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2010-09-04 Thread Mekanikproje
Ýyi günler, 
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Re: pppd odczyt predkosci DL/UL

2010-09-04 Thread Wojciech Ziniewicz
W dniu 4 września 2010 14:54 użytkownik R.M.M rm...@op.pl napisał:
 Witam,

 czy jest jakis sposob, zeby zmusic pppd do wyplucia informacji o szerokosci
 pasma, jakie przydzielil serwer pppoe dla aktualnego polaczenia?

 Moj stary router DSL wyswietlal takie informacje (zanim jeszcze otrzymal IP
 od providera, wiec zakladam, ze musza przychodzic w trakcie/tuz po
 ustanowieniu polaczenia przez pppd). Teraz lacze sie przez goly modem, z
 ktorym nie ma mozliwosci polaczyc sie, zeby odczytac jakiekolwiek informacje
 diagnostyczne.

Wystarczy sprawdzic logi (syslog lub dmesg w zaleznosci od konfiguracji)

pozdr.



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Re: pppd odczyt predkosci DL/UL

2010-09-04 Thread R.M.M

W dniu 2010-09-04 19:08, Wojciech Ziniewicz pisze:

W dniu 4 września 2010 14:54 użytkownik R.M.Mrm...@op.pl  napisał:

Witam,

czy jest jakis sposob, zeby zmusic pppd do wyplucia informacji o szerokosci
pasma, jakie przydzielil serwer pppoe dla aktualnego polaczenia?

Moj stary router DSL wyswietlal takie informacje (zanim jeszcze otrzymal IP
od providera, wiec zakladam, ze musza przychodzic w trakcie/tuz po
ustanowieniu polaczenia przez pppd). Teraz lacze sie przez goly modem, z
ktorym nie ma mozliwosci polaczyc sie, zeby odczytac jakiekolwiek informacje
diagnostyczne.


Wystarczy sprawdzic logi (syslog lub dmesg w zaleznosci od konfiguracji)



Mowisz?;) Sprawdzilem dokladnie zanim napisalem. Nawet z wlaczona opcja
debug nigdzie nie ma ani slowa o tym, jaka jest predkosc ustanowionego
polaczenia. Szukalem juz nawet czy moze pppd trzeba jakis sygnal wyslac,
zeby sie rozgadalo, ale niestety...


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Re: pppd odczyt predkosci DL/UL

2010-09-04 Thread Krzysztof Burghardt
W dniu 4 września 2010 20:09 użytkownik R.M.M rm...@op.pl napisał:
 Mowisz?;) Sprawdzilem dokladnie zanim napisalem. Nawet z wlaczona opcja
 debug nigdzie nie ma ani slowa o tym, jaka jest predkosc ustanowionego
 polaczenia. Szukalem juz nawet czy moze pppd trzeba jakis sygnal wyslac,
 zeby sie rozgadalo, ale niestety...

Mam modem Thomson SpeedTouch 330 (sterownik speedtch).

# dmesg | grep 'line is up'
ATM dev 0: ADSL line is up (1312 kb/s down | 320 kb/s up)

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Re: hardw antiguo

2010-09-04 Thread f5inet
linux no corre en ordenadores de 16bits. como minimo necesitas una cpu de
32bits como una intel 80386. debian tambien soporta otras arquitecturas
exoticas, pero no creo que estes hablando de esas.

El 4 de septiembre de 2010 02:41, alejo piulachs ae...@hotmail.comescribió:

  mande una pregunta a debian-proj...@lists.debian.org
 y me dieron esta direccion
 bueno tengo un ordenador viejo de 16bits con 1giga y yo pense en usarlo
 como servidor dns
 el problema es el software que tengo etch tenia woody pero lo perdi e
 igualmente no se podria
 podriais darme consejo porfa?
 no quiero tirar el ordenador
 saludos



Re: hardw antiguo

2010-09-04 Thread Marc Aymerich
2010/9/4 alejo piulachs ae...@hotmail.com

  mande una pregunta a debian-proj...@lists.debian.org
 y me dieron esta direccion
 bueno tengo un ordenador viejo de 16bits con 1giga y yo pense en usarlo
 como servidor dns
 el problema es el software que tengo etch tenia woody pero lo perdi e
 igualmente no se podria
 podriais darme consejo porfa?
 no quiero tirar el ordenador
 saludos


cual es la arquitectura? esa maquina tiene soporte hardware de red?

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Re: Consulta sobre placa red usb RJ45

2010-09-04 Thread Marc Aymerich
2010/9/3 insulae insu...@gmail.com

 hola gente estoy viendo que en mercadolibre ( o ebay) venden unas
 placas de red usb rj45, vienen con chipset realtek aparentemente,
 alguien a probado si funciona bien en Linux?.
 Necesito hacer balanceo con un par de ADSL y no consigo mother con 6 o
 mas ranuras pci/pcie y de funcionar sería una opcion muy barata
 comparandola con un SWITCH VLAN o las placas PCIE o PCI de 2 puertos.


sin buscar mucho he encontrado un swithc tplink fast ethernet de 5 puertos
por 7 euros.
http://landashop.com/catalog/fast-ethernet-switch-tlsf1005d-10100m-rj45-ports-plastic-case-p-975.html

porque lo quieres con vlans?

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Debian 7.0, se llamará Wheezy

2010-09-04 Thread Santiago José López Borrazás
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Leo, y voy leyendo en distintas fuentes:

http://www.muylinux.com/2010/09/04/debian-7-se-llamara-wheezy

Ahora ya sabemos qué nombre va a tener...

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Re: hardw antiguo

2010-09-04 Thread Rosendo Antonio Manuel
El sáb, 04-09-2010 a las 13:37 +0200, f5inet escribió:

 linux no corre en ordenadores de 16bits. como minimo necesitas una cpu
 de 32bits como una intel 80386. debian tambien soporta otras
 arquitecturas exoticas, pero no creo que estes hablando de esas.
 
 
 El 4 de septiembre de 2010 02:41, alejo piulachs ae...@hotmail.com
 escribió:
 
 mande una pregunta a debian-proj...@lists.debian.org
 y me dieron esta direccion
 bueno tengo un ordenador viejo de 16bits con 1giga y yo pense
 en usarlo como servidor dns
 el problema es el software que tengo etch tenia woody pero lo
 perdi e igualmente no se podria
 podriais darme consejo porfa?
 no quiero tirar el ordenador
 saludos
 
 
 

Hola a todos
Bueno regularmente usaría i386 como arquitectura, yo lo instale por
medio de un CD de Debian en una máquina con 4 GB de espacio en disco
duro y 62 MB de RAM con un procesador AMD de 166 MHz, o sea tipo Pentium
I, le instale solo modo texto y un entorno de escritorio sencillo
(icewm).
Eso sí me tardé bastante tiempo en instalarla, cerca de 2 horas y media,
y al momento de empezar el SO también tarda, cerca de 4 minutos, pero
corre bien despues de haber cargado, aunque bueno yo uso icewm, sin
escritorio debe tener mejor respuesta.

Aunque si especificas que tipo de Maquina antigua tienes mejor. Ya que
analizando los ordenadores de 16 bits no podrian ser soportados.

Rosendo Antonio Manuel
servicomsoft.es.tl


ext4

2010-09-04 Thread edmarcos
Venho aqui perguntar se alguém está tendo problema com o
ext4. O problema é o seguinte:

mesmo após um desligamento normal , no proximo reboot da máquina
a mesma carrega com erros e o hd em somente leitura.

ai é necessário outro reboot para que possa passar o fsck.

No meu notebook este problema nunca aconteceu, mas no meu pc sempre
está fazendo este erro. E agora também tenho visto este erro 
em um outra maquina que instalei.

Se alguem passou por isto e achou solução agradeço respostas.



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Re: ext4

2010-09-04 Thread hamacker
Sim.
Quando a data do sistema fica resetando, ai ele acha q há erros a cada boot.

inte+

Em 4 de setembro de 2010 10:30, edmarcos edmarcos.so...@gmail.com escreveu:
 Venho aqui perguntar se alguém está tendo problema com o
 ext4. O problema é o seguinte:

 mesmo após um desligamento normal , no proximo reboot da máquina
 a mesma carrega com erros e o hd em somente leitura.

 ai é necessário outro reboot para que possa passar o fsck.

 No meu notebook este problema nunca aconteceu, mas no meu pc sempre
 está fazendo este erro. E agora também tenho visto este erro
 em um outra maquina que instalei.

 Se alguem passou por isto e achou solução agradeço respostas.



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Re: Ajuda com Bind

2010-09-04 Thread hamacker
Sem querer esquentar ou estender esse OT, você está testando de forma
equivocada seu DNS.
No Linux voce deve usar :
dig develop.datahealth.com.br
ou se o teu /etc/resolv.conf tá apontando para um DNS diferente :
dig @seudns develop.datahealth.com.br

No Windows é semalhante, mas usa-se um conjunto de ferramentas como o
ipconfig /all para ver se a estação está apontando para o DNS correto,
depois ipconfig /flushdns para limpar o cache-local e finalmente
nslookup (analogo ao dig) para procurar develop.datahealth.com.br, ele
dirá (ou não) o IPs registrados neste host/dominio.

Com o ping voce testa apenas conectividade que eventualmente pode ser
filtrado por firewalls no lado de origem até o destino, mas o ping não
testa serviços.

[]'s

Em 3 de setembro de 2010 12:24, Eduardo Pizorno pizo...@gmail.com escreveu:
 Bom dia pessoal, estou enfrentando alguns problemas com Bind aqui na rede
 interna, o problema é o seguinte montar um servidor dns com o bind bem
 simples, vou postar as configurações abaixo, ele está funcionando
 normalmente, o que ocorre é que as estações linux encontram os endereços
 normalmente, porém as estações windows simplesmente não os enxergam por
 exemplo:

 No Linux:

 pizo...@magicbox:~$ ping admin.develop.datahealth.com.br
 PING admin.develop.datahealth.com.br.datahealth.com.br (192.168.2.10) 56(84)
 bytes of data.
 64 bytes from develop.datahealth.com.br (192.168.2.10): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64
 time=12.8 ms
 64 bytes from develop.datahealth.com.br (192.168.2.10): icmp_seq=2 ttl=64
 time=1.65 ms
 64 bytes from develop.datahealth.com.br (192.168.2.10): icmp_seq=3 ttl=64
 time=1.63 ms

 No Windows:

 ele simplesmente diz que o servidor ou caminho não encontrado

 Alguém já passou por problemas semelhante?

 Segue a configuração do bind

 $ORIGIN .
 $TTL 3600   ; 1 hour
 datahealth.com.br   IN SOA  urizen.datahealth.com.br.
 hostmaster.datahealth.com.br. (

   2010040806 ; serial
     3600   ; refresh (1 hour)
     900    ; retry (15 minutes)
     604800 ; expire (1 week)
     3600   ; minimum (1 hour)
     )
     NS  urizen.datahealth.com.br.
 $ORIGIN datahealth.com.br.
 urizen  A   192.168.2.1
 www A   189.126.116.52
 develop A   192.168.2.10
 admin   A   189.126.116.52
 server  A   192.168.2.1
 svn A   192.168.2.212
 teste   A   189.126.116.16
 vpn A   192.168.2.213
 xen A   192.168.2.211
 *.develop.datahealth.com.br A   192.168.2.10
 *.teste.datahealth.com.br   A   189.126.116.16
 *.admin.datahealth.com.br   A   189.126.116.52
 *   A   189.126.116.52


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Re: problems with cpufreq utils

2010-09-04 Thread Alexander Samad
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Alexander Samad a...@samad.com.au wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Davide Baldini
 baldiniebald...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 09/03/10 13:53, Alexander Samad wrote:
 [snip]



 I'd check if preformance does his job. Try set it with
 # cpufreq-set -g performance
 and stress the cpu to see if frequency rises, for example by

 yep already tried this

 for x in 0 1 2 3 ; do cpufreq-set -g performance -c $x; done


 this is what has me confused

 max:~# cpufreq-info -w ; cpufreq-info -f
 80
 300

 one is the os perspective and the other is the hardware, the os things
 its running at 3G but the hardware says its still limited to 0.8G hz

 I have checked the bios as well

fixed, when I check the bios I noticed the fan speed for the cpu was
zero and the cpu temp was 108c.

the cpu had shutdown to the slowest speed.

new fan as is okay

Alex

 # yes  /dev/null

 Then avoid reboot and try videos.
 If everything turned fine check if your setting can sourvive a reboot and
 whether your debian needs a fix in his init scripts.


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Re: What's the Debian way of disabling suspend to disk?

2010-09-04 Thread Lisi
On Friday 03 September 2010 18:47:20 Camaleón wrote:
 On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:22:52 +0200, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
  Am Freitag, 3. September 2010 schrieb Lisi:
   No, I _can't_. That's the whole reason for my asking here. There is
   no option to hide the button. I've attached a tiny screenie where you
   can see the problematic combo box and the hibernation (Tiefschlaf)
   button right underneath.
 
  I'm still not clear why you cannot just remove it.
 
  Lisi
 
  Because there is no option for it.

 Oh, come on, it's just a widget :-)

 Right-click → remove this battery monitor

My point exactly.

Lisi


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Authenticating NFS users

2010-09-04 Thread Tixy
I'm trying to set up NFS to use in a home made NAS and want to add some
form of server based authentication for access. All of the information I
can find seems to suggest using kerberos, is there a simpler alternative
that could do something like check a username+password?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Debian based NAS? What to buy?

2010-09-04 Thread Jochen Schulz
Kevin Ross:
  On 09/01/2010 02:43 PM, Jochen Schulz wrote:

 What mainboar, CPU and case do you use? I am currently searching for a
 similar solution as well. I am considering to buy a Mini-ITX Atom board,
 but it's hard to find a decent case with enough space for 3-4 hard
 disks.
 
 This case might suit you: http://www.logicsupply.com/products/es34069
 
 A little pricey, though.

That looks almost perfect! It needs a slim DVD drive, but I can live
with that. And the price tag is not *that* bad, considering that it
includes a PSU. It's definitely cheaper than a separate enclosure for
the disks.

I am still just a little bit unsure about wattage. Do I need 180W with
an Atom board (D510 + ION or NM10 chipset) + four hard drives and one
optical drive?

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Re: Debian based NAS? What to buy?

2010-09-04 Thread Angus Hedger
Hey,

On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 11:16:03 +0200
Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote:
 That looks almost perfect! It needs a slim DVD drive, but I can live
 with that. And the price tag is not *that* bad, considering that it
 includes a PSU. It's definitely cheaper than a separate enclosure for
 the disks.
 
 I am still just a little bit unsure about wattage. Do I need 180W with
 an Atom board (D510 + ION or NM10 chipset) + four hard drives and one
 optical drive?

Have a look here [1], I know it doesn’t have the D510, but if you do it
for the atom 330 (which uses more power) you should be fine.
 
 J.

[1]http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

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2010-09-04 Thread Fatih Tiryakioglu
Hello,

I wanted to remove trash folder, but home folder/home/user is gone. There was 
only one user. I couldn't start any program. When I restarted computer, I 
couldn't login. How can I recover system. Please help..


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Re: /home/user folder accidentally removed

2010-09-04 Thread Jordon Bedwell

 On 9/4/2010 5:16 AM, Fatih Tiryakioglu wrote:

Hello,

I wanted to remove trash folder, but home folder/home/user is gone. There was 
only one user. I couldn't start any program. When I restarted computer, I 
couldn't login. How can I recover system. Please help..


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Re: /home/user folder accidentally removed

2010-09-04 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Fatih Tiryakioglu ftiryakio...@yahoo.com writes:
 I wanted to remove trash folder, but home folder/home/user is
 gone. There was only one user. I couldn't start any program. When I
 restarted computer, I couldn't login. How can I recover
 system. Please help..

1) ctrl-alt-f1
2) login as root
3) mkdir /home/user
4) chown user:user /home/user
5) ctrl-alt-f7
6) try to login again as normal user


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Re: /home/user folder accidentally removed

2010-09-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Fatih Tiryakioglu,

Am 2010-09-04 03:16:42, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
 Hello,
 
 I wanted to remove trash folder, but home folder/home/user is gone.
 There was only one user. I couldn't start any program. When I
 restarted computer, I couldn't login. How can I recover system. Please
 help..

You have to play back your backup...  ;-)  ...or do you want to tell us,
you have none?  --  then you have probably a problem!

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Re: /home/user folder accidentally removed

2010-09-04 Thread Alex Kuklin
On 04.09.2010 13:16, Fatih Tiryakioglu wrote:
 I wanted to remove trash folder, but home folder/home/user is gone. There was 
 only one user. I couldn't start any program. When I restarted computer, I 
 couldn't login. How can I recover system. Please help..
   
Login as root from text console and create /home/user folder, chown it
to user:user:

mkdir /home/user
chown user:user /home/user

Settings and files are gone, anyway.

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Re: Authenticating NFS users

2010-09-04 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Op 04-09-10 10:52, Tixy schreef:
 I'm trying to set up NFS to use in a home made NAS and want to add some
 form of server based authentication for access. All of the information I
 can find seems to suggest using kerberos, is there a simpler alternative
 that could do something like check a username+password?
You can use NFS via a SSH or VPN tunnel. The reason that it is
complicated is that when you authenticate to the server, you need also a
ticket that tells the server you authenticated. Else you'd need to type
your password every time you check a file on the NFS. Kerberos is a
clean way of exactly doing that: handing out the tickets to track
sessions. SSH and VPN tunnels basically do the same: keep a lasting session.
You can probably try some firewalling techniques for a simple
a-little-less-easy access to the NFS.

Sjoerd



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Re: sid: Console problems after starting X

2010-09-04 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Vi, 03 sep 10, 16:54:25, Joel Roth wrote:

 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
 drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::01:05.0
 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
 drmOpenDevice: open result is 11, (OK)
 drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 11
 drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci::01:05.0
 (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version 
 mismatch.
 [dri] This chipset requires a kernel module version of 1.17.0,
 [dri] but the kernel reports a version of 2.0.0.[dri] If using legacy 
 modesetting, upgrade your kernel.
 [dri] If using kernel modesetting, make sure your module is
 [dri] loaded prior to starting X, and that this driver was built
 [dri] with support for KMS.
 [dri] Disabling DRI.

This, combined with the fact that you are running a self-compiled kernel 
would indicate that you might miss some module. Can you try a stock 
kernel?

Regards,
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Re: Arrow keys won't scroll history in squeeze konsole/bash

2010-09-04 Thread David Sastre
On Fri, Sep 03, 2010 at 01:46:04PM -0800, James Zuelow wrote:
 Original Message
 From: James Zuelow [mailto:james_zue...@ci.juneau.ak.us]
 Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:31 PM
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: RE: Arrow keys won't scroll history in squeeze konsole/bash
 
 8---snip---8
  
  I'm not the only one seeing this:
  
  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/kde4-up-key-stops-working-sporadically-828016/
  
  Unlike the author of that post, I haven't remapped any of my keys. 
  Everything should be stock. 
  
 8---snip---8
  
  How I can reproduce:
  
  1) Log in to KDE.  The up arrow works fine.
  2) Log out of KDE.  Log back in again.  The up-arrow does not work.
  3) Log out of KDE, and restart the X server.  Log back in, the up
  arrow works. 
  
  Repeat.
  
  So I work around it by restarting the X server before I log in -- the
  up arrow will work for the FIRST login session.  After that it will
  be ignored until I restart the X server again.  
 
 OK, apparently I'm the only person seeing this on the mailing list.  Unlike 
 the author of the linuxquestions report above, changing my keyboard map does 
 NOT help me.  I still get the same problem regardless.
 
 Now a question for the list:
 
 Which package should I file a bug against?  Between Xorg and KDE I'm not sure 
 where to start -- although I'm pretty sure it's a KDE thing and not X.  
 Plasma desktop?  Or is there some subcomponent of KDE that handles the 
 keyboard specifically?

I have been experiencing this issue since I upgraded this box to KDE4,
although there have been updates in X also. My workaround has been
tweaking a xmodmap file I load the fisrt time I start konsole
(xmodmap xmodmap.txt). Some things doesn't work OK yet, but makes
things usable at the very least. (Many screen apps honor vi-style
keys, so you can navigate using hjkl).
Anyway, as a screen user, this is a real PITA, also, vi in command
mode lacking AltGr makes difficult even to comment a line out: I gotta
enter visual, copy the character and paste it afterwards.

I can confirm that ouside X the keyboard behaves correctly, so 
I have been using xev to see what is going on. Some keys (AltGr,
in this example) send btwo/b different events with different
keycodes:

KeyPress event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x15a, subw 0x0, time 3950562, (378,154), root:(1265,306),
state 0x10, keycode 108 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift),
same_screen YES,
XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 92
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False

MappingNotify event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 248

KeyPress event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x15a, subw 0x0, time 3950562, (378,154), root:(1265,306),
state 0x90, keycode 113 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False

MappingNotify event, serial 42, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 248

KeyRelease event, serial 42, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x15a, subw 0x0, time 3950647, (378,154), root:(1265,306),
state 0x90, keycode 108 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift),
same_screen YES,
XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 92
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False

MappingNotify event, serial 42, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 248

KeyRelease event, serial 42, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x15a, subw 0x0, time 3950647, (378,154), root:(1265,306),
state 0x10, keycode 113 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False

For cursor keys, I remapped my xmodmap.txt to use only one of those
keycodes, mapping the other to an empty string (example with cursor
down):

KeyPress event, serial 36, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x15a, subw 0x0, time 4421665, (210,-23), root:(1056,0),
state 0x10, keycode 116 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
XFilterEvent returns: False

MappingNotify event, serial 36, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 248

KeyPress event, serial 36, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x15a, subw 0x0, time 4421665, (210,-23), root:(1056,0),
state 0x10, keycode 104 (keysym 0xff54, Down), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
XFilterEvent returns: False

MappingNotify event, serial 38, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
request MappingKeyboard, first_keycode 8, count 248

KeyRelease event, serial 38, synthetic NO, window 0x2e1,
root 0x15a, subw 0x0, time 4421733, (210,-23), root:(1056,0),
state 0x10, keycode 116 

Re: sid: Console problems after starting X

2010-09-04 Thread Joel Roth
On Sat, Sep 04, 2010 at 01:35:28PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
 On Vi, 03 sep 10, 16:54:25, Joel Roth wrote:
 
  drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
  drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::01:05.0
  drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
  drmOpenDevice: open result is 11, (OK)
  drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 11
  drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci::01:05.0
  (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version 
  mismatch.
  [dri] This chipset requires a kernel module version of 1.17.0,
  [dri] but the kernel reports a version of 2.0.0.[dri] If using legacy 
  modesetting, upgrade your kernel.
  [dri] If using kernel modesetting, make sure your module is
  [dri] loaded prior to starting X, and that this driver was built
  [dri] with support for KMS.
  [dri] Disabling DRI.
 
 This, combined with the fact that you are running a self-compiled kernel 
 would indicate that you might miss some module. Can you try a stock 
 kernel?

Thanks for checking this out! 

Console *does* VT switching correctly under a stock 2.6.31-1-amd64 kernel. 
(But for some reason suspend doesn't work... will try a later kernel.)

Why didn't I think of this? Probably because the kernel was working before.

Mahalo

Joel

 
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Re: Ethernet connection

2010-09-04 Thread Rodolfo Medina
With the help coming from the present mailing list, I managed to connect my
laptop with my old desktop PC via a cross ethernet cable, and to make them
communicate via ping and transfer files using rsync.

Today, strangely, on the laptop, instead of

# ifconfig
eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:03:0D:33:02:17
  inet addr:192.168.0.1  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::203:dff:fe33:217/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:468 (468.0 b)
  Interrupt:201 Base address:0xd800

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:86 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:86 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:9358 (9.1 KiB)  TX bytes:9358 (9.1 KiB)

I got:

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)

, and any connection with the cross cable was impossible.  Also, the command
`ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up' gave:

# ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device


Then I did:

 # ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up

, and then `ifconfig' gives:

# ifconfig
eth0  Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 
00-03-0D-53-25-5C-86-16-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
  inet addr:192.168.0.1  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:84 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:3024 (2.9 KiB)

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:75 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:75 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:8352 (8.1 KiB)  TX bytes:8352 (8.1 KiB)

, but the connection fails:

$ ping 192.168.0.3
PING 192.168.0.3 (192.168.0.3) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
From 192.168.0.1 icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable


$ rsync -vr test 192.168.0.3:/home/rodolfo
ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.3 port 22: No route to host
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]
rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(453) [sender=2.6.9]



, where 192.168.0.3 is the PC's address.

Please help with issue

Thanks
Rodolfo


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Re: Authenticating NFS users

2010-09-04 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 13:29 +0300, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
 Op 04-09-10 10:52, Tixy schreef:
  I'm trying to set up NFS to use in a home made NAS and want to add some
  form of server based authentication for access. All of the information I
  can find seems to suggest using kerberos, is there a simpler alternative
  that could do something like check a username+password?
 You can use NFS via a SSH or VPN tunnel.

I originally tried just using SFTP as that comes for free and requires
no setup. However the throughput was too low (5MB/s) due to maxing out
the CPU on the server machine (a SheevaPlug). I'm guessing VPN would
have similar CPU overheads.

  The reason that it is
 complicated is that when you authenticate to the server, you need also a
 ticket that tells the server you authenticated. Else you'd need to type
 your password every time you check a file on the NFS. Kerberos is a
 clean way of exactly doing that: handing out the tickets to track
 sessions. SSH and VPN tunnels basically do the same: keep a lasting session.
 You can probably try some firewalling techniques for a simple
 a-little-less-easy access to the NFS.

Thanks for the explanation and suggestions. I beginning to question if I
actually need any authentication. The files stored on the NAS don't
contain sensitive data which isn't in encrypted files, and I have
backups in case of deletion. So the probability and risk of malicious
activity on my home network are very low.

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Re: Authenticating NFS users

2010-09-04 Thread Jordon Bedwell

 On 9/4/2010 5:29 AM, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:

Op 04-09-10 10:52, Tixy schreef:

I'm trying to set up NFS to use in a home made NAS and want to add some
form of server based authentication for access. All of the information I
can find seems to suggest using kerberos, is there a simpler alternative
that could do something like check a username+password?

You can use NFS via a SSH or VPN tunnel. The reason that it is
complicated is that when you authenticate to the server, you need also a
ticket that tells the server you authenticated. Else you'd need to type
your password every time you check a file on the NFS. Kerberos is a
clean way of exactly doing that: handing out the tickets to track
sessions. SSH and VPN tunnels basically do the same: keep a lasting session.
You can probably try some firewalling techniques for a simple
a-little-less-easy access to the NFS.

Sjoerd



Well, on a non-public facing NFS /etc/exports would do the trick on 
which hosts can mount what.  There is also auth_sys, but that relies on 
a sort of trust ring really.  As far as SSH tunneling, it's an 
unnecessary overhead if it's not a public network or public-facing 
network (on the entire network), if it's not public-facing and has wifi 
or people you can't trust who access it, I would then look into stream 
encryption.  Normally in a cheapo situation I would have a public 
non-public NIC where the NAS server is on the non-public end tied to a 
switch and the public end (all computers but the NAS server) is simply 
tied to a router on the first NIC.



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Re: /home/user folder accidentally removed

2010-09-04 Thread green
Jordon Bedwell wrote at 2010-09-04 05:19 -0500:
 On 9/4/2010 5:16 AM, Fatih Tiryakioglu wrote:
  I wanted to remove trash folder, but home folder/home/user is gone. There 
  was only one user. I couldn't start any program. When I restarted computer, 
  I couldn't login. How can I recover system. Please help..
 
 Can you elaborate removed? rm -rf is irrecoverable by normal means.

If your /home/user directory really has been deleted and you would like to 
attempt recovery, the first thing to do is avoid making any further writes to 
the filesystem the directory was on.

Otherwise you can as root create /home/user, copy in the contents of /etc/skel, 
set the permissions, and then try logging in.


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Re: sid: Console problems after starting X

2010-09-04 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 06:35:28 -0400 (EDT), Andrei Popescu wrote:
 On Vi, 03 sep 10, 16:54:25, Joel Roth wrote:

 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
 drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::01:05.0
 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
 drmOpenDevice: open result is 11, (OK)
 drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 11
 drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci::01:05.0
 (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version 
 mismatch.
 [dri] This chipset requires a kernel module version of 1.17.0,
 [dri] but the kernel reports a version of 2.0.0.[dri] If using legacy 
 modesetting, upgrade your kernel.
 [dri] If using kernel modesetting, make sure your module is
 [dri] loaded prior to starting X, and that this driver was built
 [dri] with support for KMS.
 [dri] Disabling DRI.
 
 This, combined with the fact that you are running a self-compiled kernel 
 would indicate that you might miss some module. Can you try a stock 
 kernel?

Nice work, Andrei!

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Re: Ethernet connection

2010-09-04 Thread yuanwei xu
2010/9/4 Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com


 Today, strangely, on the laptop, instead of

 # ifconfig
 eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:03:0D:33:02:17
  inet addr:192.168.0.1  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::203:dff:fe33:217/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:6 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:468 (468.0 b)
  Interrupt:201 Base address:0xd800

 loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:86 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:86 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:9358 (9.1 KiB)  TX bytes:9358 (9.1 KiB)

 I got:

 loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)

 , and any connection with the cross cable was impossible.  Also, the
 command
 `ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up' gave:

 # ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
 SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
 eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
 SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
 eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device


 Then I did:

  # ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up

 , and then `ifconfig' gives:

 # ifconfig
 eth0  Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr
 00-03-0D-53-25-5C-86-16-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00

 Strange MAC address, and device name is changed to be eth0.
Have you upgraded your system or NIC driver or something else?
May /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules have some info.


Re: /home/user folder accidentally removed

2010-09-04 Thread Rob Owens
On Sat, Sep 04, 2010 at 03:16:42AM -0700, Fatih Tiryakioglu wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I wanted to remove trash folder, but home folder/home/user is gone. There was 
 only one user. I couldn't start any program. When I restarted computer, I 
 couldn't login. How can I recover system. Please help..
 
As someone else said, don't perform any more writes to the disk.

Boot with a live CD, such as Debian Live, Knoppix, or Ubuntu.  apt-get
install testdisk.  Then run a program called photorec.  This may be
able to find any important files that you deleted.

Do some reading of the man pages for photorec before attempting to use
it.  It's not overly complicated, but if it's very important that you
get your files back you'll want to know what you're doing.

-Rob


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Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Gilbert Sullivan
I have a Panasonic subnotebook (CF-R3) that has been functioning 
superbly for months under Squeeze with Xfce/gdm. It has an integrated 
Intel video system and a Japanese / English keyboard with which I have 
used the standard kernel mapping (chosen during Expert install). This is 
Squeeze with no proprietary firmware and the stock repositories (no 
third party repositories, no non-free, all software installations 
throughout the history of the system on this OS being made through 
aptitude).


This morning (09/04) after applying latest updates through aptitude, I 
rebooted the system. It hard locked after it started loading gdm. The 
REISUB key combination had no effect whatsoever on the system. I was 
unable to connect to it via Ethernet. I had to force it down with the 
power switch.


I can boot into recovery mode. I used touch /forcefsck to get a file 
system check during a reboot. No errors reported.


Below is the list of software upgrades applied this morning.

--8-
[INSTALL, DEPENDENCIES] libxapian22
[UPGRADE] apt 0.7.25.3 - 0.8.0
[UPGRADE] apt-utils 0.7.25.3 - 0.8.0
[UPGRADE] aptitude 0.6.3-3 - 0.6.3-3.1
[UPGRADE] aptitude-doc-en 0.6.3-3 - 0.6.3-3.1
[UPGRADE] firmware-linux-free 2.6.32-20 - 2.6.32-21
[UPGRADE] libept1 1.0.3 - 1.0.3+b1
[UPGRADE] libldap-2.4-2 2.4.17-2.1 - 2.4.23-4
[UPGRADE] libparted0debian1 2.3-1 - 2.3-2
[UPGRADE] libsdl-gfx1.2-4 2.0.20-1 - 2.0.20-1.1
[UPGRADE] linux-base 2.6.32-20 - 2.6.32-21
[UPGRADE] linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 2.6.32-20 - 2.6.32-21
[UPGRADE] python-apt 0.7.96.1 - 0.7.97.1
[UPGRADE] python-gobject 2.21.1-2 - 2.21.4+is.2.21.3-1
[UPGRADE] python-xapian 1.0.20-1 - 1.2.3-3
[UPGRADE] xserver-common 2:1.7.7-3 - 2:1.7.7-4
[UPGRADE] xserver-xephyr 2:1.7.7-3 - 2:1.7.7-4
[UPGRADE] xserver-xorg-core 2:1.7.7-3 - 2:1.7.7-4
--8-

I have a very different notebook (Dell Precision M70) that has exactly 
the same installation history. (I run them side-by-side, relying upon 
the Panasonic system as an emergency backup if the Dell should fail.) No 
problems ever running Squeeze on these systems other than some minor 
issues in the Nouveau driver transition on the Dell system a couple of 
months ago.


I've tried examining dmesg output, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/Xorg.0.log 
-- but, if there is evidence in there of why this is happening I'm not 
seeing it. (I'm happy to admit that I've in well over my head on this, 
though.)


From the list of upgraded software I suppose that my problem is either 
with the linux-image upgrade or with the xserver upgrades. 
Unfortunately, I have no previous kernels from which to boot the system. 
It does not have an optical drive, but I can attach one to a USB port 
and boot another environment if need be. I have a feeling that this 
isn't a hardware issue, though.


Would someone be willing to lead me through troubleshooting? I'd really 
appreciate it!



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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Alex Kuklin
On 04.09.2010 17:50, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:
 I have a Panasonic subnotebook (CF-R3) that has been functioning
 superbly for months under Squeeze with Xfce/gdm. It has an integrated
 Intel video system and a Japanese / English keyboard with which I have
 used the standard kernel mapping (chosen during Expert install). This
 is Squeeze with no proprietary firmware and the stock repositories (no
 third party repositories, no non-free, all software installations
 throughout the history of the system on this OS being made through
 aptitude).

 This morning (09/04) after applying latest updates through aptitude, I
 rebooted the system. It hard locked after it started loading gdm. The
 REISUB key combination had no effect whatsoever on the system. I was
 unable to connect to it via Ethernet. I had to force it down with the
 power switch.

 I can boot into recovery mode. I used touch /forcefsck to get a file
 system check during a reboot. No errors reported.

1) show
a)`uname -a` output
b) `lspci` output

there are chances that the problem resides in new xorg drivers/code.
Next steps depend on you particular video card model.

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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 09/04/2010 11:05 AM, Alex Kuklin wrote:


1) show
a)`uname -a` output
b) `lspci` output

there are chances that the problem resides in new xorg drivers/code.
Next steps depend on you particular video card model.



Thanks, Alex.

~# uname -a
Linux argh 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 25 14:28:12 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux

~# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV 
Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02)
00:00.1 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV 
Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02)
00:00.3 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV 
Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV 
Processor to AGP Controller (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM 
Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated 
Graphics Device (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM 
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 
EHCI Controller (rev 03)

00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 83)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface 
Bridge (rev 03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE 
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) 
SMBus Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM 
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. 
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)

02:05.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c475 (rev 88)
02:05.1 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C575 SD Bus Host Adapter

Sorry for the extra verbiage. I figured you only wanted video subsystem 
information, but I just redirected the output to a file on a flash drive 
and sneaker-netted it to the Dell. I figured I'd include it all instead 
of risking removing something that might have an outside chance of being 
useful.


Thank you for your time,
Gilbert


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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 09/04/2010 11:07 AM, Damon L. Chesser wrote:

Not an exact solution, but perhaps you should not run testing as a
desktop:  http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html

Not meant to be snarky, just trying to say testing is for testing.


I understand what you're saying, but I made the switch to testing for a 
lot of reasons having to do with application functionality and (of 
course) curiosity. Besides, Debian testing has been a lot more solid for 
me on these systems than Ubuntu LTS was for me! It's all relative.


;-)

I take good care of my data, so even the worst a total system meltdown 
can do is to cost me a couple of hours configuration time. I love 
Squeeze partially because it's giving me a chance to see and work 
through an occasional issue. I've been able to troubleshoot my way 
through almost all of the problems I've run into using the man files and 
other references.




Now, on to something more helpful:  can you boot the machine into a live
distro of some sort, to verify that the machine it's self does not have
a failure?




I'll have to do a bit of rearranging to do that. It will probably be a 
couple of hours before I can try. I have to say that a hardware issue 
doesn't seem likely. It would be a heck of a coincidence. But I'll give 
it a shot.


Thanks,
Gilbert


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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-09-04 17:23 +0200, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM
 Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated
 Graphics Device (rev 02)

My crystal ball tells me that you've been hit by this change in the
kernel:

,
| linux-2.6 (2.6.32-21) unstable; urgency=high
| 
|   [ Ben Hutchings ]
|   [...]
|   * [x86] i915: Blacklist i830, i845, i855 for KMS
| (Closes: #568207, #582105, #593432, #593507)
`

So downgrading the kernel would be my first attempt.

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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 10:50 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:
 I have a Panasonic subnotebook (CF-R3) that has been functioning 
 superbly for months under Squeeze with Xfce/gdm. It has an integrated 
 Intel video system and a Japanese / English keyboard with which I have 
 used the standard kernel mapping (chosen during Expert install). This is 
 Squeeze with no proprietary firmware and the stock repositories (no 
 third party repositories, no non-free, all software installations 
 throughout the history of the system on this OS being made through 
 aptitude).
 
 This morning (09/04) after applying latest updates through aptitude, I 
 rebooted the system. It hard locked after it started loading gdm. The 
 REISUB key combination had no effect whatsoever on the system. I was 
 unable to connect to it via Ethernet. I had to force it down with the 
 power switch.
 
 I can boot into recovery mode. I used touch /forcefsck to get a file 
 system check during a reboot. No errors reported.
 
 Below is the list of software upgrades applied this morning.
 
 --8-
 [INSTALL, DEPENDENCIES] libxapian22
 [UPGRADE] apt 0.7.25.3 - 0.8.0
 [UPGRADE] apt-utils 0.7.25.3 - 0.8.0
 [UPGRADE] aptitude 0.6.3-3 - 0.6.3-3.1
 [UPGRADE] aptitude-doc-en 0.6.3-3 - 0.6.3-3.1
 [UPGRADE] firmware-linux-free 2.6.32-20 - 2.6.32-21
 [UPGRADE] libept1 1.0.3 - 1.0.3+b1
 [UPGRADE] libldap-2.4-2 2.4.17-2.1 - 2.4.23-4
 [UPGRADE] libparted0debian1 2.3-1 - 2.3-2
 [UPGRADE] libsdl-gfx1.2-4 2.0.20-1 - 2.0.20-1.1
 [UPGRADE] linux-base 2.6.32-20 - 2.6.32-21
 [UPGRADE] linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 2.6.32-20 - 2.6.32-21
 [UPGRADE] python-apt 0.7.96.1 - 0.7.97.1
 [UPGRADE] python-gobject 2.21.1-2 - 2.21.4+is.2.21.3-1
 [UPGRADE] python-xapian 1.0.20-1 - 1.2.3-3
 [UPGRADE] xserver-common 2:1.7.7-3 - 2:1.7.7-4
 [UPGRADE] xserver-xephyr 2:1.7.7-3 - 2:1.7.7-4
 [UPGRADE] xserver-xorg-core 2:1.7.7-3 - 2:1.7.7-4
 --8-
 
 I have a very different notebook (Dell Precision M70) that has exactly 
 the same installation history. (I run them side-by-side, relying upon 
 the Panasonic system as an emergency backup if the Dell should fail.) No 
 problems ever running Squeeze on these systems other than some minor 
 issues in the Nouveau driver transition on the Dell system a couple of 
 months ago.
 
 I've tried examining dmesg output, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/Xorg.0.log 
 -- but, if there is evidence in there of why this is happening I'm not 
 seeing it. (I'm happy to admit that I've in well over my head on this, 
 though.)
 
  From the list of upgraded software I suppose that my problem is either 
 with the linux-image upgrade or with the xserver upgrades. 
 Unfortunately, I have no previous kernels from which to boot the system. 
 It does not have an optical drive, but I can attach one to a USB port 
 and boot another environment if need be. I have a feeling that this 
 isn't a hardware issue, though.
 
 Would someone be willing to lead me through troubleshooting? I'd really 
 appreciate it!
 
 

Not an exact solution, but perhaps you should not run testing as a
desktop:  http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html  

Not meant to be snarky, just trying to say testing is for testing.

Now, on to something more helpful:  can you boot the machine into a live
distro of some sort, to verify that the machine it's self does not have
a failure?


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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 09/04/2010 11:36 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2010-09-04 17:23 +0200, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:


00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM
Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated
Graphics Device (rev 02)


My crystal ball tells me that you've been hit by this change in the
kernel:

,
| linux-2.6 (2.6.32-21) unstable; urgency=high
|
|   [ Ben Hutchings ]
|   [...]
|   * [x86] i915: Blacklist i830, i845, i855 for KMS
| (Closes: #568207, #582105, #593432, #593507)
`


Hi, Sven.

Ouch! That's so mean of them!

:P



So downgrading the kernel would be my first attempt.



I'm going to ask a couple of questions because I'm not quite sure how to 
even research them.


The situation right now is that the system isn't connected to a network. 
I gather that, in order to downgrade the kernel, I've got to manage to 
connect from a command line interface. Haven't done that before in 
Linux. I use wicd. I'm supposing it's time to do man ifup and man 
ifdown. I think I can get through that.


However, I've never downgraded a package. From what I can see it looks 
as though 'dpkg -i package.deb' is used, providing I can find out how to 
get the appropriate package. I just looked in /var/cache/apt/archives 
and didn't see the previous image in there. That would be my fault. I 
used 'aptitude purge ~c'. Doh! I've been blithely doing 'aptitude 
autoclean' and 'aptitude purge ~c' after each set of upgrades all along. 
I read that that was a good practice on the Debian users forum. Eh. 
Maybe not so much. I've been blindly trusting that I would be able to 
work my way around any new issues that came up with package upgrades.


But having my display subsystem blacklisted doesn't seem to be something 
I can work around.


Do you have any specific suggestions as to how I could go about this? Is 
it time to retire this subnotebook (at least from use with Debian)? I 
really don't much like the idea of staying locked at an earlier 
linux-image version due to the possibility of related security issues. 
(I guess they're rare, but I'd still prefer to be as up-to-date as 
possible.)


Many thanks to you,
Gilbert


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Re: sid: Console problems after starting X

2010-09-04 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sb, 04 sep 10, 09:06:23, Stephen Powell wrote:
 
 Nice work, Andrei!

Not fair, you did the heavy lifting :)

Regards,
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Re: /home/user folder accidentally removed

2010-09-04 Thread Fatih Tiryakioglu
Thank you very much for your support. I recently installed Debian to my 
computer to have Linux experince, so it didn't have any important files. As you 
suggest, I just had a new user folder.

Thank you all again.


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--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote:

 From: Rob Owens row...@ptd.net
 Subject: Re: /home/user folder accidentally removed
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 4:40 PM
 On Sat, Sep 04, 2010 at 03:16:42AM
 -0700, Fatih Tiryakioglu wrote:
  Hello,
  
  I wanted to remove trash folder, but home
 folder/home/user is gone. There was only one user. I
 couldn't start any program. When I restarted computer, I
 couldn't login. How can I recover system. Please help..
  
 As someone else said, don't perform any more writes to the
 disk.
 
 Boot with a live CD, such as Debian Live, Knoppix, or
 Ubuntu.  apt-get
 install testdisk.  Then run a program called
 photorec.  This may be
 able to find any important files that you deleted.
 
 Do some reading of the man pages for photorec before
 attempting to use
 it.  It's not overly complicated, but if it's very
 important that you
 get your files back you'll want to know what you're doing.
 
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Backing up email to a CD

2010-09-04 Thread James Stuckey
Hi, I asked a question a week or so ago about backing up e-mail. What I
meant was that I wanted to back it up to a CD. The responses I got talked
about backing it up to an IMAP server. Does anyone know how to back it up to
a CD?


Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-09-04 18:04 +0200, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

 I'm going to ask a couple of questions because I'm not quite sure how
 to even research them.

 The situation right now is that the system isn't connected to a
 network. I gather that, in order to downgrade the kernel, I've got to
 manage to connect from a command line interface. Haven't done that
 before in Linux. I use wicd. I'm supposing it's time to do man ifup
 and man ifdown. I think I can get through that.

You could also try wicd-curses if that's installed, or use X with the
vesa driver.  Here's an /etc/X11/xorg.conf for that:

--8---cut here---start-8---
Section Device
Identifier  n
Driver  vesa
EndSection
--8---cut here---end---8---

 However, I've never downgraded a package. From what I can see it looks
 as though 'dpkg -i package.deb' is used, providing I can find out how
 to get the appropriate package.

It gets a bit more complicated if the package to be downgraded has tight
versioned dependencies forcing you to downgrade other packages, but that
is the basic recipe, and it should work in this case.

 I just looked in
 /var/cache/apt/archives and didn't see the previous image in
 there. That would be my fault. I used 'aptitude purge ~c'. Doh! I've
 been blithely doing 'aptitude autoclean' and 'aptitude purge ~c' after
 each set of upgrades all along. I read that that was a good practice
 on the Debian users forum. Eh. Maybe not so much. I've been blindly
 trusting that I would be able to work my way around any new issues
 that came up with package upgrades.

I run aptitude autoclean every once in a while, but only when I'm
reasonably sure there are no major problems with the currently installed
packages.

 But having my display subsystem blacklisted doesn't seem to be
 something I can work around.

 Do you have any specific suggestions as to how I could go about this?
 Is it time to retire this subnotebook (at least from use with Debian)?

It is a bit early to say this, but users of Intel 8xx graphics have been
hosed for a while due to frequent GPU lockups, and no satisfactory
solution has been found so far.

 I really don't much like the idea of staying locked at an earlier
 linux-image version due to the possibility of related security
 issues. (I guess they're rare, but I'd still prefer to be as
 up-to-date as possible.)

The downgraded kernel has a big security hole already (CVE-2010-2240),
but as long as you don't have malicious local users there is not too
much to worry about.

Sven


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Re: Backing up email to a CD

2010-09-04 Thread James Stuckey
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Paul Cartwright deb...@pcartwright.comwrote:

 On Sat September 4 2010, James Stuckey wrote:
  Hi, I asked a question a week or so ago about backing up e-mail. What I
  meant was that I wanted to back it up to a CD. The responses I got talked
  about backing it up to an IMAP server. Does anyone know how to back it up
  to a CD?

 you a CD burning program, like brasero or K3B and copy your Mail folder to
 a
 CD  burn it. Might be a good idea to back up ALL your files if they fit on
 a
 CD.. /home/USER, includine . files.. this will get all the good config
 files like .gconfg, .bashrc...

 your mail will probably be under a folder like:
 /home/USER/Maildir or /home/USER/Mail

 --
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 Registered Linux user # 367800
 Registered Ubuntu User #12459


Okay, but how do I get the e-mail off the server?


Re: Backing up email to a CD

2010-09-04 Thread Eero Volotinen
2010/9/4 James Stuckey jhstuc...@gmail.com:


 On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Paul Cartwright deb...@pcartwright.com
 wrote:

 On Sat September 4 2010, James Stuckey wrote:
  Hi, I asked a question a week or so ago about backing up e-mail. What I
  meant was that I wanted to back it up to a CD. The responses I got
  talked
  about backing it up to an IMAP server. Does anyone know how to back it
  up
  to a CD?

 you a CD burning program, like brasero or K3B and copy your Mail folder to
 a
 CD  burn it. Might be a good idea to back up ALL your files if they fit
 on a
 CD.. /home/USER, includine . files.. this will get all the good config
 files like .gconfg, .bashrc...

 your mail will probably be under a folder like:
 /home/USER/Maildir or /home/USER/Mail

 --
 Paul Cartwright
 Registered Linux user # 367800
 Registered Ubuntu User #12459

 Okay, but how do I get the e-mail off the server?


It depends on server and your accesslevel to that server. If you can
access it via ssh, then just copy files over sftp or scp to local
machine. If you cannot access server via ssh then just setup local
imap server and copy mails it to using imapsync..

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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 09/04/2010 12:40 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

You could also try wicd-curses if that's installed, or use X with the
vesa driver.  Here's an /etc/X11/xorg.conf for that:

--8---cut here---start-8---
Section Device
Identifier  n
Driver  vesa
EndSection
--8---cut here---end---8---



Thanks, Sven! I got the Panasonic system connected using ifup, grabbed 
the 2.6.32-20 linux-image from the snapshot server, and transferred it 
from the Dell notebook to the Panasonic notebook over the network.


However, just as I was about to roll up my sleeves and really start 
messing the system up I got your response. I hadn't even thought about 
reverting to vesa using /etc/X11/xorg.conf.


I decided to experiment. The system seems to make an abortive attempt at 
loading gdm with a different login background from the one I have 
designated, and then it succeeds! I'm able to boot using the new kernel! 
Is there any reason why I shouldn't just continue this way (using vesa)?


I can see that the system is slightly slower than it was, but it 
honestly isn't enough to bother me. I use these systems strictly for 
office applications, e-mail, remote access to other systems, and Web 
browsing. Obviously with no proprietary stuff installed I don't use them 
for watching movies or playing games online or anything like that.



It gets a bit more complicated if the package to be downgraded has tight
versioned dependencies forcing you to downgrade other packages, but that
is the basic recipe, and it should work in this case.


I'll remember that if I decide to proceed with the kernel downgrade.


I run aptitude autoclean every once in a while, but only when I'm
reasonably sure there are no major problems with the currently installed
packages.


Maybe I'll be a little more circumspect about going all the way with 
upgrades from now on.


;-)


But having my display subsystem blacklisted doesn't seem to be
something I can work around.

Do you have any specific suggestions as to how I could go about this?
Is it time to retire this subnotebook (at least from use with Debian)?


It is a bit early to say this, but users of Intel 8xx graphics have been
hosed for a while due to frequent GPU lockups, and no satisfactory
solution has been found so far.


Yes. This is where I've really been pretty boneheaded. You see, I've 
seen Intel 8xx graphics users complaining bitterly for quite a while 
now, but I've never had the least bit of trouble with this system, and 
it gets used for many hours every day. I imagine I just don't use 
applications that tend to give rise to GPU lockups, but I'm running Xfce 
with all of the desktop compositing bells and whistles enabled.


Anyway, I've just been shrugging my shoulders and figuring that maybe 
there was something special about this Panasonic's particular 
implementation of the graphics hardware that wasn't subject to the 
problems people were seeing. It didn't occur to me that my display 
subsystem might get blacklisted at some point.



The downgraded kernel has a big security hole already (CVE-2010-2240),
but as long as you don't have malicious local users there is not too
much to worry about.


This is a single-user system, and I'm usually not malicious -- well, not 
intentionally anyway. As we've seen, sometimes stupidity can accomplish 
what one might ordinarily be tempted to attribute to malice.


:-D

I'm thinking I should just forge ahead using the vesa driver and keeping 
up with the updates. Do you think that's a tenable approach?


I really appreciate your help, Sven.


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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 09/04/2010 11:07 AM, Damon L. Chesser wrote:

Now, on to something more helpful:  can you boot the machine into a live
distro of some sort, to verify that the machine it's self does not have
a failure?


Hi, Damon.

Just wanted to get back to you. The hardware is okay. Sven reminded me 
that I could use the vesa driver. (I had got used to not having an 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf file any more.) The system is working great now.


I appreciate your help.


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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 13:31 -0400, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:
 On 09/04/2010 12:40 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
  You could also try wicd-curses if that's installed, or use X with the
  vesa driver.  Here's an /etc/X11/xorg.conf for that:
 
  --8---cut here---start-8---
  Section Device
  Identifier  n
  Driver  vesa
  EndSection
  --8---cut here---end---8---
 
 
 Thanks, Sven! I got the Panasonic system connected using ifup, grabbed 
 the 2.6.32-20 linux-image from the snapshot server, and transferred it 
 from the Dell notebook to the Panasonic notebook over the network.
 
 However, just as I was about to roll up my sleeves and really start 
 messing the system up I got your response. I hadn't even thought about 
 reverting to vesa using /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
 
 I decided to experiment. The system seems to make an abortive attempt at 
 loading gdm with a different login background from the one I have 
 designated, and then it succeeds! I'm able to boot using the new kernel! 
 Is there any reason why I shouldn't just continue this way (using vesa)?
 
 I can see that the system is slightly slower than it was, but it 
 honestly isn't enough to bother me. I use these systems strictly for 
 office applications, e-mail, remote access to other systems, and Web 
 browsing. Obviously with no proprietary stuff installed I don't use them 
 for watching movies or playing games online or anything like that.
 
  It gets a bit more complicated if the package to be downgraded has tight
  versioned dependencies forcing you to downgrade other packages, but that
  is the basic recipe, and it should work in this case.
 
 I'll remember that if I decide to proceed with the kernel downgrade.
 
  I run aptitude autoclean every once in a while, but only when I'm
  reasonably sure there are no major problems with the currently installed
  packages.
 
 Maybe I'll be a little more circumspect about going all the way with 
 upgrades from now on.

Install apt-listbugs.  That way before the packages installs, you will
get a list of reported bugs against that package and you can decide if
you want to continue or not.

 
 ;-)
 
  But having my display subsystem blacklisted doesn't seem to be
  something I can work around.
 
  Do you have any specific suggestions as to how I could go about this?
  Is it time to retire this subnotebook (at least from use with Debian)?
 
  It is a bit early to say this, but users of Intel 8xx graphics have been
  hosed for a while due to frequent GPU lockups, and no satisfactory
  solution has been found so far.
 
 Yes. This is where I've really been pretty boneheaded. You see, I've 
 seen Intel 8xx graphics users complaining bitterly for quite a while 
 now, but I've never had the least bit of trouble with this system, and 
 it gets used for many hours every day. I imagine I just don't use 
 applications that tend to give rise to GPU lockups, but I'm running Xfce 
 with all of the desktop compositing bells and whistles enabled.
 
 Anyway, I've just been shrugging my shoulders and figuring that maybe 
 there was something special about this Panasonic's particular 
 implementation of the graphics hardware that wasn't subject to the 
 problems people were seeing. It didn't occur to me that my display 
 subsystem might get blacklisted at some point.
 
  The downgraded kernel has a big security hole already (CVE-2010-2240),
  but as long as you don't have malicious local users there is not too
  much to worry about.
 
 This is a single-user system, and I'm usually not malicious -- well, not 
 intentionally anyway. As we've seen, sometimes stupidity can accomplish 
 what one might ordinarily be tempted to attribute to malice.
 
 :-D
 
 I'm thinking I should just forge ahead using the vesa driver and keeping 
 up with the updates. Do you think that's a tenable approach?
 
 I really appreciate your help, Sven.
 
 


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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 09/04/2010 11:05 AM, Alex Kuklin wrote:

1) show
a)`uname -a` output
b) `lspci` output

there are chances that the problem resides in new xorg drivers/code.
Next steps depend on you particular video card model.


Hi, Alex.

The information you had me get via the 'uname -a' and 'lspci' commands 
provided the key. Sven saw it and pointed out the fact that the new 
kernel blacklists my video subsystem with kernel mode setting. Sven then 
reminded me that I could use the vesa video driver by using a simple 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf file. I've got the little computer up and running 
now, albeit a little more slowly that it used to run.


Many thanks for starting me down the right path.

Regards,
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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-09-04 19:31 +0200, Gilbert Sullivan wrote:

 However, just as I was about to roll up my sleeves and really start
 messing the system up I got your response. I hadn't even thought about
 reverting to vesa using /etc/X11/xorg.conf.

 I decided to experiment. The system seems to make an abortive attempt
 at loading gdm with a different login background from the one I have
 designated, and then it succeeds! I'm able to boot using the new
 kernel! Is there any reason why I shouldn't just continue this way
 (using vesa)?

Well, if the disadvantages of vesa do not bother you.  It's slow and may
not support your display's native resolution, but it works for basic 2D.

 I can see that the system is slightly slower than it was, but it
 honestly isn't enough to bother me. I use these systems strictly for
 office applications, e-mail, remote access to other systems, and Web
 browsing. Obviously with no proprietary stuff installed I don't use
 them for watching movies or playing games online or anything like
 that.

That's good, when I last had to use the vesa driver and watched a DVD
movie, I got warnings about dropped frames.  Well, that was six years
ago.

 I'm thinking I should just forge ahead using the vesa driver and
 keeping up with the updates. Do you think that's a tenable approach?

Just watch out for future kernels that may re-enable KMS, the vesa
driver is not compatible with that.  You will have to switch back to
intel (or fbdev) then.

Sven


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Re: Disappearing mouse

2010-09-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 00:21 -0400, Robert Brockway wrote:
 On Fri, 3 Sep 2010, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
 
  Has anyone experienced this in Debian? Is there a definitive cause and,
  more importantly, a real solution? Thanks - John
 
 I had this with an NVidia chipset (don't recall the exact chipset right 
 now).
 
 I had to add a SWCursor option to prevent cursor going invisible from time 
 to time under Lenny.  Once it went invisible the X server would need to be 
 restarted to recover it.  The cursor was just invisible - it always worked 
 perfectly if only you could guess where it was.
 
 This is an example from xorg.conf:
 
 Section Device
  Identifier  Configured Video Device
  Driver Vesa
  Option SWCursor yes
 EndSection
snip
Thanks, I'll give that a try although I'm a bit concerned about the
performance overhead since this is a VServer guest and we expect
hundreds of them on the same large VServer host - John


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Re: Backing up email to a CD

2010-09-04 Thread godo



Okay, but how do I get the e-mail off the server?
Look at preferences of your email client for Keep messages for this 
account on this computer (or something similar).
In SeaMonkey it is under Mail Settings  your email acc.  
Synchronization  Storage  Message Synchronizing.


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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 09/04/2010 01:44 PM, Damon L. Chesser wrote:

Install apt-listbugs.  That way before the packages installs, you will
get a list of reported bugs against that package and you can decide if
you want to continue or not.


Thank you for the heads-up on that. I actually have apt-listchanges 
installed and thought that it would have warned me of something like 
this. Apparently not. Either that, or I don't know how to use it.


Regards,
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Re: Squeeze System Bricked after Software Upgrades 09/04

2010-09-04 Thread Gilbert Sullivan

On 09/04/2010 02:00 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

Well, if the disadvantages of vesa do not bother you.  It's slow and may
not support your display's native resolution, but it works for basic 2D.


I'm thinking I'll stick with vesa for now. And it does support this 
display's native resolution of 1024x768. The only slight drawback I have 
with it right now is that it seems to get a false start on loading the 
login screen, but then it comes up fine. Everything seems to work!



That's good, when I last had to use the vesa driver and watched a DVD
movie, I got warnings about dropped frames.  Well, that was six years
ago.


Everything should improve over six years. Well, everything except me, 
perhaps.



Just watch out for future kernels that may re-enable KMS, the vesa
driver is not compatible with that.  You will have to switch back to
intel (or fbdev) then.


I understand, I think. And switching back to intel or the framebuffer 
driver should simply be a matter of eliminating the little 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf file (or altering what's in it), I suppose.


Again, many thanks for your patience and expertise. Your posts are 
always a source of valuable information.


Regards,
Gilbert


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Re: sid: Console problems after starting X

2010-09-04 Thread Joel Roth
On Sat, Sep 04, 2010 at 07:04:58PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
 On Sb, 04 sep 10, 09:06:23, Stephen Powell wrote:
  
  Nice work, Andrei!
 
 Not fair, you did the heavy lifting :)

Both deserving of a beer, if not a pizza as well,
to be collectible at some future FTF.

-j

 Regards,
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Re: Now Lost Boot Dir/2.6.34 Will Not Boot

2010-09-04 Thread David Baron
Using the Debian rescue CD, I installed the linux-image-2.6.32-5 and linux-
base from Sid.

The install edited my fstab and lilo.conf files for me, putting in the UUID 
numbers for everything except lilo.conf boot=. I left that as-is /dev/sda but 
both variations, UUID and ata-ID had previously worked.

Too bad the previous install did not fix this up for me. Might have saved a 
lot of grief, huh?

The initrd (needed most, dep failed) needed to go into highest memory with 
scarey warnings but  it worked.

After a long bootup with loads of [mesages.] (no untoward warnings or 
panics, however}, fsck balked but manual runs fixed that. I am now back up and 
running. Who knows, maybe the 2.6.34 kernel I compiled will run now?

Thanks for all the help. Debian folks are the best!


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Re: sid: Console problems after starting X

2010-09-04 Thread Angus Hedger
Hey,

On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 01:20:51 -1000
Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote:
 Thanks for checking this out! 
 
 Console *does* VT switching correctly under a stock 2.6.31-1-amd64
 kernel. (But for some reason suspend doesn't work... will try a later
 kernel.)
 
 Why didn't I think of this? Probably because the kernel was working
 before.

I think the cause of the problem is that there was just an xorg and
kernel update, this may have also updated the ATI driver, and as far i
understand it, due to KMS, you have to upgrade the kernel modules in
lockstep with the userspace bytes or unhappy things happen, like this.
(I have very little experience with ATI and mainline graphics drivers,
so I may be wrong! caveat emporium!)
 Mahalo
 
 Joel
 
  
  Regards,
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If you still want to build your own kernel, build it off the updated
debian src, or build the kernel modules into there own package. Or if
you want to use a newer mainline, think about building the ati driver
as well ;)
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Badly Formatted Emails

2010-09-04 Thread David Baron
I apologize for them. The provider's web-based mailer only supports Windows 
(cr/lf) and therefore, anything done in anything else, well, you've seen the 
results.

I complained but they have no intention of fixing it.

Anyway, now up and running and back in kmail so future postings should be 
readable.


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Cannot print from Adobe Acrobat

2010-09-04 Thread AG

Hello list

I seem to have lost the ability to print from Adobe Acrobat using Debian 
Testing.  OOo prints just fine as do other applications, but for some 
reason Adobe doesn't want to play nicely with CUPS.  Can anyone offer me 
a way of debugging this and resolving the situation please?


The Adobe in question is 9.3.1.  Thanks for any assistance.

AG


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Initramfs help

2010-09-04 Thread joseph lockhart
Computer suddenly dropped into initramfm after power loss, help getting back 
into file system would be helpful, and appreciated, stuck doing email from my 
phone

thanks in advance, hopefully the basic steps will b all i need

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Re: sid: Console problems after starting X

2010-09-04 Thread Joel Roth
On Sat, Sep 04, 2010 at 08:37:55PM +0100, Angus Hedger wrote:
 Hey,
 
 On Sat, 4 Sep 2010 01:20:51 -1000
 Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote:
  Thanks for checking this out! 
  
  Console *does* VT switching correctly under a stock 2.6.31-1-amd64
  kernel. (But for some reason suspend doesn't work... will try a later
  kernel.)
  
  Why didn't I think of this? Probably because the kernel was working
  before.
 
 I think the cause of the problem is that there was just an xorg and
 kernel update, this may have also updated the ATI driver, and as far i
 understand it, due to KMS, you have to upgrade the kernel modules in
 lockstep with the userspace bytes or unhappy things happen, like this.
 (I have very little experience with ATI and mainline graphics drivers,
 so I may be wrong! caveat emporium!)
  Mahalo

There do seem to be some kernel options that needed to be 
enabled, hence my success using a stock kernel.

Thanks!

Joel
 
  Joel
  
   
   Regards,
   Andrei
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   http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
  
  
 
 If you still want to build your own kernel, build it off the updated
 debian src, or build the kernel modules into there own package. Or if
 you want to use a newer mainline, think about building the ati driver
 as well ;)
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Re: Debian based NAS? What to buy?

2010-09-04 Thread Jochen Schulz
Angus Hedger:
 Jochen Schulz m...@well-adjusted.de wrote:
 
 I am still just a little bit unsure about wattage. Do I need 180W with
 an Atom board (D510 + ION or NM10 chipset) + four hard drives and one
 optical drive?
 
 Have a look here [1], I know it doesn’t have the D510, but if you do it
 for the atom 330 (which uses more power) you should be fine.
 
 [1]http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Thanks, that is interesting. It looks like I should definitely get the
case with a 180W PSU, not the 120W one. Now I only need to convince
myself that spending more than four hundred Euros (case, mobo, RAM,
optical drive…) for such a system is a reasonable thing to do. :)

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Re: Now Lost Boot Dir/2.6.34 Will Not Boot

2010-09-04 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 15:18:40 -0400 (EDT), David Baron wrote:
 
 Using the Debian rescue CD, I installed the linux-image-2.6.32-5 and linux-
 base from Sid.
 
 The install edited my fstab and lilo.conf files for me, putting in the UUID 
 numbers for everything except lilo.conf boot=. I left that as-is /dev/sda but 
 both variations, UUID and ata-ID had previously worked.
 
 Too bad the previous install did not fix this up for me. Might have saved a 
 lot of grief, huh?

Yes, that seems to be one weakness of linux-base.  (I think that's the package
that converts the files.)  It doesn't handle the boot record of /etc/lilo.conf
properly.  I discovered that the hard way a few months ago.  And that is why
I document the stuff I do in my kernel-building web page.  I thought about
reporting a bug, but I didn't want to give the movers and shakers at Debian
an excuse to pull lilo from the distribution.  It isn't lilo's fault, but
some people I know are looking for an excuse to pull it.

 The initrd (needed most, dep failed) needed to go into highest memory with 
 scarey warnings but  it worked.

MODULES=dep usually works, but only if you don't cross-build your initial RAM
file systems.  In other words, if you're using MODULES=dep, and you're building
an initial RAM file system image for the 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel, you had better
be *running* the 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel at the time you do the build.  If you're
running any other kernel, there's a good chance that the right drivers won't
be included.  Do you have the large-memory option specified in /etc/lilo.conf?
If not, you should.  This will probably eliminate the warnings.
 
 Thanks for all the help. Debian folks are the best!

You're welcome.  I'm glad I could help.

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Re: Initramfs help

2010-09-04 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 16:58:40 -0400 (EDT), Joseph Lockhart wrote:
 
 Computer suddenly dropped into initramfm after power loss, help
 getting back into file system would be helpful, and appreciated,
 stuck doing email from my phone
 
 thanks in advance, hopefully the basic steps will b all i need

I would suggest using the Debian installer in rescue mode,
escaping to a shell in the installer environment, and doing
an fsck on all your hard disk partitions.  Then I would boot
the installer again in rescue mode, escape to a shell using
the regular root file system mounted as root (chrooted shell)
and rerun your boot loader installer, if applicable.  (Such
as lilo.)  If your boot loader installer is grub, you don't
need to do this second step.

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re :debian

2010-09-04 Thread MÃGÍ© Øne
how do i get rid of it ...i have inherited a machine with debian on it and it 
is password protectedis there a master password to bypass the program so i 
can uninstall it ??




  

Re: re :debian

2010-09-04 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 18:39:13 -0400 (EDT), MÃGÍ© Øne
 
 how do i get rid of it ...i have inherited a machine with debian on
 it and it is password protectedis there a master password to
 bypass the program so i can uninstall it ??

I'm not sure what you mean by password protected.  Debian, like
all distributions of GNU/Linux, requires you to login first with
a userid and a password.  You can't just boot it up and start
using it.  But what you're saying sounds like the machine may have
a password set in the BIOS.  This has nothing to do with Debian,
per se.  If this is the case, consult your hardware documentation
for how to remove a BIOS password that you do not know.

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Re: re :debian

2010-09-04 Thread Mark Allums

On 9/4/2010 5:39 PM, MÃGÍ© Øne wrote:

how do i get rid of it ...i have inherited a machine with debian on it
and it is password protectedis there a master password to bypass the
program so i can uninstall it ??





Boot off a CD/DVD, or if the CMOS is locked, open the machine, find the 
right pins, and short them to reset the CMOS.  (Or remove the battery 
and wait five minutes.  The battery could probably stand to be replaced 
anyway.)  Then boot off of a CD.  If you reset the CMOS, be sure to 
remember to configure the hardware before trying to boot.



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Re: Cannot print from Adobe Acrobat

2010-09-04 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 20:57 +0100, AG wrote:
 Hello list
 
 I seem to have lost the ability to print from Adobe Acrobat using Debian 
 Testing.  OOo prints just fine as do other applications, but for some 
 reason Adobe doesn't want to play nicely with CUPS.  Can anyone offer me 
 a way of debugging this and resolving the situation please?
 
 The Adobe in question is 9.3.1.  Thanks for any assistance.
 
 AG
 
 
We had the exact same problem.  Acrobat Reader would not even see the
CUPS printers until 9.3.1 but it could not use them properly.  That
didn't happen until 9.3.2.  An upgrade should do the trick for you.  I
believe the debian-multimedia testing repository is up to 9.3.4.

The other major problem we are having with Acrobat Reader is that it
insists on saving all files with permissions of 0600.  If you have
shared file areas where the GID bit is set so group members can share
files (we do and set the umask to 007), Acrobat Reader steps all over
this and only the creator can use the file unless the permissions are
manually changed :-(


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Re: What's the Debian way of disabling suspend to disk?

2010-09-04 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 22:06:33 -0300
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote:

 On Fri, 03 Sep 2010, Celejar wrote:
  On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 14:32:03 -0300
  Henrique de Moraes Holschuh h...@debian.org wrote:
  
  ...
  
   That said, I don't trust hybernation.  Your data is much safer in the
   long run if you restrain yourself to suspend-to-RAM and shutdowns.
  
  Can you elaborate on this?  I have certainly experienced my share of
 
 Yes.  Suspend-to-disk on Linux x86/amd64 depends on fragile operations, and
 worse, it requires that the hibernation core and some of the more fiendishly
 complex kernel subsystems never disagree at all on the details.
 
 That can easily result in silent, hard-to-track data corruption when code
 changes.  When you're very lucky, it hoses the kernel or the filesystem
 metadata in a way which can be easily noticed by some kernel assertion,
 resulting in an OOPS or warnings.  If you're unlucky, it can slowly rot away
 your filesystem or the data inside it.
 
 Restoring from an hibernation image also does nasty things to the ACPI
 firmware.  But at least any problems there are much more likely to cause the
 box to fail to resume entirely, instead of truly evil stuff like silent
 filesystem or application memory space corruption.

Thanks for the explanation.  I use hibernation pretty heavily, and I've
never really noticed such problems, but OTOH, I have had my share of
system crashes and other such failures, which I've always just chalked
up to living on the bleeding edge (Sid, plus git kernels from
upstream), but who knows ...

  or do you mean the much more serious problem of the hibernation image
  becoming corrupted and the system not realizing this?  I though that
 
 It is not the hibernation image getting corrupted.  It is running system
 state getting corrupted due to bad interaction between parts of the kernel,
 or outright kernel bugs.
 
 Suspend-to-RAM is much easier to get right (and *keep* right), and far less
 fragile.

I'd love to use s2ram, but I've never gotten it to work on this
machine, even with a great deal of time and effort.

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gnome mounts all fstab entries

2010-09-04 Thread T o n g
Hi,

I don't know its old behaviour but I just noticed that if gnome is 
started, then all my mount points defined in fstab are mounted, despite 
that the mount points are defined as noauto.

Anyway that I can disable it? 

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iomega 2TB external USB drive

2010-09-04 Thread John Lindsay
I just picked up an Iomega 2TB external USB drive. It is formatted NTSF. 
When plugged into my Win7 pc it is seen however it does not show up on 
screen under Debian (lenny). Is this drive supported? How can I get it 
seen by debian?


John


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Re: Debian based NAS? What to buy?

2010-09-04 Thread Jeff Latta

Francisco Borges wrote:

I am thinking about buying a new NAS box. Not a DIY box, but a ready
to use NAS (2 to max 4 trays) for home use (it has to be *small* and
quiet).
I'm looking for one of those too.  I will probably go with the QNAP 
TS-219P because of its relatively small size and low power consumption 
which is 5W in sleep and 21W in operation.  It does have one fan.  Sound 
level is specified at 36.3 dB in operation.  There was a thread on 
Debian-ARM about installation so it will run Debian.  I was impressed 
with the number of features that the QNAP products had.  It comes with 
embedded Linux and is expandable with their QPKG Software Package 
Platform.  I haven't owned a QNAP product before.  Any comments from 
those of you that do?


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Can start X once but no more

2010-09-04 Thread T o n g
Hi,

Following up with 
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/389399

I have exactly the same symptom:

I can start X once.
After killing or quitting it once, it won't start again.

I've posted my /var/log/Xorg.0.log to 
http://paste.debian.net/87848/
(got rejected several time due it is over size).

Seems to me there is nothing special to pay attention to [1]. 

Anyone can help with my case?

$ uname -rm 
2.6.33-grml64 x86_64

Thanks

[1]

$ grep -1 '(EE)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Sat Aug 14 13:41:37 2010
--
 ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0
(EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory
(II) Loading sub module int10

$ grep -1 '\(WW\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Sat Aug 14 13:41:37 2010
--
(==) Automatically enabling devices
(WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist.
 Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/ does not exist.
 Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi does not exist.
 Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist.
 Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/ does not exist.
 Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi does not exist.
 Entry deleted from font path.
--
(--) NV: Found NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE at 0...@00:0d:0
(WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa
(WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev
(II) Loading sub module fbdevhw

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Re: Cannot print from Adobe Acrobat

2010-09-04 Thread B. Alexander
You should also probably consider an alternative to Acrobat for PDF, since
Adobe seems to have at least one security alert per week. My wife's computer
(running lenny) had acrobat installed and she had the same problem...I
uninstalled acrobat and she was able to open it in kpdf and print just fine.

--b

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 3:57 PM, AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hello list

 I seem to have lost the ability to print from Adobe Acrobat using Debian
 Testing.  OOo prints just fine as do other applications, but for some reason
 Adobe doesn't want to play nicely with CUPS.  Can anyone offer me a way of
 debugging this and resolving the situation please?

 The Adobe in question is 9.3.1.  Thanks for any assistance.

 AG



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Re: RAID Questions

2010-09-04 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Miles:

On Friday 09 July 2010 22:10:46 Miles Fidelman wrote:
 Tom H wrote:
  On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Miles Fidelman
 
  mfidel...@meetinghouse.net  wrote:
  shell  grub-install hd0
  shell  grub-install hd1
 
  With these grub-install invocations, you will not be able to boot in
  degraded mode.
 
  You have to set both sda and sdb to hd0 but you cannot do that in
  device.map. You have to use the grub shell:

 I'm pretty sure you're wrong on this - at least it's worked for me in
 the past.

 You DON'T have to set both sda and sdb to hd0

hd0 is the first disk seen by the BIOS.  If your first disk fails badly your 
second disk will become hd0.  If you don't set up grub on the second disk 
to think that it is the first disk you won't be able to boot up (it'll try 
to find hd1 to load the system from it and it won't find it).


 I'm pretty sure that things will break badly if grub things that both
 disks are hd0.

Probably, but grub doesn't think that both disks are hd0 but you will have 
grub installed on the boot sectors of two different disks.  When you boot up 
your BIOS will load grub's first stage from only one of the disks, the first 
one on normal conditions, or the second one when the first fails, but then 
the second one will become the first and only! (so it will be hd0 under such 
conditions).

Note that this won't cover the case when the first disk is broken but not 
broken enough, so it's still detected by the BIOS: in this case only real 
hardware RAID will allow you to boot without previous mangling.

Cheers.


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Re: iomega 2TB external USB drive

2010-09-04 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:22:04 -0400
John Lindsay jcl...@sentex.net wrote:

 I just picked up an Iomega 2TB external USB drive. It is formatted NTSF. 
 When plugged into my Win7 pc it is seen however it does not show up on 
 screen under Debian (lenny). Is this drive supported? How can I get it 
 seen by debian?

You need to explain what you mean by show up on screen.  What does
dmesg / syslog say?

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Re (3): Configuration for a Linux router with a client having a public address

2010-09-04 Thread peasthope
From:   Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com
Date:   Fri, 03 Sep 2010 23:45:50 -0600
 ... carnot is already on the public internet
 with 142.103.107.138?  

OK, we've discussed two distinct configurations and 
that wasn't clear.  Friday I reinstated the old configuration 
and checked just now that carnot is still running.  
  Click here == http://142.103.107.138/ .
If you don't get the home page, the most likely explanation 
is disk drive failure.

 I thought that you had it on a private network
 and were trying to tunnel it onto the public internet. 

That was the recent investigative configuration.

In the old configuration, http://142.103.107.138/ connected 
through the AT 3612TR was accessible to the public from 2002 
until a few months ago.  I shut it down a few months back 
because the disk drives were failing.  Powered it up again 
Friday, but a drive might fail any time.  

For years I've had a private network with Dalton routing 
connectivity to Cantor.  My objective in the past week 
was to consider whether the AT 3612TR can be eliminated with 
routing through Dalton.  The private subnet to Carnot is 
incidental to my study of how the objective might be reached.

 And of course carnot isn't on the diagram so I feel I am just missing
 the mark here.

Carnot and the AT 3612TR being absent from the diagram is 
a bad deficiency.  I'll add them on Tuesday or Wednesday 
when back at work.  The AT 3612TR is between dalton and the 
Internet.  Carnot is connected to the AT 3612TR beside 
Dalton.

 What is carnot's first card's address and which wire is it hooked to?

It has only one interface.  In the old configuration the 
address is 142.103.107.138 and it is connected to the AT 3612TR.

 If carnot is already on 142.103.107.138 then why does it need a
 private address ...

The primary objective is find whether the AT 3612TR can be 
eliminated by routing through dalton.  The private subnet 
to Carnot was part of my study of whether and how this 
objective might be reached.  Typically, a Linux router 
has private subnets.

 ... and what looks like an openvpn point to point link
 between it [carnot] and dalton?

As you said a little earlier, carnot is not on the diagram.  
The tunnel is between dalton and joule and has no relevance 
to my present objective.  The scanned image from a penciled 
sketch isn't good but zooming bigger will help.  In iceweasel 
left click.

 No wire?  Then why have it [second Ethernet adapter]?

In the previous message I asked whether and how carnot could 
have two addresses.  A second interface seems an obvious 
possibility.

 Simply add the other address. 
 ...
   up ip addr add 192.168.1.100/24 brd 192.168.1.255 dev eth0 label eth0:0
 ...

That's easy but not obvious; thanks!  I'd guess it's documented 
or described somewhere but not in interfaces.man.

 ... It enables two different subnets to co-exist on the same wire. ...

That idea helps.  I thought of another question, probably 
more directly relevant to my objective.  Will post it 
with subject Linux hub.

Thanks, ... Peter E.

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Linux hub

2010-09-04 Thread peasthope
Does anyone know of documentation for a Linux hub or a Linux 
switch?  The simplest example I can think of is a system with 
a gateway interface transmitting packets for multiple addresses 
and subordinate interfaces transmitting packets for one or all 
addresses except for the address of the machine itself.

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Re: iomega 2TB external USB drive

2010-09-04 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Saturday 04 September 2010 21:22:04 John Lindsay wrote:
 I just picked up an Iomega 2TB external USB drive. It is formatted NTSF.
 When plugged into my Win7 pc it is seen however it does not show up on
 screen under Debian (lenny). Is this drive supported? How can I get it
 seen by debian?

Make sure you install ntfs-3g -- the basic NTFS driver in the kernel does not 
have high-quality write support.

If you want a pop-up notification when you plug the drive in, (and possibly 
auto-mounting) make sure you choose a feature-complete desktop environment 
like Gnome or KDE SC.
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