Re: erading MS word files

2006-10-31 Thread Zoran Kolic
> You can always send them PDFs as a revenge...

Don't be so althruistic! Send them
postscript file.


  Zoran


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Re: flashplugin-nonfree: Flash Player 9 beta

2006-10-31 Thread Edward Shornock (debian ml)
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 07:49:42PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> >You could always install it directly from adobe.com.
> > 
> >
> Is it there, now?  It certainly wasn't there a few days ago.

Yes, it's at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html


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Re: flashplugin-nonfree: Flash Player 9 beta

2006-10-31 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 22:09 -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
> 
> >Marc Shapiro:
> >  
> >
> >>Marc Shapiro wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Jochen Schulz wrote:
> >>>
> >>>But, once it does get into Sid, or whatever testing will be, then it 
> >>>is almost certain to get backported so that those of us that prefer a 
> >>>'stable' machine can get to all the sites that want 'the most current 
> >>>version of Flash' which seems to include sites like nickjr.com and 
> >>>noggin.com.  Both of these worked until recently, but now I am having 
> >>>problems with them, and my daughter (almost 6 years old) really likes 
> >>>the games.
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>Ooops!  I missed that you were suggesting that Etch would not make the 
> >>December release, and were not referring to Flash Player 9.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I did refer to FP9, I only mentioned FP8 because I have never seen a
> >site telling my I need FP9, but there are a couple that reject browsers
> >with at least FP8.
> >
> >But what I actually wanted to say: FP is closed-source. I do not think
> >that there is a way to backport it.
> >  
> >
> Right!  My brain slipped.  But if the installer is there for Flash 
> Player 9, then where is the actual binary.  I just looked on the adobe 
> site, again, and when I go to download Flash Player all it offers me is 
> 7.0.68.0, which is the same version that I have had installed for what 
> seems like forever.

Been gone for a while... but I am back.

To answer your question Marc:

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html


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Re: flashplugin-nonfree: Flash Player 9 beta

2006-10-31 Thread Marc Shapiro

Jochen Schulz wrote:


Marc Shapiro:
 


Marc Shapiro wrote:
   


Jochen Schulz wrote:

But, once it does get into Sid, or whatever testing will be, then it 
is almost certain to get backported so that those of us that prefer a 
'stable' machine can get to all the sites that want 'the most current 
version of Flash' which seems to include sites like nickjr.com and 
noggin.com.  Both of these worked until recently, but now I am having 
problems with them, and my daughter (almost 6 years old) really likes 
the games.


 

Ooops!  I missed that you were suggesting that Etch would not make the 
December release, and were not referring to Flash Player 9.
   



I did refer to FP9, I only mentioned FP8 because I have never seen a
site telling my I need FP9, but there are a couple that reject browsers
with at least FP8.

But what I actually wanted to say: FP is closed-source. I do not think
that there is a way to backport it.
 

Right!  My brain slipped.  But if the installer is there for Flash 
Player 9, then where is the actual binary.  I just looked on the adobe 
site, again, and when I go to download Flash Player all it offers me is 
7.0.68.0, which is the same version that I have had installed for what 
seems like forever.


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Re: flashplugin-nonfree: Flash Player 9 beta

2006-10-31 Thread Jochen Schulz
Marc Shapiro:
> Marc Shapiro wrote:
>> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> 
>> But, once it does get into Sid, or whatever testing will be, then it 
>> is almost certain to get backported so that those of us that prefer a 
>> 'stable' machine can get to all the sites that want 'the most current 
>> version of Flash' which seems to include sites like nickjr.com and 
>> noggin.com.  Both of these worked until recently, but now I am having 
>> problems with them, and my daughter (almost 6 years old) really likes 
>> the games.
>> 
> Ooops!  I missed that you were suggesting that Etch would not make the 
> December release, and were not referring to Flash Player 9.

I did refer to FP9, I only mentioned FP8 because I have never seen a
site telling my I need FP9, but there are a couple that reject browsers
with at least FP8.

But what I actually wanted to say: FP is closed-source. I do not think
that there is a way to backport it.

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Re: The sad demise of an etch.

2006-10-31 Thread Marc Shapiro

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Someone here pointed out to me that I won't have enough free temporary 
space on disk to compile openoffice in gentoo anyway. 
 

I must have missed that post, so, I'm almost afraid to ask...  How much 
temp disk space does openoffice.org need to compile?


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Re: tremendous size for ".xsession-errors"

2006-10-31 Thread Deephay

On 11/1/06, Kevin B. McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Deephay wrote:

> I have a problem with my .xsession-errors file, this file will grow
> tremendous size each day (956 MB today, cleared yesterday, with a 4 GB
> size).
> The major source of errors comes from gnash (I am using the amd64 port
> which adobe flash player won't work), gnash is not matured yet and
> will produce lots of error messages with certain kind of flash movies
> which can be easily found on many websites, all of the messages are
> logged in the .xsession-errors (millions of lines!), mplayer and other
> applications produce some messages as well.
> So I want to know that is there a way to turn down the verbose level
> of the error log, or should I just add an entry in the crontab to
> clean it every ten minutes? TIA!

If you never care about any errors that appear in that file, maybe
making it a symlink to /dev/null would work?  I don't know a way to
reduce the verbosity offhand.


Thanks for the suggestion.



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Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Kent West
Mark Grieveson wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, that seems to help.  Perhaps having it on "auto" sets up a >
>> Catch-22, wherein a floppy that needs to be formatted cannot be due
>> to > the requirement of the program having to determine the file
>> system first > (which requires that it be formatted).  Or maybe not. 
>> Anyway, I've had > better luck with floppies after making your
>> suggested change; so, thanks > again.
>
> When the file system type for /dev/fd0 was set at "auto",  the
> computer would frequently complain, when I had an unmountable disk,
> that it could not determine the file system type.  Subsequent efforts
> to format, and/or fix the disk via superformat, failed.  Changing the
> file type line of "/dev/fd0" in /etc/fstab from "auto" to "vfat" left
> the machine with no question as to what the file system type of the
> disk was; hence, I believe, it overcame that hurdle to identify other
> errors (bad block, etc), and, more often than before, I was able to
> format and make the disk usable.

That's nuts! I made this change also, and now superformat worked without
complaining, and the one floppy I've tried (which previously I could not
format to save my life) seems to be working fine. Even though I was
telling some of the utilities I was trying to use what filesystem/size
to use, they'd fail. Then this simple little change works (or at least
seems to, with my very limited test sample). Those utilities *should*
have worked; decreases my respect for Debian just ever so slightly.


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Re: ethernet howto

2006-10-31 Thread Tim Post

On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 11:02 +1100, M-L wrote:

> 
> I just want to be able to get from one of my machines into the other, to 
> transfer a few files and that's it.
> 
> Can someone please give me a hint where I can find a simple howto to do this.
> 

Charlie, 

AoE (ATA over Ethernet) would be the easiest route to do it. Please let
the list know your comfort level when playing via command line and I (or
someone else) would be happy to write a short tutorial on how to get
going with it.

Are you looking for a way to "Share" a drive so many systems can read
and write to it at once? Or will most systems be accessing the shared
disk in a read only fashion?

AoE + ocfs2 come stock in newer kernels, setup is rather simple and its
much faster than NFS. This allows for many systems to share (read and
write) to a single partition at once. 

If more of a read only configuration, AoE would suffice. Either way
you're looking at less than 40 minutes to get it going even without much
prior experience.

Best,
-Tim

> TIA
> Charlie
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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-31 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Gnu_Raiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Oct 31 17:32 -0600]:

> I kind of see this as the same type of thing as top posting, no matter how 
> many times you tell them, or post links to why its bad they still do it. 
> After about five e-mail returns they complain that my e-mails are hard to 
> read and want to start another subject.  So they start another subject, and I 
> fill in the other e-mail Yeah I know it's mean. I also tell them they can 
> trim my e-mails, but do they nope! Then if it's really important and I bottom 
> post sometimes they don't even bother to read it, because they think it's a 
> duplicate. 

If they have the misfortune to use an MUA that fiercely forces its
users to top post *cough*Lotus Notes*cough*, then they will do that
elsewhere and believe it is "proper".

> So yes I think that a user aptitude test would be useful, to teach the basics 
> of computer literacy.

Most people learn computer "literacy" by what is acceptable or required
at their workplace.  They then carry this bad instruction over to their
personal lives when they get on the Internet.

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Re: The sad demise of an etch.

2006-10-31 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 12:43:40PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Or should I do something radical to get current software, such as 
> >>> installing gentoo on the former etch partition?
> >> ack! bite your tongue! ;-0
> > 
> > No... that hurts.
> > 
> > The argument for having gentoo is that it really comes close to 
> > the *latest* software, and is seems to be free of the version skews 
> > imposed by package construction using different versions of, say, the C 
> > and C++ run-times.  On the other hand, installation and upgrading take 
> > inordinately long, and I will no longer have the graceful handover from 
> > testing to stable, after which the partition containing the former 
> > stable system is upgraded to new testing.
> > 
> > Oh yes, gentoo is reported to have some stability problems, which is 
> > unlikely to be worse than what's happening to me with etch now.
> 
> fair point.
> 
> 
> good luck'

Someone here pointed out to me that I won't have enough free temporary 
space on disk to compile openoffice in gentoo anyway. 

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Re: emacs and mutt

2006-10-31 Thread Tyler

Thanks!

I don't understand it, but it works. I'm only just starting to learn 
lisp, so I will have to do some reading before I understand everything 
your code does, but in the meantime I have word-wrapping (and probably a 
few other things as well).


Cheers,

Tyle


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Re: flashplugin-nonfree: Flash Player 9 beta

2006-10-31 Thread Marc Shapiro

Ron Johnson wrote:


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Jochen Schulz wrote:
   


Marc Shapiro:
 


[snip]
 


But, once it does get into Sid, or whatever testing will be, then
it is almost certain to get backported so that those of us that
prefer a 'stable' machine can get to all the sites that want 'the
most current version of Flash' which seems to include sites like
nickjr.com and noggin.com.  Both of these worked until recently,
but now I am having problems with them, and my daughter (almost 6
years old) really likes the games.
   



You could always install it directly from adobe.com.
 


Is it there, now?  It certainly wasn't there a few days ago.

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Any source for Woody security updates

2006-10-31 Thread Scott Gifford
Hello,

I have several Debian Woody systems that, for various reasons, are
inconvenient to update.  I somehow misread Debian's support policy,
and though I had another year before support ended, but now I'm
finding that these systems are getting out-of-date and security
updates are no longer available.

Fedora solves this problem with the unoffical "Fedora Legacy" project;
when official support ends, I change my update configuration to use
the "Fedora Legacy" update servers, and get another few years of
security updates.

Is there anything similar for old versions of Debian?  A site I could
put in my sources.list which will provide Woody security updates for a
bit longer?  Any other ideas, or do I just have to drive out and do
the upgrades?

Thanks,

Scott.


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Odd dhcpcd behaviour

2006-10-31 Thread cothrige
Recently, and I am guessing during an 'aptitude upgrade', dhcpcd was
uninstalled.  At the next boot I had no internet connection, and could
not reinstall dhcpcd without one.  I had to download the deb package
on another computer and then copy it over via floppy to run dpkg -i.
I mention this just in case this method makes some difference in
figuring out what is going on.  BTW, I did try aptitude install dhcpcd
to see what would be needed first, and this was all that it seemed to
want.

This was really no big deal, but now things have become really
strange.  About half the time since this I find that after booting I
have no internet connection.  Ifconfig shows that eth0 is up, but
there is apparently no dhcpcd operating.  Right now if I run 'ps aux |
grep dhcpcd' I get this: "root  3730  0.0  0.0   1592   200 ?
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Re: Diagnosing occassional random reboots

2006-10-31 Thread Marty

Dougie Nisbet wrote:
A server which has been running steadily for years is beginning to 
reboot. To the best of my knowledge, nothing has changed. It is a 
dual-processor PIII. It runs stable.


It is tucked away in the loft and usually has no monitor attached so 
tracking this down is difficult. However even if I brought it into a 
more convenient area, short of sitting staring at the screen waiting for 
  a crash or reboot, I'm not sure it would help much.


I think you have answered your own question.  Regular maintenance is
critical, unless you are using industrial components and enclosure.
Even if that's not the problem in this instance, it's only a matter of
time.

Incidently you don't need a monitor for routine maintenance.  I have
a headless server at the end of a 20m serial cable, and I access it
using minicom.


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Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Grieveson


Thanks, that seems to help.  Perhaps having it on "auto" sets up a 
> Catch-22, wherein a floppy that needs to be formatted cannot be due to 
> the requirement of the program having to determine the file system first 
> (which requires that it be formatted).  Or maybe not.  Anyway, I've had 
> better luck with floppies after making your suggested change; so, thanks 
> again.
  


You shouldn't have to mount a floppy if you're going to format it.


To clarify, I was not in any way suggesting that floppies should be 
mounted to be formatted.  In fact, floppies that I can mount and use 
have already been successfully formatted, and don't need subsequent 
formatting.  So, when I was unable to mount and use a disk, I wanted to 
format it to make it usable. 

When the file system type for /dev/fd0 was set at "auto",  the computer 
would frequently complain, when I had an unmountable disk, that it could 
not determine the file system type.  Subsequent efforts to format, 
and/or fix the disk via superformat, failed.  Changing the file type 
line of "/dev/fd0" in /etc/fstab from "auto" to "vfat" left the machine 
with no question as to what the file system type of the disk was; hence, 
I believe, it overcame that hurdle to identify other errors (bad block, 
etc), and, more often than before, I was able to format and make the 
disk usable.


You are correct, and I agree, that mounting a floppy is definitely not 
required to format it.


Mark


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Re: Window managers-which one?

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Grieveson


Plus - how do you get icons to display on your fluxbox work space?

  
Install the program idesk.  In your startup file, at 
/home/user/.fluxbox/startup, add "idesk &" (without quotes).  Start 
fluxbox and you'll see a home icon.  If my memory serves me correctly, I 
think it's pretty easy to create other icons.  Files managing  the icons 
are in the /home/user/.idesktop directory.


Mark


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Re: emacs and mutt

2006-10-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2006-10-31 23:42:42 +, Tyler wrote:
> I've got mutt up and running (although I'm still using thunderbird for 
> mailing lists/newsgroups, hopefully not much longer). One problem I've 
> run into is that I can't convince it to open emacs in text-mode. I've 
> got text-mode set-up for auto-fill, which I like using for sending mail. 

You can use a find-file-hook. See my example on:

  http://www.vinc17.org/mutt/

(in my case, I do other things and set the mode to mail-mode, but it
is easy to adapt).

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Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 07:43:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 10/31/06 19:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:01:54PM -0500, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> [snip]
> > You shouldn't have to mount a floppy if you're going to format it.
> 
> In fact, you *can't* mkfs a mounted partition, can you?

I think there is some option that overrides all the sanity checks.
But otherwise, no.

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Re: xterm, mutt, emacs -nw, and utf-8

2006-10-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2006-10-30 09:33:02 +0100, Anders Lennartsson wrote:
> EMACS IN XTERM
> 
> Now the problem is emacs in a terminal window. It does properly show
> utf-8 characters when I open documents. But when I start to write it
> does not correctly understand the Swedish characters from my keyboard,
> which indicates some problem with keyboard setting or input or so.
> 
> After opening a utf-8 encoded file with emacs -nw, C-h C produces the
> output in [3].
> 
> Any tips or solutions to get utf-8 working for emacs -nw in xterm?

See http://www.vinc17.org/mutt/ (there's a section on Emacs for Mutt).

The only character encoding problem I have is with Emacs as a terminal
(in which Mutt can be started, useful for mailto URLs). But when Emacs
is started in a terminal (I tried many, including xterm), there are no
problems.

> MUTT
> 
> A related issue is mutt, which I use both on sid and sarge, and it
> starts emacs in the xterm where it runs. In sarge (with utf-8 as
> default) the settings for emacs are seen in [4].  But on sid mutt
> starts emacs differently, see [5].
> 
> I don't understand where the differences come from as my .emacs are
> identical for the two computers, and there seems to be no significant
> differences in the site wide emacs settings.

Probably something different in the default system configuration.
Again, http://www.vinc17.org/mutt/ may help you.

> BTW, is it really necessary to use the package mutt-utf8 to get
> support for utf-8?

I don't know. It no longer exists in testing/unstable. But I use my
own patched version of Mutt (nothing special for UTF-8, though).

> It seems to work and the characters show up nicely in normal mutt. I
> think it my(?) configuration of emacs in a terminal window that is
> the root cause of these problem.

Yes, probably.

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Re: GPL Parental Controls

2006-10-31 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 09:32:46PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> My daughter has begun to do the google. I will not always be able to sit with 
> her and she will figure out how to get into it herself.
> What is there around for keeping kids off the smut, for konqueror or opera?

I have a moderately strong policy against censorship at home.
My kids mostly, when then encounter the smut, say "yucckh" or something 
like that and close the window and try again to find what they were 
*really* looking for.

It's not a problem.

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Re: rescue distro on 128 meg usb key?

2006-10-31 Thread Bruno Buys
Matt Price wrote:

> hi,
>
> my dad is bringing me an old toshiba tablet (don't have the model
> number) that seems to be having serious trouble, possibly a disk
> failure.  I will probably install a linux distro on it eventually, but
> will have to figure out what makes the most sense for this kind of
> machine (limited speed & memory, but pretty specialized needs, esp for
> the touch screen).  For now though I just want to try and boot the
> thing.  apparently the external usb hard drive my dad has for the
> thing won't boot, and I don't have any on hand.  I currently have only
> one usb key, which is 128 megs, and I was wondering if anyone knew of
> a distro that would run off of a removable medium this small.
>
> thanks as always for the help!
>
> matt
>
>
sysresccd is a nice tool, tough i don't know how is it going to deal
with a tablet...
http://www.sysresccd.org/Download


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Re: upgraded my debian testing system and now have font problems

2006-10-31 Thread tom arnall
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 12:52, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 10:41:51 -0800, tom arnall wrote:
> > On Monday 30 October 2006 13:16, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 09:27:24 -0800, tom arnall wrote:
> > > > I upgraded my system recently and now have font problems. For
> > > > example, if I run gaim as non-root, it takes a password and then
> > > > disappears, leaving:
> > > >
> > > > gaim: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0:
> > > > undefined symbol: cairo_scaled_font_get_f
> > > >
> > > > In /usr/lib I find:
> > > >
> > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root29 2006-10-28 10:57 
> > > > libpangocairo-1.0.so
> > > > -> \ libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
> > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root29 2006-10-28 10:57 
> > > > libpangocairo-1.0.so.0
> > > > -> \ libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
> > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29256 2006-10-13 11:30 \
> > > > libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
> > > >
> > > > I ran pango-querymodules, and this helped some of the font problems
> > > > in other programs. I tried reinstalling libpango1.0-0. But no change
> > > > with gaim run as non-root. When I run gaim as root, it's fine, and
> > > > there is no error message.
> > >
> > > Did you already try to create a new user and check if this new user can
> > > run gaim? There might be a problem with the gaim configuration data in
> > > your regular user's $HOME.
> >
> > I set up a new acc't and got the following trying to run gaim:
> >
> >Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> >Xlib: No protocol specified
> >(gaim:7377): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_get_name: assertion \
> >   `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed
> >** (gaim:7377): WARNING **: cannot open display: unset
> >
> >
> > the appl' never started.
>
> Did you start X as the new user before you tried this? The first Xlib
> error suggests that your user (at that moment) did not have
> authorization to access the X display. This would be a completely
> different thing than your previous problem. (I am not sure about the
> significance of the "No protocol specified" message, though.)
>

Florian,

I fixed the problem by copying the .gaim directory from root to my directory. 
The problem was as you suggested: corrupted config' file. Thanks very much 
for your help in this.

tom arnall
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Re: vncserver

2006-10-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2006-10-29 11:02:25 +0800, linux china wrote:
> I post my xmodmap output here, what's wrong with my default settings?
> 
> xmodmap:  up to 2 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
> 
> shift   Shift_L (0xa),  Shift_R (0xb)
> lock
> control Control_L (0x8),  Control_R (0x9)
> mod1Alt_L (0xe),  Alt_R (0xf)
> mod2
> mod3
> mod4Meta_L (0xc),  Meta_R (0xd)
> mod5

Your keycodes are strange. They seem to be the keycodes for the
X server provided by the VNC server. What is important is the
xmodmap output in the X server where the VNC client is (the local
machine, if you prefer).

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Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Ron Johnson
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> You shouldn't have to mount a floppy if you're going to format it.

In fact, you *can't* mkfs a mounted partition, can you?

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Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread hendrik
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:01:54PM -0500, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> >* * *  but instead are given the following lecture:  "mount: i could 
> >not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified".  The 
> >answer, of course, is,
> >"it's a floppy, you stupid machine.
> >Mark
> >"
> >
> >Change file type of "/dev/fd0" line in /etc/fstab from "auto" to "vfat"
> >I had the same problem and it worked.
> >("worked" - more less. About half of floppies I had was reported as 
> >faulty, but it's another story) 
> 
> Thanks, that seems to help.  Perhaps having it on "auto" sets up a 
> Catch-22, wherein a floppy that needs to be formatted cannot be due to 
> the requirement of the program having to determine the file system first 
> (which requires that it be formatted).  Or maybe not.  Anyway, I've had 
> better luck with floppies after making your suggested change; so, thanks 
> again.

You shouldn't have to mount a floppy if you're going to format it.

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Re: flashplugin-nonfree: Flash Player 9 beta

2006-10-31 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 10/31/06 17:50, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> Marc Shapiro:
[snip]
> But, once it does get into Sid, or whatever testing will be, then
> it is almost certain to get backported so that those of us that
> prefer a 'stable' machine can get to all the sites that want 'the
> most current version of Flash' which seems to include sites like
> nickjr.com and noggin.com.  Both of these worked until recently,
> but now I am having problems with them, and my daughter (almost 6
> years old) really likes the games.

You could always install it directly from adobe.com.

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Boot frozen due to swapped USB cables (Debian/stable)

2006-10-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
After I inadvertently swapped two USB cables behind my parents'
machine, the boot was freezing under Linux (Debian/stable); no
problem under MS Windows, though.

A first freeze was due to the discover1 package, just after the
following line was printed:

Detecting hardware: open_sock(): No such device

A Ctrl-C allowed the boot to continue. A second freeze was due to
hotplug and was much more a problem. It occurred just after:

Starting hotplug subsystem:
   pci
 [...]
   pci  [success]
   usb

But here a Ctrl-C had no effect. I had to reboot the machine with
the kernel arguments "rw init=/bin/sh" to disable USB hotplug...
until I found that this was due to the fact that I swapped the USB
cables.

First, is it normal that hotplug didn't react to Ctrl-C?
And what about the freeze due to the swapped USB cables?
(I repeat that Windows didn't have a problem with this.)

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Re: how to send command over ethernet

2006-10-31 Thread David Jardine
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:20:53PM -0800, Serena Cantor wrote:
> I have 2 PCs, connect to each other by ethernet, both running Linux. How to 
> send command from one
> PC to the other? I have only one monitor. Will output return from that PC?
 
When you have set everything up, you'll sit at the computer with 
the monitor, log into the other computer, and type your commands.  
The commands will be executed on the other computer but you will 
see all the output on the monitor.  

To set it up you need the "ssh" package installed on both machines.  
How did you install debian on the two machines in the first place?  
Did you unplug the monitor from one machine and then plug it into the 
other one?  If ssh isn't installed, you'll have to do the same 
again.  Run

$ sudo apt-get install ssh

on both machines.  Read the manpages

$ man ssh
$ man sshd

Read the manpage 

$ man ssh_config

to see how to configure ssh on the machine you'll be working from, and 

$ man sshd_config

to see how to configure sshd on the machine you'll want to log into.

And have fun!

Cheers,
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Re: ethernet howto

2006-10-31 Thread M-L
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 11:28, Douglas Tutty shared this with us all:
> On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 11:02:25AM +1100, M-L wrote:
> > I want to just share files between two laptops and have cat 5e crossover
> > cable to do this with ethernet cards in each lappy.
> >
> > Have googled endlessly and found a heap of stuff that wants me to put it
> > through a hub with different cabling and wants me to share a modem and
> > all sorts of stuff like this. Nothing simple and how I can then access
> > each computer.
> >
> >
> > Can someone please give me a hint where I can find a simple howto to do
> > this.
>
> You may be having trouble because its so simple (and historically
> fundamental to UNIX-like OSs).  I think everything you need is in the
> debian-reference and anything that's not is in the networking howto.
>
> Hooking up the cross-over cable takes care of the hardware.
> Ensure that each computer recognizes its ethernet card.
> Edit /etc/hosts and /etc/network/interfaces on each computer
>   (you'll have to pick a network, I would suggest 192.168.1.1 and
>   192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255 broadcast 192.168.1.255)
>
> Reboot both (you could do it without but this is simplest).
> Type ifconfig on each and you should see eth0
> from lappy1: ping lappy2
> from lappy2: ping lappy1
> set up ssh on both
> then use scp, the shvfs of mc, sftp, or whatever to actually transfer
>   the files.
>
> Remember, read the debian-reference.
>
> Doug.

Thanks Doug, I have the Debian reference installed and will go there now.

Thanks again,
Charlie

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Re: ethernet howto

2006-10-31 Thread M-L
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 11:18, Alejandro Bárcena Campos shared this with 
us all:
> M-L wrote:
> > I want to just share files between two laptops and have cat 5e crossover
> > cable to do this with ethernet cards in each lappy.
> >
> > But I have no idea where to start from scratch, have never done this
> > before I any way.
> >
> > Have googled endlessly and found a heap of stuff that wants me to put it
> > through a hub with different cabling and wants me to share a modem and
> > all sorts of stuff like this. Nothing simple and how I can then access
> > each computer.
> >
> > I just want to be able to get from one of my machines into the other, to
> > transfer a few files and that's it.
> >
> > Can someone please give me a hint where I can find a simple howto to do
> > this.
> >
> > TIA
> > Charlie
>
> Just assign an ip address of the same class to each of your laptops. For
> example: 192.168.0.1 & 192.168.0.2
>
> They should be able to stablish a network conection between them...
>
> Then transfer the files the way you like, by ftp, ssh, rsync, tftp, www,
> etc...
>
> I guess the easyest way is ssh, just install it, configure it and: scp
> files [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/path/where/you/want/them/
>
> --
> Saludos,
> Alejandro Bárcena Campos

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Re: Window managers-which one?

2006-10-31 Thread B. Hoffmann




Thank you for all the replies and good explanations, and a bit of a laugh.

Jochen Schulz wrote:



Yes and No. A WM is supposed to, well, manage windows (or give the user
the chance to do it). Typically this includes:

* place windows somewhere on the desktop (may be interactive)

* decorate windows with titlebars, borders, action buttons (minimize,
  maximize, close etc.). Of course the window decoration (not the
  content!) may be "themed".




Jochen: Does this mean that the Themes in Gnome for window frames (Crux etc.) are really metacity themes and were not available if metacity was not installed?

George Borisov wrote:




Not sure why you need Gnome in the first place. If you are happy
with Xfce (do you mean Xfce4?) then you can just do (after
installing the base system and Xserver):




Yes I mean Xfce4. Xfce for me is now just a faster better Gnome. It's getting amazingly full featured and with Zenwalk and Vector standard and some other distros showcasing it it really shines.
I liked Gnome and most of its apps a lot but lately found it rather slow. The journey just started, probably will end up with only something like blackbox like you guys one day. 





If you want even less bloat then you can install Xfce4 components
individually (takes a bit more effort).




Nice to end up with only what you want and nothing more. Got fluxbox on a small DSL partition but for now it's Xfce on the main desktop. Plus - how do you get icons to display on your fluxbox work space?

What about Sawfish?







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Re: ethernet howto

2006-10-31 Thread Alejandro Bárcena Campos
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M-L wrote:
> I want to just share files between two laptops and have cat 5e crossover 
> cable 
> to do this with ethernet cards in each lappy.
> 
> But I have no idea where to start from scratch, have never done this before I 
> any way.
> 
> Have googled endlessly and found a heap of stuff that wants me to put it 
> through a hub with different cabling and wants me to share a modem and all 
> sorts of stuff like this. Nothing simple and how I can then access each 
> computer. 
> 
> I just want to be able to get from one of my machines into the other, to 
> transfer a few files and that's it.
> 
> Can someone please give me a hint where I can find a simple howto to do this.
> 
> TIA
> Charlie
Just assign an ip address of the same class to each of your laptops. For
example: 192.168.0.1 & 192.168.0.2

They should be able to stablish a network conection between them...

Then transfer the files the way you like, by ftp, ssh, rsync, tftp, www,
etc...

I guess the easyest way is ssh, just install it, configure it and: scp
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Re: how to send command over ethernet

2006-10-31 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:20:53PM -0800, Serena Cantor wrote:
> I have 2 PCs, connect to each other by ethernet, both running Linux. How to 
> send command from one
> PC to the other? I have only one monitor. Will output return from that PC?
> 
ssh
Yes output comes back to the computer you're on; can even do X
see debian-reference


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Re: ethernet howto

2006-10-31 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 11:02:25AM +1100, M-L wrote:
> I want to just share files between two laptops and have cat 5e crossover 
> cable 
> to do this with ethernet cards in each lappy.
 
> Have googled endlessly and found a heap of stuff that wants me to put it 
> through a hub with different cabling and wants me to share a modem and all 
> sorts of stuff like this. Nothing simple and how I can then access each 
> computer. 
> 
 
> Can someone please give me a hint where I can find a simple howto to do this.
 

You may be having trouble because its so simple (and historically
fundamental to UNIX-like OSs).  I think everything you need is in the
debian-reference and anything that's not is in the networking howto.

Hooking up the cross-over cable takes care of the hardware.
Ensure that each computer recognizes its ethernet card.
Edit /etc/hosts and /etc/network/interfaces on each computer
(you'll have to pick a network, I would suggest 192.168.1.1 and
192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255 broadcast 192.168.1.255)

Reboot both (you could do it without but this is simplest).
Type ifconfig on each and you should see eth0
from lappy1: ping lappy2
from lappy2: ping lappy1
set up ssh on both
then use scp, the shvfs of mc, sftp, or whatever to actually transfer
the files.

Remember, read the debian-reference.

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Re: Epiphany a memory hog

2006-10-31 Thread John Hasler
Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
>I've been running Epiphany-browser on Fluxbox on my minimal 128MB PIII
>system for 6 days non-stop. Virtual memory usage now stands at 220MB
>according to top.

Turn off caching.
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Is there any good java obfucator you can recommend?

2006-10-31 Thread Serena Cantor
I search sarge package lists, find none.


 

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how to send command over ethernet

2006-10-31 Thread Serena Cantor
I have 2 PCs, connect to each other by ethernet, both running Linux. How to 
send command from one
PC to the other? I have only one monitor. Will output return from that PC?


 

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Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread W Paul Mills

Andrei Popescu wrote:

anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


So, happy as I am that you guys found an excuse to chat about your
respective girlfriends here, I think mine would prefer I talked to her
a bit rather than staring at a screen uttering expletives, so I took
the easy route, made another user, transferred the settings and files
over from /home/anthony . Now I can startx and even check my mail!
However,

I'd like to know what exactly happened and perhaps to get my user
(anthony) and my settings back iat some point so, what should the
permissions be for all the settings (invisible) files in my home
directory /anthony/home ? Are they each different?


Many seem to be

-rw-r--r-- (644)

but there are exceptions

-rw--- (600) .dmrc

I would suggest you set all to 644 and then try each program to see if
it works. If it doesn't then start digging through the man. For
example .mailfilter (for maildrop) has to be 600.


Perhaps all that really needs to be done, is to rename ".dmrc"
and let it be recreated automatically. Certainly less apt to
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request for doc: pdiff in apt repos

2006-10-31 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
Hi,
Would someone help on how to generate DiffIndex/pdiffs on apt repos?
Thank you.


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emacs and mutt

2006-10-31 Thread Tyler

Hi,

I've got mutt up and running (although I'm still using thunderbird for 
mailing lists/newsgroups, hopefully not much longer). One problem I've 
run into is that I can't convince it to open emacs in text-mode. I've 
got text-mode set-up for auto-fill, which I like using for sending mail. 
However, I have not been able to get it to open automatically in the 
mode. I've googled here and elsewhere and found numerous options that 
should work, but none do.


Specifically, what I've tried in my .muttrc:

set editor="emacs -f text-mode"

set editor="emacs --eval '(text-mode)'"

set editor="emacs --eval '(turn-on-auto-fill)'"

All of these work from the command line. None of them work in .muttrc. 
Curiously,


set editor="emacs -nw"

does in fact work from the command line and from mutt.

Any help would be appreciated!

Cheers,

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ethernet howto

2006-10-31 Thread M-L
I want to just share files between two laptops and have cat 5e crossover cable 
to do this with ethernet cards in each lappy.

But I have no idea where to start from scratch, have never done this before I 
any way.

Have googled endlessly and found a heap of stuff that wants me to put it 
through a hub with different cabling and wants me to share a modem and all 
sorts of stuff like this. Nothing simple and how I can then access each 
computer. 

I just want to be able to get from one of my machines into the other, to 
transfer a few files and that's it.

Can someone please give me a hint where I can find a simple howto to do this.

TIA
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Re: Diagnosing occassional random reboots

2006-10-31 Thread David Jardine
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 05:29:29PM +, Dougie Nisbet wrote:
> A server which has been running steadily for years is beginning to 
> reboot. To the best of my knowledge, nothing has changed. It is a 
> dual-processor PIII. It runs stable.
> 
> It is tucked away in the loft and usually has no monitor attached so 
> tracking this down is difficult. However even if I brought it into a 
> more convenient area, short of sitting staring at the screen waiting for 
>  a crash or reboot, I'm not sure it would help much.
> 
> I've tried rebuilding a newer kernel from backports.org. And trimmed it 
> right down as much as possible. There is nothing useful in syslog. A 
> typical series of reboots looks  like:
> 
> dougie   pts/0tbird2xp:0.0 Tue Oct 31 17:15   still logged in
> runlevel (to lvl 2)   2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 17:12 - 17:21  (00:08)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 17:12  (00:08)
> dougie   pts/0tbird2xp:0.0 Tue Oct 31 17:09 - crash  (00:02)
> runlevel (to lvl 2)   2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 16:59 - 17:12  (00:12)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 16:59  (00:21)
> dougie   pts/0tbird2xp:0.0 Tue Oct 31 16:05 - crash  (00:54)
> runlevel (to lvl 2)   2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 15:16 - 16:59  (01:43)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 15:16  (02:04)
> date new time  Sun Oct 29 07:11
> date old time  Sun Oct 29 07:12
> root pts/3kitchens Sun Oct 29 07:11 - crash (2+08:04)
> dougie   pts/2kitchens Sat Oct 28 20:29 - crash (2+19:46)
> dougie   pts/1kitchens Sat Oct 28 11:37 - 16:04 (1+05:27)
> dougie   pts/0tbird2xp:0.0 Fri Oct 27 13:16 - crash (4+03:00)
> 
> 
> And the syslog shows nothing notable around the time. Usuall just lines 
> from postfix as it processes the mail queue, then:
> 
> Oct 31 17:12:22 nick syslogd 1.4.1#17: restart (remote reception).
> Oct 31 17:12:22 nick kernel: klogd 1.4.1#17, log source = /proc/kmsg 
> started.
> Oct 31 17:12:23 nick kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.17
> Oct 31 17:12:23 nick kernel: Loaded 21314 symbols from 
> /boot/System.map-2.6.17.
> 
> I'm not sure how to go about tracking this down. My searching of the 
> archives shows that these symptoms could describe a faulty physical 
> component, such as memory or PSU. So my next step is probably going to 
> be trying to swap the PSU and doing a memtest. One thing about the 
> reboots is that they often appear to be in clusters. For example, around 
>  7AM to 9AM on Oct 24 it looks like it was bouncing for about two hours 
> off and on:
> 
> # last reboot
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Wed Oct 25 05:03  (06:50)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Wed Oct 25 04:31  (07:22)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 11:09 (1+00:44)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 10:59  (00:06)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 09:52  (01:01)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 09:50  (01:03)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 09:49  (01:05)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 09:37  (01:17)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 09:05  (01:49)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 08:53  (02:00)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 08:51  (02:03)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 07:28  (03:26)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 07:26  (03:27)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 07:24  (03:29)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 07:01  (03:52)
> reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 06:18  (04:36)
> 
> I'm a bit stumped on how to solve this and would appreciate any thoughts 
> on strategy.

"Tucked away in the loft", you say.  Is dust building up somewhere 
along your power supply line?  In a multiple-socket extension, 
perhaps.  A long shot, but I once had this problem.  I think the 
dust caused momentary short circuits, not long enough to blow a fuse 
but long enough to cut the power to the computer, while the dust 
burnt away - but I'm no electrician.

Cheers,
David

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Re: flashplugin-nonfree: Flash Player 9 beta

2006-10-31 Thread Marc Shapiro

Marc Shapiro wrote:


Jochen Schulz wrote:


Marc Shapiro:
 

What is the likelihood that this will actually make it into Etch 
before the December release?
  



What is the likelyhood of etch being released in December? :->

Seriously, I hate to say it, but 
http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/

doesn't look very convincing that the schedule can be met.

J.
 

But, once it does get into Sid, or whatever testing will be, then it 
is almost certain to get backported so that those of us that prefer a 
'stable' machine can get to all the sites that want 'the most current 
version of Flash' which seems to include sites like nickjr.com and 
noggin.com.  Both of these worked until recently, but now I am having 
problems with them, and my daughter (almost 6 years old) really likes 
the games.


Ooops!  I missed that you were suggesting that Etch would not make the 
December release, and were not referring to Flash Player 9.  Well, if 
Etch takes a little longer then that leaves more4 time for Flash Player 
9 to make it in.  And if not, then there is always backports.


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Re: flashplugin-nonfree: Flash Player 9 beta

2006-10-31 Thread Marc Shapiro

Jochen Schulz wrote:


Marc Shapiro:
 

What is the likelihood that this will actually make it into Etch before 
the December release?
   



What is the likelyhood of etch being released in December? :->

Seriously, I hate to say it, but http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
doesn't look very convincing that the schedule can be met.

J.
 

But, once it does get into Sid, or whatever testing will be, then it is 
almost certain to get backported so that those of us that prefer a 
'stable' machine can get to all the sites that want 'the most current 
version of Flash' which seems to include sites like nickjr.com and 
noggin.com.  Both of these worked until recently, but now I am having 
problems with them, and my daughter (almost 6 years old) really likes 
the games.


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Re: rescue distro on 128 meg usb key?

2006-10-31 Thread Grok Mogger

Matt Price wrote:

hi,

my dad is bringing me an old toshiba tablet (don't have the model
number) that seems to be having serious trouble, possibly a disk
failure.  I will probably install a linux distro on it eventually, but
will have to figure out what makes the most sense for this kind of
machine (limited speed & memory, but pretty specialized needs, esp for
the touch screen).  For now though I just want to try and boot the
thing.  apparently the external usb hard drive my dad has for the
thing won't boot, and I don't have any on hand.  I currently have only
one usb key, which is 128 megs, and I was wondering if anyone knew of
a distro that would run off of a removable medium this small.

thanks as always for the help!

matt




I just recently tried out two different Live distros.  Damn 
Small Linux and Debian Etch Live.


DSL had a GUI Desktop, but if you're comfortable with the 
command prompt, I'd recommend Debian Etch Live instead.  I can't 
recall exactly what problems I had with DSL at the moment, but I 
had more luck with Etch Live.  DSL was running a 2.4 kernel for 
one thing, while Etch Live was running a nice, shiney 
2.6.something.  =)


I was running it off a CD, but I *think* the entire thing was 
only about 80~90 MB, so it should fit on that USB thumb drive of 
yours.

Here's the address for the Debian Live Project:
http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/

Hope that helps,
- GM


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Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Marc Shapiro

Mark Grieveson wrote:

* * *  but instead are given the following lecture:  "mount: i could 
not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified".  The 
answer, of course, is,

"it's a floppy, you stupid machine.
Mark
"

Change file type of "/dev/fd0" line in /etc/fstab from "auto" to "vfat"
I had the same problem and it worked.
("worked" - more less. About half of floppies I had was reported as 
faulty, but it's another story) 



Thanks, that seems to help.  Perhaps having it on "auto" sets up a 
Catch-22, wherein a floppy that needs to be formatted cannot be due to 
the requirement of the program having to determine the file system 
first (which requires that it be formatted).  Or maybe not.  Anyway, 
I've had better luck with floppies after making your suggested change; 
so, thanks again.


It seems to be helping here too, for mounting my old floppies, but it 
still does not want to format them.  This may be due to old/faulty 
floppies, though.  I have not actually used a floppy in quite a while 
and these floppies are ones that I acquired when my father passed away 
almost eight years ago.  The disks are all older than that, possibly 
more than ten years old.  If I come across a new floppy I might give it 
a try, but I can't see going out and buying some when I don't have any 
actual use for them at this time.


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Re: Epiphany a memory hog

2006-10-31 Thread Gnu_Raiz
"Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I've been running Epiphany-browser on Fluxbox on my minimal 128MB PIII
>system for 6 days non-stop. Virtual memory usage now stands at 220MB
>according to top.

It seems that most Mozilla based browsers like Epiphany, Firefox use lots of 
memory.  You might want to see the other threads in this list see what 
SeaMonkey can do for you.

Also you might want to see what xorg is eating up, on low memory machines like 
that restarting xorg, once a week might be a good thing. Also tweaking your 
browsers cache, and history file might be a good suggestion as well.

Gnu_Raiz


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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-31 Thread Gnu_Raiz

>From: Ken Irving <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>and these in /etc/mailcap:
>application/msword; wvMime '%s'; description=Microsoft Word Document; 
>test=test -n "$DISPLAY"
>application/msword; wvText '%s' /dev/stdout; description=Microsoft Word 
>Document; copiousoutput
>application/msword; wordview '%s'; description="MS Word Text"; 
>test=test "$DISPLAY"
 >application/msword; catdoc '%s'; copiousoutput; description="MS Word Text";

>I have no idea which of the three "MS Word Text" translators will be
>chosen, though surely that's obvious to a "well trained user". ;-)

>Ken

That's funny, I am surprised that someone hasn't posted the Gnu RMS anti word 
FAQ!

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

I have to agree it might get tiresome to explain to someone to use save-as txt 
option.  I got a call the other day from a user that wanted to know what to 
do about his c partition he was unable to save more files to that partition 
because it was full. I told him to use his uber E drive. When I set up his 
windows I told him that C was only for windows files. Then I had to explain 
it once again why it was a good idea to do something like that. I am just 
waiting for a call to reinstall the disk image, then he will thank me later.

I kind of see this as the same type of thing as top posting, no matter how 
many times you tell them, or post links to why its bad they still do it. 
After about five e-mail returns they complain that my e-mails are hard to 
read and want to start another subject.  So they start another subject, and I 
fill in the other e-mail Yeah I know it's mean. I also tell them they can 
trim my e-mails, but do they nope! Then if it's really important and I bottom 
post sometimes they don't even bother to read it, because they think it's a 
duplicate. 

So yes I think that a user aptitude test would be useful, to teach the basics 
of computer literacy.

Gnu_Raiz


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Re: flavours of LaTeX

2006-10-31 Thread Stefan Schwarzer
> I've two Debian boxes. One one (sarge) it appears that `latex` is really
> `e-TeX` whereas on the other (unstable) it appears that `latex` is
> really `pdfeTex`. It must have been like this for a while and I've not

> appears that 'e_TeX' will read in .eps files but 'pdfeTex' won't..
 
> tell me if it's brief!) about (a) how these happen to have been set up
> differently, (b) how to change one so that both are the same. 

In my case (more or less etch, tetex 3.0-21), latex points to pdfetex as well.
As I  understand, the mechanism is more or less the following. There is 
a generic 'tex' program which will load different 'formats' or 'flavors' of 
tex (latex, pdftex, plain tex, ...), basically corresponding to some set of 
compiled macros which with the help of the generic 'tex' program are able 
to produce device independent intermediate 
output - dvi in the old days, dvi or pdf nowadays. The 'format' is derived 
from the name that the generic 'tex' program has been invoked with. 
The generic 'tex' program seems to be called pdfetex nowadays.

When 'latex'ing a file, the latex-format loads additional 
style/class/macro definition files according to
rules laid out in (/etc/texmf/)texmf.cnf. The tetex-suite depends on 
the kpse... commands to interprete this file. kpsewhich can be used to 
check whether and where a particular style/class file will be found or not. 

.eps input is processed by one of the style files, typically graphicx.sty 
or epsfig.sty for figures. Knowledge about .eps input is transfered to the 
device independent file using a \special macro. The dvi-output of 
that macro is left for interpretation to the programs that actually produce 
output or that convert into printable formats (dvips, xdvi, ...). When 
invoking pdflatex, .eps input may not appear in the pdf-output file (at least 
this was the situation about 2 years ago). For these 'tex flavors' it 
was necessary to provide the pictures themselves in pdf format. 

I'll stop babbling now - hope that helps in diagnosing the situation 


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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-31 Thread José Alburquerque

Andrei Popescu wrote:


* ftp [ none I use sftp ]
 



I think simply 'none' is more accurate, though gftp looks very
promising (for sftp) - thanks to Jose Alburquerque for the tip
 



Happy to be useful. :-)

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Re: GPL Parental Controls

2006-10-31 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 09:32:46PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> My daughter has begun to do the google. I will not always be able to sit with 
> her and she will figure out how to get into it herself.
> What is there around for keeping kids off the smut, for konqueror or opera?
Hi David,
there are different types of limitations. Did you want to:
limit what she can execute on the computer?
access rights
limit what files she can access on the computer?
access rights
limit what the browser can access?
- dansguardian
limit what hour of the day she can use the computer?
auto logoff
- pam and login things
limit what hour of the day she can use the internet?
- iptables
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Re: top(1) and the meaning of columns

2006-10-31 Thread Miles Bader
Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm not discounting the RES/SHR columns because they are indeed
> interesting, but not entirely useful and as someone pointed out .. a bit
> cryptic. 

RES (aka RSS) is actually extremely important:  if the sum of all
programs' RSS exceeds your RAM size, your system will thrash, and
thrashing is not good.

By contrast, as long as you have swap space available it's generally not
a problem (and in fact rather common) for the sum of all VIRT (- SHARE)
to exceed RAM size.

Once the sum of all VIRT - SHARE (more or less) exceeds RAM + swap size,
of course, then the kernel starts to kill programs.  Usually this
happens only after your system began to thrash a long time ago, so in
many cases you have a chance to manually kill something before you reach
that point.

[Strictly speaking, RSS is only an estimate of a somewhat nebulous
concept, but that's the general idea.]

-Miles

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Re: help

2006-10-31 Thread Andrei Popescu
"Keith James Dillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i would like to know where u found a cm8738 sound card

I found mine in a computer shop :)

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Re: GPL Parental Controls

2006-10-31 Thread Paul Cager

David Baron wrote:

On Tuesday 31 October 2006 21:38, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 10/31/06 13:32, David Baron wrote:

My daughter has begun to do the google. I will not always be able
to sit with her and she will figure out how to get into it
herself. What is there around for keeping kids off the smut, for
konqueror or opera?

You'll have to set up a proxy computer that runs dansguardian or a
similar filter.


I only have one system here. Maybe the proxy could be a virtual machine. 
Question is how much this would complicate/bog down the works.





You should not need a separate machine to run DansGuardian (and e.g. 
tinyproxy). They'll run on the "main" machine and you would simply need 
to point your browser to the "localhost" proxy.


Of course there is nothing to stop your daughter reconfiguring the 
browser to bypass DansGuardian, but I'm assuming this isn't likely 
(yet!).  To fix that you _would_ need a separate proxy machine.



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Re: Window managers-which one?

2006-10-31 Thread Marc Shapiro

Douglas Tutty wrote:


On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 03:40:48PM +, Clive Menzies wrote:
 


On (31/10/06 14:51), B. Hoffmann wrote:
   


I' ve been installing purely a base sytem this time as opposed to before
always going with the default install with Gnome.
 

> 
 


Also for example icewm and fvwm seem to be both window managers and
DE's?

 


Since getting into Debian I've progressed down the scale (of bloat) from
KDE to Xfce to Enlightenment to Fluxbox.  I'm very happy now but guess I
may get bored and try something else but fluxbox is lean mean but pretty
functional.
   



I like basic functionality, configurability, without bloat; I have been
running a 486 for years...

I use icewm.  It does everything I want without the struggle of adding
features to a less featurful wm and is low on resource usage.  It must
be fast because it doesn't get in the way on the 486.
 

I have been using fvwm since I started with linux and Debian about 8 
years ago.  That was on a 486/33MHz with 12MB of memory.  I installed 
Debian on a 128MB removable disk.  I have used KDE on a few occaisions, 
but I generally prefer a clear, uncluttered screen.  I also don't care 
for all of the extra processes that get started by KDE apps, even when 
you are not running KDE. 


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Re: weird sendmail problem

2006-10-31 Thread Miles Fidelman

Steve Kemp wrote:

On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 03:30:23PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:

  
Note that I did leave /etc/mail in place, but I ran apt-get remove 
sendmail, removed the init files, and so forth.  Apparantly I missed 
something.



  You should run "dpkg --purge sendmail" to remove all traces of the
 package.  Providing you have installed an alternate mailer such as
 postfix, nullmailer, or exim/exim4.

  (Debian insists that *some* mailer is installed, so that cron mails
 etc work.)

  

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Re: nvidia problems (Sid dist-upgrade)

2006-10-31 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 21:24:37 +0100, Benjamí Villoslada wrote:
> El Dilluns 30 Octubre 2006 22:32, Florian Kulzer va escriure:
> > One way would be to shut down X and remove the old nvidia-glx package
> > before upgrading the nvidia-kernel-source package. After you
> > auto-install the nvidia kernel module with module-assistant you can
> > install the new nvidia-glx package and restart X.
> 
> Thanks! Works because with this method aptitude doesn't install 
> linux-image-2.6.18-1-486 that I don't need.
> 
> I've installed nvidia-kernel-source, then
> 
> # m-a update
> # m-a prepare
> # m-a auto-install nvidia
> and
> # aptitude install nvidia-glx
> 
> After this I have:
> 
> nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-1
> nvidia-kernel-2.6.16.18-smp-bitassa 1.0.8776-1+20060528.01
> nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1 files
> nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.8776-1
> 
> I've stopped xorg, but kdm doesn't starts :(
> 
> Xorg.0.log tail:
> 
> -
> (II) Setting vga for screen 0.
> (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
> (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888
> (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
> (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
> (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure
> (EE) NVIDIA(0): that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and
> (EE) NVIDIA(0): that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly.
> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Please consult the NVIDIA README for details.
> (EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
> (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
> (II) UnloadModule: "ramdac"
> (II) UnloadModule: "fb"
> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
> 
> Fatal server error:
> no screens found

[ snip: returning to the nvidia 1.0.8774 packages makes X work again ]

There seems to be a problem with the 8776 nvidia kernel module. The
first thing to check is if "modprobe nvidia" gives you any error
messages for the new module. Furthermore, it is important that the
necessary device nodes are created when the module is loaded:

$ ls -l /dev/{nvidia,fb,agp}*
crw-rw 1 root video  10, 175 2006-10-30 10:04 /dev/agpgart
crw-rw 1 root video  29,   0 2006-10-30 10:04 /dev/fb0
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root  195,   0 2006-10-30 09:07 /dev/nvidia0
crw-rw-rw- 1 root root  195, 255 2006-10-30 09:07 /dev/nvidiactl

Also make sure that the right version of the nvidia X driver was loaded
by looking for lines like these in the Xorg log:

(II) NVIDIA X Driver  1.0-8776  Mon Oct 16 21:58:46 PDT 2006
(II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs
(--) Chipset NVIDIA GPU found

Finally, it might help to reboot after installing the new packages if
the problem is due to conflicts in the assignment of interrupts.

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Re: document processing

2006-10-31 Thread Nyizsnyik Ferenc
On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 21:21 -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> [...]
>   Can't make html
> [...]

Bluefish is just perfect for that. It has syntax highlighting, and
one-click "view in browser" capability. I recommend it for any other
programming or markup also, like C, Pascal, m (Matlab file), php, perl,
sql and several others. 
(People say Quanta is also good, but I don't have much experience with
KDE stuff.)

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Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Marc Shapiro

Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:


But the best advice is just avoid floppy disks if you
possibly can.  Fry's has a 1 GB USB flash drive for US$15
after the rebate.  That's 700 floppies' worth and it fits
on your keyring.  They had a 128 MB drive for three bucks.
Floppies are obsolete.
 

I saw one Fry's ad for either a 128MB, or 256MB (I can't remember which) 
USB flash drive that was free, after rebate.


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Re: how can i add delta (as x _1- x_2) in OO?

2006-10-31 Thread Nyizsnyik Ferenc
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 09:09 +0200, Jabka Atu wrote:
> hello ...
> 
> how can i add delta sign in formulas when i use math ?
> for exmample :
> Delta X = X_1 - X_2
> 
%DELTA

This works with every greek letter. (%letter for the small one, and 
%LETTER for the capital.)

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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-31 Thread Nyizsnyik Ferenc
On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 11:11 -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:40:55PM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote:
> > > >> However, to just read properly .doc files that people email me thinking
> > > >> that its the only format around, what works?  I need not just the text
> > > >> but collumns, tables, images, the works.
> > 
> > Who sends you doc files? Ask for
> > ogg, mpeg2 or xxx files.
> 
> People who think operating a computer is using MS office. Period.
> 
> They get a glazed look when I ask for plain text even if the .doc files
> they send are only straight text.  Since I've never used a windows
> computer (started with OS/2 and went to Debian directly), I don't know
> what extra work there is for them, but I understand that the windows
> recipients have to do extra work if its not a .doc file.  The sender
> tells me its more work to send .doc to everyone else and something else
> to me.
> 
You can always send them PDFs as a revenge...
(and to make them recognize that there are several other formats out
there.)
:)

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Re: GPL Parental Controls

2006-10-31 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 10:16:28PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> On Tuesday 31 October 2006 21:38, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 10/31/06 13:32, David Baron wrote:
> > > My daughter has begun to do the google. I will not always be able
> > > to sit with her and she will figure out how to get into it
> > > herself. What is there around for keeping kids off the smut, for
> > > konqueror or opera?
> >
> > You'll have to set up a proxy computer that runs dansguardian or a
> > similar filter.
> 
> I only have one system here. Maybe the proxy could be a virtual machine. 
> Question is how much this would complicate/bog down the works.
> 
 
Just my personal optinion and feel free to ignore it.  We don't know how
old your daughter is.  Presumably she has other avenues of accessing the
internet than at home (school, library, friends' house, etc).  She's
your daughter; she will only get into the smut either by accident or
because she's curious.  

I would suggest you teach her how to avoid getting into it by accident
and address the curiosity as a parenting issue.

Please, I'm not trying to start a flame war.  If you've decided that you
need parenting controlls, carry on.  I just wanted to offer some
perspective.  (Its what happens when one is both an engineer and a
nurse.)

As far as bogging down the system, it depends on how powerful your
system is.  I don't know how to have a proxy server on a system from
which you want to prevent direct web access.  Someone here will.

Good luck.

Doug.


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Re: weird sendmail problem

2006-10-31 Thread Steve Kemp
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 03:30:23PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:

> Note that I did leave /etc/mail in place, but I ran apt-get remove 
> sendmail, removed the init files, and so forth.  Apparantly I missed 
> something.

  You should run "dpkg --purge sendmail" to remove all traces of the
 package.  Providing you have installed an alternate mailer such as
 postfix, nullmailer, or exim/exim4.

  (Debian insists that *some* mailer is installed, so that cron mails
 etc work.)

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flavours of LaTeX

2006-10-31 Thread michael
Sorry to ask what must be a common question, but I can't find the
answer!

I've two Debian boxes. One one (sarge) it appears that `latex` is really
`e-TeX` whereas on the other (unstable) it appears that `latex` is
really `pdfeTex`. It must have been like this for a while and I've not
had any problems (or at least not noticed them!) shifting files between
the two until recently. Now I have to use another's .sty file and it
appears that 'e_TeX' will read in .eps files but 'pdfeTex' won't..

Could somebody please point me in the direction of documentation (or
tell me if it's brief!) about (a) how these happen to have been set up
differently, (b) how to change one so that both are the same. 

Thanks, Michael


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Re: argh! linux and floppies

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Grieveson
* * *  but instead are given the following lecture:  "mount: i could 
not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified".  The 
answer, of course, is,

"it's a floppy, you stupid machine.
Mark
"

Change file type of "/dev/fd0" line in /etc/fstab from "auto" to "vfat"
I had the same problem and it worked.
("worked" - more less. About half of floppies I had was reported as 
faulty, but it's another story) 


Thanks, that seems to help.  Perhaps having it on "auto" sets up a 
Catch-22, wherein a floppy that needs to be formatted cannot be due to 
the requirement of the program having to determine the file system first 
(which requires that it be formatted).  Or maybe not.  Anyway, I've had 
better luck with floppies after making your suggested change; so, thanks 
again.


Mark


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Re: upgraded my debian testing system and now have font problems

2006-10-31 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 10:41:51 -0800, tom arnall wrote:
> On Monday 30 October 2006 13:16, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 09:27:24 -0800, tom arnall wrote:
> > > I upgraded my system recently and now have font problems. For example, if
> > > I run gaim as non-root, it takes a password and then disappears, leaving:
> > >
> > >   gaim: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0:
> > >   undefined symbol: cairo_scaled_font_get_f
> > >
> > > In /usr/lib I find:
> > >
> > >   lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root29 2006-10-28 10:57 libpangocairo-1.0.so -> \
> > >   libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
> > >   lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root29 2006-10-28 10:57 libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 ->
> > > \ libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
> > >   -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29256 2006-10-13 11:30 \
> > >   libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
> > >
> > > I ran pango-querymodules, and this helped some of the font problems in
> > > other programs. I tried reinstalling libpango1.0-0. But no change with
> > > gaim run as non-root. When I run gaim as root, it's fine, and there is no
> > > error message.
> >
> > Did you already try to create a new user and check if this new user can
> > run gaim? There might be a problem with the gaim configuration data in
> > your regular user's $HOME.
> 
> i set up a new acc't and got the following trying to run gaim:
> 
>Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
>Xlib: No protocol specified
>(gaim:7377): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_get_name: assertion \
>   `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed
>** (gaim:7377): WARNING **: cannot open display: unset
> 
> 
> the appl' never started.

Did you start X as the new user before you tried this? The first Xlib
error suggests that your user (at that moment) did not have
authorization to access the X display. This would be a completely
different thing than your previous problem. (I am not sure about the
significance of the "No protocol specified" message, though.)

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help

2006-10-31 Thread Keith James Dillard
i would like to know where u found a cm8738 sound card



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Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Jochen Schulz
[Disclaimer: writing this mail took some time and I frequently jumped
 from topic to topic. Please excuse me if it doesn't appear to be very
 coherent.]

anthony:
>
> So, happy as I am that you guys found an excuse to chat about your
> respective girlfriends here, I think mine would prefer I talked to her
> a bit rather than staring at a screen uttering expletives,

I recognize you are frustrated and I am trying not to be rude, but
please understand a few things (which I suspect you got wrong, but maybe
the error is on my side. Additionally, I am not a native English
speaker, so don't mince my words):

- You do not own this thread. People are welcome to change the topic
  whenever they want. (Provided it is partly on-topic or at least
  doesn't annoy too many other people. Changing the subject would still
  be nice, though.)

- You do not have a right to have your questions answered. If you have a
  problem, many people are eager to help you. But consider that helping
  you costs *our* time as well (which we could use to talk to our
  girlfriends/wives).

Actually, I started to contribute two (on-topic) mails to this thread
that never hit the list, because I didn't finish them. The reason? I had
the impression that it is really hard to get the necessary information
from you. Your problem description was not very helpful and you didn't
send the information I explicitly asked for (~/.xsession-errors).
Additionally, I felt that you take no interest in understanding your
problem, you only waited for a magic command to fix your problem (like
that 'chmod -R 755' thing, which you really shouldn't have done -- see
below). This may not be true, but it was my impression and trying to
help you was too frustrating to do it in my spare time.

I know you are a newbie and as I said, many people are willing to help
you (myself included, or else I wouldn't have written this lengthy
mail). But you have to make it easier for us to help you. A few tips to
achieve this (not everything is applicable to your problem, only what I
have in mind as being helpful):

- If your problem applies to a specific piece of software, read its
  documentation (manpages and /usr/share/doc/$packagename). If you can,
  search the web for other documentation. Some programs do not contain
  their documentation in the same package as the program itself. In
  these cases there is very often another package with a name like
  $program-doc which you can install.

- Give a short introduction to your problem. That way people can quickly
  tell whether they may be able to help. If you took a look in the
  documentation but found your question/problem not to be covered,
  mention it.

- Describe exactly what you did or, if you didn't do anything specific,
  other circumstances you think might play a role.

- Describe what effect of your action (or non-action) you expected and
  what actually happened. Do *not* paraphrase error messages, but cite
  them exactly. (Exceptions are kernel oopses or panics, which cannot
  always easily be saved, at least not completely.)

- Search the internet for your error messages, if you have any. It is
  very seldom to be the first one to encounter a specific problem. If
  you find a solution but get stuck at some point, tell the list about
  this. That way, we have a good way of finding out how far you got
  *and* we find out that you do not expect us to solve your problems
  without trying yourself.

- (Minor) Do *not* assume you already know the reason for the problem if
  you are not absolutely sure. Tell us, *what* you want to achieve, not
  *how* (or at least, tell both).

- When following up on replies to your posting, try to give the
  information that has been asked for. If you do not know how to do
  that, ask.

- If a step-by-step solution is proposed (run commands x, y and then z),
  read the corresponding documentation so you understand what you are
  doing. If it is absolutely incomprehensible and not easily deciphered
  by reading manpages, ask what each command does.

- When asked to read some documentation, read it. If you do not
  understand all of it, try to ask a question as specific as possible.
  Sometimes, documentation is not at all helpful to a newbie. That's
  normal. So if you cannot ask a specific question, try to find other
  documentation on the topic which is more newbie-friendly. If you don't
  find anything, ask whether someone can explain it in different words.

This should of course not be taken strictly as a checklist, but it may
help to get useful answers and narrow down the source of a problem. When
trying to describe a problem throughly and with all the necessary
information, I sometimes even managed to solve it by myself because
writing a good call for help forced me to ask myself the right
questions.

> so I took
> the easy route, made another user, transferred the settings and files
> over from /home/anthony . Now I can startx and even check my mail!

Nice to hear.

> I'd like to kno

weird sendmail problem

2006-10-31 Thread Miles Fidelman

Hi Folks,

I'm running postfix on my box, but a while back I installed then 
uninstalled sendmail.


Something seems to have been left behind in an obscure location.  When I 
reboot the machine, something creates a cron job (/etc/cron.d/sendmail).


Whatever is doing this leaves the following in the boot log:

Tue Oct 31 15:01:09 2006: Configuring network interfaces...Updating 
sendmail.cf

...
Tue Oct 31 15:01:10 2006: *** ERROR: FEATURE() should be before MAILER()
Tue Oct 31 15:01:10 2006: *** MAILER(`local') must appear after 
FEATURE(`always_

add_domain')*** ERROR: FEATURE() should be before MAILER()
Tue Oct 31 15:01:10 2006: *** MAILER(`local') must appear after 
FEATURE(`allmasq

uerade')*** ERROR: FEATURE() should be before MAILER()
Tue Oct 31 15:01:10 2006: Creating /etc/mail/relay-domains
Tue Oct 31 15:01:10 2006: # Optional file...
Tue Oct 31 15:01:10 2006: Updating crontab ...
Tue Oct 31 15:01:10 2006: Reading configuration from 
/etc/mail/sendmail.conf.

Tue Oct 31 15:01:10 2006: Validating configuration.
Tue Oct 31 15:01:10 2006: Writing configuration to /etc/mail/sendmail.conf.
Tue Oct 31 15:01:10 2006: Writing /etc/cron.d/sendmail.
Tue Oct 31 15:01:10 2006: Updating ALIAS_FILE ...
Tue Oct 31 15:01:11 2006: A forced reload...
Tue Oct 31 15:01:11 2006: ** ** You should issue `/etc/init.d/sendmail 
reload` 

Tue Oct 31 15:01:11 2006: sendmail: invalid option -- O
Tue Oct 31 15:01:11 2006: sendmail: fatal: usage: sendmail [options]

Note that I did leave /etc/mail in place, but I ran apt-get remove 
sendmail, removed the init files, and so forth.  Apparantly I missed 
something.


Suggestions?

Thanks much,

Miles


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Re: GPL Parental Controls

2006-10-31 Thread Micha Feigin
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:32:46 +0200
David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My daughter has begun to do the google. I will not always be able to sit with 
> her and she will figure out how to get into it herself.
> What is there around for keeping kids off the smut, for konqueror or opera?
> 
> 


She'll learn to get around it if she wants to but near the search bar in google
there is a prefrences link where you can set google filtering level. Doesn't
stop her from going into bad sites but filters out some of the bad results.

Note though that the settings get reset if you delete the cookies.


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Re: nvidia problems (Sid dist-upgrade)

2006-10-31 Thread Benjamí Villoslada
El Dilluns 30 Octubre 2006 22:32, Florian Kulzer va escriure:
> One way would be to shut down X and remove the old nvidia-glx package
> before upgrading the nvidia-kernel-source package. After you
> auto-install the nvidia kernel module with module-assistant you can
> install the new nvidia-glx package and restart X.

Thanks! Works because with this method aptitude doesn't install 
linux-image-2.6.18-1-486 that I don't need.

I've installed nvidia-kernel-source, then

# m-a update
# m-a prepare
# m-a auto-install nvidia
and
# aptitude install nvidia-glx

After this I have:

nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-1
nvidia-kernel-2.6.16.18-smp-bitassa 1.0.8776-1+20060528.01
nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1 files
nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.8776-1

I've stopped xorg, but kdm doesn't starts :(

Xorg.0.log tail:

-
(II) Setting vga for screen 0.
(**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
(==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888
(==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
(==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
(**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure
(EE) NVIDIA(0): that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and
(EE) NVIDIA(0): that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly.
(EE) NVIDIA(0): Please consult the NVIDIA README for details.
(EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
(II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
(II) UnloadModule: "ramdac"
(II) UnloadModule: "fb"
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.

Fatal server error:
no screens found
-

With snapshot.debian.org I've returned to 1.0.8774-6 and now works fine:

nvidia-glx1.0.8774-6
nvidia-kernel-2.6.16.18-smp-bitassa1.0.8774-6+20060528.01
nvidia-kernel-common20051028+1
nvidia-kernel-source1.0.8774-6

$ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/cards/0
Model:   GeForce 7300 LE
IRQ: 169
Video BIOS:  05.72.22.41.31
Card Type:   PCI-E
DMA Size:39 bits
DMA Mask:0x7f

$ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module  1.0-8774  Tue Aug  1 20:54:08 
PDT 2006
GCC version:  gcc version 4.0.4 20060904 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-7)


Regards,


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Re: python-scipy weirdness

2006-10-31 Thread Olafur Jens Sigurdsson
Þann 2006-10-31, 16:20:47 (+0900) skrifaði Lubos Vrbka:
> hi guys,
> 
> when trying to install python-scipy and some other things on my 
> up-to-date etch box, i encounter the following:
> 
> python-scipy-core recommends python-scipy
> --\ The following actions will resolve this dependency:
>-> Cancel the installation of python-scipy-core
>-> Keep python-scipy at version 0.5.1-3 (testing, now)
>-> Leave the dependency "python-scipy-core recommends python-scipy" 
> unresolved.
> 
> python-scipy conflicts with python-scipy-core
> --\ The following actions will resolve this dependency:
>-> Remove python-scipy [0.5.1-3 (testing, now)]
>-> Cancel the installation of python-scipy-core
> 
> so who's right? either python-scipy-core shouldn't recommend 
> python-scipy, or the conflict is set incorrectly.

Yes, that seems to be a problem when I look at the dependencies and
conflicts of python-scipy and python-scipy-core, but it allso says
that python-scipy provides python-scipy-core, do you really need
python-scipy-core? If not, try to install just python-scipy, see if
that gives you what you need and then file a bug report against
python-scipy-core about the issue.

HTH

Oli


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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-31 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 09:15:55PM +0100, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:

> I took Word Viewer 2003 from the MS site ("View, print and copy Word
> documents, even if you don't have Word installed") and tried to install
> it with the version of Wine that is available for Sarge.
> Error: "Newer version of Windows needed."

Last time I looked, WINE defaulted to claiming it was Windows 95.  You can
configure it to instead claim to be XP.
 
> Then I tried Word Viewer 97-2000, not available from MS any more, but it
> does exist in other places, for example:
> http://pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,6314-order,1-page,1-c,alldownloads/description.html
> Installed and ran it with Wine in Sarge.
> And, guess what: it runs great!  And very fast!

Great.  
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Re: GPL Parental Controls

2006-10-31 Thread David Baron
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 21:38, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 10/31/06 13:32, David Baron wrote:
> > My daughter has begun to do the google. I will not always be able
> > to sit with her and she will figure out how to get into it
> > herself. What is there around for keeping kids off the smut, for
> > konqueror or opera?
>
> You'll have to set up a proxy computer that runs dansguardian or a
> similar filter.

I only have one system here. Maybe the proxy could be a virtual machine. 
Question is how much this would complicate/bog down the works.


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Epiphany a memory hog

2006-10-31 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

Hi,
I've been running Epiphany-browser on Fluxbox on my minimal 128MB PIII
system for 6 days non-stop. Virtual memory usage now stands at 220MB
according to top. I don't have any extensions installed. Initial
start-up was about 100MB. Even that sounds excessive, and I wonder
where the problem is. Please don't recommend a browser that won't
allow me to use GMail at its full glory...


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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-31 Thread Ken Irving
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 12:13:02PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Douglas Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Oct 31 10:14 -0600]:
> > On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:40:55PM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote:
> > > > >> However, to just read properly .doc files that people email me 
> > > > >> thinking
> > > > >> that its the only format around, what works?  I need not just the 
> > > > >> text
> > > > >> but collumns, tables, images, the works.
> > > 
> > > Who sends you doc files? Ask for
> > > ogg, mpeg2 or xxx files.
> > 
> > People who think operating a computer is using MS office. Period.
> > 
> > They get a glazed look when I ask for plain text even if the .doc files
> > they send are only straight text.  Since I've never used a windows
> > computer (started with OS/2 and went to Debian directly), I don't know
> > what extra work there is for them, but I understand that the windows
> > recipients have to do extra work if its not a .doc file.  The sender
> > tells me its more work to send .doc to everyone else and something else
> > to me.
> 
> Obviously, this is a training problem, or a social problem and not a
> technical problem, if you will.  In the save dialog, there is a
> drop-down menu of file types.  Of course there is the warning dialog
> afterward that tells the user that saving in the selected format may
> cause a loss of formatting and other fancy document properties.  Many
> poorly trained users interpret this as a serious error and not as the
> simple bit of information that can be safely ignored that it is.  They
> have trained themselves to avoid these pop-up boxes at all costs.

I feel their pain, though, and myself get concerned when confronted with
such a choice.  Who's to say whether, after "saving as" a text format,
they'll be left editing a text document or the structured document they
think they're working on.  These application choices and behaviors vary,
and only rote memorization (training?) or study of man/help pages can
clarify what happens.  I've been nailed a few times using vi (or vim) when
I ":w somefile" and continue, only to find that I've subsequently been
writing to a different file than I ("poorly trained user") thought I was.

> While that seems trite to us here, for many it can be a very big deal
> and it's a mental threshold they refuse to cross.  I have the
> misfortune to support such users from time-to-time.

IMHO its not so much a user problem but an indicator of the immaturity of
the computer industry.  The folks that send me .doc, .xls, .html files
are doing their non computer-oriented and very busy jobs, and are doing
what their tools make easy to do.  Check back in 10 or 20 years to see
how things shake out.

The bottom line for me is to deal with it on reception.  I have mutt
set up to auto-convert Word files to text, and if that seems inadequate,
use OpenOffice (via X on another host) to have another go at it.

I see this entry in ~/.muttrc:

  auto_view application/msword

and these in /etc/mailcap:

  application/msword; wvMime '%s'; description=Microsoft Word Document; 
test=test -n "$DISPLAY"
  application/msword; wvText '%s' /dev/stdout; description=Microsoft Word 
Document; copiousoutput
  application/msword; wordview '%s'; description="MS Word Text"; test=test 
"$DISPLAY"
  application/msword; catdoc '%s'; copiousoutput; description="MS Word Text";

I have no idea which of the three "MS Word Text" translators will be
chosen, though surely that's obvious to a "well trained user". ;-)

Ken

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Re: rescue distro on 128 meg usb key?

2006-10-31 Thread celejar

On 10/31/06, Nicolas Pillot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

2006/10/31, Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I currently have only one usb key, which is 128 megs, and I was
> wondering if anyone knew of a distro that would run off of a removable
> medium this small.

Damn Small Linux (DSL) may do the trick
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/


See also Slax (http://www.slax.org/), particularly the Popcorn
edition, and grml (http://grml.org/ and
http://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=usb).

Celejar


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Re: GPL Parental Controls

2006-10-31 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 10/31/06 13:32, David Baron wrote:
> My daughter has begun to do the google. I will not always be able
> to sit with her and she will figure out how to get into it
> herself. What is there around for keeping kids off the smut, for
> konqueror or opera?

You'll have to set up a proxy computer that runs dansguardian or a
similar filter.

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However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
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Re: Window managers-which one?

2006-10-31 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 10/31/06 11:39, George Borisov wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> I personally use gdm, but I used wdm before (before getting too
>>> depressed about how ugly it is.)
>> Why waste RAM on something you have *no* need for and doesn't *do*
>> anything that the console does just as well?
> 
> Because I like shiny. Shiny == good. Anyway, I have the RAM to
> spare, so... SHINY!!!

Get off my lawn, you young whippersnappers!

> If it makes you feel better, the main reason I use a window
> manager is so that I can have lots of consoles open at the same
> time (what else would you use this GUI thing for?) ;-)

>> You will also need a display manager

"*Window* manager" != "*display* manager".

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GPL Parental Controls

2006-10-31 Thread David Baron
My daughter has begun to do the google. I will not always be able to sit with 
her and she will figure out how to get into it herself.
What is there around for keeping kids off the smut, for konqueror or opera?


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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-31 Thread Sjoerd Hiemstra
Douglas Tutty:
> to just read properly .doc files that people email me thinking that
> its the only format around, what works?  I need not just the text but
> collumns, tables, images, the works.

I took Word Viewer 2003 from the MS site ("View, print and copy Word
documents, even if you don't have Word installed") and tried to install
it with the version of Wine that is available for Sarge.
Error: "Newer version of Windows needed."

Then I tried Word Viewer 97-2000, not available from MS any more, but it
does exist in other places, for example:
http://pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,6314-order,1-page,1-c,alldownloads/description.html
Installed and ran it with Wine in Sarge.
And, guess what: it runs great!  And very fast!

SH


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Re: rescue distro on 128 meg usb key?

2006-10-31 Thread Nicolas Pillot

2006/10/31, Matt Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I currently have only one usb key, which is 128 megs, and I was
wondering if anyone knew of a distro that would run off of a removable
medium this small.


Damn Small Linux (DSL) may do the trick
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/


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Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Andrei Popescu
anthony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So, happy as I am that you guys found an excuse to chat about your
> respective girlfriends here, I think mine would prefer I talked to her
> a bit rather than staring at a screen uttering expletives, so I took
> the easy route, made another user, transferred the settings and files
> over from /home/anthony . Now I can startx and even check my mail!
> However,
> 
> I'd like to know what exactly happened and perhaps to get my user
> (anthony) and my settings back iat some point so, what should the
> permissions be for all the settings (invisible) files in my home
> directory /anthony/home ? Are they each different?

Many seem to be

-rw-r--r-- (644)

but there are exceptions

-rw--- (600) .dmrc

I would suggest you set all to 644 and then try each program to see if
it works. If it doesn't then start digging through the man. For
example .mailfilter (for maildrop) has to be 600.

HTH,
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Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Kent West

Kent West wrote:

anthony wrote:

I'd like to know what exactly happened and perhaps to get my user
(anthony) and my settings back iat some point so, what should the
permissions be for all the settings (invisible) files in my home
directory /anthony/home ? Are they each different?


To get your user back, just backup the original /home/anthony directory, 
then "deluser anthony" followed by "adduser anthony". You'll probably 
also want to "addgroup anthony audio cdrom", etc to add the user 
"anthony" to the groups "audio", "cdrom", etc, as necessary to give that 
user sound capability, CD-mounting capability, etc.



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Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread Kent West

anthony wrote:

So, happy as I am that you guys found an excuse to chat about your
respective girlfriends here, I think mine would prefer I talked to her
a bit rather than staring at a screen uttering expletives, so I took
the easy route, made another user, transferred the settings and files
over from /home/anthony . Now I can startx and even check my mail!
However,

I'd like to know what exactly happened and perhaps to get my user
(anthony) and my settings back iat some point so, what should the
permissions be for all the settings (invisible) files in my home
directory /anthony/home ? Are they each different?


I probably missed it, but I never saw your output of "ls -lh /home" and 
"ls -lah /home/anthony", which might have helped clue along an answer.


I doubt anyone can tell you "what exactly happened" without knowing 
"what exactly happened leading up to the problem"; I suspect you'll just 
have to live with the mystery.


Yes, the settings for your files will each be different. For example:

# ls -lah /home/chyntt
total 304K
drwxrwsr-x 46 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-11-17 15:38 .
drwxrwsr-x  7 root   root   4.0K 2005-10-14 11:25 ..
drwx--S---  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-17 10:29 .AbiSuite
drwx--S---  2 root   chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-26 10:51 .aptitude
-rw---  1 chyntt chyntt 6.9K 2005-10-28 11:56 .bash_history
-rw-r--r--  1 chyntt chyntt  570 2005-07-19 15:36 .bash_profile
-rw-r--r--  1 chyntt chyntt 1.3K 2005-07-19 15:36 .bashrc
drwx--  4 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-27 10:00 Desktop
-rw---  1 chyntt chyntt   22 2005-10-18 14:01 .dmrc
drwxr-sr-x  7 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-18 14:44 .evolution
-rw-r--r--  1 root   chyntt0 2005-10-25 15:53 .fonts.cache-1
-rw-r--r--  1 chyntt chyntt  307 2005-10-14 13:56 .fonts.conf
drwxr-xr-x  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:37 .gaim
drwx--S---  4 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-27 10:00 .gconf
drwx--S---  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-27 10:01 .gconfd
drwxr-sr-x  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-18 14:00 .gnome
drwx--S---  9 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-20 17:22 .gnome2
drwx--  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 13:51 .gnome2_private
drwxr-xr-x  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:38 .gnucash
drwxr-xr-x  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:38 .gnupg
drwxr-xr-x  4 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:36 GNUstep
drwxr-sr-x  5 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-18 09:51 .gqview
drwxr-xr-x  5 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:35 .gramps
drwxr-sr-x  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-18 14:00 .gstreamer-0.8
-rw-r--r--  1 chyntt chyntt   88 2005-10-18 14:00 .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2
-rw---  1 chyntt chyntt0 2005-10-27 10:01 .ICEauthority
drwxr-xr-x  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:39 .icewm
drwxr-sr-x  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-24 16:11 .java
drwxr-xr-x  4 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:40 .jpilot
drwx--S---  4 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-26 10:44 .kde
drwx--S---  4 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 13:49 .kde.bak
-rw---  1 chyntt chyntt  451 2005-10-26 10:44 .kderc
-rw-r--r--  1 chyntt chyntt   57 2005-10-26 10:41 .lesshst
drwx--S---  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-27 10:00 .local
drwx--  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-05 08:58 Mail
drwxr-xr-x  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:40 .Mail
-rw-r--r--  1 chyntt chyntt 3.1K 2005-10-21 10:48 .mailcap
drwxr-xr-x  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-26 10:50 .mc
drwxr-sr-x  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 13:49 .mcop
-rw---  1 chyntt chyntt   31 2005-10-05 13:34 .mcoprc
drwx--S---  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-18 14:00 .metacity
drwx--S---  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-25 12:11 .mozilla
drwx--S---  4 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-20 13:08 .mozilla.25Oct2005
drwxr-sr-x  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 14:20 .mozilla-thunderbird
-rw---  1 chyntt chyntt 1.3K 2005-10-19 17:25 .mutt_certificates
drwxr-sr-x  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-18 14:00 .nautilus
drwxr-sr-x  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-19 11:35 .nedit
drwxr-sr-x  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-17 10:29 .openoffice
drwx--S---  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-25 16:24 .openoffice.org2
drwx--S---  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-26 09:40 .OracleCalendar
drwxr-sr-x  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-27 10:00 .qt
-rw---  1 chyntt chyntt  35K 2005-10-22 01:46 .realplayerrc
-rw---  1 chyntt chyntt 4.8K 2005-10-25 16:24 .recently-used
drwxr-xr-x  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:45 .secret
-rw-r--r--  1 chyntt chyntt   37 2005-10-21 11:14 .secretDONTread
drwx--  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:45 .ssh
-rw-r--r--  1 chyntt chyntt   71 2005-10-17 10:29 .sversionrc
drwxr-sr-x  5 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-17 09:36 .sword
drwx--S---  3 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-17 13:07 .thumbnails
-rw---  1 chyntt chyntt 5.0K 2005-10-21 11:32 .viminfo
drwxr-xr-x  4 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:50 .wine
-rw---  1 chyntt chyntt   49 2005-10-27 10:01 .Xauthority
drwxr-xr-x  2 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-27 10:01 .xine
-rw-r--r--  1 chyntt chyntt   17 2005-10-27 10:00 .xinitrc
drwxr-xr-x  4 chyntt chyntt 4.0K 2005-10-14 11:56 .xmms
-rw---  1 chyntt chyntt  235 2005-10-26 11:40 .xsession-errors
drwxr

Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-31 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

On 10/27/06, Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> --  * Window Managers [ fvwm2 ]


I will assume you mean fvwm, instead of the Potato dummy package...


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Re: What's your favourite FLOSS?

2006-10-31 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe

On 10/31/06, Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Here are a few corrections/addition to my list. This thread was really
good, I learned about some interesting software ;)

Tshepang Lekhonkhobe: sorry for the additional work


Thank you for amending your list, and clarifying things a bit. I'm
only glad of your interest. I was worried that votes aren't coming in
anymore...


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Re: Classic Gnubie accident

2006-10-31 Thread anthony

So, happy as I am that you guys found an excuse to chat about your
respective girlfriends here, I think mine would prefer I talked to her
a bit rather than staring at a screen uttering expletives, so I took
the easy route, made another user, transferred the settings and files
over from /home/anthony . Now I can startx and even check my mail!
However,

I'd like to know what exactly happened and perhaps to get my user
(anthony) and my settings back iat some point so, what should the
permissions be for all the settings (invisible) files in my home
directory /anthony/home ? Are they each different?

A

On 10/31/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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On 10/31/06 08:31, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Ron Johnson:
>> On 10/31/06 05:08, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>>> Ron Johnson:
 Certainly your GF can be similarly trained.
>>> Well, at least not by me. I still have a hard time teaching her about
>>> the concept of files and folders. :) And what I actually find more
>>> important is that she grasps GUI concepts she will need in her work
>>> life.
>> Get a new GF?
>
> I don't think that's a good idea. I'd rather have a GF who silently
> tolerates my geek behaviour than a GF who starts flamewars on vi vs.
> emacs and the like.

Those aren't the only two choices.  Many non-geeks understand
folders and can use serial terminals.

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whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
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Re: tremendous size for ".xsession-errors"

2006-10-31 Thread Kevin B. McCarty
Deephay wrote:

> I have a problem with my .xsession-errors file, this file will grow
> tremendous size each day (956 MB today, cleared yesterday, with a 4 GB
> size).
> The major source of errors comes from gnash (I am using the amd64 port
> which adobe flash player won't work), gnash is not matured yet and
> will produce lots of error messages with certain kind of flash movies
> which can be easily found on many websites, all of the messages are
> logged in the .xsession-errors (millions of lines!), mplayer and other
> applications produce some messages as well.
> So I want to know that is there a way to turn down the verbose level
> of the error log, or should I just add an entry in the crontab to
> clean it every ten minutes? TIA!

If you never care about any errors that appear in that file, maybe
making it a symlink to /dev/null would work?  I don't know a way to
reduce the verbosity offhand.

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Re: problems with CD-Writer (solved)

2006-10-31 Thread Joerg Schilling

>Since I have changed from Woody (2.4.27/32) to Sarge (2.6.8/16) I was
>not more able to burn CD's with the tools in Debian.  I have created
>a private Debian Package from Jörgs cdrtools and now it works like
>expected.  ONLY DVD-Burning (I have a LG) does not work currently...

What problems do you have?

I do not have a burner from LG (HLDST).

Jörg

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Re: WHERE NETSCAPE4

2006-10-31 Thread Stephen
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 11:55:19PM +0200 or thereabouts, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2006-10-11 07:05:23, schrieb Stephen:
> > > You can find ALL Mozilla/Netscape Browser on 
> > > WfW 3.11, Win32, Unices Linux...  All you need is there.
> > 
> > Understood Michelle -- However I was referring to *all* browsers, not
> > just Netscape brands.
> 
> But the Subject say:
> 
> Subject: Re: WHERE NETSCAPE4

Is Netscape not included in "all web browsers" ? I realize that English
isn't your first language, but aren't you being rather anal ?

Anyway, I gave a resource I knew to be good. I didn't happen to have the
Netscape URL handy. So, what's the problem Michelle ? I gave the poster
what they wanted (an URL to get an old browser, from a resource that
many professional web developers use).  

You really must be bored over there in Lebanon -- A dose of cabin fever
perhaps ? 

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Re: upgraded my debian testing system and now have font problems

2006-10-31 Thread tom arnall
On Monday 30 October 2006 13:16, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 09:27:24 -0800, tom arnall wrote:
> > I upgraded my system recently and now have font problems. For example, if
> > I run gaim as non-root, it takes a password and then disappears, leaving:
> >
> > gaim: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0:
> > undefined symbol: cairo_scaled_font_get_f
> >
> > In /usr/lib I find:
> >
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root29 2006-10-28 10:57 libpangocairo-1.0.so -> \
> > libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root29 2006-10-28 10:57 libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 ->
> > \ libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29256 2006-10-13 11:30 \
> > libpangocairo-1.0.so.0.1400.7
> >
> > I ran pango-querymodules, and this helped some of the font problems in
> > other programs. I tried reinstalling libpango1.0-0. But no change with
> > gaim run as non-root. When I run gaim as root, it's fine, and there is no
> > error message.
>
> Did you already try to create a new user and check if this new user can
> run gaim? There might be a problem with the gaim configuration data in
> your regular user's $HOME.

i set up a new acc't and got the following trying to run gaim:

   Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
   Xlib: No protocol specified
   (gaim:7377): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_get_name: assertion \
  `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed
   ** (gaim:7377): WARNING **: cannot open display: unset


the appl' never started.


tom



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Re: Window managers-which one?

2006-10-31 Thread Clive Menzies
On (31/10/06 13:19), Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 03:40:48PM +, Clive Menzies wrote:
> > Since getting into Debian I've progressed down the scale (of bloat) from
> > KDE to Xfce to Enlightenment to Fluxbox.  I'm very happy now but guess I
> > may get bored and try something else but fluxbox is lean mean but pretty
> > functional.
> 
> I went pretty much the same way, but then one day I thought fluxbox was
> kind of slow to draw menus etc... And I found openbox! It's fast, looks
> just like fluxbox, except that it doesn't have the extra fluff. :-)
> You may want to give it a try.

Not one I've tried... so yes I'll give it a whirl :)

Regards

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Re: installing java

2006-10-31 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Paul Dwerryhouse wrote:

On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 05:16:10PM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

How do you install java in Sid?


apt-get install sun-java5-plugin sun-java5-bin

apt-get install sun-java5-jdk # If you want the JDK

You'll need the non-free repository in your sources.list file.



I ended up doing apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin.

It also installed FF1.05, which I don't need because I have FF2.0 from 
their binary.


But Java works. Thanks.

H


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Re: Progrees meter in scp

2006-10-31 Thread João Schmutz
Sorry, it really is showing the total percentage in the end of the line.  62 100%  0.00kB/s    0:00:00  (1, 0.0% of 27084)    16384 100%  179.78kB/s    0:00:00  (12, 0.1% of 27084)    426 100%    
52.00kB/s    0:00:00  (42, 0.2% of 27084).    3126 100%    5.15kB/s    0:00:00  (293, 1.1% of 27084).-- AttDebian UserJoão SchmutzGeek by nature, linux by choice


Diagnosing occassional random reboots

2006-10-31 Thread Dougie Nisbet
A server which has been running steadily for years is beginning to 
reboot. To the best of my knowledge, nothing has changed. It is a 
dual-processor PIII. It runs stable.


It is tucked away in the loft and usually has no monitor attached so 
tracking this down is difficult. However even if I brought it into a 
more convenient area, short of sitting staring at the screen waiting for 
 a crash or reboot, I'm not sure it would help much.


I've tried rebuilding a newer kernel from backports.org. And trimmed it 
right down as much as possible. There is nothing useful in syslog. A 
typical series of reboots looks  like:


dougie   pts/0tbird2xp:0.0 Tue Oct 31 17:15   still logged in
runlevel (to lvl 2)   2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 17:12 - 17:21  (00:08)
reboot   system boot  2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 17:12  (00:08)
dougie   pts/0tbird2xp:0.0 Tue Oct 31 17:09 - crash  (00:02)
runlevel (to lvl 2)   2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 16:59 - 17:12  (00:12)
reboot   system boot  2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 16:59  (00:21)
dougie   pts/0tbird2xp:0.0 Tue Oct 31 16:05 - crash  (00:54)
runlevel (to lvl 2)   2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 15:16 - 16:59  (01:43)
reboot   system boot  2.6.17   Tue Oct 31 15:16  (02:04)
date new time  Sun Oct 29 07:11
date old time  Sun Oct 29 07:12
root pts/3kitchens Sun Oct 29 07:11 - crash (2+08:04)
dougie   pts/2kitchens Sat Oct 28 20:29 - crash (2+19:46)
dougie   pts/1kitchens Sat Oct 28 11:37 - 16:04 (1+05:27)
dougie   pts/0tbird2xp:0.0 Fri Oct 27 13:16 - crash (4+03:00)


And the syslog shows nothing notable around the time. Usuall just lines 
from postfix as it processes the mail queue, then:


Oct 31 17:12:22 nick syslogd 1.4.1#17: restart (remote reception).
Oct 31 17:12:22 nick kernel: klogd 1.4.1#17, log source = /proc/kmsg 
started.

Oct 31 17:12:23 nick kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.17
Oct 31 17:12:23 nick kernel: Loaded 21314 symbols from 
/boot/System.map-2.6.17.


I'm not sure how to go about tracking this down. My searching of the 
archives shows that these symptoms could describe a faulty physical 
component, such as memory or PSU. So my next step is probably going to 
be trying to swap the PSU and doing a memtest. One thing about the 
reboots is that they often appear to be in clusters. For example, around 
 7AM to 9AM on Oct 24 it looks like it was bouncing for about two hours 
off and on:


# last reboot
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Wed Oct 25 05:03  (06:50)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Wed Oct 25 04:31  (07:22)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 11:09 (1+00:44)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 10:59  (00:06)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 09:52  (01:01)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 09:50  (01:03)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 09:49  (01:05)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 09:37  (01:17)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 09:05  (01:49)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 08:53  (02:00)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 08:51  (02:03)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 07:28  (03:26)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 07:26  (03:27)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 07:24  (03:29)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 07:01  (03:52)
reboot   system boot  2.6.8Tue Oct 24 06:18  (04:36)

I'm a bit stumped on how to solve this and would appreciate any thoughts 
on strategy.


Dougie


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Re: reading MS word files

2006-10-31 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Douglas Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Oct 31 10:14 -0600]:
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:40:55PM +0100, Zoran Kolic wrote:
> > > >> However, to just read properly .doc files that people email me thinking
> > > >> that its the only format around, what works?  I need not just the text
> > > >> but collumns, tables, images, the works.
> > 
> > Who sends you doc files? Ask for
> > ogg, mpeg2 or xxx files.
> 
> People who think operating a computer is using MS office. Period.
> 
> They get a glazed look when I ask for plain text even if the .doc files
> they send are only straight text.  Since I've never used a windows
> computer (started with OS/2 and went to Debian directly), I don't know
> what extra work there is for them, but I understand that the windows
> recipients have to do extra work if its not a .doc file.  The sender
> tells me its more work to send .doc to everyone else and something else
> to me.

Obviously, this is a training problem, or a social problem and not a
technical problem, if you will.  In the save dialog, there is a
drop-down menu of file types.  Of course there is the warning dialog
afterward that tells the user that saving in the selected format may
cause a loss of formatting and other fancy document properties.  Many
poorly trained users interpret this as a serious error and not as the
simple bit of information that can be safely ignored that it is.  They
have trained themselves to avoid these pop-up boxes at all costs.

While that seems trite to us here, for many it can be a very big deal
and it's a mental threshold they refuse to cross.  I have the
misfortune to support such users from time-to-time.

- Nate >>

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Re: Window managers-which one?

2006-10-31 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 08:57:44AM -0800, Jason Dunsmore wrote:
> On 10/31/06, Jeronimo Pellegrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 03:40:48PM +, Clive Menzies wrote:
> >> Since getting into Debian I've progressed down the scale (of bloat) from
> >> KDE to Xfce to Enlightenment to Fluxbox.  I'm very happy now but guess I
> >> may get bored and try something else but fluxbox is lean mean but pretty
> >> functional.
> >
> >I went pretty much the same way, but then one day I thought fluxbox was
> >kind of slow to draw menus etc... And I found openbox! It's fast, looks
> >just like fluxbox, except that it doesn't have the extra fluff. :-)
> >You may want to give it a try.
> >
> 
> I was a long time fluxbox user, but I didn't really like the task bar.

Yes! Neither did I.
And my openbox doesn't show one (it's optional). :-)

> I'd rather use something like WindowMaker, which manages windows more
> like a Mac.  I used WindowMaker for a while, but it didn't work well
> with all programs.  I finally found Enlightenment (pun intended).
> It's very stable and has just enough fluff, in the form of user
> feedback, so that it has a more solid feel than Fluxbox.

I've found Enlightenment too bloated... But that's a matter of taste,
so... :-)

J.


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