date:20111008

On 09/10/11 04:20, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Camaleón  writes:
> 
>> Please, people... when you cite any document/source that you've found on 
>> Internet also put the link you are referring to, so we can check ;-)
> 
> I did intend to include that but forgot it in the end.
> 
> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html
> 
> Note is says but kde3 but its really up to 4.4 on the page cited.
> 
> I found better advice here:
> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html
> 
> But so far having a poor experience with KDE.  When I get logged in
> there are no menus/panels or anything other than a black screen.
> 
> I got an xterm running because I had some key combos using xbindkeys.
> 
> Anything I start slams up into the top right corner.  The title bar is
> just out of reach so it cannot be moved.  If I open something else,
> then it slams into the right corner.
> 
> When I did aptitude install kde-full there were dozens of pkgs
> installed and maybe 12-20 removed.  Installs came to over 100 and yet
> with all that muck installed KDE will not start and run normally.  
> 
> So I'm back in fluxbox wondering what to do about it all.  I didn't
> really want to tackle a whole lot of huffing and puffing.  Someone
> told me you could zoom into your screen and there by end up with a
> large pannable space to work in.  
> 
> So far its just a silly non-working mess.  I'm now wondering how to
> get rid of all the useless junk that got installed.
> 
> None of it will be usable on a desktop that piles everything in the top
> left corner and renders it non-movable... means you can only see one
> app at a time
> 
> 

*Don't stress - this is easily, and simply, fixed*

kde-desktop is a small part of the KDE Desktop Environment.

Please post:-
/etc/apt/sources.list
the output of:-
dpkg --get-selections

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Re: LXDE Menu editing

2011-10-08 Thread Robert Blair Mason Jr.

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 23:25:14 +0100
Richard  wrote:

> On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:03:03 -0500 (CDT)
> Blair Mason  wrote:
> 
> > Oct 8, 2011 11:52:04 AM, richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I'm trying out LXDE, much less system load, very noticeable .
> > > Is there a menu editor similar to gnome alcatel, I'd like to
> > > customise the "other" menu section.
> > 
> > 
> > You can try lxmed : http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxmed/
> > 
> > Alternately, there's always editing the *.desktop files.
> > 
> > EDIT:  Accidentally replied off-list.
> > 
> > --
> > rbmj
> > 
> > 
> 
> Thanks I downloaded it and I have JRE installed, but it starts up OK,
> but the menu it shows looks nothing what's actually there.
> I may have to edit the desktop files.
> 
> 

By chance are you talking about the debian menus?  I had a 'problem'
with LXDE when I first installed where the menu contained a bunch of
random programs that don't need their own menu entry or duplicates all
shoved into the other category.  Purging menu and menu-xdg fixed the
'problem' for me.

I don't want to provoke anyone or start a flame war, but why does the
debian menu system still exist?  It had it's place in the past, but all
modern DEs and panel/menu systems support the FD.o XDG application
standards.  Maybe it's a little strong to say it should be dropped (I
can see uses in some special cases), but why is it enabled by default?

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Re: OT: Desktop icons - Some blubbering :.(

On 09/10/11 03:24, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Samstag, 8. Oktober 2011 schrieb Scott Ferguson:
>> Fortunately Lenny is still available - for some purposes I still use
>> it. I doubt all support for it will end any time soon (hopefully). The
>> beauty of Debian - we get a lot of choices.
> 
> One year after the release of Squeeze - if the security team uses the 
> usual times. So thats not too far off.
> 
I understand the official timetable - I moved to Squeeze (for the most
part) earlier this year so we would have time to adapt, before official
support ended.

Given Trinity, and the amount of people reluctant to embrace KDE4, I
still wouldn't be surprised if (unofficial) support is extended. I note
that there are vendors that provide (partial) support for Sarge (and
even early releases), as they use it for their products (embedded
firewall devices etc).
It's not something I'd bank on, nor is it likely to be production grade
support.

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Disabling wifi to save battery

2011-10-08 Thread Daniel Dalton

Hi, 

I've recently purchased a Dell vostro 3350 laptop, and to save battery,
I was planning to disable wifi, when it wasn't required. On my old
laptop I could use the rfkill package like so:
rfkill block wifi 

But it seems to have no effect on my Dell. The wifi hot key on the
laptop does not seem to work either (from the console). Does anyone have
any other ideas? If I do ifdown eth1 to bring down wifi, is it likely
the wifi will still be consuming significant battery? 

Thanks for any help,
Dan


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Re: Permission Problem with xsane - more

On 09/10/11 01:06, Thomas H. George wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 12:09:51PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
>> On 08/10/11 01:31, Thomas H. George wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 10:37:04AM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 06/10/11 01:38, Thomas H. George wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 08:57:59AM -0400, Alan Greenberger wrote:
>> On 2011-10-03, Thomas H. George  wrote:
>>  (...)


>> $ scanimage -d epson2:libusb:001:005
>> and
>> $ scanimage -d epson:libusb:001:005
> 
> These commands respond "output is not a file, exiting"

That's good - the command requires other parameters. But that message
indicates that it would work (as you demonstrate further down)

After reboot (or restarting saned) you'd probably find the epson2
parameter would fail.

> 
> To add to the confusion xcanimage now works from a command line, no more
> segfault.  I have changed nothing since installing iscan.  My best guess
> is that commenting out epson in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf may have solved the
> problem but only took effect after the system was rebooted.

Yes. Sorry - I should have suggested "# /etc/init.d/saned restart"

Glad to hear you have it working - it's a nice scanner.

> 
>> 
>>>
>>> Tom
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Re: [OT] Re: Please kill the noise

On 09/10/11 09:26, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 10/8/2011 4:59 PM, Weaver wrote:
> 
>> It's a pity that's not the case, as I sometimes have a question
>> regarding firewalls, etc and take it to the firewall list, yet the
>> number of questions regarding firewalls I have seen on 'debian-user'
>> probably far out-number those on 'firewall'.
>>
>> This probably means that the answer to a searcher's question exists,
>> but they have been looking where the answer isn't.
> 
> Since you are apparently unable to discern on your own what is and is
> not on topic, do you require someone to write a detailed list of
> everything possibly discussed on this planet, with a little star next to
> each that is on topic?
> 

http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2011/09/msg1.html




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OSS Research Help Needed Please - drawing for tablet computer ($500.00 gift card) for participation.

2011-10-08 Thread Lila Holt

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Re: [OT] Re: Please kill the noise

2011-10-08 Thread Weaver

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 17:26:24 -0500
Stan Hoeppner  wrote:

> On 10/8/2011 4:59 PM, Weaver wrote:
> 
> > It's a pity that's not the case, as I sometimes have a question
> > regarding firewalls, etc and take it to the firewall list, yet the
> > number of questions regarding firewalls I have seen on 'debian-user'
> > probably far out-number those on 'firewall'.
> > 
> > This probably means that the answer to a searcher's question exists,
> > but they have been looking where the answer isn't.
> 
> Since you are apparently unable to discern on your own what is and is
> not on topic, do you require someone to write a detailed list of
> everything possibly discussed on this planet, with a little star next
> to each that is on topic?
> 

I think the best answer to that is just to let it stand as it is.

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Upgrading base-files wants to wipe out half of system

2011-10-08 Thread Daniel D Jones

Searching Google and this list archives haven't come up with anything on this.  
Running apt-get upgrade, base-files and a number of other packages are being 
held back.  Doing a dist-upgrade or manually upgrading base-files gives me 
this:

# apt-get install base-files
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer 
required:
  x11-apps xorg-docs-core libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libhttp-daemon-perl 
libevent-1.4-2 libfile-listing-perl xfonts-scalable xulrunner-1.9.1 libwww-
robotrules-perl  bind9utils libopts25 x11-xfs-utils libhttp-date-perl liblwp-
mediatypes-perl libauthen-ntlm-perl libhtml-parser-perl libeggdbus-1-0 libck-
connector0 xfonts-75dpi  spamc fgetty libio-zlib-perl xinit x11-session-utils 
libfs6 xfonts-100dpi libhtml-form-perl libmozjs2d libhttp-negotiate-perl 
libpam-ck-connector  libencode-locale-perl libhtml-tree-perl libhttp-cookies-
perl libhttp-message-perl libhtml-tagset-perl libnet-http-perl consolekit
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libterm-readline-perl-perl lighttpd spawn-fcgi
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  apache2 apache2-mpm-prefork apache2.2-common bind9 bsd-mailx dmsetup 
e2fsprogs eject exim4 exim4-base exim4-daemon-heavy ftp git-daemon-run git-svn 
grub  grub-common grub-pc hal iceweasel initramfs-tools initscripts 
libapache2-mod-php5 libdevmapper1.02.1 libemail-valid-perl libio-socket-ssl-
perl  liblwp-protocol-https-perl libnet-smtp-ssl-perl libwww-perl mailman 
mailx munin-node nagios-plugins nagios-plugins-basic nagios-plugins-standard 
nagios3-cgi  nagios3-common netbase nfs-common nfs-kernel-server ntp ntpdate 
openssh-server pidentd postgresql-common procps qpopper runit spamassassin 
squid sysvinit telnet udev util-linux vsftpd xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-
core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-
synaptics xserver-xorg-input-wacom  xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-
apm xserver-xorg-video-ark xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-chips 
xserver-xorg-video-cirrus  xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-geode 
xserver-xorg-video-i128 xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-intel 
xserver-xorg-video-mach64  xserver-xorg-video-mga xserver-xorg-video-neomagic 
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau xserver-xorg-video-nv xserver-xorg-video-openchrome 
xserver-xorg-video-r128  xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-
rendition xserver-xorg-video-s3 xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-
savage  xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sis xserver-xorg-
video-sisusb xserver-xorg-video-tdfx xserver-xorg-video-trident xserver-xorg-
video-tseng  xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vmware xserver-xorg-
video-voodoo
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libterm-readline-perl-perl lighttpd spawn-fcgi
The following packages will be upgraded:
  base-files
WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
  e2fsprogs util-linux (due to e2fsprogs) sysvinit initscripts (due to 
sysvinit)
1 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 93 to remove and 24 not upgraded.
Need to get 406 kB of archives.
After this operation, 118 MB disk space will be freed.
You are about to do something potentially harmful.
To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
 ?]


Is the base-files upgrade wanting to switch to upstart vice sysvinit? If so, is 
there a guide on how to do this?  


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Re: When was Debian installed

2011-10-08 Thread Jari Fredriksson

8.10.2011 4:09, Mark Panen kirjoitti:
> Hi,
> 
> Which command do i run to find out on which date i installed my Debian OS?
> 

uptime

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Re: Install kde-desktop on existing debian install

Weaver  writes:

> On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 11:13:18 -0500
> Harry Putnam  wrote:
>
>> Looking at what is listed like this in google:
>> How to install KDE on Debian - The Debian KDE maintainers website
>> 
>> I find this apparently out of date information:
>> 
>> install KDE on your existing Debian system
>> 
>> If you already have Debian Lenny installed and you want a complete KDE
>> desktop, install the "kde-desktop" task:
>
> If you open up the aptitude ncurses interface and the the 'not
> installed packages' option, the first category you will see is 'tasks'.
> If you arrow down you will come across what you are looking for.

I guess you mean the kde-desktop item... but once found I'm not seeing
what else to do.  Its really a confusing interface.  I keep getting
deeper into trouble but no clue what its doing.  I think I may have to
use some other means. Ncurses aptitude is a mine field and seems only
to offer version 3.5 of kde.


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Re: [OT] Yet Another Language Issue (wa: imap with claws mail problem)

2011-10-08 Thread Joe

On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:37:03 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

> On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 19:25:03 +0200, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> 
> > On 06/10/11 17:33, Camaleón wrote:
> >> OTOH, I dunno how Claws manages this,
> 
> > Camaleón, I know English isn't your first language, although you
> > write it extremely well. I hope, therefore, that you won't take
> > offence at my picking you up on the ghastly contraction "dunno".
> > The correct usage is "I don't know".
> 
> I didn't know using "dunno" was incorrect, I mean, when using a
> casual language like the one it happens on a mailing list such
> this :-?
> 
> When I'm not sure about a word (which happens more times than I'd
> like), I query several sources, like "Google translate" or the Oxford
> dictionary and in both appears as a proper/valid term:
> 
> http://translate.google.com/#en|es|I%20dunno 
> http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/dunno
> 
> But I'm always willing to learn, so may I ask why you find its usage 
> ofensive or not appropiate? I'm curious.
> 
> (feel free to e-mail me directly to avoid people gets angry for
> filling up the list with more and more Off-Topic questions...)
> 
> > I'll probably get mightily flamed for this, but it makes me bristle
> > every time I see it!
> 
> I will try to get used to a more polite speaking, but I will have to 
> discard from my mind all that "AFAIK, IIRC, AFAICT...", which make me 
> write a bit faster and do less typos ;-)
> 

I don't think it's a matter of politeness, and I doubt that Tony is
offended, but its usage in Britain is usually by, how can I put this,
lazy people who can't be bothered to speak clearly, who might say 'fink'
rather than 'think', because the 'th' sound is slightly harder to make.
'Dunno' is the vaguely sullen one-word answer that a small boy might
give when asked 'who broke the window?', while looking down and kicking
the ground.

In print, they might splatter their text with 'ur' for 'your', and '4'
and 'm8', the sort of abbreviations we see in Windows forums. A bit
more than just 'casual', but certainly not offensive.

We all build up a sort of picture of each other, and all we have to go
on is the style of writing: your English (and abbreviations) are
generally of a much higher standard, and if someone were speaking to me
face-to-face in your usual writing style, and dropped in 'dunno', it
would sound strange. A bit like the Queen saying it in her Christmas
message.

But it's no big deal, you're not being rude to anyone.

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Re: [OT] Re: Please kill the noise

2011-10-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 10/8/2011 4:59 PM, Weaver wrote:

> It's a pity that's not the case, as I sometimes have a question
> regarding firewalls, etc and take it to the firewall list, yet the
> number of questions regarding firewalls I have seen on 'debian-user'
> probably far out-number those on 'firewall'.
> 
> This probably means that the answer to a searcher's question exists,
> but they have been looking where the answer isn't.

Since you are apparently unable to discern on your own what is and is
not on topic, do you require someone to write a detailed list of
everything possibly discussed on this planet, with a little star next to
each that is on topic?

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Re: LXDE Menu editing

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:03:03 -0500 (CDT)
Blair Mason  wrote:

> Oct 8, 2011 11:52:04 AM, richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I'm trying out LXDE, much less system load, very noticeable .
> > Is there a menu editor similar to gnome alcatel, I'd like to customise the 
> > "other" menu section.
> 
> 
> You can try lxmed : http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxmed/
> 
> Alternately, there's always editing the *.desktop files.
> 
> EDIT:  Accidentally replied off-list.
> 
> --
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> 
> 

Thanks I downloaded it and I have JRE installed, but it starts up OK, but the 
menu it shows looks nothing
what's actually there.
I may have to edit the desktop files.


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how to gather info for reporting problem

Attempted to install a full kde setup today but landed in the soup
once it was done. 

I just get a black screen with a terminal emulator running, no menus
are available with mouse clicks or anywhere on the screen in terms of
an icon.  Just the terminal.  Any apps I open are slapped up into the
top left corner where the title bar becomes inaccessible.  If I open
anything else it covers the previous app, then I have two with the one
under inaccessible.  Can't even be raised back to top.

So it clear enough something or things are boogered up.

I want to report what has happened and maybe get a
leg up on fixing things back up.

How can I determine what pkgs were installed and which removed during
the kde install?

I was prompted a few times about uninstalling and installing
things. And I remember one prompt that asked me if it was ok to leave
a list of dependencies unmet.  

I just don't know debian well enough yet to competently find that kind
of info and summarize for a discussion here.

There must be common ways of finding that kind of info.


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Re: [OT] Re: Please kill the noise

2011-10-08 Thread Weaver

On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:46:11 -0700
Freeman  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:24:07AM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> > On 10/06/2011 06:32 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> > >All of the off topic crap the last couple of days is making it more
> > >difficult to assist those who actually need help with Debian.
> > 
> > If you are using an MUA that supports threading, then I don't see
> > the issue. It's all contained in one thread, and it doesn't prevent
> > me from seeing other posts in other threads.
> > 
> > >Debian is an OS for _mature_ Linux users.  Please act like one and
> > >stop this juvenile OT nonsense.
> > 
> > Following the "Re: Wow, Evolution left me with eggs in my face"
> > thread, including all of its off-topic sub-threads, has shown a
> > great level of maturity and tact. I see nothing juvenile about the
> > thread personally.
> > 
> 
> Maybe the occasional off topic post should be a reminder to subscribe
> to
> 
> d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org
> 
> The official Debian archive of support information would be left
> cleaner. Filtering into separate or joint mailboxes gives sharper
> organization than depending on OT in the header.  The varying needs
> for social environment would be satisfied along with the need for a
> positive signal to noise ratio.
> 

It's a pity that's not the case, as I sometimes have a question
regarding firewalls, etc and take it to the firewall list, yet the
number of questions regarding firewalls I have seen on 'debian-user'
probably far out-number those on 'firewall'.

This probably means that the answer to a searcher's question exists,
but they have been looking where the answer isn't.
Regards,

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Re: [OT] Re: Please kill the noise

2011-10-08 Thread Freeman

On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 08:24:07AM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> On 10/06/2011 06:32 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >All of the off topic crap the last couple of days is making it more
> >difficult to assist those who actually need help with Debian.
> 
> If you are using an MUA that supports threading, then I don't see
> the issue. It's all contained in one thread, and it doesn't prevent
> me from seeing other posts in other threads.
> 
> >Debian is an OS for _mature_ Linux users.  Please act like one and stop
> >this juvenile OT nonsense.
> 
> Following the "Re: Wow, Evolution left me with eggs in my face"
> thread, including all of its off-topic sub-threads, has shown a
> great level of maturity and tact. I see nothing juvenile about the
> thread personally.
> 

Maybe the occasional off topic post should be a reminder to subscribe to

d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org

The official Debian archive of support information would be left cleaner. 
Filtering into separate or joint mailboxes gives sharper organization than
depending on OT in the header.  The varying needs for social environment
would be satisfied along with the need for a positive signal to noise ratio.

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Re: [OT] Re: Please kill the noise

2011-10-08 Thread Terence

On 8 October 2011 20:22, Stan Hoeppner  wrote:
>
> If you all are true believers in off topic posting, as you have so
> vigorously defended, why don't we _all_ commit ourselves to making one
> OT post per day and see where that leads?

Actually I am not one of " true believers in off topic posting",
neither have I "so vigorously defended" it.

Out of the increased volume over the last several weeks, I have had a
great deal of enjoyment and- dare I say it on a apparently would be
totally serious, and solely, and only to the point, one true Debian
list- I have learned a great deal whilst so doing.

Yes, the OT topic wandered: I enjoyed the discussion on English and
it's variations, found the values of units we use so casually
informative, and the discussion of the costs/benefits of AC v. DC
electrical distribution most educational.

What's not to like?

If I do not like a thread, or have no interest in it, I merely delete
it at the same time I delete other lists and other threads. It takes
little or no extra time, and I would be very much surprised that those
who cavil at such threads read all and each message on each "on topic"
thread.

So when they delete the "on topic" messages in which they have no
interest, would it take them much more time to delete the "off topic"
messages at the same time.

Or does it take less time to compose and post a message complaining about them.

As for the merely silly latter suggestion, well, it surely does not
deserve the dignity of a reply.

Terence

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Re: nvidia-problems

On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 15:06:25 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

Hello Camaleón,

> Yeah, but as I don't have such file installed on my system I wanted to 
> know the "exact" source, just to be sure we were reading the same 
> information.

Ah, sorry.  Anyhow, I see from reading the remainder of the thread, that
problem has been overcome.

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Re: OT: Desktop icons - Some blubbering :.(

On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 18:23:06 +0200
Martin Steigerwald  wrote:

Hello Martin,

> So I just tested it - instead of taking Ralfs assumption unproved -,
> it may use Dolphins file/directory view, but you can *still* create as
> many of them as you like, not only two side by side as in Dolphin.

I thought I must have misunderstood Ralf, as I knew Konq still did
multiple windows, unlike Dolphins split/close.

> So I don´t see the point there. Switch Konqueror to file management as 

but that wasn't, and isn't my 'inconvenience'.   My problem isn't a
show stopper anyhow.  Just a "nice to have".

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Re: apt-get update -- invalid since xx xx xx

2011-10-08 Thread Christian Körner

On 08/10/11 20:12, Johan Scheepers wrote:
> Good day,
> 
> Kindly please what does this means. Never got this before..
> 
> apt-get update
> 
> Hit http://debian.mirror.ac.za squeeze Release
> Hit http://debian.mirror.ac.za squeeze-updates Release
> E: Release file expired, ignoring
> http://debian.mirror.ac.za/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid
> since 16h 40min 53s)

Looks like the mirror has a problem as it serves a Release file with an
entry like: Valid-Until: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 02:24:48 UTC


> How can this be corrected please.

You should contact debian-mirr...@lists.debian.org to let them know - if
not done already. For time being you could flip to another mirror.


Also, this question had been posted some time ago ;)
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/11/msg01534.html


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Re: apt-get update -- invalid since xx xx xx

2011-10-08 Thread Frank Steinborn

Johan Scheepers wrote:
> Good day,
> 
> Kindly please what does this means. Never got this before..
> 
> apt-get update
> 
> Hit http://debian.mirror.ac.za squeeze Release
> Hit http://debian.mirror.ac.za squeeze-updates Release
> E: Release file expired, ignoring
> http://debian.mirror.ac.za/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release
> (invalid since 16h 40min 53s)

This means the mirror in question did not update for quite some time.

To be more specific: The Release-File has a 'Valid-Until'-field. If
the date in this field is expired, you get the above warning.

Consider using another mirror or try again later to see if the mirror
has catched up again.

> How can this be corrected please.
> Thanks
> Johan S

Greetings,
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[OT] Yet Another Language Issue (wa: imap with claws mail problem)

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 19:25:03 +0200, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

> On 06/10/11 17:33, Camaleón wrote:
>> OTOH, I dunno how Claws manages this,

> Camaleón, I know English isn't your first language, although you write
> it extremely well. I hope, therefore, that you won't take offence at my
> picking you up on the ghastly contraction "dunno". The correct usage is
> "I don't know".

I didn't know using "dunno" was incorrect, I mean, when using a casual 
language like the one it happens on a mailing list such this :-?

When I'm not sure about a word (which happens more times than I'd like), 
I query several sources, like "Google translate" or the Oxford dictionary 
and in both appears as a proper/valid term:

http://translate.google.com/#en|es|I%20dunno 
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/dunno

But I'm always willing to learn, so may I ask why you find its usage 
ofensive or not appropiate? I'm curious.

(feel free to e-mail me directly to avoid people gets angry for filling 
up the list with more and more Off-Topic questions...)

> I'll probably get mightily flamed for this, but it makes me bristle
> every time I see it!

I will try to get used to a more polite speaking, but I will have to 
discard from my mind all that "AFAIK, IIRC, AFAICT...", which make me 
write a bit faster and do less typos ;-)

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Re: [OT] Re: Please kill the noise

2011-10-08 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 10/8/2011 8:25 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:

> I can honestly say that I've yet to find this a problem - either when
> googling or going through list archives.  Searches ALWAYS find lots of
> extraneous material and have to be narrowed down.  When looking for
> technical information, things get very specific very quickly, which
> tends to filter out off topic discussions very quickly.

This is not my experience, and likely the same for others.  Most off
topic noise is injected into legitimate threads as "conversation drift".
 Most off topic content isn't contained within posts that begin with an
[OT] tag because most people aren't that considerate of others.  I'm not
talking about this list specifically, but all lists.

For instance, you search and Google hits on the first post in a relevant
thread.  You read the first few posts and don't have the answer yet.
Then the next 20 posts contain mostly off topic drift peppered with some
on topic information.  Finally toward the last few posts you might find
the actual answer you're looking for as the thread comes back on topic.

Maybe my experience here is different than others because I'm usually
searching for things that are very new or simply obscure, and again, not
necessarily specific to Debian.

If you all are true believers in off topic posting, as you have so
vigorously defended, why don't we _all_ commit ourselves to making one
OT post per day and see where that leads?

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apt-get update -- invalid since xx xx xx

2011-10-08 Thread Johan Scheepers


Good day,

Kindly please what does this means. Never got this before..

apt-get update

Hit http://debian.mirror.ac.za squeeze Release
Hit http://debian.mirror.ac.za squeeze-updates Release
E: Release file expired, ignoring 
http://debian.mirror.ac.za/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/Release (invalid 
since 16h 40min 53s)


How can this be corrected please.
Thanks
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Re: LXDE Menu editing

2011-10-08 Thread Blair Mason

Oct 8, 2011 11:52:04 AM, richard.b...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm trying out LXDE, much less system load, very noticeable .
> Is there a menu editor similar to gnome alcatel, I'd like to customise the 
> "other" menu section.


You can try lxmed : http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxmed/

Alternately, there's always editing the *.desktop files.

EDIT:  Accidentally replied off-list.

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Re: imap with claws mail problem

2011-10-08 Thread Tony van der Hoff


On 06/10/11 17:33, Camaleón wrote:

OTOH, I dunno how Claws manages this,
Camaleón, I know English isn't your first language, although you write 
it extremely well. I hope, therefore, that you won't take offence at my 
picking you up on the ghastly contraction "dunno". The correct usage is 
"I don't know".


I'll probably get mightily flamed for this, but it makes me bristle 
every time I see it!


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Re: IP address depending on the MAC

2011-10-08 Thread Tony van der Hoff


On 06/10/11 20:30, Ireneusz Szcześniak wrote:


Student bring their laptops and get the ethernet cable from the lab
computers. They do it frantically a few times, and the desktop interface
gets this address.


Personally, I would set up a wireless interface for student's laptops.

Then, LART any student who takes it upon herself to disconnect a lab 
computer.



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Re: Install kde-desktop on existing debian install

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:20:28 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:

> Camaleón  writes:
> 
>> Please, people... when you cite any document/source that you've found
>> on Internet also put the link you are referring to, so we can check ;-)
> 
> I did intend to include that but forgot it in the end.
> 
> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html
> 
> Note is says but kde3 but its really up to 4.4 on the page cited.
> 
> I found better advice here:
> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html

*Much* better, of course :-)

> But so far having a poor experience with KDE.  When I get logged in
> there are no menus/panels or anything other than a black screen.

(...)

Then kindly open a new thread for each problem you are facing (to avoid 
mixing up things in just one big and unmanageable thread) and please 
explain what steps did you follow, what packages got installed, what 
Debian version are you running, etc... so someone can provide any tips 
for this (if you still want to solve all these problems).

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Re: Filesystem fdisk and mount disagree

2011-10-08 Thread Dom


On 08/10/11 14:57, Mark Neidorff wrote:

I'm not sure if everything is OK, or if I have to redo what I did.

For backup I purchased a USB 3, 1.5 TB external drive.  (Using it USB 2 mode)
The drive came formatted NTFS.  Not wanting to hassle with that, I reformatted
it as EXT4.  That went fine, or so it seems.

Now when I run fdisk, the partition still shows up as NTFS.
Command (m for help): p

Disk /dev/sdb: 1500.3 GB, 1500301910016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 182401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x3e12cce7

Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   1  182401  14651360017  HPFS/NTFS

...but mount shows an ext4 filesystem:

root@Mark:/tmp# mount
/dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime)

/dev/sdb1 on /media/339ca221-4ec1-45c2-9969-af0d8b5ffb0b type ext4
(rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)

Soshould I fdisk the drive, delete what appears to fdisk to be an NTFS
partition, create an ext4 and reformat it?  (I'm guessing that this is why I'm
getting errors from my backup program)


Did you use fdisk (or similar) to change the partition type before 
reformatting? I'm guessing not.


The partition type values that fdisk sees are the one set by fdisk or 
another partitioning tool. The actual filesystem details depend on what 
you formatted it as. The two don't have to agree, but it's a good idea 
to keep them in sync.


Use fdisk and change the partition type. No need to delete/recreate the 
partition, or reformat it.


You don't say what errors you are getting from your backup program. 
Could you enlighten us please? Give examples of the errors and the name 
of the program you are using.


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Re: Filesystem fdisk and mount disagree

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 09:57:38 -0400, Mark Neidorff wrote:

> I'm not sure if everything is OK, or if I have to redo what I did.
> 
> For backup I purchased a USB 3, 1.5 TB external drive.  (Using it USB 2
> mode) The drive came formatted NTFS.  Not wanting to hassle with that, I
> reformatted it as EXT4.  That went fine, or so it seems.

What toolset did you use to create the partition and formatting the unit?

> Now when I run fdisk, the partition still shows up as NTFS. Command (m
> for help): p
> 
> Disk /dev/sdb: 1500.3 GB, 1500301910016 bytes 255 heads, 63
> sectors/track, 182401 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 =
> 8225280 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O
> size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier:
> 0x3e12cce7
> 
>Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sdb1   1  182401  14651360017  HPFS/NTFS
> 
> ...but mount shows an ext4 filesystem:
> 
> root@Mark:/tmp# mount
> /dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime) 
> /dev/sdb1 on /media/339ca221-4ec1-45c2-9969-af0d8b5ffb0b type ext4
> (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)

Weird, indeed. 

What does gparted/cfdisk say? Just to have another opinion ;-)

> Soshould I fdisk the drive, delete what appears to fdisk to be an
> NTFS partition, create an ext4 and reformat it?  (I'm guessing that this
> is why I'm getting errors from my backup program)

"fdisk" (as its own man page states) is not the recommended tool for 
making partitions, but parted or cfdisk, I would try with any of those.

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Re: Install kde-desktop on existing debian install

Camaleón  writes:

> Please, people... when you cite any document/source that you've found on 
> Internet also put the link you are referring to, so we can check ;-)

I did intend to include that but forgot it in the end.

http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html

Note is says but kde3 but its really up to 4.4 on the page cited.

I found better advice here:
http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html

But so far having a poor experience with KDE.  When I get logged in
there are no menus/panels or anything other than a black screen.

I got an xterm running because I had some key combos using xbindkeys.

Anything I start slams up into the top right corner.  The title bar is
just out of reach so it cannot be moved.  If I open something else,
then it slams into the right corner.

When I did aptitude install kde-full there were dozens of pkgs
installed and maybe 12-20 removed.  Installs came to over 100 and yet
with all that muck installed KDE will not start and run normally.  

So I'm back in fluxbox wondering what to do about it all.  I didn't
really want to tackle a whole lot of huffing and puffing.  Someone
told me you could zoom into your screen and there by end up with a
large pannable space to work in.  

So far its just a silly non-working mess.  I'm now wondering how to
get rid of all the useless junk that got installed.

None of it will be usable on a desktop that piles everything in the top
left corner and renders it non-movable... means you can only see one
app at a time

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Re: How to undo updates....

2011-10-08 Thread Walter Hurry

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:58:29 -0400, Mark Neidorff wrote:

> On Saturday 08 October 2011 11:12:44 am m...@neidorff.com wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This morning synaptic reported some 32 packages to update.  So I
>> updated the packages.  After the update I can no longer login (KDE) as
>> myself.  I can login as myself in a terminal login.  I can also login
>> as root under KDE (I understand the dangers).
>> 
>> Now I would like to undo the changes that were made by synaptic so that
>> I can get back to a fully usable system.  How do I find the changed
>> packages and undo the changes?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Mark
> 
> It is a permission problem.
> 
> #chmod 777 /var/tmp
> 
> solves the problem.  (whew!)

Wrong. The sticky bit should be set.

> (and, yes it was very important!)

Only to you. Please don't do that - it is considered discourteous.



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[SOLVED] [VERY IMPORTANT] How to undo updates....

2011-10-08 Thread Mark Neidorff

On Saturday 08 October 2011 11:12:44 am m...@neidorff.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This morning synaptic reported some 32 packages to update.  So I updated
> the packages.  After the update I can no longer login (KDE) as myself.  I
> can login as myself in a terminal login.  I can also login as root under
> KDE (I understand the dangers).
> 
> Now I would like to undo the changes that were made by synaptic so that I
> can get back to a fully usable system.  How do I find the changed packages
> and undo the changes?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark

It is a permission problem.

#chmod 777 /var/tmp

solves the problem.  (whew!)

Mark

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Filesystem fdisk and mount disagree

2011-10-08 Thread Mark Neidorff

I'm not sure if everything is OK, or if I have to redo what I did.

For backup I purchased a USB 3, 1.5 TB external drive.  (Using it USB 2 mode)
The drive came formatted NTFS.  Not wanting to hassle with that, I reformatted 
it as EXT4.  That went fine, or so it seems.

Now when I run fdisk, the partition still shows up as NTFS.
Command (m for help): p

Disk /dev/sdb: 1500.3 GB, 1500301910016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 182401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x3e12cce7

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   1  182401  14651360017  HPFS/NTFS

...but mount shows an ext4 filesystem:

root@Mark:/tmp# mount
/dev/sda2 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime)

/dev/sdb1 on /media/339ca221-4ec1-45c2-9969-af0d8b5ffb0b type ext4 
(rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)

Soshould I fdisk the drive, delete what appears to fdisk to be an NTFS 
partition, create an ext4 and reformat it?  (I'm guessing that this is why I'm 
getting errors from my backup program)

Thanks,

Mark


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Re: Kernel upgraded two or three times since install

2011-10-08 Thread Stephen Powell

On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:36:24 -0400 (EDT), Mark Panen wrote:
> 
> I noticed my kernel has been upgraded two or three times but i am still 
> sitting on the original:
> 
> "uname -r
> 2.6.32-5-amd64"
> 
> AFAIK
> 
> Is this right?

Yes.  One needs to distinguish the kernel version from the package
version.  When running the stable release (Squeeze right now), the
kernel version will normally not change.  But the package version
will change with an update.  To see the package version, enter the
command

   dpkg-query -l linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64|grep ii

This will display the package version, which right now is
2.6.32-35squeeze2.  This changes with each update.
>  
> linux-headers are kernel updates right?

No.  linux-headers-* packages are not kernel image packages, they
are kernel headers packages.  Kernel headers packages are a portion
of the kernel source code.  They are data declarations needed to
compile out-of-kernel-source-tree kernel module source packages
when the kernel source code is not installed.

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LXDE Menu editing

Hi,
I'm trying out LXDE, much less system load, very noticeable .
Is there a menu editor similar to gnome alcatel, I'd like to customise the 
"other" menu section.
TIA

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Re: [OT] Re: Please kill the noise

2011-10-08 Thread Stephen Powell

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 02:01:40 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> 
> I've been trying like h3ll to avoid another response to this for obvious
> reasons.
> ...

I have too.  But it appears that I need to speak up on list.
(I've previously apologized to Stan off list.)  I hereby offer
my most humble apologies to those on this list who have been
annoyed by the unusually high volume of off-topic posts over
the last several days.  I am the one who started the original
off-topic thread of "British vs. American English", and I very
much regret doing so.  Had I anticipated the huge volume of
off-topic posts which would ensue, I would never have posted
in the first place.  I hope I have learned my lesson.  I will
think long and hard before making another off-topic post.

Now please, gentlemen, let's cease this rancor.  If you feel
you must attack someone, attack me.  I started this.  It's my
fault.  I value the contributions of all on this list, whether
they agree with me or not.  In fact, I have learned a great deal
from those with whom I do not agree.  Sometimes, they have even
caused me to re-evaluate my position.  Now, I appeal to you all,
let's get back to the business of helping each other instead
of attacking each other.  Peace, my friends.  Peace.

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Re: Install kde-desktop on existing debian install

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 11:13:18 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:

> Looking at what is listed like this in google: How to install KDE on
> Debian - The Debian KDE maintainers website
> 
> I find this apparently out of date information:
> 
> install KDE on your existing Debian system
> 
> If you already have Debian Lenny installed and you want a complete KDE
> desktop, install the "kde-desktop" task:
> 
> aptitude install kde-desktop

Please, people... when you cite any document/source that you've found on 
Internet also put the link you are referring to, so we can check ;-)

> But of course there some 62 pkgs with that in there name.  

That will depend on what is your current system (stable, testing, 
oldstable...) and what KDE version you want to install, but I would start 
by reading here:

***
5. How do I install KDE?
http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/faq.html
***

> Further none of them appear to be English or en, so how does an English
> speaker install a kde-desktop?

AFAICT, the default desktop pattern is US English, you will only need the 
corresponding "kde-l10n-XX" language packages to get additional 
localizations.

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Re: Install kde-desktop on existing debian install

2011-10-08 Thread Weaver

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 11:13:18 -0500
Harry Putnam  wrote:

> Looking at what is listed like this in google:
> How to install KDE on Debian - The Debian KDE maintainers website
> 
> I find this apparently out of date information:
> 
> install KDE on your existing Debian system
> 
> If you already have Debian Lenny installed and you want a complete KDE
> desktop, install the "kde-desktop" task:

If you open up the aptitude ncurses interface and the the 'not
installed packages' option, the first category you will see is 'tasks'.
If you arrow down you will come across what you are looking for.
Regards,

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Re: OT: Desktop icons - Some blubbering :.(

2011-10-08 Thread Martin Steigerwald

Am Samstag, 8. Oktober 2011 schrieb Scott Ferguson:
> Fortunately Lenny is still available - for some purposes I still use
> it. I doubt all support for it will end any time soon (hopefully). The
> beauty of Debian - we get a lot of choices.

One year after the release of Squeeze - if the security team uses the 
usual times. So thats not too far off.

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Re: OT: Desktop icons - Some blubbering :.(

2011-10-08 Thread Martin Steigerwald

Am Samstag, 8. Oktober 2011 schrieb Brad Rogers:
> On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 00:03:11 +0200
> Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> 
> Hello Martin,
> 
> > That might have to do with the fact that Konqueror AFAIR now also
> > uses the Dolphin engine for displaying file / directory lists
> 
> Obviously.  Definitely a backward step.

So I just tested it - instead of taking Ralfs assumption unproved -, it 
may use Dolphins file/directory view, but you can *still* create as many of 
them as you like, not only two side by side as in Dolphin.

So I don´t see the point there. Switch Konqueror to file management as 
Scott said and it seems to work (almost) like in good old times. There 
might be some integration glitches here and there, but should you observe 
some best would be to file a bug report with bugs.kde.org if not already 
done.

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Re: synaptic toolbar search window

On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 15:15:54 +0100
"Ad L."  wrote:

> You will need the "apt-xapian-index" package for that functionality,
> available at Squeeze i386 DVD 1, so probably also in the main
> repository and it's mirrors.
> 
> It is a package recommended by synaptic. Did have the same thing you
> describe with the new installation, but didn't bother until a minute
> ago. The search index is being built now. Did you remove that package
> or simply not include it? Also, check if you have the automatic
> installation of recommended packages enabled or not. This is one of
> it's effects. Good for a minimal setup or a setup over which you want
> to have more control (and more chance on missing functionality).
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ad
> 
> 

Thanks Ad that explains it well, 


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Re: Re: HD Data Recovery

2011-10-08 Thread Ad L.

Silently seconded. But I guess it's human nature to simply not listen
until it turns out that was a wrong choice. And plenty never learn
afterwards either.

Anyway, on topic:

Most tools allow you to tell the Linux kernel the amount of sectors,
heads and cylinders the disk has. It should simply be on the label,
and some additional information, such as the use of LBA48, which is
the case for most newer disks.

If you're too lazy to find a proper backup program etc., put down some
more money and buy the new harddisk... twice!
Attach them on 2 separate channels (would be appropriate in the case
of IDE disks) and you'll have an increased reading speed in the
meanwhile.
Then use Linux' software RAID capabilities to use partitions on both
disks as a RAID1 array. You may have to use expert install for that.
If one disk fail in the future, you still have the other one. Using
mdadm you can replace the failed one with a new device.
Possible partition setup (equal on both disks):
Primary #1: Normal Partition, e.g. ext3, mounted as /boot (just feels
safe in case of older boot managers that don't support sRAID)
Primary #2: Linux swap (Note: swap on both disks means a swap area of
DOUBLE the size of this partition, so 512MB-1GB should be great)
Primary #3: The rest of the space, mounted as / (will be /dev/md0)
-OR- ~20-60GBytes
Primary #4: None -OR- the rest of the space, mounted as /home (will be
/dev/md1), so you can re-install the OS without touching your own
files

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Re: Install kde-desktop on existing debian install

Harry Putnam  writes:

[...]

> aptitude install kde-desktop
>
> But of course there some 62 pkgs with that in there name.  Further
> none of them appear to be English or en, so how does an English
> speaker install a kde-desktop?

Never mind I was on the kde 4.4 page I found out about kde 4.6 where
I'm told to install kde-full if I want it all, and goes and tells how
to start small and build up too.

http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html


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Install kde-desktop on existing debian install

Looking at what is listed like this in google:
How to install KDE on Debian - The Debian KDE maintainers website

I find this apparently out of date information:

install KDE on your existing Debian system

If you already have Debian Lenny installed and you want a complete KDE
desktop, install the "kde-desktop" task:

aptitude install kde-desktop

But of course there some 62 pkgs with that in there name.  Further
none of them appear to be English or en, so how does an English
speaker install a kde-desktop?


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Re: Legacy nvidia driver fails to compile with kernel 3.0.x (was: nvidia-problems)

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 17:41:56 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

>> It seems that's something already known...
>> 
>> http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=206412
>> 
>> And:
>> 
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/576648
>> 
>> As I said, you can open a bug report (which will help others users
>> facing the same problem) or browse the web for a bypass (which will
>> solve your problem). Or better yet, you can wait a bit until the driver
>> is available in testing ;-):
>> 
>> 
> I think, there is no need to open a bugreport twice. 

Twice? :-)

I saw no bug for Debian.

> At the moment I can use the nouveau driver, acceleration is not
> necessary the next time. When it is known, I suppose, it will be solved
> soon.

The driver seems to be available for sid so I guess soon will reach 
testing.

> It will be also a nice little job for me, to solve the problem on my own
> as it is a good way to study code and to understand. I don't want to be
> a coder, as it is not my passion, but I am still interested in learning
> and understanding things. Looking at this problem is a good way, I
> think. And if I do not succeed, no one cares and no one will blame me
> :))

Then go ahead and try to "fool" the installer: if it compiles and works, 
fine; if it fails, you have nothing lose as you can always return back 
to nouveau ;-)

>> http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-173xx
>> 
> 
> So I will take a look for myself and if the problem will be fixed by the
> famous professionels, I will use theire fix.

Is not a fix "per se" but an adaptation to the new kernel.

> Thank you very much for your help!

You're welcome.

> P.S. If I find a solution or a fix, I will send it.

Yes, please, that way your findinds will help another users.

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Re: Legacy nvidia driver fails to compile with kernel 3.0.x (was: nvidia-problems)


> It seems that's something already known...
> 
> http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=206412
> 
> And:
> 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/5766
> 48
> 
> As I said, you can open a bug report (which will help others users facing
> the same problem) or browse the web for a bypass (which will solve your
> problem). Or better yet, you can wait a bit until the driver is available
> in testing ;-):
> 

I think, there is no need to open a bugreport twice. At the moment I can use 
the nouveau driver, acceleration is not necessary the next time. When it is 
known, I suppose, it will be solved soon. 

It will be also a nice little job for me, to solve the problem on my own as it 
is a good way to study code and to understand. I don't want to be a coder, as 
it is not my passion, but I am still interested in learning and understanding 
things. Looking at this problem is a good way, I think. And if I do not 
succeed, no one cares and no one will blame me :))  
> http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-graphics-driv
> ers-legacy-173xx
> 
> Greetings,

So I will take a look for myself and if the problem will be fixed by the famous 
professionels, I will use theire fix.

Thank you very much for your help! 

Cheers

Hans

P.S. If I find a solution or a fix, I will send it.


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Re: [VERY IMPORTANT] How to undo updates....

2011-10-08 Thread Jens Van Broeckhoven

Op Sat, 8 Oct 2011 11:12:44 -0400
m...@neidorff.com schreef:

> Hi,
> 
> This morning synaptic reported some 32 packages to update.  So I
> updated the packages.  After the update I can no longer login (KDE)
> as myself.  I can login as myself in a terminal login.  I can also
> login as root under KDE (I understand the dangers).
> 
> Now I would like to undo the changes that were made by synaptic so
> that I can get back to a fully usable system.  How do I find the
> changed packages and undo the changes?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 

Why is this "Very Important"?

Try starting it (X + KDE) from a shell and see what happens.
Does it work with a new dummy user?
Are you using an xorg.conf file?


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Re: nvidia-problems

2011-10-08 Thread Dom


On 08/10/11 15:53, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:




Okay, let's back then to your very first thread and see what can be done,
taking in mind *your card is FX5700 Ultra* and not a GeForce 7300 GT
Ultra ;-)

Greetings,


I am so ashamed! It is just because on my work I build many used computers
with 7300GT, so this was in my head.

Well, to my problem: The legacy driver cannot be build, as it mourns the wrong
version. Please take a look:


protheus1:/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx# debian/rules binary-
modules
dh_prep
dh_quilt_patch
series-Datei vollständig angewandt, endet in Patch 2.6.36-ioctl.patch
/usr/bin/make LINUXDIR=/usr/src/linux
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx'
make -C /usr/src/linux  M=`/bin/pwd` modules
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.0.0-1-686-pae'
/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx/Makefile:162: *** Only 2.6.x and
later kernels are supported (3.0.0).  Schluss.
make[4]: *** [_module_/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx] Fehler 2
make[3]: *** [sub-make] Fehler 2
make[2]: *** [all] Fehler 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.0.0-1-686-pae'
make[1]: *** [modules] Fehler 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx'
make: *** [build-stamp] Fehler 2
protheus1:/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx#




I took a look in the "Makefile", and suppose, this is the problem:
# Check for kernel versions that we don't support.

BELOW26 := $(shell if [ $(VERSION) -lt 2 -o $(PATCHLEVEL) -lt 6 ]; then \
 echo y; fi)

ifeq ($(BELOW26),y)
$(error Only 2.6.x and later kernels are supported \
 ($(VERSION).$(PATCHLEVEL).$(SUBLEVEL)))
endif

Maybe I could change this for fast testing? Or just commet this check out?
What do you think?


I think you are right. This test looks wrong to me for a 3.x kernel. 
Just comment it out for now.


It's failing because the PATCHLEVEL is 0 on 3.0. It should really be 
checking "if [ $(VERSION) -lt 2 -o ( $(VERSION) = 2 -a  $(PATCHLEVEL) 
-lt 6 ) ]", although I'm unsure of the exact syntax.


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Re: [VERY IMPORTANT] How to undo updates....

Am Samstag, 8. Oktober 2011 schrieb m...@neidorff.com:
> Hi,
> 
> This morning synaptic reported some 32 packages to update.  So I updated
> the packages.  After the update I can no longer login (KDE) as myself.  I
> can login as myself in a terminal login.  I can also login as root under
> KDE (I understand the dangers).
> 
> Now I would like to undo the changes that were made by synaptic so that I
> can get back to a fully usable system.  How do I find the changed packages
> and undo the changes?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
Hi Mark, 

in synaptics you can look into the history. Look at File > History.

Then choose the correct date. There you can see, which packages are updated. I 
suggest, to write down, which packages you want to downgrade, with version 
etc. and then use aptitude to downgrade manually. 

A good idea for the future is, to save the installed package list from time to 
time in a file. When you have a crash,m you can reread this file and revert 
easily back. Synaptic is offering this option.

Also you may try reverting back to a state using synaptic instead of aptitude, 
but I do not know, if this is working.

Hope this helps.

Good luck!

Hans


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Legacy nvidia driver fails to compile with kernel 3.0.x (was: nvidia-problems)

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:53:07 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:


>> Okay, let's back then to your very first thread and see what can be
>> done, taking in mind *your card is FX5700 Ultra* and not a GeForce 7300
>> GT Ultra ;-)
>> 
>> Greetings,
> 
> I am so ashamed! It is just because on my work I build many used
> computers with 7300GT, so this was in my head.

No problem, now back to work :-)

> Well, to my problem: The legacy driver cannot be build, as it mourns the
> wrong version. Please take a look:

(...)

> /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx/Makefile:162: *** Only 2.6.x
> and later kernels are supported (3.0.0). 

(...)

> I took a look in the "Makefile", and suppose, this is the problem: #
> Check for kernel versions that we don't support.
> 
> BELOW26 := $(shell if [ $(VERSION) -lt 2 -o $(PATCHLEVEL) -lt 6 ]; then
> \
> echo y; fi)
> 
> ifeq ($(BELOW26),y)
> $(error Only 2.6.x and later kernels are supported \
> ($(VERSION).$(PATCHLEVEL).$(SUBLEVEL)))
> endif
> 
> Maybe I could change this for fast testing? Or just commet this check
> out? What do you think?

It seems that's something already known...

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=206412

And:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/576648

As I said, you can open a bug report (which will help others users facing
the same problem) or browse the web for a bypass (which will solve your 
problem). Or better yet, you can wait a bit until the driver is available in 
testing ;-):

http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-173xx

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[VERY IMPORTANT] How to undo updates....

2011-10-08 Thread mark

Hi,

This morning synaptic reported some 32 packages to update.  So I updated
the packages.  After the update I can no longer login (KDE) as myself.  I
can login as myself in a terminal login.  I can also login as root under
KDE (I understand the dangers).

Now I would like to undo the changes that were made by synaptic so that I
can get back to a fully usable system.  How do I find the changed packages
and undo the changes?

Thanks,

Mark


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Re: nvidia-problems

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:27:13 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:00:46 + (UTC) Camaleón 
> wrote:
> 
> Hello Camaleón,
> 
>> On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:48:18 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
>> > I found it now:
>> > See /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/NEWS.Debian.gz where you can
> ^^
>> Hans, can you please tell us *what file* is that so we can read what it
>> says?
> 
> He said, right up there.

Yeah, but as I don't have such file installed on my system I wanted to 
know the "exact" source, just to be sure we were reading the same 
information.

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Re: nvidia-problems


> 
> Okay, let's back then to your very first thread and see what can be done,
> taking in mind *your card is FX5700 Ultra* and not a GeForce 7300 GT
> Ultra ;-)
> 
> Greetings,

I am so ashamed! It is just because on my work I build many used computers 
with 7300GT, so this was in my head.

Well, to my problem: The legacy driver cannot be build, as it mourns the wrong 
version. Please take a look:


protheus1:/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx# debian/rules binary-
modules
dh_prep
dh_quilt_patch
series-Datei vollständig angewandt, endet in Patch 2.6.36-ioctl.patch
/usr/bin/make LINUXDIR=/usr/src/linux
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx'
make -C /usr/src/linux  M=`/bin/pwd` modules
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.0.0-1-686-pae'
/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx/Makefile:162: *** Only 2.6.x and 
later kernels are supported (3.0.0).  Schluss.
make[4]: *** [_module_/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx] Fehler 2
make[3]: *** [sub-make] Fehler 2
make[2]: *** [all] Fehler 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.0.0-1-686-pae'
make[1]: *** [modules] Fehler 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx'
make: *** [build-stamp] Fehler 2
protheus1:/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx# 


 

I took a look in the "Makefile", and suppose, this is the problem:
# Check for kernel versions that we don't support.

BELOW26 := $(shell if [ $(VERSION) -lt 2 -o $(PATCHLEVEL) -lt 6 ]; then \
echo y; fi)

ifeq ($(BELOW26),y)
$(error Only 2.6.x and later kernels are supported \
($(VERSION).$(PATCHLEVEL).$(SUBLEVEL)))
endif

Maybe I could change this for fast testing? Or just commet this check out?
What do you think?

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Re: nvidia-problems

On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 14:00:46 + (UTC)
Camaleón  wrote:

Hello Camaleón,

> On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:48:18 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> > I found it now:
> > See /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/NEWS.Debian.gz where you can
^^
> Hans, can you please tell us *what file* is that so we can read what
> it says?

He said, right up there.

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Re: OT: Desktop icons - Some blubbering :.(

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 22:21:18 +1100
Scott Ferguson  wrote:

Hello Scott,

> Squeeze systems here - which may account for some differences.

Probably.  IIRC, there are a few subtle differences.

> Same here - as in, if I enable view hidden files, it only displays
> hidden files in that particular directory (see further down about
> applying view changes to all directories), but, regardless (as you've
> pointed out) changing view from, eg. details to icon, removes show
> hidden files (unless saved to profile *and* view changes settings
> applied to all directories). If any of that made sense

Errr, I think so.   :-)


> Sorry - I was going from memory - should be:-
> Konqueror toolbar => Settings => Configure Konqueror... => (in the
> left-hand pane under File Management) General => (in the right-hand
> pane) select "Use Common View properties for all folders".

Ah, yes.  I had already seen that, but wasn't 100% certain that's what
you meant.

> The whole development is less integrated than KDE3. There are other
> factors that are not productive to go into here.

Very sensible.   :-)

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Re: nvidia-problems

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 16:15:55 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

> Am Samstag, 8. Oktober 2011 schrieb Camaleón:

(...)

>> Hans, can you please tell us *what file* is that so we can read what it
>> says?
> 
> Yes, likely! The file I read belonges to the package
> "nvidia-kernel-source", you find it in
> /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source.
> 
> Please allow me to add the related content:
> 
> 
> nvidia-graphics-drivers (177.80-1) unstable; urgency=low
   

But the statement below is for version *177.80*, not 285.xx.

>   LEGACY GPUs: If you have a GeForce FX (any model), GeForce PCX (any
>   model), Quadro FX
>   330/500/600/700/Go700/1000/Go1000/1100/1300/2000/3000, Quadro NVS 280
>   PCI, Quadro NVS 280 PCI-E, i.e., any GPU based on the
>   NV30/NV31/NV34/NV35/NV36/NV37/NV38 chips or a variant thereof, DO NOT
>   INSTALL THIS RELEASE!!!  Use the nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx,
>   nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx-dev, nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source
>   packages instead.
> 
>  And additionally my output of lspci:
> 
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36.1 [GeForce FX
> 5700 Ultra] (rev a1)
> 
> It is NV36.1, and (moah, shame on me!!!) , I just see, it is not GF7300,
> but GF 5700!!!

Oh, man! That's explains all this mess.

Then yes, sadly the last driver that supports you card is "173.1431"

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us

>> Your card is not "legacy", nvidia legacy cards are those of < GeForce
>> 6xxx series :-)
>> 
>> 
> and it is legacy, sigh! So I really need the legacy drivers, which
> cannot be build as I described in my very first post.

Okay, let's back then to your very first thread and see what can be done, 
taking in mind *your card is FX5700 Ultra* and not a GeForce 7300 GT 
Ultra ;-)

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Re: emacs mystery

2011-10-08 Thread Memnon Anon

Marc Auslander  writes:

> After upgrade to squeeze, I have the following emacs curiosity.
>
> I bind C-xC-c to:
>
> (defun ctrlxctrlc () "Careful exit from emacs"
>   (interactive)
>   (if (y-or-n-p "Do you really want to exit emacs? ")
>(save-buffers-kill-emacs)
> (message "")
> ))

FWIW, 

I have 

--8<---cut here---start->8---
(global-set-key "\C-x\C-c" 
'(lambda () 
   (interactive)
   (if (y-or-n-p-with-timeout "Do you want to KILL? " 5 nil)
   (save-buffers-kill-emacs
--8<---cut here---end--->8---


> Under squeeze, for all three versions of emacs (21, 22,23) if I do
> C-xC-c and then respond y to the prompt, emacs closes and a y is sent
> to the xterm that launched emacs!

... and don't see this behaviour with 

  GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.6) of 2011-09-09
  on spike.0x539.de, modified by Debian

on Debian testing.

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Re: nvidia-problems

Am Samstag, 8. Oktober 2011 schrieb Camaleón:
> On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:48:18 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> > Me again.
> 
> Good, but better keep all the postings in the same thread or at least
> change the subject ;-)
> 

Sorry, my fault. Accidently deleted the last mail. So the subject was gone.

> > I found it now: See /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/NEWS.Debian.gz
> > where you can read, that legacy cards are no more supported since
> > version 177.80-1. I excamined the further changelog, so it looks like I
> > still have to use legacy drivers - despite what Nvidias tells. So, am I
> > wrong or are they?
> 
> Hans, can you please tell us *what file* is that so we can read what it
> says?

Yes, likely! The file I read belonges to the package "nvidia-kernel-source", 
you find it in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source.

Please allow me to add the related content:

nvidia-graphics-drivers (177.80-1) unstable; urgency=low

  LEGACY GPUs: If you have a GeForce FX (any model), GeForce PCX (any model),
  Quadro FX 330/500/600/700/Go700/1000/Go1000/1100/1300/2000/3000,
  Quadro NVS 280 PCI, Quadro NVS 280 PCI-E, i.e., any GPU based on the
  NV30/NV31/NV34/NV35/NV36/NV37/NV38 chips or a variant thereof,
  DO NOT INSTALL THIS RELEASE!!!  Use the nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx,
  nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx-dev, nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx-source packages
  instead.

 And additionally my output of lspci:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV36.1 [GeForce FX 5700 
Ultra] (rev a1)

It is NV36.1, and (moah, shame on me!!!) , I just see, it is not GF7300, but 
GF 5700!!! 

> 
> > Now I am really confused!
> 

I AM confused!

> So it seems!
> 
> Your card is not "legacy", nvidia legacy cards are those of < GeForce
> 6xxx series :-)
> 

and it is legacy, sigh! So I really need the legacy drivers, which cannot 
be build as I described in my very first post.

> Greetings,

With great shame

Hans 

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Re: Error when loading nvidia module (was: nvidia-driver - some problems)

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:51:30 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

>> I dunno how nor what "dkms" does but I would first check for the
>> basics, for instance, is nouveau module unloaded? Have you restared the
>> computer (or at least the X server) after installing -and setting as
>> default- the nvidia driver?
> 
> DKMS is just building and installing the modulel. However, I also tried
> the long way: m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source and installing by hand. :)
> 
> Nouveau is unloaded. Additionally it is blacklisted.
> 
> Restarting the computer did not help, too.
> 
> I set the nvidia driver as default.

Can you upload the full Xorg log somewhere? (i.e., www.pastebin.com)

Also, consider in opening a bug report for this.

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Re: Permission Problem with xsane - more

2011-10-08 Thread Thomas H. George

On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 12:09:51PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 08/10/11 01:31, Thomas H. George wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 07, 2011 at 10:37:04AM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> >> On 06/10/11 01:38, Thomas H. George wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 08:57:59AM -0400, Alan Greenberger wrote:
>  On 2011-10-03, Thomas H. George  wrote:
>   (...)
>  Tell us your scanner model? :-)
> 
> >>> Epson Perfection 2400 Photo
> >>
> >>
>   (...)
> > Just found the following:
> >
> >
> > Script started on Mon 03 Oct 2011 03:38:15 PM EDT
> > tom@dragon:~$ lsusb -s 001:005
> > Bus 001 Device 005: ID 04b8:011b Seiko Epson Corp. Perfection 2400 Photo
> > tom@dragon:~$ scanimage -L
> > device `epson2:libusb:001:005' is a Epson GT-9300 flatbed scanner
> > device `epson:libusb:001:005' is a Epson GT-9300 flatbed scanner
> >>
> >> Alan's post has broken the thread - but in a previous post I mentioned
> >> that "The problem seems to be that *both* epson and epson2 backends are
> >> being called"
> >>
> >> 
>  $ grep epson /etc/sane.d/dll.conf
> >>> epson
> >>> epson2
> >>
> >> This is where epson *and* epson2 are *both* being called.
> >> Comment one of them out.
> >> The default on Squeeze is for *only* the epson2 backend to be active.
> >>
> > I did comment out epson in dll.conf.  This did not solve the problem.
> >> What was the result of trying the suggested scanimage commands? (in the
> >> post you didn't respond to)
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> > I did respond to Alan's post repeating all his commands and finding no
> > difference in the file permissions.  I don't know why that response
> > didn't appear in this thread.
> 
> It may have, and I may have missed it.
> I still can't find your answer to the outcome of running:-
> $ scanimage -d epson2:libusb:001:005
> and
> $ scanimage -d epson:libusb:001:005

These commands respond "output is not a file, exiting"

To add to the confusion xcanimage now works from a command line, no more
segfault.  I have changed nothing since installing iscan.  My best guess
is that commenting out epson in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf may have solved the
problem but only took effect after the system was rebooted.

> 
> > 
> > Tom
> >> -- 
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Re: re: nvidia-problems

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:48:18 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

> Me again.

Good, but better keep all the postings in the same thread or at least 
change the subject ;-)
 
> I found it now: See /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/NEWS.Debian.gz
> where you can read, that legacy cards are no more supported since
> version 177.80-1. I excamined the further changelog, so it looks like I
> still have to use legacy drivers - despite what Nvidias tells. So, am I
> wrong or are they?

Hans, can you please tell us *what file* is that so we can read what it 
says?

> Now I am really confused!

So it seems! 

Your card is not "legacy", nvidia legacy cards are those of < GeForce 
6xxx series :-)

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Re: Error when loading nvidia module (was: nvidia-driver - some problems)


> I dunno how nor what "dkms" does but I would first check for the basics,
> for instance, is nouveau module unloaded? Have you restared the computer
> (or at least the X server) after installing -and setting as default- the
> nvidia driver?

DKMS is just building and installing the modulel. However, I also tried the 
long way: m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source and installing by hand. :)

Nouveau is unloaded. Additionally it is blacklisted.

Restarting the computer did not help, too.

I set the nvidia driver as default.

> 
> Greetings,

Greetz


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re: nvidia-problems

Me again. 

I found it now: See /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/NEWS.Debian.gz where 
you can read, that legacy cards are no more supported since version 177.80-1. 
I excamined the further changelog, so it looks like I still have to use legacy 
drivers - despite what Nvidias tells. So, am I wrong or are they? 

Now I am really confused!

Hans


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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:29:06 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

>> Well, AFAIK nvidia never stopped supporting their old cards. I know ATI
>> did (I mean, the closed source driver), but that's another story...
>> 
>  No, they did indeed! It is now a long time, older cards (below 8XXX)
>  were nor
> supported nby the nvidia-glx driver. So the kernel module could not be
> loaded.

I have absolutely no constance about that, are you completely sure about 
it? :-?
 
>> Besides, you can see your card listed at "nvidia-glx¹" package ("/usr/
>> share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz", Appendix A.) and that's why I
>> asked what problem where you facing with this specific driver version.
> 
> Yes, it is listed, of course, but it mioght be an old documnetation that
> Nvidia did not update. Dunno...

I don't think so... Debian nvidia driver is based on nvidia upstream 
driver so they have to share the same level support for the listed cards.
 
> In the meantime I tested the new driver: It does still not load. See my
> mail with the strace output please.

Yes, I already replied to that thread. But I have no previous experience 
with dkms, I always install the required packages manually.

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Error when loading nvidia module (was: nvidia-driver - some problems)

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:10:36 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

> Me again!

:-)

(let me change the subject for this thread to avoid mixing with the other 
one)
 
> Now I went back to the latest nvidia driver. Building went fine (I am
> using dkms), but it inhibits to load.
> 
> See the last strace output from "strace modprobe nvidia":

(...)

> write(2, "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/"..., 100FATAL: Error
> inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/3.0.0-1-686-pae/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko):
> No such device ) = 100

Okay, so this is the error you said before, right?

I assume that you have followed this steps:

http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Use_DKMS

I dunno how nor what "dkms" does but I would first check for the basics, 
for instance, is nouveau module unloaded? Have you restared the computer 
(or at least the X server) after installing -and setting as default- the 
nvidia driver?

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Hi,

yesterday before I screwed things up big time synaptic had a window on the 
toolbar
which you could type in the name of the package you were looking for.
I can't see any options for it in the pulldown menus, is it an add on ?
the version I'm using is o.75.3.

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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems


> Well, AFAIK nvidia never stopped supporting their old cards. I know ATI
> did (I mean, the closed source driver), but that's another story...
> 
 No, they did indeed! It is now a long time, older cards (below 8XXX) were nor 
supported nby the nvidia-glx driver. So the kernel module could not be loaded.

> Besides, you can see your card listed at "nvidia-glx¹" package ("/usr/
> share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz", Appendix A.) and that's why I asked
> what problem where you facing with this specific driver version.

Yes, it is listed, of course, but it mioght be an old documnetation that 
Nvidia did not update. Dunno...
> 
> ¹http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/nvidia-glx
> 
> Greetings,

In the meantime I tested the new driver: It does still not load. See my mail 
with the strace output please.

Greetings

Hans


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Re: [OT] Re: Please kill the noise

2011-10-08 Thread Miles Fidelman


Stan Hoeppner wrote:

On 10/7/2011 7:58 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:


I've been trying like h3ll to avoid another response to this for obvious
reasons.

Me too. But...


But a point needs to be raised that everyone should read and
comprehend.


OT messages get archived with the rest.  Depending on the search text,
it's likely one will get hits to these OT threads.  Do I need to
elaborate on what a time waster this can be?


I can honestly say that I've yet to find this a problem - either when 
googling or going through list archives.  Searches ALWAYS find lots of 
extraneous material and have to be narrowed down.  When looking for 
technical information, things get very specific very quickly, which 
tends to filter out off topic discussions very quickly.  Just try 
googling debian + or debian +message> --- assuming that you plug something specific into that search, 
you're not going to find any of the recent off-topic discussions, or 
this message (I realized as I was typing that using plugging in a 
specific example WOULD return this message in a search).



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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:16:11 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

> Am Samstag, 8. Oktober 2011 schrieb Camaleón:
>> On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:59:45 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> 
>> I must have missed something, but:
>> 
>> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-285.05.09-driver.html
>> 
>> Isnt' your card listed there ("supported products" tab)? Mine is (7600
>> GS) and also yours (7300 GT) so, what's the problem with this driver?
>> :-??
>> 
> 
> Hmm, Iit looks like I(!) missed something :)) 

I'm very glad to hear that! You made me feel a bit nervous :-}

> Seems like Nvidia is supporting older cards again. This is nice from
> them! So, due to this, I will check it out and try to get the latest
> driver running on my system.

Well, AFAIK nvidia never stopped supporting their old cards. I know ATI 
did (I mean, the closed source driver), but that's another story...

> If I got it not managed, I might ask again, if you don't mind. I will
> give feedback anyway. Thank you very much for your help so far (also all
> other people!).

Besides, you can see your card listed at "nvidia-glx¹" package ("/usr/
share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz", Appendix A.) and that's why I asked 
what problem where you facing with this specific driver version.

¹http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/nvidia-glx

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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems

Me again!

Now I went back to the latest nvidia driver. Building went fine (I am using 
dkms), but it inhibits to load.

See the last strace output from "strace modprobe nvidia":


stat64("/sys/module", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
stat64("/sys/module/i2c_core", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
open("/sys/module/i2c_core/initstate", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 
0xb789e000
read(3, "live\n", 4096) = 5
close(3)= 0
munmap(0xb789e000, 4096)= 0
stat64("/sys/module", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
stat64("/sys/module/nvidia", 0xbfe98a8c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or 
directory)
open("/lib/modules/3.0.0-1-686-pae/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=12149068, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 12149068, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb6b84000
close(3)= 0
init_module(0xb6b84000, 12149068, "NVreg_DeviceFileUID=0 NVreg_Devi"...) = -1 
ENODEV (No such device)
write(2, "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/"..., 100FATAL: Error inserting 
nvidia (/lib/modules/3.0.0-1-686-pae/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko): No such device
) = 100
exit_group(1)   = ?


 snip -

Any hints?

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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems

Am Samstag, 8. Oktober 2011 schrieb Camaleón:
> On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:59:45 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

> I must have missed something, but:
> 
> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-285.05.09-driver.html
> 
> Isnt' your card listed there ("supported products" tab)? Mine is (7600
> GS) and also yours (7300 GT) so, what's the problem with this driver? :-??
> 
> Greetings,

Hmm, Iit looks like I(!) missed something :)) Seems like Nvidia is supporting 
older cards again. This is nice from them! So, due to this, I will check it 
out and try to get the latest driver running on my system. 

If I got it not managed, I might ask again, if you don't mind. I will give 
feedback anyway. Thank you very much for your help so far (also all other 
people!).

Cheers

Hans

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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:59:45 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

>> Nope, that cannot be possible. Can you point me to some oficial
>> document? I'm interested in this because I also have a 7600GS card and
>> wouldn't like to have any problem in the upcoming wheezy.
>> 
> 
> Well, I just do niot find it at the moment, but the drivers from Nvidia
> are supporting graphic chips only at 8000 series or newer. This is now
> for more than a year.

(...)

!?

I must have missed something, but:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-285.05.09-driver.html

Isnt' your card listed there ("supported products" tab)? Mine is (7600 
GS) and also yours (7300 GT) so, what's the problem with this driver? :-??

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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems


> Nope, that cannot be possible. Can you point me to some oficial document?
> I'm interested in this because I also have a 7600GS card and wouldn't
> like to have any problem in the upcoming wheezy.
> 
> Greetings,

Well, I just do niot find it at the moment, but the drivers from Nvidia are 
supporting graphic chips only at 8000 series or newer. This is now for more 
than a year. 

I do not believe, this has changed for now, thisis the reason, why I still use 
the legacy drivers (what debian is suggesting).

Maybe I missed a recent change and those old chips are supported by the latest 
driver again?

Greets

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Re: bug help (Wheezy kernel 3 and alsa problem)

On 08/10/11 21:57, Richard wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:56:10 +1100 Scott Ferguson
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the reply Scott
>> On 08/10/11 20:10, Richard wrote:


>> Of no particular relevance - what kernel is that? (did you build
>> it yourself?).
> 
> No it the real time low latency kernel
> 2.6.33.7-rt29-multimedia-amd64

64Studio I presume (?).
Not pure Debian so there's not a lot of informed help I can provide...



>> 
>> What is your system architecture?
> $ uname -r2.6.33.7-rt29-multimedia-amd64
>> will probably tell me what you need.
>> 
>> Is this a dedicated audio production machine?
> No, but I'm using it for Software defined Radio ,SDR, application 
> feeding quadrature inputs to the sound card, hence the importance of
> having all the sampling rates available
>> Are you running rtirq etc?
>> 
> 
> No I'm not using that.
> 
>> 
> 
> 
>>> So how do I just down load a kernel with the minimum deps to
>>> allow it to function, so I can test and see if the problem occurs
>>> with the alsa packages in their current working state.
>>> 
>>> TIA
>> 

I've made two mistakes below:-
1. the command should have been:-
# apt-get --no-install-recommends install
linux-image-version-whatever_your_architecture

2. I'd mistakenly assumed (and made an ass of you and me) that you were
running Debian you'll need to do:-
$ apt-cache search multimedia-amd64 | grep linux-image
to choose the appropriate image to install.

>> # apt-get --no-install-recommends 
>> linux-image-3.0.0-1-whatever_your_architecture
>> 

NOTE modification to line below

I'd suggest you run this first:- # apt-get -s --no-install-recommends
install kernel-image-you-choose-to-install > /root/kernel-3_upgrade

>> 
>> 
>> That will give you a list of changes for future reference.
> 
> I must have got the syntax wrong as I get :- invalid operation
> linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64

No - I left the "install" parameter out

>> 
>> Ralf Mardorf will surely have an opinion but he won't be back
>> online until later this today (at earliest).
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
> I also need to load the repo which the kernels are in, googling I
> haven't found a comprehensive listing. I'll carry on looking.

For your location it'd be:-
deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/64studio.com/apt/ 64studio main
(for /etc/apt/sources.list)

http://apt.64studio.com/
(for a web browser)

If you're just pulling the kernel from 64studio and the rest from Debian
you could run into problems - possibly best to pull all from one or the
other. 64studio != Debian (it's just built from it).

You may find the audio user lists useful, also:-
http://lists.64studio.com/mailman/listinfo/64studio-users

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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 06:15:56 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> Yes, that's what happened with that 3.0.0 nomenclature. You may not want
> to hear this but the fastest solution is a new card.
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139150 as
> little as US$34.-

Are you saying that we have to buy *an older* card (older than the one we 
have) in order we can use the nvidia driver? Sorry but that does not make 
any sense to me. I'm afraid a full explanation is required :-)

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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems

2011-10-08 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
Hello all, 

I am using debian/testing on my desktop pc. This computer is using a Nvidia 
card 7300 GT ultra. As this is an older card, I got into a little problems. My 
problems:


1. I want to use 3d-accceleration, so I need to use the proprietrary driver 
from Nvidia.


2. This card is not supported by the newest driver, but with nvidia-kernel-
legacy-173xx and nvidia-glx-173xx.

3. I am using kernel 3.0, but the above modules cannot be built, as it says 
"wrong kernel version, only 2.6 is supported".


4. The alternative"nv" cannot be used, due to xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-
core version incompabilities.

5. At the moment I have to use "nouveau" driver, but acceleration is not 
really fast.


This is the situation. So, maybe you have an idea. Possibilities:

1. Maybe change "nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx" so it can be build with the 
latest kernel. If the build is NOT WANTED by the developers, please point me 
to. Otherwise it is a bug and should be fixed.


2. In case the developers decided to use the "nouveau" driver instead of "nv" 
or the legacy driver ONLY for OLDER Nvidia cards, please tell me. Otherwise it 
is a bug, and should be fixed.


3. If the developers decided, NOT to use kernel 3.X.X for older computers, 
please tell me. 

Information: At the moment I MUST use the nouveau driver, when I want to use 
kernel 3.0, with kernel 2.6.39, the nvidia drivers are building fine. 


Thank you very much for reading this and for your help!



Yes, that's what happened with that 3.0.0 nomenclature. You may not want 
to hear this but the fastest solution is a new card.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139150
as little as US$34.-

Hugo












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Re: Point 3 updates

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:42:22 +0200, Mark Panen wrote:

> Will i have to download the point 3 DVD's or will aptitude automatically
> upgrade me to point 3?

If you have an Internet connection and the proper repositories set, there 
is no need to manually download that files, system updaters (apt-get, 
aptitude, synaptic...) will handle it for you.

I would recommend you to subscribe to the "announce" mailing list to get 
in touch with these kind of notices:

http://www.debian.org/News/2011/index.en.html

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Re: OT: Desktop icons - Some blubbering :.(

On 08/10/11 21:25, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:00:01 +1100
> Scott Ferguson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Scott,
> 
>> Which Debian release are you running?
> 
> Testing, so KDE is at 4.6.somethingorother.

Squeeze systems here - which may account for some differences.

>  
>> Perhaps we're talking of slightly different things - default (don't
>> know what KDE3.5x was, don't have Lenny on hand) is to apply setting
>> per directory - that's changeable so that settings are applicable to
>> all directories. And don't forget to save those changes to the profile.
> 
> Yes, I'm aware of that, but that has no bearing on what I am
> experiencing.  In KDE3, those setting weren't transferred across view
> modes;  Icon view settings & list (detail as KDE4 calls it) view
> settings, at least for "show hidden files" weren't inherited one from
> the other.

Same here - as in, if I enable view hidden files, it only displays
hidden files in that particular directory (see further down about
applying view changes to all directories), but, regardless (as you've
pointed out) changing view from, eg. details to icon, removes show
hidden files (unless saved to profile *and* view changes settings
applied to all directories). If any of that made sense

I'll add it to my wish lists. I post them to the developers - sometimes
they listen, some times I just patch it myself. In this case I'm not
sure how hard it is. (kpart is pretty simple and well documented)

> 
>>> I didn't have to keep (de)selecting show hidden files according to 
>>> which view mode I was using.
>> Try the view properties under Toolbar => Configure => General.
> 
> I must have my stupid head on, because I can't find that anywhere.
> Exactly what step are you taking here?

Apply changes to view to all directories, not just the current
directories. Default is to apply changes to current directory only.

Sorry - I was going from memory - should be:-
Konqueror toolbar => Settings => Configure Konqueror... => (in the
left-hand pane under File Management) General => (in the right-hand
pane) select "Use Common View properties for all folders".

> 
>> Kpart is the shared component you're referring to - it's not a
>> "wrapper" for Dolphin. (and it has an annoying habit of highlighting
> 
> Fair enough;  A misunderstanding on my part, and use of poor terminology.
> 
>> is possible (even Trinity's version is not identical).
> 
> Probably not;  A lot of water's passed under the bridge since that time.
>  
>> What is truly lacking is a good, FUD free, guide to tweaking and
>> configuring KDE4, and the main apps. I find the default theme ugly (and
> 
> Indeed.  It took me quite a while (read; months) to figure out that the
> KDE3 style kicker could be had, as you mentioned.  Getting some of the
> info seems to be like pulling hens teeth.

The Debian packaging is a whole lot better than that in it's derivatives
(and some of the other distros). But documentation, even on kde.org,
leaves a lot to be desired. I find the debian-kde list invaluable.

The whole development is less integrated than KDE3. There are other
factors that are not productive to go into here.

> 
>> On the plus side - I've found it's possible to make KDE4 lighter and
>> quicker than KDE3, and the netbook-plasma interface is brilliant for
> 
> I never noticed a slowdown when the change to KDE4 came.  Mind you, my
> machine was struggling to keep up with KDE3 at that point, so I ended up
> building a new one, and installing Debian with KDE4 on that.
> Consequently, I can't compare the two.
> 
> Overall, I'm happy with KDE4.  Once I overcame the culture shock.
> 

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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:05:46 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

>> driver from Nvidia.
>> > 
>> > 2. This card is not supported by the newest driver, but with
>> > nvidia-kernel- legacy-173xx and nvidia-glx-173xx.
>> 
>> (...)
>> 
>> Wait, wait... That's not possible.
>> 
>> Branch "280.xx" should be fine for your card. What problem are you
>> facing with the newer driver in wheezy? :-?
>> 
> 
> 
> well, I tried the latest driver, and I read, it should support GF6000
> and higher. But the kernel-module will not load. It is still telling "no
> device".

Maybe that's another problem you should investigate further (I would 
start by looking at Xorg logs) but the driver version does support you 
card, there is no need to keep the legacy branch nor older drivers :-)
 
> Like it was in the past, when 7000 cards were officially not supported.
>
> Thus I used the legacy drivers.

Nope, that cannot be possible. Can you point me to some oficial document? 
I'm interested in this because I also have a 7600GS card and wouldn't  
like to have any problem in the upcoming wheezy.

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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems

> driver from Nvidia.
> > 
> > 2. This card is not supported by the newest driver, but with
> > nvidia-kernel- legacy-173xx and nvidia-glx-173xx.
> 
> (...)
> 
> Wait, wait... That's not possible.
> 
> Branch "280.xx" should be fine for your card. What problem are you facing
> with the newer driver in wheezy? :-?
> 
> Greetings,

Hi Camaleon,

well, I tried the latest driver, and I read, it should support GF6000 and 
higher. But the kernel-module will not load. It is still telling "no device".

Like it was in the past, when 7000 cards were officially not supported.

Thus I used the legacy drivers.

Greetz

Hans


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Re: Is there any issue with reportbug in unstabl or bugs.debian.org?

On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 22:01:11 +0200, Frank Lanitz wrote:

> Is there any issue known with reportbug in unstable/bugs.debian.org?
> Somehow I don't receive an response with a bug number when submitting a
> bugreport

If you receive no bug number it could be because the report was not 
properly sent. Did you get any error at any stage of the process? Did you 
confirm the existance of the report by manually browsing BTS?

I'd like to see a web based interface for reporting bugs in Debian, while 
I find reporting by e-mail a very nice (must have) option, bugzilla-alike 
based interfaces are also very easy to deal with (for the reporter) and 
plenty of nice features.

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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems

On 08/10/11 21:28, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:
> Hello all, 
> 
> I am using debian/testing on my desktop pc. This computer is using a Nvidia 
> card 7300 GT ultra. As this is an older card, I got into a little problems. 
> My 
> problems:
> 
> 1. I want to use 3d-accceleration, so I need to use the proprietrary driver 
> from Nvidia.
> 
> 2. This card is not supported by the newest driver, but with nvidia-kernel-
> legacy-173xx and nvidia-glx-173xx.

Isn't it supported by 285.0509  (October 5, 2011):-
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-285.05.09-driver.html
Perhaps try that.

> 
> 3. I am using kernel 3.0, but the above modules cannot be built, as it says 
> "wrong kernel version, only 2.6 is supported".


Have you tried editing the build script?

I know there's an xorg incompatability with the legacy driver (hence my
query above - as I suspect you don't need the legacy driver for your card).

People are getting nvidia proprietary drivers to build with linux-kernel-3.0




> Thank you very much for reading this and for your help!
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Hans
> 
> 

Sorry Hans, that's the only suggestion I've got.

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Re: bug help (Wheezy kernel 3 and alsa problem)

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:56:10 +1100
Scott Ferguson  wrote:

Thanks for the reply Scott
> On 08/10/11 20:10, Richard wrote:
> > Hi, I could mark the title with OT , then I may get some help.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Although a subject of linux-kernel-3.0 and alsa might help (many of us
> only download headers).
> 
> > I'm using wheezy with the 2.6.33RT kernel at the moment
> 
> Of no particular relevance - what kernel is that? (did you build it
> yourself?).

No it the real time low latency kernel 2.6.33.7-rt29-multimedia-amd64
> 
> > , I had to reload completly last night as when playing with the Alsa
> > packages I manage to screw the dependency lists, and an apt-get
> > autoremove did just that !
> 
> Unless you had apt-get autoclean enabled, the packages should be still
> sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives.

I got dropped to a terminal and it wasn't accepting anything, my fault I 
screwed it big time.
> 
> > 
> > I've looked at the apt-get man page, and cant see a do it and minimal
> > deps or better nodeps  switch.
> 
> Do you mean "apt-get install something" without pulling in "recommended"??
   Yes, something like rpm -i --nodeps .rpm but the .deb version.
I've been in a rpm environment since kernel 2.0, so on a steep apt learning 
curve.
> 
> > Upgrading the kernel upgrades some of the audio libs and binaries. I 
> > want to try to get to the bottom of this problem with kernel 3 where 
> > the sample rates on sound cards is limited to 41000 and 48000. At
> > the moment my sound card is capable of:-
> > 
> > Name= M Audio Delta 66: ICE1712 multi 
> > (hw:1,0) Host API= ALSA Max inputs = 12, Max 
> > outputs = 10 Default low input latency   =0.012 Default low 
> > output latency  =0.012 Default high input latency  =0.046 
> > Default high output latency =0.046 Default sample rate =
> >  44100.00 Supported standard sample rates for half-duplex 16 bit 12 
> > channel input = 8000.00,  9600.00, 11025.00, 12000.00, 16000.00, 
> > 22050.00, 24000.00, 32000.00, 44100.00, 48000.00, 88200.00, 96000.00 
> > Supported standard sample rates for half-duplex 16 bit 10 channel 
> > output = 8000.00,  9600.00, 11025.00, 12000.00, 16000.00, 22050.00, 
> > 24000.00, 32000.00, 44100.00, 48000.00, 88200.00, 96000.00 Supported
> >  standard sample rates for full-duplex 16 bit 12 channel input, 10 
> > channel output = 8000.00,  9600.00, 11025.00, 12000.00, 16000.00, 
> > 22050.00, 24000.00, 32000.00, 44100.00, 48000.00, 88200.00, 96000.00
> > 
> > Every time kernel 3 is loaded it drops to half duplex and 48000 
> > only.
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure its a bug but I want to be certain whether is a 
> > kernel bug, an Alsa bug or maybe a Udev bug.
> 
> What is your system architecture?
 $ uname -r2.6.33.7-rt29-multimedia-amd64 
> will probably tell me what you need.
> 
> Is this a dedicated audio production machine?
No, but I'm using it for Software defined Radio ,SDR, application
feeding quadrature inputs to the sound card, hence the importance of having all 
the sampling rates
available 
> Are you running rtirq etc?
> 

No I'm not using that.

> 


> > So how do I just down load a kernel with the minimum deps to allow
> > it to function, so I can test and see if the problem occurs with the 
> > alsa packages in their current working state.
> > 
> > TIA
> 
> # apt-get --no-install-recommends
> linux-image-3.0.0-1-whatever_your_architecture
> 
> I'd suggest you run this first:-
> # apt-get -s --no-install-recommends
> linux-image-3.0.0-1-whatever_your_architecture >
> /root/kernel-3.0.0.0-1_upgrade
> 
> That will give you a list of changes for future reference.

I must have got the syntax wrong as I get :-
invalid operation linux-image-3.0.0-1-amd64
> 
> Ralf Mardorf will surely have an opinion but he won't be back online
> until later this today (at earliest).
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
I also need to load the repo which the kernels are in, googling I haven't found 
a comprehensive listing.
I'll carry on looking.

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Re: nvidia-driver - some problems

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:28:13 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I am using debian/testing on my desktop pc. This computer is using a
> Nvidia card 7300 GT ultra. As this is an older card, I got into a little
> problems. My problems:
> 
> 1. I want to use 3d-accceleration, so I need to use the proprietrary
> driver from Nvidia.
> 
> 2. This card is not supported by the newest driver, but with
> nvidia-kernel- legacy-173xx and nvidia-glx-173xx.

(...)

Wait, wait... That's not possible. 

Branch "280.xx" should be fine for your card. What problem are you facing 
with the newer driver in wheezy? :-?

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Re: OT: Desktop icons - Some blubbering :.(

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:00:01 +1100
Scott Ferguson  wrote:

Hello Scott,

> Which Debian release are you running?

Testing, so KDE is at 4.6.somethingorother.

> Perhaps we're talking of slightly different things - default (don't
> know what KDE3.5x was, don't have Lenny on hand) is to apply setting
> per directory - that's changeable so that settings are applicable to
> all directories. And don't forget to save those changes to the profile.

Yes, I'm aware of that, but that has no bearing on what I am
experiencing.  In KDE3, those setting weren't transferred across view
modes;  Icon view settings & list (detail as KDE4 calls it) view
settings, at least for "show hidden files" weren't inherited one from
the other.

> > I didn't have to keep (de)selecting show hidden files according to 
> > which view mode I was using.
> Try the view properties under Toolbar => Configure => General.

I must have my stupid head on, because I can't find that anywhere.
Exactly what step are you taking here?

> Kpart is the shared component you're referring to - it's not a
> "wrapper" for Dolphin. (and it has an annoying habit of highlighting

Fair enough;  A misunderstanding on my part, and use of poor terminology.

> is possible (even Trinity's version is not identical).

Probably not;  A lot of water's passed under the bridge since that time.

> What is truly lacking is a good, FUD free, guide to tweaking and
> configuring KDE4, and the main apps. I find the default theme ugly (and

Indeed.  It took me quite a while (read; months) to figure out that the
KDE3 style kicker could be had, as you mentioned.  Getting some of the
info seems to be like pulling hens teeth.

> On the plus side - I've found it's possible to make KDE4 lighter and
> quicker than KDE3, and the netbook-plasma interface is brilliant for

I never noticed a slowdown when the change to KDE4 came.  Mind you, my
machine was struggling to keep up with KDE3 at that point, so I ended up
building a new one, and installing Debian with KDE4 on that.
Consequently, I can't compare the two.

Overall, I'm happy with KDE4.  Once I overcame the culture shock.

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Re: Kernel upgraded two or three times since install

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:36:24 +0200, Mark Panen wrote:

> I noticed my kernel has been upgraded two or three times but i am still
> sitting on the original:
> 
> "uname -r
> 2.6.32-5-amd64"
> 
> AFAIK
> 
> Is this right? 

Yes, debian stable kernel only gets security fixes updates so AFAIK, the 
branch remains the same (2.6.32).

> linux-headers are kernel updates right?

Nope, they're "kernel headers files" updates :-)

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Re: Console font too wide in Wheezy

On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:17:19 +0200, Peter Brüel wrote:

> On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 11:54 +, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

>> Do you see the same effect in another applications (i.e., LibreOffice
>> Writer)?
> 
> Yes - same effect. Here is a screenshot showing lowriter (LibreOffice),
> xfce4-terminal (2) and xfce4-notes.
> 
> http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/other-apps.php

Well, I meant if both LibreOffice Writer applications (the one from 
Squeeze and the one from Wheezy) show the same behaviour. That is, open 
LO from Squeeze and write a bunch of text and then open LO from wheezy 
and write the same (keeping font face and size also the same, of course) 
and then compare them.

Can you see any difference or the texts look the same?

What I am trying to determine with this test is if the font problem is 
system wide or just affects to the console.

> In lowriter the font is set with the same font Dejavu sans mono 8pt. As
> you can see the 80 char sentences appear less wide in lowriter than the
> other applications. But then sentences are similarly less distant in
> lowriter (compare the sentence distance in lowriter and the terminal to
> the right). The end result is that the fonts are also too wide in
> lowriter :( .

Mmm, lowriter text renders different (less wider) than text on xnotes and 
terminal while paragraphs on xnotes and terminal look like the same.

Anyway, can you try to set the font at 10 pt or higher value? I also see 
a slightly differece when font is set at 8 pt. Maybe the problem is 
reproducible only at small sizes :-?

(...)

> The only thing I've been able too find is this guy's post (Google search
> line 'debian font too wide'):
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636844

Hum... yes, the issue seems to be very similar.

> but it consideres the internals of libfreetype6 and I'm not able too see
> what the conclusion is. But I can't be the only Wheezy user having this
> problem (?). Regards,

In fact there are two open bugs (merged):

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636776
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636844

But it seems the change which leads in having wider fonts was done on 
purpose so is still unclear what it has to be done with that commit. 

If I were you, I would add my self to that bug (636844) and explain your 
situation. The more people complains about the change, the better to get 
it fixed/reverted.

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nvidia-driver - some problems

Hello all, 

I am using debian/testing on my desktop pc. This computer is using a Nvidia 
card 7300 GT ultra. As this is an older card, I got into a little problems. My 
problems:

1. I want to use 3d-accceleration, so I need to use the proprietrary driver 
from Nvidia.

2. This card is not supported by the newest driver, but with nvidia-kernel-
legacy-173xx and nvidia-glx-173xx.

3. I am using kernel 3.0, but the above modules cannot be built, as it says 
"wrong kernel version, only 2.6 is supported".

4. The alternative"nv" cannot be used, due to xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-
core version incompabilities.

5. At the moment I have to use "nouveau" driver, but acceleration is not 
really fast.

This is the situation. So, maybe you have an idea. Possibilities:

1. Maybe change "nvidia-kernel-legacy-173xx" so it can be build with the 
latest kernel. If the build is NOT WANTED by the developers, please point me 
to. Otherwise it is a bug and should be fixed.

2. In case the developers decided to use the "nouveau" driver instead of "nv" 
or the legacy driver ONLY for OLDER Nvidia cards, please tell me. Otherwise it 
is a bug, and should be fixed.

3. If the developers decided, NOT to use kernel 3.X.X for older computers, 
please tell me. 

Information: At the moment I MUST use the nouveau driver, when I want to use 
kernel 3.0, with kernel 2.6.39, the nvidia drivers are building fine. 

Thank you very much for reading this and for your help!

Best regards

Hans


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Re: When was Debian installed

2011-10-08 Thread Ad L.

My simplest bet would be this one:
head /var/log/dpkg.log

One of the very first lines would read:
[date] [time] install base-files  [initialVersion]

I'm not sure if the log ever gets replaced or moved, but my system says that.
Tool used: head (showing the first lines of a file)
Related tool: tail (showing the last/latest lines of a file)


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Re: Kernel upgraded two or three times since install

2011-10-08 Thread owl...@gmail.com

Il giorno 08/ott/2011 04.17, "Scott Ferguson" <
prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> On 08/10/11 12:36, Mark Panen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I noticed my kernel has been upgraded two or three times but i am still
> > sitting on the original:
> >
> > "uname -r
> > 2.6.32-5-amd64"
> >
> > AFAIK
> >
> > Is this right? linux-headers are kernel updates right?
> >
>
>
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all
>
> You are running the current kernel for Squeeze.
>
> linux-image-nn-arch  is the kernel
> linux-headers are, um, headers.
> :-)
>
>
> Cheers
>
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Aptitude show package-name

Re: bug help (Wheezy kernel 3 and alsa problem)

On 08/10/11 20:10, Richard wrote:
> Hi, I could mark the title with OT , then I may get some help.

:-)

Although a subject of linux-kernel-3.0 and alsa might help (many of us
only download headers).

> I'm using wheezy with the 2.6.33RT kernel at the moment

Of no particular relevance - what kernel is that? (did you build it
yourself?).

> , I had to reload completly last night as when playing with the Alsa
> packages I manage to screw the dependency lists, and an apt-get
> autoremove did just that !

Unless you had apt-get autoclean enabled, the packages should be still
sitting in /var/cache/apt/archives.

> 
> I've looked at the apt-get man page, and cant see a do it and minimal
> deps or better nodeps  switch.

Do you mean "apt-get install something" without pulling in "recommended"??

> Upgrading the kernel upgrades some of the audio libs and binaries. I 
> want to try to get to the bottom of this problem with kernel 3 where 
> the sample rates on sound cards is limited to 41000 and 48000. At
> the moment my sound card is capable of:-
> 
> Name= M Audio Delta 66: ICE1712 multi 
> (hw:1,0) Host API= ALSA Max inputs = 12, Max 
> outputs = 10 Default low input latency   =0.012 Default low 
> output latency  =0.012 Default high input latency  =0.046 
> Default high output latency =0.046 Default sample rate =
>  44100.00 Supported standard sample rates for half-duplex 16 bit 12 
> channel input = 8000.00,  9600.00, 11025.00, 12000.00, 16000.00, 
> 22050.00, 24000.00, 32000.00, 44100.00, 48000.00, 88200.00, 96000.00 
> Supported standard sample rates for half-duplex 16 bit 10 channel 
> output = 8000.00,  9600.00, 11025.00, 12000.00, 16000.00, 22050.00, 
> 24000.00, 32000.00, 44100.00, 48000.00, 88200.00, 96000.00 Supported
>  standard sample rates for full-duplex 16 bit 12 channel input, 10 
> channel output = 8000.00,  9600.00, 11025.00, 12000.00, 16000.00, 
> 22050.00, 24000.00, 32000.00, 44100.00, 48000.00, 88200.00, 96000.00
> 
> Every time kernel 3 is loaded it drops to half duplex and 48000 
> only.
> 
> I'm pretty sure its a bug but I want to be certain whether is a 
> kernel bug, an Alsa bug or maybe a Udev bug.

What is your system architecture?
$ uname -r
will probably tell me what you need.

Is this a dedicated audio production machine?
Are you running rtirq etc?
http://www.rncbc.org/drupal/node/333
(thanks RM).


> So how do I just down load a kernel with the minimum deps to allow
> it to function, so I can test and see if the problem occurs with the 
> alsa packages in their current working state.
> 
> TIA

# apt-get --no-install-recommends
linux-image-3.0.0-1-whatever_your_architecture

I'd suggest you run this first:-
# apt-get -s --no-install-recommends
linux-image-3.0.0-1-whatever_your_architecture >
/root/kernel-3.0.0.0-1_upgrade

That will give you a list of changes for future reference.

Ralf Mardorf will surely have an opinion but he won't be back online
until later this today (at earliest).

Cheers


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Re: OT: Desktop icons - Some blubbering :.(

On Sat, 8 Oct 2011 09:20:23 +0100
Lisi  wrote:

Hello Lisi,

> Sorry, Brad.  I ought to read the whole of a thread before replying!

Why?  I don't.   :-)

In any case, you offered a wee bit more info that I did.

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