Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Friday 2008 December 12 22:41:17 Adrian Levi wrote:
>2008/12/11 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. :
>> iwl3945 -- My personal cross to bear. :(
>
>I'm not using any access restrictions
>on the access point itself, it's basically open.

Both the APs I need to deal with regularly are WPA Personal.

>Mine is an Acer 5920G-3A2G25MN, suspend and resume working flawlessly.

Inspiron E1505, and suspend and resume are also working well since I got off 
the older ifw3945 driver.

>What have you been using?

The non-free firmware, which troubles me.  I was under the impression that 
free software would drive all the hardware in the laptop, and was a bit 
disappointed that I needed non-free software to use the wifi.

For the next laptop, I will do more research and hopefully get one where all 
the integrated hardware is driven by free software, Debian (preferably 
stable) in specific.
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Re: problem with SATA disk, difference between standard kernel and Debian kernel

[Adrian Levi]

2008/12/11 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. :

> iwl3945 -- My personal cross to bear. :(

I have been using 2.6.27.7 for a while now, seems pretty stable. With
a plain debian kernel 2.6.26 I would somwtimes have to press the wifi
kill switch to kill the driver and press it again to get it to
associate with my access point. I'm not using any access restrictions
on the access point itself, it's basically open.

Mine is an Acer 5920G-3A2G25MN, suspend and resume working flawlessly.

What have you been using?

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Re: need help with net configuration

[Thomas Preud'homme]

The Saturday 13 December 2008 05:02:20 raman narasimhan, you wrote :
> sir,
> me and a friend of mine had installed debian etch together. i configured my
> Internet while installing itself but my friend didn't. both of us have ADSL
> broadband connections. i'm now able to browse the net freely but his net
> settings haven't been set. how can we connect his system to the Internet??
> does it need any specific packages??


Are you connected to internet via ethernet behind a router or directly with a 
modem ? If this is the case, what is the modem ? How is it connected to the 
computer (USB, ...) ?

Regards,

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need help with net configuration

[raman narasimhan]

sir,
me and a friend of mine had installed debian etch together. i configured my
Internet while installing itself but my friend didn't. both of us have ADSL
broadband connections. i'm now able to browse the net freely but his net
settings haven't been set. how can we connect his system to the Internet??
does it need any specific packages??

need help with net configuration

[raman narasimhan]

sir,
me and a friend of mine had installed debian etch together. i configured my
Internet while installing itself but my friend didn't. both of us have ADSL
broadband connections. i'm now able to browse the net freely but his net
settings haven't been set. how can we connect his system to the Internet??
does it need any specific packages??

Re: expand /var, decrease /home space

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:56:06PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > For mv, cp, ln, et. al the path to put the result is determined by the last 
> > argument.  It's consistent because it's UNIX.
> 
> Well, FWIW 'man ln' tells:
> 
>ln [OPTION]... [-T] TARGET LINK_NAME   (1st form)
>ln [OPTION]... TARGET  (2nd form)
>ln [OPTION]... TARGET... DIRECTORY (3rd form)
>ln [OPTION]... -t DIRECTORY TARGET...  (4th form)
> 
> So there are 4 ways of invoking ln. Twice the target is the last
> argument, twice the one before the last. This just seem to indicate that
> you can pick whichever order sounds most consistent to you... 8-)

Or, just use mc  Alt-x-S I think.


I've also used mc when I need to do the filesystem shuffle.

Doug.


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Re: cupsys installation

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:11:56PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote:
> Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 
> libraries?
> 
> I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the 
> resources available for needlessly running X11.
> 

If you have a resource-limited box, you probably don't want to run CUPS.
What is it you're trying to do.  CUPS is only one of a few print spooler
systems available.  

Doug.


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Re: SA-Exim and acls [solved]

[David Purton]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:35:50PM -0600, lee wrote:
> Ok, I wanted to find out something and added acl_not_smtp:
> 
> 
> [...]
> acl_not_smtp  = acl_other_protocol
> acl_smtp_helo = acl_check_helo
> acl_smtp_rcpt = acl_check_rcpt
> acl_smtp_data = acl_check_data
> [...]
> begin acl
> 

ah - nice. I see your point. I didn't know about acl_not_smtp. I
switched to setting headers in the rcpt acl and the not smtp acl and
checking for headers with sa-exim instead. it works just like I want it
to. I think the only disadvantage of headers is that they can of course
be spoofed.

Thanks for your help.

dc

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Re: Open-vpn/ldap

[Alex Samad]

are you talking about openpvn the virtual networking package




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> Is there anybody use open-vpn with microsoft ldap?my microsoft d.c. server is 
> working on standard server edition and I just read that on a non official 
> site ,for ldap authentication, open-vpn can only work with enterprise server 
> editions of microsoft o.s. 
> If there is anybody use both of them together could let me know?
> Thank you.
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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[Micha Feigin]

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:37:04 +0100
Bernard  wrote:

> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 
> >2008/12/11 Micha Feigin :
> >  
> >
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>Sorry for being a bit off topic but it's time for a new laptop that will run
> >>linux solely and I'm looking for recomendation on what has a good build
> >>quallity (will travel), descent battery life, although more important is
> >>good computing power and a good screen at 15.4" (needs to be workable with
> >>the screen) at a price range of around 1500$ rough ballpark. Good service
> >>is a must since it's a working laptop.
> >>
> >>I know that hp and compaq are a big no no (build quality is shaky at
> >>best).  I also have the worst experience possible with Sony support on just
> >>about every continent (haven't managed to run into worse).  Lenovo 3000
> >>series also has a bad track run at our uni in terms of build quallity, no
> >>experience with the ideapad pad heard that they are not much brighter.
> >>
> >>Currently the best candidates are the lenovo thinkpad series (either stick
> >>with the older and probed t61 or go with the t500 or similar), mac (not
> >>sure about the one button issue although the design is nice).
> >>
> >>Runner up is Dell, although the hardware seems a bit cheap when looking at
> >>the drivers (especially the touchpad which tends to be alps which isn't up
> >>to par with the synaptic).
> >>
> >>Toshiba local dealers didn't prove themselves with a friends laptop.
> >>
> >>Can't find anyone with experience with lg and fujitsu.
> >>
> >>Will be happy for feedback/experience/hardware trouble/Service experience in
> >>case of mulfunciton etc.
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I've got a Dell Inspiron E1505 / 6400 2.0 gHz Duo Core laptop with 2GB
> >of RAM that I've been lugging on my back since January 2007. 15.4"
> >1680x1050 screen, works great with Compiz, wifi, bluetooth. Terrific
> >keyboard too. At the time it was about $1200 but it should be less
> >now. My only regret is the 80 GB hard drive, which is too small. Be
> >sure that you get a 7200 RPM hard drive no matter what size you buy.
> >
> >  
> >
> I have read this thread with much interest, since I am planning to 
> purchase a new laptop. My old IBM Thinkpad 600 is too old (about 8 years 
> old). I might have bought a Lenovo Thinkpad T61, but they are awfully 
> expensive here : in the range 1800 to 2400 Euros, while DELL is much 
> cheaper (380 Euros for a DELL Inspiron 1525, which is 4-5 times 
> cheaper). The Inspiron 1505 no longer exists, as they write on their 
> website, pointing out that the new 1525 is better and cheaper.
> 
> Does anyone know about that DELL Inspiron 1525 ?   It is being sold with 
> Ubuntu v8.04 installed, but I plan to install Debian Etch instead, maybe 
> even Lenny. Its default characteristics are as follow :
> 

It's a bit of apples and oranges. The dell inspiron is a home laptop, which
should be compared (somewhat) to the r series if you go for the proper thinkpad
line or the lenovo 3000 which at least in our uni, they recomend the staff to
avoid since people have had a lot of problems with.

The t61 is more comparable to the latitude line (business) and vostro (small
business, cheaper but a bit heavier)

In general Dells are cheaper though, but they also give you less.

> - Intel Celeron processor 560 (2.13 GHz, 533 MHz FSB
> - 1 MB L2 cache

Thats borderline for a new computer

> - screen WXGA 15.4" (1280x800)

Thats the low end screens. If there is an option for 1440xwhatever or 1680x1050
I would go for it as those are better screens

> - HD 120 GB 5400 rpm
> - battery 6 cells (I suppose it is a Li-ion, but it is not specified)
> 
> There is an extra charge of 85 Euros if you want a HD 160 GB that spins 
> at 7200 rpm ;
> an extra charge of 240 Euros for a processor Intel Core 2 duo TB100 ;
> and an extra charge of 300 Euros for Intel Core 2 duo TB300
>

What are you planning to use the laptop for? For office and network it's ok, if
you want a little more I would go with the core 2, although I don't know these
models.
 
> I might request the HD that spins at 7200 rpm since it is being said 
> that it is safer in case of fall.
> 

Don't know about safer in case of a fall, it's not due to the 7200rpm, could be
a harddisk feature. My current t61 thinkpad has accelerometers that park the
drive (software daemon) in case of a fall or a hit. Depends on drive support
for parking the heads though

> Thank in advance for your any advice or recommandation.
> 
> 

I would go with the vosotro line if you want to save money and stick with
dell. The inspiron is similar to all other home lines which are cheap in all
respects, not just the money.

I like the t61 but it's old now. the t500 are out, but the reviews are mixed,
apparently the keyboard has been replaced with a cheaper one. They are not
cheap of course, but you abuse your laptop it will probably pay off.

A friend of mine has the vosotro 1440 I think (I believe it has been replaced
also with a newe

Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[Bernard]

Dotan Cohen wrote:


2008/12/11 Micha Feigin :
 


Hello,

Sorry for being a bit off topic but it's time for a new laptop that will run
linux solely and I'm looking for recomendation on what has a good build
quallity (will travel), descent battery life, although more important is good
computing power and a good screen at 15.4" (needs to be workable with the
screen) at a price range of around 1500$ rough ballpark. Good service is a must
since it's a working laptop.

I know that hp and compaq are a big no no (build quality is shaky at best).  I
also have the worst experience possible with Sony support on just about every
continent (haven't managed to run into worse).  Lenovo 3000 series also has a
bad track run at our uni in terms of build quallity, no experience with the
ideapad pad heard that they are not much brighter.

Currently the best candidates are the lenovo thinkpad series (either stick with
the older and probed t61 or go with the t500 or similar), mac (not sure about
the one button issue although the design is nice).

Runner up is Dell, although the hardware seems a bit cheap when looking at the
drivers (especially the touchpad which tends to be alps which isn't up to par
with the synaptic).

Toshiba local dealers didn't prove themselves with a friends laptop.

Can't find anyone with experience with lg and fujitsu.

Will be happy for feedback/experience/hardware trouble/Service experience in
case of mulfunciton etc.

Thanks

   



I've got a Dell Inspiron E1505 / 6400 2.0 gHz Duo Core laptop with 2GB
of RAM that I've been lugging on my back since January 2007. 15.4"
1680x1050 screen, works great with Compiz, wifi, bluetooth. Terrific
keyboard too. At the time it was about $1200 but it should be less
now. My only regret is the 80 GB hard drive, which is too small. Be
sure that you get a 7200 RPM hard drive no matter what size you buy.

 

I have read this thread with much interest, since I am planning to 
purchase a new laptop. My old IBM Thinkpad 600 is too old (about 8 years 
old). I might have bought a Lenovo Thinkpad T61, but they are awfully 
expensive here : in the range 1800 to 2400 Euros, while DELL is much 
cheaper (380 Euros for a DELL Inspiron 1525, which is 4-5 times 
cheaper). The Inspiron 1505 no longer exists, as they write on their 
website, pointing out that the new 1525 is better and cheaper.


Does anyone know about that DELL Inspiron 1525 ?   It is being sold with 
Ubuntu v8.04 installed, but I plan to install Debian Etch instead, maybe 
even Lenny. Its default characteristics are as follow :


- Intel Celeron processor 560 (2.13 GHz, 533 MHz FSB
- 1 MB L2 cache
- screen WXGA 15.4" (1280x800)
- HD 120 GB 5400 rpm
- battery 6 cells (I suppose it is a Li-ion, but it is not specified)

There is an extra charge of 85 Euros if you want a HD 160 GB that spins 
at 7200 rpm ;

an extra charge of 240 Euros for a processor Intel Core 2 duo TB100 ;
and an extra charge of 300 Euros for Intel Core 2 duo TB300

I might request the HD that spins at 7200 rpm since it is being said 
that it is safer in case of fall.


Thank in advance for your any advice or recommandation.


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Open-vpn/ldap

[Cihan Dogan - TRISTIT]

Is there anybody use open-vpn with microsoft ldap?my microsoft d.c. server is 
working on standard server edition and I just read that on a non official site 
,for ldap authentication, open-vpn can only work with enterprise server 
editions of microsoft o.s. 
If there is anybody use both of them together could let me know?
Thank you.

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Re: How to import T-bird files from Windows to Debian/lenny?

[Jochen Schulz]

Dennis Wicks:
> 
> The latest problem is how can I, if I can at all, import her T-bird mail 
> folders/files/address books from Windows to Debian? I sure hope this is 
> an FAQ some where!

It may be enough to just copy her profile folder to
~/.mozilla-thunderbird.

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Re: tcpip stops working after some time

[subscriptions]

On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 22:10 +0100, Micha Feigin wrote:
> 
> For some reason after a few days of uptime , tcp stops working on my
> machine.
> Ping and dns lookups work, tcp doesn't. I tried both wired and
> wireless,
> removing the firewall and unloading all firewall related modules but
> nothing
> seems to change.
> 
> Only restarting seems to help
> 
> Any ideas what else could it be?
> 
> Thanks

Try 'netstat -atn' to see if you have filled all ports.

Best,

Rob


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Re: tcpip stops working after some time

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/12/08 15:10, Micha Feigin wrote:

For some reason after a few days of uptime , tcp stops working on my machine.
Ping and dns lookups work, tcp doesn't. I tried both wired and wireless,
removing the firewall and unloading all firewall related modules but nothing
seems to change.

Only restarting seems to help

Any ideas what else could it be?


Anything is /var/log/syslog?

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Re: expand /var, decrease /home space

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> For mv, cp, ln, et. al the path to put the result is determined by the last 
> argument.  It's consistent because it's UNIX.

Well, FWIW 'man ln' tells:

   ln [OPTION]... [-T] TARGET LINK_NAME   (1st form)
   ln [OPTION]... TARGET  (2nd form)
   ln [OPTION]... TARGET... DIRECTORY (3rd form)
   ln [OPTION]... -t DIRECTORY TARGET...  (4th form)

So there are 4 ways of invoking ln. Twice the target is the last
argument, twice the one before the last. This just seem to indicate that
you can pick whichever order sounds most consistent to you... 8-)

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Re: tp_smapi config [Was OT: laptop recomendations]

[Micha Feigin]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:23:35 -0400
tyler  wrote:

> Winfried Tilanus  writes:
> 
> > Install the tp_smapi modules. See http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi
> > for more information.
> 
> oops. I'm missing something. I just installed the tp-smapi packages for
> my kernel, and according to the documentation on thinkwiki, I can set
> the start and stop thresholds with this:
> 
> echo 40 > /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/start_charge_thresh 
> echo 70 > /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/stop_charge_thresh 
> 
> Except that there is no /sys/devices/platform/smapi directory on my
> system, and I cannot create the directory with mkdir. I searched my
> entire system for smapi directories, BAT0 directories, or files names
> {start,stop}_charge_thresh, but none exist. I tried rebooting, in case
> there was some mystic kernel thing going on, but that didn't help. I
> tried modprobe -l, which confirmed that the smapi modules were loaded:
> 

do lsmod to make sure that they are loaded

>   /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/extra/tp-smapi/thinkpad_ec.ko
>   /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/extra/tp-smapi/tp_smapi.ko
> 
> I'm a little over my head - What do I need to do to get this set up?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tyler
> 
> 
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tcpip stops working after some time

[Micha Feigin]

For some reason after a few days of uptime , tcp stops working on my machine.
Ping and dns lookups work, tcp doesn't. I tried both wired and wireless,
removing the firewall and unloading all firewall related modules but nothing
seems to change.

Only restarting seems to help

Any ideas what else could it be?

Thanks


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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[Micha Feigin]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:10:35 -0500
Celejar  wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:20:03 +0200
> Micha Feigin  wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> > Not completely, what newer batteries hate is heat, over and under charging.
> > If it's always plugged in it may kill the battery rather quickly. What I
> > have on my current thinkpad is the ability to stop charging before 100% and
> > that can add quite a bit of like to the battery.
> 
> Thanks for the information.  I've been using my laptop for about two
> years, for an average of probably several hours of power-on a day.  The
> design_charge is 200, and the current / now charge is 1792000, so I
> suppose it hasn't degraded too badly yet.  This is, I believe, a bottom
> of the barrel battery, on a rather low end system, which I guess also
> means less power draw, although my understanding is that the Celeron
> has crippled power management.  When new, I got a fairly consistent 1.5
> hours till shutdown, and I haven't done a drain test recently.
> 
> You mention overcharging; as Ismael says in another message in this
> thread, the system seems to know when the battery is full and stops
> charging; the power LED goes from red to green, and ACPI reports
> "full", not "charging".   Does it really keep charging, to the
> detriment of the batter?
> 

It depends on how good they built the circuitry. If the led changes color then
I guess that it actually stops charging.

The issue is like this, battery charge percentage isn't an exact value, to make
sure that you are at a 100% you need to over charge it and see that it stops
there. If you stop at approximately 80% you're not over charging. Apart from
that, if you disconnect and reconnect again, you start charging again even if
it dropped just to 99.5%. What I do is set a stop charge limit at 85% and a
start charge limit at 75% so it doesn't immediately start charging again.

The problem is that this is possible only with newer thinkpads AFAIK.

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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[Micha Feigin]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:12:47 -0200
"Ismael Scalcon"  wrote:

> Well, both my EEE Pc and my girlfriend's Aspire 4520 stop charging the
> battery when 100% (the battery charging light turn off and the OS
> energy manager just says "Using AC" instead of "Charging". Both in my
> EEE Pc Debian and My girlfriends Aspire Windows XP.
> 

100% is too much for normal work, the battery has a better lifespan if you
limit it to 90% or so, but AFAIK this is only possible with (possibly
newer) thinkpads.

> 2008/12/12 Michael Shuler :
> > On 12/12/2008 05:58 AM, tyler wrote:
> >> Micha Feigin  writes:
> >>
> >>> Not completely, what newer batteries hate is heat, over and under
> >>> charging. If it's always plugged in it may kill the battery rather
> >>> quickly. What I have on my current thinkpad is the ability to stop
> >>> charging before 100% and that can add quite a bit of like to the
> >>> battery.
> >>
> >> How do you do this? I've got a thinkpad R60, and I've been plugging it
> >> in when it runs low, then (when I remember), unplugging it when it
> >> reaches full charge. Is there some way to automate this? I know the
> >> Windows partition has some configuration options, but I don't know how
> >> to do this under Debian.
> >
> > Been using settings for charge control from here for a year or so:
> > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi#Battery_charge_control_features
> >
> > --
> > Kind Regards,
> > Michael Shuler
> >
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How to import T-bird files from Windows to Debian/lenny?

[Dennis Wicks]

Greetings;

Since my wife's Windows machine has degraded to the point 
that it is barely usable I have managed to convince her it 
is time to move up to Linux! Hooray!


The latest problem is how can I, if I can at all, import her 
T-bird mail folders/files/address books from Windows to 
Debian? I sure hope this is an FAQ some where!


Many TIA!
Dennis


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Re: cupsys installation

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/12/08 15:20, Tom Allison wrote:

What about the cups server?


Hmmm, you're right.  I really did think that cups was a dummy, and 
that the daemon was in a separate package.  Mea culpa.



On Dec 12, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Ron Johnson  wrote:


On 12/12/08 12:11, Tom Allison wrote:
Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 
libraries?
I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the 
resources available for needlessly running X11.


The package cups is a "dummy" that simply depends on a kitchen sink 
full of packages.


For a non-GUI system, install:
libcups2 libcupsimage2 cups-common cups-client

and probably:
cups-bsd cups-driver-gutenprint


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Re: Is there a default firewall on Debian Etch

[Tom Allison]

I'm not aware of a default. But I started using Shorewall and found it  
extremely capable. That capability comes with a degree of complexity.


On Dec 12, 2008, at 1:02 PM, chris  wrote:


On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:25:46 -0600, Brendan West wrote:

I am needing to find out if there is a default firewall on Etch and  
how
to control it (change settings, allow ports, programs, ect.).  How  
can I

do this?  Thanks for any ideas.



http://packages.debian.org/etch/net/arno-iptables-firewall

Very easy to configure with debconf. The firewall.conf itself is  
heavily

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Re: cupsys installation

[Tom Allison]

What about the cups server?

On Dec 12, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Ron Johnson  wrote:


On 12/12/08 12:11, Tom Allison wrote:
Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11  
libraries?
I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the  
resources available for needlessly running X11.


The package cups is a "dummy" that simply depends on a kitchen sink  
full of packages.


For a non-GUI system, install:
libcups2 libcupsimage2 cups-common cups-client

and probably:
cups-bsd cups-driver-gutenprint


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Re: expand /var, decrease /home space

[steve]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> 
> Yeah "source" and "destination" get a but confused when you are talking about 
> creating a symlink.  But, you should think of "ln" as a special form of "cp" 
> (which it is), then consider "-s" just an option that doesn't change the 
> order of arguments (which it is), and you should get the order right.
> 
> For mv, cp, ln, et. al the path to put the result is determined by the last 
> argument.  It's consistent because it's UNIX.

thanks for the tip!




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Re: cupsys installation

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/12/08 12:11, Tom Allison wrote:
Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 
libraries?


I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the 
resources available for needlessly running X11.


The package cups is a "dummy" that simply depends on a kitchen sink 
full of packages.


For a non-GUI system, install:
libcups2 libcupsimage2 cups-common cups-client

and probably:
cups-bsd cups-driver-gutenprint


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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[Celejar]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:20:03 +0200
Micha Feigin  wrote:

...

> Not completely, what newer batteries hate is heat, over and under charging. If
> it's always plugged in it may kill the battery rather quickly. What I have on
> my current thinkpad is the ability to stop charging before 100% and that can
> add quite a bit of like to the battery.

Thanks for the information.  I've been using my laptop for about two
years, for an average of probably several hours of power-on a day.  The
design_charge is 200, and the current / now charge is 1792000, so I
suppose it hasn't degraded too badly yet.  This is, I believe, a bottom
of the barrel battery, on a rather low end system, which I guess also
means less power draw, although my understanding is that the Celeron
has crippled power management.  When new, I got a fairly consistent 1.5
hours till shutdown, and I haven't done a drain test recently.

You mention overcharging; as Ismael says in another message in this
thread, the system seems to know when the battery is full and stops
charging; the power LED goes from red to green, and ACPI reports
"full", not "charging".   Does it really keep charging, to the
detriment of the batter?

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Re: SA-Exim and acls

[lee]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 03:34:05AM -0600, lee wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 05:50:10PM +1030, David Purton wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:34:57AM -0600, lee wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:26:10AM +1030, David Purton wrote:
> > > 
> > > > acl_check_rcpt:
> > > >   warn hosts = :
> > > >set acl_m0 = do-not-scan
> > > > 
> > > > then in sa-exim.conf I have
> > > > 
> > > >   SAEximRunCond: ${if !eq {$acl_m0}{do-not-scan} {1}{0}}
> > 
> > - the above is an example that matches for
> > when exim is called via commandline by an MUA such as mutt.
> 
> In that case, there is no SMTP involved, and acl_smtp_rcpt is not
> being run.

Ok, I wanted to find out something and added acl_not_smtp:


[...]
acl_not_smtp  = acl_other_protocol
acl_smtp_helo = acl_check_helo
acl_smtp_rcpt = acl_check_rcpt
acl_smtp_data = acl_check_data
[...]
begin acl

acl_other_protocol:

  warn log_message = processing non-SMTP message
  accept
[...]
acl_check_rcpt:

  warn  hosts = :
log_message = this message has an empty host field
[...]


When sending mail with mutt via SMTP, none of the conditions
apply. But when sending mail with mutt without SMTP (the default for
mutt), I'm getting the message about it in /var/log/exim4/mainlog.


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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[Sergey Skorokhodov]

Hi,



> 
> picked up a thinkpad T42 off lease, nice machine, everything works out
> of the box.  also have an acer aspire, amd, nvidia, everything worked
> out of the box.  alienware m9700, everything works except webcam.
> 
About apire... No problems with hot keys? No problems with
suspend/resume?

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cupsys installation

[Tom Allison]

Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 
libraries?


I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the 
resources available for needlessly running X11.



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Re: expand /var, decrease /home space

[Celejar]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:20:44 -0600
"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr."  wrote:

...

> Yeah "source" and "destination" get a but confused when you are talking about 
> creating a symlink.  But, you should think of "ln" as a special form of "cp" 
> (which it is), then consider "-s" just an option that doesn't change the 
> order of arguments (which it is), and you should get the order right.
> 
> For mv, cp, ln, et. al the path to put the result is determined by the last 
> argument.  It's consistent because it's UNIX.

Great explanation; maybe now I'll be able to remember this, without
having to constantly check the manpages!

> Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.                     ,= ,-_-. =. 

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Re: Is there a default firewall on Debian Etch

[chris]

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:25:46 -0600, Brendan West wrote:

> I am needing to find out if there is a default firewall on Etch and how
> to control it (change settings, allow ports, programs, ect.).  How can I
> do this?  Thanks for any ideas.
> 

http://packages.debian.org/etch/net/arno-iptables-firewall

Very easy to configure with debconf. The firewall.conf itself is heavily 
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Re: common folder for a group of users

[Jerome BENOIT]

Thanks a lot !
Jerome

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

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Hello,

thanks for your quick reply.

I have an another question:
may the MASK of the involved user be adapted ?


Yes. [1] recommends package 'libpam-umask' in its section 'Shared
Directories'.

Johannes

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopHowTo
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Re: [OT] Server for Debian + MySQL

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/12/08 10:02, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
[snip]


Also, particularly where I come from (U.S.; specifically "The South"), English 
speakers don't follow the formal rules of grammar well.


But at least we know that gals aren't guys -- or sheep -- and that 
counts for a whole lot!


 So, nouns get 
verbed, and verbs get nouned, words and phrases get abbreviated, mangled, and 
misunderstood, and the language evolves.  (There are probably some more 
serious errors in a 1913 dictionary than not having the noun form of some 
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tp_smapi config [Was OT: laptop recomendations]

[tyler]

Winfried Tilanus  writes:

> Install the tp_smapi modules. See http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi
> for more information.

oops. I'm missing something. I just installed the tp-smapi packages for
my kernel, and according to the documentation on thinkwiki, I can set
the start and stop thresholds with this:

echo 40 > /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/start_charge_thresh 
echo 70 > /sys/devices/platform/smapi/BAT0/stop_charge_thresh 

Except that there is no /sys/devices/platform/smapi directory on my
system, and I cannot create the directory with mkdir. I searched my
entire system for smapi directories, BAT0 directories, or files names
{start,stop}_charge_thresh, but none exist. I tried rebooting, in case
there was some mystic kernel thing going on, but that didn't help. I
tried modprobe -l, which confirmed that the smapi modules were loaded:

  /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/extra/tp-smapi/thinkpad_ec.ko
  /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/extra/tp-smapi/tp_smapi.ko

I'm a little over my head - What do I need to do to get this set up?

Thanks,

Tyler



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Re: expand /var, decrease /home space

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Friday 2008 December 12 03:55:14 Chris Davies wrote:
>steve  wrote:
>> ok, well I wanted to avoid that if all possible anyway, tried this ln -s
>> /var/www/download /home/steve/public_html [...]
>>
>> thats creating a symbolic link from download directory (which has
>> no space left) to a directory that has 280 gig free in it.
>
>No. That has created a link to /var/www/download in
>/home/steve/public_html. ("ln -s" is counter intuitive, IMO. The arguments
>always seem to need to be the other way round.)

Yeah "source" and "destination" get a but confused when you are talking about 
creating a symlink.  But, you should think of "ln" as a special form of "cp" 
(which it is), then consider "-s" just an option that doesn't change the 
order of arguments (which it is), and you should get the order right.

For mv, cp, ln, et. al the path to put the result is determined by the last 
argument.  It's consistent because it's UNIX.
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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[Daryl Styrk]

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tyler wrote:
> Micha Feigin  writes:
> 
>> Not completely, what newer batteries hate is heat, over and under
>> charging. If it's always plugged in it may kill the battery rather
>> quickly. What I have on my current thinkpad is the ability to stop
>> charging before 100% and that can add quite a bit of like to the
>> battery.
> 
> How do you do this? I've got a thinkpad R60, and I've been plugging it
> in when it runs low, then (when I remember), unplugging it when it
> reaches full charge. Is there some way to automate this? I know the
> Windows partition has some configuration options, but I don't know how
> to do this under Debian.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tyler
> 
> 

My t61 always stops at 96%



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Re: [OT] Server for Debian + MySQL

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Friday 2008 December 12 09:08:15 Arc Roca wrote:
>I think that the disconnect here is when one compares two different
>
>
>Disconnect Dis`con*nect", v. t. [imp. & p. p. Disconnected;
> p. pr. & vb. n. Disconnecting.]
> To dissolve the union or connection of; to disunite; to
> sever; to separate; to disperse.
> [1913 Webster]
>etc
>
>I have seen lately the use of verbs in place of nouns:
>disconnect in place of disconnection
>resolve in place of resolution
>etc
>I myself am not a native English speaker, but this usage sounds strange.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disconnect

I don't know how long the noun usage has been around, but I remember hearing 
it as a child (20 years ago), so I'd say you just need to update your 
dictionary.  (1913 Websters, really?)

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/resolve

When this is used as a noun, it doesn't mean "place of resolution" or at least 
not "place where resolving occurs".

Also, particularly where I come from (U.S.; specifically "The South"), English 
speakers don't follow the formal rules of grammar well.  So, nouns get 
verbed, and verbs get nouned, words and phrases get abbreviated, mangled, and 
misunderstood, and the language evolves.  (There are probably some more 
serious errors in a 1913 dictionary than not having the noun form of some 
verbs.)
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Chinese characters missing from text to ps file

[Rodolfo Medina]

With Emacs, I correctly open a file including chinese characters.  The
characters are correctly displayed, but when I try to create the ps file, with
`C-u M-x pr-ps-print-buffer-preview' or `C-u M-x pr-ps-print-buffer-print',
they are not displayed.

What am I missing, how can I work it out?

Thanks for any help
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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[tyler]

Winfried Tilanus  writes:

> On 12/12/2008 12:58 PM, tyler wrote:
>
>> How do you do this? I've got a thinkpad R60, and I've been plugging it
>> in when it runs low, then (when I remember), unplugging it when it
>> reaches full charge. Is there some way to automate this? I know the
>> Windows partition has some configuration options, but I don't know how
>> to do this under Debian.
>
> Install the tp_smapi modules. See http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi
> for more information.

Great, thanks!

Cheers,

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Re: Xen kernel and make-kpkg

[Stefan Goebel]

Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 09 2008, Stefan Goebel wrote:
> 
>> Manoj, should I file a bug report for this or is there something else I
>> can try first?
> 
> Thankd for the bug-report and patch; it is always appropriate to
>  file a bug on kernel-package when you are experiencing difficulties. At
>  worst, you'll be told there is a work-around; :-)

Thanks for kernel-package :) I wasn't quite sure if I'm supposed to use
some special --arch or --subarch options, all these makefiles got me a
bit confused. I will test the generated kernel packages this weekend,
but as I mentioned in the bug report the contents of the *.debs look fine.

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Re: [OT] Server for Debian + MySQL

[Arc Roca]

I think that the disconnect here is when one compares two different
types of computer based only on a comparision of their computational
power.  Sure, the 1980-vintage 1.6 MIPS machine only had 6 MB ram (and




a...@tosh:~$ apt-cache show gnome-utils | grep dictionary
  - gnome-dictionary, a program which can look up the definition of words

Disconnect Dis`con*nect", v. t. [imp. & p. p. Disconnected;
 p. pr. & vb. n. Disconnecting.]
 To dissolve the union or connection of; to disunite; to
 sever; to separate; to disperse.
 [1913 Webster]
etc

I have seen lately the use of verbs in place of nouns:
disconnect in place of disconnection
resolve in place of resolution
etc
I myself am not a native English speaker, but this usage sounds strange. 
Please help me understand.




  

Re: Installing 64-bit nvidia driver under 32-bit userland

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/11/08 20:44, lee wrote:

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 08:23:09AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
Most places on the web say it doesn't work, but by following the  
instruction on this nvnews thread, I got driver v177.82 running on  
kernel 2.6.27-1~experimental.1~snapshot.12406.


http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=112900


That thread refers to 169.12 which is apparently too old to compile
for newer kernels. 177.82 amd64 works just fine, no different from the
i386 driver. Afair, 169.12 i386 was the last one to work for UT2004
until 173.08 or 173.14.12 ...


It started out maybe referring to 169.12.

But I'm telling you, since I was one of the people corresponding in 
the latter part of the thread, that using philipl's technique, I was 
able to get 177.82 working with 2.6.27.


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Re: server upgrade question

[Napoleon]

Mag Gam wrote:

At my university we have 10 servers. Each server has 8 cores with 32
GIG of memory running Debian 4.0.  We have to give these servers to a
different department, and our Dean would like to consiladate 10
servers into 5 servers. The new server will have 16 cores with 64 GIG
of memory. Basically a 2:1 type of deal.

Since we are doing a 2:1, should we expect 2:1 performance? For
instance, most of our applications are heavy compute and memory
intensive applications. Would they run at the same speed, better, or
worse with this new setup? My guess is that same?

Oh, yeah will be running 4.0 :-)

TIA




Too many variables to tell, but it won't be 2:1.  That won't be possible 
due to resource contention.


If you aren't using your existing cores effectively, you might not see 
any performance gain on a server-for-server basis.  But for typical 
systems, you might expect a 25-50% increase over an existing system.


That is, of course, assuming all other things (CPU speed, hardware cache 
sizes, disk speed, etc.) remain the same.  Changing those parameters 
makes things more complicated.



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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[Ismael Scalcon]

Well, both my EEE Pc and my girlfriend's Aspire 4520 stop charging the
battery when 100% (the battery charging light turn off and the OS
energy manager just says "Using AC" instead of "Charging". Both in my
EEE Pc Debian and My girlfriends Aspire Windows XP.

2008/12/12 Michael Shuler :
> On 12/12/2008 05:58 AM, tyler wrote:
>> Micha Feigin  writes:
>>
>>> Not completely, what newer batteries hate is heat, over and under
>>> charging. If it's always plugged in it may kill the battery rather
>>> quickly. What I have on my current thinkpad is the ability to stop
>>> charging before 100% and that can add quite a bit of like to the
>>> battery.
>>
>> How do you do this? I've got a thinkpad R60, and I've been plugging it
>> in when it runs low, then (when I remember), unplugging it when it
>> reaches full charge. Is there some way to automate this? I know the
>> Windows partition has some configuration options, but I don't know how
>> to do this under Debian.
>
> Been using settings for charge control from here for a year or so:
> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi#Battery_charge_control_features
>
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Re: server upgrade question

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:33:09PM -0500, Mag Gam wrote:
> At my university we have 10 servers. Each server has 8 cores with 32
> GIG of memory running Debian 4.0.  We have to give these servers to a
> different department, and our Dean would like to consiladate 10
> servers into 5 servers. The new server will have 16 cores with 64 GIG
> of memory. Basically a 2:1 type of deal.
> 
> Since we are doing a 2:1, should we expect 2:1 performance? For
> instance, most of our applications are heavy compute and memory
> intensive applications. Would they run at the same speed, better, or
> worse with this new setup? My guess is that same?
> 

Will the new servers have double the number of busses, double the hard
drive throughput, double the memory bandwidth?

Doug.


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Re: POWER FAILURE(SOLVED)

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:01:08PM +0800, rjubio wrote:
> I found a file in the /etc partition called nologin. I just removed it. 
> Voila! I got connected.

The root problem really isn't solved.  Who put the nologin file that
said powerfail (or whatever) there in the first place?  What was its
timestamp?

Note that /etc is not a partition but a directory in the root
filesystem.

Doug.


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Re: POWER FAILURE

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:55:25PM +0800, Rod James Bio wrote:
> Well that's a problem. I am using a Mac X server that doesnt have a VGA
> behind it. What I tried though was to unmount the harddisk manually and
> mount it on another X server that I have. I know that a lock file of some
> sort has to be deleted to fix the problem.

You have a box to which you cannot get console access?  What about a
serial console?

Doug.


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Re: Cannot get Etch installer to accept partitions -- success

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:06:26PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote:
 
> > Have you submitted an installation report as per the installation manual
> >  and subscribed to debian-boot?  The debian-boot people wrote the
> >  installer and should know what's up.
> 
> No, I have not.  Perhaps I should report not only the foregoing but also
> comment on the Installation Guide.  I have spent a significant part of
> my career writing technical manuals.  The Guide violates just about
> every good practice recommended for such documents.
 
OT:

Do you have a recommended book that constains the good practice
recommendations for tech manuals?

Doug.


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Re: Cannot get Etch installer to accept partitions -- success

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:06:26PM -0500, Ken Heard wrote:
 
> I have encrypted three of the LVs: home, swap and tmp.  Home has a LUKS
> passphrase.  The other two have random keys.

You may want to consider encrypting /var/tmp, depending on what
applications you use and where they may put stuff.

Doug.


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Re: [OT] Server for Debian + MySQL

[Douglas A. Tutty]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 07:10:52AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 12/11/08 02:02, Adrian Chapela wrote:
> >Ron Johnson escribi?:
> >>On 12/10/08 20:09, kj wrote:
> >>>Ron Johnson wrote:
> "Large systems" (meaning mainframes and "traditional" minicomputers 
> running legacy OSs) are never dedicated.  They run application 
> software as well as RDBMSs.

> >>>And it can.  If it couldn't, Plesk would not be selling.  In my job I 
> >>>admin servers that do web, mail, and db for anything from a handful 
> >>>to 1200+ domains on a single box.  No problem there (mostly).  But 
> >>>the load on the server's resources are, in the end, down to to what 
> >>>your application does.

> >>The grumpy geezer in me says you make a dedicated DB server only if 
> >>your hardware and/or OS isn't up to snuff, or your RDBMS is a horrible 
> >>pig, and that any modern desktop PC should have enough juice to 
> >>support an RDBMS, dozens applications and 10,000 OLTP users.
> >It depends on many things. I have a intensive applications and I need a 
> >server with separate RDBMS. I have a +200GB database size and need to 
> >increase to a minimum of 1000GB (to save more old data to report purposes).
> >
> >You need to think on many different architechtures and needs because for 
> >many web sites you don't need a big machine, with a PC you should run 
> >web server + rdbms without problems (even to many domains on this single 
> >machine...) but there are many companies that can't run web server and 
> >rdbms on same machine, even have many RDBMS servers and a lot of web 
> >servers, to achieve a good performance and high availability.
> 
> We supported 70 on-line users *plus* ran batch jobs on a
> pathetically slow 1980-vintage 1.6 MIPS machine with only 6MB RAM.
> 
> >MySQL runs on commodity hardware but if you are doing 1000 statements 
> >executions per second, you need to think on a good hardware if you want 
> >a reasonable performance.

I think that the disconnect here is when one compares two different
types of computer based only on a comparision of their computational
power.  Sure, the 1980-vintage 1.6 MIPS machine only had 6 MB ram (and
was only 1.6 MIPS), but look at what hardware it had to support that
slow CPU and memory.  What was the disk subsystem like?  What about
bus(es)?  What about secondary processors to offload the
system-grunt-work to allow the CPU to just deal with the application?

Look at the i386 (and amd64) architecture and look at everything the CPU
has to do.  Look at everything that interrupts it and causes it to do a
context switch.  

Nowadays, it seems like people are making BIG IRON out of tiny iron,
with multiple dedicated 1U servers with separate storage
servers/controllers/SANs/whatevers all to capture the reliability and
performance of the large systems without the propriatary cost of a
monolithic large system.

Doug.


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Re: expand /var, decrease /home space

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On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 10:51 +0100, Chris Davies wrote:
> 
> Appropriate Docroot and Log entries in /etc/apache/sites-enabled/*
> complete the picture, and it leaves /var/www pretty much untouched. (I
> use Alias directives to link back into /var/www/* as and when
> necessary.)

Note: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled contains links to configuration
files in /etc/apache2/sites-available.

When one configures a site, do it in 'sites-available' and link it from
'sites-enabled'.

Best,

Rob




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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[Michael Shuler]

On 12/12/2008 05:58 AM, tyler wrote:
> Micha Feigin  writes:
> 
>> Not completely, what newer batteries hate is heat, over and under
>> charging. If it's always plugged in it may kill the battery rather
>> quickly. What I have on my current thinkpad is the ability to stop
>> charging before 100% and that can add quite a bit of like to the
>> battery.
> 
> How do you do this? I've got a thinkpad R60, and I've been plugging it
> in when it runs low, then (when I remember), unplugging it when it
> reaches full charge. Is there some way to automate this? I know the
> Windows partition has some configuration options, but I don't know how
> to do this under Debian.

Been using settings for charge control from here for a year or so:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi#Battery_charge_control_features

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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[Winfried Tilanus]

On 12/12/2008 12:58 PM, tyler wrote:

> How do you do this? I've got a thinkpad R60, and I've been plugging it
> in when it runs low, then (when I remember), unplugging it when it
> reaches full charge. Is there some way to automate this? I know the
> Windows partition has some configuration options, but I don't know how
> to do this under Debian.

Install the tp_smapi modules. See http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Tp_smapi
for more information.

Winfried


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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[tyler]

Micha Feigin  writes:

> Not completely, what newer batteries hate is heat, over and under
> charging. If it's always plugged in it may kill the battery rather
> quickly. What I have on my current thinkpad is the ability to stop
> charging before 100% and that can add quite a bit of like to the
> battery.

How do you do this? I've got a thinkpad R60, and I've been plugging it
in when it runs low, then (when I remember), unplugging it when it
reaches full charge. Is there some way to automate this? I know the
Windows partition has some configuration options, but I don't know how
to do this under Debian.

Thanks,

Tyler


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Re: expand /var, decrease /home space

[steve]

Chris Davies wrote:

> 
> It's not obvious, but I'm going to guess you have your web server (and
> maybe its log files) on /var and that's what's eating the space.

thats pretty much it, yes.  between logs and site folders /var/www
pretty much became full. I went to put a sizeable file in one
webservers download directory for a friend to download and thats when I
got the no space message.

I set this all up well over a year ago, and havent messed with it since.
never realized I could move document root outside /var, never even
really thought about it, I thought it would create permission problems.
 well, it did for one of the sites but fixed that already.
> 
> When I configure up apache I tend to set it to use vhosts under
> /home/www. 

same here

So I have /home/www/_default_/ (which is really a placeholder
> for a vhost that does a redirect to http://www.roaima.co.uk/),
> /home/www/www.roaima.co.uk/, /home/www/mail.roaima.co.uk/ and so
> on. Further, within each vhost directory I have docroot and logs.

I put document root in public_html mainly because it was already there,
and copied everything inside /var/www to it.  then changed sites-enabled
and vhost to reflect the new directory, and everything seems to be
working ok.
> 
> Appropriate Docroot and Log entries in /etc/apache/sites-enabled/*
> complete the picture, and it leaves /var/www pretty much untouched. (I
> use Alias directives to link back into /var/www/* as and when necessary.)
> 
> Hope that helps,

yes, big help, thanks, and happy holidays.




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Re: common folder for a group of users

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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> Hello,
> 
> thanks for your quick reply.
> 
> I have an another question:
> may the MASK of the involved user be adapted ?

Yes. [1] recommends package 'libpam-umask' in its section 'Shared
Directories'.

Johannes

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopHowTo
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Re: common folder for a group of users

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On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 12:27 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> thanks for your quick reply.
> 
> I have an another question:
> may the MASK of the involved user be adapted ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jerome

The mask is set locally or can be set in /etc/login.defs
Whichever you prefer.

Best,

Rob



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Re: New OpenOffice-3.05 on experimental

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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David Baron wrote:
> I have Sun Java1.6-se on my machine using Sun's installer.
> I have the previous OpenOffice 3 version running just fine.
> 
> The latest-and-greatest now wants to install a Debian sunjava version. I 
> certainly do not need both of them and other applications that are using the 
> existing libraries may not even start if I blindly replace it.
> 
> I think this installation should check for preexisting Java and at least 
> allow 
> me the choice, huh?

You do have the choice: Either use java and OOo from debian or use java
and/or OOo from external sources. If you insist that OOo should use
'your' version of java instead of the debian default, you could just
install and configure upstream's OOo yourself. (I have no clue how much
work this would be, because I've never done it myself).

The advantage of debian's packaging system is that I don't have to
install any packages myself. I just tell aptitude to do the installation
for me. I don't have to think about dependencies and about
tuning/configuring applications to work correctly with all dependencies.

If you install third party software YOU have to do these configurations
yourself. You can't expect that a debian package or the installation
scripts could possibly check for all custom configurations and
modifications that users might have done to their system.

This is free and open software. You are free to change your system as
much as you like. However, you should not expect any one else to be able
to track and take care of all your changes, because the available
customization space has close to infinite dimensions.

Back on topic, it should be possible to have different versions of java
installed in parallel.

[One of Ooo's maintainer has already given some more advice in his reply.]

Cheers,

Johannes
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Re: common folder for a group of users

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello,

thanks for your quick reply.

I have an another question:
may the MASK of the involved user be adapted ?

Thanks,
Jerome

Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

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subscriptions wrote:

The folder has group in which the users reside.

The permissions on the folder are rws.


You probably meant permissions: drwxrws---

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Re: OT: laptop recomendations

[Micha Feigin]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:24:35 -0500
Celejar  wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:39:26 -0200
> "Ismael Scalcon"  wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> > Also, my girlfriend has bought herself an Acer Aspire (not the One),
> > and, so far, we had no problems with it.
> 
> I've been using an Acer (Aspire 3690) for about two years with no
> problems yet, but I baby it; I've never dropped it, spilled anything
> into it, sat on it, etc.  The battery life is quite low, only about an
> hour and a half when new, but I nearly always use it on AC.  [Tangent:
> my impression is that that will help preserve the battery life, as
> charge / discharge cycles reduce it.  Is this true?]
> 

Not completely, what newer batteries hate is heat, over and under charging. If
it's always plugged in it may kill the battery rather quickly. What I have on
my current thinkpad is the ability to stop charging before 100% and that can
add quite a bit of like to the battery.

A friend of mine as a lenovo 3000 (very bad track record with them with the
university staff), which was always plugged in and almost always on, the
battery is mostly dead in a year.

> I've never dealt with Acer support.
> 
> This was already a low end machine when I purchased it, but it is quite
> usable for my needs:
> 
> Celeron M 420 @ 1.6GHZ
> 512MB RAM (recently upgraded to 2GB, not because I needed it, but
> because I found a steal on RAM)
> 60GB HDD
> Broadcom wireless (4318, supported perfectly by b43)
> 15 inch screen, Intel 945GM graphics
> Intel 82801G stuff inside
> 
> The OP asked about performance, but IIUC, that will depend mostly on
> the actual components used, not on the build quality or any special
> sauce of the integrator.  I daresay I'm oversimplifying, and I'll
> appreciate corrections
> 
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Abort ioctl TIOWAIT threads

[David Baron]

Simple terminations, i.e. in QThread (QT4 thread class) will not stop it!

How might I kill such a thread?


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Re: expand /var, decrease /home space

[Chris Davies]

steve  wrote:
> ok, well I wanted to avoid that if all possible anyway, tried this ln -s
> /var/www/download /home/steve/public_html [...]

> thats creating a symbolic link from download directory (which has
> no space left) to a directory that has 280 gig free in it.

No. That has created a link to /var/www/download in
/home/steve/public_html. ("ln -s" is counter intuitive, IMO. The arguments
always seem to need to be the other way round.)


> did I do something incorrectly?

You forgot to ls -l /var/www/download to confirm the link was correctly
created. (You'd have seen it wasn't.)

Chris


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Re: expand /var, decrease /home space

[Chris Davies]

steve  wrote:
> is there no fairly straightforward way to expand /var and decrease
> /home?

Only if you're running LVM (and even then it's not as straightforward
as I'd like). Otherwise it's a real PITA.


> for some reason when I installed etch quite a while ago in my
> fairly successful attempt at running a webserver it made /var only 2.8
> gig and made /home 280 something gig.

> now I want /var to be say 200 gig, and /home alot smaller. for
> obvious reasons.

It's not obvious, but I'm going to guess you have your web server (and
maybe its log files) on /var and that's what's eating the space.

When I configure up apache I tend to set it to use vhosts under
/home/www. So I have /home/www/_default_/ (which is really a placeholder
for a vhost that does a redirect to http://www.roaima.co.uk/),
/home/www/www.roaima.co.uk/, /home/www/mail.roaima.co.uk/ and so
on. Further, within each vhost directory I have docroot and logs.

Appropriate Docroot and Log entries in /etc/apache/sites-enabled/*
complete the picture, and it leaves /var/www pretty much untouched. (I
use Alias directives to link back into /var/www/* as and when necessary.)

Hope that helps,
Chris


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Re: common folder for a group of users

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On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 10:45 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> subscriptions wrote:
> > The folder has group in which the users reside.
> >
> > The permissions on the folder are rws.
> 
> You probably meant permissions: drwxrws---
> 
> Johannes

Yep!


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Re: common folder for a group of users

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> The folder has group in which the users reside.
> 
> The permissions on the folder are rws.

You probably meant permissions: drwxrws---

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Re: SA-Exim and acls

[lee]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 05:50:10PM +1030, David Purton wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:34:57AM -0600, lee wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:26:10AM +1030, David Purton wrote:
> > 
> > > acl_check_rcpt:
> > >   warn hosts = :
> > >set acl_m0 = do-not-scan
> > > 
> > > then in sa-exim.conf I have
> > > 
> > >   SAEximRunCond: ${if !eq {$acl_m0}{do-not-scan} {1}{0}}
> > > 
> > 
> > Shouldn't that refer to the hosts exim is relaying mail for? The : in
> > "warn hosts = :" makes for an empty host list, so what you're trying
> > to do will not apply to any hosts.
> 
> I have an acl for that too - the above is an example that matches for
> when exim is called via commandline by an MUA such as mutt.

In that case, there is no SMTP involved, and acl_smtp_rcpt is not
being run. The condition is misplaced, like all the others in the
readme you're using except for the first one. The acl_smtp_rcpt is for
*recipients*, being run for *every* recipient of a message. The other
conditions in the readme need to go into other ACLs, and you need an
extra one for non-smtp messages.

> > And if your acl_check_rcpt is acl_smtp_rcpt, that doesn't seem the
> > right place to do it.
> 
> I gather it is if you are using sa-exim.

It's about what these ACLs are for. sa-exim doesn't change how exim
does things.

> There are some advantages that
> I like that sa-exim provides over using exim's exiscan technique as you
> are using. The reason for putting the acl in the rcpt is that some
> variables are available at the time that spamassassin is called by the
> sa-exim plugin - so you set acl_m0 at this point and test it later - at
> least I *think* this is how it works.
> 
> I'm following the sa-exim readme:
> 
> http://marc.merlins.org/linux/exim/files/sa-exim-cvs/README

Take a look at the exim documentation
(http://exim.org/exim-pdf-current/doc/spec.pdf) and at the sample
configuration (/usr/share/doc/exim4/examples/example.conf.gz). The
readme is a good example, just the conditions have been put into the
wrong ACL.

> If I can't get it to work, then I might move to using exiscan, but I
> like spamassassin's report_safe, which I understood was not available
> using exiscan. Is this right?

Isn't report_save a configuration option of spamassassin? If you can
configure spamd that way, it should work. It's easier to set up, too.

But you can get it to work, just put the conditions into the right
ACLs and check how the variables are handled by exim. I think the
acl_m* variables have been designed to carry information from one ACL
to another, so using the right ACLs shouldn't be a problem.


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Re: common folder for a group of users

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On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 08:37 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> A pair of user asked me to create a common folder:
> what is the (best) Debian way to do it ?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Jerome

The folder has group in which the users reside.

The permissions on the folder are rws.

Best,

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Re: New OpenOffice-3.05 on experimental

[Rene Engelhard]

Hi,

David Baron wrote:
> I have Sun Java1.6-se on my machine using Sun's installer.
> I have the previous OpenOffice 3 version running just fine.
> 
> The latest-and-greatest now wants to install a Debian sunjava version. I 

Probably because it depends on liblucene2-java which needs a JVM.

> certainly do not need both of them and other applications that are using the 
> existing libraries may not even start if I blindly replace it.

I bet not, because the paths are different, but anyway :)

> I think this installation should check for preexisting Java and at least 
> allow 
> me the choice, huh?

Yes. please fix your system. The stuff really depends on *any* JVM
but your package system does not know it has one -> it installs one.

If you install stuff from somewhere else it's not the packages'
problem. In  this case here, you might find equivs helpful.

Grüße/Regards,

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Re: whereis php

[François Cerbelle]

Le Ven 12 décembre 2008 09:34, Phillipus Gunawan a écrit :
> Hi there,
> I am using debian etch/lenny
> I installed PHP5 using apt-get
> I seems can not find my executable php
[...]
> I also installed php5-cgi which also didnt give me anything
> I expect to see my executable php in /usr/lib or /lib or somewhere similar
> but already checked everywhere
> any help please?

You can try to find the packages which have a "php" file :
dpkg -S php

Or you can look the files installed by a given package :
dpkg -L php5-cgi

finally, you can update the file database with "updatedb" and then query
the database with "locate php"

But I think there is something called "php5-cli" (for Command Line
Interface" :
http://packages.debian.org/etch/php5-cli

;-)

Have a nice day

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Re: where are the data and log folders of postgresql 8.3 on debian sid?

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 06:42:10PM -0900, Ken Irving wrote:
> Or wait a day and use locate initdb, if for some reason you want to know
> where it is.  Maybe there's something under /var/, e.g., if the debian

LOL, Ummm, why wait a day? An updatedb, as root, saves a whole day. :)

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Re: whereis php

[hari haran.spc]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Phillipus Gunawan
wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I am using debian etch/lenny
> I installed PHP5 using apt-get
> I seems can not find my executable php
> whereis php giving me result:
> php:
> thats it
>
> I also installed php5-cgi which also didnt give me anything
> I expect to see my executable php in /usr/lib or /lib or somewhere similar
> but already checked everywhere
>
> any help please?
>
>
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Have you ever user this command "whereis" php or php5 . Try to use this and
get to know the exact path of executable file .

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Re: whereis php

[Cassiel]

find / -iname php\*

:-)

2008/12/12 Phillipus Gunawan 

> Hi there,
>
> I am using debian etch/lenny
> I installed PHP5 using apt-get
> I seems can not find my executable php
> whereis php giving me result:
> php:
> thats it
>
> I also installed php5-cgi which also didnt give me anything
> I expect to see my executable php in /usr/lib or /lib or somewhere similar
> but already checked everywhere
>
> any help please?
>
>
>  Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now
> http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline
>
>
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whereis php

[Phillipus Gunawan]

Hi there,

I am using debian etch/lenny
I installed PHP5 using apt-get
I seems can not find my executable php
whereis php giving me result:
php:
thats it

I also installed php5-cgi which also didnt give me anything
I expect to see my executable php in /usr/lib or /lib or somewhere similar
but already checked everywhere

any help please?


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Re: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[hari haran.spc]

> Jerome BENOIT wrote:
>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> A pair of user asked me to create a common folder:
>> what is the (best) Debian way to do it ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Jerome
>>
>>  Please could you make it clear. I don't understand your question .
> Whether is it folder or common user directory.
>
>
> With Regards,
> Vellingiri. S
>
>
>


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New OpenOffice-3.05 on experimental

[David Baron]

I have Sun Java1.6-se on my machine using Sun's installer.
I have the previous OpenOffice 3 version running just fine.

The latest-and-greatest now wants to install a Debian sunjava version. I 
certainly do not need both of them and other applications that are using the 
existing libraries may not even start if I blindly replace it.

I think this installation should check for preexisting Java and at least allow 
me the choice, huh?


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common folder for a group of users

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello List,

A pair of user asked me to create a common folder:
what is the (best) Debian way to do it ?

Thanks in advance,
Jerome

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