Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-30 Thread Cameron L. Spitzer
[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark Grieveson wrote:
>> I did try to use superformat.  It seemed to do the low level format 
>> OK, but then it got to running mformat and the drive just made a whole 
>> lot of noise and eventually gave me the following error: 
>>
>>
> This is exactly what happens with me as well.

One more thing.  Scraping the mold helps the head contact the
surface better, but it doesn't erase the remnants of the old
tracks very well.  Those old tracks impose background noise
on the new ones and make read errors more likely.  Use
a bulk eraser if you can.  The ones they sell for audio
tape work fine.  Scrape the mold, then bulk erase, then format.

I don't know what fine adjustments superformat thinks it's
making.  It's been a long time since I looked at the NEC
floppy controller but I don't remember it having very many
knobs to twiddle.  I suspect its reputation for doing a
"better" format than fdformat may be due to it doing
a mold scraping pass first.

But the best advice is just avoid floppy disks if you
possibly can.  Fry's has a 1 GB USB flash drive for US$15
after the rebate.  That's 700 floppies' worth and it fits
on your keyring.  They had a 128 MB drive for three bucks.
Floppies are obsolete.


Cameron


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python-scipy weirdness

2006-10-30 Thread Lubos Vrbka

hi guys,

when trying to install python-scipy and some other things on my 
up-to-date etch box, i encounter the following:


python-scipy-core recommends python-scipy
--\ The following actions will resolve this dependency:
  -> Cancel the installation of python-scipy-core
  -> Keep python-scipy at version 0.5.1-3 (testing, now)
  -> Leave the dependency "python-scipy-core recommends python-scipy" 
unresolved.


python-scipy conflicts with python-scipy-core
--\ The following actions will resolve this dependency:
  -> Remove python-scipy [0.5.1-3 (testing, now)]
  -> Cancel the installation of python-scipy-core

so who's right? either python-scipy-core shouldn't recommend 
python-scipy, or the conflict is set incorrectly.


or am i doing something wrong?

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Re: Slow Firefox

2006-10-30 Thread Lars Staun Knudsen
celejar wrote:
> My Firefox (1.5 on Sid) is really, really slow (startup, getting /
> rendering pages, and even things like displaying the prefs screen) and
> frequently (generally whenever it's doing anything interesting, as
> above) raises cpu usage to 100%,

I got a 1.6 GHz Intel Dothan and 1 GB RAM and Firefox also take 100%
when starting up. Showing flash and heavy java (i think) pages also
gives a heavy load. It helped a bit to go back to default theme, but
only a bit.

>Jason Dunsmore
> Give Seamonkey a try.  It's not in Etch yet, but
> just copy to /usr/local/ to install it. 

I'm stuck with Firefox, cause it has a extension that let you
synchronize your bookmarks with a WebDav webserver. And since I'm
using more then one computer, it's the only system i found that can
for fill my needs,


Best regards

/Lars


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Re: nvidia problems (Sid dist-upgrade)

2006-10-30 Thread Damon L. Chesser

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 20:24:16 +0100, Benjamí Villoslada wrote:
  

El Dilluns 30 Octubre 2006 09:54, Florian Kulzer va escriure:


 (Your
old custom-built nvidia package provides "nvidia-kernel-1.0.8774",
therefore it cannot satisfy the dependency of the new module.) The
linux-image-* package is installed because the nvidia-kernel-* package
depends on it.
  
I remember, thanks! 

Few weeks ago I've uninstalled linux-image-2.6.18-1-486 because I don't use 
this stock kernel --now have one custom kernel.


Exists some procedure in order to avoid this kernel installation when new 
nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source versions come?



One way would be to shut down X and remove the old nvidia-glx package
before upgrading the nvidia-kernel-source package. After you
auto-install the nvidia kernel module with module-assistant you can
install the new nvidia-glx package and restart X.

There might be a better way to do this, but I have not found it yet. (I
only switched from using the nvidia installer script to the Debian
packages a short time ago.)

Other workarounds I can think of involve equivs or installing the
nvidia-glx package with dpkg and "--force-depends".

  
How do you install the nvidia installer?  Every time I use it, I have to 
re-run it at boot time to get it to work.


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Re: Networking down but seems ok... ?!

2006-10-30 Thread Zoran Kolic
> nforce4 sli chipset.

Would be nice to know the exact
chip for ethernet. There could
be part of problem.

> onboard my broadband modem but the install didn't manage to have the
> configuration detected. So at the next step, i configured it manually.

This could be the culprit.

> I noticed i could not ping any server on the net, nor any host on my
> network (even using its ip to skill the name resolving scheme). The
> only ip that's answering is its own ip (198.168.0.3). I tried setting
> up and down the interface, nothing new.

If you change ip address tu 192.168.1.3,
router will be more happy.
The masque is 255.255.255.0.
Change broadcast to 192.168.1.255.
I presume that it is in local net-
work, since it cannot be seen from
void. Some nat is working behind.

Also, check if you have /etc/resolv.conf
file populated.
At last, power off all devices, to reset
arp caches et alia.


Zoran



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Re: Upgrade to Apache2

2006-10-30 Thread Glennie Vignarajah
Le Sunday 29 October 2006 17:55, Daniel D Jones(Daniel D Jones 
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Hi,

>
> The first issue is discussed in bug 392701.  I have websvn
> installed and am getting an error on AuthUserFile.  I have both
> authz_host.load and authz_user.load linked in my mods-enabled
> directory.  What other modules do I need to support AuthUserFile?


Perhaps, you need 'authn_file'.
Have a look at http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/auth.html

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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread Rodrigo Paes

On 10/31/06, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 10/31/06, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:




Worst case was when one entry stated 'tbird' for 'thunderbird'. How
this could work is that typing on the keyboard wouldn't be allowed,
except for packages not available in Debian, something like a dropdown
list where all known entries are shown for specific categories.
Unfortunately the list will be looong, for example for text editor,
but one could just type a specific letter to jump to the desired
entry, as is common on the web for stuff like 'which country are you
from'.



You could create 10 or so categories, add as many know applicatios as
you can to each, and allow the user to either vote on an existing app
or add his own, this way the next  user will have an updated list.
But I agree that after some time the list is going to get huge :)

how long do you want to keep it running ?

[]s
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Re: Monitor sarge server(s) from win box

2006-10-30 Thread Tim Post

On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 23:07 +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 23:12 +0200, Ali Jawad wrote:
> > I wish I could do that..but honestly the server are remotely located
> > with modest internet connections and i do not want to use the limited
> > bandwidth Ive got with monitoring..and I would prefer not to run an X
> > server on the system unless absolutely necessary and to just run
> > GKRELLM ..well I dont see that it is the thing to do
> 
> I understand about the bandwidth, but the X server would not be running
> on the server.
> 

http://dev1.netkinetics.net/xmlpulse/

Help yourself. Just run it via cron and deposit stdout someplace the
win2k server can get to (lighttpd would be ideal on a non standard
port).

Its as easy as just parsing XML. Very much like phpsysinfo, but 7k to
fork vs 12-15 MB for php. A little more gentle than NRPE for the same
intended purpose. 

Good for basic monitoring of vitals, easily modified to do more. 

HTH
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Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-30 Thread Dmitri Minaev

On 10/30/06, Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Not quite, but close. FidoNET pre-dates BitNET (which became Usenet) by
just a few years. I remember this well because I was one of the lucky
few to receive a Usenet feed from Univ of MD (which I piped promptly
into my BBS, heavily modified WWIV).


The first version of Fido software was written by Jennings in 1983,
but the first FidoNET message transmission happened somewhere in
May-June 1984 ( http://wps.com/FidoNet/fidohist1.txt ;
http://www.textfiles.com/fidonet-on-the-internet/tl.htm ).

As for Usenet, the first experiments took place in 1979. You can even
find a diagram of UUUCP/USENET as of 1981 in the Wikipedia Usenet
article.

NNTP, indeed, appeared only in 1985, later than FTN.

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Re: Terminal trouble

2006-10-30 Thread Dmitri Minaev

On 10/31/06, cothrige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In another thread in which I was seeking a better way to handle
unicode in my terminals (my current preference mrxvt does not support
it) rxvt-unicode was suggested as a possible alternative.


xterm from Sarge (xterm-4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1) with $TERM set to
'xterm' and started under a UTF-8 locale does handle Unicode texts
more or less correctly and has no problems with screen redraw.

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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

On 10/31/06, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sound like a brilliant idea. I just don't have an idea how it would be
> implemented, except that there should be provision for names of real
> binaries, instead of names of debian binaries, e.g. one should be able
> to mention a love for top instead of being forced to choose procps,

You're definitely going to need some a "canonicalization list",
which maps various alternative names to some canonical name.

Probably needs a lot of hand-tweaking too... people use weird
abbreviations etc. (e.g., "oowriter", "OOo", "openoffice", "OOo-writer",


Worst case was when one entry stated 'tbird' for 'thunderbird'. How
this could work is that typing on the keyboard wouldn't be allowed,
except for packages not available in Debian, something like a dropdown
list where all known entries are shown for specific categories.
Unfortunately the list will be looong, for example for text editor,
but one could just type a specific letter to jump to the desired
entry, as is common on the web for stuff like 'which country are you
from'.


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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

On 10/30/06, Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

what about
* pim [possibly korganizer - not completely happy with it but no 
alternatives yet]


In such a case, take it to 'misc utilities'.


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vgfsd

2006-10-30 Thread Κουτσομπίνας Γιώργος
safsa-- Κουτσομπίνας Γιώργος


Re: FF vs. Seamonkey prompt for passwords

2006-10-30 Thread Kelly Clowers

On 10/30/06, Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

Seamonkey promts fills in a userid/password or prompts you with a list
of possible userids.

FF you have to fill in the userid first.

Can Seamonkey's behavior be emulated in FF?

Thanks

H


Unfortunately, I can't answer your question for sure. I *think* I
remember reading that the SeaMonkey and Firefox autocomplete features
actually use completely separate code (XULrunner/Toolkit vs XPFE? ),
which would make it less likely they could act the same.

You might have better luck getting a definitive answer over at the
mozillazine forums or on the mozilla user usenet group.

Cheers,
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Re: installing java

2006-10-30 Thread Mark Grieveson

Hi,

On Sid I tried both j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-i586.bin 
j2re-1.4.2-rc1-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin from 
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/JDK-1.4.2/i386/


They both fail.

How do you install java in Sid?

Thanks

H


Follow the instructions at 
http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/68/135/. 

Briefly,  go to http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp to get 
the latest Java Runtime Environment (Update 9, I think).  Go down to the 
download link by the header "Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 Update 
9".  Press download, then accept the licensing agreement (be sure to do 
this), and download the Linux self-extracting file (not the RPM).  
Afterward, follow the simple instructions on the debiantutorials site 
(which includes properly linking the plug in for your web browsers).


Good luck,

Mark


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Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-30 Thread Mark Grieveson
I did try to use superformat.  It seemed to do the low level format 
OK, but then it got to running mformat and the drive just made a whole 
lot of noise and eventually gave me the following error: 




This is exactly what happens with me as well.

Mark


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Re: laptop display (CORRECTION!)

2006-10-30 Thread Mark Grieveson


Mark Grieveson([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
  
> Hello.  I just installed Debian Etch on an old laptop (IBM Thinkpad 
> 770).  It works okay, but the image is half the screen size.  It's a 
> centred box within the larger screen.  How do I make it full size?  I 
> tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", thinking that changing the 
> resolution might help, but, it did not help. 
> I suspect it's something to do with the laptop.  This is the first 
> laptop I've ever had.  All suggestions are appreciated.



I just finished setting up 2 Thinkpad 770's.  It took a lot of
googleing to get a working system running.  


You did not mention which kernel you are running, or which boot
loader, and that matters. ...


If you put vga=0x305 in your grub/lilo setup you can get 1024x768 in
kernel-inage-2.6.8.
ie: in Grub
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8y root=/dev/hda1 vga=0x305 ro

 :-)  HTH, YMMV, HAND  :-) 


Wayne
Hi Wayne.  Thanks for your feedback.  I'll try that.  I'm using Etch; 
so, I think the image is now 2.6.17. 


Mark


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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] fsck! On boot it dies... yet drive okay?!?

2006-10-30 Thread David E. Fox
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:11:40 +0100
"Michael Bonert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On booting my Debian system I get something like:
> -
> [sbin/fsck.ext3 (1) -- /mnt/mdk] fsck.ext3 -a -C0 /dev/hda11
> /dev/hda11: clean, 5765/130048 files, 1425960/2596497 blocks

OK, so ext3 sees /dev/hda11 and it's an ext3 filesystem & should be OK,
as long as it is mounted as such in /etc/fstab.

> Reiserfs super block in block 16 on 0x309 of format 3.6 with standard journal
> Blocks (total/free): 200800/192582 by 4096 bytes.

That's drive /dev/hda9

> Filesystem clear.
> Reiserfs super block in block 16 on 0x30a of format 3.6 with standard journal
> Blocks (total/free): 200800/192582 by 4096 bytes.

And here is /dev/hda10.

> Filesystem clear.
> fsck died with exit status 9
> File system check failed.
> A log is being saved in /var/log/fsck/checkfs if that location is writable.

Now that is odd. If it is /dev/hda10 that is failing the fsck - and
it's not clear that it is, then that could be the problem. But the log
implies that partitions 9 and 10 are good. 

> If I remove the drive '/dev/hda11' from the '/etc/fstab' Debian complains 
> about '/dev/hda10'.

Somehow I don't think hda11 is the problem - since it is ext3 and your
prior fsck suggests that it should be working.

> 
> In any case, I think the error is related to the '/etc/fstab' file somehow.  
> I read somewhere that the order of the entries in the fstab file matter-- how 
> though was not explained.  

That's a possibility, since you indicate later on in the email the
partition in question used to be reiserfs and is now something else. Of
course, if you have put 'reiserfs' as the partition's file system type
in /etc/fstab, that easily could be a cause for trouble. Simply replace
the 'reiserfs' with the appropriate filesystem type and save &
quit /etc/fstab.

> 


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why X insist on using vesa driver?

2006-10-30 Thread Yuwen Dai
Dear all,I have two computers installed Debian sarge.  One uses ATI readon 9000 and the other uses nvidia.  I uses dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xfree86 to configure X, then I found in XF86Config-4 vesa is used:Section "Device"
    Identifier  "Generic Video Card"    Driver  "vesa"    Option  "VBERestore"    "true"EndSectionWhy?Best regards,
Dai Yuwen


Re: Dimension 4300

2006-10-30 Thread KS
Raquel wrote:
> I just inherited a Dell Dimension 4300 with another OS on it.  I
> want to install Sarge.  Does anyone have experience with this
> particular Dell?  Should Sarge install okay.  Should I throw it into
> the river?  Any "gotchas"?
> 

I have a Dell 4500 and have been running Debian Sid for a bit over 2yrs
and it has been working fine with a rare breakage after an upgrade
(which is expected in Sid). The Dell 4300 Debian install should go well
without much trouble. I would suggest you try to install etch using the
daily build of the debian installer (do check d-i's status as it is in
freeze right now, you can always try an older one).

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Re: Networking down but seems ok... ?!

2006-10-30 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:51:31PM +0100, Nicolas Pillot wrote:
> Hello !
Hi Nicolas,
dns issue?  

> :00:0a.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0057 (rev a3)
> 
> I noticed it booted in runlevel 2 but an "init 3" gave me the same results.

in Debian, runlevel 2,3,4,5 are the same. Its up to you to customize
them.

> PS: Is there any way i can disable the infamous beep generated about 3
> times a second when backspacing / tabbing / whatever ? :)
> 
In alsamixer, I lower the speaker volume.
cheers,
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Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 09:27:40AM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:36:41AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> > Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > I'd there's a higher probability of creating new geeks if existing
> > > geeks reproduce.
> > 
> > What is this "reproduce" of which you speak? Is that a new utility
> > similar to "cp"?
> > 
> More like fork.
With the result being child processes!

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Re: Strange: Files served from Apache 2.2.3-2 have 0 Byte

2006-10-30 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 06:33:38AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've encountered a very strange problem after a re-install of my
> server with the new Debian Apache2 2.2.3-2 from testing
> (prefork type because of PHP5).
> 
> The first problem was that libapr1 did not work with my 2.4 kernel
> (lots of segmentation fault errors), so I compiled a new version
> from the Debian sources and replaced the lib from the upgrade
> package. I can't update the kernel because I have a virtual server.
> That took care of the segfault errors.
> 
> Now the real problem: many of the files which should be served by
> Apache are truncated to 0 bytes, although some are not.
> 
Hi Frank,
the 0 byte file are not valid html documents. Fix the html and that fill
fix the issue.
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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-30 Thread Russell L. Harris

Douglas Tutty wrote:

On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:43:29PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:

However, to just read properly .doc files that people email me thinking
that its the only format around, what works?  I need not just the text
but collumns, tables, images, the works.

Is there a way to convert them to PS and view with gv?


antiword


I know that it does the text but does it do everything?

If so, great. 


Doug.


The way to find out is to take your browser; go to www.debian.org; find 
and follow the links to the page which allows you to search the package 
directories; search for antiword; read the description; if necessary, 
download, expand, and read the man page file, which listed on the Debian 
page which describes the package.  And if all else fails, install the 
package and try it; you always can uninstall it.


Or search with Google.

(I know the answer; but you need to learn to make simple searches for 
yourself and to familiarize yourself with the resources provided by the 
Debian web site.)


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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-30 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:43:29PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> >However, to just read properly .doc files that people email me thinking
> >that its the only format around, what works?  I need not just the text
> >but collumns, tables, images, the works.
> >
> >Is there a way to convert them to PS and view with gv?
> >
> antiword
> 
I know that it does the text but does it do everything?

If so, great. 

Doug.


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Re: Console screen energy saving time control

2006-10-30 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 08:24:24PM -0500, T wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:28:05 -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> 
> >> I'm wondering how I can configure my console screen energy saving time.
> >> ie, when my PC is left with tty screens.
> >>
> > man setterm
> > /usr/bin/setterm
> 
> Thanks, I tried
> 
>  setterm -powerdown 1
> 
> but nothing happened, even after 2 minutes.
> 

the man page for setterm under -powerdown says:

If the console is blanked or the monitor is in suspend mode, 
then the monitor will go into vsync suspend mode or powerdown
mode respectively after this period of time has elapsed.

So:  before the -powerdown time comes into effect, the monitor must be
in blank.  It will then go into vsync suspend.  It will then go into
powerdown.

You need to also set -blank

Doug.

 


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Re: Good reader for /usr/share/doc/ and/or man pages ?

2006-10-30 Thread Russell L. Harris

Arthur Marsh wrote:

HXC wrote, On 27/10/06 19:10:
I am searching for a reader that 'automatically' reads /usr/share/doc/ 
and/or man pages. It would be especially great it such a program would 
list the available (Debian) readme's available in the  /usr/share/doc 
directory. Anyone knows such a program?


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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-30 Thread Russell L. Harris

Douglas Tutty wrote:

I understand that to __edit__ MS word files, the only fully functional
option is OpenOffice.

However, to just read properly .doc files that people email me thinking
that its the only format around, what works?  I need not just the text
but collumns, tables, images, the works.

Is there a way to convert them to PS and view with gv?

Thanks,

Doug.


antiword


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Re: Console screen energy saving time control

2006-10-30 Thread T
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:28:05 -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:

>> I'm wondering how I can configure my console screen energy saving time.
>> ie, when my PC is left with tty screens.
>>
> man setterm
> /usr/bin/setterm

Thanks, I tried

 setterm -powerdown 1

but nothing happened, even after 2 minutes.

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Re: Good reader for /usr/share/doc/ and/or man pages ?

2006-10-30 Thread Arthur Marsh

HXC wrote, On 27/10/06 19:10:
I am searching for a reader that 'automatically' reads /usr/share/doc/ and/or 
man pages. It would be especially great it such a program would list the 
available (Debian) readme's available in the  /usr/share/doc directory. 
Anyone knows such a program?





Doing

lynx file:///usr/share/doc

works well here, with gzip'd files automatically expanded for reading 
(using lynx from the lynx-cur package in unstable here).


Arthur.


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Re: postgresql database file names

2006-10-30 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 12:34:36AM -0500, Tony Heal wrote:
> For those who care. Here is how you determine the disk space used for each
> postgresql db.
> 
Neat.  Thanks for the info.

Regards,

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Re: Re: * Files under mount point '/proc' will be hidden.

2006-10-30 Thread Peter Easthope

Both of my problems originated from "cp -r"ing
most of the filesystem from a working system to the
new system created with cdebootstrap.  Bad idea!

At Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:38:14 -0700, Bob McGowan wrote
McG> I can't help with the eth* question ;(

A configuration cache file had been copied from the
other system.  Deleting it allowed eth0 to configure
as it should.

McG> I may be able to help on the 'files hidden' message. A mount point 
is just a directory in the filesystem, which may contain files.


The structure already mounted on /proc came
from copying the file system.

This was a good learning process.  During the
weekend I reinstalled from an etch CD.

Thanks for the enlightenment, Peter E.

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Re: Console screen energy saving time control

2006-10-30 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 06:40:46PM -0500, T wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> I know how to control the screen energy saving time under X, but
> I'm wondering how I can configure my console screen energy saving time.
> ie, when my PC is left with tty screens.
>
man setterm
/usr/bin/setterm


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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-30 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 05:52:39PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On 10/30/06 12:51, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> > I understand that to __edit__ MS word files, the only fully functional
> > option is OpenOffice.
> > 
> > However, to just read properly .doc files that people email me thinking
> > that its the only format around, what works?  I need not just the text
> > but collumns, tables, images, the works.
> > 
> > Is there a way to convert them to PS and view with gv?
> 
> Which DE (or WM) do you use?  AbiWord and/or KWord also work,
> depending on the complexity of the documents.
> 
I've been using icewm.  I've tried AbiWord but found that it couldn't
handle some of the documents I've been sent (mashed columns, no images
referenced in the email, etc). 



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Re: Networking down but seems ok... ?!

2006-10-30 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:51:31PM +0100, Nicolas Pillot wrote:
> 
> I come to ask a question about my networking experience with debian. I
> installed a basic debian system with the i386 network install of the
> 3.1r3 image. My hardware is an asustek a8n sli motherboard, with an
> nforce4 sli chipset.
> 
 
> I noticed i could not ping any server on the net, nor any host on my
> network (even using its ip to skill the name resolving scheme). The
> only ip that's answering is its own ip (198.168.0.3). I tried setting
> up and down the interface, nothing new.

I just installed Etch amd64 on an Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe, also with nVidia
chipset and it uses the same driver as you are.

I had the same problem immediatly after install.  I traced it to my
network switch.  I powered down and unplugged both the computers on the
network and the switch, waited 5 minutes, and turned everything back on.

Everything worked fine from then on.  I don't understand.

Doug.


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What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread David Jardine
My apologies if this messes up the threading - I've just 
cannibalised another person's message because I no longer have 
the original request to reply to.

Here are my favourites:

audio editor [ ]
audio player [ ]
cd-ripper [ ]
Desktop Environment [ fvwm ]
DBMS [ ]
development [ ]
disc burner [ ]
e-mail client [ mutt ]
file manager [ lynx ]
finance [ ]
ftp [ vsftp ]
image editor [ ]
image viewer [ ]
instant messenger [ ]
mathematics [ ]
misc utilities [ sudo, ssh, grep, sed, cut, sort, uniq ]
p2p [ ]
package manager [ apt ]
pdf-reader [ xpdf ]
spreadsheet [ ]
tag editor [ ]
terminal emulator [ xterm ]
text editor [ ]
3D animation [ ]
video player [ xine ]
web browser [ lynx, dillo ]
word-processor [ ]
(unreleased) [ ]
(great honours) [ perl ]

Cheers,
David

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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-30 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 10/30/06 12:51, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> I understand that to __edit__ MS word files, the only fully functional
> option is OpenOffice.
> 
> However, to just read properly .doc files that people email me thinking
> that its the only format around, what works?  I need not just the text
> but collumns, tables, images, the works.
> 
> Is there a way to convert them to PS and view with gv?

Which DE (or WM) do you use?  AbiWord and/or KWord also work,
depending on the complexity of the documents.

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Re: flashplugin-nonfree: Flash Player 9 beta

2006-10-30 Thread Marc Shapiro

Jochen Schulz wrote:


Bart Martens:
 


Users of Debian "testing" are invited try flashplugin-nonfree version
9.0.21.55.1 from "experimental".  This version installs Flash Player 9
beta [1].
   



On unstable this appears to work fine. I installed the package from
experimental, searched google for "need flashplayer 8" and found all
websites I tried to be working with current firefox (and without the
aoss workaround in /etc/firefox/firefoxrc).

This is great news, thanks a lot.
 

What is the likelihood that this will actually make it into Etch before 
the December release?


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Re: Slow Firefox

2006-10-30 Thread Jason Dunsmore

On 10/30/06, celejar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 10/30/06, Edward Guldemond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How much RAM do you have in your system?  In my expreience, Firefox
> takes more memory than Opera does.
> --
> Ed

My Firefox (1.5 on Sid) is really, really slow (startup, getting /
rendering pages, and even things like displaying the prefs screen) and
frequently (generally whenever it's doing anything interesting, as
above) raises cpu usage to 100%, but I'm running on a 475 mhz k6 with
192 MB SDRAM. OTOH, total system memory usage is usually less than 150
MB, so memory doesn't seem to be the bottleneck. I haven't tried
Opera, but from my brief trials of Epiphany it doesn't seem much
better. Not sure about Konquerer; KDE isn't currently installed.



Firefox 1.5 for Linux is slow on modern processors as well (frequent
100% CPU usage).  Give Seamonkey a try.  It's not in Etch yet, but
just copy to /usr/local/ to install it.


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reading MS word files

2006-10-30 Thread Douglas Tutty
I understand that to __edit__ MS word files, the only fully functional
option is OpenOffice.

However, to just read properly .doc files that people email me thinking
that its the only format around, what works?  I need not just the text
but collumns, tables, images, the works.

Is there a way to convert them to PS and view with gv?

Thanks,

Doug.


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Terminal trouble

2006-10-30 Thread cothrige
In another thread in which I was seeking a better way to handle
unicode in my terminals (my current preference mrxvt does not support
it) rxvt-unicode was suggested as a possible alternative.  However,
now I am dealing with an even more aggravating situation, and that is
the alternate screen where the entire screen is cleared after closing
things like man or less.  I cannot put into words how much I hate this
"feature" and would love to find a way to turn it off.  I have googled
and found nothing which worked.  I would assume that other Debian
users are faced with this, since it seems the default in all the
terminals, and I would very much appreciate any ideas of how others
get it to stop.

Many thanks in advance,

Patrick


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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread Miles Bader
"Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sound like a brilliant idea. I just don't have an idea how it would be
> implemented, except that there should be provision for names of real
> binaries, instead of names of debian binaries, e.g. one should be able
> to mention a love for top instead of being forced to choose procps,

You're definitely going to need some a "canonicalization list",
which maps various alternative names to some canonical name.

Probably needs a lot of hand-tweaking too... people use weird
abbreviations etc. (e.g., "oowriter", "OOo", "openoffice", "OOo-writer",
...).

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Re: installing java

2006-10-30 Thread Paul Dwerryhouse
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 05:16:10PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> How do you install java in Sid?

apt-get install sun-java5-plugin sun-java5-bin

apt-get install sun-java5-jdk # If you want the JDK

You'll need the non-free repository in your sources.list file.

Cheers,

Paul

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Dimension 4300

2006-10-30 Thread Raquel
I just inherited a Dell Dimension 4300 with another OS on it.  I
want to install Sarge.  Does anyone have experience with this
particular Dell?  Should Sarge install okay.  Should I throw it into
the river?  Any "gotchas"?

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installing java

2006-10-30 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Hi,

On Sid I tried both j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-i586.bin 
j2re-1.4.2-rc1-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin from 
ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/languages/java/linux/JDK-1.4.2/i386/


They both fail.

How do you install java in Sid?

Thanks

H


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Re: udev

2006-10-30 Thread Adam Hardy

Florian Kulzer on 30/10/06 22:34, wrote:

On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:17:27 +, Adam Hardy wrote:

Hi

I pinned udev to version 0.079.1 a while back after suffering some serious 
hassle with it when etch was testing.

  
Etch is still testing.

I'm still on etch - and synaptic claims that this is still the latest 
version available. Must be wrong, surely?


I am not sure how synaptic deals with package pins. What does does
"apt-cache policy udev" give you? The udev version currently in Etch is
0.100-2.


Oh is it still testing? Thought I read that it had gone stable. Maybe someone 
just said it was stable the adjective, rather than stable the noun.


I should remember that apt-cache policy trick.

udev:
  Installed: 0.079-1
  Candidate: 0.100-2
  Version table:
 0.100-2 0
500 http://ftp.debian.skynet.be etch/main Packages
500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/main Packages
 *** 0.079-1 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
a

I guess it's come along way.

Is there a apt-cache cmd to show what kernel 0.100-2 depends on?

I can't really see it from showpkg

rgds
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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread José Alburquerque

David Jardine wrote:


On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 03:33:23PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
 


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On 10/29/06 13:37, David Jardine wrote:
   


On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 08:07:40AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 04:42:00AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
   


On 10/26/06 13:12, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:

 


note: you don't have to be a user of an application in order like it ;-)
   


If you don't (now or at some time) use it, how do you know if you
like it or not?
 


People can like things for the strangest reasons.
   

I don't know if it's strange, but I liked debian (from what I'd read 
about it) before I tried it and long, long before I was really able 
to use it (if I can yet :( ).
 


You can like the *idea* of something without trying, but you don't
actually like *it*.
   



Yes, point taken.  (Of course, you can also get to dislike things 
you once liked as a user.)


 


For example, *every* heterosexual guy on this list "likes" Scarlett
Johansson[0].  But, she might actually be a grade A bitch, and if we
ever met her, we'd hate her.


[0] If you a monk without a TV, here are some links:
   



We haven't got TV in our monastery...

 


http://www.celebvilla.com/scarlett_johansson/images/scarlett_johansson017.jpg
http://www.sexyfamouscelebs.com/scarlettjohansson/scarlettjohansson/scarlettphotos/scarlett-johansson-profile.jpg
http://netmode.com.vn/dataimages/200603/original/images919603_scarlett-johansson-golden-g.jpg
   



... but the abbot says thank you very much for the links.

Cheers,
David

 


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re: reboot looses configurations

2006-10-30 Thread Bill
On Sun, 2006-29-10 at 06:26 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> hmmm, have you tried chattr +i on a list of the offending files once all 
> configurations are set correctly?  There's a trick I'll do on my next 
> debian installation in which you get the lcap utility aptitude install 
> lcap and you set chattr +a on log files you don't want tampered and chattr 
> +i on valuable binaries including lcap itself.  Then say in /etc/rc.local 
> put a couple lcap lines: lcap CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE lcap CAP_SYS_MODULE 
> After that, chattr +i /etc/rc.local then reboot your system.  See if you 
> can modify /etc/rc.local.  If not the trick was successful. What it's 
> supposed to do if it works is provide plenty of hacker frustration and 
> keep you with an undamaged system.
> 
> 

Interesting. I'll keep this in mind for use with my ids.

I think my problem is more related to scripts however. 
Any idea what scripts are at fault?

b.


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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread Miles Bader
cothrige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hmmm.  Now that I think about it, I don't recall seeing any sources.
> It probably is not free, and I will retract that one and just leave
> nethack.  Too bad though, as I enjoy ADOM a bit more.

Yeah, adom was cool.

There are some nice alternatives though, e.g. I like crawl a lot, and
omega ("omega-rpg" in debian) has a similar outdoor feel to adom
(indeed, _very_ similar... I wonder if adom's outdoor play was based on
omega).

There seems to be a flourishing scene making roguelikes these days
though, so the future seems bright.  [The "7 day roguelike" contest seems
to really have inspired a lot of people!]

The one thing that drives me nuts though -- modern roguelikes which
only support movement via the arrow/numpad keys!  Not only are my
fingers hardwired to the traditional rogue keys (hjkl etc), but I don't
have a numpad...  [adom was nice because it supported user key
remapping, so even though it was a pain, I could solve it.]

-Miles
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Re: udev

2006-10-30 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 22:17:27 +, Adam Hardy wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I pinned udev to version 0.079.1 a while back after suffering some serious 
> hassle with it when etch was testing.
  
Etch is still testing.

> I'm still on etch - and synaptic claims that this is still the latest 
> version available. Must be wrong, surely?

I am not sure how synaptic deals with package pins. What does does
"apt-cache policy udev" give you? The udev version currently in Etch is
0.100-2.

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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread David Jardine
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 03:33:23PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> On 10/29/06 13:37, David Jardine wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 08:07:40AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 04:42:00AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>> On 10/26/06 13:12, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> >>>
>  note: you don't have to be a user of an application in order like it ;-)
> >>> If you don't (now or at some time) use it, how do you know if you
> >>> like it or not?
> >> People can like things for the strangest reasons.
> > 
> > I don't know if it's strange, but I liked debian (from what I'd read 
> > about it) before I tried it and long, long before I was really able 
> > to use it (if I can yet :( ).
> 
> You can like the *idea* of something without trying, but you don't
> actually like *it*.

Yes, point taken.  (Of course, you can also get to dislike things 
you once liked as a user.)

> 
> For example, *every* heterosexual guy on this list "likes" Scarlett
> Johansson[0].  But, she might actually be a grade A bitch, and if we
> ever met her, we'd hate her.
> 
> 
> [0] If you a monk without a TV, here are some links:

We haven't got TV in our monastery...

> http://www.celebvilla.com/scarlett_johansson/images/scarlett_johansson017.jpg
> http://www.sexyfamouscelebs.com/scarlettjohansson/scarlettjohansson/scarlettphotos/scarlett-johansson-profile.jpg
> http://netmode.com.vn/dataimages/200603/original/images919603_scarlett-johansson-golden-g.jpg

... but the abbot says thank you very much for the links.

Cheers,
David

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Re: Dumb question about unicode

2006-10-30 Thread cothrige
* Bruno Delalleau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > 
> I would strongly suggest that you use rxvt-unicode, as it has tabs
> (using a perl extension) which is what you are requesting.
> 
> Bruno
> 

Okay, I am installing it right now.  I will see how it goes.

Many thanks,

Patrick


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udev

2006-10-30 Thread Adam Hardy

Hi

I pinned udev to version 0.079.1 a while back after suffering some serious 
hassle with it when etch was testing.


I'm still on etch - and synaptic claims that this is still the latest version 
available. Must be wrong, surely?





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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread hendrik
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:00:35 -0600
> cothrige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And new items:
* (games) [ ]
* (news) [ pan ]
> > 
> > I think that would be the final list, after more consideration.


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Re: Monitor sarge server(s) from win box

2006-10-30 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 23:12 +0200, Ali Jawad wrote:
> I wish I could do that..but honestly the server are remotely located
> with modest internet connections and i do not want to use the limited
> bandwidth Ive got with monitoring..and I would prefer not to run an X
> server on the system unless absolutely necessary and to just run
> GKRELLM ..well I dont see that it is the thing to do

I understand about the bandwidth, but the X server would not be running
on the server.

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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:00:35 -0600
cothrige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> * Tshepang Lekhonkhobe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On 10/29/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >* file manager [ Real Geeks Don't Use File Managers ]
> > 
> > Many mentioned that Bash is their favourite File Manager, and it was
> > surprising to me that it was considered as such.
> > 
> > >* games [ xnethack, gnobots2 ]
> > 
> > Interesting that this category was overlooked. Probably shows that
> > debian-user doesn't play games that much. But I can't find xnethack in
> > Debian. What I find instead is nethack-x11, and I wonder if that's
> > what you mean.
> 
> Yes, there were a couple of things which I never thought of, and games
> would be one.  I would have to amend my list to include these and that
> would make it as follows:
> 
>  * audio editor [ sox, audacity ]
>  * audio player [ mpd (mpc, ncmpc), cdtool, mplayer ]
>  * cd-ripper [ abcde ]
>  * Desktop Environment [ N/A ]
>  --  * Window Managers [ Fluxbox, ratpoison, ion3 ]
>  * DBMS [ ]
>  * development [ Perl (basic system stuff, and only enough to hurt myself) ]
>  * disc burner [ cdrecord, growisofs ]
>  * e-mail client [ mutt ]
>  * file manager [ bash ]
>  * finance [ No money, that is why I use Linux ;-) ]
>  * ftp [ ]
>  * image editor [ ImageMagick, GIMP ]
>  * image viewer [ ImageMagick, xzgv ]
>  * instant messenger [ centericq, Gaim ]
>  * mathematics [ ]
>  * misc utilities [ screen, conky, wget, bash ]
>  * p2p [ bittornado ]
>  * package manager [ aptitude ]
>  * pdf-reader [ evince ]
>  * spreadsheet [ ]
>  * tag editor [ id3v2 ]
>  * terminal emulator [ mrxvt ]
>  * text editor [ GNU emacs ]
>  * 3D animation [ ]
>  * video player [ mplayer ]
>  * web browser [ elinks, Firefox, Opera ]
>  * word-processor [ openoffice ]
>  * (unreleased) [ ]
>  * (great honours) [ Linux, GCC, glibc, Xorg ]
> 
> And new items:
>  * (games) [ ADOM, nethack ]
>  * (news) [ slrn, nget ]
> 
> I think that would be the final list, after more consideration.
> 

what about
* pim [possibly korganizer - not completely happy with it but no 
alternatives yet]
> Patrick
> 
> 


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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:38:01 +0200
"Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 10/27/06, Rodrigo Paes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  * misc utilities [ sudo, grep, lsof, top, wget, meld, ssh ]
> 
> Nice that you pointed out meld, a graphical diff. I once saw such a
> utility on Windows, and always wondered if there was an equivalent in
> Debian (the kind of reason why I started this thread).
> 

Meld is my favorite due to the editing properties but as for graphical diffs
they are a dime a dozen

xxdiff, tkdiff, kdiff3, flsdiff, vimdiff, emacs

at least meld and some of the others can also show directory diffs and cvsdiff
and the matching svn variant.

> >  * p2p [ bittorrent ]
> >  * package manager [ dselect , apt-get ]
> 
> Wow! Still using dselect. Any advantages over aptitude or apt-get?
> 
> 


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Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-30 Thread Marc Shapiro

Marc Wilson wrote:


On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 07:08:53PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
 


sudo fdformat -n /dev/.static/dev/fd0u1440
   



I have to wonder how you came up with that, vs reading the man page for
fdformat(8).  That tells you to use setfdprm(8) to set the parameters of the
generic device before trying to use it.

Further, why wouldn't you just use superformat(1)?  It usually does a MUCH
better job with marginal media than fdformat(8) does, and it'll invoke
mformat for you when it's done.

 

This thread got me to wondering about my own floppies, which I have not 
checked in some time.  I tried to access several floppies, all 
unsuccessfully.  Mount either seems to do nothing, or it makes a lot of 
noise.  In either case it does not mount the drive and it never exits, 
either.  I tried to kill mount (as root) but that didnpt work.  Nothing 
will turn the drive light off short of physically removing the diskette.


I did try to use superformat.  It seemed to do the low level format OK, 
but then it got to running mformat and the drive just made a whole lot 
of noise and eventually gave me the following error:


$ superformat /dev/fd0
Formatting cylinder 79, head 1
mformat -s18 -t80 -h2 -S2 -M512  a:
plain_io: Input/output error
mformat: Error reading from '/dev/fd0', wrong parameters?

warning: mformat error
Verifying cylinder  0, head 0 read: Input/output error
remaining -1

It occurs to me that, since I recently installed a new MB, that the 
controller has changed and possibly the drive as well) since I last 
tried to use the drive.  Superformat would still be using the previous 
deviation, but where is that stored.  I checked the man pages for 
superformat and fdutils.  They say /usr/local/etc/fddriveprm, but this 
does not exist.  Is there some way to force superformat to check the 
drive and controller again to get the correct deviation for the current 
drive and controller?


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Re: inode spike issue.

2006-10-30 Thread Anthony Tippett
I figured out what was doing it.It was the /etc/cron.daily/find script which is installed to update the updatedb database.I wouldn't think this would slow the system down but I've sure noticed a difference.
Is there a command that will give inode stats.. for example open inodes, inode table size.Should the number of open inodes affect performance?On 10/28/06, 
Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is slocate installed? Did you notice a process named updatedb runningwhen this happens?Best,-TimOn Fri, 2006-10-27 at 16:12 -0700, Anthony Tippett wrote:>> When my cron.daily scripts run there is a huge spike in my open inodes
> and inode table size.  This also causes my system to start slowing> down> dramatically.>> Does anyone know any ideas on how to diagnosis this.  See what all> the> inodes are being opened for?
>> My only thought was lsof but the open files listed in there don't seem> to add up to the 250K inodes that are open.> --> Anthony Tippett - 425 443 3152
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Re: nvidia problems (Sid dist-upgrade)

2006-10-30 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 20:24:16 +0100, Benjamí Villoslada wrote:
> El Dilluns 30 Octubre 2006 09:54, Florian Kulzer va escriure:
> >  (Your
> > old custom-built nvidia package provides "nvidia-kernel-1.0.8774",
> > therefore it cannot satisfy the dependency of the new module.) The
> > linux-image-* package is installed because the nvidia-kernel-* package
> > depends on it.
> 
> I remember, thanks! 
> 
> Few weeks ago I've uninstalled linux-image-2.6.18-1-486 because I don't use 
> this stock kernel --now have one custom kernel.
> 
> Exists some procedure in order to avoid this kernel installation when new 
> nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source versions come?

One way would be to shut down X and remove the old nvidia-glx package
before upgrading the nvidia-kernel-source package. After you
auto-install the nvidia kernel module with module-assistant you can
install the new nvidia-glx package and restart X.

There might be a better way to do this, but I have not found it yet. (I
only switched from using the nvidia installer script to the Debian
packages a short time ago.)

Other workarounds I can think of involve equivs or installing the
nvidia-glx package with dpkg and "--force-depends".

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Re: Is there a way of updating spamassassin rules?

2006-10-30 Thread Robert S

was there an error message? Also, did you had a look on [1]?


Here it is - I'm running sendmail/procmail:

sm-mta[16571]: k9U8TvTo016569: timeout waiting for input from local
during Draining Input

I suspect that the fact that its running on an ageing AMD K6 500MHz
might have something to do with this.

If I run

# spamc < message.txt

It hangs for a *very* long time with the volatile-sloppy version, but
runs OK with 3.0.3 from Sarge.

I might resurrect an unused AMD 22000 that's lying around . . .

Another question - does the spamassassin package from volatile-sloppy
need to be hand-compiled?  I've had no luck with simple apt-get
install.


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Re: Debian and Ubuntu sharing apt-cacher?

2006-10-30 Thread Dave Ewart
On Monday, 30.10.2006 at 13:18 -0700, edwardsa wrote:

> Dave Ewart wrote:
> >On Monday, 30.10.2006 at 11:06 -0700, edwardsa wrote:
> >
> >  
> >>I have some ubuntu machines living inside of a debian firewall machine
> >>that point to an apt-cacher archive on that machine. It looks to me
> >>that I could have the same archive serve both distributions. This
> >>would be useful because I have two other debian machines on the same
> >>network. It looks as though I could put all of the debian debs in the
> >>import directory and run the perl script to put them in the packages
> >>directory.  Am I missing anything?
> >>
> >
> >I don't see any reason why you can't use apt-cacher to cache access to
> >the Ubuntu repositories as well as the Debian repositories; this should
> >work fine, so long as you configure the appropriate upstream
> >respositories for each.
> >
> >I might be mistaken, but it sounds like you're also suggesting trying to
> >*mix* Debian and Ubuntu packages: don't do this!  (If that's not what
> >you meant, then ignore this remark, of course)
> >
> >Dave.
> >
> >  
> Thanks for the response. I agree that mixing ubuntu and debian packages 
> would be a disaster. I just want one place
> to store debians for both distributions, pointing each machine to the 
> same apt-cacher archive and then to their respective external repositories.

Yeah, then that should work fine.

I've used apt-proxy in the past and had it serve both i386 and amd64
machines, which used different repositories: that's not fundamentally
any different to what you're suggesting.

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Re: upgraded my debian testing system and now have font problems

2006-10-30 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 09:27:24 -0800, tom arnall wrote:
> I upgraded my system recently and now have font problems. For example, if I 
> run gaim as non-root, it takes a password and then disappears, leaving:
> 
>   gaim: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0:
>   undefined symbol: cairo_scaled_font_get_f
> 
> In /usr/lib I find:
> 
>   lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root29 2006-10-28 10:57 libpangocairo-1.0.so -> \
>   libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
>   lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root29 2006-10-28 10:57 libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 -> 
> \
>   libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
>   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29256 2006-10-13 11:30 \
>   libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
> 
> I ran pango-querymodules, and this helped some of the font problems in other 
> programs. I tried reinstalling libpango1.0-0. But no change with gaim run as 
> non-root. When I run gaim as root, it's fine, and there is no error message.

Did you already try to create a new user and check if this new user can
run gaim? There might be a problem with the gaim configuration data in
your regular user's $HOME.

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Re: Monitor sarge server(s) from win box

2006-10-30 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 14:28 +0200, Ali Jawad wrote:
> I would like to know how I could possibly monitor my linux server
> "remote" from my windows box..Ive found this article to install gkrellmd
> on my server "no X installed on it I only access it through ssh" and use
> a windows port for the application to view stats and status, but the
> links in the article were broken and upon further investigation it
> appeared that the project was discontinued and the files are nowhere to
> find online.
> The article is here:
> http://www.websightdesigns.com/viewt...torial=gkrellm
> 
> However, I do not mind what application to use as long as I will be able
> to monitor my windows server from my windows box.."I prefer it not to be
> a web-based application i.e. phpsysinfo, ntop".
> 
> So can anyone guide me to an application he tried..?

That link is broken, and I have never used gkrellm, but can't you simply
run it from the server, run an X server in Windows and display the
monitor there?

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Re: rhythmbox missing files

2006-10-30 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 14:58 +, Adam Hardy wrote:
> Sound juicer plays cds fine.
> 
> Debugging showed this:
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [rb_plugins_engine_load] rb-plugins-engine.c:108: 
> Loading 
> plugin: /usr/lib/rhythmbox/plugins/audiocd.rb-plugin
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [rb_plugins_engine_load] rb-plugins-engine.c:205: 
> Could 
> not find 'Description' in /usr/lib/rhythmbox/plugins/audiocd.rb-plugin
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [rb_plugins_engine_load_cb] rb-plugins-engine.c:273: 
> Plugin Audio CD loaded
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [rb_module_init] rb-module.c:132: RBModule 0x83ba430 
> initialising
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [rb_module_load] rb-module.c:64: Loading 
> /usr/lib/rhythmbox/plugins/libaudiocd.so
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [register_rb_plugin] rb-audiocd-plugin.c:99: 
> Registering 
> plugin RBAudioCdPlugin
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [rb_module_new_object] rb-module.c:117: Creating 
> object 
> of type RBAudioCdPlugin
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [rb_audiocd_plugin_init] rb-audiocd-plugin.c:118: 
> RBAudioCdPlugin initialising
> 
> ** (rhythmbox:13446): WARNING **: Could not initalize the HAL context: (null)
> 
> ** (rhythmbox:13446): WARNING **: hal_initialize failed: (null)
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [impl_activate] rb-audiocd-plugin.c:474: found volume 
> for 
> /dev/hdc
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [rb_audiocd_plugin_mount_volume] 
> rb-audiocd-plugin.c:151: 
> checking audiocd for tmpfs
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [rb_plugins_engine_load] rb-plugins-engine.c:108: 
> Loading 
> plugin: /usr/lib/rhythmbox/plugins/audioscrobbler/audioscrobbler.rb-plugin
> (14:51:12) [0x815b3d8] [rb_plugins_engine_load_cb] rb-plugins-engine.c:273: 
> Plugin Last.fm Profile  loaded
> 
> then a bit later this comes up:
> 
> 
> (14:51:30) [0x815b3d8] [rb_plugin_info_free] rb-plugins-engine.c:364: Unref 
> plugin Audio CD
> (14:51:30) [0x815b3d8] [rb_audiocd_plugin_finalize] rb-audiocd-plugin.c:131: 
> RBAudioCdPlugin finalising
> 
> but that's all I can find amongst the stream of debug info. What should I be 
> looking for?

The warnings about HAL doesn't look good, but I'm not sure what can be
done about them, better file a bug.

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Re: rhythmbox missing files

2006-10-30 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 15:09 +, Adam Hardy wrote:
> OK, so my album is called St Dominic's Preview by Van Morrison. And there's 
> another called His Band and the Street Choir.
> 
> What's the plugin searching with? The artist and the album tags, I guess. 
> Just 
> in case it was something stupid, I copied the text strings from Amazon and 
> saved 
> them to the tags. No dice.

I'm not sure actually. There are a few bugs open about missing or wrong
covers, maybe you can add a comment about these albums?

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu sharing apt-cacher?

2006-10-30 Thread edwardsa

Dave Ewart wrote:

On Monday, 30.10.2006 at 11:06 -0700, edwardsa wrote:

  

I have some ubuntu machines living inside of a debian firewall machine
that point to an apt-cacher archive on that machine. It looks to me
that I could have the same archive serve both distributions. This
would be useful because I have two other debian machines on the same
network. It looks as though I could put all of the debian debs in the
import directory and run the perl script to put them in the packages
directory.  Am I missing anything?



I don't see any reason why you can't use apt-cacher to cache access to
the Ubuntu repositories as well as the Debian repositories; this should
work fine, so long as you configure the appropriate upstream
respositories for each.

I might be mistaken, but it sounds like you're also suggesting trying to
*mix* Debian and Ubuntu packages: don't do this!  (If that's not what
you meant, then ignore this remark, of course)

Dave.

  
Thanks for the response. I agree that mixing ubuntu and debian packages 
would be a disaster. I just want one place
to store debians for both distributions, pointing each machine to the 
same apt-cacher archive and then to their respective external repositories.


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Re: Networking down but seems ok... ?!

2006-10-30 Thread Russell L. Harris

Nicolas Pillot wrote:

2006/10/30, Russell L. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

A quick and inexpensive work-around is simply to purchase a network card
which is supported and is recognized automatically by Etch

Ok. I'll unplug the one from my good ol' P75 sarge server, and finish
the install cleanly.


Life is too short to squander upon hardware issues which readily can be
circumvented.

True. But does that mean i'll use this other card forever, or that
i'll help me solve the configuration problem with the nforce
controller by finishing the install cleanly ?

I saw there were binary drivers for the nvidia controller. I read that
they were for slackware / red hat / suse / fedora. I guess there isn't
any debian-"compatible" version around... is it ?


I assumed that the first priority was completing the installation and 
getting the system running.


My experience has been that, once Debian is installed and configured, 
you can switch out network cards and the system automatically recognizes 
 and configures itself for the new card upon booting.


For drivers for the nforce card, you'll have to ask around and Google. 
In most cases, it's really not a matter of compatibility; however, I 
recently tried to use a Netgear card which I later discovered (after 
searching on Google) is a poor design and gives everyone trouble; I 
physically destroyed the card, so that neither I nor anyone else would 
lose more time trying to make it work.


Rather, it's a matter of whether the network chip manufacturer has 
released sufficient specifications to enable the free software community 
to figure out how to work with the device.  Conversely, manufacturers 
make sure that Micro$oft has all the information which is required.


RLH




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Re: Slow Firefox

2006-10-30 Thread celejar

On 10/30/06, Edward Guldemond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

How much RAM do you have in your system?  In my expreience, Firefox
takes more memory than Opera does.
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My Firefox (1.5 on Sid) is really, really slow (startup, getting /
rendering pages, and even things like displaying the prefs screen) and
frequently (generally whenever it's doing anything interesting, as
above) raises cpu usage to 100%, but I'm running on a 475 mhz k6 with
192 MB SDRAM. OTOH, total system memory usage is usually less than 150
MB, so memory doesn't seem to be the bottleneck. I haven't tried
Opera, but from my brief trials of Epiphany it doesn't seem much
better. Not sure about Konquerer; KDE isn't currently installed.

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Re: Debian and Ubuntu sharing apt-cacher?

2006-10-30 Thread Dave Ewart
On Monday, 30.10.2006 at 11:06 -0700, edwardsa wrote:

> I have some ubuntu machines living inside of a debian firewall machine
> that point to an apt-cacher archive on that machine. It looks to me
> that I could have the same archive serve both distributions. This
> would be useful because I have two other debian machines on the same
> network. It looks as though I could put all of the debian debs in the
> import directory and run the perl script to put them in the packages
> directory.  Am I missing anything?

I don't see any reason why you can't use apt-cacher to cache access to
the Ubuntu repositories as well as the Debian repositories; this should
work fine, so long as you configure the appropriate upstream
respositories for each.

I might be mistaken, but it sounds like you're also suggesting trying to
*mix* Debian and Ubuntu packages: don't do this!  (If that's not what
you meant, then ignore this remark, of course)

Dave.

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Re: Dumb question about unicode

2006-10-30 Thread Bruno Delalleau
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 08:55:43PM -0600, cothrige wrote :
> * Angelina Carlton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> [snip] 
> > At the moment mrxvt does not support utf-8 but perhaps it will in the
> > near future? If so, you might find rxvt-unicode an adequate interim
> > replacement. I would think this is a little simpler than trying to
> > remove unicode from your OS. 
> > 
> 
> Sounds like a good idea.  I will look into it.  I don't like xterm,
> but recall rxvt being pretty decent.  I like the tabs, but don't have
> to have them, and like you said, for an interim it may work.  Or I can
> just live with the half working workarounds I have been using.
> I feared it may end up getting ugly trying to change from unicode.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Patrick
> 
I would strongly suggest that you use rxvt-unicode, as it has tabs
(using a perl extension) which is what you are requesting.

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Re: nvidia problems (Sid dist-upgrade)

2006-10-30 Thread Benjamí Villoslada
El Dilluns 30 Octubre 2006 09:54, Florian Kulzer va escriure:
>  (Your
> old custom-built nvidia package provides "nvidia-kernel-1.0.8774",
> therefore it cannot satisfy the dependency of the new module.) The
> linux-image-* package is installed because the nvidia-kernel-* package
> depends on it.

I remember, thanks! 

Few weeks ago I've uninstalled linux-image-2.6.18-1-486 because I don't use 
this stock kernel --now have one custom kernel.

Exists some procedure in order to avoid this kernel installation when new 
nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source versions come?

> This is why I proposed building the new nvidia kernel module before
> upgrading the nvidia-glx module.

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Re: Networking down but seems ok... ?!

2006-10-30 Thread Russell L. Harris

Nicolas Pillot wrote:

The rest of the install went smooth, up to the apt-source selection.
Choosing any server in the list made the installation program hang up
to timeout. So i cancelled the package selection and finished the
install in order to examine what i thought was a networking problem.

When booting, i noticed a _huge_ delay between the "Starting MTA: "
and the display of "exim4.". Delay is about a minute. Then the second
part of the install finished and i have a bare running system.

I noticed i could not ping any server on the net, nor any host on my
network (even using its ip to skill the name resolving scheme). The
only ip that's answering is its own ip (198.168.0.3). I tried setting
up and down the interface, nothing new.


The hang at apt-source selection and the delay upon starting the MTA are 
 because the network is unreachable, despite the fact that the network 
interface appears to be functional.


A quick and inexpensive work-around is simply to purchase a network card 
which is supported and is recognized automatically by Etch (such as 
Intel Pro-100 or 3Com 595TX; beware of Netgear).


Life is too short to squander upon hardware issues which readily can be 
circumvented.


RLH


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Re: The crippled resurrection of said etch.

2006-10-30 Thread hendrik
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:29:56PM -0500, Matthew Krauss wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 10:25:37AM -0400, Matthew Krauss wrote:
> >  
> [snip]
> >>What I would try to isolate the problem is:
> >>
> >>1. Reboot in to single user mode.
> >>2. Log in as root.
> >>3. Try starting X alone:
> >>   $ X 2>&1 | less
> >>   3a. If X starts, you may kill it with ctrl-alt-backspace;
> >>
> >
> >X starts.
> >Killed it with ctrl-alt-backspace
> >
> >  
> >>   3b. If X does not start, you have the output to debug;
> >>   3c. If you get a kernel panic, you know you have serious X problems.
> >>4. Next try starting gdm directly:
> >>   $ /etc/init.d/gdm start
> >>   4a. If gdm starts, there is probably a problem in your startup scripts;
> >>   4b. If gdm does not start, you can check the logs under /var/log/gdm/
> >>   4c. If you get a kernel panic, you know you have serious gdm problems.
> >>
> >
> >gdm starts.  A cursor blinks in the upper left of a black screen, then 
> >the cursor disappears, leaving the black screen of death.
> >Did a hard reset to reboot.  No trace of a log file.
> >
> >try /etc/init.d/kdm start
> >
> >it refuses; kdm is not default.
> >
> >dpkg-reconfigure kdm
> >and make kdm the default.
> >
> >repreat
> >
> >/etc/init.d/kdm start
> >
> >acts just like /etc/init.d/gdm did before -- black screen of death
> >  
> This was good thinking, here -- it's very surprising, but you seem to 
> have shown that both gdm and kdm have a problem where X alone does 
> not??  I'm not sure how to explain that off hand, but will think about 
> it...  At any rate, you've also ruled out interference from more than 
> one *dm running at a time.
> >reset to reboot.
> >
> >This time, after the usual environment checking, it starts a maintanance 
> >shell with a shorter path:
> >
> >/lib/init:/sbin:/bin
> >
> >As a result, lots of commands don't work.  Suppliying the path 
> >explicitly,
> >
> >/usr/bin/dpkg-reconfigure  
> >
> >fails.  Its first error message reports that it cannot execute the 
> >'locale' command.  True enough. 'locale' is not on the path.
> >This looks like a but in dpkg-reconfigure -- shouldn't scripts that are 
> >executed as root specify their command names a little more explicitly?
> >
> >Something is wrong with the maintenance shell this time -- why has its 
> >$PATH suddenly changed?
> >  
> Just a wild wild guess, but maybe you have developed problems on your 
> file system from the hard boots -- if there is anything more serious 
> then the automatic checks can handle, you will be dumped in to 
> maintenance shell from where you are supposed to fix it, and I *think* 
> that it is different from the regular single-user mode you were using 
> before.  Did you see any messages to that effect? Something about 
> running fsck?

That did happen a day or so ago.  But it happened once, and the 
restrictive shell has happened several times.  At that time fsck put  
#501066 into lost+found.

-rw-r--r--  1 root root105299 2006-10-27 14:21 #501066

Its contents may be important.  Here are its first few lines:

Name: abiword-common/add-type1-module
Template: abiword-common/add-type1-module
Owners: abiword-common

Name: adduser/homedir-permission
Template: adduser/homedir-permission
Value: true
Owners: adduser
Flags: seen

Name: aolserver/admin_name
Template: aolserver/admin_name
Value: www-data
Owners: aolserver
Flags: seen

Name: aolserver/doc_root
Template: aolserver/doc_root
Value: /var/www
Owners: aolserver
Flags: seen


Is this something that is very important to put back?  If so, where? Or 
is it some kind of temporary file that gets regenerated on demand anyway?

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Re: Slow Firefox

2006-10-30 Thread Edward Guldemond
How much RAM do you have in your system?  In my expreience, Firefox
takes more memory than Opera does.
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Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread anthony
What's the result of  "df -h"? I'm using 94% of the disk. I have deleted some stuff. I triedchmod -R 775 /home/anthonyand this allowed me to access files in my directory and some of my personal settings 
e.g. pal (calendar) I could start X but not fluxbox.  What should the permissions be for all the settings (invisible) files in my home directory? I have set up another user so I don't have to keep booting between partitions to use the net, but this user is somewhat disabled too 
e.g. no audio other strange symptoms are that in a terminal as root after having logged in as the new user I cannot use cp ?? thinking:/home/anthony/film# cp  /home/anthony/.bbkeysrc /home/thinker/bash: cp: command not found
looks like I need a big clean up, probably re-install etch eventually, however I'd like to get my user (anthony) and my settings back in the meantime. so, what should the permissions be for all the settings (invisible) files in my home directory /anthony/home ? 
On 10/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 10:52:43AM -0600, Kent West wrote:> anthony wrote:
> >one other clue is that I cannot save text files logged in as anthony> >(i get a no space left on device error) but I can as root in the same> >directory>> Ah, then perhaps you're out of drive space on that partition. (*nix
> leaves a small buffer available for root to write to, which normal users> can't use).Or maybe you have a disk quota and it has run out.>> What's the result of  "df -h"?
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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:29:48PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> On 10/29/06, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:12:46PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> A year ago, I asked debian-user about favourite applications. The big
> >> winners in that thread were GIMP, Firefox, K3b, gThumb, and
> >> Thunderbird. I would like to start it again, and I would like those
> >> who are get bored by this to please pardon me.
> >>
> >
> >Hi Tshepang,
> >I have asked before on debian-devel if debian users could be involved in
> >a seperate informal vote like the one from DPL. In that vein, i'd also
> >like to see your poll use the Debian voting infrastucture, devotee, to
> >produce vote results. I think it would be great to have yearly votes
> >like this one or other ones that show what the debian populace think.
> >Any thoughts on this?
> 
> Sound like a brilliant idea. I just don't have an idea how it would be
> implemented, except that there should be provision for names of real
> binaries, instead of names of debian binaries, e.g. one should be able
> to mention a love for top instead of being forced to choose procps,
> since one would only be exposed to the top binary, or find it to be
> the only interesting binary in the procps package.
> The voters in this list did do this, disregarding exceptions where
> several chose apt instead of apt-get as favourite 'package manager',
> for example.
> There should probably be a vote on what categories should be
> considered, instead of using Debian's menu entries, which doesn't look
> suitable at all.

Hi Tshepang,
It should not be hard to have a program parse a line assuming there is a
simple syntax (e.g. A,B,C ...). It seems that certain responses would
lend themself to a program name and others to package name (assuming
there is a difference -- gimp is a program and a package name). This
would take more analysis to find a reasonable way to produce reasonable
results. I may use the recent emails as 'test data'.

> The ability to vote would be nice, just so that we are not limited by
> bug reports on what direction Debian is taking. A lot of us enjoy
> working with Debian so much that we feel a part of it, and this would
> make this relationship a bit warmer...

Many folks have sought this but there has never been a clear path to
joining the project other than becomming a debian developer. With the
birth of Ubuntu, I, and i'm sure others, have felt that Debian should
have a more tangable user presence, sans legal voting rights.
cheers,
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Re: Recent spam increase

2006-10-30 Thread John Hasler
George Borisov writes:
> On my IMAP server at home I have a set of scripts that harvest a
> particular folder in the account and feed all messages to sa-learn. If a
> spam slips through then I just move it into that folder and forget about
> it.

I do something similar.  I also have my script copy recent messages out of
my non-spam folders into a "ham" directory and feed it to sa-learn as ham.

I'm still seeing a lot of stuff slip through recently, though.
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Networking down but seems ok... ?!

2006-10-30 Thread Nicolas Pillot

Hello !

I come to ask a question about my networking experience with debian. I
installed a basic debian system with the i386 network install of the
3.1r3 image. My hardware is an asustek a8n sli motherboard, with an
nforce4 sli chipset.

Before the install, i chose linux26, because using the standard onewas
blocking at the hardware detection. I have a dhcp server running
onboard my broadband modem but the install didn't manage to have the
configuration detected. So at the next step, i configured it manually.

The rest of the install went smooth, up to the apt-source selection.
Choosing any server in the list made the installation program hang up
to timeout. So i cancelled the package selection and finished the
install in order to examine what i thought was a networking problem.

When booting, i noticed a _huge_ delay between the "Starting MTA: "
and the display of "exim4.". Delay is about a minute. Then the second
part of the install finished and i have a bare running system.

I noticed i could not ping any server on the net, nor any host on my
network (even using its ip to skill the name resolving scheme). The
only ip that's answering is its own ip (198.168.0.3). I tried setting
up and down the interface, nothing new.

Here are the stripped outputs of the different tools i know :
[ go to this url to see each full text : http://netsach.free.fr/debian-nforce/ ]

- ifconfig

eth0  Lien encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr
00-11-D8-00-00-73-82-9B-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
 inet adr:192.168.0.3  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Masque:255.255.255.0
 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
 TX packets:60 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
 collisions:0 lg file transmission:1000
 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:2160 (2.1 KiB)

- lsmod :

Module  Size  Used by
forcedeth  16256  0

- /etc/interfaces

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.0.3
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 192.168.0.0
broadcast 192.168.0.255
gateway 192.168.0.254
# dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed
dns-nameservers 212.27.54.252 212.27.53.252
dns-search nipil.org

- dmesg

forcedeth.c: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.29.
ACPI: PCI interrupt :00:0a.0[A] -> GSI 21 (level, low) -> IRQ 185
PCI: Setting latency timer of device :00:0a.0 to 64
eth1: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01043:8141 bound to :00:0a.0

- lspci

:00:0a.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0057 (rev a3)

I noticed it booted in runlevel 2 but an "init 3" gave me the same results.

Any idea anyone ?
Thanks in advance,

PS: Is there any way i can disable the infamous beep generated about 3
times a second when backspacing / tabbing / whatever ? :)

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Re: The crippled resurrection of said etch.

2006-10-30 Thread Matthew Krauss

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 10:25:37AM -0400, Matthew Krauss wrote:
  

[snip]

What I would try to isolate the problem is:

1. Reboot in to single user mode.
2. Log in as root.
3. Try starting X alone:
   $ X 2>&1 | less
   3a. If X starts, you may kill it with ctrl-alt-backspace;



X starts.
Killed it with ctrl-alt-backspace

  

   3b. If X does not start, you have the output to debug;
   3c. If you get a kernel panic, you know you have serious X problems.
4. Next try starting gdm directly:
   $ /etc/init.d/gdm start
   4a. If gdm starts, there is probably a problem in your startup scripts;
   4b. If gdm does not start, you can check the logs under /var/log/gdm/
   4c. If you get a kernel panic, you know you have serious gdm problems.



gdm starts.  A cursor blinks in the upper left of a black screen, then 
the cursor disappears, leaving the black screen of death.

Did a hard reset to reboot.  No trace of a log file.

try /etc/init.d/kdm start

it refuses; kdm is not default.

dpkg-reconfigure kdm
and make kdm the default.

repreat

/etc/init.d/kdm start

acts just like /etc/init.d/gdm did before -- black screen of death
  
This was good thinking, here -- it's very surprising, but you seem to 
have shown that both gdm and kdm have a problem where X alone does 
not??  I'm not sure how to explain that off hand, but will think about 
it...  At any rate, you've also ruled out interference from more than 
one *dm running at a time.

reset to reboot.

This time, after the usual environment checking, it starts a maintanance 
shell with a shorter path:


/lib/init:/sbin:/bin

As a result, lots of commands don't work.  Suppliying the path 
explicitly,


/usr/bin/dpkg-reconfigure  

fails.  Its first error message reports that it cannot execute the 
'locale' command.  True enough. 'locale' is not on the path.
This looks like a but in dpkg-reconfigure -- shouldn't scripts that are 
executed as root specify their command names a little more explicitly?


Something is wrong with the maintenance shell this time -- why has its 
$PATH suddenly changed?
  
Just a wild wild guess, but maybe you have developed problems on your 
file system from the hard boots -- if there is anything more serious 
then the automatic checks can handle, you will be dumped in to 
maintenance shell from where you are supposed to fix it, and I *think* 
that it is different from the regular single-user mode you were using 
before.  Did you see any messages to that effect? Something about 
running fsck?


Regards,
Matthew

[snip]


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FF vs. Seamonkey prompt for passwords

2006-10-30 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Hi,

Seamonkey promts fills in a userid/password or prompts you with a list 
of possible userids.


FF you have to fill in the userid first.

Can Seamonkey's behavior be emulated in FF?

Thanks

H


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Debian and Ubuntu sharing apt-cacher?

2006-10-30 Thread edwardsa
I have some ubuntu machines living inside of a debian firewall machine 
that point to an apt-cacher archive on that machine. It looks to me that 
I could have the same archive serve both distributions. This would be 
useful because I have two other debian machines on the same network. It 
looks as though I could put all of the debian debs in the import 
directory and run the perl script to put them in the packages directory. 
Am I missing anything?


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Re: xterm, mutt, emacs -nw, and utf-8

2006-10-30 Thread Thomas Dickey
Anders Lennartsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thomas Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Presumably you're using the options for telling xterm to use UTF-8 encoding
>> as well.  But I don't see any details of that here, so it could be a problem.

> For xterm I use the default settings for sid|etch|sarge, no local
> changes for my user.

That's supposed to work (since the "locale" resource would make xterm detect
the UTF-8 locale, and start that way).  I seem to recall that there's some
pitfall.

(I usually use uxterm to set the locale per-shell, so I don't have to
ferret out places in /etc to make non-UTF-8 locales work for hosts such
as this one).

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upgraded my debian testing system and now have font problems

2006-10-30 Thread tom arnall
I upgraded my system recently and now have font problems. For example, if I 
run gaim as non-root, it takes a password and then disappears, leaving:

gaim: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0:
undefined symbol: cairo_scaled_font_get_f

In /usr/lib I find:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root29 2006-10-28 10:57 libpangocairo-1.0.so -> \
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root29 2006-10-28 10:57 libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 -> 
\
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29256 2006-10-13 11:30 \
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7

I ran pango-querymodules, and this helped some of the font problems in other 
programs. I tried reinstalling libpango1.0-0. But no change with gaim run as 
non-root. When I run gaim as root, it's fine, and there is no error message.

tom arnall

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Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread hendrik
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 10:52:43AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> anthony wrote:
> >one other clue is that I cannot save text files logged in as anthony 
> >(i get a no space left on device error) but I can as root in the same 
> >directory
> 
> Ah, then perhaps you're out of drive space on that partition. (*nix 
> leaves a small buffer available for root to write to, which normal users 
> can't use).

Or maybe you have a disk quota and it has run out.

> 
> What's the result of  "df -h"?
> 
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Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-30 Thread Tim Post
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 07:52 -0500, Gregory Seidman wrote:

> I am not 100% certain, but I believe Usenet predates FidoNet, if you want
> to talk about message boards and their equivalents. Blogging, however, is a
> different animal.
> 

Not quite, but close. FidoNET pre-dates BitNET (which became Usenet) by
just a few years. I remember this well because I was one of the lucky
few to receive a Usenet feed from Univ of MD (which I piped promptly
into my BBS, heavily modified WWIV).

This was right around the time that the BOFH stories started appearing,
and some crafty people found a way to circumvent ma bell's luxurious
long distance fees with ham radios.

Many won't equate BitNET with Usenet .. as by the time you saw it.. it
was already Usenet. 

To broaden the time line a bit, a couple years later this really big
huge multi line BBS named "America Online" opened running something very
similar to Oracomm. To this day I'm not entirely sure if that was what
we know now as AOL (now) in its infancy .. I just know it was huge and
well funded.

> Considering the architectural aspect, both Usenet and FidoNet were
> decentralized store-and-forward networks of servers with data replicated
> across all of them. Blogging is about the edge of the network, and
> maintaining one's blog on one's own server. (Yes, there are many blog
> services and servers which the users themselves do not own, but the point
> is that the blog posts stay on the server on which they were posted, and
> are retrieved from that server for reading.)
> 

Still aggregated in a similar fashion, minus the nodelist semantics. No
routing is involved in a pingoat, its just a free for all xml/rss push. 

However, you are right, Blogs were not conceived with the idea of store
and forward in mind, unless you count store (once) and forward to
everyone without routing of any kind.

FidoNET created hubs, nodes with logical routes in between them. So did
WWIVNet (and similar networks).

> Considering the discourse aspect, blogs are basically monologues. Yes, many
> blogs have comments and trackbacks, but their essential nature is that of
> lecture rather than conversation. Unless my memory fails me, FidoNet (and
> WWIVnet and the like) had message boards on which people held conversations
> on a topic (much like Usenet or a web forum) but there was no area set
> aside for an individual author to lecture.

Really depended on the theme of the board and sub. Some Fido subs were
themed around 'open mic' rants where people would then comment. But I do
agree with you, Blogs were created for a very specific purpose (as more
or less live journals), where conversation was incidental. The main idea
is exactly as you describe it below.

> 
> If you are looking for activity in the past analogous to blogging, you
> might consider Socrates or Plato's philosophical speeches to their
> followers.

Filibuster and a Kennedy for a more recent example. 

> Less charitably, you might consider the loons in Central Park
> (and, in pleasant weather, anywhere else with freedom of speech, crazy
> people, and a sufficient number of passersby).

Actually, I stand corrected. Filibuster and a Kennedy apply more to your
last example.

This is way off topic, but fun :)

Best,
-Tim


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Re: yikes

2006-10-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
Mark Grieveson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> (xserver-xorg-video-ati).  Now, for some reason, I've got a plug icon 
> letting me know that my computer is running on ac power.  Hmm.
> 
> Mark

And isn't it? :)))

Regards,
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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 08:12:46PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> * audio editor [ ]
> * audio player [ ]
> * cd-ripper [ ]
> * Desktop Environment [ icewm ]
> * DBMS [ ]
> * development [ Modula 3, Eiffel, Algol 68, various homebrew notations 
compiled to C ]
> * disc burner [ K3b ]
> * e-mail client [ mutt ]
> * file manager [ ]
> * finance [ gnucash ]
> * ftp [ firefox ]
> * image editor [ ]
> * image viewer [ ]
> * instant messenger [ ]
> * mathematics [ ]
> * misc utilities [ sudo, grep, lsof, wget, ls, cp, mv, emacs, cat, du ]
> * p2p [ ]
> * package manager [ aptitude ]
> * pdf-reader [ ]
> * spreadsheet [ ]
> * tag editor [ ]
> * terminal emulator [ gnome-terminal ]
> * text editor [ emacs ]
> * 3D animation [ blender ]
> * video player [ ]
> * web browser [ firefox ]
> * word-processor [ emacs ]
> * (unreleased) [ ]
> * (great honours) [ Algol 68 ]
> 
> note: you don't have to be a user of an application in order like it ;-)

Too bad there isn't a viable implementation of Algol 68 any more.

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Re: laptop display (CORRECTION!)

2006-10-30 Thread Wayne Topa
Mark Grieveson([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> Hello.  I just installed Debian Etch on an old laptop (IBM Thinkpad 
> 770).  It works okay, but the image is half the screen size.  It's a 
> centred box within the larger screen.  How do I make it full size?  I 
> tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", thinking that changing the 
> resolution might help, but, it did not help. 
> I suspect it's something to do with the laptop.  This is the first 
> laptop I've ever had.  All suggestions are appreciated.

I just finished setting up 2 Thinkpad 770's.  It took a lot of
googleing to get a working system running.  

You did not mention which kernel you are running, or which boot
loader, and that matters.

kernel-image-2.4.27-speakeasy will not do a fb at 1024x768. I
downloaded the source and it does not allow the framebuffer to be
configured. Your stuck with what you have now with.  The
kernel-image-2.6.8 will tho.  I tried the 2.4.27 source from security
but it won't compile. You can set up the framebuffer but I can't get
it to compile using kpkg or the old fashioned way.

If you put vga=0x305 in your grub/lilo setup you can get 1024x768 in
kernel-inage-2.6.8.
ie: in Grub
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8y root=/dev/hda1 vga=0x305 ro

:-) HTH, YMMV, HAND :-)

Wayne

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Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-30 Thread Mark Grieveson
I've been following this thread with interest, since I was the one who 
initially expressed his exasperation over Linux coughing up floppies 
like so much sour milk.


Anyway, I finally did find a floppy that was actually mounted by my 
system (of course, later, my computer rejected it as not worthy also.)  
Anyway, I did try this superformat on it, with the following result 
(which, of course, is the Linux computer coughing it up as a snobby 
vintner coughs up regular wine):


debian:/home/mark# superformat /dev/fd0 hd
Measuring drive 0's raw capacity
In order to avoid this time consuming measurement in the future,
add the following line to /etc/driveprm:
drive0: deviation=0
CAUTION: The line is drive and controller specific, so it should be
removed before installing a new drive 0 or floppy controller.

Verifying cylinder  5, head 1 error during command execution
  66 04 05 01 01 02 12 1b ff
44 20 20 05 01 0d 02
CRC error in data field
CRC error in data or address
cylinder=5 head=1 sector=13 size=2
error during command execution
  66 04 05 01 01 02 12 1b ff
44 20 20 05 01 0d 02
CRC error in data field
CRC error in data or address
cylinder=5 head=1 sector=13 size=2
Verifying cylinder  9, head 1 error during command execution
  66 04 09 01 01 02 12 1b ff
44 20 20 09 01 0e 02
CRC error in data field
CRC error in data or address
cylinder=9 head=1 sector=14 size=2
error during command execution
  66 04 09 01 01 02 12 1b ff
44 20 20 09 01 0e 02
CRC error in data field
CRC error in data or address
cylinder=9 head=1 sector=14 size=2
Verifying cylinder 13, head 1 error during command execution
  66 04 0d 01 01 02 12 1b ff
44 20 20 0d 01 0f 02
CRC error in data field
CRC error in data or address
cylinder=13 head=1 sector=15 size=2
error during command execution
  66 04 0d 01 01 02 12 1b ff
44 20 20 0d 01 0f 02
CRC error in data field
CRC error in data or address
cylinder=13 head=1 sector=15 size=2
Verifying cylinder 79, head 1
mformat -s18 -t80 -h2 -S2 -M512  a:
plain_io: Input/output error
mformat: Error reading from '/dev/fd0', wrong parameters?

warning: mformat error



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Re: Dumb question about unicode

2006-10-30 Thread cothrige
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[snip]
> > > That should at least ease the ulgly-line-problem a little.
> 
> That's twice in two days I've seen ugly spelled as ulgly, and I don't 
> recall ever having seen it spelled this way before?  Is a cosmic 
> spelling change starting to take effect?  Is it a conspiracy?  It can't 
> be a coincidence, can it?
> 
> -- hendrik

Makes sense if you think about it.  Shouldn't ugly itself be ugly.
Well, there you go.  Now it can be ulgly.  It even sounds more like it
should.

Patrick


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Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Kent West

anthony wrote:
one other clue is that I cannot save text files logged in as anthony 
(i get a no space left on device error) but I can as root in the same 
directory


Ah, then perhaps you're out of drive space on that partition. (*nix 
leaves a small buffer available for root to write to, which normal users 
can't use).


What's the result of  "df -h"?

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Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> On 10/29/06 15:57, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> > Ron Johnson:
> >> On 10/29/06 15:21, anthony wrote:
> [snip]
> >> And then purge xdm, gdm, kdm and log in like a Real Geek.
> > 
> > Real geeks may still have their terminals running under X. :)
> 
> startx is your friend.

And miss all the random eye-candy of gdm? But I do bootup so rare
lately that I don't see it anyway (last reboot was due to a
dist-upgrade).

Regards,
Andrei
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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

On 10/29/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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On 10/29/06 10:08, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> On 10/29/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> * shell [ bash ]
>
> Not such a valid entry, unless many entries go for other shells. If
> so, then this goes to 'misc utilities', unless you disagree.

A Unix shell is *in no way* a miscellaneous utility.

ANYONE who thinks so has Microsoft on the brain and it totally clueless.


hence the category, 'great honours'. That is if you would put it
side-by-side with stuff like GCC or Linux; I do...


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Re: mutt and maildir question (after recent thread)

2006-10-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 29.10.06 15:54, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > I just took the plunge to try maildir. I use mutt and had to add a few
> > things to my .mutt/muttrc but it seems I'm missing some info. When I
> > used mbox, I could move a mail from mbox A to mbox B by using 's' in
> > mutt and then type in '=NEWMAILBOX' as the new location. This is not
> > quite working with maildir. I pressed 's' and then typed '=.new_mailbox'
> > and wanted it to add it to the new maildir. It asked if I wanted to
> > append the mail to that mailbox. I want the mail saved in
> > '=.new_mailbox/curr' as a unique maildir file. Whats the magic needed
> > for mutt and maildir?
> 
> did you also set up mbox_type to Maildir?

And I think you also must append a / like '=.new_mailbox/'

Regards,
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Re: Is there a way of updating spamassassin rules?

2006-10-30 Thread Raquel
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:10:00 +1100
"Robert S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I run sarge at work and gentoo at home.  On my gentoo box there is
> an "sa-update" script which updates spamassassin rules, without
> requiring that spamassassin is completely updated.  Is there an
> equivalent script that will work with sarge?
> 
> I realise that there is Rules Du Jour, but I'd like to use
> something that's vaguely "official" on a work box.
> 
> 

Use Rules Du Jour.  It's "official" and has been supported for a
couple of years now.  Check http://www.rulesemporium.com/rules.htm

I set up a cron job to update every day using RDJ.

Debian-Volitile doesn't cover rules updates and doesn't even cover
SA updates because of configuration changes in SA for the upgrade
from Sarge.

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America did not invent human rights.  In a very real sense, it is
the other way around.  Human rights invented America.
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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread Zbigniew Wiech

true.

out of three available word processors
in sarge (oowriter, koffice, abiword) only oowriter reads and writes properly
MS Word's more advanced formattings - shadowed backgrounds, etc. As most
people are using MS, oowriter seems quite raisonable choice. 

regards

Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> (2) a giant bloated whale, but actually seems to work pretty well
for
>>     light word-processing duties and reading .doc files
I get in the mail
>
> Maybe you should try abiword.

Yeah, I used to use abiword back in the day, but it
was always
_horribly_ flaky -- it crashed a lot, even on simple documents, and
seemed to randomly reformat text in odd ways based on the phase of the
moon.

oowriter is indeed very bloated, and also used to
be kind of flaky
(never as bad as abiword in my experience though), but it seems pretty
good these days.  I suppose abiword has probably improved as well,
so I
should at least check it out, but I'm pretty put off by my previous
experiences with it.

-Miles

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Re: Please trim replies.

2006-10-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
Steve Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   There are a few good guides online which talk about "commonly
>  accepted" etiquette for posting to mailing lists.  Heres the
>  first one that I read through:
> 
> http://www.enabling.org/ia/celiac/netiquett.html
> 
>   I hope nobody takes offense, and that we can all try to
>  be a little bit more considerate in our posting.

learn.to/quote is another good resource, though it seems the English
version is not available at the moment.

Regards,
Andrei
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Odp: Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-30 Thread Zbigniew Wiech

> >>  * DBMS [ gnumerica ]
>  > Where can I find this?
> OK, I meant functionality not real DBMS ;)
> Small database for office use - sums, filtering etc. Gnumerica is
excellent
> here.

> Did you misspell gnumeric? I can't find gnumerica
in Debian.
You're right. Should be - "gnumeric"


> "hugin"...Can I then catecorize it
under 'misc utilities'?
no problem ;) 
I have it in "photo" menu,

regards




Re: Recent spam increase

2006-10-30 Thread George Borisov
Peter Teunissen wrote:
> 

> 
> OTH, I just looked at some of my recent image spam and when I substract
> the bayes score from the final score, most of it would still be tagged
> as spam (I use a threshold of 5). 

True, but those messages that get through tend to have almost no
score assigned to them. :-(

That said, if I keep feeding the false negatives into the bayes
database then it does a pretty good job.

On my IMAP server at home I have a set of scripts that harvest a
particular folder in the account and feed all messages to
sa-learn. If a spam slips through then I just move it into that
folder and forget about it. :-)


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