Re: strange /etc/network/interfaces behaviour

[x_debian-user_x]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:35:39PM +0300, Mario Spinthiras wrote:

> Possible ifupdown bug?

Yes it doesn't sound right to me either.  If you do not receive any
further replies then I suggest to file a bug report against ifupdown.

Otherwise post your entire /etc/network/interfaces verbatim in case
someone can spot an error.


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Re: strange /etc/network/interfaces behaviour

[Star Liu]

I'm a newbie, so i cannot help you understand it. i just talk about some
experience. if the pc use static ip, the router should not provide dhcp
service to keep consistent. i once used a dhcp router and a static
configured network card, it doesn't work.

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Mario Spinthiras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I recently setup a server which I had originally assigned a DHCP
> address from the interfaces file using the line "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
> . After I had put the machine on the rack I simply changed the
> addressing to static and restarted the networking. This all went well
> for a while. Today the machine had lost its power feed and as a result
> the machine was offline for a while.
> When the machine came back up (power) , it got an address by DHCP
> though the settings in the interfaces file said static with all
> relevant addressing. This is not something new to me , I have dealt
> with Linux machines for almost 10 years now. I just cannot seem to
> understand why it did this. Checking the interfaces file again , the
> only thing I had seemed to forget is the broadcast 192.168.100.0
> directive which denotes the network number and nothing more.
>
> I have played with the way ifup parses this file and cannot seem to
> derive a bug of somekind. Here is a thought though. I believe the
> previously retrieved address from DHCP is cached somewhere (though Ive
> searched high and low for it) and when "something" triggers the
> parsing error , it goes back to that DHCP previously assigned address.
> Can I have your thoughts on this? Its extremely strange behavior and I
> cannot understand how a broadcast directive that was missing would
> cause this problem. Note that the addressing that is static and the
> DHCP assigned address are both in the same subnet. Is there a force
> feature of somekind that tells it to go DHCP in a certain "case" ?
>
> Possible ifupdown bug?
>
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Re: How to update bios to support 64-bit cpu in Debian?

[Star Liu]

thanks, using the amd64 cd, i can install now. :)

Re: [WORKS in Minefield]iceweasel 3: favicon while tab is loading

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Hi,


In sid's iceweasel 3 I notice a difference with iceweasel 2:

when a tab is loading the favicon shown would slowly rotate in version 
2, but in version 3 it stays stuck at the beginning.


Searching bugzilla.mozilla.org I find nothing under "favicon", but it 
clearly is a visible but minor bug.


Anybody else notice this behavior?



The latest FF3 nightly build apparently is called "minefield" and the 
favicon works correcly there.


Hugo


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Re: Total confusion with aptitude. Help, please!

[Daniel Burrows]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 02:44:58PM +, Alan Mackenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
was heard to say:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 07:57:45PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 07:22:24PM +, Alan Mackenzie <[EMAIL 
> > PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> 
> > > #Broken: 12  Will free 16.7MB of disk space DL Size: 6215kB
> 
> > > .  Using the aptitude command `find broken', it reports, amongst others,
> > > vim as being broken, giving as further details:
> 
> > >   * vim depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6)
> > >   * vim depends on libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5)
> > >   * vim depends on vim-runtime (= 1:7.0-122+1etch3)
> 
> > > However, vim works just fine (I'm using it to write this email).
> 
> >   First possible problem: aptitude uses "broken" as a shorthand for
> > "broken *after I apply what you've told me to do*".
> 
> Ah!  Thanks!

  Just to be a little more clear, you can find out exactly what aptitude
thinks by examining the status flags on the left-hand side of the package
list.  Normally packages have flags like this:

pi  package-name ...

  The two characters on the left say what the current (p) and planned (i)
states of the package are.  "p" here is for "purged" and "i" is for
"installed".  You can find a complete list in the online help; of
particular interest for you is the "B" state, "broken".  I bet that the
flags on "vim" were something like:

iB  vim ...

  which means that vim is currently installed, and will be broken by the
current set of planned actions.

> [  ]
> 
> > > #
> 
> > > So, I try to update aptitude itself (this will surely help me with my
> > > other problems ;-).  To begin with, I start aptitude, and type ":" on
> > > each of the 8 lines ("--- Security Updates", ., "--- Tasks") in the
> > > hope of clearing out dross.
> 
> >   btw, to upgrade just aptitude it might be easier to run
> > "aptitude install aptitude".
> 
> OK.  But I'm a coward.  Where in all the documentation would I find a
> statement that doing this won't irreversibly hose my system, especially
> when I'm scared that it's already in a fragile, possibly inconsistent
> state?

  I don't know if it's explicitly stated, but aptitude prompts if it has
to take any actions that you didn't ask for.  But if you don't trust it
(and I couldn't blame you at this point), you can always run it as a
non-root user and pass the "-s" flag to see what it would do.

> What, exactly, does "install" mean?

  "install" means "install the current candidate version of the
package".  It doesn't do anything else (other pending actions stored in
the state file are ignored).

  Now more information than you probably want. ;-)

  In the apt universe, there are three main versions of a package: the
"current version", which is currently installed, the "candidate version",
which is what would be installed if you asked for a package, and the
"install version", the version that is going to be installed by any
pending action.  Normally the install version is either the current or
the candidate version.

  In other words, you might have something like

   current version   candidate version   other versions
aptitude   0.2.15.3  0.4.4   0.4.11.5, 0.5.0
   ^
   |
   |
 install version

  The candidate version, btw, is chosen according to your current local
policy and preferences (see apt_preferences(5)).

  "Installing" aptitude, in apt lingo, would mean changing the install
to point at version 0.4.4.  Once the install was complete, both the
current and the candidate version would be 0.4.4.

  (I hope that's right, because it's the mental model I use. :-) )

> These aren't rhetorical questions.  I've looked in the aptitude man
> page (sarge version from 2005).  This is something I dislike about
> package managers - they demand complete trust on an all-or-nothing
> basis.  Or have I missed something?  What I would like is
> "test-download" facility that would prompt me for a directory, and
> put the new version of the package there WITHOUT TOUCHING MY CURRENT
> SETUP.  I could then make sure it works properly before committing
> myself to an irreversible and potentially catastrophic update.

  There are a couple things you could try:

(a) set up a chroot and install the new aptitude there to convince
yourself it works.
(b) use a checkpointing facility if your filesystem supports it.
e.g., if you have free extents you can run lvcreate --snapshot.

  I don't think these are very practical, though.  There isn't really a
good way to install packages into custom locations, though, or to roll
back entire systems (other than LVM snapshots, which I should add I've
never actually used).  My personal experience, though, is that the
Debian package management tools are very reliable and provide ample
opportunities to recover the situation on 

Fwd: Fail event on /dev/md0:phreaque

[s. keeling]

Hi.  I've been fiddling with a RAID5 on usb pendrives plugged into usb
hub.  Usually, it works great, but this doesn't tell me very much.
What do you wizards make of it, please?

Thanks,  appreciated.  :-)

It's Etch, btw.


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> 
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> 
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> 
> P.S. The /proc/mdstat file currently contains the following:
> 
> Personalities : [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] 
> [raid10] 
> md0 : active raid5 sdb1[3](F) sdc1[4](F) sda1[5](F)
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Re: How to Boot a Dell Optiplex 320?

[Kent West]

Chris Burkhardt wrote:



I may be misunderstanding, but when the grub menu comes up can you not
press 'e' to edit. If so select  kernel line and press 'e' again and
add option there. Hit the 'Return' key and then 'b' to boot.
No, there's not so much as a grub menu; it's like the grub menu has 
been pre-told which option to boot from, so there's no option for the 
user to over-ride the installer's choices. I was hoping someone knew 
a "hot-key" (like the left-shift (IIRC) in LILO when it's been 
instructed not to wait for user interaction) to bring the menu up.

Display the menu by pressing ESC before it boots:

http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#hiddenmenu



Ah, that looks like what I need. I'll be able to try it Monday.

Thanks!

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Re: off-line dictionary (gnome)

[Russell L. Harris]

* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080620 20:49]:
> In GNOME Dictionary Preferences, what dict server is it looking at?

edit -> preferences -> source = localhost

But no specifics are displayed.  The only way I have found to view or
add details is to click the "+add" button, whereupon the "add
dictionary source" dialogue box opens, with all the fields blank.  

But now and then I manage to find the right combination of clicks in
the dialogue box, whereupon parameters appear in the fields.  The
behaviour is inconsistent. 

I think that the package is broken.

RLH


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Re: Warning in syslog

[Ron Johnson]

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On 06/20/08 20:54, Frank McCormick wrote:
> 
> 
> I noticed this is my syslog today---what does driver 'sd' needs updating - 
> please use
> bus type methods mean ???

What does Google say?

> 
> Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [9.917343] hda: cache flushes not supported
> Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [9.919560] hda: cache flushes not supported
> Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.039926] Driver 'sd' needs updating - 
> please use bus_type methods

What kernel are you running?

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Warning in syslog

[Frank McCormick]

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I noticed this is my syslog today---what does driver 'sd' needs updating - 
please use
bus type methods mean ???



Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [9.917343] hda: cache flushes not supported
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [9.919560] hda: cache flushes not supported
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.039926] Driver 'sd' needs updating - 
please use bus_type methods
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.041497] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 7823360 
512-byte hardware sectors (4006 MB)
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.042246] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect 
is off
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.042298] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 23 
00 00 00
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.042303] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive 
cache: write through
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.045754] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 7823360 
512-byte hardware sectors (4006 MB)
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.046492] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect 
is off
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.046548] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 23 
00 00 00
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.046553] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Assuming drive 
cache: write through
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.046613] sda: sda1
Jun 20 21:44:38 debian kernel: [   10.047596] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI 
removable disk


Frank

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Re: off-line dictionary (gnome)

[Ron Johnson]

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On 06/20/08 20:13, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> I have complied with all the recommendations posted in this thread
> thus far, but Dictionary 2.14.0 still is going out to the web
> (dict.org ?) for definitions.  I know that this is so, because my DSL
> service went out a night or two ago, and I could not retrieve
> definitions.
> 
> Is there a reliable "offline dictionary howto" which has a
> comprehensive list of everything which needs to be installed and
> configured?

I only have this access list in my /etc/dictd/dictd.conf :
access {
allow localhost
allow 127.0.0.1
# this allows access only from local host
}

In GNOME Dictionary Preferences, what dict server is it looking at?

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Re: off-line dictionary (gnome)

[Russell L. Harris]

I have complied with all the recommendations posted in this thread
thus far, but Dictionary 2.14.0 still is going out to the web
(dict.org ?) for definitions.  I know that this is so, because my DSL
service went out a night or two ago, and I could not retrieve
definitions.

Is there a reliable "offline dictionary howto" which has a
comprehensive list of everything which needs to be installed and
configured?

RLH


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Re: configuring shell autologin

[Lee Glidewell]

On Friday 20 June 2008 12:20:12 am Mumia W.. wrote:
> On 06/20/2008 12:43 AM, Lee Glidewell wrote:
> > 
> > I have so far tried two autologin solutions: [ failed solutions snipped ]
>
> Try this instead:
>
> 13:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -l /usr/local/bin/auto-login.2 -n 38400 tty13
>
> ---auto-login.2---
> #!/bin/sh
> /bin/login -f lee
>
>
> If you experience problems with this, try removing the "-n" option. Then
> all you need to do is to press any character at the login
> prompt--followed by enter--and you're in as the user "lee."
>
> BTW, the 13th virtual console is accessed through RightAlt+F1

That did the trick (the -n option didn't work, though). Many thanks!

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Re: How to update bios to support 64-bit cpu in Debian?

[Star Liu]

thanks, i will try soon

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Dylan Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Try the amd64 disk. The IA64 disk is for Itanium CPUs, which are different
> from most 64-bit CPUs.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Star Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I have a intel dual-core cpu which supports 64-bit mode, and I want to
>> install a IA64 etch on it, so i burn the etch IA64 iso CD, but i cannot boot
>> from it! I guess it's caused by my bios not supporting 64-bit mode, it's a
>> ami bios v02.57 which has neither information about 64bit nor hyper
>> threading features, so i want to update the bios.
>> Is there any tool to update the ami bios on a msi motherboard in debian?
>> thanks!
>>
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Re: How to update bios to support 64-bit cpu in Debian?

[Ron Johnson]

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On 06/20/08 19:53, Star Liu wrote:
> I have a intel dual-core cpu which supports 64-bit mode, and I want to
> install a IA64 etch on it, so i burn the etch IA64 iso CD, but i cannot
> boot from it! I guess it's caused by my bios not supporting 64-bit mode,
> it's a ami bios v02.57 which has neither information about 64bit nor
> hyper threading features, so i want to update the bios.
> Is there any tool to update the ami bios on a msi motherboard in debian?
> thanks!

And no wonder: IA64 is a completely different CPU architecture than
what's in your box.  You need the amd64 ISO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD64
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IA64

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Re: How to update bios to support 64-bit cpu in Debian?

[Dylan Garrett]

Try the amd64 disk. The IA64 disk is for Itanium CPUs, which are different
from most 64-bit CPUs.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Star Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a intel dual-core cpu which supports 64-bit mode, and I want to
> install a IA64 etch on it, so i burn the etch IA64 iso CD, but i cannot boot
> from it! I guess it's caused by my bios not supporting 64-bit mode, it's a
> ami bios v02.57 which has neither information about 64bit nor hyper
> threading features, so i want to update the bios.
> Is there any tool to update the ami bios on a msi motherboard in debian?
> thanks!
>
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How to update bios to support 64-bit cpu in Debian?

[Star Liu]

I have a intel dual-core cpu which supports 64-bit mode, and I want to
install a IA64 etch on it, so i burn the etch IA64 iso CD, but i cannot boot
from it! I guess it's caused by my bios not supporting 64-bit mode, it's a
ami bios v02.57 which has neither information about 64bit nor hyper
threading features, so i want to update the bios.
Is there any tool to update the ami bios on a msi motherboard in debian?
thanks!

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Re: How to Boot a Dell Optiplex 320?

[Kent West]

Robin wrote:

2008/6/20 Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

Apparently the Dell Optiplex 320 is one odd piece of computer; the 'Net is
full of people having trouble installing Linux on it.




So I tried going the route of doing a network install via
http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com, but it installs grub and doesn't give me
any option to feed the "pci=nomsi" parameter (or any other similar
parameters); I've been unable to find a way to force this grub install to
let me add boot arguments.


I may be misunderstanding, but when the grub menu comes up can you not
press 'e' to edit. If so select  kernel line and press 'e' again and
add option there. Hit the 'Return' key and then 'b' to boot.

  


No, there's not so much as a grub menu; it's like the grub menu has been 
pre-told which option to boot from, so there's no option for the user to 
over-ride the installer's choices. I was hoping someone knew a "hot-key" 
(like the left-shift (IIRC) in LILO when it's been instructed not to 
wait for user interaction) to bring the menu up.



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Re: How to Boot a Dell Optiplex 320?

[Robin]

2008/6/20 Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Apparently the Dell Optiplex 320 is one odd piece of computer; the 'Net is
> full of people having trouble installing Linux on it. And I've just spent a
> day and a half trying to find a version of Windows that would install on it
> so I could update the BIOS to the most recent version, hoping that'd help.
>
> The best solution I've seen so far is to use this line at the installer's
> (Etch, I believe) LILO prompt:
>
> boot: install pci=nomsi
>
> That gets me farther than anything else I've tried, but when it tries to
> find the CD-ROM, it can't find the drive. (Apparently there's something
> really mucky about the SATA controller on this particular model of Dell.)
>
> So I tried going the route of doing a network install via
> http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com, but it installs grub and doesn't give me
> any option to feed the "pci=nomsi" parameter (or any other similar
> parameters); I've been unable to find a way to force this grub install to
> let me add boot arguments.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> (Wow! I never thought I'd consider a Dell to be absolute cr*p, but this is
> it.)
>
> Thanks!
>
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I may be misunderstanding, but when the grub menu comes up can you not
press 'e' to edit. If so select  kernel line and press 'e' again and
add option there. Hit the 'Return' key and then 'b' to boot.

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Re: cut and paste with the screen program

[Daniel Dalton]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 06:55:11AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> more specifically, use "ctrl-a [" to switch to  copy mode. Then use
> the cursor keys to move to the text you want to select. Use the spacebar
> to mark the beginning of the selection, cursor keys to move to the end of the

Thanks, that works.

Thx,

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Re: Root sending messages to users

[Ron Johnson]

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> 2008/6/21 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 20:20 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>> Additionally, should I have a dotan account on that machine I will
>>> habitually back it up, and always worry that there are files there
>>> that I need to know about, and set up the environment just how I like,
>>> and and and... I don't need any of that.
>> Isn't it possible to have a script that mounts your home directory from
>> a remote location automatically?
>>
> 
> Why would I do that? I am SSHing in from the machine with my home
> directory. In order to either put/get a file, or so sudo some
> administrative work.
>
> While I agree that every user of a machine should have his own home
> directory, I am not a user of that machine. I am an administrator
> (ha!) of that machine.

So what?  Since you don't use it that often, it won't matter that
it's not customized to the Nth degree.  Doing the right thing takes
just a fraction more effort than doing the right thing,

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Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

[Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso]

On 20/06/2008, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Motivate the people that you know to let the software houses know that
>  we want their software.

And we want it with freedom.

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Re: Root sending messages to users

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/21 Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 20:20 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> Additionally, should I have a dotan account on that machine I will
>> habitually back it up, and always worry that there are files there
>> that I need to know about, and set up the environment just how I like,
>> and and and... I don't need any of that.
>
> Isn't it possible to have a script that mounts your home directory from
> a remote location automatically?
>

Why would I do that? I am SSHing in from the machine with my home
directory. In order to either put/get a file, or so sudo some
administrative work.

While I agree that every user of a machine should have his own home
directory, I am not a user of that machine. I am an administrator
(ha!) of that machine.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: can't print from adobe reader

[Paul Cartwright]

On Fri June 20 2008, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > > > I changed it to custom. With my printer selected, it showed:
> > > > Status: lpq: Epson 880:unknown printer
> > > > with custom selected, the printer command showed:
> > > > /usr/bin/lp
>
> [...]
>
> > I changed it to custom and used /usr/bin/lpr as the command. It accepted
> > it, then did nothing. No error, but no print.
>
> You should also try
>
> /usr/bin/lpr -P EpsonR380
this failed:
unknown printer EpsonR380

> /usr/bin/lp -d EpsonR380

this worked!

Adobe needs to get with it and print to the standard CUPS system!!
thanks for the help.
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Re: Root sending messages to users

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> On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 20:20 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> Additionally, should I have a dotan account on that machine I will
>> habitually back it up, and always worry that there are files there
>> that I need to know about, and set up the environment just how I like,
>> and and and... I don't need any of that.
> 
> Isn't it possible to have a script that mounts your home directory from
> a remote location automatically?

Like, like... a filesystem over a network?

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Re: mixing unstable with testing just for nvidia: good practices?

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 13:02 -0400, H.S. wrote:

> Is this good enough for an "aptitude update" and "aptitude safe-upgrade" 
> such that only those package will be pulled from Unstable which are 
> necessary for nvidia related packages? Or should I now just remove the 
> unstable sources' repos from my sources.list file?

I really don't think it's a good idea to mix testing and unstable, ever.
Significant differences in libraries between unstable and testing
usually means that unstable is backwards compatable to testing packages,
but not vice versa.  And once you start pulling a lot of libraries from
unstable, especially libc, you might as well be running unstable to
begin with.

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Re: Root sending messages to users

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 20:20 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Additionally, should I have a dotan account on that machine I will
> habitually back it up, and always worry that there are files there
> that I need to know about, and set up the environment just how I like,
> and and and... I don't need any of that.

Isn't it possible to have a script that mounts your home directory from
a remote location automatically?

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Problems booting Debian on an external USB disk on a MacBook

[Peter Karlsson]

Hi!

I am trying to install Debian Lenny on my MacBook, by way of an external 
USB hard disk and Refit. I have followed the instructions given in 
http://ghaint.no-ip.org/~k2/debian/mbp-usb.html and succeeded in booting 
from the i386 net-install for Lenny Beta 2, created partitions and installed 
the system.


The problem is that I am unable to boot into the Linux system afterwards.

At the Refit prompt, I do get three OS icons (Mac OS, Windows and Linux). I 
have Mac OS and Windows installed on the internal harddisk, these boot fine.


The problem is that when I try to boot from the external disk, chosing the 
Linux icon, it boots into Windows anyway.


Does anyone have an idea on what I might be doing wrong?

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How to Boot a Dell Optiplex 320?

[Kent West]

Apparently the Dell Optiplex 320 is one odd piece of computer; the 'Net 
is full of people having trouble installing Linux on it. And I've just 
spent a day and a half trying to find a version of Windows that would 
install on it so I could update the BIOS to the most recent version, 
hoping that'd help.


The best solution I've seen so far is to use this line at the 
installer's (Etch, I believe) LILO prompt:


boot: install pci=nomsi

That gets me farther than anything else I've tried, but when it tries to 
find the CD-ROM, it can't find the drive. (Apparently there's something 
really mucky about the SATA controller on this particular model of Dell.)


So I tried going the route of doing a network install via 
http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com, but it installs grub and doesn't give 
me any option to feed the "pci=nomsi" parameter (or any other similar 
parameters); I've been unable to find a way to force this grub install 
to let me add boot arguments.


Anyone have any suggestions?

(Wow! I never thought I'd consider a Dell to be absolute cr*p, but this 
is it.)


Thanks!

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Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/20  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Couldn't agree more.  Unfortunately Michelle said that she needed the
> software "now".
> L
>

I was speaking in the general sense. Even if the company in question
cannot produce a 'today' solution, Michelle and others will benefit
from a 'next version' solution. The narrow-view of "it won't be now so
why bother" is exactly the reason that we are using an OS with 15
years of solid development in the kernel, yet relatively few
professional-grade third-party (non FSA || GNU) applications
available.

Motivate the people that you know to let the software houses know that
we want their software.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: New version of fglrx broke my system

[Gabriel Parrondo]

El vie, 20-06-2008 a las 19:29 +0200, Jonathan Kaye escribió:
> It installed with no problem and after rebooting (yes, I have to do 
> this; starting and stopping the the Xserver doesn't get the new driver
> working correctly) 

About this, have you ever tried this?:
1- Stop the X server;
2- 'rmmod fglrx';
4- Re-start X server

[...]
> 
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Re: New version of fglrx broke my system

[Gabriel Parrondo]

El vie, 20-06-2008 a las 19:29 +0200, Jonathan Kaye escribió:
> Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I've been googling for hours trying to figure out how to solve this
> > problem that arised from the last upgrade:
> > 
> > I use lenny and the fglrx driver. With the last upgrade all fglrx
> > packages were upgraded from version 8.4.1 to 8.5.1. As with every fglrx
> > upgrade, I used m-a to rebuild the kernel modules.
> > 
> > After that, "Switching user" from gnome (GDM) crashed the system to the
> > point that not even sysrq would work.
> > Other procedures, such as stopping gdm and starting it again had the
> > same results (restarting it didn't).
> > 
> > The worst part is that there's nothing in the logs, it just crashes the
> > whole system silently.
> > 
> > I tried the following stuff with no success:
> > - Purging every fglrx package, reinstall and rebuild modules.
> > - Disabling composite in xorg.conf.
> > - Building xorg.conf from scratch (with fglrx-control)
> > - Use the vesa driver: This actually solved the Switch User problem, but
> > created a lot of others.
> > 
> > My video card is an ATI Radeon HD2400 (which means that, until the
> > radeonhd driver is ready, I have to stick with fglrx).
> > 
> > 
> > Anyway, I just downgraded to 8.4.1 and am able to switch users again
> > (with some limitations, but that's another story). If anyone has any
> > clue on what the problem could be, please let me know.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > 
> Hi Gabriel,
> I'm also using Lenny and have an ATI Radeon 9550 graphics card. I use the
> proprietary drivers from the ATI website. A couple of days ago I downloaded
> version 8.6 of the ATI installer. I unpacked the fglrx debs from that using
> the --buildpkg switch and installed them and then ran m-a to build and
> install the module (I had removed the old one first). It installed with no
> problem and after rebooting (yes, I have to do this; starting and stopping
> the the Xserver doesn't get the new driver working correctly) everything
> has been working fine.
> 
> I'm a bit confused about version 8.5.1 of the driver. The one I installed
> was released about 2 days ago and (according to Catalyst) I have version
> 8.50.3 of the driver installed. Where did you download the driver from?

From the non-free debian repositories. Now that you mention it, checking
in the catalyst control center, I haver version 8.47.3.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy fglrx-driver
fglrx-driver:
  Instalados: 1:8-4-1
  Candidato: 1:8-5-1
  Tabla de versión:
 1:8-5-1 0
500 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/non-free Packages
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100 /var/lib/dpkg/status




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Re: mixing unstable with testing just for nvidia: good practices?

[owens]

> Florian Kulzer wrote:
>
>>
>> Both ntp and ntpdate are not in testing right now (a licensing issue
>> IIRC), so they have to come from unstable. When in doubt, use "apt-cache
>> policy ...":
>>
>> apt-cache policy ntp ntpdate
>>
>
> Thanks for the tip. To avoid such updates, I have removed the unstable
> sources from my sources.list for now. I think I will included it on a
> need by need basis (primarily for nvidia ... whenever that happens in
> Debian, and I am *not* holding my breath).
>
> regards.

There is of course OPENntp
L
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Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

[owens]

> 2008/6/20  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Did you write to the companies that provide the cheaper, XP-based
>>> solutions and tell them that you are interested in buying their
>>> software, but that you need a native Linux version? If we don't get
>>> off our butts and tell the companies that we exist, then we have no
>>> basis to complain when there is no suitable software available for
>>> Linux.
>>>
>>> To FOSS developers: Solidworks is the de-facto CAD software used in my
>>> country. Everybody uses it. I will donate to any project TWICE THE
>>> COST of a Solidworks license that develops and maintains a
>>> Solidworks-compatible alternative, for as long as I'm using the
>>> software. Solidworks-compatible means that I develop and can exchange
>>> documents with other Solidworks users with NO EXCUSES. I'm certain
>>> that you will find many other idiots like me who would be willing to
>>> donate similar sums.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I write to Solid and request them to release a Linux
>>> version. I'm currently running an older version in VirtualBox because
>>> I have no choice (well, I _could_ run XP).
>>>
>>> Dotan Cohen
>>>
>>> http://what-is-what.com
>>> http://gibberish.co.il
>>> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>>>
>>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>>
>> Dotan
>> I think the OP is looking for a PCB CAD package.  If I recall neither
>> Solidworks nor VariCAD does this.
>> Larry
>>>
>>
>
> My comment was more generally discussing the fact that many people are
> looking for software instead of asking for it. I have never needed to
> do PCB but I doubt that Solidworks handles that. Regardless, the OP
> (Michelle) did find suitable, affordable software for his purpose that
> ran on a different OS. He should write to the developer and express
> interest in a Linux port of the software.
>
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>
Couldn't agree more.  Unfortunately Michelle said that she needed the
software "now".
L



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Re: can't print from adobe reader

[Florian Kulzer]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 20:03:49 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Thu June 19 2008, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > > I changed it to custom. With my printer selected, it showed:
> > > Status: lpq: Epson 880:unknown printer
> > > with custom selected, the printer command showed:
> > > /usr/bin/lp

[...]

> I changed it to custom and used /usr/bin/lpr as the command. It accepted it, 
> then did nothing. No error, but no print.

You should also try

/usr/bin/lpr -P EpsonR380
/usr/bin/lp -d EpsonR380

After failed attempts, check ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/cups/*_log
for clues. If that does not produce anything useful, set "LogLevel
debug" (instead of "warning") in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, restart cups(ys)
and try again. 

> > In an X terminal, what do you get from these commands:
> >
> > lpq
> # lpq
> no entries

Hmm, I see a line "XXX is ready" above the "no entries" one, where "XXX"
is the name of the default printer.

[...]

> paulandcilla:/etc/dhcp3# lpstat -t
> scheduler is running
> system default destination: EpsonR380
> device for Epson_880: usb://EPSON/Stylus%20COLOR%20880
> device for epson_greyscale: usb://EPSON/Stylus%20COLOR%20880
> device for EpsonR380: usb://EPSON/Stylus%20Photo%20R380
> device for HP_8100_photoSmart: 
> usb://HP/Photosmart%208100%20series?serial=MY4681M0GS040Z
> Epson_880 accepting requests since Sun 10 Feb 2008 12:42:12 PM EST
> epson_greyscale accepting requests since Sun 10 Feb 2008 12:43:20 PM EST
> EpsonR380 accepting requests since Thu 19 Jun 2008 06:42:49 PM EDT
> HP_8100_photoSmart accepting requests since Wed 30 Jan 2008 08:32:36 AM EST
> printer Epson_880 is idle.  enabled since Sun 10 Feb 2008 12:42:12 PM EST
> printer epson_greyscale is idle.  enabled since Sun 10 Feb 2008 12:43:20 PM 
> EST
> printer EpsonR380 is idle.  enabled since Thu 19 Jun 2008 06:42:49 PM EDT
> printer HP_8100_photoSmart is idle.  enabled since Wed 30 Jan 2008 08:32:36 
> AM 
> EST

That looks OK to me; let's hope that looking at the log files turns up
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Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/20  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Did you write to the companies that provide the cheaper, XP-based
>> solutions and tell them that you are interested in buying their
>> software, but that you need a native Linux version? If we don't get
>> off our butts and tell the companies that we exist, then we have no
>> basis to complain when there is no suitable software available for
>> Linux.
>>
>> To FOSS developers: Solidworks is the de-facto CAD software used in my
>> country. Everybody uses it. I will donate to any project TWICE THE
>> COST of a Solidworks license that develops and maintains a
>> Solidworks-compatible alternative, for as long as I'm using the
>> software. Solidworks-compatible means that I develop and can exchange
>> documents with other Solidworks users with NO EXCUSES. I'm certain
>> that you will find many other idiots like me who would be willing to
>> donate similar sums.
>>
>> In the meantime, I write to Solid and request them to release a Linux
>> version. I'm currently running an older version in VirtualBox because
>> I have no choice (well, I _could_ run XP).
>>
>> Dotan Cohen
>>
>> http://what-is-what.com
>> http://gibberish.co.il
>> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>>
>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>
> Dotan
> I think the OP is looking for a PCB CAD package.  If I recall neither
> Solidworks nor VariCAD does this.
> Larry
>>
>

My comment was more generally discussing the fact that many people are
looking for software instead of asking for it. I have never needed to
do PCB but I doubt that Solidworks handles that. Regardless, the OP
(Michelle) did find suitable, affordable software for his purpose that
ran on a different OS. He should write to the developer and express
interest in a Linux port of the software.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: How do I find my local sub-net, to broadcast NTP

[Nathaniel Homier]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am trying to get NTP to broadcast the time on my local subnet.  I have
the ntp.conf uncommented in the proper place.  I put 192.168.1.255 as my
sub-net but I am not sure.  I have a cable modem>Linksys 4 port
router>my computer.  My computer's IP address is 192.168.1.100 and my
router is 192.168.1.1.  Gnome-network-tools shows in devices under the
broadcast column an IP of 192.168.1.255.  So I assumed that
192.168.1.255 is the sub-net, or is it 192.168.1.0.

Nate

192.168.1.255 is the broadcast address on your subnet
Larry


You mean that the router is broadcasting on 192.168.1.255?  So if I put 
192.168.1.255 in ntp.conf, then the router will get the ntp packets from 
192.168.1.100 and broadcast them to other computers on the lan.

Nate


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Re: mixing unstable with testing just for nvidia: good practices?

[H.S.]

Florian Kulzer wrote:



Both ntp and ntpdate are not in testing right now (a licensing issue
IIRC), so they have to come from unstable. When in doubt, use "apt-cache
policy ...":

apt-cache policy ntp ntpdate



Thanks for the tip. To avoid such updates, I have removed the unstable 
sources from my sources.list for now. I think I will included it on a 
need by need basis (primarily for nvidia ... whenever that happens in 
Debian, and I am *not* holding my breath).


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Re: Total confusion with aptitude. Help, please!

[Alan Mackenzie]

Hi, Eduardo!

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 01:40:55PM -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie escreveu:


> >My /etc/apt/source.list now looks like this:
> >#
> >#deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
> >deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib

> >#deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
> >deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib

> >deb http://security.debian.org/ oldstable/updates main contrib
> >#

> >When I now start aptitude, I get a plethora of errors with the following
> >form:

> >W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.de.debian.org 
> >oldstable/main Packages
> >   
> > (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_oldstable_main_binary-i386_Packages)
> >  - stat (2 No such file or
> >   directory)

> >[...]
> >Here, "stable -> etch" and "oldstable -> sarge" seem to be of equal
> >status.  This is making me feel stupid; what stupid mistake have I made
> >in my source.list?

> None, I'd say. Have you run aptitude update?

I have now!

I think I understand the error message now - it parses as "couldn't stat
[the] source package list [for] ftp://ftp.de.debian.org oldstable/main
['s] Packages [, which should be on your Debian system at]
(/var/lib/._Packages)."

I'd read the message as meaning that /var/lib/apt/...-i386-Packages
couldn't be found on ftp.de.debian.org - the first part of the message
creates that mental context.

And the last bit of the message (which I didn't quote above) which said
something like "You may want to update the package lists." was not
referring to the contents of the file /etc/apt/source.list (which I
thought at first), is certainly not talking about a package called
"lists", but actually means "You may want to run the `update' command in
aptitude.".

Phew!

After running the update command, I now have a sanely working aptitude
again.  Thanks!

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Re: How do I find my local sub-net, to broadcast NTP

[owens]

> I am trying to get NTP to broadcast the time on my local subnet.  I have
> the ntp.conf uncommented in the proper place.  I put 192.168.1.255 as my
> sub-net but I am not sure.  I have a cable modem>Linksys 4 port
> router>my computer.  My computer's IP address is 192.168.1.100 and my
> router is 192.168.1.1.  Gnome-network-tools shows in devices under the
> broadcast column an IP of 192.168.1.255.  So I assumed that
> 192.168.1.255 is the sub-net, or is it 192.168.1.0.
>
> Nate
192.168.1.255 is the broadcast address on your subnet
Larry
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How do I find my local sub-net, to broadcast NTP

[Nathaniel Homier]

I am trying to get NTP to broadcast the time on my local subnet.  I have 
the ntp.conf uncommented in the proper place.  I put 192.168.1.255 as my 
sub-net but I am not sure.  I have a cable modem>Linksys 4 port 
router>my computer.  My computer's IP address is 192.168.1.100 and my 
router is 192.168.1.1.  Gnome-network-tools shows in devices under the 
broadcast column an IP of 192.168.1.255.  So I assumed that 
192.168.1.255 is the sub-net, or is it 192.168.1.0.


Nate


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Re: mixing unstable with testing just for nvidia: good practices?

[Florian Kulzer]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 14:44:21 -0400, H.S. wrote:
> Jonathan Kaye wrote:
> 
>> particular package was already unstable by an earlier choice). To get the
>> unstable version I do this:
>> #aptitude -t unstable install 
>> This is called "pinning", I believe.
>> Works for me.
>> Cheers,
>> Jonathan
>
>
> Ah, the pinning. I took your example and tweaked it a bit (after  
> consulting http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences) and now have this:
> --
> $> cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
> APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";
> AcquireProxy "false";
> APT::Default-Release "testing";
> $> cat /etc/apt/preferences
> Package: *
> Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing
> Pin-Priority: 900
>
> Package: *
> Pin: release o=Debian,a=unstable
> Pin-Priority: 300
>
> $>
> --
>
>
> And I also have unstable sources in my sources.list in otherwise testing  
> sources. I have also installed nvidia related stuff from unstable.

[...]

> So, how come I am still getting ntp and ntpdate from unstable? I don't  
> think they are related to nvidia. What am I missing here? Is it possible  
> that while installing nvidia I also pulled some other packages that were  
> in unstable (I didn't have preferences file earlier)?

Both ntp and ntpdate are not in testing right now (a licensing issue
IIRC), so they have to come from unstable. When in doubt, use "apt-cache
policy ...":

apt-cache policy ntp ntpdate

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Re: mixing unstable with testing just for nvidia: good practices?

[H.S.]

Jonathan Kaye wrote:


particular package was already unstable by an earlier choice). To get the
unstable version I do this:
#aptitude -t unstable install 
This is called "pinning", I believe.
Works for me.
Cheers,
Jonathan



Ah, the pinning. I took your example and tweaked it a bit (after 
consulting http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences) and now have this:

--
$> cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";
AcquireProxy "false";
APT::Default-Release "testing";
$> cat /etc/apt/preferences
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing
Pin-Priority: 900

Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 300

$>
--


And I also have unstable sources in my sources.list in otherwise testing 
sources. I have also installed nvidia related stuff from unstable. Now, 
given above preferences, I get this if I try safe-upgrade:

--
$> sudo aptitude -dV safe-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done
Resolving dependencies...
The following packages have been kept back:
  cpp-3.4  gcc-3.4  gcc-3.4-base
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libbtutil-utils [0.0.19+p4.2340-1 -> 0.0.19+p4.2340-1.1]  libbtutil0 
[0.0.19+p4.2340-1 -> 0.0.19+p4.2340-1.1]
  ntp [1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-5 -> 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-6]  ntpdate [1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-5 
-> 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-6]

  nvidia-kernel-source [169.12-4 -> 173.14.09-1]
The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
  nvidia-glx
5 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
Need to get 5589kB of archives. After unpacking 94.2kB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?]
Writing extended state information... Done
Get:1 http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca unstable/main libbtutil0 
0.0.19+p4.2340-1.1 [113kB]
Get:2 http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca unstable/main libbtutil-utils 
0.0.19+p4.2340-1.1 [6082B]

Get:3 http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca unstable/main ntp 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-6 [434kB]
Get:4 http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca unstable/main ntpdate 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-6 
[59.6kB]
Get:5 http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca unstable/non-free nvidia-kernel-source 
173.14.09-1 [4976kB]

Fetched 5589kB in 10s (551kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done
--

So, how come I am still getting ntp and ntpdate from unstable? I don't 
think they are related to nvidia. What am I missing here? Is it possible 
that while installing nvidia I also pulled some other packages that were 
in unstable (I didn't have preferences file earlier)?


thanks,
->HS



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Re: killall firefox-bin

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> You don't tell us which Debian branch and version of IW you are
> using.

I am using Sid, but I still use the "testing" version of IW
(2.0.0.14). The Sid version is at the moment a little bit *too*
"unstable" (for systems with an ATI video card: see bug 485917).
So my experience with the unexplained "freezing" of IW is with
2.0.0.14 (and possibly some of its recent predecessors).

The "weird things with the X display" I mentioned occur when I try
to move the window with the "dead" (or possibly only hibernating)
Iceweasel in it. It leaves pieces of itself, and of overlying
windows, all over the place. The most annoying thing is that I
cannot determine what triggers this, apart from that it happens
after IW has been in use "for a while".

Just writing this down gives me an idea: maybe it is a memory leak
thing. Next time it happens I'll check "free". Hadn't thought of
doing that so far..

Regards, Jan


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strange /etc/network/interfaces behaviour

[Mario Spinthiras]

Greetings,

I recently setup a server which I had originally assigned a DHCP
address from the interfaces file using the line "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
. After I had put the machine on the rack I simply changed the
addressing to static and restarted the networking. This all went well
for a while. Today the machine had lost its power feed and as a result
the machine was offline for a while.
When the machine came back up (power) , it got an address by DHCP
though the settings in the interfaces file said static with all
relevant addressing. This is not something new to me , I have dealt
with Linux machines for almost 10 years now. I just cannot seem to
understand why it did this. Checking the interfaces file again , the
only thing I had seemed to forget is the broadcast 192.168.100.0
directive which denotes the network number and nothing more.

I have played with the way ifup parses this file and cannot seem to
derive a bug of somekind. Here is a thought though. I believe the
previously retrieved address from DHCP is cached somewhere (though Ive
searched high and low for it) and when "something" triggers the
parsing error , it goes back to that DHCP previously assigned address.
Can I have your thoughts on this? Its extremely strange behavior and I
cannot understand how a broadcast directive that was missing would
cause this problem. Note that the addressing that is static and the
DHCP assigned address are both in the same subnet. Is there a force
feature of somekind that tells it to go DHCP in a certain "case" ?

Possible ifupdown bug?

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Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

[owens]

> Hello Larry,
>
> Am 2008-06-18 11:35:04, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>> Michelle
>> My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you.  What we
>> found was some very good and very expensive software, primarily ported
>> to
>> Suns, and some reasonably good and reasonably inexpensive software,
>> unfortunately ported to XP.  Perhaps others can suggest something that
>> combines the XP-like cost with (some of the) UNIX-like features.  Due to
>> cost reasons we ended up with the XP stuff.  Hope you find something
>> that
>> matches your needs.
>> Larry
>
> My VariCAD is runnin on Debian and there is nothing which beat it.
> Handling, Usability, Performance and Price   20.000 Euro.
>
> Do you mean a Layout-Software for PCBs?
> What "expensive" and "less expensive" was it?
>
> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
> Michelle Konzack
> Systemadministrator
> 24V Electronic Engineer
> Tamay Dogan Network
> Debian GNU/Linux Consultant
Michelle
Yes I assume your reference to PCBs was Printed Circuit Boards (yes?).  If
so I have another approach, a "hybrid" solution used by many small to
medium size companies, especially those that don't do PCB layout on a
regular basis and/or do not do the actual PCB fabrication.  Contact a PCB
company that does board layout and fabrication to do just the layout part
(this is the most labor-intensive part of the process).  Tell them you
wish to do the schematic capture part and they will likely furnish you (or
allow access to) their PCB software.  In this manner you can do the
capture (and design rules check and perhaps simulation, each of which is
usually "built-in" to the capture package) and they can do the layout and
fabrication.
Larry
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Re: killall firefox-bin

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

> At least once a day I have to give the command "killall
> firefox-bin", because the systems just about freezes (at least the
> browser does), and weird things happen to the X display. Do others
> have the same experience?
> 
> "Iceweasel" as is it now unwisely called by Debian (although
> according to ps aux the running process is still "firefox-bin")
> seems to be unstable somehow. I don't know why. I can't predict
> when this "freezing" will happen, so I can't file a bug about it;
> it just happens, about one time per day.

Is there flash on the web pages you are visiting? Did you try running
iceweasel with -safe-mode option and disable all the addons, extensions
etc.,?

raju
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Re: mixing unstable with testing just for nvidia: good practices?

[Jonathan Kaye]

H.S. wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Yesterday I made the jump and put in unstable sources in sources.list in
> on testing machine solely to get nvidia working again in Testing (what
> is wrong with testing regarding nvidia anyway?).
> 
> I have this for my policy:
> $> cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
> APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";
> AcquireProxy "false";
> APT::Default-Release "testing";
> 
> 
> Is this good enough for an "aptitude update" and "aptitude safe-upgrade"
> such that only those package will be pulled from Unstable which are
> necessary for nvidia related packages? Or should I now just remove the
> unstable sources' repos from my sources.list file?
> 
> Recommendations and advice on what is the sensible way to proceed in
> this are welcome.
> 
> thanks,
> ->HS
Hi HS,
I am also running Lenny with some Sid mixed in (but mostly Lenny). I don't
even have a /etc/apt/apt.conf file on my system. I do my "mixing" in the
following way. I have a file called /etc/apt/preferences which looks like
this:
Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 600

Package: *
Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing
Pin-Priority: 650

I also have both Lenny and Sid sources in my sources.list file. If I don't
do anything special then I get the Lenny version of a package (unless that
particular package was already unstable by an earlier choice). To get the
unstable version I do this:
#aptitude -t unstable install 
This is called "pinning", I believe.
Works for me.
Cheers,
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Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

[owens]

> 2008/6/18  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you.  What we
>> found was some very good and very expensive software, primarily ported
>> to
>> Suns, and some reasonably good and reasonably inexpensive software,
>> unfortunately ported to XP.  Perhaps others can suggest something that
>> combines the XP-like cost with (some of the) UNIX-like features.  Due to
>> cost reasons we ended up with the XP stuff.  Hope you find something
>> that
>> matches your needs.
>> Larry
>
> Did you write to the companies that provide the cheaper, XP-based
> solutions and tell them that you are interested in buying their
> software, but that you need a native Linux version? If we don't get
> off our butts and tell the companies that we exist, then we have no
> basis to complain when there is no suitable software available for
> Linux.
>
> To FOSS developers: Solidworks is the de-facto CAD software used in my
> country. Everybody uses it. I will donate to any project TWICE THE
> COST of a Solidworks license that develops and maintains a
> Solidworks-compatible alternative, for as long as I'm using the
> software. Solidworks-compatible means that I develop and can exchange
> documents with other Solidworks users with NO EXCUSES. I'm certain
> that you will find many other idiots like me who would be willing to
> donate similar sums.
>
> In the meantime, I write to Solid and request them to release a Linux
> version. I'm currently running an older version in VirtualBox because
> I have no choice (well, I _could_ run XP).
>
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://what-is-what.com
> http://gibberish.co.il
> א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת
>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Dotan
I think the OP is looking for a PCB CAD package.  If I recall neither
Solidworks nor VariCAD does this.
Larry
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Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

[owens]

> Hello Larry,
>
> Am 2008-06-18 11:35:04, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>> Michelle
>> My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you.  What we
>> found was some very good and very expensive software, primarily ported
>> to
>> Suns, and some reasonably good and reasonably inexpensive software,
>> unfortunately ported to XP.  Perhaps others can suggest something that
>> combines the XP-like cost with (some of the) UNIX-like features.  Due to
>> cost reasons we ended up with the XP stuff.  Hope you find something
>> that
>> matches your needs.
>> Larry
>
> My VariCAD is runnin on Debian and there is nothing which beat it.
> Handling, Usability, Performance and Price   20.000 Euro.
>
> Do you mean a Layout-Software for PCBs?
> What "expensive" and "less expensive" was it?
>
> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
> Michelle Konzack
> Systemadministrator
> 24V Electronic Engineer
> Tamay Dogan Network
> Debian GNU/Linux Consultant

Michelle
The software I used included a schematic capture package, and a PCB layout
package.  As do most layout packages this one required some human input
for the layout rules (line widths, hole sizes, etc.) and for routing in
case the built-in algorithm got "stumped".  The output of the PCB layout
package was a file in standard (e.g. Gerber) format that one could send to
someone to make the boards themselves. The schematic package was called
Circuit Maker and the companion PCB board layout package was called
TraxMaker.  The packages at that time were relatively inexpensive (e.g.
several hundred US dollars) and only ran on XP.  I believe both packages
and the (Austrailian) company that developed them were bought by someone
else but some Googling will tell you the new names if you are interested. 
Again these were more for boards that had perhaps up to a few hundred
components and for relatively small boards--"perfect" for a small company
doing in-house layout but out-house board manufacture.
Larry
P.S.  The Sun packages were Mentor Graphics' and VERY complex and VERY
expensive (several tens of thousand US dollars as I recall).  These are
used, for example, by the PC motherboard companies (multilayer boards,
plated-through holes, vias, etc.)
>
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Re: New version of fglrx broke my system

[Jonathan Kaye]

Gabriel Parrondo wrote:

> 
> I've been googling for hours trying to figure out how to solve this
> problem that arised from the last upgrade:
> 
> I use lenny and the fglrx driver. With the last upgrade all fglrx
> packages were upgraded from version 8.4.1 to 8.5.1. As with every fglrx
> upgrade, I used m-a to rebuild the kernel modules.
> 
> After that, "Switching user" from gnome (GDM) crashed the system to the
> point that not even sysrq would work.
> Other procedures, such as stopping gdm and starting it again had the
> same results (restarting it didn't).
> 
> The worst part is that there's nothing in the logs, it just crashes the
> whole system silently.
> 
> I tried the following stuff with no success:
> - Purging every fglrx package, reinstall and rebuild modules.
> - Disabling composite in xorg.conf.
> - Building xorg.conf from scratch (with fglrx-control)
> - Use the vesa driver: This actually solved the Switch User problem, but
> created a lot of others.
> 
> My video card is an ATI Radeon HD2400 (which means that, until the
> radeonhd driver is ready, I have to stick with fglrx).
> 
> 
> Anyway, I just downgraded to 8.4.1 and am able to switch users again
> (with some limitations, but that's another story). If anyone has any
> clue on what the problem could be, please let me know.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
Hi Gabriel,
I'm also using Lenny and have an ATI Radeon 9550 graphics card. I use the
proprietary drivers from the ATI website. A couple of days ago I downloaded
version 8.6 of the ATI installer. I unpacked the fglrx debs from that using
the --buildpkg switch and installed them and then ran m-a to build and
install the module (I had removed the old one first). It installed with no
problem and after rebooting (yes, I have to do this; starting and stopping
the the Xserver doesn't get the new driver working correctly) everything
has been working fine.

I'm a bit confused about version 8.5.1 of the driver. The one I installed
was released about 2 days ago and (according to Catalyst) I have version
8.50.3 of the driver installed. Where did you download the driver from?
Cheers,
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Re: Root sending messages to users

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/20 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Even if, in this instance, there's no "harm" (she's you're wife,
> after all), it's still Bad Practice, and that makes for Bad Habits.
>
> In 15 seconds you can create user "dotan" on that machine, and log
> in as it, then sudo or su to do whatever you need to do.
>

In theory I agree with you 100%, and I appreciate you taking the time
to teach me best practices. In practice, the only non-root work that I
do on that machine is put / get files from her user account. So in 90%
of the cases I would SSH into dotan just to su into ety, and in the
other 10% of cases I would SSH into dotan just to run sudo commands.

Additionally, should I have a dotan account on that machine I will
habitually back it up, and always worry that there are files there
that I need to know about, and set up the environment just how I like,
and and and... I don't need any of that.

Dotan Cohen

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א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/18  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you.  What we
> found was some very good and very expensive software, primarily ported to
> Suns, and some reasonably good and reasonably inexpensive software,
> unfortunately ported to XP.  Perhaps others can suggest something that
> combines the XP-like cost with (some of the) UNIX-like features.  Due to
> cost reasons we ended up with the XP stuff.  Hope you find something that
> matches your needs.
> Larry

Did you write to the companies that provide the cheaper, XP-based
solutions and tell them that you are interested in buying their
software, but that you need a native Linux version? If we don't get
off our butts and tell the companies that we exist, then we have no
basis to complain when there is no suitable software available for
Linux.

To FOSS developers: Solidworks is the de-facto CAD software used in my
country. Everybody uses it. I will donate to any project TWICE THE
COST of a Solidworks license that develops and maintains a
Solidworks-compatible alternative, for as long as I'm using the
software. Solidworks-compatible means that I develop and can exchange
documents with other Solidworks users with NO EXCUSES. I'm certain
that you will find many other idiots like me who would be willing to
donate similar sums.

In the meantime, I write to Solid and request them to release a Linux
version. I'm currently running an older version in VirtualBox because
I have no choice (well, I _could_ run XP).

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

mixing unstable with testing just for nvidia: good practices?

[H.S.]

Hello,

Yesterday I made the jump and put in unstable sources in sources.list in 
on testing machine solely to get nvidia working again in Testing (what 
is wrong with testing regarding nvidia anyway?).


I have this for my policy:
$> cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";
AcquireProxy "false";
APT::Default-Release "testing";


Is this good enough for an "aptitude update" and "aptitude safe-upgrade" 
such that only those package will be pulled from Unstable which are 
necessary for nvidia related packages? Or should I now just remove the 
unstable sources' repos from my sources.list file?


Recommendations and advice on what is the sensible way to proceed in 
this are welcome.


thanks,
->HS


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Balsa's "Gnome editor?"

[Eric d'Alibut]

I have Xfce4 runningl, and I'm trying out Balsa in it.

Balsa looks for its external editor in a var described as "the Gnome
editor," which, in Xfce4, is evidenctly mousepad.

Far be it from I to cast aspersions (as the saying goes) on mousepad,
but I would like something more exciting for my external editor.

Does anyone know how to change the "Gnome editor" -- in Xfce4 -- to
something other than mousepad?


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Re: Total confusion with aptitude. Help, please!

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

Alan Mackenzie escreveu:

Hi, again!

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:48:02AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

  
To know what is going on with your system, we would need to see your 
/etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences files.
  


  

#/etc/apt/sources.list:
#
deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib



  

deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
#



[  ]

  

Hmm.  I don't really feel that it was me that did the mixing.  :-)
However, I take the point.  I'll try the suggestion you gave me up above
(putting "oldstable" into sources.list), and then report on what
happened.



My /etc/apt/source.list now looks like this:
#
#deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib

#deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib

deb http://security.debian.org/ oldstable/updates main contrib
#

When I now start aptitude, I get a plethora of errors with the following
form:

W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.de.debian.org oldstable/main 
Packages
   
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_oldstable_main_binary-i386_Packages)
 - stat (2 No such file or
   directory)

[...]
Here, "stable -> etch" and "oldstable -> sarge" seem to be of equal
status.  This is making me feel stupid; what stupid mistake have I made
in my source.list?
  


None, I'd say. Have you run aptitude update?


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Re: Total confusion with aptitude. Help, please!

[Alan Mackenzie]

Hi, again!

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:48:02AM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

> > To know what is going on with your system, we would need to see your 
> > /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences files.

> #/etc/apt/sources.list:
> #
> deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
> deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib

> deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib
> #

[  ]

> Hmm.  I don't really feel that it was me that did the mixing.  :-)
> However, I take the point.  I'll try the suggestion you gave me up above
> (putting "oldstable" into sources.list), and then report on what
> happened.

My /etc/apt/source.list now looks like this:
#
#deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib

#deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib
deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib

deb http://security.debian.org/ oldstable/updates main contrib
#

When I now start aptitude, I get a plethora of errors with the following
form:

W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.de.debian.org oldstable/main 
Packages
   
(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_oldstable_main_binary-i386_Packages)
 - stat (2 No such file or
   directory)

It seems I've misunderstood the format of /etc/apt/sources.list.  Looking
at source.lists's man page, however, it seems OK.

If I connect to the ftp server in the error message, ftp.de.debian.org,
then cd to debian/dists, I see this:

lrw-r--r--   1 ftp  ftp 5 Apr 12 21:15 Debian3.1r8 -> sarge
lrw-r--r--   1 ftp  ftp 4 Feb 16 20:51 Debian4.0r3 -> etch
-rw-r--r--   1 ftp  ftp   449 Apr 12 18:16 README
drwxr-xr-x   5 ftp  ftp  4096 Feb 16 14:58 etch
drwxr-xr-x   5 ftp  ftp78 Jun 20 08:23 etch-m68k
drwxr-xr-x   5 ftp  ftp 69632 Jun 20 08:22 etch-proposed-updates
drwxr-xr-x   5 ftp  ftp78 Jun 20 08:24 experimental
drwxr-xr-x  17 ftp  ftp  4096 Jun 20 08:23 lenny
drwxr-xr-x   5 ftp  ftp78 Jun 20 08:23 lenny-proposed-updates
lrw-r--r--   1 ftp  ftp 5 Apr  8  2007 oldstable -> sarge
lrw-r--r--   1 ftp  ftp22 May 15  2007 oldstable-proposed-updates -> 
sarge-proposed-updates
lrw-r--r--   1 ftp  ftp21 Apr  8  2007 proposed-updates -> 
etch-proposed-updates
drwxr-xr-x   5 ftp  ftp  4096 Apr 12 19:08 sarge
drwxr-xr-x   5 ftp  ftp78 Jun 20 08:22 sarge-proposed-updates
drwxr-xr-x  19 ftp  ftp  4096 Jun 20 08:24 sid
lrw-r--r--   1 ftp  ftp 4 Apr  8  2007 stable -> etch
lrw-r--r--   1 ftp  ftp21 Apr  8  2007 stable-proposed-updates -> 
etch-proposed-updates
lrw-r--r--   1 ftp  ftp 5 Apr  8  2007 testing -> lenny
lrw-r--r--   1 ftp  ftp22 Apr  8  2007 testing-proposed-updates -> 
lenny-proposed-updates
lrw-r--r--   1 ftp  ftp 3 May 13  2006 unstable -> sid

Here, "stable -> etch" and "oldstable -> sarge" seem to be of equal
status.  This is making me feel stupid; what stupid mistake have I made
in my source.list?

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Re: CAD software for PCB engineering and routing

[Michelle Konzack]

Hello Larry,

Am 2008-06-18 11:35:04, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Michelle
> My (no defunct) company went through a similar search as you.  What we
> found was some very good and very expensive software, primarily ported to
> Suns, and some reasonably good and reasonably inexpensive software,
> unfortunately ported to XP.  Perhaps others can suggest something that
> combines the XP-like cost with (some of the) UNIX-like features.  Due to
> cost reasons we ended up with the XP stuff.  Hope you find something that
> matches your needs.
> Larry

My VariCAD is runnin on Debian and there is nothing which beat it.
Handling, Usability, Performance and Price   20.000 Euro.

Do you mean a Layout-Software for PCBs?
What "expensive" and "less expensive" was it?

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
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Re: dhcpd is screwing with me...

[Ron Johnson]

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On 06/20/08 10:39, Forsaken wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:17:16 -0400
> Forsaken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Nevermind, I'm just being retarded. Here's the guilty culprit right
> here:
> 
>> subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
>> range 192.168.2.100 192.168.3.200;
> 
> Looked over it ten times and didn't see it until *after* I spammed the
> list. Mea culpa, folks

Why do you consider that spam?

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Re: dhcpd is screwing with me...

[Forsaken]

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:17:16 -0400
Forsaken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Nevermind, I'm just being retarded. Here's the guilty culprit right
here:

> subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
> range 192.168.2.100 192.168.3.200;

Looked over it ten times and didn't see it until *after* I spammed the
list. Mea culpa, folks


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Re: dhcpd is screwing with me...

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

Forsaken wrote:
> This is what my dhcpd.conf looks like:
> 
> ddns-update-style none;
> option domain-name "boo.local";
> option domain-name-servers 192.168.3.7,192.168.1.1;
> default-lease-time 600;
> max-lease-time 7200;
> log-facility local7;
> subnet 192.168.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
> range 192.168.3.100 192.168.3.200;
> option routers 192.168.3.1;
> option broadcast-address 192.168.3.255;
> option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
> }
> subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
> range 192.168.2.100 192.168.3.200;
  ^

Are you sure you do not want 192.168.2.200 (note number two, not three)
here?

> default-lease-time 86400;
> max-lease-time 86400;
> option routers 192.168.2.1;
> option broadcast-address 192.168.2.255;
> option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
> option domain-name-servers 192.168.3.7;
> }
> 
> Whenever I try to start dhcpd, I get the following:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/dhcp3# /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
> dhcpd self-test failed. Please fix the config file.
> The error was: 
> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.4
> Copyright 2004-2006 Internet Systems Consortium.
> All rights reserved.
> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
> Address range 192.168.2.100 to 192.168.3.200, netmask 255.255.255.0
> spans multiple subnets!

I've gotten to the above observation because of this message.


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Re: eth0: no IPv6 router present - resolved, thanks

[Thomas H. George]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 09:31:30AM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:00:50PM +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 01:44:40PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:57:35AM -0500, W Paul Mills wrote:
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> > > > Thomas H. George wrote:
> > [snip]
> > 
> > > The network is still unreachable although all the machines
> > > on the lan respond to pings.
> > > 
> > > Could the problem be the IP address 169.254.122.180 is still assigned to
> > > eth0?  I have been unable to remove this and it is always the first item
> > > in the output of ifconfig.  It is now followed by an entry for eth0:0
> > > which contains the 192.168.2.102 address.  If the firewall sees
> > > 169.254.122.180 it will drop the message on the floor.
> > 
> > can I suggest you us ip (from the iproute package).
> > 
> > If you interface was originally a dhcp interface, you have to kill
> > dhcpclient as well as assigning a new address to the interface.
> > 
> > try
> > ip addr show dev eth0
> > 
> > then 
> > find and kill any dhcp clients looking on eth0
> > ip a flush dev eth0
> > 
> > then add your address information 
> > 
> > ip a a dev eth0 192.168.2.102/24
> > 
> > use
> > 
> > ip route show
> > 
> > to show your route table
> > 
> > Alex
> > 
> The ip commands removed the dhcp clients and assigned the address
> 192.168.2.104 to eth0 but still no gateway .  I am reading an online
> manual and tried adding 'via 192.168.2.102' to the ip command but this
> was clearly wrong. ip responded, "Either 'local' is a duplicate or 'via'
> is a garbage.  I'll study the manual more closely.  In any event iproute
> is clearly the way to go and fortunately "-d lenny" installed it when I
> built the Debian Live CD.
> 
> Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. 
> 
> Tom

All OK.  ip route add default via 192.168.2.102 did the trick.  Running
from the Debian Live CD I can now connect to the internet.

Tom

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dhcpd is screwing with me...

[Forsaken]

Ok, here's the situation - 

I have a router and a switch.

The switch is chopped up into 4 different vlans, only two of which are
relevant to this discussion -

Topology looks something like this:

   Router
  |
Vlan1  Switch --- Vlan2

Vlan1: 192.168.2.0/24
Vlan2: 192.168.3.0/24

The switch has a trunk line to the router, which has subinterfaces
setup to do intervlan routing. The individual ports for each vlan are
restricted to that vlan.

Vlan1 are my workstations, Vlan2 are my servers. I've setup dhcpd on a
server in Vlan2. It has a single NIC with a static IP of 192.168.3.7. 

The router is configured with the ip helper-address on the subinterface
for Vlan1, so it should relay dhcp requests. 

The problem I'm having is that I haven't gotten that far, because dhcpd
won't start. 

This is what my dhcpd.conf looks like:

ddns-update-style none;
option domain-name "boo.local";
option domain-name-servers 192.168.3.7,192.168.1.1;
default-lease-time 600;
max-lease-time 7200;
log-facility local7;
subnet 192.168.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.3.100 192.168.3.200;
option routers 192.168.3.1;
option broadcast-address 192.168.3.255;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
}
subnet 192.168.2.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.2.100 192.168.3.200;
default-lease-time 86400;
max-lease-time 86400;
option routers 192.168.2.1;
option broadcast-address 192.168.2.255;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
option domain-name-servers 192.168.3.7;
}

Whenever I try to start dhcpd, I get the following:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/dhcp3# /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
dhcpd self-test failed. Please fix the config file.
The error was: 
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.4
Copyright 2004-2006 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/
Address range 192.168.2.100 to 192.168.3.200, netmask 255.255.255.0
spans multiple subnets!

I'm at something of a loss. Everything I can find on the subject says
that this should work fine even if the server is single-homed, as long
as your router will do dhcp relay correctly. I can't help but think I'm
missing something simple. I've tried setting up a 192.168.2.0/24
address as an alias on eth1 (the interface that has the 192.168.3.0/24
address), but it still refuses to start.

I'd prefer not to multi-home the server. I figure there has to be a way
to get this working the way I want it, otherwise there wouldn't be a
need for dhcp relay agents to exist, but I just can't figure out what
I'm overlooking.

Thanks in advance for any help!


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Re: where is xmms?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Nuno Magalhães wrote:

Yes I saw that, xmms2 and wmxmms2.


And having tried them, they are totally unlike xmms and wmxmms.
Completely command-line driven.



Well yes, the server is command-line driven; the clients are not. I've
used esperanza but it lacked ramdom playing so i'm using a plugin for
gKrellm. xmms2d actually does have many clients to choose from, many
GUI-clients that is:
http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/Clients



I saw those. But the upshot of it is, in my opinion, that if xmms is 
gone, audacious is a simpler replacement.


Hugo


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Re: where is xmms?

[Nuno Magalhães]

>> Yes I saw that, xmms2 and wmxmms2.
>>
>
> And having tried them, they are totally unlike xmms and wmxmms.
> Completely command-line driven.
>

Well yes, the server is command-line driven; the clients are not. I've
used esperanza but it lacked ramdom playing so i'm using a plugin for
gKrellm. xmms2d actually does have many clients to choose from, many
GUI-clients that is:
http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/Clients

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Re: Iceweasel 3 UI color (Solved)

[Benjamí Villoslada]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Benjamí Villoslada (me) wrote:
> $ iceweasel --safe-mode
>
> starts the program with the KDE the dark colors. Seems that the because the
> default theme doesn't works at 100%, but is not possible uninstall the
> default theme.

Sorry, I've descovered this:

$ firefox → champagne interface color
$ iceweasel → KDE user interface colors

%-)

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Re: (Mishap?) upgrading from Woody to Etch

[Steve Kemp]

On Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 15:13:59 +0100, Adam Hardy wrote:

> What's the 'virtual console provided by the screen program'? Some sort of 
> bolt-on to ssh?

  "screen" is a program which allows you to run commands in "windows"
 even on a text console.

  See here for a reasonable introduction:

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/34

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Re: text file from Linux to windows.

[Ron Johnson]

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On 05/29/08 20:28, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 05/29/08 19:35, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>  
>>> On Thursday 29 May 2008 05:26:43 pm L.V.Gandhi wrote:
>>>
 I have made a text file in Linux using echo and cat commands. When I
 open the file in note pad, I find files are not having line break, but
 having a character in place of line break. Is there any way in echo
 and cat commands usage to put windows line break?
   
>>> Windows happens to end lines in a way that's gratuitously different
>>> from the rest of the world.  Check out the tofrodos package.
>>> 
>>
>> Since 90% of all computers are DOS/Windows, and got that method from
>> CP/M, which did it that way back in 1976/77, your "gratuitously
>> different" comment is absurdly wrong.
>>   
> Actually, it dates back further than that, to ASR33 teletype machines,
> where you needed to issue separate carriage return and line feed
> characters to end a line - to i) physically return the carriage to the
> beginning of the line, and ii) feed a line of paper (turn the platten). 

While I'm too young to have used an ASR33, I'm old enough to have
used typewriters, and fart with dot matrix printers by sending only
^M after the line, and watching lines print over each other.

So shame on me.

> (Anybody else out there old enough to remember when ASR33s where THE
> standard i/o device? :-)
> 
> CR+LF is also required in most Internet protocols.
> This is one of the surprising areas, where the Microsoft products get
> things right, and the Unix world messes up.

And the pre-OSX Macs used ^M as line separator.

Regarding a mess-up, I disagree.  When looking for EOL, it's far
easier to scan for a single byte than for a ^M^J pair.  Unix, having
print spools and drivers, was (since there are so few text-only
printers anymore) easily able to notice a \n in the data stream and
replace it with a ^M^J.

> There are some good historical references at:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/EOLstory.txt
> http://www.w3.org/TR/newline

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Re: text file from Linux to windows.

[Ron Johnson]

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On 05/29/08 20:28, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 05/29/08 19:35, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>  
>>> On Thursday 29 May 2008 05:26:43 pm L.V.Gandhi wrote:
>>>
 I have made a text file in Linux using echo and cat commands. When I
 open the file in note pad, I find files are not having line break, but
 having a character in place of line break. Is there any way in echo
 and cat commands usage to put windows line break?
   
>>> Windows happens to end lines in a way that's gratuitously different
>>> from the rest of the world.  Check out the tofrodos package.
>>> 
>>
>> Since 90% of all computers are DOS/Windows, and got that method from
>> CP/M, which did it that way back in 1976/77, your "gratuitously
>> different" comment is absurdly wrong.
>>   
> Actually, it dates back further than that, to ASR33 teletype machines,
> where you needed to issue separate carriage return and line feed
> characters to end a line - to i) physically return the carriage to the
> beginning of the line, and ii) feed a line of paper (turn the platten). 

While I'm too young to have used an ASR33, I'm old enough to have
used typewriters, and fart with dot matrix printers by sending only
^M after the line, and watching lines print over each other.

> (Anybody else out there old enough to remember when ASR33s where THE
> standard i/o device? :-)
> 
> CR+LF is also required in most Internet protocols.
> This is one of the surprising areas, where the Microsoft products get
> things right, and the Unix world messes up.
> 
> There are some good historical references at:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/EOLstory.txt
> http://www.w3.org/TR/newline

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Re: Total confusion with aptitude. Help, please!

[Alan Mackenzie]

Hi, Daniel!

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 07:57:45PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 07:22:24PM +, Alan Mackenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> was heard to say:

> > #Broken: 12  Will free 16.7MB of disk space DL Size: 6215kB

> > .  Using the aptitude command `find broken', it reports, amongst others,
> > vim as being broken, giving as further details:

> >   * vim depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6)
> >   * vim depends on libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5)
> >   * vim depends on vim-runtime (= 1:7.0-122+1etch3)

> > However, vim works just fine (I'm using it to write this email).

>   First possible problem: aptitude uses "broken" as a shorthand for
> "broken *after I apply what you've told me to do*".

Ah!  Thanks!

[  ]

> > #

> > So, I try to update aptitude itself (this will surely help me with my
> > other problems ;-).  To begin with, I start aptitude, and type ":" on
> > each of the 8 lines ("--- Security Updates", ., "--- Tasks") in the
> > hope of clearing out dross.

>   btw, to upgrade just aptitude it might be easier to run
> "aptitude install aptitude".

OK.  But I'm a coward.  Where in all the documentation would I find a
statement that doing this won't irreversibly hose my system, especially
when I'm scared that it's already in a fragile, possibly inconsistent
state?  What, exactly, does "install" mean?  These aren't rhetorical
questions.  I've looked in the aptitude man page (sarge version from
2005).  This is something I dislike about package managers - they demand
complete trust on an all-or-nothing basis.  Or have I missed something?
What I would like is "test-download" facility that would prompt me for a
directory, and put the new version of the package there WITHOUT TOUCHING
MY CURRENT SETUP.  I could then make sure it works properly before
committing myself to an irreversible and potentially catastrophic update.

> > I now find aptitude in the list (Successively ing "Upgradeable
> > Packages", "Admin", "Main", "Aptitude").  It gives a list of
> > dependencies, but doesn't say whether it is the current aptitude
> > (0.2.15.9) or the newest one (0.4.4-4) which so depends.  Which is it?
> > Several of these are shaded red.

>   The one shown by default is the default candidate version (the
> version number on the far right).  If you pick a particular version,
> that one is shown.

OK.

> > I type "u", and it tells me it's connecting to several hosts
> > (presumably to ask them if they're awake), and then that it's
> > downloaded 0B in 21s at 0B/s.  Is this an error message, or an
> > expected status message?  What is it trying to download here?

> When you hit "u", aptitude checks for updates to the list of available
> package versions.  It doesn't download anything if there aren't any
> changes.

OK.

[  ]

> Is there a reason you're still using sarge?


Yes.  Installing Debian is (was?) so painful that I really can't face the
drudgery again at the moment.  I've only had about 2 years use out of
sarge so far.  I started installing sarge in earnest the day after my old
PC died.  After 20 days of work (when I didn't have a day job) I was
finally able to use it reasonably.  I have kept a detailed log of the
process so that it won't be as bad second time round, but even so I'm not
looking forward to it.

I hit problem after problem after problem - nothing big or dramatic, but
each one took 2 to 4 hours to resolve, first tracking down the relevant
documentation, trying it out, sometimes with new kernel parameters,
sometimes even rebuilding the kernel.  To be fair, not all the problems
were with Debian; it took a few days to determine that my ISP wouldn't
connect to my modem at 56kbaud, but was fine at 33kbaud.  A typical
problem was that my X-Windows came up in 800 x 600 resolution - not nice
on a 17" CRT.  It took an evening to search through the many
documentation sources, some of them not in easily searchable form, to
track down /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, make the appropriate adjustment and
test it.

When I (finally) got a DSL connection, it took me 7 days of evenings to
get my Ethernet card working.  There doesn't seem to be a HOWTO for
network configuration.  When something networky is not worky, typically
nothing happens, and one has to wade through /var/log/messages and
friends.  On the rare occasions an error message does appear, it's
something like "No route to www.debian.org" rather than the more helpful
"Couldn't read file /etc/resolv.conf".

In the real world, nobody I know has got any sort of GNU/Linux installed
and working in a few days.  Most have tried and given up after a weekend
or two, going back to a Microsoft system.  Those few who have managed
have, like me, endured weeks of drudgery.  Only on internet blogs do I
read "Wow!" reports about how it works perfectly an hour and a half after
inserting the installation DVD.


[  ]

> > Would somebody please explain what's happened to my sy

Re: Root sending messages to users

[Ron Johnson]

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On 06/20/08 09:12, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2008/6/20 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> Well, it is a one-user box,
>> No it's not.  Unix hasn't just had "meat" users in 30 years.  If you
>> don't believe me, cat her box's /etc/passwd.
>>
> 
> I meant, the only human user.
> 
>>> but she is that user! When I SSH in I SSH in as 
>>> her.
>> That's horrible security practice.  Add an account for yourself, and
>>  ssh in under it.
>>
> 
> I only SSH in from the LAN for a few seconds time ever. I update her
> system with apt-get, I copy over a file, stuff like that. There is no
> NAT on the router, so SSH is not forwarded in from outside.

Even if, in this instance, there's no "harm" (she's you're wife,
after all), it's still Bad Practice, and that makes for Bad Habits.

In 15 seconds you can create user "dotan" on that machine, and log
in as it, then sudo or su to do whatever you need to do.

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Re: where is xmms?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Nuno Magalhães wrote:

Or,
You can use xmms2, which works as a daemon, and use some xmms2 client
(i'm currently using gKrellm plugins).
Both are on the mirrors.



Yes I saw that, xmms2 and wmxmms2.



And having tried them, they are totally unlike xmms and wmxmms.
Completely command-line driven.

Hugo


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Re: (Mishap?) upgrading from Woody to Etch

[Adam Hardy]

Sven Joachim on 20/06/08 15:06, wrote:

On 2008-06-20 15:58 +0200, Adam Hardy wrote:


Those upgrade instructions warn:

"Important! You should not upgrade using telnet, rlogin, rsh, or from
an X session managed by xdm, gdm or kdm etc on the machine you are
upgrading. That is because each of those services may well be
terminated during the upgrade, which can result in an inaccessible
system that is only half-upgraded."

Do you think ssh is deliberately excluded from that list of remote shells?


Yes, see the same section:

,
| The distribution upgrade should be done either locally from a textmode
| virtual console (or a directly connected serial terminal), or remotely
| via an ssh link.
| 
| In order to gain extra safety margin when upgrading remotely, we suggest

| that you run upgrade processes in the virtual console provided by the
| screen program, which enables safe reconnection and ensures the upgrade
| process is not interrupted even if the remote connection process fails.
`


What's the 'virtual console provided by the screen program'? Some sort of 
bolt-on to ssh?



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Re: where is xmms?

[Nate Bargmann]

* Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Jun 20 08:48 -0500]:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:04:52PM +0100, Michal R. Hoffmann wrote:
> > On 19/06/08 22:34, Mark Allums wrote:
> >> Ivan Glushkov wrote:
> >>  > Hi all,
> >>  > I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
> >>  > to install xmms?
> >>  >
> >>
> >> If I understand correctly, xmms is no longer considered stable or  
> >> reliable; it has no maintainer, and has been abandoned by the upstream  
> >> maintainer.  So, people using it need to transition to something else.  
> >> I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.
> >
> > I would recommend Audacious. Previously I used winamp on Windows and  
> > xmms on Linux. Audacious is very similar in 'feel', very sleek and does  
> > the job. Plays mp3, mpc, ogg, flac, possibly many more :) Install  
> > plugins package as well.

Since I had gotten used to XMMS over the years and then BMP, Audacious
fills my needs very well.  My favorite skins are compatible and it just
seems to keep improving.  It's miles ahead of where XMMS was at the end
of its run.  For those of us who just want a graphical music player
without the overhead of a server or jukebox, etc., it's great to have an
excellent piece of software keep improving.

- Nate >>

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Re: Root sending messages to users

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/20 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Well, it is a one-user box,
>
> No it's not.  Unix hasn't just had "meat" users in 30 years.  If you
> don't believe me, cat her box's /etc/passwd.
>

I meant, the only human user.

>> but she is that user! When I SSH in I SSH in as 
>> her.
>
> That's horrible security practice.  Add an account for yourself, and
>  ssh in under it.
>

I only SSH in from the LAN for a few seconds time ever. I update her
system with apt-get, I copy over a file, stuff like that. There is no
NAT on the router, so SSH is not forwarded in from outside.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: killall firefox-bin

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On 06/20/08 08:09, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
> At least once a day I have to give the command "killall
> firefox-bin", because the systems just about freezes (at least the
> browser does), and weird things happen to the X display. Do others
> have the same experience?
> 
> "Iceweasel" as is it now unwisely called by Debian (although
> according to ps aux the running process is still "firefox-bin")
> seems to be unstable somehow. I don't know why. I can't predict
> when this "freezing" will happen, so I can't file a bug about it;
> it just happens, about one time per day.

You don't tell us which Debian branch and version of IW you are using.

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Re: Root sending messages to users

[Dotan Cohen]

2008/6/20 Brian McKee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Darn it, now you've got me digging.  I'm sure on an old box I had
> (Redhat 7.2 maybe?) wall messages were posted in X as well
> automatically.   But I can' t figure out how now
>

It seems my Fedora box is running kwrited which can display messages
from wall / write / etc..

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: (Mishap?) upgrading from Woody to Etch

[Sven Joachim]

On 2008-06-20 15:58 +0200, Adam Hardy wrote:

> Those upgrade instructions warn:
>
> "Important! You should not upgrade using telnet, rlogin, rsh, or from
> an X session managed by xdm, gdm or kdm etc on the machine you are
> upgrading. That is because each of those services may well be
> terminated during the upgrade, which can result in an inaccessible
> system that is only half-upgraded."
>
> Do you think ssh is deliberately excluded from that list of remote shells?

Yes, see the same section:

,
| The distribution upgrade should be done either locally from a textmode
| virtual console (or a directly connected serial terminal), or remotely
| via an ssh link.
| 
| In order to gain extra safety margin when upgrading remotely, we suggest
| that you run upgrade processes in the virtual console provided by the
| screen program, which enables safe reconnection and ensures the upgrade
| process is not interrupted even if the remote connection process fails.
`

Sven


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Re: Root sending messages to users

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> 
> Well, it is a one-user box,

No it's not.  Unix hasn't just had "meat" users in 30 years.  If you
don't believe me, cat her box's /etc/passwd.

> but she is that user! When I SSH in I SSH in as 
> her.

That's horrible security practice.  Add an account for yourself, and
 ssh in under it.

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Re: (Mishap?) upgrading from Woody to Etch

[Daniel Burrows]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 06:38:59AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> was heard to say:
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 04:51:25AM -0700, Adam Hardy (debian) wrote:
> > If I put 'sarge' in all the sources.list urls, I should be able to upgrade
> > to sarge OK? Or is it too late? 
> 
> you should read the release notes for sarge first:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
> 
> and you might need to use "oldstable" as the identifier in
> sources.list. But yes, you should be able to upgrade to sarge. Once
> you're in the think of it, you might want to take the next step and
> move up to etch since it may go to old stable in the next few
> months. Then when that happens, you can move up to lenny when it's
> fairly fresh. At that point, you can let it go for another 5 years or
> so... ;-)

  You can use "sarge" in sources.list.  If you use "oldstable" you'll be
rudely upgraded to etch when lenny is released. ;-)

  Daniel


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Re: Total confusion with aptitude. Help, please!

[Daniel Burrows]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:48:02AM +, Alan Mackenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
was heard to say:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 08:47:35PM -0500, Mumia W.. wrote:
> > I suspect that your attempt to upgrade python broke your system. If you 
> > are not an expert with Debian, it is best to stick with a single 
> > distribution (e.g. "stable") rather than to mix distributions (e.g. 
> > "oldstable"+"stable").
> 
> I was expecting that in using a package manager, it would simply do the
> Right Thing, without me having to worry.

  aptitude prior to 0.4 gets really confused (as do other apt-based
package managers) if you try to mix distributions.  You can do it, but
you have to manually resolve any dependency problems that come up
because the package manager doesn't know how.  I think that 0.4 should
be better, but I don't normally use it this way.

> Again, I think the problem for
> me is that the meaning of "stable" has changed from "sarge" to "etch".
> Presumably this was a deliberate choice of the Debian team, on the
> assumption that most people would be upgrading as early as possible
> anyhow.  Is there a symbolic link (or something similar) in the Debian
> archive, something like "sarge" -> "oldstable", that I could use here in
> place of "stable"?

  There is not a symbolic link from sarge to oldstable, because that
would be a symlink loop. :-)  Release status names, like "stable" and
"testing", are symlinks to release names, like "sarge" and "etch";
they exist for the convenience of people who want to always have
whatever is currently "stable" or "testing".

  If for some reason you really want to keep using sarge, you should
change "stable" to "sarge" in sources.list.  Personally, I'd recommend
upgrading to etch unless you have a situation that prevents that (e.g.,
you have a low-powered computer that you know can't run etch).

  Daniel


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Re: (Mishap?) upgrading from Woody to Etch

[Adam Hardy]

Andrew Sackville-West on 20/06/08 14:38, wrote:

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 04:51:25AM -0700, Adam Hardy (debian) wrote:

[snipped tales of woe regarding mixed systems]


I have a 5 year-old system hosted on Xen by a hosting company, which I only
use for Java and mysql - currently it's running Woody and being slap-dash, I
tried to install a piece of software using apt-get, which promptly failed. 


Seeing the conversation above, it sounds bad - but I'm going to try
something otherwise I have to ask the hosting co to wipe my Xen slice for
me. 


If I put 'sarge' in all the sources.list urls, I should be able to upgrade
to sarge OK? Or is it too late? 


you should read the release notes for sarge first:

http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html

and you might need to use "oldstable" as the identifier in
sources.list. But yes, you should be able to upgrade to sarge. Once
you're in the think of it, you might want to take the next step and
move up to etch since it may go to old stable in the next few
months. Then when that happens, you can move up to lenny when it's
fairly fresh. At that point, you can let it go for another 5 years or
so... ;-)


OK!

Those upgrade instructions warn:

"Important! You should not upgrade using telnet, rlogin, rsh, or from an X 
session managed by xdm, gdm or kdm etc on the machine you are upgrading. That is 
because each of those services may well be terminated during the upgrade, which 
can result in an inaccessible system that is only half-upgraded."


Do you think ssh is deliberately excluded from that list of remote shells?

I can only get onto my server via ssh since the machine is at the hosting co's 
site (and indeed it's only a Xen slice, not a whole OS).



Adam



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Re: cut and paste with the screen program

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 08:21:46AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 05:34:17PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm using screen. (So I can have many terminals in one text-console).
> > How can I cut and paste between screen terminals? (using the keyboard) I'm 
> > totally blind and use braille and a little bit of speech.
> > 
> > Cheers, (And thanks for any help)
> 
> ctrl-a ]

more specifically, use "ctrl-a [" to switch to  copy mode. Then use
the cursor keys to move to the text you want to select. Use the spacebar
to mark the beginning of the selection, cursor keys to move to the end of the
selection, and spacebar to mark the end of the selection. The selected
text will be copied into the buffer. To paste this buffer, at the
current insertion point in whatever screen you choose, use "ctrl-a ]".

hth,

A


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Re: killall firefox-bin

[Nuno Magalhães]

The only ill-experience i have so far is when viewing a particular
website, fixefox messes up the window completely, it's barely usable.
But all i need to do is close that tab; no freezes. I am using the
unstable branch though.

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Iceweasel 3 UI color

[Benjamí Villoslada]

In KDE (and Sid) I've dark interface colors.

gtk-qt-engine package was fine with Iceweasel 2, but makes strange tabs in 
Iceweasel 3, and I've unistalled gtk-qt-engine.  No problem: after 
gtk-qt-engine uninstall, Iceweasel 3 have the same dark interface that KDE.  

But yesterday Iceweasel 3 have recovered your original interface champagne 
color :(

$ iceweasel --safe-mode

starts the program with the KDE the dark colors. Seems that the because the 
default theme doesn't works at 100%, but is not possible uninstall the 
default theme.

Anyone knows the User Interface CSS classes or IDs in order to change the 
colors?   I've located only uncomplete lists, and some elements remains with 
champagne color.

Thanks!


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Re: Root sending messages to users

[Brian McKee]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/20 Brian McKee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Does 'sudo wall' work for you?  I don't have a machine handy to try -

> No, wall is inappropriate because she is in KDE, not a terminal.

>> but it used to pop up in X too IIRC
>> Sends it to everybody - but if it's a one user box...

> Well, it is a one-user box, but she is that user! When I SSH in I SSH in as 
> her.

Darn it, now you've got me digging.  I'm sure on an old box I had
(Redhat 7.2 maybe?) wall messages were posted in X as well
automatically.   But I can' t figure out how now

Brian


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Re: where is xmms?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:04:52PM +0100, Michal R. Hoffmann wrote:
> On 19/06/08 22:34, Mark Allums wrote:
>> Ivan Glushkov wrote:
>>  > Hi all,
>>  > I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
>>  > to install xmms?
>>  >
>>
>> If I understand correctly, xmms is no longer considered stable or  
>> reliable; it has no maintainer, and has been abandoned by the upstream  
>> maintainer.  So, people using it need to transition to something else.  
>> I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.
>
> I would recommend Audacious. Previously I used winamp on Windows and  
> xmms on Linux. Audacious is very similar in 'feel', very sleek and does  
> the job. Plays mp3, mpc, ogg, flac, possibly many more :) Install  
> plugins package as well.


just to jump in... I recommend mpd with some kind of front end. I find
it just the thing: small, and out of the way. It's just a music player
daemon (hence the name). You can control it with a number of different
cli and graphical front ends. I like mpc, a cli frontend. You issue
commands like `mpc play` or `mpc next` etc. Makes it easy to script or
bind to WM keys.

.02

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Re: minimalist window managers [was Re: Preferred applications: IDE, text-editor, music player.]

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 12:01:59AM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I started with wmii, played with some others, and then stumbled on
> > xmonad and got hooked. to each their own. Just like
> > vimperator... tried it but I'm apparently not a vim guy... emacs seems
> > to suit me better, thus vimperator was a bad fit. I find I use a text
> > browser more and more.
> 
> what about conkeror? It was an extension to give Firefox Emacs-style
> keybindings, but is now a separate XULRunner browser.
> 
> http://conkeror.org/


interesting, thanks for this.

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Re: killall firefox-bin

[Sam Kuper]

2008/6/20 Jan Willem Stumpel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> "Iceweasel" as is it now unwisely called by Debian


It's not entirely unwise. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla

Sam

Re: (Mishap?) upgrading from Woody to Etch

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 04:51:25AM -0700, Adam Hardy (debian) wrote:

[snipped tales of woe regarding mixed systems]

> 
> I have a 5 year-old system hosted on Xen by a hosting company, which I only
> use for Java and mysql - currently it's running Woody and being slap-dash, I
> tried to install a piece of software using apt-get, which promptly failed. 
> 
> Seeing the conversation above, it sounds bad - but I'm going to try
> something otherwise I have to ask the hosting co to wipe my Xen slice for
> me. 
> 
> If I put 'sarge' in all the sources.list urls, I should be able to upgrade
> to sarge OK? Or is it too late? 

you should read the release notes for sarge first:

http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html

and you might need to use "oldstable" as the identifier in
sources.list. But yes, you should be able to upgrade to sarge. Once
you're in the think of it, you might want to take the next step and
move up to etch since it may go to old stable in the next few
months. Then when that happens, you can move up to lenny when it's
fairly fresh. At that point, you can let it go for another 5 years or
so... ;-)

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Re: eth0: no IPv6 router present

[Thomas H. George]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:00:50PM +1000, Alex Samad wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 01:44:40PM -0400, Thomas H. George wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:57:35AM -0500, W Paul Mills wrote:
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> > > Thomas H. George wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> > The network is still unreachable although all the machines
> > on the lan respond to pings.
> > 
> > Could the problem be the IP address 169.254.122.180 is still assigned to
> > eth0?  I have been unable to remove this and it is always the first item
> > in the output of ifconfig.  It is now followed by an entry for eth0:0
> > which contains the 192.168.2.102 address.  If the firewall sees
> > 169.254.122.180 it will drop the message on the floor.
> 
> can I suggest you us ip (from the iproute package).
> 
> If you interface was originally a dhcp interface, you have to kill
> dhcpclient as well as assigning a new address to the interface.
> 
> try
> ip addr show dev eth0
> 
> then 
> find and kill any dhcp clients looking on eth0
> ip a flush dev eth0
> 
> then add your address information 
> 
> ip a a dev eth0 192.168.2.102/24
> 
> use
> 
> ip route show
> 
> to show your route table
> 
> Alex
> 
The ip commands removed the dhcp clients and assigned the address
192.168.2.104 to eth0 but still no gateway .  I am reading an online
manual and tried adding 'via 192.168.2.102' to the ip command but this
was clearly wrong. ip responded, "Either 'local' is a duplicate or 'via'
is a garbage.  I'll study the manual more closely.  In any event iproute
is clearly the way to go and fortunately "-d lenny" installed it when I
built the Debian Live CD.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. 

Tom
> 
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Re: where is xmms?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Nuno Magalhães wrote:

Or,
You can use xmms2, which works as a daemon, and use some xmms2 client
(i'm currently using gKrellm plugins).
Both are on the mirrors.



Yes I saw that, xmms2 and wmxmms2.

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killall firefox-bin

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

At least once a day I have to give the command "killall
firefox-bin", because the systems just about freezes (at least the
browser does), and weird things happen to the X display. Do others
have the same experience?

"Iceweasel" as is it now unwisely called by Debian (although
according to ps aux the running process is still "firefox-bin")
seems to be unstable somehow. I don't know why. I can't predict
when this "freezing" will happen, so I can't file a bug about it;
it just happens, about one time per day.

Regards, Jan


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Re: where is xmms?

[Nuno Magalhães]

Or,
You can use xmms2, which works as a daemon, and use some xmms2 client
(i'm currently using gKrellm plugins).
Both are on the mirrors.

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Re: SOLVED: Re: Xorg broken in Lenny

[Chris Lale]

Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2008-06-20 12:31 +0200, Chris Lale wrote:
> 
>> The diverted files were "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so" and
>> "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so". I removed them with 
>> dpkg-divert
>> and upgraded xserver-xorg-core successfully. My X Window System is restored!
>>
>> nvidia-glx non-free (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver) exists in Sarge and 
>> Etch,
>> (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver) in Sid, but not in Lenny. I don't know how to 
>> find
>> out whether it used to be in Lenny. My Lenny was an upgrade from Etch - 
>> perhaps
>> it's remembering it from there?
> 
> The diversion was added after Etch, according to
> /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/changelog.Debian.gz:
> 
> ,
> | nvidia-graphics-drivers (100.14.19-1) unstable; urgency=low
> | 
> |   * new upstream.
> |   * Xorg 7.3 compatible (closes: #420177 )
> |   * divert libwfb.so and libGLcore.so (closes: #442846, #441400)
> |   * change maintainer to packaging team.
> |   * change x11-common depends to 1:7.3+2
> |   * change provides to xserver-xorg-video-2
> |   * remove use of update-modules (closes: #435650)
> | 
> |  -- Randall Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:16:06 -0700
> `
> 
> At that time nvidia-glx had already been removed from Lenny.
> The diversion has been removed in the meantime, though:
> 
> ,
> | nvidia-graphics-drivers (169.12-3) unstable; urgency=low
> | 
> |   * Make sure wfb diversion is removed. (closes: #482995)
> | 
> |  -- Randall Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Mon, 26 May 2008 09:27:40 -0700
> | 
> | nvidia-graphics-drivers (169.12-2) unstable; urgency=low
> | 
> |   * Add initial linux-modules-nonfree-2.6 intergration, 2.6.24 only
> |   * create storage directories for old patches and don't include in binary
> | packages.
> |   * Remove wfb diversion and don't install nvidia's copy.
> |   * Patch for 2.6.25 support
> |   * Patch to compile on xen enabled kernels (closes: #476504, #481485)
> | 
> |  -- Randall Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Sat, 24 May 2008 19:57:18 -0700
> `
> 
> Which version did you have installed last?

I don't know. I removed it some time ago.
> 
>> I'll report this as a bug in xserver-xorg-core.
> 
> Please don't.  This is a bug in nvidia-glx and already fixed.
> 
I'm too keen - already done. It's already been closed, though, for this reason.

Thanks again.

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Re: where is xmms?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 06/19/08 21:20, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 06/19/08 21:02, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ivan Glushkov wrote:

Hi all,
I have a sid x64 installed. I am wandering why there is no possibility
to install xmms?

lili2:/usr/src# apt-cache search xmms



I have sid i386 and xmms still shows up:

...
wmxmms2 - remote-control dockapp for XMMS2
...
xmms2 - Client/server based media player system
...
xmms - Versatile X audio player
...

Specifically wmxmms is handy with fvwm, which audacious doesn't have: it
shows up as a docked application and clicking it will start it.

It would be interesting to see what the results of this command are
on your computer:

$ apt-cache policy xmms
xmms:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache policy xmms
xmms:
  Installed: 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1
  Candidate: 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1
  Version table:
 *** 1:1.2.10+20070601-1+b1 0
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


Which indicates that it's not in Sid anymore...  Copy those .deb
files to a safe place before doing an "apt-get clean"!!!



No need: I do dpkg-repack and reprepro so I have it in the mirror.
But I am switching to audacious, although that has no windowmaker app to 
control it like wmxmms.


Hugo


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Re: Monitoring Net Traffic From the Console or Another Comptuer

[M. Piscaer]

Hal Vaughan schreef:
I have a workstation and several other computers on my LAN, all running 
Linux -- either Debian or Ubuntu (Kubuntu for the workstation, Sarge on 
the rest -- please don't start on the version, I'll be updating it in 
my copious amounts of free time one year).


I am connecting to a computer through ssh and running some Perl programs 
on it.  I need to be able to see what is going out from that computer 
to a web site so I can verify the HTTP headers and data going both 
ways.  If this were on the workstation, I'd use Wireshark, but this 
system is console only and I'm not about to install X on it and deal 
with switching monitors for this one issue.


Is there any program (I couldn't find one) that I can run on this 
computer, via SSH, that will give me packet info I can scan in the same 
way I do with Wireshark when I've got X on a system?


And if that doesn't work, is there a way to get Wireshark to read what 
goes between other NICs?


The workstation is the only computer on the LAN with X, so I can't run 
Wireshark on any server or firewall system.



Thanks!

Hal


  


I use tcpdump in an situation like that. With the option -w filename 
-s0, you capture all of the packets in an file. With scp i copy the file 
to the local machine, en use wireshare to analise the file.


Regards,

Michiel Piscaer


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Re: (Mishap?) upgrading from Woody to Etch

[Adam Hardy (debian)]

>On Sun, Sep 09, 2007 at 07:34:22PM +0100, Chris Austin wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have had a Debian system working very well since 2003, when I installed
>> it
>> from the Stable system, which was Woody at the time.  Recently I wanted
>> to
>
>... snipped woes of a partial upgrade ...
>
>> hit an error trying to upgrade libc6, even after I exited KDE and tried
>> to
>> stop kdm with the kill signal in top.  I then found that kdm no longer
>> restarted KDE, 
>
>...
>
>Chris, I'm quite sure that this kind of partial upgrade is completely
>unsupported. It also appears that you've borked the system
>sufficiently well that you're better off starting from
>scratch. sorry. Debian went through some serious changes between
>woody and etch -- a whole new X system, a whole new libc, among
>others. Your would be better spent backing up what you need and
>reinstalling etch. It is surely possible to save your system, but it
>will probably be very time-consuming and you will end up with an etch
>system anyway. 

I have a 5 year-old system hosted on Xen by a hosting company, which I only
use for Java and mysql - currently it's running Woody and being slap-dash, I
tried to install a piece of software using apt-get, which promptly failed. 

Seeing the conversation above, it sounds bad - but I'm going to try
something otherwise I have to ask the hosting co to wipe my Xen slice for
me. 

If I put 'sarge' in all the sources.list urls, I should be able to upgrade
to sarge OK? Or is it too late? 

I just want to install galrey to generate some image galleries for some
images I scp'd over. I guess I could find a java webapp which could do this
too if this fails. 

Thanks!
Adam

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Re: lynx and mutt

[Jochen Schulz]

Daniel Dalton:
> 
> Does anyone know how to make mutt use lynx when I enter on a url?

aptitude install urlview.

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[Daniel Dalton]

Hi,

Does anyone know how to make mutt use lynx when I enter on a url?

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