Maintainer applies patch.
Maintainer uploads to sid.


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Re: Sid and security

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> > I note that when the Sarge installer created my sources.list file, it put
> > a line in as follows:
> >
> > deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
>
> ...
>
> > Question: Am I correct that a parallel location for unstable is not
> > needed?
>
> There is none.  It would be far too much effort for the security team to
> cope with.
 
That's what I thought ... thanks.
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Re: OT: Which tool, and how, to get partial string from file?

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 10:16:26AM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> How do I test to make sure the name is in two files? Like so?
> 
> if ( ! grep -q '\' /etc/passwd ) or ( ! grep -q '\' 
> /etc/shadow )
> then
>  echo "Error: One or both files are missing 'tuber'" | mail root
>  exit 1
> fi

Almost. I'm pretty sure there is no 'or', you have to use ||.

if ( ! grep -q '\' /etc/passwd ) || ( ! grep -q '\' 
/etc/shadow )
then
   echo "Error: One or both files are missing 'tuber'" | mail root
   exit 1
fi

Note that the parens are probably unneccesary, but IMO they improve
readability.


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Re: Configuration DB

[Alan Greenberger]

John Hasler wrote:
>Tong writes:
>> The '--get-selections' and '--set-selections' only give your the list
>> of
>> packages, they won't save configuration for you.
>
>All the configuration data is in files under /etc.  Back it up.
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The --get-selections comes out with package names but no version
numbers.  I have some newer backports installed, which appear to be
stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/ .  If I were to restore this
directory and do --set-selections, would it be smart enough to find these
newer versions or does one have to do that manually afterwards?

I notice there is a file, /var/backups/dpkg.status.0, which seems to
have information about installed packages and version numbers.
Shouldn't this file be usable somehow for restore?


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Re: Sid and security

[Oliver Elphick]

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> I note that when the Sarge installer created my sources.list file, it put a 
> line in as follows:
> 
>   deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
...
> Question: Am I correct that a parallel location for unstable is not
> needed?  

There is none.  It would be far too much effort for the security team to
cope with.
 
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  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught 
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[OT] GNU/Linux livecd for oldworld macs

[csj]

Does anybody know of a Knoppix or Bootable Business Card-type
GNU/Linux distro that runs on an "OldWorld" Mac? I've found isos
for NewWorld macs (e.g. knoppix-MiB-PPC-alpha-2e.iso) but none
for "OldWorld" Macs.




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Sid and security

[Michael Satterwhite]

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I note that when the Sarge installer created my sources.list file, it put a 
line in as follows:

deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main

The documentation page implies that a similar location exists for all the 
distributions, but there is no "unstable/updates". I don't find this 
incredibly surprising as the base unstable is where I'd expect the updates to 
start.

Question: Am I correct that a parallel location for unstable is not needed? If 
I'm wrong, what line should exist for Sid?

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Re: OT: Which tool, and how, to get partial string from file?

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:
Stefan O'Rear wrote:
On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:46:52PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
 

How can I test to see if the word "tuber" is in the /etc/passwd 
file, reliably, and take an action if it is, and take a different 
action if it's not, in a bash shell script?
  

if grep -q '\' /etc/passwd
then
  echo 'NOO! THERE ARE POTATOES IN MY PASSWORD! ABORT! ABORT!' | 
mail root
else
  echo "foo. Foo? passwords are clean..." | mail root
fi

How do I test to make sure the name is in two files? Like so?
if ( ! grep -q '\' /etc/passwd ) or ( ! grep -q '\' 
/etc/shadow )
then
 echo "Error: One or both files are missing 'tuber'" | mail root
 exit 1
fi

Thanks!
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test

[Dirk Weckerlei]

Hello list!
sorry. my last mail was in german. i just forgot, that the written
language here is in english. Besides that, did anyone read my last mail
about the tv-card problem I got?
dirk


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Re: OT: Which tool, and how, to get partial string from file?

[John Hasler]

John Summerfield writes:
> On what sh equivalents does it not work?

Old "Bourne" shells on some Unices.  I see no need to support them any
more.  I still often use backticks, but only from twenty years of habit.
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ensoniq soundscape vivo 90 on woody

[Patrick Pfeifer]

Hello,

I'm running Debian Woody with kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4.  It's on a Gateway 2000
P5-200 maching (200MHz) with an ISA Ensoniq Soundscape VIVO 90 sound card.
I've installed mpd and phpmd to play music out of the server via a web
interface.  I had a rough time getting the sound card to work initially, but
finally had it working about a week ago.  The problem was, the server was
unplugged by one of my roommates and I lost all the settings I used to get
the sound card working.  (I know I'm dumb for not putting them in the boot
sequence.)  After a few days of Googling, I've tried using the sscape.o
module, the ad1848.o module, installed alsa, etc. with no luck.

Upon executing modprobe sscape, I get the response:

/lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/sound/sscape.o: init_module: No
such device
Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including
invalid IO or IRQ parameters
/lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/sound/sscape.o: insmod
/lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/sound/sscape.o failed
/lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/sound/sscape.o: insmod sscape
failed

Same deal with ad1848.o.  I've tried combinations of IRQs, IO, and DMA
parameters as suggested by folks on Google.  sndconfig returns the same
thing every time.  I've also tried installing alsa-base and using those
drivers through alsaconf.  It probes for ISA cards, says there's no match
found, and exits.

pnpdump shows the ISA card with "Ensoniq SoundscapeVIVO" as the identifier.

The relevant portion of lsmod is:

sound  52876   0  [v_midi]
soundcore   3236   4  [sound]


Is there something wrong with my card?  Is there a way to get back my
configuration before the reboot?  Is there something else I should try to
get this going?

Thanks in advance for any help.

-Pat



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Re: Debian Linux on a mac?

[Jacob S.]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 10:26:56 -0400
"S.D.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 12:08:53AM -0500 or thereabouts, Jacob S.
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:59:03 -0400
> > "S.D.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > > Yeah Linix on anything Mac, prior to new world architecture, seems
> > > to be a "pain in the arse" I'm doing this simply so my brother can
> > > have a decent "Office" like app, without needing to use MickeySoft
> > > software. He's presently using MacOS 10.1.5 on it. 
> > 
> > Kinda OT, but if you're just doing it for an Office app. and he's
> > already running 10.x, why not use OpenOffice.org? They have a
> > version for OS X, last I checked.
> 
> It's not available yet (the native port, AFAIK), and I don't believe
> MacOS 10.1.5 will be supported. Apparently Apple has made widespread
> changes since 10.1.x. See
> . As of March, they were
> supposedly finalizing the installer, no news since.
> 
> The only one available now, requires X11 -- so one might as well run
> Debian or Darwin. Unfortunately, Darwin is too geekish for my brother.
> He's a simple kinda guy, in terms of computer needs. We tried using
> the Fink release, it was an older release, and wasn't quite up to
> snuff.

Thanks. I knew there must be a reason, but I hadn't had a chance to play
with a G4 to find out for myself yet (only have access to an old B&W G3
right now).

Jacob

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Re: Debian Linux on a mac?

[S.D.A.]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 10:24:48AM -0400 or thereabouts, Loki wrote:
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> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004, S.D.A. wrote:
> 
> > One would think that some Debian Mac hobbyist, would have written up a 'how
> > to' for installing on "Old World" Macs -- Or perhaps, I just haven't looked
> > hard enough...
> 
> Old World Macs are pretty rare these days. Remember, that means Macs that
> are well before the iMac, which mostly translates to either Macs that are
> so old you can't put Linux on them (well OK, you can put Linux
> theoretically on your Mac SE30, but OMG), or Macs made while Apple was
> struggling and thus not selling many computers.

I'm talking 1st generation G3 -- not that old. I consider Commodore 64s to be
"old". It's all relative. ;)

> Most Linux PPC installs I see or hear about are done on older-model iMacs.

Yes I'm aware of the history. Quite a few people were using MKLinux, then
LinuxPPC a few years ago. It's just that we're talking a minimal percentage of
the overall 3% market penetration, are running Linux on PPC -- That's probably
more of the issue.

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Re: OT: merge two files

[Thomas Adam]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:42:15AM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> I want to merge the contents of one file with the bottom X lines of 
> another. This works:
> 
> cat file1 > EndResultFile && tail +20 file2 >> EndResultFile
> 
> Is this adequate, or is there a better way to do it?

No, looks good to me.

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Re: Debian Linux on a mac?

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On Sat, 21 Aug 2004, S.D.A. wrote:

> One would think that some Debian Mac hobbyist, would have written up a 'how
> to' for installing on "Old World" Macs -- Or perhaps, I just haven't looked
> hard enough...

Old World Macs are pretty rare these days. Remember, that means Macs that
are well before the iMac, which mostly translates to either Macs that are
so old you can't put Linux on them (well OK, you can put Linux
theoretically on your Mac SE30, but OMG), or Macs made while Apple was
struggling and thus not selling many computers.

Most Linux PPC installs I see or hear about are done on older-model iMacs.
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OT: merge two files

[Kent West]

I want to merge the contents of one file with the bottom X lines of 
another. This works:

cat file1 > EndResultFile && tail +20 file2 >> EndResultFile
Is this adequate, or is there a better way to do it?
(Sorry I'm asking a programming question on Debian-User, but you folks 
are sharp, and I get confused with such things as piping and 
redirection, etc.)

Thanks!
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Re: OT: Which tool, and how, to get partial string from file?

[John Summerfield]

Thomas Adam wrote:
On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:41:11PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
 

but for readability, don't use back-ticks. Instead
WORD=$(sed -ne 's/^.*\(icewm\).*$/\1/p' < /home.local/snert/.xinitrc)
   

$(..) is not as portable as ``.
 

On what sh equivalents does it not work? I've just tried dash and sh 
--posix and those are fine. I've previously used it in busybox.

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Antw: Re: Stalling init! Sarge on ProLiant-Servers - Critical?

[Martin Schneider]

Hi,

thank you for your advice. But it didn't work.
- The servers don't use apm but acpi. I tried that instead but it failed.
- I wonder why the power management should be involved when sitching from multi to 
single user mode. Maybe in the case of an init 6. But in the case of init 1?

I tried something other:
I installed the "Sarge" Prerelease LinuxTag 2004 Edition (DVD) onto the DL580 (where 
the switching of the runlevel works).
Then I used the "Sarge" Official Snapshot rc1 (CD) to upgrade.
After the next reboot the switching of the runlevel didn't work anymore!
> Sending all processes the TERM signal...
The process stalls at this point (see below).

Looks to me as if something is broken. Have you any clue what it might be?

Greetings,

Martin Schneider



>>> Marcos Carneiro da Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20.8.2004 18:35:48 >>>
Hi,

install apmd e try it again.

Marcos Carneiro da Rocha

On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 14:10, Martin Schneider wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've installed Debian "Sarge" on 
> 
> - Compaq/HP ProLiant DL380 G3; 512 MB RAM; Compaq Smart Array 5i 
> - Compaq/HP ProLiant DL580 G2; 2 GB RAM; Compaq Smart Array 5i+
> 
> Init stalls during switching of the runlevel:
> 
> # init {0,1,6}
> INIT: Switching to runlevel: {0,1,6}
> INIT: Sending processes the TERM signal
> INIT: Sending processes the KILL signal
> Stopping periodic command scheduler: cron.
> Stopping MTA: exim4.
> Stopping internet superserver: inetd.
> Stopping deferred execution scheduler: atd.
> Stopping kernel log daemon: klogd.
> Stopping system log daemon: syslogd.
> Sending all processes the TERM signal...
> 
> And that's it! To revive the server one has to press the power button.
> 
> This happend for the following versions:
> "Sarge" Official Snapshot rc1 (CD) - 07.08.2004
> "Sarge" Official Snapshot rc1 (DVD) - 09.08.2004
> "Sarge" Official NetInst Snapshot - 15.08.2004
> "Sarge" Official NetInst Snapshot - 19.08.2004
> 
> This version is fine (Switching of the runlevel succeeds):
> "Sarge" Prerelease LinuxTag 2004 Edition (DVD) - 09.06.2004 - ISBN 3-936427-09-7
> (But GRUB won't install. I have to use Lilo.)
> 
> Can someone confirm this? How do I file this bug? I'm unsure if I've collected all 
> of the necessary information.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Martin Schneider
> 
> 

Re: Debian Linux on a mac?

[S.D.A.]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 12:08:53AM -0500 or thereabouts, Jacob S. wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:59:03 -0400
> "S.D.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> > Yeah Linix on anything Mac, prior to new world architecture, seems to
> > be a "pain in the arse" I'm doing this simply so my brother can have a
> > decent "Office" like app, without needing to use MickeySoft software.
> > He's presently using MacOS 10.1.5 on it. 
> 
> Kinda OT, but if you're just doing it for an Office app. and he's
> already running 10.x, why not use OpenOffice.org? They have a version
> for OS X, last I checked.

It's not available yet (the native port, AFAIK), and I don't believe MacOS
10.1.5 will be supported. Apparently Apple has made widespread changes since
10.1.x. See . As of March, they
were supposedly finalizing the installer, no news since.

The only one available now, requires X11 -- so one might as well run Debian or
Darwin. Unfortunately, Darwin is too geekish for my brother. He's a simple kinda
guy, in terms of computer needs. We tried using the Fink release, it was an
older release, and wasn't quite up to snuff.

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Re: How to Open Hypertext Link Within Thunderbird?

[cep welly]

Ed Sutherland wrote:
How do I open a hypertext link in Thunderbird? At the moment, clicking 
on a link does nothing. I want the Web page to open within Firefox. 
Thanks.

Ed

Sorry, I'm no linux expert, but I have set my Thunderbird to open 
hypertext file type with my favourite browser ( mozilla ).
What I did is ( on Thunderbird ) : Tools ---> Option ---> Attachments. 
On file Types box highlight the approviate file type
shown and click Change Action.
Maybe changing default application within your dm could do this so.

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Re: OT: Which tool, and how, to get partial string from file?

[Kent West]

Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Kent West  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
   

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Kent West  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

A programmer would know this . . , but not me  ;-)
I'm using a script to build a file by concatenating portions of two 
other files. Then end result needs to be checked to make sure a certain 
word shows up in a line.

I know that "grep programm " would return the line:
A programmer would know this . . , but not me  ;-)
but what I want returned is just the word "programmer".
  

   

sed -ne 's/^.*\(word_here\).*$/\1/p' < file
 

Here's my test script:
   

#!/bin/bash
if [ sed -ne 's/^.*\(icewm\).*$/\1/p' < /home.local/snert/.xinitrc ] ; 
then
   echo "Yep"
else
   echo "Nope"
fi
 

That's the complete wrong way to use '[' !
You want something like:
WORD=`sed -ne 's/^.*\(icewm\).*$/\1/p' < /home.local/snert/.xinitrc`
if [ -n "$WORD" ]
then

For a primer on how to use '[', do "man test".
 

I think I must have some mental block against understanding the syntax 
of "regular expressions" and/or "test" and/or "conditionals" and/or 
single-quotes-vs-double-vs-backtics and/or something. It seems every 
time I try to do some sort of scripting over the past several years 
(only 3 or 5 times a year, so not often), I have to google and "man" and 
study and ask, to essentially figure out the same sorts of things. So I 
sure am glad there's folks like you with whom it all "clicks" who 
volunteer their expertise.

 

BTW, why not simply
if grep -q word file
then
# word was present in file
bla
bla
fi

 

My test script:
   

#!/bin/bash
if [ `grep -q icewm /home.local/snert/.xinitrc` ] ; then
   echo "Yep"
 

I wrote
if grep -q word file
Why change it to
if [ `grep -q icewm /home.local/snert/.xinitrc` ]
? That means something completely different.
 

Because like I say above, I google around trying to find my own way 
before I come ask, and that just leaves me confused. I thought the "if 
grep -q word file" was sort of a cross between psuedo-code and actual 
syntactical use, leaving the exact syntax for me to figure out, based on 
my previous efforts to find my own answers. Apparently I should have 
accepted the command as more literal than I did. I'm a goofball ;-)


"sh" scripts are a programming language. They do what you say,
not what you mean ;)
After 'if' comes a command. The exit status of the command is used
as return value: 0 is true, 1 (or any non-zero value) is false.
The '[' thing is just a command. Look:
$ ls -l /usr/bin/[
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 23928 Jul 16 13:37 /usr/bin/[*
It's also known as 'test'. See "man test".
But you can put other commands there, like grep. "grep -q" exits
with exit-status 0 (true) on a match. So that's why I said
if grep -q word file
and that's why it's completely different from if [ grep ...
Mike.
 

The "Conditional Expressions" section of "man bash" wasn't explanatory 
enough for me to figure out if-then, so I went a' googling, and found 
things like this, which is from the "BASH Programming - Introduction 
HOW-TO" that I found at 
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-6.html:

A word about syntax:
The base for the 'if' constructions in bash is this:
if [expression];
then
code if 'expression' is true.
fi
followed immediately by several examples that look like this:
#!/bin/bash
   if [ "foo" = "foo" ]; then

Each of these examples has the brackets.

And then in all but one of the examples in the "BASH Guide for 
Beginners" at http://tille.soti.org/training/bash/ch07.html#sect_07_01, 
there are brackets. The one case that didn't have brackets I assumed was 
some sort of special case.

So I got it in my head that the brackets are part of the if-then 
statement. If I understand what you're saying, they're not. Whew. My 
head is spinning.

Thanks for the input!
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Re: ./configure pb or faulty configure.in?

[messmate]

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 23:17:42 +0200
Florian Ernst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hello again!
>
>On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 10:40:32PM +0200, messmate wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 22:06:10 +0200
>> Florian Ernst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Can't believe it either, as plain "./configure" runs cleanly on my
>> >local Sarge installation (having libgtk1.2-dev and libxml-dev
>> >installed).
>> >
>> Uhhh did you install/compile gshieldconf-40 ??
>
>You claimed the configuring wouldn't work, so I only checked this and
>it worked for me. But nonetheless:
>| $ ( ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && make install
>DESTDIR=`pwd`/gshieldconf ) > /dev/null| $ tree gshieldconf/
>| gshieldconf/
>| `-- usr
>| |-- bin
>| |   `-- gshieldconf
>| `-- share
>| `-- gshieldconf
>| |-- controls.xml
>| `-- xmlgui.txt
>| 
>| 4 directories, 3 files
>
>Can't test the program itself as I don't use gshield...
>
>Cheers,
>Flo
>
Ouuf,
finally it runs and have setted up on my debian-router.
Works great and tested the firewall from extern.
What i have todo was : installing libxml1-dev !!!
and not libxml2-dev what was installed.
So a part of the ./configure don't work; as you can 
see he try detecting also  xml2-config, what was installed.
Thanks again for the help and your time.
Amicalement
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Re: OT: Which tool, and how, to get partial string from file?

[Thomas Adam]

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 09:41:11PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> but for readability, don't use back-ticks. Instead
> WORD=$(sed -ne 's/^.*\(icewm\).*$/\1/p' < /home.local/snert/.xinitrc)

$(..) is not as portable as ``.

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Re: OT: Which tool, and how, to get partial string from file?

[John Summerfield]

Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
Here's my test script:
   

#!/bin/bash
if [ sed -ne 's/^.*\(icewm\).*$/\1/p' < /home.local/snert/.xinitrc ] ; 
then
   echo "Yep"
else
   echo "Nope"
fi
 

That's the complete wrong way to use '[' !
 

I'm not sure what you mean here; if you mean it lacks readability then I 
agree with you.

You want something like:
WORD=`sed -ne 's/^.*\(icewm\).*$/\1/p' < /home.local/snert/.xinitrc`
 

but for readability, don't use back-ticks. Instead
WORD=$(sed -ne 's/^.*\(icewm\).*$/\1/p' < /home.local/snert/.xinitrc)
which is more readable, allows you to span lines and even to nest (in 
moderation)  while maintaining some semblance of clarity.

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Re: how to connect two PC's with a cross-over ethernet cable?

[Paolo Alexis Falcone]

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 21:12, Bram Mertens wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 12:51, Paolo Alexis Falcone wrote:
> > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:06, Bram Mertens wrote:
> > 
> > > I have a cross-over ethernet-cable and I would like to be able to
> > > configure both computers so I can switch between the current setup and
> > > the necessary configuration to transfer files across the cross-over
> > > ethernet cable.
> > > 
> > > How do I know which files contain the current configuration?
> > > How do I configure my laptop to be able to use the cross-over
> > > connection?
> > 
> > Plug the cable to both ends. Then configure both machines to use IP
> > addresses with the same network mask (255.255.255.252 is already good
> > enough). No special voodoo required.
> 
> Can I configure both the address and the network mask with etherconf?

Haven't used that.

> But how can I save my current settings so I can quickly restore them?

/etc/network/interfaces is your solution.

> Did you mean 255.255.255.255 for the network mask? or doesn't that make
> a difference?

A netmask of 255.255.255.255 (/32 CIDR) will make any machine talk only
to itself.

For more information, please check any subnet howto.

> > > I know that getting a router has many benefits over this setup but I am
> > > still considering some alternatives and I would like to set this up
> > > until I make up my mind.
> > 
> > A switch is maybe what you might need since you just connect straight
> > cables from both machines to the switch. Same principle on configuring
> > network devices goes.
> 
> Don't I need a second ethernet card in my desktop when I buy a switch in
> stead of a router?  When I'm going to buy new hardware I would like to
> be able to 'share' my internet connection between the two computers and
> have a permanent LAN.

Nope, if you've got a separate router. Yes if you would make one of the
machines a router as well. At any rate, having a switch really helps
especially when you want to share the connection to more than two units.



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Re: how to connect two PC's with a cross-over ethernet cable?

[Bram Mertens]

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 12:51, Paolo Alexis Falcone wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:06, Bram Mertens wrote:
> 
> > I have a cross-over ethernet-cable and I would like to be able to
> > configure both computers so I can switch between the current setup and
> > the necessary configuration to transfer files across the cross-over
> > ethernet cable.
> > 
> > How do I know which files contain the current configuration?
> > How do I configure my laptop to be able to use the cross-over
> > connection?
> 
> Plug the cable to both ends. Then configure both machines to use IP
> addresses with the same network mask (255.255.255.252 is already good
> enough). No special voodoo required.

Can I configure both the address and the network mask with etherconf?

But how can I save my current settings so I can quickly restore them?

Did you mean 255.255.255.255 for the network mask? or doesn't that make
a difference?

> > I know that getting a router has many benefits over this setup but I am
> > still considering some alternatives and I would like to set this up
> > until I make up my mind.
> 
> A switch is maybe what you might need since you just connect straight
> cables from both machines to the switch. Same principle on configuring
> network devices goes.

Don't I need a second ethernet card in my desktop when I buy a switch in
stead of a router?  When I'm going to buy new hardware I would like to
be able to 'share' my internet connection between the two computers and
have a permanent LAN.

Thanks for your feedback

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Re: Evolution in Norwegian?

[Hans Oluf Hagen]

Try setting LANG to no_NO. 
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Re: OT: Which tool, and how, to get partial string from file?

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Kent West  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>Kent West  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>A programmer would know this . . , but not me  ;-)
>>>
>>>I'm using a script to build a file by concatenating portions of two 
>>>other files. Then end result needs to be checked to make sure a certain 
>>>word shows up in a line.
>>>
>>>I know that "grep programm " would return the line:
>>>
>>>A programmer would know this . . , but not me  ;-)
>>>
>>>but what I want returned is just the word "programmer".
>>>
>>>
>>
>>sed -ne 's/^.*\(word_here\).*$/\1/p' < file
>>  
>>
>Here's my test script:
>
>> #!/bin/bash
>>
>> if [ sed -ne 's/^.*\(icewm\).*$/\1/p' < /home.local/snert/.xinitrc ] ; 
>> then
>> echo "Yep"
>> else
>> echo "Nope"
>> fi

That's the complete wrong way to use '[' !

You want something like:

WORD=`sed -ne 's/^.*\(icewm\).*$/\1/p' < /home.local/snert/.xinitrc`
if [ -n "$WORD" ]
then


For a primer on how to use '[', do "man test".

>>BTW, why not simply
>>
>>  if grep -q word file
>>  then
>>  # word was present in file
>>  bla
>>  bla
>>  fi
>>
>>  
>>
>My test script:
>
>> #!/bin/bash
>>
>> if [ `grep -q icewm /home.local/snert/.xinitrc` ] ; then
>> echo "Yep"

I wrote

if grep -q word file

Why change it to

if [ `grep -q icewm /home.local/snert/.xinitrc` ]

? That means something completely different.

"sh" scripts are a programming language. They do what you say,
not what you mean ;)

After 'if' comes a command. The exit status of the command is used
as return value: 0 is true, 1 (or any non-zero value) is false.
The '[' thing is just a command. Look:

$ ls -l /usr/bin/[
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 23928 Jul 16 13:37 /usr/bin/[*

It's also known as 'test'. See "man test".

But you can put other commands there, like grep. "grep -q" exits
with exit-status 0 (true) on a match. So that's why I said

if grep -q word file

and that's why it's completely different from if [ grep ...

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ensuring usb devices visibility

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Two days ago I made an update-upgrade to my sid machine (kernel
2.6.7). For a while I hadn't been able to make my memory stick work,
since i had moved to 2.6.7 with udev.
Now, after this up*, without changing anything in the kernel or
udev-hotplug configuration files manually, all is
working, as it did in the old times of 2.4.*
I figure that the improvement is caused by one or more changes in
(udev, hotplug, udevrules, hotplugblacklist, ??) during the upgrade.
My question is: what should I backup to make sure that any
future update-upgrade doesn't mess it again?


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Re: mount ftp

[Florian Ernst]

Hello!

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:12:08PM +0200, Marc Barisch wrote:
> I want to mount a ftp-directory from another host to the local filesystem in 
> order to get transparent access.
> I know LUFS, are there other possibilities?



Hurd has ftpfs, too... ;)

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mount ftp

[Marc Barisch]

Hi,
I want to mount a ftp-directory from another host to the local filesystem in 
order to get transparent access.
I know LUFS, are there other possibilities?

Thanks in advance
Marc


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Re: how to connect two PC's with a cross-over ethernet cable?

[Paolo Alexis Falcone]

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:06, Bram Mertens wrote:

> I have a cross-over ethernet-cable and I would like to be able to
> configure both computers so I can switch between the current setup and
> the necessary configuration to transfer files across the cross-over
> ethernet cable.
> 
> How do I know which files contain the current configuration?
> How do I configure my laptop to be able to use the cross-over
> connection?

Plug the cable to both ends. Then configure both machines to use IP
addresses with the same network mask (255.255.255.252 is already good
enough). No special voodoo required.

> I know that getting a router has many benefits over this setup but I am
> still considering some alternatives and I would like to set this up
> until I make up my mind.

A switch is maybe what you might need since you just connect straight
cables from both machines to the switch. Same principle on configuring
network devices goes.


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defunct processes

[martin f krafft]

I use fluxbox (0.9.9-1) and start most processes with a key
combination through fluxkeys. This works fine, but I am noticing
a peculiarity: processes started that way end up being
defunct/zombie processes for a while:

madduck  19643  0.7  0.0 00 ?ZNs  11:54   0:18 [firefox-bin] http://lists.ethernal.org/dunlug-0310/msg00074.html

where the author claims:

  "It's normal to see a small number of zombie processes at any one
  time one a machine (currently, my machine has 5, although that's
  higher that normal)"

This is news to me and on no other of my machines do I get to
witness the phenomenon.

Thus, I wonder if it's a bug in fluxbox or whether this is expected
behaviour. Maybe someone can provide some insights.

Thanks,

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