date:20140715

El Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:08:06 -0700, Aristobulo Pinzon escribió:

 Saludo Señores de la lista.
 Haciendo la actualización con  aptitude upgrade me sale:
 
 Preconfigurando paquetes ...
 dpkg: aviso: `ldconfig' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es
 ejecutable 

(...)

Si preguntas a Google (en inglés) tienes varias respuestas:

dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable.
https://www.google.es/search?q=dpkg%3A+warning%3A+%27ldconfig%27+not+found+in+PATH+or+not+executable.ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-achannel=rcsgfe_rd=crei=TifFU-GNF4bT8geAr4C4Cw

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Re: Sobre NTP (Network Time Protocol - Protocolo de tiempo de red)

El Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:08:23 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió:

 El 14/07/14 a las #4, Eduardo Rios escribió:

 
 Si lo he entendido bien para estaciones de trabajo, como mi portátil,
 conviene instalar el paquete ntpdate, (ya que el sistema se
 reinicia/apaga bastante a menudo), y no ntp, ya que es para servidores
 ¿no?, sin embargo, ntp es el paquete que instaló Debian durante el
   ^^^
 proceso de instalación, (...)
 
 
 Escribo para aclarar, que Debian por si sólo no instala ninguno de los 
 dos paquetes. Ni ntp ni ntpdate.

Bueno, eso depende del tipo de instalación que hagas.

 Acabo de darme cuenta en un equipo que tengo instalado con Debian 
 estable 7.6, pero que en el momento de la instalación la hice sin 
 entorno gráfico, y luego yo instalé LXDE.

Exacto. Cuando haces una instalación mínima no se instala ninguno de los 
dos, me pasó lo mismo.

 En el equipo que si tengo instalado ntp, ya no sé si es que lo 
 instalaría automáticamente el instalador por coger entorno gráfico 
 gnome, u otro motivo, pero manualmente yo, seguro que no.

Bueno, aunque no es fiable al 100% puedes preguntar a dpkg qué paquetes 
dependen (sugerencias y recomendaciones incluidas) de ntp/ntpdate:

sm01@stt008:~$ apt-cache rdepends ntp ntpdate
ntp
Reverse Depends:
  tucnak2
  radioclk
  predict-gsat
  predict
  openntpd
  openntpd
  netsniff-ng
  jffnms
 |ircd-ratbox
  hobbit-plugins
 |gnumed-client
  gnome-system-tools
  fake-hwclock
  dovecot-core
  education-main-server
  dancer-ircd
 |aiccu
 |openafs-fileserver
  dovecot-core
  chrony
ntpdate
Reverse Depends:
  tucnak2
  ltsp-client-core
  ltsp-client
  gnumed-client
 |aiccu
  adjtimex

Como ves no son muchos.

 Ahora si se lo acabo de instalar al otro equipo :)

Si es que realmente no debería ser necesario la sincronización de la hora 
salvo que se esté ejecutando alguna aplicación que requiera precisión 
milimétrica. Estoy segura de que dejando el equipo un año sin 
sincronización horaria el desfase al que puede llegar no supera ni los 5 
minutos.

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Re: Debian y dual boot con Windows 8

El Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:56:56 +0200, Eduardo Rios escribió:

 El 14/07/14 a las #4, Camaleón escribió:
 El Mon, 14 Jul 2014 01:11:40 -0500, J. Alejandro Ramírez Piña escribió:

(...)

 Básicamente no tuve problemas salvo que en la primera instalación que
 realice deje que Debian dimensionara las particiones y la partición de
 para uefi la creo muy pequeña y no cabían los datos del secure boot,

 ¿Puedes dar más detalles sobre eso de que los datos de SecureBoot no
 cabían? No había oído nunca nada semejante :-)

 así que tuve que redimensionarla a 200 Mb

 La recomendación que he visto para la partición del sistema EFI
 (independientemente de si está activado o no SecureBoot) es de mínimo
 100 MiB. y máx. 200 MiB.
 
 En un portátil Asus, con sistema UEFI, que originalmente venía con
 Ubuntu (por lo que me libré del SecureBoot), instalé Windows 8.1 y
 después Debian. Todo en sistema de disco GPT y UEFI claro.
 
 A Windows le dejé hacer, así que me creó 3 particiones para él. 

Buf, qué peligro.  A Windows *nunca* hay que dejarle hacer :-)

 Las comento de memoria puesto que no tengo el portátil a mano ahora,
 pero creo que son así:
 
 /dev/sda1 - 300 MB Recuperación (Así la llama Windows)
 /dev/sda2 - 99 MB - Creo que es partición del sistema (ficheros de
 arranque de Windows)
 /dev/sda3- 128 MB - No recuerdo como la llama Windows, pero creo que
 es la partición EFI.
 /dev/sda4 - 154 GB - Esta es la partición donde está instalado Windows
 y los programas...

Pues no sé para qué tantas particiones. Yo suelo tirar siempre por las 
menos posibles, una para el sistema y otra para datos y a correr. En caso 
de haber UEFI tendría que añadir una más pero lo haría muy a desgana.

 Después, al instalar Debian, existen estas particiones:
 
 /dev/sda5 - 1 MB - BIOS-grub 
 /dev/sda6 - 139 GB - Partición / de Debian 
 /dev/sda7 - 4 GB - Partición swap
 
 Creo que no me he dejado ninguna... :-P

(...)

¿1 MiB para UEFI? Me parece exageradamente poco.

 Sugerencia: poner windows 7, desactivar secure boot e instalar debian
 wheezy :-)

 Solo si tu garantía ya termino ...

 ¿A qué te refieres, a la garantía del equipo? Eso daría igual porque no
 interfiere para nada. Tú haces una imagen del sistema operativo que
 trae el ordenador de fábrica y en el caso de que te exijan esa versión
 de windows concreate para una reparación, la cargas de nuevo y listo.
 
 Cuando compré el equipo Asus, antes de tocarlo, lo primero que hice fue
 llamar al servicio técnico y preguntarles si perdía la garantía por
 cambiar el software. Les dije que iba a cambiar Ubuntu por Debian.

Hombre, en tu caso llevaba Ubuntu de serie, el problema viene cuando el 
equipo lleva la pegatina esa de Designed for Windows.

 La respuesta fue que no perdía la garantía. Que en caso de llevarlo al
 servicio técnico, comprobarían si la avería estaba producida por el
 cambio de software, es decir, que lo que podría pasar es que volvieran
 a instalarle el sistema operativo original (Ubuntu), perdiendo mi
 sistema Debian y todos mis datos, y si la falla seguía produciéndose,
 estaría cubierto por la garantía, ya que se trataría de fallo hardware.
 
 Si al ponerle de nuevo Ubuntu el problema desparecía, no lo cubriría la
 garantía...

Pues un +1 para el SAT de Asus, muy pocos actúan así aunque tampoco hay 
que fiarse de lo que te dicen (las palabras se las lleva el viento), 
conviene hacer una imagen del sistema tal y como viene de fábrica y luego 
ya puedes estar tranquilo.

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Re: Evitar apagado de pantalla viendo película

El Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:58:02 -0500, Germán Avendaño Ramírez escribió:

 Hola comunidad
 
 Tengo instalado Debian Wheezy, en una laptop Toshiba satellite m645 con
 una instalación mínima desde netinstall, a la cual le agregué
 gnome-session-fallback, porque no quería tener el entorno gnome-shell
 completo. Ahora bien, al intentar ver una película conectando mi
 portátil al tv por medio de hdmi, se apaga la pantalla y entonces debo
 estar pendiente de mover el puntero, lo cual es bien molesto.

Algunos reproductores (p. ej., VLC) tienen esta opción para evitar que 
bien el salvapantallas o bien la configuración de energía se active 
cuando están reproduciendo vídeo.

Otra opción, si el reproductor no admite esta funcionalidad, es 
desactivado manualmente desde las opciones de configuración del entorno 
gráfico o usando la línea de comandos (xset).

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Re: Arrancar debian sin grub

El Mon, 14 Jul 2014 16:02:26 -0700, radikal escribió:

Si respondes a un mensaje del año 2007 (!), qué menos que mantener el 
texto del correo original, recuerda que no todo el mundo tiene acceso a 
Internet.

 Realmente sí que se puede arrancar un linux sin tener un gestor de
 arranque instalado. 

(...)

El quid está en instalado porque sin un gestor de arranque no se puede, 
siempre y cuando hablemos de un sistema con BIOS. Con UEFI creo que sí 
sería posible prescindir del cargador de arranque.

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Re: postfix y buzones externos

El Tue, 15 Jul 2014 08:25:30 -0400, Ariel Alvarez escribió:

(Has secuestrado un hilo, abro uno nuevo)

 hola lista, quizas la pregunta que haga sea algo disparatada, pero ahi
 va, existe alguna posibilidad de tener un servidor de correos
 posfix+dovecot y otro servidor de correo el cual contenga los
 directorios Maildir referente a este postfix???, me explico mejor, se
 trata de un servidor el cual tiene instalado postfix+dovecot y este debe
 encuestar a otro servidor el cual va a tener alojados los usuarios con
 sus respectivos buzones, eso es posible???

Sí, ¿por qué no? Sólo tendrías que decirle a Postfix dónde tiene que 
enviar los mensajes (relayhost, transport). A Postfix sólo le interesa 
saber qué hacer/dónde enviar/cómo enrutar los mensajes, la gestión de los 
usuarios la lleva el servidor de correo entrante (pop3/imap).

 ah se que se puede hacer mediante dos servidores de correo uno que haga
 de relay y otro que contnga las cuentas de usuarios con sus buzones y un
 festchmail por ejemplo, pero no es la idea.

Usar fetchmail es otra opción pero puede hacerlo directamente.

Consulta documentación VIRTUAL_README/Mail forwarding domains.

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Intel HD4400 en Debian Wheezy

2014-07-15 Thread C. L. Martinez

Buenas,

 ¿A alguien le funciona la tarjeta gráfica Intel HD4400 con Debian
7.x? No parece que los drivers intel out of the box que proporciona
wheezy funcionen:

X.Org X Server 1.12.4
Release Date: 2012-08-27
[ 55.990] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[ 55.990] Build Operating System: Linux 3.11-2-amd64 x86_64 Debian
[ 55.990] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz.gz
root=/dev/mapper/sysvol-rootvol ro ipv6.disable=1 quiet
[ 55.990] Build Date: 17 December 2013 07:37:58PM
[ 55.990] xorg-server 2:1.12.4-6+deb7u2 (Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org)
[ 55.990] Current version of pixman: 0.26.0
[ 55.990] Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
to make sure that you have the latest version.
[ 55.990] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[ 55.991] (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Tue Jul 15 10:52:54 2014
[ 56.009] (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[ 56.009] (==) Using system config directory /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
[ 56.080] (==) No Layout section. Using the first Screen section.
[ 56.080] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults.
[ 56.080] (**) |--Screen Default Screen Section (0)
[ 56.080] (**) | |--Monitor default monitor
[ 56.081] (==) No device specified for screen Default Screen Section.
Using the first device section listed.
[ 56.081] (**) | |--Device Intel Graphics
[ 56.081] (==) No monitor specified for screen Default Screen Section.
Using a default monitor configuration.
[ 56.081] (==) Automatically adding devices
[ 56.081] (==) Automatically enabling devices
[ 56.105] (WW) The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist.
[ 56.105] Entry deleted from font path.
[ 56.110] (WW) The directory
/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType does not exist.
[ 56.110] Entry deleted from font path.
[ 56.110] (==) FontPath set to:
/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,
/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,
built-ins
[ 56.110] (==) ModulePath set to /usr/lib/xorg/modules
[ 56.110] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
[ 56.110] (II) Loader magic: 0x7faabd153ae0
[ 56.110] (II) Module ABI versions:
[ 56.110] X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
[ 56.110] X.Org Video Driver: 12.1
[ 56.110] X.Org XInput driver : 16.0
[ 56.110] X.Org Server Extension : 6.0
[ 56.111] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:0a16:1025:0775 rev 9, Mem @
0xb000/4194304, 0xa000/268435456, I/O @ 0x3000/64
[ 56.111] (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
[ 56.111] (II) LoadModule: extmod
[ 56.113] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
[ 56.132] (II) Module extmod: vendor=X.Org Foundation
[ 56.132] compiled for 1.12.4, module version = 1.0.0
[ 56.132] Module class: X.Org Server Extension
[ 56.132] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
[ 56.132] (II) Loading extension SELinux
[ 56.132] (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[ 56.132] (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
[ 56.132] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
[ 56.132] (II) Loading extension DPMS
[ 56.132] (II) Loading extension XVideo
[ 56.132] (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
[ 56.132] (II) Loading extension X-Resource
[ 56.132] (II) LoadModule: dbe
[ 56.132] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdbe.so
[ 56.133] (II) Module dbe: vendor=X.Org Foundation
[ 56.133] compiled for 1.12.4, module version = 1.0.0
[ 56.133] Module class: X.Org Server Extension
[ 56.133] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
[ 56.133] (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
[ 56.133] (II) LoadModule: glx
[ 56.133] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[ 56.153] (II) Module glx: vendor=X.Org Foundation
[ 56.153] compiled for 1.12.4, module version = 1.0.0
[ 56.153] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
[ 56.153] (==) AIGLX enabled
[ 56.153] (II) Loading extension GLX
[ 56.153] (II) LoadModule: record
[ 56.153] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
[ 56.154] (II) Module record: vendor=X.Org Foundation
[ 56.154] compiled for 1.12.4, module version = 1.13.0
[ 56.154] Module class: X.Org Server Extension
[ 56.154] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
[ 56.154] (II) Loading extension RECORD
[ 56.154] (II) LoadModule: dri
[ 56.154] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
[ 56.173] (II) Module dri: vendor=X.Org Foundation
[ 56.173] compiled for 1.12.4, module version = 1.0.0
[ 56.173] ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 6.0
[ 56.173] (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
[ 56.173] (II) LoadModule: dri2
[ 56.173] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri2.so
[ 56.174] (II) Module dri2: vendor=X.Org Foundation
[ 56.174] compiled for 1.12.4,

Re: postfix y buzones externos

2014-07-15 Thread jors

On 15 de julio de 2014 14:25:30 CEST, Ariel Alvarez ar...@cncc.cult.cu wrote:
hola lista, quizas la pregunta que haga sea algo disparatada, pero ahi
va,
existe alguna posibilidad de tener un servidor de correos
posfix+dovecot y
otro servidor de correo el cual contenga los directorios Maildir
referente
a este postfix???, me explico mejor, se trata de un servidor el cual
tiene
instalado postfix+dovecot y este debe encuestar a otro servidor el cual
va
a tener alojados los usuarios con sus respectivos buzones, eso es
posible???
ah se que se puede hacer mediante dos servidores de correo uno que haga
de
relay y otro que contnga las cuentas de usuarios con sus buzones y un
festchmail por ejemplo, pero no es la idea.

gracias de antemano por su ayuda o ideas.


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No lo he probado, pero parece que con LTMP:

http://www.iredmail.org/forum/topic5482-iredmail-support-postfix-and-dovecot-on-different-server.html


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Re: Intel HD4400 en Debian Wheezy

El Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:32:55 +, C. L. Martinez escribió:

 Buenas,
 
  ¿A alguien le funciona la tarjeta gráfica Intel HD4400 con Debian
 7.x? No parece que los drivers intel out of the box que proporciona
 wheezy funcionen:

¿Bumblebee? :-?

 [ 56.231] (EE) No devices detected.
 [ 56.231] Fatal server error:
 [ 56.231] no screens found [ 56.231]

(...)

 root@debian:~# lspci 
(...)
 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated 
 Graphics Controller (rev 09)

(...)

Pues no parece que haya una segunda tarjeta, sólo la Intel :-?

 Obviamente, con el driver vesa se ve ... pero nada del otro mundo.
 Intel publica los drivers+server.xorg+no_se_cuantas_cosas_mas para
 Ubuntu y Fedora (que ya manda webs).
 
  El listado de bugs de este driver parece importante, pero ...
 
  ¿A alguien le funciona?

En Google tienes info:

https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=engws_rd=ssl#complete=0hl=enq=hd4400+wheezy+%28EE%29+No+devices+detected.

Tip: prueba el kernel de los backports (3.15).

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Re: Debian y dual boot con Windows 8

2014-07-15 Thread Eduardo Rios


El 15/07/14 a las #4, Camaleón escribió:


A Windows le dejé hacer, así que me creó 3 particiones para él.


Buf, qué peligro.  A Windows *nunca* hay que dejarle hacer :-)


Bueno... Hasta ahora ha sido bueno conmigo... jaja

Vale, al instalador y particionador de disco de Debian también le dejé 
hacer... :-P




¿1 MiB para UEFI? Me parece exageradamente poco.


No, la de 1 MB es la que Debian llamó bios_grub, y la puso directamente 
el particionador de disco de Debian (en modo guiado)


Las particiones reales que tengo en el disco, son estas:


Number  Start (sector)End (sector)  Size   Code  Name
   12048  616447   300.0 MiB   2700  Basic data 
partition
   2  616448  819199   99.0 MiBEF00  EFI system 
partition
   3  819200 1081343   128.0 MiB   0C01  Microsoft 
reserved part
   4 1081344   325314559   154.6 GiB   0700  Basic data 
partition

   5   325314560   325316607   1024.0 KiB  EF02
   6   325316608   617222143   139.2 GiB   0700
   7   617222144   625141759   3.8 GiB 8200



Pues un +1 para el SAT de Asus, muy pocos actúan así aunque tampoco hay
que fiarse de lo que te dicen (las palabras se las lleva el viento),
conviene hacer una imagen del sistema tal y como viene de fábrica y luego
ya puedes estar tranquilo.


Bueno, eso no lo dije, pero también lo tengo. Una imagen de disco de 
antes de empezar a meterle mano... Una con clonezilla y otra con Acronis 
True Image. Más vale prevenir, que lamentar :-D



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renombrar las eth

2014-07-15 Thread luis


Buenos días a todos

Tengo una gran duda con mi firewall cambié el hardware y con tarjetas 
de red nueva pero con el mismo disco duro por ende me arranca bien 
el sistema pero me cambia los nombres de las eth yo tenía eth0 eth1 y 
eth2 y ahora es eth3 eth4 y eth5


Mi pregunta es se pueden renombrar las eth y donde ??? e window$ se 
como hacerlo pero acá no


Alguna idea


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Re: Evitar apagado de pantalla viendo película

2014-07-15 Thread Alberto Vicat



El 14/07/14 19:35, Germán Avendaño Ramírez escribió:

El 14/07/14 17:33, Manolo Díaz escribió:

El martes, 15 jul 2014 a las 00:26 horas (UTC+2),
Germán Avendaño Ramírez escribió:


El 14/07/14 17:22, Manolo Díaz escribió:

No me extraña que la primera línea dé error, solo se considera éxito si
todas las órdenes finalizan correctamente, y no creo que tengas
instalados todos esos gestores de sesión X.

Si sabes cuál usas, prueba con ese. Si no, la siguiente línea se
interpreta como correcta si pude ejecutar cualquiera de las cuatro
órdenes.

/etc/init.d/gdm stop || /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop || /etc/init.d/kdm stop || 
/etc/init.d/xdm stop

Tengo gdm3. Según la wiki, esto se debe hacer en la consola root y según
creo también en las tty sin entorno gráfico. Así lo hice. ¿El camino
correcto será editando dicho archivo, o, hay otra manera de lograr mi
objetivo?


Aquí hay un ejemplo de edición del fichero de configuración para lograr
deshabilitar DPMS.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Display_Power_Management_Signaling

No obstante, creo que los reproductores multimedia logran
deshabilitarlo temporalmente, mientras están funcionando.

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Lo he intentado con vlc y con totem y con ninguno lo he logrado.

Lo mío es una PC de escritorio. Tenía ese problema con el protector de 
pantalla, aunque en VLC tenía habilitado Deshabilitar el protector de 
pantalla en pantalla completa igual se ejecutaba.
Lo solucioné creando un /etc/X11/xorg.conf (no existía en mi sistema) 
con este contenido:

--
Section ServerFlags
Option BlankTime 0
Option StandbyTime 0
Option SuspendTime 0
Option OffTime 0
EndSection
--
Santo remedio.

Saludos.


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Re: renombrar las eth

El Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:48:39 -0400, luis escribió:

 Tengo una gran duda con mi firewall cambié el hardware y con tarjetas 
 de red nueva pero con el mismo disco duro por ende me arranca bien 
 el sistema pero me cambia los nombres de las eth yo tenía eth0 eth1 y 
 eth2 y ahora es eth3 eth4 y eth5
 
 Mi pregunta es se pueden renombrar las eth y donde ??? e window$ se 
 como hacerlo pero acá no

Puedes hacerlo a través de udev, editando el archivo de configuración de 
las reglas (/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules). Reinicia el 
sistema tras la edición.

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Configurar acceso a red a traves de un proxy

2014-07-15 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia

Recien tengo por primera vez a la red de redes. Para ello debe ser a traves 
de un proxy por reglamentación. Para ello cogí una PC P4 i le monté wheezy 
con squid, todo perfecto.


En mi PC configuré el Iceweasel y el Synaptic para que salgan a través del 
proxy, todo perfecto.


Pero lo que no se como hacer para que cuando diga en consola apt-get update 
 este me resuelva las direcciones a través del proxy. Ahí no llegó mis 
conocimientos.


Que debo hacer para que apt-get se me valla a través del proxy?

Me da el siguiente error:
root@clt_iyc_03:~# apt-get update
Ign file: wheezy/updates Release.gpg
Err http://repo.mate-desktop.org wheezy Release.gpg
 No se pudo resolver «repo.mate-desktop.org»
Des:1 file: wheezy Release.gpg [1.672 B]
Des:2 file: wheezy Release.gpg [181 B]
Des:3 file: wheezy/updates Release [102 kB]
Des:4 file: wheezy Release [168 kB]
Des:5 file: wheezy Release [25,6 kB]
Ign file: wheezy Release
Ign file: wheezy/main Translation-es
Ign file: wheezy/main Translation-es_PR
Ign file: wheezy/main Translation-es
Ign file: wheezy/main Translation-en
Ign file: wheezy/non-free Translation-es_PR
Ign file: wheezy/non-free Translation-es
Ign file: wheezy/non-free Translation-en
Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
W: Error de GPG: file: wheezy Release: Las firmas siguientes no se pudieron 
verificar porque su llave pública no está disponible: NO_PUBKEY 
07DC563D1F41B907
W: Imposible obtener 
http://repo.mate-desktop.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg  No se pudo 
resolver «repo.mate-desktop.org»


W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones 
used instead.


Saludos

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Re: Configurar acceso a red a traves de un proxy

El Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:29:57 -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió:

 Recien tengo por primera vez a la red de redes. Para ello debe ser a
 traves de un proxy por reglamentación. Para ello cogí una PC P4 i le
 monté wheezy con squid, todo perfecto.

No necesitas un servidor proxy para acceder a un proxy *como cliente* :-?

 En mi PC configuré el Iceweasel y el Synaptic para que salgan a través
 del proxy, todo perfecto.
 
 Pero lo que no se como hacer para que cuando diga en consola apt-get
 update  este me resuelva las direcciones a través del proxy. Ahí no
 llegó mis conocimientos.
 
 Que debo hacer para que apt-get se me valla a través del proxy?

Editando alguno de los archivos de configuración existentes (/etc/apt/
apt.conf.d/*) o creando uno nuevo y añadiendo la variable: 

Acquire::http::Proxy http://[[usuario][:contraseña]@]máquina[:puerto]/;;

(man apt.conf)

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Re: [solucionado] Re: Evitar apagado de pantalla viendo película

2014-07-15 Thread Manolo Díaz

El martes, 15 jul 2014 a las 10:01 horas (UTC+2),
C. L. Martinez escribió:

2014-07-15 7:33 GMT+00:00 Manolo Díaz diaz.man...@gmail.com:
 El martes, 15 jul 2014 a las 08:09 horas (UTC+2),
 miguel angel gonzalez escribió:

Por otro lado
xset -dpms; xset s off
sí me funciona, pero habría que hacerlo para cada nueva sesión X.

 [...]

Buenas,
Si así te ha funcionado ina opción es añadir eso mismo al bash_profile del
usuario y que te lo mantenga siempre.

 Pero lo ideal no es tenerlo desactivado siempre, sino que el
 reproductor inhiba el gestor de energía y el salvapantallas solo cuando
 es necesario.


Pues en Debian, esa es la única forma de hacerlo: o por comandos o
incrustándolo en el archivo xorg.conf ... A mí me pasaba lo mismo en
un Microserver que tengo en casa conectado por HDMI a la TV ...

Es curioso, porque por ejemplo con ArchLinux no sucede, igual que con
LinuxMint. Esas distros sí deshabilitan el DPMS si vlc u otro
reproductor está en funcionamiento.

Saludos.

Por lo que he encontrado, vlc relega esa tarea en xdg-screensaver, y
este último tiene abierto un informe de fallo al respecto:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726413

Habrá que esperar.

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(SOLUCIONADO) Re: Configurar acceso a red a traves de un proxy

2014-07-15 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia

- Original Message - 
From: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com

To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: Configurar acceso a red a traves de un proxy

El Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:29:57 -0400, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió:

Recien tengo por primera vez a la red de redes. Para ello debe ser a
traves de un proxy por reglamentación. Para ello cogí una PC P4 i le
monté wheezy con squid, todo perfecto.

No necesitas un servidor proxy para acceder a un proxy *como cliente* :-?

Me exigen tener un proxy por el cual van a salir los compañeros autorizados 
a navegar, incluyendome a mi. Con un ancho de banda bien pequeño y con 
inestabilidad en la conexión, pero como se dice aquí, aunque sea del lobo un 
pelo.

También vivo en un pueblucho donde la tecnología instalada no permite un 
ancho de vanda superior a los 256 kb/s, pero incluso por ahora tenemos solo 
128 kb/s de conexión con 12.xx kb/s de descarga como máximo.

En mi PC configuré el Iceweasel y el Synaptic para que salgan a través
del proxy, todo perfecto.

Pero lo que no se como hacer para que cuando diga en consola apt-get
update  este me resuelva las direcciones a través del proxy. Ahí no
llegó mis conocimientos.

Que debo hacer para que apt-get se me valla a través del proxy?

Editando alguno de los archivos de configuración existentes (/etc/apt/
apt.conf.d/*) o creando uno nuevo y añadiendo la variable:

Acquire::http::Proxy http://[[usuario][:contraseña]@]máquina[:puerto]/;;

(man apt.conf)

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Perfecto.

1 millón de gracias

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Re: Debian y dual boot con Windows 8

2014-07-15 Thread alraparam


El 14/07/14 08:42, Camaleón escribió:

El Mon, 14 Jul 2014 01:11:40 -0500, J. Alejandro Ramírez Piña escribió:


El 11/07/14 12:21, Camaleón escribió:

El Fri, 11 Jul 2014 18:41:06 +0200, Altair Linux escribió:


(...)


El asunto esta en que en este portatil tienen que estar los dos,
Windows y Linux.

Parece que actualmente los problemas con UEFI y Secure Boot siguen
dando por saco, y en otros sitios dicen que las distribuciones
actuales normalmente sí tienen soporte. Estoy leyendo sobre este
temas en foros, mensajes de diciembre del 2013.


Prueba con testing, quizá ya hayan integrado el soporte para secure

boot.

Hola yo tengo una Asus X750J con Windows 8 y Debian Testing ...


Y con SecureBoot activado, supongo.


Básicamente no tuve problemas salvo que en la primera instalación que
realice deje que Debian dimensionara las particiones y la partición de
para uefi la creo muy pequeña y no cabían los datos del secure boot,


¿Puedes dar más detalles sobre eso de que los datos de SecureBoot no
cabían? No había oído nunca nada semejante :-)



Yo tampoco lo creía, pero cuando grub intento generar o ingresar los 
datos me dijo que no cabían que la partición era insuficiente ...
No recuerdo el tamaño que me creo el sistema automático de particionado 
pero si era inferior a 100 mb ...



así que tuve que redimensionarla a 200 Mb


La recomendación que he visto para la partición del sistema EFI
(independientemente de si está activado o no SecureBoot) es de mínimo 100
MiB. y máx. 200 MiB.


y desde entonces no he tenido ningún problema (septiembre del año
pasado a la fecha), el instalador en modo texto detecta la necesidad de
uefi, yo instale grub2, sin problemas, el bios-uefi Debian lo
direcciono para hacer a grub2 el arranque por default sin tocar el de
win8 al que puedes acceder desde el bios o el menu avanzado de grub ...


Siempre he pensado que los datos de la BIOS/UEFI deberían estar en un
dispositivo externo (p. ej., memoria µSD de la BIOS/UEFI) y no en el
disco duro porque eso de tener que crear una partición dedicada en el
dsico duro a mí sinceramente me parece una burrada.


Ojo que Win8 por default activa el arranque rápido (un tipo de
hibernación creo) y esto bloquea el acceso a sus particiones, por lo
que si quieres acceder a esos datos debes desactivarla ...

Sugerencia con una memoria usb de 16 Gb o mas, win8 te crea un respaldo
de el incluyendo un secure boot y desde el usb puedes iniciar la
restauración del sistema ... al menos en este equipo lo hace así ...


Eso sí, lo primero que hay que hacer es una imagen del sistema tal y como
viene de fábrica para poder restaurar windows en caso de emergencia desde
un conjunto de varios DVD o una llave USB. La mayoría de los equipos OEM
tienen una utilidad para automatizar el proceso independiente de la que
lleve windows.


También me he encontrado con mensaje que dicen que Debian no es
compatible con Secure Boot, por lo que es necesario instalar cosas que
no estan en los repositorios oficiales.

¿Sugerencias?


Sugerencia: poner windows 7, desactivar secure boot e instalar debian
wheezy :-)


Solo si tu garantía ya termino ...


¿A qué te refieres, a la garantía del equipo? Eso daría igual porque no
interfiere para nada. Tú haces una imagen del sistema operativo que trae
el ordenador de fábrica y en el caso de que te exijan esa versión de
windows concreate para una reparación, la cargas de nuevo y listo.

Saludos,



Tal vez en otras partes, pero en México te encuentras con cada 
cavernícola que por el solo hecho de instalar dos sistemas ya te cuesta 
un buen problema hacer valer la garantía ...

Ya me paso hace algunos años con sears ...
Obvio ya no les compro pc's ...

Saludos ...


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Re: Actualizando con 'aptitude upgrade'

2014-07-15 Thread Aristobulo Pinzon





El Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:08:06 -0700, Aristobulo Pinzon escribió:

 Saludo Señores de la lista.
 Haciendo la actualización con  aptitude upgrade me sale:
 
 Preconfigurando paquetes ...
 dpkg: aviso: `ldconfig' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es
 ejecutable 

(...)

Si preguntas a Google (en inglés) tienes varias respuestas:

dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable.
https://www.google.es/search?q=dpkg%3A+warning%3A+%27ldconfig%27+not+found+in+PATH+or+not+executable.ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-achannel=rcsgfe_rd=crei=TifFU-GNF4bT8geAr4C4Cw

Saludos,

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Gracias a todos se logro quitar la advertencia
con los consejos de 
https://www.google.es/search?q=dpkg%3A+warning%3A+%27ldconfig%27+not+found+in+PATH+or+not+executable.ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:es-ES:officialclient=firefox-achannel=rcsgfe_rd=crei=TifFU-GNF4bT8geAr4C4Cw
Pero ahora es visudo el que no me funciona diciendo:

sudo visudo
sudo: /etc/sudoers.d is owned by uid 1000, should be 0
sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 9
sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
sudo: no se puede inicializar la política de plugin

y esta asi desde la actulización debian 6.9 a la version 7
... al tratar de cambiar los permisos pasa:

# chmod 700 /etc/sudoers.d 
todo bien, pero al regresar al usuario normal
dice lo mismo:
$ sudo visudo
sudo: /etc/sudoers.d is owned by uid 1000, should be 0
sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 9
sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
sudo: no se puede inicializar la política de plugin

y no funciona bien sudo!

Gracias por la ayuda.



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Re: renombrar las eth

2014-07-15 Thread luis


On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:59:34 + (UTC), Camaleón wrote:

El Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:48:39 -0400, luis escribió:

Tengo una gran duda con mi firewall cambié el hardware y con 
tarjetas
de red nueva pero con el mismo disco duro por ende me arranca 
bien
el sistema pero me cambia los nombres de las eth yo tenía eth0 eth1 
y

eth2 y ahora es eth3 eth4 y eth5

Mi pregunta es se pueden renombrar las eth y donde ??? e window$ se
como hacerlo pero acá no


Puedes hacerlo a través de udev, editando el archivo de configuración 
de

las reglas (/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules). Reinicia el
sistema tras la edición.

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Hoola a todos ahora si resolví, de hecho hay varias líneas y bueno 
eliminé y renombré las eth


Un millón de gracias a todos los que me han respondido

Agradecidamente


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Re: Configurar acceso a red a traves de un proxy

2014-07-15 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez

El Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:29:57 -0400
Ismael L. Donis Garcia sli...@citricos.co.cu escribió:

 Recien tengo por primera vez a la red de redes. Para ello debe ser a traves 
 de un proxy por reglamentación. Para ello cogí una PC P4 i le monté wheezy 
 con squid, todo perfecto.
 
 En mi PC configuré el Iceweasel y el Synaptic para que salgan a través del 
 proxy, todo perfecto.
 
 Pero lo que no se como hacer para que cuando diga en consola apt-get update 
  este me resuelva las direcciones a través del proxy. Ahí no llegó mis 
 conocimientos.
 
 Que debo hacer para que apt-get se me valla a través del proxy?
 

leer la documentacion de Debian que para algo mucha gente dona su tiempo 
escribiendola

 Me da el siguiente error:
 root@clt_iyc_03:~# apt-get update
 Ign file: wheezy/updates Release.gpg
 Err http://repo.mate-desktop.org wheezy Release.gpg
   No se pudo resolver «repo.mate-desktop.org»
 Des:1 file: wheezy Release.gpg [1.672 B]
 Des:2 file: wheezy Release.gpg [181 B]
 Des:3 file: wheezy/updates Release [102 kB]
 Des:4 file: wheezy Release [168 kB]
 Des:5 file: wheezy Release [25,6 kB]
 Ign file: wheezy Release
 Ign file: wheezy/main Translation-es
 Ign file: wheezy/main Translation-es_PR
 Ign file: wheezy/main Translation-es
 Ign file: wheezy/main Translation-en
 Ign file: wheezy/non-free Translation-es_PR
 Ign file: wheezy/non-free Translation-es
 Ign file: wheezy/non-free Translation-en
 Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
 W: Error de GPG: file: wheezy Release: Las firmas siguientes no se pudieron 
 verificar porque su llave pública no está disponible: NO_PUBKEY 
 07DC563D1F41B907
 W: Imposible obtener 
 http://repo.mate-desktop.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg  No se pudo 
 resolver «repo.mate-desktop.org»
 
 W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones 
 used instead.
 
 Saludos
 
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Re: Actualizando con 'aptitude upgrade'

2014-07-15 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez

El Tue, 15 Jul 2014 10:25:22 +0200
fernando sainz fernandojose.sa...@gmail.com escribió:

 2014-07-14 21:08 GMT+02:00 Aristobulo Pinzon aristobulopin...@yahoo.com:
  Saludo Señores de la lista.
  Haciendo la actualización con  aptitude upgrade
  me sale:
 
  Preconfigurando paquetes ...
  dpkg: aviso: `ldconfig' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es ejecutable
  dpkg: aviso: `start-stop-daemon' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es 
  ejecutable
  dpkg: error: no se ha encontrado 2 en el PATH o no es ejecutable
  NOTA: El PATH de root debería incluir habitualmente /usr/local/sbin, 
  /usr/sbin y /sbin.
  localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/locale: 0 KiB
  localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/man: 0 KiB
  localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/gnome/help: 0 KiB
  localepurge: Disk space freed in /usr/share/omf: 0 KiB
 
  Total disk space freed by localepurge: 0 KiB
 
  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
  Un paquete no se pudo instalar. Intentado recuperarse:
  dpkg: aviso: `ldconfig' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es ejecutable
  dpkg: aviso: `start-stop-daemon' no se ha encontrado en el PATH o no es 
  ejecutable
  dpkg: error: no se ha encontrado 2 en el PATH o no es ejecutable
  NOTA: El PATH de root debería incluir habitualmente /usr/local/sbin, 
  /usr/sbin y /sbin.
 
  y analizando el path si aparecen...
  MAILCHECK=60
  OPTERR=1
  OPTIND=1
  OSTYPE=linux-gnu
  PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
  PIPESTATUS=([0]=127)
 
  Que podra estar pasando?
  Estará quedando mal actualizado?
  Muchas gracias.
 
 
 Mira a ver si te has quedado sin espacio en alguna partición.
 

No, esta ejecutando la accion con sudo y no tiene en el path  /sbin ni /usr/sbin
Ejecuta el upgrade como root ( con su - )

 $  df
 
 si es así prueba a hacer un aptitude clean
 
 El aptitude upgrade puede ser muy agresivo, a lo mejor puedes empezar
 con un aptitude safe-upgrade o algo así, mira el man.
 Otra opción es usar apt-get
 
 Por supuesto no olvides del aptitude update.
 
 Si no es eso mira los permisos de las rutas, por ejemplo de ldconfig
 
 $ v -d /
 drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 4096 jun 16 12:36 /
 $ v -d /sbin
 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 jul 15 00:48 /sbin
 $ v -d /sbin/ldconfig
 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 863560 jul  8 22:29 /sbin/ldconfig
 $
 
 S2.
 
 
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Re: [solucionado] Re: Evitar apagado de pantalla viendo película

2014-07-15 Thread Germán Avendaño Ramírez

El 15/07/14 11:47, Manolo Díaz escribió:
 Por lo que he encontrado, vlc relega esa tarea en xdg-screensaver, y
 este último tiene abierto un informe de fallo al respecto:

 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726413

 Habrá que esperar.

 Saludos.
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La solución definitiva fue instalar kde mínimo, instalando solamente lo
básico. Es decir he instalado kde-plasma-desktop sin recomendaciones y a
partir de ahí he ido añadiendo cosas. En preferencias del sistema en kde
si he podido evitar que se apague el monitor, porque aquí si aparece la
opción nunca.

Gracias a todos

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transmission-daemon

2014-07-15 Thread jan

Hej!

Jag har försökt få igång transmission-daemon på min server med Debian
7.5 utan att lyckas.

Först ska jag medge att jag inte har en susning om hur autentisering
fungerar i det här fallet.

Resultat:
403: Forbidden
Unauthorized IP Address.
Either disable the IP address whitelist or add your address to it.
If you're editing settings.json, see the 'rpc-whitelist' and
'rpc-whitelist-enabled' entries.
If you're still using ACLs, use a whitelist instead. See the
transmission-daemon manpage for details.

/var/lib/transmsision-daemon/info/settings.json är en symlink till
/etc/transmission-daemon/settings/settings.json som innehåller:

rpc-authentication-required: true, 
rpc-bind-address: 0.0.0.0, 
rpc-enabled: true, 
rpc-password: {1ab29f0ce8b5736b8a9e1c9db05a984283cfa278jIZnUO4g,
rpc-port: 9091, 
rpc-url: /transmission/, 
rpc-username: transmission, 
rpc-whitelist: 192.168.0.3, 
rpc-whitelist-enabled: true, 

Jag har plockat bort ~/.config/transmission-daemon/ för säkerhets
skull.

Om jag tar bort /etc/transmission-daemon/settings/settings.json blir
det samma resultat. Jag kan inte hitta någon annan settings.json på
disken. Jag har dödat och startat om transmission-daemon när jag gjort
ändringar i settings.

Någon som har en förklaring? Eller ett tips? Kanske om något
alternativt program. Anledningen till att jag valde just
transmission-daemon är att jag tycker transmission-gtk fungerar bra.

/Janne


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Re: transmission-daemon

2014-07-15 Thread Olof Johansson

On 2014-07-15 13:11 +0200, j...@lillahusetiskogen.se wrote:
 Hej!
 
 Jag har försökt få igång transmission-daemon på min server med Debian
 7.5 utan att lyckas.
 
 Först ska jag medge att jag inte har en susning om hur autentisering
 fungerar i det här fallet.

Vad är det som spottar ut sig felmeddelandet? Vad försöker du göra?
Använda webbgränssnittet?

 Resultat:
 403: Forbidden
 Unauthorized IP Address.
...
 rpc-whitelist: 192.168.0.3, 

Kör du transmission-daemon på samma maskin som du kör klienten på? Isf
testa att lägga in 127.0.0.1 i rpc-whitelist.

   rpc-whitelist: 127.0.0.1,192.168.0.3,

Vet inte om det är det som är problemet, men kan vara värt ett försök.

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Re: transmission-daemon

2014-07-15 Thread jan

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:03:20 +0200
Olof Johansson o...@ethup.se wrote:

 On 2014-07-15 13:11 +0200, j...@lillahusetiskogen.se wrote:
  Hej!
  
  Jag har försökt få igång transmission-daemon på min server med
  Debian 7.5 utan att lyckas.
  
  Först ska jag medge att jag inte har en susning om hur autentisering
  fungerar i det här fallet.
 
 Vad är det som spottar ut sig felmeddelandet? Vad försöker du göra?
 Använda webbgränssnittet?

Jag försöker använda webbgränssnittet från en annan dator. För ett par
år sedan körde jag webbgränssnitt mot transmission-gtk på en annan
maskin. Fungerade utmärkt. Lite kvartssegt kanske.

 
  Resultat:
  403: Forbidden
  Unauthorized IP Address.
 ...
  rpc-whitelist: 192.168.0.3, 
 
 Kör du transmission-daemon på samma maskin som du kör klienten på? Isf
 testa att lägga in 127.0.0.1 i rpc-whitelist.

Jag kör från en annan dator, 192.168.0.3.

 
rpc-whitelist: 127.0.0.1,192.168.0.3,
 
 Vet inte om det är det som är problemet, men kan vara värt ett försök.
 

Tack för input. Börjar undra om det kan vara så att transmission-deamon
använder ~/.config/transmission/settings.json trots att den inte
borde det (tycker jag). Ska kolla senare.

/Janne


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Re: transmission-daemon (funkar)

2014-07-15 Thread jan

 Tack för input. Börjar undra om det kan vara så att
 transmission-deamon använder ~/.config/transmission/settings.json
 trots att den inte borde det (tycker jag). Ska kolla senare.
 
 /Janne
 
 

Tog bort ~/.config/transmission och startade om transmission-daemon.
Funkade fortfarande inte. Men, det hade dykt upp en ny
~/.config/transmission-daemon med en settings.json i. Jag la till min
IP (192.168.0.3) i rpc-whitelist efter att ha dödat transmission-daemon
och startade igen. Vips så funkade det.

Jag vet inte, men det känns som om det är någon typ av bugg. Oavsett
vilket, det fungerar nu.

/Janne


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Servidor IBM x3630 m4 e outros

2014-07-15 Thread Jefferson Santos - Santos Mayer

Galera, alguém já passou pela experiência de fazer todo o procedimento de
instalação num IBM x3630 m4 ou até mesmo outros modelos, porém na hora do
GRUB não instalar Nem o LILO? Só dá erro??? Como proceder?

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Re: Servidor IBM x3630 m4 e outros

2014-07-15 Thread Fábio Rabelo

O assunto foi discutido aqui mesmo nesta lista na semana passada e na
anterior, procure no histórico !


Fábio Rabelo

Em 15 de julho de 2014 11:52, Jefferson Santos - Santos  Mayer
jeffer...@maestroinformatica.net escreveu:
 Galera, alguém já passou pela experiência de fazer todo o procedimento de
 instalação num IBM x3630 m4 ou até mesmo outros modelos, porém na hora do
 GRUB não instalar Nem o LILO? Só dá erro??? Como proceder?

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RES: Servidor IBM x3630 m4 e outros

2014-07-15 Thread Jefferson Santos - Santos Mayer

Então Fábio, realmente já achei muitas coisas na Internet e nenhuma funcionou…. 
isso que estou achando estranho!!!

Alguém já passou por essa?

Jefferson Santos



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Enviada em: terça-feira, 15 de julho de 2014 13:01
Para: Jefferson Santos - Santos  Mayer; debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
Assunto: Re: Servidor IBM x3630 m4 e outros

O assunto foi discutido aqui mesmo nesta lista na semana passada e na
anterior, procure no histórico !


Fábio Rabelo

Em 15 de julho de 2014 11:52, Jefferson Santos - Santos  Mayer
jeffer...@maestroinformatica.net escreveu:
 Galera, alguém já passou pela experiência de fazer todo o procedimento de
 instalação num IBM x3630 m4 ou até mesmo outros modelos, porém na hora do
 GRUB não instalar Nem o LILO? Só dá erro??? Como proceder?

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Segue meu curriculum com dados para analise.......................................

2014-07-15 Thread Viviane

Bom dia!

Prezado Senhor(a):

Segue anexo meu curriculum para vossa análise.

Acredito ter o perfil desejado por vossa empresa.

Coloco-me a disposição para maiores informações, se necessário.

Desde ja agradeço a sua atenção

Att. Viviane Caetano Cordeiro
 
 
 


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RE: servidor desligando sozinho

2014-07-15 Thread Vitor Hugo

fazendo uma limpeza achei um capacitor estufado acredito que seja este o 
problema. não acredito que seja fonte pois trabalhou muito tempo sem dar 
problemas.

 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 20:26:34 -0300
 From: h...@debian.org
 To: wilia...@yahoo.com.br
 CC: vitorhug...@hotmail.com; debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: servidor desligando sozinho

 On Mon, 14 Jul 2014, Wiliam Freitas wrote:
  Sobre problema de desligamento, só vejo a fonte de alimentação como
  possível causa, pois qualquer outro dispositivo irá lhe dar sinais, ao
  passo que a fonte irá desligar de uma só vez.

 Nem sempre.  Servidores com Xeons novos precisam de uma atualização de
 firmware para evitar desligamentos repentinos quando estão mornos, etc.

 Varia muito.  Mas fonte ruim é uma das causas prováveis, sim.

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RE: microkernels (I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-15 Thread Bonno Bloksma

Hi,

Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:
 A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a little 
 voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who controlled the 
 decision to go to systemd had been the decision makers in 1990, Linux 
 would have a microkernel today.

 Regarding history and microkernels, this document about the reliability 
 features of Minix is very interesting:

 http://www.minix3.org/docs/jorrit-herder/osr-jul06.pdf

Hmm, very nice to read. It proves that an inherent stable OS using a 
microkernel design is possible. And they even build and tested it in the wild.

Bonno Bloksma

Re: Time in Emacs status bar

2014-07-15 Thread Johann Spies

On 15 July 2014 01:50, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:



 Is it correct when you ask for it directly?  What is this output?

 Yes it is correct everywhere else:


   $ date


  $ date -R

 Do you have TZ set?

   echo $TZ

 js@artikel ~ date
Di Jul 15 09:06:38 SAST 2014
js@artikel ~ date -R
Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:06:45 +0200
js@artikel ~ echo $TZ

js@artikel ~




  I have tried to correct it by putting this in ~/.emacs:
 
  (set-time-zone-rule GMT+2)
  (setq display-time-day-and-date t
  display-time-24hr-format t)
  (display-time)

 I suggest fixing it at the system level not in each application.
 There are too many applications to play fixup with each one
 individually.  (And I am also an emacs user.)

 I agree.

Thanks for you attention.

I will look further for the cause of this problem.

Regards
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Re: Debian on Intel NUC?

On 2014-07-15, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote:

 I have been asked if there are any issues running Debian Stable on one
 of the newer Intel NUC hardware.  Something like this.

   Intel NUC i5 Intel HD Graphics 5000
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102054

 I don't have any experience with this hardware yet.  My search fu is
 failing me looking for postings to determine if this is a supported
 system or not.  I decided I would ask here.  In the end I will
 probably just need to get one and try it.


I found the following arstechnica review:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/02/linux-on-the-nuc-using-ubuntu-mint-fedora-and-the-steamos-beta/

Maybe you already looked at it.



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Re: Debian on Intel NUC?

2014-07-15 Thread Alberto Luaces

Bob Proulx writes:

 I have been asked if there are any issues running Debian Stable on one
 of the newer Intel NUC hardware.  Something like this.

   Intel NUC i5 Intel HD Graphics 5000
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102054

 I don't have any experience with this hardware yet.  My search fu is
 failing me looking for postings to determine if this is a supported
 system or not.  I decided I would ask here.  In the end I will
 probably just need to get one and try it.

 Does anyone have something like this running Debian?  Any problems?

 * Graphics?  This has the Intel HD Graphics 5000.
 * UEFI?
 * USB 3.0 ports?

 As a side question does anyone know if it is possible to use both the
 display port and the hdmi for a dual monitor configuration?  Or a
 monitor plus projector configuration?

At my office, a similar machine was bought (D54250WYKH).  We just did a
quick test with a Ubuntu live USB: no problems booting, nor displaying
the desktop.  The wifi and the bluetooth card worked well.

We only tried the HDMI port with the monitor. 

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Re: Skype - no microphone input sound...REVISITED

On 2014-07-15, A_man_without_clue love.cha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyway, funny thing is that skype works just fine with microphone if i 
 use from my wife's debian user account. I believe audio settings and 
 skype settings are identical though


You might try removing or moving '~/.Skype/' out of the way in the
non-functioning account and starting afresh.


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Re: Debian on Intel NUC?

2014-07-15 Thread Matthias Fraidl

On 07/15/2014 02:15 AM, Bob Proulx wrote:
 I have been asked if there are any issues running Debian Stable on one
 of the newer Intel NUC hardware.  Something like this.
 
   Intel NUC i5 Intel HD Graphics 5000
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102054

Hi Bob,

we are using an Intel NUC Kit D34010WYK at the office
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102053) as
monitoring station.

 Does anyone have something like this running Debian?  Any problems?
 
 * Graphics?  This has the Intel HD Graphics 5000.
 * UEFI?
 * USB 3.0 ports?

We are running Debian Jessie, because we were unable to get the ethernet
card working in Wheezy (you can find a thread for a similar problem
here:
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17t=106169sid=1b4381ea1cd1581910e7b8003458bdb1).

 As a side question does anyone know if it is possible to use both the
 display port and the hdmi for a dual monitor configuration?  Or a
 monitor plus projector configuration?

Yes, we are a running an multi-monitor setup, it works properly!

 Thanks,
 Bob

regards,
matthias


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Re: internet traffic does not traverse openvpn server

2014-07-15 Thread Kitty Cat

I saw this thread and thought I would throw this in.

When you want to check your VPN is working correctly, this tool comes in
handy...

https://www.dnsleaktest.com/

It checks to see if your DNS traffic is leaked to your ISP or if it goes
through your VPN.




On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 11:24 AM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote:

 On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 19:18:28 +0200
 Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote:

  Thanks for your help

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Re: internet traffic does not traverse openvpn server

2014-07-15 Thread Reco

 Hi.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 04:44:46AM -0600, Kitty Cat wrote:
 I saw this thread and thought I would throw this in.
 
 When you want to check your VPN is working correctly, this tool comes in 
 handy...
 
 https://www.dnsleaktest.com/
 
 It checks to see if your DNS traffic is leaked to your ISP or if it goes 
 through your VPN.

tcpdump -i any udp port 53

will do the same with a small difference - tcpdump does not provide your
DNS request data to those 'Moniker Privacy Services' guys.

Reco


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Re: System Temperature sensing

On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 22:31:40 -0700
Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gigabyte 970A-DS3

The first result of a research directly drives
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dd statistics output

2014-07-15 Thread Christian Groessler


Hi,

the final output of 'dd' is in SI mode (or how to call it). It uses 
10^6 instead of 2^20 for megabyte.


Example:

$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=65536 count=4096
4096+0 records in
4096+0 records out
268435456 bytes (268 MB) copied, 0.0248346 s, 10.8 GB/s
$

Is there a switch to display in traditional units, I'd like to have

268435456 bytes (256 MB) copied, ...

regards,
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Re: Skype - no microphone input sound...REVISITED

2014-07-15 Thread Man_Without_Clue



On 07/15/2014 05:18 PM, Curt wrote:

On 2014-07-15, A_man_without_clue love.cha...@gmail.com wrote:

Anyway, funny thing is that skype works just fine with microphone if i
use from my wife's debian user account. I believe audio settings and
skype settings are identical though


You might try removing or moving '~/.Skype/' out of the way in the
non-functioning account and starting afresh.





No luck


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Re: Skype - no microphone input sound...REVISITED

2014-07-15 Thread ken


On 07/15/2014 09:38 AM Man_Without_Clue wrote:


On 07/15/2014 05:18 PM, Curt wrote:

On 2014-07-15, A_man_without_clue love.cha...@gmail.com wrote:

Anyway, funny thing is that skype works just fine with microphone if i
use from my wife's debian user account. I believe audio settings and
skype settings are identical though


You might try removing or moving '~/.Skype/' out of the way in the
non-functioning account and starting afresh.





No luck


How about this:  After moving your own ~/.Skype/ somewhere temporarily, 
copy your wife's ~/.Skype/ to your machine.



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Re: Skype - no microphone input sound...REVISITED

2014-07-15 Thread ken


On 07/15/2014 09:50 AM ken wrote:

On 07/15/2014 09:38 AM Man_Without_Clue wrote:


On 07/15/2014 05:18 PM, Curt wrote:

On 2014-07-15, A_man_without_clue love.cha...@gmail.com wrote:

Anyway, funny thing is that skype works just fine with microphone if i
use from my wife's debian user account. I believe audio settings and
skype settings are identical though


You might try removing or moving '~/.Skype/' out of the way in the
non-functioning account and starting afresh.





No luck


How about this:  After moving your own ~/.Skype/ somewhere temporarily,
copy your wife's ~/.Skype/ to your machine.


I should have  said too that you want to stop skype completely before 
doing the above, i.e., ensure that 'ps -ef|grep -i skype' shows nothing 
before copying her config to your machine.  After it's in place, then 
restart skype.



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Re: Skype - no microphone input sound...REVISITED

On 2014-07-15, ken geb...@mousecar.com wrote:

 How about this:  After moving your own ~/.Skype/ somewhere temporarily, 
 copy your wife's ~/.Skype/ to your machine.

I thought it was the same machine, different accounts (marital bliss).


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Re: dd statistics output

2014-07-15 Thread Jonathan Dowland

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 03:14:47PM +0200, Christian Groessler wrote:
 the final output of 'dd' is in SI mode (or how to call it). It
 uses 10^6 instead of 2^20 for megabyte.
...
 Is there a switch to display in traditional units

Not in dd itself, afaik.

Recent-ish coreutils versions have 'numfmt', which can be used as a filter.
E.g.

 $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/sdf bs=1M count=4 21 | tail -1
 4194304 bytes (4.2 MB) copied, 0.00476939 s, 879 MB/s
 $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/sdf bs=1M count=4 21 |tail -1|numfmt --from=si 
 --to=iec-i
 4.0Mi bytes (4.2 MB) copied, 0.00476939 s, 879 MB/s

Note that it only converted the first number.  fields, you may want to / have
to write some glue.

See http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/numfmt.html


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Re: networked multi-function colour laser printers

2014-07-15 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Tuesday 15 July 2014 00:45:25 Doug wrote:
 XSane
 is smart enough to take care of that

No it's not, it needs the right drivers.  Either you already happened to have 
them, or your printer driver must have supplied Scanner drivers.

Lisi


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Re: microkernels (I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:36:54 +
Bonno Bloksma b.blok...@tio.nl wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:
  A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a
  little voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who
  controlled the decision to go to systemd had been the decision
  makers in 1990, Linux would have a microkernel today.
 
  Regarding history and microkernels, this document about the
  reliability features of Minix is very interesting:
 
  http://www.minix3.org/docs/jorrit-herder/osr-jul06.pdf
 
 Hmm, very nice to read. It proves that an inherent stable OS using a
 microkernel design is possible. And they even build and tested it in
 the wild.
 
 Bonno Bloksma

Yes, that article was surprisingly logical and laid out the case for a
microkernel extremely well. I hereby take back my original statement.
The microkernel is 5K lines of code. I have a feeling that systemd has a
few more lines of code than that.

SteveT

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Re: microkernels (I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-15 Thread Frank McCormick


On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:36:54 +
Bonno Bloksma b.blok...@tio.nl wrote:


Hi,


Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:

A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a
little voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who
controlled the decision to go to systemd had been the decision
makers in 1990, Linux would have a microkernel today.


Regarding history and microkernels, this document about the
reliability features of Minix is very interesting:

http://www.minix3.org/docs/jorrit-herder/osr-jul06.pdf


Hmm, very nice to read. It proves that an inherent stable OS using a
microkernel design is possible. And they even build and tested it in
the wild.

Bonno Bloksma


Yes, that article was surprisingly logical and laid out the case for a
microkernel extremely well. I hereby take back my original statement.
The microkernel is 5K lines of code. I have a feeling that systemd has a
few more lines of code than that.



   It would be interesting to read Linus's comments on 
MicroKernels...and why Linux is the way it is. Has he ever commented ?




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Re: microkernels (I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:32:29 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:

 On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
  On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:36:54 +
  Bonno Bloksma b.blok...@tio.nl wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:
  A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a
  little voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who
  controlled the decision to go to systemd had been the decision
  makers in 1990, Linux would have a microkernel today.
 
  Regarding history and microkernels, this document about the
  reliability features of Minix is very interesting:
 
  http://www.minix3.org/docs/jorrit-herder/osr-jul06.pdf
 
  Hmm, very nice to read. It proves that an inherent stable OS using
  a microkernel design is possible. And they even build and tested
  it in the wild.
 
  Bonno Bloksma
 
  Yes, that article was surprisingly logical and laid out the case
  for a microkernel extremely well. I hereby take back my original
  statement. The microkernel is 5K lines of code. I have a feeling
  that systemd has a few more lines of code than that.
 
 
 It would be interesting to read Linus's comments on 
 MicroKernels...and why Linux is the way it is. Has he ever commented ?

As I remember, and I could be wrong, he said he went monolithic because
that's what he could do quickly, by himself. The long road to hurd kind
of proved that microkernel is difficult to implement.

One of my favorite sayings is The perfect is the enemy of the good. I
think that's why he went monolithic. A lot of things never get done at
all because people insist on doing it the very best way, and never get
out of the planning stage.

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Re: microkernels (I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

On 2014-07-15, Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:

 It would be interesting to read Linus's comments on 
 MicroKernels...and why Linux is the way it is. Has he ever commented ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum%E2%80%93Torvalds_debate


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Re: networked multi-function colour laser printers SOLVED

2014-07-15 Thread Richard Lyons

Just a quick thank you to all who offered advice and help.  The errant
Samsung hardware has started working again, so my search for a
replacement is deferred -- at least for now.

In case it helps anybody else, the things that brought the machine back
to life were rebooting the printer, clearing the network settings to
factory default, reinstalling the Samsung driver (version 1-00-27.04) on
my desktop PC, rebooting the printer...  I might have thought it was the
network settings, but I happen to have printed them out both before and
after, and there is absolutely no difference.  Whatever, it is great
while it works.

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gedit ugly under xfce

sid 64bits
XFCE
gedit
==

Hi list,

I'm using 

When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
no upper bar from the theme).

grdestop has XFCE decoration.

Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?

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Re: microkernels (I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-15 Thread russ


On 07/15/2014 11:32 AM, Frank McCormick wrote:

On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:36:54 +
Bonno Bloksma b.blok...@tio.nl wrote:


Hi,


Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:

A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a
little voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who
controlled the decision to go to systemd had been the decision
makers in 1990, Linux would have a microkernel today.


Regarding history and microkernels, this document about the
reliability features of Minix is very interesting:

http://www.minix3.org/docs/jorrit-herder/osr-jul06.pdf


Hmm, very nice to read. It proves that an inherent stable OS using a
microkernel design is possible. And they even build and tested it in
the wild.

Bonno Bloksma


Yes, that article was surprisingly logical and laid out the case for a
microkernel extremely well. I hereby take back my original statement.
The microkernel is 5K lines of code. I have a feeling that systemd has a
few more lines of code than that.



It would be interesting to read Linus's comments on MicroKernels...and
why Linux is the way it is. Has he ever commented ?


Here's a link to a discussion between Linus and Tanenbaum.

http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/appa.html








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Re: networked multi-function colour laser printers

2014-07-15 Thread Doug



On 07/15/2014 10:46 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Tuesday 15 July 2014 00:45:25 Doug wrote:

XSane
is smart enough to take care of that

No it's not, it needs the right drivers.  Either you already happened to have
them, or your printer driver must have supplied Scanner drivers.

Lisi



I did not have the printer driver installed when I ran XSane for the
first time. Searching in Find files/folders for *epson* shows
some files with sane in the name, but I HAD NOT INSTALLED the
printer driver at the time I ran the scanner. (The printer would
not print graphics until I installed the printer driver.) I must assume
the scanner driver is built into XSane or it is built in to the system
somehow. If you go to the Epson linux website, you will find that
there is a different driver for the scanner. Also, there is no provision
in Mint for installing a scanner driver. Only a printer driver. If one
wished to install a scanner driver, I don't know how he would do so.

That's all I know. I'm not a Linux maven, so shoot me!

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Frank McCormick


On 07/15/2014 01:46 PM, B wrote:

sid 64bits
XFCE
gedit
==

Hi list,

I'm using

When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
no upper bar from the theme).

grdestop has XFCE decoration.

Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?




  I suffer the same thing with GThumb - so I don't think you're missing 
anything. I was told sometime ago on this list it's the wave of the 
future . I believe it's connected to GTK 3 somehow.



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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:28:58 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Reco

 Hi.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 07:46:07PM +0200, B wrote:
 When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
 gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
 decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
 no upper bar from the theme).
 
 grdestop has XFCE decoration.
 
 Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?

This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will provide
you with all the gory details.

Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread was
invented [1].
Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as 'needs some
work' - [2].

Reco

[1] http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/01/13/client-side-decorations-continued/

[2] http://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/boards/1/topics/1135


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Re: microkernels (I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-15 Thread Frank McCormick


On 07/15/2014 01:30 PM, russ wrote:

On 07/15/2014 11:32 AM, Frank McCormick wrote:

On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:36:54 +
Bonno Bloksma b.blok...@tio.nl wrote:


Hi,


Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:

A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a
little voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who
controlled the decision to go to systemd had been the decision
makers in 1990, Linux would have a microkernel today.


Regarding history and microkernels, this document about the
reliability features of Minix is very interesting:

http://www.minix3.org/docs/jorrit-herder/osr-jul06.pdf


Hmm, very nice to read. It proves that an inherent stable OS using a
microkernel design is possible. And they even build and tested it in
the wild.

Bonno Bloksma


Yes, that article was surprisingly logical and laid out the case for a
microkernel extremely well. I hereby take back my original statement.
The microkernel is 5K lines of code. I have a feeling that systemd has a
few more lines of code than that.



It would be interesting to read Linus's comments on MicroKernels...and
why Linux is the way it is. Has he ever commented ?


Here's a link to a discussion between Linus and Tanenbaum.

http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/appa.html


  Interesting but I wonder just how much of it is relevant today ? This 
took place **22 years** ago. And even the intro to the usenet
discussion shows its age...with the person writing that it took place 
when names like Netscape and Excite were household words :)



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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400
Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will
 provide you with all the gory details.

That was my conclusion from Franck post (and also checked on
a 32bits machine: ze same)
 
 Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread
 was invented [1].
 Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as
 'needs some work' - [2].

I think I could suggest another use of the butter for
those creeps…

Too bad, I loved gedit; any suggestion about quite the
same editor w/o uglyness?

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread lostson

Geany works quite nice or there is always gvim.



On 07/15/2014 01:47 PM, B wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400
 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will
 provide you with all the gory details.
 
 That was my conclusion from Franck post (and also checked on
 a 32bits machine: ze same)
  
 Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread
 was invented [1].
 Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as
 'needs some work' - [2].
 
 I think I could suggest another use of the butter for
 those creeps…
 
 Too bad, I loved gedit; any suggestion about quite the
 same editor w/o uglyness?
 



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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:49:09 -0500
lostson lost...@lostsonsvault.org wrote:

 Geany works quite nice or there is always gvim.

No bad at all, thanks.

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Bret Busby

On 16/07/2014, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 07:46:07PM +0200, B wrote:
When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
gray bars (with controls information), but no XFCE
decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
no upper bar from the theme).

grdestop has XFCE decoration.

Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?

This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will provide
you with all the gory details.

Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread was
invented [1].
Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as 'needs some
work' - [2].

Reco

[1]
http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/01/13/client-side-decorations-continued/

[2] http://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/boards/1/topics/1135

It all sounds like even more encouragement to stick with Debian 6, and GNOME2.

Perhaps, that was the objective...

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Erwan David

Le 15/07/2014 21:36, Bret Busby a écrit :
 On 16/07/2014, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi.

 On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 07:46:07PM +0200, B wrote:
 When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
 gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
 decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
 no upper bar from the theme).

 grdestop has XFCE decoration.

 Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?
 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will provide
 you with all the gory details.

 Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread was
 invented [1].
 Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as 'needs some
 work' - [2].

 Reco

 [1]
 http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/01/13/client-side-decorations-continued/

 [2] http://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/boards/1/topics/1135


 It all sounds like even more encouragement to stick with Debian 6, and GNOME2.

 Perhaps, that was the objective...

I would say to use something else than gnome There are several
alternatives.


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Tom H

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:47 PM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400
 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will
 provide you with all the gory details.

 That was my conclusion from Franck post (and also checked on
 a 32bits machine: ze same)

 Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread
 was invented [1].
 Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as
 'needs some work' - [2].

 I think I could suggest another use of the butter for
 those creeps…

 Too bad, I loved gedit; any suggestion about quite the
 same editor w/o uglyness?

Doesn't Mate have a gedit fork?

If you're not averse to rebuilding gedit, Ubuntu might have a patch
that you could cherry-pick and apply.


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Go Linux

On Tue, 7/15/14, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: gedit ugly under xfce
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2014, 1:47 PM

Too bad, I loved gedit; any suggestion about quite the
same editor w/o uglyness?

With my wheezy xfce, I use mate-text-editor (pluma) from the mate project which 
is a port of the old GTK2 gedit .  Solves the ugliness problem and is oh so 
familiar . .  .

Copying to you Buzz, because my posts from yahoo do not always get through.

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Bret Busby

On 16/07/2014, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
Le 15/07/2014 21:36, Bret Busby a écrit :
On 16/07/2014, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi.

grdestop has XFCE decoration.

Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?
This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will provide
you with all the gory details.

Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread was
invented [1].
Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as 'needs some
work' - [2].

Reco

[1]
http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/01/13/client-side-decorations-continued/

[2] http://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/boards/1/topics/1135

It all sounds like even more encouragement to stick with Debian 6, and
GNOME2.

Perhaps, that was the objective...

I would say to use something else than gnome There are several
alternatives.

I have tried xfce, on Debian 7.5, and, do not like it. It appears to
not have the fiunctionality for modifying the desktop layout as shown
in the version of xfce for PC-BSD 210.0.2 - see
http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/XFCE4/10.0 , where provision is
provided, for the Migrate old config option, which was greyed out,
in the Debian 7.5 implementation of xfce.

I could not (yet) get a workable LIVE disc of lxde on Debian 7.5
i386, to examine on my old Celeron laptop (HP/Compaq NX5000), so I am
waiting for Debian 7.6 LIVE iso's to be available. I am not sure
whether I can download and install LXDE on my Debian 7.5 amd64 system
that already has XFCE installed; my understanding is that, with PC-BSD
10.0.x, a person can have multiple desktop environments installed,
and, select one of them, to use, when logging in as a user, but, I do
not know whether that applies in Debian Linux.

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Bret Busby

On 16/07/2014, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:47 PM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400
Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:

This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will
provide you with all the gory details.

That was my conclusion from Franck post (and also checked on
a 32bits machine: ze same)

Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread
was invented [1].
Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as
'needs some work' - [2].

I think I could suggest another use of the butter for
those creeps…

Too bad, I loved gedit; any suggestion about quite the
same editor w/o uglyness?

Doesn't Mate have a gedit fork?

At http://mate-desktop.org/ is

Pluma

Pluma is a text editor which supports most standard editor features.
It also extends this basic functionality with other features not
usually found in simple text editors. Pluma is a graphical application
which supports editing multiple text files in one window (known
sometimes as tabs or MDI). Pluma fully supports international text
through its use of the Unicode UTF-8 encoding in edited files. Its
core feature set includes syntax highlighting of source code, auto
indentation, and printing support (with print preview). Pluma is a
fork of Gedit.

My understanding of a problem with the Mate desktop environment, is
that appliactions have Spanish names, rather than English (or, kind of
English, insofar as gedit is kind of English) names, like Caja, Atril,
Engrampa, etc.

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Re: microkernels (I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-15 Thread Brian

On Tue 15 Jul 2014 at 14:26:45 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:

 On 07/15/2014 01:30 PM, russ wrote:
 Here's a link to a discussion between Linus and Tanenbaum.
 
 http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/appa.html
 
   Interesting but I wonder just how much of it is relevant today ?

None of it on debian-user. But that is what happens when the purpose and
intent of the thread is trashed by cogent argument. Its proponent has nothing
to say in response so all that can be done is to persue an irrelevant
rearguard action with no connection to the original point. Noise for noise's
sake.

Like:

  Germany 1 Argentina 0

Linus Torvalds is rumoured to be chuffed about that. 


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400
Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi.
 
 On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 07:46:07PM +0200, B wrote:
  When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
  gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
  decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
  no upper bar from the theme).
  
  grdestop has XFCE decoration.
  
  Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?
 
 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will provide
 you with all the gory details.

There are so many great window manager/desktop environments (WM/DE). I
used Xfce for years, love it, but yeah, it has a few deficiencies.
Start by trying LXDE. I think it's better than Xfce in every respect
except difficulty with multiple panels, and the slow mouse.

Openbox is great if you don't need a panel. dwm and I3 are wonderful if
you like slim tiled interfaces. If pretty is what you want, why not use
Gnome3? Yeah, it's a whole different kind of animal, but I've seen it
used by a guy who understood how to use it, and it can be very
productive and very pretty.

You know, so many people believe that the distro and WM/DE are a
package deal, which is why everyone fled Ubuntu after Unity. There are
zillions of outstanding WM/DEs to pick from, no matter what distro you
choose.

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread José Silva


On 15/07/14 21:03, Bret Busby wrote:

Pluma

Pluma is a text editor which supports most standard editor features.


What's wrong with xfce mousepad?




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Re: networked multi-function colour laser printers

2014-07-15 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Tuesday 15 July 2014 19:21:05 Doug wrote:
 On 07/15/2014 10:46 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
  On Tuesday 15 July 2014 00:45:25 Doug wrote:
  XSane
  is smart enough to take care of that
 
  No it's not, it needs the right drivers.  Either you already happened to
  have them, or your printer driver must have supplied Scanner drivers.
 
  Lisi

 I did not have the printer driver installed when I ran XSane for the
 first time. Searching in Find files/folders for *epson* shows
 some files with sane in the name, but I HAD NOT INSTALLED the
 printer driver at the time I ran the scanner. (The printer would
 not print graphics until I installed the printer driver.) I must assume
 the scanner driver is built into XSane or it is built in to the system
 somehow. If you go to the Epson linux website, you will find that
 there is a different driver for the scanner. Also, there is no provision
 in Mint for installing a scanner driver. Only a printer driver. If one
 wished to install a scanner driver, I don't know how he would do so.

 That's all I know. I'm not a Linux maven, so shoot me!

The driver must be built into Mint.  So you already happened to have it.

Lisi


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:00:34 +0100
José Silva jsantossi...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On 15/07/14 21:03, Bret Busby wrote:
  Pluma
 
  Pluma is a text editor which supports most standard editor features.
 
 What's wrong with xfce mousepad?

Just the other day it ate someones whole file. I think that was
reported on this mailing list.

SteveT

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread José Silva


On 15/07/14 23:11, Steve Litt wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:00:34 +0100
José Silva jsantossi...@hotmail.com wrote:


On 15/07/14 21:03, Bret Busby wrote:

Pluma

Pluma is a text editor which supports most standard editor features.


What's wrong with xfce mousepad?


Just the other day it ate someones whole file. I think that was
reported on this mailing list.



The version I have installed for several years never ate anything, I 
guess I feed it enough :)



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