Re: how to detect if a jpeg file is progressive or not
Wayne Topa wrote:
> All of the inages on our web site are converted with the 'quality 25'
> option. I find a lot of sites with images that are 100K or more just
> take too long to load. There are still a lot of us that live in the
> sticks and don't have access to anything but slow POT lines.
Hi Wayne,
I tried your way and converted all the image with quality 25. You are
right, I couldn't notice any perceptual difference at normal size. The
different is noticable only if you magnify the image.
I had a total of 14 images of size 2272x1704 (taken by a 4 megapixel
digital camera). I reduced them in size (682x511 pixels; or to 30%) and
their quality (to 25). The reduced size images were taking a total of
2.7 MB at default quality. But by using quality 25, the disk space usage
reduced to 0.608 MB! This is a great improvement. (I am still getting
progressive jpegs as the output.)
Here is the command I used to do the conversion (it is a one long line):
$> for f in *.jpg; do echo "$f"; bn=`basename "$f" .jpg`; convert
-resize 30% -quality 25 -interlace plane "$f" ${bn}-small.jpg; done
Thanks,
->HS
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Problems with SkyStar 2 DVB-S card
Hello! We have a Debian unstable gateway installed connected to internet via ADSL and pci dvb card + satellite antenna. We push our requests to our satellite provider through ADSL and get answers via satellite antenna and dvb card. It worked fine, but suddenly, on Sunday something happened and we lost connection to our sattelite internet provider. We double checked the frequencies and symbol rates, everything was fine, the antenna is aligned to the satellite, the signal is adequate and strong enough (we measured it with a special device), finally, we installed this very card from our gateway to another machine (but with a windows OS installed) and everything works fine. We can do "szap -f /etc/channels.conf " and see FEE_HAS_LOCK, we also see that the signal strengh is as usual, we have already had worse one and everything worked fine. But when we do "dvbtraffic" we see no output, as usual (there were some digits, frequencies, bandwidths or something else). We tried to change upgrade the kernel (at the time we use 2.6.12) to 2.6.15, no help. So we are stuck, no more ideas left except trying the fresh install :-)If somebody has ideas or have already had similar situation would you please help. Vladi. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to detect if a jpeg file is progressive or not
Wayne Topa wrote: >>This is a case of compression with a loss in quality. Note that you can >>still have the new smaller image either as progressive or non-progressive. >> > > > I don't see that loss in quality tho. At 1280x1024 they look the > same, to these old eyes anyway, and the savings in size sure is a help > when you are sending images over a 26K POT line. I see that I didn't elaborate properly. There is a lot of quality, however the perceptual quality is not degraded that much. So to a viewer, the smaller sized image file doesn't look that different from the larger file image. Basically, it boils down to decreasing the quality of the jpeg file while maintaining the perceptual quality reasonably well. >>I am still playing around to decide what size (in pixels) images to >>upload for others to view and how much quality to encode the jpegs with. >>In any case, I am planning to upload the larger size images only >>progressive jpegs no matter what quality I use them. > > > All of the inages on our web site are converted with the 'quality 25' > option. I find a lot of sites with images that are 100K or more just > take too long to load. There are still a lot of us that live in the > sticks and don't have access to anything but slow POT lines. I understand. I have a few friends who connect through dialup and they sometimes cannot get connections faster than about 42 kbps. If I am in a situation where I see a larger file image is to be made available, I usually show it's thumbnail and give links to larger image files, e.g. "Medium (50KB)" and "Full (120KB)", so that the user can decide which one he wants to download and view. Having read your above comments, I am going to try this with my images as well. Thanks for your input, regards, ->HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LAN
On 6/1/06, Francesco Pietra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My system consists of two machines, one running debian 32 testing and equipped with KDE, the other one amd64 debian testing with no GUI (undesired) and only X-system and window manager twm. Both operated by single user. Both are connected ADSL through to a common 4-port router Zyxel Prestige 660H. I would be grateful for suggestions as to where to look for directions as to exchanging files through the router between the two machines from terminal window commands. Most common tasks include internet downloading with 32 and passing files to 64, as well as performing calculations at 64 and passing results to 32. If your request is to move files from the 32 to the 64 back and forth, from command line, then another alternative is ftp. I find ftp easier and faster (than scp and nfs) in certain cases. For ftp: 32-bit # apt-get install ftpd 64-bit $ ftp <64 bit ip address> default install will allow you to ftp from the 64 to the 32 as a regular user and get (32 --> 64) and put (64 --> 32) files 1 by 1 or multiple at a time with the mget and mput commands. If want to add the security of ssh/scp to it, try sftp (but that may slow down the transfer speed due to encryption/decryption). HTH, Peter -- Peter Vandenabeele peter AT vandenabeele DOT com http://www.vandenabeele.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free SWF to AVI converter for Sarge
On 6/1/06, Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 03:47:19PM +0530, Siju George wrote: > I installed the w32codecs package and tried again. Did not succeed :-( I just checked, and the version of mencoder on my box will decode SWFs ... but only uncompressed ones, which you almost never see. Sorry. I had only ever done it once. I suppose you could download the free trial version of Flash from Adobe and run it briefly under WINE? -- yes I'll try that, Thankyou so much Carl for your help :-) Kind Regards Siju -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc/hosts.deny how to use it?
Chuck Payne wrote: > Hi, > > I am being hit by some ips that I like to block. I like to know how can > I use hosts.deny for the ALL statement > The hosts.deny file is only used by applications that have been compiled to work with tcpwrappers. If you want a surefire way of blocking IPs, then look at one of the firewall solutions (I prefer shorewall). Alternatively, you can look at a blacklisting daemon, which monitors for suspicious activity and then blacklists the offending IP for a specific length of time. I am not such a big fan of that approach, but it is used. You might also want to consider rate-limiting connections to certain ports (like I have a rate limit of 1/min for ssh connections to my machines, which slows them down enough that they lose interest after the first failed attempt). -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
/etc/hosts.deny how to use it?
Hi, I am being hit by some ips that I like to block. I like to know how can I use hosts.deny for the ALL statement Thanks, Payne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help really needed: Formatted / partition by accident.
On 6/2/06, nick lidakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tried booting after recovering but no luck. Maybe I need to reinstall grub? In my case, TestDisk renumbered the partitions, so I had to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab accordingly. Compare the actual partition numbers with those shown in your configuration files. -- With best regards, Dmitri Minaev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Thursday 01 June 2006 11:09, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > That's typical in elections except ties, and not surprising nobody > > bothered or wanted to check for absentee ballots. This is one of the two > > problems Oregon eliminated by going to vote by mail. > > So, all voting is done by mail? That's different. Yup. That's why Oregon has been consistently 49th to certify in federal elections since we abolished the voting booth in the special election ending on March 9, 2000[1]. It takes longer since we bring the elections to the people instead of the other way around. [1] Special elections were always vote by mail. You can register to vote for any election you will be 18 years or older on the last day of. I (legally) voted to abolish the voting booth when I was 17, as I turned 18 the day before the election ended. Good thing, too... November 2000 was the largest ballot ever issued in Oregon, weighing several pounds when it arrived, spanning two punched cards and three voter's pamphlets, that when stacked, was about as thick as the Metro Portland yellow pages (which, at the time, was *two* average-sized phone books). It took me all weekend to vote in that election, usually it only takes me about four hours or so. Would been faster and cheaper if the Oregon Republicans didn't keep asking for recounts on a couple state congressmen, and in a presidential election that ultimately didn't matter in the least once the SCOTUS decided to declare the final national tally as 5 votes Bush, 4 votes Gore; and if Bill Sizemore[2] and Lon Mabon[3] would learn that anything they put their name to on the ballot has and will always fail by wide margins consistently... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Sizemore [3] Wikipedia strangely lacks an entry for him, probably because it is impossible to write anything about the man from a NPOV. Long story short, he's a homophobic womanizer that keeps floating initiatives to restrict or abolish rights of women, the GLBT community, and minorities. Ironically, he is currently in the process of changing genders and expects to run as Lynn Mabon for governor this November. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgp55f4GcQNwt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Thursday 01 June 2006 13:08, Curt Howland wrote: > On Thursday 01 June 2006 15:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to > > say: > > To my mind, that is when america stopped being a democracy. > > The US was never a democracy. It was founded as a representitive > republic of limited powers. > > It hasn't been a republic since at least the time of a large number of > people being forced at gun point to become "citizens" against their > will, 1865. Just ask Hawai'i! -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpPdIeHarplt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Thursday 01 June 2006 11:59, Curt Howland wrote: > It actually solves a great many problems. There is a paper trail, > which eliminates the greatest threat of electronic voting, > undetectable fraud. It also is convenient for anyone and everyone > equally, people can also vote early if they want. It solves the problem with people voting absentee because they don't want to go into the polling place, and thus their vote not counting except under extraordinary circumstances, too. The only way you can vote absentee here is if you won't be in the state on the last election day (Oregon has roughly 42 election days instead of less than one election day like other states per election cycle, and everybody registered to vote should have their ballot by the fourth or fifth day of the election). > Oregon has a great idea, I hope it spreads. So do I, unfortunately, good ideas don't spread to national status in the US. If good ideas did spread, sales tax would be unconstitutional in more than Oregon and New Hampshire, self-service gasoline would be banned for environmental, speed, cost and safety reasons in more than Oregon and New Jersey (fewer spills, faster moving lines, cheaper gas since the difference isn't being spent on higher insurance premiums to let customers do their job for them), more than Oregon and Illinois would have regional governments and urban growth boundaries, cities other than Portland, Seattle and New York would have the kind of transportation infrastructure that isn't an expensive joke, it would be absolutely unthinkable to have critical infrastructure like transit, electric, phone, water, sewer and garbage to be owned by a private company, and airlines would have to compete against ground transportation with their own money, not tax dollars. > The state where I live cannot even institute a state lottery without the > entire process dripping corruption and bribery, That's normal with lotteries. Oregon didn't have a lottery before a manufacturer of machines to print scratch-its pitched the idea, and that was a long, drawn out battle in the state congress. > In every country that finally gets elections, a clear paper trail is > one of the primary conditions. It would be sad if Americans, who > supposedly stand for that sort of thing, were to so easily be lulledbut at > least they did finally throw out electronic voting. I don't see a problem with electronic voting per se, heck, Oregon counts it's ballots electronically. On the gripping hand, Oregon also requires access to the source code for software used in vote counting. The state is suing Sequioa Software over this right now, as Sequoia sold Oregon vote counting software under those terms, then won't show us the source. Apparently, some other states require access to the source for elections as well, but Oregon is the only one that makes it a prerequisite for deployment. That being said, I'm confident enough in Oregon's ability to enforce this restriction that our problem with electronic voting is how to make it secure and make a paper trail from voting by telephone or online[1]. > That's why the US will be the next country to collapse under fiscal > mismanagement. I only hope it's as comparatively bloodless as the collapse > of the Soviet Union. And people actually have to ask me why I think the Oregon Territory (Oregon, Washington, ~Idaho) needs to secede and undergo a velvet revolution or become Canada's 14th province. [1] I can do my taxes online. I can renew my car registration online. I can request a new address for my driver's license online. I can reserve a campsite at any state park in Oregon online. I can register for unemployment and apply for almost any job in the state, public or private, through the state's website. I'm even required under atrociously excessive penalty of law to go to sss.gov register to be part of a draft to commit atrocities against my will in a foreign land without body armor or adequate training. So why not something as basic as vote? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpUynUmY0BFx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: source code editor
* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jun 01 06:40 -0500]: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * Ivan Glushkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jun 01 03:15 -0500]: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I would like to know which is the best & lightest editor for source code > >> editing, which supports syntax highlighting. Currently when I want to > >> edit fast some C/C++ file I am opening it with pico. I looked around, > >> but it seems like it does not support syntax highlighting. > > > > I've long, almost ten years now, prefered FTE as it is relatively > > lightweight and does a good job with its syntax highlighting. > > Unfortunately, its maintainer is AWOL and it has dependency problems > > that prevent it from being installed since Xorg 7.0 hit Sid. It's a > > shame really. VIM is simply obtuse compared to FTE and I won't even > > touch Emacs. > > Have you tried building it from deb-src? No. I think a number of patches need to be applied first due to the new paths in Xorg 7.0. I think I will try it. Maybe I can get it going and find someone to do an NMU for me. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 01:55:32PM -0400 or thereabouts, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Stephen wrote: > > > > BTW even the U.S. has a commonwealth state -- Massachusetts, which still > > refers to the Governor as "his excellency" a holdover from the British > > tradition when it was the major of the 13 colonies, and the Governor, > > was the Governor General, representative of the Queen of England. > > > > Actually there are for states that are called commonwealths in the US Oh cool. I couldn't remember if there was more than one, so I stuck with what I knew for sure. Thanks for the correction. -- Regards Stephen + AWAKE! FEAR! FIRE! FOES! AWAKE! FEAR! FIRE! FOES! AWAKE! AWAKE! -- J. R. R. Tolkien + signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: fsck on ext3, lost files
On 6/1/06, Rodney D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: gqview. It will show thumbnails of correct pictures Sir, Excellent! Danke. Perhaps Mr. Gary Parker will let us know how he's doing with this problem... -- No no no, my fish's name is Eric, Eric the fish. He's an halibut. I am not a looney! Why should I be tarred with the epithet looney merely because I have a pet halibut? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quad Monitor nVidia on Etch -- UNSTABLE
Hello Andy, Many thanks for the feedback. I've already sent this to nVidia and to the good folks at nvnews.net, along with the output from nvidia-bug-report.sh. A friendly fellow with the handle of Netllama has already gotten back to us with a few suggestions, which we will be trying this evening. I will also make use of your suggestion, but I have a follow-up question: what exactly do you mean by "one X screen" on each GPU? You don't mean it will only drive one of the *monitors*, right? Are we talking about each GPU driving a pair of merged monitors with nView, but the two "paired sets" of screens will be clones? That is, monitors A & B are on a splitter driven by GPU 1, C & D on GPU 2; A & B will be merged as "one X screen", C & D will be "one X screen", but then what about A&B + C&D? Clones? Merged? Will I need to use Xinerama for that? If so, what sort of problems come up with that? I may be reading too much into what you're saying; I'll wait to hear your reply. thanks, Jim On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 11:04 -0700, Andy Ritger wrote: > Hi James, > > Your question is probably better asked either on the nvnews.net > forums, or sent to the linux-bugs NVIDIA email address. > > One very useful piece of information would be an > nvidia-bug-report.log, generated by running `nvidia-bug-report.sh`; > this will also capture any error messages printed to your kernel logs > (e.g., any cache aliasing errors, etc). > > I'd recommend posting your question on the nvnews.net Linux forums, > and include an nvidia-bug-report.log. > > Also, nvidia-xconfig should probably do a better job in handling > this, but note that separate X screens and TwinView are mutually > exclusive. It would probably be best to configure it like this: > > nvidia-xconfig --enable-all-gpus --no-separate-x-screens --twinview >^^ > > This will configure one X screen on each GPU, with TwinView enabled > on each X screen. > > I hope that helps, > - Andy Ritger > > > On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, James Wiggs wrote: > > > > > > > Folks, > > > >I am trying to get a quad-monitor system running using the PNY > > Quadro NVS 440 PCI Express x16 video card. Here are the system > > specs: > > > > Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI > > P/S: Aspire ATX-AS520W Blue 520 Watt > > CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ > > RAM: 4 x 1GB DDR 400 Unbuffered > > Card: nVidia Quadro NVS 440 PCI Express x16 (manufacturer: PNY) > > OS: Debian Etch, i386 install (NOT x64_64) > > X.org: 6.9.0 > > Kernel: 2.6.15-8-686-smp > > nVidia driver: Latest as of 5/30/06 (1.0-8762) > > Monitors: 4 x Benq FP93G > > > >After doing the initial installation of Debian, I downloaded > > the binary driver installer directly from the nVidia website, and > > ran it without any errors. X however, is horrifically unstable > > when running all four monitors as a contiguous desktop. After > > only a few minutes, it freezes up. Most times, the mouse will > > still move but windows are unresponsive and the keyboard does > > not work; sometimes, not even the mouse responds. I have to log > > in via SSH, where I find Xorg taking 100% of one core on the CPU > > and I have to do a kill -9 to stop it. > > > >I generated 2 different xorg.conf files, using the installed > > nvidia-xconfig utility with these commands: > > > > Xinerama Command: nvidia-xconfig --enable-all-gpus --separate-x-screens > > --xinerama > > > > TwinView Command: nvidia-xconfig --enable-all-gpus --separate-x-screens > > --twinview > > > >The configuration files are included below. When researching > > the problem, I found a lot of postings on message boards and on > > mailing lists mentioning that turning off the RenderAccel option > > had produced a stable system. So each of these configurations > > was tested in two modes; once with the default (RenderAccel On), > > and once with Option "RenderAccel" "Off" in each of the Device > > sections. None of the 4 configurations was found to be stable, > > though there seemed to be a minor increase in stability for the > > last configuration we tried, which was using TwinView with the > > RenderAccel option turned off. That one ran for about 1.5 hours > > before it froze. Most of the others froze in a matter of just a > > few minutes. > > > >I realize that not a lot of people are using quad-head nVidia > > cards under Linux, but I refuse to believe we are the only ones > > on the planet. I need some sort of feedback from the experts on > > this. Does anyone see anything in the configuration files that > > raises a red flag? The Xinerama-based configuration was not > > changed in any way from what was produced by the nvidia-xconfig > > utility (other than the RenderAccel Off test). The TwinView > > configuration had one edit made: the configuration produced by > > nvidia-xconfig included a MetaModes "1024x768, 1024x768" line in > > each Device section, which was hand-modified to replac
Re: how to detect if a jpeg file is progressive or not
H.S.([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > Wayne Topa wrote: > > > > > But converting a jpeg to progressive somehow has the effect that the > progressive jpeg file is slightly smaller than the non-progressive one, > but the client then uses up more RAM to reconstruct the image -- not > that that will be a problem in most computers today. > Oh. Thanks for the that info.. > > convert -quality 25 infile.jpg outfile > > > > That option got the 77K file down to 24K which is more manageable, for > > me anyway. I see no difference in the pictures but the size. > > This is a case of compression with a loss in quality. Note that you can > still have the new smaller image either as progressive or non-progressive. > I don't see that loss in quality tho. At 1280x1024 they look the same, to these old eyes anyway, and the savings in size sure is a help when you are sending images over a 26K POT line. > I am still playing around to decide what size (in pixels) images to > upload for others to view and how much quality to encode the jpegs with. > In any case, I am planning to upload the larger size images only > progressive jpegs no matter what quality I use them. All of the inages on our web site are converted with the 'quality 25' option. I find a lot of sites with images that are 100K or more just take too long to load. There are still a lot of us that live in the sticks and don't have access to anything but slow POT lines. Wayne -- There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works. ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: my fonts changed
On Tuesday 30 May 2006 12:17 pm, Pooly wrote: > a few days ago I run apt-get to update my system (etch), and since > then all the font (terminal, mozilla, KDE...) are differents from last > week. The previous were more comfortable for the eyes (at least mine). > Any ideas how I could get them back ? > thx, Warning this could cause your computer to melt into slag but it worked for me. cd into /var/cache/apt/archives ls|grep free dpkg -i the older version -- You don't exist so stop pretending like you're there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
floppy disks for netinstall
Hello List Do you know where are floppy disks images for netinstall ? Thank you, Gustavo Halperin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to detect if a jpeg file is progressive or not
Wayne Topa wrote: > > Having never heard of "a progressive jpeg" I was interested in your > query, and the answer you received. > > I tried out the conversion to "progressive" on some of my large jpegs > to see if it would help (as I have the same problem you have, dialup). > > I used the suggested convert command on a 77K jpeg and it was > converted to 68K. Not bad but I have been using a different convert > option and getting much better results. I also noticed the small reduction in file size in progressive jpeg files. However, converting a jpeg to progressive is not really a file compression in the usual sense. All it means is that the global image information is sent first to the client with which the client can render the low resolution image. As further detail is received by the client, the image is re-rendered in ever increasing details. Thus the user doesn't need to download the whole image before s/he can view it -- and if the used decides not to view the image, s/he can stop the transfer. But converting a jpeg to progressive somehow has the effect that the progressive jpeg file is slightly smaller than the non-progressive one, but the client then uses up more RAM to reconstruct the image -- not that that will be a problem in most computers today. > convert -quality 25 infile.jpg outfile > > That option got the 77K file down to 24K which is more manageable, for > me anyway. I see no difference in the pictures but the size. This is a case of compression with a loss in quality. Note that you can still have the new smaller image either as progressive or non-progressive. > I would be interested in hearing your results with this option. I am still playing around to decide what size (in pixels) images to upload for others to view and how much quality to encode the jpegs with. In any case, I am planning to upload the larger size images only progressive jpegs no matter what quality I use them. GL, ->HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help really needed: Formatted / partition by accident.
Dmitri Minaev wrote: I am afraid that nothing can be done to recover this installation. You still can try to recover some of your data. If your partition table is damaged, you may find TestDisk useful. See: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk TestDisk has helped me to recover my data when I occasionally dd'ed a floppy image onto /dev/hda. OK, TestDisk was able to recover all three partitions. /, swap & home. Really amazing free (he's getting a donation for sure) software. As a backup measure I copied all of home to an external hard disk. Cfdisk shows (just to double check, didn't write anything) / as bootable, the swap and home partitions. Tried booting after recovering but no luck. Maybe I need to reinstall grub? Thanks for all the help and suggestions. Really appreciated. Nick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is in openoffice.org-core04u?
In my continuing effort to remove as much of KDE and GNOME as possible from my system, I have come across scite to replace kate, and galculator to replace kcalc. Since I only use konqueror to read html documentation, dillo can replace that. That would appear to be all that I really need to replace. A simple apt-get --purge remove libarts1 seems to be the best way top then purge all of KDE at one blow, but it also wants to remove openoffice.org-core04u. Apt-cache depends shows openoffice.org-core04u as being dependant on kdelibs4, which is, of couse, dependant on libarts1. I have OpenOffice 2 installed from the tarball at openoffice.org, and then converted using alien. Apt is not showing anything else from oo.o that is to be removed. Is this file just for compatibility with KDE? Can I safely remove it without making a mess of OO.o, as long as I am not running KDE? I have Googled the file, but have not found anything that seemed useful. Any help will be appreciated. -- Marc Shapiro No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. What?! Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here. Boom. Sooner or later ... boom! - Susan Ivanova: B5 - Grail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:09:43 -0400 "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > That's typical in elections except ties, and not surprising nobody > > bothered or wanted to check for absentee ballots. This is one of > > the two problems Oregon eliminated by going to vote by mail. > > > > So, all voting is done by mail? That's different. Mostly. Read back in this thread for where the pros and cons of Oregon's new system were already discussed. Jacob -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEf0/OkpJ43hY3cTURAi2IAKDNkORh0u7v/hVPrJnX9YgbvwI3gACg1RQt OX6jZolAfUKIzmYslM5ewII= =9gbE -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: fsck on ext3, lost files
Oh man that sucks,I hope that never happens to me.On 5/31/06, Gary Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have Debian/Stable installed on one partition formatted as ext3. Recently,when booting into my Debian/Stable partition a check was forced and fsck failed. I was then prompted to enter the root password and runfsck manually. It was also mentioned that the file system was mountedread-only and a command was given to remount in read-write mode. I misunderstood this as a direction to first remount in read-write modeand then run fsck. I proceeded to answer yes to _many_ prompts from fsck.Although the file system was then pronounced clean it failed to reboot. After further inspection almost all evidence of the former file system wasgone. Only lost+found remains.Lost+found contains over 300 entries numbered #1504387 through #4635638. About50 of these are directories. One of these directories contains most of my user's home directory, though many of the subdirectories that I am interested inappear empty. In particular I am looking for jpeg images.I have tried recover, e2undel, debugfs, and lde. There was very little I could recover with these programs.For example, lde shows:0x0016F5A2: drwxr-xr-x 2 4096 #1504674This directory lists many of the subdirectories and files from /home/gary,for example:0x: pictures 0x00097D35: -rw-r--r-- 2179 .jedrcIs there anything I can do to recover files from these lost directories?I've read, "Your only hope is to "grep" for parts of your files that have been deleted and hope for the best." Is this still true?--To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 01 June 2006 15:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: > To my mind, that is when america stopped being a democracy. The US was never a democracy. It was founded as a representitive republic of limited powers. It hasn't been a republic since at least the time of a large number of people being forced at gun point to become "citizens" against their will, 1865. - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRH9JQC9Y35yItIgBAQKl8gf/UeWQHCCyq00ZW60+APy7CeC663qshk1K RUCm3TGUwKjwF2Qb1m8R6UY7ikAnI4LMftAWfAGMbduK6FIZYfO3CJJz0OeJ9jz0 ihEeR0b/I4cFcsh6eij7dWQX59bZFZEe6Q+41XcarBxZB1/n+uDK4ED85I5b1G5j glouSciiPHZypv5B7l0u8nE+yKLcpQF4rguVgs/u6jbFPg0po59OIw6WvPrpUxq+ CZwrxHuWz02i+sBI/Vxy7WgtWp3STHs+kKkpVdcs0m5TwdidWYLJyQZnLDr7aJ04 bj9F4jiUi+db4S2DP+KyqfNNPV4GdQ0RxFNsl8v6jjE0qAD+pGNMeQ== =2tmN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: quake3+xmms
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 09:41:08PM +0200, Bart Schelstraete wrote: > >The only way I have managed to get sound from Quake3 on Debian was > >by using the command > >artsdsp -m /usr/local/games/quake3/quake3.x86 > > > > Try using ossdsp iso artsdsp Thanks, but could you elaborate a little on what you are suggesting? Is 'ossdsp' a command? If so I do not appear to have it on my system, and apt does not find it in any of the default repositories. Or are you mentioning a qualification to artsdsp of some form? Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fsck on ext3, lost files
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:40:53 -0400 "Eric d'Alibut" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/31/06, Linas Žvirblis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > A valuable tool in this case is "file". It can identify loads of > > different file formats, and can be very effective in conjunction with > > some shell scripting. There is also tool called "testdisk". I have never > > used it, but it does seem to have some very useful features. > > How about looking for jpg's in lost+found? Any hints on how to do that? > gqview. It will show thumbnails of correct pictures -- Rodney D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: quake3+xmms
Am Donnerstag, 1. Juni 2006 20:00 schrieb Enrique Morfin: > Hi! > > I just want to hear xmms music while playing. > > while xmms playing: > > if quake3-smp > > i got: > --- sound initialization --- > /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy > Could not open /dev/dsp > > > if aoss quake3-smp > > i got: > --- sound initialization --- > > - Sound Info - > sound system is muted > 1 stereo > 16384 samples >16 samplebits > 1 submission_chunk > 22050 speed > 0x8a5e780 dma buffer > No background file. > -- > Sound memory manager started > > in both cases no sound :( > > then i tried: > echo "quake3-smp.x86 0 0 direct" > > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss > > with quake3, quake3.x86, quake, quake3-smp, > quake3-smp.x86 > > none worked, still no sound in quake :( > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com Hi, when you want to hear sound from more than one program, you need multiplexing (that is, mixing several audiostreams together). Best and easiest way is to use a soundcard for which the alsa-driver supports hw-multiplexing (see http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/). There are also some sw-multiplexing mechanisms available. eg arts which is part of KDE, gnome has it's own but I forgot it's name. Alsa directly supports sw-multiplexing, too. You have to setup a dmix device therfore (again see the alsa web page). regards Christoph -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Glenn Becker wrote: > >> vi (vim) is lighter then emacs and many think it is also better > > i am more and more of a vi-head and altho i like vim quite a bit i am > coming to prefer elvis - it sticks closer to original vi. :set cp - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEf0WmS9HxQb37XmcRAis6AKC0cbDnioj+gQRnWdp9X1YLC7wh5gCg6mx+ BHh8fqsS8X5laoPCusUApoY= =srz/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 09:39:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Come off it, Paul. Even under the conditions that Gore's team asked > for > on the recounts Bush won. In fact only under one recout, one Gore's team > *DIDN'T* ask for did Gore squeak by on a narrower margin than any of the > other > recounts. The only count in which all the ballots were counted. >>> Yeah, after they had excluded many (nearly all?) legitimate absentee >>> ballots. Many of which were sent in by military personnel. You know, >>> those people who tend to vote predominately Republican? >> Besides, is it really practical to expect 6,000,000 ballots[0], most >> of which are analog, to all be cast correctly and then counted >> correctly? >> >> No. Too much human intervention. > > True. But there's a big difference between human error and a court > decision blocking them from being counted. Sigh. There's no arguing with that idea, so I won't even try. > To my mind, that is when america stopped being a democracy. The USA is not, and has never been, a democracy. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEf0RMS9HxQb37XmcRAhlvAKCaD4Jv7x/t+kQdTXkN+Og2Xx9fgACgyhan +Wk1/wIb8dKxd6T2sXCv2jY= =r82s -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LAN
On 6/1/06, Francesco Pietra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My system consists of two machines, one running debian 32 testing and equipped with KDE, the other one amd64 debian testing with no GUI (undesired) and only X-system and window manager twm. Both operated by single user. Both are connected ADSL through to a common 4-port router Zyxel Prestige 660H. I would be grateful for suggestions as to where to look for directions as to exchanging files through the router between the two machines from terminal window commands. Most common tasks include internet downloading with 32 and passing files to 64, as well as performing calculations at 64 and passing results to 32. Obvious requests. Hi, Are you talking about 'data' transfer (files) or actual requests? If you're talking about data (files), you can either use remote copy tools (scp, rcp, rsync,etc) or you can make use of a shared storage. (= NFS server, so that both machine can write/read the files) Bart -- Schelstraete Bart http://www.schelstraete.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: quake3+xmms
The only way I have managed to get sound from Quake3 on Debian was by using the command artsdsp -m /usr/local/games/quake3/quake3.x86 Try using ossdsp iso artsdsp Bart -- Schelstraete Bart http://www.schelstraete.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fsck on ext3, lost files
On 5/31/06, Linas Žvirblis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A valuable tool in this case is "file". It can identify loads of different file formats, and can be very effective in conjunction with some shell scripting. There is also tool called "testdisk". I have never used it, but it does seem to have some very useful features. How about looking for jpg's in lost+found? Any hints on how to do that? -- No no no, my fish's name is Eric, Eric the fish. He's an halibut. I am not a looney! Why should I be tarred with the epithet looney merely because I have a pet halibut?
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 01 June 2006 14:39, "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > That's typical in elections except ties, and not surprising > > nobody bothered or wanted to check for absentee ballots. This is > > one of the two problems Oregon eliminated by going to vote by > > mail. > > So, all voting is done by mail? That's different. It actually solves a great many problems. There is a paper trail, which eliminates the greatest threat of electronic voting, undetectable fraud. It also is convenient for anyone and everyone equally, people can also vote early if they want. Oregon has a great idea, I hope it spreads. The state where I live cannot even institute a state lottery without the entire process dripping corruption and bribery, but at least they did finally throw out electronic voting. In every country that finally gets elections, a clear paper trail is one of the primary conditions. It would be sad if Americans, who supposedly stand for that sort of thing, were to so easily be lulled into allowing unauditable, unverifiable, invisible electronic ballots. Unfortunately, Americans have proven themselves to be extremely stupid, politically. That's why the US will be the next country to collapse under fiscal mismanagement. I only hope it's as comparatively bloodless as the collapse of the Soviet Union. Curt- - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRH85Ey9Y35yItIgBAQIXUQf/VhpV/FQgIe0zkHT8yfjEKblEsdCkiW4x 36jHdojUg8dDJBI1xZXDrCTLjXoUOKCyAwYLtVeNa3G6Bz7KSs/FGS6Vj7Aq3u4F cQpIKyODbQ6eZyjndpJVBvomgogcKUw7+BeSrOQHW7d+uYbXoOc7lpV7Y0+HX2YX jhagciWJPABJQ2BxRJhaRJD7Hn6zviLGCrcwYYHRhwE7kpQZS9uoKCCGyLS95MFS rbyt2+4H+CwglNJtIvSKU+PL1KRC+0cuZLnW5qhb0+CE8H9ziKLHxSbj6aP4H57Z zvaLaSmGoiUOajxdUHFjFrFme1qXeUFo47/H7UvkB4xetybei4/vjQ== =HN8O -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LAN
Francesco Pietra wrote: My system consists of two machines, one running debian 32 testing and equipped with KDE, the other one amd64 debian testing with no GUI (undesired) and only X-system and window manager twm. Both operated by single user. Both are connected ADSL through to a common 4-port router Zyxel Prestige 660H. I would be grateful for suggestions as to where to look for directions as to exchanging files through the router between the two machines from terminal window commands. Most common tasks include internet downloading with 32 and passing files to 64, as well as performing calculations at 64 and passing results to 32. Obvious requests. Thanks a lot for indications. scp? -- Bill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to make Packages file and set sources.list for misc. downloaded .debfiles
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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 01 June 2006 13:03, "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > So, how would we implement liquid hydrogen or liquid helium cooling > of the budget? Throw in the politicians! Problem solved. - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRH81rC9Y35yItIgBAQJRqwf9HE35H8DRkVVEHBGs3S6/sVs6+o5Vi2Z1 Yqswq6mBLuLdMznmu/4Sbqu41buVXFWPwrpT+zzlI8b3M04HXDupAHAMccFNXaah 12Q2bN/yKH/WR9AQfwj/t7HW3gf7O0iCuPF5MbiwEJhaRpd8/BOEPzttOCjv/bLp RpCGPAVAjbvkrImre9X7GYn31TrFEU0XlC/YJF2oHRNDmOWHruEZBDIvPoD3fqPb yQEnt307y0/LW7jk29cvMFCo8mzgsXVg6nPR9hWyMswixiTBRUjXgWFdlFiPNdBh wBLixo0aL8yd/zUz84iJoRChWUa+ZBWfN1unaMfD4ZjhWc7dSk3gPA== =ru9T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Orinoco 802.11b Weirdness!
After a little more research, and trying a debian etch netinstall iso, which gave me the same results. I have concluded that my Orinoco 802.11b silver card has given up the ghost. I had that card for over 5 years, got it in 2000, or 2001 when Wireless networking first started to get going. That card was a great little card, lasted all these years and various systems. Before giving up totally I tried it in a Windows notebook, which could not detect my network either. I was using a 2.6.12 kernel, like I said it was up for 58 days without any problems. So I took apart the card, and I did smell a little ic burnt smell, after looking at the card some more everything looked good except that little ic. I guess the heat finally killed it, since the card is so close to the cpu when it's inserted. It was also used in a pvr, with poor air flow, along with a desktop for a few years also poor air flow out of the case. sniff, sniff I will miss ya, nice little card! I guess it will have to be ethernet only laptop. But that duron 800 is doing good, I am surprised it lasted this long. On my wife's 600m Dell it's on its third motherboard, I do not dare run RC5-72 on it, because I believe that is what caused the other board failures. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: quake3+xmms
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 11:00:48AM -0700, Enrique Morfin wrote: > Hi! > > I just want to hear xmms music while playing. > > while xmms playing: > > if quake3-smp > > i got: > --- sound initialization --- > /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy > Could not open /dev/dsp > > > if aoss quake3-smp > > i got: > --- sound initialization --- > > - Sound Info - > sound system is muted > 1 stereo > 16384 samples >16 samplebits > 1 submission_chunk > 22050 speed > 0x8a5e780 dma buffer > No background file. > -- > Sound memory manager started > > in both cases no sound :( > > then i tried: > echo "quake3-smp.x86 0 0 direct" > > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss > > with quake3, quake3.x86, quake, quake3-smp, > quake3-smp.x86 > > none worked, still no sound in quake :( > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. The only way I have managed to get sound from Quake3 on Debian was by using the command artsdsp -m /usr/local/games/quake3/quake3.x86 For some reason I havn't worked out yet, artsdsp doesn't seem to work unless I use KDE. Under FVWM or GNOME I get the error "can't link to mcop directory" Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Squirrelmail
Michele Della Marina wrote: Hello!! I've some problems after installing squirrelmail, the error is: ERROR : Could not complete request. Query: SELECT "INBOX" Reason Given: Unable to open this mailbox. and ERROR : Connection dropped by imap-server. Query: SUBSCRIBE "INBOX.Sent" I know that probably the problem is in the directory creation under homes; I've tried modifying the config.php of squirrelmail setting default_folder_prefix but I've not solved the problem, I've create directory under homes as Maildir... but nothing I've used default settings using conf.pl but nothing. IMAP (I use courier) server is ok. Can you help me? And what's the relationship between postfix user directory system (I use /var/mail/user) and squirrelmail? Have I to change settings in Postfix? you can set postfix to use Maildir/, ie home_mailbox = Maildir/ in main.cf there is also a very good squirrelmail mailing list -- Bill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 09:39:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>>Come off it, Paul. Even under the conditions that Gore's team asked > >>> for > >>> on the recounts Bush won. In fact only under one recout, one Gore's team > >>> *DIDN'T* ask for did Gore squeak by on a narrower margin than any of the > >>> other > >>> recounts. > >> > >> The only count in which all the ballots were counted. > >> > > Yeah, after they had excluded many (nearly all?) legitimate absentee > > ballots. Many of which were sent in by military personnel. You know, > > those people who tend to vote predominately Republican? > > Besides, is it really practical to expect 6,000,000 ballots[0], most > of which are analog, to all be cast correctly and then counted > correctly? > > No. Too much human intervention. True. But there's a big difference between human error and a court decision blocking them from being counted. To my mind, that is when america stopped being a democracy. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
vi (vim) is lighter then emacs and many think it is also better i am more and more of a vi-head and altho i like vim quite a bit i am coming to prefer elvis - it sticks closer to original vi. glenn +-+ Dr. Glenn Becker - [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org +-+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
Em Qui, 2006-06-01 às 10:58 +0200, Ivan Glushkov escreveu: > > >> I would like to know which is the best & lightest editor for vi (vim) is lighter then emacs and many think it is also better Michel.
Re: Quad Monitor nVidia on Etch -- UNSTABLE
Hi James, Your question is probably better asked either on the nvnews.net forums, or sent to the linux-bugs NVIDIA email address. One very useful piece of information would be an nvidia-bug-report.log, generated by running `nvidia-bug-report.sh`; this will also capture any error messages printed to your kernel logs (e.g., any cache aliasing errors, etc). I'd recommend posting your question on the nvnews.net Linux forums, and include an nvidia-bug-report.log. Also, nvidia-xconfig should probably do a better job in handling this, but note that separate X screens and TwinView are mutually exclusive. It would probably be best to configure it like this: nvidia-xconfig --enable-all-gpus --no-separate-x-screens --twinview ^^ This will configure one X screen on each GPU, with TwinView enabled on each X screen. I hope that helps, - Andy Ritger On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, James Wiggs wrote: > > > Folks, > >I am trying to get a quad-monitor system running using the PNY > Quadro NVS 440 PCI Express x16 video card. Here are the system > specs: > > Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI > P/S: Aspire ATX-AS520W Blue 520 Watt > CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ > RAM: 4 x 1GB DDR 400 Unbuffered > Card: nVidia Quadro NVS 440 PCI Express x16 (manufacturer: PNY) > OS: Debian Etch, i386 install (NOT x64_64) > X.org: 6.9.0 > Kernel: 2.6.15-8-686-smp > nVidia driver: Latest as of 5/30/06 (1.0-8762) > Monitors: 4 x Benq FP93G > >After doing the initial installation of Debian, I downloaded > the binary driver installer directly from the nVidia website, and > ran it without any errors. X however, is horrifically unstable > when running all four monitors as a contiguous desktop. After > only a few minutes, it freezes up. Most times, the mouse will > still move but windows are unresponsive and the keyboard does > not work; sometimes, not even the mouse responds. I have to log > in via SSH, where I find Xorg taking 100% of one core on the CPU > and I have to do a kill -9 to stop it. > >I generated 2 different xorg.conf files, using the installed > nvidia-xconfig utility with these commands: > > Xinerama Command: nvidia-xconfig --enable-all-gpus --separate-x-screens > --xinerama > > TwinView Command: nvidia-xconfig --enable-all-gpus --separate-x-screens > --twinview > >The configuration files are included below. When researching > the problem, I found a lot of postings on message boards and on > mailing lists mentioning that turning off the RenderAccel option > had produced a stable system. So each of these configurations > was tested in two modes; once with the default (RenderAccel On), > and once with Option "RenderAccel" "Off" in each of the Device > sections. None of the 4 configurations was found to be stable, > though there seemed to be a minor increase in stability for the > last configuration we tried, which was using TwinView with the > RenderAccel option turned off. That one ran for about 1.5 hours > before it froze. Most of the others froze in a matter of just a > few minutes. > >I realize that not a lot of people are using quad-head nVidia > cards under Linux, but I refuse to believe we are the only ones > on the planet. I need some sort of feedback from the experts on > this. Does anyone see anything in the configuration files that > raises a red flag? The Xinerama-based configuration was not > changed in any way from what was produced by the nvidia-xconfig > utility (other than the RenderAccel Off test). The TwinView > configuration had one edit made: the configuration produced by > nvidia-xconfig included a MetaModes "1024x768, 1024x768" line in > each Device section, which was hand-modified to replace all the > 1024x768 strings with 1280x1024. > >I don't get any significant log output at the time of the > lockup; it's like X doesn't even recognize that there is any > error occuring. I tried a kill -11 to see if I could get a > backtrace, but this was all that ended up being produced: > > --begin text-- >*** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not >*** be the reason for the server aborting. > > Backtrace: > 0: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x88) [0x8089898] > 1: [0xe420] > > Fatal server error: > Caught signal 11. Server aborting > > > Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support >at http://wiki.X.Org > for help. > Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional > information. > > (II) Screen 0 shares mem & io resources > (II) Screen 1 shares mem & io resources > (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x89ac, 0) > (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x89ac, 0) > (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x89e4, 0) > (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x89e4, 0) > (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x89f4, 0) > (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x93a
quake3+xmms
Hi! I just want to hear xmms music while playing. while xmms playing: if quake3-smp i got: --- sound initialization --- /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy Could not open /dev/dsp if aoss quake3-smp i got: --- sound initialization --- - Sound Info - sound system is muted 1 stereo 16384 samples 16 samplebits 1 submission_chunk 22050 speed 0x8a5e780 dma buffer No background file. -- Sound memory manager started in both cases no sound :( then i tried: echo "quake3-smp.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss with quake3, quake3.x86, quake, quake3-smp, quake3-smp.x86 none worked, still no sound in quake :( Any ideas? Thanks. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Paul Johnson wrote: > > That's typical in elections except ties, and not surprising nobody bothered > or > wanted to check for absentee ballots. This is one of the two problems Oregon > eliminated by going to vote by mail. > So, all voting is done by mail? That's different. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Quad Monitor nVidia on Etch -- UNSTABLE
Folks, I am trying to get a quad-monitor system running using the PNY Quadro NVS 440 PCI Express x16 video card. Here are the system specs: Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI P/S: Aspire ATX-AS520W Blue 520 Watt CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ RAM: 4 x 1GB DDR 400 Unbuffered Card: nVidia Quadro NVS 440 PCI Express x16 (manufacturer: PNY) OS: Debian Etch, i386 install (NOT x64_64) X.org: 6.9.0 Kernel: 2.6.15-8-686-smp nVidia driver: Latest as of 5/30/06 (1.0-8762) Monitors: 4 x Benq FP93G After doing the initial installation of Debian, I downloaded the binary driver installer directly from the nVidia website, and ran it without any errors. X however, is horrifically unstable when running all four monitors as a contiguous desktop. After only a few minutes, it freezes up. Most times, the mouse will still move but windows are unresponsive and the keyboard does not work; sometimes, not even the mouse responds. I have to log in via SSH, where I find Xorg taking 100% of one core on the CPU and I have to do a kill -9 to stop it. I generated 2 different xorg.conf files, using the installed nvidia-xconfig utility with these commands: Xinerama Command: nvidia-xconfig --enable-all-gpus --separate-x-screens --xinerama TwinView Command: nvidia-xconfig --enable-all-gpus --separate-x-screens --twinview The configuration files are included below. When researching the problem, I found a lot of postings on message boards and on mailing lists mentioning that turning off the RenderAccel option had produced a stable system. So each of these configurations was tested in two modes; once with the default (RenderAccel On), and once with Option "RenderAccel" "Off" in each of the Device sections. None of the 4 configurations was found to be stable, though there seemed to be a minor increase in stability for the last configuration we tried, which was using TwinView with the RenderAccel option turned off. That one ran for about 1.5 hours before it froze. Most of the others froze in a matter of just a few minutes. I realize that not a lot of people are using quad-head nVidia cards under Linux, but I refuse to believe we are the only ones on the planet. I need some sort of feedback from the experts on this. Does anyone see anything in the configuration files that raises a red flag? The Xinerama-based configuration was not changed in any way from what was produced by the nvidia-xconfig utility (other than the RenderAccel Off test). The TwinView configuration had one edit made: the configuration produced by nvidia-xconfig included a MetaModes "1024x768, 1024x768" line in each Device section, which was hand-modified to replace all the 1024x768 strings with 1280x1024. I don't get any significant log output at the time of the lockup; it's like X doesn't even recognize that there is any error occuring. I tried a kill -11 to see if I could get a backtrace, but this was all that ended up being produced: --begin text-- *** If unresolved symbols were reported above, they might not *** be the reason for the server aborting. Backtrace: 0: /usr/X11R6/bin/X(xf86SigHandler+0x88) [0x8089898] 1: [0xe420] Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support at http://wiki.X.Org for help. Please also check the log file at "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" for additional information. (II) Screen 0 shares mem & io resources (II) Screen 1 shares mem & io resources (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x89ac, 0) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x89ac, 0) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x89e4, 0) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x89e4, 0) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x89f4, 0) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x89f4, 0) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 7, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x8a20, 0) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 7, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x8a20, 0) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x8a30, 0) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (1, 6, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x8a30, 0) (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 7, 0x8000, 0x93ac, 0x8a54, 0) ---end text--- Note, NO unresolved symbols are mentioned in the X startup log, which I have not included with this posting to keep the length down to some sort of reasonable length. HERE IS THE Xinerama xorg.conf: --begin text-- # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig # nvidia-xconfig: version 1.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Mon May 15 13:23:42 PDT 2006 # xorg.conf (Xorg X Window System server configuration file) # # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using # values from the debconf database. # # Edit this file with caution, and see the xorg.conf manual page. # (Type "man xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.) # # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only* # if
Re: is it a bad idea to use unstable on a server ?
On Thursday 01 June 2006 07:26, Felix C. Stegerman wrote: > * Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-27 01:07]: > > > So it comes down to: > > > * Is it a bad idea to use unstable on a production server > > > when it comes to security? > > > > Possibly to probably yes (the answer for stable would be "no"). > > > > > * If so, would you recommend using testing, or stable? > > > > Stable. > > > > > * And does anyone with experience running unstable on production > > > servers know of any other caveats I should be aware of? > > > > Don't do it unless you want to babysit it constantly and do a lot of > > reading in your free time to keep track of development and latest > > bugs a lot more carefully than you otherwise would. > > So just keeping up with debian security announcements wouldn't be > enough? I would have to actively monitor security issues for the > services the server provides? Given that's one of the things the development cycle is supposed to find, yes, security announcements aren't necessarily enough, you need to keep your eyes peeled as well. > Or would it be enough to make sure I > keep the server up-to-date and occasionally take it down to fix some > debian-unstable-induced breakage to keep it secure? On unstable, be prepared for any dist-upgrade to hose something badly and in a way that will be difficult to back out of. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpsRavvbbYzC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Thursday 01 June 2006 07:39, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Curt Howland wrote: > > On Thursday 01 June 2006 09:52, Rich Johnson > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > >>>The budget? ...waitthat's underflow. > > > > Naa, it's damage due to deliberate overclocking by politicians. > > So, how would we implement liquid hydrogen or liquid helium cooling of > the budget? Direct elections, and reinstate the death penalty if you don't vote? -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpRyalHWbrky.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Thursday 01 June 2006 03:50, Rich Johnson wrote: > On May 31, 2006, at 9:39 PM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > Pascal Hakim wrote: > >> Australian governor-generals are chosen by the prime minister... > >> (including John Kerr), and can be dismissed by the prime minister. > >> Yes, > >> we technically have a race condition at the top of our government. > >> > >> (But finally! An off-topic debian-user politics thread on > >> *Australia*) > > > > That is hilarious. I have never heard of a political situation > > described as a race condition. So, what is the political > > equivalent of > > a stack smash or a buffer overflow? > > The budget? ...waitthat's underflow. The budget is overflow. It's the revenue that's underflow. And not for lack of paying into it by the people who can least afford to... -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpBj9VJ7CIWq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Thursday 01 June 2006 06:29, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Come off it, Paul. Even under the conditions that Gore's team asked > >> for on the recounts Bush won. In fact only under one recout, one Gore's > >> team *DIDN'T* ask for did Gore squeak by on a narrower margin than any > >> of the other recounts. > > > > The only count in which all the ballots were counted. > > Yeah, after they had excluded many (nearly all?) legitimate absentee > ballots. That's typical in elections except ties, and not surprising nobody bothered or wanted to check for absentee ballots. This is one of the two problems Oregon eliminated by going to vote by mail. -- Paul Johnson Email and IM (XMPP & Google Talk): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: Because it's time to move forward http://ursine.ca/Ursine:Jabber pgpV8cCbgTDTI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Stephen wrote: > > BTW even the U.S. has a commonwealth state -- Massachusetts, which still > refers to the Governor as "his excellency" a holdover from the British > tradition when it was the major of the 13 colonies, and the Governor, > was the Governor General, representative of the Queen of England. > Actually there are for states that are called commonwealths in the US http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_%28United_States%29 -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 09:59:35AM -0500 or thereabouts, Ron Johnson wrote: > Given your .au address, I presumed you are Australian. The > Australian Head of State is ... Elizabeth II. As she is for the rest of the Commonwealth, but in name only. She is obligated to follow the instructions of the individual commonwealth elected heads of government. Heck even some republics have a figure head of state, France for example has a Prime Minister and a President. If memory serves, the Prime Minister is the defacto head of state, but the president has the power. It might be the other way around, but you get the idea, this is hardly a new concept, except probably to Americans. ;) My country Canada, created our own Constitution separate from the British North America Act, in the early 80's. The Queen had to come over to sign the declaration, at the request of the Canadian Government. However, she wasn't the deal maker, and never is. She's still our figurehead head of state, represented by the Governor General whom is appointed by the Canadian Prime Minister, and which is rubber stamped by the reining monarch, as she must obey. This all goes back to the English inception of the Parliamentary system, where the monarch was given a figurehead role and removed from power. BTW even the U.S. has a commonwealth state -- Massachusetts, which still refers to the Governor as "his excellency" a holdover from the British tradition when it was the major of the 13 colonies, and the Governor, was the Governor General, representative of the Queen of England. -- Regards Stephen + There is a great discovery still to be made in Literature: that of paying literary men by the quantity they do NOT write. + signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[SOLVED]-ish: Re: Apt-get upate problem
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 00:36, John O'Hagan wrote: > Hi list, > > Last few days, when I try to do apt-get update on my Etch laptop, it fails > with a number of different errors. The recent apt upgrade (which is really good: updates are now very fast) seems to have fixed my problem with the Debian repository at least; I just don't know why or how! John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LAN
My system consists of two machines, one running debian 32 testing and equipped with KDE, the other one amd64 debian testing with no GUI (undesired) and only X-system and window manager twm. Both operated by single user. Both are connected ADSL through to a common 4-port router Zyxel Prestige 660H. I would be grateful for suggestions as to where to look for directions as to exchanging files through the router between the two machines from terminal window commands. Most common tasks include internet downloading with 32 and passing files to 64, as well as performing calculations at 64 and passing results to 32. Obvious requests. Thanks a lot for indications. francesco pietra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: DVD Writers
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 06:35:38PM +0200, Chris wrote: > > I know this is off-topic, but I am using a Debian box ;-) but can anyone > recommend a decent DVD writer? I've been using a Plextor PX-716A for well over a year now with no errors at all. Works well for me under Debian and OpenBSD. See http://www.plextor.com/english/products/716A.htm The SATA version is the PX-716SA. -- Ken Wahl signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Cautionary tale: what to blame?
I was all ready to write to the list asking if there were any problems in Etch's CUPS or HPIOD support, because suddenly I couldn't print to my Laserjet. I could see the jobs stacking up in the queue, but they didn't print. Then I noticed that my USB hub didn't have a green light for the printer. Plugging the printer directly into the PC caused all the jobs to spew right out. Moral: check the connections first. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: console screen size
On Thu June 1 2006 05:41 am, Juha Tuuna wrote: > On Thursday, 1. June 2006 00:33, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: > > Alan Ianson wrote: > > > On this particular machine I am working on I get a text screen size of > > > 80x25. I'd like to change it to 80x30, or perhaps I need a 640x480 > > > frame buffer. Is there a way I can change that from the command line, > > > or in grub's menu.list maybe? > > > > Yes, with the 'vga=' option in grub's menu.lst. > > These are some of the url's that provide some clarity: > > > > http://www.colug.net/pipermail/colug432/2005-October/001613.html > > http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/configs/linux/menu.lst > > > > 'vga=ask' seems to provide a list of choices. Never tried it myself > > though. > > As far as I'm concerned it lists "only" some of the possible modes and not > any framebuffer modes at all. On some display adapters some of the probed > modes actually do work but on every adapter. > Install hwinfo and probe your framebuffer: > # hwinfo --framebuffer > That should give a comprehensive list of available modes. They've worked > for me quite well this far. There is a change that you'll be experiencing > some weird stuff on some hardware and Sarge (at least) if you're using the > the same mode in console and X (Xfree86). I had been trying to use vga=xxx all by itself in menu.list.. once I appended it to the kernel line I was good to go. :) I will get hwinfo installed and experiment. Thanks for the replies. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 16:54:35 +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote: [..] >Since free implementaions of vi have become available, I have tended to >stick to that on Unix systems unless I want to do something exotic like >running complex macros that act on multiple files simultaneously. Vi is >much easier to learn, especially if you are familiar with 'ed' syntax, >but at 24Mb sounds like a heck of a lot of overhead has been added. >Standard 'vi' on my BSD box is: > skaro:/usr/home/digbyt> ls -l `which vi` > -r-xr-xr-x 3 bin bin 225280 Jan 21 1997 /usr/bin/vi >which still seems large to me. On my Debian Sid: % ls -l /usr/bin/vim.full -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1860324 2006-05-22 14:19 /usr/bin/vim.full % ls -l /usr/bin/vim.gnome -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1673804 2006-05-22 14:19 /usr/bin/vim.gnome % ls -l /usr/bin/nvi -rwxr-xr-x 3 root root 359796 2006-05-27 00:13 /usr/bin/nvi I am fairly sure that you can make VIM _a_lot_ smaller than that 'vim --version' reveals that there are 88 features compiled in and only 11 left out. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://therning.org/magnus Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish. Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship by patent law on written works. Finagle's Fifth Law: Always draw your curves, then plot your readings. pgpD7DzSPaALK.pgp Description: PGP signature
OT: DVD Writers
Am I having bad luck, or is this typical? I purchased an LG 4157 DVD-Writer. It burned ok, but could not read any CDs or DVDs. I excanged it and had the same result. I now have the following Samsung Writer installed: hdc: TSSTcorpCD/DVDW SH-S162A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdc: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33) it reads CDs ok, burns DVDs, but can't read it's own DVDs (Media Sony DVD-R)! I can read the DVDs it wrote on my laptop. Sigh. I know this is off-topic, but I am using a Debian box ;-) but can anyone recommend a decent DVD writer? Thanks, Chris -- C. Hurschler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Orinoco 802.11b Weirdness!
On 6/1/06, Gnu-Raiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I ran into a rather weird problem with my network card, this is a pcmcia card plugged into an old laptop. For some reason when I start, and stop the pcmcia service my card is no longer recognized. It seems that it is trying to connect, but I get no green light. Which release, kernel, and pcmcia modules package are you using? There was a bug in the kernel-pcmcia-modules for 2.4.27 in sid back in December (which has yet to be fixed, as far as I've seen). That seems to have made its way into etch. My solution was to use pcmcia-modules instead, but that started exhibiting flakiness similar to what you describe (though not exactly the same). The temporary solution (as in, about a day later I'd see the same behavior again) was to stop the pcmcia service and restart it. Sometimes repeatedly. The "permanent" solution was to upgrade to 2.6. -- Michael A. Marsh http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh http://mamarsh.blogspot.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free SWF to AVI converter for Sarge
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 03:47:19PM +0530, Siju George wrote: > I installed the w32codecs package and tried again. Did not succeed :-( I just checked, and the version of mencoder on my box will decode SWFs ... but only uncompressed ones, which you almost never see. Sorry. I had only ever done it once. I suppose you could download the free trial version of Flash from Adobe and run it briefly under WINE? -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you attempt to fix something that isn't broken, it will be. -Bruce Tognazzini -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 03:22:02PM +0100, George Borisov wrote: > Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > > > If you are learning a new editor, learn vim instead of vi. vim is > > basically 'vi iMproved'. It is a very nice, powerful and not bloated > > editor. > > It has syntax highlighting, folding, ctags support, compile/edit/run > > support > > within vim and a lot more. > > As tempted as I was to suggest my favourite editor, the OP did ask for > 'lightest' (as well as 'best'.) > > As much as I love vim, at 24MB install (Debian Unstable) it is most > certainly not light (although it is nice and fast.) My editor of choice for many years was microemacs, mainly because it was small, efficient, powerful and most importantly very portable. Size, efficency and portability were important because I used a lot of different systems, some of which with very modest specs. I preferred to know one editor well than have to learn a usable subset of many editors. I havn't tried it on Debian. The compile I did on BSD works out to about 500K: skaro:> ls -l `which umacs` -r-xr-xr-x 1 digbyt staff 559829 Nov 24 1996 /usr/home/digbyt/bin/umacs But I think that is with all the options included. Like full emaces, it takes a few days to train your fingers with all the control sequences, but once you have it, it is more efficient than modal editors like vi. Before that I used a home grown version 'ed' (based on the design in Plaugers "software tools" book) which required about 4Kb, and had the advantage of working well on slow dial up connections (300 baud) and teletypes without cursor addressing. Since free implementaions of vi have become available, I have tended to stick to that on Unix systems unless I want to do something exotic like running complex macros that act on multiple files simultaneously. Vi is much easier to learn, especially if you are familiar with 'ed' syntax, but at 24Mb sounds like a heck of a lot of overhead has been added. Standard 'vi' on my BSD box is: skaro:/usr/home/digbyt> ls -l `which vi` -r-xr-xr-x 3 bin bin 225280 Jan 21 1997 /usr/bin/vi which still seems large to me. I have never really taken to gnu-emacs, because is it just too darned big and slow on a lot of the systems I use... Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt(at)digbyt.com http://www.digbyt.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Orinoco 802.11b Weirdness!
I ran into a rather weird problem with my network card, this is a pcmcia card plugged into an old laptop. For some reason when I start, and stop the pcmcia service my card is no longer recognized. It seems that it is trying to connect, but I get no green light. I even reboot and it is still the same problem, except I get a /lib/modules/sony module error that mentions the module is not loaded. Before this the laptop had an uptime of 58 days, which I use to crunch RC5-72. Even before I had to reboot, the green led on the card was green buy no network activity. I even did a fsck of the harddrive to see if something was not right. Everything came up clean. It seems that I am having a gremlin, which might be hardware related. It seems that the card wants to come up I see activity on the card but for some reason it's not doing the job. The behavior is he same regardless of which pcmcia slot I use. Has anyone had this sort of problem, it acts like a software problem but the fsck comes up clean. I did an apt-get update about a week ago everything was working fine. I am expecting a hardware failure on this notebook, as it getting around 5 years old, and is on 24/7 but it works. So if I have a component failure, like a harddrive I probably will not fix it as it would cost more for the component then the worth of the notebook. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to detect if a jpeg file is progressive or not
H.S.([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > Olafur Jens Sigurdsson wrote: > > > Imagemagick does the trick for you. > > > > To see if your files are interlaced or not you can use identify > > -verbose filename.jpg and search for the Interlace line and if it says > > None then it isnt a progressive jpeg and if it says Plane it is. > > That was really great help. Thank a ton. The problem of identifying an > image as progressive or not is solved. > > > > > To convert from basic to progressive use convert infile.jpg -interlace > > Plane outfile.jpg > > The problem left is to convert all my current jpegs into progressive > ones. jpegtran did the job (the following is one long command): > $> for f in *.jpg; do echo "$f"; mv "$f" tmp.jpg; jpegtran -progressive > tmp.jpg > "$f"; rm -f tmp.jpg; done > > (I am sure there is a way to use the stdout and stdin in this procedure > instead of tmp.jpg, but I didn't check) H.S. Having never heard of "a progressive jpeg" I was interested in your query, and the answer you received. I tried out the conversion to "progressive" on some of my large jpegs to see if it would help (as I have the same problem you have, dialup). I used the suggested convert command on a 77K jpeg and it was converted to 68K. Not bad but I have been using a different convert option and getting much better results. convert -quality 25 infile.jpg outfile That option got the 77K file down to 24K which is more manageable, for me anyway. I see no difference in the pictures but the size. I would be interested in hearing your results with this option. Wayne -- In a few minutes a computer can make a mistake so great that it would take many men many months to equal it. ___ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [backports & security]
Felix C. Stegerman wrote: > Do you know what would be the best way to make sure I don't miss any > of those updates? If I backport e.g. mysql from unstable/testing, > will I be able to rely on security announcements to debian-security, > or do I need to check for new vulnerabilities upstream? Just looking up http://www.de.debian.org/security/faq "Security breakage in the stable distribution warrants a package on security.debian.org. Anything else does not. " "Q: How is security handled for testing and unstable? A: The short answer is: it's not. Testing and unstable are rapidly moving targets and the security team does not have the resources needed to properly support those. If you want to have a secure (and stable) server you are strongly encouraged to stay with stable. However, work is in progress to change this, with the formation of a testing security team which has begun work to offer security support for testing, and to some extent, for unstable." If security and reliability are important, I'd stick to stable. Period. YMMV. It's always a difficult decision between 'I'd rather have xxx' and security. If reliability is important, I would rather stick to stable, but YMMV. I'm more concerned about security than reliability. I can handle occasional downtime if something breaks, but I'd rather avoid my system being compromised. I meant to write "reliability AND security". About 'occsional downtime': If it's a server that is supposed to be online 12 month per year, you should also consider the implications of a downtime while you are on vacation or have other important things to do ;-) Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Jun 1, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:At least one already. And she wasn't even elected for the two terms she was in office, so she can still serve two more terms. Edith Wilson is dead!
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Katipo wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Katipo wrote: >> >> >>> Mike McCarty wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a consequence of the fact that, in the USA, the Sovereign is the Electorate, >>> Yes, but that's all rapidly changing, isn't it? >>> >> >> When was *your* Head of State elected? Oh, wait, she wasn't, was she? >> >> > Now, now. > > Just because I'm not American, don't assume I'm English. > It's a big world out here. > > I come from a country that currently has its second, elected, female > head of state in office. Given your .au address, I presumed you are Australian. The Australian Head of State is ... Elizabeth II. > Oh, hang on a minute! > How many female American presidents have there been? > > We're funny people, we New Zealanders. > We're not afraid of our women, like that. > We actually like them taking care of the home front. > It actually feels normal. > > We've got more important things to do than the housework. > Regards, - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEfwDWS9HxQb37XmcRAj9SAJwL1XLCCXjPCgEIZXWhtwIFQJAjpgCfdW6A PocWH5F0AbxssQ755uRfMHM= =m/T4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Katipo wrote: > > Now, now. > > Just because I'm not American, don't assume I'm English. > It's a big world out here. > > I come from a country that currently has its second, elected, female > head of state in office. > > Oh, hang on a minute! > How many female American presidents have there been? > At least one already. And she wasn't even elected for the two terms she was in office, so she can still serve two more terms. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backports & security]
George Borisov wrote: > Felix C. Stegerman wrote: > >>Wouldn't mixing stable and testing be less secure than using >>backports? Or is security support for testing good enough to rely on >>for (some packages on) production servers? > > > Supposedly testing gets security updates now. It is in > security.debian.org together with stable. It is a relatively recent > thing, so the information is a bit patchy and contradictory at times. > > I would be interested in finding out more. > > That is an indication that we are nearing release in a few months. In particular, I think it is being done earlier for Etch so that the same infrastructre problems that happened right after the Sarge release are not repeated. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>Come off it, Paul. Even under the conditions that Gore's team asked for >>> on the recounts Bush won. In fact only under one recout, one Gore's team >>> *DIDN'T* ask for did Gore squeak by on a narrower margin than any of the >>> other >>> recounts. >> >> The only count in which all the ballots were counted. >> > Yeah, after they had excluded many (nearly all?) legitimate absentee > ballots. Many of which were sent in by military personnel. You know, > those people who tend to vote predominately Republican? Besides, is it really practical to expect 6,000,000 ballots[0], most of which are analog, to all be cast correctly and then counted correctly? No. Too much human intervention. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Presidential_Election#Florida_election_results - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEfvwfS9HxQb37XmcRAlzlAJ9kdY6qUrhwn9WUtTCg1Bka3G/0TACeMHJK I8knTaPHk5Wc85Pf6KnQB3g= =Rque -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Katipo wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: This is a consequence of the fact that, in the USA, the Sovereign is the Electorate, Yes, but that's all rapidly changing, isn't it? When was *your* Head of State elected? Oh, wait, she wasn't, was she? Now, now. Just because I'm not American, don't assume I'm English. It's a big world out here. I come from a country that currently has its second, elected, female head of state in office. Oh, hang on a minute! How many female American presidents have there been? We're funny people, we New Zealanders. We're not afraid of our women, like that. We actually like them taking care of the home front. It actually feels normal. We've got more important things to do than the housework. Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Curt Howland wrote: > On Thursday 01 June 2006 09:52, Rich Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > >>>The budget? ...waitthat's underflow. > > > Naa, it's damage due to deliberate overclocking by politicians. > So, how would we implement liquid hydrogen or liquid helium cooling of the budget? -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
Rich Johnson wrote: > > On May 31, 2006, at 9:39 PM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >> Pascal Hakim wrote: >> >>> >>> Australian governor-generals are chosen by the prime minister... >>> (including John Kerr), and can be dismissed by the prime minister. Yes, >>> we technically have a race condition at the top of our government. >>> >>> (But finally! An off-topic debian-user politics thread on *Australia*) >>> >> >> That is hilarious. I have never heard of a political situation >> described as a race condition. So, what is the political equivalent of >> a stack smash or a buffer overflow? > > > OH!, I missed the obvious---BALLOT STUFFING! > > Hey, you asked :-) > Cool. Then feature creep could be compared the current penchant of congress for passing new, unenforcable, unnecessary and stupid laws. We could also draw this analogy: Windows -> do everything centrally and take rights away from the little guy This is equivalent to the Democrat and neo-conservative approach to life Linux/Unix -> small tools that do one job well and empower the individual This would be the equivalent to the Libertarian and traditional conservative approach to life -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 01 June 2006 09:52, Rich Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > The budget? ...waitthat's underflow. Naa, it's damage due to deliberate overclocking by politicians. - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRH735S9Y35yItIgBAQL9lQf/QunZWSsaOrwZPLJdLYnzRW3cZZhnevH0 w+N32qhpjpWc82dfG/I4VPZbEM4o4KXQT7pfCn+wqA9YqQ0rkA9zOK/kGFOLqRK7 rF+6W2Jdg85bbiero5zfknWQPXTnZQoXL/Fti3rbkdIb/iERmByisXTNjqUtsHsh 6BpSYafLZHXdkFJGgSnTUU+YB/B/QmDJ/eBeZZKYBDQZ+3VcKnn75sovIZpIZfCr Tqm/DGtrhXVL+ebSEDSFeeP5RXf3chy32jz7prW09K9Y2oHpMjzaDNf9u6t0Otc+ 9h8zEtgFUL5vRI/3L1Uxl1YqUu0Y5isYnluHLebL9pNLbk7n3aqcGg== =L5Cy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [backports & security]
Felix C. Stegerman wrote: > > Wouldn't mixing stable and testing be less secure than using > backports? Or is security support for testing good enough to rely on > for (some packages on) production servers? Supposedly testing gets security updates now. It is in security.debian.org together with stable. It is a relatively recent thing, so the information is a bit patchy and contradictory at times. I would be interested in finding out more. -- George Borisov DXSolutions Ltd signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backports & security]
Felix C. Stegerman wrote: > > I'm running unstable on my desktop (well, actually a laptop), so I'm > accustomed to the occasional breakage and could probably live with it. > > I'm just reluctant to use unstable on a production server connected to > the internet, because I don't want to leave the server (potentially) > vulnerable. > > If, however, security updates to unstable are reliable enough, I would > seriously consider using it (and test upgrades on my laptop first). > > Would you say unstable is reliable enough to use on a production > server that can handle occasional downtime? Without any unnecessary > risk of leaving it open to vulnerabilities? Personally, I stick to stable servers since I don't have time to babysit them through frequent dist-upgrades. If you need only a few more recent packages, then stable+backports is probably your best bet. If you need lots of new packages, then unstable might work for you. However, you must realize that many (nearly all) Debian developers are volunteers (i.e., their employers do not pay them to work on Debian full time) and so packages can fall behind upstream releases because the maintainer gets busy. For a good example of this, see http://bugs.debian.org/src:cyrus-sasl2 The cyrus-sasl2 package is arguably a very important package. However, it is now something like three or four minor versions behind upstream and has a ton of bugs. That is not a good situation and the maintainer has recently orphaned it. However, there is enough attention from other Debian developers that at least security issues are resolved. I would be careful of using a server running on unstable that uses packages which have been orphaned, as those are generally the least likely to receive attention. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On May 31, 2006, at 9:39 PM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Pascal Hakim wrote: Australian governor-generals are chosen by the prime minister... (including John Kerr), and can be dismissed by the prime minister. Yes, we technically have a race condition at the top of our government. (But finally! An off-topic debian-user politics thread on *Australia*) That is hilarious. I have never heard of a political situation described as a race condition. So, what is the political equivalent of a stack smash or a buffer overflow? OH!, I missed the obvious---BALLOT STUFFING! Hey, you asked :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is it a bad idea to use unstable on a server ?
* Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-05-27 01:07]: > > So it comes down to: > > * Is it a bad idea to use unstable on a production server > > when it comes to security? > > Possibly to probably yes (the answer for stable would be "no"). > > > * If so, would you recommend using testing, or stable? > > Stable. > > > * And does anyone with experience running unstable on production > > servers know of any other caveats I should be aware of? > > Don't do it unless you want to babysit it constantly and do a lot of > reading in your free time to keep track of development and latest > bugs a lot more carefully than you otherwise would. So just keeping up with debian security announcements wouldn't be enough? I would have to actively monitor security issues for the services the server provides? Or would it be enough to make sure I keep the server up-to-date and occasionally take it down to fix some debian-unstable-induced breakage to keep it secure? - Felix -- Felix C. Stegerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://obfusk.net ~ "Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature." ~ -- R. Kulawiec ~ vim: set ft=mail tw=70 sw=2 sts=2 et: pgpVNCvLKwJz5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: source code editor
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > If you are learning a new editor, learn vim instead of vi. vim is > basically 'vi iMproved'. It is a very nice, powerful and not bloated editor. > It has syntax highlighting, folding, ctags support, compile/edit/run support > within vim and a lot more. As tempted as I was to suggest my favourite editor, the OP did ask for 'lightest' (as well as 'best'.) As much as I love vim, at 24MB install (Debian Unstable) it is most certainly not light (although it is nice and fast.) Best regards, -- George Borisov DXSolutions Ltd signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: is it a bad idea to use unstable on a server ?
* Jon Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-01 12:11]: > > * Is it a bad idea to use unstable on a production server when it > >comes to security? > > * If so, would you recommend using testing, or stable? > > * And does anyone with experience running unstable on production > >servers know of any other caveats I should be aware of? > > I ran unstable on a server for several years in order to have some more > up-to-date packages (this was in the woody era). I eventually regretted > it, as e.g. libc updates are things you can live without when trying to > provide a stable service. A, yes ... Woody ;-) > I'd just go with stable, keep an eye on the debian-security list and > backport anything that you really need (which should be very little). I wouldn't mind the occasional breakage that comes with using unstable, since the server is only meant to be used by myself and some of the people I (have to) work with. So as long as it stays secure I can handle even occasional downtime to sort things out. Do you think that security support for unstable is good enough for this? Or should I just go with stable + backports? - Felix -- Felix C. Stegerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://obfusk.net ~ "Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature." ~ -- R. Kulawiec ~ vim: set ft=mail tw=70 sw=2 sts=2 et: pgpjV4uZhOUNC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: source code editor
On Thursday 01 June 2006 07:37, Angel L. Mateo wrote: > El jue, 01-06-2006 a las 10:12 +0200, Ivan Glushkov escribió: > > Hi all, > > > > I would like to know which is the best & lightest editor for source code > > editing, which supports syntax highlighting. Currently when I want to > > edit fast some C/C++ file I am opening it with pico. I looked around, > > but it seems like it does not support syntax highlighting. > > Have you tried vi? > If you are learning a new editor, learn vim instead of vi. vim is basically 'vi iMproved'. It is a very nice, powerful and not bloated editor. It has syntax highlighting, folding, ctags support, compile/edit/run support within vim and a lot more. On consoles you can use vim. For graphical environments you can use gvim. If you are serious about programming, move away from editors like pico. Use programming editors like vim, emacs etc., They save you a lot of time in the long run. raju -- http://kamaraju.googlepages.com/cornell-bazaar http://groups.google.com/group/cornell-bazaar/about
Re: [backports & security]
* Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-01 14:47]: > > > It is said that compiling your own kernel with make-kpkg should > > > be pretty easy. It generates a kernel package which you can than > > > install with "dpkg -i". Never tried it myself though ... > > > Compiling smaller software is generally just a matter of running > > > "make" "make install". YMMV > > > > I know ;-) I've used make-kpkg a lot. I'm not sure whether it's > > easy to install one of the newer kernels (even a self-compiled > > one) on sarge though, since it may depend on newer versions of > > e.g. yaird. > > You could avoid yaird by compiling everything in. I think the only > problem would be udev, but I may be wrong You're probably right ;-) So the question is whether udev is easy to backport to sarge, or whether it will cause problems. - Felix -- Felix C. Stegerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://obfusk.net ~ "Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature." ~ -- R. Kulawiec ~ vim: set ft=mail tw=70 sw=2 sts=2 et: pgp8vW3lTJXDr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [backports & security]
* "Roberto C. Sanchez" [2006-06-01 14:59]: > Felix C. Stegerman wrote: > > > > I've thought about using unstable (see an earlier thread I > > started), and decided to go with stable instead. But it's nice to > > know that unstable can be used with very little problem. > > > > In general, there are not too many problems or breakages with > unstable. Occasionally, complex packages will experience RC bugs or > other such things will happen. Security is generally handled > quickly as well, as new package versions are first uploaded into > unstable anyways. The problem is that as an administrator, you have > no guarantee that the behavior of your system will remain the same > from one dist-upgrade to the next. If you are running services in > production, this could be a problem. If you can stand occasional > down time while you sort out such issues or if you have additional > test servers, this tends to not be as much of a problem. I'm running unstable on my desktop (well, actually a laptop), so I'm accustomed to the occasional breakage and could probably live with it. I'm just reluctant to use unstable on a production server connected to the internet, because I don't want to leave the server (potentially) vulnerable. If, however, security updates to unstable are reliable enough, I would seriously consider using it (and test upgrades on my laptop first). Would you say unstable is reliable enough to use on a production server that can handle occasional downtime? Without any unnecessary risk of leaving it open to vulnerabilities? - Felix -- Felix C. Stegerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://obfusk.net ~ "Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature." ~ -- R. Kulawiec ~ vim: set ft=mail tw=70 sw=2 sts=2 et: pgpJknCWEfWSR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [backports & security]
* George Borisov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-01 11:39]: > Felix C. Stegerman wrote: > > > > I'm about to install sarge on a (production) server of my own, and > > would rather like to have the latest versions of: > > * mysql (5.0) > > * vim (7.0) > > * the Linux kernel (2.6.16) [ppc] > > The latter will probably cause the most problems. The Debian packages of > the later kernels depend on an later version of libc6, with all the > further dependency implications. > > You will probably be able to use the kernels you compile yourself. > > For the rest, you could consider mixing stable and testing (through APT > pinning.) MySQL 5 is definitely in testing and vim 7 will make it there > eventually. Wouldn't mixing stable and testing be less secure than using backports? Or is security support for testing good enough to rely on for (some packages on) production servers? - Felix -- Felix C. Stegerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://obfusk.net ~ "Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature." ~ -- R. Kulawiec ~ vim: set ft=mail tw=70 sw=2 sts=2 et: pgplJGDxaVy7e.pgp Description: PGP signature
Squirrelmail
Hello!! I've some problems after installing squirrelmail, the error is: ERROR : Could not complete request. Query: SELECT "INBOX" Reason Given: Unable to open this mailbox. and ERROR : Connection dropped by imap-server. Query: SUBSCRIBE "INBOX.Sent" I know that probably the problem is in the directory creation under homes; I've tried modifying the config.php of squirrelmail setting default_folder_prefix but I've not solved the problem, I've create directory under homes as Maildir... but nothing I've used default settings using conf.pl but nothing. IMAP (I use courier) server is ok. Can you help me? And what's the relationship between postfix user directory system (I use /var/mail/user) and squirrelmail? Have I to change settings in Postfix? Thanks -- Michele Della Marina [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [backports & security]
* Johannes Wiedersich [2006-06-01 12:39]: > > I'm about to install sarge on a (production) server of my own, and > > would rather like to have the latest versions of: > > * mysql (5.0) > > * vim (7.0) > > * the Linux kernel (2.6.16) [ppc] > > Since these are not in sarge, I'm considering using backported > > versions from backports.org. I was however unable to find much > > information on the effect on security of using backports.org. Since > > this server will expose several services to the internet (apache, > > subversion, mysql), I want to make sure that it is, and stays, secure. > > So these are my questions: > > * Are you using unofficial repositories (e.g. backports.org) on > > production servers ? > > Not any more, but I used to when I needed a more recent samba than that > on woody. (Now using sarge). I now use it on my productive laptop for > kernel and OO 2.0, but the latter only very seldom. > > > * Do you (and can I) trust backports.org ? > > I'm not from backports.org, but I don't know why you should trust their > mysql 5.0 less than what you would backport yourself. In both cases, > the chance to miss an important security update etc. is probably higher > than on stable, but you already knew that. Do you know what would be the best way to make sure I don't miss any of those updates? If I backport e.g. mysql from unstable/testing, will I be able to rely on security announcements to debian-security, or do I need to check for new vulnerabilities upstream? > If trust is of utmost importance, it is always better to compile > yourself; and if anything goes wrong you know whom to blame :=)) > > (You could achieve even more trust, if you scrutinize the source code > line by line before compiling... ) > > It's always a difficult decision between 'I'd rather have xxx' and > security. If reliability is important, I would rather stick to stable, > but YMMV. I'm more concerned about security than reliability. I can handle occasional downtime if something breaks, but I'd rather avoid my system being compromised. - Felix -- Felix C. Stegerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://obfusk.net ~ "Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature." ~ -- R. Kulawiec ~ vim: set ft=mail tw=70 sw=2 sts=2 et: pgpHSa3d2mJbi.pgp Description: PGP signature
Printing problem 750C
Hello There, I am trying to print a .pdf file to an HP Designjet 750C roll feed plotter.The length of the plot is equal to 3.5 x A0 sheets but I cannot get it to print the whole thing as I wish, it only does a single A0 sheet taken from the middle of the plot window. I have set the plotter to 'Inked Area' as this looks as though it should then set the plot size accordingly. On the PC, when I go into print set-up I can select 'custom size' but then when going into the Printer wizard/set-up window on the PC I am not able to select anything other than standard sheet sizes! why is this? Would a latest version of the printer driver allow this command or does it need some special code tweaking? A quick response would be very much appreciated Best regards Ken Clark Chief Mechanical Engineer Thales Underwater Systems Ocean House Templecombe Somerset BA8 0DH Tel 01963 372515 Fax 01963 372747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many Thanks Ken This email, including any attachment, is a confidential communication intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. It contains information which is private and may be proprietary or covered by legal professional privilege. If you have received this email in error, please notify either the sender or telephone ++ 44 (0) 1963 370551 upon receipt, and immediately delete it from your system. Anything contained in this email that is not connected with the businesses of Thales Naval is neither endorsed by nor is the liability of this company. Whilst we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this email has been swept for viruses, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses, and would advise that you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>Come off it, Paul. Even under the conditions that Gore's team asked for >>on the recounts Bush won. In fact only under one recout, one Gore's team >>*DIDN'T* ask for did Gore squeak by on a narrower margin than any of the other >>recounts. > > > The only count in which all the ballots were counted. > Yeah, after they had excluded many (nearly all?) legitimate absentee ballots. Many of which were sent in by military personnel. You know, those people who tend to vote predominately Republican? > Kinda pathetic to harp on this years after the fact. Grow up. My > Kinda pathetic people insist on rewriting history. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Wed, May 31, 2006 at 09:32:37AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > Just wait until Alito "elects" Bush to a third term as president of the US > > in > > a 5 to 4 swing decision. Same as the last two elections, just change the > > names of the 7 people allowed to vote in the last two elections... > > Come off it, Paul. Even under the conditions that Gore's team asked for > on the recounts Bush won. In fact only under one recout, one Gore's team > *DIDN'T* ask for did Gore squeak by on a narrower margin than any of the other > recounts. The only count in which all the ballots were counted. Kinda pathetic to harp on this years after the fact. Grow up. My > candidate lost, too. Don't see me harping on it, do you? > > -- > Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? >PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do... > ---+- > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rsh as root without password
Sadegh Ismael Nattaj wrote: > Hi all, > > I am working with a clustered software that needs to rsh as "root" into > every nodes of cluster (before advising on ssh or something else, I must > say that all machines are in an isolated network and there is no > security risk at all). > > I added "machine-name root" string in .rhosts file in root's home of all > nodes or even "+ machine-name root" in "/etc/hosts.equiv" file , but it > does not works. also I remarked this line in "/etc/pam.d/rsh" : > > "auth requiredpam_nologin.so" > > but the problem is still exists. > > Using "rsh-server" and "rsh-client" packages on sarge-31r1. > Regardless of security, this is much easier to implement using ssh and public keys without a passphrase (or with something like keychain if you want a passphrase on your key). -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [backports & security]
Felix C. Stegerman wrote: > > I've thought about using unstable (see an earlier thread I started), > and decided to go with stable instead. But it's nice to know that > unstable can be used with very little problem. > In general, there are not too many problems or breakages with unstable. Occasionally, complex packages will experience RC bugs or other such things will happen. Security is generally handled quickly as well, as new package versions are first uploaded into unstable anyways. The problem is that as an administrator, you have no guarantee that the behavior of your system will remain the same from one dist-upgrade to the next. If you are running services in production, this could be a problem. If you can stand occasional down time while you sort out such issues or if you have additional test servers, this tends to not be as much of a problem. -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: console screen size
On Thursday, 1. June 2006 00:33, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: > Alan Ianson wrote: > > On this particular machine I am working on I get a text screen size of > > 80x25. I'd like to change it to 80x30, or perhaps I need a 640x480 > > frame buffer. Is there a way I can change that from the command line, > > or in grub's menu.list maybe? > > Yes, with the 'vga=' option in grub's menu.lst. > These are some of the url's that provide some clarity: > > http://www.colug.net/pipermail/colug432/2005-October/001613.html > http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/configs/linux/menu.lst > > 'vga=ask' seems to provide a list of choices. Never tried it myself > though. As far as I'm concerned it lists "only" some of the possible modes and not any framebuffer modes at all. On some display adapters some of the probed modes actually do work but on every adapter. Install hwinfo and probe your framebuffer: # hwinfo --framebuffer That should give a comprehensive list of available modes. They've worked for me quite well this far. There is a change that you'll be experiencing some weird stuff on some hardware and Sarge (at least) if you're using the the same mode in console and X (Xfree86). -- -=[JT]=- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [backports & security]
"Felix C. Stegerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-01 08:10]: > > > * Also, since even backports.org does not seem to have vim 7.0 and > > > kernel 2.6.16 (yet), what would be the best way/place to get these > > > from ? Should I (try to) backport them myself ? > > > > It is said that compiling your own kernel with make-kpkg should be > > pretty easy. It generates a kernel package which you can than > > install with "dpkg -i". Never tried it myself though ... Compiling > > smaller software is generally just a matter of running "make" "make > > install". YMMV > > I know ;-) I've used make-kpkg a lot. I'm not sure whether it's easy > to install one of the newer kernels (even a self-compiled one) on > sarge though, since it may depend on newer versions of e.g. yaird. You could avoid yaird by compiling everything in. I think the only problem would be udev, but I may be wrong Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 13:49:26 +0200, Ivan Glushkov wrote: >Angel L. Mateo wrote: >>El jue, 01-06-2006 a las 10:12 +0200, Ivan Glushkov escribió: >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I would like to know which is the best & lightest editor for source >>>code editing, which supports syntax highlighting. Currently when I >>>want to edit fast some C/C++ file I am opening it with pico. I looked >>>around, but it seems like it does not support syntax highlighting. >>> >>> >> Have you tried vi? >> >> >Actually I did tried. But in my case vi is doing some strange things >like for example the Backspace button is making the letter capital, but >not deleting it, etc. VIM is in general to prefer over plain vi. Even though I'm using VIM exclusively for coding I'm the first one to admit that it isn't an easy editor to get used to. I can promise you though that it's worth the effort you'll put into using it. Newsforge has been running a few articles lately on "advanced" topics in VIM. /M -- Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://therning.org/magnus Software is not manufactured, it is something you write and publish. Keep Europe free from software patents, we do not want censorship by patent law on written works. Here's the social reason that DRM fails: keeping an honest user honest is like keeping a tall user tall. -- Cory Doctorow, Microsoft Research DRM talk pgp8HmlqjfzyA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: proftpd startup error ipv6 getaddressinfo
On Sun 28 May 2006 20:50, David Baron wrote: > Now I get an error ipv6 getaddressinfo. It is testing my "machine name" and > finds no such address or service. > > I was not able to find and config file requesting such with my machine > name. This is occuring before the internet connection is actiive but dns > would have nothing to offer here. > > How to fix? You have to add some IPv6 host entries to /etc/hosts as explained in /usr/share/doc/proftpd/README.Debian: ::1 ip6-localhostip6-loopback :::: Ray -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
Angel L. Mateo wrote: El jue, 01-06-2006 a las 10:12 +0200, Ivan Glushkov escribió: Hi all, I would like to know which is the best & lightest editor for source code editing, which supports syntax highlighting. Currently when I want to edit fast some C/C++ file I am opening it with pico. I looked around, but it seems like it does not support syntax highlighting. Have you tried vi? Actually I did tried. But in my case vi is doing some strange things like for example the Backspace button is making the letter capital, but not deleting it, etc. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nate Bargmann wrote: > * Ivan Glushkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jun 01 03:15 -0500]: >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to know which is the best & lightest editor for source code >> editing, which supports syntax highlighting. Currently when I want to >> edit fast some C/C++ file I am opening it with pico. I looked around, >> but it seems like it does not support syntax highlighting. > > I've long, almost ten years now, prefered FTE as it is relatively > lightweight and does a good job with its syntax highlighting. > Unfortunately, its maintainer is AWOL and it has dependency problems > that prevent it from being installed since Xorg 7.0 hit Sid. It's a > shame really. VIM is simply obtuse compared to FTE and I won't even > touch Emacs. Have you tried building it from deb-src? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Is "common sense" really valid? For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins are mud people. However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEftHbS9HxQb37XmcRAijSAJ9iZCsYiXl9A1w0wyIc8IyYeblO5wCgv2pb w7EzD4O9mE2JHgbK5RUlc/Y= =FDCr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
El jue, 01-06-2006 a las 10:12 +0200, Ivan Glushkov escribió: > Hi all, > > I would like to know which is the best & lightest editor for source code > editing, which supports syntax highlighting. Currently when I want to > edit fast some C/C++ file I am opening it with pico. I looked around, > but it seems like it does not support syntax highlighting. > Have you tried vi? -- Angel L. Mateo Martínez Sección de Telemática Área de Tecnologías de la Información _o) y las Comunicaciones Aplicadas (ATICA) / \\ http://www.um.es/atica_(___V Tfo: 968367590 Fax: 968398337 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Ivan Glushkov wrote: |> Lubos Vrbka wrote: |> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- |> > Hash: RIPEMD160 |> > |> > Ivan Glushkov wrote: |> > |> >> Hi all, |> >> |> >> I would like to know which is the best & lightest editor for source code |> >> editing, which supports syntax highlighting. Currently when I want to |> >> edit fast some C/C++ file I am opening it with pico. I looked around, |> >> but it seems like it does not support syntax highlighting. |> >> |> > nedit is very light, extremely easy to use and i like it very much. it |> > also supports tabs. |> > |> > of course, emacs does it as well however the usage is not that |> > straightforward (imho). |> > |> I would like to have something which starts in terminal window if it |> possible. Transferring graphics over dial-up connection is not an option. Have you tried emacs -nw (emacs no window)? You can open emacs in any terminal, even a vt100. Have fun Guillermo Mulliert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: source code editor
* Ivan Glushkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Jun 01 03:15 -0500]: > Hi all, > > I would like to know which is the best & lightest editor for source code > editing, which supports syntax highlighting. Currently when I want to > edit fast some C/C++ file I am opening it with pico. I looked around, > but it seems like it does not support syntax highlighting. I've long, almost ten years now, prefered FTE as it is relatively lightweight and does a good job with its syntax highlighting. Unfortunately, its maintainer is AWOL and it has dependency problems that prevent it from being installed since Xorg 7.0 hit Sid. It's a shame really. VIM is simply obtuse compared to FTE and I won't even touch Emacs. - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
