date:20140504

On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 11:28:22PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
 I have added to my sources.list the following line:
 
 deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main
 
 But according to http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/, that won't
 make the backport appear in interactive aptitude, or be automatically
 'upgraded' to the backported version.  To actually install the
 backport, I also have to add the phrase -t wheezy-backports to the
 install command. And I have to know that there is a backport for the
 particular deb in which I have an interest. I suppose I could try
 reading the debian-backports-announce mailinglist, but I am so seldom
 bothered with having the latest version that I can't believe I will do
 that. Is there also a simple list of backported debs that I can browse
 on the web to know what is available, or a wiki pointer? I'd rather
 not subscribe to another list and monitor it regularly just for the
 very rare occation when I actually need a backport.

Probably not quite what you're looking for, but with a backports entry
in your sources.list you can search or limit within aptitude with
'?version(bpo)'. With a limit view this will only show available
packages which have a version in backports (specifically it will limit
to any packages with bpo in the version string, which all backports
do).

Cheers,
Tom

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Re: WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/username/.cache/keyring-XXXXXX/pkcs11: No such file or directory

On Sat, 3 May 2014 22:15:27 -0600
Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:


 
 I'm running Wheezy and using xfce4. Aptitude shows no sign of 'mate-*'
 packages mentioned above. I wonder how this could be ..., probably 
 an error on my part... but what? 
 

Wheezy is the stable release, so the Mate packages will not be
available there anytime soon. Package updates are only for security
patches and bugfixes there.

There are some Mate packages in sid and testing though:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=matesearchon=namessuite=allsection=all

Which means that there is a good chance that Mate will be included in
the next release.

The Mate developers also provide some .deb packages of their own,
and these  are targeted for Wheezy. But these are not part of the
official Debian repositories.


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Re: WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/username/.cache/keyring-XXXXXX/pkcs11: No such file or directory

2014-05-04 Thread David Christensen


On 05/03/2014 09:15 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:

On 20140502_1600-0700, David Christensen wrote:

But, it looks like Debian Wheezy packages are now (were then?) available:
 2014-05-02 15:51:20 dpchrist@desktop ~
 $ apt-cache search mate | egrep '^mate' | head
 mate-applets - Various applets for the MATE panel
 mate-applets-common - Various applets for the MATE panel (common files)
 mate-applets-dbg - Various applets for the MATE panel (debugging



I'm running Wheezy and using xfce4. Aptitude shows no sign of 'mate-*'
packages mentioned above. I wonder how this could be ..., probably
an error on my part... but what?


Doh!  My bad -- my system is configured to access the MATE repository 
and I installed packages from there, so of course my Apt knows about 
them.  I should have looked at:


https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=matesearchon=namessuite=stablesection=all

So, there are no MATE packages in Wheezy.  But, there are packages in 
Jessie:


https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=matesearchon=namessuite=testingsection=all


David


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Re: Question about wheezy-backports

2014-05-04 Thread Erick Ocrospoma

On 4 May 2014 01:22, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote:
On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 11:28:22PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
I have added to my sources.list the following line:

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main

But according to http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/, that won't
make the backport appear in interactive aptitude, or be automatically
'upgraded' to the backported version. To actually install the
backport, I also have to add the phrase -t wheezy-backports to the
install command. And I have to know that there is a backport for the
particular deb in which I have an interest. I suppose I could try
reading the debian-backports-announce mailinglist, but I am so seldom
bothered with having the latest version that I can't believe I will do
that. Is there also a simple list of backported debs that I can browse
on the web to know what is available, or a wiki pointer? I'd rather
not subscribe to another list and monitor it regularly just for the
very rare occation when I actually need a backport.

Probably not quite what you're looking for, but with a backports entry
in your sources.list you can search or limit within aptitude with
'?version(bpo)'. With a limit view this will only show available
packages which have a version in backports (specifically it will limit
to any packages with bpo in the version string, which all backports
do).

Cheers,
Tom

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Well, after adding backports to your sources.list file, you can run
apt-cache policy package in order to see *from* which repo are going
to be downloaded, thus, all packages that have a backported version
are shown. Maybe you'll be playing a little with apt-preferences
config if there are several packages (or dependencies) that must
belong to backports.

~ Happy install !

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Re: Question about wheezy-backports

On Sat, 3 May 2014 23:28:22 -0600
Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:

 Is there also a simple list of backported debs that I can browse
 on the web to know what is available, or a wiki pointer? I'd rather
 not subscribe to another list and monitor it regularly just for the
 very rare occation when I actually need a backport.
 
 TIA

For a list of all the packages in the backports repository:
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/allpackages

When you have the repository in /etc/apt/sources.list, and you want to
check if there is a newer version of a particular package, use

apt-cache policy package name

You may need to run 'apt-get update' first to sync the package indexes
if you don't upgrade often.

Once you have installed a package from backports, updates to that
backport will be automatic though. You only need to explicitly specify
the backports target for the initial update from stable.


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Re: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???

2014-05-04 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz

Ralf Mardorf wrote, on 05/04/2014 01:55:
 On Sun, 2014-05-04 at 01:53 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sun, 2014-05-04 at 01:05 +0200, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
 $ touch x
 $ ln -s x firefox-bin

 JFTR

 I guess your intention was

 ln -s firefox-bin x

 ;).
 
 Mumpitz (humbug), now I'm mistaken :D.
 
Yes. But touch x and rm x was expandable.



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Re: Question about wheezy-backports

2014-05-04 Thread Tom H

On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 1:28 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:

 I have added to my sources.list the following line:

 deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main

 But according to http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/, that won't
 make the backport appear in interactive aptitude, or be automatically
 'upgraded' to the backported version.  To actually install the
 backport, I also have to add the phrase -t wheezy-backports to the
 install command. And I have to know that there is a backport for the
 particular deb in which I have an interest. I suppose I could try
 reading the debian-backports-announce mailinglist, but I am so seldom
 bothered with having the latest version that I can't believe I will do
 that. Is there also a simple list of backported debs that I can browse
 on the web to know what is available, or a wiki pointer? I'd rather
 not subscribe to another list and monitor it regularly just for the
 very rare occation when I actually need a backport.

The wheezy-backports archive has an apt priority of 100 (because it's
marked as NotAutomatic: yes and ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes) so a
package from wheezy-backports will be upgraded automatically, unless
there's that package with a more recent version is installed or
available from another archive.

You can list all the wheezy-backports packages with aptitude search
~Awheezy-backports.

I've never used this search term but aptitude has a search for new
packages. I assume that a package is somehow marked as new after
apt-get update or aptitude update.

You can narrow the search to wheezy-backports with aptitude search
'?narrow(~Awheezy-backports,~N)'.


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Re: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???

2014-05-04 Thread Eero Volotinen

You need to install 32 compat libs to run 32 binaries.

Eero
3.5.2014 5.26 kirjoitti Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com:


 For background on my problem (and why I very much need to solve it), see
 http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=190t=166506p=855700#p855700

 But the essence of the problem appears to be

 me@it ~ $ /usr/local/share/firefox-3.6.28/firefox-bin
 bash: /usr/local/share/firefox-3.6.28/firefox-bin: No such file or
 directory
 [127]me@it ~ $ lsalh /usr/local/share/firefox-3.6.28/firefox-bin
 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 44K Mar  6  2012
 /usr/local/share/firefox-3.6.28/firefox-bin
 me@it ~ $ sudo /usr/local/share/firefox-3.6.28/firefox-bin
 sudo: unable to execute /usr/local/share/firefox-3.6.28/firefox-bin: No
 such file or directory
 me@it ~ $ groups
 me sudo staff lpadmin

 How is it possible that `ls` can list a file, but `bash` says No such
 file?

 Note that everything else seems to work on this box, which FWIW is

 me@it ~ $ uname -a
 Linux it 3.11-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.11.8-1 (2013-11-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
 me@it ~ $ cat /etc/debian_version
 jessie/sid

 so it's not like the box is just broken. FWIW,
 /usr/local/share/firefox-3.6.28/firefox-bin is 32-bit, while the rest of
 the box is 64-bit. I don't see how that could cause *this* problem, but
 that's the only thing unusual about
 /usr/local/share/firefox-3.6.28/firefox-bin (of which I'm aware).

 desperately confused, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com


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Re: How to get installer to align partitions on 4096 byte boundaries?

2014-05-04 Thread Rick Thomas


On Apr 27, 2014, at 2:54 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sb, 26 apr 14, 20:24:12, Rick Thomas wrote:
 
 With more and more disks being manufactured with Advanced format 
 (4096-byte physical-sectors) I'm wondering how I can tell the 
 Debian-installer partitioner to align all partitions on 4096-byte (or 
 1 MiB for FLASH) boundaries?  Is there some parameter I can pre-seed 
 -- or set at runtime?
 
 The wheezy installer (at least) aligns by default to 1MiB.

I haven't been able to test this on x86 or amd64, but on powerpc64 this doesn't 
seem to be true.

I just did a fresh install from the Wheezy PowerPC DVD-1 on an Apple PowerMac 
G5.  When it got to disk partitioning, I specified use the full disk and 
create LVM with a separate LV for /home.  The following is what the partition 
table looks like:

root@bigal:~# mac-fdisk -l /dev/sda
/dev/sda
#type name   length   base   ( 
size )  system
/dev/sda1 Apple_partition_map Apple  63 @ 1  ( 
31.5k)  Partition map
/dev/sda2 Apple_Bootstrap untitled 1954 @ 64 
(977.0k)  NewWorld bootblock
/dev/sda3 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 untitled   51 @ 2018   
(244.1M)  Linux native
/dev/sda4   Linux_LVM untitled   1953023100 @ 502019 
(931.3G)  Unknown
/dev/sda5  Apple_Free Extra  49 @ 1953525119 ( 
24.5k)  Free space

Block size=512, Number of Blocks=1953525168
DeviceType=0x0, DeviceId=0x0

When I say sector or logical-sector in the following I mean 512-byte 
sector.  When I say physical-sector I mean 8 logical-sectors (4096-bytes).  
When I say megabyte or MiB I mean 1048576 bytes or 2048 logical-sectors, or 
256 physical-sectors.

The Apple_partition_map (sda1) is fine.  It skips the 0th sector and ends on 
the 64 sector (8 physical-sector) boundary.

But the Apple_Bootstrap/NewWorld_bootblock partition (sda2), while it begins on 
a physical-sector boundary, does not end on a physical-sector boundary. A 
reasonable thing for the installer to do would be to make it exactly 1 megabyte 
long, but I'd be happy with any integer number of physical-sectors.  The 
openboot firmware is expecting it to be just about anything longer than 800k 
(100 physical-sectors / 400 logical-sectors) It doesn't know anything about 
physical-sectors vs logical-sectors, so as long as the simulation in the 
diskdrive works, so will the openboot firmware.  It only gets used when the 
system boots or a new yaboot.conf gets installed, so this is not critical, but 
it is curious.  Perhaps the installer thinks that a full MiB is too large?  I 
can imagine that this might be true on some of the IBM hardware, but I know 
it's not true for Apple hardware.  In any case...

The third partition (sda3) holds /boot for the installed Linux.  It does not 
start or end on a physical-sector boundary (due to the odd length of the 
preceding partition), though there is no reason I can think of that it needs to 
be that way.  Again, this partition is not used frequently, so not starting on 
a MiB boundary does not noticeably affect performance -- but it is odd, 
nevertheless.  However, there is absolutely *no* excuse for it not to *end* on 
a MiB boundary.  Indeed, the rather strange length seems to be chosen 
specifically to keep it from ending on a MiB boundary.  Curiouser and curiouser!

Now we come to the really strange one -- the Linux_LVM (sda4) partition.  There 
really is no excuse for it not to start on a clean MiB boundary, and every 
reason to assume that it should.  And yet... here we are with a starting sector 
that is not even a multiple of 2, let along a multiple of 2048)!

So I ask again: Aside from doing the partitioning manually, myself, is there 
any way to get the installer's partitioner to respect the new guidelines for 
Advanced Format and SSD/flash disks?

Thanks!

Rick

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Re: How to get installer to align partitions on 4096 byte boundaries?

On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote:

 [...]

 So I ask again: Aside from doing the partitioning manually, myself, is
 there any way to get the installer's partitioner to respect the new
 guidelines for Advanced Format and SSD/flash disks?


Have you tried not using a Macintosh partition map -- using a DOS/BIOS
partition map instead? Then you should be able to use the more normal
partitioning tools.

Or, kind of the reverse, have you tried partitioning it with the Mac OS
installer's disk utility? Or pdisk?

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No, Virginia, there is no such think as a dangling hard link (Re: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???)

Well, at least, if you have a dangling hard link, the file system itself is
broken. And it would not be the normal kind of breakage, at all.

rm will not actually de-allocate a file until all hard links have been
rm-ed, in file systems where multiple hard links are allowed. That is, when
you first create a file, the directory entry that you see when you ls it is
a hard link:

echo It's a gas.  file.text
# and file.txt is a hard link in the current directory.
ln file.text ../linky.text
# and linky.text is also a hard link.
rm file.text
# The file is still allocated, still exists, still accessible as
../linky.text
rm ../linky.text
# Now the file system deletes and re-claims the allocation,
# and the file finally ceases to exist.

The OP's problem is not a problem with ls, or with finding the file at all.
Nor a problem with bash finding /usr/local/share/firefox-3.6.
28/firefox-bin.

I forget who mentioned it in the parent thread, but, among the other
changes being played with in sid, 32 bit emulation is changing drastically,
so, even when he gets all the dependencies resolved, he's going to have
problems.

If he has some need to use sid, his safest bet (as someone said in the
parent thread) to set up a vm, xen or whatever, containing an OS no later
than wheezy. (Or the equivalent Mint release.)

If he needs new hardware for that, I'd suggest he requisition it from his
company, just to make sure they understand that recalcitrant sysadmins are
costing them money. And I'd recommend he points his management to the
parent thread, so that management is aware that, not only is using the
ancient VPN non-solution costing him money in terms of service OT, but
leaving them vulnerable in the very place where they are trying to
establish security.

Re: Upgrade debacle........

2014-05-04 Thread Curt

On 2014-05-03, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

 Yeah, OK, I retract the last two paragraphs.


Retraction is against list rules; you may, however, attempt to amend
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Re: solved: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???

On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com wrote:


 summary: solution: install jessie package=libc6:i386 et al


Well, my understanding is that it's likely a temporary solution. And not a
recommended one. (Think carefully about the about the recent fuss about the
openssl vulnerability.)

You need to get after your IT support staff at your workplace. Trying to
run secure traffic through FF3  or FF8 is irresponsible. I am not talking
about problems with FF3 or FF8 picking up malware, which you'll think you
can avoid because you'll only ever be going to your company's servers with
this claptrap. I'm talking about the data can be observed, analysed, and
quite possibly decrypted by a persistent attacker.


 details:

 *[...]*
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00129.html [Mike Kupfer
 Fri, 02 May 2014 21:02:48 -0700]
  The error message from bash is... unfortunate, to say the least.

 I'd like to bug-report, except

 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00146.html [Sven Joachim
 Sat, 03 May 2014 07:38:28 +0200]
  [bash] can't do any better though, because the kernel just reports
 ENOENT
  when you try to run a program and its ELF interpreter [is] missing.

 I'm the first to admit that I am, as a software developer, probably
 several orders of magnitude less than the linux kernel folks. That being
 said, in all my code I try to provide error messages that at best help the
 user actually solve the problem, and at least do not misrepresent the
 etiology. So if anyone has suggestions regarding how/where to put a bug
 that might result in a positive outcome, please lemme know.

 thanks all! Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com


Well, you've actually pinned the problem pretty well. Who, or, rather,
which tool should be responsible for grabbing the global error string at
that point? My first guess would be ld, but I'm not sure that would be the
place to start the bug report. Maybe ia32-libs or even libc6:i386.

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Re: solved: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???

On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 06:23:05PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
 On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 
  summary: solution: install jessie package=libc6:i386 et al
 
 
 Well, you've actually pinned the problem pretty well. Who, or, rather,
 which tool should be responsible for grabbing the global error string at
 that point? My first guess would be ld, but I'm not sure that would be the
 place to start the bug report. Maybe ia32-libs or even libc6:i386.

I don't think your suggestions of ia32-libs or libc6:i386 are good.
There is no ia32-libs in wheezy+ and libc6:i386 wasn't installed at the
time of the error so can't be responsible. The bug would have to be
reported against a package in the execution chain that was at least
installed.

Cheers,
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Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments

2014-05-04 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Sunday 04 May 2014 07:10:13 Bret Busby wrote:
 I did not know that a package could be downloaded and installed and run
 within a LIVE session, without Internet access

You can't download something without Internet access, be it for a Live session 
or for installation on an HDD.  But you can certainly install an additional 
package in a live session.

Lisi


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Re: need a flac utility

2014-05-04 Thread Frank McCormick


On 04/05/14 12:18 AM, Артур Истомин wrote:

On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 01:18:38PM -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:

On 03/05/14 11:51 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote:

Frank McCormick:


I need a utility to allow me to breakup a FLAC sound file. It's
apparently a collection of flac files merged together.
I also have a file which ends in the extension .cue
It's a formatted listing of the individual files in
the larger flac file.

Is a utility available for Debian (Sid) ?


My web search suggests that shntool can do this:

shntool split -f $cuefile -o flac *.flac

I didn't try it myself.



Installed it...and after some fiddlingit worked.
I will have to rename the files..it didn't keep the original file
names in the cue sheet for some reason...but I am 95% there.


You need -t option. E.g.

shntool split -f $cuefile -o flac *.flac -t %n-%a\ %t

where %n, %a and %t from man-page:
%p Performer
%a Album
%t Track title
%n Track number




  That's good to know, and IF I had rtfm I would have discovered that :)

  I was in a hurry to get this done ( for my wife who was waiting 
impatiently )...so I fiddled just long enough to get he files

extracted.

Thanks for that.



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Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments

On Sb, 03 mai 14, 22:17:22, Slavko wrote:
 
 Why there is not a option to allow to add nonfree repo in installer and
 thus allow to load necessary drivers in early stage of the installation?
 Perhaps only in expert mode... Yes, this can expect some manual reading
 to find this solution (if ti will be exist), but once again - loading
 drivers from separate media is step back in time.

Because if the firmware is needed for network access you have a 
chicken-and-egg problem: you can't download the firmware because the 
network will not work without the firmware.

The easiest solution I know of is the non-free image with firmware 
included. For me the first hit on a quick search for 'debian installer 
firmware' (without the quotes) is
https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
which points at
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
so it's not even (very) difficult to find.


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Re: Question about wheezy-backports

On Du, 04 mai 14, 04:01:25, Tom H wrote:
 
 I've never used this search term but aptitude has a search for new
 packages. I assume that a package is somehow marked as new after
 apt-get update or aptitude update.

New means packages not previously existing in *any* repository, so in 
the context of backports it's only useful to see which packages not 
already available in stable have been added. For this use-case you don't 
need additional additional patterns. In interactive mode new packages 
are displayed under a dedicated heading.

If one is watching for new packages it also makes sense to clear the 
list from time to time:

aptitude --forget-new

('f' in interactive mode)

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Re: Question about wheezy-backports

On Sb, 03 mai 14, 23:28:22, Paul E Condon wrote:
 I have added to my sources.list the following line:
 
 deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main
 
 But according to http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/, that won't
 make the backport appear in interactive aptitude, or be automatically
 'upgraded' to the backported version. 

By default backports will only show in the package information as a 
different version that you can install[1]. However, don't forget 
aptitude is highly configurable. For example changing the default 
grouping policy to something like this may achieve what you want:

Aptitude::UI::Default-Grouping 
task,status,pattern(?archive(backports)=Packages with 
backports,!?archive(backports)=Packages without 
backports),section(subdirs,passthrough),section(topdir);

(or press Shift-g in interactive mode and add the pattern... part)

For more details see aptitude's reference manual (package 
aptitude-doc-en).

[1] beware this may not lead to the same results as -t wheezy-backports

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Chromium not installable on Testing

2014-05-04 Thread Carl Fink

So a few weeks ago Chromium came uninstalled and couldn't be reinstalled.

When I tried to install it I got this:



root@rocket:/data/vids# apt-get install chromium
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 chromium : Depends: libudev0 (= 146) but it is not installable
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.



A bit of investigation found that libudev0 is also not available in
unstable. I figured this would be fixed quickly and was part of the natural
growing pains of the Testing distro ... but it has been a while and hasn't
changed.

Before I file a bug, I thought I'd ask if my problem was universal, or
specific to something about my system.

Also, why does Chromium need udev? To detect webcams and microphones?

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Re: How to get installer to align partitions on 4096 byte boundaries?

2014-05-04 Thread Rick Thomas


On May 4, 2014, at 1:24 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote:
 [...]
 
 So I ask again: Aside from doing the partitioning manually, myself, is there 
 any way to get the installer's partitioner to respect the new guidelines for 
 Advanced Format and SSD/flash disks?
 
 Have you tried not using a Macintosh partition map -- using a DOS/BIOS 
 partition map instead? Then you should be able to use the more normal 
 partitioning tools.
 
 Or, kind of the reverse, have you tried partitioning it with the Mac OS 
 installer's disk utility? Or pdisk?

Hi Joel,

Thanks for the suggestions.  Unfortunately, I don't think they would work...

It's the boot disk for a Mac. It *has* to have a Macintosh partition map.  A 
DOS partition map would not be understood by the Mac firmware,

And anyway, the object of the exercise is to use the default installer for 
PowerPC Macs, not to force it manually, as would be the case with your second 
suggestion.

Rick


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Re: Chromium not installable on Testing

On Du, 04 mai 14, 10:17:51, Carl Fink wrote:
 
 A bit of investigation found that libudev0 is also not available in
 unstable. I figured this would be fixed quickly and was part of the natural
 growing pains of the Testing distro ... but it has been a while and hasn't
 changed.

According to http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/chromium-browser.html a new 
version of chromium depending on libudev1 got uploaded on 2014-05-03.

Kind regards,
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Re: sudo in X-environment -- polkit solution

2014-05-04 Thread Osamu Aoki

Hi,

I am wondering why you even need to use wrapper explicitly?

On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 12:43:17PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sat, 2014-05-03 at 06:29 -0400, Tom H wrote:
  Thanks. As I said earlier, I consider this a bug. What's the point of
  using gksu/gksudo if you have do use a wrapper that you could use
  around su/sudo?

If I type system-config-printer to my user shell, I get GUI running
with root privilege :-)
 
 You still will get a GUI to enter the password. 

Yes, I enter my user password.

 When running su/sudo by
 a launcher, you at least need to run it in a terminal emulation.

No.  GUI program or console program without fancy wrapper can start with
the proper privilege, here.

  Maybe pkexec is the solution?

Yes.

Did you add yourself as a member of sudo group?
 https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch04.en.html#_policykit
 4.6.2. PolicyKit

PolicyKit is an operating system component for controlling system-wide
privileges in Unix-like operating systems.

Newer GUI applications are not designed to run as privileged processes.
They talk to privileged processes via PolicyKit to perform
administrative operations.

PolicyKit limits such operations to user accounts belonging to the sudo
group on the Debian system.

I think this is helping me :-)  

(The above text may be obsoleted soon by logind.)

Regards,

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Re: Chromium not installable on Testing

2014-05-04 Thread Georgi Naplatanov

On 05/04/2014 05:17 PM, Carl Fink wrote:
 So a few weeks ago Chromium came uninstalled and couldn't be reinstalled.
 
 When I tried to install it I got this:
 
 
 
 root@rocket:/data/vids# apt-get install chromium
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree   
 Reading state information... Done
 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
 requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
 distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
 or been moved out of Incoming.
 The following information may help to resolve the situation:
 
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  chromium : Depends: libudev0 (= 146) but it is not installable
 E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
 
 
 
 A bit of investigation found that libudev0 is also not available in
 unstable. I figured this would be fixed quickly and was part of the natural
 growing pains of the Testing distro ... but it has been a while and hasn't
 changed.
 
 Before I file a bug, I thought I'd ask if my problem was universal, or
 specific to something about my system.

I can not upgrade chromium on my testing (AMD64) virtual machine too.
There is a new version of chromium in sid what has dependency of
libudev1 for AMD64.

https://packages.debian.org/sid/chromium
http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/chromium-browser.html

Best regards
Georgi

 Also, why does Chromium need udev? To detect webcams and microphones?
 
 Thanks.
 


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Re: Question about wheezy-backports

2014-05-04 Thread Osamu Aoki

Hi,

On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 11:28:22PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
 I have added to my sources.list the following line:
 
 deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports main
 
 But according to http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/, that won't
 make the backport appear in interactive aptitude, 

I do not see this?

It says: All backports are deactivated by default.

So aptitude in full screen interactive mode does not show it as the default
choice in the package list mode but you can select it by going into 1
level from the package list mode.  There you can select the backported
packages.

 or be automatically 'upgraded' to the backported version.  

True.

 To actually install the
 backport, I also have to add the phrase -t wheezy-backports to the
 install command. 

If you are using command line mode.  True.  The same goes to apt-get.

 And I have to know that there is a backport for the
 particular deb in which I have an interest. I suppose I could try
 reading the debian-backports-announce mailinglist, but I am so seldom
 bothered with having the latest version that I can't believe I will do
 that. Is there also a simple list of backported debs that I can browse
 on the web to know what is available, or a wiki pointer? 

See Andrei's post for the right solution.  If you are much lazier, just
bump apt preferences to make them automatically installed. See:

 $ man apt_preferences

Regards,

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Re: Chromium not installable on Testing

2014-05-04 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2014-05-04 16:17 +0200, Carl Fink wrote:

 So a few weeks ago Chromium came uninstalled and couldn't be reinstalled.

 When I tried to install it I got this:



 root@rocket:/data/vids# apt-get install chromium
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree   
 Reading state information... Done
 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
 requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
 distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
 or been moved out of Incoming.
 The following information may help to resolve the situation:

 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  chromium : Depends: libudev0 (= 146) but it is not installable
 E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

Yes, the security upload of chromium that became part of Debian 7.5 had
a newer version than was available in testing, so to fulfill the rule
packages must not have a higher in stable than in testing the package
from the point release was copied to testing (and unstable on i386).
Unfortunately, it is not installable. :-/

If you are using amd64, you can install the package from unstable.  On
i386, install the package from stable-security and libudev0 from stable.

 A bit of investigation found that libudev0 is also not available in
 unstable. I figured this would be fixed quickly and was part of the natural
 growing pains of the Testing distro ... but it has been a while and hasn't
 changed.

Because chromium still has not been built on i386 in unstable, the
latest version failed because the linker ran out of address space.

 Before I file a bug, I thought I'd ask if my problem was universal, or
 specific to something about my system.

No need to report a bug, the problem is known.  In the long run, I
suspect it will be restricted to build on amd64 only since it requires
too much memory to be linked on 32 bit architectures.

 Also, why does Chromium need udev? To detect webcams and microphones?

Good question, even Gentoo does not allow building chromium without udev
so I guess it's mandatory, but I don't know why.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: solved: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???

2014-05-04 Thread Tom H

On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote:
 On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 06:23:05PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
 On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com wrote:

 summary: solution: install jessie package=libc6:i386 et al


 Well, you've actually pinned the problem pretty well. Who, or, rather,
 which tool should be responsible for grabbing the global error string at
 that point? My first guess would be ld, but I'm not sure that would be the
 place to start the bug report. Maybe ia32-libs or even libc6:i386.

 I don't think your suggestions of ia32-libs or libc6:i386 are good.
 There is no ia32-libs in wheezy+ and libc6:i386 wasn't installed at the
 time of the error so can't be responsible. The bug would have to be
 reported against a package in the execution chain that was at least
 installed.

But installing libc6:i386 and a few others allows firefox to work:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00185.html


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Dualboot: Strange behavior

2014-05-04 Thread Klaus Jantzen

Hi,

I successfully installed Windows 7 and Wheezy on my DELL laptop E6530.

As I do not use WIN7 very often and really don't look at the GRUB menu
when starting my machine as Wheezy is supposed to start automatically,
I discovered only two days ago, that the  WIN7-entry of the GRUB menu
has disappeared.

I checked the partitions and everything looked OK.

With the BootRepairDisk (could not live without it) I recreated the
GRUB menu and now I see Wheezy and WIN7 again and both work as expected.

How could something like happen?
Could an update of Win7 or Wheezy do something like that?

Does anybody have a similar experience?

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Re: Chromium not installable on Testing

2014-05-04 Thread Carl Fink

On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 05:38:03PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:

 Yes, the security upload of chromium that became part of Debian 7.5 had
 a newer version than was available in testing, so to fulfill the rule
 packages must not have a higher in stable than in testing the package
 from the point release was copied to testing (and unstable on i386).
 Unfortunately, it is not installable. :-/
 
 If you are using amd64, you can install the package from unstable.  On
 i386, install the package from stable-security and libudev0 from stable.

Thanks (and thanks to the others who answered as well).
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Re: Question about wheezy-backports

On Lu, 05 mai 14, 00:32:55, Osamu Aoki wrote:
 
 If you are much lazier, just
 bump apt preferences to make them automatically installed. See:
 
  $ man apt_preferences

This is however not supported and not recommended.
https://lists.debian.org/20140427123500.ga2...@formorer.de

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Re: Chromium not installable on Testing

2014-05-04 Thread Sven Hartge

Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:

 Because chromium still has not been built on i386 in unstable, the
 latest version failed because the linker ran out of address space.

It could work by disabling the build of debug symbols.  At least this
was hinted at in some bugs in the upstreams Chromium bug tracker.

Or maybe it is possible to build the 32bit package on a 64bit buildd
with a 64bit linker but still producing a 32bit binary.

But the maintainer team for chromium has to decide, what to do.


Grüße,
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Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments

2014-05-04 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 04:34:30AM +0100, Tom Furie wrote:
 On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 12:19:50PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
   
   tasks-xfce-desktop is a meta package that includes xfce, and also a set
   of additional packages that are typically used on a desktop system,
   like libreoffice and iceweasel. 
  
  Those packages should be part of an OS install, not a DE, or am I wrong?
 
 I think you are wrong. Those applications (office-suite, web-browser)
 are applications on top of your desktop environment, which is a layer on
 top of the OS. They are certainly useful to most people, but they are
 not crucial to a functional desktop environment, and they are certainly
 not crucial to a working operating system.

I learn something every day. I always thought the office suite and
browser were part of the base OS.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

 
 Added to that, intalling one of the -desktop tasks (for the most part)
 pulls in a particular office suite and a particular browser, which might
 not be those I want installed.

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hdparm -t yields incorrect timings when Intel hyperthreading is enabled

2014-05-04 Thread Paul Ausbeck

Running Wheezy 7.4,  kernel 3.2.0-4-686-pae, also on Debian backports 
kernel 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae


sudo hdparm -t /dev/sda

/dev/sda: # Hyperthreading enabled in bios
 Timing buffered disk reads:  36 MB in  3.06 seconds =  11.77 MB/sec   
# Apparently not correct


/dev/sda: # Hyperthreading disabled in bios
 Timing buffered disk reads: 444 MB in  3.01 seconds = 147.38 MB/sec # 
Expected for WD10EZRX


I've formed the habit of using hdparm to vet basic disk operation when I 
build a new system. Recently I built a system based upon the Intel Atom 
dn2800mt motherboard. When I went to vet disk bandwidth, I obtained 
unexpectedly slow readings from hdparm. I found that if I disable 
hyperthreading in the bios, bandwidth readings are as expected. I 
believe the numbers reported by hdparm are incorrect when hyperthreading 
is enabled. There is no other evidence of disk bandwidth problems, and 
with hyperthreading enabled the system boots slightly faster to ethernet 
up, 11.92s, vs 12.45s:


[   12.454118] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow 
Control: Rx/Tx   # hyperthreading disabled in bios


Has anyone else experienced this problem? I'm wondering if it is general 
to hyperthreading or specific to my particular atom based machine.



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Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments

2014-05-04 Thread Robert Holtzman

On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 03:10:36PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
 Robert Holtzman writes:
  Those packages should be part of an OS install, not a DE, or am I
  wrong?
 
 Why would you want an office suite and a graphical browser on a
 server?

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Re: Debian 7.x and desktop environments

2014-05-04 Thread Steve Litt

On Sun, 4 May 2014 11:41:12 -0700
Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:


 I learn something every day. I always thought the office suite and
 browser were part of the base OS.
 
 Thanks for the enlightenment.

:-)

Well, that's certainly a goal Bill Gates is working to bring us closer
to, but we Linux people have been dragging our feet. :-)

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Re: Dualboot: Strange behavior

2014-05-04 Thread Klaus

On 04/05/14 17:07, Klaus Jantzen wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I successfully installed Windows 7 and Wheezy on my DELL laptop E6530.
 
 As I do not use WIN7 very often and really don't look at the GRUB menu
 when starting my machine as Wheezy is supposed to start automatically,
 I discovered only two days ago, that the  WIN7-entry of the GRUB menu
 has disappeared.
 
 I checked the partitions and everything looked OK.
 
 With the BootRepairDisk (could not live without it) I recreated the
 GRUB menu and now I see Wheezy and WIN7 again and both work as expected.
 
 How could something like happen?
 Could an update of Win7 or Wheezy do something like that?
 
 Does anybody have a similar experience?
 
Hi Klaus

this is the other Klaus here :-)

I don't know a direct answer to your How could it happen? question.
Grub knows about other OSes through os-prober. When you run
update-grub, then the script /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober is invoked,
searching for other installed OSes. Unless, that is, the variable
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER is set to true (for instance in
/etc/default/grub). So, things to check on your box are:
$ whereis os-prober
$ apt-cache policy os-prober
$ grep PROBER /etc/default/grub

Any clues?

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[multiarch] easy fix for interarchitectural package conflict?

2014-05-04 Thread Tom Roche


summary: jessie/sid:amd64 box must install an i386 package which depends on 
libgif4:i386, but

- libgif4:i386 conflicts with libgif4:amd64
- important apps depend on libgif4:amd64

details:

As detailed @ http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=190t=164522 I am 
forced to run a 32-bit java plugin (F5 Network Access Plugin) on a 32-bit 
firefox on an otherwise 64-bit (and up-to-date) LMDE box:

me@it ~ $ uname -a
Linux it 3.11-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.11.8-1 (2013-11-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
me@it ~ $ cat /etc/debian_version 
jessie/sid
me@it ~ $ inxi -r
Repos: Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
   deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
   Active apt sources in file: 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
   deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian main upstream import
   deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/ testing main contrib non-free
   deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main 
contrib non-free
   deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main non-free
   deb http://extra.linuxmint.com debian main

As detailed @ https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00243.html I am 
now able to run the 32-bit firefox-3.6.28 on the box. However, when I try to 
install the F5NAP on the running firefox-3.6.28, I currently get

LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library 
/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so 
[/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so: wrong ELF 
class: ELFCLASS64]

followed by similar errors, followed by install failure. To fix this, I try to 
install an i386 version of IcedTeaPlugin.so as follows (noting the Mint-iness 
of a tool used):

me@it ~ $ apt contains $(which apt)
mintsystem: /usr/local/bin/apt

me@it ~ $ apt contains IcedTeaPlugin.so
icedtea-7-plugin:amd64: 
/usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so
icedtea-6-plugin:amd64: 
/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so

me@it ~ $ sudo aptitude -s install icedtea-7-plugin:i386
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  icedtea-7-plugin:i386 icedtea-netx:i386{a} libasyncns0:i386{a} 
libatk-wrapper-java-jni:i386{a} libattr1:i386{a} libcap2:i386{a} 
libflac8:i386{a} libgif4:i386{ab} libjson-c2:i386{a} 
  liblcms2-2:i386{a} libnspr4:i386{a} libnss3:i386{a} libogg0:i386{a} 
libpango1.0-0:i386{a} libpangox-1.0-0:i386 libpangoxft-1.0-0:i386 
libpcsclite1:i386{a} libpulse0:i386{a} 
  libsndfile1:i386{a} libsqlite3-0:i386{a} libvorbis0a:i386{a} 
libvorbisenc2:i386{a} libwrap0:i386{a} libxft2:i386{a} libxtst6:i386{a} 
openjdk-7-jre:i386{a} openjdk-7-jre-headless:i386{a} 
The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
  icedtea-7-jre-jamvm:i386 libgconf2-4:i386 libgnome2-0:i386 
libgnomevfs2-0:i386 
0 packages upgraded, 27 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 41.5 MB of archives. After unpacking 66.2 MB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libgif4 : Conflicts: libgif4:i386 but 4.1.6-10 is to be installed.
 libgif4:i386 : Conflicts: libgif4 but 4.1.6-10 is installed.

[1]me@it ~ $ sudo aptitude -s install icedtea-6-plugin:i386
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  icedtea-6-plugin:i386 icedtea-netx:i386{a} libasyncns0:i386{a} 
libatk-wrapper-java-jni:i386{a} libattr1:i386{a} libcap2:i386{a} 
libflac8:i386{a} libgif4:i386{ab} libjson-c2:i386{a} 
  libnspr4:i386{a} libnss3:i386 libnss3-1d:i386{a} libogg0:i386{a} 
libpcsclite1:i386{a} libpulse0:i386{a} libsndfile1:i386{a} libsqlite3-0:i386{a} 
libvorbis0a:i386{a} libvorbisenc2:i386{a} 
  libwrap0:i386{a} libxtst6:i386{a} openjdk-6-jre:i386{a} 
openjdk-6-jre-headless:i386{a} 
The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
  icedtea-6-jre-cacao:i386 icedtea-6-jre-jamvm:i386 
0 packages upgraded, 23 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 21.5 MB of archives. After unpacking 92.1 MB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libgif4 : Conflicts: libgif4:i386 but 4.1.6-10 is to be installed.
 libgif4:i386 : Conflicts: libgif4 but 4.1.6-10 is installed.

There seem to be 3 ways to solve my problem:

1. (easier) remove libgif4:amd64, and hope that's icedtea-*-plugin's only 
dependency conflict.
2. (problematic) wait for the maintainers to fix the conflict between 
libgif4:amd64 and libgif4:i386 .
3. (harder) fix the (seemingly nonsensical) conflict between libgif4:amd64 and 
libgif4:i386 .

Can I remove libgif4:amd64 ? Not unless I want to remove Emacs and LibreOffice 
(et al), which I don't:

me@it ~ $ sudo aptitude -s remove libgif4
The following packages will be REMOVED:  
  libgif4 
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 91.1 kB will be freed.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 libgdiplus : Depends: libgif4 (= 4.1.4) but it is

Re: solved: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???

On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 12:03:17PM -0400, Tom H wrote:

 But installing libc6:i386 and a few others allows firefox to work:

Meaning installing the :i386 versions of the libraries was (part of) the
solution, not the problem. Any bug report would have to go against a
part of the system that was part of the problem (not withstanding that
firefox was installed in a non-standard location and from a non-standard
repository). The only real candidates, given that the problem was mainly
regarding an insufficient error message about missing libraries, are ld
or the kernel. Anything further up than the linker in this scenario can
only say something went wrong, but I don't know what unless they
themselves are given more detailed information.

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Re: [multiarch] easy fix for interarchitectural package conflict?

On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 04:04:30PM -0400, Tom Roche wrote:

 summary: jessie/sid:amd64 box must install an i386 package which depends on 
 libgif4:i386, but
 
 - libgif4:i386 conflicts with libgif4:amd64
 - important apps depend on libgif4:amd64

Is this the same box that you were having the firefox trouble with? At
this point, short of getting the problem sorted properly, your best
option would be to run this stuff in a 32-bit VM.

Cheers,
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Re: [multiarch] easy fix for interarchitectural package conflict?

2014-05-04 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2014-05-04 22:04 +0200, Tom Roche wrote:

 summary: jessie/sid:amd64 box must install an i386 package which depends on 
 libgif4:i386, but

 - libgif4:i386 conflicts with libgif4:amd64

It seems you are running some derivative which ships an older version of
libgif4 than the one in jessie/sid.

 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  libgif4 : Conflicts: libgif4:i386 but 4.1.6-10 is to be installed.
  libgif4:i386 : Conflicts: libgif4 but 4.1.6-10 is installed.

Multiarch support was enabled in 4.1.6-11 back in December 2013.

Cheers,
   Sven


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Re: How to get installer to align partitions on 4096 byte boundaries?

2014-05-04 Thread Elimar Riesebieter

* Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com [2014-05-04 01:14 -0700]:

[...]
 root@bigal:~# mac-fdisk -l /dev/sda
 /dev/sda
 #type name   length   base   
 ( size )  system
 /dev/sda1 Apple_partition_map Apple  63 @ 1  
 ( 31.5k)  Partition map
 /dev/sda2 Apple_Bootstrap untitled 1954 @ 64 
 (977.0k)  NewWorld bootblock
 /dev/sda3 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 untitled   51 @ 2018   
 (244.1M)  Linux native
 /dev/sda4   Linux_LVM untitled   1953023100 @ 502019 
 (931.3G)  Unknown
 /dev/sda5  Apple_Free Extra  49 @ 1953525119 
 ( 24.5k)  Free space
 
 Block size=512, Number of Blocks=1953525168
 DeviceType=0x0, DeviceId=0x0
 
 When I say sector or logical-sector in the following I mean
 512-byte sector.  When I say physical-sector I mean 8
 logical-sectors (4096-bytes).  When I say megabyte or MiB I
 mean 1048576 bytes or 2048 logical-sectors, or 256
 physical-sectors.

What tells:
# hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep -A15 Configuration:

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Bash printf oddity; octal?

2014-05-04 Thread ~Stack~

Greetings,

I know this isn't explicitly a Debian problem, but I have seen many
really smart Bash programmers on this list so I figured this was a good
place to ask. :-)

$ bash --version
GNU bash, version 4.2.37(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
$ cat /etc/debian_version
7.5

I have a Bash script I am working on where I am getting (supposedly) a
two-digit number from the user. I handle all the logic to ensure I am
getting two digits and not 2, letters, characters, ect in a different
function. By the time I get to this code in my script, I am assuming it
is a one or two digit number. Because I need a two digit number I am
assuming that my user may have just input a single digit for the first
nine numbers without a leading zero. I am doing this in my code like:

verifiednum=`printf %02d $uservar`

This works really well when they enter only a single digit or 01-07.
However, on 08 or 09, this fails.

$ cat test.sh
#!/bin/bash -
printf %02d 07 #This Works.
echo 
printf %02d 8  #This Works.
echo 
printf %02d 08 #This doesn't.
echo 
printf %02d 9  #This Works.
echo 
printf %02d 09 #This doesn't.
echo 

$ ./test.sh
07
08
./test.sh: line 6: printf: 08: invalid octal number
00
09
./test.sh: line 10: printf: 09: invalid octal number
00

I almost want to think that this is a bug, but because it seems to be
thinking it is an octal number (which technically it is I suppose :). I
am guessing that it just doesn't like what I am doing with printf but I
am a bit baffled as to why it only croaks on 08 and 09.

1) Does anyone know what is wrong here?

2) Is there a better way of solving this issue?

Thanks!
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Re: Bash printf oddity; octal?

2014-05-04 Thread Asif Iqbal

On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:32 PM, ~Stack~ i.am.st...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings,

 I know this isn't explicitly a Debian problem, but I have seen many
 really smart Bash programmers on this list so I figured this was a good
 place to ask. :-)

 $ bash --version
 GNU bash, version 4.2.37(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
 $ cat /etc/debian_version
 7.5

 I have a Bash script I am working on where I am getting (supposedly) a
 two-digit number from the user. I handle all the logic to ensure I am
 getting two digits and not 2, letters, characters, ect in a different
 function. By the time I get to this code in my script, I am assuming it
 is a one or two digit number. Because I need a two digit number I am
 assuming that my user may have just input a single digit for the first
 nine numbers without a leading zero. I am doing this in my code like:

 verifiednum=`printf %02d $uservar`

 This works really well when they enter only a single digit or 01-07.
 However, on 08 or 09, this fails.

 $ cat test.sh
 #!/bin/bash -
 printf %02d 07 #This Works.
 echo 
 printf %02d 8  #This Works.
 echo 
 printf %02d 08 #This doesn't.
 echo 
 printf %02d 9  #This Works.
 echo 
 printf %02d 09 #This doesn't.
 echo 

 $ ./test.sh
 07
 08
 ./test.sh: line 6: printf: 08: invalid octal number
 00
 09
 ./test.sh: line 10: printf: 09: invalid octal number
 00

 I almost want to think that this is a bug, but because it seems to be
 thinking it is an octal number (which technically it is I suppose :). I
 am guessing that it just doesn't like what I am doing with printf but I
 am a bit baffled as to why it only croaks on 08 and 09.

 1) Does anyone know what is wrong here?


leading zero is interpreted as octal. You need to prepend the number
with 10# to convert it to decimal first



 2) Is there a better way of solving this issue?


so try this instead  printf %02d $(( 10#08 ))

Thanks!
 ~Stack~




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Re: Security updates are untrusted

2014-05-04 Thread Carl Johnson

Carl Johnson ca...@peak.org writes:

 Carl Johnson ca...@peak.org writes:

 On Thu 24 Apr 2014 at 14:58:52 -0700, Carl Johnson wrote:

 I was just noticing that aptitude warns that a number of packages are
 listed as untrusted.  I checked using 'apt-cache policy' and those


 I just now told aptitude to do an update, and it appears that all of
 those have disappeared now!  Maybe I had gotten a bad update the last
 time I had updated.

 Sorry for the false alarm and thanks for the reply.

 I was just checking again and the problem had returned.  This time, I
 immediately told aptitude to do an update and the untrusted warnings
 went away again.  I suspect they will come back in another day or two,
 but they don't after just exiting and restarting aptitude.

This is just a followup to say that the problem has not resumed since
then.  I suspect that means that it was something I was doing, but I
have no idea what that might have been.

Sorry for the false alarm.

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Re: Bash printf oddity; octal?

2014-05-04 Thread ~Stack~

On 05/04/2014 03:42 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote:
 On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:32 PM, ~Stack~ wrote:
[snip]
 
 verifiednum=`printf %02d $uservar`
 
 This works really well when they enter only a single digit or 01-07.
 However, on 08 or 09, this fails.
 
[snip]
 1) Does anyone know what is wrong here?
 
 leading zero is interpreted as octal. You need to prepend the number
 with 10# to convert it to decimal first

That makes sense. But why does it only fail on 08 and 09? Shouldn't it
also fail on 01-06?
 
 2) Is there a better way of solving this issue?
 
 so try this instead  printf %02d $(( 10#08 ))

Yup! That worked! Thank you very much!

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Re: Bash printf oddity; octal?

2014-05-04 Thread Asif Iqbal

On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:54 PM, ~Stack~ i.am.st...@gmail.com wrote:

 That makes sense. But why does it only fail on 08 and 09? Shouldn't it
 also fail on 01-06?



Isn't that obvious? Unless in your world, octal 6 is different than decimal
6 :-)

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Re: Bash printf oddity; octal?

2014-05-04 Thread ~Stack~

On 05/04/2014 03:57 PM, Asif Iqbal wrote:
 On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:54 PM, ~Stack~ i.am.st...@gmail.com
 mailto:i.am.st...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That makes sense. But why does it only fail on 08 and 09? Shouldn't it
 also fail on 01-06?
 
 Isn't that obvious? Unless in your world, octal 6 is different than
 decimal 6 :-)

Oh duh. Yes. Yes it is obvious.

:-[ I was so focused on this one tiny little error causing so many
problems that I didn't actually stop and think about the problem as a
whole. Derp.

Thanks for the help, insight, and the laugh-out-loud-duh-moment. :-)

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Re: [multiarch] easy fix for interarchitectural package conflict?

2014-05-04 Thread Tom Roche


https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00291.html [Tom Roche Sun, 04 
May 2014 16:04:30 -0400]
 me@it ~ $ inxi -r
 Repos: Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
Active apt sources in file: 
 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/ testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main 
 contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main 
 non-free
deb http://extra.linuxmint.com debian main

 me@it ~ $ sudo aptitude -s install icedtea-7-plugin:i386
...
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  libgif4 : Conflicts: libgif4:i386 but 4.1.6-10 is to be installed.
  libgif4:i386 : Conflicts: libgif4 but 4.1.6-10 is installed.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00294.html [Sven Joachim Sun, 
04 May 2014 22:21:45 +0200]
 [you have an] older version of libgif4 than the one in jessie/sid[,
 since] Multiarch support was enabled in 4.1.6-11 back in December 2013.

So how to get a multiarch version of libgif4? My guess is, the sequence

1. add a repository
2. update packages
3. update package=libgif4:i386
4. install package=icedtea-7-plugin:i386
5. remove repository

... is that correct? If so, which repo to add? My guess is

deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free

No?

TIA, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com


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Re: solved: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:07 AM, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote:

 On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 12:03:17PM -0400, Tom H wrote:

  But installing libc6:i386 and a few others allows firefox to work:

 Meaning installing the :i386 versions of the libraries was (part of) the
 solution, not the problem. Any bug report would have to go against a
 part of the system that was part of the problem (not withstanding that
 firefox was installed in a non-standard location and from a non-standard
 repository). The only real candidates, given that the problem was mainly
 regarding an insufficient error message about missing libraries, are ld
 or the kernel. Anything further up than the linker in this scenario can
 only say something went wrong, but I don't know what unless they
 themselves are given more detailed information.


Well, okay, we need to start somewhere, and, while we suspect ld, we don't
really know for sure. And we suspect that the actual fix may not end up
being in ld.

So, what is the name of the package that is trying to load libc6:i386? That
probably isn't where the bug is, but it seems to be the cause of the bug.

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Re: [multiarch] easy fix for interarchitectural package conflict?

On Sun, 04 May 2014 17:10:28 -0400
Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com wrote:

 
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00291.html [Tom Roche
 Sun, 04 May 2014 16:04:30 -0400]
  me@it ~ $ inxi -r
  Repos: Active apt sources in
  file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list deb
  http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main Active apt
  sources in
  file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
  deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian main upstream import deb
  http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/ testing main contrib non-free
  deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates
  main contrib non-free deb
  http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main
  non-free deb http://extra.linuxmint.com debian main
 
  me@it ~ $ sudo aptitude -s install icedtea-7-plugin:i386
 ...
  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   libgif4 : Conflicts: libgif4:i386 but 4.1.6-10 is to be installed.
   libgif4:i386 : Conflicts: libgif4 but 4.1.6-10 is installed.
 
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00294.html [Sven
 Joachim Sun, 04 May 2014 22:21:45 +0200]
  [you have an] older version of libgif4 than the one in jessie/sid[,
  since] Multiarch support was enabled in 4.1.6-11 back in December
  2013.
 
 So how to get a multiarch version of libgif4? My guess is, the
 sequence
 
 1. add a repository
 2. update packages
 3. update package=libgif4:i386
 4. install package=icedtea-7-plugin:i386
 5. remove repository
 
 ... is that correct? If so, which repo to add? My guess is
 
 deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
 
 No?
 
 TIA, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com
 
 


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Re: [multiarch] easy fix for interarchitectural package conflict?

On Sun, 04 May 2014 17:10:28 -0400
Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com wrote:


 ... is that correct? If so, which repo to add? My guess is
 
 deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
 
 No?
 
 TIA, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com
 
 

At this point, you should install the non-standard browser in a virtual
machine with a 32 bit version of debian stable.

When it's installed, create a script with that uses ssh X forwarding
with (ssh -X) to transparently run it on the desktop of
your host system.


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Re: Chromium not installable on Testing

2014-05-04 Thread Carl Fink

On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 06:10:02PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

 According to http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/chromium-browser.html a new 
 version of chromium depending on libudev1 got uploaded on 2014-05-03.

I've installed it (once I fixed up apt-pinning, which I hadn't bothered to
do before on this box) and it works great. Thanks.
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Re: [multiarch] easy fix for interarchitectural package conflict?

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com wrote:


 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00291.html [Tom Roche
 Sun, 04 May 2014 16:04:30 -0400]
  me@it ~ $ inxi -r
  Repos: Active apt sources in file:
 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
 deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
 Active apt sources in file:
 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
 deb http://packages.linuxmint.com debian main upstream import
 deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/ testing main contrib
 non-free
 deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates
 main contrib non-free
 deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main
 non-free
 deb http://extra.linuxmint.com debian main

  me@it ~ $ sudo aptitude -s install icedtea-7-plugin:i386
 ...
  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   libgif4 : Conflicts: libgif4:i386 but 4.1.6-10 is to be installed.
   libgif4:i386 : Conflicts: libgif4 but 4.1.6-10 is installed.

 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/05/msg00294.html [Sven Joachim
 Sun, 04 May 2014 22:21:45 +0200]
  [you have an] older version of libgif4 than the one in jessie/sid[,
  since] Multiarch support was enabled in 4.1.6-11 back in December 2013.

 So how to get a multiarch version of libgif4? My guess is, the sequence

 1. add a repository
 2. update packages
 3. update package=libgif4:i386
 4. install package=icedtea-7-plugin:i386
 5. remove repository

 ... is that correct? If so, which repo to add? My guess is

 deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free

 No?

 TIA, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com


If you really have the time to keep diddling with things that are, really,
counter to the direction the developers are headed, try it and see.

But you keep saying you want to get back to your paying job.

I know the thrill of the hunt, and I myself tend to live outside the
mainstream far too much, but you really need to ask yourself why you are
avoiding using a vm to run the 32-bit stuff.

Sure, you need to check whether your 64-bit cpu/chipset/motherboard will
support the vm approach of your choice, and check your free RAM and HD and
such, and you're faced with a separate install of a fairly full 32-bit
system that will run in the vm, and you have the question of whether to
start with wheezy or squeeze (or the current stable mint?) in the vm, etc.
But it will leave you with a more stable solution.

And it will be easier to work with the knuckle-headed sysadmins at work
when they finally give in and decide the security issues require them to
update their VPN infrastructure.

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Re: Chromium not installable on Testing

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Du, 04 mai 14, 10:17:51, Carl Fink wrote:
 
  A bit of investigation found that libudev0 is also not available in
  unstable. I figured this would be fixed quickly and was part of the
 natural
  growing pains of the Testing distro ... but it has been a while and
 hasn't
  changed.

 According to http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/chromium-browser.html a new
 version of chromium depending on libudev1 got uploaded on 2014-05-03.


Would this be the reason apt-get told me

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Re: How to get installer to align partitions on 4096 byte boundaries?

2014-05-04 Thread Rick Thomas


On May 4, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Elimar Riesebieter riese...@lxtec.de wrote:

 * Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com [2014-05-04 01:14 -0700]:
 
 [...]
 root@bigal:~# mac-fdisk -l /dev/sda
 /dev/sda
#type name   length   base   
 ( size )  system
 /dev/sda1 Apple_partition_map Apple  63 @ 1  
 ( 31.5k)  Partition map
 /dev/sda2 Apple_Bootstrap untitled 1954 @ 64 
 (977.0k)  NewWorld bootblock
 /dev/sda3 Apple_UNIX_SVR2 untitled   51 @ 2018   
 (244.1M)  Linux native
 /dev/sda4   Linux_LVM untitled   1953023100 @ 502019 
 (931.3G)  Unknown
 /dev/sda5  Apple_Free Extra  49 @ 1953525119 
 ( 24.5k)  Free space
 
 Block size=512, Number of Blocks=1953525168
 DeviceType=0x0, DeviceId=0x0
 
 When I say sector or logical-sector in the following I mean
 512-byte sector.  When I say physical-sector I mean 8
 logical-sectors (4096-bytes).  When I say megabyte or MiB I
 mean 1048576 bytes or 2048 logical-sectors, or 256
 physical-sectors.
 
 What tells:
 # hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep -A15 Configuration:

Thanks Elimar!  Here's what it says:

   root@bigal:~# hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep -A15 Configuration:
   Configuration:
Logical max current
cylinders   16383   16383
heads   16  16
sectors/track   63  63
--
CHS current addressable sectors:   16514064
LBAuser addressable sectors:  268435455
LBA48  user addressable sectors: 1953525168
Logical  Sector size:   512 bytes
Physical Sector size:  4096 bytes
Logical Sector-0 offset:  0 bytes
device size with M = 1024*1024:  953869 MBytes
device size with M = 1000*1000: 1000204 MBytes (1000 GB)
cache/buffer size  = unknown
Form Factor: 3.5 inch
   
The disk itself is one of the new Seagate hybrid disks, with 8GB of flash and 
1TB of Advanced Format spinning iron oxide.

Has anyone tried this with the Wheezy for x86 or amd64?  I'm wondering if it's 
a bug resulting from something having to do with PowerPC, or more general than 
that...

Thanks!

Rick

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Re: solved: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 6:44 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 5:07 AM, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote:

 On Sun, May 04, 2014 at 12:03:17PM -0400, Tom H wrote:

  But installing libc6:i386 and a few others allows firefox to work:

 Meaning installing the :i386 versions of the libraries was (part of) the
 solution, not the problem. Any bug report would have to go against a
 part of the system that was part of the problem (not withstanding that
 firefox was installed in a non-standard location and from a non-standard
 repository). The only real candidates, given that the problem was mainly
 regarding an insufficient error message about missing libraries, are ld
 or the kernel. Anything further up than the linker in this scenario can
 only say something went wrong, but I don't know what unless they
 themselves are given more detailed information.


 Well, okay, we need to start somewhere, and, while we suspect ld, we don't
 really know for sure. And we suspect that the actual fix may not end up
 being in ld.

 So, what is the name of the package that is trying to load libc6:i386?
 That probably isn't where the bug is, but it seems to be the cause of the
 bug.


Well, I mean, it seems to be what exposes the bug.

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Re: How to get installer to align partitions on 4096 byte boundaries?

On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:53 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote:


 On May 4, 2014, at 1:24 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Rick Thomas rbtho...@pobox.com wrote:
  [...]
 
  So I ask again: Aside from doing the partitioning manually, myself, is
 there any way to get the installer's partitioner to respect the new
 guidelines for Advanced Format and SSD/flash disks?
 
  Have you tried not using a Macintosh partition map -- using a DOS/BIOS
 partition map instead? Then you should be able to use the more normal
 partitioning tools.
 
  Or, kind of the reverse, have you tried partitioning it with the Mac OS
 installer's disk utility? Or pdisk?

 Hi Joel,

 Thanks for the suggestions.  Unfortunately, I don't think they would
 work...

 It's the boot disk for a Mac. It *has* to have a Macintosh partition map.
  A DOS partition map would not be understood by the Mac firmware,


It's been a while since I had time to mess with ppc. (Not enough working
displays in the house, and dyndns is no longer free, so the old ppc mini is
sleeping right now.) But my memory is that you can, in fact, use DOS
partition formats on some of the ppc hardware produced towards the
end-of-line period. If that's something you want to think about.

Really wish Jobs had been more willing to try carrying the PPC line in
parallel with the intel line. I'm sure his plans to switch again to ARM had
something to do with things, ...


 And anyway, the object of the exercise is to use the default installer for
 PowerPC Macs, not to force it manually, as would be the case with your
 second suggestion.


To what purpose?

Anyway, you do know about the manual options.

One more thought, it was not so long ago that the entire idea of trying to
fight with a hard disks internal idea of the physical layout of the
partitions was considered counterproductive. Are you then, primarily,
focused on less-intelligent controllers for bulk flash persistent store? If
so, I'm thinking that we need a feature request for the partitioning tools.

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Look first in your own heart.

Re: solved: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???

On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 06:44:30AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:

 Well, okay, we need to start somewhere, and, while we suspect ld, we don't
 really know for sure. And we suspect that the actual fix may not end up
 being in ld.
 
 So, what is the name of the package that is trying to load libc6:i386? That
 probably isn't where the bug is, but it seems to be the cause of the bug.

Well, in this case, Firefox was looking to link in some 32-bit
libraries, but those libraries weren't installed, not even a 32-bit
linker.

The problem was required libraries not being installed, the symptom was
a generic file not found error which led to all the confusion at the
start of the thread.

The reason the libraries weren't installed was that Firefox was
installed from some external source without the user ensuring the
relevant libraries were available to the application. Debian can't be
held accountable for that.

If the 32-bit Firefox had been able to talk to the 64-bit linker (I'm
not sure that's even possible), then it would be up to the linker to
return a more meaningful error than file not found, at least tell us
which library or which function was being requested, and so a bug could
be reported against libc6 either generically or :amd64 (to be passed
upstream).

Otherwise there is no bug to be reported against Debian. I'm at best
vague on what happens if an application can't find a linker to pull in
requested libraries. Should the bug be reported against Firefox? It's an
old version, are more recent versions more precise in their error
messages in this kind of situation?

Cheers,
Tom

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hair stylist or my failure to refer five TEENAGERS to a good OCULIST?


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Faster instantiation of xfce4-appfinder

2014-05-04 Thread Steve Litt

Hi all,

This happened on Ubuntu 14.04, so I don't know how applicable it is to
Debian, but in case you encounter it, try to remember this...

For years I've used xfce4-appfinder, hotkeyed to Ctrl+Shift+; to run
many of my apps. Easy, quick, requires little (human) memory, reduces
keystrokes.

But after installing Ubuntu 14.04 with Xfce on a laptop, it started
taking upwards of 3 seconds to run xfce4-appfinder, completely negating
its value. This is something I never saw before.

So to fix the problem, I changed what the hotkey ran by adding
--disable-server to the command. Now it comes up

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


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Re: solved: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk wrote:

 On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 06:44:30AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:

  Well, okay, we need to start somewhere, and, while we suspect ld, we
 don't
  really know for sure. And we suspect that the actual fix may not end up
  being in ld.
 
  So, what is the name of the package that is trying to load libc6:i386?
 That
  probably isn't where the bug is, but it seems to be the cause of the bug.

 Well, in this case, Firefox was looking to link in some 32-bit
 libraries, but those libraries weren't installed, not even a 32-bit
 linker.

 The problem was required libraries not being installed, the symptom was
 a generic file not found error which led to all the confusion at the
 start of the thread.

 The reason the libraries weren't installed was that Firefox was
 installed from some external source without the user ensuring the
 relevant libraries were available to the application. Debian can't be
 held accountable for that.

 If the 32-bit Firefox had been able to talk to the 64-bit linker (I'm
 not sure that's even possible), then it would be up to the linker to
 return a more meaningful error than file not found, at least tell us
 which library or which function was being requested, and so a bug could
 be reported against libc6 either generically or :amd64 (to be passed
 upstream).

 Otherwise there is no bug to be reported against Debian. I'm at best
 vague on what happens if an application can't find a linker to pull in
 requested libraries. Should the bug be reported against Firefox? It's an
 old version, are more recent versions more precise in their error
 messages in this kind of situation?

 Cheers,
 Tom


Precisely.

Although, if we wanted to get really crazy, we could say this is a bug in
the spec of ld. But if we go there, we have to acknowledge that the spec of
ld matches the general C/*nix run-time spec, so the bug is in ... (chasing
our semantic tail a bit) ... certain implementation-dependent, but de-facto
spec, low-level elements of the C run-time which make it hard to return
non-scalar error messages from low-level tools.

(I know that sounds like a string of buzz-words, but making it any simpler
just ends up as a pejorative reference to the 8086's lack of extra address
registers. :-\ )

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Be careful where you see conspiracy.
Look first in your own heart.

Re: hdparm -t yields incorrect timings when Intel hyperthreading is enabled

2014-05-04 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh

On Sun, 04 May 2014, Paul Ausbeck wrote:
 when I build a new system. Recently I built a system based upon the
 Intel Atom dn2800mt motherboard. When I went to vet disk bandwidth,

Please, can you give us the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo ?

 I obtained unexpectedly slow readings from hdparm. I found that if I
 disable hyperthreading in the bios, bandwidth readings are as
 expected. I believe the numbers reported by hdparm are incorrect

Did you update to the latest available BIOS for your motherboard ?

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: solved: `ls` shows file, `bash` says No such file ???