Re: Presentació
Hola! Doncs dispara i a ver-he si et puc ajudar. Si vols pots fer la consulta al correu: davidpeny...@gmail.com, igualment a la web http://www.ochobitshacenunbyte.com tincs articles que tracten el tema. Salut! 2013/3/2 Serotonina EH serotonin...@riseup.net Una pregunta, utilitzas Proxmox? Estic bastant interesat en que fem alguns tallers sobre proxmox David Peña david.pe...@digital-text.com ha escrit: Hola! Hem presento, sóc en David i visc al Vallès Occidental, tot i que per feina estic bastant per Barcelona. Actualment treballo en una empresa editorial al departament de sistemes. De fet des-de que estic he aconseguit treure una mica la windows dependència i hem instal·lat varis servidors amb Linux, sobre tot Debian, tant com servidor FTP físic, com servidors virtuals per serveis de correu amb Postfix, Wikis, Inventaris amb OCS i control de màquines critiques amb Nagios. M'asembla molt bona idea el tema de quedar en un local. Imagino que ja anirem concretant. Salut! 2013/3/2 serotoninaeh serotonin...@riseup.net Ens veiem alla llavors... El 02/03/13 14:13, a...@probeta.net escribió: A 2013-03-02 14:01, serotoninaeh escrigué: Es molt interessant la teva proposta!! Jo encantat! El local que comentaves aquí pertany? A part a Gracia conec variïs llocs que no posarien cap mena de pega i estarien encantats, entre ells son La Barraqueta, El Casal de Joves de Gracia, LaTorna , Llibreria Aldarull entre altres , apart com dèiem es pot anar fent a diferents llocs crec que es el interessant Per exemple a Sabadell al Casal Independentista Cancapablanca fa temps que volíem fer uns tallers, així que per llocs no falten, només reactivar un col·lectiu que promoguem Gnu-Linux i com no espai tipus Hackerspace on poder junta a diferent gent. Desde fa temps penso que la gent que estem promoguem el softlliure estem estancats en ghettos (amb tot el respecte) i que fa falta conscienciació i ajudar a que la comunitat creixi molt mes, tinc variïs projectes que en tot cas parlarem mes endavant. Però primer el primer. Busquem una data per xerrar? Jo demà diumenge havia de corregir molts exàmens però pensava fer-ho al solet, a Can Masdeu (M Canyelles) http://www.canmasdeu.net/ I per casualitat he vist que una de les activitats de Can Masdeu demà a la tarda és una xerrada sobre ciberactivisme, un tema del que fa molts anys que estic desconnectat: 16 – 18h: Xerra-taller: Tàctiques d'acció 2.0 en el *ciber-espai i en l'espai físic Del que hem après a la Xarxa i de com es pot extrapolar a tots els espais de lluita... Internet no és només una eina, és una època històrica. El desenvolupament tecnològic modifica les formes d'organització, de pensar i de veure el món. Internet és una eina i un camp de batalla. Internet no és “per fer-me publicitat”, és per compartir i relacionar inputs, és l'oportunitat d'actuar diferent i canviar les regles del joc. Compte! Nota per millorar la comprensió: El que diem a Internet és rellevant només si incideix fora de la xarxa. Nota per millorar la comprensió encara més: quan diem “incidir fora” no ens referim a muntar manis, sinó a canviar el món… però això esperem que quedi clar durant la xerrada-taller. Jo estaré per allà. Suposo que és massa precipitat com per que sigui alhora una trobada de la gent que estem interessats en això que et comentes, però si et passes ens podem trobar i xerrar una mica. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-catalan-REQUEST@**lists.debian.orgdebian-user-catalan-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/**5131fd67.7070...@riseup.nethttp://lists.debian.org/5131fd67.7070...@riseup.net -- Enviado desde mi teléfono con K-9 Mail. -- David Peña Administrador Sistemes Informàtics *Telf. 93 376 36 36* www.digital-text.com david.pe...@digital-text.com Aquest correu electrònic i els seus fitxers adjunts contenen informació de caràcter confidencial exclusivament dirigida als seus destinataris. En cas d'haver rebut aquest correu per error, li demanem que ens el reenviï immediatament a aquesta adreça electrònica o ens ho notifiqui al telèfon (+34) 902 876 396. En queda prohibida la divulgació, còpia o distribució a tercers sense l'autorització prèvia i per escrit del titular. D’acord amb el que s'estableix a la Llei orgànica 15/1999, de 13 de desembre, de protecció de dades de caràcter personal, AULA DIGITAL-TEXT SL garanteix l’adopció de les mesures necessàries per a la protecció de les seves dades personals i la seva adreça de correu electrònic. Este correo electrónico y sus ficheros adjuntos contienen información de carácter confidencial exclusivamente dirigida a sus destinatarios. En caso de haber recibido este correo por error, le rogamos que lo reenvíe inmediatamente a esta misma dirección o nos lo notifique al teléfono (+34) 902 876 396. Queda prohibida su
Re: resultat different d'un script appele par cron ou en console
On 01/03/2013 23:15, C Diaz wrote: Bonsoir, Mon problème du jour, un script, appelé par cron, ne donne pas le même résultat que si je l'exécute dans une console. Ce ne serait pas cron qui lance ton script avec bash/dash et en console que ce soit le contraire. -- F.Mescam -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kgv13p$f4q$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: resultat different d'un script appele par cron ou en console
Le 03/03/2013 09:20, Francois Mescam a écrit : On 01/03/2013 23:15, C Diaz wrote: Bonsoir, Mon problème du jour, un script, appelé par cron, ne donne pas le même résultat que si je l'exécute dans une console. Ce ne serait pas cron qui lance ton script avec bash/dash et en console que ce soit le contraire. Bonjour, Tiens, dash, c'est la première fois que j'en entends parler. Pourtant mon script appelé par cron commence bien par #! /bin/bash Si cron utilise dash par défaut, je ne vais pas trop y toucher, il y peut-être une bonne raison à ce choix. Christophe -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51330e80.9050...@laposte.net
Re: resultat different d'un script appele par cron ou en console
Le 03/03/2013 02:06, Vincent Lefevre a écrit : .../... Autre chose... Est-ce que les deux commandes suivantes donnent la même sortie? /sbin/tune2fs -l fichier_enregistrant_la_sortie /sbin/tune2fs -l | cat fichier_enregistrant_la_sortie (Certains utilitaires perdent des données avec un pipe sous certaines conditions.) Oui les deux commandes dans un script appelé par cron donnent la même chose, ce n'est donc pas pipe qui pose problème. Christophe -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51330f1f.9020...@laposte.net
Re: mplayer détection de plus de flux
Le Sun, 03 Mar 2013 02:40:02 +0100, Raphaël POITEVIN a écrit : Je suis un mécréant : il me regarde mais ne m'aide pas (il rigole de me malheurs). Je mettrai un cierge demain matin quand l'église sera ouverte. Ça peut peut-être marché ! non -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51330d18$0$2211$426a7...@news.free.fr
Raspberry et réseaux
Bonjour à tous, Je test une raspberry pi sous raspbian wheezy. Cela fonctionne étonnamment et globalement bien. Je ne parviens cependant à accéder au réseau via le wifi, dés lors que je débranche la rj45. Par contre si le cable éthernet et la clef USB/WiFi sont présents pas de soucis. Existe t'il sur ce news des utilisatuers de raspi ? et si oui, cela vous évoquent ils quelque chose ? Dans l'attente de vous lire, A+ -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51332602$0$21947$426a7...@news.free.fr
Re: Raspberry et réseaux
Le dimanche 03 mars 2013 à 11:27, Bruno a écrit : Bonjour à tous, Bonjour, [...] Existe t'il sur ce news des utilisatuers de raspi ? et si oui, cela vous évoquent ils quelque chose ? Il y en a, oui, mais beaucoup moins que d'utilisateurs de Debian. Ce problème étant certainement très spécifique à Raspbian, tu auras plus de chances de trouver des réponses à tes questions sur les forums Raspbian. D'ailleurs, après une seconde et demi de recherche : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28t=23963p=301220 Seb -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303110215.ga15...@serveur.nob900.homeip.net
Re: HS iptables et set mark pour séparer le trafic par interface
Salut, daniel huhardeaux a écrit : a) iptables ne tient pas compte de -j CONNMARK --set-mark [1|2] mais -j MARK --set-mark [1|2] fonctionne Les deux ne font évidemment pas la même chose. L'option --set-mark de CONNMARK modifie la marque de connexion qui est sans effet sur le routage, alors que celle de MARK modifie la marque de paquet, qui peut influer sur le routage. Pour copier la marque de connexion dans la marque de paquet, il faut utiliser CONNMARK --restore-mark. Tout ceci est expliqué dans la page de manuel d'iptables. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513335c0.1080...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: Raspberry et réseaux
Le dimanche 03 mars 2013 à 11:27, Bruno a écrit : [...] Existe t'il sur ce news des utilisateurs de raspi ? et si oui, cela vous évoquent ils quelque chose ? Bonjour Tu peux contacter les hackerspaces http://www.parinux.org/content/hacklabs Librement, Stef -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFPKLMJTpcogvEpXQxTbDn+i3bvvz8=pyfhevnwhnbtxpso...@mail.gmail.com
Re: resultat different d'un script appele par cron ou en console
Bonjour, On 2013-03-03 09:49:04 +0100, C Diaz wrote: Le 03/03/2013 09:20, Francois Mescam a écrit : Ce ne serait pas cron qui lance ton script avec bash/dash et en console que ce soit le contraire. Tiens, dash, c'est la première fois que j'en entends parler. Pourtant mon script appelé par cron commence bien par #! /bin/bash Si cron utilise dash par défaut, je ne vais pas trop y toucher, il y peut-être une bonne raison à ce choix. Par défaut, cron utilise /bin/sh, qui correspond à dash sur les Debian récentes. Mais c'est pour lancer la commande, qui peut être plus compliquée qu'un nom de script (cf exemples dans la page man crontab(5)). Le script lui-même va être exécuté par bash, sauf si la commande dans le crontab est . nom_du_script, le . étant une commande shell pour exécuter un script dans le shell courant. -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303125259.ga7...@xvii.vinc17.org
Re: resultat different d'un script appele par cron ou en console
On 2013-03-02 10:51:47 +0100, C Diaz wrote: Chez moi ça ne marche pas aussi bien, la commande grep semble plus récalcitrante. Dans le script appelé par cron, /sbin/tune2fs -l fichier_enregistrant_la_sortie fonctionne mais /sbin/tune2fs -l | /bin/grep ma chaine de tri fichier_enregistrant_la_sortie ne fonctionne pas. Les locales peuvent faire une différence, mais il y a également d'autres choses: plus généralement, l'environnement, car grep est sensible à certaines variables d'environnement, listées dans sa page man (e.g. GREP_OPTIONS). Le fait aussi que les commandes soient attachées à un terminal ou non... Autre chose que tu peux tester: /sbin/tune2fs -l fichier_tmp /bin/grep ma chaine de tri fichier_tmp fichier_enregistrant_la_sortie -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303130155.gb7...@xvii.vinc17.org
server backports en ipv6 injoignable
Bonjour, Depuis plusieurs réseaux opérateurs différents, je n'arrive pas à accéder à backports.debian.org en ipv6 2001:858:2:2:214:22ff:fe0d:7717 Cela fait plusieurs jours, je me décide donc à prévenir sauf que pour ce genre de souci, je ne sais trop où lancer l'information. Où faut il déclarer les incidents sur les serveurs repository? Merci signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: server backports en ipv6 injoignable
Salut, Le 03/03/2013 10:31, Wallace a écrit : Où faut il déclarer les incidents sur les serveurs repository? reportbug mirrors Amicalement David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Logiciel QCM + réponses écrites
Bonjour, Le 01/03/2013 23:48, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : Connaissez vous un logiciel OpenSource d'enquêtes, type QCM et avec aussi la possibilité de réponses écrites poir le sondé. http://www.google.com/insights/consumersurveys/home Greg -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513366f2.7000...@gmail.com
Re: server backports en ipv6 injoignable
Salut, Wallace a écrit : Depuis plusieurs réseaux opérateurs différents, je n'arrive pas à accéder à backports.debian.org en ipv6 2001:858:2:2:214:22ff:fe0d:7717 Pour info, depuis Nerim ça a l'air de marcher sur les deux adresses. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51336839.7080...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: Raspberry et réseaux
Le Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:10:01 +0100, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : Il y en a, oui, mais beaucoup moins que d'utilisateurs de Debian. Ce problème étant certainement très spécifique à Raspbian, tu auras plus de chances de trouver des réponses à tes questions sur les forums Raspbian. la Raspbian est une quasiment une Debian Wheezy. Installation un peu particulière sur une SD, c'est presque tout. C'est quif-quif sauf pour le GPIO en plus. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133a3be$0$3744$426a7...@news.free.fr
Re: Raspberry et réseaux
Le Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:10:01 +0100, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : Existe t'il sur ce news des utilisatuers de raspi ? et si oui, cela vous évoquent ils quelque chose ? Il y en a, oui, mais beaucoup moins que d'utilisateurs de Debian. Ce problème étant certainement très spécifique à Raspbian, tu auras plus de chances de trouver des réponses à tes questions sur les forums Raspbian. D'ailleurs, après une seconde et demi de recherche : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php? f=28t=23963p=301220 je te confirme pour le site raspberry. Pour la commutation automatique RJ45/WiFi je m'y suis cassé les dents. Obligé de passer par un reboot. Pour moi cela ne me gène pas. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133a2dc$0$3744$426a7...@news.free.fr
Re: Raspberry et réseaux
On 03 Mar 2013 19:25:50 GMT moi-meme chie...@free.fr wrote: la Raspbian est une quasiment une Debian Wheezy. Installation un peu particulière sur une SD, c'est presque tout. C'est quif-quif sauf pour le GPIO en plus. Ça a l'air pômal du tout, il y a même une image pour FreeSwitch! -- Bricou Ta mère est tellement grosse que même ZFS ne pourrait pas la stocker ! -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303205250.77c903ae@anubis.defcon1
Re: Raspberry et réseaux
Le 03/03/2013 12:10, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : Le dimanche 03 mars 2013 à 11:27, Bruno a écrit : Bonjour à tous, Bonjour, [...] Existe t'il sur ce news des utilisatuers de raspi ? et si oui, cela vous évoquent ils quelque chose ? Il y en a, oui, mais beaucoup moins que d'utilisateurs de Debian. Ce problème étant certainement très spécifique à Raspbian, tu auras plus de chances de trouver des réponses à tes questions sur les forums Raspbian. D'ailleurs, après une seconde et demi de recherche : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28t=23963p=301220 Seb Deux secondes de plus, aurai permis de voir que si ils évoquent le même problème, la solution n'à pas été trouvé ... Merci quand même pour ce lien (j'ai aussi plusieurs fois installé ifplugd, et j'ai la toute dernière version raspbian). A+ -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133b1dd$0$3715$426a3...@news.free.fr
HS²[Re: HS - Client openvpn sur iOS/android]
De (from) (von) no-s...@tootai.net : Pour iPhone je ne saurai répondre. pour Android il y a toujours eu (depuis au moins 3 ans 1/2) des clients OpenVPN, il fallait toutefois chrooter le smartphone. Je l'avais fait et m'étais amuser avec OpenVPN, toutefois la baisse drastique de la batterie m'a rapidement fait abandonner l'application. je me permets de rebondir sur un sujet connexe Je voudrais rooter mon samsung ace plus (sous android donc) mais toute les méthodes que je lis (et y en a un tas) sont sous W$. Y en a-t-il une sous debian ? Merci par avance -- Philippe -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130304020734.GA7990@locahost@localdomain
Re: Rilis Debian Handbook Bahasa Indonesia: Bab 1
terimakasih pak, semoga bermanfaat On Mar 1, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Zaki Akhmad wrote: Salam, Hari ini saya putuskan untuk rilis versi testing, Debian Handbook bahasa Indonesia, bab 1. Bukunya bisa diunduh di sini[1] Silakan diunduh, dibaca, dan dicerminkan ;-) Kata pengantar dari saya bisa dibaca di sini[2]. [1]http://za.cindai.web.id/debian/debian-handbook/id/20130301/ [2]http://blogs.itb.ac.id/zakiakhmad/2013/03/01/rilis-debian-handbook-bahasa-indonesia-bab-1/ Semoga bermanfaat, -- Zaki Akhmad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-indonesian-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cae7ck-qihx6wnt349nrn31fucgvebrpvj+ajfr3rpndikom...@mail.gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-indonesian-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/567d132c-bac6-4b4d-8a73-ed21242db...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] descarga nlite W7
1.-antes que nada kiero agradecer a las criticas constructivas me gusto ese de darle vueltas al diccionario , ;-) je je je ;-) 2do. en segunda no keria responder este troleo que se levanto tras mi critica-reclamo-anglicismo (etc,etc, o como lo kieran definir) por que no kiero colaborar a meterle mas spam a la lista,de ser pocible eliminen este tema, pero esta respuesta creo q puede ser constructiva. 3.-este tema se me ace absurdo que no tiene sentido desperdiciar nuestras mentes, tiempo y valor. creo q simplemete tenemos q dejar a un lado no vale la pena este debate. este es una lista de soporte/ense#ar en debian y PUNTO. ruben , definitivamente estas MUY equibocado de lugar, no vuelvas a acer este tipo de peticion de ayuda o te reportaremos como spam , (...) Creo que te has pasado un poco. Un poco bastante. Y ese tono amenazador que empleas tampoco ayuda :-/ Bien lo dices, creo, yo no lo creo así. genial apoyo ! (Y) No sé a quién te refieres cuando dices reportaremos (en plural), yo no voy a reportar nada a nadie y en todo caso sería informar que reportar es un anglicismo horrible por muy aceptado por la RAE que esté (en mi opinión, erróneamente). Personalmente yo si lo reportaría. encontre apoyo asi que mas de uno piensa como yo que se debe reportar , por eso me adelante y dije en plural ¿De donde has sacado que es un anglicismo?, puede ser usado informar pero ambos estarían correctos. Ya, ok sabes mucho, ayudas mucho, demasiado a veces pero esa es mi opinión, pero ya como que te pasas, das cátedra en todo y a todos, te has transformado en una especie de dueña de la lista en esto de ...la due#a de la lista si lo creo pues ami tambien me pasa , q saber tanto de algo despues uno como persona se vuelve AUTORITARIO, creo q tienes q pensar eso camaleon, es verdad sabes mucho y resuelves muchos problemas , pero en este caso nesecitavas resaltar criticas buenas tambien como que acerte como que el Licenciado ruben.cervantes estaba metiendo off-topin y no solo las malas pareciendo una mujer frustrada [6] (con el devido respeto ) y te informo que no lo eres, si hay algunos que te siguen haya ellos, pero a otros que no nos gusta tu actitud de querer siempre saberlo todo y tener la última palabra en todo. PD. Ohhh hay vida más allá del teclado. en esto estoy muy de acuerdo. siempre empezamos a responder así cuando nos sentimos incómodos, aburridos (tanto responder o trabajo,) , fastidiados, sin ganas de ayudar y simplemente por responder la carta por costumbre. ese es momento de soltar el teclado un rato No me quería meter en este asunto, pero viendo ese esperpento[1] de mensaje, y probablemente, también es un esperpento de persona, si estoy de acuerdo con tigo q soy un esperpento tengo que decir que es una ofensa al idioma leer eso. No sólo con el tono ofensivo, sino que comete tantas faltas de ortografía. tengo mucha falta de ortografia pues nunca tube buenos maestros de espa#ol (exceptuando uno) y sumandole a eso que use mucho el messenger, este es un resultado ¿Seguro lo redactó pensando en su aborrecimiento al Windows? ahun si tengo aborrecimiento a Güindow$ en la mayoria de las veces esta ves NO FUE ASI , en la carta orinal resalte mi motivo de molestia justo ahora tengo que leer 107 cartas de esta lista de correo, y si todos pensaran como tu se conver tirian en 307 o mas! que se apega las normas de la lista [7] a el punto #2, #4 (---no estoy seguro de este), #7, y el mas importante #9 , #10 (este lo aplica altamente en la seccion y otras normas de sentido comun ¿Pues que rayos tiene que pedir nlite para W7 en una lsita de debian?) pero en fin . no sigamos con este tema Hagan un traceroute, emailtracer, o como lo llamen, y verán de dónde mando este mensaje. lo mande de mi debian; $ uname -a Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 i686 GNU/Linux $ icedove -v Icedove 17.0 ¡Ah! Y hagan este ejercicio (lleva sólo 5 minutos): tomen un diccionario, o un tomo de la enciclopedia, cierren los ojos, y denle 5 vueltas, abran una página al azar y coloquen el dedo donde sea. Y lean la palabra y su significado 5 veces. Ayuda bastante. me gusto ese de darle vueltas al diccionario , ;-) je je je ;-) [1]http://www.wordreference.com/definicion/esperpento para finalizar apeguemonos a las normas [7] es un simple recordatorio ( ahorita ) y alguien borre estos temas innecesarios por favor. PD: NO respondan este mensage , ni para defenderse ni para apoyar, gracias [6] http://lema.rae.es/drae/srv/search?id=3cMzQhQBCDXX2wthGzLn [7] http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista#resumen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133107a.7040...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] descarga nlite W7
ni se imaginan cuanto ancho de banda me gastó, recibir este correo,ai alguien se equivoca, haganselo saber pero no lo destruyan con comentarios poco contructivos. El 3 de marzo de 2013 05:57, alexlikerock-Gmail alexliker...@gmail.comescribió: 1.-antes que nada kiero agradecer a las criticas constructivas me gusto ese de darle vueltas al diccionario , ;-) je je je ;-) 2do. en segunda no keria responder este troleo que se levanto tras mi critica-reclamo-anglicismo (etc,etc, o como lo kieran definir) por que no kiero colaborar a meterle mas spam a la lista,de ser pocible eliminen este tema, pero esta respuesta creo q puede ser constructiva. 3.-este tema se me ace absurdo que no tiene sentido desperdiciar nuestras mentes, tiempo y valor. creo q simplemete tenemos q dejar a un lado no vale la pena este debate. este es una lista de soporte/ense#ar en debian y PUNTO. ruben , definitivamente estas MUY equibocado de lugar, no vuelvas a acer este tipo de peticion de ayuda o te reportaremos como spam , (...) Creo que te has pasado un poco. Un poco bastante. Y ese tono amenazador que empleas tampoco ayuda :-/ Bien lo dices, creo, yo no lo creo así. genial apoyo ! (Y) No sé a quién te refieres cuando dices reportaremos (en plural), yo no voy a reportar nada a nadie y en todo caso sería informar que reportar es un anglicismo horrible por muy aceptado por la RAE que esté (en mi opinión, erróneamente). Personalmente yo si lo reportaría. encontre apoyo asi que mas de uno piensa como yo que se debe reportar , por eso me adelante y dije en plural ¿De donde has sacado que es un anglicismo?, puede ser usado informar pero ambos estarían correctos. Ya, ok sabes mucho, ayudas mucho, demasiado a veces pero esa es mi opinión, pero ya como que te pasas, das cátedra en todo y a todos, te has transformado en una especie de dueña de la lista en esto de ...la due#a de la lista si lo creo pues ami tambien me pasa , q saber tanto de algo despues uno como persona se vuelve AUTORITARIO, creo q tienes q pensar eso camaleon, es verdad sabes mucho y resuelves muchos problemas , pero en este caso nesecitavas resaltar criticas buenas tambien como que acerte como que el Licenciado ruben.cervantes estaba metiendo off-topin y no solo las malas pareciendo una mujer frustrada [6] (con el devido respeto ) y te informo que no lo eres, si hay algunos que te siguen haya ellos, pero a otros que no nos gusta tu actitud de querer siempre saberlo todo y tener la última palabra en todo. PD. Ohhh hay vida más allá del teclado. en esto estoy muy de acuerdo. siempre empezamos a responder así cuando nos sentimos incómodos, aburridos (tanto responder o trabajo,) , fastidiados, sin ganas de ayudar y simplemente por responder la carta por costumbre. ese es momento de soltar el teclado un rato No me quería meter en este asunto, pero viendo ese esperpento[1] de mensaje, y probablemente, también es un esperpento de persona, si estoy de acuerdo con tigo q soy un esperpento tengo que decir que es una ofensa al idioma leer eso. No sólo con el tono ofensivo, sino que comete tantas faltas de ortografía. tengo mucha falta de ortografia pues nunca tube buenos maestros de espa#ol (exceptuando uno) y sumandole a eso que use mucho el messenger, este es un resultado ¿Seguro lo redactó pensando en su aborrecimiento al Windows? ahun si tengo aborrecimiento a Güindow$ en la mayoria de las veces esta ves NO FUE ASI , en la carta orinal resalte mi motivo de molestia justo ahora tengo que leer 107 cartas de esta lista de correo, y si todos pensaran como tu se conver tirian en 307 o mas! que se apega las normas de la lista [7] a el punto #2, #4 (---no estoy seguro de este), #7, y el mas importante #9 , #10 (este lo aplica altamente en la seccion y otras normas de sentido comun ¿Pues que rayos tiene que pedir nlite para W7 en una lsita de debian?) pero en fin . no sigamos con este tema Hagan un traceroute, emailtracer, o como lo llamen, y verán de dónde mando este mensaje. lo mande de mi debian; $ uname -a Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 i686 GNU/Linux $ icedove -v Icedove 17.0 ¡Ah! Y hagan este ejercicio (lleva sólo 5 minutos): tomen un diccionario, o un tomo de la enciclopedia, cierren los ojos, y denle 5 vueltas, abran una página al azar y coloquen el dedo donde sea. Y lean la palabra y su significado 5 veces. Ayuda bastante. me gusto ese de darle vueltas al diccionario , ;-) je je je ;-) [1]http://www.wordreference.**com/definicion/esperpentohttp://www.wordreference.com/definicion/esperpento para finalizar apeguemonos a las normas [7] es un simple recordatorio ( ahorita ) y alguien borre estos temas innecesarios por favor. PD: NO respondan este mensage , ni para defenderse ni para apoyar, gracias [6]
Re: [OT] descarga nlite W7
recuerden que Linux Torvals también fue un novato y cuantos les criticaron al principio por lo que hacia, y ahora esta lista y el SWL existen gracias a su gran ingeniosidad, error señor Lic. Ruben Cervantes Rodríguez no se llama Linux Torvals, se llama Linus Torvalds [3,4] no invento este OS [1,2 y 5 ] definformado licenciado, fue Richard Stallman http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Iniciativa_GNU Linus Torvalds solo le lloro a Andrew S. Tanenbaum que le vendiera el codigo fuente de minix para modificarlo, hasta q tanenbaum se lo vendio, pero si no hubiese pasado asi seria un don-nadie. (Para mi el hilo está cerrado) para mi tambien esta respuesta es de caracter informativo. y como dato extra positivo que aportar dado que yo si me interese por enviar cartas en texto plano http://wiki.debian.org/es/DebianMailingLists#C.2BAPM-mo_enviar_mensajes_a_la_lista_usando_un_formato_de_texto_plano o como diria camaleon (ese html) [1] http://www.gnu.org/home.es.html [2] http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU [3] http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_%28n%C3%BAcleo%29 [4] http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds [5] http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversia_por_la_denominaci%C3%B3n_GNU/Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133180d.2000...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] descarga nlite W7
On 03/03/13 02:25, francisco cid wrote: ni se imaginan cuanto ancho de banda me gastó, recibir este correo,ai alguien se equivoca, haganselo saber pero no lo destruyan con comentarios poco contructivos. El 3 de marzo de 2013 05:57, alexlikerock-Gmail alexliker...@gmail.com mailto:alexliker...@gmail.com escribió: 1.-antes que nada kiero agradecer a las criticas constructivas me gusto ese de darle vueltas al diccionario , ;-) je je je ;-) 2do. en segunda no keria responder este troleo que se levanto tras mi critica-reclamo-anglicismo (etc,etc, o como lo kieran definir) por que no kiero colaborar a meterle mas spam a la lista,de ser pocible eliminen este tema, pero esta respuesta creo q puede ser constructiva. 3.-este tema se me ace absurdo que no tiene sentido desperdiciar nuestras mentes, tiempo y valor. creo q simplemete tenemos q dejar a un lado no vale la pena este debate. este es una lista de soporte/ense#ar en debian y PUNTO. http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista#resumen punto #5 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513318bf.3080...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] descarga nlite W7
El 3 de marzo de 2013 05:57, alexlikerock-Gmail alexliker...@gmail.comescribió: 1.-antes que nada kiero agradecer a las criticas constructivas me gusto ese de darle vueltas al diccionario , ;-) je je je ;-) 2do. en segunda no QUEeria responder este troleo que se levanto tras mi CRÍtica-reclÁmo-anglicismo (etc,etc, o como lo QUieran definir) por que no QUiero colaborar a meterle mÁs spam a la lista,de ser poSible eliminen este tema, pero esta respuesta creo qUE puede ser constructiva. 3.-este tema se me Hace absurdo que no tiene sentido desperdiciar nuestras mentes, tiempo y valor. creo qUE simplemete tenemos q dejar a un lado no vale la pena Éste debate. este es una lista de soporte/ense#ar en debian y PUNTO. te corrigí el primer párrafo, revisa tu ortografia, ¡en buena onda! ruben , definitivamente estas MUY equibocado de lugar, no vuelvas a acer este tipo de peticion de ayuda o te reportaremos como spam , (...) Creo que te has pasado un poco. Un poco bastante. Y ese tono amenazador que empleas tampoco ayuda :-/ Bien lo dices, creo, yo no lo creo así. genial apoyo ! (Y) No sé a quién te refieres cuando dices reportaremos (en plural), yo no voy a reportar nada a nadie y en todo caso sería informar que reportar es un anglicismo horrible por muy aceptado por la RAE que esté (en mi opinión, erróneamente). Personalmente yo si lo reportaría. encontre apoyo asi que mas de uno piensa como yo que se debe reportar , por eso me adelante y dije en plural ¿De donde has sacado que es un anglicismo?, puede ser usado informar pero ambos estarían correctos. Ya, ok sabes mucho, ayudas mucho, demasiado a veces pero esa es mi opinión, pero ya como que te pasas, das cátedra en todo y a todos, te has transformado en una especie de dueña de la lista en esto de ...la due#a de la lista si lo creo pues ami tambien me pasa , q saber tanto de algo despues uno como persona se vuelve AUTORITARIO, creo q tienes q pensar eso camaleon, es verdad sabes mucho y resuelves muchos problemas , pero en este caso nesecitavas resaltar criticas buenas tambien como que acerte como que el Licenciado ruben.cervantes estaba metiendo off-topin y no solo las malas pareciendo una mujer frustrada [6] (con el devido respeto ) y te informo que no lo eres, si hay algunos que te siguen haya ellos, pero a otros que no nos gusta tu actitud de querer siempre saberlo todo y tener la última palabra en todo. PD. Ohhh hay vida más allá del teclado. en esto estoy muy de acuerdo. siempre empezamos a responder así cuando nos sentimos incómodos, aburridos (tanto responder o trabajo,) , fastidiados, sin ganas de ayudar y simplemente por responder la carta por costumbre. ese es momento de soltar el teclado un rato No me quería meter en este asunto, pero viendo ese esperpento[1] de mensaje, y probablemente, también es un esperpento de persona, si estoy de acuerdo con tigo q soy un esperpento tengo que decir que es una ofensa al idioma leer eso. No sólo con el tono ofensivo, sino que comete tantas faltas de ortografía. tengo mucha falta de ortografia pues nunca tube buenos maestros de espa#ol (exceptuando uno) y sumandole a eso que use mucho el messenger, este es un resultado ¿Seguro lo redactó pensando en su aborrecimiento al Windows? ahun si tengo aborrecimiento a Güindow$ en la mayoria de las veces esta ves NO FUE ASI , en la carta orinal resalte mi motivo de molestia justo ahora tengo que leer 107 cartas de esta lista de correo, y si todos pensaran como tu se conver tirian en 307 o mas! que se apega las normas de la lista [7] a el punto #2, #4 (---no estoy seguro de este), #7, y el mas importante #9 , #10 (este lo aplica altamente en la seccion y otras normas de sentido comun ¿Pues que rayos tiene que pedir nlite para W7 en una lsita de debian?) pero en fin . no sigamos con este tema Hagan un traceroute, emailtracer, o como lo llamen, y verán de dónde mando este mensaje. lo mande de mi debian; $ uname -a Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 i686 GNU/Linux $ icedove -v Icedove 17.0 ¡Ah! Y hagan este ejercicio (lleva sólo 5 minutos): tomen un diccionario, o un tomo de la enciclopedia, cierren los ojos, y denle 5 vueltas, abran una página al azar y coloquen el dedo donde sea. Y lean la palabra y su significado 5 veces. Ayuda bastante. me gusto ese de darle vueltas al diccionario , ;-) je je je ;-) [1]http://www.wordreference.**com/definicion/esperpentohttp://www.wordreference.com/definicion/esperpento para finalizar apeguemonos a las normas [7] es un simple recordatorio ( ahorita ) y alguien borre estos temas innecesarios por favor. PD: NO respondan este mensage , ni para defenderse ni para apoyar, gracias [6]
ortografía
te corrigí el primer párrafo, revisa tu ortografia, ¡en buena onda! claro q lo tomo como ¡en buena onda!, no te preocupes. buscando un poco en las normas encontre esto http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista#porque 3er punto Escribir correcta y formalmente La lista de Debian en español se lee en muchos países diferentes. Si pretendes darle a tu mensaje un toque informal lo más que puedes conseguir es que haya gente que no te entienda o, peor aún, que te malinterprete y se ofenda. no creo q no se entienda el parrafo que me corregiste. por otro lado no encontre la norma escribir con ortografia correcta en las listas. eso lo entendi como una sugerencia (wiki.debian), si me ekivoco... aganmelo lo saber, o si la gran mayoria de ustedes lo manejan asi ahunque no este en las normas, tambien aganme lo saber, con alguna base, claro. saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513322a9.9070...@gmail.com
Re: evolution y gmail, timeout
Y cuando intento enviar mensajes se queja de esto: Error mientras estaba Enviando mensaje. Error en la respuesta de bienvenida: I/O Operation timed outl... ¿a alguien mas le ocurrió algo similar? ami me paso eso y es por que meti mal la contrase#a o no tenia activado el POP3 en Gmail, no recuerdo muy bien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51332357.4040...@gmail.com
Re: tux guitar no suena
El 2 de marzo de 2013 09:41, Felix Perez felix.listadeb...@gmail.comescribió: El día 2 de marzo de 2013 04:24, francisco cid francisco...@gmail.com escribió: gracias a todos, pude solucionar el problema! Que bien y agradezco tu buena disposición al compartir la solución, así si alguien más le sucede lo mismo se beneficiará de tu experiencia. Nuevamente gracias. los siento, la solucion fué instalar timidy y seleccionar el puerto [128:0] en la configuracion de sonido El 2 de marzo de 2013 01:27, fuente obejuna obeju...@gmail.com escribió: Perdón, lo mandé como privado. Va de nuevo. El 2 de marzo de 2013 00:45, francisco cid francisco...@gmail.com escribió: root@francisco:/home/francisco# tuxguitar $MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME not valid : check doc shipped w/ tuxguitar /dev/sequencer: No existe el fichero o el directorio eso fue lo que me salió El 2 de marzo de 2013 00:17, Juan Lavieri jlavi...@gmail.com escribió: Hola El 01/03/13 22:00, francisco cid escribió: hola, instalé tux guitar version 1,2 y no puedo hacer que suenen las tablaturas, el sonido funciona bien en las demas aplicaciones, uso debian testing amd 64 Trata de ejecutarlo desde un terminal gráfico y mira qué mensajes te arroja. Sin esos mensajes es muy poca la ayuda que te podremos prestar. saludos! Saludos Juan Lavieri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51316f5f.8060...@gmail.com Hola, fijate si no te anda faltando el timidity. Instalalo con aptitude # aptitude update ; aptitude install timidity y después vas a la configuración de tuxguitar (herramientas - preferencias o F7) y en la parte de sonido configurás algún puerto del timidity (creo que tendrías que tener 4) algo así como: TiMidity port 0 [128:0] ¡Salud! -- usuario linux #274354 normas de la lista: http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista como hacer preguntas inteligentes: http://www.sindominio.net/ayuda/preguntas-inteligentes.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caaizax483-9rrffyv87ilqtfahdxxz7d0tgludw7vettops...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Instalar driver para Atheros AR8162 (Era: debían inspiron 5420)
El Sat, 02 Mar 2013 19:27:48 -0500, Pablo Magé escribió: Rectifico lo enviado: :-) El 2 de marzo de 2013 19:24, Pablo Magé pma...@gmail.com escribió: El 2 de marzo de 2013 13:51, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Pero cuando ejecuté el comando make, obtuve el siguiente mensaje de error: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/build: No existe el fichero o el directorio. Alto.u make: *** [modules] Error 2 Que debo hacer para que el directorio build se genere? Asegúrate de que has instalado correctamente esos dos paquetes y prueba de nuevou. Ejecute nuevamente el procedimeiento según lo indicado: apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) Ahora sí. make make install Entiendo que no has tenido ningún problema para compilarlo. Pero al ejecutar el comando: modprobe alx Emite el siguiente mensaje de error: FATAL: Error inserting alx(/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/update/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/alx/alx.ko):Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter(see dmesg) Ya verifique que alx.ko existe. Que podrá ser ahora? Revisa el dmesg como te indica, pero ese mensaje parece indicar una incompatibilidad entre el módulo compilado y el kernel actual aunque el paquete compat-drivers parece tener soporte para kernels antiguos. Quizá es que te saltaste el paso de descarga de módulos (make unload) tal y como indican en la documentación: https://backports.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Documentation/compat-drivers#Unloading_your_old_distribution_drivers Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kgvo02$h3c$1...@ger.gmane.org
[OT] Re: ortografía
El Sun, 03 Mar 2013 03:15:05 -0700, alexlikerock-Gmail escribió: te corrigí el primer párrafo, revisa tu ortografia, ¡en buena onda! claro q lo tomo como ¡en buena onda!, no te preocupes. buscando un poco en las normas encontre esto http://wiki.debian.org/es/NormasLista#porque 3er punto Escribir correcta y formalmente La lista de Debian en español se lee en muchos países diferentes. Si pretendes darle a tu mensaje un toque informal lo más que puedes conseguir es que haya gente que no te entienda o, peor aún, que te malinterprete y se ofenda. no creo q no se entienda el parrafo que me corregiste. Si sólo fuera un párrafo... es que no se entiende el correo completo y no sólo por las faltas de ortografía (que ahí ya no me meto) sino por el formato, que lo has destrozado, vamos, ininteligible. por otro lado no encontre la norma escribir con ortografia correcta en las listas. (...) Verás, en la vida hay cosas que se sobreentienden y que no hace falta que veas escritas como sugerencias o normas como por ejemplo escribir de una forma mínimamente correcta en una lista de correo técnica en español cuya base es la palabra escrita. Si no cuidas ni el fondo ni la forma escribirás churros que nadie podrá descifrar. Si me dijeras que tu primer idioma no es el español, aún tendrías excusa, al menos en cuanto a la ortografía y la sintaxis... Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kgvpg2$h3c$3...@ger.gmane.org
Re: evolution y gmail, timeout [solucionado]
El sáb, 02-03-2013 a las 15:14 +, Camaleón escribió: El Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:06:16 -0300, YOUR NAME escribió: ^ Creo que te falta cambiar el nombre ;-P On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 06:12:09PM +, Camaleón wrote: Son dos opciones distintas, conviene que pruebes las dos: - smtps → puerto 465/ssl - starttls → puerto 587/tls Y por último, también podrías intentar configurarlo en el puerto 25/ssl. Estas son las tres opciones disponibles. probé cambiando los puertos y nada. Ahora estoy en la computadora problemática, pero con el nunca bien ponderado mutt y no tengo problemas. Entonces el problema está localizado en Evolution. Evidentemente se pinchó mi evolution, que pena porque mientras todo parece mudarse a la web... yo lo estaba haciendo en evolution, solo me faltaba poder chatear por ahí xD Tocará llenar un reporte de bug Antes de mandar un informe de errores prueba a crear un nuevo usuario e intenta configurar la cuenta de Gmail ahí e intenta enviar un correo, a ver qué sucede, así descartas un problema en la configuración del perfil del usuario. intenté un nuevo usuario, configuré y... anda %#@@x###%%*! Entonces comencé de nuevo, pero ahora no pasé por 'cuentas en línea' de gnome, sino desde evolution. Y funciona, de hecho este mail lo estoy enviando por evolution, y si lo ven es que está bien. Ahora solo me queda ver como recupero la agenda (de compromisos y cosas por hacer) y la agenda de contactos, que no veo la opción pero esa es otra historia... (si configuras una cuenta de tipo IMAP recuerda que tienes que dejarle tiempo para que almacene en la caché local los mensajes de lo contrario se te quedará bloqueado el cliente de correo) Saludos, -- Camaleón -- (-.(-.(-.(-.-).-).-).-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1362341503.5201.10.ca...@gonzalo.casa
disculpas correo basura
Cordial saludo, uyna de mis cuentas de correo fue vulnerada por favor hacer caso omiso a correos cuyo asunto contenga «hey!» o «how are you» o similares estoy tomando las medidas correctivas gracias E.E.F.J. araw...@ieee.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1362363067.87085.yahoomailclas...@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: [OT] descarga nlite W7
El 03/03/2013 10:45, francisco cid francisco...@gmail.com escribió: El 3 de marzo de 2013 05:57, alexlikerock-Gmail alexliker...@gmail.com escribió: 1.-antes que nada kiero agradecer a las criticas constructivas me gusto ese de darle vueltas al diccionario , ;-) je je je ;-) 2do. en segunda no QUEeria responder este troleo que se levanto tras mi CRÍtica-reclÁmo-anglicismo (etc,etc, o como lo QUieran definir) por que no QUiero colaborar a meterle mÁs spam a la lista,de ser poSible eliminen este tema, pero esta respuesta creo qUE puede ser constructiva. 3.-este tema se me Hace absurdo que no tiene sentido desperdiciar nuestras mentes, tiempo y valor. creo qUE simplemete tenemos q dejar a un lado no vale la pena Éste debate. este es una lista de soporte/ense#ar en debian y PUNTO. te corrigí el primer párrafo, revisa tu ortografia, ¡en buena onda! ruben , definitivamente estas MUY equibocado de lugar, no vuelvas a acer este tipo de peticion de ayuda o te reportaremos como spam , (...) Creo que te has pasado un poco. Un poco bastante. Y ese tono amenazador que empleas tampoco ayuda :-/ Bien lo dices, creo, yo no lo creo así. genial apoyo ! (Y) No sé a quién te refieres cuando dices reportaremos (en plural), yo no voy a reportar nada a nadie y en todo caso sería informar que reportar es un anglicismo horrible por muy aceptado por la RAE que esté (en mi opinión, erróneamente). Personalmente yo si lo reportaría. encontre apoyo asi que mas de uno piensa como yo que se debe reportar , por eso me adelante y dije en plural ¿De donde has sacado que es un anglicismo?, puede ser usado informar pero ambos estarían correctos. Ya, ok sabes mucho, ayudas mucho, demasiado a veces pero esa es mi opinión, pero ya como que te pasas, das cátedra en todo y a todos, te has transformado en una especie de dueña de la lista en esto de ...la due#a de la lista si lo creo pues ami tambien me pasa , q saber tanto de algo despues uno como persona se vuelve AUTORITARIO, creo q tienes q pensar eso camaleon, es verdad sabes mucho y resuelves muchos problemas , pero en este caso nesecitavas resaltar criticas buenas tambien como que acerte como que el Licenciado ruben.cervantes estaba metiendo off-topin y no solo las malas pareciendo una mujer frustrada [6] (con el devido respeto ) y te informo que no lo eres, si hay algunos que te siguen haya ellos, pero a otros que no nos gusta tu actitud de querer siempre saberlo todo y tener la última palabra en todo. PD. Ohhh hay vida más allá del teclado. en esto estoy muy de acuerdo. siempre empezamos a responder así cuando nos sentimos incómodos, aburridos (tanto responder o trabajo,) , fastidiados, sin ganas de ayudar y simplemente por responder la carta por costumbre. ese es momento de soltar el teclado un rato No me quería meter en este asunto, pero viendo ese esperpento[1] de mensaje, y probablemente, también es un esperpento de persona, si estoy de acuerdo con tigo q soy un esperpento tengo que decir que es una ofensa al idioma leer eso. No sólo con el tono ofensivo, sino que comete tantas faltas de ortografía. tengo mucha falta de ortografia pues nunca tube buenos maestros de espa#ol (exceptuando uno) y sumandole a eso que use mucho el messenger, este es un resultado ¿Seguro lo redactó pensando en su aborrecimiento al Windows? ahun si tengo aborrecimiento a Güindow$ en la mayoria de las veces esta ves NO FUE ASI , en la carta orinal resalte mi motivo de molestia justo ahora tengo que leer 107 cartas de esta lista de correo, y si todos pensaran como tu se conver tirian en 307 o mas! que se apega las normas de la lista [7] a el punto #2, #4 (---no estoy seguro de este), #7, y el mas importante #9 , #10 (este lo aplica altamente en la seccion y otras normas de sentido comun ¿Pues que rayos tiene que pedir nlite para W7 en una lsita de debian?) pero en fin . no sigamos con este tema Hagan un traceroute, emailtracer, o como lo llamen, y verán de dónde mando este mensaje. lo mande de mi debian; $ uname -a Linux debian 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 i686 GNU/Linux $ icedove -v Icedove 17.0 ¡Ah! Y hagan este ejercicio (lleva sólo 5 minutos): tomen un diccionario, o un tomo de la enciclopedia, cierren los ojos, y denle 5 vueltas, abran una página al azar y coloquen el dedo donde sea. Y lean la palabra y su significado 5 veces. Ayuda bastante. me gusto ese de darle vueltas al diccionario , ;-) je je je ;-) [1]http://www.wordreference.com/definicion/esperpento para finalizar apeguemonos a las normas [7] es un simple recordatorio ( ahorita ) y alguien borre estos temas innecesarios por favor. PD: NO respondan este mensage , ni para defenderse ni para apoyar, gracias [6] http://lema.rae.es/drae/srv/search?id=3cMzQhQBCDXX2wthGzLn [7]
Re: RAID1 all bootable
Hi Francesco, I was under the impression your grub configuration was correct and the only thing wrong was not having it installed on that one HDD. Of course your grub configuration should point to the correct root. In my little (easy) setup I have my main partition, boot partition and swap partition in raid-1. The update-grub command was able to create the correct entries for this configuration in my grub.cfg all by itself. If grub is sending you to the rescue prompt it means something it wrong with your grub configuration, so you'll have to fix that and install grub again. With kind regards, Simon On Mar 3, 2013 8:48 AM, Francesco Pietra chiendar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lennart, Hi Simon A proper understanding of mdadm is required. Hurrying with focus on codes for biochemical applications has brought me into a mess. Relying of all my data, and special compiled programs, present on another raid1 amd64 wheezy, I carried out a reinstall of amd64 wheezy on the machine with new HD. mdo (boot, ext20, md1 (LVM, home, usr, etc). GRUB was installed on /dev/sda Then the command grub-install /dev/sdb with reported installation compete. No errors reported. On rebooting, GRUB was no more found, entering in grub rescue which should also be known accurately, because prefix/root/ are now wrong. The only care I exerted, was not to work with the machine where I have my data, until the damaged machine is in order again. At any event, how to install safely GRUB on both disks of a RAID1 is a must. Thanks for your kind advice. francesco pietra As to mdadm, On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Simon Vos simon...@gmail.com wrote: Have you assembled you raid devices again (mdadm --assemble /dev/mdX /dev/sdX)? That should still work with the disk that was used for your RAID-1, when that's done you can mount your disk, chroot into it and run grub-install /dev/sda (and grub-install /dev/sdb, so you won't have this problem in the future ;-)). On 2 March 2013 11:10, Francesco Pietra chiendar...@gmail.com wrote: A further piece on information. With knoppix 7.0, the procedure for examining mdadm arrives at cat /proc/partitions sda sdb RAID1 (md0 md1) is not seen. I assume that this is the way Knoppix behaves in this situation. Thanks francesco pietra -- Forwarded message -- From: Francesco Pietra chiendar...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 10:11 AM Subject: Re: RAID1 all bootable To: Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca, amd64 Debian debian-am...@lists.debian.org, debian-users debian-user@lists.debian.org Is this recipe devised for installing grub on both sda and sda with an undamaged RAID1? In my case, with the sda that contained grub loader replaced by a new disk, the rescue mode (using the same CD installer for amd64 wheezy) did not find any partition. Inverting the SATA cables, same result. In both cases (I mean position of SATA cables) I went to the shell in the installer environment: #fisk /dev/sda (or sdb) device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, etc (expected for a raid) #dmesg |grep -i sd sda (and sbb): unknown partition table (expected for a raid), however md: raid0 md: raid1 were identified, along with rai4, 5, 6 etc (unfortunately | less does not work to see the whole message). Am I using the Rescue Mode improperly? I was unable to dig into the HD that contains md0 (booth loader, EXT2) and md1 ( LVM partitions home tmp usr opt var swap EXT3) Thanks a lot for your kind advice francesco pietra On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:35 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 08:20:09PM +0100, Francesco Pietra wrote: Hi: With a raid1 amd64 wheezy, one of the two HDs got broken. Unfortunately, I had added grub to sda only, which is just the one broken. So that, when it is replaced with a fresh HD, the OS is not found. Inverting the SATA cables of course does not help (Operative System Not Found). In a previous similar circumstance, I was lucky that the broken HD was the one without gru. Is any way to recover? perhaps through Knoppix? I know how to look into undamaged RAID1 with Knoppix. Also, when making a fresh RAID1 from scratch, where to find a Debian description of how to make both sda and sdb bootable? (which should be included by default, in my opinion) You can boot the install disk in rescue mode, select the root partition to chroot into, then run grub-install from there. When grub asks where to install, you should configure it for both sda and sdb. I think 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' is where that is selected. Might need it to use -plow to asks all levels of questions. Not sure. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
On Sat 02 Mar 2013 at 19:56:43 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/2 3:36 PM, Brian wrote: Your success was not a result of running the text-based Debian Installer. Forget about it. Try a bit of lateral, or even vertical, thinking. You may not realise it but substituting the USB stick you initially used for a USB hard disc is the crux of the matter. Observation: I'm struck by how some (many?) on this list tell me what I did (like I was asleep) and they're wrong. Please, pay attention... I did not make a substitution. Ok. You are using USB flash/USB flash drive/USB hard disc/USB drive interchangeably to refer to the same device? Its good to have that clarified. 1 - I installed Debian Live on a USB flash drive. 2 - I booted to the USB flash drive. This is the 1GB drive. Correct? 3 - I invoked the GUI version of the Debian Installer and attempted to install Debian to a USB hard disk. - Both GRUB and LILO installation failed (GRUB is automatically tried, and fails, LILO is tried manually). The install medium was the 8GB drive. Correct? 4 - I invoked the text-based version of the Debian Installer targeted to the same USB hard disk and it succeeded. Of course, between steps 3 4 I had to reboot back to Windows and delete the USB hard disk partitions because deleting them inside the GUI Debian Installer didn't work, so I guess it actually has more bugs, eh? No, no more bugs; you have had your fair share up to now. Don't be greedy; leave some for other people. You've used the very fuzzy term didn't work, but whatever you did triggered the same bug you had already met. The point is: in both cases (unsuccessful successful) the source of the install was Debian Live on a USB flash drive and the target of the install was a USB hard disk. No, the two cases are definitely not identical. Case1 (Unsuccessful) The 8GB drive had previously had Debian Live installed to it. (This is clearly described in your first post). The target drive would contain information about an iso9660 filesystem. GRUB is designed not to install to a drive when it detects an iso9660 filesystem is present on it. [1] Case1 (Successful) -- The 8GB drive had been processed by a Windows partitioning program. This wipes the information about the iso9660 file system. GRUB will now install. Now that you mention it - what does GRUB report in the syslog when it fails to install as you described in your very first post? Be daring; give it a go again, exactly as you related there. Sigh! How can I read the syslog? Where is it? /var/...blah-blah-blah... or /usr/...blah-blah-blah... or /sys/...blah-blah-blah... - I'm not a Linux user. And, since nothing gets written to the USB flash drive (remember: this Debian Live thinks it's running on CD), how would I find it at all! http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/03/msg00187.html You succeeded (which is good) because you changed the install environment. This neither proves nor disproves anything. I did not change the install environment. What makes you think I did? You have told us as much above. The state of the 8GB drive for the text mode install is different from its initial state. Incidentally, it is never a good idea to change more than one variable at a time in an experiment. It can (as it has in your case) lead to an invalid or erroneous conclusion. [1] For those whose wish to test this assertion: a) Plug a USB stick in and identify its device name with dmesg | tail -n 20 b) Write an isohybrid ISO (an amd64 or i386 netinst would do) to the stick with cat ISO /dev/sdX c) Install GRUB with grub-install /dev/sdc d) Re-partition the stick with fdisk and repeat c). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303112514.GT14686@desktop
Re: Converting a running system to a VirtualBox VM
Dear Marc, Marc Shapiro wrote: It runs fine on Squeeze using IA32-libs. There does not seem to be a native 64-bit version for linux. I decided I would install Wheezy, activate multi-arch for i386 and install the 32-bit version. It was a good plan, except that it does not work. The Citrix Receiver apparently requires nspluginwrapper, which is not available in Wheezy because it depends on ia32-libs and so does not play nicely with multi-arch. Really? At least for me, apt-get install nspluginwrapper appeared positive that I could install it, although it would pull in fifty trillions (65 MB) of extra i386 libraries. 1) Stick with Squeeze indefinitely Meh. So, does anyone know of a way to convert my current system to a Virtualbox VM? Or would it be better to just create a new machine and install from scratch? Getting Citrix Receiver running properly always seems to be a hassle, so I thought that converting my current system might be easier. Any suggestions? Do you have a possibility to boot into another system, so that you don’t have to run VirtualBox on the system you want to clone? If so, you can either tell VirtualBox to use the partition of your current system as a physical disk, or you could boot the VM from some live CD, partition it properly and then simply rsync -avH your system over. Best, Claudius -- Please don’t CC me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303114038.4a956...@ares.home.chubig.net
Sync Orage and Android (via calendarserver?)
Hi all I'm using Orage calendar on my Desktop. I have an Android tablet which I'd like to keep in sync with Orage. My desktop machine doesn't run all the time but I have a home server which does. Therefore I'd like to put the shared calendar data on the server so that both the desktop and the tablet can get the data from there. I have tried calendarserver but I couldn't connect Orage to it. What do you use to keep your calendars in sync? I'm not a big fan of putting my data to Google. That's why I'd like to find a solution where the data stays on my own devices. Thanks for your suggestions. Best Ramon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kgviat$et9$1...@ger.gmane.org
BSD more secure? was: Re: 10 top myths of debian
Le Sam 2 mars 2013 4:44, Miles Fidelman a écrit : Yaro Kasear wrote: I don't know if Debian's the most SECURE distribution. It doesn't really have a hardened profile or anything like what Gentoo offers. (Gentoo isn't a prime example of a secure Linux system, I more point to the concept of having a hardened base available, whihc Debian doesn't really offer.) Debian's known for being incredibly STABLE and high quality, and embraces FOSS standards pretty well. But unless Debian is bundling an alternate base system built around stuff like Tomoyo, GrSecurity, PaX, or SELinux and starts loading up their packages with hardened patchsets I wouldn't boast about it being a security-focused distro. The backports are an excellent thing. And the Debian security team does an excellent job. Lets just be realistic and a little more honest and say Debian is one of the most secure but I can't call it THE most secure unless the system can go hardened readily. Good point. And when you start talking security to the point of serious testing and configuration control, I believe there are very few distributions that are on the DoD approved product list. On the BSD side, OpenBSD (despite the name), focuses on security, and has a pretty good reputation for being pretty secure. Miles Fidelman I'm a newbie about kernels, but I have read (and maybe misunderstood) which stated the bsd kernel was more secure. So, if you use the kfreebsd kernel on a Debian, is it closer to that hardened security? It is a real question, sorry for the OT, but I am just taking the occasion to learn a bit about differences between those kernels. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7a46abc194c89d0c4f01221ba9dac262.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: Converting a running system to a VirtualBox VM
2013-03-03 08:56, Marc Shapiro skrev: So, does anyone know of a way to convert my current system to a Virtualbox VM? Or would it be better to just create a new machine and install from scratch? Getting Citrix Receiver running properly always seems to be a hassle, so I thought that converting my current system might be easier. Any suggestions? http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html#idp0176 I _think_ you _might_ want to try booting to a live-cd, and run something like VBoxManage convertfromraw /dev/sda/ vboximage.vdi Then try to boot the vboximage.vdi disk in vbox. When I used it, I did roughly: dd if=/dev/sda of=diskimage.dd VBoxManage convertfromraw diskimage.dd vboximage.vdi I have only tried it once, but it worked much better than I had expected (yes, I was more pessimistic than I should have been). Regards Johan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kgvll2$h0p$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: BSD more secure? was: Re: 10 top myths of debian
On Sun, 3 Mar 2013, Morel B?renger wrote: Le Sam 2 mars 2013 4:44, Miles Fidelman a ?crit : Yaro Kasear wrote: I don't know if Debian's the most SECURE distribution. It doesn't really have a hardened profile or anything like what Gentoo offers. (Gentoo isn't a prime example of a secure Linux system, I more point to the concept of having a hardened base available, whihc Debian doesn't really offer.) Debian's known for being incredibly STABLE and high quality, and embraces FOSS standards pretty well. But unless Debian is bundling an alternate base system built around stuff like Tomoyo, GrSecurity, PaX, or SELinux and starts loading up their packages with hardened patchsets I wouldn't boast about it being a security-focused distro. The backports are an excellent thing. And the Debian security team does an excellent job. Lets just be realistic and a little more honest and say Debian is one of the most secure but I can't call it THE most secure unless the system can go hardened readily. Good point. And when you start talking security to the point of serious testing and configuration control, I believe there are very few distributions that are on the DoD approved product list. On the BSD side, OpenBSD (despite the name), focuses on security, and has a pretty good reputation for being pretty secure. Miles Fidelman I'm a newbie about kernels, but I have read (and maybe misunderstood) which stated the bsd kernel was more secure. So, if you use the kfreebsd kernel on a Debian, is it closer to that hardened security? It is a real question, sorry for the OT, but I am just taking the occasion to learn a bit about differences between those kernels. Has anyone looked at grml yet? --- jude jdash...@shellworld.net Remember Microsoft didn't write Tiger 10.4 or any of its successors. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.bsf.2.01.1303031023130.10...@freire1.furyyjbeyq.arg
libreoffice does not auto-increment anymore
Hi... Why does version 3.5.4.2, Build-ID 350m1 not auto increment anymore? It only does it for selecting days of the week. My version of libreoffice on a rhel6 box does auto-increment for example, if I start with a time, say 05:00 and want to go to 06:00, ? Is this now a functionality of libre-office on debian? Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/54931.41.132.49.211.1362323223.squir...@webmail.tlabs.ac.za
Re: 10 top myths of debian
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Good point. And when you start talking security to the point of serious testing and configuration control, I believe there are very few distributions that are on the DoD approved product list. I've tried to stay out of this thread, but I feel that Ihave to comment. The first point I need to make is that security is a mindset. Anything can be made secure if you are willing to work at it and accept the trade-offs that are required to be that way. Just like a training Olympian cannot eat bacon sandwiches and still be ready to compete, an administrator or user cannot just install any piece of software whenever they want and hope it will stay secure. Take, for instance, Java... I have an adage that usability times security is a constant. The only truly secure system is one that is unplugged from the network, powered off, packed in concrete, then fired into the sun...But at that point, it isn't very usable, is it? However, if you *are* willing to work for it, you can secure anything. In 1995, the NSA granted Windows NT 3.5 an Orange Book C2 security certification, C2 being Controlled Access Protection. Now the caveats to this: * The tested machine had no network connectivity; * The tested machine had no floppy drive; * The tested machine had no CD-ROM; So the box could only run what was installed on it, and had no contact with the outside world. Now, having said that, you can take a page from MS here. Run the absolute minimal software needed to accomplish the task at hand. In this respect, servers are generally (and I *am* generalizing here) than workstations, because of the required functionality of workstations -- video drivers, games, internet communications, etc. Take, for instance, my workstation versus my firewall. My workstation has 2850 packages installed, while my firewall has a total of 369. That's nearly an order of magnitude more software that can be attack vectors. Additionally, you can, especially if you have a home network, run security tools, both on your machines and scanners. Nessus (www.tenable.com) has a free Home Feed, you can run nmap against your machines, etc. Get to know how they behave, then you will notice it when things change. Finally, have regular backups. If the worst does happen, you can recover from it. Security isn't a fire-and-forget solution. It is a constantly changing threat environment. You can't say I installed distro/OS abc, I'm secure now. There are always people out there who want access to your machine, for varying reasons. --b On the BSD side, OpenBSD (despite the name), focuses on security, and has a pretty good reputation for being pretty secure. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513175ae.5080...@meetinghouse.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cakmzw+bzpwmevxpotdt5vqmfjvy1djzibq1cmnm9m3qatoz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
On 2013/3/3 6:25 AM, Brian wrote: On Sat 02 Mar 2013 at 19:56:43 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/2 3:36 PM, Brian wrote: Your success was not a result of running the text-based Debian Installer. Forget about it. Try a bit of lateral, or even vertical, thinking. You may not realise it but substituting the USB stick you initially used for a USB hard disc is the crux of the matter. Observation: I'm struck by how some (many?) on this list tell me what I did (like I was asleep) and they're wrong. Please, pay attention... I did not make a substitution. Ok. You are using USB flash/USB flash drive/USB hard disc/USB drive interchangeably to refer to the same device? Its good to have that clarified. No, Brian. I'm *not* using terms interchangeably. I'm *not* being sloppy. When I refer to a USB flash drive I mean a USB flash drive (also called a thumb drive by some people and plugged into one of my laptop's USB 2.0 ports), and when I refer to a USB hard drive mean a USB hard drive (a hard drive in a USB carrier and plugged into another of my laptop's USB 2.0 port via a cable). I've thrown the thread away, but if you review my previous posts I'm pretty confident you will find that I've been absolutely consistent. Source: USB flash drive booting Debian Live. Target: USB hard drive. Prior to attempting to install to the USB hard drive, I tried to install to an 8-GB USB flash drive - that's right: initially there were 2 USB flash drives. I differentiated between them this way: source: 1-GB USB flash drive booting Debian Live, target: 8-GB USB flash drive. The reason I switched the target from an 8-GB USB flash drive to a USB hard drive is that someone said I couldn't install to a USB flash drive because of the flash structures and that I should switch to a hard drive because the MBR will be easier to deal with. I thought that suggestion was bogus, but I went along with it because I had a spare USB hard drive and because I wanted to move past that roadblock, even if bogus. 1 - I installed Debian Live on a USB flash drive. 2 - I booted to the USB flash drive. This is the 1GB drive. Correct? You got it! Yes. 3 - I invoked the GUI version of the Debian Installer and attempted to install Debian to a USB hard disk. - Both GRUB and LILO installation failed (GRUB is automatically tried, and fails, LILO is tried manually). The install medium was the 8GB drive. Correct? By this time the target was the USB hard drive... ... I think it's about 50 GB but that's not really important. 4 - I invoked the text-based version of the Debian Installer targeted to the same USB hard disk and it succeeded. Of course, between steps 3 4 I had to reboot back to Windows and delete the USB hard disk partitions because deleting them inside the GUI Debian Installer didn't work, so I guess it actually has more bugs, eh? No, no more bugs; But they're so tasty! Can't I eat just one more? you have had your fair share up to now. Don't be greedy; leave some for other people. You've used the very fuzzy term didn't work, but whatever you did triggered the same bug you had already met. Yes, same bug: GRUB failed to install automatically. Then, when I attempted to manually install LILO, it failed also. Note: when I write that I attempted to manually install LILO, I don't mean that I opened a terminal window and used the command line - I don't know how to do that - I mean I double-clicked LILO from the main menu. The point is: in both cases (unsuccessful successful) the source of the install was Debian Live on a USB flash drive and the target of the install was a USB hard disk. No, the two cases are definitely not identical. Case1 (Unsuccessful) The 8GB drive had previously had Debian Live installed to it. (This is clearly described in your first post). The target drive would contain information about an iso9660 filesystem. GRUB is designed not to install to a drive when it detects an iso9660 filesystem is present on it. [1] What you have written above is not correct. I *had* installed Debian Live+Gnome on the 8-GB USB flash drive *but* I didn't use it. I installed Debian Live+LXDE on the 1-GB USB flash drive and *used* *that* as the source. The target *was* going to be the 8-GB USB flash drive (overwriting the existing Debian Live installed on it), but, when that didn't work, I switched the target to the USB hard drive as suggested by someone. To be comprehensive, while booted to Debian Live+LXDE (1-GB USB flash drive), I attempted (several times) to delete the partitions on the 8-GB USB flash drive (using the installers menu, selecting 'delete partition'). I know the installer was trying to delete the partitions because it would fail - I'd have to quit the installer and open up a file browser, unmount the existing volumes, then rerun the installer and attempt to delete the partitions again. When that didn't
Re: Sync Orage and Android (via calendarserver?)
Le 03/03/2013 14:14, Ramon Hofer a écrit : Hi all I'm using Orage calendar on my Desktop. I have an Android tablet which I'd like to keep in sync with Orage. My desktop machine doesn't run all the time but I have a home server which does. Therefore I'd like to put the shared calendar data on the server so that both the desktop and the tablet can get the data from there. I have tried calendarserver but I couldn't connect Orage to it. What do you use to keep your calendars in sync? I'm not a big fan of putting my data to Google. That's why I'd like to find a solution where the data stays on my own devices. Thanks for your suggestions. Best Ramon I use davical, but it is the same protocol (caldav) as the one of calendarserver. On android I use caldav-sync beta (non free for both meaning of free) which works well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51339c0b.1010...@rail.eu.org
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
Mark Filipak wrote: I've thrown the thread away, Oh no, please Mark! We are wayting a step by step detailed description of the procedure that makes GUI installer fail and text installer succeed. Please, this is vital so we can reproduce, diagnose and fix the bug. If you do not provide such step by step detailed descrition, you will be the only winner. Please, share your knowledge with the community, help Debian to be better. By step by step detailed description I mean a description of what decision you took at every single step of the installer, not just simply GUI fails, text succeds. You don't have to read syslogs, you don't have to pres Alt-F?, nothing like that. You just have to say at every single point of the installation what the installer asked and what did you choose. And do this for both the GUI and the text installers with the same hardware and installation medium, in a way that GUI fails and text succeeds. No interpretations nor guessing needed. Just plain facts, but they have to be precise and step by step. You know, finding a bug in the Debian installer is one of the greatest contributions a user can make to Debian. We all will be very greateful if you do this effort. On behalf of all Debian users and developers who will benefit from your contribution, I thank you. João Luis Meloni Assirati. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/a7f64afddf056886f1225c1c1fd03d85.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
On 2013/3/3 2:07 PM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Mark Filipak wrote: I've thrown the thread away, Oh no... -big snip- Ohmygod! João Luis, of course I'll reproduce it. That should be easy. After all, I've put 2 overtime days into it at this point. Kindly stand by. Right now I'm composing a post requesting help installing the WiFi driver. I'll post back on this thread sometime later today after I'll reproduced the bug. Ciao. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133a17f.2060...@gmail.com
Re: Sync Orage and Android (via calendarserver?)
2013/3/3 Ramon Hofer ramonho...@bluewin.ch Hi all I'm using Orage calendar on my Desktop. I have an Android tablet which I'd like to keep in sync with Orage. My desktop machine doesn't run all the time but I have a home server which does. Therefore I'd like to put the shared calendar data on the server so that both the desktop and the tablet can get the data from there. I have tried calendarserver but I couldn't connect Orage to it. What do you use to keep your calendars in sync? I'm not a big fan of putting my data to Google. That's why I'd like to find a solution where the data stays on my own devices. Thanks for your suggestions. I use Owncloud for my calendar, it provide a standard caldav server only with a LAMP server. Owncloud is also a file storage like dropbox, but with Owncloud you know where is your data. Best Ramon
Latest sid upgrade breaks hot-key suspend-to-ram on T410
Hi all, Instead of letting my sid install age until something breaks, I've been going through regular upgrade/dist-upgrade cycles. The latest upgrade has broken hot-key suspend-to-ram (invoked by Fn-F4). I find that s2ram *does* work, as well as hibernate. Any idea against which package I should file a bug? Regards, Joel -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303192440.GA1654@sprite
Re: Caldav client on Debian
I already read this link and try some client, but I cant find what I want. I keep searching. Thanks. 2013/3/3 Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org On 01.03.2013 22:04, Mérof 42 wrote: Hi, I'm using Owncloud since few month, but with the web interface calendar is not really useful I'm looking for a simple caldav client, but I can't find one. Do you have any idea which client can I use? I'm searching a simple client, not like evolution who need a mailbox activated. http://wiki.davical.org/w/CalDAV_Clients -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth?
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
--- On Sun, 3/3/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installation failed - and failed again... To: Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, March 3, 2013, 11:29 AM On 2013/3/3 6:25 AM, Brian wrote: On Sat 02 Mar 2013 at 19:56:43 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: The reason I switched the target from an 8-GB USB flash drive to a USB hard drive is that someone said I couldn't install to a USB flash drive because of the flash structures and that I should switch to a hard drive because the MBR will be easier to deal with. I thought that suggestion was bogus, but I went along with it because I had a spare USB hard drive and because I wanted to move past that roadblock, even if bogus. --cut-- when that didn't work, I switched the target to the USB hard drive as suggested by someone. --- I think that suggestion started here ;) . . . --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Installation failed To: Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 2:42 PM On 2013/3/1 3:29 PM, Go Linux wrote: --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid it's install Linux on a USB thumb drive or nothing. Duh . . . How about installing on an external hard drive? That would be nice, but that would be on USB also... The problem is not with USB. The problem is flash vs hard drive. AFAIK you CAN install grub2 to a hard drive and boot from it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1362338922.41883.yahoomailclas...@web163405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
Help please - install the WiFi driver
My objective: Install WiFi driver into Debian+LXDE so that I can connect to the Internet. My problem: All the help I can find covers installing packages over the Internet. But I can't install packages over the Internet because I can't reach the Internet until I've installed the driver (not part of Debian because it's non-free) and a Network Manager (apparently, not part of Debian+LXDE ...or at least I can't find it under System Tools ...I think that's what the menu item is named). Packages I have: aptitude_0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1_amd64.deb// Debian - Package Manager firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb // Debian - WiFi Drivers synaptic_0.70~pre1+b1_amd64.deb // Debian - Package Manager wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb// Debian (all but Gnome) - Network Manager wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_amd64.deb // Debian - WiFi Tools Documentation I have: (copied off the Internet and saved where I can get to them when I'm in Debian+LXDE...) How to use a WiFi interface (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse) Intel PRO-Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices (http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy) WiFi Ad-hoc Network (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc) iwconfig (http://wiki.debian.org/iwconfig) iwconfig man page as a text file. BTW, before I go on, I already tried opening a file manager (in Debian+LXDE) and simply double-clicking one of the .deb files. Nothing happened. I don't know what to do or what I'll need once I'm booted back into Debian+LXDE ...remember: I won't have Internet. Assuming that I'll need to know how to run a Package Manager, I've looked at the following (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html#contents): (Before listing the contents of the appropriate section of debian-faq below, I need to say that I really, really tried to read this stuff. My eyes glazed over. I looked for something like how to install a deb binary but couldn't find it. As I read the details of what I couldn't relate to and what I didn't understand and what I don't really care about - God created the Earth in 6 days so that we could argue over it forever after - I had my hands full simply trying to stay awake. Forgive me but I don't want to know the excruciating details of Linux and how it works. I'm not going to stand back after a year of study saying, My, that's wonderful!. I... don't... care. I'm here to use Linux, not to praise it. My objective is to copy stuff I *might* need for offline use.) 7 Basics of the Debian package management system 7.1 What is a Debian package? 7.2 What is the format of a Debian binary package? 7.3 Why are Debian package file names so long? 7.4 What is a Debian control file? 7.5 What is a Debian conffile? 7.6 What is a Debian preinst, postinst, prerm, and postrm script? 7.7 What is an Essential, Required, Important, Standard, Optional, or Extra package? 7.8 What is a Virtual Package? 7.9 What is meant by saying that a package Depends, Recommends, Suggests, Conflicts, Replaces, Breaks or Provides another package? 7.10 What is meant by Pre-Depends? 7.11 What is meant by unknown, install, remove, purge and hold in the package status? 7.12 How do I put a package on hold? 7.13 How do I install a source package? 7.14 How do I build binary packages from a source package? 7.15 How do I create Debian packages myself? 8 The Debian package management tools 8.1 What programs does Debian provide for managing its packages? 8.1.1 dpkg 8.1.2 APT 8.1.3 aptitude 8.1.4 synaptic 8.1.5 tasksel 8.1.6 Other package management tools 8.2 Debian claims to be able to update a running program; how is this accomplished? 8.3 How can I tell what packages are already installed on a Debian system? 8.4 How to display the files of a package installed? 8.5 How can I find out what package produced a particular file? 8.6 Why doesn't get `foo-data' removed when I uninstall `foo'? How do I make sure old unused library-packages get purged? 9 Keeping your Debian system up-to-date 9.1 How can I keep my Debian system current? 9.1.1 aptitude 9.1.2 apt-get, dselect and apt-cdrom 9.1.3 aptitude 9.1.4 mirror 9.1.5 dpkg-mountable 9.2 Must I go into single user mode in order to upgrade a package? 9.3 Do I have to keep all those .deb archive files on my disk? 9.4 How can I keep a log of the packages I added to the system? I'd like to know when which package upgrades and removals have occured! 9.5 Can I automatically update the system? 9.6 I have several machines how can I download the updates only one time? You guys know the stuff above. I'd be willing to *try* to read it if you think I'll need it, but please remember: all I want is to install the WiFi driver, firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb. Perhaps a year from now I'll step back and look at Linux and say, That's wonderful! but I doubt it. However, one thing's for certain: If I don't succeed with this, a year from now I will not be running Linux. Any help gratefully appreciated! Thanks, and Ciao. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,
Re: Latest sid upgrade breaks hot-key suspend-to-ram on T410
Dear Joel, Joel Roth wrote: The latest upgrade has broken hot-key suspend-to-ram (invoked by Fn-F4). I find that s2ram *does* work, as well as hibernate. Cool. Does pm-suspend (a wrapper that does some funky things before calling s2ram) work, too? Any idea against which package I should file a bug? At least here (T410s), Fn-F4 generates an ACPI event that is then handled by an appropriate file in /etc/acpi/events, which in turn calls some script to do the actual suspending. If you have a similarly ‘bare’ setup without other daemons (gnome-power-manager etc.), you might want to check there. Otherwise, you can check /var/log/apt/history.log to see which packages were upgraded last or at least give us some more information - Which desktop environment? Are any power managers running? If so, which? Best, Claudius -- Please don’t CC me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303193841.467ce...@ares.home.chubig.net
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
On 2013/3/3 2:28 PM, Go Linux wrote: --- On Sun, 3/3/13, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/3 6:25 AM, Brian wrote: On Sat 02 Mar 2013 at 19:56:43 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: The reason I switched the target from an 8-GB USB flash drive to a USB hard drive is that someone said I couldn't install to a USB flash drive because of the flash structures and that I should switch to a hard drive because the MBR will be easier to deal with. I thought that suggestion was bogus, but I went along with it because I had a spare USB hard drive and because I wanted to move past that roadblock, even if bogus. --cut-- when that didn't work, I switched the target to the USB hard drive as suggested by someone. I think that suggestion started here ;) . . . --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013/3/1 3:29 PM, Go Linux wrote: --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid it's install Linux on a USB thumb drive or nothing. Duh . . . How about installing on an external hard drive? That would be nice, but that would be on USB also... The problem is not with USB. The problem is flash vs hard drive. AFAIK you CAN install grub2 to a hard drive and boot from it. Thanks for dredging this out. Yes, that's when I switched the target from an 8-GB USB flash drive to a USB hard drive. Whether, in fact, what was written is true: that grub will not install to a flash drive, remains to be tested. Having installed to a USB hard drive, my next task will be installing to a USB flash drive. That may fail as predicted, but it's worth a try. ...I think I remember reading a few years ago that there exists a grub-replacement specifically for flash drives. I'm sorry if some folks have been confused about the identity of the target. Forget the 8-GB USB flash drive. The problem is with installation to a USB hard drive. It occurs only with the GUI installer, not the text-mode installer. Now, understand, by text-mode installer, I mean the menu-driven, non-GUI installer. I do not mean a command-line installer (if there even *is* one of those). The term text-mode is used by the Debian Live+LXDE boot menu. And before I leave this (to return later today with a great many results), I'd like to apologize for starting 3 differing threads. I would not normally do that, but I did it because some people were gleefully coming after me poisoning each existing thread with posts about trolling. Ciao - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133b099.2040...@gmail.com
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
On Sun 03 Mar 2013 at 12:29:44 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/3 6:25 AM, Brian wrote: Ok. You are using USB flash/USB flash drive/USB hard disc/USB drive interchangeably to refer to the same device? Its good to have that clarified. [Snip] Prior to attempting to install to the USB hard drive, I tried to install to an 8-GB USB flash drive - that's right: initially there were 2 USB flash drives. I differentiated between them this way: source: 1-GB USB flash drive booting Debian Live, target: 8-GB USB flash drive. The reason I switched the target from an 8-GB USB flash drive to a USB hard drive is that someone said I couldn't install to a USB flash drive because of the flash structures and that I should switch to a hard drive because the MBR will be easier to deal with. I thought that suggestion was bogus, but I went along with it because I had a spare USB hard drive and because I wanted to move past that roadblock, even if bogus. In a previous mail I said: You may not realise it but substituting the USB stick you initially used for a USB hard disc is the crux of the matter. You replied: I did not make a substitution. So I attempted to accomodate this information by thinking in terms of a lack of understanding on my part. It turns out I was correct to begin with. Case1 (Unsuccessful) The 8GB drive had previously had Debian Live installed to it. (This is clearly described in your first post). The target drive would contain information about an iso9660 filesystem. GRUB is designed not to install to a drive when it detects an iso9660 filesystem is present on it. [1] What you have written above is not correct. I *had* installed Debian Live+Gnome on the 8-GB USB flash drive *but* I didn't use it. I installed Debian Live+LXDE on the 1-GB USB flash drive and *used* *that* as the source. The target *was* going to be the 8-GB USB flash drive (overwriting the existing Debian Live installed on it), but, when that didn't work, I switched the target to the USB hard drive as suggested by someone. It is 100% correct. From your first post 1.1 - Copied the Debian-Gnome Live ISO to an 8-GB USB. 6 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 6.1 - Attempted install to 8-GB USB (overwrite Debian-Gnome already on it). 6.2 - Install failed! Had the USB hard drive been used instead of the 8-GB USB and *exactly* the same install attempted it too would have failed. The nature or size of the device being installed to is immaterial, as is whether it is a text mode or GUI install. The only thing that matters is that the device has previously had an isohybrid ISO written to it. I even provide a way of seeing how GRUB reacts to being put on a device which has held an isohybrid ISO. You now have a functioning Debian machine so could follow the procedure given. I cannot say if it will involve more or less effort than posting a syslog excerpt. :) [A largish snip. The content appears to be a distraction from the main issue] You have told us as much above. The state of the 8GB drive for the text mode install is different from its initial state. I was not using the 8-GB USB flash drive. The state of the USB hard drive for the text mode install was different from the state of the 8-GB USB flash drive. Incidentally, it is never a good idea to change more than one variable at a time in an experiment. It can (as it has in your case) lead to an invalid or erroneous conclusion. I did not change variables. Source: 1-GB USB flash drive. Target: USB hard drive. Initially - Source: 1-GB USB flash drive. Target: 8-GB USB flash drive with an isohybrid ISO written to it. At a later time - Source: 1-GB USB flash drive. Target: USB hard drive which had never had an isohybrid ISO written to it. A second variable is the install mode. You altered this at the same time you replaced the 8-GB USB flash drive with a USB hard drive. For those who wish to reproduce the bug. Write a netinst image to two USB devices. Boot from one device and install to the second one. Try text and GUI modes. It's about an hour's work at most. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303203339.GV14686@desktop
Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)
David Guntner wrote: Bob Proulx grabbed a keyboard and wrote: For one I use the mailing list headers List-Id and List-Post. Those are the standard headers and those are the best ones to use for filing mailing list messages. Smart MUAs use those to know how to do a list-reply. Therefore the copy I want is the copy that comes from the mailing list. Not every MUA does, however. The one I'm using, for example, does not (or if it does, I've never figured out how to turn that feature on...). Therefor, I've also got a Procmail recipe that adds a Reply-To: pointing back to the list on my local copy (of debian-user, since it doesn't add one itself - on lists that do so, I don't use that rule) so that when I hit reply, it goes back to the list as it should since most of the time a reply should go back to the list when replying to a posting on the list. And I don't want to have to remember to do it manually each time I reply. :-) My takeaway is that you have applied a workaround that shouldn't be needed to a problem that shouldn't exist. Applying Reply-To destroys the sender's use of Reply-To which is reserved for them to use. The classic line here is, Now you have two problems. :-) It all depends on your experiences and own requirements. I for one am on a decade+ old list that was home grown - the guy running it rolled his own, so to speak. It doesn't use a subject tag, and it has never had those now-standard List-ID headers, nor is it likely to anytime in the future. So even if I *were* using a MUA that understands those headers, it would do me no good. I would nag your buddy into adding those headers. It will help modern mail user agents to be able to do the right thing automatically. It has never occurred to me to ever filter based in a List-ID field, since back in the old days when I started doing this, they hadn't yet come into existence. :-) Every decade or so it is good to take a breath and look around and make smart upgrades to systems. The Debian mailing lists have been around for a long time and are basically a home grown system too (using Smartlist) but they comply with modern standards. I operate several Majordomo mailing lists and they all comply with the modern standards. It is really as easy piping the message through formail and having it add the headers. And even *after* coming into existence, you still have to *send* your message to the list in question, thus the To: or Cc: will *always* be there, regardless of the presence (or lack thereof) of a List-ID header. Also, by filtering on those (To, Cc), it works 100% of the time - even if the above recipe deletes the list copy if it came in second. :-) For a nasty example, I hate it when people BCC mailing lists. Then the To and CC fields are not able to reply to the mailing list because they don't include it. But since List-Post is added by the mailing list that value is correct. But that is an example of something that shouldn't be happening. Many lists block bcc to the list since that is an anti-spam strategy too. For myself, this is what I use specifically for the Debian users list: ... It will pretty much catch the string being looked for if it shows up *anywhere* in the message headers. :-) Since I've never filtered based on a header which may-or-may-not be there, deleting the second, duplicate copy of a message has never caused a problem even if that one was the list-processed copy. In fact, I would argue that using the above filter (TO_) is *less* problematic than the method you use, since deleting a duplicate Message-ID does have the potential to remove the copy that actually went through the list - it doesn't matter which one got to you first, since it *still* gets filtered into the correct folder. But again, it's all a matter of personal taste, personal experiences and personal requirements (like I said, I'm on a really old mailing list which has never had List-ID headers and most likely hell will freeze over before it gets them; the list has been around longer than the RFC which defines List-ID). Yep. P.S. Here is the procmail rules I use to file all Debian mailing list messages. :0 * ^List-Id: .*debian-[-a-zA-Z0-9]+\.lists\.debian\.org * ^List-Id: .*debian-\/[-a-zA-Z0-9]+ Lists/debian/$MATCH/ :0 * ^List-Id: .*[-a-zA-Z0-9]+\.lists\.alioth\.debian\.org * ^List-Id: .*\/[-a-zA-Z0-9]+ Lists/debian/$MATCH/ That's great for filing (and cool to know about, for mailing lists which include those standard headers). How does it get rid of the dup when someone does a To: the list and Cc: the person on the list he's replying to? It doesn't. Which is why I noted it as a post script. But it is related. (Remember, I sent the above recipe because someone was complaining about duplicate message, not that they didn't know how to filter them into a folder - in essence, you've provided an answer to a question that he didn't ask.
Re: moving /var
Mr G wrote: Why can't you just #mount --rebind /var /newvar Because that won't copy the data into the new filesystem. To do that you do actually need to copy the data as described in the previous messages. (I prefer 'rsync -a' over 'cp -a' because rsync can be restarted efficiently.) Then once copied it needs to be swapped into place. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
Brian wrote: Had the USB hard drive been used instead of the 8-GB USB and *exactly* the same install attempted it too would have failed. The nature or size of the device being installed to is immaterial, as is whether it is a text mode or GUI install. The only thing that matters is that the device has previously had an isohybrid ISO written to it. [...] Write a netinst image to two USB devices. Boot from one device and install to the second one. Try text and GUI modes. It's about an hour's work at most. But will this happen even if one formats the partition holding the iso? What if the installation proccess is done normally, the target device that happens to hold the iso is partitioned and all the partitions are formatted? When grub gets to be installed, in the last installation step, all the information that an iso existed before is gone, or no? Anyway, it must be said that you did an impressive investigation with very scarce resources to say the least, Brian! João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/c369b4f7d1b839d68b3743240a09aced.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:53:37 -0500 Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: My objective: Install WiFi driver into Debian+LXDE so that I can connect to the Internet. My problem: All the help I can find covers installing packages over the Internet. But I can't install packages over the Internet because I can't reach the Internet until I've installed the driver (not part of Debian because it's non-free) and a Network Manager (apparently, not part of Debian+LXDE ...or at least I can't find it under System Tools ...I think that's what the menu item is named). Network manager is not actually necessary to do anything, and until recently it had a rather poor reputation, usually being known as Notwork Manager. It's quite big and overbearing, and has many plug-ins, for OpenVPN, wi-fi, 3G dongles and other things. It does seem to work these days, or at least the Sid version does. I don't have it on my workstation, which is a purely wired-Ethernet machine, but both my laptop and netbook have it. Packages I have: aptitude_0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1_amd64.deb// Debian - Package Manager firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb // Debian - WiFi Drivers synaptic_0.70~pre1+b1_amd64.deb // Debian - Package Manager wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb// Debian (all but Gnome) - Network Manager wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_amd64.deb // Debian - WiFi Tools Documentation I have: (copied off the Internet and saved where I can get to them when I'm in Debian+LXDE...) How to use a WiFi interface (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse) Intel PRO-Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices (http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy) WiFi Ad-hoc Network (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc) iwconfig (http://wiki.debian.org/iwconfig) iwconfig man page as a text file. BTW, before I go on, I already tried opening a file manager (in Debian+LXDE) and simply double-clicking one of the .deb files. Nothing happened. There are packages which will install .deb files in this way, having set up the right file association, but they are not installed by default in LXDE. Anyway, the missing link here is that you use dpkg: dpkg -i full-name-of-.deb-file Assuming you have the right driver, you shouldn't have a problem. I've never used wicd, but no doubt someone else will tell you if you need to do anything with it. I'm not a big wireless fan. Network Manager Just Works, or at least it does for me. I don't know what to do or what I'll need once I'm booted back into Debian+LXDE ...remember: I won't have Internet. Assuming that I'll need to know how to run a Package Manager, I've looked at the following (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html#contents): When you have Net access, there's a vast number of apt-get and aptitude tutorials, or Synaptic is fairly intuitive to use without much help. (Before listing the contents of the appropriate section of debian-faq below, I need to say that I really, really tried to read this stuff. My eyes glazed over. You must know, from long experience, that theory is almost useless until you've done a bit of practice, by rote if necessary. You guys know the stuff above. I'd be willing to *try* to read it if you think I'll need it, No. I don't know most of that and, with three somewhat different Sid installations, I probably do more upgrades than most people. I look things up as and when I need them. I can't say offhand how to export an Exchange mailbox, either, but I know how to find out how to do it, and I have done it a few times. Aptitude and apt-get will be installed by default, they both drive dpkg which is the low-level package manager and is part of the Debian core. Synaptic is a GUI program and I use it when Sid has issues with upgrades, as it does occasionally, I find it faster than aptitude in identifying things that are currently uninstallable. Some people never use it, and my server doesn't have a GUI, so I obviously don't use it there. Debian Stable is much better-behaved than Sid. All three apt tools will install everything in the repositories they are configured for, you only need dpkg for .deb files obtained elsewhere. I use it for that maybe twice a year. A lot of Linux software has a .deb available even if Debian has not yet included it in a distribution. dpkg does have many other uses, but not for the beginner. Among other things, it will pretty much copy a Debian installation, complete with all software installed from the repositories. You can migrate from 32 bit to 64 bit hardware that way. Let's see you do that with Windows. There is also a GUI Update Manager, but either apt-get or aptitude will do updates from the command line with minimal effort. However, one thing's for certain: If I don't succeed with this, a year from now I will not be running Linux. You think we care? It will be your loss. You do realise, yet again, you are in an unusual situation? I can't remember ever being stuck with a single
Re: RAID1 all bootable
Hi Francesco, As far as I can determine reading this thread you have had a RAID1 with two disks sda and sdb. The disk sda failed. But grub was only installed on the failed sda. The disk sdb contains a mirror of everything but does not boot. Earlier in the thread Lennart gave an excellent suggestion: Lennart Sorensen wrote: You can boot the install disk in rescue mode, select the root partition to chroot into, then run grub-install from there. When grub asks where to install, you should configure it for both sda and sdb. I think 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' is where that is selected. Might need it to use -plow to asks all levels of questions. Not sure. +1 for this suggestion. This is definitely the way to go to fix your problem. Francesco Pietra wrote: In my case, with the sda that contained grub loader replaced by a new disk, the rescue mode (using the same CD installer for amd64 wheezy) did not find any partition. Inverting the SATA cables, same result. No partitions at all? That is scary. And I find it to be hard to believe. No partitions would mean that the data from your disks were zeroed out. Perhaps you were mistaken? Please try it again. In both cases (I mean position of SATA cables) I went to the shell in the installer environment: Don't work from the installer environment. Work from the target environment. That is a critical difference! #fisk /dev/sda (or sdb) fisk? That command does not exist in the installer environment. You must have been elsewhere. device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, etc (expected for a raid) Try 'cat /proc/partitions' for a simple safe read-only start. #dmesg |grep -i sd sda (and sbb): unknown partition table (expected for a raid), however md: raid0 md: raid1 were identified, along with rai4, 5, 6 etc (unfortunately | less does not work to see the whole message). Am I using the Rescue Mode improperly? I was unable to dig into the HD that contains md0 (booth loader, EXT2) and md1 ( LVM partitions home tmp usr opt var swap EXT3) I believe you are using rescue mode improperly. I have written about how to use rescue mode several times recently. Here is one posting: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/01/msg00218.html Here is the official documentation for it: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en But that is fairly terse. Let me say that the rescue mode looks just like the install mode initially. It will ask you keyboard and locale questions and you might wonder if you are rescuing or installing! But it will have Rescue in the upper left corner so that you can tell that you are not in install mode and be assured. Get the tool set up with keyboard, locale, timezone, and similar and eventually it will give you a menu with a list of actions. Here is a quick run-through. Advanced options... Rescue mode keyboard dialog ...starts networking... hostname dialog domainname dialog ...apt update release files... ...loading additional components, Retrieving udebs... ...detecting disks... Then eventually it will get to a menu Enter rescue mode that will ask what device to use as a root file system. It will list the partitions that it has automatically detected. One of the menu entry items near the bottom will be Assemble RAID array. That will bring up the next dialog menu asking for partitions to assemble. Select the appropriate for your system. Then continue. Since at this point you have one disk with data and one disk without it means you must assemble a degraded array with only one disk. Select the disk with your data on it. Start the array with that one disk. If you used LVM (I always do) then that should produce an additional set of listings for the lvm volumes on your system including the root logical volume. Select it. At that point it presents a menu Execute a shell in /dev/ That should get you a shell on your system with the array mounted. You should 'cat /proc/mdstat' and verify that you have a degraded array with one disk. If you replaced sda with a new sda disk then sdb will contain your data. Assuming sdb1 for md0 and sdb5 for md1 would produce the need for these commands. Adjust those partitions as needed to match your case. Examine the arrays. Assuming md0 is on your sdb1 then: mdadm --detail /dev/md0 mdadm --examine /dev/sdb1 At that point I would do nothing before sync'ing the array to the new disk. If you have multiple arrays then sync each of them. Adjust these partition names as appropriate for your case as determined by the above inspection. mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1 mdadm --manage /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdb5 mdadm --manage /dev/md2 ... and so forth If you have /boot on a separate partition then I would let it finish before installing grub. Or if it is on the main root partition then I would let the entire root partition containing /boot finish syncing before installing grub.
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
On 03.03.2013 23:53, Mark Filipak wrote: My objective: Install WiFi driver into Debian+LXDE so that I can connect to the Internet. My problem: All the help I can find covers installing packages over the Internet. But I can't install packages over the Internet because I can't reach the Internet until I've installed the driver (not part of Debian because it's non-free) and a Network Manager (apparently, not part of Debian+LXDE ...or at least I can't find it under System Tools ...I think that's what the menu item is named). Packages I have: aptitude_0.6.3-3.2+squeeze1_amd64.deb // Debian - Package Manager firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb // Debian - WiFi Drivers synaptic_0.70~pre1+b1_amd64.deb // Debian - Package Manager wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb // Debian (all but Gnome) - Network Manager wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_amd64.deb // Debian - WiFi Tools Documentation I have: (copied off the Internet and saved where I can get to them when I'm in Debian+LXDE...) How to use a WiFi interface (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse) Intel PRO-Wireless 3945 and WiFi Link 4965 devices (http://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy) WiFi Ad-hoc Network (http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/AdHoc) iwconfig (http://wiki.debian.org/iwconfig) iwconfig man page as a text file. BTW, before I go on, I already tried opening a file manager (in Debian+LXDE) and simply double-clicking one of the .deb files. Nothing happened. I don't know what to do or what I'll need once I'm booted back into Debian+LXDE ...remember: I won't have Internet. Assuming that I'll need to know how to run a Package Manager, I've looked at the following (http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html#contents): (Before listing the contents of the appropriate section of debian-faq below, I need to say that I really, really tried to read this stuff. My eyes glazed over. I looked for something like how to install a deb binary but couldn't find it. As I read the details of what I couldn't relate to and what I didn't understand and what I don't really care about - God created the Earth in 6 days so that we could argue over it forever after - I had my hands full simply trying to stay awake. Forgive me but I don't want to know the excruciating details of Linux and how it works. I'm not going to stand back after a year of study saying, My, that's wonderful!. I... don't... care. I'm here to use Linux, not to praise it. My objective is to copy stuff I *might* need for offline use.) 7 Basics of the Debian package management system 7.1 What is a Debian package? 7.2 What is the format of a Debian binary package? 7.3 Why are Debian package file names so long? 7.4 What is a Debian control file? 7.5 What is a Debian conffile? 7.6 What is a Debian preinst, postinst, prerm, and postrm script? 7.7 What is an Essential, Required, Important, Standard, Optional, or Extra package? 7.8 What is a Virtual Package? 7.9 What is meant by saying that a package Depends, Recommends, Suggests, Conflicts, Replaces, Breaks or Provides another package? 7.10 What is meant by Pre-Depends? 7.11 What is meant by unknown, install, remove, purge and hold in the package status? 7.12 How do I put a package on hold? 7.13 How do I install a source package? 7.14 How do I build binary packages from a source package? 7.15 How do I create Debian packages myself? 8 The Debian package management tools 8.1 What programs does Debian provide for managing its packages? 8.1.1 dpkg 8.1.2 APT 8.1.3 aptitude 8.1.4 synaptic 8.1.5 tasksel 8.1.6 Other package management tools 8.2 Debian claims to be able to update a running program; how is this accomplished? 8.3 How can I tell what packages are already installed on a Debian system? 8.4 How to display the files of a package installed? 8.5 How can I find out what package produced a particular file? 8.6 Why doesn't get `foo-data' removed when I uninstall `foo'? How do I make sure old unused library-packages get purged? 9 Keeping your Debian system up-to-date 9.1 How can I keep my Debian system current? 9.1.1 aptitude 9.1.2 apt-get, dselect and apt-cdrom 9.1.3 aptitude 9.1.4 mirror 9.1.5 dpkg-mountable 9.2 Must I go into single user mode in order to upgrade a package? 9.3 Do I have to keep all those .deb archive files on my disk? 9.4 How can I keep a log of the packages I added to the system? I'd like to know when which package upgrades and removals have occured! 9.5 Can I automatically update the system? 9.6 I have several machines how can I download the updates only one time? You guys know the stuff above. I'd be willing to *try* to read it if you think I'll need it, but please remember: all I want is to install the WiFi driver, firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb. Perhaps a year from now I'll step back and look at Linux and say, That's wonderful! but I doubt it. However, one thing's for certain: If I don't succeed with this, a year from now I will not be running Linux. Any help gratefully appreciated! Thanks, and Ciao. Hi Mark. Why do you think you need
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
On 2013/3/3 3:33 PM, Brian wrote: On Sun 03 Mar 2013 at 12:29:44 -0500, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/3 6:25 AM, Brian wrote: Ok. You are using USB flash/USB flash drive/USB hard disc/USB drive interchangeably to refer to the same device? Its good to have that clarified. [Snip] Prior to attempting to install to the USB hard drive, I tried to install to an 8-GB USB flash drive - that's right: initially there were 2 USB flash drives. I differentiated between them this way: source: 1-GB USB flash drive booting Debian Live, target: 8-GB USB flash drive. The reason I switched the target from an 8-GB USB flash drive to a USB hard drive is that someone said I couldn't install to a USB flash drive because of the flash structures and that I should switch to a hard drive because the MBR will be easier to deal with. I thought that suggestion was bogus, but I went along with it because I had a spare USB hard drive and because I wanted to move past that roadblock, even if bogus. In a previous mail I said: You may not realise it but substituting the USB stick you initially used for a USB hard disc is the crux of the matter. ROFL! Now I get it. You don't mean what you wrote above. You mean that the initial target was a flash drive, then I switched the target to a hard drive. That's correct, but that's not what you say above. ...It's a matter of semantics and the use of the preposition for, but I won't belabor it. What's important is understanding... First, I *really* appreciate your effort. You've a good heart. I hope I won't disappoint. Second, Let's just forget about the 8-GB flash drive, okay? Pretend I never mentioned it. What's important is this: Source: Debian Live+LXDE Target: USB hard drive Dbl-clicking the GUI Installer icon on the LXDE desktop ultimately fails at the step where GRUB is installed. But running the 'Text-mode' installer from the boot menu succeeds. Now, I think I also did run the GUI installer from the boot menu, and I think it failed also, but that's going to have to wait until I rerun this whole procedure and see what's repeatable. Stay tuned (...or don't). You replied: I did not make a substitution. What that means is: From the time that I tried to use the GUI installer targeting the hard disk, to the time that I succeeded with the text-mode installer targeting the hard disk, I did not make a substitution. You see, what I did before that (the steps targeting the 8-GB flash drive) is not really important or germane to the problem, but to be concise, Yes, indeed Brian you *are* correct. I *did* make a substitution, but that was early in the process and a long time before the bug became manifest. I'm so sorry for the confusion. Kindly accept my apology. So I attempted to accomodate this information by thinking in terms of a lack of understanding on my part. It turns out I was correct to begin with. Case1 (Unsuccessful) The 8GB drive had previously had Debian Live installed to it. (This is clearly described in your first post). The target drive would contain information about an iso9660 filesystem. GRUB is designed not to install to a drive when it detects an iso9660 filesystem is present on it. [1] What you have written above is not correct. I *had* installed Debian Live+Gnome on the 8-GB USB flash drive *but* I didn't use it. I installed Debian Live+LXDE on the 1-GB USB flash drive and *used* *that* as the source. The target *was* going to be the 8-GB USB flash drive (overwriting the existing Debian Live installed on it), but, when that didn't work, I switched the target to the USB hard drive as suggested by someone. It is 100% correct. From your first post 1.1 - Copied the Debian-Gnome Live ISO to an 8-GB USB. 6 - Booted Debian-LXDE on 1-GB USB. 6.1 - Attempted install to 8-GB USB (overwrite Debian-Gnome already on it). 6.2 - Install failed! Had the USB hard drive been used instead of the 8-GB USB and *exactly* the same install attempted it too would have failed. The nature or size of the device being installed to is immaterial, as is whether it is a text mode or GUI install. The only thing that matters is that the device has previously had an isohybrid ISO written to it. Actually, that's not true. The hard drive never had an ISO written to it. It was unpartitioned. I even provide a way of seeing how GRUB reacts to being put on a device which has held an isohybrid ISO. You now have a functioning Debian machine so could follow the procedure given. I cannot say if it will involve more or less effort than posting a syslog excerpt. :) [A largish snip. The content appears to be a distraction from the main issue] You have told us as much above. The state of the 8GB drive for the text mode install is different from its initial state. I was not using the 8-GB USB flash drive. The state of the USB hard drive for the text mode install was different from the state of the 8-GB USB
Wheezy RC1 - Installing python:i386 on amd64 machine
Hi, I've been trying to install python2.7:i386 on an amd64 machine (i require it for another piece closed-source software that only has 32 bit support), and i'm having trouble doing that. Since im using Wheezy RC1 i'm aware of the possibility that there's no solution available but i'd like to avoid installing native 32 bit OS because i need the extra RAM and performance. Also, debian 6 AFAIK only has python2.6 packages (with which i have other dependency issues) I'd like any suggestion i can get... To make myself clearer i included shell output for what i'm trying to do and what's the machine's status. Thanks! user@vmdeb:~$ su -c apt-get install python2.7:i386 Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: python2.7:i386 : Depends: mime-support:i386 but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. user@vmdeb:~$ su -c apt-get install mime-support:i386 Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package mime-support:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'mime-support:i386' has no installation candidate user@vmdeb:~$ uname -a Linux vmdeb 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2 x86_64 GNU/Linux user@vmdeb:~$ cat /etc/debian_version 7.0 user@vmdeb:~$ dpkg --print-foreign-architectures i386 user@vmdeb:~$ dpkg --print-architecture amd64
Re: Wheezy RC1 - Installing python:i386 on amd64 machine
On 2013-03-03 22:36 +0100, nir izraeli wrote: I've been trying to install python2.7:i386 on an amd64 machine (i require it for another piece closed-source software that only has 32 bit support), and i'm having trouble doing that. You cannot really do that, I'm afraid. Since im using Wheezy RC1 i'm aware of the possibility that there's no solution available but i'd like to avoid installing native 32 bit OS because i need the extra RAM and performance. Also, debian 6 AFAIK only has python2.6 packages (with which i have other dependency issues) I'd like any suggestion i can get... Set up an i386 chroot and install python2.7 and your application there. The schroot package makes using such a setup relatively painless. user@vmdeb:~$ su -c apt-get install python2.7:i386 Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: python2.7:i386 : Depends: mime-support:i386 but it is not installable E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. user@vmdeb:~$ su -c apt-get install mime-support:i386 Password: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package mime-support:i386 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'mime-support:i386' has no installation candidate The problem is that mime-support is an Architecture:all package, but not marked as Multi-Arch: foreign, so it does not fulfill dependencies of packages from foreign architectures. For details, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=695357. With the mime-support package in experimental, you should be theoretically able to install python2.7:i386, but since that package is not Multiarch: foreign either, many packages which depend on python2.7 (or just python) become uninstallabe, so this is not really an option. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87txosdtyv@turtle.gmx.de
Auto-emptying of trash.
I'm trying to get a bash script working from a cron job that will empty
trash of all files and directories that are older than $N [7 days in
this case]. This partly works but is very inefficient in that it
doesn't delete everything that is available to be deleted, just tends
to leave stuff with no apparent reasoning.
###
#!/bin/bash
# emptyTrash.sh
DAYS=7 # retain for N days
for SUBDIR in files info
do
echo Lookin\' in Trash/${SUBDIR}...
find ${HOME}/.local/share/Trash/$SUBDIR -mtime +${DAYS} -exec rm
-vrf {} \; done
Can anyone help me with getting a better working script please?
Thanks
Sharon.
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
On 2013/3/3 4:20 PM, Joe wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:53:37 -0500 Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: -snip- BTW, before I go on, I already tried opening a file manager (in Debian+LXDE) and simply double-clicking one of the .deb files. Nothing happened. There are packages which will install .deb files in this way, having set up the right file association, but they are not installed by default in LXDE. Anyway, the missing link here is that you use dpkg: dpkg -i full-name-of-.deb-file May I make a few comments here? First, Thanks Joe! Second, I just returned from Debian-land. I discovered Aptitude *was* installed. The reason I didn't think it was installed was because it wasn't listed in LXDE's System Tools menu. But when I opened a terminal session and typed in aptitude, there it was. Third, the rest of your very good information is getting snipped, but I promise that I will use it. For now, I need help interpreting what I found in Debian-land. = mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ su Password: root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# aptitude update Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze Release.gpg Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56]/ squeeze/main Translation-en Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56]/ squeeze/main Translation-en_US Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze Release Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# aptitude install wicd Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched wicd Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched wicd No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# aptitude install wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# = What I did: The packages resided in a FAT-32 partition that I prepared in Windows. I opened the FAT-32 (./media/usb8) in a file browser. I browsed to the folder that contained the packages (./Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages). From the file browser's menu, I opened a terminal window in the current folder. My session dialog is above. I copied the session dialog to a text file and saved it in the FAT-32 partition. I booted Windows and copied the session dialog into this message. Questions/comments (in no particular order): Comment: I submitted 'aptitude update' because it was part of the example I followed. Comment: I submitted 'aptitude install wicd' because it was part of the example I followed. Obviously, 'wicd' is not sufficient. Question: Why didn't 'aptitude install wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb' work? Question (your response is optional): Why is there a redundant failure line for each failure? Question (your response is optional): Why, following the redundant failure line, are 3 additional lines written? This is the sort of behavior that confuses people and makes them think that Linux is unfriendly. Oh, one last thing: 'wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb' is correct and is in the correct folder. Why 'aptitude' couldn't find it is a mystery to me. Thanks Ciao - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133d156.5010...@gmail.com
Re: Auto-emptying of trash.
Sharon Kimble wrote:
I'm trying to get a bash script working from a cron job that will empty
trash of all files and directories that are older than $N [7 days in
this case]. This partly works but is very inefficient in that it
doesn't delete everything that is available to be deleted, just tends
to leave stuff with no apparent reasoning.
Very likely you are running into the problem that removing files from
the directory causes the directory to be updated. Because the
directory is updated it ceases to be old enough to be aged off. This
leaves them around until they become old enough to be an age candidate
again.
Let's walk through the problem step by step.
#!/bin/bash
Since there are no bash features I suggest using /bin/sh the standard
shell. Others would say use bash features. :-) I like standard
better. A preference.
# emptyTrash.sh
The use of a .sh on the end is frowned upon. Sure it is a shell
script at this instant. But you actually have a bash script and so it
should be called .bash instead of .sh. But next week you might want
to convert it to a perl script. Two weeks after that you might want
to convert it to a python script. Or Ruby. Encoding the language in
the extension then gets in the way. It isn't needed. If your editor
is a smart one, and most are these days, then it doesn't need the
extension to know how to syntax highlight it.
for SUBDIR in files info
do
echo Lookin\' in Trash/${SUBDIR}...
find ${HOME}/.local/share/Trash/$SUBDIR -mtime +${DAYS} -exec rm -vrf {}
\; done
Running 'find' and 'for' is inconsistent. The 'find' command can do
both. I would have it do both.
The \; part is the classic old legacy way of running find's -exec.
It runs one argument per command. That is less efficient than running
as many arguments as possible. The new (ten years old is still new)
way to do this and POSIX standard is using +. Using + will stack
as many arguments as possible and is very efficient.
Let's start by printing the entries and then work from there.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -mtime +$DAYS -print
Files and directories. I would like to remove only the files first.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +$DAYS -print
I would like find to remove them itself. The -delete option was added
to GNU find some years ago and is available in all current GNU systems.
# Warning: This fires the -delete option and will delete those files!
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +$DAYS -delete
The files are gone. Directories may be left behind. I would like to
remove the directories as a second pass.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type d -print
Looks good. Let's remove those too. But I am likely to avoid looking
to see if a directory should be removed and simply try to remove it
and deal with the non-empty errors. These are not files and were only
created because the files were put there. No need to look at mtime on
the trash directories. Just rmdir any empty directory. Using
rmdir is very safe because it cannot remove files. The rmdir can
only remove empty directories making it a quite safe command to simply
fling out without looking. Can only remove directories from the
bottom up so turn on -depth.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} +
...may have some errors about non-empty directories...
Looking better. But if a directory is not empty the GNU rmdir command
has an option specifically for it. Let's ignore only that case.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -depth -type d -exec rmdir
--ignore-fail-on-non-empty {} +
And there we have the components for this type of cleanup the way I
would do them. (Others would undoubtedly prefer a different way.
There is more than one way to do this.) And so we are left with these
two commands run one after the other to do the full clean up.
#!/bin/sh
# emptyTrash
DAYS=7 # retain for N days
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +$DAYS -delete
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -depth -type d -exec rmdir
--ignore-fail-on-non-empty {} +
Hope that helps.
Bob
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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
On 2013/3/3 4:34 PM, Roman V.Leon. wrote: -big snip- Why do you think you need a special driver? Please type /sbin/ifconfig -a in your terminal to check whether you have wlan0 device or not in the list. mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ /sbin/ifconfig -a eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:18:8b:dc:30:fd BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Interrupt:18 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:24 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:1696 (1.6 KiB) TX bytes:1696 (1.6 KiB) pan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr ba:3e:86:e1:5a:91 BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1b:77:80:2d:b9 BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B) Well, 00:1b:77:80:2d:b9 is indeed the WiFi's NIC. So why can't I get to the Ethernet, and why does everything I see on the Internet (when I'm in Windows of course) say that I must obtain an Intel 3945ABG driver because it's non-free? ...Come to me and fall on thy knees, and I will set thee free! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133d6e3.2050...@gmail.com
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
You need the firmware-iwlwifi package. # dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi will tell you if the package is installed. It probably wont be on the install disk as it is the nonfree repository. You may have to adjust /etc/apt/sources.list depending on how you answered the questions when you installed. And lastly I apologize to everyone on the list on behalf of my phone. Now I have gotten on the computer and find that google has changed their entire interface for replies and am not sure how this is going to turn out either. On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.comwrote: On 2013/3/3 4:20 PM, Joe wrote: On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:53:37 -0500 Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.com wrote: -snip- BTW, before I go on, I already tried opening a file manager (in Debian+LXDE) and simply double-clicking one of the .deb files. Nothing happened. There are packages which will install .deb files in this way, having set up the right file association, but they are not installed by default in LXDE. Anyway, the missing link here is that you use dpkg: dpkg -i full-name-of-.deb-file May I make a few comments here? First, Thanks Joe! Second, I just returned from Debian-land. I discovered Aptitude *was* installed. The reason I didn't think it was installed was because it wasn't listed in LXDE's System Tools menu. But when I opened a terminal session and typed in aptitude, there it was. Third, the rest of your very good information is getting snipped, but I promise that I will use it. For now, I need help interpreting what I found in Debian-land. = mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ su Password: root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# aptitude update Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze Release.gpg Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56]/ squeeze/main Translation-en Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56]/ squeeze/main Translation-en_US Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze Release Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20121214-16:56] squeeze/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# aptitude install wicd Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched wicd Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched wicd No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# aptitude install wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.**deb Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_**all.deb Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_**all.deb No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# = What I did: The packages resided in a FAT-32 partition that I prepared in Windows. I opened the FAT-32 (./media/usb8) in a file browser. I browsed to the folder that contained the packages (./Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages). From the file browser's menu, I opened a terminal window in the current folder. My session dialog is above. I copied the session dialog to a text file and saved it in the FAT-32 partition. I booted Windows and copied the session dialog into this message. Questions/comments (in no particular order): Comment: I submitted 'aptitude update' because it was part of the example I followed. Comment: I submitted 'aptitude install wicd' because it was part of the example I followed. Obviously, 'wicd' is not sufficient. Question: Why didn't 'aptitude install wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.**deb' work? Question (your response is optional): Why is there a redundant failure line for each failure? Question (your response is optional): Why, following the redundant failure line, are 3 additional lines written? This is the sort of behavior that confuses people and makes them think that Linux is unfriendly. Oh, one last thing: 'wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_**all.deb' is correct and is in the correct folder. Why 'aptitude' couldn't find it is a mystery to me. Thanks Ciao - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.**debian.orgdebian-user-requ...@lists.debian.orgwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
On Sunday 03 March 2013 22:40:22 Mark Filipak wrote:
Comment: I submitted 'aptitude install wicd' because it was part of the
example I followed. Obviously, 'wicd' is not sufficient.
Why is it obviously not sufficient? I would have said that it was. But you
would need the right repositories and a connection to the net. On my box:
root@Tux-II:/home/lisi# aptitude install wicd
The following NEW packages will be installed:
libnl1{a} libpcsclite1{a} python-glade2{a} python-iniparse{a}
python-notify{a}
python-wicd{a} wicd wicd-daemon{a} wicd-gtk{a} wpasupplicant{a}
0 packages upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 1,180 kB of archives. After unpacking 4,212 kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] n
Abort.
root@Tux-II:/home/lisi#
As you see, just wicd would be fine. I aborted because I have no wireless
on this box and so don't actually want it installed.
Question: Why
didn't 'aptitude install wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb' work?
If you want to install a .deb in that way, you need to use dpkg, as mentioned
by Joe:
From the directory that the deb is in:
dpkg -i wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb
If it complains that there are missing dependencies, curse, wish you had used
aptitude, and install them. Someone else will need to tell you how to manage
that from a box without internet access. I, when faced with this problem,
always temporarily install an old network card so that I have got internet
access to sort things out.
HTH
Lisi
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Re: Auto-emptying of trash.
Thanks for this, and I've tried it out but its still not deleting files, as
I output it to a txt.file which still remain empty.
There is a programme, ported from ubuntu, called 'autotrash' in the repos.
And although I've set it up as per its man page, but its output remains at
zero, and not working.
Maybe I'm going about this from the wrong end?
Sharon.
On 3 March 2013 22:43, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
Sharon Kimble wrote:
I'm trying to get a bash script working from a cron job that will empty
trash of all files and directories that are older than $N [7 days in
this case]. This partly works but is very inefficient in that it
doesn't delete everything that is available to be deleted, just tends
to leave stuff with no apparent reasoning.
Very likely you are running into the problem that removing files from
the directory causes the directory to be updated. Because the
directory is updated it ceases to be old enough to be aged off. This
leaves them around until they become old enough to be an age candidate
again.
Let's walk through the problem step by step.
#!/bin/bash
Since there are no bash features I suggest using /bin/sh the standard
shell. Others would say use bash features. :-) I like standard
better. A preference.
# emptyTrash.sh
The use of a .sh on the end is frowned upon. Sure it is a shell
script at this instant. But you actually have a bash script and so it
should be called .bash instead of .sh. But next week you might want
to convert it to a perl script. Two weeks after that you might want
to convert it to a python script. Or Ruby. Encoding the language in
the extension then gets in the way. It isn't needed. If your editor
is a smart one, and most are these days, then it doesn't need the
extension to know how to syntax highlight it.
for SUBDIR in files info
do
echo Lookin\' in Trash/${SUBDIR}...
find ${HOME}/.local/share/Trash/$SUBDIR -mtime +${DAYS} -exec rm
-vrf {} \; done
Running 'find' and 'for' is inconsistent. The 'find' command can do
both. I would have it do both.
The \; part is the classic old legacy way of running find's -exec.
It runs one argument per command. That is less efficient than running
as many arguments as possible. The new (ten years old is still new)
way to do this and POSIX standard is using +. Using + will stack
as many arguments as possible and is very efficient.
Let's start by printing the entries and then work from there.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -mtime +$DAYS -print
Files and directories. I would like to remove only the files first.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +$DAYS -print
I would like find to remove them itself. The -delete option was added
to GNU find some years ago and is available in all current GNU systems.
# Warning: This fires the -delete option and will delete those files!
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +$DAYS -delete
The files are gone. Directories may be left behind. I would like to
remove the directories as a second pass.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type d -print
Looks good. Let's remove those too. But I am likely to avoid looking
to see if a directory should be removed and simply try to remove it
and deal with the non-empty errors. These are not files and were only
created because the files were put there. No need to look at mtime on
the trash directories. Just rmdir any empty directory. Using
rmdir is very safe because it cannot remove files. The rmdir can
only remove empty directories making it a quite safe command to simply
fling out without looking. Can only remove directories from the
bottom up so turn on -depth.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} +
...may have some errors about non-empty directories...
Looking better. But if a directory is not empty the GNU rmdir command
has an option specifically for it. Let's ignore only that case.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -depth -type d -exec rmdir
--ignore-fail-on-non-empty {} +
And there we have the components for this type of cleanup the way I
would do them. (Others would undoubtedly prefer a different way.
There is more than one way to do this.) And so we are left with these
two commands run one after the other to do the full clean up.
#!/bin/sh
# emptyTrash
DAYS=7 # retain for N days
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +$DAYS -delete
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -depth -type d -exec rmdir
--ignore-fail-on-non-empty {} +
Hope that helps.
Bob
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Re: Auto-emptying of trash.
I've done some googling, and got it to work using this line 'rm -rf
/home/YOURUSERNAME/.local/share/Trash/files/*' but this just
blanket-empties the trash can without any care for retaining 7
days worth of files.
Sharon.
On 3 March 2013 23:27, Sharon Kimble skimbl...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for this, and I've tried it out but its still not deleting files,
as I output it to a txt.file which still remain empty.
There is a programme, ported from ubuntu, called 'autotrash' in the repos.
And although I've set it up as per its man page, but its output remains at
zero, and not working.
Maybe I'm going about this from the wrong end?
Sharon.
On 3 March 2013 22:43, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
Sharon Kimble wrote:
I'm trying to get a bash script working from a cron job that will empty
trash of all files and directories that are older than $N [7 days in
this case]. This partly works but is very inefficient in that it
doesn't delete everything that is available to be deleted, just tends
to leave stuff with no apparent reasoning.
Very likely you are running into the problem that removing files from
the directory causes the directory to be updated. Because the
directory is updated it ceases to be old enough to be aged off. This
leaves them around until they become old enough to be an age candidate
again.
Let's walk through the problem step by step.
#!/bin/bash
Since there are no bash features I suggest using /bin/sh the standard
shell. Others would say use bash features. :-) I like standard
better. A preference.
# emptyTrash.sh
The use of a .sh on the end is frowned upon. Sure it is a shell
script at this instant. But you actually have a bash script and so it
should be called .bash instead of .sh. But next week you might want
to convert it to a perl script. Two weeks after that you might want
to convert it to a python script. Or Ruby. Encoding the language in
the extension then gets in the way. It isn't needed. If your editor
is a smart one, and most are these days, then it doesn't need the
extension to know how to syntax highlight it.
for SUBDIR in files info
do
echo Lookin\' in Trash/${SUBDIR}...
find ${HOME}/.local/share/Trash/$SUBDIR -mtime +${DAYS} -exec rm
-vrf {} \; done
Running 'find' and 'for' is inconsistent. The 'find' command can do
both. I would have it do both.
The \; part is the classic old legacy way of running find's -exec.
It runs one argument per command. That is less efficient than running
as many arguments as possible. The new (ten years old is still new)
way to do this and POSIX standard is using +. Using + will stack
as many arguments as possible and is very efficient.
Let's start by printing the entries and then work from there.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -mtime +$DAYS -print
Files and directories. I would like to remove only the files first.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +$DAYS -print
I would like find to remove them itself. The -delete option was added
to GNU find some years ago and is available in all current GNU systems.
# Warning: This fires the -delete option and will delete those files!
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +$DAYS -delete
The files are gone. Directories may be left behind. I would like to
remove the directories as a second pass.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type d -print
Looks good. Let's remove those too. But I am likely to avoid looking
to see if a directory should be removed and simply try to remove it
and deal with the non-empty errors. These are not files and were only
created because the files were put there. No need to look at mtime on
the trash directories. Just rmdir any empty directory. Using
rmdir is very safe because it cannot remove files. The rmdir can
only remove empty directories making it a quite safe command to simply
fling out without looking. Can only remove directories from the
bottom up so turn on -depth.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} +
...may have some errors about non-empty directories...
Looking better. But if a directory is not empty the GNU rmdir command
has an option specifically for it. Let's ignore only that case.
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -depth -type d -exec rmdir
--ignore-fail-on-non-empty {} +
And there we have the components for this type of cleanup the way I
would do them. (Others would undoubtedly prefer a different way.
There is more than one way to do this.) And so we are left with these
two commands run one after the other to do the full clean up.
#!/bin/sh
# emptyTrash
DAYS=7 # retain for N days
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +$DAYS -delete
find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -depth -type d -exec rmdir
--ignore-fail-on-non-empty {} +
Hope that helps.
Bob
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Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
On 2013/3/3 6:10 PM, Mr G wrote: You need the firmware-iwlwifi package. # dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi will tell you if the package is installed. It probably wont be on the install disk as it is the nonfree repository. You may have to adjust /etc/apt/sources.list depending on how you answered the questions when you installed. Reminder: I don't have Internet in Debian+LXDE yet. Comment: I have the iwlwifi package. It's firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb. Remark: There were no questions when I installed (Thank doG!), so /etc/apt/sources.list may not need adjustment. Question: What is /etc/apt/sources.list? Ciao - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133e0fe.4030...@gmail.com
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
On 2013/3/3 6:10 PM, Mr G wrote: You need the firmware-iwlwifi package. # dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi You mean this one: firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb // Debian - WiFi Drivers It's on my list. Do I really install it with this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi or this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all or this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb ? Oh, never mind. I'll try all 3. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133e132.1020...@gmail.com
Re: Auto-emptying of trash.
Sharon Kimble wrote: Thanks for this, and I've tried it out but its still not deleting files, as I output it to a txt.file which still remain empty. Please say more. It works for me. You say it isn't deleting files for you. It is possible the permissions will prevent you from deleting files but in that case there should be errors from the command. Please provide an example. Start with this: find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +7 If that prints files then adding the -delete option will delete them. Honest! :-) You say it isn't deleting files. Pick a file that you think it should delete but isn't deleting. Show the file and the permissions of the directory holding that file. The permissions of the directory is the important detail about creating or deleting files. ls -ld $HOME/.local/share/Trash/files/foo ls -ld $HOME/.local/share/Trash/files I think that there simply are not any files old enough to need to be aged away. I think all of the files are current. Since they are current they do not meet your +7 days of mtime age that you originally requested. A +7 mtime age for trash files seemed reasonable to me. There is a programme, ported from ubuntu, called 'autotrash' in the repos. And although I've set it up as per its man page, but its output remains at zero, and not working. Probably for the same reason. Probably because the files are all current and none of them old enough, past your seven day threshold, to be candidates to be aged away. The 'find' command will be easier to debug. I would use it first to figure things out. Understanding a simple command is much better than not understanding a magical black box. Maybe I'm going about this from the wrong end? You have help here on the mailing list for your problem. If you make good use of it then you can understand and solve your task. There is no need to give up so easily. Stick to it! :-) Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
On 2013/3/3 6:48 PM, Mark Filipak wrote: On 2013/3/3 6:10 PM, Mr G wrote: You need the firmware-iwlwifi package. # dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi You mean this one: firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb // Debian - WiFi Drivers It's on my list. Do I really install it with this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi or this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all or this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb ? Oh, never mind. I'll try all 3. I don't quite know what to make of the results, but I did as you asked (I think). = mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi Package `firmware-iwlwifi' is not installed and no info is available. Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all Package `firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all' is not installed and no info is available. Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb Package `firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb' is not installed and no info is available. Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ = Can you suggest anything else? Ciao - Mark (mystified). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133e4d3.3000...@gmail.com
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
I tried to install wicd. = mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -i wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ su Password: root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg -i wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb Selecting previously deselected package wicd. (Reading database ... 68689 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking wicd (from wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of wicd: wicd depends on wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3); however: Package wicd-daemon is not installed. wicd depends on wicd-gtk (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-curses (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-cli (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-client; however: Package wicd-gtk is not installed. Package wicd-curses is not installed. Package wicd-cli is not installed. Package wicd-client is not installed. dpkg: error processing wicd (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: wicd root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# = I see that there are uninstalled dependencies: wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) wicd-gtk (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) wicd-curses (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) wicd-cli (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) wicd-client When I do a google search for 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3 I find lots of stuff, including Python - gee, I've written Python server code - is that needed for this? I don't know what to do, so I'll wait for some nice person to give me a push in a particular direction (and hope that it's not towards a cliff). Ciao - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133e575.6070...@gmail.com
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
No, dpkg -s just simply tells you if it is installed. If it's not then: $ cd directory where firmware-iwlwifi.deb is then: $ sudo dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb or # dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb There should have been one installed by default. If it is installed then you can move onto the next step which would be configuring your network. That works exactly the same as any other desktop. Find the icon and click or right click and pick your network or adjust settings. I can't remember, it's been several years since I used a network manager. Also for future reference, you may want to install the gdebi package or check your menu to see if it is installed. It will do the same thing as dpkg -i except it is a graphical program like you are used to and you will be able to install .deb packages from your file manager by clicking on them like you are used to using. I find such things to just simply get in my way but to each their own. On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.comwrote: On 2013/3/3 6:10 PM, Mr G wrote: You need the firmware-iwlwifi package. # dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi You mean this one: firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all.deb // Debian - WiFi Drivers It's on my list. Do I really install it with this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi or this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all or this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all.deb ? Oh, never mind. I'll try all 3. -- B G
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
Good. You found the problem. Package `firmware-iwlwifi' is not installed and no info is available. So now you need to get you and firmware-iwlwifi.deb in the same directory. Really you don't -- but let's keep it simple ;) If you don't know how do: $ man cd Once you and the package are together then do the $ sudo dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb as a regular user or: # dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb as root. Again I don't know how you answered the questions when you installed. You can type $ id and it will tell you what groups you are in. To execute the command as normal user using sudo you will need to be in the group named sudo. On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Mr G persistence2succ...@gmail.com wrote: No, dpkg -s just simply tells you if it is installed. If it's not then: $ cd directory where firmware-iwlwifi.deb is then: $ sudo dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb or # dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb There should have been one installed by default. If it is installed then you can move onto the next step which would be configuring your network. That works exactly the same as any other desktop. Find the icon and click or right click and pick your network or adjust settings. I can't remember, it's been several years since I used a network manager. Also for future reference, you may want to install the gdebi package or check your menu to see if it is installed. It will do the same thing as dpkg -i except it is a graphical program like you are used to and you will be able to install .deb packages from your file manager by clicking on them like you are used to using. I find such things to just simply get in my way but to each their own. On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.comwrote: On 2013/3/3 6:10 PM, Mr G wrote: You need the firmware-iwlwifi package. # dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi You mean this one: firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all.deb // Debian - WiFi Drivers It's on my list. Do I really install it with this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi or this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all or this: dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all.deb ? Oh, never mind. I'll try all 3. -- B G -- B G
Re: Latest sid upgrade breaks hot-key suspend-to-ram on T410 - SOLVED
Claudius Hubig wrote: Dear Joel, Joel Roth wrote: The latest upgrade has broken hot-key suspend-to-ram (invoked by Fn-F4). I find that s2ram *does* work, as well as hibernate. Cool. Does pm-suspend (a wrapper that does some funky things before calling s2ram) work, too? yes, that works, too. Any idea against which package I should file a bug? At least here (T410s), Fn-F4 generates an ACPI event that is then handled by an appropriate file in /etc/acpi/events, which in turn calls some script to do the actual suspending. If you have a similarly ‘bare’ setup without other daemons (gnome-power-manager etc.), you might want to check there. Otherwise, you can check /var/log/apt/history.log to see which packages were upgraded last or at least give us some more information - Good suggestion! I see my upgrade ended in an error. Correcting a problem package by using 'apt-get -f install packagename' allowed the upgrade to proceed, fixing my issue. Which desktop environment? Are any power managers running? If so, which? I use StumpWM, no power managers (clear execute permissions of cpufreqd) Thanks for your help :-) Best, Claudius -- Please don’t CC me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130303193841.467ce...@ares.home.chubig.net -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130304002807.GA7329@sprite
Re: Auto-emptying of trash.
Thanks, after repopulating .trash with files suitable for deleting, i was able to test it out. And' find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +7' did find one file, which i was then able to delete by running the same command again with '-delete' at the end. I now see in .trash that there are two directories, one dated 8th February, and one dated 16th February which should be eligible for deletion. Except, if you go by its properties date, it was last accessed 3/3/13, which means that its not deletable until the 10th. Is that correct please? On 3 March 2013 23:54, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Sharon Kimble wrote: Thanks for this, and I've tried it out but its still not deleting files, as I output it to a txt.file which still remain empty. Please say more. It works for me. You say it isn't deleting files for you. It is possible the permissions will prevent you from deleting files but in that case there should be errors from the command. Please provide an example. Start with this: find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +7 If that prints files then adding the -delete option will delete them. Honest! :-) You say it isn't deleting files. Pick a file that you think it should delete but isn't deleting. Show the file and the permissions of the directory holding that file. The permissions of the directory is the important detail about creating or deleting files. ls -ld $HOME/.local/share/Trash/files/foo ls -ld $HOME/.local/share/Trash/files I think that there simply are not any files old enough to need to be aged away. I think all of the files are current. Since they are current they do not meet your +7 days of mtime age that you originally requested. A +7 mtime age for trash files seemed reasonable to me. There is a programme, ported from ubuntu, called 'autotrash' in the repos. And although I've set it up as per its man page, but its output remains at zero, and not working. Probably for the same reason. Probably because the files are all current and none of them old enough, past your seven day threshold, to be candidates to be aged away. The 'find' command will be easier to debug. I would use it first to figure things out. Understanding a simple command is much better than not understanding a magical black box. Maybe I'm going about this from the wrong end? You have help here on the mailing list for your problem. If you make good use of it then you can understand and solve your task. There is no need to give up so easily. Stick to it! :-) Bob -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html efever = http://www.efever.blogspot.com/ efever = http://sharon04.livejournal.com/ Debian Wheezy, LXDE 2 LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 Registered Linux user 334501
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
On 2013/3/3 7:22 PM, Mr G wrote: Good. You found the problem. Package `firmware-iwlwifi' is not installed and no info is available. So now you need to get you and firmware-iwlwifi.deb in the same directory. = mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi Package `firmware-iwlwifi' is not installed and no info is available. Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all Package `firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all' is not installed and no info is available. Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ dpkg -s firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb Package `firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb' is not installed and no info is available. Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ = Yes, as you can see from the terminal session above, the CWD is 'mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages'. I guess that's really '/home/mark/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages' but I'm not really sure. -snip- $ sudo dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb as a regular user or: # dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb as root. Again I don't know how you answered the questions when you installed. Aside from my name, password, and time zone, the installer didn't ask any questions (Thank doG!). In my previous encounters with Linux, the installer asked a million questions as though I knew what the stuff was and disk space was incredibly expensive. I just answered 'Yes' to everything, and then I wound up with a non-working system. That's why I wrote I've never successfully installed Linux last week. That brought the wrath of the Linux-stuffedshirtkingdom down on me and I had to run for the hills. As you can see from the terminal session above, I was not alerted to run as root. When I tried 'Aptitude' a hour or so ago, I was alerted to run as root, but this time, no. I'll go back and try running 'dpkg' as root, but you said that 'dpkg' is not an installer, so I'm confused regarding why I'm doing it. I'll be back in a few minutes. Ciao - Mark. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5133f121.2060...@gmail.com
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
On Sun 03 Mar 2013 at 18:07:26 -0300, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Brian wrote: Had the USB hard drive been used instead of the 8-GB USB and *exactly* the same install attempted it too would have failed. The nature or size of the device being installed to is immaterial, as is whether it is a text mode or GUI install. The only thing that matters is that the device has previously had an isohybrid ISO written to it. [...] Write a netinst image to two USB devices. Boot from one device and install to the second one. Try text and GUI modes. It's about an hour's work at most. But will this happen even if one formats the partition holding the iso? What if the installation proccess is done normally, the target device that happens to hold the iso is partitioned and all the partitions are formatted? When grub gets to be installed, in the last installation step, all the information that an iso existed before is gone, or no? When the isohybrid ISO is written to to the drive the information about the iso9660 filesystem is put within the first 65 sectors of the drive. If fdisk is now used to partition the drive the first partition starts at sector 2048. Everything beyond this sector is destroyed but sectors below number 2048 are left intact. The drive is now useless as a device to boot Debian but information about the iso9660 file system is left intact. fdisk leaves space at the beginning of the drive because GRUB requires it to embed part of itself there. But GRUB will not go there because it thinks it is overwriting data on the disk when it detects the iso9660 signature. This is by design. D-I uses partman for partitioning. It too leaves an embedding area which contains the iso9660 data sector. The solution is to remember to do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX count=65 before partitioning. Anyway, it must be said that you did an impressive investigation with very scarce resources to say the least, Brian! Thanks. I cheated though! I had already encountered the bug some time ago and the reported behaviour in this thread is very, very similar to it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130304010743.GW14686@desktop
Re: Auto-emptying of trash.
Sharon Kimble wrote: Thanks, after repopulating .trash with files suitable for deleting, i was able to test it out. And' find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +7' did find one file, which i was then able to delete by running the same command again with '-delete' at the end. Yay! :-) I now see in .trash that there are two directories, one dated 8th February, and one dated 16th February which should be eligible for deletion. The top two directories files, and info will always be created and those will always be new. If those are the two you see then I would simply leave those. It is subdirectories that are more interesting. Except, if you go by its properties date, it was last accessed 3/3/13, which means that its not deletable until the 10th. Is that correct please? You say properties making me think you are using a graphical file manager. That's fine. But often those make things too simple. Usually they hide too much. And they make it impossible to concisely show us what you are seeing. Instead could you show us the output using shell command line tools? Open a terminal window and run the commands. Then cut and paste the output from the commands back for us to see. Using 'ls -l' is good. Or there are other ways such as the find -ls option. Or 'stat'. But 'ls -l' is good. Really when deleting these files the access time is most interesting. But these days many people turn atime off! It isn't available then. If you don't turn it off then atime might be a better choice than mtime. When files are put into the trashcan what timestamps (if any) are updated? I wonder if a file could be put in the trash and immediately be a candidate due to having been old before and not modified when it was put in the trashcan. That might cause the emptytrash script to immediately delete it. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Windows XP option not showing up after fresh install.
First, just curious why are you saying Debian 6 as new? It has been released several years ago. For your question, you may want to drop to root and run grub-update and grub-install /dev/sdX where sdX might be /dev/sda in your case. 祝好， He who is worthy to receive his days and nights is worthy to receive* all else* from you (and me). The Prophet, Gibran Kahlil Gibran On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Michael jm...@jagmail.southalabama.eduwrote: I love the new Debian 6. I installed and during installation it found both the Win XP and the Linux Mint installations. It then asked if I wanted to put GRUB on the MBR or something similar question. I hit YES and installed. After booting, the Mint shows up but not the XP. How do get the XP option do show up upon boot? Michael -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.**debian.orgdebian-user-requ...@lists.debian.orgwith a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/**kh0vnk$l7k$1...@ger.gmane.orghttp://lists.debian.org/kh0vnk$l7k$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
On 2013/3/3 8:16 PM, Mr G wrote: -snip- $ id -snip- $ sudo updatedb -snip- $ mlocate firmware-iwlwfi.deb -snip- $ pwd Look at the terminal session below = mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ su Password: root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi.deb dpkg: error processing firmware-iwlwifi.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory Errors were encountered while processing: firmware-iwlwifi.deb root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb Selecting previously deselected package firmware-iwlwifi. (Reading database ... 68697 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking firmware-iwlwifi (from firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb) ... Setting up firmware-iwlwifi (0.28+squeeze1) ... = I don't think it's necessary for me to 'mlocate' or 'pwd', do you? 'firmware-iwlwifi.deb' is not right. It has to be 'firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb' This is the first real progress I've made since the installation succeeded. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Now, regarding a network manager, the terminal session below is from about 2 hours ago. Can you help with it? = root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg -i wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb Selecting previously deselected package wicd. (Reading database ... 68689 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking wicd (from wicd_1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3_all.deb) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of wicd: wicd depends on wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3); however: Package wicd-daemon is not installed. wicd depends on wicd-gtk (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-curses (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-cli (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) | wicd-client; however: Package wicd-gtk is not installed. Package wicd-curses is not installed. Package wicd-cli is not installed. Package wicd-client is not installed. dpkg: error processing wicd (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: wicd = There are uninstalled dependencies: wicd-daemon (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) wicd-gtk (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) wicd-curses (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) wicd-cli (= 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3) wicd-client When I do a google search for 1.7.0+ds1-5+squeeze3 I find lots of stuff (too much stuff), including Python - gee, I've written Python server code - is that needed for this? Python aside, I don't know what to do next, so I'll wait for a push in a particular direction (and hope that it's not towards a cliff). Ciao - Mark (who's going to go out and catch some food for a little while). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51340388.2080...@gmail.com
Re: Windows XP option not showing up after fresh install.
2013-03-04 03:08, Michael skrev: I installed and during installation it found both the Win XP and the Linux Mint installations. After booting, the Mint shows up but not the XP. How do get the XP option do show up upon boot? As root, run update-grub, then reboot and see if XP is there. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/kh1053$mjb$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Auto-emptying of trash.
I'm using 'Dolphin' from KDE as my file manager, that's the only GUI'ness in usage in this situation! :) The 'emptytrash' script is called at 1300 each day from cron, giving plenty of time to leave stuff in the waste bin for future retrieval. 'atime' is not installed as its not in the wheezy repos, and when i want to install it apt-get comes back at me saying E: Unable to locate package atime You give me the commands and i'll run them. ls-l didn't show up any mention of trash/wastebin! Sharon. On 4 March 2013 01:37, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Sharon Kimble wrote: Thanks, after repopulating .trash with files suitable for deleting, i was able to test it out. And' find $HOME/.local/share/Trash -type f -mtime +7' did find one file, which i was then able to delete by running the same command again with '-delete' at the end. Yay! :-) I now see in .trash that there are two directories, one dated 8th February, and one dated 16th February which should be eligible for deletion. The top two directories files, and info will always be created and those will always be new. If those are the two you see then I would simply leave those. It is subdirectories that are more interesting. Except, if you go by its properties date, it was last accessed 3/3/13, which means that its not deletable until the 10th. Is that correct please? You say properties making me think you are using a graphical file manager. That's fine. But often those make things too simple. Usually they hide too much. And they make it impossible to concisely show us what you are seeing. Instead could you show us the output using shell command line tools? Open a terminal window and run the commands. Then cut and paste the output from the commands back for us to see. Using 'ls -l' is good. Or there are other ways such as the find -ls option. Or 'stat'. But 'ls -l' is good. Really when deleting these files the access time is most interesting. But these days many people turn atime off! It isn't available then. If you don't turn it off then atime might be a better choice than mtime. When files are put into the trashcan what timestamps (if any) are updated? I wonder if a file could be put in the trash and immediately be a candidate due to having been old before and not modified when it was put in the trashcan. That might cause the emptytrash script to immediately delete it. Bob -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html efever = http://www.efever.blogspot.com/ efever = http://sharon04.livejournal.com/ Debian Wheezy, LXDE 2 LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 Registered Linux user 334501
Re: Installation failed - and failed again...
Brian wrote: On Sun 03 Mar 2013 at 18:07:26 -0300, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: Write a netinst image to two USB devices. Boot from one device and install to the second one. Try text and GUI modes. It's about an hour's work at most. But will this happen even if one formats the partition holding the iso? What if the installation proccess is done normally, the target device that happens to hold the iso is partitioned and all the partitions are formatted? When grub gets to be installed, in the last installation step, all the information that an iso existed before is gone, or no? When the isohybrid ISO is written to to the drive the information about the iso9660 filesystem is put within the first 65 sectors of the drive. If fdisk is now used to partition the drive the first partition starts at sector 2048. Everything beyond this sector is destroyed but sectors below number 2048 are left intact. The drive is now useless as a device to boot Debian but information about the iso9660 file system is left intact. Wow, of course. The iso image must be installed in the begining of the disk, which includes the partition table and the mbr, not in the first partition. fdisk leaves space at the beginning of the drive because GRUB requires it to embed part of itself there. But GRUB will not go there because it thinks it is overwriting data on the disk when it detects the iso9660 signature. This is by design. This is clearly a bug, because the disk has a partition table and therefore there is no useful data before the first partition. D-I uses partman for partitioning. It too leaves an embedding area which contains the iso9660 data sector. The solution is to remember to do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX count=65 before partitioning. But this will destroy the partition table, which is not right if you have other operating systems or partitions containing data. Maybe 'grub-install --force device' would suffice? Anyway, it must be said that you did an impressive investigation with very scarce resources to say the least, Brian! Thanks. I cheated though! I had already encountered the bug some time ago and the reported behaviour in this thread is very, very similar to it. Of course you deserve congratulations. You had to guess among the various phony bug reports. It was some kind of psychoanalysis. Your patient still did not achieve catharsis, though. João Luis. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/56471eb84fb7089d3745749b71e15ba5.squir...@nonada.if.usp.br
Re: Package Pre-dependencies
On 03-Mar-13 01:51, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: This seems a fair use case. Note that if the symlink does not exist, a hierarchy of directories is created automatically by dpkg to accommodate the files, and the installation process will not explicitly fail. It doesn't fail - that's correct. However, the base package (which is an installer for closed-source development files) won't put the symlinks in the right place (and *will* fail, since I use the -T option in the script), so it will not function as intended. Therefore, the solution of a package that creates symlinks that serve as filesystem structure for other packages is not very robust, as symlinks are easily removable (by administration errors). Yeah, that's what happens when you try and deal with closed-source header files that use brain-damaged directory structure and try and get them to play nice with standard build tools Thanks for your help. I guess I'll just have to put the requirement for a pre-depends somewhere in the documentation :( It's ugly, but it works. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5134059d.8080...@verizon.net
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver
root@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/S etup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages# dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb Selecting previously deselected package firmware-iwlwifi. (Reading database ... 68697 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking firmware-iwlwifi (from firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb) ... Setting up firmware-iwlwifi (0.28+squeeze1) ... = That means it is installed and this thread is solved. You should now be able to use the network software that can with the install. If you other problems, start a new thread. That way other users with your problem will be able to search the archives. On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Mark Filipak markfilipak.li...@gmail.comwrote: On 2013/3/3 9:21 PM, Mr G wrote: If I didn't think it was necessary I wouldn't have asked you to run the commands. Quite right. My error. For convenience, I've added blank lines between commands and I added one command. = mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ id uid=1000(mark) gid=1000(mark) groups=1000(mark),24(cdrom),** 25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),**44(video),46(plugdev),108(** netdev),115(powerdev),116(**scanner),119(bluetooth) mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ sudo updatedb [sudo] password for mark: mark is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ mlocate firmware-iwlwifi.deb mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ mlocate firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+**squeeze1_all.deb mark@MarkFilipak:/media/usb8/**Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages$ pwd /media/usb8/Setup/Debian 6.0.6 64-bit/Packages = Is this what you expected? Ciao - Mark. -- B G
Re: BSD more secure? was: Re: 10 top myths of debian
Morel Bérenger wrote: Le Sam 2 mars 2013 4:44, Miles Fidelman a écrit : Yaro Kasear wrote: I don't know if Debian's the most SECURE distribution. It doesn't really have a hardened profile or anything like what Gentoo offers. (Gentoo isn't a prime example of a secure Linux system, I more point to the concept of having a hardened base available, whihc Debian doesn't really offer.) Debian's known for being incredibly STABLE and high quality, and embraces FOSS standards pretty well. But unless Debian is bundling an alternate base system built around stuff like Tomoyo, GrSecurity, PaX, or SELinux and starts loading up their packages with hardened patchsets I wouldn't boast about it being a security-focused distro. The backports are an excellent thing. And the Debian security team does an excellent job. Lets just be realistic and a little more honest and say Debian is one of the most secure but I can't call it THE most secure unless the system can go hardened readily. Good point. And when you start talking security to the point of serious testing and configuration control, I believe there are very few distributions that are on the DoD approved product list. On the BSD side, OpenBSD (despite the name), focuses on security, and has a pretty good reputation for being pretty secure. Miles Fidelman I'm a newbie about kernels, but I have read (and maybe misunderstood) which stated the bsd kernel was more secure. So, if you use the kfreebsd kernel on a Debian, is it closer to that hardened security? It is a real question, sorry for the OT, but I am just taking the occasion to learn a bit about differences between those kernels. can't really talk to that, sorry - maybe someone else can -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51342267.8000...@meetinghouse.net
Re: Auto-emptying of trash.
Hello Sharon, bob and everyone! On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 02:29:09 + Sharon Kimble skimbl...@gmail.com wrote: [...] 'atime' is not installed as its not in the wheezy repos, and when i want to install it apt-get comes back at me saying E: Unable to locate package atime That is expected. atime is not a package. atime (UNIX-ish short for access time) is property of files/directories that your filesystem takes care of any time a file is accessed--it updates this field anytime the file is accessed. You can review atime, mtime and ctime (change time) using mentioned `stat` command: me@here:~$ stat myfile.txt File: `myfile.txt' Size: 6 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 4096 regular file Device: 805h/2053d Inode: 285632 Links: 1 Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 1000/ me) Gid: ( 1000/me) Access: 2013-03-04 04:47:02.929754566 +0100 Modify: 2013-03-04 04:46:22.457204523 +0100 Change: 2013-03-04 04:46:22.457204523 +0100 Birth: - me@here:~$ However, there is at least one common exception to this anytime. As you might know, in UNIX, file system tree is very often composed of multiple partitions (e.g. different for /home than for /usr or for /var), often using different settings on how exactly kernel behaves to them. One common option is to tell kernel that for particular filesystem (or partition, if you prefer), you prefer *not* to have this atime update done. (Typically people do that for performance reasons, e.g. on partitions that are designated for files for which this information is not important.) One way of knowing if this option is on (not sure if the most reliable way) is running `mount` command which, if run without arguments, shows where each filesystem is currently mounted to which folder and which options are active. You want to look for noatime option: me@here:~$ mount # shortened for readability [...] /dev/disk/by-uuid/f82f7997-1779-4bff-9f06-912e0019b79b on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered) tmpfs on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=5120k) tmpfs on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=2049720k) /dev/sda9 on /var type ext4 (rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered) /dev/sda5 on /home type ext4 (rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered) /dev/sda7 on /mnt/pub type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,...) [...] me@here:~$ Notice the last two lines. Partition /dev/sda5 is mounted as /home does not have atime turned off (or noatime turned on :)) Partition /dev/sda7, which I use as /mnt/pub *does* have it (for whatever reason I had in mind when setting this up). (For sake of correctness: I was using terms partition and filesystem kind of interchangeably. It is not the same, filesystem is not partition, it's something that lives on the partition.) You give me the commands and i'll run them. I do not recommend running any command without understanding it first! :) `rm -rf` yo mentioned in other post is *particularly* dangerous. One typo and you could irreversibly screw up a LOT in no time! (Remember that there's no such thing as undelete on Linux/UNIX.) ls-l didn't show up any mention of trash/wastebin! (It's typo, right? (I mean, it's `ls -l`).) Without saying at least *where* (in what dir) you ran the command, it is impossible to know whether the output is as expected. If you simply open your terminal, your shell starts in $HOME, and since Trash is not in that folder, `ls -l` will not mention it. Correct. Thanks, aL. -- Alois Mahdal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130304055106.2612d...@hugo.daonet.home
Re: Help please - install the WiFi driver [SOLVED]
Get the WiFi driver. - Go to http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi and look for a link related to your WiFi device. My WiFi device is an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 and the link is labeled 'ipw3945'. Yours will probably be different. - Taking the device-related link takes you to the Debian Wiki page for your desired driver. For the ipw3945 that page is http://wiki.debian.org/ipw3945. On that page is a notice: Non-free firmware is required, which can be provided by the link package. - If you encounter such a notice, take link to get to a search results page (identifiable by the phrase Exact hits) and select yet one more link for the codename of your Debian (in my case, this codename is Squeeze). - The final page contains the download link for the driver. Save the driver to a folder where it will be available while running Debian. In my case, the driver is named firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb. Install the WiFi driver. - In the target Debian system, browse to the folder where you saved the driver. - Open a terminal window and enter this command: su Note: you will be prompted for the root user's password - the installer needs to run with root privilege and this is how to elevate your privilege to root level. - Then enter this command: dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb Note: replace firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb with the actual name of your driver. If the system responds with something like this: Selecting previously deselected package firmware-iwlwifi. (Reading database ... 68697 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking firmware-iwlwifi (from firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb) ... Setting up firmware-iwlwifi (0.28+squeeze1) ... your driver is installed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51342db9.90...@gmail.com
Re: Converting a running system to a VirtualBox VM
On 03/03/2013 06:10 AM, Johan Grönqvist wrote: 2013-03-03 08:56, Marc Shapiro skrev: So, does anyone know of a way to convert my current system to a Virtualbox VM? Or would it be better to just create a new machine and install from scratch? Getting Citrix Receiver running properly always seems to be a hassle, so I thought that converting my current system might be easier. Any suggestions? http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html#idp0176 I _think_ you _might_ want to try booting to a live-cd, and run something like VBoxManage convertfromraw /dev/sda/ vboximage.vdi Then try to boot the vboximage.vdi disk in vbox. When I used it, I did roughly: dd if=/dev/sda of=diskimage.dd VBoxManage convertfromraw diskimage.dd vboximage.vdi I have only tried it once, but it worked much better than I had expected (yes, I was more pessimistic than I should have been). This looks promising. I will give it a try. Since I have already installed Wheezy in a separate partition I should be able to boot to Wheezy and then create the .vdi from the Squeeze partition, instead of using a live CD. Now I just have to get the other two people using this computed to save and close active files so that I CAN reboot. That may take a while, but I will report back when I get a chance to try this. Marc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/513433a8.8090...@gmail.com
Re: RAID1 all bootable
Hi Bob: Thanks so much for this manual. Unfortunately, I have no more the initial situation (one HD replaced) because I was hurried by an editor to provide computational data from my CUDA server. I did not want to run the server before all my data were backed up. Therefore I did a fresh amd64 wheezy install on both disks, the old one and the newly replaced. The installation ended with: grub-install /dev/sda update grub Now the situation is (and the same on the server, which has only much larger HDs, and a different balance for opt for the compiled computational codes, non-deb): francesco@..:~$ df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on rootfs938M 170M 720M 20% / udev 10M 0 10M 0% /dev tmpfs 807M 628K 807M 1% /run /dev/mapper/vg1-root 938M 170M 720M 20% / tmpfs 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock tmpfs 1.6G 148K 1.6G 1% /run/shm /dev/md0 176M 19M 148M 11% /boot /dev/mapper/vg1-home 395G 283G 92G 76% /home /dev/mapper/vg1-opt 9.2G 1.1G 7.7G 13% /opt /dev/mapper/vg1-tmp 2.8G 69M 2.6G 3% /tmp /dev/mapper/vg1-usr28G 3.3G 23G 13% /usr /dev/mapper/vg1-var 9.2G 468M 8.3G 6% /var Nonetheless, I'll try to digest your manual. At this point, could you also describe how to safely proceed, on this situation, to have grub on both disks? It would be useful community wide, to complete the raid1 installation from the Debian installer. (on the above situation I commanded grub-install /dev/sdb, whereby, at next boot, grub was no more found, and the system entered grub rescue, from where I restored the situation of grub on sda only. Thanks and kind regards francesco On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Hi Francesco, As far as I can determine reading this thread you have had a RAID1 with two disks sda and sdb. The disk sda failed. But grub was only installed on the failed sda. The disk sdb contains a mirror of everything but does not boot. Earlier in the thread Lennart gave an excellent suggestion: Lennart Sorensen wrote: You can boot the install disk in rescue mode, select the root partition to chroot into, then run grub-install from there. When grub asks where to install, you should configure it for both sda and sdb. I think 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' is where that is selected. Might need it to use -plow to asks all levels of questions. Not sure. +1 for this suggestion. This is definitely the way to go to fix your problem. Francesco Pietra wrote: In my case, with the sda that contained grub loader replaced by a new disk, the rescue mode (using the same CD installer for amd64 wheezy) did not find any partition. Inverting the SATA cables, same result. No partitions at all? That is scary. And I find it to be hard to believe. No partitions would mean that the data from your disks were zeroed out. Perhaps you were mistaken? Please try it again. In both cases (I mean position of SATA cables) I went to the shell in the installer environment: Don't work from the installer environment. Work from the target environment. That is a critical difference! #fisk /dev/sda (or sdb) fisk? That command does not exist in the installer environment. You must have been elsewhere. device contains neither a valid DOS partition table, nor Sun, etc (expected for a raid) Try 'cat /proc/partitions' for a simple safe read-only start. #dmesg |grep -i sd sda (and sbb): unknown partition table (expected for a raid), however md: raid0 md: raid1 were identified, along with rai4, 5, 6 etc (unfortunately | less does not work to see the whole message). Am I using the Rescue Mode improperly? I was unable to dig into the HD that contains md0 (booth loader, EXT2) and md1 ( LVM partitions home tmp usr opt var swap EXT3) I believe you are using rescue mode improperly. I have written about how to use rescue mode several times recently. Here is one posting: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/01/msg00218.html Here is the official documentation for it: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en But that is fairly terse. Let me say that the rescue mode looks just like the install mode initially. It will ask you keyboard and locale questions and you might wonder if you are rescuing or installing! But it will have Rescue in the upper left corner so that you can tell that you are not in install mode and be assured. Get the tool set up with keyboard, locale, timezone, and similar and eventually it will give you a menu with a list of actions. Here is a quick run-through. Advanced options... Rescue mode keyboard dialog ...starts networking... hostname dialog domainname dialog ...apt update release files... ...loading additional components, Retrieving udebs... ...detecting disks... Then eventually it will get to a menu
