Re: FAQ on debian newcomer list

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Peter Stoddard wrote:


On Tuesday 10 January 2006 09:49 pm, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
 


I would appreciate any feedback/corrections/suggestions etc., (however
trivial you think they are) on the following FAQ on debian-user. The
final corrected version will be uploaded to
http://people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/du-guidelines.html . I am posting
the initial version for your kind consideration.

Thanks in advance
raju
   



This is a good idea.  You might want to add one other point though.  The 
people who are potential sources of information are going to want to hang on 
a list that they will benefit from, so few will have the time or inclination 
to subscribe to the newbie list.


Peter Stoddard
 


Now added this point as well. Thanks for the feedback.

raju



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Re: FAQ on debian newcomer list

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Miguel Enrique Cobá Martínez wrote:


Q2. I think that google should be the first place to search and the
first question to answer.
 

Yes. But from a debian-user point of view, I think the language is also 
as important as googling. We can probably understand a post written in 
english (even if the OP has not googled for the solution) as opposed to 
a question written in a native language



I think that the second question should be a link to ESR
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
This would permit new users learn how to ask questions with better
chance to get answers.
 

I was aware of this link. But the tone used in that document is somewhat 
harsh to newbies IMHO. That is why I hesitated to link to that document 
before.


But anyway, now I have added this as question 11.


Q3. It would be better to specify distributions by name (sarge, etch,
sid) in order to better archive the post. You can search later for the
problem and have a clue of what distribution they apply to.
 

Nice catch. I did not think about it before. I modified the answer to 
question 3 now.



Q4. I think that you should remark the removing of parts irrelevant to
the answer in order to remain to the point in the replys to the post.
 



Is not this already done? The heading of Q5 itself reads "Avoid top 
posting and delete unnecessary stuff in the previous email".



Overall, this is a very good start.
 


Thanks.


PD. What is needed in order to add a link to this faq in the automated
mail sent during list subscription. It is possible? There is some place
in the policy of the list or in debian's that says that it is impossible?

 

This is one idea. Another user suggested that this document be posted at 
frequent intervals (say once in a month) to debian-user.


bye
raju

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Re: FAQ on debian newcomer list

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Kent West wrote:


kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:

I would appreciate any feedback/corrections/suggestions etc., 
(however trivial you think they are) on the following FAQ on 
debian-user.



Looks very good.


Thanks. I just did a cut and paste job of some of the previous posts, 
from archives and reordered the sentences. But I think it is worth it.





  5. As questions tend to be referred to debian-user and due to the
 dilemma of "appropriate mailing list to post", people tend to ask
 the same question on multiple mailing lists. ...




This sentence is a bit obtuse and needs to be rewritten in my 
estimation. Perhaps something like:


*/As questions tend to be referred to debian-user, and due to the 
dilemma of not knowing to which list one should post, people tend to 
ask the same question on multiple mailing lists./* This will defeat 
the whole purpose of creating a separate list for newcomers and 
increases the net traffic many times. Moreover all the replies might 
not be CCed to all the mailing lists. As a result, people 
experiencing the same problem at a later time and reading the 
archives will have to go through similar looking posts on different 
mailing lists to find the correct answer.



I went with this one. Thanks for the patch.

raju

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Re: [OT] They hate us, but they really make us laugh.

[J.Moore]

On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 01:59 -0300, Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
> Who dares to say "That's not funny"???
> hahaha
> 
> I love Debian, but you can't not to laugh.

Huh? I think maybe you've had too much spirit, eh?


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Re: FAQ on debian newcomer list

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:


On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:49:02 -0500
kamaraju kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


1. First of all, if there is a newcomer list, think about who its
 subscribers will be. It will most probably be newcomers who are
 having some problems and need advice/suggestions/pointers
etc., . But the people hanging in those lists are as ignorant as
others. Most of the replies will be "I too have the same problem. But
I do not know how to solve it." or something similar to that extent.
   




Perhaps the term, "ignorant," is too full of bad connotations.  Maybe
you could use, "inexperienced," instead.

Cybe R. Wizard  


done. Thanks for the correction.

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Re: partition sda1 on usb pen not recognized

[Bill Marcum]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 01:11:53AM -0800, scanda wrote:
> ==> update
> 
>  i've another laptop ( an old texas instrument ) with debian sarge,
> kernel 2.4
> 
>  if i plug the usb pen ( iomega mini 128 ) i've the same problem
> 
>  afther the command "fdisk -l /dev/sda" udev find the sda1 partition
> and
>  everything went ok
> 
>  any idea 
> 
> 
Some usb devices are formatted like big floppy disks, i.e. you mount 
them as /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1.  Nowadays it usually doesn't make 
sense to split a 128 or 256 meg drive into smaller partitions, so a 
partition table isn't always necessary.


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[OT] They hate us, but they really make us laugh.

[Gabriel Parrondo]

Who dares to say "That's not funny"???
hahaha

I love Debian, but you can't not to laugh.


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Re: Voice recognition software?

[Jaime Herazo B.]

* A. F. Cano ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> So, let's start this subject rolling,
> What's the status of speech recognition for Linux these days?

I'm afraid things are still pretty much in the might-be-great-someday
phase. Last time i checked free software for speech recognition was
pretty much inexistent. The sphinx guys have advanced, apparently their
latest sphinx version is much, much better than old stuff, but still no
dice, and as with such research software some assembly is required (a
little bit more that just "some" in fact).

Since there's a debian package for sphinx2 (which i've never been able
to use as anything other than an unreliable toy), i think that making a
sphinx3.5 package wouldn't be too farfetched, but then again i'm not the
mantainer. I'd personally settle for a just-apt-get-it-and-works kinda
package that would sit there waiting for the mic and return any words
spoken to stdout, just to be able to do some commandline tricks with it
or to let it sit on some server to give it commands or to make a debian
version of Serial Experiments Lain's Navi computers or just to brag :) 
The xvoice team was working on replacing their dependence on viavoice by
replacing it with sphinx, but i think the project's pretty much stagnant
now.

IMHO full-blown speech recognition in the free software world isn't too
close, since it depends on lots of research that's behind closed doors.
If IBM suddenly decided to GPL their viavoice stuff and release free
data files (the language models i think it is), we'd have full-blown
free voice recognition everywhere within a year later after that, and
about 2-3 years later it'd start to really mature as free software, but
then again i'm just guessing here. Since they've given lots of support
to linux it's probably not too farfetched, but we don't know the
internal politics behind it all.



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Re: can i be sub'd but not receive posts?

[David M. Besonen]

On 12 Jan 2006 at 19:39, Jacob S wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:09:54 -0800
> "David M. Besonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > i would like to be able to post and i would like to 
> > have no posts delivered to me.  i'll read the list 
> > from gmane.
> 
> No, it's not possible to be subscribed without
> receiving posts. However, you do not have to be
> subscribed to post to this list. There are many
> people that use gmane to read this list. 

thanks for the info.

i'll make one post then unsub and see about posting 
from gmane.

peace,
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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[Carl Fink]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 02:47:28PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:

> Really? I heard him interviewed on the radio within the last
> week. Do you know the outcome?

The Navy Lieutenant declared victory, even though the Navy didn't change its
policy.

http://washingtontimes.com/metro/20060107-110200-1250r.htm

"Lt. William Marks, a Navy spokesman, said yesterday there never were
restrictions against Lt. Klingenschmitt and he is not sure why the chaplain
considered himself victorious."
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Re: Voice recognition software?

[A. F. Cano]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 07:07:16PM -0800, ke6isf wrote:
> Ran into a local who is a partial quadriplegic, and is using Dragon
> Naturally Speaking on a Windows system, and has exhibited curiousity about
> Linux.
> 
> Due to the nature of her paralysis, she requires voice recognition
> software, so with that in mind, is there anything in Debian (or, for that
> matter, Linux in general) that does such a thing?

You probably mean speech recognition software, as in understanding words
and sentences (as opposed to voice recognition to identify a user),
which is what Dragon NS does, right?

I also would like to know if there is something current for linux.
Years ago, IBM ViaVoice was available for Linux.  This was in the days
of RedHat 7.2 if I remember correctly.  If I'm not mistaken, Linux
support was discontinued quite a long time ago.  Nothing open source
came even close to being usable.  So, let's start this subject rolling,
What's the status of speech recognition for Linux these days?

A check of IBM's web site might be worthwhile...

A.


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Re: Voice recognition software?

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You may want to take a look at sphinx (version 2 in etch).
http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/

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Re: Command-line/batch tools for handling mail attachments?

[Karl O. Pinc]

On 01/12/2006 02:35:06 PM, Jim Holland wrote:

Hi

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Karl O. Pinc wrote:
> What about mimedecode?

I hadn't come across that before.  I tested it with various encoded
messages and it didn't do anything at all


OTOH, maybe I am thinking of mpack/munpack and scripting with file,
binhex, uudecode et-al.  It's been a long time.  I _did_ get something
working once upon a time.  Sorry to have possibly sent you down
a blind alley.

Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: Voice recognition software?

[[KS]]

ke6isf wrote:
> Ran into a local who is a partial quadriplegic, and is using Dragon
> Naturally Speaking on a Windows system, and has exhibited curiousity about
> Linux.
> 
> Due to the nature of her paralysis, she requires voice recognition
> software, so with that in mind, is there anything in Debian (or, for that
> matter, Linux in general) that does such a thing?
> 
> -Dennis Carr
> 
> 

A little search resulted in sphinx. Take a look at it
~$ apt-cache show sphinx2-bin

HTH,
/KS


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Emulate middle click with different buttons

[Brandt Dusthimer]

This is isn't specifically related to Debian, but I recently have
acquired an ergonomic 3m mouse.  Unfortunately, this thing only has
three mouse buttons, none of them being wheels.  So, I went ahead and
and set up the middle mouse button as an emulated scroll wheel like I
have on my Thinkpad.  However, now I am without a middle click and
missing it quite a bit.  And, I cannot use the Emulate Middle Mouse
button (like I'm doing on my Thinkpad) because the right and left clicks
on this mouse are physically mutually exclusive!
http://www.3m.com/us/office/myworkspace/images/art/prod_med_ergo_mouse.jpg
And, I can't do shift-inserts because my keyboard doesn't have a good
Insert button :(.

So, anyways, does anyone know of another solution?  Like maybe I could
emulate a middle mouse click with the middle button and the right click
button?  Or maybe something fancy with xmodmap with a given click plus a
modifier?  I am using Debian stable, so I'm still running normal
xfree86, if it makes a difference.

Please CC me on your response as I am not on this list.  Thanks in
advance for your help!

Brandt Dusthimer


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Re: Should I Abandon Mutt and Exim4?

[Dan Martins]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 09:12:49PM -0600, Lance Simmons wrote:
> * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060112 20:37]:
> > 
> > OTOH, if you are Joe Consumer getting your i'net connection from an
> > ISP, then no, It Won't Work.  He'll need to send all email thru his
> > ISP's smtp server.
> 
> Right.  And this is easy enough to do.
>  
> > As Gregory Seidman wrote, OP will have to configure exim4 to be
> > a smarthost.  Thus, when *any* MUA sends email (in sendmail mode),
> > the MTA (exim4, in this case) will forward the mail to the ISP
> 
> I think you mean he needs to configure exim4 to use a smarthost, namely,
> the ISP's smtp server.
> 
> Here are the steps I'd follow:
> 
> First, 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config', to specify the appropriate
> smarthost.  (Information he has to have if mozilla mail is working.)
> 
> Then, if that doesn't work, read the error logfiles in /var/log/exim4/,
> to see if you're getting rejected by the ISP.  If you are, you may need
> to specify a username and password, which is done by manually editing
> /etc/exim4/passwd.client according to the instructions in that file.
> 
> -- 
> Lance Simmons
> Tragedy is when I stub my toe. Comedy is when you fall
> through an open manhole and die.
> -- Mel Brooks

Something to note is this comment in exim4.conf.template:

# Because AUTH PLAIN and AUTH LOGIN send the password in clear, we
# only allow these mechanisms over encrypted connections by default.
# You can set AUTH_CLIENT_ALLOW_NOTLS_PASSWORDS to allow unencrypted
# clear text password authentication on all connections.

I just set AUTH_CLIENT_ALLOW_NOTLS_PASSWORDS='true' in 
/etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template (I placed it just under the comment 
above), edited passwd.client, ran update-exim4.conf and restarted exim. 
This is the part that took me forever to figure out :\


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Re: who is r/w-ing my hdd?

[Jochen Schulz]

Matthias:
> 
> I am searching the source of some every 2/3 seconds
> happening harddisk read/write operation.

If you are using a journalling file system like ext3, this is normal and
shouldn't stress your hard disk.

J.
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Re: Should I Abandon Mutt and Exim4?

[Lance Simmons]

* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060112 20:37]:
> 
> OTOH, if you are Joe Consumer getting your i'net connection from an
> ISP, then no, It Won't Work.  He'll need to send all email thru his
> ISP's smtp server.

Right.  And this is easy enough to do.
 
> As Gregory Seidman wrote, OP will have to configure exim4 to be
> a smarthost.  Thus, when *any* MUA sends email (in sendmail mode),
> the MTA (exim4, in this case) will forward the mail to the ISP

I think you mean he needs to configure exim4 to use a smarthost, namely,
the ISP's smtp server.

Here are the steps I'd follow:

First, 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config', to specify the appropriate
smarthost.  (Information he has to have if mozilla mail is working.)

Then, if that doesn't work, read the error logfiles in /var/log/exim4/,
to see if you're getting rejected by the ISP.  If you are, you may need
to specify a username and password, which is done by manually editing
/etc/exim4/passwd.client according to the instructions in that file.

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Voice recognition software?

[ke6isf]

Ran into a local who is a partial quadriplegic, and is using Dragon
Naturally Speaking on a Windows system, and has exhibited curiousity about
Linux.

Due to the nature of her paralysis, she requires voice recognition
software, so with that in mind, is there anything in Debian (or, for that
matter, Linux in general) that does such a thing?

-Dennis Carr


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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 16:31 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Ron Johnson writes:
> > Why is it that thugs can extort protection money from small business
> > owners?  Because to those businessmen, the pain of losing that business
> > which his life is poured into, and which supports his family is greater
> > than giving away some money.
> 
> Exactly.  And so they choose to pay taxes^H^H^H^H^Hprotection money.  This
> may be the best choice they can make for themselves and their families,
> but it is still a choice.

The legal term for this is duress.  American courts do not consider
confessions gained by such "choices" to be valid.

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Jefferson, LA USA

"I love the environment, but I'm cheap on the environment."
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Re: display popup message on X with crontab

[Karsten M. Self]

on Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 08:28:03AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Karsten M. Self wrote:
> >on Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 03:41:52PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom 
> >([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>How would I popup an informative message on X from a crontab entry?
> >>
> >>There is xmessage, but from crontab?
> >
> >Set your $DISPLAY variable appropriately.
> >
> >DISPLAY=:0.0 xmessage "My message"
> >
> >... should work, if not in your crontab entry itself then in a script
> >called by same.  ":0.0" should work for most circumstances.
> >
> 
> Karsten,
> 
> Not that way, but:
> 
> xmessage -file /xmessage.downmsg.msg -display :1.0
> 
> works.

So does:

55 10 * * Mon   export DISPLAY=:0; echo "Weekly Engineering \
meeting! $( date )" | fmt -w 32 | xmessage -file -

(as one line)

... in my current (user) crontab.  I see that message regularly, so I
know ;-)


> But I cannot get that to work from crontab and at the moment crontab is 
> not mailing any actions that I can find.

Are you trying to use your personal crontab or the system crontab
(/etc/crontab)?  Should be your own, or you'll get user permissions
issues.
 
> It works execution a script with that in it.
> 
> However, everybody (I have a 2 seater Debian) must issue xhost + from 
> their session for it to be allowed.

Evil!  Evil!  *Never* do that.


Peace.

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Re: Should I Abandon Mutt and Exim4?

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 10:57 +1100, CaT wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:07:56PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> > I have spent a couple of days trying to configure Exim4 so as to be able 
> > to respond to postings from Mutt but without success.
> 
> It should just work[tm]. What error messages are you getting from mutt?

If you live on a machine that has a routeable IP address, and a
functioning DNS, then sure, it should Just Work.

OTOH, if you are Joe Consumer getting your i'net connection from
an ISP, then no, It Won't Work.  He'll need to send all email thru
his ISP's smtp server.

As Gregory Seidman wrote, OP will have to configure exim4 to be
a smarthost.  Thus, when *any* MUA sends email (in sendmail mode),
the MTA (exim4, in this case) will forward the mail to the ISP

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"Its easy to understand why the cat has eclipsed the dog as
modern America's favorite pet. People like pets to possess the
same qualities they do. Cats are irresponsible and recognize no
authority, yet are completely dependent on others for their
material needs. Cats cannot be made to do anything useful. Cats
are mean for the fun of it."
P.J. O'Rourke, satirist


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Re: can i be sub'd but not receive posts?

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:09:54 -0800
"David M. Besonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi all,
> 
> just sub'd to this mailing list.
> 
> i would like to be able to post and i would like to 
> have no posts delivered to me.  i'll read the list 
> from gmane.
> 
> is this possible?  if so, is there a smartlist command 
> i can issue to effect this change or do i need to 
> contact the list admin?

No, it's not possible to be subscribed without receiving posts.
However, you do not have to be subscribed to post to this list. There
are many people that use gmane to read this list.

HTH,
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Re: camera and mounting

[amalgam.swhe]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 10:40:05AM +0100, Embrik Kaslegard wrote:
> I've just bought myself a samsung digimax v700 camera. I've tried to mount it
> by adding this line to the /etc/fstab (after I made the catalog mmc in /media)
>  /dev/sdc1   /media/mmc  vfatrw,user,noauto  0   0
> 
> This is probably not enough, though it is anough to mount an MP3-player.
> 
> I get this message when I try to open:
> mount: special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist
  the device may not be /dev/sdc1
  run dmesg & check the result
  or run the command as root:
   "fdisk -l /dev/sda"
   "fdisk -l /dev/sdb"
   "fdisk -l /dev/sdc"
  with the result u can get the device name u would use to mount

> Please check that the disk is entered correctly.
> 
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can i be sub'd but not receive posts?

[David M. Besonen]

hi all,

just sub'd to this mailing list.

i would like to be able to post and i would like to 
have no posts delivered to me.  i'll read the list 
from gmane.

is this possible?  if so, is there a smartlist command 
i can issue to effect this change or do i need to 
contact the list admin?

thanks,
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Re: Command-line/batch tools for handling mail attachments?

[Karl O. Pinc]

On 01/12/2006 02:35:06 PM, Jim Holland wrote:

Hi

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Karl O. Pinc wrote:
>
> What about mimedecode?

I hadn't come across that before.  I tested it with various encoded
messages and it didn't do anything at all - output was the same as
input.
It seems to be designed only to handle subparts of content-type text,
not
actual attachments.  It could be handy if it extracted all the text
and
left the rest, but its output includes all the encoding as well.


The way I've used it is to give it entire emails, envelope headers
and all, and let it do it's thing.  Then I sort through the resultant
directory of output, which contains all the parts of the email original
body message text as well as attachments et-al.

IIRC, YMMV.


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Re: Re: Installing packages larger than 1.44MB via floppy disks

[Padilla C, Miguel Angel]

Re: Problem with package linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.6.12-1-k7

[David Castor]

On 1/12/06, Christoph Nenning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> and depmod -ae says:
> WARNING: Loop detected: /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/p80211.ko which
> needs p80211.ko again!
> WARNING: Module /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/p80211.ko ignored, due
> to loop
> WARNING: Module /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/prism2_usb.ko ignored,
> due to loop
> WARNING: Module /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/prism2_plx.ko ignored,
> due to loop
> WARNING: Module /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/prism2_pci.ko ignored,
> due to loop
> WARNING: Module /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/prism2_cs.ko ignored,
> due to loop

This is the same bug I found in the 386 testing version.  There is a
bug report on this.  The linux-wlan-ng version(..-7) in the unstable
distribution has been fixed, but you'll have to download the source
and compile it with module-assistant.

Once I did that, it has been working with my DWL-122, although I have
to fiddle with it a bit at boot time.

Good luck,
Dave

Re: Should I Abandon Mutt and Exim4?

[CaT]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:07:56PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> I have spent a couple of days trying to configure Exim4 so as to be able 
> to respond to postings from Mutt but without success.

It should just work[tm]. What error messages are you getting from mutt?
Are there any entries in your main, reject and panic logfiles that are
pertinent to your attempt to send out a msg (either because they happen
at around thesame time or for other reasons).

It's hard to help debug without useful info. :)

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Re: Should I Abandon Mutt and Exim4?

[Gregory Seidman]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 06:20:04PM -0500, Dan Martins wrote:
[...]
} Hi, I JUST finished setting up mail using fetchmail/procmail/exim4/mutt. 
} What a pain! I found this website very helpful: 
} http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~lativyn/articles/debian-mutt/
} If found all of the other articles i came across were too complicated to 
} just get things working on a single user PC.
} 
} Now that I have it working i'm glad i spent the time on it.

Wow, really? I have things set up with three fetchmail accounts (two go to
my mailboxes, one to my wife's), exim4, procmail, spamc/spamd, and
courier-imap. Of those, the hard parts (in order of difficulty) were:

1) procmail -- I still don't properly understand how to write my own
   recipes; all of mine are cut and paste or modified from cut
   and paste

2) exim4 w/ maildir -- This took some digging to figure out, but it's a
   matter of the line I mentioned in the previous post
   in the /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf and running
   update-exim4.conf && /etc/init.d/exim4 reload. The
   line is: dc_localdelivery='maildir_home'

3) courier-imap auth -- I didn't want to use my login password for IMAP, so
I used authuserdb. This just involved the userdb*
commands from courier-imap and changing the
/etc/courier/authdaemonrc to use authuserdb.

4) mutt config -- I copied someone else's and gradually customized it. I'm
  using m4 cleverness for mailing list subscriptions.

5) spamassassin user_prefs -- I shouldn't discount this, since I had
  developed it over the course of years on a
  system someone else administered, but it was
  incremental improvements.

6) /etc/fetchmailrc -- Building the fetchmailrc, especially figuring out
   how to make sure that it wouldn't overwhelm
   spamassassin or exim4, was a little challenging. I
   used fetchmailconf for it, though, so it was
   moderately easy.

7) debconf -- Using debconf to make exim4 use a smarthost was dead easy.

8) software install -- apt-get install, baby!
   spamassassin procmail fetchmail courier-imap mutt

There are some embellishments, such as having three accounts with the same
UID so that I can receive mail to root on one, mail to my private address
on another, and mail to my mailing list address on another, each of which
are separate maildirs that mutt considers mail spools. I could do it with
procmail, I think, but it's easier (if not simpler) to do it with three
accounts.

--Greg


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Re: Should I Abandon Mutt and Exim4?

[Dan Martins]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:51:51PM -0500, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:07:56PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> } I have spent a couple of days trying to configure Exim4 so as to be able 
> } to respond to postings from Mutt but without success.
> } 
> } All this time Mozilla has posted my items to the list with no 
> } difficulties and I find Mozilla will thread the downloads from the list 
> } by subject.  I have not yet found, if they exist, the equivilents of 
> } Mutt's C^d to delete an entire string and L to post response to the list 
> } but I can manage without these if necessary.
> } 
> } I like Mutt, opened from the console I can read the messages without my 
> } glasses and responding with exim used to work,  but do I really need 
> } it?  Are others working just with Mozilla?
> 
> I haven't been following the mozilla + mutt thread, if that's the one
> you're talking about. I am, however, successfully using mutt and exim4
> together. I didn't really do anything special, though. My muttrc has a
> somewhat complex configuration for mailing lists, but my exim4 config is
> nothing more than a smarthost configuration, plus the following additional
> line in my /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf to use ~/Maildir instead of
> /var/mail/$USER:
> 
> dc_localdelivery='maildir_home'
> 
> } Tom George
> --Greg
> 
Hi, I JUST finished setting up mail using fetchmail/procmail/exim4/mutt. 
What a pain! I found this website very helpful: 
http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~lativyn/articles/debian-mutt/
If found all of the other articles i came across were too complicated to 
just get things working on a single user PC.

Now that I have it working i'm glad i spent the time on it.


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Problem with package linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.6.12-1-k7

[Christoph Nenning]

Hi,

I want to use a D-Link DWL-122 USB-WLAN adapter.
As I'am using Debian kernel 2.6.12-1-k7 I installed the package containing the 
modules for prism2 (linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.6.12-1-k7). When I plug in the 
stick I get 

kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcdand address 4
usb.agent[7120]:  prism2_usb: loaded successfully

in /var/log/messages

but lsmod tells me that the module is not loaded.

modprobe prism2_usb gives:
FATAL: Module prism2_usb not found.

and depmod -ae says:
WARNING: Loop detected: /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/p80211.ko which 
needs p80211.ko again!
WARNING: Module /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/p80211.ko ignored, due 
to loop
WARNING: Module /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/prism2_usb.ko ignored, 
due to loop
WARNING: Module /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/prism2_plx.ko ignored, 
due to loop
WARNING: Module /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/prism2_pci.ko ignored, 
due to loop
WARNING: Module /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-k7/linux-wlan-ng/prism2_cs.ko ignored, 
due to loop


So what is wrong here???


Christoph


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Re: Should I Abandon Mutt and Exim4?

[Gregory Seidman]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 05:07:56PM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
} I have spent a couple of days trying to configure Exim4 so as to be able 
} to respond to postings from Mutt but without success.
} 
} All this time Mozilla has posted my items to the list with no 
} difficulties and I find Mozilla will thread the downloads from the list 
} by subject.  I have not yet found, if they exist, the equivilents of 
} Mutt's C^d to delete an entire string and L to post response to the list 
} but I can manage without these if necessary.
} 
} I like Mutt, opened from the console I can read the messages without my 
} glasses and responding with exim used to work,  but do I really need 
} it?  Are others working just with Mozilla?

I haven't been following the mozilla + mutt thread, if that's the one
you're talking about. I am, however, successfully using mutt and exim4
together. I didn't really do anything special, though. My muttrc has a
somewhat complex configuration for mailing lists, but my exim4 config is
nothing more than a smarthost configuration, plus the following additional
line in my /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf to use ~/Maildir instead of
/var/mail/$USER:

dc_localdelivery='maildir_home'

} Tom George
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Re: Udev, USB and LVM

[Andy Hawkins]

Hi,

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   John L Fjellstad<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Never done this, but you can put scripts into the /etc/dev.d
> directory. These are called after a node has been created by udev.
> Check the udev man pages.

Thanks, I'll check that out.

Andy


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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[John Hasler]

Ron Johnson writes:
> Why is it that thugs can extort protection money from small business
> owners?  Because to those businessmen, the pain of losing that business
> which his life is poured into, and which supports his family is greater
> than giving away some money.

Exactly.  And so they choose to pay taxes^H^H^H^H^Hprotection money.  This
may be the best choice they can make for themselves and their families,
but it is still a choice.
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Re: Udev, USB and LVM

[Andy Hawkins]

Hi,

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   John L Fjellstad<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PROGRAM key is used for rule matching.

Yeah, I spotted that. However, there is a 'RUN' key. However, this isn't
mentioned in the version of udev in debian stable.

I tried installing udev from backports.org, but it wanted to remove lvm. Not
very useful :)

Andy


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Re: who is r/w-ing my hdd?

[Matthias Pfeifer]

Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
at.bofh.it:

> 
> How huch RAM & which daemons do you have running?  If your system
> is RAM-constrained, it will be page a lot.
> 

There is actually swap space used in my system but hardly.
I have 256MB of ram and i can boot without swap-disk and
get the same behaviour.
I just tested a naked X-server (starting "X" on my console)
and there the disk was silent...

matthias


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Re: Should I Abandon Mutt and Exim4?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:07:56 -0500
"Thomas H. George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have spent a couple of days trying to configure Exim4 so as to be able 
> to respond to postings from Mutt but without success.
> 
> All this time Mozilla has posted my items to the list with no 
> difficulties and I find Mozilla will thread the downloads from the list 
> by subject.  I have not yet found, if they exist, the equivilents of 
> Mutt's C^d to delete an entire string and L to post response to the list 
> but I can manage without these if necessary.
> 
> I like Mutt, opened from the console I can read the messages without my 
> glasses and responding with exim used to work,  but do I really need 
> it?  Are others working just with Mozilla?

fwiw I use sylpheed (for about a week now) and like it quite a bit. very 
customizable. But, I have trouble believing that you're mutt/exim problem can't 
be solved. But, I know naught of these things.

A

> 
> Tom George
> 
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Re: Command-line/batch tools for handling mail attachments?

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2006-01-11 at 15:49 +, Don McLaughlin wrote:
> I'd appreciate any pointers to some command-line tools for doing the
> following.
> 
> (1) Take mail and news messages as input files and produce as output
> files the same messages but with all the attachments, HTML parts,
> and other non-plain-text stuff deleted, keeping the headers and
> the plain-text of the body, as if the sender had written the
> message without attachments or HTML.
> 
> What I really want to do is use maildirs and news spools as input
> and produce a directory of cleaned files, which will then be used
> for corpus linguistics. But if I can find a straight filter
> program (stdin, stdout) and I can write a script to find -exec it.
> 
> I looked at mimefilter but I don't want to generate outgoing
> messages to the senders and all that.
> 
> 
> (2) Take a mail message file as input and output a directory
> containing separate files of the decoded attachments and the text
> of the message (preferably with the mail headers).
> 
> This would be for archiving my own e-mail.

Maybe this would help.

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Re: sarge problem with additional partitions - S05keymap.sh...wouldn't be executed

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 21:39:58 +0100
Thomas Börnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 12:28 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:54 +0100
> > Thomas Börnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > hi list,
> > > 
> > > i've installed a default sarge, with additional partitions
> > > e.x. /usr
> > > 
> > > # mount
> > > /dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
> > > proc on /proc type proc (rw)
> > > devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
> > > /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> > > /dev/hda8 on /tmp type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> > > /dev/hda5 on /usr type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> > > /dev/hda6 on /var type ext3 (rw)
> > > /dev/hda7 on /home type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> > > 
> > > during the boot the script S05keyman.sh wouldn't be
> > > execute, because the additional partitions except "/"
> > > would be mounted with S35mountall.sh later.
> > > But in the script S05keyman.sh is a test
> > >  snip 
> > > [ -x /usr/bin/unicode_start ] || return
> > > [ -x /usr/bin/unicode_stop ] || return
> > > - snip 
> > > this test failes because /usr isn't mounted.
> > 
> > I'm running sid, but my lines look like this
> > 
> > [ -x /usr/bin/unicode_start ] || [ -x /bin/unicode_start ] ||  
> > return
> > [ -x /usr/bin/unicode_stop ] || [ -x /bin/unicode_stop ] || return
> > 
> > which will check in /bin as well as /usr/bin. might help.
> > 
> > A
> 
> ok, thats a workarround. but i would be interesting if there
> is another solution. or i'm the first user with a /usr partition.

well you're surely not the first. I had sarge with a /usr partition but I don't 
remember the timing as it related to my upgrade to sid. I suppose this could be 
a bug in the script, I can't imagine that one would only look in /usr/bin.

A

> 
> Thomas
> 
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Should I Abandon Mutt and Exim4?

[Thomas H. George]

I have spent a couple of days trying to configure Exim4 so as to be able 
to respond to postings from Mutt but without success.


All this time Mozilla has posted my items to the list with no 
difficulties and I find Mozilla will thread the downloads from the list 
by subject.  I have not yet found, if they exist, the equivilents of 
Mutt's C^d to delete an entire string and L to post response to the list 
but I can manage without these if necessary.


I like Mutt, opened from the console I can read the messages without my 
glasses and responding with exim used to work,  but do I really need 
it?  Are others working just with Mozilla?


Tom George


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Re: OT --was Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[Richard Lyons]

On Thursday, 12 January 2006 at 13:01:05 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:10 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > richard writes:
> > > Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make
> > > more difference.
> > 
> > Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually choose to
> > take individual actions.
> 
> I don't know how it works in the post-modern EU, but in the rest
> of the world, if you choose not to obey orders from the leaders
> you have sworn to obey, the coercive power of the state lands full
> square on your shoulders.
> 
> Even in the USA, where you swear to obey all *lawful* orders.

A wise man swears to obey after he knows what the orders are.

-- 
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Re: Udev, USB and LVM

[John L Fjellstad]

Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> this is probably no help, but I think you can write udev rules to
> handle this stuff. I know there is a PROGRAM key in udev that might
> serve your purpose. Unfortunately I'm only just learning about
> udev. check the archives for more info and man udev.

PROGRAM key is used for rule matching.

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Re: Udev, USB and LVM

[John L Fjellstad]

Andy Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Can anyone tell me what I need to do (presumably in udev) to arrange for
> vgscan and vgchange to be exectued when this drive is detected? I already
> have udev rules to give it a persistent name, so udev is set up to some
> extent. What I need now is to be able to execute some script (presumably
> from udev) when this drive is detected.

Never done this, but you can put scripts into the /etc/dev.d
directory. These are called after a node has been created by udev.
Check the udev man pages.

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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 14:33 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Ron Johnson writes:
> > I don't know how it works in the post-modern EU, but in the rest of the
> > world, if you choose not to obey orders from the leaders you have sworn
> > to obey...
> 
> _Chosen_ to swear to obey.
> 
> > ...the coercive power of the state lands full square on your shoulders.
> 
> The individual officer chooses to give the order and the individual soldier
> chooses to obey it.  The fact that he does so because he finds the
> alternative choices unpalatable does not negate the fact that he chooses to
> obey.
> 
> Other people, whether "leaders" or thugs in an alley, cannot make you do
> anything.  All they can do is punish or reward what you choose to do.

You mean "thinking man can not be ruled"?

Why is it that thugs can extort protection money from small business
owners?  Because to those businessmen, the pain of losing that
business which his life is poured into, and which supports his 
family is greater than giving away some money.

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Jefferson, LA USA

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necessity."
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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[John Hasler]

Ron Johnson writes:
> I don't know how it works in the post-modern EU, but in the rest of the
> world, if you choose not to obey orders from the leaders you have sworn
> to obey...

_Chosen_ to swear to obey.

> ...the coercive power of the state lands full square on your shoulders.

The individual officer chooses to give the order and the individual soldier
chooses to obey it.  The fact that he does so because he finds the
alternative choices unpalatable does not negate the fact that he chooses to
obey.

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Re: camera and mounting

[Paul E Condon]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 10:40:05AM +0100, Embrik Kaslegard wrote:
> I've just bought myself a samsung digimax v700 camera. I've tried to mount it 
> by adding this line to the /etc/fstab (after I made the catalog mmc in /media)
>   /dev/sdc1   /media/mmc  vfatrw,user,noauto  0   0
>  
>  This is probably not enough, though it is anough to mount an MP3-player. 
>  
>  I get this message when I try to open:
>  
>  mount: special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist
>  Please check that the disk is entered correctly.
>  
>  Any sugestions?
>  

I'm not an expert, but here are some issues to address:

1) You mention an MP3 player. You therefore have more than one
USB device. Depending on the order in which you plug them in and
unplug them, they will be assigned to different scsi device IDs,
_unless_ you install and configure special software.

2) What you need to do depends on which kernel you are running.
Different steps for 2.4 and 2.6 kernels.

3) You may get lucky and stumble into a working arrangement in
just a few steps, but now that you have two usb devices, I 
suggest you step back and investigate kernel 2.6, and udev.
udev _must_ be configured in order to achieve benefits. As 
installed, it simply reimplements status quo ante device handling
policy. 

Sorry for the somewhat scary message, but I wasted a lot of time
on 3 cameras, 5 flash memories, and a flatbed scanner before I
broke down and RTFM.

HTH

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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[Mike McCarty]

Carl Fink wrote:

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:



Well, since we are in FULL TOPIC DRIFT MODE, there is a Navy
chaplain who is on hunger strike here in the USA because he
has been ordered not to pray in public in uniform "in the name
of Jesus Christ". He claims that this is not a lawful order.



No, actually that ended.


Really? I heard him interviewed on the radio within the last
week. Do you know the outcome?

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Re: sarge problem with additional partitions - S05keymap.sh...wouldn't be executed

[Thomas Börnert]

On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 12:28 -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:54 +0100
> Thomas Börnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > hi list,
> > 
> > i've installed a default sarge, with additional partitions
> > e.x. /usr
> > 
> > # mount
> > /dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
> > proc on /proc type proc (rw)
> > devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
> > /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> > /dev/hda8 on /tmp type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> > /dev/hda5 on /usr type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> > /dev/hda6 on /var type ext3 (rw)
> > /dev/hda7 on /home type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> > 
> > during the boot the script S05keyman.sh wouldn't be
> > execute, because the additional partitions except "/"
> > would be mounted with S35mountall.sh later.
> > But in the script S05keyman.sh is a test
> >  snip 
> > [ -x /usr/bin/unicode_start ] || return
> > [ -x /usr/bin/unicode_stop ] || return
> > - snip 
> > this test failes because /usr isn't mounted.
> 
> I'm running sid, but my lines look like this
> 
> [ -x /usr/bin/unicode_start ] || [ -x /bin/unicode_start ] ||  return
> [ -x /usr/bin/unicode_stop ] || [ -x /bin/unicode_stop ] || return
> 
> which will check in /bin as well as /usr/bin. might help.
> 
> A

ok, thats a workarround. but i would be interesting if there
is another solution. or i'm the first user with a /usr partition.

Thomas


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IBM Z60m w/ sarge

[noc ops]

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has successfully installed sarge on an ibm z60m
laptop?

I looked through http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ibm.html and didn't
find reference. Granted this is a new model but just wondering if anyone
out there is using one.

During an initial bootup sarge couldn't detect the built-in nic card
(broadcom netextreme gigabit ethernet) but booting via a live ubuntu cd
caught it :-)


Any pointers will be appreciated.



regards,
/virendra


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Re: Command-line/batch tools for handling mail attachments?

[Jim Holland]

Hi

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Karl O. Pinc wrote:

> On 01/12/2006 01:34:42 PM, Jim Holland wrote:

> > It seemed initially that uudeview could do it all out of the box -
> > decoding MIME base64, uuencoding, BinHex etc.  It does that all very
> > well - even with broken boundary lines and missing headers etc.  
> > However the more I tested it the more problems I found with loss of
> > the text part of messages in the output, leading to the script getting
> > more and more complicated in order to be able to handle each
> > exception.
> 
> What about mimedecode?

I hadn't come across that before.  I tested it with various encoded
messages and it didn't do anything at all - output was the same as input.
It seems to be designed only to handle subparts of content-type text, not
actual attachments.  It could be handy if it extracted all the text and 
left the rest, but its output includes all the encoding as well.

At the moment MANGO is using metamail, but it has many limitations, as 
does munpack.  I just want something which will take a message as input 
and then extract headers, text and attachments, regardless of encoding (or 
else at least handle MIME base64, quoted-printable, uuencoding and 
BinHex).

Regards

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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[Carl Fink]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:

> Well, since we are in FULL TOPIC DRIFT MODE, there is a Navy
> chaplain who is on hunger strike here in the USA because he
> has been ordered not to pray in public in uniform "in the name
> of Jesus Christ". He claims that this is not a lawful order.

No, actually that ended.
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Re: apache2

[Simo Kauppi]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 11:21:00AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi Clive,
> 
> > You need to install apache2-doc
> 
> thx, after installing it the documentation link works. Fine, but one
> curious thing is
> it only works from the machine i installed the apache. On this machine
> the default apache page is in english. When i call the default page
> from another machine
> the default page is in german, and if i click the documentation link it
> isnt found ;)
> Is this correct behaviour or should the link direct me to english
> documentation?

Hi,

You probably have the content negotiation on, so the pages show in the
preferred language (which is set in the browser). English is probably
the default, when the browser doesn't have preference (in Firefox Edit
-> Preferences -> Advanced -> General -> Edit languages...).

Why the documentation doesn't show from another machine could be
because of the permissions. Check the /etc/apache2/conf.d/apache2-doc
file and adjust the 'Allow from' according to your needs.

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Re: sarge problem with additional partitions - S05keymap.sh ...wouldn't be executed

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:26:54 +0100
Thomas Börnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hi list,
> 
> i've installed a default sarge, with additional partitions
> e.x. /usr
> 
> # mount
> /dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
> /dev/hda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> /dev/hda8 on /tmp type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> /dev/hda5 on /usr type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> /dev/hda6 on /var type ext3 (rw)
> /dev/hda7 on /home type ext3 (rw,nosuid)
> 
> during the boot the script S05keyman.sh wouldn't be
> execute, because the additional partitions except "/"
> would be mounted with S35mountall.sh later.
> But in the script S05keyman.sh is a test
>  snip 
> [ -x /usr/bin/unicode_start ] || return
> [ -x /usr/bin/unicode_stop ] || return
> - snip 
> this test failes because /usr isn't mounted.

I'm running sid, but my lines look like this

[ -x /usr/bin/unicode_start ] || [ -x /bin/unicode_start ] ||  return
[ -x /usr/bin/unicode_stop ] || [ -x /bin/unicode_stop ] || return

which will check in /bin as well as /usr/bin. might help.

A

> 
> in this case no environment isn't set.
> 
> Have everyone an idea ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Thomas
> 
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NFS rooting current root

[Lukas Ruf]

Dear all,

are there any opinions on risks and benefits of exporting my
server root (/boot, /etc, /usr, /dev, /sys) read-only to the
client that provides just /var and does an nfsroot mount of
the read-only exported one??

Thanks for any hands-on experience hints.

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Re: apt-listbugs and security

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:02:07 + (GMT)
david cuthbertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Installing sudo returns the apt-listbugs message:
> 
> Critical bugs of sudo (-> 1.6.8p7-1.2 )
> #315115 -[bugtrak] sudo version 1.6.8p9 now available,
> fixes security issue.
> Merged with:315718
> 
> The trouble is that I can't find v. 1.6.8p9 from the
> stable package list, and etch provides sudo
> 1.6.8p12-1, but I would rather not have a mixed
> system.

This is a concern. If bugtrak says 1.6.8p9 is available then it should come 
down the pipe with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade.

do you have security.debian.org in your sources.list?

A
> 
> What is the best way of dealing with this?
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315115
> provides me with more information than I can easily
> manage.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
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Re: Free Memory and Tasks

[Marco]

Karl O. Pinc ha scritto:


On 01/11/2006 03:30:07 PM, Marco wrote:


Every day my free memory decrease and I don't understand why...


BTW, you want your free memory to decrease becase memory
is no good unless it's used.  If it's not used for anything
else the OS uses it for disk buffers.

See also vmstat & ps -axv

I Karl,
this is my memory statistics:
1295184k total,   664740k used,   630444k free,85144k buffers
and every day my free memory decrease.

Spamd (5 child in total) use 15% of memory!!! (Now I don't receve 
e-mail, because this server is in testing and the smtp port is closed)
Apache2 (7 child in total) use 13% of memory!!! (Now I'don't web 
traffic, my port 80 is closed!)


Any idea?
Thanks
Marco


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Re: camera and mounting

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:40:05 +0100 (CET)
Embrik Kaslegard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've just bought myself a samsung digimax v700 camera. I've tried to mount it 
> by adding this line to the /etc/fstab (after I made the catalog mmc in /media)
>   /dev/sdc1   /media/mmc  vfatrw,user,noauto  0   0
>  
>  This is probably not enough, though it is anough to mount an MP3-player. 
>  
>  I get this message when I try to open:
>  
>  mount: special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist
>  Please check that the disk is entered correctly.

do you know that the camera shows up as /dev/sdc*? 

as root
tail -f /var/log/messages

and watch the output while you plug in the camera. It should tell you what 
device.

A

>  
>  Any sugestions?
>  
>  
> 
> 
> Embrik Kaslegard
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Re: (SOLVED) Logrotate don't route

[Marco]

David Jardine ha scritto:

On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 10:14:35PM +0100, Marco wrote:
  

David Jardine ha scritto:


On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 09:09:57PM +0100, Marco wrote:
 
  

David Jardine ha scritto:
   


On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 10:12:46PM +0100, Marco wrote:

 
  

Hi all,

I have make in /etc/logrotate.d a new file (as name backup) for rotate 
my backup's log.

This is the text in my file:
/var/log/backup {
 rotate 4
 monthly
 compress
 delaycompress
 missingok
 notifempty
 create 640 root adm
}
I have also restart my system, but my log don't route.
  



  

[...]



  
The filename at the end of the command line must be the name of 
the configuration file.


The filename at the top of the configuration file must be the 
name of the file to be rotated.


Is your logfile named - exactly - "/var/log/backup"?  If so, 


logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.d/backup

should work.  
  


  

[...]



  

I David,
I have try with logrotate -fv /var/log/backup and now work correctly. :-)



I don't understand how!  If /var/log/backup is your logfile and 
/etc/logrotate.d/backup is the config file for the rotation of that 
logfile, you need /etc/logrotate.d/backup in the command line.


For the benefit of anyone who might read this later when looking 
for a solution to a similar problem, could you confirm what command 
you used?
  

I David,
Excuse me, I'm crazy :-)
I have correct my /etc/logrotate.d/backup file from:

/var/log/backup {
rotate 4
monthly
compress
delaycompress
missingok
notifempty
create 640 root adm
}

to:

/var/log/backup.log { #(because my backup log is /var/log/backup.log)
rotate 4
monthly
compress
delaycompress
missingok
notifempty
create 640 root adm
}


After I have try with this command "logrotate -f 
/etc/logrotate.d/backup" and now

logrotate work correctly! :-)

(And, by the way, don't send a cc when you reply to the list.)

  

I'm sorry :-)

Thank you very much for your support!!!

Have a nice day!!!

Bye
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Re: Resuming interrupted etch beta Installation over Internet

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:00:57 -0600 (CST)
Gayle Lee Fairless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Assembling the new system at the hardware Special Interest Group 
> (SIG) took little time since the teacher is quite experienced.  We 
> partitioned the Seagate into 3 main areas with a swap partition for Linux 
> as a fourth partition: future Windows XP, swap, Linux ext2, and common 
> data area FAT32.  The system also has a floppy drive, CD-RW (used as a 
> CDROM booter), and ATI Radeon 9550 graphics card.  The keyboard and mouse 
> are PS/2.  The microprocessor is a Pentium 4 Prescott with hyperthreading 
> at 3.2 GHZ.
> 

this should be a snappy setup for you but I have one concern: "future Windows 
XP" partition. Its been a long time since I've installed windows of any flavor, 
but IIRC, the windows installer will write to you master boot record (MBR) and 
not care one lick about the fact that you have another OS on board. There are a 
couple of ways to work around this. 1. install windows first -- well that's 
right out unless you want to go through all this again. 2. make a boot floppy 
that will let you boot into debian when you choose. 3. make a boot floppy to 
boot into Debian and then install a different boot manager (lilo or grub -- 
they both have the +'s and -'s) to allow you to boot either winxp or deb from 
the hard drive. 
Another thing to watch out for is windows potentially 
re-formatting/partitioning the whole drive on install.

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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[Mike McCarty]

Ron Johnson wrote:

On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:10 -0600, John Hasler wrote:


richard writes:


Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make
more difference.


Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually choose to
take individual actions.



I don't know how it works in the post-modern EU, but in the rest
of the world, if you choose not to obey orders from the leaders
you have sworn to obey, the coercive power of the state lands full
square on your shoulders.

Even in the USA, where you swear to obey all *lawful* orders.



Well, since we are in FULL TOPIC DRIFT MODE, there is a Navy
chaplain who is on hunger strike here in the USA because he
has been ordered not to pray in public in uniform "in the name
of Jesus Christ". He claims that this is not a lawful order.

I find it difficult to believe that, for example in Germany,
one has to swear to obey all orders, as opposed to all lawful
orders.

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Re: Command-line/batch tools for handling mail attachments?

[Karl O. Pinc]

On 01/12/2006 01:34:42 PM, Jim Holland wrote:

It seemed initially that uudeview could do it all out of the box -
decoding MIME base64, uuencoding, BinHex etc.  It does that all very
well
- even with broken boundary lines and missing headers etc.  However
the
more I tested it the more problems I found with loss of the text part
of
messages in the output, leading to the script getting more and more
complicated in order to be able to handle each exception.


What about mimedecode?

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Re: apache2

[coderacc]

Hi Clive,

> You need to install apache2-doc

thx, after installing it the documentation link works. Fine, but one
curious thing is
it only works from the machine i installed the apache. On this machine
the default apache page is in english. When i call the default page
from another machine
the default page is in german, and if i click the documentation link it
isnt found ;)
Is this correct behaviour or should the link direct me to english
documentation?

> BTW this is an English language list :)

Sry dont know why i didnt realized it.


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Re: Email login options

[Karl O. Pinc]

On 01/12/2006 09:49:50 AM, Tony Heal wrote:



What I am looking for are solutions/best practices for SMTP
authentication
so local and remote users can use our SMTP server, and pop
authentication
without depending on the Windows domain. Does anyone have any
suggestions
that does not require sending passwords over clear text and allows for
easy
to manage passwords without having to log into the mail server to
change a
users password.


Obviously, you need a separate password store.  LDAP works
very well and was pretty much designed for this.
To allow users to change their password you either
run a webserver and write a php script (or whatever) or
you use the big ldap management tools, which must have
this feature built in even though I've not looked
at them to check.  Unfortunatly,
I'm having a brain fart and can't recall their names.
RedHat bought one from Netscape and open-sourced it and
Novell recently-ish open sourced another.
Then, you require users to authenticate with TLS to do
anything.  That'd be pop3s, imaps, and smtps.
It'll require messing with their clients.

Do not give your users unix accounts.

I'd recommend postfix as the MTA, easy to config and to
secure.  You might look into cyrus for the mail store.

I know this will scale into the thousands of users, and probably
much higher than that.


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Re: Command-line/batch tools for handling mail attachments?

[Jim Holland]

Hi

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Andrew Perrin wrote:

> For both of you, how about formail as a tool?

I already use formail for various tasks related to extracting messages 
from a mailbox - very useful.  However it doesn't handle decoding of 
attachments.

> Or, alternatively, Perl's mail handling modules like
> Mail::Mbox::MessageParser or Mail::MboxParser

Thanks for the tip.  The script is being written in Perl anyway, so these 
may very well be what I want.

It seemed initially that uudeview could do it all out of the box -
decoding MIME base64, uuencoding, BinHex etc.  It does that all very well
- even with broken boundary lines and missing headers etc.  However the
more I tested it the more problems I found with loss of the text part of
messages in the output, leading to the script getting more and more
complicated in order to be able to handle each exception. If I only knew
some C programming then I would edit uudeview to make it do exactly what I
wanted.

The most sophisticated implementation I have seen of Perl modules for
decoding is in Julian Field's MailScanner (virus scanner and spam
detector), which has to be able to decode almost any type of attachment
(even MS-TNEF) before sending it for virus scanning.  Sadly, the
sophistication of that kind of Perl programming is currently beyond me, 
and I just get totally lost.

However, if all else fails I will simply have to start learning more about
Perl.

> Andy (who used MANGOnet while in Zimbabwe in 1992)
 
(We are still going strong - we now have 2500 users even though FidoNet 
is getting very long in the tooth.)

Regards

Jim Holland
System Administrator
MANGO - Zimbabwe's non-profit e-mail service
 
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Jim Holland wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > On 11 Jan 2006, Don McLaughlin wrote:
> >
> >> I'd appreciate any pointers to some command-line tools for doing the
> >> following.
> >>
> >> (1) Take mail and news messages as input files and produce as output
> >> files the same messages but with all the attachments, HTML parts,
> >> and other non-plain-text stuff deleted, keeping the headers and
> >> the plain-text of the body, as if the sender had written the
> >> message without attachments or HTML.
> >>
> >> What I really want to do is use maildirs and news spools as input
> >> and produce a directory of cleaned files, which will then be used
> >> for corpus linguistics. But if I can find a straight filter
> >> program (stdin, stdout) and I can write a script to find -exec it.
> >>
> >> I looked at mimefilter but I don't want to generate outgoing
> >> messages to the senders and all that.
> >>
> >> (2) Take a mail message file as input and output a directory
> >> containing separate files of the decoded attachments and the text
> >> of the message (preferably with the mail headers).
> >>
> >> This would be for archiving my own e-mail.
> >
> > I am currently working on exactly this problem (for a FidoNet/Internet
> > mail gateway), but have no simple solutions.  The best utility that I have
> > come across so far is uudeview, which works well for extracting
> > attachments, but sadly it is not very good at keeping the headers and text
> > from the body of messages.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jim Holland
> > System Administrator
> > MANGO - Zimbabwe's non-profit e-mail service
> >
> >
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Re: Resuming interrupted etch beta Installation over Internet

[Brian Powell]

It sounds like you at least have the base system installed since you
mentioned you rebooted the machine. In order to continue on with the
installation of the selected packages, simply bring the system back up
and log in with the credentials you set up for the root user and type
"base-config" without the quotes and hit enter, that will rerun the
configure script where you can select the packages again to download.



Regards,

BrianOn 1/12/06, Gayle Lee Fairless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I wish to thank the two individuals who answered my previousquestion about the time needed to install Debian etch onto an ASUS P4P800Edeluxe motherboard with a 250 GB Seagate drive.Assembling the new system at the hardware Special Interest Group
(SIG) took little time since the teacher is quite experienced.  Wepartitioned the Seagate into 3 main areas with a swap partition for Linuxas a fourth partition: future Windows XP, swap, Linux ext2, and common
data area FAT32.  The system also has a floppy drive, CD-RW (used as aCDROM booter), and ATI Radeon 9550 graphics card.  The keyboard and mouseare PS/2.  The microprocessor is a Pentium 4 Prescott with hyperthreading
at 3.2 GHZ.The installation proceeded quite well until we ran out of time andhad to abort the downloading of the packages from a local mirror inGeorgia.How do I resume the download?  I may be able to use eth0 which
looks at the motherboard's onboard ethernet capabilities, or I may have tosetup eth1 to a serial port or USB modem to continue the download forseveral nights over my dialup connection (Ugh!).  How do I get a list of
the packages if a friend is willing to download the packages for me andcut/press/burn them to a CDROM?  The list of packages would be the onesthat the installation procedure has 'decided' to download based on our
answers.I am pleased with the way the installation started up.  The basicsystem got installed.  Then the installer kicked out the networkinstallation CDROM and had us to reboot into the newly installed system
which now has hernel 2.6.12 since we chose the standard install commandprovided on the installation CDROM burned from the 150 MB iso for Debianetch.  eth0 will be the name for the GiaLan ethernet built into the
motherboard.  eth1 is free, I guess.  (As an aside, I noted that shpchpgot installed correctly on this system (redetch) whereas it didn't onanother box.  I googled for this and found that shpchp didn't install
elsewhere but haven't a clue what this does or means, if anything.)Thanks for any basic guidelines, insights, etc.  I have read theinstallation manual online and looked over the network CDROM.  It has a
few reference hURL's that need fixing.  Online you just erase the lastpart of the path, and it works!  I also read the errata.  Fortunately theextra size is not an issue for this particular installation.  I have some
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Bug fixing - was: apt-listbugs and security

[david cuthbertson]

Hi, so I guess there is no easy answer:-/
Luckily, in this case the bug-report gives a
workaround that is easy enough:-)

But what is the Debian bug-fixing process?
In this case patch 9 was developed - problem 'fixed' -
but, 205 days later the patched version is still not
available as a .deb package for Sarge, but Etch now
has patch 12 which may or not possess other problems?

I (imho) imagined a different scenario:
Critical bug in package 'foo' spotted in Sarge; patch
written to solve this problem, but this might have
unknown problems so patched 'foo' sent to 'testing';
package 'foo' development frozen till patched 'foo' is
considered stable; patched 'foo' replaces buggy 'foo'
in Sarge; 'foo' development unfrozen.

Any comments? Dave (Please be gentle - I am new to all this:)



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Re: Bug #269499 apache-ssl CustomLog problems

[Almut Behrens]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 10:38:29AM -0500, jef e wrote:
> apache-ssl bug #269499 "apache-ssl: SSL log directives don't work"
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has found or is using an easy workaround for 
> this particular bug that doesn't require a recompile/source code change 
>  of the package as mentioned in the bug report correspondence.
> 
> It seems that the syntax given to get the ciper info, etc is broken. The 
> supplied httpd.conf syntax doesn't work.
> 
> CustomLog   /var/log/apache-ssl/ssl.log "%t %{version}c %{cipher}c 
> %{clientcert}c"
> 
> Output to the log file only returns output like this:
> [12/Jan/2006:09:34:42 -0500] - - -
> [12/Jan/2006:09:34:42 -0500] + + +
> [12/Jan/2006:09:34:42 -0500] + + +
> 
> 
> This bug has been outstanding for over a year and was apparently kicked 
> back upstream to apache-ssl. However, their page also references the 
> broken syntax.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas or experiences short of rebuilding it?

You might try using mod_ssl-supplied environment variables instead.
The following log directive should give approximately the same info:

  "%t %{SSL_PROTOCOL}x %{SSL_CIPHER}x CERT:%{SSL_CLIENT_CERT}x"

Unfortunately, the certificate gets split across several lines, which
could make parsing a little ugly, e.g.

[12/Jan/2006:18:45:38 +0100] TLSv1 RC4-MD5 -BEGIN CERTIFICATE-
CzAJBgNVBAgTAkJXMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlUdWViaW5nZW4xHzAdBgNVBAoTFnNjaWVu
... rest of PEM encoded certificate here ...
6ZcBaCqLrMk=
-END CERTIFICATE-

but maybe you don't actually want the full certificate, but rather its
DN or something... (for which there are specific variables).

See here for details:
http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_reference.html#table4
http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_compat.html#ToC2

Cheers,
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Resuming interrupted etch beta Installation over Internet

[Gayle Lee Fairless]

I wish to thank the two individuals who answered my previous
question about the time needed to install Debian etch onto an ASUS P4P800E
deluxe motherboard with a 250 GB Seagate drive.

Assembling the new system at the hardware Special Interest Group 
(SIG) took little time since the teacher is quite experienced.  We 
partitioned the Seagate into 3 main areas with a swap partition for Linux 
as a fourth partition: future Windows XP, swap, Linux ext2, and common 
data area FAT32.  The system also has a floppy drive, CD-RW (used as a 
CDROM booter), and ATI Radeon 9550 graphics card.  The keyboard and mouse 
are PS/2.  The microprocessor is a Pentium 4 Prescott with hyperthreading 
at 3.2 GHZ.

The installation proceeded quite well until we ran out of time and 
had to abort the downloading of the packages from a local mirror in 
Georgia.

How do I resume the download?  I may be able to use eth0 which 
looks at the motherboard's onboard ethernet capabilities, or I may have to 
setup eth1 to a serial port or USB modem to continue the download for 
several nights over my dialup connection (Ugh!).  How do I get a list of 
the packages if a friend is willing to download the packages for me and 
cut/press/burn them to a CDROM?  The list of packages would be the ones 
that the installation procedure has 'decided' to download based on our 
answers.

I am pleased with the way the installation started up.  The basic
system got installed.  Then the installer kicked out the network
installation CDROM and had us to reboot into the newly installed system
which now has hernel 2.6.12 since we chose the standard install command
provided on the installation CDROM burned from the 150 MB iso for Debian
etch.  eth0 will be the name for the GiaLan ethernet built into the
motherboard.  eth1 is free, I guess.  (As an aside, I noted that shpchp
got installed correctly on this system (redetch) whereas it didn't on
another box.  I googled for this and found that shpchp didn't install
elsewhere but haven't a clue what this does or means, if anything.)

Thanks for any basic guidelines, insights, etc.  I have read the 
installation manual online and looked over the network CDROM.  It has a 
few reference hURL's that need fixing.  Online you just erase the last 
part of the path, and it works!  I also read the errata.  Fortunately the 
extra size is not an issue for this particular installation.  I have some 
experience with Debian GNU/Linux woody upgraded to sarge on another box.

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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[Juergen Fiedler]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 10:40:19AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Mike McCarty wrote:
> > John Hasler wrote:
> >> richard writes:
> >>> Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make
> >>> more difference.
> >> Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually
> >> choose to
> >> take individual actions.
> > Thank you. Precisely my point.
> 
> And more to the point when it comes to democratic republics, individuals
> collectively choose the individual with whom control of the armies and police
> forces rests.

Sometimes, though, they pick from a very limited set of choices, none
of which may be satisfactory, who they would like to recommend to the
people who do the real choosing. This pick is typically based on
incomplete and occasionally false information and on promises that are
almost guaranteed to be broken. Yum.

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Re: who is r/w-ing my hdd?

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 18:10 +, Matthias wrote:
> Subject: who is r/w-ing my hdd?
> Newsgroups: RWTHNEWS:linux.debian.user
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am searching the source of some every 2/3 seconds
> happening harddisk read/write operation. It is
> really annoying - even if there is (from my side)
> no system activity at all. I also fear the health
> of my hardware if this cant be settled (may be there
> is no reason to do so - but i cant judge). Up to
> the current point of investigation i blame it to
> the X server (4.3 i guess, the default one...)
> I was using fvwm (no gnome) before and there was
> the same thing going on. Since x server is the only
> thing the both setups have in common this should
> be it. also when i do "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" hdd
> accesses stop, too. I have never witnessed such
> behaviour on any system i was using. So i guess
> there must be something wrong in my setup (i
> am keeping it very much to default). I also tried
> to upgrade to x11.org from backports-sarge at
> www.backports.org with no luck.
> 
> my system is up to date using the mirror
> sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
> 
> (whatever you call up to date with debian ;-))

How huch RAM & which daemons do you have running?  If your system
is RAM-constrained, it will be page a lot.

-- 
-
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Jefferson, LA USA

"Go not unto the Usenet for advice, for you will be told both
yea and nay (and quite a few things that just have nothing at
all to do with the question)."
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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 11:10 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> richard writes:
> > Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make
> > more difference.
> 
> Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually choose to
> take individual actions.

I don't know how it works in the post-modern EU, but in the rest
of the world, if you choose not to obey orders from the leaders
you have sworn to obey, the coercive power of the state lands full
square on your shoulders.

Even in the USA, where you swear to obey all *lawful* orders.

-- 
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"The idea that a congressman would be tainted by accepting money
from private industry or private sources is essentially a
socialist argument."
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Re: Command-line/batch tools for handling mail attachments?

[Andrew Perrin]

For both of you, how about formail as a tool? Or, alternatively, Perl's 
mail handling modules like Mail::Mbox::MessageParser or Mail::MboxParser ?


Cheers,
Andy (who used MANGOnet while in Zimbabwe in 1992)

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Jim Holland wrote:


Hi

On 11 Jan 2006, Don McLaughlin wrote:


I'd appreciate any pointers to some command-line tools for doing the
following.

(1) Take mail and news messages as input files and produce as output
files the same messages but with all the attachments, HTML parts,
and other non-plain-text stuff deleted, keeping the headers and
the plain-text of the body, as if the sender had written the
message without attachments or HTML.

What I really want to do is use maildirs and news spools as input
and produce a directory of cleaned files, which will then be used
for corpus linguistics. But if I can find a straight filter
program (stdin, stdout) and I can write a script to find -exec it.

I looked at mimefilter but I don't want to generate outgoing
messages to the senders and all that.

(2) Take a mail message file as input and output a directory
containing separate files of the decoded attachments and the text
of the message (preferably with the mail headers).

This would be for archiving my own e-mail.


I am currently working on exactly this problem (for a FidoNet/Internet
mail gateway), but have no simple solutions.  The best utility that I have
come across so far is uudeview, which works well for extracting
attachments, but sadly it is not very good at keeping the headers and text
from the body of messages.

Regards

Jim Holland
System Administrator
MANGO - Zimbabwe's non-profit e-mail service



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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[Steve Lamb]

Mike McCarty wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>> richard writes:
>>> Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make
>>> more difference.
>> Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually
>> choose to
>> take individual actions.
> Thank you. Precisely my point.

And more to the point when it comes to democratic republics, individuals
collectively choose the individual with whom control of the armies and police
forces rests.

I cannot recall who said it but I think the above situation and discontent
was best describe thus:  Democracy is the only political system in which the
people both get the leader they chose and the leader they deserve.

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who is r/w-ing my hdd?

[Matthias]

Subject: who is r/w-ing my hdd?
Newsgroups: RWTHNEWS:linux.debian.user

Hello,

I am searching the source of some every 2/3 seconds
happening harddisk read/write operation. It is
really annoying - even if there is (from my side)
no system activity at all. I also fear the health
of my hardware if this cant be settled (may be there
is no reason to do so - but i cant judge). Up to
the current point of investigation i blame it to
the X server (4.3 i guess, the default one...)
I was using fvwm (no gnome) before and there was
the same thing going on. Since x server is the only
thing the both setups have in common this should
be it. also when i do "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" hdd
accesses stop, too. I have never witnessed such
behaviour on any system i was using. So i guess
there must be something wrong in my setup (i
am keeping it very much to default). I also tried
to upgrade to x11.org from backports-sarge at
www.backports.org with no luck.

my system is up to date using the mirror
sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de

(whatever you call up to date with debian ;-))

Thanks for your help in advance.
Matthias Pfeifer


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Re: Command-line/batch tools for handling mail attachments?

[Jim Holland]

Hi

On 11 Jan 2006, Don McLaughlin wrote:

> I'd appreciate any pointers to some command-line tools for doing the
> following.
> 
> (1) Take mail and news messages as input files and produce as output
> files the same messages but with all the attachments, HTML parts,
> and other non-plain-text stuff deleted, keeping the headers and
> the plain-text of the body, as if the sender had written the
> message without attachments or HTML.
> 
> What I really want to do is use maildirs and news spools as input
> and produce a directory of cleaned files, which will then be used
> for corpus linguistics. But if I can find a straight filter
> program (stdin, stdout) and I can write a script to find -exec it.
> 
> I looked at mimefilter but I don't want to generate outgoing
> messages to the senders and all that.
> 
> (2) Take a mail message file as input and output a directory
> containing separate files of the decoded attachments and the text
> of the message (preferably with the mail headers).
> 
> This would be for archiving my own e-mail.

I am currently working on exactly this problem (for a FidoNet/Internet
mail gateway), but have no simple solutions.  The best utility that I have
come across so far is uudeview, which works well for extracting
attachments, but sadly it is not very good at keeping the headers and text
from the body of messages.

Regards

Jim Holland
System Administrator
MANGO - Zimbabwe's non-profit e-mail service



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Re: OS X & Debian LAN [was: Mac OS X and Debian Linux LAN research.]

[Chinook]

On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:48:49AM -0500, Chinook wrote:
  
I've got /netatalk/ installed and minimally configured on Debian and set 
all the appropriate switches in OS X, and I can look at and move files 
back and forth from either box if I initiate (mount) the server on my 
Mac.  I have not yet installed Howl (mdnsresponder) on the Debian box  
as I'm not sure of the benefit



Another one of those lse ends?Just because it bugs me, I've 
tried several ways of initializing my router to get the Linux box host 
name to show there.


The dhcp3-client suggestion i mentioned trying earlier didn't help 
because (according to the docs) such is intended to apply with 
zones/subnets which I have no need of.  It didn't hurt either. 

I also tried doing the initialization over again with etherconf.  It 
didn't help with the Linux box host name on the router and left me with 
a problem.  When I rebooted Gnome complained that it could not resolve 
"Gnome.example.com" (close, but from memory) and thus would not be fully 
functional.  I had made my own copies of the various /etc host... files 
before using etherconf and rolled back to them, but the issue persisted 
so etherconf directly or indirectly changed something else also (not 
saying it shouldn't).  Next level of roll back was my Mondo system image 
which is the whole kit and kaboodle.


I no doubt am missing something here.  Maybe I should have followed 
etherconf with some sort of Gnome update or gdm reconfigure, but I 
forgot to try and I don't find any explanation anywhere.If you have 
an idea I'm curious :-) 

The long and short of it is that while Debian does a great deal to 
protect against dependencies and conflicting software, newbies, 
intermediates  and old duffers can still discover consistency flaws. 


Lee C

"It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so 
ingenious. "  -- Murphy




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RE: Email login options

[Tony Heal]

True, but then traveling users would have to connect to the vpn before they
could get their email. 2 many steps for them.


Tony Heal
Pace Systems Group, Inc.
800-624-5999
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Zagrabelny [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:31 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Email login options

On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 10:49 -0500, Tony Heal wrote:
> I have a Debian woody server that runs our email (ipopd, 2001adebian-6
> & exim, 3.35-1woody3). We use MS outlook (Office XP) as an email
> client. I currently have SMTP use limited to the net block of our
> office, this causes people in remote sites to have to use EarthLink
> for SMTP, or in my case Bellsouth. Pop is set up to authenticate using
> Kerberos from a Windows domain controller. The email server and domain
> controller are located at different sites
>  
> What I am looking for are solutions/best practices for SMTP
> authentication so local and remote users can use our SMTP server, and
> pop authentication without depending on the Windows domain. Does
> anyone have any suggestions that does not require sending passwords
> over clear text and allows for easy to manage passwords without having
> to log into the mail server to change a users password.
>  
> This is what my boss is asking.
> "remove dependency of domain controller to email, What are our
> options?  Surely there are best practices for this that don't involve
> having users ssh in to maintain their pw's."

not smtp authentication per se, but vpn would solve the problem.

-matt zagrabelny


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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[Mike McCarty]

John Hasler wrote:

richard writes:


Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make
more difference.



Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually choose to
take individual actions.


Thank you. Precisely my point.

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Re: FAT patents. Do we need to revive non-US?

[John Hasler]

richard writes:
> Regrettably, the individuals who control armies and police forces make
> more difference.

Armies and police forces consist of individuals who individually choose to
take individual actions.
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Re: 83 IBM P4 LAPTOPS FOR SALE OFF LEASE

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Jimmy Gent wrote:



This email is in compliance with the anti-spam legislation known as the Can-Spam Act of 
2003 (S.877). According to this federal legislation (which supercedes all state 
legislation) a commercial email is not "spam" (even if it is unsolicited) as 
long as it meets the following requirements:
1) the ad clearly states that it is an advertisement for sale or purchase
2) the ad includes a valid physical address
3) remove instructions are included for those who wish to "opt out"
4) no false or misleading claims are made
5) the "from" line contains correct, valid email address
6) the subject line is not intentionally misleading
The federal government has set up the following web page with summary of the 
anti-spam legislation at this web address   
http://www.spamlaws.com/federal/summ108.html#s877
If you wish to stop receiving our offers please reply with "remove" in the 
subject line. It is not our intention to inconvenience or annoy anyone.



This email violates German (and as far as I know European) law, when it 
passed the Atlantic.


Sometimes it's a pity that German law standards are so different from 
those in the US. Otherwise, I would petition our government to kidnap 
you, send you to some off-shore prison like Guantanamo, employ special 
'interrogation techniques' and finally get you sued to pay a few million 
Euros for infringing my privacy with your spam.


Johannes


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Re: Kontact/KMail problem in sid

[RParr]

Paul Johnson wrote:


After today's apt-get dist-upgrade, I can't check mail anymore.  Checking my
IMAP settings in KMail, I find that the path to IMAP folders has changed to
some incomprehensible nonsense about namespaces that I can't make heads or
tails of.

So, big question:  How do I point contact back at ~/mail/ for imap?

 


Had the same problem which is related to new/enhanced support for IMAP
namespaces.

Solution appears to be to change ~ namespace (in IMAP account config) to
Mail (no slashes).

This got things usable again for me.

Google found me a long discussion of this on the Kmail forums


R.Parr, RHCE, Temporal Arts



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Re: apt-listbugs and security

[Joris Huizer]

david cuthbertson wrote:

Hi,

Installing sudo returns the apt-listbugs message:

Critical bugs of sudo (-> 1.6.8p7-1.2 )
#315115 -[bugtrak] sudo version 1.6.8p9 now available,
fixes security issue.
Merged with:315718

The trouble is that I can't find v. 1.6.8p9 from the
stable package list, and etch provides sudo
1.6.8p12-1, but I would rather not have a mixed
system.

What is the best way of dealing with this?
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315115
provides me with more information than I can easily
manage.

Cheers,
Dave



Well, you can backport it to sarge:
apt-get build-dep sudo
apt-get -b -t testing source sudo
or, alternatively (if it complains about dependencies), do not use the 
-b flag and compile it yourself


But - except for not dragging in dependencies, that still mixes sarge 
with a non-sarge version of sudo :-/


HTH,

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Re: Bug #269499 apache-ssl CustomLog problems

[Simo Kauppi]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 10:38:29AM -0500, jef e wrote:
> apache-ssl bug #269499 "apache-ssl: SSL log directives don't work"
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has found or is using an easy workaround for 
> this particular bug that doesn't require a recompile/source code change 
>  of the package as mentioned in the bug report correspondence.
> 
> It seems that the syntax given to get the ciper info, etc is broken. The 
> supplied httpd.conf syntax doesn't work.
> 
> CustomLog   /var/log/apache-ssl/ssl.log "%t %{version}c %{cipher}c 
> %{clientcert}c"
> 
> Output to the log file only returns output like this:
> [12/Jan/2006:09:34:42 -0500] - - -
> [12/Jan/2006:09:34:42 -0500] + + +
> [12/Jan/2006:09:34:42 -0500] + + +
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> jef

This is probably not helpful, but my apache2 2.0.55-3 gives the wanted
result in the log file. Which apache are you using 1.3 or 2?

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Re: Email login options

[Matt Zagrabelny]

On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 10:49 -0500, Tony Heal wrote:
> I have a Debian woody server that runs our email (ipopd, 2001adebian-6
> & exim, 3.35-1woody3). We use MS outlook (Office XP) as an email
> client. I currently have SMTP use limited to the net block of our
> office, this causes people in remote sites to have to use EarthLink
> for SMTP, or in my case Bellsouth. Pop is set up to authenticate using
> Kerberos from a Windows domain controller. The email server and domain
> controller are located at different sites
>  
> What I am looking for are solutions/best practices for SMTP
> authentication so local and remote users can use our SMTP server, and
> pop authentication without depending on the Windows domain. Does
> anyone have any suggestions that does not require sending passwords
> over clear text and allows for easy to manage passwords without having
> to log into the mail server to change a users password.
>  
> This is what my boss is asking.
> "remove dependency of domain controller to email, What are our
> options?  Surely there are best practices for this that don't involve
> having users ssh in to maintain their pw's."

not smtp authentication per se, but vpn would solve the problem.

-matt zagrabelny


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Re: apt-listbugs and security

[david cuthbertson]

Hi,

Installing sudo returns the apt-listbugs message:

Critical bugs of sudo (-> 1.6.8p7-1.2 )
#315115 -[bugtrak] sudo version 1.6.8p9 now available,
fixes security issue.
Merged with:315718

The trouble is that I can't find v. 1.6.8p9 from the
stable package list, and etch provides sudo
1.6.8p12-1, but I would rather not have a mixed
system.

What is the best way of dealing with this?
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315115
provides me with more information than I can easily
manage.

Cheers,
Dave





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Email login options

[Tony Heal]

I have a Debian 
woody server that runs our email (ipopd, 2001adebian-6 & exim, 
3.35-1woody3). We use MS outlook (Office XP) as an email client. I currently 
have SMTP use limited to the net block of our office, this causes people in 
remote sites to have to use EarthLink for SMTP, or in my case Bellsouth. Pop is 
set up to authenticate using Kerberos from a Windows domain controller. The 
email server and domain controller are located at different 
sites
 
What I am looking 
for are solutions/best practices for SMTP authentication so local and remote 
users can use our SMTP server, and pop authentication without depending on the 
Windows domain. Does anyone have any suggestions that does not require sending 
passwords over clear text and allows for easy to manage passwords without having 
to log into the mail server to change a users password.
 
This is what my boss 
is asking.
"remove dependency 
of domain controller to email, What are our options?  
Surely there are best practices for this that don't involve having users ssh in 
to maintain their pw's."
 
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Pace Systems Group, Inc.
800-624-5999
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Re: apt-get update public key problem

[Michael Marsh]

On 1/12/06, Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for that.  It doesn't actually work for me for reasons I'll read
> up when I have time.
>
> bordello:/home/richard# gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 
> 1F41B907
> gpg: requesting key 1F41B907 from hkp server wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net
> gpg: key 1F41B907: duplicated user ID detected - merged
> gpg: key 1F41B907: "Christian Marillat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" not
> changed
> gpg: Total number processed: 1
> gpg:  unchanged: 1
> bordello:/home/richard# gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add -
> gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
> OK
>
> (This was the second time I tried it, evidently.)

You might have to run "apt-get update" a couple of times.  aptitude
kept complaining about it to me until the next day, when everything
magically worked.

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Re: apt-get update public key problem

[Richard Lyons]

On Thursday,  5 January 2006 at  9:13:41 -0800, John L Fjellstad wrote:
> Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Fetched 2972kB in 1m10s (42.4kB/s)
> > Reading package lists... Done
> > W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid Release: The following signatures
> > couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY
> > 07DC563D1F41B907
> > W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 2970292
> > 3951594
> > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
> 
> You need to add the marillat keys. Check the faq here:
> http://debian.video.free.fr/faq.html

Thanks for that.  It doesn't actually work for me for reasons I'll read
up when I have time.

bordello:/home/richard# gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 
1F41B907
gpg: requesting key 1F41B907 from hkp server wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net
gpg: key 1F41B907: duplicated user ID detected - merged
gpg: key 1F41B907: "Christian Marillat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" not
changed
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:  unchanged: 1
bordello:/home/richard# gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | apt-key add -
gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
OK

(This was the second time I tried it, evidently.)

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Bug #269499 apache-ssl CustomLog problems

[jef e]

apache-ssl bug #269499 "apache-ssl: SSL log directives don't work"

I'm wondering if anyone has found or is using an easy workaround for 
this particular bug that doesn't require a recompile/source code change 
 of the package as mentioned in the bug report correspondence.


It seems that the syntax given to get the ciper info, etc is broken. The 
supplied httpd.conf syntax doesn't work.


CustomLog   /var/log/apache-ssl/ssl.log "%t %{version}c %{cipher}c 
%{clientcert}c"


Output to the log file only returns output like this:
[12/Jan/2006:09:34:42 -0500] - - -
[12/Jan/2006:09:34:42 -0500] + + +
[12/Jan/2006:09:34:42 -0500] + + +


This bug has been outstanding for over a year and was apparently kicked 
back upstream to apache-ssl. However, their page also references the 
broken syntax.


Anyone have any ideas or experiences short of rebuilding it? I'm not 
against doing that, but if I can avoid having to maintain my own 
package, that would help immensely.


Thanks,

jef


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Re: Observations on greylisting (I get no spam any more)

[Richard Lyons]

On Sunday,  8 January 2006 at 23:02:11 -0700, Daniel Webb wrote:
> I have been using the greylistd Debian package by Tor Slettnes for well over a
> year now, and have found something quite astonishing: when I started using
> greylistd, I received around 30-50 spams a day.  I installed greylistd and it
> cut that by about 80%, which is similar to reports by others.  In the last
> several months, it occurred to me that I don't get many spams at all any more,
> so I turned off greylistd.  I receive almost no spam at all now.  Has spam
> drastically fallen in the last year?  One person I know said they get about
> the same as last year.  Is it because the spammers are treating the SMTP "try
> again later" code the same as a bounce and remove me from their lists?
> 
> Believe me, I'm not complaining, but what the heck is up?

I certainly get more every week. My spam count is over 200 per day.
Well, not any more.  I followed your (implicit) advice, and installed
greylistd yesterday.  The first 24 hours caused a reduction to around
12-15 spams.  

So: thanks.  That has improved my quality of life more than most
five-minute actions could.

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SOLVED RE: (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice: No Such Device

[Ed Young]

I solved this by following the note within XF86Config-4 about doing an
md5sum on the file when updating, and by doing a modprobe mousedev. 

I was trying to set the mouse device stanza to specify my /dev/psaux and
PS/2 but It turns out I wasn't really updating the file.

Thanks to everyone for the help. 

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RE: SOLVED New install->Broken X->modprobe mousedev->now X Works, but no mouse

[Ed Young]

I solved this by following the note within XF86Config-4 about doing an
md5sum on the file when updating. 

I was trying to set the mouse device stanza to specify my /dev/psaux and
PS/2 but It turns out I wasn't really updating the file.

Thanks to everyone for the help. 

Ed

-Original Message-
From: Juergen Fiedler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:06 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: New install->Broken X->modprobe mousedev->now X Works, but
no mouse


On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 03:17:24PM -0700, Ed Young wrote:
> Thanks for the reply.
> 
> It's a standard PS/2 mouse with a scroll wheel.
> 
> The mouse works fine under Windows XP(dual boot system) and when I cat

> /dev/input/mice and move the mouse, I get the random characters. The 
> system is a cheapo MicroCenter PowerSpec, but I've had it running 
> Linux and X successfully in the past. As a matter of fact, I installed

> Ubuntu on it the other day just to see if everything worked under 
> Ubuntu and it did. X and the mouse worked fine.
> 
> Very frustrating how much trouble I've been having with this.
> Any other ideas. 
> 
> Ed

Well, the thing that normally works for me is to play around with the
Protocol setting in the InputDevice section for my mouse. Right now, I
only have a USB mouse and the protocol is ImPS/2. I forget what the
other possible values are. Apparently, PS/2 mice do actually require
different protocol settings depending on make and manufacturer.

Do you own/could you borrow or procure an USB mouse? I found them to be
much less painful to configure. You could play around with one of those
to make sure that it's a problem with that particular mouse and not
something more fundamental with X.

Oh and one little anecdote from my vast store of experiences, a
cautionary tale, if you will: Once upon a time, I had a very similar
problem; kept me looking for answers for quite a while. In the end, it
turned out that I had two mouse devices defined in my xorg.conf, but
only one of them (the one that wasn't actually connected) was added to
the ServerLayout section. Things to ponder...

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RE: ndiswrapper -l doesn't return hardware present

[Ed Young]

Unless I'm misinterpreting things, all the google searches I've done
point to this working with ndiswrapper. 
However, I'll take a shot at madwifi if I can find good info. 

Lspci yeilds: 
:00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc.: Unknown
device 0
01a (rev 01)

So I know it's Atheros chipset. 

Thanks, 

Ed


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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:38 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: ndiswrapper -l doesn't return hardware present


On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 11:41:33PM -0700, Ed Young wrote:
> I have a Dlink DWL-G510 that works find under Windows XP (dual boot). 
> I'm trying to get it to work with Debian 3.1r1.
>  
Google for DWL-G510 wireless card Linux chipset

The second entry suggests that you don't use ndiswrapper.

It's likely to be an Atheros chipset: madwifi drivers?


Andy


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Re: display popup message on X with crontab

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Karsten M. Self wrote:

on Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 03:41:52PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

Hi,

How would I popup an informative message on X from a crontab entry?

There is xmessage, but from crontab?


Set your $DISPLAY variable appropriately.

DISPLAY=:0.0 xmessage "My message"

... should work, if not in your crontab entry itself then in a script
called by same.  ":0.0" should work for most circumstances.



Karsten,

Not that way, but:

xmessage -file /xmessage.downmsg.msg -display :1.0

works.
But I cannot get that to work from crontab and at the moment crontab is 
not mailing any actions that I can find.


It works execution a script with that in it.

However, everybody (I have a 2 seater Debian) must issue xhost + from 
their session for it to be allowed.


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Re: Loadable kernel modules not unloadable

[Simo Kauppi]

On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 12:45:10AM -0800, hillbilly wrote:
> Just a question to Marc Perrudin...
> In directory /etc/ only have a modprobe.d/ directory.  Should the
> 'local' file be in there or should I create an /etc/modprobe.conf/
> directory as indicated in your response and place the 'local' file in
> that one instead?

I'll throw my 2 cents in to this thread, because I learned it the hard way...

Before 2.5.something kernel we used modutils. With modutils I edited a file
in the /etc/modutils/ directory and ran update-modules, which resulted
everything concatenated into the /etc/modules.conf file.

Since 2.5.something we use the module-init-tools instead of the modutils. With
the module-init-tools I edit a file in the /etc/modprobe.d/ directory and
that's it.

There is an alternative to editing a file in the /etc/modprobe.d/ directory.
The alternative is to put all the module stuff into the /etc/modprobe.conf
_file_. If the /etc/modprobe.conf file exists, then the /etc/modprobe.d/
directory is not read at all.

I'm not sure what would happen if you have a directory called
/etc/modprobe.conf/, since it is not mentioned in the man page.

See man modprobe.conf for more details...

HTH,
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Re: HELP! My printer won't stop!!

[Richard Lyons]

On Wednesday, 11 January 2006 at 22:21:41 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >did you get any answers. Now my computer is doing something similar. It  
> >keeps printing smiley faces on every page and won't  stop
> >
> 
> The usual cause of this is that the printer has lost synchronization
> with the computer for a moment, and gone back to printing in text
> mode, while the computer is sending graphics. Turn off the printer,
> and cancel any print jobs, then when the jobs are gone, turn the
> printer back on.
> 
> You might look into lpq and cancel.

If you really get stuck, and it still prints after you have cleared lpq
and emptied /var/spool/cups/, then go into the web interface to CUPS,
delete the printer and install it afresh.  The new instance will start
with an empty queue.

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