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Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Dans son message du 10/03/13 à 10:47, Maderios a écrit :
 La stable qui stagne pendant 2 ans pose des problèmes.
 Exemples vécus (liste non exhaustive)
 - quand elle ne suit pas l'évolution du matériel
 - quand certains paquets sont complètement dépassés par des versions 
 plus performantes.

A mon avis, c'est, avant tout, un choix entre les versions stable, testing, 
unstable voire experimental pour les plus aventureux (euh très peu pour moi 
:-( ou alors, peut-être un jour, dans le cadre d'un machine virtuelle avec 
VirtualBox).

Comme cela est expliqué dans la FAQ Debian GNU/Linux (voir la page 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.fr.html#s3.1 ), 
concernant les qualités et les défauts de chaque version, on pourrait 
schématiser de la façon suivante (du moins c'est ainsi que je comprends) :

Stable  Testing  Unstable  Experimental
Plus sûre  Moins sûre
Moins déboguée  Plus déboguée
Plus ancienne  Plus récente (a)
Moins compatible  Plus compatible (b)

Et on pourrait énumérer éventuellement d'autres qualités ou défauts. ;-)

(a) Je parle des logiciels que peut proposer une telle version.
(b) Ici, il s'agit des composants internes (processeur, mémoire de masse, carte 
graphique,...) ou des périphériques externes (écran, imprimante, scanner,...) 
pris en charge par une telle version (de façon plus ou moins... optimisée mais 
cela est un autre débat).

A partir de là, chacun fera son choix en fonction de ses besoins et des ses 
souhaits et, surtout, en connaissance de cause.

Pour le reste et pour en revenir au débat initial, je continue à penser tout à 
fait pertinent le choix de Debian qui consiste (en gros) :
- (1) à gérer les 4 (ou même 5 si on ajoute oldstable) versions de manière 
différenciée en fonction de leurs objectifs,
- (2) à décider si un paquet (selon sa propre version) peut entrer dans une 
version (autre que Stable) en fonction de la conformité de ses exigences que 
notre distribution préférée (dont certains jugeront un rien perfectionniste) 
s'est elle-même fixée et
- (3) à juger si Testing (et, avec elle, les milliers de paquets ce qui 
démontre, entre autres, toute la difficulté de la tâche) peut devenir, à un 
moment donné, la nouvelle Stable si elle remplit les critères de qualités qui 
convient à cette version... quitte à attendre plus de 6 mois (ou même plus de 2 
ans ;-) ).

 - quant certains bugs ne sont pas corrigés alors qu'ils le sont dans les 
 dernières versions des logiciels.

Euh, je ne sais pas trop de quels bugs tu veux parler (même si je ne conteste 
pas leur existence vu que j'intègre les mises à jour de sécurité pour ma Stable 
tous les lundis matin quand il y en a) mais, là encore, les bugs contenus dans 
Experimental, Unstable ou Testing (du moins avant sa période de gel et encore 
c'est à vérifier) sont, probablement, plus nombreux et moins anodins que ceux 
de Stable. :-|

 - dimension souvent ignorée: on peut facilement attendre 2 ans quand 
 l'on est âgé de 25 ou 30 ans. A 60 ans, on tique fortement. Et à 80 
 ans, cela n'a certainement plus de sens..

Quel que soit l'âge qu'on a, la patience est une des plus belles vertues, même 
pour les mortels comme nous... :-D

Cordialement et à bientôt,

Stéphane.



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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Dans son message du 10/03/13 à 12:43, Maderios a écrit :
 Patience dans certains contextes, certes Par contre, quand l'on ne 
 croit ni à l'immortalité ni au père noël, les debian stables, avec 
 l'âge, on s'en tape de plus en plus Je dirais même que plus on 
 vieillit, plus on aime jouer avec l'incertitude. Oui, cela paraît 
 contradictoire mais c'est une méthode pour garder la forme. Certains 
 font des sudoku, d'autres bidouillent leur système.

Alors, on pleure sa belle jeunesse perdue ? :-D

Cordialement et à bientôt,

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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

2013-03-10 Thread maderios


On 03/10/2013 05:48 PM, stephane.garg...@laposte.net wrote:

Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Dans son message du 10/03/13 à 10:47, Maderios a écrit :

La stable qui stagne pendant 2 ans pose des problèmes.
Exemples vécus (liste non exhaustive)
- quand elle ne suit pas l'évolution du matériel
- quand certains paquets sont complètement dépassés par des versions
plus performantes.


A mon avis, c'est, avant tout, un choix entre les versions stable, testing, 
unstable voire experimental pour les plus aventureux (euh très peu pour moi :-( ou alors, 
peut-être un jour, dans le cadre d'un machine virtuelle avec VirtualBox).

Comme cela est expliqué dans la FAQ Debian GNU/Linux (voir la page 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.fr.html#s3.1 ), concernant les 
qualités et les défauts de chaque version, on pourrait schématiser de la 
façon suivante (du moins c'est ainsi que je comprends) :

Stable  Testing  Unstable  Experimental
Plus sûre  Moins sûre
Moins déboguée  Plus déboguée
Plus ancienne  Plus récente (a)
Moins compatible  Plus compatible (b)

Et on pourrait énumérer éventuellement d'autres qualités ou défauts. ;-)

(a) Je parle des logiciels que peut proposer une telle version.
(b) Ici, il s'agit des composants internes (processeur, mémoire de masse, carte 
graphique,...) ou des périphériques externes (écran, imprimante, scanner,...) 
pris en charge par une telle version (de façon plus ou moins... optimisée mais 
cela est un autre débat).

A partir de là, chacun fera son choix en fonction de ses besoins et des ses 
souhaits et, surtout, en connaissance de cause.

Salut
Je préfère une debian sectionnée et c'est ce que j'essaie d'appliquer 
depuis longtemps.
- une base fiable au maximum  pour le kernel, le réseau, tout ce qui 
concerne la stabilité  du système lui-même, l'affichage
- des appli plus avancées, si nécessaire venant de sid ou compilées 
depuis les sources, appli ne mettant pas en cause la sécurité ou la 
stabilité
- ma politique: pas de centralisation ni de tout en un,  donc exit les 
bureaux gnome, kde, xfce et tous les trucs qui prétendent simplifier la 
vie. Je préfère utiliser des éléments indépendants, paramétrables 
individuellement, c'est plus sûr.
Avantage de la biodiversité : quand un maillon grippe, il est 
remplaçable facilement et seul un maillon est concerné.
- démarche rencontrant évidemment des limites mais applicable sans 
ennuis majeurs.




Pour le reste et pour en revenir au débat initial, je continue à penser tout à 
fait pertinent le choix de Debian qui consiste (en gros) :
- (1) à gérer les 4 (ou même 5 si on ajoute oldstable) versions de manière 
différenciée en fonction de leurs objectifs,
- (2) à décider si un paquet (selon sa propre version) peut entrer dans une 
version (autre que Stable) en fonction de la conformité de ses exigences que 
notre distribution préférée (dont certains jugeront un rien perfectionniste) 
s'est elle-même fixée et
- (3) à juger si Testing (et, avec elle, les milliers de paquets ce qui 
démontre, entre autres, toute la difficulté de la tâche) peut devenir, à un 
moment donné, la nouvelle Stable si elle remplit les critères de qualités qui 
convient à cette version... quitte à attendre plus de 6 mois (ou même plus de 2 
ans ;-) ).


- quant certains bugs ne sont pas corrigés alors qu'ils le sont dans les
dernières versions des logiciels.


Euh, je ne sais pas trop de quels bugs tu veux parler (même si je ne conteste 
pas leur existence vu que j'intègre les mises à jour de sécurité pour ma Stable 
tous les lundis matin quand il y en a) mais, là encore, les bugs contenus dans 
Experimental, Unstable ou Testing (du moins avant sa période de gel et encore 
c'est à vérifier) sont, probablement, plus nombreux et moins anodins que ceux 
de Stable. :-|

Un exemple : Digikam-2.6 est affecté d'un bug concernant les 
métadonnées, bug corrigé dans les versions suivantes, dont la dernière, 
la 3.

Vivement la fin du freeze
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L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure (Georges Braque)

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Re:Unidentified subject!

Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Dans son message du 10/03/13 à 14:58, Francesco a écrit :
 Oui, mais justement : quelqu'un à la recherche d'une distribution bien
 sécurisée pourrait naïvement (mais logiquement, après avoir lu la
 documentation) installer Squeeze aujourd'hui et naviguer donc avec
 chromium-browser 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6 (dernière modification,
 9 septembre 2011). 
 
 Alors, si « Stable » est moins sécurisée que « Testing » (pour une
 utilisation desktop, par exemple), Mourad a bien raison de se poser le
 problème, non ?

Certes, même Stable peut contenir quelques ratés et on peut citer d'autres 
exemples que chromium-browser. Nul n'est parfait et, sans doute, il n'existe 
pas de distribution parfaite (c'est-à-dire exempte de tout bug) même chez 
Debian comme on le reconnait implicitement par ailleurs (voir 
http://www.debian.org/security/ ou encore http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ ).

Mais, de façon plus globale et sur une plus longue période, je ne pense pas que 
Unstable et même Testing peuvent rivaliser Stable au niveau de la stabilité ou 
de la sécurité.

Et je ne pense pas que, pour leur crédibilité, les Développeurs (et autres 
Responsables) Debian aient la naïveté (et encore moins l'inconscience) de 
recommander Stable à tous ceux (administrateurs de serveur ou propriétaire d'un 
ordinateur personnel) qui privilègient les critères (que je viens de citer dans 
le paragraphe précédent) pour choisir une distribution basée sur GNU/Linux s'il 
y a un quelconque doute concernant les qualités normalement attribués à Stable 
(du moins par rapport à Unstable et à Testing). :-|

Cordialement et à bientôt,

Stéphane.



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Re: Unidentified subject!

2013-03-10 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER

Mouais mais ça pose quand même pas mal de problèmes. Par exemple si
on prend iceweasel qui lors du début du freeze était en version 10 ESR. Vous
me direz c'est une version ESR donc support à long terme. Oui sauf que le
support des ESR est de 1 an et qu'il s'est terminé en février je crois. L'ESR
actuelle est la 17. Debian stable va donc sortir avec une version d'iceweasel
dépassée et non supportée par les dév mozilla. Vu les problèmes réguliers de
sécurité qu'il y a avec les navigateurs je me pose des questions sur la
pertinence du modèle Debian. Il est pertinent quand le freeze ne dure pas trop
longtemps mais quand il dure plus d'un an ...

Gaëtan

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Re: Wheezy grrrrrrrrrrr

2013-03-10 Thread Yannick VOYEAUD

Bonsoir,

Le 27/02/2013 18:38, Yannick VOYEAUD a écrit :
 Je viens de passer mon poste principal sous Wheezy (abandon d'Ubuntu
 10.10). Mis à part les galères pour avoir l'iso on peut dire que cela
 c'est plutôt bien fait. SAUF que
 1) j'ai perdu mon double écran (Un logiciel sur chaque écran)
 carte graphique NVIDIA ? Me dire comment vérifier ce point
 Ce point est *très* urgent car c'est, entre guillemets, mon outil de
 travail.

Problème enfin résolu bizarrement ce soir! Je suis totalement incapable
de vous dire ce qui s'est passé.
Est-ce la MAJ d'un paquet ATI qui a solutionné l'incident où autre chose?

 
 2) les barres du haut et du bas sont noires (impossible d'accéder à leur
 paramétrage)
 Je les voudraient transparentes et en modifier l'ordonnancement

Ce n'est toujours pas cela et c'est limite crado

 
 3) iceowl est en anglais (jours et dialogues) Dans Ubuntu c'est en
 français donc ...

Résolu très rapidement grâce à vous.

 
 4) quoi prendre pour remplacer Gwibber que je n'arrive pas à installer?

Gwibber n'est toujours pas installé convenablement et les autres
solutions trouvées sont, amha, peu confortables.

 
 5) comment changer la couleur des fenêtres?

Trouvé une solution mais bon ce n'est pas l'idéal.

 
 6) la touche 'Supp' ne semble pas fonctionner pour supprimer un fichier.

La solution Alt+clic droit fonctionne mais franchement c'est lourd.

Amitiés

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Re: Unidentified subject!

2013-03-10 Thread Sébastien NOBILI

Bonsoir,

Le dimanche 10 mars 2013 à 18:57, stephane.garg...@laposte.net a écrit :
 Et je ne pense pas que, pour leur crédibilité, les Développeurs (et autres 
 Responsables) Debian aient la naïveté (et encore moins l'inconscience) de 
 recommander Stable à tous ceux (administrateurs de serveur ou propriétaire 
 d'un ordinateur personnel) qui privilègient les critères (que je viens de 
 citer dans le paragraphe précédent) pour choisir une distribution basée sur 
 GNU/Linux s'il y a un quelconque doute concernant les qualités normalement 
 attribués à Stable (du moins par rapport à Unstable et à Testing). :-|

Ce n'est malheureusement pas le cas, étant données :
- la rapidité d'évolution de certains projets amont (les navigateurs sont un
  bon exemple),
- la complexité des interdépendances.

Les développeurs font au mieux, ce qui ne retire rien à leur crédibilité :
http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security

Seb

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Re: Méthode de stabilisation des release Debian en question...

Bonjour à tous les utilisateurs et développeurs de Debian :

Dans son message du 10/03/13 à 18:56, Maderios a écrit :
 Je préfère une debian sectionnée et c'est ce que j'essaie d'appliquer 
 depuis longtemps.
 - une base fiable au maximum pour le kernel, le réseau, tout ce qui 
 concerne la stabilité du système lui-même, l'affichage
 - des appli plus avancées, si nécessaire venant de sid ou compilées 
 depuis les sources, appli ne mettant pas en cause la sécurité ou la 
 stabilité

Autrement dit du apt-pinning ! Après tout pourquoi pas ? :-)

Mais alors attention aux risques et/ou complications surtout au niveau des 
dépendances entre les paquets (qu'on aurait sélectionné) et en cas de mise à 
jour éventuel de des paquets (surtout venant de Sid)...

De plus, il va falloir jouer finement avec les fichiers de configuration 
sources.list et preferences (dans /etc/apt/) si on ne veut pas se retrouver, en 
totalité ou presque, en Unstable en fin de compte.

Quand à la compilation des sources, il est toujours possible de le faire 
(d'ailleurs la FAQ Debian GNU/Linux l'explique les modalités dans 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.fr.html#s-sourcebuild
 ) mais ce ne sera pas forcément plus trivial et moins chronophage...

Dans le 1er cas comme dans l'autre, si on a quelques dizaines de paquets, c'est 
plutôt jouable. Mais si on a plus de 1300 paquets (pour environ 2,7 Go 
concernant mon système GNU/Linux que je considère comme minimaliste même avec 
KDE et OpenOffice), et bien bon courage...

Cordialement et à bientôt,

Stéphane.



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État de sécurité des navigateurs web

2013-03-10 Thread David Prévot

Salut,

Le 10/03/2013 15:37, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit :

 Les développeurs font au mieux, ce qui ne retire rien à leur crédibilité :
 http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#browser-security

Sans « .en.html » pour accéder à la traduction :

http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/release-notes/ch-information#browser-security

Amicalement

David




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Re: Wheezy grrrrrrrrrrr

2013-03-10 Thread Jack.R

On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 20:26:26 +0100
Yannick VOYEAUD yann...@voyeaud.org wrote:

 Bonsoir,
 
 Le 27/02/2013 18:38, Yannick VOYEAUD a écrit :
  6) la touche 'Supp' ne semble pas fonctionner pour supprimer un
  fichier.
 
 La solution Alt+clic droit fonctionne mais franchement c'est lourd.
 
Je ne suis pas utilisateur de gnome, mais cela ne ferait-il pas
l'affaire:

http://libre-ouvert.toile-libre.org/index.php?article65/mes-parents-sous-debian-7-0-wheezy-regler-le-bogue-de-l-ajout-d-imprimante

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNOME, paragraphe Nautilus 3.4 and
older 

Les bons mots clé semble être gsettings et can-change-accels

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Re: Instalar driver para Atheros AR8162 (Era: debían inspiron 5420)

El Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:05:28 -0500, Pablo Magé escribió:

 Solucionado:

Nah, has ido por el camino fácil... no tenías que haber eliminado 
Squeeze ;-P

 Comparto los pasos que seguí para poder instalar el controlador para una
 Atheros AR8162

(...)

 4. Durante la instalación de Debian se indica que el firmware
 iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode o iwlwifi-2030-5.ucode se requiere para instalar la
 red inalámbrica. Dado que no se tenia dicho firmware en el momento se
 instaló Debian sin red.

Pero ese driver es para una tarjeta Intel inalámbrica, no para una 
Atheros cableada.
 
 6. Mediante una memoria USB, copie el contenido del archivo tgz a
 /lib/firmware, se reinicia y listo trabajó mi conexión inalámbrica.
 
 Gracias  por los aportes recibidos para lograr la solución de este
 problema.

¿Y qué hacemos con la Atheros? Cuando la pongas en marcha nos avisas ;-)

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(Solucionado → paquete eliminado) Re: Configurar Squeeze (el programa archivador)

El Sat, 02 Mar 2013 15:42:30 +, Camaleón escribió:

(...)

 En fin, he escrito a la lista de desarrolladores a ver si me pueden
 informar sobre esto:
 
 http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2013-March/030183.html

Que la aplicación lleva un año sin actividad... puf. Pues nada, al final 
he eliminado squeeze (y el metapaquete xfce4-goodies) y he instalado 
Xarchiver. Este sí permite la opción que buscaba.

Creo que deberían reemplazar Squeeze por Xarchiver, voy a abrir un 
informe en el BTS de Debian... oops, ya hay uno abriertto:

xfce4-goodies - remove squeeze from dependencies
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=660453

Pues nada, habrá que apoyar la moción :-)

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Re: (Solucionado → paquete eliminado) Re: Configurar Squeeze (el programa archivador)

El Sun, 10 Mar 2013 14:23:17 +, Camaleón escribió:

(...)

 Creo que deberían reemplazar Squeeze por Xarchiver, voy a abrir un
 informe en el BTS de Debian... oops, ya hay uno abriertto:
 
 xfce4-goodies - remove squeeze from dependencies
 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=660453
 
 Pues nada, habrá que apoyar la moción :-)

Y tras 5 minutos acabo de eliminar Xarchiver porque no admite archivos 
.jar. Madre mía... cómo estamos, no me extraña que la gente se queje de 
que Linux es para freakies, no es para menos :-/

Pues nada, frikaza que es una, a instalar PeaZip... rediez, el 
instalador falla ¡grrr! A informar... ah, ya hay un bug abierto pero sin 
resolver, pues nada, nada... venga, a añadir más datos:

[Debian Wheezy] libgmp3c2 dependency
http://code.google.com/p/peazip/issues/detail?id=170

Bueno, al menos la versión portátil de PeaZip funciona bien, pero qué mal 
sabor de boca dejan estas cosas: tres aplicaciones que NO funcionan ;-(

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Re: 2 isp [ot]

2013-03-10 Thread Roberto Quiñones


El 07/03/2013 14:28, Felix Perez escribió:

El día 6 de marzo de 2013 11:31, Francisco Eduardo Ascencio Dominguez
ly...@live.com escribió:

bueno esto seria un servidor. no hay una manera. de hacerlo por hardware ?



NO hagas top posting por favor.

Existen equipos como el linksys RV082 (habrá otros más modernos) que
permite conectar dos enlaces adsl y trabajar con ambos, no se si sumar
el ancho de banda me imagino que no, pero si el balanceo de carga.

Suerte.


El 05/03/2013, a las 23:46, oseargent...@gmail.com oseargent...@gmail.com 
escribió:


El 06/03/13 01:42, Francisco Eduardo Ascencio Dominguez escribió:


Hola lista. bueno solo es una duda por si algun dia necesito hacerlo.

eh estado por ahu y me ah surgido una locura. aver. supongamos que tengo 2 isp 
y laa quiero conectar a la misma red. por ejemplo los isp cada una tiene 2 mb 
de descarga y al juntar los dos tendria 4 mb peri como lo hago ? es posible 
esto ? o solo es una idea absurda que se me ah ocurrido ? XD


hola francisco, si es posible hacerlo, podes hacer balanceo de carga y/o
tolerancia a fallos, una forma es a través de bounding [0] otra es con
iproute2 [1]

saludos

[0]
http://phenobarbital.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/linux-guia-rapida-de-network-bonding-en-debian/
[1]
http://www.k-nabora.com/index.php/blog/Balanceo-de-Carga-con-dos-ADSL-y-Debian-Lenny-.html

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El ancho de banda no se puede sumar al de otro proveedor, tampoco si 
fuese el mismo proveedor pero con distintos enlaces (fibras), pero si es 
fiable lo que comentas de trabajar en un mismo dispositivo con los 2 
enlace para una alta disponibilidad de enlaces en caso de caida de una, 
se sigue usando la otra y si se configura correctamente, el corte no se 
sentiria en lo absoluto a nivel de usuarios al navegar.


Saludos


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Re: 2 isp [ot]

El Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:21:11 -0300, Roberto Quiñones escribió:

 El ancho de banda no se puede sumar al de otro proveedor, tampoco si
 fuese el mismo proveedor pero con distintos enlaces (fibras), 

(...)

Se llama link aggregation (o broadband bonding) y sí es posible. No 
todos los dispositivos lo admiten pero existen soluciones profesionales 
en el mercado que ya lo implementan.

Saludos,

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Bajar volumen hasta cierto nivel SOX, FADE IN, FADE OUT

2013-03-10 Thread Rantis Cares

Lista:

He leido varios documentos de SOX en internet (Ya googlee, para que no
digan después que no lo hago).

He comenzado a usar este maravilloso sof... ya encontre mucha
documentacion sobre hacer los FADE IN, FADE OUT y tambien como
modificar la ganancia de un audio. Pero en ninguno he encontrado como
hacer para que haga un FADE OUT hasta cierta cantidad.

Es decir el FADE OUT, realiza una rampa de volumen del 100% hasta
llegar al 0% y yo quiero que al hacer ese mismo efecto realice la
rampa de 100% hasta el 20%.

¿Alguno tiene alguna idea o mas experiencia que yo?.

Saludos

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Re: 2 isp [ot]

2013-03-10 Thread Roberto Quiñones


El 10/03/2013 12:47, Camaleón escribió:

El Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:21:11 -0300, Roberto Quiñones escribió:


El ancho de banda no se puede sumar al de otro proveedor, tampoco si
fuese el mismo proveedor pero con distintos enlaces (fibras),


(...)

Se llama link aggregation (o broadband bonding) y sí es posible. No
todos los dispositivos lo admiten pero existen soluciones profesionales
en el mercado que ya lo implementan.

Saludos,



cuando hablo de sumar me reifiero a que no es posible tener un enlace de 
100 mb de proveedor A y un segundo enlace de 100 mb de proveedor B y 
hacer un unico enlace por el que sale la red hacia internet, dejando un 
enlace de 200 mbps, pero si es posible hacer una alta disponibilidad con 
los dispositivos que hay en el mercado y que te permite tener 2 enlaces 
de un mismo proveedor o de otro, en un mismo dispositivo y que 
practicamente como tu dices que es, configurar por un unico canal sale, 
sale todo por ahi, pero es simplemente una alta disponibilidad, el 
dispositivo sabe por donde enviar mejor el paquete de una comunicacion 
entre maquinas entre los enlaces que tienes unidos.


Saludos


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Re: 2 isp [ot]

2013-03-10 Thread Ricardo


El 10/03/2013 18:15, Roberto Quiñones escribió:

El 10/03/2013 12:47, Camaleón escribió:

El Sun, 10 Mar 2013 12:21:11 -0300, Roberto Quiñones escribió:


El ancho de banda no se puede sumar al de otro proveedor, tampoco si
fuese el mismo proveedor pero con distintos enlaces (fibras),


(...)

Se llama link aggregation (o broadband bonding) y sí es posible. No
todos los dispositivos lo admiten pero existen soluciones profesionales
en el mercado que ya lo implementan.

Saludos,



cuando hablo de sumar me reifiero a que no es posible tener un enlace 
de 100 mb de proveedor A y un segundo enlace de 100 mb de proveedor B 
y hacer un unico enlace por el que sale la red hacia internet, dejando 
un enlace de 200 mbps, pero si es posible hacer una alta 
disponibilidad con los dispositivos que hay en el mercado y que te 
permite tener 2 enlaces de un mismo proveedor o de otro, en un mismo 
dispositivo y que practicamente como tu dices que es, configurar por 
un unico canal sale, sale todo por ahi, pero es simplemente una alta 
disponibilidad, el dispositivo sabe por donde enviar mejor el paquete 
de una comunicacion entre maquinas entre los enlaces que tienes unidos.


Tal como ya te respondieron no puedes sumar ancho de banda, pero creo 
que este articulo, explica perfectamente lo que deseas hacer: 
http://phenobarbital.wordpress.com/2011/06/22/linux-guia-rapida-de-network-bonding-en-debian/

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Re: Bajar volumen hasta cierto nivel SOX, FADE IN, FADE OUT

2013-03-10 Thread Felix Perez

El día 10 de marzo de 2013 18:11, Rantis Cares rantisca...@gmail.com escribió:
 Lista:

 He leido varios documentos de SOX en internet (Ya googlee, para que no
 digan después que no lo hago).

 He comenzado a usar este maravilloso sof... ya encontre mucha
 documentacion sobre hacer los FADE IN, FADE OUT y tambien como
 modificar la ganancia de un audio. Pero en ninguno he encontrado como
 hacer para que haga un FADE OUT hasta cierta cantidad.

 Es decir el FADE OUT, realiza una rampa de volumen del 100% hasta
 llegar al 0% y yo quiero que al hacer ese mismo efecto realice la
 rampa de 100% hasta el 20%.

 ¿Alguno tiene alguna idea o mas experiencia que yo?.


¿Qué te respondieron en la lista de SOX?




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Re: Problemas com driver de video no Wheezy

2013-03-10 Thread Deckardbot

Olá Rodolfo,

Então infelizmente esse suporte piorou (no meu caso) no Wheezy.
No Squeeze o driver non-free pelo menos quebrava o galho.

Abs

Em 9 de março de 2013 00:40, Rodolfo rof20...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Tenho um notebook com driver de video radeon 4250, pior que o sei '-'.

 Em todas as minhas tentativas de melhorar a placa gráfica no linux foram
 mal sucedidas.

 Consegui jogar World Of Warcraft, porem com FPS bem baixo.

 Nos meus testes, feitos com o driver normal que vem com o xorg e com o
 fglrx percebi uma coisa.

 O resultado do glxgears do driver do xorg apresenta resultados em FPS
 superiores ao driver da própria fabricante, porém descobri algo
 interessante: O Driver da fabricante, apesar de perder em performance, é a
 mais certa para renderizar video, pois ela consegue renderizar os pixel
 shaders 2.0, etc etc etc.e o driver da radeon que vem com o xorg nao.


 Concluido, é isso mesmo o resultado mano, FPS baixo mais com boa
 reproducao dos Efeitos suportados pela placa, com o driver do xorg FPS
 elevado mas pessima reproducao dos Efeitos.

 o Suporte ao Linux ainda está longe de ser uma realidade na Radeon, ao
 contrário da NVidia, que tem suporte muito melhor, inclusive meu proximo
 notebook vo comprar com NVidia.


 Abraços.


 Em 8 de março de 2013 22:25, Deckardbot deckard...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Olá pessoal,

 Estou migrando para o Wheezy apenas com o X server + Fluxbox, mas estou
 tendo
 problemas com o video, que está muito lento. Alguem pode me ajudar?

 Minha placa é uma ATI Radeon HD 4650M:

 $ lspci | grep VGA
 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI
 M96 [Mobility Radeon HD 4650]

 A primeira coisa que fiz foi instalar o pacote 'mesa-utils' e fazer um
 teste
 de desempenho:

 $ glxinfo | grep render
 direct rendering: Yes
 OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 0x209)
 GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_AMD_draw_buffers_blend,

 $ glxgears
 4695 frames in 5.0 seconds = 938.896 FPS
 4970 frames in 5.0 seconds = 993.923 FPS
 4921 frames in 5.0 seconds = 984.096 FPS
 5009 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1001.777 FP

 Pesquisando na Debian Wiki[1] entendi que o driver pro Wheezy está
 instável.
 Sendo assim instalei o pacote 'firmware-linux-nonfree', e até teve uma
 pequena
 melhora, porem achei muito esquisito o resultado do teste:

 $ glxinfo | grep render
 direct rendering: Yes
 OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD RV730
 GL_EXT_vertex_array_bgra, GL_NV_conditional_render,

 $ glxgears
 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.998 FPS
 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.808 FPS
 301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.008 FPS
 301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.007 FPS

 Ou seja, os FPS's cairam ao inves de aumentarem!
 No Squeeze, eu instalei o driver non-free 'fglrx-driver' conforme a
 wiki[2] e
 o desempenho está muito bom perto do Wheezy:

 $ glxinfo | grep render
 direct rendering: Yes
 OpenGL renderer string: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650
 GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color,

 $ glxgears
 35898 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7179.479 FPS
 36590 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7317.944 FPS
 36549 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7309.708 FPS

 Espero que essas informações sejam uteis para resolver o caso.
 Qualquer coisa é só solicitar que eu posto na próxima mensagem.

 Att.

 [1] http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Wheezy
 [2] http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze

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Re: Servidor (ERRRR) Java

2013-03-10 Thread Kleber Leal

A única dependência é o java (JDK).

 
Kléber Leal


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Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 6 de Março de 2013 12:02
Assunto: Re: Servidor (E) Java
 
Em 06/03/13, Fagner Patriciofagner.patri...@gmail.com escreveu:
 Olá Pessoal!

 Me pediram para pesquisar um servidor Java que possa substituir o Tomcat
 aqui na empresa, de ante mão já me falaram que acharam o JBoss muito
 complicado para instalar e mantes :/

 Então como eu não conheço muita coisa gostaria de sugestões, tem esse aqui:


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Re: choosing a web browser

2013-03-10 Thread steef


Zenaan Harkness schreef:

I need a sane webbrowser.

Firstly, I'm not interested in rolling releases. In my experience,
Firefox 3.6 was the pinnacle in browsers, in the days when Epiphany
was also a fine option. Things appear to have gone downhill bigtime
since then, as far as I can tell.

Seeking something that is 100% libre, and supported in Debian Wheezy,
to install and admin/maintain for Debian deployments which I do
occasionally for friends and for a human rights association that I
volunteer at (upmart.org). I have been unable to deploy anything for
six months (besides time constraints, I am struggling with finding a
modern desktop, voip client etc - but I don't want to hijack my own
thread here...)


What I've tried:
* Iceweasel 10 LTS
used for 6 months - I have been running wheezy/testing for 6 months,
and about two weeks ago switched to sid/unstable - I can put up with
various problems for an extended period of time, but I wish to reach
deployability for others not technically versed as I am.
Problems: every now and then, firefox causes a core or two to hit 100%
for a couple seconds, causing the fan to spin up (and this, with no
pages loading, animations stopped, no java, no javascript etc, only
scrolling up and down a single tab/page - eg gmail static (my rural
link too slow for javascript)) - this looks like a GC (garbage
collection) type artifact, and is so obtrusive that I've decided it's
a deal breaker.


The following browsers I've been trying over the last day:

* Midori (using now)
Not showing the tabs
Private browsing option doesn't remember settings (at least, I've
tested proxy setting); tabs do not show at all - I've tried each
binary Preferences setting for always display tabs, then restarting
midori, but no joy.
btw, midori -p does show it's tabs.
Thankfully, CTRL-PgUp/PgDown does cycle amongst tabs, but not seeing
them is a deal breaker.


* Netsurf
Has wacko keybindings: CTRL-PgUp/Down does not change tabs;
CTRL-RightArrow/LeftArrow does change tabs (so when editing in a field
eg writing an email, I cannot jump a word at a time, nor select a word
at a time!); tab key does not include going from address bar to search
bar/field; keyboard scrolling of page does not work well/ sometimes I
can't seem to keyboard scroll at all; I had difficulty copying an
email address off a page (no right click menu option for this).
This keyboard firetruckery is a deal breaker.


* Epiphany
Epiphany. How I loved epiphany back in the days of Gnome 2 and Firefox
3.5, when I took a walk on the wild side of Ubuntu, and settled in on
Ubuntu 8.04.
Firefox 3.6 managed to provide enough reasons use it predominantly.
Back to the present: Epiphany is not showing its toolbar icons; it has
a whole menu bar with a single Web menu. There's a different menu
behind one of the faceless icons on the icon bar.


* Luakit
I installed this, started it up twice, and would love to learn it (I
use vim for most of my editing).
Unfortunately, this browser demands learning its ways, so it is not
suitable for general deployment. As technically gluttonous as I'd like
to be in satisfying my own power-user needs, there are other higher
priorities in my life - facilitating community actions and community
helpers/ volunteers, to do their good work in a relatively secure
environment. This means I must be eating the dog food I deploy.

For me to get to deployment, in this so modern era of amazing omg
integrated unified cross-device ponies and So, are you ready for
BYOD? desktops ... well, it hasn't been possible for me in the last
year. This is incredibly frustrating; battling default samba
configurations is one thing, but I can't even find a deployable
browser, consistent XP-style UI experience etc.

Sorry, sorry, I'm ranting again! I promise I'll keep it to browsers.
There are plenty of other threads we _could_ create.

TIA,
Zenaan

PS: For those who, like me, didn't know what BYOD meant before
yesterday: Bring Your Own Device.





try seamonkey (mozilla-branch) i use it to my needs (browsing and mailing) for 
years without any trouble.


reg.,

steef



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Debian-goodies package error (was: RE: How often to reboot a production Web server?)

2013-03-10 Thread Bonno Bloksma

Hi,

 Today I've run `apt-get update` and `apt-get upgrade` to get security fixes.
 
 It updated libc6 and some other essential packages.
 
 Should I reboot my production Web server? If yes, how often?
 

 If you install the debian-goodies package, you can run checkrestart to see
 what programs are still holding open old libraries - though there are some 
 false positives.
 
 You can then decide whether you just need to restart a particular service
 (checkrestart will tell you what, in most cases), or whether you need to 
 reboot.

Ok, so I decided to install the Debian-goodies on my machine to test that 
checkrestart command but it broke, so according to the Debian policy I get 
to keep both pieces. ;-)
Any way to fix the pieces?

-quote---
Get:1 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main libssh2-1 i386 1.2.6-1 
[77.2 kB]
Get:2 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main libcurl3 i386 
7.21.0-2.1+squeeze2 [281 kB]
Get:3 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main curl i386 
7.21.0-2.1+squeeze2 [227 kB]
Get:4 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main dctrl-tools i386 2.14.5 
[110 kB]
Get:5 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main debian-goodies all 0.53 
[49.3 kB]
Fetched 746 kB in 1s (571 kB/s)
Selecting previously deselected package libssh2-1.
(Reading database ... 34588 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking libssh2-1 (from .../libssh2-1_1.2.6-1_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package libcurl3.
Unpacking libcurl3 (from .../libcurl3_7.21.0-2.1+squeeze2_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package curl.
Unpacking curl (from .../curl_7.21.0-2.1+squeeze2_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package dctrl-tools.
Unpacking dctrl-tools (from .../dctrl-tools_2.14.5_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dctrl-tools_2.14.5_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 failed in write on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during 
`./etc/grep-dctrl.rc': No space left on device
configured to not write apport reports
  dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by 
signal (Broken pipe)
Selecting previously deselected package debian-goodies.
Unpacking debian-goodies (from .../debian-goodies_0.53_all.deb) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/dctrl-tools_2.14.5_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of debian-goodies:
 debian-goodies depends on dctrl-tools | grep-dctrl; however:
  Package dctrl-tools is not installed.
  Package grep-dctrl is not installed.
dpkg: error processing debian-goodies (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Setting up libssh2-1 (1.2.6-1) ...
ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No space left on device
dpkg: error processing libssh2-1 (--configure):
 subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libcurl3:
 libcurl3 depends on libssh2-1 (= 1.2); however:
  Package libssh2-1 is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing libcurl3 (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of curl:
 curl depends on libcurl3 (= 7.16.2-1); however:
  Package libcurl3 is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing curl (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 debian-goodies
 libssh2-1
 libcurl3
 curl

Current status: 1 broken [+1].
-quote---

The No space left on drive is the wrong symptom, there is plenty of space on 
all partitions.

# df
Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/linbobo-root
   2064208   2064208 0 100% /
tmpfs   511180 0511180   0% /lib/init/rw
udev506252   164506088   1% /dev
tmpfs   511180 0511180   0% /dev/shm
/dev/sda1   241116 65012163656  29% /boot
/dev/mapper/linbobo-home
 467457616202900 443509180   1% /home
/dev/mapper/linbobo-tmp
388741 10292358379   3% /tmp
/dev/mapper/linbobo-usr
   4922684661488   4011136  15% /usr
/dev/mapper/linbobo-var
   2955216   1666036   1139064  60% /var
#

So now what?

Bonno Bloksma


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Re: Debian-goodies package error

2013-03-10 Thread Dom


On 10/03/13 08:47, Bonno Bloksma wrote:

Hi,


Today I've run `apt-get update` and `apt-get upgrade` to get security fixes.

It updated libc6 and some other essential packages.

Should I reboot my production Web server? If yes, how often?



If you install the debian-goodies package, you can run checkrestart to see
what programs are still holding open old libraries - though there are some 
false positives.

You can then decide whether you just need to restart a particular service
(checkrestart will tell you what, in most cases), or whether you need to reboot.


Ok, so I decided to install the Debian-goodies on my machine to test that 
checkrestart command but it broke, so according to the Debian policy I get 
to keep both pieces. ;-)
Any way to fix the pieces?

-quote---
Get:1 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main libssh2-1 i386 1.2.6-1 
[77.2 kB]
Get:2 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main libcurl3 i386 
7.21.0-2.1+squeeze2 [281 kB]
Get:3 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main curl i386 
7.21.0-2.1+squeeze2 [227 kB]
Get:4 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main dctrl-tools i386 2.14.5 
[110 kB]
Get:5 http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main debian-goodies all 0.53 
[49.3 kB]
Fetched 746 kB in 1s (571 kB/s)
Selecting previously deselected package libssh2-1.
(Reading database ... 34588 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking libssh2-1 (from .../libssh2-1_1.2.6-1_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package libcurl3.
Unpacking libcurl3 (from .../libcurl3_7.21.0-2.1+squeeze2_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package curl.
Unpacking curl (from .../curl_7.21.0-2.1+squeeze2_i386.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package dctrl-tools.
Unpacking dctrl-tools (from .../dctrl-tools_2.14.5_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dctrl-tools_2.14.5_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
  failed in write on buffer copy for backend dpkg-deb during 
`./etc/grep-dctrl.rc': No space left on device
configured to not write apport reports
   dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by 
signal (Broken pipe)
Selecting previously deselected package debian-goodies.
Unpacking debian-goodies (from .../debian-goodies_0.53_all.deb) ...
Processing triggers for man-db ...
Errors were encountered while processing:
  /var/cache/apt/archives/dctrl-tools_2.14.5_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of debian-goodies:
  debian-goodies depends on dctrl-tools | grep-dctrl; however:
   Package dctrl-tools is not installed.
   Package grep-dctrl is not installed.
dpkg: error processing debian-goodies (--configure):
  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Setting up libssh2-1 (1.2.6-1) ...
ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No space left on device
dpkg: error processing libssh2-1 (--configure):
  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libcurl3:
  libcurl3 depends on libssh2-1 (= 1.2); however:
   Package libssh2-1 is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing libcurl3 (--configure):
  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of curl:
  curl depends on libcurl3 (= 7.16.2-1); however:
   Package libcurl3 is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing curl (--configure):
  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
  debian-goodies
  libssh2-1
  libcurl3
  curl

Current status: 1 broken [+1].
-quote---

The No space left on drive is the wrong symptom, there is plenty of space on 
all partitions.

# df
Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/linbobo-root
2064208   2064208 0 100% /


Is not that line a dead giveaway? Your / partition is full.

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Re: choosing a web browser

 try seamonkey (mozilla-branch) i use it to my needs (browsing and mailing)
 for  years without any trouble.

Thanks guys, I forgot about seamonkey.

Found iceape. Will give it a try.

Very much appreciate the pointer/reminder,
Zenaan


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RE: Debian-goodies package error

2013-03-10 Thread Bonno Bloksma

Hi Dom,

 The No space left on drive is the wrong symptom, there is plenty of space 
 on all partitions.

 # df
 Filesystem   1K-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
 /dev/mapper/linbobo-root
 2064208   2064208 0 100% /

 Is not that line a dead giveaway? Your / partition is full.

How did I miss that? Ok, found the cause, a test script that created a log file 
but that should not have been running anymore.

# aptitude install debian-goodies
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  dctrl-tools{a}
The following partially installed packages will be configured:
  curl debian-goodies libcurl3 libssh2-1
[]

Current status: 0 broken [-1].
#

Thanks for pointing it out to me.

Bonno Bloksma


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Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install

2013-03-10 Thread Kelly Clowers

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
 Bob Proulx wrote:
 Richard Owlett wrote:
  Installation iso on a CD or flash drive as desired.  ( target iso
  size is ~100MB, smaller if possible)

 AFAIK Debian CD#1 is the smallest fully standalone install supported.
 But at the time that you are committed to booting from cdrom then
 might as well commit to a fully populated cdrom.  In for a penny, in
 for a pound.  I am sure there are contributed installation media that
 are smaller and standalone.  Anyone could put in the effort to create one.

 Tom H poked me that the netinst image can be used without a network.
 It is 168M and much smaller than the full CD#1.  I just did an install
 test using it in Expert mode and was able to verify that it is indeed
 possible to use the smaller netinst image on a system without a
 network.  Using Expert mode and manual selections it was possible to
 install and avoid seeing any errors.

That is  how I always install, I never install more packages than what
is on the netinst cd till after a reboot I guess I figured everyone knew.

Cheers,
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Re: choosing a web browser

2013-03-10 Thread Kelly Clowers

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Jude DaShiell jdash...@shellworld.net wrote:
 the seamonkey package may be what you're looking for.  It combines firefox
 with thunderbird in a single package and uses less system resources.  It
 also doesn't update constantly either.

Technically, it does not combine them; rather FF and TB split Mozilla
(SeaMonkey) apart.


Mozilla Alpha/Beta/Nightly user since ~2001

Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: Installer not reading preseed.cfg

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 7:54 AM, keshav prabhakar kes...@hotmail.com wrote:

 oh wow! Frankly, this is the best, most detailed response I have ever gotten
 on any list so far. :)
 but seriously, I can't thank enough for your time and interest. really
 appreciate it.
 I didn't pay much attention to my preseed.cfg yet since I was still trying
 to figure mirror issue. Also, I haven't tried the 'd-i mirror/country string
 manual' part yet and can't wait to try..
 but unfortunately I have to go out now so won't be able to try this for the
 next couple of hours.
 I'll the post details as soon as I try.
 Many Thanks!

You're most welcome.


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Re: Installer not reading preseed.cfg

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Fri 08 Mar 2013 at 22:22:25 -0500, Tom H wrote:
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
On Fri 08 Mar 2013 at 19:04:41 -0600, keshav prabhakar wrote:

netcfg/wireless_wep string#d-i mirror/country string USd-i

The first post at

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1601750

is your situation. The second post gives a solution which is discussed
further at

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kickseed/+bug/662931

The downside is it's for a different distribution. But you never know.

When it comes to d-i and preseed, Debian and Ubuntu are the same,
except for the version names and the installation of a basic system
(Debian's is d-i tasksel/first multiselect system and Ubuntu's is
d-i tasksel/first multiselect standard).

I was being cautious :) and at the time hadn't looked at what the
preseed recommendations for Mirror settings are at

http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt

Now I have I see
d-i mirror/country string manual
is mentioned.

Ubuntu's tweaked d-i here and there (two things that I remember
off-hand is that you have to press F6 to select the expert install and
you're asked whether you want to install grub to all members of an
array when you use mdraid) but it's pretty much the same d-i that
Debian uses.

I have to correct some nonsense above... I interverted Debian and
Ubuntu's d-i tasksel Debian's basic task is standard and
Ubuntu's is server (not system!). Ubuntu also has standard and
minimal but I've never checked how much smaller than server they
are. Friday night brain-tiredness. Sorry!

I've never tried it but I think that you can even use kickseed with
Debian's d-i.

I wasn't aware of it until it cropped up in the LP bug report. It
appears to be an alternative to using preconfiguration files with d-i.

When Ubuntu started going after RHEL customers, the latter must've
said that they wanted to stick to kickstart so Ubuntu developed a way
to preseed d-i with kickstart files to a certain extent.

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Re: Installer not reading preseed.cfg

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 6:25 PM, keshav prabhakar kes...@hotmail.com wrote:

 d-i mirror/country string manual
 d-i mirror/suite string stable

 yes, those two lines did the magic! Thanks.
 It started reading from the local server but...now, it's stopping next at
 this error:

No root file system
 No root file system is defined.

 Please correct this from the partitioning menu.

 I googled around and tried replacing 'lvm' with regular:

 #d-i partman-auto/method string lvm
 d-i partman-auto/method string regular

 (and commenting out the related lvm lines)

 and tried replacing 'home' with 'atomic' as well:

 #d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select home
 d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select atomic

 no luck so far. will look into the details in the morning.

I thought that it might be a squeeze v/s wheezy problem so I
downloaded a squeeze netinst and ran your lvm preseed against it. The
VM installed and booted fine.

As a start and without diagnosing further, I'd boot from an install CD
in rescue mode and re-create the initramfs either with
update-initramfs -u -k ... or update-initramfs -d -k ... ;
update-initramfs -c -k 

You might want to run update-grub after that, for good measure; or
even grub-install ... ; update-grub.


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Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
 Bob Proulx wrote:

 AFAIK Debian CD#1 is the smallest fully standalone install supported.
 But at the time that you are committed to booting from cdrom then
 might as well commit to a fully populated cdrom. In for a penny, in
 for a pound. I am sure there are contributed installation media that
 are smaller and standalone. Anyone could put in the effort to create one.

 Tom H poked me that the netinst image can be used without a network.
 It is 168M and much smaller than the full CD#1. I just did an install
 test using it in Expert mode and was able to verify that it is indeed
 possible to use the smaller netinst image on a system without a
 network. Using Expert mode and manual selections it was possible to
 install and avoid seeing any errors.

 At this point I can only assume that it is possible to use netinst
 image with the appropriate preseeds for an automated installation. I
 haven't tried it. Seems like it should work okay.

 Thanks Tom for the prodding! :-)

You're welcome.

I used the squeeze netinst with preseed earlier today.


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Refining the question - was [Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install]

2013-03-10 Thread Richard Owlett

Thank you for the replies received. They made clear that I 
had not adequately separated background information, 
physical constraints, preferences, and ideas on what 
solution should look like [for want of better term - the 
aesthetics of the solution].


I will take my cue from Brian's reply which began I'll 
respond to what is in the subject line.


The strongest physically imposed constraint - no networking 
capability for target machine. This has three 
sub-categories. Some machines have no networking hardware 
installed. In other cases no network infrastructure exists. 
Connectivity on my home machines is via a 56k modem.


The next next issue is CPU and memory. My home machines are 
GHz dual core with GBytes of ram etc. However there are 
donated machines at church that I wish to migrate from OSes 
as old as Win95. I know I'll have to deal with 486 machines. 
There may be some 386 machines (dealing with those on a case 
by case basis would be feasible).


How to define minimal install?   ;/

There's a motivational component. My first exposure to Linux 
was thru Ubuntu and Debian Live CD's. Using them or 
installing from them provided a cluttered system with lots 
of programs which I would never use and CRITICAL software 
not available [neither could connect to internet via dial-up 
so relevant software being in repository was irrelevant]. I 
investigated several Live CD's promoted as being small and 
friendly. They were that and demonstrated that what I wanted 
was feasible but they lacked support and applications I 
wanted. But they got me asking some of the right questions.


There is the philosophical component. Smaller tends to be 
better. Don't install what will not be used. At one point it 
was suggested that I just remove undesired applications. I 
noticed that removing did not reproduce never installed. 
Seems a guarantee of getting bit later.


Some the replies have prompted me to reinvestigate starting 
from the netinst. It may be much more feasible than I though 
when it was first suggested months ago. I've since done 
15-20 installs on my for experimentation only machine. I 
purposely do some things the hard way as my intention is 
to learn the guts of Linux.




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Re: choosing a web browser

2013-03-10 Thread Karl E.

Hi

On 10/03/13 01:03:53, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 I need a sane webbrowser.
 
 ...
 
 What I've tried:
 ...
 * Epiphany
 Epiphany. How I loved epiphany back in the days of Gnome 2 and 
 Firefox
 3.5, when I took a walk on the wild side of Ubuntu, and settled in on
 Ubuntu 8.04.
 Firefox 3.6 managed to provide enough reasons use it predominantly.
 Back to the present: Epiphany is not showing its toolbar icons; it 
 has
 a whole menu bar with a single Web menu. There's a different menu
 behind one of the faceless icons on the icon bar.

That sounds very strange - is this with Gnome 3 ?

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Re: Refining the question - was [Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install]

2013-03-10 Thread Rob Owens

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 09:04:12AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
 The next next issue is CPU and memory. My home machines are GHz dual
 core with GBytes of ram etc. However there are donated machines at
 church that I wish to migrate from OSes as old as Win95. I know I'll
 have to deal with 486 machines. There may be some 386 machines
 (dealing with those on a case by case basis would be feasible).
 
You might want to look into LTSP.  You configure a server (could be a
5-year-old desktop machine) and diskless thin clients (could be
something as old as a 486) boot from that server.  Networking is
required, but internet is not.  (Internet access may be required
during initial configuration fo the server).  The thin clients (old 
computers) run an X server and not much else.  They display applications 
that are being processed on the server.

I've used it for years and it works pretty well for everything except
watching videos, which tends to saturate the network.

 Some the replies have prompted me to reinvestigate starting from the
 netinst. It may be much more feasible than I though when it was
 first suggested months ago. I've since done 15-20 installs on my
 for experimentation only machine. I purposely do some things the
 hard way as my intention is to learn the guts of Linux.
 
You can definitely use the netinst cd to get a minimal system.  Just
uncheck all the software groups when it gives you an option to do so.
Typically desktop environment and standard system will be checked
automatically.  You can uncheck both of them.

There is a smaller installation CD called the businesscard CD.  I'm not
sure if it contains everything you need for a minimal system, or if it
requires downloading packages from the internet.

-Rob


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Re: choosing a web browser

On 3/11/13, Karl E. k...@jorgensen.org.uk wrote:
 On 10/03/13 01:03:53, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 I need a sane webbrowser.
 ...
 * Epiphany
 Epiphany. How I loved epiphany back in the days of Gnome 2 and
 Firefox
 3.5, when I took a walk on the wild side of Ubuntu, and settled in on
 Ubuntu 8.04.
 Firefox 3.6 managed to provide enough reasons use it predominantly.
 Back to the present: Epiphany is not showing its toolbar icons; it
 has
 a whole menu bar with a single Web menu. There's a different menu
 behind one of the faceless icons on the icon bar.

 That sounds very strange - is this with Gnome 3 ?

XFCE 4.8, debian sid.


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Re: choosing a web browser

2013-03-10 Thread Rob Owens

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:03:53PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 I need a sane webbrowser.
 
 Firstly, I'm not interested in rolling releases. In my experience,
 Firefox 3.6 was the pinnacle in browsers, in the days when Epiphany
 was also a fine option. Things appear to have gone downhill bigtime
 since then, as far as I can tell.
 
I used to keep my users on Debian Stable's version of Iceweasel.  In the
last couple years, though, I've had complaints about certain features of
websites not working properly with the outdated Iceweasel.  Gmail and
weather.com were two of the offending websites.  Updating to the latest
Iceweasel found at mozilla.debian.net fixed this.  

I guess what I'm saying is that finding a stable version of a web
browser and keeping your users on that version is not necessarily the
best way for you to avoid support calls.  I've had fewer complaints now
that I have Iceweasel automatically update to the newest available
version.

-Rob


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Re: A question about how to ask a question

2013-03-10 Thread Rob Owens

On Sat, Mar 09, 2013 at 08:51:47PM +0100, Olivier Cailloux wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 My question is about... how to best ask a question! That is because
 I have the feeling I am not asking it in the best possible way.
 
I am very little time these days, so short questions are simply more
attractive to me.  Also, specific questions are more attractive than
broad I can't get this to work type of questions.  

Regarding HDMI specifically, I dealt with my own HDMI problems recently.
I posted to this list and eventually got it solved, but I don't remember
much about it now (although I have a recollection of it being fairly
painful, so maybe I've just blocked it out).  One of my threads is here,
in case it helps you:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/12/msg00180.html

Interestingly, I posted a it works on one computer but not the other
type of question recently, and it too went unanswered.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/02/msg00728.html

Maybe there's just something too mysterious about that type of
question...

-Rob


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cannot uninstall linux-image-2.6.32-5-686

2013-03-10 Thread David Zelinsky

I just did an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' from the lasted squeeze update, and
failed to notice it had decided to install a stock kernel image:
linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-48squeeze1.  I did not want this, since
I'm using a custom kernel, and I'm not sure the stock kernel will even
work.  Worse, the linux-image package did not install properly, with
some part of the post-install script returning errors (zz-update-grub).
The rest of the dist-upgrade appeared to succeed, but the
linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 package is in a half-installed state.

I tried removing the offending package (apt-get remove) but got the
same error from the post-remove script.

How can I fix this?  I want the linux-image package to go away, and also
to make sure 'apt-get dist-upgrade' will not try to install it in the
future.

Here's relevant part of the output from apt-get dist-upgrade:

---
# apt-get dist-upgrade
[...]
Running update-initramfs.
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
Examining /etc/kernel/postinst.d.
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools 2.6.32-5-686 
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub 2.6.32-5-686 
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686
/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/zz-update-grub exited with return code 1
Failed to process /etc/kernel/postinst.d at 
/var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686.postinst line 799, STDIN line 2.
dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 (--configure):
 subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[...]
Errors were encountered while processing:
 linux-image-2.6.32-5-686
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
---

And here's what happened when I tried to remove it:

---
# apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.32-5-686
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6.32-5-686
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
1 not fully installed or removed.
After this operation, 79.9 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? 
(Reading database ... 31079 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing linux-image-2.6-686 ...
Removing linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 ...
Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 2.6.32-5-686 
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub 2.6.32-5-686 
/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686
/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
run-parts: /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub exited with return code 1
Failed to process /etc/kernel/postrm.d at 
/var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686.postrm line 234, STDIN line 2.
dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 (--remove):
 subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 2
configured to not write apport reports
  Errors were encountered while processing:
 linux-image-2.6.32-5-686
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
---

Thanks in advance for any help.

-David


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Re: Refining the question - was [Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install]

2013-03-10 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Sunday 10 March 2013 14:04:12 Richard Owlett wrote:

 How to define minimal install?   ;/
[snip]

Richard - had you thought of the Debian Business Card installer?  Even smaller 
and nearer to minimal than the netinstall CD.  And there is a nice howto:

http://www.debiantutorials.org/talkitup/archive.php/archive.php?topic=139.0

A trifle long in the tooth, but the basic principles haven't changed.

HTH
Lisi


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Re: cannot uninstall linux-image-2.6.32-5-686

2013-03-10 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


David Zelinsky wrote:

I just did an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' from the lasted squeeze update, and
failed to notice it had decided to install a stock kernel image:
linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-48squeeze1.  I did not want this, since
I'm using a custom kernel, and I'm not sure the stock kernel will even
work.  Worse, the linux-image package did not install properly, with
some part of the post-install script returning errors (zz-update-grub).
The rest of the dist-upgrade appeared to succeed, but the
linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 package is in a half-installed state.

I tried removing the offending package (apt-get remove) but got the
same error from the post-remove script.

How can I fix this?  I want the linux-image package to go away, and also
to make sure 'apt-get dist-upgrade' will not try to install it in the
future.

Here's relevant part of the output from apt-get dist-upgrade:


snip
what happens if you 'dpkg -P linux-image-2.6.32-5-686'

Hugo


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Rooting an Android Tablet on Debian

2013-03-10 Thread Charles Kroeger

I got a Kobo Arc that runs Android 4.0.4 and would like to become su for this
device. There are paid services but I don't like the sound of them and they're
expensive. Since Android is Debian several times removed,  I was wondering if 
anyone
here had a script that might help?

I use Calibre with the Arc for moving books around but Calibre is useless with 
the
Adobe DRM menace and most of my books require this.

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Problem with LAN Printer in Testing

2013-03-10 Thread Stephen P. Molnar

I have just installed Debian Wheezy/Testing on my main production
machine.

HPLIP-3.12.6 sets up the LAN printer, but when I attempt printing a
test page I get the following messages:

computation@abnormal:~$ /usr/bin/hp-printsettings

HP Linux Imaging and Printing System (ver. 3.12.6)
Printer Settings Utility ver. 1.0

Copyright (c) 2001-14 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, LP
This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
This is free software, and you are welcome to distribute it
under certain conditions. See COPYING file for more details.

WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect
to: /home/computation/.cache/keyring-Ai4f8n/pkcs11: No such file or
directory

Done.


Any help will be much appreciated.  

Thanks in advance


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Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install

2013-03-10 Thread Bob Proulx

Kelly Clowers wrote:
 Bob Proulx wrote:
  Tom H poked me that the netinst image can be used without a network.
  It is 168M and much smaller than the full CD#1.  I just did an install
  test using it in Expert mode and was able to verify that it is indeed
  possible to use the smaller netinst image on a system without a
  network.  Using Expert mode and manual selections it was possible to
  install and avoid seeing any errors.
 
 That is  how I always install, I never install more packages than what
 is on the netinst cd till after a reboot I guess I figured everyone knew.

I think that ex-pats coming from other distros don't realize this
because most other distros, I'm looking at you RH, don't really give
the option to only install a subset.  The installer there is really
designed to give you very large chunks.  GNOME, KDE, Software
Development, large chunks like those are selectable or not in the
installer.  Sure you can unselect any of those but the resulting
system is still quite large.  If people are used to that then they
never think that other systems might be different.

But until I tested it I had always thought that the netinst image
_required_ a network in order to set up the sources.list mirrors.  The
normal netinst install path does complain about not having it if there
is no network available.  But those complaints can be either ignored
or the expert path walked through to avoid it.

I think most of us using the netinst image would go ahead and set up
the network sources.list with basic values if nothing else and then
never see any errors from the installer.  Boot to the newly installed
360M system and then adjust sources.list as we desired.

Bob


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Re: Refining the question - was [Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install]

2013-03-10 Thread Richard Owlett


Rob Owens wrote:

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 09:04:12AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

The next next issue is CPU and memory. My home machines are GHz dual
core with GBytes of ram etc. However there are donated machines at
church that I wish to migrate from OSes as old as Win95. I know I'll
have to deal with 486 machines. There may be some 386 machines
(dealing with those on a case by case basis would be feasible).


You might want to look into LTSP.


This is a mailing list for Lutherans?  ?? ??? [take a look 
at 2nd hit for www.google.com/search?q=LTSP ;]
For those as acronym challenged as myself, he is likely 
referring to Linux Terminal Server Project q.v. www.ltsp.org
I can see that being of use in another project I have in 
mind. Totally irrelevant for current problem set.




You configure a server (could be a
5-year-old desktop machine) and diskless thin clients (could be
something as old as a 486) boot from that server.  Networking is
required, but internet is not.


Ohhh, twas life so simple.
To quote myself The strongest physically imposed constraint 
- no networking capability for target machine. ;/




 (Internet access may be required
during initial configuration for the server).  The thin clients (old
computers) run an X server and not much else.  They display applications
that are being processed on the server.

I've used it for years and it works pretty well for everything except
watching videos, which tends to saturate the network.


Some the replies have prompted me to reinvestigate starting from the
netinst. It may be much more feasible than I though when it was
first suggested months ago. I've since done 15-20 installs on my
for experimentation only machine. I purposely do some things the
hard way as my intention is to learn the guts of Linux.


You can definitely use the netinst cd to get a minimal system.  Just
uncheck all the software groups when it gives you an option to do so.
Typically desktop environment and standard system will be checked
automatically.  You can uncheck both of them.

There is a smaller installation CD called the businesscard CD.  I'm not
sure if it contains everything you need for a minimal system, or if it
requires downloading packages from the internet.



It requires internet connection. See 
http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ under What is the 
difference between the netinst and the business card 
images?


*HOWEVER*, in stating It does not contain the base system, 
but only the installer: even the base packages need to be 
downloaded from the net it declares feasibility of meeting 
my goal(s) - replace net by ??? .



Back when I was a college freshman we had a saying If all 
else fails THIMK! [P.S. no transcription error there;]





-Rob





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Re: Refining the question - was [Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install]

2013-03-10 Thread Brian

On Sun 10 Mar 2013 at 10:24:30 -0400, Rob Owens wrote:

 There is a smaller installation CD called the businesscard CD.  I'm not
 sure if it contains everything you need for a minimal system, or if it
 requires downloading packages from the internet.

It contains only the installer components. Everything else is dowloaded
from the internet. But don't go looking for an image of it post-Squeeze
as it is no longer produced or offered as an option.


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Re: cannot uninstall linux-image-2.6.32-5-686

2013-03-10 Thread Bob Proulx

David Zelinsky wrote:
 I just did an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' from the lasted squeeze update, and
 failed to notice it had decided to install a stock kernel image:
 linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-48squeeze1.  I did not want this, since
 I'm using a custom kernel, and I'm not sure the stock kernel will even
 work.

I imagine you had one of these installed:

  linux-image-686
  linux-image-2.6-686
  linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem

Those are meta packages that will rotate forward and depend upon the
current package such as linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-48squeeze1.
That is how the rest of us have automated system upgrades.

 Worse, the linux-image package did not install properly, with
 some part of the post-install script returning errors (zz-update-grub).
 The rest of the dist-upgrade appeared to succeed, but the
 linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 package is in a half-installed state.

The zz-update-grub script is part of the grub-pc package.

  $ dlocate /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub
  grub-pc: /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub

I don't know if you are using grub for booting but IIRC those files
are only needed to set up and install grub.  IIRC removing those will
not uninstall grub.  Meaning that you can purge the grub packages that
are causing you problem and that should allow you to to purge the
linux-image packages that you don't want.  Then afterward you can
re-install anything that you may have temporarly uninstalled.

 I tried removing the offending package (apt-get remove) but got the
 same error from the post-remove script.

Using apt-get remove will call dpkg --remove.  And dpkg --purge would
be just the same for running the prerm scripts.  You will need to
avoid the errors from the prerm family of scripts in order to be able
to cleanly remove these.

Normally package scripts are plainly available at in the
/var/lib/dpkg/info/$PACKAGE.* location.  If it is shell script we can
just hack edit the prerm and put in an 'exit 0' to avoid the error and
then remove it.  But in this case the script is a perl script.  (Still
could hack it.  It is going away.)  You can browse the script this way:

  less /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686.prerm

That script is going away when you remove the package.  So hacking it
to avoid the error seems like the best solution.  It is simply calling
all of the script parts at /etc/kernel/prerm.d/* and it is the
/etc/kernel/prerm.d/zz-update-grub script that is giving you problem.

 How can I fix this?  I want the linux-image package to go away, and also
 to make sure 'apt-get dist-upgrade' will not try to install it in the
 future.

I would hack the /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.32-5-686.prerm
perl script with exit(0); at the top right after the #!/usr/bin/perl
line.  Or I would remove grub-pc to remove the zz-update-grub script.
Probably hacking the first is most direct.  It all depends.

Then to make sure it doesn't come back make sure you do not have any
of these installed:

  linux-image-686
  linux-image-2.6-686
  linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem

And for amd64 architecture users (making this posting useful for other
architectures too) it would be:

  linux-image-amd64
  linux-image-2.6-amd64

But of course your apt-get remove is going to remove it for you.  You
can see that in this output that you showed:

 The following packages will be REMOVED:
   linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6.32-5-686

So with that you will have what you want already.

Bob


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Re: Refining the question - was [Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install]

2013-03-10 Thread Richard Owlett


Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Sunday 10 March 2013 14:04:12 Richard Owlett wrote:


How to define minimal install?   ;/

[snip]

Richard - had you thought of the Debian Business Card installer?


No.
But see my reply to Mr. Owens. I saw his note moments before 
yours ;)



Even smaller
and nearer to minimal than the netinstall CD.  And there is a nice howto:

http://www.debiantutorials.org/talkitup/archive.php/archive.php?topic=139.0

A trifle long in the tooth, but the basic principles haven't changed.


Though too young to recall taming of fire and invention of 
wheel, I don't consider old bad grin.
I'll test with Squeeze. It just might be foundation I'm 
looking for.





HTH
Lisi





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Re: A question about how to ask a question

2013-03-10 Thread Olivier Cailloux


Hello Zenaan,

Thanks for your detailed answer. On a general note, I tried to include 
details that I thought are at least a bit relevant (thus exclude details 
that I thought are not), in order not to make my post overly long. But 
that also requires some expertise I may lack...


Le 10/03/2013 03:21, Zenaan Harkness a écrit :

On 3/10/13, Olivier Caillouxolivier.caill...@gmail.com  wrote:

My question is about... how to best ask a question! That is because I

...

Original question:
Hi list,

My graphic card is connected through HDMI to my screen. I get no sound,

* You have not said where your speakers are. There is an implication
that the speakers are in your monitor, but this is not clear.
Yes indeed, my speakers are in my monitor, but I did not mention that 
because I had absolutely no idea that it could possibly matter. Does it?


* I reader, cannot be sure if your problem is simply a sound problem,
or a sound-through-hdmi problem.

I mentioned that sound through the other sound card works.

  I don't have a hdmi connection I
could even test (I use a laptop with a displayport and vga port). So
(artificial example only) I don't want to step in ... I could well
make a useless suggestion or get caught by your lack of
clarity/assumption, or you could be more technically competant, and
since you're talking hdmi, you already know more than I do... example
only.

* Short version: you did not specify whether you are trying to get
sound to go through your HDMI cable. (I just have a line out on my
laptop which I use, for example.)
I thought that was clear, so thanks for mentioning that, I will try to 
make it clearer next time.



and no error messages:

* Here, you do not say where you looked for error messages. Did you
check syslog, did you check the docs for the sound player you are
using to find out if it logs errors to some file somewhere?

* You see, when you say [I got] no error messages it's still
anybody's guess as how competant you are, or if you have truly made an
effort yourself, or not.
Okay, I could have made it more explicit. I meant that when I try 
aplay command line utility, it does not give an error message on the 
line. I assume that it would say so (on sysout or syserr, thus visible 
in the terminal) if it detected an error, as it seems to be designed for 
testing, and since the troubleshooting guide does not mention to look 
for anywhere else for error messages. But I may be wrong.



sounds seem to play correctly, according to
software, but I hear none.

* Did you check your cable is plugged in? You did not say whether you
checked basic things.
I said the sound works on the same computer, with a different OS. It is 
implicit that I do not change the cable configuration between two tests, 
it seems to me. I thought it would be sufficient to exclude a hardware 
problem such as an incorrect cable connection.



As if something was muted, though I checked
alsamixer ten times and activated everything I could.

* You are expressing frustration here. Many people do this (see my
most recent email an hour or so ago for an example), but it's not
useful. I checked ten times could easily be an exaggeration -
implying you might be an emotional hot potato.

True. I’ll remove that.



I use a debian wheezy up to date. On the same computer, but a different
OS (Ubuntu 10.04), sound works.

* This ought to be useful information - but mostly for you to test.

I do not understand the mostly for you to test part.

You haven't said if you used a dual-boot or a live-cd of Ubuntu.

Does that matter? (It is a dual-boot in fact.)

  I am
not technical enough to tell you what files to compare. But I've heard
of asound.rc or maybe it is asoundrc (don't remember sorry), so
you could hunt google for that, and Ubuntu/Debian, and compare the
files between the two OSs. But you have NOT taken advantage of this to
do more research yourself yet.
Well, I did. I have not mentionned it (but maybe I should have) because 
I did not want to make my post even longer and because it should work 
without these files. I checked for existence of any *asound* files in 
my Ubuntu install: there is no. In debian, none either. So I thought 
that’s not somewhere to search further.


The troubleshooting guide for alsa mentions that these files should not 
be used in a working install (see Warning here: 
http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc): If your system won't work without 
[these files], and you are running the most current version of ALSA, you 
probably should file a bug report.


* When you have an apparent known pathway for helping yourself, and
you have not taken it, that should be taken by you first.

* If you do not know what to look for, and are unwilling to google it,
you could ask the question, eg Can someone please advise which files
I can compare, between the Ubuntu and Debian, so I can find out why my
Debian sound does not work?
Well, the Ubuntu install is much older than Debian, thus there is likely 
many differences on the

Re: Wanted: an internet free minimal Debian install

On 3/11/13, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:
 Kelly Clowers wrote:
 Bob Proulx wrote:
  Tom H poked me that the netinst image can be used without a network.
  It is 168M and much smaller than the full CD#1.  I just did an install
..
 That is  how I always install, I never install more packages than what
 is on the netinst cd till after a reboot I guess I figured everyone
 knew.

 I think that ex-pats coming from other distros don't realize this
..
 But until I tested it I had always thought that the netinst image
 _required_ a network in order to set up the sources.list mirrors.  The
 normal netinst install path does complain about not having it if there
 is no network available.  But those complaints can be either ignored
 or the expert path walked through to avoid it.

 I think most of us using the netinst image would go ahead and set up
 the network sources.list with basic values if nothing else and then
 never see any errors from the installer.  Boot to the newly installed
 360M system and then adjust sources.list as we desired.

Perhaps there's a marketing opportunity:
Instead of netinst.iso perhaps damn-thats-minimal.iso
And the business card (~80MiB?) firetruckingly-tiny.iso

??


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Re: Rooting an Android Tablet on Debian

2013-03-10 Thread Carl Fink

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 02:57:18PM -0400, Charles Kroeger wrote:
 I got a Kobo Arc that runs Android 4.0.4 and would like to become su for this
 device. There are paid services but I don't like the sound of them and they're
 expensive. Since Android is Debian several times removed,  I was wondering if 
 anyone
 here had a script that might help?

There's no mention of the Kobo at the Debian Mobile wiki page:
http://wiki.debian.org/Mobile

However, stuff there might be helpful to you.

 I use Calibre with the Arc for moving books around but Calibre is useless 
 with the
 Adobe DRM menace and most of my books require this.

I don't buy any DRM-encumbered books. This does limit me but I find that
Tor, O'Reilly, Smashwords, Baen, etc. supply enough reading matter.

I plan to install Debian on my Asus Tranformer Pad Prime (TF701) soon, but
not in the next week. I will write up a HOWTO at the same time.
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Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

2013-03-10 Thread Brian

On Sun 10 Mar 2013 at 15:00:29 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

 Would it be possible to also pipe outgoing mail through procmail or
 similar, on its way to the MTA/SMTP server?

When I initially looked at this I thought maybe, but it did not seem
particularly friendly to do. More to the point, I wasn't prepared to
change anything in my MTA's configuration to get it working.  After all,
I became interested in this complaint about list mails plus CCs, not
because they are an annoyance to me, but as an intriguing problem.

A solution is possible if thinking is in terms of formail rather than
procmail.

There is a Debian package of proxsmtp. This program can proxy mail to a
local or remote MTA. More to the point, it can run a script which can
process the mail before passing it on. This one, for example:

   #!/bin/bash

   MID=$(date +%Y%m%d%H%M%Snoccsple...@example.com)
   TO=$(formail -zxTo:)

   if [ $TO = something which identifies debian-user ] ; then
 formail -I Message-ID: ${MID}
   fi

There we are! A Message-ID generator which can be used with MUAs other
than Mutti to mark list mails. Thank you very much for the nudge.


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Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

2013-03-10 Thread Brian

On Sun 10 Mar 2013 at 00:37:59 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:

 Zenaan Harkness wrote:
  
  Cool :)
  
  Thanks for sharing. Appreciated.
 
 +1.  I also think that is pretty cool.  Since Message-Id is one of the
 few that would be passed through.  However many clients do not do
 this.  I have many problem friends who reply with bad MTAs that break
 threads.
 
 Pretty cool just the same though.

Thank you.

An implementation of the idea is below.

If a CC arrives first, it is stored and its Message-ID recorded. A list
mail which comes in later with the same message-ID is saved and the
previous CC deleted using archmbox.

A list mail arriving first is saved and has its Message-ID recorded. A
later arriving CC is deleted because it has the same Message-Id.

A cron job using archmbox can move mails left in possiblecc to inbox at
a suitable time.

Note that another post

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/03/msg00625.html

suggests a method for generating a Message-ID for the sent list mail
which does not depend on the use of Mutt.



SHELL=/bin/sh
TESTDIR=/home/brian/procmail-testing
MAILDIR=${TESTDIR}/received-mail
LOGFILE=${TESTDIR}/Proctest.log
LOG=--- Logging for ${LOGNAME}, 

#Troubleshooting:
VERBOSE=yes
LOGABSTRACT=all

FORMAIL=/usr/bin/formail
ARCHMBOX=/usr/bin/archmbox

# msgid.cache has all its data on one line. This does not suit the egrep
# line below.
MIDCACHE=`strings ${TESTDIR}/msgid.cache`

# Get the Message-ID of the mail. Remove leading whitespace.
# MID=`formail -zxMessage-ID` is thought to be less efficient than the
# following:
:0
* ^Message-ID: \/.*
{
 MID = $MATCH
}

# Recipe 1.
# These are list mails which are not a response to one of my posts. Grab
# them immediately.
:0:
* ^List-Id:.*debian-user.lists.debian.org
* !^In-Reply-To:.*noccsple...@example.com
${MAILDIR}/debian-user

# Recipe 2.
# A list mail which responds to a post of mine. Check if a Cc has aleady
# arrived and delete it if it has. Debian has an archmbox package.
:0Whc ${TESTDIR}/.archmbox.lock:
* ^List-Id:.*debian-user.lists.debian.org
* ^In-Reply-To:.*noccsple...@example.com
* ? echo ${MID} | egrep ${MIDCACHE}
| $ARCHMBOX -k -o -1 -x Message-ID=${MID}
~/procmail-testing/received-mail/possiblecc

# Recipe 3.
# Record Message-IDs of list mails which are in response to my posts. It
# shouldn't matter if a Cc is aleady deleted.
:0Whc: ${TESTDIR}/.msgid.cache.lock
* ^List-Id:.*debian-user.lists.debian.org
* ^In-Reply-To:.*noccsple...@example.com
| $FORMAIL -D 8192 ${TESTDIR}/msgid.cache

# Recipe 4.
# We want all list mail.
:0:
* ^List-Id:.*debian-user.lists.debian.org
* ^In-Reply-To:.*noccsple...@example.com
${MAILDIR}/debian-user

# Recipe 5.
# Check Message-ID of a Cc.
:0Whc: ${TESTDIR}/.msgid.cache.lock
* !^List-Id:.*debian-user.lists.debian.org
* ^In-Reply-To:.*noccsple...@example.com
| $FORMAIL -D 8192 ${TESTDIR}/msgid.cache

# Recipe 6.
# Cc has arrived after the list mail (unlikely). It is deleted.
:0 a:
${MAILDIR}/devnull

# Recipe 7.
# A possible Cc has arrived before the list mail (most likely). It is
# put somewhere safe and only deleted if Recipe 2 sees it exists.
:0
${MAILDIR}/possiblecc


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display issues

2013-03-10 Thread Michael

Debian 6.0.7
gdm3
LG Flatron monitor model W2253VP

My display is skewed to the right about 1/4 inch.  While in a terminal 
window, I run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it comes back to the 
prompt after about two seconds.

I rebooted and logged into root terminal and the same results occur.  I 
tried running Xorg configure and I get the following message:

Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices.

I have only one monitor hooked up.  The monitor works fine in Mint 12.  

Also, there isn't an xorg.conf file under /etc/X11.  I copied the xorg.conf 
file from the Mint partition but all I got was a blank screen so I deleted 
the file.

Michael


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Re: A question about how to ask a question