Re: tool to resize partitions on cylinder boundaries?

[Mike McCarty]

Arthur Marsh wrote:

[snip]

I believe that Debian *should* provide a tool and documentation to 
easily resize partitions to satisfy the cylinder boundary requirements 
of fdisk/cfdisk, and proprietary programs such as Partition Magic.


What is there that you want to do that fdisk won't do? Yes, it
warns you, but that doesn't prevent it from running, AFAIK.

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tool to resize partitions on cylinder boundaries?

[Arthur Marsh]

I have a couple of 40 GB drives in a machine whose BIOS only supports 
hard disk drives up to 32 GiB. The motherboard (BIOStar M6TLC) 
manufacturer has confirmed that it is not possible to work around this 
limitation via a BIOS upgrade. Since installing Debian unstable in a 
dual boot arrangement with W98SE I have used the space between 32 GiB 
and 40 GB on each drive for a mirrored array.


However, cfdisk, fdisk and Partition Magic report problems with the 
first disk:


GNU parted reports:

# parted
GNU Parted 1.7.1
Using /dev/hda
Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.
(parted) unit chs
(parted) p

Disk /dev/hda: 9693,15,62
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
BIOS cylinder,head,sector geometry: 9693,128,63.  Each cylinder is 4129kB.
Partition Table: msdos

Number  Start End  Type  File system  Flags
 1  0,1,0 3556,6,62primary   fat32boot, lba
 2  3556,7,0  8162,127,62  extended   lba
 5  3557,0,0  6054,127,62  logical   ext3
 6  6055,1,0  6296,127,62  logical   linux-swap
 7  6297,1,0  8156,127,62  logical   fat32
 3  8192,0,0  9692,127,62  primary   ext3

(parted)

# fdisk /dev/hda

The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4865.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)

Command (m for help): p

Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *   1178514337981c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
/dev/hda21786409818575203+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/hda341134866 6052032   83  Linux
Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary.
/dev/hda51786304010071936   83  Linux
/dev/hda630403161  975712+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/hda731614095 7499488+   b  W95 FAT32

Command (m for help):

cfdisk /dev/hda

FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition ends in the final 
partial cylind

  Press any key to exit cfdisk

The irony is that I had actually resized the partitions on /dev/hda 
using GNU Parted but can't see how to adjust the partition sizes to 
satisfy fdisk/cfdisk/Partition Magic, even after doing a resize using 
CHS units to what is shown above. (The disk has free space either side 
of the /dev/hda2 partition).


I filed a Debian bug report (#402520) against parted about this problem, 
but wonder if anyone has a solution beyond backing up, wiping the disk 
and repartitioning?


I believe that Debian *should* provide a tool and documentation to 
easily resize partitions to satisfy the cylinder boundary requirements 
of fdisk/cfdisk, and proprietary programs such as Partition Magic.


Regards,

Arthur.


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Re: pkg-config lying about libglib2 version when compiling gtkglext. but correct .pc file is there

[Mitchell Laks]

On 20:25 Mon 11 Dec , mitchell phillip Laks wrote:

I solved the problem.

there was a bad .pc file in 
/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig

from a prior build of glib2.0 that was taking precedence 
over the debian
/usr/lib/pkgconfig directory version of the .pc file
and preventing the configure from working.

Once I removed that file, all worked fine.

apparently the debian build default priority for pkg-config
is 

from 

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pkg-config/2006-May/000108.html


 Tollef Fog Heen tfheen at err.no
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Olivier Boudeville skrev:

> it must be a fairly usual question, but I did not find the final word
> through the wiki or the mailing list archive.

Hi, sorry for the late response.  I've been busy.

> It seems that, for a reason I cannot explain, /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig
> is not always hardcoded in pkg-config search paths, even after having
> upgraded to newer versions (it is ok on Ubuntu [0.19] but not for Gentoo
> [0.20] apparently).

pkg-config doesn't hardcode any paths apart from the ones hardcoded by 
the --with-pc-path switch.  That defaults to 
$libdir/pkgconfig:$datadir/pkgconfig (which is usually 
/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/share/pkgconfig or the same, sans 
local).  

The Debian (and thereby the Ubuntu) packages hardcode it to 
/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig
/$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE):/usr/local/share/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pk
 gconfig/$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE):/usr/share/pkgconfig


I don't know what gentoo does, but if they pass --prefix=/usr (as I 
suspect they'll do), it'll default to /usr/share/pkgconfig and 
/usr/lib/pkgconfig.

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thanks

Mitchell Laks


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Re: KQemu on Debian Testing

[Amit Joshi]

On Monday 11 December 2006 22:43, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hello David.
>
> David Baron, 11.12.2006 15:21:
> >> On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 11:15:35PM +0530, Amit Joshi wrote:
> >>> I recently installed Qemu, and later found out from the documentation
> >>> that I need to install KQemu too..for that acceleration thingy.
> >
> > Did not know this was distributed on Debian. This is, of course, stated
> > as proprietary. Less than non-free if you read his conditions.
> >
> > What needs be in sources.list to see this?
>
> You need testing/non-free or unstable/non-free.
>
>
> Regards, Mathias

Now, I wanna install the new Qemu (from SID)..so is there any way that apt 
will only fetch stuff related to Qemu?

Like if I add it this way..

deb  unstable/non-free qemu

Will it only fetch packages related to qemu??

And also, is it wise to download and install the kernel image from SID reps or 
compile it myself?
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Re: Replacing running kernel

[s. keeling]

Sami Liedes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>  I wondered if anyone can help me fix things. I think I might have
>  misconfigured something.

You have not.

>  I clearly remember getting big warnings and a _question_ that allows
>  me to break off when installing a kernel that replaces the currently
>  running version. But nowadays when I upgrade packages (interactively
>  from aptitude), it only _tells_ me that "going to replace running
>  kernel, reboot soon". I want it to ask so I can say no.

No, you don't.  It's informing you of the situation.  You let it
upgrade the kernel.  By doing so, the machine has been left somewhat
in a state of limbo between the old and the new.  To action your
stated intention (upgrade the kernel), you now need to reboot.

Replacing a kernel is one of the very few reasons why any *nix box
needs to be rebooted, and it doesn't happen often.  Suck it up.  :-)


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Re: k3b and wodim

[Alan Ianson]

On Mon December 11 2006 21:25, Alan Ianson wrote:
> In the past I have always used k3bsetup2 to configure permissions so that
> k3b would work properly. k3bsetup2 seems to be gone and k3b can't blank a
> cdrw disk. What does wodim need to be able to blank/write a cd? Should I
> set wodim suid root, or create a burning group or???

Never mind that, I just got a new k3b and wodim package and it is 
blanking/writing cdrw disks without any problems. No changes needed on my 
part.. :)


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k3b and wodim

[Alan Ianson]

In the past I have always used k3bsetup2 to configure permissions so that k3b 
would work properly. k3bsetup2 seems to be gone and k3b can't blank a cdrw 
disk. What does wodim need to be able to blank/write a cd? Should I set wodim 
suid root, or create a burning group or???


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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[John W. Foster]

On Monday 11 December 2006 01:08 pm, andy wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I'm new to Debian - having run Slackware solidly since 8.1 I have become
> used to particular ways of maintaining my machine and also became used
> to a certasin belt-&-braces mentality. I loved Slackware, found
---stuff snipped---
I have been around here for a while so welcome aboard. If you have the 
aspirations to really understand what goes on withinthe Debian system there 
is one tool that I always recommend to newbies. It is mc or as it is really 
named Midnight Commander. It works from any Xwindows, kde, or Gnome, 
etc.screen or from the console equally well. It will undoubtedly prove 
extremely useful in MANY areas.
Best wishes!
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Re: How to Play Two Audio streams to two different outputs?

[Dave Thayer]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 03:42:02PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> We're wanting to use one Debian box to play two different audio streams 
> to two different systems: one playing music-on-hold for our general 
> telephone system, and one playing tips-and-updates for our Helpdesk 
> phone system (for simplification purposes, you can just think of the two 
> streams going to two different sets of speakers located in two different 
> rooms).
> 
> I figure we'll need two sound cards, each driving its own set of speakers.
> 

Since phone systems are mono, have you considered using the left and
right channels seperately for the audio sources? You might be able to
get by with some mixer software trickery to run L & R independently. 


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Re: opening ports

[Mike McCarty]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 06:56:49PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:


Andrei Popescu wrote:


On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 05:06:08PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:


[snip]



Are you using "service" in the technical sense? Like FTP, for
example? My firewall drops all packets, just like no daemon
were running.


AFAIK if you have no firewall and no daemon listening there is still
some response (service not available?).


Are you saying that if you shut down your etherport and stop the
IP daemon, that the hardware does some sort of handshake?



IP daemon? What do you mean by that? I thought IP stuff is implemented
in the kernel.


Now that I think on this, I suspect you are right. Perhaps I should
say "thread".


I guess if shut down all software related to the network there will
be no answer, but then why would you connect it to the internet?


I was trying to understand what you wrote.

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Re: aptitutde: "untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!"

[Joey Hess]

Ryo wrote:
> I've never seen this message, and googling has only told me that it's
> related to public keys used by apt.  Could some one tell me how to fix
> the problem?  Also, I'd appreciate it if some one could point me to
> some
> reference to learn these things from.

It could be caused by a number of things. Try running apt-get update.
For docs, see http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt

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Re: Replacing running kernel

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 05:30:51PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 01:58:51AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 03:22:15PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:42:23AM +0200, Sami Liedes wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Where I can configure aptitude or something to not direct it to just
> > > > continue?
> > > 
> > > there is probably some dpkg-reconfigure command to nmake it ask you
> > > again, but in the meantime -- go into aptitude interactive mode, find
> > > your current kernel and markit with "m" to change it to a manual
> > > instead of automatic install. that way it will keep you current kernel
> > > even as it install a new one. 
> > > 
> > > this is being discussed all over this list right now, so read the very
> > > recent archives.
> > > 
> > > A
> > 
> > Andrew: I think he means upgrading the same version.
> 
> whoops, my bad.
> 
> > 
> > Sami: This you can prevent only *before* you start upgrading. aptitude 
> > will show you a summary of what packages will get upgraded. If you see 
> > your running kernel there than just stop and put it on hold before you
> > continue with the upgrade.
> > 
> 
> I've seen the same dialog he's mentioned before and have sometimes
> seen it appear and sometimes not. Unfortunately, I can't remember the
> exact circumstance for what, in retrospect, appears to be an
> inconsistency.
> 
> A

I did an upgrade just hours ago (sid). That dialog is shown when the
kernel package is upgraded. That means the kernel version is still the
same (2.6.18-3-vserver-686 in my case), only the package version is changed.
I hope I got it right ;)

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Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 01:28:06AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei Popescu)
> >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >Subject: Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks
> >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:58:18 +0200
> >
> >On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:47:31AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >
> >> >First you should try installing the kernel available in sarge. Use
> >> >
> >> >aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7
> >>
> >> I did this. It worked.
> >> uname -a
> >> Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.6.8-3-k7 #1 Tue Dec 5 23:58:25 UTC 2006 
> >i686 GNU/Linux
> >
> >Great. Does the SATA disk work?
> 
> I have been looking at a shop on the web that sells internal hard drives.  
> For about 30 UK sterling I could get either an 80GB PATA type disk or a 
> 80GB SATA disk  I was a bit afraid of buying the SATA disk because I 
> thought I would have hardware recognition problems  But this has 
> convinced me that it is not a waste of money to get the SATA drive...

as was mentioned earlier in the thread, 2.6.8 kernel may not be new
enough for a lot of SATA drives. To use this drive, you may have to
move up to "etch" in advance of the release. My understanding is that
etch has MUCH better SATA support than sarge.

> 
> I am also interested in which on line shops you recommend for buying a 
> internal hard drive.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Michael Fothergill
> 
> P.S. How much RAM should a computer have to be happy running Gnome, X and 
> e.g. Openoffice.?  I have 256MB of NVRAM.  Should I upgrade to 512MB.
> 

depends on a lot of things, but more ram certainly won't
hurt. personally I would find 256 to be not enough as I end up
swapping on .5G quite a bit -- i use xfce4, gnucash, iceweasel, and
oo.o, generally all running at the same time.

[...snipped merits of 32 vs 64 bit arch...]
> 
> Is this logical or is it goofy?
> 

makes sense to me. 64 bit will be much more long-lived at this point
than 32 bit, though IMO 32 bit has quite a bit of life left in it. And
I don't know if the 64 bit machines have seen their full-price drop
yet (mostly cause I haven't looked). Personally, I can't wait for when
the various used-computer shops start filling up with perfectly good
modern 32 bit boxen as everyone goes to 64 bit... :)


> >
> >> Will this new kernel make it easier to upgrade to etch??  Presumably 
> >etch official release is
> >> getting close now.

I think the upgrade to udev and xorg 7.x is WAY more problematic than
the transition to 2.6.x kernel. 

A


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Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....

[Alan Ianson]

On Tue, 2006-12-12 at 01:28 +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> 
> 
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei Popescu)
> >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >Subject: Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks
> >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:58:18 +0200
> >
> >On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:47:31AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >
> > > >First you should try installing the kernel available in sarge. Use
> > > >
> > > >aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7
> > >
> > > I did this. It worked.
> > > uname -a
> > > Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.6.8-3-k7 #1 Tue Dec 5 23:58:25 UTC 2006 
> >i686 GNU/Linux
> >
> >Great. Does the SATA disk work?
> 
> I have been looking at a shop on the web that sells internal hard drives.  
> For about 30 UK sterling I could get either an 80GB PATA type disk or a 80GB 
> SATA disk  I was a bit afraid of buying the SATA disk because I thought 
> I would have hardware recognition problems  But this has convinced me 
> that it is not a waste of money to get the SATA drive...
> 
> I am also interested in which on line shops you recommend for buying a 
> internal hard drive.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Michael Fothergill
> 
> P.S. How much RAM should a computer have to be happy running Gnome, X and 
> e.g. Openoffice.?  I have 256MB of NVRAM.  Should I upgrade to 512MB.
> 
> I am thinking of buying a new box from an outfit in the UK Golden 
> Electronics.  For 170 GBP they will give you a box (no monitor) that has an 
> AMD 64 Sempron CPU and a decent hard drive and other gear etc   Plus 512 
> MB of RAM.
> 
> My notion (trash at will) is that if I buy a 64 bit machine it would last 
> longer than 32 bit architecture because the 64 bit machine can handle a huge 
> amount of RAM So in 5 years time then if the latest version of Debian 
> uses much more memory than today to run gnome and OO then I can but much 
> more RAM in there e.g. 5 GB than a 32 bit machine could handle.
> 
> Is this logical or is it goofy?

Quite logical and good to think ahead. What is the ram limit on a 32 bit
machine, 4Gigs IIRC. That leaves a lot of room for growth I think. I run
a 64bit machine myself with 512M of ram, just because that's the way it
came to me. I find 256Megs of ram plenty (that's what I have at work)
for my needs but depending on what you do on that machine it may not be
enough. Video editing takes a lot of ram so for that 512 - 1024 MB
(perhaps even more) would be needed.

Just my $0.02.. :)


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Re: Replacing running kernel

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 01:58:51AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 03:22:15PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:42:23AM +0200, Sami Liedes wrote:
> > > 
> > > Where I can configure aptitude or something to not direct it to just
> > > continue?
> > 
> > there is probably some dpkg-reconfigure command to nmake it ask you
> > again, but in the meantime -- go into aptitude interactive mode, find
> > your current kernel and markit with "m" to change it to a manual
> > instead of automatic install. that way it will keep you current kernel
> > even as it install a new one. 
> > 
> > this is being discussed all over this list right now, so read the very
> > recent archives.
> > 
> > A
> 
> Andrew: I think he means upgrading the same version.

whoops, my bad.

> 
> Sami: This you can prevent only *before* you start upgrading. aptitude 
> will show you a summary of what packages will get upgraded. If you see 
> your running kernel there than just stop and put it on hold before you
> continue with the upgrade.
> 

I've seen the same dialog he's mentioned before and have sometimes
seen it appear and sometimes not. Unfortunately, I can't remember the
exact circumstance for what, in retrospect, appears to be an
inconsistency.

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Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....

[Michael Fothergill]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei Popescu)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:58:18 +0200

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:47:31AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:

> >First you should try installing the kernel available in sarge. Use
> >
> >aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7
>
> I did this. It worked.
> uname -a
> Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.6.8-3-k7 #1 Tue Dec 5 23:58:25 UTC 2006 
i686 GNU/Linux


Great. Does the SATA disk work?


I have been looking at a shop on the web that sells internal hard drives.  
For about 30 UK sterling I could get either an 80GB PATA type disk or a 80GB 
SATA disk  I was a bit afraid of buying the SATA disk because I thought 
I would have hardware recognition problems  But this has convinced me 
that it is not a waste of money to get the SATA drive...


I am also interested in which on line shops you recommend for buying a 
internal hard drive.


Regards

Michael Fothergill

P.S. How much RAM should a computer have to be happy running Gnome, X and 
e.g. Openoffice.?  I have 256MB of NVRAM.  Should I upgrade to 512MB.


I am thinking of buying a new box from an outfit in the UK Golden 
Electronics.  For 170 GBP they will give you a box (no monitor) that has an 
AMD 64 Sempron CPU and a decent hard drive and other gear etc   Plus 512 
MB of RAM.


My notion (trash at will) is that if I buy a 64 bit machine it would last 
longer than 32 bit architecture because the 64 bit machine can handle a huge 
amount of RAM So in 5 years time then if the latest version of Debian 
uses much more memory than today to run gnome and OO then I can but much 
more RAM in there e.g. 5 GB than a 32 bit machine could handle.


Is this logical or is it goofy?







> >or if you want to always have the latest kernel available in sarge then
> >
> >aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-k7
>
> I did this one too and got the same kernel as above as far as I can see. 
 The boot up menu now
> lists these various kernel options to choose from as well as recovery 
modes


Let's assume there will be a newer kernel in sarge (unlikely). This
package would make sure you get it installed automagically, without
selecting it yourself.

> Will this new kernel make it easier to upgrade to etch??  Presumably 
etch official release is

> getting close now.

Maybe somewhat easier. When (if?) you upgrade to etch read the release
notes carefully.

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Re: Illegible PDF (KDE and Sid) (SOLVED (maybe))^W^W

[Benjamí Villoslada]

El Dilluns 04 Desembre 2006 21:43, Benjamí Villoslada va escriure:
> El Dilluns 04 Desembre 2006 19:42, Joshua J. Kugler va escriure:
> > Make sure you haven't enabled KPrinter's "Hangman" mode.
> >
> :
>
> I've changed the KPrinter configuration: Fonts section > unselect «embed
> PostScript fonts when printing» (I read this message in catalan, this 
> english version is improvised and possibly wrong, like all of my english
> O:)
>
> Now works.

Make PDF but not prints (in paper) :((

«embed PostScript fonts when printing»  must be selected. Now my PDF files are 
in «Hangman mode» again: 
http://itaca.bitassa.cat/~benjami/tmp/kdepdfkaput.pdf

I've reseted the KPrint parameters: deleted ~.kde/share/config/kprinterrc and 
~/.qt/qtrc and doesn't works.

No other Sid + KDE with this problem --but solved? :)


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Re: opening ports

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 06:56:49PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 05:06:08PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> >>Are you using "service" in the technical sense? Like FTP, for
> >>example? My firewall drops all packets, just like no daemon
> >>were running.
> >AFAIK if you have no firewall and no daemon listening there is still
> >some response (service not available?).
> 
> Are you saying that if you shut down your etherport and stop the
> IP daemon, that the hardware does some sort of handshake?

IP daemon? What do you mean by that? I thought IP stuff is implemented
in the kernel.

I guess if shut down all software related to the network there will
be no answer, but then why would you connect it to the internet?

Regards,
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Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:47:31AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:

> >First you should try installing the kernel available in sarge. Use
> >
> >aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7
> 
> I did this. It worked.
> uname -a
> Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.6.8-3-k7 #1 Tue Dec 5 23:58:25 UTC 2006 i686 
> GNU/Linux

Great. Does the SATA disk work?

> >or if you want to always have the latest kernel available in sarge then
> >
> >aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-k7
> 
> I did this one too and got the same kernel as above as far as I can see.  The 
> boot up menu now 
> lists these various kernel options to choose from as well as recovery 
> modes

Let's assume there will be a newer kernel in sarge (unlikely). This
package would make sure you get it installed automagically, without
selecting it yourself.

> Will this new kernel make it easier to upgrade to etch??  Presumably etch 
> official release is 
> getting close now.

Maybe somewhat easier. When (if?) you upgrade to etch read the release
notes carefully.

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Re: opening ports

[Mike McCarty]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 05:06:08PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:



[snip]


Are you using "service" in the technical sense? Like FTP, for
example? My firewall drops all packets, just like no daemon
were running.



AFAIK if you have no firewall and no daemon listening there is still
some response (service not available?).


Are you saying that if you shut down your etherport and stop the
IP daemon, that the hardware does some sort of handshake?

Not with my router, BTW. But then, I don't run Linux on it.

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Re: opening ports

[Mike McCarty]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 11:23:26PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:


IP address anyway. Even if you drop *every* incoming packet, an attacker
still knows that you are there from the absence of an ICMP message from
your ISP's router that there is no computer with your IP address.



Interesting. If I understand correctly than firewalling rules would be
much more effective if implemented in the ISP's firewall...


Or if the firewall responded with forged ICMP messages. :-)

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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Miles Bader]

Whoops, chopped off my last paragraph; I meant:

It has many other advantages however, including those from OOP, and more
unusually, a notational power that makes certain sorts of programs
_much_ easier to write/read.  [Part of this is the fact that doing so
can be done _efficiently_ -- it's very common to see e.g. java programs
which are hard to read and have subtle bugs because of the tricks
they're playing to avoid heap allocating temporary objects.  Because C++
allows using value (or value-like) semantics instead in many cases, you
don't need so many tricks, and it can greatly improve the
maintainability of the code.]

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Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....

[Michael Fothergill]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei Popescu)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:53:30 +0200

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 09:47:42PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Debian folks,
>
> I am running Sarge 3.1 r4 on a 1200MHz AMD Duron chip.  I have 256MB of 
RAM.

>
> Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 
2005 i686 GNU/Linux

>
> uname says that I am running the 2.4.27-2 kernel.  During the 
installation the installer
> decided to use this kernel not 2.6.8.  The reason for this flashed by 
screen rather quickly

> but maybe it was some hardware issue.

This is the default kernel for sarge. For 2.6 you should have writen
'linux26' at the prompt.

> What would be a good way to check this out?  I am interested to upgrade 
the kernel because I
> am interested to install a SATA hard drive and some of them might prefer 
to be installed with

> a 2.6 kernel if I understand it correctly.

But that still doesn't guarantee it will work. Some controllers want
newer kernel than the one in sarge.

> Does anyone know what the latest kernel currently is?  Where does one 
download it from?  I
> looked on the web for guides to installing it and found that the 
instructions instructions on

> this are quite varied.
>
> Here is one example.
>
>
> apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.17-6-686 kernel-source-2.6.17 
kernel-headers-2.6.17-6-686

> cd /usr/src
> tar xjvf kernel-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2
> rm linux
> ln -s kernel-source-2.6.17 linux

These are instructions to compile a kernel the "generic" way (should
work on any distro).

First you should try installing the kernel available in sarge. Use

aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7


I did this. It worked.
uname -a
Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.6.8-3-k7 #1 Tue Dec 5 23:58:25 UTC 2006 i686 
GNU/Linux





or if you want to always have the latest kernel available in sarge then

aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-k7


I did this one too and got the same kernel as above as far as I can see.  
The boot up menu now lists these various kernel options to choose from as 
well as recovery modes
Will this new kernel make it easier to upgrade to etch??  Presumably etch 
official release is getting close now.




If that one doesn't work than you could try www.backports.org, but if
you go beyond a certain version (2.6.12?) you will have to upgrade other
stuff as well. Either way read the instructions at backports very careful.

HTH,
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Re: backup archive format saved to disk

[Miles Bader]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> I've yet to see the appeal of OO.  Then again I've never seen Algol.  I
>
> Much of the advantage of OO can be obtained by:
>* strong type checkin * garbage collection * ancillary run-time checks

Those have nothing to do with OOP (that is to say, they are orthogonal
to it).

OOP's main advantages would seem to be:

  (1) improvement of modularity by keeping code related to a particular
  type in one place even in the presence of hierarchical type
  relationships,

  (2) easy sharaing of common code that often results from such type
  relationships, and

  (3) making it simpler to code generic algorithms by taking advantage of
  these hierarchical type relationships.

> C++ does *not* have these advantages.

It has many other advantages however, including those from OOP, and more
unusually, a notational power that makes certain sorts of programs
_much_ easier to write/read (part of this is the fact that doing so can
be done _efficiently_ -- it's very common to see e.g. java programs
which

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aptitutde: "untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!"

[Ryo]

Hello all,

I got the following message from "aptitude dist-upgrade" all of a
sudden:

   . . . .
   Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y
   WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will
be installed!
   . . . .

I've never seen this message, and googling has only told me that it's
related to public keys used by apt.  Could some one tell me how to fix
the problem?  Also, I'd appreciate it if some one could point me to
some
reference to learn these things from.

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Re: opening ports

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 02:09:43AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 11:23:26PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> > IP address anyway. Even if you drop *every* incoming packet, an attacker
> > still knows that you are there from the absence of an ICMP message from
> > your ISP's router that there is no computer with your IP address.
> 
> Interesting. If I understand correctly than firewalling rules would be
> much more effective if implemented in the ISP's firewall...

I meant to say "router"

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Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 01:53:30AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 09:47:42PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > Dear Debian folks,
> > 
> > I am running Sarge 3.1 r4 on a 1200MHz AMD Duron chip.  I have 256MB of RAM.
> > 
> > Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 
> > i686 GNU/Linux
> > 
> > uname says that I am running the 2.4.27-2 kernel.  During the installation 
> > the installer 
> > decided to use this kernel not 2.6.8.  The reason for this flashed by 
> > screen rather quickly 
> > but maybe it was some hardware issue.
> 
> This is the default kernel for sarge. For 2.6 you should have writen
> 'linux26' at the prompt.
> 
> > What would be a good way to check this out?  I am interested to upgrade the 
> > kernel because I 
> > am interested to install a SATA hard drive and some of them might prefer to 
> > be installed with 
> > a 2.6 kernel if I understand it correctly.
> 
> But that still doesn't guarantee it will work. Some controllers want
> newer kernel than the one in sarge.
> 
> > Does anyone know what the latest kernel currently is?  Where does one 
> > download it from?  I 
> > looked on the web for guides to installing it and found that the 
> > instructions instructions on 
> > this are quite varied.
> > 
> > Here is one example.
> > 
> > 
> > apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.17-6-686 kernel-source-2.6.17 
> > kernel-headers-2.6.17-6-686
> > cd /usr/src
> > tar xjvf kernel-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2
> > rm linux
> > ln -s kernel-source-2.6.17 linux
> 
> These are instructions to compile a kernel the "generic" way (should
> work on any distro).

Actually looking more carefull these instructions for installing the kernel
source. Usefull if you want to compile your own kernel.

Regards,
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Re: change description on kernel-image packages?

[Andrei Popescu]

> As has long been recognized, the kernel is special and kernel-image packages
> should not be treated by the same rules and other 'ordinary' packages. Perhaps
> these packages that depend on the latest version of a kernel-image package
> should have  a special action as the last step in the post-install script,
> namely, they should deinstall themselves, but leave the newly installed real
> kernel-image package installed. A newbie would get the latest image, and 
> would not likely notice the missing reverse dependency until sometime much
> later when he was no longer a true newbie.

What about the next upgrade? You wouldn't get the latest kernel.

Regards,
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Re: emacs -nw in UTF-8 xterm does not work

[Miles Bader]

Vincent Lefevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I wonder why emacs 22 isn't in stable, since it works better than
> emacs 21 (see bug 133937 in particular, I've never had such a problem
> with emacs 22).

I suppose 'cause it isn't released yet...

Personally I think it would be better to include an unreleased Emacs 22
in etch, as it's hugely better than the released Emacs 21 (and hey
they've got that great new "~" syntax in version numbers to use :-).

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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[Andrei Popescu]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:48:30AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 09:48:18PM +, andy wrote:
> 
> > Am wondering how I go about getting mplayer and adobe acrobat? Any steers?
> 
> Debian has very strong rules about free software (read the DFSG) so you
> won't find these in the official repositories. You must add this to
> /etc/apt/sources.list
> 
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main

and don't forget to 'aptitude update' 

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Re: opening ports

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 11:23:26PM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> IP address anyway. Even if you drop *every* incoming packet, an attacker
> still knows that you are there from the absence of an ICMP message from
> your ISP's router that there is no computer with your IP address.

Interesting. If I understand correctly than firewalling rules would be
much more effective if implemented in the ISP's firewall...

Regards,
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Re: opening ports

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 05:06:08PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 03:30:16PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >>Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 08:28:16AM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> >>>
> Bruce:
> 
> 
> >1) How would I open ftp ports after doing an apt-get install proftpd?
> 
> On Debian, all ports are "open" by default (but there are not many
> services listening, so it doesn't matter). If a service is being
> installed, it can be assumed that it should actually be available. FTP
> uses ports 20 and 21 (tcp), so if Ubuntu has some iptables rules
> effective by default, you should make exceptions for these ports.
> >>>
> >>>Actually they are called "closed" if no service is listening and "open"
> >>>when some service (daemon) is listening. The ports protected by a
> >>
> >>Umm, I thought that was called "stealth". IMO, whether a service
> >>is running is irrelevant. What matters is how the port is perceived
> >>from the outside world. AIUI, a port which does not respond, and appears
> >>not to exist is called "stealth". It may have a service running
> >>which reports attempts to open, but does not respond to the
> >>external request.
> >AFAIK, a port with no service listening to it will respond in some way,
> >saying there is no service, while a "stealth" port will silently drop
> >any packets, as if it wouldn't exist. Try a port-scan on some internet
> >firewall scanner with your firewall off.
> 
> Are you using "service" in the technical sense? Like FTP, for
> example? My firewall drops all packets, just like no daemon
> were running.

AFAIK if you have no firewall and no daemon listening there is still
some response (service not available?).

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Re: change description on kernel-image packages?

[Paul E Condon]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 01:31:34AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 04:01:52PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> > Hi fellow users of debian,
> > I read about various accounts of newbies and others asking on ocassion
> > about 'why is debian upgrading my kernel?'. After reading the short
> > description on some of the kernel image packages, I think I understand
> > why and wanted to know if others though that my suggestion would address
> > this issue. The descrition on 'linux-image-2.6-k7' is 'This package
> > depends on the latest binary image for Linux kernel 2.6 on 32bit AMD
> > Duron/Athlon/AthlonXP machines.' While this subtly suggests that it may
> > upgrade your kernel, I think the wording could be improved to make it
> > dead clear. Something like 'This package depends on the lastest binary
> > image for $KERNEL kernel $VER on $BITbit $CPU machines. This package
> > will cause your kernel to be upgraded when you upgrade your system, so
> > if you do not want your kernel to be upgraded automatically, use the
> > specific kernel-image for your machine and not this metapackage.'
> 
> Sounds better. Another vote from me.
> 

As has long been recognized, the kernel is special and kernel-image packages
should not be treated by the same rules and other 'ordinary' packages. Perhaps
these packages that depend on the latest version of a kernel-image package
should have  a special action as the last step in the post-install script,
namely, they should deinstall themselves, but leave the newly installed real
kernel-image package installed. A newbie would get the latest image, and 
would not likely notice the missing reverse dependency until sometime much
later when he was no longer a true newbie.

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Re: Replacing running kernel

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 03:22:15PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:42:23AM +0200, Sami Liedes wrote:
> > 
> > Where I can configure aptitude or something to not direct it to just
> > continue?
> 
> there is probably some dpkg-reconfigure command to nmake it ask you
> again, but in the meantime -- go into aptitude interactive mode, find
> your current kernel and markit with "m" to change it to a manual
> instead of automatic install. that way it will keep you current kernel
> even as it install a new one. 
> 
> this is being discussed all over this list right now, so read the very
> recent archives.
> 
> A

Andrew: I think he means upgrading the same version.

Sami: This you can prevent only *before* you start upgrading. aptitude 
will show you a summary of what packages will get upgraded. If you see 
your running kernel there than just stop and put it on hold before you
continue with the upgrade.

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Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 09:47:42PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Debian folks,
> 
> I am running Sarge 3.1 r4 on a 1200MHz AMD Duron chip.  I have 256MB of RAM.
> 
> Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 
> i686 GNU/Linux
> 
> uname says that I am running the 2.4.27-2 kernel.  During the installation 
> the installer 
> decided to use this kernel not 2.6.8.  The reason for this flashed by screen 
> rather quickly 
> but maybe it was some hardware issue.

This is the default kernel for sarge. For 2.6 you should have writen
'linux26' at the prompt.

> What would be a good way to check this out?  I am interested to upgrade the 
> kernel because I 
> am interested to install a SATA hard drive and some of them might prefer to 
> be installed with 
> a 2.6 kernel if I understand it correctly.

But that still doesn't guarantee it will work. Some controllers want
newer kernel than the one in sarge.

> Does anyone know what the latest kernel currently is?  Where does one 
> download it from?  I 
> looked on the web for guides to installing it and found that the instructions 
> instructions on 
> this are quite varied.
> 
> Here is one example.
> 
> 
> apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.17-6-686 kernel-source-2.6.17 
> kernel-headers-2.6.17-6-686
> cd /usr/src
> tar xjvf kernel-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2
> rm linux
> ln -s kernel-source-2.6.17 linux

These are instructions to compile a kernel the "generic" way (should
work on any distro).

First you should try installing the kernel available in sarge. Use

aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7

or if you want to always have the latest kernel available in sarge then

aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-k7

If that one doesn't work than you could try www.backports.org, but if
you go beyond a certain version (2.6.12?) you will have to upgrade other
stuff as well. Either way read the instructions at backports very careful.

HTH,
Andrei
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How can I draw ascii catesian diagram?

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Hi. I have small script that supply me few data and I want draw a small
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5|   .
4|...   . .
3|. .  .   .
2|  ..  .
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Re: change description on kernel-image packages?

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 04:01:52PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> Hi fellow users of debian,
> I read about various accounts of newbies and others asking on ocassion
> about 'why is debian upgrading my kernel?'. After reading the short
> description on some of the kernel image packages, I think I understand
> why and wanted to know if others though that my suggestion would address
> this issue. The descrition on 'linux-image-2.6-k7' is 'This package
> depends on the latest binary image for Linux kernel 2.6 on 32bit AMD
> Duron/Athlon/AthlonXP machines.' While this subtly suggests that it may
> upgrade your kernel, I think the wording could be improved to make it
> dead clear. Something like 'This package depends on the lastest binary
> image for $KERNEL kernel $VER on $BITbit $CPU machines. This package
> will cause your kernel to be upgraded when you upgrade your system, so
> if you do not want your kernel to be upgraded automatically, use the
> specific kernel-image for your machine and not this metapackage.'

Sounds better. Another vote from me.

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Re: opening ports

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 05:06:08PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> 
> Are you using "service" in the technical sense? Like FTP, for
> example? My firewall drops all packets, just like no daemon
> were running. Above, the word service was used with reference
> to "daemon", and I took it to mean the IP daemon. IOW, NOTHING
> back there. The bits fall into the bit bucket on the back
> of my machine. You seem to mean that there *is* a service
> back there, but not a protocol service.

how often do you empty that bit bucket? I've recently been sending
some of my mail (virus crap) into the blackhole and am waiting for it
to fill up. then I guess I'll mv blackhole/* /dev/null and start over.

A


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[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:42:23AM +0200, Sami Liedes wrote:
> 
> Where I can configure aptitude or something to not direct it to just
> continue?

there is probably some dpkg-reconfigure command to nmake it ask you
again, but in the meantime -- go into aptitude interactive mode, find
your current kernel and markit with "m" to change it to a manual
instead of automatic install. that way it will keep you current kernel
even as it install a new one. 

this is being discussed all over this list right now, so read the very
recent archives.

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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[Nate Bargmann]

* andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Dec 11 15:50 -0600]:

> Am wondering how I go about getting mplayer and adobe acrobat? Any steers?

I've found that kpdf of KDE does a good job with PDFs.  Only
infrequently does Acrobat do a better job.

I would probably expunge mplayer from my systems except for all the
.wmv files people like to send.  :-|

For other media like streaming audio, Audacious has become my new
favorite.

- Nate >>

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Re: opening ports

[Mike McCarty]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 03:30:16PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:


Andrei Popescu wrote:


On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 08:28:16AM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:


Bruce:



1) How would I open ftp ports after doing an apt-get install proftpd?


On Debian, all ports are "open" by default (but there are not many
services listening, so it doesn't matter). If a service is being
installed, it can be assumed that it should actually be available. FTP
uses ports 20 and 21 (tcp), so if Ubuntu has some iptables rules
effective by default, you should make exceptions for these ports.


Actually they are called "closed" if no service is listening and "open"
when some service (daemon) is listening. The ports protected by a


Umm, I thought that was called "stealth". IMO, whether a service
is running is irrelevant. What matters is how the port is perceived
from the outside world. AIUI, a port which does not respond, and appears
not to exist is called "stealth". It may have a service running
which reports attempts to open, but does not respond to the
external request.



AFAIK, a port with no service listening to it will respond in some way,
saying there is no service, while a "stealth" port will silently drop
any packets, as if it wouldn't exist. Try a port-scan on some internet
firewall scanner with your firewall off.


Are you using "service" in the technical sense? Like FTP, for
example? My firewall drops all packets, just like no daemon
were running. Above, the word service was used with reference
to "daemon", and I took it to mean the IP daemon. IOW, NOTHING
back there. The bits fall into the bit bucket on the back
of my machine. You seem to mean that there *is* a service
back there, but not a protocol service.

[snip]


A stealthed port appears not to exist to the external world,
but that does not mean that there is no service "listening"
on it.



You can achieve that only with a firewall which drops requests.


Which mine does.


Also, the term "stealth" has been around longer than Windows
firewalls, I do believe.


Might be, but it's more used in the MS world.



I don't claim to be an expert on these matters.



Me neighter :)


I guess we're equally iggernunt then. :-)

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Welcome!

I too started with Slackware some ten years ago or so and in '99
started with Debian Slink, 2.1 and quickly moved to Potato, 2.2, when
it was released.  You will quickly discover the "Debian Way" to system
administration.  Debconf helps a lot amd packages generally have
sensible defaults that are often more sensible than from upstream.

System configuration files are in /etc and one trick I've learned is to
check /etc/default first for configuration files.  Also, get into
/usr/share/doc/package_name and view the README.Debian file before
anything else as it usually has essential information for getting
started with a package.

I've come to the conclusion that the original is still the best.  I've
tried several of the Debian derivatives and in my experience, they're
fine until upgraded and then they seem to fall apart over time. 
Debian has remained the most usable distribution over the long-haul for
me which is a testament to all of the hard work done by everyone in the
Debian Community.

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Re: opening ports

[Mike McCarty]

Jochen Schulz wrote:

Mike McCarty:


Andrei Popescu wrote:



firewall are sometimes called "filtered" (by nmap) or "stealth" (by
some Windows firewalls).


A stealthed port appears not to exist to the external world,
but that does not mean that there is no service "listening"
on it.



"Stealthed" almost always means that there is a service listening on
that port, but traffic to it is being filtered somehow. However,
"pretending not to exist" is not possible for a computer with a public
IP address anyway. Even if you drop *every* incoming packet, an attacker


Certainly what you say here is true. However, *my* machine pretends
not to exist. I get (well, my router gets) a leased IP address.


still knows that you are there from the absence of an ICMP message from
your ISP's router that there is no computer with your IP address.


Hmm. Yes, you are probably right. I hadn't thought of that. But I don't
run "completely stealth". I have the "e-mail query" port non-stealth,
but closed. Otherwise, I get long delays on mail delivery sometimes :-)


Also, the term "stealth" has been around longer than Windows
firewalls, I do believe.



Don't know. It is a marketing term, that's for sure.


Prolly.

As I said, I'm not an expert on these matters.

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Replacing running kernel

[Sami Liedes]

Hello,

I wondered if anyone can help me fix things. I think I might have
misconfigured something.

I clearly remember getting big warnings and a _question_ that allows
me to break off when installing a kernel that replaces the currently
running version. But nowadays when I upgrade packages (interactively
from aptitude), it only _tells_ me that "going to replace running
kernel, reboot soon". I want it to ask so I can say no.

Specifically, it says before showing the "Bwahaha, I replaced your
kernel, you need to reboot" dialog:

Preparing to replace linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 2.6.18-7 (using 
.../linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64_2.6.18-8_amd64.deb) ...
The directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64 still exists. Continuing as directed.
Done.

Where I can configure aptitude or something to not direct it to just
continue?

Sami


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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[andy]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 09:48:18PM +, andy wrote:
  
Am wondering how I go about getting mplayer and adobe acrobat? Any 
steers?



mplayer is in unstable, but I don't know about etch. You can also get
it, along with various codecs of questionable legality from
www.debian-multimedia.org. I believe he's also got acroread.

A

  

Thanks

A



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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 09:48:18PM +, andy wrote:

> Am wondering how I go about getting mplayer and adobe acrobat? Any steers?

Debian has very strong rules about free software (read the DFSG) so you
won't find these in the official repositories. You must add this to
/etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main

This is an unofficial repository, but a very good one (as in everybody
uses it ;) ). AFAIK the maintainer Christian Marillat is also a DD.

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Re: change description on kernel-image packages?

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 16:01 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> I read about various accounts of newbies and others asking on ocassion
> about 'why is debian upgrading my kernel?'. After reading the short
> description on some of the kernel image packages, I think I understand
> why and wanted to know if others though that my suggestion would address
> this issue. The descrition on 'linux-image-2.6-k7' is 'This package
> depends on the latest binary image for Linux kernel 2.6 on 32bit AMD
> Duron/Athlon/AthlonXP machines.' While this subtly suggests that it may
> upgrade your kernel, I think the wording could be improved to make it
> dead clear. Something like 'This package depends on the lastest binary
> image for $KERNEL kernel $VER on $BITbit $CPU machines. This package
> will cause your kernel to be upgraded when you upgrade your system, so
> if you do not want your kernel to be upgraded automatically, use the
> specific kernel-image for your machine and not this metapackage.'
> The change would affect every kernel-image, on i386 this is 20 package,
> for a total of maybe 100 packages.  So it would be a 'mass bug filing'
> of a minor bug of either wishlist or normal severity.

Sounds like a good idea, just be sure to discuss this on debian-devel
before mass filing bugs,

http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkging.en.html#s-submit-many-bugst

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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 09:48:18PM +, andy wrote:
> 
> Am wondering how I go about getting mplayer and adobe acrobat? Any 
> steers?

mplayer is in unstable, but I don't know about etch. You can also get
it, along with various codecs of questionable legality from
www.debian-multimedia.org. I believe he's also got acroread.

A

> 
> Thanks
> 
> A

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Re: opening ports

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 03:30:16PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 08:28:16AM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> >>Bruce:
> >>
> >>>1) How would I open ftp ports after doing an apt-get install proftpd?
> >>
> >>On Debian, all ports are "open" by default (but there are not many
> >>services listening, so it doesn't matter). If a service is being
> >>installed, it can be assumed that it should actually be available. FTP
> >>uses ports 20 and 21 (tcp), so if Ubuntu has some iptables rules
> >>effective by default, you should make exceptions for these ports.
> >Actually they are called "closed" if no service is listening and "open"
> >when some service (daemon) is listening. The ports protected by a
> 
> Umm, I thought that was called "stealth". IMO, whether a service
> is running is irrelevant. What matters is how the port is perceived
> from the outside world. AIUI, a port which does not respond, and appears
> not to exist is called "stealth". It may have a service running
> which reports attempts to open, but does not respond to the
> external request.

AFAIK, a port with no service listening to it will respond in some way,
saying there is no service, while a "stealth" port will silently drop
any packets, as if it wouldn't exist. Try a port-scan on some internet
firewall scanner with your firewall off.

> A port which responds with "denied" is called "closed". A port
> which responds with "accepted" is "open", though the service
> may request a switch to another port (like FTP does).
> 
> >firewall are sometimes called "filtered" (by nmap) or "stealth" (by
> >some Windows firewalls).
> 
> A stealthed port appears not to exist to the external world,
> but that does not mean that there is no service "listening"
> on it.

You can achieve that only with a firewall which drops requests.

> Also, the term "stealth" has been around longer than Windows
> firewalls, I do believe.

Might be, but it's more used in the MS world.

> I don't claim to be an expert on these matters.

Me neighter :)

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Re: opening ports

[Jochen Schulz]

Mike McCarty:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
> 
>> firewall are sometimes called "filtered" (by nmap) or "stealth" (by
>> some Windows firewalls).
> 
> A stealthed port appears not to exist to the external world,
> but that does not mean that there is no service "listening"
> on it.

"Stealthed" almost always means that there is a service listening on
that port, but traffic to it is being filtered somehow. However,
"pretending not to exist" is not possible for a computer with a public
IP address anyway. Even if you drop *every* incoming packet, an attacker
still knows that you are there from the absence of an ICMP message from
your ISP's router that there is no computer with your IP address.

> Also, the term "stealth" has been around longer than Windows
> firewalls, I do believe.

Don't know. It is a marketing term, that's for sure.

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Re: change description on kernel-image packages?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 04:01:52PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> Hi fellow users of debian,
> I read about various accounts of newbies and others asking on ocassion
> about 'why is debian upgrading my kernel?'. After reading the short
> description on some of the kernel image packages, I think I understand
> why and wanted to know if others though that my suggestion would address
> this issue. The descrition on 'linux-image-2.6-k7' is 'This package
> depends on the latest binary image for Linux kernel 2.6 on 32bit AMD
> Duron/Athlon/AthlonXP machines.' While this subtly suggests that it may
> upgrade your kernel, I think the wording could be improved to make it
> dead clear. Something like 'This package depends on the lastest binary
> image for $KERNEL kernel $VER on $BITbit $CPU machines. This package
> will cause your kernel to be upgraded when you upgrade your system, so
> if you do not want your kernel to be upgraded automatically, use the
> specific kernel-image for your machine and not this metapackage.'
> The change would affect every kernel-image, on i386 this is 20 package,
> for a total of maybe 100 packages.  So it would be a 'mass bug filing'
> of a minor bug of either wishlist or normal severity.
> cheers,

I vote for that. 

A


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Re: Xgl packages for debian?????

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello.

Margiolas Christos, 11.12.2006 21:50:
> Hello, where I can find  xgl packages? Please don't speak to me
> about aiglx my horrible ati can't elaborate with it :( .

What ATI are you talking about? My Radeon 9600 works rather well with AIGLX and
the compositor of Xfwm4.


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Re: Xgl packages for debian?????

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 10:50:08PM +0200, Margiolas Christos wrote:
> Hello, where I can find  xgl packages? Please don't speak to me
> about aiglx my horrible ati can't elaborate with it :( .
> Thanks in advance
> Christos
> 
http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl

Basically, you need to get it yourself and compile it from CVS.

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dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....

[Michael Fothergill]

Dear Debian folks,

I am running Sarge 3.1 r4 on a 1200MHz AMD Duron chip.  I have 256MB of RAM.

Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 
i686 GNU/Linux


uname says that I am running the 2.4.27-2 kernel.  During the installation 
the installer decided to use this kernel not 2.6.8.  The reason for this 
flashed by screen rather quickly but maybe it was some hardware issue.


What would be a good way to check this out?  I am interested to upgrade the 
kernel because I am interested to install a SATA hard drive and some of them 
might prefer to be installed with a 2.6 kernel if I understand it correctly.


Does anyone know what the latest kernel currently is?  Where does one 
download it from?  I looked on the web for guides to installing it and found 
that the instructions instructions on this are quite varied.


Here is one example.


apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.17-6-686 kernel-source-2.6.17 
kernel-headers-2.6.17-6-686

cd /usr/src
tar xjvf kernel-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2
rm linux
ln -s kernel-source-2.6.17 linux

Where would I find a guide that you feel is kosher?

Regards,

Michael Fothergill

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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[andy]

Kevin Mark wrote:

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 07:08:14PM +, andy wrote:
  

Hi all

I'm new to Debian - having run Slackware solidly since 8.1 I have become 


Hi Andy,
welcome to Debian. as of today the next stable release 'etch' has gone
into 'freeze', this is the last stage before it is released as 'stable'.
So, if you are running Sarge, you may want to read the etch release
notes before upgrading. If you are running 'testing', you can fix your
/etc/apt/sources.list to read 'etch' so that you upgrade and stay with
'stable' when its released or you'll stay with 'testing'. 'testing' is
usually most useable a few months after a release. This is because
things are being added after the release to fix things that could not be
added because of the 'freeze'. The other thing about testing is that
packages get taken out from time to time and are not replaced in a
timely manner. Unstable or sid is were all bugfixes go, so if there is a
bugfix it enters unstable and in about 10 days, if all goes well it may
enter 'testing'. I said 'may' because there are multiple conditions that
allow a package or a group of packages to migrate into testing. So if
you want 24/7 rock solid dead easy - go with stable. If you want fast
bugfixes but not dead easy - go with unstable. If you want somewhat easy
and newer that stable then go with testing. All these choices has
consequenes. But if you start with stable, if will allow an easier time
to get used to 'the Debian way'.

  
used to particular ways of maintaining my machine and also became used 
to a certasin belt-&-braces mentality. I loved Slackware, found 
tremendous respect for the stable way Pat Volkerding put it together and 
maintained it over the years.


Much props to Mr. Slack! Every pioneer who paved the way had a hard road
to pave that is littered with blood sweat and tears. We stand on the
shoulders of giants.
  
So, this is my first venture forth into Debian and using Etch with Gnome 
as my DE, with 1Gb RAM, a P4 processor and 200Gb HDD I am feeling well 
equipped to ride the obvious and demonstrable pleasures that GNU/Linux 
Debian Etch brings the user. This is *so* very cool.


Well that system will able to do anything like compiz, beryl, mythtv, or
other hi cpu stuff. Have fun!
  
Well done any developers who read this - thanks for building this: this 
is a rush!! I love apt-get and how stable the system seems to be, and 
responsive too. I am still on a very steep learning curve, so would 
welcome anyone's steer in terms of learning how to optimise my system 
and good documentation for a Debian-n00b.


I am seriously impressed with this system and just wanted to introduce 
myself. Lots to learn - lots of fun to be had: this is what computing 
was meant to be ...


There are many sources of info: here is one. irc.debian.org on #debian
using irssi (my choice). wiki.debian.org has expanded this year into a
great resource. /usr/share/doc/ is where all documentation is. watch for
any file that has 'debian' in the name for debian added notes. apt-file
is cool for finding stuff. aptitude is the tool for most folks to
install. apt-get or dpkg maybe needed to do surgery. apt-cache is
useful. 
aptitude remove: remove application files and documentation

aptitude purge: remove application files, documentation and
configuration file(/etc).
aptitude upgrade: used for updating packages
aptitude dist-upgrade: used for adding, removing and updating packages
(this is a rough definition--read apt-get or aptitude man pages for more
info)
almost forgot: www.debian-administration.org a site by a DD(debian
developers) which has cool stuff. And planet.debian.org to get the
latest Gossi^H^H^HNews on all thing Debian.
Cheers,
Kev
  

Thanks Kev

Yep - I've checked: I am already running "etch" as the repos for apt 
sources. Thanks.


Am wondering how I go about getting mplayer and adobe acrobat? Any steers?

Thanks

A

Re: opening ports

[Mike McCarty]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 08:28:16AM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:


Bruce:


1) How would I open ftp ports after doing an apt-get install proftpd?


On Debian, all ports are "open" by default (but there are not many
services listening, so it doesn't matter). If a service is being
installed, it can be assumed that it should actually be available. FTP
uses ports 20 and 21 (tcp), so if Ubuntu has some iptables rules
effective by default, you should make exceptions for these ports.



Actually they are called "closed" if no service is listening and "open"
when some service (daemon) is listening. The ports protected by a


Umm, I thought that was called "stealth". IMO, whether a service
is running is irrelevant. What matters is how the port is perceived
from the outside world. AIUI, a port which does not respond, and appears
not to exist is called "stealth". It may have a service running
which reports attempts to open, but does not respond to the
external request.

A port which responds with "denied" is called "closed". A port
which responds with "accepted" is "open", though the service
may request a switch to another port (like FTP does).


firewall are sometimes called "filtered" (by nmap) or "stealth" (by
some Windows firewalls).


A stealthed port appears not to exist to the external world,
but that does not mean that there is no service "listening"
on it.

Also, the term "stealth" has been around longer than Windows
firewalls, I do believe.

I don't claim to be an expert on these matters.

Mike
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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[andy]

Sven Arvidsson wrote:

On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 19:08 +, andy wrote:
  
I am still on a very steep learning curve, so would 
welcome anyone's steer in terms of learning how to optimise my system 
and good documentation for a Debian-n00b.



I'm not sure what kind of docs you're looking for, but I suggest you
check out http://www.debian-administration.org/

There are tons of useful, interesting, and cool tips for working with
Debian there.

  

Thanks for the link - bookmarked. :)


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Re: dist-upgrade removing current kernel

[Wayne Topa]

Paul Yeatman([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> Hi, I did some searching on this in the archive and found some stuff
> but nothing that fully satisfies me.  When a new minor 2.6 kernel
> revision, 2.6.17, was available for Etch, an "aptitude dist-upgrade"
> wanted to install this new kernel AND remove my 2.6.16 kernel revision
> (which understandably was my most recent kernel version and the one I
> was currently booted to).  I tried a few things to get aptitude to just
> leave my 2.6.16 kernel alone such as
> 
>   aptitude hold linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7
> 
> but a "dist-upgrade" seemed to ignore/override this.  When I couldn't
> come up with a quick way to have it leave my 2.6.16 kernel alone, I
> eventually booted to a different kernel revision and let 'aptitude
> dist-upgrade' do as it wanted, ie. uninstall my 2.6.16 kernel revision.
> Now, I'm experiencing the identical situation with the recently
> released 2.6.18 kernel revision for Etch.  I'm perfectly happy with the
> package manager leaving my currently installed kernels alone while
> simultaneously adding newer kernel versions and releases.  If I want to
> remove old kernels at some point, I'll do so explicitely.  Anyone have
> any ideas for me?

Oh the Joys of aptitude.  Strangely, I just upgraded to 2.6.18 and it
_didn't_ try to remove my current 2.6.15.  Anyway, in your case I would
just bypass aptitude this time and do apt-get install kernel-U-want.

Or, I guess you could put the current kernel on hold and then try a 
aptitude install kernel-U-want.  I'm not too keen on aptitude as it
just tries to do to much and, IMHO, fails to deliver consistently.
I've just used apt for too long, I guess.

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change description on kernel-image packages?

[Kevin Mark]

Hi fellow users of debian,
I read about various accounts of newbies and others asking on ocassion
about 'why is debian upgrading my kernel?'. After reading the short
description on some of the kernel image packages, I think I understand
why and wanted to know if others though that my suggestion would address
this issue. The descrition on 'linux-image-2.6-k7' is 'This package
depends on the latest binary image for Linux kernel 2.6 on 32bit AMD
Duron/Athlon/AthlonXP machines.' While this subtly suggests that it may
upgrade your kernel, I think the wording could be improved to make it
dead clear. Something like 'This package depends on the lastest binary
image for $KERNEL kernel $VER on $BITbit $CPU machines. This package
will cause your kernel to be upgraded when you upgrade your system, so
if you do not want your kernel to be upgraded automatically, use the
specific kernel-image for your machine and not this metapackage.'
The change would affect every kernel-image, on i386 this is 20 package,
for a total of maybe 100 packages.  So it would be a 'mass bug filing'
of a minor bug of either wishlist or normal severity.
cheers,
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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 19:08 +, andy wrote:
> I am still on a very steep learning curve, so would 
> welcome anyone's steer in terms of learning how to optimise my system 
> and good documentation for a Debian-n00b.

I'm not sure what kind of docs you're looking for, but I suggest you
check out http://www.debian-administration.org/

There are tons of useful, interesting, and cool tips for working with
Debian there.

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Re: xorg 7.1.1 upgrade problem

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Mon, 2006-12-11 at 14:04 -0500, Wayne Topa wrote:
> dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: 
> _glapi_Dispatch
> (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so
> (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (loader failed, 7)

That doesn't look good, but if it's the cause of your problems, I don't
know. 

Try to remove the 'Load "GLcore"' line from xorg.conf if it exists
there.

By the way, what you posted wasn't the complete log file from X, was it?
It's usually /var/log/Xorg.0.log 

> > Do you think this is similar to bug 394687[0]?
> > 
> I thought not but now I wonder.  I had the line "VideoRam4096" in
> the conf when the above errors happened.  Which worked with xorg 7.0.
> I just commented it out and now the driver fails with
> 
> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Dec 11 13:51:01 2006
> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
> 
> (EE) TSENG(0): No valid modes found
> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
> 
> Fatal server error:
> no screens found
> --
> 
> Not like 394687, but it does seem that the ramdac has something to do
> with the failure.

Could be something. Even if you haven't had much progress reporting
bugs, I still suggest adding a comment to that bug describing your
problem.

> > Have you considered contacting / filing a bug with upstream directly
> > about this? Try Bugzilla[1] or their mailing list[2].
> 
> I sent the above user information in a bug report, via reportbug, and sent
> a copy to the "Debian X Strike Force" mailing list.

I still suggest contacting upstream directly, 
http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg

If your problem isn't specific to Debian, chances are they are aware of
it and a possible solution.

> Tnanks loads Sven!  You have help me more than you know.  I really 
> appreciate the 'kick' and hope that long post might help others as well.
> 
> Many, Many Thanks.

Glad to hear that, I guess vesa is better than nothing :-)

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Xgl packages for debian?????

[Margiolas Christos]

Hello, where I can find  xgl packages? Please don't speak to me
about aiglx my horrible ati can't elaborate with it :( .
Thanks in advance
Christos


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Re: Skype has stopped working

[astrosmurfie]

Hi,

already solved the problem with Skype audio? If not, try downloading 
alsa-oss (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/alsa-oss) and run 
skype typing 'aoss skype'. This solved the problem for me.


Hope it helps...

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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 07:08:14PM +, andy wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I'm new to Debian - having run Slackware solidly since 8.1 I have become 
Hi Andy,
welcome to Debian. as of today the next stable release 'etch' has gone
into 'freeze', this is the last stage before it is released as 'stable'.
So, if you are running Sarge, you may want to read the etch release
notes before upgrading. If you are running 'testing', you can fix your
/etc/apt/sources.list to read 'etch' so that you upgrade and stay with
'stable' when its released or you'll stay with 'testing'. 'testing' is
usually most useable a few months after a release. This is because
things are being added after the release to fix things that could not be
added because of the 'freeze'. The other thing about testing is that
packages get taken out from time to time and are not replaced in a
timely manner. Unstable or sid is were all bugfixes go, so if there is a
bugfix it enters unstable and in about 10 days, if all goes well it may
enter 'testing'. I said 'may' because there are multiple conditions that
allow a package or a group of packages to migrate into testing. So if
you want 24/7 rock solid dead easy - go with stable. If you want fast
bugfixes but not dead easy - go with unstable. If you want somewhat easy
and newer that stable then go with testing. All these choices has
consequenes. But if you start with stable, if will allow an easier time
to get used to 'the Debian way'.

> used to particular ways of maintaining my machine and also became used 
> to a certasin belt-&-braces mentality. I loved Slackware, found 
> tremendous respect for the stable way Pat Volkerding put it together and 
> maintained it over the years.
Much props to Mr. Slack! Every pioneer who paved the way had a hard road
to pave that is littered with blood sweat and tears. We stand on the
shoulders of giants.
> So, this is my first venture forth into Debian and using Etch with Gnome 
> as my DE, with 1Gb RAM, a P4 processor and 200Gb HDD I am feeling well 
> equipped to ride the obvious and demonstrable pleasures that GNU/Linux 
> Debian Etch brings the user. This is *so* very cool.
Well that system will able to do anything like compiz, beryl, mythtv, or
other hi cpu stuff. Have fun!
> 
> Well done any developers who read this - thanks for building this: this 
> is a rush!! I love apt-get and how stable the system seems to be, and 
> responsive too. I am still on a very steep learning curve, so would 
> welcome anyone's steer in terms of learning how to optimise my system 
> and good documentation for a Debian-n00b.
> 
> I am seriously impressed with this system and just wanted to introduce 
> myself. Lots to learn - lots of fun to be had: this is what computing 
> was meant to be ...
There are many sources of info: here is one. irc.debian.org on #debian
using irssi (my choice). wiki.debian.org has expanded this year into a
great resource. /usr/share/doc/ is where all documentation is. watch for
any file that has 'debian' in the name for debian added notes. apt-file
is cool for finding stuff. aptitude is the tool for most folks to
install. apt-get or dpkg maybe needed to do surgery. apt-cache is
useful. 
aptitude remove: remove application files and documentation
aptitude purge: remove application files, documentation and
configuration file(/etc).
aptitude upgrade: used for updating packages
aptitude dist-upgrade: used for adding, removing and updating packages
(this is a rough definition--read apt-get or aptitude man pages for more
info)
almost forgot: www.debian-administration.org a site by a DD(debian
developers) which has cool stuff. And planet.debian.org to get the
latest Gossi^H^H^HNews on all thing Debian.
Cheers,
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Re: KQemu on Debian Testing

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Daniel.

Daniel Baumann, 11.12.2006 21:13:
> Mathias Brodala wrote:
>> But you can build it on your own from source of course.
> 
> Yes, but I did not and will not test it with old kernels. So, there
> could be some bugs, maybe..

I always did and had no problems. (I only sometimes forgot to rebuild it while
upgrading my kernel.)

>> PS: Do you know what happened to your mailinglist on Debian-Unofficial? 
>> There’s
>> only a 404 now …
> 
> Yes, I'm moving it to restricted.alioth.debian.org, but the move is not
> yet finished (still on my todo).

Ah, I see; so there will be a mailinglist again. Good to know.


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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[Andrew Sackville-West]

congrats andy and welcome!

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 07:48:13PM +, andy wrote:

> >>Debian Etch brings the user. This is *so* very cool.

word to the wise. do some reading and get a knowledge of the
differences between "etch" and "testing" and "stable" and tracking the
various flavors of deb. As you are a new deb user, may I respectfully
suggest that you set up apt to track "etch" and not "testing" at this
point. current "testing" is about to become the "etch" stable release
and so if you track "Etch" you will likely face little breakage at this
time. however, if you track "testing", then when "etch" becomes
"Stable" you will likely face lots of churn and breakage in the "testing"
branch. not fun for someone unfamiliar with deb. 

there are many discussions/wars about this topic in the archives of
this list with many analogies to help someone understand this topic.

> >>
> >>Well done any developers who read this - thanks for building this: this
> >>is a rush!! I love apt-get and how stable the system seems to be, and
> >>responsive too. I am still on a very steep learning curve, so would
> >>welcome anyone's steer in terms of learning how to optimise my system
> >>and good documentation for a Debian-n00b.
> >>
> >>I am seriously impressed with this system and just wanted to introduce
> >>myself. Lots to learn - lots of fun to be had: this is what computing
> >>was meant to be ...

indeed!

> >>
> >>wheee  :D
> >>   

happy deb'ing

A


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pkg-config lying about libglib2 version when compiling gtkglext. but correct .pc file is there

[mitchell phillip Laks]

Hi,
I am running sid, and i have the standard gtk2 packages (gtk2, atk pango etc
including the development packages) except for gtkglext. I want to compile the
latest version of gtkglext and gtkglextmm from source.

when i run ./configure all is fine until 


checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0...
*** 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.8.6, but GLIB (2.12.4)
*** was found! If pkg-config was correct, then it is best
*** to remove the old version of GLib. You may also be able to fix the error
*** by modifying your LD_LIBRARY_PATH enviroment variable, or by editing
*** /etc/ld.so.conf. Make sure you have run ldconfig if that is
*** required on your system.
*** If pkg-config was wrong, set the environment variable PKG_CONFIG_PATH
*** to point to the correct configuration files
no
configure: error: GLib 2.0 not found

However when I look in the directory
/usr/lib/pkgconfig
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ls /usr/lib/pkgconfig/
alsa.pc   gnome-mime-data-2.0.pc  randrproto.pc
atk.pcgnome-system-tools.pc   renderproto.pc
audiofile.pc  gobject-2.0.pc  rhythmbox.pc
avahi-client.pc   gthread-2.0.pc  shared-mime-info.pc
cairo-ft.pc   gthread.pc  sm.pc
cairo.pc  gtk+-2.0.pc videoproto.pc
cairo-pdf.pc  gtk+.pc vorbisenc.pc
cairo-png.pc  gtk+-x11-2.0.pc vorbisfile.pc
cairo-ps.pc   ice.pc  vorbis.pc
cairo-svg.pc  inputproto.pc   x11.pc
cairo-xlib.pc jack.pc xau.pc
cairo-xlib-xrender.pc kbproto.pc  xbitmaps.pc
com_err.pclcms.pc xcursor.pc
dbus-1.pc libart-2.0.pc   xdmcp.pc
devmapper.pc  libcrypto.pcxext.pc
esound.pc libcurl.pc  xextproto.pc
fixesproto.pc libexslt.pc xfce4-icon-theme-1.0.pc
fontconfig.pc libidn.pc   xfce4-session-1.0.pc
fontenc.pclibpcre.pc  xfixes.pc
fontsproto.pc libpng12.pc xfont.pc
fontutil.pc   libpng.pc   xfprint-1.0.pc
freetype2.pc  libssl.pc   xft.pc
gdict-1.0.pc  libxml-2.0.pc   xinerama.pc
gdk-2.0.pclibxslt.pc  xineramaproto.pc
gdk.pclua50.pcxi.pc
gdk-pixbuf-2.0.pc lualib50.pc xml2po.pc
gdk-pixbuf-xlib-2.0.pcmad.pc  xmu.pc
gdk-x11-2.0.pcogg.pc  xp.pc
glib-2.0.pc   openssl.pc  xproto.pc
glib.pc   pangocairo.pc   xrandr.pc
gmodule-2.0.pcpangoft2.pc xrender.pc
gmodule-export-2.0.pc pango.pcxt.pc
gmodule-no-export-2.0.pc  pangoxft.pc xtrans.pc
gmodule.pcpangox.pc   xv.pc
gnome-doc-utils.pcprintproto.pc

and this is the content of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc

prefix=/usr
exec_prefix=${prefix}
libdir=${exec_prefix}/lib
includedir=${prefix}/include

glib_genmarshal=glib-genmarshal
gobject_query=gobject-query
glib_mkenums=glib-mkenums

Name: GLib
Description: C Utility Library
Version: 2.12.4
Libs: -L${libdir} -lglib-2.0
Cflags: -I${includedir}/glib-2.0 -I${libdir}/glib-2.0/include

So what is causing pkg-config to "lie"? Doesnt it look in the
/usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc file which is correct!
it can't be the $PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable because

workstation:~# whoami
root
workstation:~# echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH

workstation:~# exit
logout
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
 
Thanks,
Mitchell Laks


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Re: opening ports

[Jochen Schulz]

Andrei Popescu:
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 08:28:16AM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> > 
> > On Debian, all ports are "open" by default (but there are not many
> > services listening, so it doesn't matter). If a service is being
> > installed, it can be assumed that it should actually be available. FTP
> > uses ports 20 and 21 (tcp), so if Ubuntu has some iptables rules
> > effective by default, you should make exceptions for these ports.
> 
> Actually they are called "closed" if no service is listening

Yes, I know that, but thanks for the clarification anyway. That's why I
enclosed "open" in quotes, but I agree it was misleading.

> and "open" when some service (daemon) is listening. The ports
> protected by a firewall are sometimes called "filtered" (by nmap) or
> "stealth" (by some Windows firewalls).

But only when incoming packets are simply dropped (instead of properly
rejected, in which case the port is indistinguishable from ports at
which no process is listening).

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Re: KQemu on Debian Testing

[Daniel Baumann]

Mathias Brodala wrote:
> But you can build it on your own from source of course.

Yes, but I did not and will not test it with old kernels. So, there
could be some bugs, maybe..

> PS: Do you know what happened to your mailinglist on Debian-Unofficial? 
> There’s
> only a 404 now …

Yes, I'm moving it to restricted.alioth.debian.org, but the move is not
yet finished (still on my todo).

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Re: dist-upgrade removing current kernel

[Paul Yeatman]

->>In response to your message<<-
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>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 11:24:44AM -0800, Paul Yeatman wrote:
> >  I'm perfectly happy with the
> > package manager leaving my currently installed kernels alone while
> > simultaneously adding newer kernel versions and releases.  If I want to
> > remove old kernels at some point, I'll do so explicitely.  Anyone have
> > any ideas for me?
> 
> there are many ways to do this, but the most intuitive to me is to use
> aptitude in the interactive mode and go to each of the currently
> installed kernels. you will see them tagged with an 'A' indicating
> that is was automatically installed to satisfy some dependency (in the
> case of kernels, you have probably installed a kernel meta-package
> which depends on the latest kernel image. as a new kernel image is
> released, of course, that dependency shifts to the new image and the
> 'A' kernels are marked for deletion.) So us 'm' to mark them as
> manually installed instead of automatically installed. Aptitude will
> then keep the package for you. this will come up with each new kernel
> image. 
> 
> Others will likely show you some slick, automatic way to do this, but
> that's how I do it.
> 

Yes, that is perfect and makes total sense.  Thanks!

I knew this shouldn't be hard but just couldn't come up with a solution.  I
was also trying to figure out why it was removing the latest kernel but
leaving ones I had previously installed (manually) alone.  I understand
now.

Thanks,

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Re: KQemu on Debian Testing

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Daniel.

Daniel Baumann, 11.12.2006 20:56:
> Felipe Sateler wrote:
>> Here is the thing. You need to update your qemu.
> 
> besides, running it on kernel previous than 2.6.18-3 is unsupported.

But you can build it on your own from source of course.


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Re: KQemu on Debian Testing

[Daniel Baumann]

Felipe Sateler wrote:
> Here is the thing. You need to update your qemu.

besides, running it on kernel previous than 2.6.18-3 is unsupported.

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Re: dist-upgrade removing current kernel

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 11:24:44AM -0800, Paul Yeatman wrote:
>  I'm perfectly happy with the
> package manager leaving my currently installed kernels alone while
> simultaneously adding newer kernel versions and releases.  If I want to
> remove old kernels at some point, I'll do so explicitely.  Anyone have
> any ideas for me?

there are many ways to do this, but the most intuitive to me is to use
aptitude in the interactive mode and go to each of the currently
installed kernels. you will see them tagged with an 'A' indicating
that is was automatically installed to satisfy some dependency (in the
case of kernels, you have probably installed a kernel meta-package
which depends on the latest kernel image. as a new kernel image is
released, of course, that dependency shifts to the new image and the
'A' kernels are marked for deletion.) So us 'm' to mark them as
manually installed instead of automatically installed. Aptitude will
then keep the package for you. this will come up with each new kernel
image. 

Others will likely show you some slick, automatic way to do this, but
that's how I do it.

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Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[andy]

Peter Colton wrote:

hello andy,

A document that is very handy " Debian Reference "
" apt-get install debian-reference-en "
link for file brower : /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/reference.en.html


regards : peter colton


On Monday 11 December 2006 19:08, andy wrote:
  

Hi all

I'm new to Debian - having run Slackware solidly since 8.1 I have become
used to particular ways of maintaining my machine and also became used
to a certasin belt-&-braces mentality. I loved Slackware, found
tremendous respect for the stable way Pat Volkerding put it together and
maintained it over the years.
So, this is my first venture forth into Debian and using Etch with Gnome
as my DE, with 1Gb RAM, a P4 processor and 200Gb HDD I am feeling well
equipped to ride the obvious and demonstrable pleasures that GNU/Linux
Debian Etch brings the user. This is *so* very cool.

Well done any developers who read this - thanks for building this: this
is a rush!! I love apt-get and how stable the system seems to be, and
responsive too. I am still on a very steep learning curve, so would
welcome anyone's steer in terms of learning how to optimise my system
and good documentation for a Debian-n00b.

I am seriously impressed with this system and just wanted to introduce
myself. Lots to learn - lots of fun to be had: this is what computing
was meant to be ...

wheee  :D




  

Hey Peter

Thanks for that link - very useful. That's the home-page for my Galeon 
browser. Lots of reading.


Give me a few hours to work my way through that :)

Cheers

A


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Re: partitions

[Baz]

For what it's worth - I resized (twice) my XP partition - then, first
established a Debian partition, then "grew" it.

A few weeks ago, I used Qtparted via Knoppix to resize the XP partition on
my 80GB HD to allow a Debian install (25GB).  Last night, I used Gparted to
further shrink the XP partition to 30GB, then grew the Debian partition to
40GB (Debian Swap and XP FAT consume the remainder).  Growing took about an
hour, but it was successful.  I suggest using Gparted instead.  I used the
Live CD.  - Sebastian


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> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 06:38:30PM -, michael wrote:
>> > I'm not sure if I'm messed up here but all advice welcome:
>> >
>> >  I
>> >  used the WinXP setup CD to delete existing WinXP 32Gb partition,
>> >  created
>> >  2 new 16Gb partitions, then made some spare space at end a new
>> >  partition
>> >  too (it may have been 2 new partitions). WinXP installed okay into
>> one
>> > of the partitions (didn't create a
>> >  filesys on the others).
>> >
>> >  but then it seemed had to change from hda3 to hda6 to boot Debian
and
>> > then when do gpart/parted it gives a
>> >  smaller no.
>> >  of partitions than the XP setup made and has a couple with same
>> >  starting
>> >  point (byte? cylinder?)
>> >
>> > I then deleted the new partitions (leaving WinXP in the new but
>> smaller
>> > partition) but still Debian (eg parted) only sees 3 partitions and
two
>> > of them start in same place.
>> >
>> > Sorry for lack of details - will write them down and post later today
>> >
>> >
>> here are the details from fdisk, sfdisk and mount respectively:
>> Disk /dev/hda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
>> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders
>> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>>
>>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
>> /dev/hda1   *   12081167156017  HPFS/NTFS
>> /dev/hda24178   1459283658487+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
>> /dev/hda54178835433551721b  W95 FAT32
>>
>> Command (m for help):
>>
>>
>>
>> Disk /dev/hda: 14593 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track
>> Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from
>> 0
>>
>>Device Boot Start End   #cyls#blocks   Id  System
>> /dev/hda1   *  0+   20802081-  167156017  HPFS/NTFS
>> /dev/hda2   4177   14591   10415   83658487+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
>>  start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1)
>
> I don't like this warning or its repeat below. if you haven't yet
> installed deb, you might try rebuilding the partition table from the
> installer, or a live CD. You SHOULD be able to do so without affecting
> the ntfs partition, so long as you don't try to resize it (Though that
> works now too). having said that, the data above from fdisk looks all
> fine.
>
>> /dev/hda3  0   -   0  00  Empty
>> /dev/hda4  0   -   0  00  Empty
>> /dev/hda5   4177+   83534177-  33551721b  W95 FAT32
>>  start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,1,1)
>> /dev/hda6   8354   139555602   44998065   83  Linux
>>  start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1)
>>
>>
>> /dev/hda6 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
>> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
>> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
>> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
>> usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw)
>> /dev/hda5 on /data type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
>

Sorry, should have stated explicitly, that I had Debian & WinXP installed,
then deleted 32Gb WinXP partition leaving Debian as is. Then used WinXP
setup CD to create 2 new 16Gb partitions, in one of which I installed a
new WinXP

> your / is mounted on hda6 because 1) you've got a fat32 partition on
> hda5 AND they are both logical partitions, not physical
> partitions. logical partitions start their numbering at 5 and go up
> from there.
>
> you questioned the '+' and '-' symbols in the partition tables. I
> believe that merely refers to "a little bigger" or "a little smaller"
> than the number listed. it is merely because the units used to display
> the cylinder count and size of the partition is not precise enough --
> you've got fractional cylinders.
>
> hth
>
> A
>


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Re: KQemu on Debian Testing

[Felipe Sateler]

Amit Joshi wrote:

>> debian:/usr/src# module-assistant install kqemu-source
>> Selecting previously deselected package kqemu-modules-2.6.17-2-686.
>> (Reading database ... 72137 files and directories currently installed.)
>> Unpacking kqemu-modules-2.6.17-2-686 (from
>> .../kqemu-modules-2.6.17-2-686_1.3.0~pre9-2+2.6.17-9_i386.deb) ... dpkg:
>> dependency problems prevent configuration of kqemu-modules-2.6.17-2-686:
>> kqemu-modules-2.6.17-2-686 depends on qemu (>= 0.8.2); however:
>>   Version of qemu on system is 0.8.1-1.
>> dpkg: error processing kqemu-modules-2.6.17-2-686 (--install):
>>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured

Here is the thing. You need to update your qemu.


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Re: partitions

[michael]

> On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 06:38:30PM -, michael wrote:
>> > I'm not sure if I'm messed up here but all advice welcome:
>> >
>> >  I
>> >  used the WinXP setup CD to delete existing WinXP 32Gb partition,
>> >  created
>> >  2 new 16Gb partitions, then made some spare space at end a new
>> >  partition
>> >  too (it may have been 2 new partitions). WinXP installed okay into
>> one
>> > of the partitions (didn't create a
>> >  filesys on the others).
>> >
>> >  but then it seemed had to change from hda3 to hda6 to boot Debian and
>> > then when do gpart/parted it gives a
>> >  smaller no.
>> >  of partitions than the XP setup made and has a couple with same
>> >  starting
>> >  point (byte? cylinder?)
>> >
>> > I then deleted the new partitions (leaving WinXP in the new but
>> smaller
>> > partition) but still Debian (eg parted) only sees 3 partitions and two
>> > of them start in same place.
>> >
>> > Sorry for lack of details - will write them down and post later today
>> >
>> >
>> here are the details from fdisk, sfdisk and mount respectively:
>> Disk /dev/hda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
>> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders
>> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
>>
>>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
>> /dev/hda1   *   12081167156017  HPFS/NTFS
>> /dev/hda24178   1459283658487+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
>> /dev/hda54178835433551721b  W95 FAT32
>>
>> Command (m for help):
>>
>>
>>
>> Disk /dev/hda: 14593 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track
>> Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from
>> 0
>>
>>Device Boot Start End   #cyls#blocks   Id  System
>> /dev/hda1   *  0+   20802081-  167156017  HPFS/NTFS
>> /dev/hda2   4177   14591   10415   83658487+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
>>  start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1)
>
> I don't like this warning or its repeat below. if you haven't yet
> installed deb, you might try rebuilding the partition table from the
> installer, or a live CD. You SHOULD be able to do so without affecting
> the ntfs partition, so long as you don't try to resize it (Though that
> works now too). having said that, the data above from fdisk looks all
> fine.
>
>> /dev/hda3  0   -   0  00  Empty
>> /dev/hda4  0   -   0  00  Empty
>> /dev/hda5   4177+   83534177-  33551721b  W95 FAT32
>>  start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,1,1)
>> /dev/hda6   8354   139555602   44998065   83  Linux
>>  start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1)
>>
>>
>> /dev/hda6 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
>> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
>> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
>> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
>> usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw)
>> /dev/hda5 on /data type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
>

Sorry, should have stated explicitly, that I had Debian & WinXP installed,
then deleted 32Gb WinXP partition leaving Debian as is. Then used WinXP
setup CD to create 2 new 16Gb partitions, in one of which I installed a
new WinXP

> your / is mounted on hda6 because 1) you've got a fat32 partition on
> hda5 AND they are both logical partitions, not physical
> partitions. logical partitions start their numbering at 5 and go up
> from there.
>
> you questioned the '+' and '-' symbols in the partition tables. I
> believe that merely refers to "a little bigger" or "a little smaller"
> than the number listed. it is merely because the units used to display
> the cylinder count and size of the partition is not precise enough --
> you've got fractional cylinders.
>
> hth
>
> A
>


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Re: xorg 7.1.1 upgrade problem

[Wayne Topa]

Sven Arvidsson([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> > Took me a few days but finally got the 100+Meg update completed and
> > now find I don't have a working X anymore.  Actually it 'might' be
> > working but I can't see it working because the screen is black but
> > the log shows..
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A few suggestions, apologies in advance if you already have tried 
> all this... :-) 
> 
> Can you provide the full log from X?
> 

Log from a user starting X with xserver-xorg-video-tseng

xauth:  creating new authority file /home/wtopa/.serverauth.6003

X Window System Version 7.1.1
Release Date: 12 May 2006
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1
Build Operating System: UNKNOWN
Current Operating System: Linux buddy.mtntop.home 2.6.15y #6 Sun Jul 2 23:10:23 
EDT 2006 i686
Build Date: 07 July 2006
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Sun Dec 10 16:11:38 2006
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: 
_glapi_Dispatch
(EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so
(EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (loader failed, 7)
xkb_keycodes { include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)" };
xkb_types{ include "complete" };
xkb_compatibility{ include "complete" };
xkb_symbols  { include "pc(pc104)+us" };
xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc104)" };
BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x23, depth 16

NOTE: There 'was' an error "(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable".
I was advised to add
Section "ServerFlags"
Option  "AIGLX" "off"
EndSEction
at the end of the xorg.config.  That removed the error message.
-


log from root starting with xserver-xorg-video-tseng
-
xauth:  creating new authority file /root/.serverauth.10706
xauth: (stdin):2:  unknown command "b1a7854ea2cf0023f25ce4489bf13847"

X Window System Version 7.1.1
Release Date: 12 May 2006
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1
Build Operating System: UNKNOWN
Current Operating System: Linux buddy 2.6.18-3-k7 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 17:23:11 UTC 
2006 i686
Build Date: 07 July 2006
Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Dec 11 13:21:51 2006
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

xkb_keycodes { include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)" };
xkb_types{ include "complete" };
xkb_compatibility{ include "complete" };
xkb_symbols  { include "pc(pc105)+us" };
xkb_geometry { include "pc(pc104)" };
Failed to read: session.tabs
Setting default value
Failed to read: session.ignoreBorder
Setting default value
Failed to read: session.forcePseudoTransparency
Setting default value
Failed to read: session.numLayers
Setting default value
Failed to read: session.tabPadding
Setting default value
---
These Failed to read: messages continue for 3-4 pages

NOTE:  The monitor power LEd changes to yellow (standby) when configured
to use the tseng driver.

> Do you think this is similar to bug 394687[0]?
> 
I thought not but now I wonder.  I had the line "VideoRam4096" in
the conf when the above errors happened.  Which worked with xorg 7.0.
I just commented it out and now the driver fails with

(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Mon Dec 11 13:51:01 2006
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"

(EE) TSENG(0): No valid modes found
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.

Fatal server error:
no screens found
--

Not like 394687, but it does seem that the ramdac has something to do
with the failure.

> Have you tried to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and see if it helps?
> (Make a backup copy of xorg.conf first!) I seem to remember having
> to do so after after an X upgrade some time ago. 

Yes, many times with many changes but it did not help.

> Have you tried reconfiguring X to use the vesa driver for the time 
> being?

{Blush} No.  It never occured to me.  I just tried it and I do have an
ugly X now though.  :-)  Thanks for the reminder!!!
> 
> Have you considered contacting / filing a bug with upstream directly
> about this? Try Bugzilla[1] or their mailing list[2].

I sent t

Re: Greetings and a minor rave!!

[Peter Colton]

hello andy,

A document that is very handy " Debian Reference "
" apt-get install debian-reference-en "
link for file brower : /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/reference.en.html


regards : peter colton


On Monday 11 December 2006 19:08, andy wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I'm new to Debian - having run Slackware solidly since 8.1 I have become
> used to particular ways of maintaining my machine and also became used
> to a certasin belt-&-braces mentality. I loved Slackware, found
> tremendous respect for the stable way Pat Volkerding put it together and
> maintained it over the years.
> So, this is my first venture forth into Debian and using Etch with Gnome
> as my DE, with 1Gb RAM, a P4 processor and 200Gb HDD I am feeling well
> equipped to ride the obvious and demonstrable pleasures that GNU/Linux
> Debian Etch brings the user. This is *so* very cool.
>
> Well done any developers who read this - thanks for building this: this
> is a rush!! I love apt-get and how stable the system seems to be, and
> responsive too. I am still on a very steep learning curve, so would
> welcome anyone's steer in terms of learning how to optimise my system
> and good documentation for a Debian-n00b.
>
> I am seriously impressed with this system and just wanted to introduce
> myself. Lots to learn - lots of fun to be had: this is what computing
> was meant to be ...
>
> wheee  :D


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dist-upgrade removing current kernel

[Paul Yeatman]

Hi, I did some searching on this in the archive and found some stuff
but nothing that fully satisfies me.  When a new minor 2.6 kernel
revision, 2.6.17, was available for Etch, an "aptitude dist-upgrade"
wanted to install this new kernel AND remove my 2.6.16 kernel revision
(which understandably was my most recent kernel version and the one I
was currently booted to).  I tried a few things to get aptitude to just
leave my 2.6.16 kernel alone such as

aptitude hold linux-image-2.6.16-2-k7

but a "dist-upgrade" seemed to ignore/override this.  When I couldn't
come up with a quick way to have it leave my 2.6.16 kernel alone, I
eventually booted to a different kernel revision and let 'aptitude
dist-upgrade' do as it wanted, ie. uninstall my 2.6.16 kernel revision.
Now, I'm experiencing the identical situation with the recently
released 2.6.18 kernel revision for Etch.  I'm perfectly happy with the
package manager leaving my currently installed kernels alone while
simultaneously adding newer kernel versions and releases.  If I want to
remove old kernels at some point, I'll do so explicitely.  Anyone have
any ideas for me?

Thanks,

Paul

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Re: Problem installing packages with apt-get, aptitude and dselect

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 09:49:20PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 11:21:04PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > well, you answered your own question, but here's what I do.
> > 
> > mostly I ignore anyhting marked as . Anything marked as
> >  (or other things, are there others?) I review carefully to
> 
> IIRC, there was a post on debian-devel where anything marked as 
> does not necessarily mean it was resolved/fixed. Something to do with
> version tracking in apt-listbugs, although I've never been bitten by
> ignoring anything marked as .

yeah. I'm just for the first time seeing that with this apt
bug. yesterday apt-listbugs showed it as  in version 0.6.46.4 but the
candidate was still 0.6.46.3. of course now we've caught up and
0.6.46.4 is the candidate. 

So I've never been bitten by a  either, but one must actually
read the thing and see what's going on.

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Greetings and a minor rave!!

[andy]

Hi all

I'm new to Debian - having run Slackware solidly since 8.1 I have become 
used to particular ways of maintaining my machine and also became used 
to a certasin belt-&-braces mentality. I loved Slackware, found 
tremendous respect for the stable way Pat Volkerding put it together and 
maintained it over the years.
So, this is my first venture forth into Debian and using Etch with Gnome 
as my DE, with 1Gb RAM, a P4 processor and 200Gb HDD I am feeling well 
equipped to ride the obvious and demonstrable pleasures that GNU/Linux 
Debian Etch brings the user. This is *so* very cool.


Well done any developers who read this - thanks for building this: this 
is a rush!! I love apt-get and how stable the system seems to be, and 
responsive too. I am still on a very steep learning curve, so would 
welcome anyone's steer in terms of learning how to optimise my system 
and good documentation for a Debian-n00b.


I am seriously impressed with this system and just wanted to introduce 
myself. Lots to learn - lots of fun to be had: this is what computing 
was meant to be ...


wheee  :D


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configuring? kernel and header source

[ChadDavis]

Hello.

I'm trying to install a nvidia driver and have run into some issues
with getting the installer to locate my header sources.

I'm running etch if it matters.

I've installed the linux-source and linux-headers packages for my
kernel with apt-get.  Yet, the installer still says it can't find a
header file that it needs and suggest that I need to "configure" my
source.  What does this mean?  Is there some configuration tasks to be
done with installing source?  I couldn't find any documentation of
such.


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Re: Samba mountpoint hangs after server crash

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 10:25:30AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> We have some trouble with samba together with a flaky windows NT 4.0 
> Server: Quite often the server crashes and can't be reached again until it 
> is rebooted. We mount some smb shares from that server and when the server 
> crashes, we can't access the shares until root unmounts and remounts these 
> shares.
> 
> This is a bit annoying, since root is not always available and has better 
> things to do then remounting smb shares ;) I know, the best thing would be 
> to fix the server, but nobody maintains this old machine...
> 
> Does the bug that is mentioned in the manpage "Mounts  sometimes stop 
> working. ..." strike here ? I don't think so, because the mountpoint 
> doesn't stop just like that, but because the server dies.

well, how heavily used are these mounts? maybe automount with a really
short time-out would work for you. automount would quickly umount the
shares when they aren't used thereby limiting the problem to those
times when the server crashes while someone is using the smb share.

or have root script something that checks for the presence of the
server and when its down, umounts all the shares, emails someone to
reboot the thing and then when it sees it back up, restarts the
mounts.

A


> 
> Some additional data:
> Distribution: Debian testing
> Kernel: 2.6.17-2-686
> 
> dpkg -l smb\*
> ii  smbclient  3.0.23d-1  a 
> LanManager-like simple client for Unix
> ii  smbfs  3.0.23d-1  mount and umount 
> commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x)
> 
> log.smbmount shortly after the server failed:
> [2006/12/09 06:26:33, 1] libsmb/cliconnect.c:cli_connect(1369)
>   Error connecting to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (Keine Route zum Zielrechner)
> [2006/12/09 06:26:33, 0] client/smbmount.c:do_connection(155)
>   23909: Connection to server failed
> [2006/12/09 06:27:03, 1] libsmb/cliconnect.c:cli_connect(1369)
>   Error connecting to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (Keine Route zum Zielrechner)
> [2006/12/09 06:27:03, 0] client/smbmount.c:do_connection(155)
>   969: Connection to server failed
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Markus Grunwald
> Softwareentwicklung
> 
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> Oskar-Messter-Straße 19-21
> 85737 Ismaning
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Re: partitions

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 06:38:30PM -, michael wrote:
> > I'm not sure if I'm messed up here but all advice welcome:
> >
> >  I
> >  used the WinXP setup CD to delete existing WinXP 32Gb partition,
> >  created
> >  2 new 16Gb partitions, then made some spare space at end a new
> >  partition
> >  too (it may have been 2 new partitions). WinXP installed okay into one
> > of the partitions (didn't create a
> >  filesys on the others).
> >
> >  but then it seemed had to change from hda3 to hda6 to boot Debian and
> > then when do gpart/parted it gives a
> >  smaller no.
> >  of partitions than the XP setup made and has a couple with same
> >  starting
> >  point (byte? cylinder?)
> >
> > I then deleted the new partitions (leaving WinXP in the new but smaller
> > partition) but still Debian (eg parted) only sees 3 partitions and two
> > of them start in same place.
> >
> > Sorry for lack of details - will write them down and post later today
> >
> >
> here are the details from fdisk, sfdisk and mount respectively:
> Disk /dev/hda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> 
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/hda1   *   12081167156017  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/hda24178   1459283658487+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
> /dev/hda54178835433551721b  W95 FAT32
> 
> Command (m for help):
> 
> 
> 
> Disk /dev/hda: 14593 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track
> Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0
> 
>Device Boot Start End   #cyls#blocks   Id  System
> /dev/hda1   *  0+   20802081-  167156017  HPFS/NTFS
> /dev/hda2   4177   14591   10415   83658487+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
>   start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1)

I don't like this warning or its repeat below. if you haven't yet
installed deb, you might try rebuilding the partition table from the
installer, or a live CD. You SHOULD be able to do so without affecting
the ntfs partition, so long as you don't try to resize it (Though that
works now too). having said that, the data above from fdisk looks all fine.

> /dev/hda3  0   -   0  00  Empty
> /dev/hda4  0   -   0  00  Empty
> /dev/hda5   4177+   83534177-  33551721b  W95 FAT32
>   start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,1,1)
> /dev/hda6   8354   139555602   44998065   83  Linux
>   start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1)
> 
> 
> /dev/hda6 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
> usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw)
> /dev/hda5 on /data type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)


your / is mounted on hda6 because 1) you've got a fat32 partition on
hda5 AND they are both logical partitions, not physical
partitions. logical partitions start their numbering at 5 and go up
from there. 

you questioned the '+' and '-' symbols in the partition tables. I
believe that merely refers to "a little bigger" or "a little smaller"
than the number listed. it is merely because the units used to display
the cylinder count and size of the partition is not precise enough --
you've got fractional cylinders. 

hth

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Re: sarge->etch upgrade hits dependency hell

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 08:51:39AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 07:38:37PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > 
> > why don't you boot sarge, chroot into etch and install a kernel from
> > inside the chroot? I think udev wants a kernel >= 2.6.15, IIRC.
> 
> Interesting possibility.  I've avoided doing much with chroot, because 
> I'm never sure how much is taken from the old environment, and how much 
> from the new.  For example, there is the warning about replacing a 
> running kernel -- which I suppose I might get in a chroot without it 
> being a problem.  But am I sure?

as I understand it (very limited understanding here), the chroot knows
nothing about the rest of the system, but has access to the hardware
etc. So in the chroot environment you would have access to the sarge
network. This procedure is detailed in the debian docs [1]. You
probably WON'T get the replacing a running kernel in the chroot, but
if you do, you can safely ignore it, IMO.

> 
> Just how much is it possible to do in a chroot?

everything, except mess with the system the chroot is running within,
unless you give it permission to. Lots of stuff gets run in chroots
for security reasons -- web servers, mail servers, user's shell
accounts etc. Its a decent way to segregate tasks while protecting the
main system. note my disclaimer above.

> 
> Is it, for example, possible to do an entire Debian install in a
> chroot?

yes [1].

> so that existing users of the system don't have to care while you 
> install a complete new system in another partition?
> 

:) [1].

enjoy

A
 
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Re: partitions

[michael]

> I'm not sure if I'm messed up here but all advice welcome:
>
>  I
>  used the WinXP setup CD to delete existing WinXP 32Gb partition,
>  created
>  2 new 16Gb partitions, then made some spare space at end a new
>  partition
>  too (it may have been 2 new partitions). WinXP installed okay into one
> of the partitions (didn't create a
>  filesys on the others).
>
>  but then it seemed had to change from hda3 to hda6 to boot Debian and
> then when do gpart/parted it gives a
>  smaller no.
>  of partitions than the XP setup made and has a couple with same
>  starting
>  point (byte? cylinder?)
>
> I then deleted the new partitions (leaving WinXP in the new but smaller
> partition) but still Debian (eg parted) only sees 3 partitions and two
> of them start in same place.
>
> Sorry for lack of details - will write them down and post later today
>
>
here are the details from fdisk, sfdisk and mount respectively:
Disk /dev/hda: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *   12081167156017  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hda24178   1459283658487+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hda54178835433551721b  W95 FAT32

Command (m for help):



Disk /dev/hda: 14593 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track
Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0

   Device Boot Start End   #cyls#blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *  0+   20802081-  167156017  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hda2   4177   14591   10415   83658487+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1)
/dev/hda3  0   -   0  00  Empty
/dev/hda4  0   -   0  00  Empty
/dev/hda5   4177+   83534177-  33551721b  W95 FAT32
start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,1,1)
/dev/hda6   8354   139555602   44998065   83  Linux
start: (c,h,s) expected (1023,254,63) found (1023,0,1)


/dev/hda6 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
usbdevfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbdevfs (rw)
/dev/hda5 on /data type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)




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Re: sarge->etch upgrade hits dependency hell

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 08:57:03AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 07:38:37PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > 
> > why don't you boot sarge, chroot into etch and install a kernel from
> > inside the chroot? I think udev wants a kernel >= 2.6.15, IIRC.
> 
> Actually, it turns out that aptitude *&had* managed to install the new 
> kernel -- it just hadn't put it into the boot menu -- a probelm easily 
> fixed from the sarge system.

great!

> 
> I now have an etch with networking, which I can use aptitude on, but 
> whose X doesn't come up properly.  startx brings me to the black screen 
> of death, xdm permits me to enter username and password, blanks the 
> screen as if it is doing something, and then returns to its login 
> screen.  gdm doesn't even get to login -- it just gives the black screen 
> of death.
> 
> I looks as if I will have to investigate another day -- my regular users 
> are showing up.

one step at a time eh? of course you nkow the drill, post the X logs.

good luck

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Re: spamassassin

[Ollie Acheson]

On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 05:45:06PM -0500, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> Hello.  I installed sylpheed-claws-spamassassin, and read what I could 
> find on it, and on spamassassin, on my computer.  Alas, Sylpheed-claws 
> is not picking up any of the spam. 
> 
> I tried starting spamassassin, but get this message:
> 
> debian:/home/mark# /etc/init.d/spamassassin start
> SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: disabled, see /etc/default/spamassassin
> debian:/home/mark# locate /etc/default/spamassassin
> debian:/home/mark#
> 

Under debian, /etc/default/spamassassin sets the ENABLE variable to
"0" which disables it. This leads to the message you quoted above. The
idea is that you don't want the daemon starting up until you take the
time to read the docs and set the configuration files appropriately.
Once that is done, you change to ENABLE='1'. 

/etc/init.d/spamassassin start should then work.

The configuration files are discussed in /usr/share/doc/spamassassin
as well as in the on-line documentation.

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Re: sarge->etch upgrade hits dependency hell

[Nigel Henry]

On Monday 11 December 2006 14:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 07:38:37PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 09:04:13AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, after the mass upgrade yesterday, the system now boots
> > > without either a functioning X or a functioning net.  udev complains
> > > that it doesn't have a recent enough kernel, which may be part of the
> > > problem (no /dev/eth*, for example).  So the next step seems to be to
> > > find out how to tell my apt-sources file to look at an etch-install
> > > CDROM (will the netinstall CD suffice for this, or do I actually have
> > > to get the first CD of the 15-odd CD set?) as a package-source and then
> > > upgrade the kernel.
> >
> > why don't you boot sarge, chroot into etch and install a kernel from
> > inside the chroot? I think udev wants a kernel >= 2.6.15, IIRC.
>
> Actually, it turns out that aptitude *&had* managed to install the new
> kernel -- it just hadn't put it into the boot menu -- a probelm easily
> fixed from the sarge system.
>
> I now have an etch with networking, which I can use aptitude on, but
> whose X doesn't come up properly.  startx brings me to the black screen
> of death, xdm permits me to enter username and password, blanks the
> screen as if it is doing something, and then returns to its login
> screen.  gdm doesn't even get to login -- it just gives the black screen
> of death.
>
> I looks as if I will have to investigate another day -- my regular users
> are showing up.
>
> -- hendrik
>
> > A

Hi Hendrik. I had problems with X on Etch, but this was originally installed 
from Woody cdroms. Anyway, adding a couple of modules to /etc/modules fixed 
the problem for me. See below.

mousedev
psmouse

Worth a try.

Nigel.


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Re: bulk mailer

[Dave Sherohman]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 07:50:07AM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> I found in the Debian archive a package named "libmail-bulkmail-perl".

The "lib" at the start means it's a library.  You haven't installed a
program, you've installed a collection of predefined functions which can
be used to write your own programs (in Perl, as indicated by the "-perl"
at the end).

Unless you're looking to write your own mailing list management
software, I suggest installing Mailman and using that if you need a
full-featured mailing list system.  (If you can get by with just a simple
redirector, you could use an alias (in /etc/aliases) or a dummy account
with a .forward file containing all the list members' addresses, but
either of those options would probably be more work in the long run than
using Mailman.)

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Re: KQemu on Debian Testing

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello David.

David Baron, 11.12.2006 15:21:
>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 11:15:35PM +0530, Amit Joshi wrote:
>>> I recently installed Qemu, and later found out from the documentation
>>> that I need to install KQemu too..for that acceleration thingy.
> 
> Did not know this was distributed on Debian. This is, of course, stated as 
> proprietary. Less than non-free if you read his conditions.
> 
> What needs be in sources.list to see this?

You need testing/non-free or unstable/non-free.


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Re: spamassassin

[Dave Sherohman]

On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 05:45:06PM -0500, Mark Grieveson wrote:
> I tried starting spamassassin, but get this message:
> 
> debian:/home/mark# /etc/init.d/spamassassin start
> SpamAssassin Mail Filter Daemon: disabled, see /etc/default/spamassassin
> debian:/home/mark# locate /etc/default/spamassassin

Why are you using locate when you have the full path?  What does

ls /etc/default/spamassassin

have to say?

Also, you are aware that `/etc/init.d/spamassassin start` starts the
spamd daemon, but you can also run /usr/bin/spamassassin on demand
without needing the daemon at all, right?  From your description of your
overall setup (no public SMTP service, just collecting messages
periodically from a POP3 mailbox), you're probably better off not using
the daemon since there are security risks inherent in using it (see
/usr/share/doc/spamassassin/README.spamd.gz for discussion of them) and
you aren't likely to need the performance benefits or concurrent message
handling abilities that it provides.

Note that, although I've run spamassassin for several years, I have
never done anything with sylpheed-claws.  But your use of it seems
unlikely to affect any of what I've said about spamassassin.

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Re: what's the killer app for GNU/Linux systems?

[Dave Sherohman]

On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 01:00:04PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 12/10/06 12:41, Nate Duehr wrote:
> > Roll through any stop signs without coming to a full and complete stop
> > in your car lately?  You broke the law.  Anyone see it (or care)?
> > 
> > Just like everything in life, the stakes may be high or low.  If you did
> > it in an empty intersection at 2AM... that's a different level of risk
> > than doing it in plain view of a peace officer in rush-hour traffic.

> No wonder civilized society is crashing down around our necks.

Civilization is doomed because people are intelligently adapting to the
situation around them rather than relying on blind obedience to
authority?  I suspect your definition of "civilization" may be somewhat
different than mine if that's what you mean.

(For the record, though, I'm a stickler about stop signs.  And full
stops before making a right turn on red, to the frequent annoyance of
people behind me.  Speed limits, on the other hand...)

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Re: LVM over raid : extent size calculation

[Mike Bird]

On Monday 11 December 2006 07:57, Tim Post wrote:
> My question is , what is the correct way to calculate the physical
> extent size of a volume group relative to the size of the array?

From man vgcreate:

  If the volume group metadata uses lvm1 format, extents can  vary
  in  size  from 8KB to 16GB and there is a limit of 65534 extents
  in each logical volume.  The default of 4 MB leads to a  maximum
  logical volume size of around 256GB.

  If the volume group metadata uses lvm2 format those restrictions
  do not apply, but having a large number  of  extents  will  slow
  down the tools but have no impact on I/O performance to the log‐
  ical volume.  The smallest PE is 1KB.

It's a tradeoff.  If you use smaller extents you may not be able
to grow beyond a certain size in LVM1 and even if you convert to
LVM2 some tools (but not normal usage) may be slow.  OTOH, if you
use larger extents you waste some space if you have lots of small
logical volumes.

FWIW, I have always used 32MB extents.

--Mike Bird

Re: xorg 7.1.1 upgrade problem

[Sven Arvidsson]

> Took me a few days but finally got the 100+Meg update completed and
> now find I don't have a working X anymore.  Actually it 'might' be
> working but I can't see it working because the screen is black but
> the log shows..

Hi,

A few suggestions, apologies in advance if you already have tried 
all this... :-) 

Can you provide the full log from X?

Do you think this is similar to bug 394687[0]?

Have you tried to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and see if it helps?
(Make a backup copy of xorg.conf first!) I seem to remember having
to do so after after an X upgrade some time ago. 

Have you tried reconfiguring X to use the vesa driver for the time 
being?

Have you considered contacting / filing a bug with upstream directly
about this? Try Bugzilla[1] or their mailing list[2].

I hope one of the above suggestions can help,

0. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394687
1. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/
2. http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg


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Re: opening ports

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 08:28:16AM +0100, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Bruce:
> > 
> > 1) How would I open ftp ports after doing an apt-get install proftpd?
> 
> On Debian, all ports are "open" by default (but there are not many
> services listening, so it doesn't matter). If a service is being
> installed, it can be assumed that it should actually be available. FTP
> uses ports 20 and 21 (tcp), so if Ubuntu has some iptables rules
> effective by default, you should make exceptions for these ports.

Actually they are called "closed" if no service is listening and "open"
when some service (daemon) is listening. The ports protected by a
firewall are sometimes called "filtered" (by nmap) or "stealth" (by
some Windows firewalls).

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Re: /dev/md0 don't start after controller change

[michael]

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:56:39 +0100, Andrea Ganduglia wrote
> 
> pro:~# mdadm --detail --scan
> ARRAY /dev/md1 level=raid5 num-devices=5 spares=1
> UUID=04a39ca8:0f07922a:5eb2e3a1:851b13b9
>devices=/dev/sda2,/dev/sdf2,/dev/sdd2,/dev/sdc2,/dev/sde2,
> /dev/sdb2 
> ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=5 
> UUID=fc7dc246:3f029459:8ede4b05:519a9a8f
>devices=/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1,/dev/sdc1


Your md0 doesn't seem right.
The scan shows a 5 device raid 5, and yet only 3 show up.
Perhaps partitions from sdd and sde need to be re-added as well?




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LVM over raid : extent size calculation

[Tim Post]

Hello to all, 

I'm going to do some playing (and heavy testing) with LVM over MD raid.
I want to try abusing several types of arrays with several types of file
systems so I have data handy should I ever need to use it.

I want to see which types of FS's are likely to fail in this setting
under heavy abuse circumstances such as intentionally flooding inodes,
unclean reboots.. as far as I can go without actually risking hardware
itself. I also want to test a few types of cluster file systems (namely
ocfs2).

My question is , what is the correct way to calculate the physical
extent size of a volume group relative to the size of the array?

Obviously the physical extent size is going to have to be (much) greater
than the default for large arrays.

For instance, lets say /dev/md4 has been setup as raid5 and totals ...
800 GB. How would I determine the physical extent size to pass to
vgcreate? Am I going to run into issues over-sizing it?

Is there a mb per GB of space in the array ratio to follow, or some
other way to calculate this?

Many thanks in advance!

-Tim


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Re: Hardware: Dynex DX-M300 USB external modem works OK?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Douglas Tutty wrote:

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 05:07:15PM -0500, rs wrote:


 --- On Fri 12/08, Greg Folkert wrote:

If you want a USB POTS Modem, get a USB Serial Port dongle, then get a
Fully Serial Modem. It is very tough to make an External modem with a
(real) Serial port a "Winmodem" and still be capable of v.92.

By "Fully Serial Modem" you mean a modem that connects ONLY through a serial 
port?

Thanks a lot for your help.
 


The gold standard by which other lesser modems are compared is the USR
(or for a while 3Com) Courier V.Everything external serial.

I picked one up on eBay with a warranty and power cube for $49 USD.
You can get them with various warranties for less on eBay but since
shipping is shipping...  (also the one I bought was in Canada as am I so
I didn't have to worry about customs brokerage fees).  Manuals are
available on the USR web site (just google for Courier "Command
Reference" )

New, they go here for $350.

Lesser external modems may also work depending on the quality and smarts
you want.  It has to have on-board smarts and not mention anything about
'winmodem'.  Note: the courier docs also talk about installing drivers
but they are not true drivers but an install wizzard thingy that windows
needs that linux doesn't.

Your best bet when getting any hardware is to get, in writing if need
be, assurance that if it doesn't work with your linux you can return it
for a full __refund__, not just a store credit.



On Oct. 18 my ISP, att.net.mx, would no longer connect thru my 
USRobotics 56K External Serial modem.


Discussions with technicians, who insisted on only talking from a M$ OS, 
solved nothing.


My hunch, based on a new "sound" in the dialup process was that they 
added V.92 protocol which the modem would not recognize.


So I bought this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16825137104
for $24, 1/4 of the price of the old one that I bought here in Mexico 4 
years ago.



Solved the problem. I based the decision on a review that said the OP is 
using it on Linux.


Before the new modem arrived I used Telmex as ISP. Their service is the 
*pits*, lots of SIGHUP's, very slow. And guess what? You cannot 
cancel your subscription. Cancellations not allowed. There is a reason 
that the owner is the richest man in Mexico.


Hugo



















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