date:20120204

On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:11:15 +0100
Giraud Jean Louis giraud_jean-lo...@orange.fr wrote:

 Cowon D2

En Gal, ce type d'appareil maintient sa propre base de données
sur les morceaux; donc il-y-a des chances que ce soit la différence
entre DB  réel qui soit à l'origine du PB (ou la façon dont les
fichiers ont été renommés).

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Re: [HS] problème indexation fichiers musicaux après transfert sur balladeur

2012-02-04 Thread Papinux

Le Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:33:24 +0100, Jean-Yves F. Barbier a écrit :

 On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:11:15 +0100
 Giraud Jean Louis giraud_jean-lo...@orange.fr wrote:
 
  Cowon D2
 
 En Gal, ce type d'appareil maintient sa propre base de données
 sur les morceaux; donc il-y-a des chances que ce soit la différence
 entre DB  réel qui soit à l'origine du PB (ou la façon dont les
 fichiers ont été renommés).
 
[...]

Justement, non. le Cowon (j'en possède un) a un avantage énorme car
il se gère comme une clé usb (mass storage). Il n'y a pas de base de
données. Il suffit de copier les fichiers sur le lecteur. Et c'est un
des rares lecteurs numériques qui lit des fichiers .ogg.

A+

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Re: [HS] problème indexation fichiers musicaux après transfert sur balladeur

On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:58:49 +0100
Papinux px+...@papinux.fr wrote:

 
 Justement, non. le Cowon (j'en possède un) a un avantage énorme car
 il se gère comme une clé usb (mass storage). Il n'y a pas de base de
 données. Il suffit de copier les fichiers sur le lecteur. Et c'est un
 des rares lecteurs numériques qui lit des fichiers .ogg.

RTFM

http://anythingbutipod.com/2007/04/cowon-iaudio-d2-review/ indique
clairement que le device doit reconstruire sa propre DB:
I wish ID3 browsing could be disabled altogether so the D2
doesn’t need to rebuild its ID3 database after disconnecting
from a computer in MSC mode. It’s not really a big issue; 
the rebuild takes about 20-30 seconds and a normal bootup 
only takes 2-4 seconds, but I’d still like to have a clean
file/folder-based player without seeing the ID3-browsing
options at all

Ce qui ne résoud en rien le PB de l'OP.

Par contre, il s'agit d'une question récurrente, puisque le
thread suivant propose une solt:
http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=518381

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Re: [HS] problème indexation fichiers musicaux après transfert sur balladeur

2012-02-04 Thread Giraud Jean Louis

Le Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:58:49 +0100,
Papinux px+...@papinux.fr a écrit :

 Le Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:33:24 +0100, Jean-Yves F. Barbier a écrit :
 
  On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:11:15 +0100
  Giraud Jean Louis giraud_jean-lo...@orange.fr wrote:
  
   Cowon D2
  
  En Gal, ce type d'appareil maintient sa propre base de données
  sur les morceaux; donc il-y-a des chances que ce soit la différence
  entre DB  réel qui soit à l'origine du PB (ou la façon dont les
  fichiers ont été renommés).
  
 [...]
 
 Justement, non. le Cowon (j'en possède un) a un avantage énorme car
 il se gère comme une clé usb (mass storage). Il n'y a pas de base de
 données. Il suffit de copier les fichiers sur le lecteur. Et c'est un
 des rares lecteurs numériques qui lit des fichiers .ogg.
comme je me demandais si le problème ne venait pas de la différence
entre DB et réel, j'ai re-rippé certains morceaux mais lorsque je les
transfère j'ai encore le même problème. 
Je commence à me demander si ce n'est pas mon balladeur qui déconne. 

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Re: [HS] problème indexation fichiers musicaux après transfert sur balladeur

2012-02-04 Thread Bernard Schoenacker

Le Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:04:39 +0100,
Giraud Jean Louis giraud_jean-lo...@orange.fr a écrit :

 Le Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:58:49 +0100,
 Papinux px+...@papinux.fr a écrit :
 
  Le Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:33:24 +0100, Jean-Yves F. Barbier a écrit :
  
   On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 15:11:15 +0100
   Giraud Jean Louis giraud_jean-lo...@orange.fr wrote:
   
Cowon D2
   
   En Gal, ce type d'appareil maintient sa propre base de données
   sur les morceaux; donc il-y-a des chances que ce soit la
   différence entre DB  réel qui soit à l'origine du PB (ou la
   façon dont les fichiers ont été renommés).
   
  [...]
  
  Justement, non. le Cowon (j'en possède un) a un avantage énorme car
  il se gère comme une clé usb (mass storage). Il n'y a pas de base de
  données. Il suffit de copier les fichiers sur le lecteur. Et c'est
  un des rares lecteurs numériques qui lit des fichiers .ogg.
 comme je me demandais si le problème ne venait pas de la différence
 entre DB et réel, j'ai re-rippé certains morceaux mais lorsque je les
 transfère j'ai encore le même problème. 
 Je commence à me demander si ce n'est pas mon balladeur qui déconne. 
 

bonjour,

le baladeur le plus basique est dispo chez D.. (Kesa electricals)
et il peut lire les fichiers audio ogg ...

rechercher : proline pl06 wom

attention :

le média se comporte comme un vulgaire lecteur de cartes 
lorsqu'il est connecté à l'ordi ...

slt
benrard

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Re: [HS] problème indexation fichiers musicaux après transfert sur balladeur

2012-02-04 Thread Papinux

Le Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:23:31 +0100, Jean-Yves F. Barbier a écrit :

 On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:58:49 +0100
 Papinux px+...@papinux.fr wrote:
 
  
  Justement, non. le Cowon (j'en possède un) a un avantage énorme car
  il se gère comme une clé usb (mass storage). Il n'y a pas de base de
  données. Il suffit de copier les fichiers sur le lecteur. Et c'est un
  des rares lecteurs numériques qui lit des fichiers .ogg.
 
 RTFM
 
 http://anythingbutipod.com/2007/04/cowon-iaudio-d2-review/ indique
 clairement que le device doit reconstruire sa propre DB:
 I wish ID3 browsing could be disabled altogether so the D2
 doesn’t need to rebuild its ID3 database after disconnecting
 from a computer in MSC mode. It’s not really a big issue; 
 the rebuild takes about 20-30 seconds and a normal bootup 
 only takes 2-4 seconds, but I’d still like to have a clean
 file/folder-based player without seeing the ID3-browsing
 options at all
 

Au temps pour moi. Effectivement, la database se construit
dynamiquement à chaque boot de mon lecteur et elle ne semble pas être
sauvegardée sur le lecteur. 

Pour le D2, cela a l'air d'être différent. Il y a un fil sur le D2
justement (merci pour le lien)
http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=518381
Peut être un début de solution.

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[testing] problème avec Firewire sur CM ASUS P8P67 LE

2012-02-04 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER

Bonjour,

J'ai un problème avec une carte mère ASUS P8P67 LE (BIOS à jour) et le
firewire.

Je suis en testing avec le noyau 3.1.0-1-686-pae 3.1.8-2

dmesg me montre ceci :

[   97.134872] firewire_core: phy config: card 0, new root=ffc1, gap_count=5
[   98.151791] firewire_core: created device fw1: GUID 0010100550074255, S400,
3 config ROM retries [   98.156004] scsi12 : SBP-2 IEEE-1394
[   98.352614] firewire_sbp2: fw1.0: logged in to LUN  (0 retries)
[   98.354158] scsi 12:0:0:0: Direct-Access DMI  ST3500630A   3.53
PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 [   98.354419] sd 12:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg8 type 0
[   98.355017] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdh] 976773168 512-byte logical blocks: (500
GB/465 GiB) [   98.355544] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdh] Write Protect is off
[   98.355548] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdh] Mode Sense: 0d 00 00 00
[   98.356652] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdh] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled,
doesn't support DPO or FUA [   98.379273]  sdh: sdh1
[   98.381854] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdh] Attached SCSI disk
[   98.703626] kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
[   98.703810] EXT3-fs (sdh1): warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is
recommended [   98.704240] EXT3-fs (sdh1): using internal journal
[   98.704244] EXT3-fs (sdh1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode
[  247.642981] irq 19: nobody cared (try booting with the irqpoll option)
[  247.642988] Pid: 0, comm: swapper Tainted: P   O 3.1.0-1-686-pae #1
[  247.642990] Call Trace:
[  247.642999]  [c1076d25] ? __report_bad_irq+0x1c/0x8d
[  247.643003]  [c1076f2f] ? note_interrupt+0x122/0x18f
[  247.643007]  [c1075c37] ? handle_irq_event_percpu+0x142/0x158
[  247.643011]  [c1077444] ? handle_level_irq+0x62/0x62
[  247.643015]  [c1075c6e] ? handle_irq_event+0x21/0x37
[  247.643018]  [c1077444] ? handle_level_irq+0x62/0x62
[  247.643022]  [c10774a4] ? handle_fasteoi_irq+0x60/0x78
[  247.643024]  IRQ  [c100ca37] ? do_IRQ+0x2e/0x76
[  247.643033]  [c12b3370] ? common_interrupt+0x30/0x38
[  247.643037]  [c103007b] ? sched_debug_show+0x165/0xb17
[  247.643041]  [c11855ff] ? intel_idle+0xb9/0xde
[  247.643047]  [c11f59ce] ? cpuidle_idle_call+0xcd/0x140
[  247.643051]  [c100aef1] ? cpu_idle+0x86/0xaa
[  247.643054]  [c1440708] ? start_kernel+0x32a/0x32f
[  247.643056] handlers:
[  247.643081] [f82c8ebf] ata_bmdma_interrupt
[  247.643087] [f830764d] irq_handler
[  247.643090] Disabling IRQ #19

Après ceci les accès vers mon disque externe se font mais sont très lents.

lsmod montre :

Module  Size  Used by
ext3  138178  0 
jbd51403  1 ext3
firewire_sbp2  17732  0 
pci_stub   12397  1 
vboxpci18750  0 
vboxnetadp 13143  0 
vboxnetflt 23231  0 
vboxdrv   164892  3 vboxpci,vboxnetadp,vboxnetflt
acpi_cpufreq   12807  1 
mperf  12421  1 acpi_cpufreq
cpufreq_powersave  12422  0 
cpufreq_conservative12987  0 
cpufreq_userspace  12520  0 
cpufreq_stats  12762  0 
parport_pc 22036  0 
ppdev  12651  0 
lp 12797  0 
parport31254  3 parport_pc,ppdev,lp
rfcomm 28564  0 
bnep   17288  2 
bluetooth 103666  10 rfcomm,bnep
binfmt_misc12813  1 
uinput 12991  1 
fuse   52153  1 
microcode  13358  0 
nfsd  193100  13 
nfs   261523  0 
lockd  57220  2 nfsd,nfs
fscache31978  1 nfs
auth_rpcgss32143  2 nfsd,nfs
nfs_acl12463  2 nfsd,nfs
sunrpc143692  19 nfsd,nfs,lockd,auth_rpcgss,nfs_acl
ipt_ULOG   12561  4 
ipt_REJECT 12454  1 
xt_state   12455  7 
nf_conntrack_irc   12395  0 
nf_conntrack_ftp   12533  0 
xt_tcpudp  12506  8 
iptable_mangle 12488  0 
iptable_nat12800  0 
nf_nat 17924  1 iptable_nat
nf_conntrack_ipv4  13726  10 iptable_nat,nf_nat
nf_conntrack   43121  6
xt_state,nf_conntrack_irc,nf_conntrack_ftp,iptable_nat,nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4
nf_defrag_ipv4 12443  1 nf_conntrack_ipv4 iptable_filter
12488  1 ip_tables  17079  3
iptable_mangle,iptable_nat,iptable_filter x_tables   18084  8
ipt_ULOG,ipt_REJECT,xt_state,xt_tcpudp,iptable_mangle,iptable_nat,iptable_filter,ip_tables
uvcvideo   56932  0 snd_usb_audio  71277  1 
videodev   61627  1 uvcvideo
snd_usbmidi_lib18805  1 snd_usb_audio
media  13692  2 uvcvideo,videodev
sg 21476  0 
coretemp   12807  0 
nvidia  10862753  40 
wacom  29466  0 
snd_hda_codec_realtek   196816  1 
eeepc_wmi  12508  0 
asus_wmi   18278  1 eeepc_wmi
sparse_keymap  12680  1 asus_wmi
rfkill 18516  4 bluetooth,asus_wmi
snd_hda_intel

Re: [testing] problème avec Firewire sur CM ASUS P8P67 LE

On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 00:43:22 +0100
Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr wrote:

 J'ai un problème avec une carte mère ASUS P8P67 LE (BIOS à jour) et le
 firewire.

Je dirais plutôt avec le DMA ATA.

 doesn't support DPO or FUA [   98.379273]  sdh: sdh1
 [   98.381854] sd 12:0:0:0: [sdh] Attached SCSI disk
 [   98.703626] kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
 [   98.703810] EXT3-fs (sdh1): warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is
 recommended [   98.704240] EXT3-fs (sdh1): using internal journal
 [   98.704244] EXT3-fs (sdh1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode
 [  247.642981] irq 19: nobody cared (try booting with the irqpoll option)
 [  247.642988] Pid: 0, comm: swapper Tainted: P   O 3.1.0-1-686-pae #1
 [  247.642990] Call Trace:
 [  247.642999]  [c1076d25] ? __report_bad_irq+0x1c/0x8d
 [  247.643003]  [c1076f2f] ? note_interrupt+0x122/0x18f
 [  247.643007]  [c1075c37] ? handle_irq_event_percpu+0x142/0x158
 [  247.643011]  [c1077444] ? handle_level_irq+0x62/0x62
 [  247.643015]  [c1075c6e] ? handle_irq_event+0x21/0x37
 [  247.643018]  [c1077444] ? handle_level_irq+0x62/0x62
 [  247.643022]  [c10774a4] ? handle_fasteoi_irq+0x60/0x78
 [  247.643024]  IRQ  [c100ca37] ? do_IRQ+0x2e/0x76
 [  247.643033]  [c12b3370] ? common_interrupt+0x30/0x38
 [  247.643037]  [c103007b] ? sched_debug_show+0x165/0xb17
 [  247.643041]  [c11855ff] ? intel_idle+0xb9/0xde
 [  247.643047]  [c11f59ce] ? cpuidle_idle_call+0xcd/0x140
 [  247.643051]  [c100aef1] ? cpu_idle+0x86/0xaa
 [  247.643054]  [c1440708] ? start_kernel+0x32a/0x32f
 [  247.643056] handlers:
 [  247.643081] [f82c8ebf] ata_bmdma_interrupt
 [  247.643087] [f830764d] irq_handler
 [  247.643090] Disabling IRQ #19

Reteste en désactivant l'APIC pour retomber en PIC.

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Re: [testing] problème avec Firewire sur CM ASUS P8P67 LE

2012-02-04 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER

Le Sun, 5 Feb 2012 01:02:40 +0100
Jean-Yves F. Barbier 12u...@gmail.com a écrit:

 
 On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 00:43:22 +0100
 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr wrote:
 
  J'ai un problème avec une carte mère ASUS P8P67 LE (BIOS à jour) et le
  firewire.
 
 Je dirais plutôt avec le DMA ATA.

Pourquoi ? Les accès sur mes disques internes sont bon. Seuls ceux vers le
disque externe branché en firewire posent problème ?

 Reteste en désactivant l'APIC pour retomber en PIC.

Déjà essayé sans succès.
Je suis en train de tester avec pci=routeirq

Gaëtan

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Re: [testing] problème avec Firewire sur CM ASUS P8P67 LE

On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 01:12:16 +0100
Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr wrote:

 Je suis en train de tester avec pci=routeirq

Et qu'est-ce qui se passe qd tu branches juste la boiboite,
sans que le HD ne soit raccordé?

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Re: [testing] problème avec Firewire sur CM ASUS P8P67 LE

2012-02-04 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER

Le Sun, 5 Feb 2012 01:29:19 +0100
Jean-Yves F. Barbier 12u...@gmail.com a écrit:

 
 On Sun, 5 Feb 2012 01:12:16 +0100
 Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr wrote:
 
  Je suis en train de tester avec pci=routeirq
 
 Et qu'est-ce qui se passe qd tu branches juste la boiboite,
 sans que le HD ne soit raccordé?
 

Aucune idée et comme la boiboite ne semble pas facile à ouvrir je n'ai pas
trop envie d'essayer ...

Pour l'instant avec pci=routeirq ça semble mieux se passer ...

Gaëtan

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Re: [OT] - Alfresco, Error login.

2012-02-04 Thread ZorroPlateado


El 04/02/12 02:00, Robert J. Briones C. escribió:

Estimados, se que no es la lista correspondiente pero ya no se donde
buscar info.

intale alfresco 4.0 y todo funcionaba bien. pero cuando conecte el
servidor a una ip pública, me sale error al intentar entrar a alfresco
por web

El servidor remoto puede no estar disponible o sus datos de
autenticación no han sido reconocidos.

veo el log de alfresco y sale esto :

19:37:53,783 INFO
[org.alfresco.repo.management.subsystems.ChildApplicationContextFactory]
Starting 'sysAdmin' subsystem, ID: [sysAdmin, default]
19:37:53,834 INFO
[org.alfresco.repo.management.subsystems.ChildApplicationContextFactory]
Startup of 'sysAdmin' subsystem, ID: [sysAdmin, default] complete
19:38:17,132 WARN  [org.alfresco.util.AbstractTriggerBean] Job
ehCacheTracerJob is not active/enabled
19:38:26,637 INFO
[org.alfresco.repo.management.subsystems.ChildApplicationContextFactory]
Stopping 'sysAdmin' subsystem, ID: [sysAdmin, default]
19:38:26,638 INFO
[org.alfresco.repo.management.subsystems.ChildApplicationContextFactory]
Stopped 'sysAdmin' subsystem, ID: [sysAdmin, default]
19:38:26,644 ERROR [org.springframework.web.context.ContextLoader]
Context initialization failed
org.springframework.beans.factory.BeanCreationException: Error
creating bean with name 'avmRemoteService' defined in class path
resource [alfresco/remote-services-context.xml]: Invocation of init
method failed; nested exception is java.rmi.server.ExportException:
internal error: ObjID already in use
 at 
org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.initializeBean(AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.java:1420)
 at 
org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.doCreateBean(AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.java:519)
 at 
org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.createBean(AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.java:456)
 at 
org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractBeanFactory$1.getObject(AbstractBeanFactory.java:291)
 at 
org.springframework.beans.factory.support.DefaultSingletonBeanRegistry.getSingleton(DefaultSingletonBeanRegistry.java:222)
 at 
org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractBeanFactory.doGetBean(AbstractBeanFactory.java:288)
 at 
org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractBeanFactory.getBean(AbstractBeanFactory.java:190)
 at 
org.springframework.beans.factory.support.DefaultListableBeanFactory.preInstantiateSingletons(DefaultListableBeanFactory.java:580)
 at 
org.springframework.context.support.AbstractApplicationContext.finishBeanFactoryInitialization(AbstractApplicationContext.java:895)
 at 
org.springframework.context.support.AbstractApplicationContext.refresh(AbstractApplicationContext.java:425)
 at 
org.springframework.web.context.ContextLoader.createWebApplicationContext(ContextLoader.java:276)
 at 
org.springframework.web.context.ContextLoader.initWebApplicationContext(ContextLoader.java:197)
 at 
org.springframework.web.context.ContextLoaderListener.contextInitialized(ContextLoaderListener.java:47)
 at 
org.alfresco.web.app.ContextLoaderListener.contextInitialized(ContextLoaderListener.java:63)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.listenerStart(StandardContext.java:4135)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.start(StandardContext.java:4630)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.addChildInternal(ContainerBase.java:791)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.addChild(ContainerBase.java:771)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHost.addChild(StandardHost.java:546)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployWAR(HostConfig.java:905)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployWARs(HostConfig.java:740)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployApps(HostConfig.java:500)
 at org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.start(HostConfig.java:1277)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.lifecycleEvent(HostConfig.java:321)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.util.LifecycleSupport.fireLifecycleEvent(LifecycleSupport.java:119)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.start(ContainerBase.java:1053)
 at org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHost.start(StandardHost.java:785)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.start(ContainerBase.java:1045)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngine.start(StandardEngine.java:445)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardService.start(StandardService.java:519)
 at 
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardServer.start(StandardServer.java:710)
 at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.start(Catalina.java:581)
 at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
 at 
sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)

Re: Problemas Drivers Acer Veriton

El Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:35:34 -0500, YaSnIeL LóPeZ ArGüEz escribió:

 He comprado una PC Acer Veriton m4618g, y no me coge los drivers del
 network. 

¿Y eso qué quiere decir?

Tendrás que empezar por ver qué tarjeta de red tienes (realtek, intel...) 
y qué te dice el dmesg al respecto.

lspci | grep -i net
dmesg | grep -i eth

 Ya he buscado y ni siquiera aparece en el drivers-linux.org.

Esa página no existe:

sm01@stt008:~$ whois drivers-linux.org
NOT FOUND

De todas formas, la mayoría de los drivers de las tarjetas de red están 
integradas en el kernel, no se necesitan drivers o firmwares externos 
aunque hay excepciones.

 Necesito ayuda urgente al respecto.
 
 He recurrido a ustedes solo cuasndo no me quedo otra alternativa.

Caray.

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Re: [OT] Restricciones en la navegacion (.cu)

El Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:36:30 -0300, Diego Sanchez escribió:

 Estimados
 
 Debido a que hay varios integrantes de Cuba, con restricciones en la
 navegacion, les envio este copypaste, de un servicio por el cual se
 puede navegar a traves del correo, siendo que tal vez, les resulte
 provechoso (al menos, para buscar información)
 
 
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 Link: http://www.flexamail.com/

Pues empiezan mal si para darse de alta hay que acceder a su página web y 
enviar un formulario :-)

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Re: [OT] - Alfresco, Error login.

El Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:00:35 -0300, Robert J. Briones C. escribió:

 Estimados, se que no es la lista correspondiente pero ya no se donde
 buscar info.
 
 intale alfresco 4.0 y todo funcionaba bien. pero cuando conecte el
 servidor a una ip pública, me sale error al intentar entrar a alfresco
 por web
 
 El servidor remoto puede no estar disponible o sus datos de
 autenticación no han sido reconocidos.
 
 veo el log de alfresco y sale esto :

(...)

 19:38:17,132 WARN  [org.alfresco.util.AbstractTriggerBean] Job 
 ehCacheTracerJob is not active/enabled 
(...)
 19:38:26,644 ERROR
 [org.springframework.web.context.ContextLoader] Context initialization failed
 org.springframework.beans.factory.BeanCreationException: Error creating
 bean with name 'avmRemoteService' defined in class path resource
 [alfresco/remote-services-context.xml]: Invocation of init method
 failed; nested exception is java.rmi.server.ExportException: internal
 error: ObjID already in use

(...)

 realmente no se que pueda ser... si alguien me orienta un poco... se los
 agradecería
 
 gracias :)

Yo me centraría en los errores de tipo warn/error y buscaría en Google:

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#hl=entbo=1complete=0site=webhpq=alfresco+Error+creating+bean+with+name+%27avmRemoteService%27+defined+in+class+path+resourcepbx=1bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osbfp=82ff331d34ad5c56biw=1280bih=888

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Instalar temas en gnome-shell

Hola,

Parece que en wheezy ya se pueden instalar temas en gnome-shell pero me  
pide una extensión para poder instalarlos (extensión del tema de usuario 
no instalada).

¿De qué extensión/paquete se trata?

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Re: Instalar temas en gnome-shell

2012-02-04 Thread Carlos Zuniga

2012/2/4 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
 Hola,

 Parece que en wheezy ya se pueden instalar temas en gnome-shell pero me
 pide una extensión para poder instalarlos (extensión del tema de usuario
 no instalada).

 ¿De qué extensión/paquete se trata?

Hola,

Será este, supongo:
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/19/user-themes/

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Re: Instalar temas en gnome-shell

2012-02-04 Thread Carlos Zuniga

2012/2/4 Carlos Zuniga carlos@gmail.com:
 2012/2/4 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
 Hola,

 Parece que en wheezy ya se pueden instalar temas en gnome-shell pero me
 pide una extensión para poder instalarlos (extensión del tema de usuario
 no instalada).

 ¿De qué extensión/paquete se trata?

 Hola,

 Será este, supongo:
 https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/19/user-themes/


Parece que esa extension es parte del paquete gnome-shell-extensions
en Debian, pero esta solo en experimental

http://packages.debian.org/experimental/gnome-shell-extensions

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Re: [OT] Restricciones en la navegacion (.cu)

2012-02-04 Thread diego sanchez


El 04/02/2012 06:38 a.m., Camaleón escribió:

Pues empiezan mal si para darse de alta hay que acceder a su página web y
enviar un formulario :-)

Saludos,


Supongo que me falto el :

Si lo consideran como una opcion, envienme un mail que los registro 



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Re: Instalar temas en gnome-shell

El Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:18:38 -0500, Carlos Zuniga escribió:

 2012/2/4 Carlos Zuniga carlos@gmail.com:
 2012/2/4 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
 Hola,

 Parece que en wheezy ya se pueden instalar temas en gnome-shell pero
 me pide una extensión para poder instalarlos (extensión del tema de
 usuario no instalada).

 ¿De qué extensión/paquete se trata?

 Hola,

 Será este, supongo:
 https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/19/user-themes/

Esta pide gnome-shell 3.3

 Parece que esa extension es parte del paquete gnome-shell-extensions en
 Debian, pero esta solo en experimental
 
 http://packages.debian.org/experimental/gnome-shell-extensions

En resumen, que no se puede :-)

Okay, gracias, habrá que esperar.

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Re: [OT] Restricciones en la navegacion (.cu)

El Sat, 04 Feb 2012 09:35:22 -0300, diego sanchez escribió:

 El 04/02/2012 06:38 a.m., Camaleón escribió:
 Pues empiezan mal si para darse de alta hay que acceder a su página web
 y enviar un formulario :-)

 Saludos,

 Supongo que me falto el :
 
 Si lo consideran como una opcion, envienme un mail que los registro 

:-)

Sinceramente, no creo que ese servicio les sirva, creo que está dirigido 
a otro tipo de usuarios que están acostumbrados al uso del correo 
electrónico pero no tienen restricciones en cuanto a su conexión. 

Estuve revisando los vídeos de ejemplo y necesita tirar mucho de la web y 
no tiene en cuenta la limitación de los buzones que tienen muchos 
usuarios (600 KiB por mensaje).

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Re: [OT] - Alfresco, Error login.

2012/2/4 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
 El Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:00:35 -0300, Robert J. Briones C. escribió:

 Estimados, se que no es la lista correspondiente pero ya no se donde
 buscar info.

 intale alfresco 4.0 y todo funcionaba bien. pero cuando conecte el
 servidor a una ip pública, me sale error al intentar entrar a alfresco
 por web

 El servidor remoto puede no estar disponible o sus datos de
 autenticación no han sido reconocidos.

 veo el log de alfresco y sale esto :

 (...)

 19:38:17,132 WARN  [org.alfresco.util.AbstractTriggerBean] Job 
 ehCacheTracerJob is not active/enabled
 (...)
 19:38:26,644 ERROR
 [org.springframework.web.context.ContextLoader] Context initialization failed
 org.springframework.beans.factory.BeanCreationException: Error creating
 bean with name 'avmRemoteService' defined in class path resource
 [alfresco/remote-services-context.xml]: Invocation of init method
 failed; nested exception is java.rmi.server.ExportException: internal
 error: ObjID already in use

 (...)

 realmente no se que pueda ser... si alguien me orienta un poco... se los
 agradecería

 gracias :)

 Yo me centraría en los errores de tipo warn/error y buscaría en Google:

 http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#hl=entbo=1complete=0site=webhpq=alfresco+Error+creating+bean+with+name+%27avmRemoteService%27+defined+in+class+path+resourcepbx=1bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osbfp=82ff331d34ad5c56biw=1280bih=888


 he buscado en google, cada uno de los errores y warning que
aparecen,, pero no encontrado algo que me de la solución ...

gracias.
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Re: [OT] - Alfresco, Error login.

2012/2/4 ZorroPlateado i32lelor.deb...@gmail.com:
 El 04/02/12 02:00, Robert J. Briones C. escribió:

 Estimados, se que no es la lista correspondiente pero ya no se donde
 buscar info.

 intale alfresco 4.0 y todo funcionaba bien. pero cuando conecte el
 servidor a una ip pública, me sale error al intentar entrar a alfresco
 por web

 El servidor remoto puede no estar disponible o sus datos de
 autenticación no han sido reconocidos.

 veo el log de alfresco y sale esto :

 19:37:53,783 INFO
 [org.alfresco.repo.management.subsystems.ChildApplicationContextFactory]
 Starting 'sysAdmin' subsystem, ID: [sysAdmin, default]
 19:37:53,834 INFO
 [org.alfresco.repo.management.subsystems.ChildApplicationContextFactory]
 Startup of 'sysAdmin' subsystem, ID: [sysAdmin, default] complete
 19:38:17,132 WARN  [org.alfresco.util.AbstractTriggerBean] Job
 ehCacheTracerJob is not active/enabled
 19:38:26,637 INFO
 [org.alfresco.repo.management.subsystems.ChildApplicationContextFactory]
 Stopping 'sysAdmin' subsystem, ID: [sysAdmin, default]
 19:38:26,638 INFO
 [org.alfresco.repo.management.subsystems.ChildApplicationContextFactory]
 Stopped 'sysAdmin' subsystem, ID: [sysAdmin, default]
 19:38:26,644 ERROR [org.springframework.web.context.ContextLoader]
 Context initialization failed
 org.springframework.beans.factory.BeanCreationException: Error
 creating bean with name 'avmRemoteService' defined in class path
 resource [alfresco/remote-services-context.xml]: Invocation of init
 method failed; nested exception is java.rmi.server.ExportException:
 internal error: ObjID already in use
         at
 org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.initializeBean(AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.java:1420)
         at
 org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.doCreateBean(AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.java:519)
         at
 org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.createBean(AbstractAutowireCapableBeanFactory.java:456)
         at
 org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractBeanFactory$1.getObject(AbstractBeanFactory.java:291)
         at
 org.springframework.beans.factory.support.DefaultSingletonBeanRegistry.getSingleton(DefaultSingletonBeanRegistry.java:222)
         at
 org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractBeanFactory.doGetBean(AbstractBeanFactory.java:288)
         at
 org.springframework.beans.factory.support.AbstractBeanFactory.getBean(AbstractBeanFactory.java:190)
         at
 org.springframework.beans.factory.support.DefaultListableBeanFactory.preInstantiateSingletons(DefaultListableBeanFactory.java:580)
         at
 org.springframework.context.support.AbstractApplicationContext.finishBeanFactoryInitialization(AbstractApplicationContext.java:895)
         at
 org.springframework.context.support.AbstractApplicationContext.refresh(AbstractApplicationContext.java:425)
         at
 org.springframework.web.context.ContextLoader.createWebApplicationContext(ContextLoader.java:276)
         at
 org.springframework.web.context.ContextLoader.initWebApplicationContext(ContextLoader.java:197)
         at
 org.springframework.web.context.ContextLoaderListener.contextInitialized(ContextLoaderListener.java:47)
         at
 org.alfresco.web.app.ContextLoaderListener.contextInitialized(ContextLoaderListener.java:63)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.listenerStart(StandardContext.java:4135)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.start(StandardContext.java:4630)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.addChildInternal(ContainerBase.java:791)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.addChild(ContainerBase.java:771)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHost.addChild(StandardHost.java:546)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployWAR(HostConfig.java:905)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployWARs(HostConfig.java:740)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployApps(HostConfig.java:500)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.start(HostConfig.java:1277)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.lifecycleEvent(HostConfig.java:321)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.util.LifecycleSupport.fireLifecycleEvent(LifecycleSupport.java:119)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.start(ContainerBase.java:1053)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHost.start(StandardHost.java:785)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.start(ContainerBase.java:1045)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngine.start(StandardEngine.java:445)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.core.StandardService.start(StandardService.java:519)
         at
 org.apache.catalina.core.StandardServer.start(StandardServer.java:710)
         at org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.start(Catalina.java:581)
         at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
         at

Re: [OT] - Alfresco, Error login.

El Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:12:35 -0300, Robert J. Briones C. escribió:

2012/2/4 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:

(...)

realmente no se que pueda ser... si alguien me orienta un poco... se
los agradecería

gracias :)

Yo me centraría en los errores de tipo warn/error y buscaría en Google:

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=en#hl=entbo=1complete=0site=webhpq=alfresco+Error+creating+bean+with+name+%27avmRemoteService%27+defined+in+class+path+resourcepbx=1bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osbfp=82ff331d34ad5c56biw=1280bih=888

he buscado en google, cada uno de los errores y warning que
aparecen,, pero no encontrado algo que me de la solución ...

Jo, pues... de ese tema (avmToAdmRemoteStore) hablan precisamente en
uno de los primeros mensajes de los foros:

Known upgrade issue in Alfresco Community 4.0.b Release
https://forums.alfresco.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=14t=41558

Si tienes la versión 4.0.b, lo indican hasta en las notas la versión:

http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Alfresco_Community_4.0.b_Release_Notes

***
Known Issues

Upgrades from a pre Alfresco 4.0 will not work correctly as the
avmToAdmRemoteStore patch will not be run. The workaround is to upgrade
first to 4.0.a or apply patch patch-ALF-11029-context.xml by dropping
patch file into tomcat/shared/classes/alfresco/extension BEFORE
upgrade. The patch can found attached to Jira ticket ALF-11029. If you
have already upgraded to 4.0.b then some of the user site preferences
would have been reset.This issue has been fixed in nightly build, so a
nightly build can also be used instead, please visit http://
dev.alfresco.com/downloads/nightly/dist/ for latest nightly build.
***

¡Suerte! :-)

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Re: [OT] - Alfresco, Error login.

2012/2/4 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:
El Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:12:35 -0300, Robert J. Briones C. escribió:

2012/2/4 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:

(...)

realmente no se que pueda ser... si alguien me orienta un poco... se
los agradecería

gracias :)

Yo me centraría en los errores de tipo warn/error y buscaría en Google:

he buscado en google, cada uno de los errores y warning que
aparecen,, pero no encontrado algo que me de la solución ...

Jo, pues... de ese tema (avmToAdmRemoteStore) hablan precisamente en
uno de los primeros mensajes de los foros:

Known upgrade issue in Alfresco Community 4.0.b Release
https://forums.alfresco.com/en/viewtopic.php?f=14t=41558

Si tienes la versión 4.0.b, lo indican hasta en las notas la versión:

http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Alfresco_Community_4.0.b_Release_Notes

***
Known Issues

¡Suerte! :-)

Saludos,

gracias camaleón, tu siempre tan dispuesta a ayudar :)..

te cuento un poco . ahí habla que es un error al actualizar a la
version 4... e incluso la 4.0b... pero yo instale correctamente la d..
así no entiendo mucho... igual esto bajando el upgrade para la e, que
dice que ese error viene corregido, veremos que pasa.

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Re: Instalar temas en gnome-shell

2012-02-04 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia

- Original Message - 
From: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com

To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: Instalar temas en gnome-shell




Esta pide gnome-shell 3.3



Camaleón



Y en que versión está actualmente la rama testing?

Saludos
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Re: Instalar temas en gnome-shell

El Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:27:22 -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió:

 Esta pide gnome-shell 3.3
 
 Camaleón
 
 
 Y en que versión está actualmente la rama testing?

3.2, creo.

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Re: [OT] - Alfresco, Error login.

El Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:41:07 -0300, Robert J. Briones C. escribió:

 2012/2/4 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:

 Si tienes la versión 4.0.b, lo indican hasta en las notas la versión:

 http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Alfresco_Community_4.0.b_Release_Notes

(...)

 gracias camaleón, tu siempre tan dispuesta a ayudar :)..

Ea, nunca se sabe cuando una va a instalar Alfresco.

 te cuento un poco . ahí habla que es un error al actualizar a la version
 4... e incluso la 4.0b... pero yo instale correctamente la d.. así no
 entiendo mucho... igual esto bajando el upgrade para la e, que dice que
 ese error viene corregido, veremos que pasa.

¿Hay una versión e? No la he visto :-?

De todas formas, podrías preguntar en su foros, seguro que te dicen en 
seguida a qué se debe el error.

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Re: [OT] - Alfresco, Error login.

El día 4 de febrero de 2012 13:14, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:41:07 -0300, Robert J. Briones C. escribió:

 2012/2/4 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com:

 Si tienes la versión 4.0.b, lo indican hasta en las notas la versión:

 http://wiki.alfresco.com/wiki/Alfresco_Community_4.0.b_Release_Notes

 (...)

 gracias camaleón, tu siempre tan dispuesta a ayudar :)..

 Ea, nunca se sabe cuando una va a instalar Alfresco.

 te cuento un poco . ahí habla que es un error al actualizar a la version
 4... e incluso la 4.0b... pero yo instale correctamente la d.. así no
 entiendo mucho... igual esto bajando el upgrade para la e, que dice que
 ese error viene corregido, veremos que pasa.

 ¿Hay una versión e? No la he visto :-?

si, hay una 4.0.e, pero actualice y no paso nada, sigue saliendo lo mismo...

ahora estoy bajando la version para instalarla desde 0...

veremos si ahora funciona...

saludos.

 De todas formas, podrías preguntar en su foros, seguro que te dicen en
 seguida a qué se debe el error.


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Re: [ot] soluciones caseras de almacenaje SAN/NAS

2012-02-04 Thread Cristian Mitchell

El día 3 de febrero de 2012 17:34, jorarome jorar...@gmail.com escribió:
El día 3 de febrero de 2012 14:19, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
El Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:42:34 +0100, Mariano Cediel escribió:

Confío en vuestra experiencia, para a partir de las respuestas googlear
con más tino.

Supongamos que tengo que almacenar una gran cantidad de datos (que
crecen desmesuradamente), datos que están vinculados a un servicio de
samba/mysql/servidor de correo ... lo que sea. La solución políticamente
correcta es (corregidme, por favor)
- montar un servidor para almacenar estos datos, que serán
compartidos via nfs¿? scsi¿?. Este servidor tiene RAIDx

Bueno, un único servidor se te puede quedar pequeño. Lo ideal sería un
servidor conectable a otro servidor conectable a otro servidor conectable
a otro servidor, etc. Es decir, una configuración de hardware que te
permita ir aumentando el número de servidores/discos con sólo conectar
los equipos entre sí, en cascada.

Para este tipo de aplicaciones (interconexión de servidores) se suele
usar tarjetas SAS (con expansores SAS). Con las conexiones de red
actuales (1 Gbps) ya sabes lo que pasa, los cuellos de botella son
tremendos.

- montar un servidor normalito al que le asociamos los
datos/directorios/bloques de disco

Y que sea capaz de controlar todos los discos/volúmenes como si fueran
uno sólo. Aquí (en software) soluciones caseras dedicadas tienes FreeNAS
u Openfiler que son distribuciones específicas para estas tareas y que
tienen listados de hardware compatible.

Cual es la mejor manera de escalar esta estructura ¿? Cómo se comparten
estos datos para que el servidor acceda a ellos ¿? Tanto utilice
nfs/scsi, si me quedo sin espacio en los datos compartidos, cómo se
amplia ese espacio Y cómo se hace copia de seguridad sobre esa
cantidad de datos

Todo ello montado con software libre, por supuesto, bueno, bonito y
barato.

Lo más sencillo sería utilizar alguna solución de almacenamiento pre-
montada (p. ej., de Supermicro o de SGI) pero ya se sabe... lo bueno es
caro O:-). Aunque si realmente lo necesitas (tú o tu empresa) conviene
que lo estudies bien, hagas tus números y que pidas presupuestos a varios
fabricantes porque si buscas una solución seria y a largo plazo, olvida
los componentes de hardware convencionales, la estabilidad, sencillez de
uso, la fiabilidad, escalabilidad y la redundancia reales tienen un
precio.

Saludos,

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Por casualidad este hilo a sido oportuno, ya que casualmente ando en
un rollo parecido. Trato de mejorar unas bases de datos MySQL y Oracle
y queden con ALta Disponibilidad HA, la plataforma en la que operan es
Debian y son para diversasaplicaciones web de una institucion
educativa mediana., y al ir inspeccionando las diferentes fuentes
encontradas se vislumbra soluciones como Clustes de BD, virtualizacion
y redes SAN, NAS, y esto me a sunido en una confusion total, muchas
referencias encontras se enfocan con la utilizacion de DRBD. La
institucion cuenta con hardware Discos RAID5, en la cuales se
almancena lo respectivo a los datos que se manejan con Oracle.Estare
atento a como se desenvuelte este hilo estoy seguro de que algun tip
tecnico, consejos que pueda sacarme de este estancamiento. De antemano
les agrdezco por tanto conocimeinto que se aporta a la lista.

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Buenas

vamos orgaanizando conseptos

una red NAS o SAN (iscsi) es el equivalente a un cable scsi que sale
de la maquina y va a un mega periferico
como un mega disco de 12 teras con varios lums u raid variados (no es
file server o server de aplicacion)

Mientras que SMB o NFS son protocolos de comunicacion de un file server,
que nos permite compartir aplicaciones, archivos, etc.

entonces dependiendo de lo que vallamos a implementar, es lo que
vallamos a usar o de como lo convinemos

y es muy relevante nuetra disponibilidad de fondos

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A question about ssh-agent

2012-02-04 Thread Paul E Condon

Some might think I have no business wanting to know the answer
to this question, but bare with me:

Where in the start-up code of a system that is running ssh client is
the ssh-agent started? It has got to be early in the process, but
where?  And what exactly is done? Should I be able to see it in an
init.d script?  It is a daemon, but it is only needed to support an
add-on feature of as ssh client so it should be part of the code that
gdm/xdm runs, I suppose. Or what? There should be distinct instances
of the agent for each user, I think. Or is there a single single
instance that maintains a list of logged in users and their several
private keys? How is it really implement. I get the impression that it
is different ways on different systems. I'm only interested in the
Debian implementation (because it is the only one I can check up on)
It seems that it is not run when I log into a host using ssh or more
exactly its pid is not exported to an ssh login process. Could I add
something to the .profile script? If this is possible, it surely
has been thought of before me and better and worse ways of doing
have been discussed, but I'm not finding anything. Pointers to
HOWTOs? Is there a common name for doing this? Etc.

TIA

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Re: A question about ssh-agent

2012-02-04 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 04/02/12 19:05, Paul E Condon wrote:
 Some might think I have no business wanting to know the answer
 to this question, but 

bare with me:

Blink
Blink
:-/


(bear? I really hope *that*'s what you're requesting)


 
 Where in the start-up code of a system that is running ssh client is
 the ssh-agent started? It has got to be early in the process, but
 where?  And what exactly is done? Should I be able to see it in an
 init.d script?  It is a daemon, but it is only needed to support an
 add-on feature of as ssh client so it should be part of the code that
 gdm/xdm runs, I suppose. Or what? There should be distinct instances
 of the agent for each user, I think. Or is there a single single
 instance that maintains a list of logged in users and their several
 private keys? How is it really implement. I get the impression that it
 is different ways on different systems. I'm only interested in the
 Debian implementation (because it is the only one I can check up on)
 It seems that it is not run when I log into a host using ssh or more
 exactly its pid is not exported to an ssh login process. Could I add
 something to the .profile script? If this is possible, it surely
 has been thought of before me and better and worse ways of doing
 have been discussed, but I'm not finding anything. Pointers to
 HOWTOs? Is there a common name for doing this? Etc.
 
 TIA
 
/etc/init.d/ssh (it's a link from /etc/rc2.d)



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Re: A question about ssh-agent

2012-02-04 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2012-02-04 09:09 +0100, Scott Ferguson wrote:

 On 04/02/12 19:05, Paul E Condon wrote:
 
 Where in the start-up code of a system that is running ssh client is
 the ssh-agent started? It has got to be early in the process, but
 where?  And what exactly is done? Should I be able to see it in an
 init.d script?  It is a daemon, but it is only needed to support an
 add-on feature of as ssh client so it should be part of the code that
 gdm/xdm runs, I suppose. Or what? There should be distinct instances
 of the agent for each user, I think. Or is there a single single
 instance that maintains a list of logged in users and their several
 private keys? How is it really implement. I get the impression that it
 is different ways on different systems. I'm only interested in the
 Debian implementation (because it is the only one I can check up on)
 It seems that it is not run when I log into a host using ssh or more
 exactly its pid is not exported to an ssh login process. Could I add
 something to the .profile script? If this is possible, it surely
 has been thought of before me and better and worse ways of doing
 have been discussed, but I'm not finding anything. Pointers to
 HOWTOs? Is there a common name for doing this? Etc.
 
 TIA
 
 /etc/init.d/ssh (it's a link from /etc/rc2.d)

Nope, this is the script that starts the ssh *server*.  The agent is
started in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent, sourced from
/etc/X11/Xsession (see Xsession(5).

Sven


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Re: Downgrading? - What about Orca in wheezy?

2012-02-04 Thread Julien Claassen


Hi bob!
  I'm sorry, I see, that I wrote rather without context, besides I expressed 
myself unclearly.
  Yes, we are talking about Gnome-Orca. Why do I have to upgrade? The new 
Orca version has a lot of fixes for problems, which are there in the old 
version. These fixes will allow to use much more software in a satisfactory 
way or to use some software at all. And it has support for QT4, which opens up 
a host of new applications.
  Why is the other computer the problem? It is, because I upgraded to Wheezy 
on that machine to see, where it gets me. I have to start somewhere. :-) As it 
turned out, I might just have researched a little more, but I wouldn't have 
thought it possible.
  I know about Gnome3, that is exactly why, I was looking forward to Wheezy. 
Ghome-orca is bound to Gnome, that is exactly the point. Otherwise, I would 
have gone for just downloading sources and compiling a new Orca for my Squeeze 
system.
  As you say, a lot might happen and since I'm still mainly focussed on the 
commandline, I will wait and see, what happens. As I said I much prefer Debian 
to some of the other distros for several reasons, only one of them being, that 
it is rather reliable, even when I was working with testing branches.

  Warm regards
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Re: A question about ssh-agent

2012-02-04 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 04/02/12 19:35, Sven Joachim wrote:
 On 2012-02-04 09:09 +0100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 
 On 04/02/12 19:05, Paul E Condon wrote:

 Where in the start-up code of a system that is running ssh client is
 the ssh-agent started? 

snipped

 It seems that it is not run when I log into a host using ssh or more
 exactly its pid is not exported to an ssh login process. Could I add
 something to the .profile script? If this is possible, it surely
 has been thought of before me and better and worse ways of doing
 have been discussed, but I'm not finding anything. Pointers to
 HOWTOs? Is there a common name for doing this? Etc.

 TIA

 /etc/init.d/ssh (it's a link from /etc/rc2.d)
 
 Nope, this is the script that starts the ssh *server*.  The agent is
 started in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent, sourced from
 /etc/X11/Xsession (see Xsession(5).


That led me to read man Xsession.options, which then lead to man
ssh-agent (which is where the OP answer seems to be).



 
 Sven
 
 

Thanks for the correction. I feel marginally less ignorant now :-)



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Re: Downgrading? - What about Orca in wheezy?

On Vi, 03 feb 12, 19:28:57, Bob Proulx wrote:
 
 It is still a long time until Wheezy releases.  There is no indicate
 one way or the other about whether gnome-orca will be in wheezy or
 not.  It is too early to tell.  I think you should be patient and wait
 and see.  A lot can happen in a year.

apt-cache policy gnome-orca
gnome-orca:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 2.30.2-2
  Version table:
 3.0.4-1 0
  1 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ experimental/main i386 Packages
 2.30.2-2 0
500 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages
500 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main i386 Packages
 2.22.2-1 0
500 http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ lenny/main i386 Packages

Since a new version is already in experimental I expect it is waiting 
for something to be uploaded to sid (and then transition to wheezy), 
probably dependencies. If you are already experimenting with that other 
box you could just try to use the experimental version before 
reinstalling.

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Re: Openbox window manager

On Vi, 03 feb 12, 22:07:06, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
 I use the openbox window manager on the siduction distribution.
 What I want to know is how to stop openbox from killing a window
 when Alt-F4 is pressed. 

By a window do you mean any window or just some windows. It might 
be that the application itself responds to Alt+F4 (although unlikely).

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Re: A question about ssh-agent

On Sb, 04 feb 12, 01:05:47, Paul E Condon wrote:

 It seems that it is not run when I log into a host using ssh or more
 exactly its pid is not exported to an ssh login process. Could I add
 something to the .profile script? 

Maybe 'ForwardAgent' is what you are looking for. See ssh(1) and 
ssh_config(5).

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Re: [OT] how to take care of hand

2012-02-04 Thread Arno Schuring

lina (lina.lastn...@gmail.com on 2012-02-04 00:57 +0800):
 Hi,
 
 are there some suggestions about how to take care of hand?
 
 for weeks, I felt the hand especially the thumb get strengh-less in 
 typing, and kinda of stiff,

I've never hand problems with my hands, it's always been wrist or
shoulder for me.

 I can't avoid using mouse ( even has changed to a light one) and 
 keyboard, googled some way, a bit horrible, someone even said need do 
 operations.

I'm still using a 10+ year old Logitech Mouseman. It's the one mouse
that somewhat matches my natural hand positioning. I've also swapped
right-button with the thumb button.

As for operations: this is not a medical forum.

 are there some good way of avoiding it. 3 years ago I once had, but
 gone within week. now I get handache about it.

Headaches? Take a good look at your posture. Mousing too far from your
body will imbalance your shoulder, and that will strain your back and
neck muscles. I've found that the most natural position for me is
placing the mouse on my thigh.


Regards,
Arno


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Something weird

Hi,

When I browsed some website, 
 Just for a while.  
I did not notice the screen.  

The iceweasle moved over screen.  I can't clink the small, enlarge or shutdown 
button 

Neither can move it.  Same for the terminal.  

All started from the file edit view line at the top of screen.  

And the terminal has no reaction.  Only an empty square after 
lina@debian:~$ 

The only way I can use is the press F1.
F series keys.  

Any idea how to check? Or what I have done wrong? 

I restarted, still the same.  

Thanks 

It's wheezy with xfce 4 

Lina

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Re: Downgrading? - What about Orca in wheezy?

2012-02-04 Thread Julien Claassen


Hello Andrei!
  Thanks, I'l definitely consider it. Much better than to go back. :-)
  Knd regards
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Re: Flash Player 11 under Debian Lenny

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:16:55 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:

 On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:57:06 -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
 
 
  On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:04:37 +, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

 I can't tell why it works for you in fedora but when the flashplayer
 plugin is properly detected by the browser and it can't load a file it
 usually means the problems is elsewhere. Anyway, Lenny was using
 Iceweasel 3.0.x (not 3.5.x) unless you got the updated version from the
 backports version and 3.0.x it can be very old.
 
 I don't know either, but with Fedora I've always installed the plugin
 manually. 

I also do it that way: go to the Adobe site, manually fetch the tar.gz 
and extract the .so file under my user's mozilla profile.

 That is, downloaded the archive directly from Adobe and copied
 it as root to the appropriate directory (usually
 /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/), so it's globally available, renaming the
 previous version so it won't be overwritten.  

I prefer to restrict the scope of the flashplayer plugin for just my 
user, that way I can launch different browsers with different plugins. 

 This just in case the new one doesn't work, since I've been using until
 recently alphas or betas of the 64-bit version.  Just followed Adobe's
 generic Linux install instructions.   Never enabled Adobe's Fedora
 repository for this as it's all 32-bit, and won't work with a 64-bit
 browser unless you use a wrapper.  Too much trouble.

How is that Fedora does not have an external repository for the 64 bits 
version of the plugin? That sounds unbelievable :-?

 I think most Debian users use apt-get to install the plugin.  Maybe,
 there's the rub.

Many users do, indeed... but I always recommend using the Adobe file 
directly. I find it an easier and more convenient method though you have 
to manually search for updates.

 I've never had problems with that. In fact, I'm using right now adobe
 flashplayer in Firefox (the plugin is located in my user's home) and
 gnash in Epiphany (plugin is installed system wide), they do not
 collide.
 
 
 
 Adobe says to delete or rename the old version before installing the
 new.  I forgot one time and had an old version in my /home directory and
 the new version in /usr.  The browser (Firefox) recognized and reported
 both, but neither would work until I deleted or renamed one or the
 other.  This was with Fedora Core 6, I think, years ago.

Different versions shouldn't collide because the first listed is the one 
used by the browser. But know knows, I've seen weird things with the 
plugins, and not just flashplayer but also java :-)

 I've never had any success getting gnash to work.

Stock versions of the plugin usually works with sites that used older 
versions of the player (10). My guess is that updating gnash to the 
latest version will just work with most of the sites but users find it is 
easier to get the Adobe flashplayer plugin than having to update gnash...

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Re: [OT] how to take care of hand

2012-02-04 Thread Russell L. Harris

* Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com [120203 19:21]:
 On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 20:08, Russell L. Harris
 rlhar...@broadcaster.org wrote:
 I thought that heat promotes circulation, not cold. 

That the ice pack promotes circulation is simply my supposition, and
may be wrong.  The focus and emphasis of the podiatrist was the
reduction of inflammation, and he said that heat would exacerbate the
problem.

The inflammation can make ambulation (that is, walking) extremely painful,
even with the assistance of a cane.  



 But tell me, it seems that you are treating the symptom, not the
 cause. 

Yes, thus far.  

The technical name of the problem is plantar fasciitis; the
podiatrist said that it was the most common ailment which he treats.  

To the individual suffering from acute plantar fasciitis -- having
been reduced to crawling on his hands and knees -- gaining relief from
the symptom is of paramount importance.



 What about the torn ligament?

In the case I described, the ligament was in the process of tearing,
but not yet detached.  I did not hear whether a torn ligament is able
to heal or re-attach itself.

The podiatrist said that there were two solutions to the problem.  The
first: an hour in the operating room, with the attendant expense.  The
second: daily exercises (15 to 30 minutes, twice daily) designed to
stretch the ligament.

The podiatrist strongly recommended the second solution.  He said that
the ligament typically needs to be elongated only a few millimeters --
a goal which he says is easily achieved by stretching exercises.  The
podiatrist also cautioned that published stretching exercises
typically are much too severe, and thus do more harm than good.  He
said that the application of only a few pounds of pressure is
sufficient, and he said that, if the exercise hurts, the exercise is
doing harm.

The podiatrist also said that the problem arises from gradual
deformation of the foot, which typically is caused by gradual gain of
weight.  To me, it appears that he is saying that one must either
continue the stretching exercises as he grows older, or else he must
guard against gaining weight.

RLH


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Re: A question about ssh-agent

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:05:47 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote:

 Some might think I have no business wanting to know the answer to this
 question, but bare with me:
 
 Where in the start-up code of a system that is running ssh client is the
 ssh-agent started? It has got to be early in the process, but where? 
 And what exactly is done? Should I be able to see it in an init.d
 script?  

(...)

From man ssh-agent:

***
DESCRIPTION
ssh-agent is a program to hold private keys used for public key 
authentication (RSA, DSA).  The idea is that ssh-agent is started in the 
beginning of an X-session or a login session, and all other windows or 
programs are started as clients to the ssh-agent program.  Through use of 
environment variables the agent can be located and automatically used for 
authentication when logging in to other machines using ssh(1).
***

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Something weird

 From: lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com
 Date: 4 February, 2012 18:00:52 GMT+08:00
 To: Debian Lists debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Something weird

 Hi,

 When I browsed some website, 
 Just for a while.  
 I did not notice the screen.  

 The iceweasle moved over screen.  I can't clink the small, enlarge or 
 shutdown button 

 Neither can move it.  Same for the terminal.  

 All started from the file edit view line at the top of screen.  

 And the terminal has no reaction.  Only an empty square after 
 lina@debian:~$ 

 The only way I can use is the press F1.
 F series keys.  

 Any idea how to check? Or what I have done wrong? 

 I restarted, still the same.  

 Thanks 

 It's wheezy with xfce 4

I tried changed display resolution

Not work 

The whole screen moved up.  But bottom didn't change.  

Do I need install anti virus package on Debian.  

I don't want to be in trouble.  Most time I don'r know how to handle it.  

Thanks.  

 Lina

Re: Keeping a laptop backlight off

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 08:53:45 +1300, Aidan Gauland wrote:

 I just installed a Pixel Qi screen in my Acer Aspire One am already
 enjoying the increased readability in sunlight, but there is a small
 problem I need to address: when I turn the screen backlight off via the
 Fn key (Fn+F6), the screen goes into minimal-power, monochrome mode;
 only problem is the screen comes back on as soon as I move the mouse or
 press a key, which makes it impossible to use the laptop with the screen
 in this mode.  Is there some /proc hack to *keep* the backlight off?

I can control the backlight of my netbook by means of the /sys/class/
backlight/intel_backlight/brightness key.

So:

echo 500  /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness

Will darken the screen and keep it so until I change it again by using 
the function keys or manually editing its value. 

Just note the name of the key can be different in your Acer netbook.

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Re: Debian VPS

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:43:35 +1100, Mark Charles wrote:

 Can anyone recommend any good VPS companies that allow you to install
 Debian or who have Debian preinstalled?

Can't comment on any but you have a list here:

http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting

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System locks (was: Something weird)

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:00:52 +0800, lina wrote:

 Hi,

Lina, next time try to choose a more descriptive subject :-)

 When I browsed some website,
  Just for a while.
 I did not notice the screen.
 
 The iceweasle moved over screen.  I can't clink the small, enlarge or
 shutdown button
 
 Neither can move it.  Same for the terminal.

(...)

When the system locks, try to login from ssh and see what happens. If you 
can login normally, it can be X that crashes.

Also, review the logs for any insightful errors.

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rabbitvcs missing from testing?

2012-02-04 Thread Colin

Hi all,
I would like to use rabbitvcs-nautilus but I can't find rabbitvcs on
testing [1] although it's on unstable.
What's the reason?

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[1] http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rabbitvcs


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Re: rabbitvcs missing from testing?

On Sb, 04 feb 12, 10:48:44, Colin wrote:
 Hi all,
 I would like to use rabbitvcs-nautilus but I can't find rabbitvcs on
 testing [1] although it's on unstable.
 What's the reason?

Maybe this helps:
http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=rabbitvcs

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Re: rabbitvcs missing from testing?

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:48:44 +, Colin wrote:

 Hi all,
 I would like to use rabbitvcs-nautilus but I can't find rabbitvcs on
 testing [1] although it's on unstable. What's the reason?

http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=rabbitvcs

:-)

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Re: rabbitvcs missing from testing?

2012-02-04 Thread Florian Ernst

Hello all,

On Sat, Feb 04, 2012 at 10:48:44AM +, Colin wrote:
 I would like to use rabbitvcs-nautilus but I can't find rabbitvcs on
 testing [1] although it's on unstable.
 What's the reason?

All the information is there, you'd just have to dig a bit deeper ...
:-)

Following the links on the page you mentioned you can finally reach the
developer information (PTS) page[0], whose most recent news entry[1]
refers to a bugreport[2] mentioning that the current version is
incompatible with GNOME 3 and was thus removed from testing to ease
transitioning.

HTH,
Flo

[0] http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rabbitvcs.html
[1] http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rabbitvcs/news/2006T163911Z.html
[2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=644690


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Re: System locks (was: Something weird)

2012-02-04 Thread Weaver


 On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:00:52 +0800, lina wrote:

 Hi,

 Lina, next time try to choose a more descriptive subject :-)

 When I browsed some website,
  Just for a while.
 I did not notice the screen.

 The iceweasle moved over screen.  I can't clink the small, enlarge or
 shutdown button

 Neither can move it.  Same for the terminal.

 (...)

 When the system locks, try to login from ssh and see what happens. If you
 can login normally, it can be X that crashes.

 Also, review the logs for any insightful errors.

This looks like two errors.
One with display and one with the mouse.
Perhaps console is involved?

Do you have gpm installed, Lina?
Regards,

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Re: rabbitvcs missing from testing?

2012-02-04 Thread Armin Haas

http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=rabbitvcs

Cheers

Armin


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Re: rabbitvcs missing from testing?

2012-02-04 Thread Colin

Thank you all for the information, specially Florian for the
description and urls.
I have installed their packages from their (rabbitvcs) a few weeks ago
but had issues with nautilus extension not working as expected
(couldn't commit, icons were missing on some folders).

Should I try the version from unstable and run it instead? I would
prefer to use all packages from debian instead and can to do bug
reports from there.


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Re: Backup System

2012-02-04 Thread Paul Lewis

On 04/02/12 01:57:14, Scott Ferguson wrote:

  That I have backups of stuff for a couple weeks is worth the 
  massively slow tapes (and tape drive $$), IMHO.
 
 Tape slow? Depends on your budget I guess and needs I guess. DLT is
 dirt cheap nowadays (cost of shipping only in many cases, compared 
 to LTO).
 
 I still use tape (DDS-4) for a couple of SGI Octanes, bang for bucks
 it's pretty fast backup and restore (I also have other uses for the
 tapes).

No one seems to have suggested DVDs or BlueRay as storage medium. Is 
there a reason these do not seem to be used much?

Re: My network speed is only 10MB

2012-02-04 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 2/2/2012 8:11 AM, Camaleón wrote:
 On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:43:39 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

 Nobody uses shielded twisted pair cabling these days, not for quite some
 time.  There is almost zero benefit.  And if not installed (grounded)
 correctly the performance can be horrible, and/or links may not work at
 all.
 
 He, we have used STP even for cabling the PBX (cat5.e) ;-)

Using CAT5 for things other than ethernet (phone, serial industrial
control comms, etc) has been popular in the US for some time as well.
We simply don't use the shielded variety.

 In Europe is quite common (and also the SSTP variant) but on large 
 companies (small businesses still use cat5 UTP and 10/100 devices). In 
 fact, all of our patch panels use STP cabling and also the pigtails for 
 conneting the computers to the swicth are also shielded. Yes, they are 
 hard to work with but provide a much better resistance from external 
 interferences and this was mainly the reason for us using it: gigabit 
 cables share the same pipe with power lines, cctv camera cables (rg-59) 
 and fire alarm system.

When you say pipe do you mean conduit?  Running network data cable and
power cable in the same conduit is a National Electrical Code violation
in the US.  Data cables must be in their own conduit, whether copper or
finer optic, though the reasons are different in each case.

The fact that your electrical code allows you to run power and data
cables in the same conduit explains your preference for shielded cable.
 And now maybe you understand why nobody in the US has used STP for a
couple of decades.

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Re: Something weird

2012-02-04 Thread Lisi

On Saturday 04 February 2012 10:00:52 lina wrote:
 Hi,

 When I browsed some website,
  Just for a while.
 I did not notice the screen.

 The iceweasle moved over screen.  I can't clink the small, enlarge or
 shutdown button

 Neither can move it.  Same for the terminal.

 All started from the file edit view line at the top of screen.

 And the terminal has no reaction.  Only an empty square after
 lina@debian:~$

 The only way I can use is the press F1.
 F series keys.

 Any idea how to check? Or what I have done wrong?

 I restarted, still the same.

 Thanks

 It's wheezy with xfce 4

 Lina

When I have this happen, especially in Iceweasel, it is usually because the 
RAM is overloaded.  Have you tried shutting something else/some other 
applications, down?  If not, it might be worth doing so.

Lisi


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Re: Debian VPS

2012-02-04 Thread Mark Charles

 On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:43:35 +1100, Mark Charles wrote:

  Can anyone recommend any good VPS companies that allow you to install
  Debian or who have Debian preinstalled?

 Can't comment on any but you have a list here:

 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting

 Greetings,

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Thanks.
I missed that page. My search fu is weak tonight


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Re: Backup System

2012-02-04 Thread Scott Ferguson

On 04/02/12 22:35, Paul Lewis wrote:
 On 04/02/12 01:57:14, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 
  

snipped

  
 
 No one seems to have suggested DVDs or BlueRay as storage medium. Is
 
 there a reason these do not seem to be used much?
 
Some people like them - I only use them for cheap off-site backups (for
small sites). My reasoning being that they're slow to backup to, but
mainly because they're unreliable. The nature of the format means they
have several levels of redundancy built-in, but without special software
you can't tell how damaged they are (you can still read them with a fair
amount of damage, so you don't know how close to being unreadable they
are).
There's a Debian package you can use that allows you to test them (the
name escapes me, I haven't used it since Etch) but you need to run it
before burning the disks.

Additionally - hard drives are cheap (and so are tapes).

What disks are good for is Clonezilla type boot from disk and restore
from image recovery tools - but they're restricted to systems that will
fit on a single disk.


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Re: System locks


On Saturday 04,February,2012 06:38 PM, Camaleón wrote:

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:00:52 +0800, lina wrote:


Hi,


Lina, next time try to choose a more descriptive subject :-)


Yes. ^_^

For everything the top taskbar was gone. Everything started with
mean bars.

After reboot twice, I can input. but the cursor still an empty rectangle.

before I did not change anything.




When I browsed some website,
  Just for a while.
I did not notice the screen.

The iceweasle moved over screen.  I can't clink the small, enlarge or
shutdown button

Neither can move it.  Same for the terminal.


(...)

When the system locks, try to login from ssh and see what happens. If you
can login normally, it can be X that crashes.


My Desktop a bit crashed due to last time update, it's unstable version. 
I have not tried to figure out what was going on, just put it aside for 
a while. so now I can't use ssh.


seems no need use ssh.



Also, review the logs for any insightful errors.


which logs should I focus on?

something about the screen move up?

thanks, it's so nice to have yours guys on list, otherwise I will freak 
out.


Greetings,




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Re: System locks


On Saturday 04,February,2012 07:14 PM, Weaver wrote:



On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:00:52 +0800, lina wrote:


Hi,


Lina, next time try to choose a more descriptive subject :-)


When I browsed some website,
  Just for a while.
I did not notice the screen.

The iceweasle moved over screen.  I can't clink the small, enlarge or
shutdown button

Neither can move it.  Same for the terminal.


(...)

When the system locks, try to login from ssh and see what happens. If you
can login normally, it can be X that crashes.

Also, review the logs for any insightful errors.


This looks like two errors.
One with display and one with the mouse.
Perhaps console is involved?

Do you have gpm installed, Lina?

$ dpkg --get-selections | grep gpm
libgpm2 install

only libgpm2.



Regards,

Thanks,


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Re: Something weird


On Saturday 04,February,2012 07:55 PM, Lisi wrote:

On Saturday 04 February 2012 10:00:52 lina wrote:

Hi,

When I browsed some website,
  Just for a while.
I did not notice the screen.

The iceweasle moved over screen.  I can't clink the small, enlarge or
shutdown button

Neither can move it.  Same for the terminal.

All started from the file edit view line at the top of screen.

And the terminal has no reaction.  Only an empty square after
lina@debian:~$

The only way I can use is the press F1.
F series keys.

Any idea how to check? Or what I have done wrong?

I restarted, still the same.

Thanks

It's wheezy with xfce 4

Lina


When I have this happen, especially in Iceweasel, it is usually because the
RAM is overloaded.  Have you tried shutting something else/some other
applications, down?  If not, it might be worth doing so.


Thanks, seems not memory issue, have 8GB memory with 12GB swap.


Lisi





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Re: My network speed is only 10MB

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 05:40:41 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

 On 2/2/2012 8:11 AM, Camaleón wrote:
 On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:43:39 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 
 Nobody uses shielded twisted pair cabling these days, not for quite
 some time.  There is almost zero benefit.  And if not installed
 (grounded) correctly the performance can be horrible, and/or links may
 not work at all.
 
 He, we have used STP even for cabling the PBX (cat5.e) ;-)
 
 Using CAT5 for things other than ethernet (phone, serial industrial
 control comms, etc) has been popular in the US for some time as well. We
 simply don't use the shielded variety.

Hard to understand because it was designed/developed by USAnians.
 
 In Europe is quite common (and also the SSTP variant) but on large
 companies (small businesses still use cat5 UTP and 10/100 devices). In
 fact, all of our patch panels use STP cabling and also the pigtails for
 conneting the computers to the swicth are also shielded. Yes, they are
 hard to work with but provide a much better resistance from external
 interferences and this was mainly the reason for us using it: gigabit
 cables share the same pipe with power lines, cctv camera cables (rg-59)
 and fire alarm system.
 
 When you say pipe do you mean conduit?  

I don't know a better word in English for the Spanish term canaleta. 
Hope an image can help here... I meant this:

http://img.archiexpo.es/images_ae/photo-m2/canaletas-de-cableado-18337.jpg

It's a sort of cabling carrier usually made from PVC (internal usage) 
or structural steel when used for external façades.

 Running network data cable and power cable in the same conduit is a
 National Electrical Code violation in the US.  Data cables must be in
 their own conduit, whether copper or finer optic, though the reasons
 are different in each case.

European contruction and structured cabling system laws work the same 
way, sort of. It is required that every cabling go inside these 
pipes (canaletas) or dedicated tubes, but as you can see, these 
cabling carriers provide separated sections for every type of cable. 
For instance, the distance between S/F/UTP cables and current lines (AC)  
(220V) has to be 20 cm and can reach up to 1 m for 5 KVA power lines.

 The fact that your electrical code allows you to run power and data
 cables in the same conduit explains your preference for shielded cable.

Conduit is the same but they're insulated. 

  And now maybe you understand why nobody in the US has used STP for a
 couple of decades.

No, I can't see why is not that popular within the US, there are many 
advantadges for having shielded cables because external interferences -
that are not always under your control- still apply (e.g., wireless 
connections, proximity to high power lines or electrical equipments...) 
whose effects can be properly minimized with cabling shielding. 

The higher prices of the cables, the needing for a careful installation 
and the less flexibility to manipulate the cables are some of the reasons 
that make FTP/STP solutions not be widely applied.

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Re: Openbox window manager

2012-02-04 Thread Sian Mountbatten

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:47:58 +0100
Michael Heerdegen michael_heerde...@web.de wrote:

 Hi,
 
 altering ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml should be sufficient.  I use the
 setup you want since many months and never had problems.
 
 Are you sure your rc.xml is being read and doesn't contain errors?
 If you make other changes in your ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml, do they
 show an effect (you can use the Reconfigure entry from the
 root-menu (typically right mouse key) to check - you need not to
 restart openbox or X).
 
 
 - Michael
 
Well, after switching the machine off last night and switching it
on this morning, something seems to have happened. The A-F
behaviour has gone. Thank you for your help.

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the disappear of taskbar ( was: system locks, was was: something weird)


How could set the taskbar back,

for everything. I used to have the taskbar at the top.

Thanks for suggestions,

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Re: Software-upgrades not installable due to APT-misconfiguration ?

2012-02-04 Thread Andreas Gläser

Lisi lisi.reisz at gmail.com writes:

 
 On Tuesday 31 January 2012 07:50:48 Andreas Glaeser wrote:
  I really prefer using Gmane to getting all those raw E-mail messages. There
  is far too much traffic on that list of yours.
 
 A valid decision.  But at that rate it is not much use complaining to the 
 list 
 if you don't like what Gmane does!!
 
 Lisi
 
 


I was merely admitting that even a computer professional as myself might have
problems in certain situations. The more trained and the more specialized you
are, the more likely it is that such situations appear.
Is complaining about what Gmane does not do for me also valid? It does not tell
me for example, how many times people asked for news about me there, or who
might have done so. It will neither cook coffee for me, nor water my plants for
me, when I take a vacation.


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Re: Openbox window manager

2012-02-04 Thread Sian Mountbatten

Tony Baldwin wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 10:07:06PM +, Sian Mountbatten wrote:
 I find that exceedingly odd.
 I am using openbox on squeeze.
 All I did was change the keybindings in ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml
 and Alt-F4 does nothing here.
 
 I've pasted my rc.xml here:
 http://tonybaldwin.me/hax/doku.php?id=misc:obrcxml
Thank you for that.

 I've got an editor which uses the function keys and I am happy with
 it. It's openbox which has to be altered.
 I understand that.

 One reason I detest emacs (vi vi vi), is that bindings it uses conflict
 with some that I've added to my rc.xml and use regularly for openbox.
 (sort of the opposite, I reject an editor for conflicting with my wm).
Problem solved. Now that openbox no longer uses that key, I've discovered
that my editor uses it to end its session!

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Re: the disappear of taskbar ( was: system locks, was was: something weird)


On Saturday 04,February,2012 09:11 PM, lina wrote:

How could set the taskbar back,



is it relevant to the xfce4-panel?

$ dpkg --get-selections | grep panel
gir1.2-panelapplet-4.0  install
gnome-panel-datainstall
libpanel-applet-4-0 install
libpanel-applet2-0  install
xfce4-panel install



for everything. I used to have the taskbar at the top.

Thanks for suggestions,

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Re: [OT] how to take care of hand

2012-02-04 Thread Arnt Karlsen

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:18:55 +0800, lina wrote in message 
4f2ca39f.70...@gmail.com:

 On Saturday 04,February,2012 03:15 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
  On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 18:57, linalina.lastn...@gmail.com  wrote:
  Hi,
 
  are there some suggestions about how to take care of hand?
 
  for weeks, I felt the hand especially the thumb get strengh-less
  in typing, and kinda of stiff,
 
  I can't avoid using mouse ( even has changed to a light one) and
  keyboard, googled some way, a bit horrible, someone even said need
  do operations.
 
  are there some good way of avoiding it. 3 years ago I once had,
  but gone within week. now I get handache about it.
 
  just curious about the answer, thanks,
 
 
 
  Hi Lina, I suffer from manual disability (inoperable right thumb)
  and my hands hurt (especially the left) after extending typing.
  Here is how I cope:
 
  1) I put my index fingers on D and K instead of F and J. This not
  only leads to better posture, but it removes much work from the
  weak pinky fingers and transfers it to the strong index fingers.
  Also, the Enter, Tab, Shift, Esc and other keys are much closer.
 
  2) I use VIM, which although has a terrible learning curve lets me
  keep my hands on the home row. I use Anki to learn VIM, and it is
  going great.
 
  3) I swapped CapsLock and Esc keys. Now Esc is closer, which I use
  often due to VIM.
 
  4) I take frequent breaks. RSIBreak in KDE helps me, in Gnome you
  have the excellent Workrave applications.
 
  5) I often swap between two very different keyboards: one
  low-pressure split keyboard, and a conventional-layout board with
  mechanical (Cherry) switches. I take care not to bottom out.
 
  6) To prevent from bottoming out, I often swap between Colemak and
  QWERTY. The confusion slows me down and makes me more conscientious
  of my typing.
 
  7) I stopped using my phone one handed! The terrible contortions
  necessary to use the phone was actually hurting my hands, I found.
  Now one hand holds the phone, and the other operates the buttons.
 
  8) I brush my teeth with my left hand. This is partly due to my
  manual disability in the right thumb, but it also helps strengthen
  the left arm a bit. Men might find that other right-arm activities
  should be moved to the left arm whenever possible or practical.
 
  9) I just bought a pair of Baoding balls. I have yet to see if they
  help, actually right now they hurt, but I will keep at it.
 
  10) I take Omega 3 pills. These reduce any swelling in the left
  hand, and make it more comfortable to type.
 
  11) I notice that I grip pens and eating utensils very stiffly. I
  now contentiously try to reduce that pressure.
 
  12) I take great care not to hit anything with my hands. Even
  pushing open the door to the building is now done by first placing
  my hand on the door, then pushing. Or with my foot if nobody sees
  me!
 
 Thanks all, for your warm suggestions.
 
 I am sorry about Dotan's right thumb. It might be hard.
 
 Now I drag my laptop near me, before I put it a bit far,
 unconsciously to reduce radition (might be wrong). Thanks for Juan's
 suggestion.
 
 also practise the left hand control the mouse,
 
 It's a bit hard to put index fingers not on F and J. I barely looked
 at keyboard for years already. i will try.

..if you're changing your keyboard habits anyway, follow the 
dvorak advice, it's a more dramatic change that will help stop 
you from falling back into your bad qwerty habits, also because 
it's about 40% speedier once you're up to speed. 

..being 40% quicker, means you can do 5 days work in 3 days, 
or use those 2 more days a week to come up with wiser ideas, 
_while_ taking care of your own health, you've only got one. 

..downside is the vim like week_s_ long agony while you learn.  
Consider it an investment in your career and health. ;o)

 
 installing the workrave now.
 
 
 Thanks again for the kind suggestions,
 
 


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Re: [OT] how to take care of hand


On Saturday 04,February,2012 09:33 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:18:55 +0800, lina wrote in message
4f2ca39f.70...@gmail.com:


On Saturday 04,February,2012 03:15 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 18:57, linalina.lastn...@gmail.com   wrote:

Hi,

are there some suggestions about how to take care of hand?

for weeks, I felt the hand especially the thumb get strengh-less
in typing, and kinda of stiff,

I can't avoid using mouse ( even has changed to a light one) and
keyboard, googled some way, a bit horrible, someone even said need
do operations.

are there some good way of avoiding it. 3 years ago I once had,
but gone within week. now I get handache about it.

just curious about the answer, thanks,




Hi Lina, I suffer from manual disability (inoperable right thumb)
and my hands hurt (especially the left) after extending typing.
Here is how I cope:

1) I put my index fingers on D and K instead of F and J. This not
only leads to better posture, but it removes much work from the
weak pinky fingers and transfers it to the strong index fingers.
Also, the Enter, Tab, Shift, Esc and other keys are much closer.

2) I use VIM, which although has a terrible learning curve lets me
keep my hands on the home row. I use Anki to learn VIM, and it is
going great.

3) I swapped CapsLock and Esc keys. Now Esc is closer, which I use
often due to VIM.

4) I take frequent breaks. RSIBreak in KDE helps me, in Gnome you
have the excellent Workrave applications.

5) I often swap between two very different keyboards: one
low-pressure split keyboard, and a conventional-layout board with
mechanical (Cherry) switches. I take care not to bottom out.

6) To prevent from bottoming out, I often swap between Colemak and
QWERTY. The confusion slows me down and makes me more conscientious
of my typing.

7) I stopped using my phone one handed! The terrible contortions
necessary to use the phone was actually hurting my hands, I found.
Now one hand holds the phone, and the other operates the buttons.

8) I brush my teeth with my left hand. This is partly due to my
manual disability in the right thumb, but it also helps strengthen
the left arm a bit. Men might find that other right-arm activities
should be moved to the left arm whenever possible or practical.

9) I just bought a pair of Baoding balls. I have yet to see if they
help, actually right now they hurt, but I will keep at it.

10) I take Omega 3 pills. These reduce any swelling in the left
hand, and make it more comfortable to type.

11) I notice that I grip pens and eating utensils very stiffly. I
now contentiously try to reduce that pressure.

12) I take great care not to hit anything with my hands. Even
pushing open the door to the building is now done by first placing
my hand on the door, then pushing. Or with my foot if nobody sees
me!


Thanks all, for your warm suggestions.

I am sorry about Dotan's right thumb. It might be hard.

Now I drag my laptop near me, before I put it a bit far,
unconsciously to reduce radition (might be wrong). Thanks for Juan's
suggestion.

also practise the left hand control the mouse,

It's a bit hard to put index fingers not on F and J. I barely looked
at keyboard for years already. i will try.


..if you're changing your keyboard habits anyway, follow the
dvorak advice, it's a more dramatic change that will help stop
you from falling back into your bad qwerty habits, also because
it's about 40% speedier once you're up to speed.


You mean, put index finger on D and K?


..being 40% quicker, means you can do 5 days work in 3 days,
or use those 2 more days a week to come up with wiser ideas,
_while_ taking care of your own health, you've only got one.

..downside is the vim like week_s_ long agony while you learn.
Consider it an investment in your career and health. ;o)



installing the workrave now.


Thanks again for the kind suggestions,








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Re: [OT] how to take care of hand

2012-02-04 Thread Lisi

On Saturday 04 February 2012 13:47:01 lina wrote:
  ..if you're changing your keyboard habits anyway, follow the
  dvorak advice, it's a more dramatic change that will help stop
  you from falling back into your bad qwerty habits, also because
  it's about 40% speedier once you're up to speed.

 You mean, put index finger on D and K?

No, Lina.  He is suggesting that you should try a Dvorak keyboard instead of a 
qwerty one.  If you don't know what a Dvorak keyboard is, there are plenty of 
references in Google and Wikipedia.

Lisi


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lenovo s205 installation problems

2012-02-04 Thread Russell L. Harris

I am trying to install Debian stable (Squeeze, 6.0.4) on a Lenovo
S205, which has an AMD E-350 processor and a 750-Gbyte WD7500BPVT
drive.  The 205 has no internal optical drive, but it does have three
USB ports and one SDHC card slot.

I created a bootable GParted USB flash memory stick.  It booted
successfully, and I used it to partition the drive.

I tried without success to boot the Debian installer from an 8-Gbyte
USB flash memory stick.  I tried two different procedures for creation
of a bootable ROM, but neither worked; the approaches are detailed in:

http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en

Finally, I burned a DVD with the first 6.0.4 DVD image, and then I
used a desktop DVD drive with an external power supply and a
SATA-to-USB2.0 adapter (in lieu of a store-bought external DVD ROM).
That approach was successful, and the installation of Squeeze appeared
to proceed normally.  However, the new system would not boot.

I now am searching with Google to resolve several issues, primarily:

(1) The Debian installer defaults to the 2.6-amd64 kernel, but offers
2.6-686 and 2.6-486.  I plan to run mostly XEmacs and TeXLive, but
also IceWeasel for browsing and the occasion YouTube video.  So is
it good to install the amd64 kernel?



(2) The BIOS setup gives two options for SATA Controller working
mode; they are AHCI and IDE (compatible mode).  Some of the
articles I found on this matter recommend IDE mode unless there is a
need for RAID; other articles recommend AHCI unless the OS release
date is pre-2007.  Some articles warn against changing the mode after
installation; at least one article argues to the contrary.  Which mode
should I use?  Is selection of the wrong mode causing the failure of
GRUB to boot?



(3) During installation, the only USB port which appears to be active
is the port feeding the DVD drive.  Aside from the minor inconvenience
of being unable to use a full-size external USB keyboard for the
installation, I am unable to provide missing firmware (namely,
rt1_nic/rt18105e-1fw) on removable media during the installation.

I tried plugging the DVD drive into one USB port and the external USB
keyboard into another USB port, but only the drive was recognized.

Next, I tried plugging in only the external (Logitec) keyboard, but
the S205 BIOS appears not to recognize it, even for navigating the
BIOS screens and menus.

I also tried using an external (powered) USB hub, with the DVD drive
and the external USB keyboard plugged into the hub; the S205 booted from
the DVD drive, but did not recognize the USB keyboard.

If ever I get the machine running Debian, I need an external mouse
(wired or wireless), so I need all of the USB ports to be functional.
What is the key?

RLH


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Re: Netinstall cannot find wireless access points

2012-02-04 Thread Jan Moskyto Matejka

  Wireless internet works from the same computer in windows with WPA2-PSK,
  AES.
  
  Is there a way to make the installer find my network?
 
 The installer can only deal with WEP encrytpion:
 
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en#network-cards
 
 ***
 Support for encrypted wireless during installation is currently limited 
 to WEP. If your access point uses stronger encryption, it cannot be used 
 during the installation process. 
 ***

Is this the long-time-final state, or does anybody plan to add support
of more encryption methods?

MQ
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Re: [OT] how to take care of hand



On 4 Feb, 2012, at 21:56, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Saturday 04 February 2012 13:47:01 lina wrote:
 ..if you're changing your keyboard habits anyway, follow the
 dvorak advice, it's a more dramatic change that will help stop
 you from falling back into your bad qwerty habits, also because
 it's about 40% speedier once you're up to speed.
 
 You mean, put index finger on D and K?
 
 No, Lina.  He is suggesting that you should try a Dvorak keyboard instead of 
 a 
 qwerty one.  If you don't know what a Dvorak keyboard is, there are plenty of 
 references in Google and Wikipedia.

Thanks.  I do know so little.  

Best regards,
 
 Lisi
 
 
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kernel failure/oops

2012-02-04 Thread Curt

Booted the machine this afternoon, and in gnome I get a message that
goes something like this: Your kernel has had a failure, do you wish to
send the stack trace to kerneloops.org (or whatever)?  I said yes.  

Here is the oops/trace (if those are the proper terms) from /var/log/kern.log:

Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.796893] [ cut here 
]
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.796913] WARNING: at 
/build/buildd-linux-2.6_2.6.32-41-amd64-ReqhZF
/linux-2.6-2.6.32/debian/build/source_amd64_none/fs/fs-writeback.c:1122 
__mark_inode_dirty+0xe7/0x14a()
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.796920] Hardware name: Aspire X1430
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.796923] Modules linked in: loop(+) 
snd_hda_codec_realtek snd_hda_c
odec_atihdmi snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwdep snd_pcm snd_seq snd_timer 
snd_seq_device rfkill psmouse
 snd i2c_piix4 serio_raw led_class pcspkr evdev soundcore fglrx(P) wmi 
snd_page_alloc i2c_core button proc
essor ext3 jbd mbcache sg sr_mod sd_mod crc_t10dif cdrom ata_generic 
usb_storage r8168 pata_atiixp ohci_hc
d ahci thermal libata ehci_hcd r8169 mii thermal_sys scsi_mod usbcore nls_base 
[last unloaded: scsi_wait_s
can]
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.796993] Pid: 763, comm: udisks-part-id 
Tainted: P   2.6.32
-5-amd64 #1
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.796998] Call Trace:
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797008]  [811088bb] ? 
__mark_inode_dirty+0xe7/0x14a
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797016]  [811088bb] ? 
__mark_inode_dirty+0xe7/0x14a
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797024]  [8104df9c] ? 
warn_slowpath_common+0x77/0xa3
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797033]  [811088bb] ? 
__mark_inode_dirty+0xe7/0x14a
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797042]  [810ffe04] ? 
touch_atime+0xfe/0x127
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797050]  [810b5b40] ? 
generic_file_aio_read+0x499/0x536
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797058]  [810eee91] ? 
do_sync_read+0xce/0x113
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797066]  [8106502a] ? 
autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x2e
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797074]  [810ccdd2] ? 
handle_mm_fault+0x35c/0x80f
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797081]  [810ef8b4] ? 
vfs_read+0xa6/0xff
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797087]  [810ef9c9] ? 
sys_read+0x45/0x6e
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797095]  [81010b42] ? 
system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
Feb  4 14:41:52 einstein kernel: [6.797099] ---[ end trace ab2cb3c5007e88c2 
]---

Is there anybody who can tell me what this signifies?  This machine is
two months old.

I have the feeling that nobody will be able to say whether this is
hardware, software, bad karma, or all of the above.  There will be
nothing to do but ensure proper backups have been made and wait.

Anyway.


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Re: the disappear of taskbar ( was: system locks, was was: something weird)

I un-install and re-install the xfce4 not work.

which are the possible way I can do to drag task bar a bit down.

Thanks,

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM, lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Saturday 04,February,2012 09:11 PM, lina wrote:

 How could set the taskbar back,


 is it relevant to the xfce4-panel?

 $ dpkg --get-selections | grep panel
 gir1.2-panelapplet-4.0                          install
 gnome-panel-data                                install
 libpanel-applet-4-0                             install
 libpanel-applet2-0                              install
 xfce4-panel                                     install



 for everything. I used to have the taskbar at the top.

 Thanks for suggestions,

 best regards,




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Re: the disappear of taskbar ( was: system locks, was was: something weird)

2012-02-04 Thread Dougie Nisbet


On 04/02/2012 14:18, lina wrote:

I un-install and re-install the xfce4 not work.

which are the possible way I can do to drag task bar a bit down.


If you mean, drag the toolbar from the top of the screen to the bottom 
of the screen, I don't think it's possible. Or if it is possible, it's 
not simple.


It might just as easy to delete Panel 1 then Add a New Panel 1. That's 
what I did and that's what I've read others do when I did a websearch 
(can't find the links at the moment).


Dougie


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Re: Netinstall cannot find wireless access points

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:19:56 +0100, Jan Moskyto Matejka wrote:

  Wireless internet works from the same computer in windows with
  WPA2-PSK, AES.
  
  Is there a way to make the installer find my network?
 
 The installer can only deal with WEP encrytpion:
 
 http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en#network-
cards
 
 ***
 Support for encrypted wireless during installation is currently limited
 to WEP. If your access point uses stronger encryption, it cannot be
 used during the installation process.
 ***
 
 Is this the long-time-final state, or does anybody plan to add support
 of more encryption methods?

I can't tell... maybe you can ask to debian-boot mailing list, query 
for the current status and offer your help for testing whatever needed.

AFAICT, WEP is still the only option in wheezy.

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Re: Something weird

2012-02-04 Thread Lisi

On Saturday 04 February 2012 10:23:42 lina wrote:
 Do I need install anti virus package on Debian.  

Lina -

If you are asking whether this problem might be due to a virus, the answer is 
that it is extremely unlikely.  I have a virus-checker on my Debian machine, 
but it is to protect my Windows using friends, not to protect myself.

Lisi


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Re: System locks

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:34:13 +0800, lina wrote:

 On Saturday 04,February,2012 06:38 PM, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:00:52 +0800, lina wrote:

 Hi,

 Lina, next time try to choose a more descriptive subject :-)
 
 Yes. ^_^
 
 For everything the top taskbar was gone. Everything started with mean
 bars.
 
 After reboot twice, I can input. but the cursor still an empty
 rectangle.
 
 before I did not change anything.

Create a new user and login with it to see what happens.

 When the system locks, try to login from ssh and see what happens. If
 you can login normally, it can be X that crashes.
 
 My Desktop a bit crashed due to last time update, it's unstable version.
 I have not tried to figure out what was going on, just put it aside for
 a while. so now I can't use ssh.
 
 seems no need use ssh.

Having the ssh option is always a must. Is that you can't login via ssh 
or is that you have not configure your system to be accessible by means 
of ssh?

 Also, review the logs for any insightful errors.
 
 which logs should I focus on?
 
 something about the screen move up?
 
 thanks, it's so nice to have yours guys on list, otherwise I will freak
 out.

Logs I would look at: /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages, dmesg and your 
~/.xsession-errors.log

But Lina, if you're running unstable the problem can have many sources: a 
bug in a package, a package not updated, a kernel soft lock, an X 
problem... so first, I would try to login with no X (init 1) and check if 
things go better in there.

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Re: My network speed is only 10MB

2012-02-04 Thread Stan Hoeppner

On 2/4/2012 6:53 AM, Camaleón wrote:

 No, I can't see why is not that popular within the US, there are many 
 advantadges for having shielded cables because external interferences -
 that are not always under your control- still apply (e.g., wireless 
 connections, proximity to high power lines or electrical equipments...) 
 whose effects can be properly minimized with cabling shielding. 

These same effects are eliminated, in the US, by installation standards.
 These are are always under the control of the installer/contractor.
There is no guess work involved and everything is predictable and under
your control.

Wireless signals do not affect UTP ethernet cabling.  Proximity to
internal AC cabling, induction sources such as power distribution
closets, AC motors, florescent lights, etc, is avoided during building
construction or retrofit, because the cable plant is included in the
architectural design, just like water pipes, sewer pipes, electrical
conduit, etc.

In the US, in the case of environments such as manufacturing floors etc
with horrific EMI levels, fiber is used instead of UTP CAT5/6.  With EFI
levels that high, even STP won't save you.

In summary, when installed correctly, UTP ethernet cable is superior to
STP, due to the lower cost of the cable, connectors, and patch panels,
and labor.

Something worth mentioning is that over the past 10-12 years, a high
percentage of new large office buildings and high rise apartments
constructed in the US have had 100% fiber cable plants, no copper
whatsoever, even including fiber into the cubicles.  The only copper UTP
in such facilities being patch cables from servers to core switches and
between switch stacks.  Note that datacenter copper is not part of the
cable plant.  Cable plant is the slang term for structural cable
installation, plant used as a verb, analogous to planting tomatoes in
one's garden.

Cost is one of the drivers.  Today a 1000ft spool of 62.5/125 multimode
fiber is equivalent or cheaper than CAT6a UTP.  The installation labor
is about the same as UTP.  We'll continue to see more fiber to the
desktop as the cost of copper continues to increase.  The switch cost in
an all fiber plant is higher per port due to the multimode transceivers,
but not prohibitively so when purchased in volume.

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Re: Something weird

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Saturday 04 February 2012 10:23:42 lina wrote:
 Do I need install anti virus package on Debian.

 Lina -

 If you are asking whether this problem might be due to a virus, the answer is
 that it is extremely unlikely.  I have a virus-checker on my Debian machine,
 but it is to protect my Windows using friends, not to protect myself.

Thanks, this afternoon before the problem I visited one website I have
never visited before. It should be no problem.

Just a bit weird to me and I am little worried. cause even I have a
virus I don't know how to check.

Thanks again,

 Lisi


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Re: System locks

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 20:34:13 +0800, lina wrote:

On Saturday 04,February,2012 06:38 PM, Camaleón wrote:
On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 18:00:52 +0800, lina wrote:

Hi,

Lina, next time try to choose a more descriptive subject :-)

Yes. ^_^

For everything the top taskbar was gone. Everything started with mean
bars.

After reboot twice, I can input. but the cursor still an empty
rectangle.

before I did not change anything.

Create a new user and login with it to see what happens.

You are amazing.

I creat a new user, everything looks so good.

I choose to use default panel configuration.

Do I need copy somefile from newuser to lina?

When the system locks, try to login from ssh and see what happens. If
you can login normally, it can be X that crashes.

My Desktop a bit crashed due to last time update, it's unstable version.
I have not tried to figure out what was going on, just put it aside for
a while. so now I can't use ssh.

seems no need use ssh.

Having the ssh option is always a must. Is that you can't login via ssh
or is that you have not configure your system to be accessible by means
of ssh?

The ssh has no problem,

just the only desktop nearby I can use to set ssh crashed, no graphic
driver, it's nvidia, in sid.

Also, review the logs for any insightful errors.

which logs should I focus on?

something about the screen move up?

thanks, it's so nice to have yours guys on list, otherwise I will freak
out.

Logs I would look at: /var/log/syslog, /var/log/messages, dmesg and your
~/.xsession-errors.log

But Lina, if you're running unstable the problem can have many sources: a
bug in a package, a package not updated, a kernel soft lock, an X
problem... so first, I would try to login with no X (init 1) and check if
things go better in there.

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Re: ipw2100 firmware issues of random network connection lost.

El 2012-02-03 a las 16:18 -0500, Daryl escribió:

(resending to the list)

 On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:09:32 -0500, Daryl wrote:
 
   I'm currently running debian unstable, but have tried stable as well to
   try and narrow down my issue.  As of current when I'm connected to my
   lan my network card works properly for a while then will drop out.  The
   card I'm using uses the the ipw2100 firmware which from researching a
   bit has firmware failures and requires the kernel module be unloaded and
   loaded again to reset it to get it work again.  Just wondering if anyone
   might have ran into this same problem and found a work around or fix for
   this problem.
 
  Have you tried with different firmware versions? If you find an older
  version keeps the link stable, you can report a bug against the new
  firmware.

 I'm kinda new to the kernel module world, would I use backports to get the
 older version to try?

I said nothing about the kernel but the firmware package :-)

I would try to load a different firmware version (firmware-ipw2x00), 
that is, is now you have 0.35, try with 0.34 or lower. The files can be 
located here:

http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/firmware-ipw2x00/

If you doubt about the files to download, just ask.

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Re: System locks

snip

Thanks, it's fixed
after aptitude purge xfce4 xfce4-session
and remove some file in .config

I guess there is still remainings, cause once I re-install xfce4 and
xfce4-session,

it came back again.

All your suggestions are highly appreciated,

Best regards,


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Re: [OT] how to take care of hand

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote:
On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:18:55 +0800, lina wrote in message
4f2ca39f.70...@gmail.com:

On Saturday 04,February,2012 03:15 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 18:57, linalina.lastn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,

are there some suggestions about how to take care of hand?

for weeks, I felt the hand especially the thumb get strengh-less
in typing, and kinda of stiff,

I can't avoid using mouse ( even has changed to a light one) and
keyboard, googled some way, a bit horrible, someone even said need
do operations.

are there some good way of avoiding it. 3 years ago I once had,
but gone within week. now I get handache about it.

just curious about the answer, thanks,

Hi Lina, I suffer from manual disability (inoperable right thumb)
and my hands hurt (especially the left) after extending typing.
Here is how I cope:

1) I put my index fingers on D and K instead of F and J. This not
only leads to better posture, but it removes much work from the
weak pinky fingers and transfers it to the strong index fingers.
Also, the Enter, Tab, Shift, Esc and other keys are much closer.

2) I use VIM, which although has a terrible learning curve lets me
keep my hands on the home row. I use Anki to learn VIM, and it is
going great.

3) I swapped CapsLock and Esc keys. Now Esc is closer, which I use
often due to VIM.

4) I take frequent breaks. RSIBreak in KDE helps me, in Gnome you
have the excellent Workrave applications.

5) I often swap between two very different keyboards: one
low-pressure split keyboard, and a conventional-layout board with
mechanical (Cherry) switches. I take care not to bottom out.

6) To prevent from bottoming out, I often swap between Colemak and
QWERTY. The confusion slows me down and makes me more conscientious
of my typing.

7) I stopped using my phone one handed! The terrible contortions
necessary to use the phone was actually hurting my hands, I found.
Now one hand holds the phone, and the other operates the buttons.

8) I brush my teeth with my left hand. This is partly due to my
manual disability in the right thumb, but it also helps strengthen
the left arm a bit. Men might find that other right-arm activities
should be moved to the left arm whenever possible or practical.

9) I just bought a pair of Baoding balls. I have yet to see if they
help, actually right now they hurt, but I will keep at it.

10) I take Omega 3 pills. These reduce any swelling in the left
hand, and make it more comfortable to type.

11) I notice that I grip pens and eating utensils very stiffly. I
now contentiously try to reduce that pressure.

12) I take great care not to hit anything with my hands. Even
pushing open the door to the building is now done by first placing
my hand on the door, then pushing. Or with my foot if nobody sees
me!

Thanks all, for your warm suggestions.

I am sorry about Dotan's right thumb. It might be hard.

Now I drag my laptop near me, before I put it a bit far,
unconsciously to reduce radition (might be wrong). Thanks for Juan's
suggestion.

also practise the left hand control the mouse,

It's a bit hard to put index fingers not on F and J. I barely looked
at keyboard for years already. i will try.

..if you're changing your keyboard habits anyway, follow the
dvorak advice, it's a more dramatic change that will help stop
you from falling back into your bad qwerty habits, also because
it's about 40% speedier once you're up to speed.

..being 40% quicker, means you can do 5 days work in 3 days,
or use those 2 more days a week to come up with wiser ideas,
_while_ taking care of your own health, you've only got one.

..downside is the vim like week_s_ long agony while you learn.
Consider it an investment in your career and health. ;o)

How do I start the dvorak?
sorry I just started finishing reading the wikipage about dvorak.

thanks ahead for any suggestions.

This list is very helpful.

installing the workrave now.

Thanks again for the kind suggestions,

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Re: Several errors on the start up

2012-02-04 Thread Stayvoid

 I wonder if gNewSense have a dedicated mailing list... hum, it seems that
 yes ;-)
I've experienced some technical problems with that list.

 Despite the messages, what's the problem you are experiencing? No video
 output?
The messages themselves are not good. I want to know the cause of the problems.

For some reason X is not working too: http://dpaste.com/697488/

 This is a known issue. You can safely omit the warning.
Thanks. It worked.

 What did you try exactly?
I can't remember.
For example: I've tried to enable drm-related features in the kernel,
but it didn't work out.


Cheers.


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Re: System locks

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:59:13 +0800, lina wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

 For everything the top taskbar was gone. Everything started with mean
 bars.

 After reboot twice, I can input. but the cursor still an empty
 rectangle.

 before I did not change anything.

 Create a new user and login with it to see what happens.
 
 You are amazing.
 
 I creat a new user, everything looks so good.
 
 I choose to use default panel configuration.
 
 Do I need copy somefile from newuser to lina?

I can't tell where to look for XFCE because I don't know where it stores 
the user settings :-?, but if another user works fine it means that 
something has been messed up for your usual profile.

Greetings,

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Re: System locks

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:59:13 +0800, lina wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote:

 For everything the top taskbar was gone. Everything started with mean
 bars.

 After reboot twice, I can input. but the cursor still an empty
 rectangle.

 before I did not change anything.

 Create a new user and login with it to see what happens.

 You are amazing.

 I creat a new user, everything looks so good.

 I choose to use default panel configuration.

 Do I need copy somefile from newuser to lina?

 I can't tell where to look for XFCE because I don't know where it stores
 the user settings :-?, but if another user works fine it means that
 something has been messed up for your usual profile.


Yes, the bad is that I don't know which one is directly related to it,
without xfce4, there is a shacky screen when I start something.


 Greetings,

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Re: Several errors on the start up

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:19:52 +0300, Stayvoid wrote:

 I wonder if gNewSense have a dedicated mailing list... hum, it seems
 that yes ;-)
 I've experienced some technical problems with that list.
 
 Despite the messages, what's the problem you are experiencing? No video
 output?
 The messages themselves are not good. I want to know the cause of the
 problems.

Kernel messages can be verbose but harmless.

 For some reason X is not working too: http://dpaste.com/697488/

Upload the full /var/log/Xorg.0.log file and also dmesg so we can 
check it.

What kind of VGA card do you have?
 
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Re: My network speed is only 10MB

2012-02-04 Thread John Hasler

Stan Hoeppner writes:
 In the US, in the case of environments such as manufacturing floors
 etc with horrific EMI levels, fiber is used instead of UTP CAT5/6.
 With EFI levels that high, even STP won't save you.

STP can make things worse as almost nobody knows how to terminate
shields in such a way as to avoid ground loops.
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Re: [OT] how to take care of hand - dvorak

2012-02-04 Thread Russell L. Harris

* lina lina.lastn...@gmail.com [120204 16:12]:
 
 How do I start the dvorak?
 sorry I just started finishing reading the wikipage about dvorak.


From the Gnome desktop, use the system - preferences - keyboard -
layouts menu to select USA Dvorak (a regrettable compromise) or USA
Classic Dvorak (the original and best).

Just use whatever keyboard you presently are using.  Print out a copy
of the Dvorak or Dvorak Classic layout, and then refer to the printout
and ignore the keycaps.

It does not take many hours to learn the layout, because Dvorak
designed it to be intuitive (at least, for those whose native language
is English).

Don't become discouraged during the first few hours.  Remember that
the QWERTY layout was purposely designed to slow the typist.  It is
claimed that almost any random key arrangement is easier for the
typist than is the QWERTY layout.

RLH


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Re: [OT] how to take care of hand - dvorak