Re: Testing - problème de resolv.conf [SOLVED]

2014-08-13 Thread BOLLINGH Sebastien

 Bonjour,

J'ai finalement compris le problème de mon resolv.conf.
En fait, /etc/resolv.conf doit être un lien symbolique pointant vers 
/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf qui est lui-même géré de façon dynamique.

Ayant préalablement solutionné mon problème en lançant manuellement le service 
network-manager,
puis en créant autant de /etc/resolv.conf que j'ai de réseaux auxquelles je me 
connecte afin de me faciliter la vie avec des
# sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf/xyz /etc/resolv.conf
j'ai forcément cassé ce lien symbolique au moment où il ne fonctionnait pas et 
quand le problème du network-manager fut réglé lors d'une mise-à-jour,
le lien, lui, était devenu défectueux ;-(

je viens donc de remettre tout en ordre à l'aide d'un simple petit
# sudo ln -s /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf

Si cela peut aider quelqu'un ...

Belle journée !

Auroch.


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Sujet: Testing - problème de resolv.conf [Still Pending] et network-manager 
[Solved]
Date: Mardi 22 Juillet 2014 10:09 CEST
De: BOLLINGH Sebastien sebastien.bolli...@ecolo.be
Pour: BOLLINGH Sebastien sebastien.bolli...@ecolo.be
Copie: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org



  Bonjour,

 Suite aux mise-à-jours de ce WE, le service network-manager
 est à nouveau correctement démarré sous systemd.

 Par contre, le resolv.conf doit toujours êtreparamètré à la main, le fait 
 d'avoir un DHCP ne le met toujours pas à jour ... ;-(

 Belle journée !


  Message original 
 Sujet: Testing - problème de resolv.conf et network-manager
 Date: Mercredi 16 Juillet 2014 11:46 CEST
 De: BOLLINGH Sebastien sebastien.bolli...@ecolo.be
 Pour: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org



  Bonjour,
 
  Depuis quelques jours, suite à 2 mise à jours espacées de quelques jours, 
  j'ai des problème réseau sur une Debian Testion en systemd.
 
  Cela à commencer par le fait que network-manager ne mettait plus à jour le 
  fichier resolv.conf en fonction du DHCP (à moins que network-manager ne 
  soit pour rien dans le maj du resolv.conf)
  Puis depuis hier, suite à une mise à jour du network-manager, celui-ci ne 
  démarrer plus avec les autres services de la machine.Je dois une fois dans 
  ma session, exécuter un
 
  sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager start
 
  pour que tout rentre dans l'ordre, idéalement après avoir copier le 
  resolv.conf correspondant au réseau où je me trouve ;-)
 
  Quelqu'un d'autre expériment-t-il ce problème ?
  Où puis-je trouver de l'info pertinent sur les choses à vérifier dans 
  systemd pour comprendre comment activer certains services au démarrage ?
 
  Belle journée à vous tou(te)s,
 
  Sébastien
 
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Re: Testing - problème de resolv.conf [SOLVED]

2014-08-13 Thread Francois Mescam
Bizarre ce que tu décris ne correspond pas à ce que j'observe sur ma
machine. J'ai un fichier /etc/resolv.conf qui n'est pas un lien et qui
est mis à jour par network-manager. Par ailleurs je n'ai pas de
/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf.

Je n'ai pas le paquet resolvconf d'installé, c'est peut-être la notre
différence.

François

On 13/08/2014 09:42, BOLLINGH Sebastien wrote:
  
  Bonjour,

 J'ai finalement compris le problème de mon resolv.conf.
 En fait, /etc/resolv.conf doit être un lien symbolique pointant vers 
 /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf qui est lui-même géré de façon dynamique.

 Ayant préalablement solutionné mon problème en lançant manuellement le 
 service network-manager,
 puis en créant autant de /etc/resolv.conf que j'ai de réseaux auxquelles je 
 me connecte afin de me faciliter la vie avec des
 # sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf/xyz /etc/resolv.conf
 j'ai forcément cassé ce lien symbolique au moment où il ne fonctionnait pas 
 et quand le problème du network-manager fut réglé lors d'une mise-à-jour,
 le lien, lui, était devenu défectueux ;-(

 je viens donc de remettre tout en ordre à l'aide d'un simple petit
 # sudo ln -s /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf

 Si cela peut aider quelqu'un ...

 Belle journée !

 Auroch.
  

  Message original  
 Sujet: Testing - problème de resolv.conf [Still Pending] et network-manager 
 [Solved] 
 Date: Mardi 22 Juillet 2014 10:09 CEST 
 De: BOLLINGH Sebastien sebastien.bolli...@ecolo.be 
 Pour: BOLLINGH Sebastien sebastien.bolli...@ecolo.be 
 Copie: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
  
  
  
  Bonjour,

 Suite aux mise-à-jours de ce WE, le service network-manager
 est à nouveau correctement démarré sous systemd.

 Par contre, le resolv.conf doit toujours êtreparamètré à la main, le fait 
 d'avoir un DHCP ne le met toujours pas à jour ... ;-(

 Belle journée !
  

  Message original  
 Sujet: Testing - problème de resolv.conf et network-manager 
 Date: Mercredi 16 Juillet 2014 11:46 CEST 
 De: BOLLINGH Sebastien sebastien.bolli...@ecolo.be 
 Pour: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org 
  
  
  
 Bonjour,

 Depuis quelques jours, suite à 2 mise à jours espacées de quelques jours, 
 j'ai des problème réseau sur une Debian Testion en systemd.

 Cela à commencer par le fait que network-manager ne mettait plus à jour le 
 fichier resolv.conf en fonction du DHCP (à moins que network-manager ne 
 soit pour rien dans le maj du resolv.conf)
 Puis depuis hier, suite à une mise à jour du network-manager, celui-ci ne 
 démarrer plus avec les autres services de la machine.Je dois une fois dans 
 ma session, exécuter un

 sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager start

 pour que tout rentre dans l'ordre, idéalement après avoir copier le 
 resolv.conf correspondant au réseau où je me trouve ;-)

 Quelqu'un d'autre expériment-t-il ce problème ?
 Où puis-je trouver de l'info pertinent sur les choses à vérifier dans 
 systemd pour comprendre comment activer certains services au démarrage ?

 Belle journée à vous tou(te)s,

 Sébastien

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Re: Testing - problème de resolv.conf [SOLVED]

2014-08-13 Thread Belaïd
Pareil pour moi, mais c'est peu être par ce qu'il est sur systemd ...
Le 13 août 2014 10:08, Francois Mescam franc...@mescam.org a écrit :

 Bizarre ce que tu décris ne correspond pas à ce que j'observe sur ma
 machine. J'ai un fichier /etc/resolv.conf qui n'est pas un lien et qui
 est mis à jour par network-manager. Par ailleurs je n'ai pas de
 /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf.

 Je n'ai pas le paquet resolvconf d'installé, c'est peut-être la notre
 différence.

 François

 On 13/08/2014 09:42, BOLLINGH Sebastien wrote:
 
   Bonjour,
 
  J'ai finalement compris le problème de mon resolv.conf.
  En fait, /etc/resolv.conf doit être un lien symbolique pointant vers
 /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf qui est lui-même géré de façon dynamique.
 
  Ayant préalablement solutionné mon problème en lançant manuellement le
 service network-manager,
  puis en créant autant de /etc/resolv.conf que j'ai de réseaux auxquelles
 je me connecte afin de me faciliter la vie avec des
  # sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf/xyz /etc/resolv.conf
  j'ai forcément cassé ce lien symbolique au moment où il ne fonctionnait
 pas et quand le problème du network-manager fut réglé lors d'une
 mise-à-jour,
  le lien, lui, était devenu défectueux ;-(
 
  je viens donc de remettre tout en ordre à l'aide d'un simple petit
  # sudo ln -s /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf
 
  Si cela peut aider quelqu'un ...
 
  Belle journée !
 
  Auroch.
 
 
   Message original 
  Sujet: Testing - problème de resolv.conf [Still Pending] et
 network-manager [Solved]
  Date: Mardi 22 Juillet 2014 10:09 CEST
  De: BOLLINGH Sebastien sebastien.bolli...@ecolo.be
  Pour: BOLLINGH Sebastien sebastien.bolli...@ecolo.be
  Copie: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
 
 
 
   Bonjour,
 
  Suite aux mise-à-jours de ce WE, le service network-manager
  est à nouveau correctement démarré sous systemd.
 
  Par contre, le resolv.conf doit toujours êtreparamètré à la main, le
 fait d'avoir un DHCP ne le met toujours pas à jour ... ;-(
 
  Belle journée !
 
 
   Message original 
  Sujet: Testing - problème de resolv.conf et network-manager
  Date: Mercredi 16 Juillet 2014 11:46 CEST
  De: BOLLINGH Sebastien sebastien.bolli...@ecolo.be
  Pour: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
 
 
 
  Bonjour,
 
  Depuis quelques jours, suite à 2 mise à jours espacées de quelques
 jours, j'ai des problème réseau sur une Debian Testion en systemd.
 
  Cela à commencer par le fait que network-manager ne mettait plus à
 jour le fichier resolv.conf en fonction du DHCP (à moins que
 network-manager ne soit pour rien dans le maj du resolv.conf)
  Puis depuis hier, suite à une mise à jour du network-manager, celui-ci
 ne démarrer plus avec les autres services de la machine.Je dois une fois
 dans ma session, exécuter un
 
  sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager start
 
  pour que tout rentre dans l'ordre, idéalement après avoir copier le
 resolv.conf correspondant au réseau où je me trouve ;-)
 
  Quelqu'un d'autre expériment-t-il ce problème ?
  Où puis-je trouver de l'info pertinent sur les choses à vérifier dans
 systemd pour comprendre comment activer certains services au démarrage ?
 
  Belle journée à vous tou(te)s,
 
  Sébastien
 
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Re: Testing - problème de resolv.conf [SOLV ED]

2014-08-13 Thread nb



Le Mercredi 13 Août 2014 10:08 CEST, Francois Mescam franc...@mescam.org a 
écrit:

 Bizarre ce que tu décris ne correspond pas à ce que j'observe sur ma
 machine. J'ai un fichier /etc/resolv.conf qui n'est pas un lien et qui
 est mis à jour par network-manager. Par ailleurs je n'ai pas de

 /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf.

 Je n'ai pas le paquet resolvconf d'installé, c'est peut-être la notre
 différence.

C'est bien ça.
resolv.conf - /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf

nb

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Re: Testing - problème de resolv.conf [SOLV ED]

2014-08-13 Thread Jean-Claude MARQUES
Le 13/08/2014 11:20, nb a écrit :
Bonjour


  
  
  
 Le Mercredi 13 Août 2014 10:08 CEST, Francois Mescam franc...@mescam.org a 
 écrit: 
  
 Bizarre ce que tu décris ne correspond pas à ce que j'observe sur ma
 machine. J'ai un fichier /etc/resolv.conf qui n'est pas un lien et qui
 est mis à jour par network-manager. Par ailleurs je n'ai pas de
 /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf.

 Je n'ai pas le paquet resolvconf d'installé, c'est peut-être la notre
 différence.
Le lien :
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 déc.  23  2013 /etc/resolv.conf -
/etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
est mis en place par l'utilitaire resolvconf (sans . entre resolv et
conf) du paquet resolvconf.

Ce paquet permet de générer le fichier resolv.conf à partir des
informations fournies par network-manager (si celui-là est encore
installé sur le système !), par le fichier /etc/network/interfaces...

Sinon, man reolvconf

Cordialement

Jean-Claude

 C'est bien ça.
 resolv.conf - /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf

 nb


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Re: montar memoria flash

2014-08-13 Thread Debian GMail

El 12/08/14 08:50, l...@ida.cu escribió:

Buenos días a todos

Tengo una duda pero es de Zentyal se que esta lista es de Debian pero
bueno es linux igual 

Mi duda es la siguiente en Zentyal 2.2 yo inserto una memoria usb y la
reconoce el PCMAN y la monta perfectamente, en la versión 3.5 de Zentyal
no lo hace, no la monta.. alguna idea ??

No se si tiene que ver algo en el fstab ...???

Agradezco toda ayuda.






Luis, fijate por las dudas si tenés instalado udisks y udisks2

Es el demonio que trabaja sobre D-Bus y se encarga del control de 
montaje memorias USB, ahora que HAL ha sido discontinuado de Debian y de 
los herederos de Debian.


JAP


PD: Ante un comentario de alguno que se las da de griego, El mundo está 
lleno de estúpidos (Cicerón). Y por tu acotación, sos uno más del 
montón. No sé de dónde serás, pero por mis pagos, una frase como la tuya 
termina con un puñetazo en la nariz.



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[SOLUCIONADO] Re: Tarjeta de sonido

2014-08-13 Thread Jose Maldonado

El 12/08/14 21:19, Rantis Cares escribió:

Debianeros:

Gracias, ya no se tomen la molestia, ya corregi el problema, ¡¡¡Ya
estoy grabando perfectamente, se escucha maravillosamente la
grabacion!!!.

Corregi el error en la linea que les comente.

Instale

apt-get install alsa-source alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils

Posteriomente me fui a entorno grafico de OSSMIXER ahi configure la
entrada de ganancia, elegi el microfono y listo.

PROBLEMA RESUELTO.
Graicas

El día 12 de agosto de 2014, 19:42, Rantis Cares
rantisca...@gmail.com escribió:

Ya corregi el el problema del archivo

ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 
Ve�sion: 0.8.0-1
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 

Lo cambie por
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 
Version: 0.8.0-1
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 

El simbolo es el que me estaba dando el error pero sigo sin poder
meter sonido por la tarjeta.

El día 12 de agosto de 2014, 19:32, Rantis Cares
rantisca...@gmail.com escribió:

Excelente y lluviosa tarde a todos ustedes amigos Debianeros:

Tenia tiempo que no escribia debido a que tengo que ganarme el
sustento de cada dia.

Hoy les deseo pedir ayuda para resolver el siguiente problema que
tengo con la maquina principal de mi trabajo.

Es necesario grabar todas y cada una de las conferencias que aqui se
dan. Tenemos una mezcladora y todo excelente, se puede grabar con
calidad profesional.

La cuestion es que para facilitar el trabajo debo grabar en la maquina
principal para luego ser enviada por ftp al disco duro de la empresa.
La cuestion es que al usar el comando rec, no graba, supongo que es la
configuracion de la tarjeta de sonido.

Ya estuve leyendo en la red y no encuentro la respuesta, se supone que
es sencillo, pero no lo he logrado aunque en ocasiones anteriores no
he tenido problemas para ello.

rec PRUEBA.wav

La grabacion es muy comun, la hago casi a diario, pero en esta maquina
me esta dando mucha lata. En otras maquinas no tengo ningun problema,
pero aqui no he podido.


intento instalar mediante:

apt-get install alsa-source alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils

Preconfigurando paquetes ...
dpkg: error en el análisis, en el fichero `/var/lib/dpkg/status' cerca
de la línea 12694 paquete `bleachbit':
  falta version
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)


ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 
Package: bleachbit
Status: deinstall ok config-files
Priority: optional
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 1564
Maintainer: Luca Falavigna dktrkr...@debian.org
Architecture: all
Ve�sion: 0.8.0-1
Config-Version: 0.8.0-1
Depends: python (= 2.4), python-support (= 0.90.0), python-gtk2,
python-glade2, python-gnome2
Recommends: python-notify, menu
Description: delete unnecessary files from the system
  BleachBit deletes unnecessary files to free valuable disk space, maintain
  privacy, and remove junk. It removes cache, Internet history, temporary files,
  cookies, and broken shortcuts.
  .
  It handles cleaning of Adobe Reader, Bash, Beagle, Epiphany, Firefox, Flash,
  GIMP, Google Earth, Java, KDE, OpenOffice.org, Opera, RealPlayer, rpmbuild,
  Second Life Viewer, VIM, XChat, and more.
  .
  Beyond simply erasing junk files, BleachBit wipes free disk space (to hide
  previously deleted files for privacy and to improve compression of images),
  vacuums Firefox databases (to improve performance without deleting data), and
  securely shreds arbitrary files.
Homepage: http://bleachbit.sourceforge.net
ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 

Tambien verifique el tipo de tarjeta de sonido

lspci

00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2)
00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)

Alguna idea?

Gracias

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Re: Tarjeta de sonido

2014-08-13 Thread Camaleón
El Tue, 12 Aug 2014 19:32:06 -0500, Rantis Cares escribió:

(...)

Ya leo que has conseguido instalar los paquetes de ALSA y has podido 
grabar sin problemas, pero te comento algunas cosas por si le sirven a a 
quien venga detrás.

 La cuestion es que para facilitar el trabajo debo grabar en la maquina
 principal para luego ser enviada por ftp al disco duro de la empresa.
 La cuestion es que al usar el comando rec, no graba, supongo que es la
 configuracion de la tarjeta de sonido.
 
 Ya estuve leyendo en la red y no encuentro la respuesta, se supone que
 es sencillo, pero no lo he logrado aunque en ocasiones anteriores no he
 tenido problemas para ello.
 
 rec PRUEBA.wav
 
 La grabacion es muy comun, la hago casi a diario, pero en esta maquina
 me esta dando mucha lata. En otras maquinas no tengo ningun problema,
 pero aqui no he podido.

Antes de nada, rec no es un paquete que se suela instalar de manera 
predeterminada ya que viene con la utilidad sox, es decir, que nadie se 
asombre si no lo encuentra instalado en su sistema.

Los comandos convencionales para probar la funcionalidad básica de 
grabación y reproducción de audio son aplay/arecord respectivamente.

 intento instalar mediante:
 
 apt-get install alsa-source alsa-base alsa-oss alsa-utils

Un momento... ¿no tenías esos paquetes ya instalados? :-?

Yo sólo tengo en mi sistema Wheezy (con XFCE) dos paquetes de alsa:

- alsa-base
- alsa-utils

Así que entiendo que el resto son opcionales (alsa-source son las 
fuentes y sirve para compilar el paquete si quieres cambiar alguna cosa y 
alsa-oss permite la integración de ALSA con aplicaciones que usen OSS 
que cada vez serán menos).

 Preconfigurando paquetes ...
 dpkg: error en el análisis, en el fichero `/var/lib/dpkg/status' cerca
 de la línea 12694 paquete `bleachbit':
  falta version
 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
 
 
 ARCHIVO /var/lib/dpkg/status 
 Package: bleachbit 
 Status: deinstall ok config-files 
  ^

(...)

Bueno, este error nada tiene que ver con ALSA o el problema de sonido, 
simplemente tienes un paquete (bleachbit) con un archivo de configuración 
corrupto -como ya has visto y corregido- que te está entorpeciendo el uso 
del gestor de paquetes (dpkg) y que además parece que has marcado para 
eliminar.

 Tambien verifique el tipo de tarjeta de sonido
 
 lspci
 
 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio
 (rev a2)
 00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP61 IDE (rev a2)
 00:07.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
 
 Alguna idea?

Hombre, pues lo principal para tener sonido es instalar los controladores 
de sonido para que el kernel detecte el hardware, lo configure y lo 
puedas usar.

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Re: OT: Como montar NFS con un User y contraseña

2014-08-13 Thread Camaleón
El Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:58:26 -0300, Ricardo escribió:

 Hola Lista

Ese html...

 Tengo una caja  NAS con 4 TB de disco, tiene la opción de compartir por
 NFS ya compartí una carpeta con permisos full es decir Lectura y
 escritura.

El problema radica en determinar si esos permisos full han sido 
configurados correctamente ;-)
 
 trato de montar con estos comandos:
 
 [root@srv-xen-rrhh ~]# mount -v -t nfs 192.168.3.131:/Backups /mnt/
 
 mount: trying 192.168.3.131 prog 13 vers 3 prot tcp port 2049
 
 mount: trying 192.168.3.131 prog 15 vers 3 prot udp port 56001
 
 mount: 192.168.3.131:/Backups failed, reason given by server: Permission
 denied
 
 [root@srv-xen-rrhh ~]#
 
 Como verán me dice acceso denegado como lo puedo pesarla al comando el
 usuario y pass para que se conecte correctamente?

Pues hombre, yo empezaría por man 5 nfs y luego miraría los errores más 
comunes para montar recursos NFS:

7.3. Unable to mount a file system
http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s07.html

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Re: OT: Como montar NFS con un User y contraseña

2014-08-13 Thread Sergio Villalba
Una opción

mountpoint -q /backups ||  mount -t cifs -o
username=ftp,password=mipasswd,iocharset=utf8,uid=2001,gid=2001,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0770
//192.168.3.131/Backups /backups

Saludos,


El 13 de agosto de 2014, 15:56, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:58:26 -0300, Ricardo escribió:

  Hola Lista

 Ese html...

  Tengo una caja  NAS con 4 TB de disco, tiene la opción de compartir por
  NFS ya compartí una carpeta con permisos full es decir Lectura y
  escritura.

 El problema radica en determinar si esos permisos full han sido
 configurados correctamente ;-)

  trato de montar con estos comandos:
 
  [root@srv-xen-rrhh ~]# mount -v -t nfs 192.168.3.131:/Backups /mnt/
 
  mount: trying 192.168.3.131 prog 13 vers 3 prot tcp port 2049
 
  mount: trying 192.168.3.131 prog 15 vers 3 prot udp port 56001
 
  mount: 192.168.3.131:/Backups failed, reason given by server: Permission
  denied
 
  [root@srv-xen-rrhh ~]#
 
  Como verán me dice acceso denegado como lo puedo pesarla al comando el
  usuario y pass para que se conecte correctamente?

 Pues hombre, yo empezaría por man 5 nfs y luego miraría los errores más
 comunes para montar recursos NFS:

 7.3. Unable to mount a file system
 http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s07.html

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Re: OT: Como montar NFS con un User y contraseña

2014-08-13 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:53:22 +0200, Sergio Villalba escribió:

(corrijo el html y el top-posting)

 El 13 de agosto de 2014, 15:56, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 
 El Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:58:26 -0300, Ricardo escribió:

  Hola Lista

 Ese html...

  Tengo una caja  NAS con 4 TB de disco, tiene la opción de compartir
  por NFS ya compartí una carpeta con permisos full es decir Lectura y
  escritura.

 El problema radica en determinar si esos permisos full han sido
 configurados correctamente ;-)

(...)

 Una opción
 
 mountpoint -q /backups ||  mount -t cifs -o 
 username=ftp,password=mipasswd,iocharset=utf8,uid=2001,gid=2001,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0770
  //192.168.3.131/Backups /backups
   ^^^   

Pero eso es samba, no NFS. Antes tendría que configurar el NAS para 
habilitar el acceso vía samba.

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Re: OT: Como montar NFS con un User y contraseña

2014-08-13 Thread Ricardo
El día 13 de agosto de 2014, 12:22, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:53:22 +0200, Sergio Villalba escribió:

 (corrijo el html y el top-posting)

 El 13 de agosto de 2014, 15:56, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:58:26 -0300, Ricardo escribió:

  Hola Lista

 Ese html...

  Tengo una caja  NAS con 4 TB de disco, tiene la opción de compartir
  por NFS ya compartí una carpeta con permisos full es decir Lectura y
  escritura.

 El problema radica en determinar si esos permisos full han sido
 configurados correctamente ;-)

 (...)

 Una opción

 mountpoint -q /backups ||  mount -t cifs -o 
 username=ftp,password=mipasswd,iocharset=utf8,uid=2001,gid=2001,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0770
  //192.168.3.131/Backups /backups
^^^

 Pero eso es samba, no NFS. Antes tendría que configurar el NAS para
 habilitar el acceso vía samba.

 Saludos,

 --
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Gracias por responder!

Tengo habilitado Samba en la caja NAS, ustedes que me recomiendan via
samba (cifs) o por NFS?
pregunto para que tenga buen rendimiento a la hora de hacer los backups.

Gracias nuevamente por guiarme

Saludos

Ricardo

Nota: Camaleón, uso Modo texto sin formato de gamil, no se porque te
sale en formato html..


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Re: OT: Como montar NFS con un User y contraseña

2014-08-13 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:15:53 -0300, Ricardo escribió:

 El día 13 de agosto de 2014, 12:22, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:
 El Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:53:22 +0200, Sergio Villalba escribió:

(...)

 Una opción

 mountpoint -q /backups ||  mount -t cifs -o
 
username=ftp,password=mipasswd,iocharset=utf8,uid=2001,gid=2001,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0770
 //192.168.3.131/Backups /backups
^^^

 Pero eso es samba, no NFS. Antes tendría que configurar el NAS para
 habilitar el acceso vía samba.

 Gracias por responder!
 
 Tengo habilitado Samba en la caja NAS, ustedes que me recomiendan via
 samba (cifs) o por NFS?
 pregunto para que tenga buen rendimiento a la hora de hacer los backups.

Pues haz pruebas. Habilita las dos opciones, monta los recursos en local 
y copia unos cuantos archivos gordotes para ver cuánto tiempo le cuesta a 
cada uno. 

Yo en mi cutre-NAS tengo las opciones de FTP, SAMBA y NFS y al final opté 
por FTP porque las copias son de 20 GiB y samba se quedaba colgado. NFS 
nunca me ha gustado y FTP aunque no sea la panacea y sea lentorro al 
menos no me deja la copia a la mitad.
 
 Nota: Camaleón, uso Modo texto sin formato de gamil, no se porque te
 sale en formato html..

Porque te guarda la última opción que uses, lo habrás cambiado a html y 
no te habrás dado cuenta. El webmail de Gmail es una patata para usarlo 
en listas de correo.

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Actualizar Adobe Flash mediante flashplugin-nonfree

2014-08-13 Thread Javier Silva
Hola,
debido a que por diversos motivos necesito el uso de flash player en
el navegador, hoy me he dispuesto a actualizar dicho plugin mediante
el uso de la herramienta flashplugin-nonfree y me encuentro que al
actualizar [1], aunque reconoce que hay una nueva versión, no es capaz
de instalar la nueva versión. El archivo que descarga con la
información sobre la nueva versión que debería instalar, procede de
[2] y su contenido es el que aparece justo debajo del enlace que he
dejado.

Creo entender que la información necesaria para que pueda actualizarse
dicho plugin depende de una actualización manual de un desarrollador y
no de un proceso automático.

Existe una licencia para la distribución del plugin flash en intranets
y soporte de físico de CD/DVD, la cual no necesita de una url
variable, a diferencia de este método de descarga, pero la cual no
parece poder utilizarse para descargar desde este plugin. Tampoco
puedo publicar la URL (que por otro lado no necesita ningún tipo de
validación de usuario/contraseña), ya que la licencia me lo impide.
Podéis leer [3] una copia del párrafo que me impide publicar dicha
url.

Esto más que una solicitud de ayuda, es para intercambiar información
respecto al tema tratado, pues he visto que en abril ya se hizo una
consulta por este mismo tema a la lista y supongo que este problema de
no poder actualizar el plugin, quedará resuelto en cuando el
desarrollador actualice dicha información.

Algún comentario respecto a este tema?

Un saludo y gracias a tod@s por la atención prestada,
Javier Silva.


--- [1] ---

# update-flashplugin-nonfree --install --verbose
options :  --install --verbose --
temporary directory: /tmp/flashplugin-nonfree.T4kknjGwDW
importing public key ...
selected action = --install
installed version = 11.2.202.394
upstream version = 11.2.202.400
wgetoptions= -nd -P .   -v --progress=dot:default
downloading 
http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc
...
--2014-08-13 20:47:36--
http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc
Resolviendo people.debian.org (people.debian.org)... 5.153.231.30,
2001:41c8:1000:21::21:30
Conectando con people.debian.org
(people.debian.org)[5.153.231.30]:80... conectado.
Petición HTTP enviada, esperando respuesta... 301 Moved Permanently
Localización: 
https://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc
[siguiendo]
--2014-08-13 20:47:36--
https://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc
p11-kit: invalid config filename, will be ignored in the future:
/etc/pkcs11/modules/gnome-keyring-module
Conectando con people.debian.org
(people.debian.org)[5.153.231.30]:443... conectado.
Petición HTTP enviada, esperando respuesta... 200 OK
Longitud: 1256 (1,2K) [text/plain]
Grabando a: “./fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc”

 0K . 100% 5,29M=0s

2014-08-13 20:47:37 (5,29 MB/s) - “./fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc”
guardado [1256/1256]

verifying PGP fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc ...
copying 
/var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz
...
verifying checksum install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz ...
wgetoptions= -nd -P .   -v --progress=dot:default  -O
/tmp/flashplugin-nonfree.T4kknjGwDW/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz
downloading 
http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/pdc/11.2.202.394/install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz
...
verifying checksum install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz ...
unpacking install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz ...
verifying checksum contents of install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz ...
moving libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree ...
setting permissions and ownership of
/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so ...
Flash Player version: 11.2.202.394
moving install_flash_player_11_linux.x86_64.tar.gz to
/var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree ...
flash-mozilla.so - modo automático
 el enlace apunta actualmente a /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so - prioridad 50
Actualmente la «mejor» versión es
`/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so'.
calling update-alternatives ...
flash-mozilla.so - modo automático
 el enlace apunta actualmente a /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so - prioridad 50
Actualmente la «mejor» versión es
`/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so'.
already exists: /usr/bin/flash-player-properties
already exists: /usr/share/applications/flash-player-properties.desktop
already exists: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/flash-player-properties.png
already exists: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/flash-player-properties.png
already exists: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/apps/flash-player-properties.png
already exists: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/flash-player-properties.png
already exists: 

Re: chat

2014-08-13 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá del INOR
ircd es facil y bueno
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Instalando Chrome en una NetBook Acer C7

2014-08-13 Thread Eduardo R. Barrera Pérez
Hola a todos, tengo un amigo que tiene una NetBook que se le daño el 
sistema con el que vino instalada, el sistema operativo de google 
(chrome) hemos encontrado una guía de instalación [1] para instalar 
desde una memoria USB o desde una SD. Dicha NetBook tiene un procesador 
con arquitectura ARM, por lo que tratamos de hacer lo siguiente desde la 
consola de un Linux Mint 17


# wget http://goo.gl/34v87; sudo bash 34v87 /dev/mmcblk1*

*Pero vimos que intentaba acceder a servidores de google que están 
bloqueados para Cuba para descargar un scripts [2] el cual descarga una 
serie de paquetes que utiliza para crear el USB booteable, ya que no 
podíamos acceder, se me ocurrio instalar el Tor Browser para poder tener 
acceso a esos servidores bloqueados para mi bloque IP en Cuba, pero Tor 
monta en el 127.0.0.1 del equipo local (Linux Mint 17) un proxy tipo 
socks 5 que no es un proxy http, por lo que tuve problemas para 
configurar wget para que usar el proxy de tor, luego un amigo me hablo 
de una herramienta llamada tsocks, la instale y configure y listo, sin 
tener que configurar nada en wgetrc y usando la herramienta tsocks logre 
descargar cosas desde servidores en internet que también están 
bloqueados para cuba, como es el caso de Oracle y pude descargar sin 
problema la versión de NetBeans, por lo que la cosa funciona, pero 
cuando ejecuto:


# wget http://goo.gl/34v87; sudo bash 34v87 /dev/sdd*
*
El tipo se conecta, pero obtengo esto:

ebprz@gandalf ~ $ sudo tsocks wget http://goo.gl/34v87; sudo bash 34v87 
/dev/sdd


--2014-08-13 19:29:43--  http://goo.gl/34v87
Resolviendo goo.gl (goo.gl)... 173.194.43.64, 173.194.43.65, 
173.194.43.66, ...

Conectando con goo.gl (goo.gl)[173.194.43.64]:80... conectado.
Petición HTTP enviada, esperando respuesta... 301 Moved Permanently
Ubicación: http://cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com/files/arm-chrubuntu-3.sh 
[siguiente]
--2014-08-13 19:29:46-- 
http://cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com/files/arm-chrubuntu-3.sh
Resolviendo cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com (cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com)... 
74.125.201.82, 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::52
Conectando con cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com 
(cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com)[74.125.201.82]:80... conectado.

Petición HTTP enviada, esperando respuesta... 200 OK
Longitud: 8388 (8,2K) [text/plain]
Grabando a: “34v87.3”

100%[==] 
8.388   --.-K/s   en 0,04s


2014-08-13 19:29:49 (208 KB/s) - “34v87.3” guardado [8388/8388]

34v87: línea 3: crossystem: orden no encontrada
34v87: línea 12: return: sólo se puede usar `return' en una función o un 
guión leído con `source'

34v87: línea 18: crossystem: orden no encontrada
Press [Enter] to continue...
initctl: Unknown job: powerd
initctl: Unknown job: powerd
initctl: Unknown job: powerm
initctl: Unknown job: powerm
Press [Enter] to install ChrUbuntu on /dev/sdd or CTRL+C to quit
34v87: línea 59: cgpt: orden no encontrada
34v87: línea 60: cgpt: orden no encontrada
34v87: línea 61: cgpt: orden no encontrada
34v87: línea 65: crossystem: orden no encontrada
mkdir: no se puede crear el directorio «/mnt/stateful_partition/ubuntu»: 
No existe el archivo o el directorio
34v87: línea 139: cd: /mnt/stateful_partition/ubuntu: No existe el 
archivo o el directorio
--2014-08-13 19:29:56-- 
http://cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com/files/ubuntu-1204-arm.binaa.bz2.sha1
Resolviendo cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com (cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com)... 
74.125.201.82, 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::52
Conectando con cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com 
(cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com)[74.125.201.82]:80... conectado.

Petición HTTP enviada, esperando respuesta... 403 Forbidden
2014-08-13 19:29:57 ERROR 403: Forbidden.

cat: ubuntu-1204-arm.binaa.bz2.sha1: No existe el archivo o el directorio
rm: no se puede borrar «ubuntu-1204-arm.binaa.bz2.sha1»: No existe el 
archivo o el directorio
--2014-08-13 19:29:57-- 
http://cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com/files/ubuntu-1204-arm.binaa.bz2.sha1
Resolviendo cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com (cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com)... 
74.125.201.82, 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::52
Conectando con cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com 
(cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com)[74.125.201.82]:80... conectado.

Petición HTTP enviada, esperando respuesta... 403 Forbidden
2014-08-13 19:29:58 ERROR 403: Forbidden.

cat: ubuntu-1204-arm.binaa.bz2.sha1: No existe el archivo o el directorio
rm: no se puede borrar «ubuntu-1204-arm.binaa.bz2.sha1»: No existe el 
archivo o el directorio
--2014-08-13 19:29:58-- 
http://cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com/files/ubuntu-1204-arm.binaa.bz2.sha1
Resolviendo cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com (cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com)... 
74.125.201.82, 2607:f8b0:4001:c01::52
Conectando con cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com 
(cr-48-ubuntu.googlecode.com)[74.125.201.82]:80... conectado.

Petición HTTP enviada, esperando respuesta... 403 Forbidden
2014-08-13 19:29:59 ERROR 403: Forbidden.

cat: ubuntu-1204-arm.binaa.bz2.sha1: No existe el archivo o el directorio

Re: Instalando Chrome en una NetBook Acer C7

2014-08-13 Thread Felix Perez
El día 13 de agosto de 2014, 19:33, Eduardo R. Barrera Pérez
ebpr...@yahoo.es escribió:
 Hola a todos, tengo un amigo que tiene una NetBook que se le daño el sistema
 con el que vino instalada, el sistema operativo de google (chrome) hemos
 encontrado una guía de instalación [1] para instalar desde una memoria USB o
 desde una SD. Dicha NetBook tiene un procesador con arquitectura ARM, por lo
 que tratamos de hacer lo siguiente desde la consola de un Linux Mint 17

 # wget http://goo.gl/34v87; sudo bash 34v87 /dev/mmcblk1

 Pero vimos que intentaba acceder a servidores de google que están bloqueados
 para Cuba para descargar un scripts [2] el cual descarga una serie de
 paquetes que utiliza para crear el USB booteable, ya que no podíamos
 acceder, se me ocurrio instalar el Tor Browser para poder tener acceso a
 esos servidores bloqueados para mi bloque IP en Cuba, pero Tor monta en el
 127.0.0.1 del equipo local (Linux Mint 17) un proxy tipo socks 5 que no es
 un proxy http, por lo que tuve problemas para configurar wget para que usar
 el proxy de tor, luego un amigo me hablo de una herramienta llamada tsocks,
 la instale y configure y listo, sin tener que configurar nada en wgetrc y
 usando la herramienta tsocks logre descargar cosas desde servidores en
 internet que también están bloqueados para cuba, como es el caso de Oracle y
 pude descargar sin problema la versión de NetBeans, por lo que la cosa
 funciona, pero cuando ejecuto:

 # wget http://goo.gl/34v87; sudo bash 34v87 /dev/sdd




 Alguna idea de que pueda estar pasando?? Todos esos paquetes que el scripts
 que se descarga primero, si acceso a la URL desde el propio navegador que
 está usando tor para salir, abre al palo y puedo descargar los ficheros sin
 problema, el problema está en que son una pila...


Así a la primera ...m

Ahhh, ya se, te equivocaste de lista.


Y seguimos, de mal en peor.

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lite kul föredrag (Linux Sucks 2014)

2014-08-13 Thread jan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pOxlazS3zs


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Re: lite kul föredrag (Linux Sucks 2014)

2014-08-13 Thread Rolf Edlund
2014-08-13 20:06 GMT+02:00  j...@lillahusetiskogen.se:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pOxlazS3zs

Jo, han år lite smått galen den där Bryan Lunduke. Killen var under
flera år, en av medlemmarna i Linux Action Show. Bland det roligaste
jag sett där, var när dom skulle intervjua RSM. Lunduke blev under
programmets gång, mer och mer förbannad på RSM (helt förståligt.).
Tillslut var han knallröd i ansiktet av ilska.


http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/17822/richard-stallman-gnulas-s20e10/

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Re: lite kul föredrag (Linux Sucks 2014)

2014-08-13 Thread Rolf Edlund
Sorry Jan. Blev lite fel där.

Vill ni se videon, så klicka på länken !

Den 13 augusti 2014 22:48 skrev Rolf Edlund rolfew...@gmail.com:
 2014-08-13 20:06 GMT+02:00  j...@lillahusetiskogen.se:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pOxlazS3zs

 Jo, han år lite smått galen den där Bryan Lunduke. Killen var under
 flera år, en av medlemmarna i Linux Action Show. Bland det roligaste
 jag sett där, var när dom skulle intervjua RSM. Lunduke blev under
 programmets gång, mer och mer förbannad på RSM (helt förståligt.).
 Tillslut var han knallröd i ansiktet av ilska.


 http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/17822/richard-stallman-gnulas-s20e10/

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Re: skype

2014-08-13 Thread Rodolfo
Eu uso o Pidgin, conhece ?


Em 12 de agosto de 2014 19:57, Manoel Pedro de Araújo mpara...@gmail.com
escreveu:

 Estava com este problema de conexão no skype. Desisntalei a versão
 anterior, em seguida baixei a versão atual no site skype e instalei.
 Consegui a gora conectar normalmente.


 Em 12 de agosto de 2014 11:24, Shutdown -h now sh11td...@gmail.com
 escreveu:

 Caros,

 A recomendação que fiz acima (de instalar o pacote 'skype'  via
 gerenciador de pacotes, está EQUIVOCADA)

 Peço desculpas por isso.

 Realmente, conforme outros amigos mencionaram acima, o ideal no momento,
 é baixar o pacote disponível no website oficial do Skype.

 Att,


 Em 11 de agosto de 2014 08:18, Leandro de Lima Camargo 
 leandro...@icloud.com escreveu:

 Bom dia.
 Estou com o Debian Wheezy e só resolvi desinstalando e instalando
 novamente.
 Pelo menos pra mim, não deu certo atualizar.
 apt-get autoremove --purge skype
 dpkg -i *pacote-skype*


  Atenciosamente
 Leandro de Lima Camargo


 2014-08-11 8:14 GMT-03:00 Leandro de Lima Camargo 
 leandrobach...@gmail.com:

 Bom dia.
 Estou com o Debian Wheezy e só resolvi desinstalando e instalando
 novamente.
 Pelo menos pra mim, não deu certo atualizar.
 apt-get autoremove --purge skype
 dpkg -i *pacote-skype*


 Atenciosamente
 Leandro de Lima Camargo


 2014-08-10 23:00 GMT-03:00 G.Paulo linu...@terra.com.br:


 Microsoft disponibilizou nova versão do Skype. Se você usa o Debian
 Weezy, como eu, não adianta apt-get upgrade, porque a versão atual do
 respositório não é aceita mais pelo Skype. Se você usa o Debian testing,
 então, talvez 

 A solução definitiva é baixar a versao do site do Skype e intalá-la. O
 problema é que, se antes o Skype era caixa-preta, agora deve ser
 caixa-preta com olhos e ouvidos a serviço da Microsoft.
 Alguém precisa criar uma outra opção. Urgentemente.
 sds
 G.Paulo.


 On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:03:24 -0300
 Andre N Batista andrenbati...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 12:57:03PM +, jmhenri...@yahoo.com.br
  wrote:
   Atualize o skype.
  
   Enviado pelo meu aparelho BlackBerry®
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Cecilia Gonzalez ceciepr...@gmail.com
   Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 09:55:40
   To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
   Subject: skype
  
   Caros,alguem pode me ajudar?O meu skype sempre funcionou
   normalmente,e agora ,me pede senha e quando coloco diz,o skype não
   conseguiu conectar se. Ja tentei pesquisar na internet e ate
   troquei a senha mais nada,nem com a senha nova nem com a
   antiga,continua na mesma. Alguém sabe que esta acontecendo?
   Grata a vcs pela ajuda.
  
 
  Se a atualização não funcionar, o que eu sei é que recentemente houve
  uma grande thread sobre o skype na lista internacional. Não
 acompanhei
  porque não uso skype, mas dê uma olhada para ver se o seu problema se
  relaciona:
 
  Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7 -
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/08/msg00061.html


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Re: apt-get não atualiza pacote

2014-08-13 Thread Rafael Teixeira Duarte
Bom dia,

observe que seu repositório http://http.debian.net/debian retorna um Not
found quando acessado.

Eu particularmente gosto de manter o sources.list mais enxuto, geralmente
com apenas duas linhas:

deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free

Tente esse pra ver se resolve o seu problema

Ps.: Essas sources.list de muitas linhas me lembram Ubuntu.


2014-08-12 20:19 GMT-03:00 Vitor Hugo vitorhug...@hotmail.com:


 applein@debian:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
 #

 # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 NETINST
 Binary-1 20120930-15:55]/ squeeze main

 #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 NETINST
 Binary-1 20120930-15:55]/ squeeze main

 deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main
 deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main

 deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free
 deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free

 deb http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free
 #deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-fre

 deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
 deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main

 # squeeze-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
 deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main
 deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main
 applein@debian:~$
 applein@debian:~$
 On 11-08-2014 21:07, henrique.mati...@gmail.com wrote:

 Se voce utilizar o aptitude acho que vai atualizar. Tambem acontecia isso
 comigo ai abandonei o apt-get.

 On August 11, 2014 5:23:53 PM GMT-03:00, Vitor Hugo
 vitorhug...@hotmail.com vitorhug...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Atingido http://http.debian.net squeeze-lts/non-free i386 Packages
 Lendo listas de pacotes... Pronto
 Lendo listas de pacotes... Pronto
 Construindo árvore de dependências
 Lendo informação de estado... Pronto
 Os pacotes a seguir serão mantidos em suas versões atuais:
   python-reportbug reportbug
 0 pacotes atualizados, 0 pacotes novos instalados, 0 a serem removidos e
 2 não atualizados.
 applein@debian:~$


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Re: Towards an instructive minimalist intall of Openbox

2014-08-13 Thread Bob Proulx
Brian wrote:
 Richard Owlett wrote:
  It would more resemble Who pulls which string when?
  In one iteration of my experiments I had been burned by not adding
  exec openbox as last line of xinitrc.

The man page for xinit says:

   An important point is that programs which are run by .xinitrc should be
   run in the background if they do not exit  right  away,  so  that  they
   don't prevent other programs from starting up.  However, the last long-
   lived program started (usually a window manager or  terminal  emulator)
   should  be  left in the foreground so that the script won't exit (which
   indicates that the user is done and that xinit should exit).

And so there is the explanation.  If the .xinitrc script exits then
that indicates to xinit that the user is done and that xinit should
exit, ending the X windows session.  Therefore we put the window
manager at the end and run it in the foreground not the background.

  What other scripts are run
  at boot that would affect whether Openbox runs correctly [quotes
  significant].
 
 A correctly set up X on Debian uses ~/.xsession and not ~/.xinitrc.
 (I kept the quotes because you said they are significant).

Brian, I can't tell if you are joking or not.  :-)  But obviously a
correctly set up X could use either a .xsession file or a .xinitrc
file.  The choice depends upon what is trying to be achieved.  And
I know you are aware that there is also the .xsessionrc file too.

I use a .xsession file when using one of the xdm programs.  But since
recently when gnome and gdm abandoned my hardware I have been using
xinit again and an .xinitrc file.  It is working correctly in that
combination.

Richard, Openbox has its own config file.  So of course after openbox
starts it will read ~/.config/openbox/*.  Those files will also affect
openbox.

Bob


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Re: Towards an instructive minimalist intall of Openbox

2014-08-13 Thread saint
Bob Proulx writes:
  And so there is the explanation.  If the .xinitrc script exits then
  that indicates to xinit that the user is done and that xinit should
  exit, ending the X windows session.  Therefore we put the window
  manager at the end and run it in the foreground not the background.

Once upon a long ago (Linux version number was below 0) I used to have
an xterm -C or an xconsole as last instruction in my .xinitrc file I
was working on a Sun workstation and not having it meant having a mess
on the root window any time some output reached the console (i.e. talk
request from someuser@onemachine).

Then Linus wrote the virtual consoles (and then it was a very good
thing) and Linux users lost the ability to see console message in X11,
at least AFAIK. I wonder if have things changed, if someone devised a
way to have the console output visible in an X11 window under
GNU/Linux.

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Re: calendar world cup (portuguese) and others

2014-08-13 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 04:43:46PM -0300, Beco wrote:
Hi guys,
Last semester I made some calendars.
Specially a brazilian one, that is not current on the system.
I wonder, to whom should I send them, to ask Debian to keep them in the
next version?
Thanks!
Beco.
PS. Bellow a teaser. If you like, please save as a plain text file under
the directory cited:
-- 
root@camelo:/usr/share/calendar/pt_BR# cat calendar.copa2014 

/usr/share/calendar appears to be owned by the bsdmainutils package. I
would suggest filing a wishlist bug against that package with your file
attached.



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Re: Debian Jessie Release

2014-08-13 Thread Sven Hartge
Richard Hector rich...@walnut.gen.nz wrote:
 On 11/08/14 06:05, Sven Hartge wrote:

 The release will be sometimes after that, probably in the spring.

 Ahem. Spring happens at different times in different places (if at
 all).  I don't consider it an appropriate description on an
 international list ;-)

Right. I meant the northern hemisphere spring, months March to July.

Grüße,
Sven.

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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-13 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Paul E Condon
pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:

 I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed
 use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a
 bug in the script that fails to evaluate the variable USER and
 therefore fails to print the name of the user (aka. owner) of the
 stopped job in Session 2.

The wording's probably derived from the fact that it's a systemctl
stop ... job that's failing.


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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-13 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:15:22AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 On 8/13/14, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:
  I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed
  use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a
 
 That would definitely be clearer.
 
 I was interpreting it as some special systemd shutdown-ey thing which
 runs around trying to stop things, and that there might be various of
 these, and one of them has a problem.

Yes, I believe this is the correct interpretation. SystemD will tell all
services  to stop.  It will  then wait  until all  those sevices  have
stopped. Some  services will  stop immediately, but  some need  a little
longer to  flush logs, finish servicing  a request or whatever.  After a
period of seconds, it appears that SystemD  will pop up a message to the
effect  of I'm  still  here,  still responding.  I'm  just waiting  for
service X to tell me it has stopped. Given what was said earlier in the
thread, I  suspect this will  continue for  90 seconds until  it finally
gives up waiting.

 
 I.e. stop job being a noun.

Stop Command,  perhaps? Stop-Service  command would be  even clearer
(though  that  literal  command   doesn't  exist).  Perhaps  a  complete
rewording to Still waiting for Service  $FOO in Session 2 of User $USER
to stop would be clearest.



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Re: Irony

2014-08-13 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2014-08-12, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 16:46:38 -0500
 John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote:

 Charles Kroeger writes:
  You know what they say, If you're not a communist when you're young,
  there's something wrong with your heart.
 
 Churchill: If you're not a liberal when you're young there's something
 wrong with your heart.  If you're not a conservative when you're old
 there's something wrong with your brain.

 FTR, it's not clear that Churchill actually said it, and it is pretty
 clear that versions of it predate him:

 http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=374518


Also note that the British meaning of liberal is different from its
meaning in the US, and was even more so in the early 20th century. So
the quotation wouldn't have had the same resonance that it might have
to a modern reader.

Moreover, Churhcill defected from the Liberal party to the Conservative
party, and then back again. But that's another story.

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Re: IP Forwarding to Windows machine

2014-08-13 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Nemeth Gyorgy a écrit :

 Yes, it can work as a short go-nogo test. But the suggestion was not
 mentioned it, that it is only for that. And it is very likely that when
 the OP tries this and it 'works' (I mean the Windows machine behind the
 Linux works well), then the rules will remain.

I wrote in my previous message :

Then when everything works add the filtering.
^
 And - as the Linux server
 can have a lot of services - it will leave a lot of secholes to the world.

Then the security holes are the services, not the firewall.


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sid - vlc - changing application-internal volume, above or below 100%, produces high level distortion

2014-08-13 Thread Zenaan Harkness
I'm on sid, running vlc 2.1.4.

No pulseaudio installed. Just alsa.

By default, VLC sets its internal volume to 100%.

When I change that application-internal volume, either above or
below 100%, high level distortion is produced. Changing it back to
exactly 100%, normal sound resumes.

Any ideas what's going on here?
TIA
Zeanaan


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The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive; more

2014-08-13 Thread Martin G. McCormick
I am the one who posted stating that I can't seem to make a
bootable new hard drive for my Linux Squeeze system. It's been
quoted, It ain't what you don't know that will hurt you, but
what you know that just ain't so. I think I am in that
territory now. What I have been doing was to format the new
active partition (sda1) with ext4 or ext3, using the rest of the
drive space as extended primary Partition 2 and overwriting with
a logical Partition 5 for swap.
I then would use rsync to copy all of the old drive
including special files to the new drive and one could see /dev
and all hard links to initrd.gz where they should be. The final
step which seems to be the kiss of death is to use grub-install
on the rescue disk to put a MBR on /dev/sda.
I never got this to work. Today, I did

dd if=olddrive of=newdrive which worked but produces a logical
drive exactly the same size as the old drive which is 10 GB.
Since the new drive is 16 GB, that wastes 6 GB of capacity which
is why that is not ultimately acceptable. Just for fun, though,
I tried the truncated new drive and the system booted right up
which proves that it is not hardware. It is the way I am
building the drive.
I can probably use tune2fs to re-size this new drive by
blowing away the extended swap partition, moving the upper
boundary of Partition 1 to 15 GB and then making a smaller
extended Partition 2 with swap overwrite, but I am curious as to
why the first method simply has never booted?
The bad drives I created for Debian Squeeze were also
formatted with ext4 for one attempt and ext2 for a different
attempt. This is because the new drive is a flash drive and will
need to be mounted to take wear and tear of multiple writes in
to consideration. The old drive was formatted ext3 so the
truncated new drive is presently also formatted the same way.
Now that I know the hardware is not causing the issue, I
just need to understand why or at least get some theories as to
why what seems like a logical way to build a drive doesn't work.

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Re: Irony

2014-08-13 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 13 August 2014 11:03:58 Liam O'Toole wrote:
 Also note that the British meaning of liberal is different from its
 meaning in the US, and was even more so in the early 20th century.

As has been shown by the original quote's referring to communists.

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Re: Irony

2014-08-13 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 13 August 2014 11:03:58 Liam O'Toole wrote:
 Moreover, Churhcill defected from the Liberal party to the Conservative
 party, and then back again.

T'other way round.

Lisi


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Re: par2

2014-08-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 08:40:40AM -0400, AW wrote:
 On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:30:14 +1200
 Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
 
   That's dammned expensive and not useful at all!!!
 
 It's very useful.  Consider the yearly savings in electricity.  And if you

You snipped it!! Read what you wrote, again.

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Re: Social Contract (was ... Re: Irony)

2014-08-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 09:10:19PM +0200, Slavko wrote:
 Ahoj,
 
 Dňa Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:01:05 +1200 Chris Bannister
 cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz napísal:
 
  On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
   
   Our priorities are our users and free software 
   
We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software
  ^
  Needs NOT wants --- there's a HUGE difference.
 ^
 
 I agree, people need only:
 
 - to eat
 - to drink
 - to respire and
 - to sleep
 
 - all others are want.

That was written in the context of what are the users needs with REGARDS
to an operating system. I suggest the wording has already been carefully
discussed and debated.

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Re: Social Contract (was ... Re: Irony)

2014-08-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:19:09AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Chris Bannister
 cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
  On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:09:24PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
  Well, yeah, but ask any marriage counselor what tends to happen when
  one partner decides arbitrarily what the other needs.
 
  What does a marriage counselor know about software development? You
  should instead ask the marriage counselor what happens if one partner
  confuses wants with needs.
 
 You're the one who decided to use marriage as a metaphor. It cuts both ways.

It was you who started talking about marriage counselors. 

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Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive; more

2014-08-13 Thread AW
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:09:41 -0500
Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote:

  but I am curious as to why the first method simply has never booted?

1. As far as I know, it's not possible to simply copy a working /dev tree.
These are special files which are generated with the mknod utility.  

2. Booting a computer is fairly complex.  Everything needs to be at a specific
location on the drive, needs to occupy the appropriate sectors - which vary in
precise size depending on the drive geometry as well as the partitioning.  And
everything needs to appropriately connected together.

3. dd copies at the bit level.  It's a low level utility.  And that's why it
works, while the high level rsync or cp utility will not.

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Re: Irony

2014-08-13 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Charles Kroeger
ckro...@frankensteinface.com wrote:
 On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:50:02 +0200
 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Debian isn't as special as you think, at least not from this perspective.

 Everybody earns money and needs money in this development. Organizations like
 Debian go forward by people with jobs volunteering time and expertise.

As I said in the part of my email that you snipped out, I know of
three distributions that employ developers and therefore Debian isn't
special because it's put together by volunteers. It's special because
it has a large number of derivatives and because of the DFSG.


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Re: Egad stumped by fetchmail ...

2014-08-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 02:50:30PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:
 +OK Pop server at jorel.newsguy.com signing off.
 Connection closed by foreign host.
 
  At a successfull login you can use commands like list, retr 1, dele 3.
 
 I'm afraid I have been screeching wolf when its only a very small
 kitten.
 
 Apparently, my mail is being retrieved... but in total silence.. or
 nearly so and I was dumb enough not to catch on for a bit.

Not sure if this helpful, but I call fetchmail like this:
fetchmail -e 50 -m /usr/bin/maildrop

It sends the mail straight to the MDA - cutting out the middle man.
It reports directly to stdout what is happening.

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If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing. --- Malcolm X


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Re: Irony

2014-08-13 Thread Charles Kroeger
On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 23:50:02 +0200
John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com wrote:

 Churchill: If you're not a liberal when you're young there's something
 wrong with your heart. 


Hummm..that's interesting I lived in Britain for 13 years from the late 60's
through the seventies and heard that expression a lot but no one ever 
attributed it
to Churchill. This is probably why Churchill was quietly retired soon after the 
war.

Everett Dirksen a Republican (not a conservative) party member in the US during 
the
50's and 60's was credited with saying: Stronger than any army is an idea whose
time has come..but he acquired his wisdom from Victor Hugo who lived through 
most
of the 19th century who said: no force on earth is more powerful than an idea 
whose
time has come. (don't bother correcting me, I know there are many variations. 

-- 
CK

The Internet what a place


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Re: [SUCCESS] Setup a Nvidia multiseat

2014-08-13 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Floris wrote:
Op Sun, 10 Aug 2014 04:32:00 +0200 schreef Hugo Vanwoerkom 
hvw59...@care2.com:




snip

Could you elaborate? You mean that if you connect, lets say a ps/2 
keyboard and an USB keyboard, 2 Nvidia video cards with 2 monitors 
attached and 2 USB mice and I run systemd, then it will figure out 
how to make a 2-seater out of this. Meaning 2 users  logged on 
simultaneously. Surely you must set up a proper xorg.conf, how much 
should it contain? Have you actually tried this or is it your 
conclusion that systemd ought to do this?


Hugo



Three steps are necessary:

1 - Create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-nvidia.conf
Unfortunately, this step is always required for a Nvidia card, only 
the MatchSeat option has to be added.

(note, I don't have a xorg.conf file)

cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/90-nvidia.conf
Section Device
Identifier Seat0
Driver nvidia
BusID  PCI:1:0:0
Option ProbeAllGpus FALSE
MatchSeat  seat0
EndSection


Section Device
Identifier Seat1
Driver nvidia
BusID  PCI:2:0:0
Option ProbeAllGpus FALSE
MatchSeat  seat1
EndSection

2 - Tag the Nvidia card for seat1 as a master-of-seat
This step is a litter harder. Since you have to figure out where your 
Nvidia card is. If your card has hdmi you can find the location by 
looking at the sound card.


$ loginctl seat-status seat0

...
  ├─/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:05.0/:02:00.1/sound/card1
  │ sound:card1 NVidia
...
The video part will be
/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:05.0/:02:00.0

Write an udev rule
cat /etc/udev/rules.d/72-seat-1.rules
SUBSYSTEM==pci, 
DEVPATH==/devices/pci:00/:00:05.0/:02:00.0, TAG+=seat, 
TAG+=master-of-seat, ENV{ID_AUTOSEAT}=1, ENV{ID_SEAT}=seat1


reboot or use 'udevadm trigger' to apply the new rule

3 - Attach a mouse, keyboard and soundcard
Use loginctl seat-status seat0 to find your devices and move them to 
seat1 with

loginctl attach seat1 your device
If you use a usb-hub for the mouse and keyboard attach the hub, so 
every device you plug into the hub will attached to seat1


You can verify your setup with
$ loginctl seat-status seat1

seat1
Sessions: *c2
 Devices:
  ├─/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:05.0/:02:00.0
  │ [MASTER] pci::02:00.0
  ├─/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:05.0/:02:00.1/sound/card1
  │ sound:card1 NVidia
  │ 
├─/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:05.0/:02:00.1/sound/card1/input14

  │ │ input:input14 HDA NVidia HDMI/DP,pcm=3
  │ 
└─/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:05.0/:02:00.1/sound/card1/input15

  │   input:input15 HDA NVidia HDMI/DP,pcm=7
  ...

Finally,
Step 1 is always necessary for a Nvidia card. I don't know if the 
nvidia-xconfig program is able to add the MatchSeat option. Don't 
use the xorg.conf file, because only seat0 will use it. So the X 
server on seat1 will give you an error No device found


Maybe the Nvidia Maintainers will help us in the future with Step 2. I 
think it is possible that all Nvidia graphic devices get the 
master-of-seat tag. I will ask them.


Step 3 is always required for a multiseat setup. Unless you have a 
open source displaylink device.


succes,



Indeed, those 3 steps and we are running a 2-seater again! With Sid, 
LXDE and no DM but startx -- -seat seat1, etc.

Thanks to Floris and systemd!



Seat1 does not fare well from a hibernate/resume cycle, had to reboot 
this morning to get it going again...


Hugo


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Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive; more

2014-08-13 Thread Martin G. McCormick
AW writes:
 1. As far as I know, it's not possible to simply copy a working /dev tree.
 These are special files which are generated with the mknod utility.
 
 2. Booting a computer is fairly complex.  Everything needs to be at a 
 specific
 location on the drive, needs to occupy the appropriate sectors - which 
 vary in
 precise size depending on the drive geometry as well as the partitioning. 
  And
 everything needs to appropriately connected together.
 
 3. dd copies at the bit level.  It's a low level utility.  And that's why 
 it
 works, while the high level rsync or cp utility will not.

This certainly makes sense to me but it has some rather
interesting disaster recovery implications. In this case, I am
just going to a newer and slightly larger boot drive and I am
lucky to have both the actual hard drive and a thumb drive copy
of that drive to experiment with. The thumb drive copy is also a
dd clone of the original hard drive and is obviously good
because it was what I used to make the new boot drive. If one
was having a bad day and their boot drive made a horrible noise
and blew out a cloud of aluminum and iron oxide dust as the
consequence of the meeting of a read/write head and the surface
of a platter, they have no options save for recycling of the
materials in the old drive. If they want to restore their old
system, they must be able to restore the boot drive  before
applying their backup media whatever that happens to be. Chances
are very good that the new boot drive will be larger or
different in some way from the old one.
I am not disagreeing with what you said, but it sounds
like it could be a lot of trouble to restore that system.

Martin


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Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive; more

2014-08-13 Thread Gary Dale

On 13/08/14 09:09 AM, Martin G. McCormick wrote:

I am the one who posted stating that I can't seem to make a
bootable new hard drive for my Linux Squeeze system. It's been
quoted, It ain't what you don't know that will hurt you, but
what you know that just ain't so. I think I am in that
territory now. What I have been doing was to format the new
active partition (sda1) with ext4 or ext3, using the rest of the
drive space as extended primary Partition 2 and overwriting with
a logical Partition 5 for swap.
I then would use rsync to copy all of the old drive
including special files to the new drive and one could see /dev
and all hard links to initrd.gz where they should be. The final
step which seems to be the kiss of death is to use grub-install
on the rescue disk to put a MBR on /dev/sda.
I never got this to work. Today, I did

dd if=olddrive of=newdrive which worked but produces a logical
drive exactly the same size as the old drive which is 10 GB.
Since the new drive is 16 GB, that wastes 6 GB of capacity which
is why that is not ultimately acceptable. Just for fun, though,
I tried the truncated new drive and the system booted right up
which proves that it is not hardware. It is the way I am
building the drive.
I can probably use tune2fs to re-size this new drive by
blowing away the extended swap partition, moving the upper
boundary of Partition 1 to 15 GB and then making a smaller
extended Partition 2 with swap overwrite, but I am curious as to
why the first method simply has never booted?
The bad drives I created for Debian Squeeze were also
formatted with ext4 for one attempt and ext2 for a different
attempt. This is because the new drive is a flash drive and will
need to be mounted to take wear and tear of multiple writes in
to consideration. The old drive was formatted ext3 so the
truncated new drive is presently also formatted the same way.
Now that I know the hardware is not causing the issue, I
just need to understand why or at least get some theories as to
why what seems like a logical way to build a drive doesn't work.

Martin McCormick
The correct way to copy a system is to use dd. It does a bitwise copy 
of the entire disk, so you don't need to do anything else.


As you noticed, that usually leaves the partitioned space smaller than 
the new drive. At that point, use gparted to adjust the partitions to 
your liking.


The method you used, using rsync, will also work providing that you use 
the correct rules for the new drive. If it uses a GUID partition table, 
the new drive won't have the same UUID which may cause problems. Also 
you need some free space for a BIOS boot partition (type EF02) or the 
system won't boot with GRUB.



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Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive; more

2014-08-13 Thread Bob Weber
I use sysrescuecd (http://www.sysresccd.org/) to make a new drive bootable. 
There are two ways to get a bootable disk with sysrescuecd.

One way is to use a special boot mode where sysrescue starts its own kernel to a
system on the hard disk.  Once booted you can just use 'grub-install /dev/sda'
to install grub on the boot drive.  I run software raid1 so I do this for both
drives just in case I need to boot from sdb. 

A second way is to start sysrescuecd normally and mount the root file system  to
a directory.  Make a directory say x and mount the root filesystem on it.  Run
these three commands:  mount --bind /dev  x/dev  and mount --bind /proc 
x/proc and mount --bind /sys  x/sys.  Then run chroot x /bin/bash to get a
command prompt running off of your root file system with the dev, proc and sys
populated correctly.  Now you can run the grub install command and hopefully get
a bootable drive.

The first method works the best since sometimes grub gets confused in the chroot
environment and cant find the hard drive you want to install it on.

*...Bob*
On 08/13/2014 11:27 AM, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
 AW writes:
 1. As far as I know, it's not possible to simply copy a working /dev tree.
 These are special files which are generated with the mknod utility.

 2. Booting a computer is fairly complex.  Everything needs to be at a 
 specific
 location on the drive, needs to occupy the appropriate sectors - which 
 vary in
 precise size depending on the drive geometry as well as the partitioning. 
  And
 everything needs to appropriately connected together.

 3. dd copies at the bit level.  It's a low level utility.  And that's why 
 it
 works, while the high level rsync or cp utility will not.
   This certainly makes sense to me but it has some rather
 interesting disaster recovery implications. In this case, I am
 just going to a newer and slightly larger boot drive and I am
 lucky to have both the actual hard drive and a thumb drive copy
 of that drive to experiment with. The thumb drive copy is also a
 dd clone of the original hard drive and is obviously good
 because it was what I used to make the new boot drive. If one
 was having a bad day and their boot drive made a horrible noise
 and blew out a cloud of aluminum and iron oxide dust as the
 consequence of the meeting of a read/write head and the surface
 of a platter, they have no options save for recycling of the
 materials in the old drive. If they want to restore their old
 system, they must be able to restore the boot drive  before
 applying their backup media whatever that happens to be. Chances
 are very good that the new boot drive will be larger or
 different in some way from the old one.
   I am not disagreeing with what you said, but it sounds
 like it could be a lot of trouble to restore that system.

 Martin





Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive; more

2014-08-13 Thread Martin G. McCormick
Bob Weber writes:
 I use sysrescuecd (http://www.sysresccd.org/) to make a new drive 
 bootable.
 There are two ways to get a bootable disk with sysrescuecd.
 
 One way is to use a special boot mode where sysrescue starts its own 
 kernel to a
 system on the hard disk.  Once booted you can just use 'grub-install 
 /dev/sda'
 to install grub on the boot drive.  I run software raid1 so I do this for 
 both
 drives just in case I need to boot from sdb.
 
 A second way is to start sysrescuecd normally and mount the root file 
 system  to
 a directory.  Make a directory say x and mount the root filesystem on it. 
  Run
 these three commands:  mount --bind /dev  x/dev  and mount --bind /proc
 x/proc and mount --bind /sys  x/sys.  Then run chroot x /bin/bash to 
 get a
 command prompt running off of your root file system with the dev, proc 
 and sys
 populated correctly.  Now you can run the grub install command and 
 hopefully get
 a bootable drive.
 
 The first method works the best since sometimes grub gets confused in the 
 chroot
 environment and cant find the hard drive you want to install it on.

Ben there but I wasn't sure about 
in which order to do the mount commands you illustrated so now I
think I understand enough to get something working.
My thanks also to
Gary Dale in the previous posting.
I will save all these messages since I haven't finished
with the new drive yet but I have a better understanding of what
is going on and why I was having so much trouble. Thanks to all.

Martin


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Re: Towards an instructive minimalist intall of Openbox

2014-08-13 Thread Brian
On Wed 13 Aug 2014 at 00:03:54 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:

 Brian wrote:
  
  A correctly set up X on Debian uses ~/.xsession and not ~/.xinitrc.
  (I kept the quotes because you said they are significant).
 
 Brian, I can't tell if you are joking or not.  :-)  But obviously a
 correctly set up X could use either a .xsession file or a .xinitrc
 file.  The choice depends upon what is trying to be achieved.  And

We know that using startx with ~/.xsession means files in Xsession.d at
/etc/X11 are sourced and that using ~/.xinitrc means those files are not
sourced.

The man page for startx says:

   To determine the client to run, startx first looks for a file
   called .xinitrc in the user's home  directory. If that is not
   found, it uses the file xinitrc in the xinit library directory.

   The system-wide xinitrc and xserverrc files are found in the
   /etc/X11/xinit directory.

If ~/.xinitrc is found /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is not used.

Because of system design a ~/.xsession is likely to lead to users
encountering fewer problems and having less grief. If there is a counter
argument for recommending ~/.xinitrc for the majority of users I have
yet to see it spelled out.

If the benefits of ~/.xsession do not matter to a user then purposefully
setting out to avoid Xsession.d and to handle everything in ~/.xinitrc
would be ok. The issue is that, AFAICS, such purpose is usually not
stated and ~/.xinitrc is recommended on the basis of historical usage
with little regard for how Debian structures X. The web is awash with
advice to use ~/.xinitrc, which is fine for Arch Linux users but
suboptimal for most people with Debian and startx.

 I know you are aware that there is also the .xsessionrc file too.

With ~/.xsession this file (if it exists) is automatically sourced;
~/.xinitrc would have to be told about it. This is a situation where the
lazy route is to be preferred. :)

(I have seen it advised to put 'xterm ' and 'exec WindowManager' in
.xsessionrc.  Following the advice usually leads to great wailing and
gnashing of teeth).

 I use a .xsession file when using one of the xdm programs.  But since
 recently when gnome and gdm abandoned my hardware I have been using
 xinit again and an .xinitrc file.  It is working correctly in that
 combination.

For your setup I'm sure it does. But try getting power management to
work with Xfce and the same setup as a Wheezy user.


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Boot failure after upgrade to wheezy

2014-08-13 Thread Peter McGill
I have 2 debian virtual machines running under Windows Hyper-V Server 2012.
I upgraded them from squeeze to wheezy.
They can boot with the squeeze kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 ok.
But they cannot boot with the wheezy kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64.

Loading, please wait.
Gave up waiting for root device.  Common problems:
 - Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline)
   - Check rootdelay= (did the system wait long enough?)
   - Check root= (did the system wait for the right device?)
 - Missing modules (cat /proc/modules; ls /dev)
ALERT!  /dev/disk/by-uuid/8cdd1090-26ac-4767-b975-05fad7d1f554 does not
exist.
Dropping to a shell!
modprobe: module ehci-hcd not found in modules.dep
modprobe: module uhci-hcd not found in modules.dep
modprobe: module ohci-hcd not found in modules.dep
modprobe: module usbhid not found in modules.dep


BusyBox v1.20.2 (Debian 1:1.20.0-7) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
(initramfs)

cat /proc/cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64
root=UUID=8cdd1090-26ac-4767-b975-05fad7d1f554 ro quiet

Adding rootdelay=120 has no effect (other than delaying boot failure...)

root=  UUID is correct and matches exactly the root=  UUID of the working
squeeze kernel.

cat /proc/modules
ata_generic 12479 0 - Live 0xa0037000
ata_piix 29535 0 - Live 0xa0029000
libata 140630 2 ata_generic,ata_piix, Live 0xa003d000
scsi_mod 162269 1 libata, Live 0xa000

ls /dev/hd* /dev/sd* /dev/disk
ls: /dev/hd*: No such file or directory
ls: /dev/sd*: No such file or directory
ls: /dev/disk: No such file or directory

No raid or lvm in use.

root is on Hyper-V IDE 0, disk 0, partition 2 (/dev/sda2)

Rebuilding the initramfs had no effect.

Help is appreciated.


Peter



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Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive; more

2014-08-13 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Bob Weber a écrit :
 
 A second way is to start sysrescuecd normally and mount the root file system  
 to
 a directory.  Make a directory say x and mount the root filesystem on it.  Run
 these three commands:  mount --bind /dev  x/dev  and mount --bind /proc 
 x/proc and mount --bind /sys  x/sys.  Then run chroot x /bin/bash to get 
 a
 command prompt running off of your root file system with the dev, proc and sys
 populated correctly.  Now you can run the grub install command and hopefully 
 get
 a bootable drive.

One last step may be necessary : update the UUIDs in /etc/fstab and
/boot/grub/grub.cfg, as you created new volumes with new UUIDs instead
of cloning them. Or alternatively, change the UUIDs on the new disk with
tune2fs, mkswap... to match the ones on the old disk. Otherwise you'll
be stuck at grub's menu.


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RE: Boot failure after upgrade to wheezy

2014-08-13 Thread Peter McGill
Nevermind, fixed.

Changed initramfs MODULES=dep to MODULES=most and it boots now.

/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy
# Driver inclusion policy selected during installation
# Note: this setting overrides the value set in the file
# /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
MODULES=most

Seems like there is a bug in initramfs-tools.

Peter

-Original Message-
From: Peter McGill [mailto:petermcg...@goco.net] 
Sent: August-13-14 12:21 PM
To: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org'
Subject: Boot failure after upgrade to wheezy

I have 2 debian virtual machines running under Windows Hyper-V Server 2012.
I upgraded them from squeeze to wheezy.
They can boot with the squeeze kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 ok.
But they cannot boot with the wheezy kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64.

Loading, please wait.
Gave up waiting for root device.  Common problems:
 - Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline)
   - Check rootdelay= (did the system wait long enough?)
   - Check root= (did the system wait for the right device?)
 - Missing modules (cat /proc/modules; ls /dev)
ALERT!  /dev/disk/by-uuid/8cdd1090-26ac-4767-b975-05fad7d1f554 does not
exist.
Dropping to a shell!
modprobe: module ehci-hcd not found in modules.dep
modprobe: module uhci-hcd not found in modules.dep
modprobe: module ohci-hcd not found in modules.dep
modprobe: module usbhid not found in modules.dep


BusyBox v1.20.2 (Debian 1:1.20.0-7) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
(initramfs)

cat /proc/cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64
root=UUID=8cdd1090-26ac-4767-b975-05fad7d1f554 ro quiet

Adding rootdelay=120 has no effect (other than delaying boot failure...)

root=  UUID is correct and matches exactly the root=  UUID of the working
squeeze kernel.

cat /proc/modules
ata_generic 12479 0 - Live 0xa0037000
ata_piix 29535 0 - Live 0xa0029000
libata 140630 2 ata_generic,ata_piix, Live 0xa003d000
scsi_mod 162269 1 libata, Live 0xa000

ls /dev/hd* /dev/sd* /dev/disk
ls: /dev/hd*: No such file or directory
ls: /dev/sd*: No such file or directory
ls: /dev/disk: No such file or directory

No raid or lvm in use.

root is on Hyper-V IDE 0, disk 0, partition 2 (/dev/sda2)

Rebuilding the initramfs had no effect.

Help is appreciated.


Peter



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Using a second monitor

2014-08-13 Thread Robert D. Hilliard
Reply To:  bobhilli...@gmail.com

I use a second, larger monitor (my eyes are vary bad).

My very old, failing Dell Inspiron would connect to the second monitor
by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F8, and would remember that setting across
reboots.  It appeared to be a function of the hardware, mot the
software..

I have a new Dell Ispiron that dual boots Windows 7 and Debian 7.4.
The new machine uses the F1 key to connect to the second monitor, but
it only works in Windows - In Debian pressing F! is a noop.

Dell support  say they can not support problems the are not in the
machine or software shipped with the machine.

Any assistance in getting Debian to display on the second monitor will
be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Bob Hilliard


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Re: Using a second monitor

2014-08-13 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:50:37 -0400
Robert D. Hilliard bobhilli...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a new Dell Ispiron that dual boots Windows 7 and Debian 7.4.
 The new machine uses the F1 key to connect to the second monitor,
 but it only works in Windows - In Debian pressing F! is a noop.

These are old but could help you:
http://thecodecentral.com/2011/03/01/switch-to-external-monitor-connected-via-hdmivga-port-in-ubuntu
http://askubuntu.com/questions/129524/how-to-switch-display-from-laptop-to-external-monitor
http://wiki.bodhilinux.com/doku.php?id=display_-_set_shortcut_key_to_switch

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Re: Using a second monitor

2014-08-13 Thread Ric Moore

On 08/13/2014 02:20 PM, B wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:50:37 -0400
Robert D. Hilliard bobhilli...@gmail.com wrote:


I have a new Dell Ispiron that dual boots Windows 7 and Debian 7.4.
The new machine uses the F1 key to connect to the second monitor,
but it only works in Windows - In Debian pressing F! is a noop.


These are old but could help you:
http://thecodecentral.com/2011/03/01/switch-to-external-monitor-connected-via-hdmivga-port-in-ubuntu
http://askubuntu.com/questions/129524/how-to-switch-display-from-laptop-to-external-monitor
http://wiki.bodhilinux.com/doku.php?id=display_-_set_shortcut_key_to_switch


Oh crap, I hit reply. Sorry to the OP.
What video card are you using?? Ric



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Re: Using a second monitor

2014-08-13 Thread Richard Owlett

Robert D. Hilliard wrote:

Reply To:  bobhilli...@gmail.com

I use a second, larger monitor (my eyes are vary bad).

My very old, failing Dell Inspiron would connect to the second monitor
by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F8, and would remember that setting across
reboots.  It appeared to be a function of the hardware, mot the
software..

I have a new Dell Ispiron that dual boots Windows 7 and Debian 7.4.
The new machine uses the F1 key to connect to the second monitor, but
it only works in Windows - In Debian pressing F! is a noop.

Dell support  say they can not support problems the are not in the
machine or software shipped with the machine.

Any assistance in getting Debian to display on the second monitor will
be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Bob Hilliard



I remember when Dell customer support was second to none. 'Dem 
were the days ;/

Check out links at

https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+Inspiron+second+monitor+-ubuntu+site:dell.com

HTH




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Re: Egad stumped by fetchmail ...

2014-08-13 Thread Harry Putnam
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes:

 On Mon 11 Aug 2014 at 14:50:30 -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:

 The oldhost is running exim4 light, while newhost is running
 exim4-heavy.

 Exim is only involved after the mail is collected.

 But still the configuration files look the same.. I'm not seeing a
 reason why one is more verbose than the other.

 Messages are being logged to a file but not to the screen?

You have a sharp eye Brian.  I finally noticed the difference in each
.fetchmailrc.  host1 old, had the file to log to, commented
   host2 new, had the file to log to, uncommented

So on host2 logging went to the file...
Gad what a bozo...


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Re: Using a second monitor

2014-08-13 Thread Doug


On 08/13/2014 02:20 PM, B wrote:

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:50:37 -0400
Robert D. Hilliard bobhilli...@gmail.com wrote:


I have a new Dell Ispiron that dual boots Windows 7 and Debian 7.4.
The new machine uses the F1 key to connect to the second monitor,
but it only works in Windows - In Debian pressing F! is a noop.

These are old but could help you:
http://thecodecentral.com/2011/03/01/switch-to-external-monitor-connected-via-hdmivga-port-in-ubuntu
http://askubuntu.com/questions/129524/how-to-switch-display-from-laptop-to-external-monitor
http://wiki.bodhilinux.com/doku.php?id=display_-_set_shortcut_key_to_switch

I have a Dell Latitude, E6510,and it will display the same picture on 
both screens in Windows 7, but
I can only get it to go to one screen in PCLinuxOS. I can switch 
displays, altho I'm not sure which
combination does it--I just hooked up the other monitor now to see what 
would happen--but
playing with control + alt + shift +function key, some combination will 
switch from one to the other.
PCLOS thinks the external monitor has lower resolution, but I suppose if 
I were only using that one,

I could set the res to what the monitor wants.

This particular laptop has absolutely no user manual whatever. The only 
thing available is two
pictures showing what the connectors do and where the optical drive is, 
and a page of specs.


And I agree: Dell is not at all interested in Linux.  I bought this unit 
after having used an old
laptop, and that one had excellent documentation, and a really nice 
keyboard. The k/b on this

one is OK, too, altho for use at home, I use an IBM k/b plugged in via usb.

I haven't looked at the references above--I really have no interest in 
using an external monitor,

since I have a 15½ screen on this laptop already.

So play with it. Probably there is some combination that will activate 
your remote screen.


--doug


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Re: Irony

2014-08-13 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2014-08-13, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wednesday 13 August 2014 11:03:58 Liam O'Toole wrote:
 Moreover, Churhcill defected from the Liberal party to the Conservative
 party, and then back again.

 T'other way round.

 Lisi


Oops, you are correct. I meant to write that his political trajectory
was Conservative - Liberal - Conservative. Either way, it serves to
discredit the attribution of the quote to Churchill!

-- 

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Re: [SUCCESS] Setup a Nvidia multiseat

2014-08-13 Thread Floris




succes,
  Indeed, those 3 steps and we are running a 2-seater again! With Sid,  
LXDE and no DM but startx -- -seat seat1, etc.

Thanks to Floris and systemd!



Seat1 does not fare well from a hibernate/resume cycle, had to reboot  
this morning to get it going again...


Hugo




I haven't test resume and/or hibernate yet. I still have troubles with
pulseaudio to respect the attach-to-seat options 1). It proves that
systemd is still a young project with all kinds of child deceases.

floris

1. funny... systemd and pulseaudio are both made by Lennart Poettering


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Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive; more

2014-08-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
 One last step may be necessary : update the UUIDs in /etc/fstab and
 /boot/grub/grub.cfg, as you created new volumes with new UUIDs instead
 of cloning them. Or alternatively, change the UUIDs on the new disk with
 tune2fs, mkswap... to match the ones on the old disk. Otherwise you'll
 be stuck at grub's menu.

Or just say no to UUIDs ;-)


Stefan who uses LVM partition names instead


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Re: Using a second monitor

2014-08-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
 My very old, failing Dell Inspiron would connect to the second monitor
 by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F8, and would remember that setting across
 reboots.  It appeared to be a function of the hardware, mot the
 software..

Actually it was probably done in the BIOS rather than in the hardware,
but yes, it worked regardless of the OS.

 I have a new Dell Ispiron that dual boots Windows 7 and Debian 7.4.
 The new machine uses the F1 key to connect to the second monitor, but
 it only works in Windows - In Debian pressing F! is a noop.

Nowadays, these things are all handled by the OS itself, so the question
has nothing to do with Dell and the answer is pretty much the same for
all hardware.

Somewhere in your desktop you should find some program to change display
settings (in my XFCE environment it's under Settings = Display) where
you should be able to activate the external display, and choose whether to
display the same content on both displays, or not, ...


Stefan


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Re: Using a second monitor

2014-08-13 Thread Alois Mahdal
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:50:37 -0400
Robert D. Hilliard bobhilli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Reply To:  bobhilli...@gmail.com
 
 I use a second, larger monitor (my eyes are vary bad).
 
 [...]
 
 Any assistance in getting Debian to display on the second
 monitor will be greatly appreciated.

As other have pointed out, OS handles this.

Here's how I solve it:

The core utility you need is called `xrandr`, which stands for
X Rotate And Resize.  It's a command line utility that (using
RandR X extension) can set up various things from
enabling/disabling monitors to setting resolution to setting
DPI.

If you prefer GUI, there's ARandR, which is a GUI utility for
the same task.  Although not as rich on features, it is pretty
straightforward and easy to use.  One particularly cool feature
is that once you are OK with the setup, using FileSave
command, it generates a simple (basically one-liner) script
that can set the same layout again.

I guess in your case, you would want to have two scripts: one
for layout with two monitors, and one for only the laptop.

It's up to you how you run them, you can call them from
your .xinitrc (or copy/paste just the lines), have them on
desktop or assign a keyboard shortcut for them.

HTH,

Thanks,
aL.

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Re: par2

2014-08-13 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote:
 On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 15:24:49 -0400
 Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:

   Assuming you have both a backup copy and a live copy plus some par2
   files, you should be safe with the 5% to 10% I suggested.

 If going with an external backup and pars... I'd also add md5sums to the list.

 I've had great success using external drives drives connected to a low power
 device like the Raspberry Pi.

... current beagle board, etc.

(Beagle Boards, I think, tend to make the driver source and such a bit
more available in the spirit, not just the letter of the license, has
some drawbacks, as well. Others have various benefits and drawbacks.)

 The full data system:
 CPU 0 -  Original is on host drive.
 Pi 0 -  Backup is RAID 1 [with two separate drives]
 Pi 1 -  Repair data is on separate backup drive along with md5sum lists.

How about sha256 checksums?

 All connected via network, rsync between machines.  Cron scripts run nightly 
 to
 retrieve, verify -- md5sum -c first, repair data.

 Additional cost is:
 $70 for 2xRPi

Wait:

 $250 for 3x1GB drives

Did you mean 3xiTB, by any chance?

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Education for Shot Peening, Flap Peening, Residual Stress Measurement, etc.

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Re: par2

2014-08-13 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 5:20 AM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote:
 On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 16:08:41 -0400
 Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:

   Whatever for? There are better checksums and md5 doesn't provide error
   correction? Even the MD5 man page advises using sha checksums instead.

 md5sum provides a relatively quick check... if it fails, then use the real
 check, i.e. pars.  This saves [or seems to save] computing resources...

 However, it was just a suggestion...

Interesting suggestion. Write the error-correction files, but only
test them if the md5 checksum fails.

Admittedly, this is not a situation where we are worried about
attackers, but I'd feel more comfortable, myself, with actually
checking the full error correction data. Both have holes, but the
error correction codes provide deeper checks. (Take more space, too,
but since you want to recover when you can, without referring to
backups, the space consumption is part of the price you expect to
pay.)

If I were being paranoid about errors, I think I'd use full backup
with grandfathering and periodic complete snapshots on permanent file,
and with both error correction and sha256 checks, to catch as much
corruption as possible before it gets into the backup files.

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Re: calendar world cup (portuguese) and others

2014-08-13 Thread Beco
Darac:
  /usr/share/calendar appears to be owned by the bsdmainutils package. I
  would suggest filing a wishlist bug against that package with your file
  attached.


Thanks, Darac! I'll do that.

Cheers,
Beco



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Re: Social Contract (was ... Re: Irony)

2014-08-13 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Chris Bannister
cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:19:09AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Chris Bannister
 cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
  On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:09:24PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
  Well, yeah, but ask any marriage counselor what tends to happen when
  one partner decides arbitrarily what the other needs.
 
  What does a marriage counselor know about software development? You
  should instead ask the marriage counselor what happens if one partner
  confuses wants with needs.

 You're the one who decided to use marriage as a metaphor. It cuts both ways.

 It was you who started talking about marriage counselors.

I'd say that you opened the window to the comment, since you talked
about the difference between perceptions of needs and wants in a
marriage, and pointed out that, invariably, when there's an argument,
at least one party in the argument insists that his views of needs is
correct and the other's claims are just wants. Maybe that's not what
you intended, but anyone who has tried to help friends or family when
marriages start falling apart recognize the symptoms.

Now, I don't know what the attitude towards getting professional help
is in New Zealand. In America, when an argument about needs vs. wants
on a single topic drags on for a year or more, friends usually suggest
professional or semi-professional help. In Japan, admitting to seeking
help seems to be a source of embarrassment, and suggesting it an
insult. (But that view is changing a little bit, lately.)

I refrained from this allegory before, but I'll go ahead and use it:

When one partner decides that a new technique needs to be
experimented with, and the other is not sanguine to the experience, in
the US, it can be cause for criminal rape charges.

If that's too close for comfort, consider this: parents in the US who
force their ideologies on their children can be charged with criminal
abuse.

Really, the whole idea that we have some chattel relationship between
the devs and the users in debian is entirely inappropriate, just as it
is in families.

A four-four draw in the technical committees should have been a call
to open the discussion to a wider user base, not a call for one member
of the committee to make an arbitrary decision. Things are not
functioning correctly up there, even if we ignore the Social
Contract.

Technical issues cannot be claimed to be inherently superior to social
issues in any system that is in regular, direct use by humans,
especially when such technical claims become the basis for unilateral
action. Such claims are indication of hubris at best, and blind ego in
this case. (Compare the abusive parent or spouse.)

Now, in truth, I picked up Fedora only because I was having trouble
understanding the unwritten rules in play in openbsd. Couldn't read
the docs and come to the same conclusions as the others on the misc@
list, so I decided I needed a bit of education, and debian was
suggested. But we were using RedHat at work, so I picked up Fedora.

I dropped Fedora and came over to debian because of the systemd
business. I've seen power abuse in political processes in local
governments, and I recognized both inappropriate political processes
and abuses in play as I watched it play out.

But that was okay, because I needed to pick up debian.

And now I'm motivated to return to openbsd, which is also all to the
good. I've got an old laptop up right now, and am running through the
afterboot man page and finding myself understanding it much better
than fifteen years ago.

And the init system was one of the places in openbsd that I could
follow the examples but couldn't really understand what I was doing.
But I understand it now. I can see the reasons for things that were
not at all obvious back then. (And I find myself wondering why on
earth anyone would want to use anything so redundant and overblown as
systemd.)

I could say more, but I think it would not be constructive at this point.

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default layout for web server (jessie)

2014-08-13 Thread Harry Putnam

Last time I fiddled with setting up a web server was some 4-5 yrs ago.

Things appear to have changed a bit. 

Can anyone point to a URL or etc that would show what a default layout
might look like.

Back when.. /var/www/localhost/htdocs was DocumentRoot and the
default cgi-bin directory was: /var/www/localhost/cgi-bin.

Apparently `DocumentRoot' is now:
/var/www/html/... but where is the default cgi-bin directory?

I chose web-server during the software choices when installing but 
/var/www/ contains only ./html and /var/www/html/ contains only the
default `index.html'.


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kernel upgrade in squeeze; was Re: TP-link TL-WN722N with Squeeze

2014-08-13 Thread peter
*   From: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com
*   Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:32:32 +0300
 ... complete output from running apt-get ...

root@armada:/home/peter# apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686-pae
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 linux-image-2.6-686-pae : Depends: linux-image-686-pae but it is not going to 
be installed
E: Broken packages
root@armada:/home/peter# 

2.6.32 is already running and was reinstalled since the original installation.  
The preceding makes no sense.

root@armada:/home/peter# apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae : Depends: linux-base (= 3~) but 
2.6.32-48squeeze6 is to be installed
 Recommends: firmware-linux-free (= 3~) 
but 2.6.32-48squeeze6 is to be installed
 Breaks: initramfs-tools ( 0.99~) but 
0.98.8 is to be installed
E: Broken packages
root@armada:/home/peter# 

 What does this have to do with the TP-Link in the subject?

The driver for the Atheros AR9170 chipset in the TP-Link isn't working 
with the 2.6.32 kernel; upgrade seemed a reasonable approach.  For the 
subject, my train of thought went off the rails.

Thanks,... Peter



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Re: default layout for web server (jessie)

2014-08-13 Thread John Bleichert

On 08/13/2014 08:54 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
snip


Can anyone point to a URL or etc that would show what a default layout
might look like.

Back when.. /var/www/localhost/htdocs was DocumentRoot and the
default cgi-bin directory was: /var/www/localhost/cgi-bin.

Apparently `DocumentRoot' is now:
/var/www/html/... but where is the default cgi-bin directory?

I chose web-server during the software choices when installing but
/var/www/ contains only ./html and /var/www/html/ contains only the
default `index.html'.




Apache on Debian is quite different than non-debian-derived distros. 
Seems a little odd at first but the Debian layout is useful if you are 
running multiple virtual servers on one box.


See:  /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz

emacs will read it just fine, though you will need to gunzip if with 
most other text editors. Note that that file location is from stable.


You can install DocumentRoot anyplace you want. Common sense applies :-)

John

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Re: Egad stumped by fetchmail ...

2014-08-13 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/14/14, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:
 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes:

 On Mon 11 Aug 2014 at 14:50:30 -0400, Harry Putnam wrote:

 The oldhost is running exim4 light, while newhost is running
 exim4-heavy.

 Exim is only involved after the mail is collected.

 But still the configuration files look the same.. I'm not seeing a
 reason why one is more verbose than the other.

 Messages are being logged to a file but not to the screen?

 You have a sharp eye Brian.  I finally noticed the difference in each
 .fetchmailrc.  host1 old, had the file to log to, commented
host2 new, had the file to log to, uncommented

 So on host2 logging went to the file...
 Gad what a bozo...

If you do go to a faster alternative to fetchmail, I strongly suggest
the just get one message option until you have debugged things.

Good luck,
Zenaan


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Re: Social Contract (was ... Re: Irony)

2014-08-13 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/13/14, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 09:10:19PM +0200, Slavko wrote:
 Ahoj,

 Dňa Mon, 11 Aug 2014 18:01:05 +1200 Chris Bannister
 cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz napísal:

  On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 09:37:24AM +0200, Slavko wrote:
  
   Our priorities are our users and free software
  
We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software
  ^
  Needs NOT wants --- there's a HUGE difference.
 ^

 I agree, people need only:

 - to eat
 - to drink
 - to respire and
 - to sleep

 - all others are want.

 That was written in the context of what are the users needs with REGARDS
 to an operating system. I suggest the wording has already been carefully
 discussed and debated.

Eaudour Contraire! There is amble room for much more nitpicking and
linguistic deconstructionism.

Dear Chris, you are simply not trying hard enough. We do NOT have
enough percision around these parts!

And really, you should have put quotes around what are the users
needs since otherwise it is gramatically dubious and lacking in a
reasonable flow - speaking of context :)

We're certainly not missing for dead horses - you need to open your
eyes brother.

Sorry, that's open your eyes, brother. (I forgot the comma in the
first instance there, so thought I'd add it in... couldn't bare to be
so slopy.)

Best regards,
Zenaan


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Re: networking fails with temporary systemd (was auto starting of ppp has stopped working)

2014-08-13 Thread Rusi Mody
On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 3:20:02 PM UTC+5:30, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 On Lu, 11 aug 14, 07:57:05, Rusi Mody wrote:
  If I start from grub using init=/bin/systemd it boots but networking
  does not work.
 
 
 Please attach the file 'bootlog' after running:
 
 journalctl -alb  bootlog

Thanks Andrei

Tried doing that... does not seem to reach the list.

So pruning down to what seems relevant and inlining below.
Notes:
1. IPs have been masked. They 'look' ok (are not 192.168 types)
2. You asked flasgs -alb. The l does not seem valid. This is with -ab
3. Theres some resolvconf issue.  There are bugs I see like
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/resolvconf/+bug/1000244
But I dont know what changes with systemd.
4. The second bunch of lines probably comes from the manually given
modprobe ppp
pon dsl-provider

--bootlog excerpt--
Aug 14 08:13:14 debian64 networking[418]: Configuring network 
interfaces...resolvconf: Error: /etc/resolvconf/run/interface either does not 
exist or is not a directory
Aug 14 08:13:14 debian64 console-setup[444]: Setting up console font and 
keymap...done.
Aug 14 08:13:14 debian64 systemd[1]: Started LSB: Set console font and keymap.
Aug 14 08:13:14 debian64 networking[418]: resolvconf: Error: 
/etc/resolvconf/run/interface either does not exist or is not a directory
Aug 14 08:13:14 debian64 kernel: IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not 
ready
Aug 14 08:13:14 debian64 kernel: e100 :04:08.0 eth0: NIC Link is Up 100 
Mbps Full Duplex
Aug 14 08:13:14 debian64 kernel: IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link 
becomes ready
Aug 14 08:13:14 debian64 networking[418]: resolvconf: Error: 
/etc/resolvconf/run/interface either does not exist or is not a directory
Aug 14 08:13:14 debian64 networking[418]: grep: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file 
or directory
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 ntpdate[596]: Can't find host 0.debian.pool.ntp.org: 
Name or service not known (-2)
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 ntpdate[596]: Can't find host 1.debian.pool.ntp.org: 
Name or service not known (-2)
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 ntpdate[596]: Can't find host 2.debian.pool.ntp.org: 
Name or service not known (-2)
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 ntpdate[596]: Can't find host 3.debian.pool.ntp.org: 
Name or service not known (-2)
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 ntpdate[596]: no servers can be used, exiting
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 pppd[594]: Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded.
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 pppd[594]: Couldn't open the /dev/ppp device: No such 
file or directory
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 pppd[594]: Linux kernel does not support PPPoE -- are 
you running 2.4.x?
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 pppd[594]: Exit.
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 networking[418]: Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded.
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 networking[418]: Couldn't open the /dev/ppp device: No 
such file or directory
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 networking[418]: Linux kernel does not support PPPoE 
-- are you running 2.4.x?
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 networking[418]: Failed to bring up dsl-provider.
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 ntpdate[632]: Can't find host 0.debian.pool.ntp.org: 
Name or service not known (-2)
Aug 14 08:13:15 debian64 networking[418]: done.

Further down the file

Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 sudo[957]: siva : TTY=tty1 ; PWD=/home/siva ; 
USER=root ; COMMAND=/sbin/modprobe pppoe
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 sudo[957]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for 
user root by siva(uid=0)
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 kernel: PPP generic driver version 2.4.2
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 kernel: NET: Registered protocol family 24
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 sudo[957]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session closed for 
user root
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 sudo[959]: siva : TTY=tty1 ; PWD=/home/siva ; 
USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/pon dsl-provider
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 sudo[959]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for 
user root by siva(uid=0)
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 pppd[960]: Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded.
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 pppd[967]: pppd 2.4.6 started by siva, uid 0
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 sudo[959]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session closed for 
user root
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 pppd[967]: PPP session is 10294
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 pppd[967]: Connected to 00:e0:fc:37:3c:02 via 
interface eth0
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 pppd[967]: Using interface ppp0
Aug 14 08:13:48 debian64 pppd[967]: Connect: ppp0 -- eth0
Aug 14 08:13:50 debian64 sudo[972]: siva : TTY=tty1 ; PWD=/home/siva ; 
USER=root ; COMMAND=/sbin/ifconfig
Aug 14 08:13:50 debian64 sudo[972]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for 
user root by siva(uid=0)
Aug 14 08:13:50 debian64 sudo[972]: pam_unix(sudo:session): session closed for 
user root
Aug 14 08:13:50 debian64 colord[760]: Automatic remove of LBP1210-Gray.. from 
cups-LBP1210
Aug 14 08:13:50 debian64 colord[760]: Profile removed: LBP1210-Gray..
Aug 14 08:13:50 debian64 colord[760]: device removed: cups-LBP1210
Aug 14 08:13:51 debian64 pppd[967]: CHAP authentication succeeded: 
Authentication success,Welcome!
Aug 14 08:13:51 debian64 

Problem with Debian 6 LTS and vlc

2014-08-13 Thread Bret Busby
Hello.

I am not sure whether support queries specific to Debian 6 LTS, should
be posted to this list, or to the LTS list - on the web page at
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Contact#debian-lts
is


Mailing lists

debian-lts

https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/ (gmane)

Description: Discussion and coordination of long-term support work for
Debian. Everyone involved or interested in providing Long-Term Support
for Debian should feel free to join this list. Discussion of policy,
on-going support issues, and anything else relating to LTS are all
on-topic here.


which makes that list appear to me (along with the messages that I
have so far seen posted to it), to be for developers, rather than for
Debian 6 LTS users who are seeking support.

I have just tried to install vlc on this laptop.

At first attempt, it kept prompting for the disc number..., so I
checked the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and found that it was not set
up for LTS.

So, I updated the /etc/apt/sources.list file, as (I believe) shown on
the relevant wiki web page, and ran apt-get update and then apt-get
upgrade, and that apparently included removal of about 3.6MB of
something (it did not say what would be removed).

But, now I can not install vlc.

I get, in the error box (the error classification/description, can not
be copied and pasted),


vlc:
 Depends: vlc-nox but it is not going to be installed
 Depends: libfribidi0 (=0.19.2) but it is not installable
 Depends: libsdl-image1.2 (=1.2.10) but it is not installable
 Depends: libxcb-keysyms1 (=0.3.6) but it is not installable
 Recommends: vlc-plugin-notify but it is not going to be installed
 Recommends: vlc-plugin-pulse but it is not going to be installed


Is vlc no longer installable, on Debian 6?

-- 
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Armadale
West Australia
..

So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means.
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts,
 written by Douglas Adams,
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Re: How to mount a LUKS partition from within GNOME?

2014-08-13 Thread Joerg Desch
Does nobody have a solution for this?

Am Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:21:51 + schrieb Joerg Desch:

 My configuration entries are:
 
 # /etc/crypttab private_luks  /dev/sdb7  none  luks,noauto
 
 # /etc/fstab /dev/mapper/private_luks /media/privates ext4
 user,nofail,noauto,noatime\
 1 2

GNOME (Nautilus) shows me the unmounted LUKS partition. But is labeled 
with the size of the partition. Clicking on the entry mounts the 
partition, but I always have to enter the admin password too.

After this, the partition is mounted, but the entries in fstab/crypttab 
are totally ignored!


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Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-13 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140813_1033+0100, Darac Marjal wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:15:22AM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
  On 8/13/14, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote:
   I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed
   use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a
  
  That would definitely be clearer.
  
  I was interpreting it as some special systemd shutdown-ey thing which
  runs around trying to stop things, and that there might be various of
  these, and one of them has a problem.
 
 Yes, I believe this is the correct interpretation. SystemD will tell all
 services  to stop.  It will  then wait  until all  those sevices  have
 stopped. Some  services will  stop immediately, but  some need  a little
 longer to  flush logs, finish servicing  a request or whatever.  After a
 period of seconds, it appears that SystemD  will pop up a message to the
 effect  of I'm  still  here,  still responding.  I'm  just waiting  for
 service X to tell me it has stopped. Given what was said earlier in the
 thread, I  suspect this will  continue for  90 seconds until  it finally
 gives up waiting.
 
  
  I.e. stop job being a noun.
 

In English, both 'stop job' and 'stopped job' are an adjective
modifying a noun. The noun in both cases is 'job'. 'stop job' is a
noun phrase expressing a type of job, and must be some kind of geeky
usage. OTOH, the noun phrase 'stopped job' is a job that is not
progressing, or not running. But in this context, 'job' must itself
have a geeky, technical jargon meaning. I notice that you render
'systemd' as SystemD, the thought police of systemd object to the
capital D. Be warned. It marks you as not one of the cognoscenti.

There is a lot going on here in the use of language. Systemd people
seem to have developed there own systemd jargon which sounds like UNIX
jargon to the un-initiated. They may believe it is UNIX jargon,
but when closely questioned I think they will reveal a belief system
about UNIX that differs from the mainstream of geeky person's. To them,
it is just UNIX, only better. 

 Stop Command,  perhaps? Stop-Service  command would be  even clearer
 (though  that  literal  command   doesn't  exist).  Perhaps  a  complete
 rewording to Still waiting for Service  $FOO in Session 2 of User $USER
 to stop would be clearest.

Seems good to me, but we don't have a clear idea of what 'Session 2'
is. It might actually be a concept, which, if properly understood
would be better expressed with a totally different ordering of
the words. 

My brother Joe spent his working life at Bell Labs in the same
building as the inventors of UNIX told me decades ago about the go
arounds in the lunch room on topics of word choice in documantation. 
All of them had taken old fashioned high school English on there way 
to earning their engineering or science degree. They cared about 
being understood. He died 2yrs ago. It would have been nice to have
ask him about this situation. I think he actually helped the UNIX 
guys by being a audience on whom to test their language.

I think that all commenters would agree that the message is somewhat
confusing. Something is holding up the process of shutting down some
process. There needs to be a standard glossary of terms to use to
express every particular that the message is attempting to communicate
to the user. And, there needs to be some suggestion of what the user
should do about the situation, or where in the operator's manual to
read further information. It really ought to be easier to understand
than the true meaning of the Book of Genesis.

I should stop. I really have very little firm knowledge of systemd,
just opinions that make sense to me. (tm)

Best regards,
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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2014 #1074

2014-08-13 Thread Jason
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  Re: calendar world cup (portuguese)   [ Beco r...@beco.cc ]
  Re: Social Contract (was ... Re: Iro  [ Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com ]
  default layout for web server (jessi  [ Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com ]
  kernel upgrade in squeeze; was Re: T  [ pe...@easthope.ca ]
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  Re: Social Contract (was ... Re: Iro  [ Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net ]
  Re: networking fails with temporary   [ Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com ]
  Problem with Debian 6 LTS and vlc [ Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com ]
  Re: How to mount a LUKS partition fr  [ Joerg Desch n...@jdesch.de ]
 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:44:16 +0900
 From: Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Cc: debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: par2
 Message-ID: 
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 On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 5:20 AM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote:
 On Sat, 09 Aug 2014 16:08:41 -0400
 Gary Dale garyd...@torfree.net wrote:
 
 Whatever for? There are better checksums and md5 doesn't provide error
 correction? Even the MD5 man page advises using sha checksums instead.
 
 md5sum provides a relatively quick check... if it fails, then use the real
 check, i.e. pars.  This saves [or seems to save] computing resources...
 
 However, it was just a suggestion...
 
 Interesting suggestion. Write the error-correction files, but only
 test them if the md5 checksum fails.
 
 Admittedly, this is not a situation where we are worried about
 attackers, but I'd feel more comfortable, myself, with actually
 checking the full error correction data. Both have holes, but the
 error correction codes provide deeper checks. (Take more space, too,
 but since you want to recover when you can, without referring to
 backups, the space consumption is part of the price you expect to
 pay.)
 
 If I were being paranoid about errors, I think I'd use full backup
 with grandfathering and periodic complete snapshots on permanent file,
 and with both error correction and sha256 checks, to catch as much
 corruption as possible before it gets into the backup files.
 
 -- 
 Joel Rees
 
 Be careful where you see conspiracy.
 Look first in your own heart.
 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 20:56:09 -0300
 From: Beco r...@beco.cc
 To: Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk
 Cc: Lista Debian User debian-user@lists.debian.org
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 /usr/share/calendar appears to be owned by the bsdmainutils package. I
 would suggest filing a wishlist bug against that package with your file
 attached.
 Thanks, Darac! I'll do that.
 
 Cheers,
 Beco
 
 
 
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Re: Nautilus-dropbox

2014-08-13 Thread Geert Stappers
Op 2014-08-12 om 16:33 schreef Paul van der Vlis:
 Hallo,
 
 Een klant wil graag Dropbox gebruiken en daarom probeer ik het pakket
 nautilus-dropbox te installeren. Dat is een pakket wat een closed-source
 programma download en installeerd. Het downloaden gaat tot 100%, maar
 daarna gebeurd er niets meer.

In de post install staat bij 'configure'

unset DISPLAY # No GUI launched from postinst please
dropbox update || true

echo Please restart all running instances of Nautilus, or you will 
expe rience problems. i.e. nautilus --quit


 In de dpkg.log zie ik staan dat het pakket half-configured is.

Dat is een aanwijzig dat 'configure' niet gelukt is.


 Iemand een idee wat er aan de hand is?

Mijn inschatting is dat `dropbox update` ( `dropbox update || true` )
blijft hangen c.q. ergens op wacht ...


 Uiteraard heb ik het meerdere keren geprobeerd, maar het blijft een
 probleem.

Doe de volgende poging in een xterm (of andere grafisch terminal )
Type er

dropbox update

en kijk wat er gebeurd ...


 Ik vind geen bug die dit probleem beschrijft.

Een fantastische mogelijkheid om
de eerste te zijn die de melding wel maakt.


Groeten
Geert Stappers
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# off-list was de URL van het package aangeleverd
screenshot
stappers@nero:~
$ mkdir werkbank
stappers@nero:~
$ cd werkbank/
stappers@nero:~/werkbank
$ wget 
http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nautilus-dropbox/nautilus-dropbox_1.6.2-1_amd64.deb
--2014-08-13 12:46:08--  
http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nautilus-dropbox/nautilus-dropbox_1.6.2-1_amd64.deb
Resolving ftp.nl.debian.org (ftp.nl.debian.org)... 130.89.149.21, 
2001:67c:2564:a120::21
Connecting to ftp.nl.debian.org (ftp.nl.debian.org)|130.89.149.21|:80... 
connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 95076 (93K) [application/x-debian-package]
Saving to: 'nautilus-dropbox_1.6.2-1_amd64.deb'

100%[==] 95,076  --.-K/s   in 0.08s   

2014-08-13 12:46:08 (1.20 MB/s) - 'nautilus-dropbox_1.6.2-1_amd64.deb' saved 
[95076/95076]

stappers@nero:~/werkbank
$ ar x nautilus-dropbox_1.6.2-1_amd64.deb 
stappers@nero:~/werkbank
$ ls
control.tar.gz  data.tar.xz  debian-binary  nautilus-dropbox_1.6.2-1_amd64.deb
stappers@nero:~/werkbank
$ tar tf control.tar.gz 
./
./md5sums
./control
./postrm
./prerm
./postinst
stappers@nero:~/werkbank
$ mkdir control
stappers@nero:~/werkbank
$ cd control/   
stappers@nero:~/werkbank/control
$ tar xf ../control.tar.gz 
stappers@nero:~/werkbank/control
$ less postinst 
#
#   het post install script bekeken
#
screenshot


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radeontop met 100%

2014-08-13 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Hallo,

Ik heb hier een machine die altijd problemen gaf met full-screen video,
Het beeld en geluid liepen dan niet meer synchroon en het beeld haperde
regelmatig. Radeontop gaf dan 100% belasting van de GPU.

Maar met kernel 3.14 uit backports is dit probleem nu weg. en radeontop
blijft onder de 50%!

lspci zegt:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI
Caicos [Radeon HD 6450]

Misschien heeft iemand anders hier ook wat aan.

Interessant aan de videokaart is overigens dat het een PCIe x1 kaart is,
hij past dus in elk PCIe slot. De machine heeft namelijk geen PCIE x16
slot, wat normaal is voor videokaarten. Mocht iemand het merk/type van
de kaart willen weten dan kan ik dat evt. opzoeken.

Groet,
Paul.

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Re: Nautilus-dropbox

2014-08-13 Thread Geert Stappers
Op 2014-08-13 om 18:02 schreef Paul van der Vlis:
 op 13-08-14 13:14, Geert Stappers schreef:
  Op 2014-08-12 om 16:33 schreef Paul van der Vlis:
  Hallo,
 
  Een klant wil graag Dropbox gebruiken en daarom probeer ik het pakket
  nautilus-dropbox te installeren. Dat is een pakket wat een closed-source
  programma download en installeerd. Het downloaden gaat tot 100%, maar
  daarna gebeurd er niets meer.
  
  In de post install staat bij 'configure'
  
  unset DISPLAY # No GUI launched from postinst please
  dropbox update || true
  
  echo Please restart all running instances of Nautilus, or you will 
  expe rience problems. i.e. nautilus --quit
 
 Waar vind je die post install ?

Onderaan vorige e-mail in deze thread.

Daarin staat een debian package een ar bestand is,
en dat je m.b.v.  `ar x` een extract kunt doen.


 knip/
  Uiteraard heb ik het meerdere keren geprobeerd, maar het blijft een
  probleem.
  
  Doe de volgende poging in een xterm (of andere grafisch terminal )
  Type er
  
  dropbox update
  
  en kijk wat er gebeurd ...
 
 Het installeren van het programma lukt al niet goed.

Mijn inschatting is dat de dropbox executable wel reeds
op het systeem ligt. Anders die alsnog uit de 'data.tar.gz' uitpakken
in de root directory.


Groeten
Geert Stappers
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