Re: Great Debian experience

[Patrick Bartek]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014, Steve Litt wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Here's why I like Debian Stable...
> 
> My daughter's computer broke, so last night I took a three year, 3GB
> RAM, old wreck of a laptop and, using the Debian 7.4 network
> installer, installed Wheezy. I chose expert install, told it to
> install the nonfree repositories and auto-partition to a single
> partition plus swap. I also unchecked the Debian Desktop selection.
> Installation took about 20 minutes.
> 
> Then I did the following:
> 
> apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
> apt-get install synaptic
> apt-get install iceweasel
> 
> I typed startx, had a perfectly functional desktop, and when I ran
> Iceweasel, ***YOUTUBE VIDEOS PLAYED PERFECTLY***
> 
> It took me about 20 minutes to figure out how to get network-manager
> working with my wifi (I had to reboot). Then I looked up instructions
> on how to install Skype, and after a little experimentation because
> the instructions weren't perfect, Skype was installed.
> 
> I've been a happy Ubuntu/Xubuntu user for six years now, but I've
> gotta tell you, if I'd installed a Ubuntu variant, *something*
> wouldn't have worked. If I'd installed Arch or Gentoo, I'd probably
> still be installing.
> 
> Armed with a glitchless version of Xfce, a rock solid version of
> Iceweasel, and works-every-time Wheezy, this is the perfect laptop.

I have an even better testimonial for Debian 7.

Installed Debian 7 LXDE (32-bit) on a EeePC 900 (900MHz Celeron/1GB
RAM) replacing Eeebuntu 3.0 I installed on it 2 or 3 years before.  The
OS was past EOL and no longer supported which was causing software
problems.

In any case, I dd'd the ISO to a thumbdrive, booted and did a
"standard" install with the Base, Desktop and Laptop options. Edited
the repository list, updated, upgraded, installed Flash.  Done.  30
minutes.  Everything worked.  Wireless.  Function keys.  Etc.  Did have
a problem finding the config file for it to sleep on lid closure, but
that was it.

Works great.  Faster and smoother than Eeebuntu.

B 


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Re: Backup's to DVD

[PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES]

On Wed 19 Mar 2014 at 11:13:15 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:

> OK - it 'may' have been mostly humour for the sake of humour (I can't
> speak for PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGY, at least until the lawyers have finalised
> our takeover of their business).

You think we are going to be the pushover Tauris was recently? Dream on.

> Any backup strategy should be based on "how much will it hurt if I lose
> it", and include careful consideration about *how* you will restore it
> when you need it[*2].  As PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGY notes - recovering the data
> is of little use if the knowledge, hardware, and software needed to make
> information out of the data when that backup becomes a worthwhile
> investment. i.e. if you backup WORM drives you'll need to separately
> backup the software, hardware, and necessary manuals. CDs, and even
> Blueray and magnetic/Flash drives won't be supported forever.

On a serious note (not that everything in this subthread hasn't had
serious aspects): Thirty years ago I backed up a doctoral thesis to
some 5.25 inch floppies. The thesis was written on a BBC B computer.

Today I possess neither the machine nor a recollection of the primitive
word precessor used to write the thesis. Assuming the media (which have
remained undisturbed in a drawer all that time) are intact I still have
the problem of sourcing the machinery required to read them. How I wish
I had been aware of Latex at the time; it might have made the recovery
process easier.

Mr Queue's concern is photos. I own up to still using a 35mm film
camera. The difficulty in obtaining film and getting a roll developed is
outweighed in my mind by having the positives and negatives.

> As a general rule - a single backup strategy is not as useful as
> multiple separate ones. Risk and "how much will it hurt" should be the
> determining factors in deciding how, and how often, is appropriate.

As I've come to realise, sound advice for anything imortant. Even then
you can only work within the technology of the time.


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Re: Backup's to DVD

[Rob Owens]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:49:13AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 16/03/14 05:54 PM, Mr Queue wrote:
> >Anyone doing anything interesting to backup data to DVD's?
> >
> >https://packages.debian.org/sid/dkopp
> >
> >^^ Looks interesting and overall it's a pretty simple task. Suppose
> >I could even use tar and split but just curious what others may be doing
> >currently.
> >
> >FWIW, I'm mostly concerned with cloning my current backups of family
> >photos to different media for peace of mind. I already have a pair
> >of backup servers in different physical locations but want to add some
> >DVD's into the mix. Those are hard to rm. ;)
> 
> I've been using BD-RE for years to make backups and BD-R for
> archives. It works reasonably well providing that you're not backing
> up more than 25G. BD-REs do develop problems over time so you need
> to replace them when they wear out.
> 
You can create tar files with a 25G limit if you want, using the
--tape-length parameter.  See
http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/Multi_002dVolume-Archives.html

-Rob


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Long-term support for Squeeze

[Scott Ferguson]

This may be of interest to those, like me, still have Debian Squeeze
deployed:-
http://rgeissert.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/debian-squeeze-lts.html

NOTE: it's the blog of a Debian developer, not click-bait. But I haven't
disabled Ad-Block so don't know if it's ad-free.

Partial quotes:-
"As announced in the "Bits from the Security Team" email a couple of
weeks ago, it is possible that Debian squeeze will have Long Term
Support, primarily in the way of security updates.



Perhaps it wasn't stressed enough in the email, but those who are
interested in benefiting from (and therefore contributing to) long term
support, please do contact the security team NOW.

After all, the clock keeps ticking and Debian squeeze is going to reach
its End of Life in less than two months otherwise."



Kind Regards


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Re: Backup's to DVD

[Myceneaen Magic]

On 19/03/14 08:03, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
> On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 20:09:03 +0400, Reco wrote:
> 
>> Can you guys please take the reminder of this enlightening
>> discussion to d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org?
> 
> My Dear Reco and fellow subscribers to this esteemed List,

Especially the esteemed subscribers to this list

> 
> My caravan departure has been delayed. There is a security issue and
> the camels need bricking (details available on request, but you
> really don't want to know).
> 
> I realise (and I'm sure Myceneaen Magic does too) that we have let
> our commercial interests override our responsibility to help and
> advise users of the Debian OS. The thread drifted after I posted a
> serious comment about the longevity of stored data on CD, DVD and USB
> media. I realise now it could have been couched in better terms and
> promise to up the standard of my responses and make amends in
> future.
> 
> We let our emotions dictate our responses.

I suspect some may have taken the humour at face value, when it was
simply a humorous highlighting of some of the overlooked (evaluation)
issues involved in deciding a suitable backup strategy.

OK - it 'may' have been mostly humour for the sake of humour (I can't
speak for PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGY, at least until the lawyers have finalised
our takeover of their business).

> In spite of our difference I think his product (lasting a proven 5000
> years) and mine (good for at least 3000 years) are both
> top-of-the-range when you want the integrity of your data to be
> inviolate for many generations.
> 
> So Reco, my friend, how do CD, DVD and USB media compare? We would 
> welcome your input on this; will my family photographs or the deeds
> to my house be viewable on these modern devices in a thousand years
> time?

One consideration not included in many backup evaluation matrices is a
complete evaluation of the risk. Ralf has noted that solely relying on
on-site backups is, um, less than optimal (oxymoronic?).

On-line backups have major failings too:-
;you're relying on an entity you've never met, often in another country
subject to different laws, with unknown[*1] media management and backup
strategies.
;when you *need* that on-line backup restored where did you put the
contacts, account details, and recovery tools?

[*1] My experience is that claims and assumed expectations don't always
match reality.

Any backup strategy should be based on "how much will it hurt if I lose
it", and include careful consideration about *how* you will restore it
when you need it[*2].  As PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGY notes - recovering the data
is of little use if the knowledge, hardware, and software needed to make
information out of the data when that backup becomes a worthwhile
investment. i.e. if you backup WORM drives you'll need to separately
backup the software, hardware, and necessary manuals. CDs, and even
Blueray and magnetic/Flash drives won't be supported forever.

As a general rule - a single backup strategy is not as useful as
multiple separate ones. Risk and "how much will it hurt" should be the
determining factors in deciding how, and how often, is appropriate.

Now that we've acquired PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGY (at a knock-down price plus a
small consideration to the camel train company) I'd suggest if the
information is "heirloom" value, consider printing it on acid-free paper
and placing it in a bank vault.

[*2]too often we get calls from customers who neglected to retain a
Linear B fluent staff member.

> 
> (You may omit any discussion about the quantum energy changes
> occuring spontaneously in magnetic and optical materials. Mentioning
> Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle would also allow Myceneaen Magic
> to start on about volcanic action and clay stability, so it is better
> you keep quiet about it).

:)
And let's say nothing of acidic papyrus.


Yours without wax, Proto Cuneiform

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Re: Great Debian experience

[Javier Barroso]

Hello,
El 18/03/2014 19:54, "Steve Litt"  escribió:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Here's why I like Debian Stable...

> Then I looked up instructions
> on how to install Skype, and after a little experimentation because the
> instructions weren't perfect, Skype was installed.

If you followed wiki.debian.org skype instruction and they are not nice
enough, you can modify the wiki to make it better.

Regards,

Re: Backup's to DVD

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 21:03:17 +
PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES  wrote:

> I realise (and I'm sure Myceneaen Magic does too) that we have let our
> commercial interests override our responsibility to help and advise
> users of the Debian OS. The thread drifted after I posted a serious
> comment about the longevity of stored data on CD, DVD and USB media. I
> realise now it could have been couched in better terms and promise to
> up the standard of my responses and make amends in future.

Ok, so, we're back on the track. Good.


> So Reco, my friend, how do CD, DVD and USB media compare? We would
> welcome your input on this; will my family photographs or the deeds to
> my house be viewable on these modern devices in a thousand years time?

CD - you can read the thing after it gathered dust for 10 years.
Personal experience for both CD-R and CD-RW. An amount of information
can be stored is unreasonable by today's standards.

DVD - you can read the thing after it gathered dust for 5 years.
Personal experience for both DVD-R and DVD-RW. An amount of information
can be stored is unreasonable by today's standards.

BD - no personal experience with those.

USB drives - ok, but will require periodic poweron/poweroff cycle. MTBF
is less as of the modern HDD, which is not much again. 


So, for a long-term storage one is basically left with the same thing
as 20 years ago, i.e. - tapes. LTO5s go for $10 each on eBay, providing
you with 1.5Tb per tape. A cost of LTO drive is painful somewhat ($1500
), require an additional SAS or SCSI controller, but this is one-time
investment basically.

Reco


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Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]

[Michael Biebl]

Am 31.01.2014 18:29, schrieb Steven Rosenberg:
> I had success with suspend by adding resume=/path/to/swap to my GRUB bootline.
> 
> To find your /path/to/swap, use:
> 
> $ swapon -s
> 
> And use that to create your own /resume=/dev/sda2 type of line
> (remember, yours will vary depending on your installation.
> 
> Adding it to GRUB is another matter, but if you pause during boot and
> add this "resume=" line, then boot and then can successfully suspend
> and resume, you can then figure out how to permanently modify GRUB 2
> to make the "resume" line persist in your GRUB.


suspend != hibernate

You only need a swap partition for hibernate. You don't need it it for
suspend (to RAM).


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Re: Suspend leads to black screen without sleep [Dell Latitude E6440]

[Michal Kvasnicka]

Ghislain Vaillant  gmail.com> writes:



> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Another issue with my Dell Latitude E6440 with AMD hybrid graphics is 
suspend not working. Suspend leads to a black screen, the system does not 
go to sleep and seems to be still running (power LED and fan are still on).

> I already tried different kernel: 3.5 (Ubuntu LTS), 3.12 and 3.13 (Debian 
sid/experimental) without success.

> I was wondering if you guys experienced similar behaviour with suspend 
and if there are workarounds or ways to debug that.

> Thanks,

> Ghislain

> 





Hi,



any progress regarding this problem? Is there any solution for Ubuntu 
12.04.2 as officially supported ubuntu release? 



Thanks in advance,

Michal


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Pinning by architecture?

[Malte Forkel]

Hi,

Is there any support for pinning by architecture? I've only found bug
report #687255 [1].

Thanks,
Malte


[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687255


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Re: Backup's to DVD

[PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES]

On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 20:09:03 +0400, Reco wrote:

> Can you guys please take the reminder of this enlightening discussion to
> d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org?

My Dear Reco and fellow subscribers to this esteemed List,

My caravan departure has been delayed. There is a security issue and the
camels need bricking (details available on request, but you really don't
want to know).

I realise (and I'm sure Myceneaen Magic does too) that we have let our
commercial interests override our responsibility to help and advise
users of the Debian OS. The thread drifted after I posted a serious
comment about the longevity of stored data on CD, DVD and USB media. I
realise now it could have been couched in better terms and promise to
up the standard of my responses and make amends in future.

We let our emotions dictate our responses. In spite of our difference I
think his product (lasting a proven 5000 years) and mine (good for at
least 3000 years) are both top-of-the-range when you want the integrity
of your data to be inviolate for many generations.

So Reco, my friend, how do CD, DVD and USB media compare? We would
welcome your input on this; will my family photographs or the deeds to
my house be viewable on these modern devices in a thousand years time?

(You may omit any discussion about the quantum energy changes occuring
spontaneously in magnetic and optical materials. Mentioning Heisenberg's
Uncertainty Principle would also allow Myceneaen Magic to start on about
volcanic action and clay stability, so it is better you keep quiet about
it).


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Gnome (wheezy) questions: Language setting, speech synthesis, visually impaired user

[W. Martin Borgert]

Hi,

I'm trying to configure a laptop (Debian wheezy) for a visually impaired
user, who speaks Spanish. I'm not sure, which desktop to install for her,
so I tried the default (Gnome). It's been some time, that I tried Gnome,
so I'm a little bit stupid with it:

1. How to configure the language (Spanish)?

I tried it with "System Settings" -> "Region and Language" -> "+" ->
"Select a language" -> "Spanish" -> "Select". Now "Spanish" appears twice
in the list. I logged out and in again, as suggested by the settings dialog,
but only the clock in the middle of the upper black bar seems to be in
Spanish ("mar" = "martes"/Tuesday), everything else is still in English.
I tried multiple times, but so far no success. "es_AR.UTF-8" is a valid
locale on the system, btw. Do I need to install a language pack for Gnome?

2. How to configure speech synthesis for login and logout?

It seems, that neither the login (lightdm) nor the logout dialog (Gnome
shell?) "talks to me". When I'm logged in, Orca talks to me (in English).
Would this work with gdm and/or do I need to configure anything for this?

Thanks in advance!


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Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 20:15 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 11:45 -0700, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
> > I see this kind of thing [...] in messages my kids send me from their
> > phones.
> 
> :)

PS: What's the bigger issue, a missing font or teenage hormones ;)?



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Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 11:45 -0700, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
> I see this kind of thing [...] in messages my kids send me from their
> phones.

:)



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Great Debian experience

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

Here's why I like Debian Stable...

My daughter's computer broke, so last night I took a three year, 3GB
RAM, old wreck of a laptop and, using the Debian 7.4 network installer,
installed Wheezy. I chose expert install, told it to install the nonfree
repositories and auto-partition to a single partition plus swap. I also
unchecked the Debian Desktop selection. Installation took about 20
minutes.

Then I did the following:

apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
apt-get install synaptic
apt-get install iceweasel

I typed startx, had a perfectly functional desktop, and when I ran
Iceweasel, ***YOUTUBE VIDEOS PLAYED PERFECTLY***

It took me about 20 minutes to figure out how to get network-manager
working with my wifi (I had to reboot). Then I looked up instructions
on how to install Skype, and after a little experimentation because the
instructions weren't perfect, Skype was installed.

I've been a happy Ubuntu/Xubuntu user for six years now, but I've gotta
tell you, if I'd installed a Ubuntu variant, *something* wouldn't have
worked. If I'd installed Arch or Gentoo, I'd probably still be
installing.

Armed with a glitchless version of Xfce, a rock solid version of
Iceweasel, and works-every-time Wheezy, this is the perfect laptop.

Thanks,

SteveT

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Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


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Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum]

> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:02 AM, Ralf Mardorf 
>  wrote:
> > On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 06:06 -0700, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
>>  Is it really the case tht there's no pre-built package for this in
>>  Debian? These characters do seem to be increasingly widely used.
> 
> For my exotic audio production needs I prefer Arch Linux over Debian.
> 
> If you have other exotic needs, you perhaps are more lucky with a distro
> that fits to that needs. The huge amount of Debian packages is caused by
> splitting upstream to packages for libs, headers, bins, not because
> Debian does provide most software.
> 
>         [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi ttf-symbola | grep
>         Description
>         Description    : Font for unicode symbols (part of Unicode Fonts
>         for Ancient Scripts).
> 
> I have got doubts that "Fonts for Ancient Scripts" are 
> "increasingly
> widely used". Assumed that font is the only exotic thingy you need, it
> shouldn't cause that much work to get it without a package provided by
> the official Debian repositories. AFAIK there's no distro that fits to
> all needs, that's why I'm using several distros, among others mainly
> Debian and Arch Linux.


I didnt think that this qualifies as an "exotic" need, i guess. I see this kind 
of thing on Twitter, in forums, in messages my kids send me from their phones. 
Thats why i said i thought they were widely used.

In general Debian has worked well for me, and ive gotten good help from this 
list when ive been stuck. I wouldnt lightly abandon Debian just because some 
other distro might be better in some edge cases. Even if viewing emojis is an 
edge case, which i didnt think it was.

Jen


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Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum]

> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:02 AM, Ralf Mardorf 
>  wrote:
> > On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 06:06 -0700, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
>>  Is it really the case tht there's no pre-built package for this in
>>  Debian? These characters do seem to be increasingly widely used.
> 
> For my exotic audio production needs I prefer Arch Linux over Debian.
> 
> If you have other exotic needs, you perhaps are more lucky with a distro
> that fits to that needs. The huge amount of Debian packages is caused by
> splitting upstream to packages for libs, headers, bins, not because
> Debian does provide most software.
> 
>         [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi ttf-symbola | grep
>         Description
>         Description    : Font for unicode symbols (part of Unicode Fonts
>         for Ancient Scripts).
> 
> I have got doubts that "Fonts for Ancient Scripts" are 
> "increasingly
> widely used". Assumed that font is the only exotic thingy you need, it
> shouldn't cause that much work to get it without a package provided by
> the official Debian repositories. AFAIK there's no distro that fits to
> all needs, that's why I'm using several distros, among others mainly
> Debian and Arch Linux.


I didnt think that this qualifies as an "exotic" need, i guess. I see this kind 
of thing on Twitter, in forums, in messages my kids send me from their phones. 
Thats why i said i thought they were widely used.

In general Debian has worked well for me, and ive gotten good help from this 
list when ive been stuck. I wouldnt lightly abandon Debian just because some 
other distro might be better in some edge cases. Even if viewing emojis is an 
edge case, which i didnt think it was.

Jen


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Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum]

> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:02 AM, Ralf Mardorf 
>  wrote:
> > On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 06:06 -0700, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
>>  Is it really the case tht there's no pre-built package for this in
>>  Debian? These characters do seem to be increasingly widely used.
> 
> For my exotic audio production needs I prefer Arch Linux over Debian.
> 
> If you have other exotic needs, you perhaps are more lucky with a distro
> that fits to that needs. The huge amount of Debian packages is caused by
> splitting upstream to packages for libs, headers, bins, not because
> Debian does provide most software.
> 
>         [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi ttf-symbola | grep
>         Description
>         Description    : Font for unicode symbols (part of Unicode Fonts
>         for Ancient Scripts).
> 
> I have got doubts that "Fonts for Ancient Scripts" are 
> "increasingly
> widely used". Assumed that font is the only exotic thingy you need, it
> shouldn't cause that much work to get it without a package provided by
> the official Debian repositories. AFAIK there's no distro that fits to
> all needs, that's why I'm using several distros, among others mainly
> Debian and Arch Linux.


I didnt think that this qualifies as an "exotic" need, i guess. I see this kind 
of thing on Twitter, in forums, in messages my kids send me from their phones. 
Thats why i said i thought they were widely used.

In general Debian has worked well for me, and ive gotten good help from this 
list when ive been stuck. I wouldnt lightly abandon Debian just because some 
other distro might be better in some edge cases. Even if viewing emojis is an 
edge case, which i didnt think it was.

Jen


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Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 3/18/14, Scott Ferguson  wrote:
> I use and highly recommend fontmatrix - a font manager/viewer/wizard.


NICE tip and why I try to read EVERYTHING.. Just writing to
additionally tip (for newer users) that it might take "sudo
fontmatrix" to view the full interactive [GUI] if you decide to
install it.. And of course, that's only going to work if you've been
granted related privileges. :)

Just yesterday encountered instance where a faved font is missing in
video editing software. Font may not even be installed in current OS
but this is going to make finding out a little more "fun". :)

Cindy :)

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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Anubhav Yadav]

 Just in case: the command
>
>xrdb -merge .Xresources
>
> is definitely run when X is called. The resources in .Xresources are
> merged with those in /etc/X11. If you issue the same command from a
> terminal nothing happens to alter the resources available because
> they have already been merged.
>
>xrdb .Xresources (xrdb -load .Xresources)
>
> wipes out the resources loaded from /etc/X11 and gives you only what
> is in .Xresources.
>
> Your initial understanding of this led you away from a solution to the
> actual problem. Not to worry; everyone does it and everybody learns. :)
>

So you mean to say that the resources were already being merged but actually
came into effect when I increased their priority or made them more specific
by add the class xterm* before the settings!

I tried to do this before, I remember very well, but I used Xterm
instead of xterm.
It was mentioned here.
http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90608/xterm-not-loading-color-schemes
When that never worked I posted on the mailing list.

So my question is what do you mean by "Xterm", and then how is "xterm"
different?
I can guess it has something to do with the class of applications/ instance of
applications!


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LVM preseed install fails on physical server

[Sandeep Raman]

I'm seeing the same issue per
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740271. I've updated the
bug with my comments.

┌──┤ [!!] Partition disks ├───┐
│ │
│  Volume group name already in use   │
│ The volume group name used to automatically partition using LVM is  │
│ already in use. Lowering the priority for configuration questions   │
│ will allow you to specify an alternative name.  │
│ │
│  │
│ │
└─┘

Has anyone seen this before and/or know of a way to sort this?

Cheers,
Sandeep.

Re: Backup's to DVD

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 20:09 +0400, Reco wrote:
> Can you guys please take the reminder of this enlightening discussion to
> d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org?

Or better off-list ;), instead of using D-community-offtopic? Some of us
are still learning, but we already distinguish, we send some mails to
Debian user, others the OT list and other mails are off-_all_-lists,
those are private mails.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't an offence. I'm far away from being good
in deciding what belongs to Debian user, to the OT list or what should
be a PM. I make mistakes much too often myself.



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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Brian]

On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 21:17:47 +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote:

> > There - it works. Is there anything you could do to your existing
> > .Xresources to make the rest work? Or does it so already?
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> I solved it. Just had to change all instances of *color# to xterm*color#
> As simple as that!
> 
> What I liked more was instead of giving me direct solution you
> motivated me to find
> the solution myself. Cheers for that.

Just in case: the command

   xrdb -merge .Xresources

is definitely run when X is called. The resources in .Xresources are
merged with those in /etc/X11. If you issue the same command from a
terminal nothing happens to alter the resources available because
they have already been merged.

   xrdb .Xresources (xrdb -load .Xresources)

wipes out the resources loaded from /etc/X11 and gives you only what
is in .Xresources.

Your initial understanding of this led you away from a solution to the
actual problem. Not to worry; everyone does it and everybody learns. :)


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Re: Backup's to DVD

[Reco]

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 15:08:05 +
PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES  wrote:

> On Wed 19 Mar 2014 at 01:16:58 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:
> 
> > That's just the sort of blaggards I'd expect a fly-by night purveyor of
> > fickle products to associate with.
> 
> This "fly-by night" would really like to do that now but in response to
> an urgent message from our representative in Edo I have to catch the
> next caravan there. The vast house building project we are involved in
> requires my immediate attention.
> 
> On the journey I'll reflect on my conversation with the man with feet of
> clay and perhaps resume it when I return in five years time - if you are
> still in business.


Can you guys please take the reminder of this enlightening discussion to
d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org?

Reco


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SOLVED: Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Lisi Reisz]

On Tuesday 18 March 2014 15:47:47 Anubhav Yadav wrote:
> Can I change my subject header and all [SOLVED] to it? Because last
> time I did it, the mail went as a new thread on the mailing list! 

No, it went as a new "thread" on Gmail.   Gmail routinely breaks 
threading.  It's a pain. :-(  It's one of the reasons that I use 
Gmail as my address - but download to a "proper" email client.  I 
have marked this as SOLVED for you.  Unfortunately, Gmail will 
therefore start a new"conversation". 

Lisi


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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Anubhav Yadav]

> There - it works. Is there anything you could do to your existing
> .Xresources to make the rest work? Or does it so already?

Thanks a lot,
I solved it. Just had to change all instances of *color# to xterm*color#
As simple as that!

What I liked more was instead of giving me direct solution you
motivated me to find
the solution myself. Cheers for that.

Can I change my subject header and all [SOLVED] to it? Because last time I did
it, the mail went as a new thread on the mailing list!

Thanks again, really appreciated your time and effort!
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Pune.


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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Brian]

On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 20:20:49 +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote:

> > (If it wasn't clear, I intended you to try the two lines I gave you
> > earlier in your existing .Xresources, replacing the ones you have).
> >
> Sorry, I had the impression that you wanted me to stick to only that colors.
> Ok I cleared my .Xresources and now it has only these to lines.

It would have been sufficient to have just replaced the *foreground and
*background lines.

> xterm*foreground:#fd971f
> xterm*background:#82b414
> 
> Restarting the laptop and firing up an xterm sure changes the colors
> according to .Xresources.

There - it works. Is there anything you could do to your existing
.Xresources to make the rest work? Or does it so already?
 
> Here is the output for -query
> 
> neo1691@Innovator:~$ xrdb -query
> *customization: -color
> Xft.hinting:-1
> Xft.hintstyle:  hintnone
> xterm*background:   #82b414
> xterm*foreground:   #fd971f
> Xft.antialias:  -1
> Xft.rgba:   none
> Xcursor.theme:  Adwaita
> Xcursor.theme_core: true
> Xcursor.size:   0

Now do 'xrdb .Xresources' or 'xrdb -load .Xresources' (they are the same
command; please see  (xrdb(1)). Notice any difference? Why should there
be one? 


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Re: Backup's to DVD

[PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES]

On Wed 19 Mar 2014 at 01:16:58 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:

> That's just the sort of blaggards I'd expect a fly-by night purveyor of
> fickle products to associate with.

This "fly-by night" would really like to do that now but in response to
an urgent message from our representative in Edo I have to catch the
next caravan there. The vast house building project we are involved in
requires my immediate attention.

On the journey I'll reflect on my conversation with the man with feet of
clay and perhaps resume it when I return in five years time - if you are
still in business.


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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Anubhav Yadav]

> (If it wasn't clear, I intended you to try the two lines I gave you
> earlier in your existing .Xresources, replacing the ones you have).
>
Sorry, I had the impression that you wanted me to stick to only that colors.
Ok I cleared my .Xresources and now it has only these to lines.

xterm*foreground:#fd971f
xterm*background:#82b414

Restarting the laptop and firing up an xterm sure changes the colors
according to .Xresources.

Here is the output for -query

neo1691@Innovator:~$ xrdb -query
*customization: -color
Xft.hinting:-1
Xft.hintstyle:  hintnone
xterm*background:   #82b414
xterm*foreground:   #fd971f
Xft.antialias:  -1
Xft.rgba:   none
Xcursor.theme:  Adwaita
Xcursor.theme_core: true
Xcursor.size:   0


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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Brian]

On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 19:28:52 +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote:

> One more thing I would like to point out is that, the above outputs contains
> some extra lines in the output of 'xrdb -query" that are *NOT* in my
> version of .Xresources. Like
> *customization: -color
> Xft.lcdfilter:  lcddefault

You're getting there. :)

Where do you think the other lines come from? What is your .Xresources
merged with?

> etc.

It's not very helpful to edit.

(If it wasn't clear, I intended you to try the two lines I gave you
earlier in your existing .Xresources, replacing the ones you have).


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Re: Backup's to DVD

[Myceneaen Magic]

On 19/03/14 00:46, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
> On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 21:50:18 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:
> 
>> On 18/03/14 20:54, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
>>> On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 11:34:29 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:
>>>
 On 18/03/14 11:02, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
> On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 08:52:14 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:
>
>> On 18/03/14 06:41, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
>>> On Mon 17 Mar 2014 at 17:51:15 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote:
>>>
 The longevity of flash is still a big unknown.
>>>
>>> Well observered, Sir. The same might be said for CDs and
>>> DVDs. Why anyone should entrust their data to such volatile
>>> media is beyond our comprehension.
>>>
>>> We are an very old, established company who operate in the
>>> Dead Sea area of the Middle East.
>>>
>>> Our product has a proven record and is used by many
>>> discerning clients who require the data they have entrusted
>>> to us to be accessible at any time. We offer a 3000 year
>>> guarantee that the material we use is suitable for long term
>>> storagei.
>>>
>>> We have scribes who rarely mistake 1s for 0s or vice versa.
>>> Employees who do are weeded out by our Quality Control
>>> Section and transferred to our sister company, Pyramid
>>> Enterprises PLC.
>>>
>>> Security of your data is of paramount importance to us; there
>>> is no compromise in this area of our operations. Even
>>> shepherd boys and goats are actively dissuaded from entering
>>> within a 10 km radius of our operations.
>>>
>>> Our distinguised clients Nefertiti, Isaiah and Tutankhamun
>>> have many, many good things to say about our services.
>>> Unfortunately, they are offline at present so are unable to
>>> answer your queries.
>>>
>>> Forget the Cloud - choose the Cave. You know it makes sense.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yet another desperate attempt by a failing company to
>> capitalize on this list's readership by pushing unproven
>> technology. A passing fad - what next? Asterix trying to sell
>> bolders as portable?
>>
>> Get with it - tablets are the only way to go. Always have been
>> been, always will be.
>>
>> Yours without wax, Proto Cuneiform
>>
>>
>> -- Clay - it's here to stay and it's goat-proof!
>
>
> It's always the same; some attitudes never change. Introduce the
> most exciting invention since that of the abacus (thank you Jobs
> of Memphis) and some Stone Age Old Worlder chips in with a plea
> to continue the depletion of one of the Earth's non-renewable
> resources.
>
> Ever tried transporting the Epic of Gilgamesh from Babylon to
> Thebes in tablet form? Let me tell you, it's horrendous.
>>
>> Papyrus is the favoured medium of smugglers and other ne'er-do-wells.
>> We're an honest company catering to the needs of honest, upright and
>> enterprising customers.
>>
>> All good, informed consumers know the TSA never found a tourist trying
>> to smuggle a tablet onto a barge.
>>
>>
>
> Can't remember the number of donkeys and carts it took but the
> feed bill was astonomical. As for customs at the borders, they
> though we were importing buiding materials so the bribes mounted
> up. And don't have an accident; sticking the broken pieces back
> together is no fun, even after the pain in your toes has worn
> off.
>
> Papyrus: just a few sheets which can be rolled up and put in
> your pocket. Reading it while riding on the back of a camel is
> also a pleasant way of passing the time on a long journey.
>
> Someone who sold blank tablets once said 640 is enough for
> anyone. We envisage information as unlimited and we're expanding,
> with branches opened recently in Athens and Rome. Tomorrow the
> world!
>
>

 It 'sounds' very attractive... until the donkey eats your backups.

 Tablets - just do it! (no ink required)

 For a limited time only we'll throw in not one, but two free reeds
 with every order from debian user subscribers.

 We built our reputation on tablets (and our office). They're a
 solid investment in time proven technology. You can't build
 anything substantial with papyrus. There's only one thing it's good
 for and that's not writing on - but it does come on a roll.


 -- Clay - it's here to stay and it's goat-proof!

>>>
>>> Are these tablets the same ones which were used to build this tower
>>> at Babel? We all know what happened there. 

Siri. A beta version. It had everyone talking, but the legend lives on.

>>> You'll have to do better
>>> if you want to play with the big boys.
>>
>> And we all know what happened to the Tower of Papyrus.
>>
>>>
>>> Our R&D Department is also well ahead of you in devising a new
>>> product. Innovation means new markets; our o

Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 2014-03-19 at 00:48 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> > These characters do seem to be
> > increasingly widely used.
> 
> Agreed. I "guess" you're asking "why is the font not in the Debian
> repository?"
> 
> Are their license issues? That would be my first though when
> considering why they haven't been packaged yet.

Your guess seems to be correct.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi ttf-symbola | grep Licenses
Licenses   : custom



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Re: Backup's to DVD

[Mr Queue]

On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 16:54:48 -0500
Mr Queue  wrote:

> Anyone doing anything interesting to backup data to DVD's?
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/sid/dkopp
> 
> ^^ Looks interesting and overall it's a pretty simple task. Suppose
> I could even use tar and split but just curious what others may be doing
> currently.
> 
> FWIW, I'm mostly concerned with cloning my current backups of family
> photos to different media for peace of mind. I already have a pair
> of backup servers in different physical locations but want to add some
> DVD's into the mix. Those are hard to rm. ;)
> 
> 

Not sure what's happened to this list, used to be a great place.

Ralf, Steve, Jonathan, Scott, and Gary:

Thank you for your contributions.

I'm now ignoring my own thread.


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Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2014-03-18 at 06:06 -0700, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
> Is it really the case tht there's no pre-built package for this in
> Debian? These characters do seem to be increasingly widely used.

For my exotic audio production needs I prefer Arch Linux over Debian.

If you have other exotic needs, you perhaps are more lucky with a distro
that fits to that needs. The huge amount of Debian packages is caused by
splitting upstream to packages for libs, headers, bins, not because
Debian does provide most software.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi ttf-symbola | grep
Description
Description: Font for unicode symbols (part of Unicode Fonts
for Ancient Scripts).

I have got doubts that "Fonts for Ancient Scripts" are "increasingly
widely used". Assumed that font is the only exotic thingy you need, it
shouldn't cause that much work to get it without a package provided by
the official Debian repositories. AFAIK there's no distro that fits to
all needs, that's why I'm using several distros, among others mainly
Debian and Arch Linux.


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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Anubhav Yadav]

> Try
>
> xrdb -query
Here is it output, the colors are exactly the same as in my .Xresources.

*background:#1b1d1e
*color0:#1b1d1e
*color1:#f92672
*color10:   #b6e354
*color11:   #feed6c
*color12:   #8cedff
*color13:   #9e6ffe
*color14:   #899ca1
*color15:   #f8f8f2
*color2:#82b414
*color3:#fd971f
*color4:#56c2d6
*color5:#8c54fe
*color6:#465457
*color7:#c6
*color8:#505354
*color9:#ff5995
*customization: -color
*foreground:#a0a0a0
XTerm*ScrollBar:false
XTerm*locale:   true
XTerm*metaSendsEscape:  true
XTerm*selectToClipboard:true
Xcursor.theme:  Pulse-Glass
Xft.antialias:  1
Xft.autohint:   0
Xft.dpi:96
Xft.hinting:1
Xft.hintstyle:  hintfull
Xft.lcdfilter:  lcddefault
Xft.rgba:   rgb
Xterm*saveLines:9000
xterm*VT100.geometry:   80x32
xterm*eightBitInput:false
xterm*faceName: xft:Inconsolata:size=15:antialias=true
xterm*loginShell:   true
xterm*scaleHeight:  1.01
xterm*termName: xterm-256color


One thing I will like to say that
> appres XTerm xterm

Xterm*saveLines:9000
xterm*VT100.geometry:   80x32
xterm*scaleHeight:  1.01
xterm*faceName: xft:Inconsolata:size=15:antialias=true
xterm*termName: xterm-256color
xterm*loginShell:   true
xterm*eightBitInput:false
*color7:#c6
*color13:   #9e6ffe
*color8:#505354
*color14:   #899ca1
*color9:#ff5995
*background:#1b1d1e
*color15:   #f8f8f2
*color2:#82b414
*color0:#1b1d1e
*customization: -color
*color3:#fd971f
*color1:#f92672
*foreground:#a0a0a0
*color4:#56c2d6
*color10:   #b6e354
*color5:#8c54fe
*color11:   #feed6c
*color6:#465457
*color12:   #8cedff

Again the colors are the same.

One more thing I would like to point out is that, the above outputs contains
some extra lines in the output of 'xrdb -query" that are *NOT* in my
version of .Xresources. Like
*customization: -color
Xft.lcdfilter:  lcddefault
etc.

Also here is what my terminal looks like when I start my laptop and
how it should look actually:
http://imgur.com/a/C3EZi

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Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 19/03/14 00:06, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:19 AM, Scott Ferguson
>>  wrote:
>>> On 18/03/14 22:38, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote: What Debian font
>>> packages provide emojis?
>> 
>> "apt-file" search and "apt-cache search" give nothing.
>> 
>> Fortunately fontology is a hobby so I know it's part of Symbola.
>> 
>>> At least, thats what i think they are. Ive seen messages with
>>> little rectangular boxes with "01f 44d" and "01f 1e7" in them,
>>> and some googling
>> suggests these are
>>> thumbs-up signs and things like that. How doe i get these to 
>>> display?
>>> 
>>> (Also how do i look these up? Literally. I google and get a bunch
>>> of random things, without very much work. If I know its some kind
>>> of font, what do i type? "01f 1e7 codepoint" or "01f 1e7
>> unicode" don't
>>> work.)
>> 
>> Type in what? A search engine to find it? 
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=emojis+filetype%3Attf
> 
> That doesnt find anything.
Noted - which is why I included the second search URL.

"Also how do I look these things up" was the question I was answering,
though I'd already partially answered it.

*1st step*.  Search the Debian repository for a package with that name
(or description) in the release you have installed:-
# apt-file search $foo

If that fails:-
*2nd step*.  Search for Debian packages that include file with that name:-
$ apt-file search $foo
NOTE: if apt-file is not installed:-
# apt-get install apt-file

*3rd step*.  If that fails, try a search engine, in this case I'd try
looking for a True Type Font first using the Google search parameter for
file type "filetype:$FileExtension (see examples elsewhere in this post).

If that fails, or you aren't searching for a know file type, refine your
search using "Debian" as a keyword to limit searches to Debian, the
name, and the type of thing it is e.g. "Debian emoji font" e.g.:-
https://www.google.com/search?q=Debian+emoji+font

Which will generally provide an answer (if it's a problem you want to
solve, search these lists first, Google second, and when using Google
add the keyword "solved" to find solutions).


> 
>> Hint: https://www.google.com/search?q=Symbola+filetype%3Attf :)
> 
> That does, but requires me to know the answer already.

No, it requires you to know how to ask the right question *in order to
find the answer to the question*. There's a difference. :)

> I guess my
> question is, "if i have a Twitter message with a rectangular box with
> "01f 1ey" in it, how do i figure out what that is?"

Part of asking the right question includes avoiding an x-y problem - by
understanding, and in this case, initially communicating, *what* you
want to do (read a Twitter message). That might mean (if you were trying
to solve the problem all on your own) right-clicking in Iceweasel on the
page and seeing what character set was in use (Page Info). That would
probably show UTF. Which might lead to you asking Google:-
https://www.google.com/search?q=unicode+font+codes

Which in turn might lead you to:-
http://www.unicode.org/charts/

Where entering the code "01f 1ey" might put you on the path to the answer.
Fortunately you took the smart path and asked on this list.

> 
> 
> [snipped]
> 
>> # mkdir /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola # cp Symbola.ttf
>> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola # mkfontscale
>> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola # mkfontdir
>> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola # ls
>> /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola fonts.dir  fonts.scale
>> Symbola.ttf
>> 
>> Rinse and repeat for SymbolaGoomoji.ttf
>> 
>> I use and highly recommend fontmatrix - a font
>> manager/viewer/wizard.
> 
> Thanks for these instructions. Is it really the case tht there's no
> pre-built package for this in Debian? 

Yes.

> These characters do seem to be
> increasingly widely used.

Agreed. I "guess" you're asking "why is the font not in the Debian
repository?"

Are their license issues? That would be my first though when considering
why they haven't been packaged yet.
If their isn't please consider filing a bugreport as it could be no one
has thought to ask (you can use reportbug to check).

$ reportbug
Choose "novice", then the "GTK interface", when you get to the type of
request choose "Prospective" (the options are described), followed by
"RFP" (request for package), then follow the remaining prompts.

> 
> Jen
> 


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Re: Backup's to DVD

[PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES]

On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 21:50:18 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:

> On 18/03/14 20:54, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
> > On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 11:34:29 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:
> > 
> >> On 18/03/14 11:02, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
> >>> On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 08:52:14 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:
> >>> 
>  On 18/03/14 06:41, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
> > On Mon 17 Mar 2014 at 17:51:15 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote:
> > 
> >> The longevity of flash is still a big unknown.
> > 
> > Well observered, Sir. The same might be said for CDs and
> > DVDs. Why anyone should entrust their data to such volatile
> > media is beyond our comprehension.
> > 
> > We are an very old, established company who operate in the
> > Dead Sea area of the Middle East.
> > 
> > Our product has a proven record and is used by many
> > discerning clients who require the data they have entrusted
> > to us to be accessible at any time. We offer a 3000 year
> > guarantee that the material we use is suitable for long term
> > storagei.
> > 
> > We have scribes who rarely mistake 1s for 0s or vice versa.
> > Employees who do are weeded out by our Quality Control
> > Section and transferred to our sister company, Pyramid
> > Enterprises PLC.
> > 
> > Security of your data is of paramount importance to us; there
> > is no compromise in this area of our operations. Even
> > shepherd boys and goats are actively dissuaded from entering
> > within a 10 km radius of our operations.
> > 
> > Our distinguised clients Nefertiti, Isaiah and Tutankhamun
> > have many, many good things to say about our services.
> > Unfortunately, they are offline at present so are unable to
> > answer your queries.
> > 
> > Forget the Cloud - choose the Cave. You know it makes sense.
> > 
> > 
>  
>  Yet another desperate attempt by a failing company to
>  capitalize on this list's readership by pushing unproven
>  technology. A passing fad - what next? Asterix trying to sell
>  bolders as portable?
>  
>  Get with it - tablets are the only way to go. Always have been
>  been, always will be.
>  
>  Yours without wax, Proto Cuneiform
>  
>  
>  -- Clay - it's here to stay and it's goat-proof!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> It's always the same; some attitudes never change. Introduce the
> >>> most exciting invention since that of the abacus (thank you Jobs
> >>> of Memphis) and some Stone Age Old Worlder chips in with a plea
> >>> to continue the depletion of one of the Earth's non-renewable
> >>> resources.
> >>> 
> >>> Ever tried transporting the Epic of Gilgamesh from Babylon to
> >>> Thebes in tablet form? Let me tell you, it's horrendous.
> 
> Papyrus is the favoured medium of smugglers and other ne'er-do-wells.
> We're an honest company catering to the needs of honest, upright and
> enterprising customers.
> 
> All good, informed consumers know the TSA never found a tourist trying
> to smuggle a tablet onto a barge.
> 
> 
> >>> 
> >>> Can't remember the number of donkeys and carts it took but the
> >>> feed bill was astonomical. As for customs at the borders, they
> >>> though we were importing buiding materials so the bribes mounted
> >>> up. And don't have an accident; sticking the broken pieces back
> >>> together is no fun, even after the pain in your toes has worn
> >>> off.
> >>> 
> >>> Papyrus: just a few sheets which can be rolled up and put in
> >>> your pocket. Reading it while riding on the back of a camel is
> >>> also a pleasant way of passing the time on a long journey.
> >>> 
> >>> Someone who sold blank tablets once said 640 is enough for
> >>> anyone. We envisage information as unlimited and we're expanding,
> >>> with branches opened recently in Athens and Rome. Tomorrow the
> >>> world!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> It 'sounds' very attractive... until the donkey eats your backups.
> >> 
> >> Tablets - just do it! (no ink required)
> >> 
> >> For a limited time only we'll throw in not one, but two free reeds
> >> with every order from debian user subscribers.
> >> 
> >> We built our reputation on tablets (and our office). They're a
> >> solid investment in time proven technology. You can't build
> >> anything substantial with papyrus. There's only one thing it's good
> >> for and that's not writing on - but it does come on a roll.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -- Clay - it's here to stay and it's goat-proof!
> >> 
> > 
> > Are these tablets the same ones which were used to build this tower
> > at Babel? We all know what happened there. You'll have to do better
> > if you want to play with the big boys.
> 
> And we all know what happened to the Tower of Papyrus.
> 
> > 
> > Our R&D Department is also well ahead of you in devising a new
> > product. Innovation means new markets; our objective is 5 in every
> > home in the known world. Let's see you do *that* with clay (wet or
> > sun-b

Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum]

> On , Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum  wrote:
>
> That does, but requires me to know the answer already. I guess my question 
> is, 
> "if i have a Twitter message with a rectangular box with "01f 
> 1ey" in it, how do i figure out what that is?"


Typo--i meant '01f 1e7", as in my original message. I gather "01f 1ey" wouldnt 
be much of anything :-)

Jen


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Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum]

> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:19 AM, Scott Ferguson 
>  wrote:
> > On 18/03/14 22:38, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
>>  What Debian font packages provide emojis?
> 
> "apt-file" search and "apt-cache search"
> give nothing.
> 
> Fortunately fontology is a hobby so I know it's part of Symbola.
>
>>  At least, thats what i
>>  think they are. Ive seen messages with little rectangular boxes with
>>  "01f 44d" and "01f 1e7" in them, and some googling 
> suggests these are
>>  thumbs-up signs and things like that. How doe i get these to
>>  display?
>> 
>>  (Also how do i look these up? Literally. I google and get a bunch of
>>  random things, without very much work. If I know its some kind of
>>  font, what do i type? "01f 1e7 codepoint" or "01f 1e7 
> unicode" don't
>>  work.)
> 
> Type in what? A search engine to find it?
> https://www.google.com/search?q=emojis+filetype%3Attf

That doesnt find anything.

> Hint: https://www.google.com/search?q=Symbola+filetype%3Attf
> :)

That does, but requires me to know the answer already. I guess my question is, 
"if i have a Twitter message with a rectangular box with "01f 1ey" in it, how 
do i figure out what that is?"


[snipped]

> # mkdir /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola
> # cp Symbola.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola
> # mkfontscale /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola
> # mkfontdir /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola
> # ls /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola
> fonts.dir  fonts.scale  Symbola.ttf
> 
> Rinse and repeat for SymbolaGoomoji.ttf
> 
> I use and highly recommend fontmatrix - a font manager/viewer/wizard.

Thanks for these instructions. Is it really the case tht there's no pre-built 
package for this in Debian? These characters do seem to be increasingly widely 
used.

Jen


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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Vincent Zweije]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 04:01:36PM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote:

||  > This suggests that the resources that are loaded into your X server
||  > by default contain settings with a higher priority than your own
||  > .Xresources. The xrdb -merge merges your settings, but leaves the
||  > higher priority resources there as well, so your settings seem to have
||  > no effect. The xrdb -load throws away all settings including the higher
||  > priority ones, thus letting your settings take effect.
||  >
||  > Use the appres tool to find out what the actual settings are that are
||  > loaded in your X server. If this confirms the theory, you can start
||  > finding out where the higher priority settings come from.
||  
||  Hi! appres tool gives me this output, and these are the same values
||  that are in my current .Xresources!
||  Any pointers?
||  
||  -- *color8:#505354
||  *color14:   #899ca1
||  *color9:#ff5995
||  *background:#1b1d1e
||  *color15:   #f8f8f2
||  *color2:#82b414
||  *color0:#1b1d1e
||  *customization: -color
||  *color3:#fd971f
||  *color1:#f92672
||  *foreground:#a0a0a0
||  *color4:#56c2d6
||  *color10:   #b6e354
||  *color5:#8c54fe
||  *color11:   #feed6c
||  *color6:#465457
||  *color12:   #8cedff
||  *color7:#c6
||  *color13:   #9e6ffe

Memory fault, sorry.

Try

xrdb -query

to see all resources being used. Alternatively, pass application class
and instance name to appres, for example:

appres XTerm xterm

Vincent.
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  | don't read, does anybody get burnt?"
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Update Squeeze to Wheezy syslog "audit" entry

[basti]

Hello,
today I have update squeeze to wheezy and now my syslog is full of
messaged like:

Mar 18 13:38:39 vsrv65965 kernel: [ 8518.427682] type=1400
audit(1395146319.571:8122): avc:  denied  { read } for  pid=989
comm="postgres" name="pg_filenode.map" dev=xvda1 ino=655638
scontext=system_u:system_r:postgresql_t:s0
tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:file_t:s0 tclass=file
Mar 18 13:38:39 vsrv65965 kernel: [ 8518.427710] type=1400
audit(1395146319.571:8123): avc:  denied  { open } for  pid=989
comm="postgres" name="pg_filenode.map" dev=xvda1 ino=655638
scontext=system_u:system_r:postgresql_t:s0
tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:file_t:s0 tclass=file
Mar 18 13:38:39 vsrv65965 kernel: [ 8518.428387] type=1400
audit(1395146319.572:8124): avc:  denied  { getattr } for  pid=989
comm="postgres"
path="/var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main/base/16400/PG_VERSION" dev=xvda1
ino=671762 scontext=system_u:system_r:postgresql_t:s0
tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:file_t:s0 tclass=file
Mar 18 13:38:39 vsrv65965 kernel: [ 8518.429542] type=1400
audit(1395146319.573:8125): avc:  denied  { write } for  pid=989
comm="postgres" name="11734" dev=xvda1 ino=671767
scontext=system_u:system_r:postgresql_t:s0
tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:file_t:s0 tclass=file


selinux-policy-default is not installed.
The machine is a XEN vbox (Linux 3.0.101 #2 SMP Mon Dec 30 13:15:49 CET
2013 x86_64).

Regards,
Basti


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Re: Using LTSP on a Debian server with Raspberry PI thin clients

[Peter Teunissen]

You might try the berry terminal site: www.berryterminal.com Haven’t tried it, 
but is looks like a thin client for LSTP that boots from a SD card.

Peter



On 17 mrt. 2014, at 18:06, James Allsopp  wrote:

> Hi,
> To simplify things I was thinking about running a couple of RPI thin clients 
> off my debian server? I would be using either powerline networking or 
> wireless. I think I'll need to install a special bootloader on the RPI as 
> they can't boot using PXE.
> 
> I was wondering if anyone had actually implemented a system like this, and if 
> it was responsive enough to be useful? Are there any other considerations I 
> might need to think about?
> 
> All the best,
> James
> 

Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 18/03/14 23:18, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Joel Rees  > wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum
> mailto:bg271...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> What Debian font packages provide emojis?
> 

> 
> 
> And, in fact, the wikipedia page I pointed at above has links to the
> ones that have been adopted into the Unicode standard. 
>  
> 
> But, of course, not all those rectangular character substitutions
> are going to be e-moji. In fact, hardly any of them are,
> statistically speaking. 

Statistically perhaps - if you only install the 252 Emoji glyphs, but,
if you install Symbola (it includes emoji), and between they cover most
symbols. Hieroglyphics and various others. 7752 glyphs in total.

> 
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> Joel Rees
> 
> Be careful where you see conspiracy.
> Look first in your own heart.

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Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Scott Ferguson]

On 18/03/14 22:38, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote:
> What Debian font packages provide emojis?

"apt-file" search and "apt-cache search"
give nothing.

Fortunately fontology is a hobby so I know it's part of Symbola.

> At least, thats what i
> think they are. Ive seen messages with little rectangular boxes with
> "01f 44d" and "01f 1e7" in them, and some googling suggests these are
> thumbs-up signs and things like that. How doe i get these to
> display?
> 
> (Also how do i look these up? Literally. I google and get a bunch of
> random things, without very much work. If I know its some kind of
> font, what do i type? "01f 1e7 codepoint" or "01f 1e7 unicode" don't
> work.)

Type in what? A search engine to find it?
https://www.google.com/search?q=emojis+filetype%3Attf

Hint: https://www.google.com/search?q=Symbola+filetype%3Attf
:)


> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jen
> 
> 

curl --header 'Host: raw.github.com' --header 'User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0
(X11; Linux i686; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0 Iceweasel/27.0.1'
--header 'Accept:
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8'
--header 'Accept-Language: en-au,en-us;q=0.7,en;q=0.3' --header
'Referer:
https://github.com/tmatz/SymbolaGoomoji.ttf/blob/master/SymbolaGoomoji.ttf'
--header 'Cookie: logged_in=no' --header 'DNT: 1' --header 'Connection:
keep-alive'
'https://raw.github.com/tmatz/SymbolaGoomoji.ttf/master/SymbolaGoomoji.ttf'
-o 'SymbolaGoomoji.ttf' -L

curl --header 'Host: raw.github.com' --header 'User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0
(X11; Linux i686; rv:27.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/27.0 Iceweasel/27.0.1'
--header 'Accept:
text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8'
--header 'Accept-Language: en-au,en-us;q=0.7,en;q=0.3' --header
'Referer:
https://github.com/tmatz/SymbolaGoomoji.ttf/blob/master/Symbola.ttf'
--header 'Cookie: logged_in=no' --header 'DNT: 1' --header 'Connection:
keep-alive'
'https://raw.github.com/tmatz/SymbolaGoomoji.ttf/master/Symbola.ttf' -o
'Symbola.ttf' -L


# mkdir /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola
# cp Symbola.ttf /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola
# mkfontscale /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola
# mkfontdir /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola
# ls /usr/share/fonts/truetype/Symbola
fonts.dir  fonts.scale  Symbola.ttf

Rinse and repeat for SymbolaGoomoji.ttf

I use and highly recommend fontmatrix - a font manager/viewer/wizard.

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Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Joel Rees]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Joel Rees  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum  > wrote:
>
>> What Debian font packages provide emojis?
>
>
> 絵文字？
>

Come to think of it, have you looked at the emoji page on wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji

At least, thats what i think they are. Ive seen messages with little
>> rectangular boxes with "01f 44d" and "01f 1e7" in them, and some googling
>> suggests these are thumbs-up signs and things like that. How doe i get
>> these to display?
>>
>
> If you are talking about the Japanese e-moji, well, frankly, I've been
> tending to ignore them as substitute for the constructed emoticons like 8-*.
>
> (Also how do i look these up? Literally. I google and get a bunch of
>> random things, without very much work. If I know its some kind of font,
>> what do i type? "01f 1e7 codepoint" or "01f 1e7 unicode" don't work.)
>>
>
> You might want to ask on the Japanese user list. If my brain kicks into
> gear, I may recall where they are defined and who has charge of them,
> beyond that they are mostly proprietary extensions of the JIS character
> space. It does seem like I recently read that some of them have been
> brought into the unicode set, so you might want to nose around in
> unicode.org's pages.
>

And, in fact, the wikipedia page I pointed at above has links to the ones
that have been adopted into the Unicode standard.


> But, of course, not all those rectangular character substitutions are
> going to be e-moji. In fact, hardly any of them are, statistically
> speaking.
>



-- 
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Be careful where you see conspiracy.
Look first in your own heart.

Re: Fonts providing emojis?

[Joel Rees]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum
wrote:

> What Debian font packages provide emojis?


絵文字？


> At least, thats what i think they are. Ive seen messages with little
> rectangular boxes with "01f 44d" and "01f 1e7" in them, and some googling
> suggests these are thumbs-up signs and things like that. How doe i get
> these to display?
>

If you are talking about the Japanese e-moji, well, frankly, I've been
tending to ignore them as substitute for the constructed emoticons like 8-*.

(Also how do i look these up? Literally. I google and get a bunch of random
> things, without very much work. If I know its some kind of font, what do i
> type? "01f 1e7 codepoint" or "01f 1e7 unicode" don't work.)
>

You might want to ask on the Japanese user list. If my brain kicks into
gear, I may recall where they are defined and who has charge of them,
beyond that they are mostly proprietary extensions of the JIS character
space. It does seem like I recently read that some of them have been
brought into the unicode set, so you might want to nose around in
unicode.org's pages.

But, of course, not all those rectangular character substitutions are going
to be e-moji. In fact, hardly any of them are, statistically speaking.

-- 
Joel Rees

Be careful where you see conspiracy.
Look first in your own heart.

Fonts providing emojis?

[Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum]

What Debian font packages provide emojis? At least, thats what i think they 
are. Ive seen messages with little rectangular boxes with "01f 44d" and "01f 
1e7" in them, and some googling suggests these are thumbs-up signs and things 
like that. How doe i get these to display?

(Also how do i look these up? Literally. I google and get a bunch of random 
things, without very much work. If I know its some kind of font, what do i 
type? "01f 1e7 codepoint" or "01f 1e7 unicode" don't work.)

Thanks!

Jen


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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Anubhav Yadav]

> Are those the default settings, or did you run xrdb -load already?
>

No I haven't run xrdb -load .Xresources yet
These are the same colors that I have used in my .Xresources.

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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Vincent Zweije]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 04:01:36PM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote:

||  > This suggests that the resources that are loaded into your X server
||  > by default contain settings with a higher priority than your own
||  > .Xresources. The xrdb -merge merges your settings, but leaves the
||  > higher priority resources there as well, so your settings seem to have
||  > no effect. The xrdb -load throws away all settings including the higher
||  > priority ones, thus letting your settings take effect.
||  >
||  > Use the appres tool to find out what the actual settings are that are
||  > loaded in your X server. If this confirms the theory, you can start
||  > finding out where the higher priority settings come from.
||  
||  Hi! appres tool gives me this output, and these are the same values
||  that are in my current .Xresources!
||  Any pointers?
||  
||  -- *color8:#505354
||  *color14:   #899ca1
||  *color9:#ff5995
||  *background:#1b1d1e
||  *color15:   #f8f8f2
||  *color2:#82b414
||  *color0:#1b1d1e
||  *customization: -color
||  *color3:#fd971f
||  *color1:#f92672
||  *foreground:#a0a0a0
||  *color4:#56c2d6
||  *color10:   #b6e354
||  *color5:#8c54fe
||  *color11:   #feed6c
||  *color6:#465457
||  *color12:   #8cedff
||  *color7:#c6
||  *color13:   #9e6ffe

Are those the default settings, or did you run xrdb -load already?

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Re: which is the best lan messanger

[Nuno Magalhães]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Debian Admin  wrote:
> I would like to know which is the best and stable internal chat with out
> internet.

ejabberd (XMPP)

My 2¢, HTH
Cheers,
Nuno


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Re: Backup's to DVD

[Myceneaen Magic]

On 18/03/14 20:54, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
> On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 11:34:29 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:
> 
>> On 18/03/14 11:02, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
>>> On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 08:52:14 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:
>>> 
 On 18/03/14 06:41, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
> On Mon 17 Mar 2014 at 17:51:15 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote:
> 
>> The longevity of flash is still a big unknown.
> 
> Well observered, Sir. The same might be said for CDs and
> DVDs. Why anyone should entrust their data to such volatile
> media is beyond our comprehension.
> 
> We are an very old, established company who operate in the
> Dead Sea area of the Middle East.
> 
> Our product has a proven record and is used by many
> discerning clients who require the data they have entrusted
> to us to be accessible at any time. We offer a 3000 year
> guarantee that the material we use is suitable for long term
> storagei.
> 
> We have scribes who rarely mistake 1s for 0s or vice versa.
> Employees who do are weeded out by our Quality Control
> Section and transferred to our sister company, Pyramid
> Enterprises PLC.
> 
> Security of your data is of paramount importance to us; there
> is no compromise in this area of our operations. Even
> shepherd boys and goats are actively dissuaded from entering
> within a 10 km radius of our operations.
> 
> Our distinguised clients Nefertiti, Isaiah and Tutankhamun
> have many, many good things to say about our services.
> Unfortunately, they are offline at present so are unable to
> answer your queries.
> 
> Forget the Cloud - choose the Cave. You know it makes sense.
> 
> 
 
 Yet another desperate attempt by a failing company to
 capitalize on this list's readership by pushing unproven
 technology. A passing fad - what next? Asterix trying to sell
 bolders as portable?
 
 Get with it - tablets are the only way to go. Always have been
 been, always will be.
 
 Yours without wax, Proto Cuneiform
 
 
 -- Clay - it's here to stay and it's goat-proof!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's always the same; some attitudes never change. Introduce the
>>> most exciting invention since that of the abacus (thank you Jobs
>>> of Memphis) and some Stone Age Old Worlder chips in with a plea
>>> to continue the depletion of one of the Earth's non-renewable
>>> resources.
>>> 
>>> Ever tried transporting the Epic of Gilgamesh from Babylon to
>>> Thebes in tablet form? Let me tell you, it's horrendous.

Papyrus is the favoured medium of smugglers and other ne'er-do-wells.
We're an honest company catering to the needs of honest, upright and
enterprising customers.

All good, informed consumers know the TSA never found a tourist trying
to smuggle a tablet onto a barge.


>>> 
>>> Can't remember the number of donkeys and carts it took but the
>>> feed bill was astonomical. As for customs at the borders, they
>>> though we were importing buiding materials so the bribes mounted
>>> up. And don't have an accident; sticking the broken pieces back
>>> together is no fun, even after the pain in your toes has worn
>>> off.
>>> 
>>> Papyrus: just a few sheets which can be rolled up and put in
>>> your pocket. Reading it while riding on the back of a camel is
>>> also a pleasant way of passing the time on a long journey.
>>> 
>>> Someone who sold blank tablets once said 640 is enough for
>>> anyone. We envisage information as unlimited and we're expanding,
>>> with branches opened recently in Athens and Rome. Tomorrow the
>>> world!
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> It 'sounds' very attractive... until the donkey eats your backups.
>> 
>> Tablets - just do it! (no ink required)
>> 
>> For a limited time only we'll throw in not one, but two free reeds
>> with every order from debian user subscribers.
>> 
>> We built our reputation on tablets (and our office). They're a
>> solid investment in time proven technology. You can't build
>> anything substantial with papyrus. There's only one thing it's good
>> for and that's not writing on - but it does come on a roll.
>> 
>> 
>> -- Clay - it's here to stay and it's goat-proof!
>> 
> 
> Are these tablets the same ones which were used to build this tower
> at Babel? We all know what happened there. You'll have to do better
> if you want to play with the big boys.

And we all know what happened to the Tower of Papyrus.

> 
> Our R&D Department is also well ahead of you in devising a new
> product. Innovation means new markets; our objective is 5 in every
> home in the known world. Let's see you do *that* with clay (wet or
> sun-baked).
> 
> Wake up and smell the grass.

Your product is ideal for the privy, but your other claims, like the
product are flimsy.

> 
> P.S. You appear to have a fixation on donkeys and goats. Medical
> help is available to deal with the condition.

That's rich coming from a company who fails to tell

Re: which is the best lan messanger

[Darac Marjal]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 02:54:59PM +0530, Debian Admin wrote:
>I would like to know which is the best and stable internal chat with out
>internet.
>My requirement is 
>        it should have centralized console to manage client users and
>their chat logs like messenger server and client 
>        chat log should be save in the server, and this for monitoring
>purpose
>Form the server side User creation, editing and deletion this should be
>possible

I think I would look at ejabberd, the XMPP server. You should be able to
set it up on an internal server. Users can be managed through the admin
web-console. Centralised logging can also be added by loading a module
(which module depends on how you want to log, but have a look at
http://www.ejabberd.im/node/2782).

As it's XMPP, Users can connect using any XMPP client they feel
comfortable with (Pidgin is a popular one, but there are command-line
ones for example).


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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Anubhav Yadav]

> This suggests that the resources that are loaded into your X server
> by default contain settings with a higher priority than your own
> .Xresources. The xrdb -merge merges your settings, but leaves the
> higher priority resources there as well, so your settings seem to have
> no effect. The xrdb -load throws away all settings including the higher
> priority ones, thus letting your settings take effect.
>
> Use the appres tool to find out what the actual settings are that are
> loaded in your X server. If this confirms the theory, you can start
> finding out where the higher priority settings come from.

Hi! appres tool gives me this output, and these are the same values
that are in my current .Xresources!
Any pointers?

-- *color8:#505354
*color14:   #899ca1
*color9:#ff5995
*background:#1b1d1e
*color15:   #f8f8f2
*color2:#82b414
*color0:#1b1d1e
*customization: -color
*color3:#fd971f
*color1:#f92672
*foreground:#a0a0a0
*color4:#56c2d6
*color10:   #b6e354
*color5:#8c54fe
*color11:   #feed6c
*color6:#465457
*color12:   #8cedff
*color7:#c6
*color13:   #9e6ffe

Regards,
Anubhav Yadav
Imperial College of Engineering and Research,
Pune.


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Re: .Xresources not loading on start

[Vincent Zweije]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 06:02:33AM +0530, Anubhav Yadav wrote:

||  > The '-query' option to xrdb is useful. Interesting you used your original
||  > .Xresources rather than one modified in the light of your experience. :)
||  
||  That;s because I want my .Xresources to work, I had made colorscheme
||  changes to it!
||  Here is the complete .Xresources that I am trying to use
||  http://paste.debian.net/88298/
||  
||  The only thing that works for me is "xrdb -load .Xresources" and "xrdb
||  .Xresources"

This suggests that the resources that are loaded into your X server
by default contain settings with a higher priority than your own
.Xresources. The xrdb -merge merges your settings, but leaves the
higher priority resources there as well, so your settings seem to have
no effect. The xrdb -load throws away all settings including the higher
priority ones, thus letting your settings take effect.

Use the appres tool to find out what the actual settings are that are
loaded in your X server. If this confirms the theory, you can start
finding out where the higher priority settings come from.

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Re: Backup's to DVD

[PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES]

On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 11:34:29 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:

> On 18/03/14 11:02, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
> > On Tue 18 Mar 2014 at 08:52:14 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote:
> > 
> >> On 18/03/14 06:41, PAPYRUS TECHNOLOGIES wrote:
> >>> On Mon 17 Mar 2014 at 17:51:15 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote:
> >>>
>  The longevity of flash is still a big unknown.
> >>>
> >>> Well observered, Sir. The same might be said for CDs and DVDs. Why
> >>> anyone should entrust their data to such volatile media is beyond our
> >>> comprehension. 
> >>>
> >>> We are an very old, established company who operate in the Dead Sea area
> >>> of the Middle East.
> >>>
> >>> Our product has a proven record and is used by many discerning clients
> >>> who require the data they have entrusted to us to be accessible at any
> >>> time. We offer a 3000 year guarantee that the material we use is
> >>> suitable for long term storagei.
> >>>
> >>> We have scribes who rarely mistake 1s for 0s or vice versa. Employees
> >>> who do are weeded out by our Quality Control Section and transferred to
> >>> our sister company, Pyramid Enterprises PLC.
> >>>
> >>> Security of your data is of paramount importance to us; there is no
> >>> compromise in this area of our operations. Even shepherd boys and goats
> >>> are actively dissuaded from entering within a 10 km radius of our
> >>> operations.
> >>>
> >>> Our distinguised clients Nefertiti, Isaiah and Tutankhamun have many,
> >>> many good things to say about our services. Unfortunately, they are
> >>> offline at present so are unable to answer your queries.
> >>>
> >>> Forget the Cloud - choose the Cave. You know it makes sense.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yet another desperate attempt by a failing company to capitalize on this
> >> list's readership by pushing unproven technology.
> >> A passing fad - what next? Asterix trying to sell bolders as portable?
> >>
> >> Get with it - tablets are the only way to go.
> >> Always have been been, always will be.
> >>
> >> Yours without wax, Proto Cuneiform
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Clay - it's here to stay and it's goat-proof!
> > 
> > 
> > It's always the same; some attitudes never change. Introduce the most
> > exciting invention since that of the abacus (thank you Jobs of Memphis)
> > and some Stone Age Old Worlder chips in with a plea to continue the
> > depletion of one of the Earth's non-renewable resources.
> > 
> > Ever tried transporting the Epic of Gilgamesh from Babylon to Thebes in
> > tablet form? Let me tell you, it's horrendous.
> > 
> > Can't remember the number of donkeys and carts it took but the feed bill
> > was astonomical. As for customs at the borders, they though we were
> > importing buiding materials so the bribes mounted up. And don't have an
> > accident; sticking the broken pieces back together is no fun, even after
> > the pain in your toes has worn off.
> > 
> > Papyrus: just a few sheets which can be rolled up and put in your
> > pocket. Reading it while riding on the back of a camel is also a
> > pleasant way of passing the time on a long journey.
> > 
> > Someone who sold blank tablets once said 640 is enough for anyone. We
> > envisage information as unlimited and we're expanding, with branches
> > opened recently in Athens and Rome. Tomorrow the world!
> > 
> > 
> 
> It 'sounds' very attractive... until the donkey eats your backups.
> 
> Tablets - just do it! (no ink required)
> 
> For a limited time only we'll throw in not one, but two free reeds with
> every order from debian user subscribers.
> 
> We built our reputation on tablets (and our office). They're a solid
> investment in time proven technology. You can't build anything
> substantial with papyrus. There's only one thing it's good for and
> that's not writing on - but it does come on a roll.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Clay - it's here to stay and it's goat-proof!
>

Are these tablets the same ones which were used to build this tower at
Babel? We all know what happened there. You'll have to do better if you
want to play with the big boys.

Our R&D Department is also well ahead of you in devising a new product.
Innovation means new markets; our objective is 5 in every home in the
known world. Let's see you do *that* with clay (wet or sun-baked).

Wake up and smell the grass.

P.S. You appear to have a fixation on donkeys and goats. Medical help
is available to deal with the condition.


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Re: initscripts breaks ifupdown

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Du, 16 mar 14, 14:04:12, John Magolske wrote:
> 
> The issue was that ifupdown was pinned to 0.7.44 :
...
> Taking a look in /etc/apt/preferences I saw this:
> 
> Explanation: Pinned by apt-listbugs at Sat Nov 09 17:32:44 -0800 2013
> Explanation:   #727073: ifupdown: current version somehow brings the 
> ifaces up too late
> Package: ifupdown
> Pin: version 0.7.44
> Pin-Priority: 1000
> 
> Deleting that passage from /etc/apt/preferences and doing
> `aptitude install ifupdown` brought ifupdown up to 0.7.47.2
> 
> I had a vague memory of pinning something / allowing something to be
> pinned a while back, but didn't have anything in my notes about it.
> Thanks for the clue! Will remember `apt-cache policy` for sure now.

Since you're using aptitude you might be very interested in the 
'forbid-version' command. To the situation above, after seeing the 
apt-listbugs warning you just cancel the upgrade and

aptitude forbid-version ifupdown

(hope I got it right, I use aptitude only in interactive mode)

aptitude now will *not* upgrade to this version, but *will* upgrade to 
the next one (which hopefully has the bug fixed). It's fire-and-forget 
;)

Kind regards,
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Re: When fogetting assigned login name rather than password (and disabling root login)

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Lu, 17 mar 14, 08:43:24, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 17/03/14 04:44, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Du, 16 mar 14, 01:24:03, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> >> 
> >> In the spirit of investigation I tried testing a few methods of 
> >> disabling root login (there are likely other methods)
> > 
> > AFAIK the installer uses 'passswd -l'.
> > 
> > Kind regards, Andrei
> > 
> 
> Thanks for the information.
> 
> >From man passwd (less s, same action):-

Thanks for spotting that.

> "Lock the password of the named account. This option disables a
> password by changing it to a value which matches no possible encrypted
> value (it adds a ´!´ at the beginning of the password).
> 
> Note that this does not disable the account. The user may still be
> able to login using another authentication token (e.g. an SSH key). To
> disable the account, administrators should use usermod --expiredate 1
> (this set the account's expire date to Jan 2, 1970).

This means that I can drop my ssh key in .ssh/authorized_keys and 'ssh 
root@hostname' if needed, which I find to be a good thing.

> Users with a locked password are not allowed to change their password."
> 
> So "passwd -l" 'might'[*1] have the same effect as the second method I
> tried (in the post you refer to) which *does* stop the user rebooting
> into single-mode and logging in as root. The ways for a user to
> restore root logins in that situation are:-
> ;use rescue mode from the installer
> ;edit /etc/passwd using another OS
> ;append "init=$something" to the boot parameter
> ;(as the man suggests) login with ssh - provided you've set a token
> and don't have encryption (I'm not sure if I tried that and failed...).
> 
> The method suggested there for administrators 'should' (I haven't had
> time to test it) have the same effect as "chage -E 0 root" which won't
> prohibit the user rebooting into single-mode and logging in as root.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> [*1] untested, so I don't know if it adds the "!" to the start of the
> relevant line in /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow. I used /etc/passwd. YMMV.

I just did a stable install for a friend and decided to use the 'sudo' 
setup (i.e. pressing Enter on the root password prompt in Debian 
Installer). The results:

/etc/passwd
root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash

/etc/shadow
root:!:16146:0:9:7:::

Recovery mode works as already demonstrated by Brian:

sulogin: root account is locked, starting shell
root@:~#

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Re: which is the best lan messanger

[Scott Ferguson]

On 18/03/14 20:24, Debian Admin wrote:
> I would like to know which is the best and stable internal chat with out
> internet.
> My requirement is 
> 
> it should have centralized console to manage client users and
> their chat logs like messenger server and client 
> chat log should be save in the server, and this for monitoring
> purpose
> Form the server side User creation, editing and deletion this should be
> possible
> 

Is this *just* for Debian?

Neither linpopup or iptux have a centralized "console".

It's possible that what you want is the sub-set of groupware capabilities.


This might help:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_LAN_messengers
Hint: you'd be wanting "Serverless == No"

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Re: [Resolved] Re: When fogetting assigned login name rather than password

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Lu, 17 mar 14, 08:46:08, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >On Sb, 15 mar 14, 09:08:52, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>
> >>Sequence was:
> >>   Do full install install of Squeeze to sda1. Only non-default was
> >>  size of install partition.
> >
> >Well, setting a root password is quite a "weak" default. If you just
> >press enter (leaving the password blank) you get the sudo setup ;)
> 
> But for my tests "reproducibility" outranks "strength".
> I purchased a used laptop to be dedicated to these experiments.
> It intentionally has no network connectivity.
> There is nothing on the machine that is not on the install DVD's.
> 
> This serves two purposes:
>   1. learn the ins and outs of Debian by experiment - suits my learning
> style
>   2. choose a user experience that suits my quirks

It feels like we are talking past each other...

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Re: which is the best lan messanger

[Dmitrii Kashin]

Debian Admin  writes:

> I would like to know which is the best and stable internal chat with out
> internet.
> My requirement is
>
> it should have centralized console to manage client users and their
> chat logs like messenger server and client
> chat log should be save in the server, and this for monitoring
> purpose
> Form the server side User creation, editing and deletion this should be
> possible

% apt-cache search irc server | grep server
...
ircd-irc2 - The original IRC server daemon
...


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which is the best lan messanger

[Debian Admin]

I would like to know which is the best and stable internal chat with out
internet.
My requirement is

it should have centralized console to manage client users and their
chat logs like messenger server and client
chat log should be save in the server, and this for monitoring
purpose
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