cups 1.5 et 1.7 paratge d'imprimante sur un autre réseau (relay)
Bonjour, Sur un serveur cups 1.5 j'ai bien réussi à l'interconnecter avec un serveur 1.7 situé de l'autre coté d'un VPN : il voit les imprimantes sur l'autre réseau. Sur mon poste jessie avec cups en 1.7, je vois les imprimantes du 1.5 locales mais pas les imprimantes partagées par le 1.5 et qui sont sur l'autre réseau. wireshark montre que le serveur local emets les annonces pour toutes ces imprimantes : celles sur le réseau local et celles sur le réseau distant. Les annonces contiennent l'adresse du serveur qui les gère. Mon poste est tout a fait capable de rejoindre le réseau distant. J'ai tenté comme dans la doc en ligne un cupsctl --share-printers --remote-any Mais sans succès (je n'ai pas compris non plus ce que cette commande à change dans les fichiers de configuration ni lequel cupsd.conf ou cups-browsed.conf ?) Y a t'il des ACL, une restriction que je n'ai pas débloqué pour voir ces imprimantes ? Cordialement. Yann. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1410847941.4369.9.camel@yan
Quel EDI pour une application node.js ?
Bonjour à tous, Je suis en train de commencer le développement d'une application web sous node.js, et je me pose la question de l'EDI. ...dans l'idéal, quelque chose de pas trop lourd (pas un Eclipse, quoi), que je pourrai également utiliser sur mon tout petit netbook quand je suis dans le train. Merci d'avance, -- Adrien. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5417f760.1040...@creasixtine.com
Re: smbpasswd change le mot de passe général
Bonjour, Le 15/09/2014 20:55, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : On Monday 15 September 2014 19:00:46 Alain Rpnpif wrote: Il y avait longtemps (2 ans ?) que je n'avais utilisé smbpasswd. Quel ne fut ma surprise de découvrir qu'il change pas seulement le mot de passe samba mais aussi le mot de passe général d'un utilisateur comme le fait passwd. Je ne me souvenais pas de ça avant. Est-ce normal, chers comdebianotes ? Alain Rpnpif Etonnant ! smbpasswd réclame un argument pour éviter ce désagrément : http://marionpatrick.free.fr/man_html/html/smbpasswd_8.html Dans la configuration de samba (fichier smb.conf), il y a une option pour cela, unix password sync, qui est à yes dans le fichier livré par Debian (voir aussi les options qui suivent : passwd program, passwd chat et pam password change). Si ce comportement ne convient pas, ce pense que c'est là qu'il faut faire la modif. A+ Jean-Jacques -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5417f7a1.1010...@doti.fr
Re: Quel EDI pour une application node.js ?
Bonjour, Le mardi 16 septembre 2014 à 10:40, Adrien a écrit : Je suis en train de commencer le développement d'une application web sous node.js, et je me pose la question de l'EDI. ...dans l'idéal, quelque chose de pas trop lourd (pas un Eclipse, quoi), que je pourrai également utiliser sur mon tout petit netbook quand je suis dans le train. Ben, pour node.js comme pour tout autre langage/environnement : VIM ! Sinon j'ai découvert récemment Geany : « Geany is a small and lightweight integrated development environment. », pour ton notebook, ça devrait le faire. Seb -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916090155.ga14...@sebian.nob900.homeip.net
Re: Quel EDI pour une application node.js ?
Le 16/09/2014 11:01, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : Bonjour, Le mardi 16 septembre 2014 à 10:40, Adrien a écrit : Je suis en train de commencer le développement d'une application web sous node.js, et je me pose la question de l'EDI. ...dans l'idéal, quelque chose de pas trop lourd (pas un Eclipse, quoi), que je pourrai également utiliser sur mon tout petit netbook quand je suis dans le train. Ben, pour node.js comme pour tout autre langage/environnement : VIM ! Sinon j'ai découvert récemment Geany : « Geany is a small and lightweight integrated development environment. », pour ton notebook, ça devrait le faire. Seb Alors, sans que nous trollions : il se trouve que je connais les 2 commandes vi qui servent à enregistrer et fermer sans sauvegarder, mais c'est tout. Pour emacs, par contre, je l'utilise régulièrement pour org-mode. Mais il faudrait dans ce cas plusieurs choses : - La coloration syntaxique (ok avec les modes js*-mode je pense) ; - L'auto-complétion et la mise en forme automatique : je n'ai jamais trop vu, je regarde le post suivant qui donne des idées : http://truongtx.me/2014/02/23/set-up-javascript-development-environment-in-emacs/ Dans ce cas, si je choisissais emacs j'aurais besoin également de pouvoir choisir la couleur dans emacs (et tout ce genre de choses) ! Adrien. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5417fe71.9010...@creasixtine.com
Lanceur (xfce) / ssh / authorized_keys
mode troll off Je sais qu'il ne faut pas se logger root et surtout pas automatiser la procédure... Mais les serveurs ne sont pas publics, ne sont pas ce que vous voulez, etc. ... et je fais ce que veux ;-) /mode troll off J'ai configurer les répertoires .ssh/ avec authorised_key, know_hosts, id_rsa.pub, priv, dsa, ... afin de me faciliter la vie à partir de MA machine vers plusieurs serveurs que l'on appellera serveur0x. Pour lancer un ssh sur différents serveurs à partir de mon poste Xubuntu, j'ai créé des lanceurs sur le même modèle avec la commande : ssh -X root@serveur01 xterm -fn 9x15 -g 160x50 -title 'serveur01' Si je lance cette commande dans un shell utilisateur (une console ou un xterm), j'ai un xterm de serveur01 qui s'ouvre immédiatement, avec le shell prêt à l'emploi. Si je lance cette commande avec le lanceur, alors une boite de dialogue me demande le password user (root) de serveur01 avant de lancer un xterm Si je lance cette commande avec le lanceur, en mode exécuter dans le terminal, il m'ouvre une 1ere fenêtre vide et aussitôt un Xterm avec le shell prêt à l'emploi... Je ne comprends pas cette différence de comportement ? Comment serveur01 peut il différencier l'expéditeur de la commande ou ne pas le reconnaître ? Any hints ? Merci Pierre -- Pro. Signature Pierre Touzeau -- Chargé de mission / Préfecture de region Basse-Normandie SGAR/rue Daniel HUET/14038 CAEN CEDEX/Tel: +33 231 306 306 pierre.touz...@basse-normandie.pref.gouv.fr / Fax: ... 564 --
Re: Lanceur (xfce) / ssh / authorized_keys
Le 16/09/2014 15:30, Pierre TOUZEAU a écrit : ssh -X root@serveur01 xterm -fn 9x15 -g 160x50 -title 'serveur01' Pas sur que ça change quoi que ce soit à ton soucis mais j'aurais fait comme ça : xterm -fn 9x15 -g 160x50 -title 'serveur01' -e ssh -X root@serveur01 -- Pascal -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54183e9b.5050...@univ-orleans.fr
Re: Lanceur (xfce) / ssh / authorized_keys
Le mardi 16 septembre 2014 à 15:30, Pierre TOUZEAU a écrit : Pour lancer un ssh sur différents serveurs à partir de mon poste Xubuntu, j'ai créé des lanceurs sur le même modèle avec la commande : ssh -X root@serveur01 xterm -fn 9x15 -g 160x50 -title 'serveur01' Ça me paraît un peu lourd, le xterm complet (donc le contenu de la fenêtre pixel par pixel) va transiter par la connexion SSH. Si un jour le lien réseau est un peu lent les interactions vont devenir franchement désagréables (et c'est toujours le jour où tu n'as pas besoin de ça que ça arrive). À ta place, j'installerais screen sur chacun des serveurs, te permettant d'avoir (presque) autant de fenêtres que tu le voudras avec une seule connexion au serveur (et plein d'autres trucs pratiques en plus). Je ne comprends pas cette différence de comportement ? Comment serveur01 peut il différencier l'expéditeur de la commande ou ne pas le reconnaître ? Il doit y avoir une différence dans l'environnement entre les deux méthodes. Si tu remplaces ta commande « ssh -X [...] » par la commande « /usr/bin/env », tu pourras comparer les deux environnements et peut-être trouver ce qui dérange. Seb -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916140353.gg14...@sebian.nob900.homeip.net
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Bonjour Je sollicite votre avis avant de me lancer: quel système de fichiers choisir pour une sauvegarde régulière vers un disque dur externe ? Le tout avec rsync. Et pas mal de fichiers. Je cherche avant tout la solidité et les possibilités de récupération en cas de crash. Cordialement Mahashakti89
Re: Lanceur (xfce) / ssh / authorized_keys
À ta place, j'installerais screen sur chacun des serveurs, te permettant d'avoir (presque) autant de fenêtres que tu le voudras avec une seule connexion au serveur (et plein d'autres trucs pratiques en plus). héhé :) pardon hein, mais tmux envoie quand même tellement mieux ! enfin pour mon usage (root de quelques serveurs, principalement lamp, vpn et autres services qui doivent tourner en foreground). J'ai d'abord utilisé screen pendant quelques années, puis un jour j'ai testé tmux. j'ai jamais réinstallé screen ! tchop! -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAGKqBr¿vjmzygr-lrdgmmftwgpumk1v2ykjpghndruj0m...@mail.gmail.com
Avec le sujet c'est mieux : Rsync et le système de fichiers qui va bien
Bonjour Je sollicite votre avis avant de me lancer: quel système de fichiers choisir pour une sauvegarde régulière vers un disque dur externe ? Le tout avec rsync. Et pas mal de fichiers. Je cherche avant tout la solidité et les possibilités de récupération en cas de crash. Cordialement Mahashakti89
[résolu] Re: Lanceur (xfce) / ssh / authorized_keys
Bon, je n'ai pas formellement résolu le problème, mais en remplaçant rxvt ou xterm par : xfce4-terminal alors cela fonctionne... la commande : xfce4-terminal --geometry 160x50 -T 'serveur01' -x ssh -X root@serveur01 ne demande pas de password intempestif. /usr/bin/env : Il y avait bien des différences d'environnements, notamment sur GPG_AGENT_INFO=/run/user/46674/keyring-IXCRlI/gpg:0:1 SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/46674/keyring-IXCRlI/ssh (pour xfce4-terminal) contre SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-AJVYZfzJeGpU/agent.1974 (pour rxvt ou xterm) C'est donc le programme xfce4-terminal qui se comporte différemment de rxvt ou xterm ??? étonnant... Il y a sans doute à creuser, mais bon... Et je regarderais screen et...tmux ;-) Merci Pierre Le 16/09/2014 16:03, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : Le mardi 16 septembre 2014 à 15:30, Pierre TOUZEAU a écrit : Pour lancer un ssh sur différents serveurs à partir de mon poste Xubuntu, j'ai créé des lanceurs sur le même modèle avec la commande : ssh -X root@serveur01 xterm -fn 9x15 -g 160x50 -title 'serveur01' Ça me paraît un peu lourd, le xterm complet (donc le contenu de la fenêtre pixel par pixel) va transiter par la connexion SSH. Si un jour le lien réseau est un peu lent les interactions vont devenir franchement désagréables (et c'est toujours le jour où tu n'as pas besoin de ça que ça arrive). À ta place, j'installerais screen sur chacun des serveurs, te permettant d'avoir (presque) autant de fenêtres que tu le voudras avec une seule connexion au serveur (et plein d'autres trucs pratiques en plus). Je ne comprends pas cette différence de comportement ? Comment serveur01 peut il différencier l'expéditeur de la commande ou ne pas le reconnaître ? Il doit y avoir une différence dans l'environnement entre les deux méthodes. Si tu remplaces ta commande « ssh -X [...] » par la commande « /usr/bin/env », tu pourras comparer les deux environnements et peut-être trouver ce qui dérange. Seb -- Pro. Signature Pierre Touzeau -- Chargé de mission / Préfecture de region Basse-Normandie SGAR/rue Daniel HUET/14038 CAEN CEDEX/Tel: +33 231 306 306 pierre.touz...@basse-normandie.pref.gouv.fr / Fax: ... 564 --
Re: Lanceur (xfce) / ssh / authorized_keys
Salut, Le 16/09/2014 15:30, Pierre TOUZEAU a écrit : […] J'ai configuré les répertoires .ssh/ avec authorised_key, know_hosts, id_rsa.pub, priv, dsa, ... afin de me faciliter la vie à partir de MA machine vers plusieurs serveurs que l'on appellera serveur0x. Pour lancer un ssh sur différents serveurs à partir de mon poste Xubuntu, j'ai créé des lanceurs sur le même modèle avec la commande : ssh -X root@serveur01 xterm -fn 9x15 -g 160x50 -title 'serveur01' Comme dit précédemment, il me semble préférable de lancer un terminal local exécutant la commande ssh de connexion au serveur. Si je lance cette commande dans un shell utilisateur (une console ou un xterm), j'ai un xterm de serveur01 qui s'ouvre immédiatement, avec le shell prêt à l'emploi. Même avec une console Linux ? Quel est ton serveur d'affichage dans ce cas-là ? Si je lance cette commande avec le lanceur, alors une boite de dialogue me demande le password user (root) de serveur01 avant de lancer un xterm Tu es bien sûr que c'est le mot de passe root de serveur01 qui est demandé ? ;-) Si je lance cette commande avec le lanceur, en mode exécuter dans le terminal, il m'ouvre une 1ere fenêtre vide et aussitôt un Xterm avec le shell prêt à l'emploi... Ça, c'est normal : si tu coches exécuter dans un terminal, mets juste la commande ssh -X root@serveur01 dans ton lanceur. Je ne comprends pas cette différence de comportement ? Comment serveur01 peut il différencier l'expéditeur de la commande ou ne pas le reconnaître ? À mon avis, serveur01 ne différencie rien du tout : c'est du côté de ta machine que cela se passe. Est-ce que ta clé SSH est protégée par une passphrase ? Est-ce que ssh-agent tourne dans ta session utilisateur ? Après t'être connecté une première fois en rentrant ton mot de passe, est-ce que l'on te demande de nouveau ce mot de passe lors des connexions suivantes ? Est-ce que la variable SSH_ASKPASS existe dans ton environnement. Lorsque ssh ou ssh-add ont besoin d'un mot de passe, le comportement est différent, suivant que le programme s'exécute dans un terminal ou pas : - dans un terminal, le mot de passe est demandé en ligne ; - en l'absence de terminal, et si on est dans une session graphique, on utilise le programme indiqué par SSH_ASKPASS (normalement ssh-askpass) qui ouvre une boîte de duialogue. Le comportement que tu décris ressemble à ce qui se passerait avec ssh-add : à la première utilisation d'une clé privée le mot de passe est demandé. Si on est dans un terminal, le mot de passe est demandé en ligne. Sinon, et lorsqu'il y a une session graphique, c'est une boite de dialogue qui apparaît… mais dans ce cas, c'est la passphrase de la clé privée qu'il faut rentrer et pas le mot de passe de root sur le serveur distant (mais il sont peut-être identiques chez toi : tu «fais ce que veux ;-)»). A+ Jean-Jacques smime.p7s Description: Signature cryptographique S/MIME
Re: Avec le sujet c'est mieux : Rsync et le système de fichiers qui va bien
Le 16/09/2014 17:06, mahashakti a écrit : Bonjour Je sollicite votre avis avant de me lancer: quel système de fichiers choisir pour une sauvegarde régulière vers un disque dur externe ? Le tout avec rsync. Et pas mal de fichiers. Je cherche avant tout la solidité et les possibilités de récupération en cas de crash. Cordialement Mahashakti89 Salut, N'importe quel FS journalisé (ext3-ext4-BtrFS...) devrait répondre à ton besoin... En cas de crash logiciel, tu peux toujours récupérer tes données. Aucun FS ne te protégera contre un crash matériel ce qui est la plaie des disques externes... Si tu veux de l'historisation, il faut penser à utiliser rsync avec des scripts utilisant les liens durs (hard link)... Mes 2 cents Mourad -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54185ba2.8040...@nativobject.net
Microsoft achète Minecraft, comment installer un serveur Minetest sur Debian
Bonjour, Comme vous avez probablement vu Microsoft rachète Mojang, l'éditeur de Minecraft: http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/microsoft-rachete-mojang-editeur-de-minecraft-pour-25-mds-de-dollars-39806329.htm Il y a quelques mois j'avais mis en ligne une doc (depuis améliorée par d'autres) détaillant l'installation de Minetest sous Debian Jessie: http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server/Debian N'hésitez pas à la partager et l'améliorer si vous croisez des joueurs à la recherche d'alternatives... A+ Fabian -- Fabián Rodríguez - XMPP/Jabber+OTR: magic...@member.fsf.org http://debian.magicfab.ca -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54186bee.10...@member.fsf.org
Re: Quel EDI pour une application node.js ?
Le mardi 16 septembre 2014, 11:10:09 Adrien a écrit : […] Dans ce cas, si je choisissais emacs j'aurais besoin également de pouvoir choisir la couleur dans emacs (et tout ce genre de choses) ! Ça existe (forcément : Emacs !). Ça s’appelle « custom theme » (ou « color theme »). Cf. menu Options/Customize Emacs/Custom Theme… Sinon, une simple recherche Emacs+theme… -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4201128.QAU6DNKHCE@earendil
Re: Quel EDI pour une application node.js ?
Le 16/09/2014 23:06, Sylvain L. Sauvage a écrit : Le mardi 16 septembre 2014, 11:10:09 Adrien a écrit : […] Dans ce cas, si je choisissais emacs j'aurais besoin également de pouvoir choisir la couleur dans emacs (et tout ce genre de choses) ! Ça existe (forcément : Emacs !). Ça s’appelle « custom theme » (ou « color theme »). Cf. menu Options/Customize Emacs/Custom Theme… Sinon, une simple recherche Emacs+theme… Non, non... Je n'ai pas dû être clair : je parlais d'avoir un nuancier de couleurs, afin de pouvoir choisir directement celle-ci pendant l'édition du fichier CSS ! Adrien. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5418a6de.2030...@creasixtine.com
Re: Avec le sujet c'est mieux : Rsync et le système de fichiers qui va bien
Le mardi 16 septembre 2014, 17:47:46 C. Mourad Jaber a écrit : […] Si tu veux de l'historisation, il faut penser à utiliser rsync avec des scripts utilisant les liens durs (hard link)... Ou utiliser des snapshots (BTRFS et ZFS). (Ou au moins des scripts ou applications déjà faits qui évitent de réinventer la roue carrée…) -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1524025.zNgbqLUJQh@earendil
Re: Quel EDI pour une application node.js ?
Le mardi 16 septembre 2014, 23:08:46 Adrien a écrit : […] Non, non... Je n'ai pas dû être clair : je parlais d'avoir un nuancier de couleurs, afin de pouvoir choisir directement celle-ci pendant l'édition du fichier CSS ! Ah. (Tu parlais de JS, pas de CSS…) Sinon, ça existe aussi (forcément : Emacs !) : — il y a au moins la fonction list-colors-display ; — il y a des paquets/exemples qui traînent pour afficher les couleurs dans leur couleur (p.ex. #ff est affiché sur fond bleu) ; — il y a un paquet make-color pour choisir une couleur en tripotant ses valeurs ( http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MakeColor ) ; etc. (Je ne fais rien de cela donc c’est la preuve que ça n’est vraiment pas difficile à trouver tout seul…) -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4438817.OszlFVPQCG@earendil
Re: Avec le sujet c'est mieux : Rsync et le système de fichiers qui va bien
Bonsoir, C. Mourad Jaber a écrit : Aucun FS ne te protégera contre un crash matériel ce qui est la plaie des disques externes... Ou plutôt « ce qui est la plaie de tout système de stockage ». Et contre cela, un seul remède : il faut multiplier les systèmes de stockage, si possible sur des sites géographiques différents. Et au passage, voici un petit conseil : ne laissez jamais le disque dur externe connecté en dehors des opérations de sauvegarde. Voici deux ans, le disque dur externe de sauvegarde d'un collègue a grillé en même temps que le PC sauvegardé lorsque ce dernier a été victime d'un court-circuit (et accessoirement d'un début d'incendie). Si tu veux de l'historisation, il faut penser à utiliser rsync avec des scripts utilisant les liens durs (hard link)... Mieux que le hard link, je préconise l'utilisation de rdiff-backup [1], outil qui peut paraître rustique (et qui l'est sous certains aspects) mais qui a moult avantages, le principal étant la compacité des sauvegardes différentielles (on peut stocker un long historique sans consommer trop d'espace), le second l'approche « r(everse )diff » : la sauvegarde complète correspond toujours à la dernière sauvegarde et les « r(everse )diff » permettent de remonter dans le passé (d'habitude, c'est le contraire). Du coup, il n'est plus nécessaire de faire une sauvegarde complète une fois la première réalisée (c'est important dans le cadre de sauvegardes distantes avec une faible bande passante montante) et pour conserver un historique glissant, il suffit à rdiff-backup de supprimer les « r(everse )diff » les plus anciens. Seule ombre (de taille) au tableau : il n'est plus maintenu. Mais j'utilise rdiff-backup sur une douzaine de serveurs depuis quatre ans, j'ai déjà eu besoin des sauvegardes et je n'ai jamais rencontré le moindre bogue. Je ne vais pas être péremptoire et dire que c'est le meilleur outil de sauvegarde de tous les temps mais simplement que c'est le meilleur outil de sauvegarde parmi tous ceux que j'ai pu essayer. ;) Sébastien [1] http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/ -- Sébastien Dinot, sebastien.di...@free.fr http://sebastien.dinot.free.fr/ Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer ! -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916213747.ga7...@hector.home.dinot.net
[testing] problème d'impression avec imprimante HP
Bonjour, Je viens de constater que je ne peux plus imprimer sur ma testing et une imprimante HP Deskjet 5652. Ce problème est relativement récent car j'ai imprimé il y a moins de 2 mois. Si je lance une détection d'imprimante pour en ajouter une il me l'a voit bien et me l'isntalle mais ensuite quand j'essaie d'imprimer ça me dit qu'il y a une Device communication error (5012). Un lsusb me montre bien l'imprimante. Mais quand je lance un diagnose HPLIP Driver dans le HP Device manager ça me sort un warning sur une dépendance optionnelle : Missing Optional Dependencies - error: 'python-reportlab' package is missing/incompatible J'ai bien python-reportlab qui est installé, ça ne doit donc pas être la bonne version ... Et ensuite: error: Device busy: hp:/usb/deskjet_5600?serial=MY35M1P4DK89 error: Device not found error: Communication status: Failed Et dans messages le seul truc que je vois c'est : org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing [2036]: /usr/share/system-config-printer/monitor.py:757: Warning: Source ID 119 was not found when attempting to remove it org.fedoraproject.Config.Printing[2036]: GLib.source_remove (self.update_timer) Une idée ? Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140917002058.6dbb19f5f10a7d5d39e54...@neuf.fr
Re: Avec le sujet c'est mieux : Rsync et le système de fichiers qui va bien
Hello, [ rdiff-backup, tout ça...] Je ne vais pas être péremptoire et dire que c'est le meilleur outil de sauvegarde de tous les temps mais simplement que c'est le meilleur outil de sauvegarde parmi tous ceux que j'ai pu essayer. ;) J'ai voulu le tester, et en effet, j'ai été arrêté par sa rusticité. Pour ma part j'utilise un script rsync, qui utilise les hardlinks. ici : http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?cb1d48f07245879e#2TkAHKxuq2s5oAc7V9Pd+bbq/QY7kHDJ/gcs7HzjWLk= :) -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAGKqBrkhCqjMxExg0acPQE5j+E=nqw1trynp8yfvqeabsew...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT]App de música en Android no funciona.
El Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:07:40 -0300, Roberto Quiñones escribió: El sep 15, 2014 11:52 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) pareces una auto contestadora que respondes a todo por eso esta lista tiene tantos temas que no hacen relación a debían si personas como tu responde a todo. Por decir algo. Por decir algo es precisamente por lo que la lista se llena de mensajes vacíos de contenido. Me trae sin cuidado, pues lo mio es un problema de configurar en mi móvil los correo en otro formato que no sea html o que cumpla las normas de la lista, pero tu con tu buen animo de ayudar siempre que es bien agradecido, tampoco te mides en que contestas inclusive en aquellos temas que no tienen relación con debían. Me parece que no estás leyendo lo que escribes porque básicamente pretendes que el resto de la gente haga lo que a ti te trae sin cuidado hacer. En fin, no hay más. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.09.16.13.14...@gmail.com
Re: Error al instalar FFMPEG y MENCODER
El Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:59:10 -0500, Debia Linux escribió: He tenido problemas severos con ffmpeg, nunca he tenido problemas para instalar tanto este como mencoder. siempre utilizo la herramienta apt-get install ffmpeg mencoder La uso y sin problemas, todo se instala. Pero ahora al instalar Jessie (Version Testing) ejecuto apt-get install ffmpeg Package ffmpeg is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'ffmpeg' has no installation candidate Ya cambie los repositorios de no se cuantos paises, ejecuto apt-get update y sigue en lo mismo. ¿Alguna idea para instalar mediante apt?. En Debian se optó por el fork libav-tools, pero el paquete original está a punto de volver a los repos¹ aunque también lo tendrás disponible ya mismo en Debian Multimedia. ¹http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTYxNjA Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.09.16.13.22...@gmail.com
Re: Pregunta... Sobre Paquetes INSTALADORES
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:46:08PM -0300, Angel Claudio Alvarez wrote: Debian es una distro creada por desarrolladores y hecha para desarrolladores y administradores de sistemas, no para el escritorio del usuario comun [cita requerida] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916135910.ga5...@cantor.unex.es
Re: Pregunta... Sobre Paquetes INSTALADORES
2014-09-13 17:45 GMT-05:00 Rivera Valdez riveraval...@ysinembargo.com: Pregunto (desde mi evidente ignorancia): Cuando se empaqueta el programa y se genera el .deb, ¿no es posible hacerlo de modo tal que contenga todas las dependencias necesarias (en alguna versión apropiada) para que se instalen en tanto A. no haya una versión más reciente o apropiada disponible en el sistema y B. no entre en conflicto con otros paquetes? ¿No es posible añadir las dependencias como archivos extra al .deb y permitir que el instalador las use como una fuente/repositorio más en tanto no entre en conflicto con otros paquetes? Perdón si la pregunta es muy torpe, acepto sin más un RTFM ;) Eso es lo que suelen hacer por ejemplo los videojuegos y otros paquetes no libres, las bibliotecas necesarias vienen en el paquete deb, no como paquetes extra sino simplemente archivos en algun directorio y para correr el juego se ejecuta un script que setea la variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH antes de correr el juego mismo. No es necesario inventar nada nuevo para hacerlo. No quieres instalar esas dependencias como paquetes extra por que pueden entrar en conflicto con otros paquetes con el mismo nombre. Mantenerlo todo dentro del directorio de la aplicación (generalmente /opt) evita conflictos. Saludos -- A menudo unas pocas horas de Prueba y error podrán ahorrarte minutos de leer manuales. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAABYcjPh4aLVp4J8hcpicgZ0JRh-=jd277tpoubustteumk...@mail.gmail.com
Debian problemas con caracteres inlegibles
Buena .Tengo Debian 7 y se esta presentado u problema con los caracteres al momento de escribir o olocar contraseña. Solo sucede en la parte de interfaz grafica, para no cueando me coento por consola via ssh. Empieza a escribir caracteres que no me permite ingresar por interfaz gnome. A que se debera este comportamiento?
Re: Debian problemas con caracteres inlegibles
2014-09-16 15:15 GMT-05:00 Vincent Romero vincerom...@gmail.com: Buena .Tengo Debian 7 y se esta presentado u problema con los caracteres al momento de escribir o olocar contraseña. Solo sucede en la parte de interfaz grafica, para no cueando me coento por consola via ssh. Empieza a escribir caracteres que no me permite ingresar por interfaz gnome. A que se debera este comportamiento? Por interfaz gnome te refieres a gdm3 o lightdm? usas algún caracter fuera de [0-9a-zA-Z]? verifica que el idioma del teclado sea el correcto. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caabycjmyajud8zucfvnybpvoehjgfo_12ozqrxthlpfathq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian problemas con caracteres inlegibles
A mi me pasa exactamente eso al usar gnome-fallback en Ubuntu. Sucede que yo tengo habilitados varios teclados, y cuando arranca el sustema aparece en checo y no en español. Y aunque los caracteres son exactamente los mismos, es decir, em ambos teclados el resultado de la contraseña es correcto, si no tengo el cuidado de cambiar el teclado a español antes de escribir la contraseña, me marca error. Tengo la impresión de que es un error relacionado en tu caso. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAACnk7bc7-=oy27rN63TZzZvaBdp=9kd2u0wudmapqarwsa...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Pregunta... Sobre Paquetes INSTALADORES
Hola Marco. Por favor permíteme una pequeña aclaratoria. El 14/09/14 a las 09:48, Marco escibió: Hola... y es por eso que existen varios versiobss de Debian GNU/Linux Stable Testing Unstable Experimental* (alpha-testing :) Experimental no es una versión, aquí te lo indica: https://wiki.debian.org/es/DebianReleases Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541912b0.1040...@gmail.com
Re: reportando un bug
El 14/09/14 a las 23:00, DACD escibió: Hola qué tal. Me he dado cuenta de que al trabajar con dos pantallas diferentes (la integrada del portátil y una pantalla externa), al colocar la externa como secundaria ocurría un error en la primaria (portátil), porque se veía una franja azul en la parte de arriba. Luego volví a dejarlas en modo espejo, pero seguía viéndose esa franja azul en la parte superior. Uso debian 7.6. weezy. Muchas gracias. Pues es probable que el problema no sea un bug como tu sugieres. Yo trabajo desde hace casi 2 años con 2 pantallas en mi portátil sin ningún problema. De paso te menciono que ambas son radicalmente en cuanto a resolución y formato, la del portátil es tipo widescreen y la externa es una viejita tipo 4:3 y ambas funcionaban de lo mejor ( la externa se me dañó hace un par de días). De todas formas como ya te han indicado es necesario que des mas información. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541916e7.4020...@gmail.com
Re: reportando un bug
2014-09-17 0:06 GMT-05:00 Juan Lavieri jlavi...@gmail.com: El 14/09/14 a las 23:00, DACD escibió: Hola qué tal. Me he dado cuenta de que al trabajar con dos pantallas diferentes (la integrada del portátil y una pantalla externa), al colocar la externa como secundaria ocurría un error en la primaria (portátil), porque se veía una franja azul en la parte de arriba. Luego volví a dejarlas en modo espejo, pero seguía viéndose esa franja azul en la parte superior. Uso debian 7.6. weezy. Muchas gracias. Es cierto, en esto tiene que ver mucho el driver. Tenía una laptop (con Wheezy), y con dos monitores se moría. Y en mi PC el driver de la tarjeta gráfica crasheaba al bootear :/ (solo atiné a cambiar de distro). Brinda más info sobre tu hardware y se te abrirán más alternativas. Pues es probable que el problema no sea un bug como tu sugieres. Yo trabajo desde hace casi 2 años con 2 pantallas en mi portátil sin ningún problema. De paso te menciono que ambas son radicalmente en cuanto a resolución y formato, la del portátil es tipo widescreen y la externa es una viejita tipo 4:3 y ambas funcionaban de lo mejor ( la externa se me dañó hace un par de días). De todas formas como ya te han indicado es necesario que des mas información. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541916e7.4020...@gmail.com -- ~ Happy install ! Erick. --- IRC : zerick About : http://about.me/zerick Linux User ID : 549567
google chrome och debian stable
Hej! Om ni kör Debian stable och undrar varför Flash totalkraschar hela tiden i senaste stabila Google Chrome Stable (37.0.2062.120-1) så är det för att den förväntar sig glibc 2.14 eller nyare. Och Debian stable har 2.13 just nu. En workaround för detta är att ladda hem senaste versionen som funkade med glibc 2.13, mig veterligen 37.0.2062.94-1 (exempelvis härifrån: http://mirror.pcbeta.com/google/chrome/deb/pool/main/g/google-chrome-stable/), och byta ut /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so mot den libpepflashplayer.so som finns i 37.0.2062.94-1. Det finns förstås andra sätt att gå tillväga på, men detta passade mig och fungerar därtill alldeles utmärkt. /Joakim -- http://www.df.lth.se/~jokke/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5417e9ee.5050...@df.lth.se
Re: Skicka svar till listan från GMails Webmail
On 2014-09-15 16:52, Andreas Rönnquist wrote: Frågan är hur många av dessa som använder webbmailen... +1 (En av de stora fördelarna med Gmail är ju att deras IMAP-server funkar jättebra.) /Joakim -- http://www.df.lth.se/~jokke/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5417ebff.1060...@df.lth.se
Re: systemd
On 2014-09-15 17:16, Olof Johansson wrote: Jag gillade sysvinit (and still do!), men systemd ska väl gå bra det med... Ja, har man problem med experimentella features och framåttänk så har Linux aldrig varit ett bra alternativ för den som inte vill bli missnöjd. För purister och traditionalister som vill bli vid det gamla skulle jag rekommendera (mitt andra favorit-OS) OpenBSD. Jag litar på Debian-ledningen. Det har jag gjort sedan 1990-talet, och det har varit stor succé för min del. /Joakim -- http://www.df.lth.se/~jokke/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5417eb9c.3090...@df.lth.se
Re: systemd
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:49:48 +0200 Joakim Roubert jo...@df.lth.se wrote: On 2014-09-15 17:16, Olof Johansson wrote: Jag gillade sysvinit (and still do!), men systemd ska väl gå bra det med... Ja, har man problem med experimentella features och framåttänk så har Linux aldrig varit ett bra alternativ för den som inte vill bli missnöjd. För purister och traditionalister som vill bli vid det gamla skulle jag rekommendera (mitt andra favorit-OS) OpenBSD. Jag litar på Debian-ledningen. Det har jag gjort sedan 1990-talet, och det har varit stor succé för min del. /Joakim Instämmer, litar också på Debian, men det känns ändå inte helt bra. Rätt eller fel, men min erfarenhet är att komplicerade saker ganska ofta är det helt i onödan. /Janne -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916105035.330b8867@igor
Re: Nordic Debian meetup at FSCONS Göteborg, Sweden 31 oct - 2 nov
On 2014-09-15 21:03 +0200, Per Andersson wrote: In about 1,5 months FSCONS (Free Society Conference and Nordic Summit) takes place in Göteborg, Sweden; the actual dates are 31 october to 2 november. [0] I have previously written about this to debian-project and to those Debian Developers who state residence in the nordic region. [1] There is also a wiki page on the Debian wiki, I have the intention of adding more information here once the conference comes closer. [2] In short: We have a Debian Room during the conference. My intention is to have a Deb.I.Y., where attendees ad-hoc come to discuss and do things with Debian as a base. I would also like to start a Nordic (and Swedish) Debian community. (Depending on visitors we could have activities such as bug squashing, talks, workshops, etc; there is always work and things to discuss!) Everyone with a OpenPGP-key should also bring key slips and participate in the keysigning, should there be one. See you there! I'm planning to attend. Very welcome initiative to build up a strong Debian community in Sweden/Scandinavia! Cheers, -- --- | Olof Johansson http://stdlib.se/ | | irc: zibri https://github.com/olof | --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916093212.gv8...@brutus.ethup.se
Re: Ativar layer 7
Vc sabe o que é layer 7? Helio Loureiro -= sent by Android =- On Sep 15, 2014 9:53 PM, Sérgio Abrantes Junior sergioabran...@gmail.com wrote: Olá pessoal, Para ativar o layer 7 somente mesmo recompilando ou existe alguma outra alternativa? Minha preocupação é sempre ficar recompilando para um novo kernel e reiniciar a máquina para validar. Até! Sérgio Abrantes
Re: Ativar layer 7
Olá Helio, Preciso criar umas regras no iptables. Pelo que vi, será necessário recompilar adicionando um patch com suporte. Até Sérgio Abrantes Em 16/09/2014 17:46, Helio Loureiro he...@loureiro.eng.br escreveu: Vc sabe o que é layer 7? Helio Loureiro -= sent by Android =- On Sep 15, 2014 9:53 PM, Sérgio Abrantes Junior sergioabran...@gmail.com wrote: Olá pessoal, Para ativar o layer 7 somente mesmo recompilando ou existe alguma outra alternativa? Minha preocupação é sempre ficar recompilando para um novo kernel e reiniciar a máquina para validar. Até! Sérgio Abrantes
Re: Ativar layer 7
On 15-09-2014 16:52, Sérgio Abrantes Junior wrote: Olá pessoal, Para ativar o layer 7 somente mesmo recompilando ou existe alguma outra alternativa? Minha preocupação é sempre ficar recompilando para um novo kernel e reiniciar a máquina para validar. Até! Sérgio Abrantes Saudações Sérgio, Sim, é necessário a compilação de um novo kernel. O kernel dever ser da série 2.4 ou 2.6; o 2.6 é o recomendado. http://l7-filter.clearfoundation.com/start http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/HOWTO-kernel Não se preocupe, em um primeiro momento, com a constante recompilação... um kernel devidamente configurado vai rodar por anos a fio sem te dar dores de cabeça. Perdoe-me a curiosidade, mas, o Untangle 10 ( Debian 6 ) não revolveria o seu problema? Ele tem um modulo chamado Application Control Lite que usa o Layer7. http://wiki.untangle.com/index.php/10.0.0_Changelog#New_Debian.2FKernel http://www.untangle.com/ http://demo.untangle.com/ Sucesso, ___ Francisco C Soares ( *Junior* ) 403790c89847cdbe5a262146de8fb93139c4 BLOG dotjunior.blogspot.com http://dotjunior.blogspot.com/
[OT] Servidor de DNS Dinâmico
Pessoal, desculpem pelo OT, mas é urgente e estou desatualizado neste assunto. Preciso de um serviço de DNS Dinâmico. Usava no século passado o DynDNS, mas hoje ele é pago. Alguém aqui ainda usa este tipo de serviço? O que vocês recomendam como opção gratuita? Ou recomendam pagar um serviço? -- Enviado de um dispositivo móvel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAEMA1k8-VHbTnrhEdfe0Mr9rke-JCRtMLmB7-HJ3d=kzj_t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [OT] Servidor de DNS Dinâmico
Que tal dnsdynamic.org ou noip.com? On 16-09-2014 19:01, China wrote: Pessoal, desculpem pelo OT, mas é urgente e estou desatualizado neste assunto. Preciso de um serviço de DNS Dinâmico. Usava no século passado o DynDNS, mas hoje ele é pago. Alguém aqui ainda usa este tipo de serviço? O que vocês recomendam como opção gratuita? Ou recomendam pagar um serviço? -- Tiago™ É bom tudo aquilo que faço que diminui o meu poder sobre outra pessoa; é ruim tudo aquilo que faço que aumenta o meu poder sobre ela.” Antônio Joaquim Severino -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5418e79a.6040...@openmailbox.org
OF - latex
lista por acaso alguém conhece alguma lista de discossão em português sobre a ferramenta LaTeX? obrigado. .''`. Caio Abreu Ferreira : :' : abreuf...@gmail.com `. `'` Debian User `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajrsrclvimgy7xmtuwr-414uzvvmunn2w5pcv31ud-hwe3z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: OF - latex
Não conheço, mas gostaria também de saber se há. Poderia ser o caso de se começar uma. Aqui no Brasil, infelizmente, o $\LaTeXe$ não é tão utilizado quanto deveria Em 16-09-2014 23:44, Caio Ferreira escreveu: lista por acaso alguém conhece alguma lista de discossão em português sobre a ferramenta LaTeX? obrigado. .''`. Caio Abreu Ferreira : :' : abreuf...@gmail.com `. `'` Debian User `- signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: OF - latex
la...@polignu.org e latex...@googlegroups.com Sao duas que eu conheço Em 16/09/2014 23:44, Caio Ferreira abreuf...@gmail.com escreveu: lista por acaso alguém conhece alguma lista de discossão em português sobre a ferramenta LaTeX? obrigado. .''`. Caio Abreu Ferreira : :' : abreuf...@gmail.com `. `'` Debian User `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cajrsrclvimgy7xmtuwr-414uzvvmunn2w5pcv31ud-hwe3z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On 15/09/14 at 02:15pm, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014, Joel Roth wrote: I think it should be possible to find or create a forum for those who are concerned about this issue. I know that I would subscribe. Please create one and subscribe. It's trivial to create mailing lists on lists.alioth.debian.org, or you can use non-Debian resources. Let me know when you've done so, and I'll be happy to point anyone who continues to post to this mailing list about systemd there. I can also sympathize with those who don't want this list dominated by a flame war. Yes, please. The pro/anti systemd discussion isn't on topic for this mailing list. God (or whatever of your choice) bless you -- « Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus » -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916061157.gb2...@gmail.com
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote: Bartosz Olender writes: Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion reminding that GNU is *Not* Unix May I recall that most of the systemd-haters knows the recursive expansion of GNU? Most of us are no interested in what Stallman or whoever created back in 1995. We don't think of Linux as GNU. Linux is much more Unix than anything else. And it certainly is _not_ what GNU was back then. According to your knowledge of history I would say speak for yourself. In 1995 the Linux kernel version was over 1.0, and Linux kernel without the GNU software would have been another useless piece of software as is any kernel without an userland. And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of some command in an improved Unix experience. but the GNU business grates on me! Sorry? Should we add some dressing to the barbecue? O.K. I am not an English native speaker. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/21527.57368.617074.294...@mail.eng.it
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On 15/09/2014, Bartosz Olender bartek.olen...@gmail.com wrote: snip Plan 9 is considered a spiritual successor to UNIX with it's principles taken to the extreme. But it never took off, it's still researched on but as I see it, besides researching how far we can push this UNIX concept, I don't think we will see a practical use for it. Plan 9 ? Oh, right. At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space is the apparent explanation of plan 9; Plan 9 from Outer Space From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This article is about the 1959 film. For the video game of the same name, see Plan 9 from Outer Space (video game). Plan 9 from Outer Space (originally titled Grave Robbers from Outer Space, or simply known as Plan 9) is a 1959 American science fiction thriller film written and directed by Ed Wood and released by Distributors Corporation of America (as Valiant Pictures). The film stars Gregory Walcott, Mona McKinnon, Tor Johnson and Maila Vampira Nurmi. The film bills Bela Lugosi posthumously as a star, although silent footage of the actor had been shot by Wood for another, unfinished project just before Lugosi's death in 1956. The plot of the film involves extraterrestrial beings who are seeking to stop humanity from creating a doomsday weapon that would destroy the universe. In the course of doing so, the aliens implement Plan 9. It's a scheme to resurrect the Earth's dead as what modern audiences would call zombies (but called ghouls in the film itself) causing chaos in order to get the planet's attention. For years, the film played on television in relative obscurity until 1980, when authors Michael Medved and Harry Medved dubbed Plan 9 from Outer Space the worst movie ever made. Wood was posthumously awarded the Medveds' Golden Turkey Award as the worst director ever. Note: it does say that the full title was abbreviated to Plan 9 So, Plan 9 is something to do with zombie processes and their revival, so as to create disorder? I assume that is the reason for the citation of Plan 9, in the original message in the thread? Please remember, by virtue of its name, the mailing list appears to be a list for Debian users - for everyday, common, layman type users, like me, rather than people schooled in obscure concepts; users who may be seeking advice and assistance with day to day, layman type operations, hopefully getting constructive advice to help solve our problems, rather than stepping into a snake pit. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8oa+bzjrrqy5auwm7fafufjgds-bloy85hx9_b3ucf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On 16/09/2014, Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote: snip « Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus » Eh, wot? I think that tellus is a brand of vacuum cleaner (is this something to do with cleaning some threads of messages off the list :) ? ). pede - well that sounds like a root of pedestrian. pulsanda - that reminds me of a package named pulse audio, which is to do with sound, and, thence, with noise. Does that mean that if the list is not cleaned up of the extraneous noise, it slows to a walk? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8Pf2cE5xNPX0+ogz-NurHzn=7hbj5ajnty-gqpjx-c...@mail.gmail.com
Re: trying to remove wicd
I want to get wicd off my system, but am having a problem. All the
installer utilities say that it's not installed
As Gary Dale has pointed out, you should probably be looking at
packages names other than plain wicd.
root@debian:~# which wicd
/usr/sbin/wicd
This will tell you which package owns /usr/sbin/wicd:
dpkg -S /usr/sbin/wicd
How do I get rid of the stuff?
To find installed packages with wicd in their names:
dpkg -l '*wicd*' | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}'
To show what would be removed when you purge them:
dpkg -l '*wicd*' | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs -r sudo apt-get -s purge
To really purge those packages, remove the -s option.
That will suffice unless any of the wicd functionality is in packages
without wicd as part of their names.
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But there is a choice to not use systemd (war: Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community)
Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent: I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other hand I think discussing this further here… is… a waste of time – as it won´t change anything. I'm uncertain if that's correct. It certainly highlights some features and flaws and peoples preferences and even though it's often disparaged, imagine that some developers and programmers read posts on this list relevant to their work. Anyway I think that the real subject is, as others have said, the ability to choose. True freedom is having a choice, and as some have stated, the only choice they see may be to move to another operating system if Debian doesn't give them choice within it. But there is always choice. At the moment you *have* a choice. I think Debian one of the *few* distributions that let you have this choice. I bet you won´t have this choice easily with RHEL 7 or SLES 12 and probably even Fedora and openSUSE. Michael Biebl even just tested this choice, see: http://bugs.debian.org/761389 So once thing everyone who doesn´t want systemd on their systems can do is to *install* and *test* this alternative and report all bugs with it. That I bet would help a bunch more than discussing it in an extend that is surpasses anything I have ever seen before on this list. First *look* at things. Then *discuss* whats still needs to be discussed in your eyes then. I will use systemd for now. I will give it a chance despite my doubts. So far it fared pretty well. I still think 1,3 MB as PID 1 is ridicolous, but it works quite well for me. And that said, I do report bugs with systemd i.e. the solution I use at the moment. Other options are: 1) Try to convince Debian developers to revert systemd discussion. I doubt that any amount of discussion here on this list will achieve this result. Do a petition or whatever and hope for the best. 2) Work on an alternative. 3) Take your feedback on systemd *upstream*. But continuing to discuss here aside from *concrete* technical issues you have? Well… if you like to use your time for that… do what you want. I don´t like to waste my time like this. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3369131.HtAyZGh8gB@merkaba
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On 16/09/14 at 03:39pm, Bret Busby wrote: On 16/09/2014, Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote: snip « Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus » Eh, wot? I think that tellus is a brand of vacuum cleaner (is this something to do with cleaning some threads of messages off the list :) ? ). pede - well that sounds like a root of pedestrian. pulsanda - that reminds me of a package named pulse audio, which is to do with sound, and, thence, with noise. Does that mean that if the list is not cleaned up of the extraneous noise, it slows to a walk? nope, it's a pray: it means that you all should end up kicking each other a OT list instead of breaking every user balls on this one ;-) with kind regards, of course -- « Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus » -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916080844.ga15...@gmail.com
Re: /etc/hosts format WAS [Re: host hostname not found]
On 2014-09-12 06:34:58 +0400, Reco wrote: On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:03:25 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: If the local hostname is always resolvable by a 127.0.1.1 line in /etc/hosts or the machine is unlikely to dynamically change its hostname libnss-myhostname probably can be purged. 'Purged' implies one installed libnss-myhostname in the first place. It can be installed by a dependency (e.g. due to some GNOME package). And libnss-myhostname does more than merely match a local hostname to 127.0.1.1. For example, it 'helpfully' mathes FQDN hostname with 127.0.1.1, and also does the same for ipv6. This is what it should do ideally. Unfortunately, for some users, it doesn't take the FQDN, but just the short hostname: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756224 -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: https://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: https://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916083258.gc27...@xvii.vinc17.org
Re: /etc/hosts format WAS [Re: host hostname not found]
On 2014-09-12 00:59:27 +0400, Reco wrote: On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 16:43:53 -0400 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: The `hosts' entry: hosts: files myhostname mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns What does all that mean? I understand `files' first and `dns' at the end but none of what is in between. Every hostname → IP resolving and every IP → hostname resolving goes in the following order: 1) /etc/hosts 2) libnss-myhostname I honestly don't know what scares me most about libnss-hostname - the need of it in the first place, the author of the library, software that behaves funny without it or the setups that genuinely need it :( [...] But warning! You can have IPv4 resolving or IPv6 resolving. Some software (e.g. exim) does IPv6 resolving first. Since libnss-myhostname sets up IPv6 resolving for the local hostname, which is usually not done in /etc/hosts (at least by default), settings done by libnss-myhostname come first in this case, so that libnss-myhostname can break things: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756224#114 libnss-myhostname should not be used (at least currently) when the user has a /etc/hosts file. -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: https://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: https://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916082802.gb27...@xvii.vinc17.org
docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by docker) require a graphical boot ? (and if following the the recommends, install desktop-base, on a server... ? SHould I report a bug against mountall ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916085133.ge...@rail.eu.org
Re: docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 10:51:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote: Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by docker) require a graphical boot ? It doesn't. (and if following the the recommends, install desktop-base, on a server... ? It doesn't. SHould I report a bug against mountall ? Only to considered after reading mountall's changelog. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/16092014102549.7aec580f4...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:30:08AM CEST, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 10:51:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote: Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by docker) require a graphical boot ? It doesn't. It does on testing (I should have precised). (and if following the the recommends, install desktop-base, on a server... ? It doesn't. SHould I report a bug against mountall ? Only to considered after reading mountall's changelog. Changelog to which version ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916093203.gf...@rail.eu.org
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On 09/16/2014 09:56 AM, Bret Busby wrote: On 15/09/2014, Bartosz Olender bartek.olen...@gmail.com wrote: snip Plan 9 is considered a spiritual successor to UNIX with it's principles taken to the extreme. But it never took off, it's still researched on but as I see it, besides researching how far we can push this UNIX concept, I don't think we will see a practical use for it. Plan 9 ? Oh, right. At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space is the apparent explanation of plan 9; [...] Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9 and select Plan 9 from Bell Labs below Operating Systems. HTH Linux-Fan -- http://masysma.lima-city.de/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 11:32:03 +0200, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:30:08AM CEST, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 10:51:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote: Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by docker) require a graphical boot ? It doesn't. It does on testing (I should have precised). Neither on testing nor unstable. (and if following the the recommends, install desktop-base, on a server... ? It doesn't. SHould I report a bug against mountall ? Only to considered after reading mountall's changelog. Changelog to which version ? Testing or unstable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/16092014103604.3beccf368...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 08:24:07PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Precisely. Bugs and user difficulties produced by innumerable dependencies have nothing to do with Debian-Users, it's merely an interesting discussion for developers. ISTM that such threads - with people who are actually using systemd asking for help with actual problem using systemd - are easiest spotted because Michael Beibl or Tollef contribute a useful answer. But such threads seem to be less than 1 in 10 of the systemd threads on this list, the remainder decidedly not fitting into the above categorisation. I love these guys who summarily declare something, affecting everyday users, offtopic on this mailing list. these guys would be the list masters in this case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916092832.ga2...@bryant.redmars.org
Re: docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:37:27AM +0100, Brian wrote: On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 11:32:03 +0200, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:30:08AM CEST, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 10:51:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote: Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by docker) require a graphical boot ? It doesn't. It does on testing (I should have precised). Neither on testing nor unstable. Probably OP meant THAT docker. It does: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/docker.io Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916094527.GA16914@x101h
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
2014/09/16 16:57 Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com: On 16/09/2014, Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote: snip « Nunc est bibendum, nunc pede libero pulsanda tellus » Eh, wot? I think that tellus is a brand of vacuum cleaner (is this something to do with cleaning some threads of messages off the list :) ? ). pede - well that sounds like a root of pedestrian. pulsanda - that reminds me of a package named pulse audio, which is to do with sound, and, thence, with noise. Does that mean that if the list is not cleaned up of the extraneous noise, it slows to a walk? Courtesy of translate.google.com -- Now is the time to drink, now is the time to roam the face of the earth.
Re: jessie installation
On Mon 15 Sep 2014 at 16:26:30 -0300, Adrián Orellana wrote: I'm trying to install jessie amd64 and with the installer I got two important issues: 1st: when it asked me about non free drivers, I told him that there were in an external device (usb), but it never saw after several attemps. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata 2nd. I need to manually partition my disk as it have another distribution on it plus home and I don't want to loose them. The installer gave me the oportunity to manually make the operation, but later it never gave the chance to actually do it, could somebody please tell me how I can do it with the jessie netinstall? I burned a usb with the iso image and the machine is an Atom of 2 cores. Which image are you using and how did you burn it to usb? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/16092014111034.0bdd4cb75...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Let's have a vote!
On 16/09/14 01:00, lee wrote: Shall we have a vote? AFAIK, there's nothing that would speak against having one, in this very mailing list. Why not ask the users? Why should only Debian developers be allowed to vote but not the users? Quite aside from the general DEbian principle of do-ocracy: The Debian Developers are a strongly-identifiable group; as I understand it, becoming a DD requires an existing DD to vouch for you, and certain key activities performed by DDs require the use of public-key cryptographic signatures using a key which has been signed by other DDs to indicate that they believe it is indeed your key. One of those activities is casting a valid vote on a General Resolution. The Debian Technical Committee is a strongly-identifiable group within the group of Debian Developers, to whom certain kinds of dispute may be referred for resolution. Being selected from among the Debian Developers, their identities can be verified in much the same way. (Obviously, a DD's cryptographic keys could be compromised by social engineering attacks or malware infection of the computer on which they keep the keys. However, they are at least a *starting* point for believing a vote to have been legitimately cast.) Debian users, on the other hand, are very much *not* a strongly-identifiable group; there is no formal mechanism whatsoever for being endorsed as an Official Debian User. As such, a vote by the users can, *at best*, be a vaguely indicative straw poll of those bona fide users who feel strongly enough about matters to participate in the first place; at worst, it will be a magnet for trolls, astroturfers, shills, and other such reprobates. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54181919.6060...@zen.co.uk
Re: docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 13:45:28 +0400, Reco wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:37:27AM +0100, Brian wrote: On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 11:32:03 +0200, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:30:08AM CEST, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 10:51:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote: Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by docker) require a graphical boot ? It doesn't. It does on testing (I should have precised). Neither on testing nor unstable. Probably OP meant THAT docker. It does: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/docker.io To save the OP issuing a clarification or correction: mountall (2.10) lucid; urgency=low * Add hard dependency on Plymouth; without it running, mountall will ignore any filesystem which doesn't show up within a few seconds or that fails to fsck or mount. If you don't want graphical splash, you simply need not install themes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/16092014120426.c293d2d94...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 01:06:30PM CEST, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 13:45:28 +0400, Reco wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:37:27AM +0100, Brian wrote: On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 11:32:03 +0200, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:30:08AM CEST, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 10:51:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote: Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by docker) require a graphical boot ? It doesn't. It does on testing (I should have precised). Neither on testing nor unstable. Probably OP meant THAT docker. It does: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/docker.io To save the OP issuing a clarification or correction: mountall (2.10) lucid; urgency=low * Add hard dependency on Plymouth; without it running, mountall will ignore any filesystem which doesn't show up within a few seconds or that fails to fsck or mount. If you don't want graphical splash, you simply need not install themes. Then the bug should be against plymouth whose description is completeley misleading. And whose conception is completely broken with same package doing two completely uinrelated tasks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916112633.gg...@rail.eu.org
Re: docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:51:33 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Why should installing cgroupfs-mount on a server (as recommended by docker) require a graphical boot ? (and if following the the recommends, install desktop-base, on a server... ? SHould I report a bug against mountall ? Are you saying that the guest OS (presumably Ubuntu) recommends Plymouth? That's a Ubuntu thang, and the main reason I transitioned from Ubuntu to Debian. If you're saying that the *Debian Host* is recommending Plymouth, that should be reported as a bug against *something*. Plymouth is an atrocity. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916083510.6476f...@mydesq2.domain.cxm
Re: docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
Hi. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:35:10AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: If you're saying that the *Debian Host* is recommending Plymouth, that should be reported as a bug against *something*. Plymouth is an atrocity. Debian Host is not *recommending* plymouth, mountall *depends* on plymouth: https://packages.debian.org/sid/mountall Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916125636.GA24602@x101h
Re: docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
File a bug. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/871trbk8jp@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
On Tue 16 Sep 2014 at 13:26:33 +0200, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 01:06:30PM CEST, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: mountall (2.10) lucid; urgency=low * Add hard dependency on Plymouth; without it running, mountall will ignore any filesystem which doesn't show up within a few seconds or that fails to fsck or mount. If you don't want graphical splash, you simply need not install themes. Then the bug should be against plymouth whose description is completeley misleading. And whose conception is completely broken with same package doing two completely uinrelated tasks. It's not hard to avoid installing mountall in order to use docker.io. In case you are thinking of a bug report on mountall's dependency on plymouth you might want to assess your chances of a successful outcome from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/556372 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916132406.ga4...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 05:16:32PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: Sorry, I see only that he represented his views, which also happens to coincide with my own. Please, if you have to label someone, you've lost your argument's points from the get-go. :) Ric Also his views were known long before 1995 - The GNU Manifesto was published in 1985, but was obviously written before that. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916133348.GH25730@tal
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
Bret Busby wrote: Please remember, by virtue of its name, the mailing list appears to be a list for Debian users - for everyday, common, layman type users, like me, rather than people schooled in obscure concepts; users who may be seeking advice and assistance with day to day, layman type operations, hopefully getting constructive advice to help solve our problems, rather than stepping into a snake pit. Ummm Debian has long been a distribution of choice for more knowledgeable users, including many of us who use Debian to host servers and support software/system development. Maybe you consider yourself a layman type user - that certainly does not apply to many folks here. Layman or not, a major purpose of this list is to support the spread of knowledge from those with more of it, to those with less of it. If you want a dumbed down forum, for those who wish to remain ignorant, perhaps you should find another list (or pay geek squad for tech support). Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54183c44.10...@meetinghouse.net
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:00:40AM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Sorry? Should we add some dressing to the barbecue? O.K. I am not an English native speaker. Not a good idea, it only causes eye watering smoke to billow everywhere. You are better off adding dressing to the food once it has been removed from the BBQ. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916134250.GI25730@tal
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 08:24:07PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Precisely. Bugs and user difficulties produced by innumerable dependencies have nothing to do with Debian-Users, it's merely an interesting discussion for developers. ISTM that such threads - with people who are actually using systemd asking for help with actual problem using systemd - are easiest spotted because Michael Beibl or Tollef contribute a useful answer. But such threads seem to be less than 1 in 10 of the systemd threads on this list, the remainder decidedly not fitting into the above categorisation. That might better be framed as 1 in 10 POSTS in systemd threads As far as I can tell, most systemd related thread start out with either: a. a question about systemd impact, or, b. a report of a problem or impact caused by systemd c. a question about how to avoid running systemd After, maybe a couple of direct responses, each thread then degenerates into c. general discussion of systemd, it's developers, etc. And then degenerates further, into d. arguments about whether systemd is a legitimate topic on this list. a., b., and c. are completely within scope - real user issues w/ Debian. Personally, I think c. is a topic of legitimate interest and relevance to many of us on this list. Others seem to disagree. Again, personally, I think d. is a waste of all of our time and I wish those who kept complaining would just shut up and learn to use their delete keys. I'll also point out that this seems to be the pattern with many topics besides systemd. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54183ab0.9000...@meetinghouse.net
mysql command waiting endlessly (lenny)
Hello. On a old lenny, we have a software which have to connect to a server of the same LAN (we do not have physical access to any stuff, and we can only connect through ssh to that client computer), but when it connect through the mysql program, there is no prompt. Through the odbc program (isql), it works fine (we fill mysql's parameters with some greps of the odbc's configuration). On other computers (on other LANs, those computers are in there to sniff packets and extract some informations to fill some of our DBs), the same setup works perfectly with both tools. In my tries to fix this problem, I have noticed that there is a connection in TIME_WAIT state, which does not have any parent process, and which never dies. I suspect that this is the cause of the mysql's problem, and I would like to try to manually close it, but can't figure how. I have found several informations across the web, but they does not work, the kernel is probably too old: 2.6.22. Other computers which works are at least running a 2.6.24. Another distinction between the problematic computer and those which works seems to be the mysql server's version: if I am now wrong (I guessed the numbers with a netcat connection), the server is also the oldest of our collection: 3.23.49, but I doubt it may be the cause: there is another box asking to a 3.23.58. Does someone have any idea about what could be the problem, and/or how to fix it? 1: # netstat -antp|grep TIME tcp0 0 10.6.0.200:5378610.6.0.3:3306 TIME_WAIT - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1d5052243b26c4464edf0945a0a5a...@neutralite.org
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 08:24:07PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:15:59 -0700 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: Yes, please. The pro/anti systemd discussion isn't on topic for this mailing list. Precisely. Bugs and user difficulties produced by innumerable dependencies have nothing to do with Debian-Users, it's merely an interesting discussion for developers. I love these guys who summarily declare something, affecting everyday users, offtopic on this mailing list. You're buggering things up for people who are actually looking for support! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916135845.GJ25730@tal
Re: docker - cgroupfs -mountall - plymouth ?
Hi. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 08:18:50AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: File a bug. Why would I? mountall is a part of upstart, and those Ubuntu guys can do all kinds of crazy foo for all I care. And for LXC I prefer using straight lxc tools over this python-infested hipster docker :) Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916144254.GA27691@x101h
Re: mysql command waiting endlessly (lenny)
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 04:08:23PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Hello. Hi, [...] Does someone have any idea about what could be the problem, and/or how to fix it? I suggest you'd be better off asking on a mysql support list, but be prepared to be flamed for not providing enough technical information. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916144722.GA31492@tal
Re: Let's have a vote!
On 14Sep16:1203+0100, Martin Read wrote: Debian users, on the other hand, are very much *not* a strongly-identifiable group; there is no formal mechanism whatsoever for being endorsed as an Official Debian User. As such, a vote by the users can, *at best*, be a vaguely indicative straw poll of those bona fide users who feel strongly enough about matters to participate in the first place; at worst, it will be a magnet for trolls, astroturfers, shills, and other such reprobates. The obvious question this leads to is, Would some registration facility to enable non-developing users to support/inform decision-making by the DDs add meaningful value to Debian? I'm thinking popularity-contest on steriods, a means for DDs to ask the users what they think, and maybe why, in a one-person, one-confirmed vote approach. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Let's have a vote!
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:20:04AM -0400, David L. Craig wrote: On 14Sep16:1203+0100, Martin Read wrote: Debian users, on the other hand, are very much *not* a strongly-identifiable group; there is no formal mechanism whatsoever for being endorsed as an Official Debian User. As such, a vote by the users can, *at best*, be a vaguely indicative straw poll of those bona fide users who feel strongly enough about matters to participate in the first place; at worst, it will be a magnet for trolls, astroturfers, shills, and other such reprobates. The obvious question this leads to is, Would some registration facility to enable non-developing users to support/inform decision-making by the DDs add meaningful value to Debian? I'm thinking popularity-contest on steriods, a means for DDs to ask the users what they think, and maybe why, in a one-person, one-confirmed vote approach. That would be a complete waste of time. Either front up and do it yourself or submit a wishlist bug for a feature. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014091618.GA2548@tal
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of some command in an improved Unix experience. AH! You said it yourself! ...an improved _Unix_ experience. (Emphasis added.) --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54185f98.1070...@optonline.net
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
Doug writes: On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of some command in an improved Unix experience. AH! You said it yourself! ...an improved _Unix_ experience. (Emphasis added.) Yes, I said improved. But I said Unix experience because it was still a full Unix experience. The improvement was from some GNU commands being more feature rich than the standard counterpart (but work perfectly well if used in the standard way): the bash shell has better editing and history (a bit better than ksh) but run all the Bourne Shell scripts; with the GNU tar you could have used the shorter tar -zxvf file.tar.gz and type less, but gizip file.tar.gz | tar -xvf - worked perfectly. If you turn GNU/Linux in a Windows-poor-lookalike it is no more a Unix experience. Often in the past young people arrived screaming We have the great new thing that will change all, and a lot of great new things were lost in time like tears in rain... -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/21528.25438.128316.906...@mail.eng.it
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:24:07 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com napísal: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:15:59 -0700 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: Yes, please. The pro/anti systemd discussion isn't on topic for this mailing list. Precisely. Bugs and user difficulties produced by innumerable dependencies have nothing to do with Debian-Users, it's merely an interesting discussion for developers. Sure, the developers discussion is OT here. But, please, what when these things (developers decisions) affects the users? Now it seems, that the users can here post only: The DD are best and their choices are the best and anything critic is OT here. If yes, then something is rotten in the state of Denmark ... regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:17:19 +0200 Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: If yes, then something is rotten in the state of Denmark ... Alas, poor Slavko ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916184040.256199f9@msi.defcon1
Re: But there is a choice to not use systemd (war: Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community)
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:54:12AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent: I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other hand I think discussing this further here… is… a waste of time – as it won´t change anything. I'm uncertain if that's correct. It certainly highlights some features and flaws and peoples preferences and even though it's often disparaged, imagine that some developers and programmers read posts on this list relevant to their work. Anyway I think that the real subject is, as others have said, the ability to choose. True freedom is having a choice, and as some have stated, the only choice they see may be to move to another operating system if Debian doesn't give them choice within it. But there is always choice. At the moment you *have* a choice. I think Debian one of the *few* distributions that let you have this choice. I bet you won´t have this choice easily with RHEL 7 or SLES 12 and probably even Fedora and openSUSE. Michael Biebl even just tested this choice, see: http://bugs.debian.org/761389 So once thing everyone who doesn´t want systemd on their systems can do is to *install* and *test* this alternative and report all bugs with it. That I bet would help a bunch more than discussing it in an extend that is surpasses anything I have ever seen before on this list. First *look* at things. Then *discuss* whats still needs to be discussed in your eyes then. I will use systemd for now. I will give it a chance despite my doubts. So far it fared pretty well. I still think 1,3 MB as PID 1 is ridicolous, but it works quite well for me. And that said, I do report bugs with systemd i.e. the solution I use at the moment. Other options are: 1) Try to convince Debian developers to revert systemd discussion. I doubt that any amount of discussion here on this list will achieve this result. Do a petition or whatever and hope for the best. 2) Work on an alternative. 3) Take your feedback on systemd *upstream*. I find your lack of imagination disturbing. So disturbing that I here and now propose a better approach: dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault, his problem. For years to come people would remember what happens to those who try to conquer by means of control and discipline of otherness. But continuing to discuss here aside from *concrete* technical issues you have? Well… if you like to use your time for that… do what you want. I don´t like to waste my time like this. So you still think people are following and writing on theses threads just to have some fun? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:17:19 Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:24:07 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com napísal: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:15:59 -0700 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: Yes, please. The pro/anti systemd discussion isn't on topic for this mailing list. Precisely. Bugs and user difficulties produced by innumerable dependencies have nothing to do with Debian-Users, it's merely an interesting discussion for developers. Sure, the developers discussion is OT here. But, please, what when these things (developers decisions) affects the users? Now it seems, that the users can here post only: The DD are best and their choices are the best and anything critic is OT here. If yes, then something is rotten in the state of Denmark ... regards Every developer decision affects the users. As in any sane system of governance for this type of organization, the ones doing the work get to make the decisions. If you want to be in on the decisions, pick an orphaned package. I have been Treasurer of my congregation for six years and will stand for President next year. I hear lots of complaints from people who are unwilling to do any work to make the organization work. To all I say: Either help or get out of the way. Red Hat is shipping systemd with RH 7. If one were to google redhat systemd the RH systemd documentation can be found. I spent some time reading this last night. I found some of the features compelling. Since Red Hat focuses on reliability over all else, I really doubt that systemd will destroy your system. Linux will survive and perhaps thrive with or without you. Best to all, Mike McGinn -- Mike McGinn KD2CNU Be happy that brainfarts don't smell. No electrons were harmed in sending this message, some were inconvenienced. ** Registered Linux User 377849 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201409161256.29490.mikemcg...@mcginnweb.net
Re: Wheezy: pressing power button initiates a suspend in parallel with system halt
Hi! I have the same problem. Could someone point us where to look? I am using Debian Wheezy Mate 1.8 on Asus K52JK laptop. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54186ce8.3000...@gmail.com
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Doug writes: On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of some command in an improved Unix experience. AH! You said it yourself! ...an improved _Unix_ experience. (Emphasis added.) Yes, I said improved. But I said Unix experience because it was still a full Unix experience. The improvement was from some GNU commands being more feature rich than the standard counterpart (but work perfectly well if used in the standard way): the bash shell has better editing and history (a bit better than ksh) but run all the Bourne Shell scripts; with the GNU tar you could have used the shorter tar -zxvf file.tar.gz and type less, but gizip file.tar.gz | tar -xvf - worked perfectly. If you turn GNU/Linux in a Windows-poor-lookalike it is no more a Unix experience. Often in the past young people arrived screaming We have the great new thing that will change all, and a lot of great new things were lost in time like tears in rain... Just to be clear, here - since the point of this exchange seems to have drifted: 1. Linux is a kernel; not an o/s, and not a distro. 2. Debian is full operating system, and a distribution, consisting of: - a Linux kernel (usually, but not always) - a packaging system (APT) - a collection of packages - starting with a lot of GNU libraries and a GNU userland 3. An awful lot of Debian depends on the GNU toolchain So... to whomever it was that said GNU is irrelevant, or words to that effect... Debian, and most (all?) Linux distros are very much dependent on GNU. Arguably, Debian is more intertwined with GNU than with the Linux kernel (can you say Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?). Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5418727c.50...@meetinghouse.net
Re: Creating a forum for systemd debate
Mike McGinn wrote: On Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:17:19 Slavko wrote: Ahoj, Dňa Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:24:07 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com napísal: On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:15:59 -0700 Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: Yes, please. The pro/anti systemd discussion isn't on topic for this mailing list. Precisely. Bugs and user difficulties produced by innumerable dependencies have nothing to do with Debian-Users, it's merely an interesting discussion for developers. Sure, the developers discussion is OT here. But, please, what when these things (developers decisions) affects the users? Now it seems, that the users can here post only: The DD are best and their choices are the best and anything critic is OT here. If yes, then something is rotten in the state of Denmark ... regards Every developer decision affects the users. As in any sane system of governance for this type of organization, the ones doing the work get to make the decisions. If you want to be in on the decisions, pick an orphaned package. I have been Treasurer of my congregation for six years and will stand for President next year. I hear lots of complaints from people who are unwilling to do any work to make the organization work. To all I say: Either help or get out of the way. Red Hat is shipping systemd with RH 7. If one were to google redhat systemd the RH systemd documentation can be found. I spent some time reading this last night. I found some of the features compelling. Since Red Hat focuses on reliability over all else, I really doubt that systemd will destroy your system. Red Hat is a very different system than Debian, in many ways - a lot of which I respect, some of which I don't, which is why I run Debian on our servers. Effectively, systemd is one more step toward turning Debian (and other distros) into Red Hat Linux. If you want Red Hat, and don't want to pay for it, CentOS and Fedora are both respectable choices. Turning Debian and other distros into Red Had is not, IMHO a good thing. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541870e0.3000...@meetinghouse.net
Re: But there is a choice to not use systemd (war: Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community)
On 16/09/14 17:43, Andre N Batista wrote: I find your lack of imagination disturbing. So disturbing that I here and now propose a better approach: dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault, his problem. For years to come people would remember what happens to those who try to conquer by means of control and discipline of otherness. For years to come, people would remember that people opposed to systemd dox people they don't like. That's quite a handy reputation to tar systemd's opponents with if you're a sinister conspiracist trying to undermine opposition to systemd; it's not so useful if you're trying to *promote* opposition to systemd. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/541871c1.3040...@zen.co.uk
Re: mysql command waiting endlessly (lenny)
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: On a old lenny, we have a software which have to connect to a server of the same LAN (we do not have physical access to any stuff, and we can only connect through ssh to that client computer), but when it connect through the mysql program, there is no prompt. Through the odbc program (isql), it works fine (we fill mysql's parameters with some greps of the odbc's configuration). [...] Does someone have any idea about what could be the problem, and/or how to fix it? The request in TIME_WAIT is almost certainly not your problem. Run mysql under strace, and see precisely where it is failing to connect to the machine, then check your routing tables and firewall configuration. Most likely, you've created a configuration where the machine in question is unable to access 3306. You can also telnet 10.6.0.3 3306; (or use nc) from the afflicted machine to see if it even connects to mysql at all. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com Do you need [...] [t]ools? Stuff? Our opponent is an alien starship packed with atomic bombs. [...] We have a protractor. -- Neal Stephenson _Anathem_ p320 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916174615.ga7...@rzlab.ucr.edu
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Doug writes: On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of some command in an improved Unix experience. AH! You said it yourself! ...an improved _Unix_ experience. (Emphasis added.) Yes, I said improved. But I said Unix experience because it was still a full Unix experience. The improvement was from some GNU commands being more feature rich than the standard counterpart (but work perfectly well if used in the standard way): the bash shell has better editing and history (a bit better than ksh) but run all the Bourne Shell scripts; with the GNU tar you could have used the shorter tar -zxvf file.tar.gz and type less, but gizip file.tar.gz | tar -xvf - worked perfectly. If you turn GNU/Linux in a Windows-poor-lookalike it is no more a Unix experience. Often in the past young people arrived screaming We have the great new thing that will change all, and a lot of great new things were lost in time like tears in rain... Just to be clear, here - since the point of this exchange seems to have drifted: 1. Linux is a kernel; not an o/s, and not a distro. 2. Debian is full operating system, and a distribution, consisting of: - a Linux kernel (usually, but not always) - a packaging system (APT) - a collection of packages - starting with a lot of GNU libraries and a GNU userland 3. An awful lot of Debian depends on the GNU toolchain So... to whomever it was that said GNU is irrelevant, or words to that effect... Debian, and most (all?) Linux distros are very much dependent on GNU. Arguably, Debian is more intertwined with GNU than with the Linux kernel (can you say Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?). Miles Fidelman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916184907.2da74...@jresid.jretrading.com
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Doug writes: On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of some command in an improved Unix experience. AH! You said it yourself! ...an improved _Unix_ experience. (Emphasis added.) Yes, I said improved. But I said Unix experience because it was still a full Unix experience. The improvement was from some GNU commands being more feature rich than the standard counterpart (but work perfectly well if used in the standard way): the bash shell has better editing and history (a bit better than ksh) but run all the Bourne Shell scripts; with the GNU tar you could have used the shorter tar -zxvf file.tar.gz and type less, but gizip file.tar.gz | tar -xvf - worked perfectly. If you turn GNU/Linux in a Windows-poor-lookalike it is no more a Unix experience. Often in the past young people arrived screaming We have the great new thing that will change all, and a lot of great new things were lost in time like tears in rain... Just to be clear, here - since the point of this exchange seems to have drifted: 1. Linux is a kernel; not an o/s, and not a distro. 2. Debian is full operating system, and a distribution, consisting of: - a Linux kernel (usually, but not always) - a packaging system (APT) - a collection of packages - starting with a lot of GNU libraries and a GNU userland 3. An awful lot of Debian depends on the GNU toolchain So... to whomever it was that said GNU is irrelevant, or words to that effect... Debian, and most (all?) Linux distros are very much dependent on GNU. Arguably, Debian is more intertwined with GNU than with the Linux kernel (can you say Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?). Miles Fidelman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916184921.16d80...@jresid.jretrading.com
Re: Let's have a vote!
lee wrote: Shall we have a vote? That's hardly necessary, seeing as how Debian developers have been disregarding their users' needs in the last few years. Vote all you want, of course, but it's obviously Shuttleworth and Pöttering, or maybe Microsoft or Satan Beelzebub behind them both who's got the final say these days. Surely, I'd love to see the votes on 'What distribution currently alive is a fair Unix-like GNU/Linux, stable as in Debian Woody', though. -- Best nightdreams. Serge Tiunov, Do you really think you think http://e-head.net when you do think you do? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54187653.5090...@kem.ru
Re: But there is a choice to not use systemd (war: Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community)
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Andre N Batista wrote: dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault, his problem. Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com Grimble left his mother in the food store and went to the launderette and watched the clothes go round. It was a bit like color television only with less plot. -- Clement Freud _Grimble_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916173651.gy7...@rzlab.ucr.edu
Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400 Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: So... to whomever it was that said GNU is irrelevant, or words to that effect... Debian, and most (all?) Linux distros are very much dependent on GNU. Arguably, Debian is more intertwined with GNU than with the Linux kernel (can you say Debian GNU/kFreeBSD?). 'Twas I, and as systemd is neither GNU nor pre-GNU Unix, mention of GNU within the discussion would appear to be irrelevant, and indeed, Off Topic. One of the best-known precepts of Unix, which applies equally to GNU, inspired the thread title, i.e. systemd does *not* aspire to Do One Thing Well. Mention of 'Unix' in that context does not exclude GNU, this is not a Stallman v. Rest of Universe issue. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916190331.08598...@jresid.jretrading.com
Re: Let's have a vote!
* On 2014 16 Sep 12:51 -0500, st wrote: Surely, I'd love to see the votes on 'What distribution currently alive is a fair Unix-like GNU/Linux, stable as in Debian Woody', though. Slackware, perhaps? Somehow I don't see Patrick embracing systemd, but I could be wrong. It has been years since I seriously looked at Slackware despite my starting out with it many years ago. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140916180525.ge11...@n0nb.us
Re: Let's have a vote!
On 14Sep17:0355+1200, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:20:04AM -0400, David L. Craig wrote: The obvious question this leads to is, Would some registration facility to enable non-developing users to support/inform decision-making by the DDs add meaningful value to Debian? I'm thinking popularity-contest on steriods, a means for DDs to ask the users what they think, and maybe why, in a one-person, one-confirmed vote approach. That would be a complete waste of time. Either front up and do it yourself or submit a wishlist bug for a feature. This is about DDs pulling from the user base, not the user base pushing to the DDs. If the DDs couldn't care less about being able to get qualified input from the user base at large, well, at the very least, that datum is useful information to DDs that were unaware of that dynamic, as well as to the user base itself. -- not cent from sell May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe. __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
speeding up sysvinit boot on Jessie
I set up a Jessie VM (kvm: 1 cpu, 512MB RAM, qemu2 filesystem)
to take a look at what is coming down the road.
The default install with systemd as init boots very quickly.
When I changed to sysvinit, boot times ended up around 32
seconds, and sometimes 47.
Most of this time seemed to be taken up by udev. By default,
it has no configuration for logging.
Changing /etc/udev/udev.conf to log errors:
udev_log=err
and updating the initramfs:
update-initramfs -k all -u
gives sysvinit a boot time of 1.42 seconds.
jessietest:/home/dsr# pstree
init─┬─acpid
├─atd
├─chef-client───{ruby-timer-thr}
├─cron
├─exim4
├─6*[getty]
├─rpc.idmapd
├─rpc.statd
├─rpcbind
├─rsyslogd─┬─{in:imklog}
│ ├─{in:imuxsock}
│ └─{rs:main Q:Reg}
├─sshd───sshd───sshd───bash───sudo───bash───pstree
└─udevd
That might be helpful.
-dsr-
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Re: View on UNIX purism in Linux Community
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