date:20141012

El Sat, 11 Oct 2014 23:30:20 +0200, José Miguel (sio2) escribió:

 Un saludo a la lista:
 
 Tengo un pequeño problema, del que creía haber hallado la solución, pero
 que no me acaba de funcionar.
 
 Resulta que hay una serie de máquinas que he metido en un rango de ips,
 de manera que hay el mismo número de ips que de máquinas. Mientras cada
 máquina sólo consuma una ip no hay problema.

En ese caso quizá te convenga repartir las IP de manera estática (fixed-
address) usando DHCP para evitar que haya duplicados y así te olvidas 
del problema.

 Sin embargo, el servidor DHCP usa como criterio para decidir sin un
 cliente es el mismo o no, no la MAC, sino preferentemente un
 identificador que el cliente le envía. Resulta que linux de modo
 predeterminado o el arranque por red no envían ningún identificador,
 mientras que windows sí lo hace. La consecuencia es que estos
 ordenadores pueden consumir más de una ip y se me fastidia el invento,
 porque las ips se acaban.

(...)

Si los clientes Windows envían el ID ¿has pensando en configurar los 
clientes linux para que hagan lo mismo? En man dhclient.conf hablan de 
dhcp-client-identifier, quizá te pueda servir.

 Y creí llegar a la solución: incluyo deny duplicates en el fichero de
 configuración y, si las máquinas están declaradas (que lo están),
 recibirán siempre una ip, aunque envíen distinto uid.
 
 Pero no me funciona. No sé si es que no he entendido algo o si me falla
 algo.

(...)

 Si prueba a fijar un uid a dhclient, obtengo la 192.168.129.66, como
 es de esperar. Si lo quito y vuelvo a pedir ip, ya no obtengo ninguna,
 en vez de obtener la misma; muy a pesar de la cláusula deny
 duplicates. ¿Se me ha pasado algo por alto?

El manual dice que la opción deny duplicates evita que un cliente 
reciba leases adicionales cuando la MAC que está declarada en el host es 
la misma. Bien, pero quizá eso no implica que mantenga o se le vuelva a 
asignar el lease anterior, simplemente evita que reciba otro. Y quizá lo 
haga porque primero da prioridad al ID y luego a la dirección MAC cuando 
únicamente debería utilizar la dirección MAC para evaluar quién es el 
cliente que solicita una nueva IP.

De todas formas, revisa en registro para ver qué es lo que hace 
exactamente y consulta también la opción one-lease-per-client, es 
posible que tengas que combinar ambas para que funcione.

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Re: [SOLUCIONADO parcialmente]Re: Problemas en Debian Wheezy con conky

El Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:05:53 -0430, Frederit Mogollon escribió:

(...)

 La única forma en la que fue posible configurar conky para que se
 iniciara normal y automáticamente con el sistema, fue la siguiente:
 
 1.- Usar el fichero '.xinitrc' con la línea ck-launch-session
 dbus-launch startxfce4.
 
 2.- Desmarcar 'Guardar sesión automáticamente al salir'.
 
 3.- Marcar 'Preguntar al salir'.
 
 4.- Deshabilitar la ejecución del script de inicio de conky en el
 autostart.
 
 5.- Borrar las sesiones anteriormente guardadas de xfce4.
 
 6.- Matar cualquier proceso de conky que estubiese corriendo con la
 línea de comando
 
 killall conky.
 
 7.- Usar el applet 'botones de acción' en el panel de Xfce4, y en el
 'diálogo de cierre de sesion', marcar la casilla 'Guardar sesión
 para futuros inicios de sesión'.
 
 8.- Reiniciar, y se verifica que no se ejecuta conky.
 
 9.- Seguido, se inicia manualmente conky a través de la ejecución del
 script de inicio.
 
 10.- Reiniciar y se verifica se constata que se está ejecutando una sola
 instancia de conky.
 
 
 En los próximos reinicios del sistema, conky se ejecutará
 automáticamente de forma normal, es decir, sin duplicados.

Con esos pasos dependes por completo de cómo gestiona XFCE las sesiones 
guardadas lo cual puede ser un problema y dejar de funcionar en cualquier 
momento, tras una actuaización o si por algún motivo quieres modificar la 
sesión actual y añadir o quitar algo y Conky se vuelva a ejecutar por 
duplicado de nuevo.

Lo ideal es ejecutar Conky desde el autostart para que se ejecute siempre 
tras iniciar la sesión independientemente de la configuración que haga de 
las sesiones el entorno gráfico.

Pero bueno, ya ves que opciones no te faltan :-)

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Re: procesamiento de contenidos de ficheros de texto

El Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:29:54 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

 buenas noches comunidad que idea me pueden aportar para el siguiente
 caso tengo un archivo con las siguientes características...
 
 hola como esta la comunidad de debian hola hola hola como esta la
 comunidad de debian hola como esta la comunidad de debian
 
 pasarla por un comando de remplazo y quede algo como..
 
 hola comunidad de debian hola hola hola comunidad de debian hola
 comunidad de debian
 
 que el remplazo sea algo asi como \ncomo esta la

No sé si te he entendido bien, pero si quieres reemplazar como esta la 
por hola sería algo así:

sed -e 's/como esta la/hola/'

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Re: Copiar ficheros con acentos a carpeta compartida por NFS.

El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:43:20 +0200, Ramses II escribió:

¿Con qué opciones exportas el recurso (mount)?


 Esto es lo que tengo en el /etc/exports
 
 /BACKUP 192.168.200.1/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash)
 
 En el cliente conecto la carpeta compartida de la siguiente forma:
 
 mount -o lang=ansi,anon,fileaccess=777,casesensitive \\192.168.200.55\BACKUP 
 X:
   ^

(...)

Aunque no he trabajado con NFS en Windows, esa codificación no me 
convence. Prueba con utf8 o algún iso pero ANSI entiendo que te dará 
problemas porque Linux exporta el recurso con UTF-8 y colisionarán.

Googleando... mira, aquí explican algo parecido:

NFS, Windows and Foreign Characters
http://www.dizwell.com/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:nfs_windows_and_foreign_characters

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Re: procesamiento de contenidos de ficheros de texto

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Re: Copiar ficheros con acentos a carpeta compartida por NFS.

2014-10-12 Thread Ramses

Buenas,

El 12/10/2014, a las 14:15, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:43:20 +0200, Ramses II escribió:
 
 ¿Con qué opciones exportas el recurso (mount)?
 Esto es lo que tengo en el /etc/exports
 
 /BACKUP 192.168.200.1/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash)
 
 En el cliente conecto la carpeta compartida de la siguiente forma:
 
 mount -o lang=ansi,anon,fileaccess=777,casesensitive \\192.168.200.55\BACKUP 
 X:
   ^
 
 (...)
 
 Aunque no he trabajado con NFS en Windows, esa codificación no me 
 convence. Prueba con utf8 o algún iso pero ANSI entiendo que te dará 
 problemas porque Linux exporta el recurso con UTF-8 y colisionarán.
 
 Googleando... mira, aquí explican algo parecido:
 
 NFS, Windows and Foreign Characters
 http://www.dizwell.com/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:nfs_windows_and_foreign_characters

Camaleón, precisamente, el enlace que me has pasado, dice que no hay opción 
para montarlo con lang=utf8 y que no ha encontrado solución...


Saludos y gracias,

Ramses

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Re: Copiar ficheros con acentos a carpeta compartida por NFS.

El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:09:35 +0200, Ramses escribió:

 Buenas,
 
 El 12/10/2014, a las 14:15, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 
 El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:43:20 +0200, Ramses II escribió:
 
 ¿Con qué opciones exportas el recurso (mount)?
 Esto es lo que tengo en el /etc/exports
 
 /BACKUP 192.168.200.1/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash)
 
 En el cliente conecto la carpeta compartida de la siguiente forma:
 
 mount -o lang=ansi,anon,fileaccess=777,casesensitive 
 \\192.168.200.55\BACKUP X:
   ^
 
 (...)
 
 Aunque no he trabajado con NFS en Windows, esa codificación no me
 convence. Prueba con utf8 o algún iso pero ANSI entiendo que te dará
 problemas porque Linux exporta el recurso con UTF-8 y colisionarán.
 
 Googleando... mira, aquí explican algo parecido:
 
 NFS, Windows and Foreign Characters
 http://www.dizwell.com/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:nfs_windows_and_foreign_characters
 
 Camaleón, precisamente, el enlace que me has pasado, dice que no hay
 opción para montarlo con lang=utf8 y que no ha encontrado solución...

Rediez :-O

Pero bueno, ahora que ya sabes dónde está el problema si googleas un poco 
más encontrarás alternativas:

https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=engws_rd=ssl#complete=0hl=enq=nfs+client+mount+utf8

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Fileserver samba y permisos heredados windows

2014-10-12 Thread Marcos Germán Capelari

Hola,

Tengo un pequeño problema con un fileserver y los permisos heredados.
El tema es así, hace unos días realice la copia de un fileserver en windows
a Debian. Para no perder herencia y permisos cree 1 solo filesystem y le di
permisos 774, siendo yo el owner (administrador de dominio) y los domain
user el grupo, y luego a las carpetas les di permisos de los grupos que ya
tenían asignados.
Que pasa con todo esto, en el árbol de directorio no esta heredando los
permisos con el cual ya venían desde windows hacia abajo (para que se pueda
dibujar mentalmente), osea en una carpeta X tiene permisos el grupo, por
ejemplo ventas, el grupo domain user y el owner soy yo, cuando verifico
dentro de la carpeta los archivos no tienen los mismos permisos y los
usuarios de ese grupo no pueden escribir.
Lo que no estoy entendiendo es lo siguiente, si todos los usuarios son
miembros de domain user, pero solo algunos son miembros del grupo ventas
por ejemplo de una forma u otra deberían escribir por mas que los permisos
sean de un grupo en particular.

Espero que me haya hecho entender, es un poco rebuscado el tema...si
alguien tiene una idea siempre es bienvenida.

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Re: procesamiento de contenidos de ficheros de texto

El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:21:54 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

 \ncomo esta la sera remplazado por  

Ah, ya veo por dónde vas y hete aquí el problema:

http://sed.sourceforge.net/sedfaq5.html#s5.10

Probemos:

sm01@stt008:~$ cat Escritorio/test.txt
hola
como esta la comunidad de debian
hola
hola
hola
como esta la comunidad de debian
hola

sm01@stt008:~$ cat Escritorio/test.txt | sed ':a;N;$!ba;s/\ncomo esta la//g'  
Escritorio/test2.txt

sm01@stt008:~$ cat Escritorio/test2.txt
hola comunidad de debian
hola
hola
hola comunidad de debian
hola comunidad de debian

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Re: Fileserver samba y permisos heredados windows

El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 11:55:38 -0300, Marcos Germán Capelari escribió:

 Tengo un pequeño problema con un fileserver y los permisos heredados.
 El tema es así, hace unos días realice la copia de un fileserver en
 windows a Debian. Para no perder herencia y permisos cree 1 solo
 filesystem y le di permisos 774, siendo yo el owner (administrador de
 dominio) y los domain user el grupo, y luego a las carpetas les di
 permisos de los grupos que ya tenían asignados.

(...)

Entiendo que has copiado desde un sistema de archivos NTFS a un recurso 
samba y que la copia resultante no ha mantenido los permisos de los 
archivos y los subdirectorios.

Si se trata de eso, a tener en cuenta dos cosas:

1/ El sistema de archivos del recurso samba debe permitir y tener 
activadas las extensiones ACL (acl,user_xattr) que se definen como 
opciones de montaje en el /etc/fstab.

2/ El recurso samba tiene que tener activado los permisos heredados
(inherit acls, inherit permissions, inherit owner, map acl inherit)

Y aún así tengo mis dudas de que funcione :-/

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Re: Fileserver samba y permisos heredados windows

2014-10-12 Thread Marcos Germán Capelari

Hola,

Tengo tal cual comentas las configuracionesAhora la pregunta y
disculpen si digo una barbaridad, pero lo lógico seria que los permisos se
otorguen desde un windows, verdad?


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Re: procesamiento de contenidos de ficheros de texto

muchas gracias camaleón siempre tan atento a la lista!

pero como mi idea es aprender me puedes dar una breve explicación nada
mas entendí la N para leer 2 lineas

y no te molesto mas por ahora!

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Re: Copiar ficheros con acentos a carpeta compartida por NFS.

2014-10-12 Thread Ramses

Buenas,

El 12/10/2014, a las 16:19, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 16:09:35 +0200, Ramses escribió:
 
 Buenas,
 
 El 12/10/2014, a las 14:15, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 
 El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 12:43:20 +0200, Ramses II escribió:
 
 ¿Con qué opciones exportas el recurso (mount)?
 Esto es lo que tengo en el /etc/exports
 
 /BACKUP 192.168.200.1/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash)
 
 En el cliente conecto la carpeta compartida de la siguiente forma:
 
 mount -o lang=ansi,anon,fileaccess=777,casesensitive 
 \\192.168.200.55\BACKUP X:
  ^
 
 (...)
 
 Aunque no he trabajado con NFS en Windows, esa codificación no me
 convence. Prueba con utf8 o algún iso pero ANSI entiendo que te dará
 problemas porque Linux exporta el recurso con UTF-8 y colisionarán.
 
 Googleando... mira, aquí explican algo parecido:
 
 NFS, Windows and Foreign Characters
 http://www.dizwell.com/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:nfs_windows_and_foreign_characters
 
 Camaleón, precisamente, el enlace que me has pasado, dice que no hay
 opción para montarlo con lang=utf8 y que no ha encontrado solución...
 
 Rediez :-O
 
 Pero bueno, ahora que ya sabes dónde está el problema si googleas un poco 
 más encontrarás alternativas:
 
 https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=engws_rd=ssl#complete=0hl=enq=nfs+client+mount+utf8

Es que creo que la movida está en el Cliente NFS de Windows...


Saludos,

Ramses

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Re: DHCP: máquinas que consumen dos ips

2014-10-12 Thread sio2

El Sun, 12 de Oct de 2014, a las 11:45:06AM +, Camaleón dijo:

 En ese caso quizá te convenga repartir las IP de manera estática (fixed-
 address) usando DHCP para evitar que haya duplicados y así te olvidas 
 del problema.

Sé que esa es una solución posible, pero me gustaría no tener que
utilizarla.

 Si los clientes Windows envían el ID ¿has pensando en configurar los 
 clientes linux para que hagan lo mismo? En man dhclient.conf hablan de 
 dhcp-client-identifier, quizá te pueda servir.

Sé que puedo hacer eso. De hecho, en el mensaje al que respondes creo
que conté que las pruebas las había hecho exclusivamente con clientes
linux. La forma de hacer las pruebas consistió en comentar y descomentar
la línea que hace a dhclient enviar el uid. Sin embargo, esa solución no
vale cuando se arranca por red.

De hecho, mi plan B, si no logro esto, es hacer que los linux también
envíen el UID y para solucionar el arranque por red (hay un servidor
PXE), podría crear una clase especial para los ordenadores que arrancan
por PXE (se pueden distinguir por la vendor-string, creo recordar) y que
ellos reciban ip de un rango distinto: así no consumirían ninguna. Pero
es una pequeña chapuza.

 El manual dice que la opción deny duplicates evita que un cliente 
 reciba leases adicionales cuando la MAC que está declarada en el host es 
 la misma. Bien, pero quizá eso no implica que mantenga o se le vuelva a 
 asignar el lease anterior, simplemente evita que reciba otro. Y quizá lo 
 haga porque primero da prioridad al ID y luego a la dirección MAC cuando 
 únicamente debería utilizar la dirección MAC para evaluar quién es el 
 cliente que solicita una nueva IP.

Tiene sentido lo que dices y es una posible explicación de por qué no
funcionan las cosas. Para confirmarla he hecho la siguiente prueba:

1. El rango de ips posibles, en vez de ser de una ip, es de dos:
   la 192.168.129.66 y la .67.

2. Primero pide el cliente con un uid (el típico de
   1:MAC:DE:LA:TARJETA) y luego, sin que envíe al servidor noticia
   de que ya no quiere la ip concedida, con otro distinto uid
   (1:1:1:1:1:1:1)

Si fuera cierto lo que supones y estuviera bien configurado el servidor:

+ con allow duplicates (o sea, sin nada) en la primera ocasión se
  recibiría una ip (la .66, por ejemplo) y en la segunda ocasión la
  segunda (la .67). Y ya no habría más ips disponibles.

+ con deny duplicates en la primera ocasión se recibiría una ip (la
  .66, por ejemplo) y en la segunda ocasión, aunque haya una ip
  disponible no se recibiría ninguna, porque el ordenador se negaría a
  entregar una segunda ip ya que hay vigente una concesión para la MAC
  que está requiriendo otra (aunque el uid sea distinto).

Pues he probado, y no ocurre lo previsto: con deny duplicates recibo
primero una ip (la .66) y luego la otra (la .67).

No entiendo nada.

 De todas formas, revisa en registro para ver qué es lo que hace 
 exactamente

Estoy mirando /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases para comprobar todo lo que
ocurre.

 consulta también la opción one-lease-per-client, es 
 posible que tengas que combinar ambas para que funcione.

La conocía también probé y no me funcionó. Después de leer tu mensaje,
me releí el manual:

#v+
one-lease-per-client flag;

   If  this flag is enabled, whenever a client sends a DHCPREQUEST for a
   particular lease, the server will automatically free any other leases
   the client holds.   This presumes that when the client sends a
   DHCPREQUEST, it has forgotten any lease not mentioned in the
   DHCPREQUEST  - i.e.,  the client has only a single network interface
   and it does not remember leases it's holding on networks to which it
   is not currently attached.   Neither of these assumptions are
   guaranteed or provable, so we urge caution in the use of this
   statement.
#v-

No me pareció que aquí dijera nada acerca de que al cliente sólo lo
identifique por su MAC (con lo cual es de suponer que lo identifica con
UID), pero igualemente  hice una nueva prueba.

La otra vez que había probado lo había hecho con sólo una ip disponible
y pensé que a lo mejor el servidor liberaba el resto de concesiones una
vez que concedía la nueva ip. Así que me decidí a probarlo de nuevo,
con dos ips disponibles: quizás primero concede la .66, luego la .67,
pero libera la .66 y así sucesivamente.

Pero tampoco: se concede la .66 y luego, con uid distinto, la .67 sin
liberar la .66. Pero esto sí tiene explicación: el uid no coincide, así
que es otro cliente. De hecho, después de recibir la 67, pare el cliente
sin que se coscase el servidor, me metí en la caché de concesiones,
cambié el .67 por el .66 para que el cliente al enviar si nueva petición
le diga al servidor que quiere la .66 y... funcionó: el servidor le dió
la 66 e revocó la concesión de la 67.

Así que esta segunda opción no sirve en absoluto.

Quizás es que, simplemente, no se puede hacer lo que quiero. Lo que me
tiene escamado es que el comportamiento con deny duplicates: o no
tengo algo bien

chromium

buenas tarde soy el unico que tras instalar las actualizaciones de
jessie chromiun le dejo de funcionar?


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Re: Fileserver samba y permisos heredados windows

El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 14:30:51 -0300, Marcos Germán Capelari escribió:

 Tengo tal cual comentas las configuracionesAhora la pregunta y
 disculpen si digo una barbaridad, pero lo lógico seria que los permisos
 se otorguen desde un windows, verdad?

Los permisos de los archivos están vinculados al sistema de archivos y al 
sistema operativo que los gestiona. 

Al copiarlos desde Windows/NTFS a Debian/Samba/Ext3/ReiserFS/etc... pues 
dependes de que Samba sea capaz de mantener los permisos originales para 
lo cual, más allá de las dos cosas que te he comentado, tendrás que mirar 
con lupa la configuración que tienes del recurso compartido y ver por qué 
no se mantienen. También puede influir la forma de copiar los archivos 
(usuario que realiza la copia y los permisos que tiene sobre el recurso).

A malas, podrás definirlos manualmente con las herramientas de samba 
(setfacl/getfacl).

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Re: chromium

debian jessie 64bits

esto fue lo que me dijo cuando lo reinstale para ver si se corrige el error


% apt-get --reinstall install chromium
Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
Creando árbol de dependencias
Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
0 actualizados, 0 se instalarán, 1 reinstalados, 0 para eliminar y 0
no actualizados.
Se necesita descargar 0 B/37,5 MB de archivos.
Se utilizarán 0 B de espacio de disco adicional después de esta operación.
(Leyendo la base de datos ... 646985 ficheros o directorios instalados
actualmente.)
Preparing to unpack .../chromium_38.0.2125.101-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking chromium (38.0.2125.101-1) over (38.0.2125.101-1) ...
Processing triggers for menu (2.1.47) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-1) ...
Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.13-1) ...
Processing triggers for mime-support (3.57) ...
Processing triggers for gnome-menus (3.13.3-2) ...
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.22-1) ...
Configurando chromium (38.0.2125.101-1) ...
dpkg: aviso: la versión `/etc/chromium/master_preferences' tiene una
sintaxis errónea: el número de versión no empieza por un dígito
Processing triggers for menu (2.1.47) ...
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 buenas tarde soy el unico que tras instalar las actualizaciones de
 jessie chromiun le dejo de funcionar?


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Re: procesamiento de contenidos de ficheros de texto

El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 13:27:54 -0430, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió:

 muchas gracias camaleón siempre tan atento a la lista!
 
 pero como mi idea es aprender me puedes dar una breve explicación nada
 mas entendí la N para leer 2 lineas
 
 y no te molesto mas por ahora!

Pues tal y como lo descifro tirando del manual, me parece que genera una 
especie de bucle marcando los saltos de línea para que siga leyendo el 
contenido hasta el final ya que como dice la página de sed, se para al 
leer una línea y por eso también recomiendan tr como alternativa.

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Re: Copiar ficheros con acentos a carpeta compartida por NFS.

El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 20:02:49 +0200, Ramses escribió:

 El 12/10/2014, a las 16:19, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

(...)

 Googleando... mira, aquí explican algo parecido:
 
 NFS, Windows and Foreign Characters
 http://www.dizwell.com/wiki/doku.php?id=blog:nfs_windows_and_foreign_characters
 
 Camaleón, precisamente, el enlace que me has pasado, dice que no hay
 opción para montarlo con lang=utf8 y que no ha encontrado solución...
 
 Rediez :-O
 
 Pero bueno, ahora que ya sabes dónde está el problema si googleas un
 poco más encontrarás alternativas:
 
 https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=engws_rd=ssl#complete=0hl=enq=nfs+client+mount+utf8
 
 Es que creo que la movida está en el Cliente NFS de Windows...

Efectivamente, pero parece que usando la versión 4.1 no da problemas, o 
eso dicen por aquí:

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/105223/how-to-mount-an-ntfs-drive-as-utf8-over-nfs

Si no puedes forzar el uso de esa versión, vete pensando en buscar otro 
cliente NFS que sí admita utf-8 :-)

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Re: DHCP: máquinas que consumen dos ips

El Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:04:33 +0200, José Miguel (sio2) escribió:

 El Sun, 12 de Oct de 2014, a las 11:45:06AM +, Camaleón dijo:
 
 En ese caso quizá te convenga repartir las IP de manera estática
 (fixed-
 address) usando DHCP para evitar que haya duplicados y así te olvidas
 del problema.
 
 Sé que esa es una solución posible, pero me gustaría no tener que
 utilizarla.

¿Por algún motivo en particular? Dadas las restricciones que tienes con 
la asignación de las IP sería lo más lógico ¿no? :-?

 Si los clientes Windows envían el ID ¿has pensando en configurar los
 clientes linux para que hagan lo mismo? En man dhclient.conf hablan
 de dhcp-client-identifier, quizá te pueda servir.
 
 Sé que puedo hacer eso. De hecho, en el mensaje al que respondes creo
 que conté que las pruebas las había hecho exclusivamente con clientes
 linux. La forma de hacer las pruebas consistió en comentar y descomentar
 la línea que hace a dhclient enviar el uid. Sin embargo, esa solución no
 vale cuando se arranca por red.

(...)

¿Tampoco vale en los clientes Windows que arrancan por red o es que sólo 
los clientes Linux tiran de PXE? Si es esto último entonces entendido :-)

 El manual dice que la opción deny duplicates evita que un cliente
 reciba leases adicionales cuando la MAC que está declarada en el host
 es la misma. Bien, pero quizá eso no implica que mantenga o se le
 vuelva a asignar el lease anterior, simplemente evita que reciba otro.
 Y quizá lo haga porque primero da prioridad al ID y luego a la
 dirección MAC cuando únicamente debería utilizar la dirección MAC para
 evaluar quién es el cliente que solicita una nueva IP.
 
 Tiene sentido lo que dices y es una posible explicación de por qué no
 funcionan las cosas. Para confirmarla he hecho la siguiente prueba:
 
 1. El rango de ips posibles, en vez de ser de una ip, es de dos:
la 192.168.129.66 y la .67.
 
 2. Primero pide el cliente con un uid (el típico de
1:MAC:DE:LA:TARJETA) y luego, sin que envíe al servidor noticia de
que ya no quiere la ip concedida, con otro distinto uid
(1:1:1:1:1:1:1)
 
 Si fuera cierto lo que supones y estuviera bien configurado el servidor:
 
 + con allow duplicates (o sea, sin nada) en la primera ocasión se
   recibiría una ip (la .66, por ejemplo) y en la segunda ocasión la
   segunda (la .67). Y ya no habría más ips disponibles.
 
 + con deny duplicates en la primera ocasión se recibiría una ip (la
   .66, por ejemplo) y en la segunda ocasión, aunque haya una ip
   disponible no se recibiría ninguna, porque el ordenador se negaría a
   entregar una segunda ip ya que hay vigente una concesión para la MAC
   que está requiriendo otra (aunque el uid sea distinto).
 
 Pues he probado, y no ocurre lo previsto: con deny duplicates recibo
 primero una ip (la .66) y luego la otra (la .67).
 
 No entiendo nada.

¿Y con deny duplicates sigue la .66 ocupada o el servidor la ha 
liberado?

Es posible que estemos interpretando mal lo que hace esa variable o que 
nos estemos saltando algo básico, como que demos por hecho que el 
servidor esté evaluando la petición del cliente recibiendo la información 
correcta (MAC duplicadas → no más leases) cuando realmente no es así de 
ahí la importancia de los registros para que qué datos son los que le 
llegan al servidor.

 De todas formas, revisa en registro para ver qué es lo que hace
 exactamente
 
 Estoy mirando /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases para comprobar todo lo que
 ocurre.

Y también en el cliente podrás obtener información jugosa (creo que esto 
va a parar al /var/log/syslog).

 consulta también la opción one-lease-per-client, es posible que
 tengas que combinar ambas para que funcione.
 
 La conocía también probé y no me funcionó. Después de leer tu mensaje,
 me releí el manual:

(...)

 No me pareció que aquí dijera nada acerca de que al cliente sólo lo
 identifique por su MAC (con lo cual es de suponer que lo identifica con
 UID), pero igualemente  hice una nueva prueba.
 
 La otra vez que había probado lo había hecho con sólo una ip disponible
 y pensé que a lo mejor el servidor liberaba el resto de concesiones una
 vez que concedía la nueva ip. Así que me decidí a probarlo de nuevo, con
 dos ips disponibles: quizás primero concede la .66, luego la .67, pero
 libera la .66 y así sucesivamente.
 
 Pero tampoco: se concede la .66 y luego, con uid distinto, la .67 sin
 liberar la .66. Pero esto sí tiene explicación: el uid no coincide, así
 que es otro cliente. De hecho, después de recibir la 67, pare el cliente
 sin que se coscase el servidor, me metí en la caché de concesiones,
 cambié el .67 por el .66 para que el cliente al enviar si nueva petición
 le diga al servidor que quiere la .66 y... funcionó: el servidor le dió
 la 66 e revocó la concesión de la 67.
 
 Así que esta segunda opción no sirve en absoluto.
 
 Quizás es que, simplemente, no se puede hacer lo que quiero. Lo que me
 tiene escamado es que el comportamiento con deny duplicates: o no
 tengo algo bien

Re: chromium

2014-10-12 Thread Manolo Díaz


debian jessie 64bits

esto fue lo que me dijo cuando lo reinstale para ver si se corrige el error


% apt-get --reinstall install chromium
Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
Creando árbol de dependencias
Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
0 actualizados, 0 se instalarán, 1 reinstalados, 0 para eliminar y 0
no actualizados.
Se necesita descargar 0 B/37,5 MB de archivos.
Se utilizarán 0 B de espacio de disco adicional después de esta operación.
(Leyendo la base de datos ... 646985 ficheros o directorios instalados
actualmente.)
Preparing to unpack .../chromium_38.0.2125.101-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking chromium (38.0.2125.101-1) over (38.0.2125.101-1) ...
Processing triggers for menu (2.1.47) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-1) ...
Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.13-1) ...
Processing triggers for mime-support (3.57) ...
Processing triggers for gnome-menus (3.13.3-2) ...
Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.22-1) ...
Configurando chromium (38.0.2125.101-1) ...
dpkg: aviso: la versión `/etc/chromium/master_preferences' tiene una
sintaxis errónea: el número de versión no empieza por un dígito
Processing triggers for menu (2.1.47) ...
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El día 12 de octubre de 2014, 15:26, Edward Villarroel (EDD)
edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió:
 buenas tarde soy el unico que tras instalar las actualizaciones de
 jessie chromiun le dejo de funcionar?


 Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd

Cuando ocurre algo así, no está de más buscar si alguien ya ha
informado del error en https://www.debian.org/Bugs

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Re: chromium y chrome version 38

2014-10-12 Thread Christian Frausto Bernal


On 12/10/2014 01:56 p.m., Edward Villarroel (EDD) wrote:
 buenas tarde soy el unico que tras instalar las actualizaciones de
 jessie chromiun le dejo de funcionar?


 Edward Villarroel:  @Agentedd



Me dejo de funcionar chrome al actualizarlo a la version 38 en squeeze,
podria ser el mismo problema, ya lo esta reparando

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome-es/87mjpL3evik

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Re: chromium y chrome version 38

muchas gracias si por lo que pude leer se trata del mismo problema
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Re: Debian netflix

2014-10-12 Thread Sérgio Abrantes Junior

Olá,

Li outro dia que a Netflix está usando html5 e que o chrome roda sem
nenhuma gambiarra.

Tente talvez baixar direto da google o instalador.

Até!

Sérgio Abrantes
Em 10/10/2014 15:49, Paulo Roberto shellcl...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Alguém sabe os pacotes para utilizar o netflix de forma nativa no
 chromium/chrome estarão disponíveis no backports? Andei dando uma procurada
 na internet se já tem algum trabalho nesse sentido mas pelo que percebi não
 será possível devido as dependências.


 https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/10/watch-netflix-in-ubuntu-today/

Re: como atualizar kernel?

2014-10-12 Thread Gunther Furtado

Em 11.10.2014, sábado, Leandro disse:

 Nao sei o que os colegas vao achar mas por padrao 10GB e o mínimo
 para para o /.


Bem, não é servidor, é Desktop. 1,5GB acho que estaria até de mais, mas
definitivamente, 315MB (tamanho escolhido pelo instalador) foi muito
pouco.

Abrax,


 Em 11/10/2014 12:03, Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com
 escreveu:
 
  Prezad@s,
 
  Toda vez que tento atualizar o pacote linux-image-686-pae da
  testing ele tenta instalar o linux-image-3.16-2-686-pae e surge um
  erro:
 
  dpkg: error processing archive
  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.16-2-686-pae_3.16.3-2_i386.deb
  (--unpack):
   cannot copy extracted data for
  './lib/modules/3.16-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko' to
  '/lib/modules/3.16-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko.dpkg-new':
  unexpected end of file or stream
  dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
 
  sempre nos drivers scsi, mas nem sempre no megaraid
 
  Acho que, apesar do erro ser 'unexpected end of file or stream',
  isto está relacionado à falta de espaço em /.
 
  root@kidos:~# df -h
  Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
  /dev/sda1   315M  223M   71M  76% /
  udev 10M 0   10M   0% /dev
  tmpfs   200M  5,2M  195M   3% /run
  tmpfs   500M   92K  500M   1% /dev/shm
  tmpfs   5,0M  4,0K  5,0M   1% /run/lock
  tmpfs   500M 0  500M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
  /dev/sda978G  713M   74G   1% /home
  /dev/sda6   2,7G  585M  2,0G  23% /var
  /dev/sda5   8,2G  3,0G  4,8G  38% /usr
  tmpfs   100M  4,0K  100M   1% /run/user/109
  /dev/sda8   360M  2,8M  335M   1% /tmp
  tmpfs   100M  8,0K  100M   1% /run/user/1000
  root@kidos:~#
 
  Os modulos da versão instalada do kernel ocupam 111,0 MB.
  Imaginando que o memo espaço deva ser ocupado pelos módulos novos,
  é preciso liberar uns 60MB em / para conseguir atualizar o
  kernel. localepurge instalado e operando, /var e /tmp em partições
  separadas.
 
  O diretório  /lib etá ocupando 175,3 MB, ou seja, mais de metade de
  /, /bin+/bin/etc=26MB, então, se eu quiser liberar 50 MB, tenho
  que apagar alguma coisa em /lib?
 
  Preciso liberar 50MB em /lib:
  root@kidos:~# du -kh --max-depth=1 /lib
  13M/lib/udev
  41K/lib/startpar
  29K/lib/crda
  4,2M/lib/discover
  2,0K/lib/modules-load.d
  19K/lib/lsb
  94K/lib/terminfo
  1,1M/lib/xtables
  2,0K/lib/ifupdown
  7,1M/lib/systemd
  36K/lib/init
  10K/lib/hdparm
  47K/lib/security
  2,0K/lib/modprobe.d
  40K/lib/sysvinit
  19M/lib/firmware
  19M/lib/i386-linux-gnu
  109M/lib/modules
  171M/lib
  root@kidos:~#
 
  Alguém sabe dizer se tem alguma valor fora do normal na lita acima?
 
  Acho que posso quebrar o sistema se apagar alguma coisa, logo, não
  vou liberar espaço em /lib.
 
  Vou ter que apelar para redimensionamentos de partições, é isso?
 
  Uma dúvida: porque o particionador automático do instalador do
  Debian reserva tão pouco espaço para /?
 
  Abraço,
 
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Re: como atualizar kernel?

2014-10-12 Thread Diego Neves

Até onde eu sei, nesses 7 anos usando Debian, você pode escolher o layout
da tabela de partições durante a instalação dos sistema..

Em 12 de outubro de 2014 09:59, Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com
escreveu:

 Em 11.10.2014, sábado, Leandro disse:

  Nao sei o que os colegas vao achar mas por padrao 10GB e o mínimo
  para para o /.


 Bem, não é servidor, é Desktop. 1,5GB acho que estaria até de mais, mas
 definitivamente, 315MB (tamanho escolhido pelo instalador) foi muito
 pouco.

 Abrax,


  Em 11/10/2014 12:03, Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com
  escreveu:
 
   Prezad@s,
  
   Toda vez que tento atualizar o pacote linux-image-686-pae da
   testing ele tenta instalar o linux-image-3.16-2-686-pae e surge um
   erro:
  
   dpkg: error processing archive
   /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.16-2-686-pae_3.16.3-2_i386.deb
   (--unpack):
cannot copy extracted data for
   './lib/modules/3.16-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko' to
   '/lib/modules/3.16-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko.dpkg-new':
   unexpected end of file or stream
   dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
  
   sempre nos drivers scsi, mas nem sempre no megaraid
  
   Acho que, apesar do erro ser 'unexpected end of file or stream',
   isto está relacionado à falta de espaço em /.
  
   root@kidos:~# df -h
   Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
   /dev/sda1   315M  223M   71M  76% /
   udev 10M 0   10M   0% /dev
   tmpfs   200M  5,2M  195M   3% /run
   tmpfs   500M   92K  500M   1% /dev/shm
   tmpfs   5,0M  4,0K  5,0M   1% /run/lock
   tmpfs   500M 0  500M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
   /dev/sda978G  713M   74G   1% /home
   /dev/sda6   2,7G  585M  2,0G  23% /var
   /dev/sda5   8,2G  3,0G  4,8G  38% /usr
   tmpfs   100M  4,0K  100M   1% /run/user/109
   /dev/sda8   360M  2,8M  335M   1% /tmp
   tmpfs   100M  8,0K  100M   1% /run/user/1000
   root@kidos:~#
  
   Os modulos da versão instalada do kernel ocupam 111,0 MB.
   Imaginando que o memo espaço deva ser ocupado pelos módulos novos,
   é preciso liberar uns 60MB em / para conseguir atualizar o
   kernel. localepurge instalado e operando, /var e /tmp em partições
   separadas.
  
   O diretório  /lib etá ocupando 175,3 MB, ou seja, mais de metade de
   /, /bin+/bin/etc=26MB, então, se eu quiser liberar 50 MB, tenho
   que apagar alguma coisa em /lib?
  
   Preciso liberar 50MB em /lib:
   root@kidos:~# du -kh --max-depth=1 /lib
   13M/lib/udev
   41K/lib/startpar
   29K/lib/crda
   4,2M/lib/discover
   2,0K/lib/modules-load.d
   19K/lib/lsb
   94K/lib/terminfo
   1,1M/lib/xtables
   2,0K/lib/ifupdown
   7,1M/lib/systemd
   36K/lib/init
   10K/lib/hdparm
   47K/lib/security
   2,0K/lib/modprobe.d
   40K/lib/sysvinit
   19M/lib/firmware
   19M/lib/i386-linux-gnu
   109M/lib/modules
   171M/lib
   root@kidos:~#
  
   Alguém sabe dizer se tem alguma valor fora do normal na lita acima?
  
   Acho que posso quebrar o sistema se apagar alguma coisa, logo, não
   vou liberar espaço em /lib.
  
   Vou ter que apelar para redimensionamentos de partições, é isso?
  
   Uma dúvida: porque o particionador automático do instalador do
   Debian reserva tão pouco espaço para /?
  
   Abraço,
  
   --
  
   ¿De dónde viene tu mentir,
   y adónde empieza tu verdad?
   ¡Parece broma tu mirar,
   llanto parece tu reír! Violeta Parra
  
  
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   Curitiba - Paraná - Brasil
   gunfurt...@gmail.com
   sip:furta...@ekiga.net
  
  
  


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Re: como atualizar kernel?

2014-10-12 Thread Gunther Furtado

Em 12.10.2014, domingo, Diego Neves disse:

 Até onde eu sei, nesses 7 anos usando Debian, você pode escolher o
 layout da tabela de partições durante a instalação dos sistema..

Eu sei que posso, o que eu não sabia que não podia era acreditar que o
tamanho das partições automaticamente determinadas pelo instalador iam
me dar tanto trabalho.

Da próxima vez, confio menos.

Abrax.


 
 Em 12 de outubro de 2014 09:59, Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com
 escreveu:
 
  Em 11.10.2014, sábado, Leandro disse:
 
   Nao sei o que os colegas vao achar mas por padrao 10GB e o mínimo
   para para o /.
 
 
  Bem, não é servidor, é Desktop. 1,5GB acho que estaria até de mais,
  mas definitivamente, 315MB (tamanho escolhido pelo instalador) foi
  muito pouco.
 
  Abrax,
 
 
   Em 11/10/2014 12:03, Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com
   escreveu:
  
Prezad@s,
   
Toda vez que tento atualizar o pacote linux-image-686-pae da
testing ele tenta instalar o linux-image-3.16-2-686-pae e surge
um erro:
   
dpkg: error processing archive
/var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.16-2-686-pae_3.16.3-2_i386.deb
(--unpack):
 cannot copy extracted data for
'./lib/modules/3.16-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko'
to
'/lib/modules/3.16-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko.dpkg-new':
unexpected end of file or stream dpkg-deb: error: subprocess
paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
   
sempre nos drivers scsi, mas nem sempre no megaraid
   
Acho que, apesar do erro ser 'unexpected end of file or stream',
isto está relacionado à falta de espaço em /.
   
root@kidos:~# df -h
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1   315M  223M   71M  76% /
udev 10M 0   10M   0% /dev
tmpfs   200M  5,2M  195M   3% /run
tmpfs   500M   92K  500M   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs   5,0M  4,0K  5,0M   1% /run/lock
tmpfs   500M 0  500M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/sda978G  713M   74G   1% /home
/dev/sda6   2,7G  585M  2,0G  23% /var
/dev/sda5   8,2G  3,0G  4,8G  38% /usr
tmpfs   100M  4,0K  100M   1% /run/user/109
/dev/sda8   360M  2,8M  335M   1% /tmp
tmpfs   100M  8,0K  100M   1% /run/user/1000
root@kidos:~#
   
Os modulos da versão instalada do kernel ocupam 111,0 MB.
Imaginando que o memo espaço deva ser ocupado pelos módulos
novos, é preciso liberar uns 60MB em / para conseguir
atualizar o kernel. localepurge instalado e operando, /var
e /tmp em partições separadas.
   
O diretório  /lib etá ocupando 175,3 MB, ou seja, mais de
metade de /, /bin+/bin/etc=26MB, então, se eu quiser liberar
50 MB, tenho que apagar alguma coisa em /lib?
   
Preciso liberar 50MB em /lib:
root@kidos:~# du -kh --max-depth=1 /lib
13M/lib/udev
41K/lib/startpar
29K/lib/crda
4,2M/lib/discover
2,0K/lib/modules-load.d
19K/lib/lsb
94K/lib/terminfo
1,1M/lib/xtables
2,0K/lib/ifupdown
7,1M/lib/systemd
36K/lib/init
10K/lib/hdparm
47K/lib/security
2,0K/lib/modprobe.d
40K/lib/sysvinit
19M/lib/firmware
19M/lib/i386-linux-gnu
109M/lib/modules
171M/lib
root@kidos:~#
   
Alguém sabe dizer se tem alguma valor fora do normal na lita
acima?
   
Acho que posso quebrar o sistema se apagar alguma coisa, logo,
não vou liberar espaço em /lib.
   
Vou ter que apelar para redimensionamentos de partições, é isso?
   
Uma dúvida: porque o particionador automático do instalador do
Debian reserva tão pouco espaço para /?
   
Abraço,
   
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google chrome

2014-10-12 Thread Ricardo Braz

Tenho instalado o google chrome mas depois de atualizar o debian ele parou
de funcionar e quando tendo executar via terminal da a seguinte mensagem:

ricardo@rickybraz:~$ /usr/bin/google-chrome-stable
Falha de segmentação

o que pode estar acontecendo, ja re-instalei, removi e instalei novamente
mas nada resolveu.

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Celular: (49) 9911 8701

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Re: como atualizar kernel?

2014-10-12 Thread Diego Rabatone

Cara,  no particionamento automatico nunca vi o debian separar vai e tmp.
No automatico ou é partição única ou,  mais recentemente,  home separado.
E só que eu me lembre.
Em 12/10/2014 11:00, Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Em 12.10.2014, domingo, Diego Neves disse:

  Até onde eu sei, nesses 7 anos usando Debian, você pode escolher o
  layout da tabela de partições durante a instalação dos sistema..

 Eu sei que posso, o que eu não sabia que não podia era acreditar que o
 tamanho das partições automaticamente determinadas pelo instalador iam
 me dar tanto trabalho.

 Da próxima vez, confio menos.

 Abrax.


 
  Em 12 de outubro de 2014 09:59, Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com
  escreveu:
 
   Em 11.10.2014, sábado, Leandro disse:
  
Nao sei o que os colegas vao achar mas por padrao 10GB e o mínimo
para para o /.
  
  
   Bem, não é servidor, é Desktop. 1,5GB acho que estaria até de mais,
   mas definitivamente, 315MB (tamanho escolhido pelo instalador) foi
   muito pouco.
  
   Abrax,
  
  
Em 11/10/2014 12:03, Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com
escreveu:
   
 Prezad@s,

 Toda vez que tento atualizar o pacote linux-image-686-pae da
 testing ele tenta instalar o linux-image-3.16-2-686-pae e surge
 um erro:

 dpkg: error processing archive

 /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.16-2-686-pae_3.16.3-2_i386.deb
 (--unpack):
  cannot copy extracted data for
 './lib/modules/3.16-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko'
 to

 '/lib/modules/3.16-2-686-pae/kernel/drivers/scsi/megaraid.ko.dpkg-new':
 unexpected end of file or stream dpkg-deb: error: subprocess
 paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)

 sempre nos drivers scsi, mas nem sempre no megaraid

 Acho que, apesar do erro ser 'unexpected end of file or stream',
 isto está relacionado à falta de espaço em /.

 root@kidos:~# df -h
 Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 /dev/sda1   315M  223M   71M  76% /
 udev 10M 0   10M   0% /dev
 tmpfs   200M  5,2M  195M   3% /run
 tmpfs   500M   92K  500M   1% /dev/shm
 tmpfs   5,0M  4,0K  5,0M   1% /run/lock
 tmpfs   500M 0  500M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
 /dev/sda978G  713M   74G   1% /home
 /dev/sda6   2,7G  585M  2,0G  23% /var
 /dev/sda5   8,2G  3,0G  4,8G  38% /usr
 tmpfs   100M  4,0K  100M   1% /run/user/109
 /dev/sda8   360M  2,8M  335M   1% /tmp
 tmpfs   100M  8,0K  100M   1% /run/user/1000
 root@kidos:~#

 Os modulos da versão instalada do kernel ocupam 111,0 MB.
 Imaginando que o memo espaço deva ser ocupado pelos módulos
 novos, é preciso liberar uns 60MB em / para conseguir
 atualizar o kernel. localepurge instalado e operando, /var
 e /tmp em partições separadas.

 O diretório  /lib etá ocupando 175,3 MB, ou seja, mais de
 metade de /, /bin+/bin/etc=26MB, então, se eu quiser liberar
 50 MB, tenho que apagar alguma coisa em /lib?

 Preciso liberar 50MB em /lib:
 root@kidos:~# du -kh --max-depth=1 /lib
 13M/lib/udev
 41K/lib/startpar
 29K/lib/crda
 4,2M/lib/discover
 2,0K/lib/modules-load.d
 19K/lib/lsb
 94K/lib/terminfo
 1,1M/lib/xtables
 2,0K/lib/ifupdown
 7,1M/lib/systemd
 36K/lib/init
 10K/lib/hdparm
 47K/lib/security
 2,0K/lib/modprobe.d
 40K/lib/sysvinit
 19M/lib/firmware
 19M/lib/i386-linux-gnu
 109M/lib/modules
 171M/lib
 root@kidos:~#

 Alguém sabe dizer se tem alguma valor fora do normal na lita
 acima?

 Acho que posso quebrar o sistema se apagar alguma coisa, logo,
 não vou liberar espaço em /lib.

 Vou ter que apelar para redimensionamentos de partições, é isso?

 Uma dúvida: porque o particionador automático do instalador do
 Debian reserva tão pouco espaço para /?

 Abraço,

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Re: google chrome

2014-10-12 Thread Gunther Furtado

Olá,

Em 12.10.2014, domingo, Ricardo Braz disse:

 Tenho instalado o google chrome mas depois de atualizar o debian ele
 parou de funcionar e quando tendo executar via terminal da a seguinte
 mensagem:
 
 ricardo@rickybraz:~$ /usr/bin/google-chrome-stable
 Falha de segmentação

Por aqui, com o chromium, está assim:

$ chromium 
[2284:2311:1012/114554:ERROR:nss_util.cc(821)] After loading Root
Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018
[2284:2284:1012/114611:ERROR:desktop_window_tree_host_x11.cc(1547)] Not
implemented reached in void
views::DesktopWindowTreeHostX11::MapWindow(ui::WindowShowState)
[2284:2284:1012/114612:ERROR:account_tracker.cc(306)]
OnGetTokenFailure: Invalid credentials.
[2284:2284:1012/114612:ERROR:account_tracker.cc(306)]
OnGetTokenFailure: Invalid credentials. Falha de segmentação


 
 o que pode estar acontecendo, ja re-instalei, removi e instalei
 novamente mas nada resolveu.
 
 Ricardo J. Braz
 Celular: (49) 9911 8701
 
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 vamos, aproveitamos um pouco de cada uma delas em toda parte - Tim
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Re: google chrome

2014-10-12 Thread Adilson Francisco da Silva

Olá aqui o chromium está com problemas também. Após a mensagem ele
abre e então parece uma barra amarela com o aviso:

Google API keys are missing. Some functionality of Chromium will be disabled.

$ chromium
[2121:2144:1012/150815:ERROR:nss_util.cc(821)] After loading Root
Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018
ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment.
[2121:2121:1012/150817:ERROR:desktop_window_tree_host_x11.cc(1547)]
Not implemented reached in void
views::DesktopWindowTreeHostX11::MapWindow(ui::WindowShowState)

Em 12 de outubro de 2014 11:47, Gunther Furtado gunfurt...@gmail.com escreveu:
 Olá,

 Em 12.10.2014, domingo, Ricardo Braz disse:

 Tenho instalado o google chrome mas depois de atualizar o debian ele
 parou de funcionar e quando tendo executar via terminal da a seguinte
 mensagem:

 ricardo@rickybraz:~$ /usr/bin/google-chrome-stable
 Falha de segmentação

 Por aqui, com o chromium, está assim:

 $ chromium
 [2284:2311:1012/114554:ERROR:nss_util.cc(821)] After loading Root
 Certs, loaded==false: NSS error code: -8018
 [2284:2284:1012/114611:ERROR:desktop_window_tree_host_x11.cc(1547)] Not
 implemented reached in void
 views::DesktopWindowTreeHostX11::MapWindow(ui::WindowShowState)
 [2284:2284:1012/114612:ERROR:account_tracker.cc(306)]
 OnGetTokenFailure: Invalid credentials.
 [2284:2284:1012/114612:ERROR:account_tracker.cc(306)]
 OnGetTokenFailure: Invalid credentials. Falha de segmentação



 o que pode estar acontecendo, ja re-instalei, removi e instalei
 novamente mas nada resolveu.

 Ricardo J. Braz
 Celular: (49) 9911 8701

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 vamos, aproveitamos um pouco de cada uma delas em toda parte - Tim
 McGrew


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Re: Debian netflix

2014-10-12 Thread Paulo Roberto

Dei uma boa pesquisada no assunto e o problema é que mesmo utilizando o
google-chrome-stable, que está na versão 38, ainda não é possível utilizar
o netflix de forma nativa. O problema é a libnss3 e suas dependências. A
libnss3 tem deve ser = 3-17-1. O wheezy utiliza 3.14-5,conversei com o
pessoal no #debian freenode e a versão necessária não vai chegar ao wheezy,
ficará para o jessie mesmo. A última esperança e que apareça no backports.

2014-10-12 7:16 GMT-03:00 Sérgio Abrantes Junior sergioabran...@gmail.com:

 Olá,

 Li outro dia que a Netflix está usando html5 e que o chrome roda sem
 nenhuma gambiarra.

 Tente talvez baixar direto da google o instalador.

 Até!

 Sérgio Abrantes
 Em 10/10/2014 15:49, Paulo Roberto shellcl...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Alguém sabe os pacotes para utilizar o netflix de forma nativa no
 chromium/chrome estarão disponíveis no backports? Andei dando uma procurada
 na internet se já tem algum trabalho nesse sentido mas pelo que percebi não
 será possível devido as dependências.


 https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/10/watch-netflix-in-ubuntu-today/

Re: Debian netflix

2014-10-12 Thread Sérgio Abrantes Junior

Roberto,

Quando li o texto, li também que funcionaria no Ubuntu.
Avalie a possibilidade de usar a biblioteca dele para que funcione ou
compilar.Se é importante não espere pacote na árvore oficial.

Até!

Sergio Abrantes
 Em 12/10/2014 19:44, Paulo Roberto shellcl...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Dei uma boa pesquisada no assunto e o problema é que mesmo utilizando o
 google-chrome-stable, que está na versão 38, ainda não é possível utilizar
 o netflix de forma nativa. O problema é a libnss3 e suas dependências. A
 libnss3 tem deve ser = 3-17-1. O wheezy utiliza 3.14-5,conversei com o
 pessoal no #debian freenode e a versão necessária não vai chegar ao wheezy,
 ficará para o jessie mesmo. A última esperança e que apareça no backports.

 2014-10-12 7:16 GMT-03:00 Sérgio Abrantes Junior sergioabran...@gmail.com
 :

 Olá,

 Li outro dia que a Netflix está usando html5 e que o chrome roda sem
 nenhuma gambiarra.

 Tente talvez baixar direto da google o instalador.

 Até!

 Sérgio Abrantes
 Em 10/10/2014 15:49, Paulo Roberto shellcl...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Alguém sabe os pacotes para utilizar o netflix de forma nativa no
 chromium/chrome estarão disponíveis no backports? Andei dando uma procurada
 na internet se já tem algum trabalho nesse sentido mas pelo que percebi não
 será possível devido as dependências.


 https://insights.ubuntu.com/2014/10/10/watch-netflix-in-ubuntu-today/

software para livro infantil

2014-10-12 Thread Fred Maranhão

qual o software mais adequado para compor um livro infantil? estilo
menino maluquinho, com muitas figuras e umas frases.

pensei em inkscape ou scribus. qual dos dois? existem outras opções?

ou devo fazer as figuras no inkscape e levar para o scribus?


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Re: software para livro infantil

2014-10-12 Thread Edson Araújo

O LibreOffice Draw pode ser uma boa alternativa ao Scribus.Se quiser adicionar 
um software pra tratar as figuras criadas no Inkscape, podes tentar o Gimp
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 Em Domingo, 12 de Outubro de 2014 22:37, Fred Maranhão 
fred.maran...@gmail.com escreveu:
   

 qual o software mais adequado para compor um livro infantil? estilo
menino maluquinho, com muitas figuras e umas frases.

pensei em inkscape ou scribus. qual dos dois? existem outras opções?

ou devo fazer as figuras no inkscape e levar para o scribus?


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Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage


On 12/10/14 04:12, Peter Zoeller wrote:

But the nice
thing is shell scripting is simplistic easy to learn and understand.


I refer the audience to David A. Wheeler's essay[1] on how to handle 
filenames correctly in shell scripts, and to the bug report that he 
filed against POSIX.1-2008[2] on the subject. From those, I take away 
the lesson that no, shell scripting is not simplistic, easy to learn, 
and easy to understand. It just *looks* simplistic, easy to learn, and 
easy to understand, in ways that make it a horribly effective footgun.


[1] http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/filenames-in-shell.html

[2] http://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=248 - If the people who 
curate the standard commit these kinds of errors when writing examples 
for the standard, what hope does J. Random User have?



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Re: Nvidia No GLX to using OpenGL...

2014-10-12 Thread Floris

Op Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:21:16 +0200 schreef Gábor Hársfalvi  
hgab...@gmail.com:



Thanks for the help!

apt-show-versions | grep nvidia
libgl1-nvidia-alternatives/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2
libglx-nvidia-alternatives/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-486/squeeze uptodate  
195.36.31+4+6squeeze2+2.6.32-45
nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem 195.36.31-6squeeze2+2.6.32-48squeeze8  
newer than version in archive

nvidia-kernel-common/squeeze uptodate 20100522+1
nvidia-kernel-source/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2
nvidia-settings/squeeze uptodate 195.36.24-1
nvidia-vdpau-driver/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2
nvidia-xconfig/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-1



and could you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?



this is a four year old version. Try to use the squeeze-backports version

add:
deb http://http.debian.net/debian-backports squeeze-backports main  
non-free contrib

to /etc/apt/sources.list

run:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx

success,

floris

Re: Nvidia No GLX to using OpenGL...

2014-10-12 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi

Many thanks for helping!

I solved with reinstalling drivers with:

Reboot into Single User mode.

# aptitude update
# aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-xconfig
# m-a prepare
# m-a a-i nvidia
# aptitude install nvidia-glx
# nvidia-xconfig
# modprobe -v nvidia


And with manually moving the right ...glx.so files in /usr/lib/nvidia and
/usr/lib

2014-10-12 11:10 GMT+02:00 Floris jkflo...@dds.nl:

  Op Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:21:16 +0200 schreef Gábor Hársfalvi 
 hgab...@gmail.com:

 Thanks for the help!

 apt-show-versions | grep nvidia
 libgl1-nvidia-alternatives/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2
 libglx-nvidia-alternatives/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2
 nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-486/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31+4+6squeeze2+2.6.32-45
 nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem 195.36.31-6squeeze2+2.6.32-48squeeze8
 newer than version in archive
 nvidia-kernel-common/squeeze uptodate 20100522+1
 nvidia-kernel-source/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2
 nvidia-settings/squeeze uptodate 195.36.24-1
 nvidia-vdpau-driver/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-6squeeze2
 nvidia-xconfig/squeeze uptodate 195.36.31-1



 and could you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?


 this is a four year old version. Try to use the squeeze-backports version

 add:
 deb http://http.debian.net/debian-backports squeeze-backports main
 non-free contrib
 to /etc/apt/sources.list

 run:
 sudo apt-get update
 sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx

 success,

 floris

Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

2014-10-12 Thread Joel Rees

Hmm. Let's comment that for people newer to scripting than I am.

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
[...]
Daemontools runscripts are incredibly simple shellscripts, that I'm
sure you could write no sweat except in very wierd edge cases. Here's
my run script for my home-grown cron substitute:

==
#!/bin/sh

### DON'T START littcrond UNTIL THE NETWORK'S UP ###
pingaddr=8.8.8.8
pingaddr=192.168.something

Binding a value to pingaddr twice?

echo littcrond checking network 12

echo is kind of like a basic print statement, except you sort of don't
need quotes. littcrond , checking , and network are passed as three
separate tokens to echo, which sees each one as a string literal
(because it doesn't recognize any of them as something defined) and
echoed separately literally.

The clot 12 , (man bash, / search for redirect) redirects stderr to
stdout for the echo.

while ! ping -q -c1 $pingaddr /dev/null; do

between the while and the semicolon is the condition. Between the do
and the done are the commands to execute in the loop. The loop
condition is tested at the start of the loop.

Exclamation mark inverts the test.

ping returns a success value.

In shell, success is zero, failure non-zero. That allows failure to be
an error code, but it also surprises you if you forget that it's the
reverse of C and many other languages. This doesn't really matter
here, because ! expects the shell version of a boolean flag, so it
does what it should.

man ping tells us -q is quiet and -c1 says stop after 1 packet.

$pingaddr refers through the name pingaddr, which was last bound to a
LAN local address above, essentially as if pingaddr were a variable.

sleep 1
echo littcrond REchecking network 12
done

So the meat of the loop is in the test, and the body we just sleep and
so we are waiting/checking.

### RUN THE DAEMON ###
exec envuidgid slitt envdir ./env setuidgid slitt \
/d/at/python/littcron/littcron.py \
/d/at/python/littcron/crontab

man exec for clues to that, understand that littcron.py is Steve's
special cron (right, Steve?), and that he is setting up a special
environment for things and there's other stuff there that I can only
guess at, not having the code to littcron, I think. So I'll punt here.

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2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard


Andrei Popescu:

Why should I write a script? I'm not a programmer.
I can write a (simple) shellscript, but I wouldn't dare write an
initscript or even a daemontools runscript.


You have an incorrect mental model of the relative difficulty of the 
tasks.  A run program for a daemontools-family service is a handful of 
lines of script, often a one-liner.  And many shell constructs are 
simply unnecessary, to the point that people sometimes don't even write 
these scripts with a shell as the interpreter at all, using one of the 
several simpler script interpreters available instead (such as 
execline).  (And there's nothing saying that run programs even have to 
be interpreted scripts at all.)  Gerrit Pape has collected a few run 
scripts over the years, and one can see what a typical run script looks 
like.  The one for squid is at 
http://smarden.org/runit/runscripts.html#squid for example.  Wayne 
Marshall also made an annotated collection about 10 years ago, which can 
be seen at http://thedjbway.b0llix.net/services.html .  An /etc/init.d/ 
script, on the other hand, is lots of shell in comparison and by far the 
more difficult of the twain to write.


The irony is that your stated ability to write a simple shell script is 
in fact enough to be able to write a run script for a daemontools-family 
service.


Andrei Popescu:

I recently needed something to run imapfilter and restart it in case
it might exit, so I had a look at daemontools. I gave up quickly after I
realised the amount of scaffolding required just to get daemontools
itself running (additional top-level directories, are you kidding?).


The service scanner directory used by the daemontools-run package in 
Debian Linux is /etc/service/, which is not a top-level directory by 
anyone's measure.  You actually have a Debian package with the 
Debianisms already built in for you.  You'd have done much better to 
have started with it.



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2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard


Andrei Popescu:

I recently needed something to run imapfilter and restart it in case
it might exit, so I had a look at daemontools. I gave up quickly [...]


And here's how one can do it with the nosh package 
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/Softwares/nosh.html).


I took a template service unit for imapfilter from the WWW and tweaked 
it a little bit:


root /var/sv #cat imapfilter@.service
[Unit]
Description=%p daemon service for %I

[Service]
Type=simple
ExecStart=%p -c /home/%I/.%p/config.lua
Restart=always
User=%I

[Install]
WantedBy=workstation.target
root /var/sv #

The nosh package's native service configuration is of course the service 
bundle, a compatible superset of the daemontools-family service/ and 
supervise/ directories; and the package has a tool for converting 
systemd service, socket, and target units (within some fairly broad 
limits, as explained in depth in the chapter on converting systemd units 
in the nosh Guide).  So I ran it, instatiating the template:


root /var/sv #system-control convert-systemd-units 
./imapfilter@popescu.service

root /var/sv #

It produced an entire service bundle.  Since you've been talking about 
how, supposedly, hard run scripts are to write, the interesting part is 
the auto-generated run script that the import tool produced.  Even this 
isn't particularly complex:


root /var/sv #cat imapfilter@popescu/service/run
#!/bin/nosh
#Run file generated from ./imapfilter@.service
#imapfilter daemon service for popescu
chdir /
setuidgid popescu
imapfilter -c /home/popescu/.imapfilter/config.lua
root /var/sv #

It uses one of those minimum-functionality script interpreters that I 
mentioned before.  One could of course write a similarly short shell 
script by hand:


root /var/sv #cat imapfilter@popescu/service/run.sh
#!/bin/sh -e
exec setuidgid popescu imapfilter -c 
/home/popescu/.imapfilter/config.lua

root /var/sv #

But I'm illustrating starting from a systemd unit here, and letting the 
import tool write the scripts.


For kicks, I decided to log the output of this service to a dedicated 
logging service.  I started with the cyclog@.service template that comes 
in the nosh source archive and instantiated it with the same systemd 
unit import tool as before:


root /var/sv #system-control convert-systemd-units 
./cyclog@imapfilter@popescu.service

root /var/sv #

This made me another service bundle.  Again, the interesting part for 
this discussion is the run script that the import tool made:


root /var/sv #cat cyclog@imapfilter@popescu/service/run
#!/bin/nosh
#Run file generated from ./cyclog@.service
#Standard format cyclog logging service for imapfilter@popescu
chdir /var/log/sv/
setuidgid imapfilter@popescu-log
cyclog imapfilter@popescu/
root /var/sv #

Setting up /var/log/sv/imapfilter@popescu and its dedicated logging user 
(or editing the run script to use, say, popescu as the logging user) 
is a simple exercise in making a directory and adding a user to the 
system's user database (and editing a script file), of course.  I could 
have made one big logging service for /var/log/sv/popescu instead:


root /var/sv #system-control convert-systemd-units 
./cyclog@popescu.service

root /var/sv #

This is because I can plumb main services to log services however I 
like, including many-to-one fan-in and 1:1 dedicated logging services.  
I chose the latter:


root /var/sv #ln -s ../cyclog@imapfilter@popescu imapfilter@popescu/log
root /var/sv #

The rest of the process goes beyond this discussion of how simple it is 
to write daemontools-family run scripts and is an exercise in enabling 
the two services and starting them:


root /var/sv #systemctl enable imapfilter@popescu.service 
cyclog@imapfilter@popescu.service
root /var/sv #systemctl start imapfilter@popescu.service 
cyclog@imapfilter@popescu.service

root /var/sv #

Were this machine running the daemontools compatibility old-style 
service scanner, enabling the two services and starting them would have 
been:


root /var/sv #ln -s /var/sv/imapfilter@popescu/ /var/service/
root /var/sv #

But this machine is running the nosh package's system manager, has the 
standard targets system in place, and is always starting things with 
system-control (a.k.a. systemctl).  It was the same machine as used at 
http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/Softwares/nosh-example.html 
in fact (which will come as a surprise to those who remember that we're 
starting from a systemd unit file here).



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2014-10-12 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard

Steve Litt:

### RUN THE DAEMON ###
exec envuidgid slitt envdir ./env setuidgid slitt \
/d/at/python/littcron/littcron.py \
/d/at/python/littcron/crontab

Joel Rees:

You can go a little further. man envuidgid, man envdir, and man
setuidgid for the remaining clues. The Debian daemontools package has manual pages, derived from the
original WWW pages.

* http://untroubled.org/daemontools-encore/envuidgid.8.html
* http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/envuidgid.html
* http://untroubled.org/daemontools-encore/envdir.8.html
* http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/envdir.html
* http://untroubled.org/daemontools-encore/setuidgid.8.html
* http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/setuidgid.html

Both s6 and nosh have manual pages for these commands in the package, too.

* http://skarnet.org/software/s6/s6-envuidgid.html
* http://skarnet.org/software/s6/s6-envdir.html
* http://skarnet.org/software/s6/s6-setuidgid.html

You'll notice that whilst experimenting, M. Litt has ended up with a script
that has an unnecessary command in it. (-:

* http://thedjbway.b0llix.net/daemontools/uidgid.html

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Re: implicit linkage (was: Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian)

On Du, 12 oct 14, 01:41:34, Reco wrote:
  Hi.
 
 On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 23:02:01 +0300
 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Sb, 11 oct 14, 23:20:34, Reco wrote:
   On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:47:36 +0300
   Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

At least with systemd if you fix a bug it will benefit all daemons 
using 
it.
   
   No, quite the contrary. By fixing such jack-of-all-trades
   libsystemd library you're risking to *break* some other daemons.
   But, pretending your point is valid, fixing /etc/init.d/skeleton grants
   the same benefits.
   
  Nope.
 
 The reason being? Code quality of systemd is not top-grade (to say
 lightly), and the project hardly reached its' maturity. It'll only get
 worse from here.
 And, I have to ask. Are you denying both of my statements, or the last
 one only?
 
The last one only. I have no opinion on the code quality of systemd as I 
know nothing of C.
 
This is the same reason we are using shared libraries and the Debian 
Security Team is doing it's best to track code copies.
   
   Consider /etc/init.d/skeleton a library then. It's sources to
   any /etc/init.d script anyway.
  
  No, it doesn't. 
 
 Again, simple 'no' is beautiful, but hardly contributes to the
 discussion.

$ grep skeleton /etc/init.d/*
/etc/init.d/dictd:# based on /etc/init.d/skeleton v1.7  05-May-1997  by 
miqu...@cistron.nl
/etc/init.d/README:# Provides:  skeleton
/etc/init.d/skeleton:# Provides:  skeleton

It seems like you misunderstood the purpose of /etc/init.d/skeleton. 
It's not a library, but something to use as a base to write your own 
script.

As of Jessie most of 'skeleton' has been turned into 'init-d-script' 
though.

True, but sysv-rc still can't deal with them correctly.
   
   It does not have to deal with the hardware, as it not its' job.
  
  It has to mount filesystems.
 
 No, it does not have to. In Debian, there's /etc/init.d/mountall.sh to
 do this job, in case initrd didn't care for it already. init(8) does
 not mount anything.

$ dpkg -S /etc/init.d/mountall.sh
initscripts: /etc/init.d/mountall.sh

I never said init(8) would mount anything, but sysv-rc. By sysv-rc I 
mean /etc/init.d/rc and all other scripts required to boot your system. 
Apparently most of these are split out in the initscripts package.

 And, to spice things up, [1]. Beautiful link telling everyone that it's
 not the init job to mount /usr as there's initrd for that.

But sysv-rc still has to take care your / and /usr is remounted 
according to your fstab and also for mounting everything else defined in 
/etc/fstab and how this interacts with the rest of the boot / daemons.
 
 Please enlighten me what exactly is systemd-specific here. Basically
 they tell yadda-yadda-yadda, fix your applications, and if you don't -
 we have this 90-second hack for you.
 
Systemd makes it possible for me to adjust mpd's .service file to 
*require* a specific mount. This is not possible with sysv-rc's own 
mechanisms, I'd have to script it myself.
 
 Brilliant question. Certainly you've meant systemd, right? Just joking.
 Joke aside - because it's convenient to mount a filesystem once you
 really need it, and (which is much more important) - unmount it once
 it's not needed anymore.
 
You mean a systemd automount? Thanks for the hint ;) 

Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Sb, 11 oct 14, 17:41:28, Steve Litt wrote:
 On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 22:28:31 +0300
 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
  Really? How do you write an initscript that restarts your daemon 
  automatically in case it fails for some reason?
  
  Also, imapfilter doesn't write a pidfile at all, so I'd need to make
  at least some modifications to the script.
 
 Does imapfilter run in the foreground, or does it have an option to run
 in the foreground?

In my configuration it runs in the foreground. It can be configured to 
detach from the terminal, but anything more complicated than that I'd 
have to script myself.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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x-terminal-emulator options not working

2014-10-12 Thread Patrick

I have tried several documented options to x-terminal-emulator, and I
find that they have absolutely no effect.  For example:

  x-terminal-emulator --geometry 80x72
  x-terminal-emulator --title=WHY
  x-terminal-emulator --working-directory=/home/patrick/project

I even tried a deliberately invalid option, and it didn't complain:

  x-terminal-emulator --invalid-option-right

I found one option that works though:

  x-terminal-emulator -e vi myfile

I would like to write a script that brings up two adjacent terminal
windows with specific sizes, but I cannot figure out how to do it
because x-terminal-emulator ignores many of the options which are
documented in its man page.

Does anyone have any idea why x-terminal-emulator is behaving so badly
for me, and how I can fix it?


-- Patrick


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[SOLVED] x-terminal-emulator options not working

2014-10-12 Thread Patrick Chkoreff

I wrote:

 I have tried several documented options to x-terminal-emulator, and I
 find that they have absolutely no effect.  For example:
 
   x-terminal-emulator --geometry 80x72
   x-terminal-emulator --title=WHY

OK, I solved the problem.  Here's how I figured it out:

patrick@laptop:~$ which x-terminal-emulator
/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator
patrick@laptop:~$ ll /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Mar  4  2014 /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator -
/etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator
patrick@laptop:~$ ll /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Mar  4  2014
/etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator - /usr/bin/gnome-terminal.wrapper
patrick@laptop:~$ ll /usr/bin/gnome-terminal.wrapper
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1394 Jul  2  2008 /usr/bin/gnome-terminal.wrapper


Then I looked at the /usr/bin/gnome-terminal.wrapper script and saw that
it was a Perl script that looked for options with a *single* dash, and
mapped them to the double-dash version, and passed those to the
gnome-terminal program.

For example, if you run:

x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x72

That ends up running:

gnome-terminal --geometry 80x72


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Network fails on headless system. I'm stuck!

2014-10-12 Thread JPT

Hi,

I have an ARM hardware (ReadyNAS rn104) running debian jessie (testing).
kernel is selfbuilt 3.16.3

Since a few days the system fails to boot. Serial console breaks at a
point where it is fiddling with disks and network.
Networking is not yet up. So I don't have any way to access the headless
system.

I suspect an update in the networking scripts or systemd.
Could you please add a warning if a basic system library gets replaced
by a version that requires additional kernel features? The last time I
ran into a problem is only a few months ago.

Where can I find a list of the recently updated packages in the jessie repo?

The problems started with network having problems.
After a little bit of trying, I got a kernel panic (see chrash.log)
This was on oct, 10th around 8 pm.
after that, the network did never ever come up again.
To make things worse, the serial console stops working during boot-up as
well.

an excerpt from the syslog during unsuccessful start-up. I marked a few
things I found interesting.

Oct 11 11:59:37 NAS kernel: [3.086492] libphy: Fixed MDIO Bus: probed
Oct 11 11:59:37 NAS kernel: [3.090847] tun: Universal TUN/TAP device
driver, 1.6
Oct 11 11:59:37 NAS kernel: [3.095908] tun: (C) 1999-2004 Max
Krasnyansky m...@qualcomm.com
Oct 11 11:59:37 NAS kernel: [3.102894] libphy: orion_mdio_bus: probed
Oct 11 11:59:37 NAS kernel: [3.151215] mvneta d007.ethernet
*eth0:* Using random mac address 4e:8f:db:a2:ed:cb
Oct 11 11:59:37 NAS kernel: [3.159900] mvneta d0074000.ethernet
*eth1:* Using random mac address 5e:fe:87:9a:fb:0f
Oct 11 11:59:37 NAS kernel: [3.168573] pegasus: v0.9.3 (2013/04/25),
Pegasus/Pegasus II USB Ethernet driver
...
Oct 11 11:59:37 NAS kernel: [   97.390160] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP):
eth0: link is not ready
Oct 11 11:59:37 NAS kernel: [  102.820073] mvneta d007.ethernet
eth0: link up
Oct 11 11:59:37 NAS kernel: [  102.824896] IPv6:
ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
...
Oct 11 11:59:43 NAS nmbd[2973]: [2014/10/11 11:59:43.387204,  0]
../source3/lib/interface.c:543(load_interfaces)
Oct 11 11:59:43 NAS nmbd[2973]:   *WARNING: no network interfaces found*
Oct 11 11:59:43 NAS nmbd[2973]: [2014/10/11 11:59:43.389441,  0]
../source3/nmbd/nmbd_subnetdb.c:250(create_subnets)
Oct 11 11:59:43 NAS nmbd[2973]:   create_subnets: No local IPv4
non-loopback interfaces !
Oct 11 11:59:43 NAS nmbd[2973]: [2014/10/11 11:59:43.389697,  0]
../source3/nmbd/nmbd_subnetdb.c:251(create_subnets)
Oct 11 11:59:43 NAS nmbd[2973]:   create_subnets: Waiting for an
interface to appear ...
...
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Job
dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-NAS\x2dBOOT.device/start timed out.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device
dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-NAS\x2dBOOT.device.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Dependency failed for File System Check
on /dev/disk/by-label/NAS-BOOT.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Job
dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-S3T\x2dDATEN.device/start timed out.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device
dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-S3T\x2dDATEN.device.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Dependency failed for File System Check
on /dev/disk/by-label/S3T-DATEN.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Job
dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-S3T\x2dMEDIEN.device/start timed out.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device
dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-S3T\x2dMEDIEN.device.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Dependency failed for /media/MEDIEN.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Dependency failed for File System Check
on /dev/disk/by-label/S3T-MEDIEN.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Job
dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-NAS\x2dSWAP.device/start timed out.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device
dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-NAS\x2dSWAP.device.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device
dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-S3T\x2dSWAP.device.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Job dev-ttyS0.device/start timed out.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device
dev-ttyS0.device.
Oct 11 12:01:05 NAS systemd[1]: Dependency failed for *Serial Getty on
ttyS0.*


the last message I got on the serial terminal was:
ng device sys-subsystem-net-devices-eth0.device...
[   ***] (5 of 7) A start job is running for dev-disk-by\x2dl...14s / 1
which wasn't readable because of a lot of CR without LF. the syslog
above tells more about it.
After this the serial console stops working.


attached
crash.log - the kernel panic that occured while I had network problems
history.log - /var/log/apt/history.log - I cannot find anything network
related in there.


any idea what the problem is, and how to solve?

thanks for any help,

Jan


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jan@NAS:~$ sudo ifup eth0
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.3.1
Copyright 2004-2014 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/

[362040.341777] ip: page allocation failure: order:5, mode:0xd0
[362040.362290] mvneta

react on power button press

2014-10-12 Thread JPT

Hi,

I just wrote to the list because of a problem with the network.
The only way left to shutdown the system is pressing the power button.

But this doesn't work either:

Oct 11 13:24:24 NAS kernel: [ 5309.790075] evbug: Event. Dev: input0,
Type: 1, Code: 116, Value: 1
Oct 11 13:24:24 NAS kernel: [ 5309.790090] evbug: Event. Dev: input0,
Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0
Oct 11 13:24:24 NAS kernel: [ 5310.060077] evbug: Event. Dev: input0,
Type: 1, Code: 116, Value: 0
Oct 11 13:24:24 NAS kernel: [ 5310.060091] evbug: Event. Dev: input0,
Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0

Currently I am using https://github.com/gandro/input-event-daemon
to react on these buttons. This usually works. But I believe it does not
work if nobody is logged in. (which is difficult to achieve with a
headless system where network and serial console fail)

Do you habe any idea how to solve this?

thanks,

Jan


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Re: x-terminal-emulator options not working

On Du, 12 oct 14, 08:15:08, Patrick wrote:
 
 Does anyone have any idea why x-terminal-emulator is behaving so badly
 for me, and how I can fix it?

We'd need to know which terminal emulator is providing it, so please 
post the output of

update-altenatives --display x-terminal-emulator

Kind regards,
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Re: Network fails on headless system. I'm stuck!

On Du, 12 oct 14, 14:42:52, JPT wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have an ARM hardware (ReadyNAS rn104) running debian jessie (testing).
 kernel is selfbuilt 3.16.3
... 
 I suspect an update in the networking scripts or systemd.

See if your kernel includes all the needed options for systemd

/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.gz

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Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

On Sb, 11 oct 14, 21:40:49, Steve Litt wrote:
 
 From my viewpoint, shellscripts were never intended to be big, huge
 programs. To me, they just glue together commands, and have a few
 rudimentary branching and looping constructs.

Isn't that like buying IKEA furniture, but when you get home you realise 
all those little plastic bags with screws and mounting pieces are 
missing? I will say this:

Any program that requires additional scripting just to get it 
running is insufficiently advanced.

(you can quote me on that)

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Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

On Saturday 11 October 2014 21:27:56 Peter Zoeller wrote:
 Hi:
 I might be able to help here as well.  I have some teaching notes
 somewhere when I taught system security at my college.


Thanks!!

Lisi

 Peter

 On 09/10/14 05:03 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
  On Thursday 09 October 2014 21:59:12 Charlie wrote:
  On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:54:48 +0200 lee sent:
  I still have a very good tutorial that uses iptables and helps you to
  learn how to build a firewall.  I've archived it for reference in
  2003. I could send it to you by email if you like (760kB).
 
  I would be very interested in this as well Lee.
 
  May I add myself to the list?
 
  Thank you.
  Lisi


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Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

On Saturday 11 October 2014 22:59:23 Reco wrote:
  Dear list contributors,

 On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:27:56 -0400

 Peter Zoeller peter_zoel...@rogers.com wrote:
  Hi:
  I might be able to help here as well.  I have some teaching notes
  somewhere when I taught system security at my college.
 
  Peter
 
  On 09/10/14 05:03 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
   On Thursday 09 October 2014 21:59:12 Charlie wrote:
   On Thu, 09 Oct 2014 02:54:48 +0200 lee sent:
   I still have a very good tutorial that uses iptables and helps you to
   learn how to build a firewall.  I've archived it for reference in
   2003. I could send it to you by email if you like (760kB).
  
   I would be very interested in this as well Lee.
  
   May I add myself to the list?

 While I'm not Peter, there's classic treatise on the matter in
 comparison to which everything else does not seem to be worthy of your
 attention.

 THE 'Iptables Tutorial':

 http://rlworkman.net/howtos/iptables/iptables-tutorial.html

 Unless it's not there - you don't need it.

Quite.  It is ALL there.  I keep hoping that something will be the basics for 
beginners (which is where we started on this thread).  Teaching notes for 
college sounded great. 

Lisi


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Bug in gqrx-sdr on Cubietruck (armhf) platform?

2014-10-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater

All,

Am trying to get gqrx-sdr and hackrf to run on a Cubieboard (armhf).

I seem to have run into bugs with pulseaudio similar to 732043 - gqrx crashing 
with pulseaudio errors.

Attempting to reconfigure reliably crashes gqrx.

Is anybody else seeing similar on armhf ? [What seems to be an identical setup 
on AMD64 works with no problem.

Using KDE environment, pulseaudio installed on Wheezy., gnuradio 3.7.5.

All the best,

Andy, G0EVX - also amaca...@debian.org



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Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread The Wanderer

On 10/12/2014 at 10:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

 On Sb, 11 oct 14, 21:40:49, Steve Litt wrote:
 
 From my viewpoint, shellscripts were never intended to be big,
 huge programs. To me, they just glue together commands, and have a
 few rudimentary branching and looping constructs.
 
 Isn't that like buying IKEA furniture, but when you get home you
 realise all those little plastic bags with screws and mounting pieces
 are missing? I will say this:

Except that

A: different glue (screws and mounting pieces) may be required for
different environments where you would use the furniture;

B: there's no practical way to predict all possible environments where
someone might want to use it, or to provide the necessary glue for all
of those unpredicted environments;

C: there's a lot more room for individual flexibility in shell scripts,
et cetera, than there is in furniture assembly hardware; and

D: in many / most cases, the glue is already provided for you (either
by upstream or by some middleman) by the time the furniture reaches
you to begin with.


In addition, I understood the comment you're responding to as being
about shell scripts as an overall idea, rather than about their usage in
any particular context. It's entirely possible for the needed scripts to
have been written by upstream, just as it would be possible for logic in
other languages to have been written by upstream.

All that comment seems to say is that shell scripts are specifically
intended as the glue to let you stick together existing components *in
whatever way you happen to want*, as opposed to being intended as a
building block for contructing such components. If you don't need to
stick the components together because they're fine on their own (e.g.,
grep is useful without any shell constructs), that's OK; if you want to
stick the components together using something else, that's fine too; but
if you want to stick them together, shell scripts are one tool you have
with which to do so.

 Any program that requires additional scripting just to get it running
 is insufficiently advanced.
 
 (you can quote me on that)

Part of the tradeoff for power is responsibility - both in the
responsibility to use the power wisely, and in the responsibility to do
things yourself rather than have others do them for you.

If you don't want the responsibility of writing shell scripts (or other
scripting), you will have to accept not having the power to do some of
the things you could do with such scripts.

If you don't want that power either, that's fine for you - but others
may not feel the same way.

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Re: implicit linkage

Reco recovery...@gmail.com writes:

 http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/core/dbus-manager.c?id=3731acf1acfb4a6eb68374a5b137f3b368f63381#n638

Ah, this is a wonderful example :)  My assumptions about the code were right.

Does all/most of systemd look like that?


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Re: implicit linkage

Reco recovery...@gmail.com writes:

 3) User Alice goes away, but keeps her session in place, locking the
 screen.

 4) User Bob logs in another X session.

How does Bob log in while the screen is locked?


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Re: Moderated posts?

Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes:

 A) Tell everyone it's a moderated list
 B) Send the poster a short reason why his post has been moderated.

It would be against RFC-821 to silently drop messages.


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Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output

Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes:

 Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output?

Reading RFC-821 would tell you more.

 Did the Authentication work or fail?

 [NOTE: Just for the information, my lan is a fake one 2xd.{local.lan} was 
 just invented right
 out of thin air some yrs ago]
 ---   ---   ---=---   ---   --- 

 $ mailx -v -s TEST $(dtf) $(hostname -f) rea...@newsguy.com  txtmsg.txt

 LOG: MAIN
   = ha...@2xd.local.lan U=harry P=local S=569
 $ delivering 1Xauru-0003TT-Fh
 R: smarthost for rea...@newsguy.com
 T: remote_smtp_smarthost for rea...@newsguy.com
 Transport port=25 replaced by host-specific port=587
 Connecting to mail.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.52]:587 ... connected
   SMTP 220 mail.messagingengine.com ESMTP ready
   SMTP EHLO 2xd

That's an invalid helo string.

   SMTP 250-mail.messagingengine.com
  250-PIPELINING
  250-SIZE 7100
  250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
  250-8BITMIME
  250 STARTTLS
   SMTP STARTTLS
   SMTP 220 2.0.0 Start TLS
   SMTP EHLO 2xd

That's an invalid helo string.

   SMTP 250-mail.messagingengine.com
  250-PIPELINING
  250-SIZE 7100
  250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
  250-8BITMIME
  250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
  250 AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN
   SMTP AUTH PLAIN 
   SMTP 235 2.0.0 OK
   SMTP MAIL FROM:ha...@2xd.local.lan SIZE=1609 AUTH=ha...@2xd.local.lan
   SMTP RCPT TO:rea...@newsguy.com
   SMTP DATA
   SMTP 250 2.1.0 Ok
   SMTP 250 2.1.5 Ok
   SMTP 354 End data with CRLF.CRLF
   SMTP writing message and terminating .
   SMTP 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as E25066800A8
   SMTP QUIT
 LOG: MAIN
   = rea...@newsguy.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost 
 H=mail.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.52] 
 X=TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256 
 DN=C=AU,ST=Victoria,L=Melbourne,O=FastMail Pty Ltd,CN=*.messagingengine.com 
 A=plain C=250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as E25066800A8
 LOG: MAIN
   Completed

It worked because the MTA on mail.messagingengine.com is misconfigured
in that it accepts invalid helo strings.

You want to make sure that TLS is actually required before sending the
password.  Otherwise you may end up sending the password over an open
connection.


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Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:

 On 10/8/2014 8:17 PM, lee wrote:
 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:
 
 On 10/6/2014 7:10 PM, lee wrote:
 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:

dc_relay_nets
   A list of machines for which we serve as smarthost.

 That looks ideal, doesn't it?



 Right.  But he's not running multiple MTAs - he only has the one, as he
 already indicated.

 Does it make a difference for this setting whether the MTA is smarthost
 for other MTAs or for MUAs?

 (I'm not using the automatic config other than to create a
 non-configured exim which does nothing but use another host as
 smarthost to deliver locally generated messages, so I don't know.)



 Yes, it does.  By definition, a smarthost talks to for other MTAs.  MUAs
 are not MTAs.
 
 Ok, and what difference does this actually make?
 
 

 If you don't know the difference between an MTA and an MUA, there is no
 way I can help you.

I'm not asking what the difference is but what difference it makes when
this setting is involved.  Can you provide an actual exim config,
i. e. not the automatic stuff, which shows the difference this setting
makes?


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Re: alternative file systems

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br writes:

 On 10/10/2014 10:20 PM, lee wrote:
 The license of ZFS makes it impossible to be part of
 the kernel per se. The DKMS system is well known for supporting kernel
 modules for video and wireless hardware among others.
 So there isn't really any way to tell whether it works or not?  Which
 kernel version is ZFS based on/for?

 Btrfs wouldn't let me do RAID-5 --- perhaps 3.2 kernels are too old for
 that?

 They need to get these license issues fixed ...

 There's a userland ZFS package (via Fuse) available in debian in the
 zfs-fuse package. It should be pretty much independent of kernel versions.

Yes, and I've been reading it's deprecated do to zfs with fuse.  Perhaps
it's great to try out ZFS, and you still won't really find out if it
would work or not.

And I'd want to be able to boot from ZFS, which is even difficult with
btrfs.  In any case, there is a very noticeable performance loss with
software RAID.  I wonder why they don't make ZFS controllers just like
RAID controllers ...


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Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:

 On 10/8/2014 8:42 PM, lee wrote:
 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:
 
 On 10/6/2014 7:30 PM, lee wrote:
 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:

 For instance, MUAs typically connect on port 587 (at least that is the
 recommendation), while MTAs always use port 25. Additionally, MUAs
 should always be validated with signon/password, to prevent the server
 from becoming an open relay.

 1:  You would have to require auth on port 25 just in case a MUA
 connects on that port.  Since you could reasonably do this
 exclusively for connections from authorised clients (i. e. clients
 on your LAN), it doesn't seem very useful (unless you need to be
 afraid of misbehaving clients on your own LAN).


 No, you don't.  There is nothing in the RFC's which require port 25 to
 be open to MUA's.  OTOH, there is an RFC 2476 reserves port 587
 specifically for such submission.
 
 How do you distinguish a MUA from an MTA at that point?


 MUAs are supposed to use Port 587, as indicated by RFC 2476.  MTAs use
 Port 25.

That doesn't answer my question.  How do you distinguish a MUA from an
MTA at that point?

 Are you sure the authentication your MTA requires is secure?
 

 Yes.

How can you be sure?  Did you check the source code of all software
that's involved and then compile it?

 If you don't have authentication on your MTA, anyone who gets into your
 network can send whatever emails they want.

They could do that anyway because when they break in, they could either
change the configuration of the MTA or run an MTA on their computer
which is connected to my network to send emails.  I haven't bothered to
prevent the latter, and the first is possible unless I pull the plug.

Do you have a good suggestion how to prevent the sending of emails from
my network other than through my MTA?  That would include blocking all
webmail clients and all relay hosts someone could have set up somewhere
to use arbitrary ports to send out messages through.

If you're that paranoid, you have no choice but to disconnect from the
internet.  But perhaps you can convince me otherwise by showing us how
you prevent the sending of emails from a LAN other than through the
designated MTA without removing all internet connectivity for everything
else but the MTA.

 And large companies and governments spend millions of dollars a year to
 secure their systems.  They are constantly monitoring their logs and
 running tests, looking for holes.  They use commercial gear which is
 quite expensive.  They have sysadmins with years of experience in both
 administration and security.  Yet they still manage to get hacked.
 
 Their networks tend to be a bit more endangered than a small LAN at
 home is.
 

 A false assumption.  Anyone connected to the internet can be endangered.

You didn't understand what I was saying.  That everyone is endangered
doesn't mean that everyone is endangered to the same extent.  My LAN
doesn't involve 500 or so offices with hundreds or thousands of users
who could attempt to somehow send email via my LAN.

 Are you saying you and your equipment are better than them?
 
 You only need to be good enough.
 

 Which requires a certain level of security - including authentication to
 ANY resource on the network.

That a certain level of security is required doesn't mean that you must
require authentication to all resources.  Do you have switches or
something that require(s) authentication when someone plugs in a network
cable?  Do you have your computers locked in in a big vault to prevent
intruders physical access to them?

 I know a lot about security (it comes with living in the paranoid
 security capital of the world).  I've spent a lot of time securing my
 network with multiple levels of security.  But I'm not naive enough to
 believe my network can't be hacked.
 
 That's one of the problems with security.  It takes a lot of time to
 learn, a lot of time to implement and then a lot of time to use because
 you need to enter another password all the time.  And you don't even
 believe it's worthwhile yourself.
 

 Yup, and it only takes a little time for a hacker or spammer to break an
 insecure system.

 But how do you say I don't believer it's worthwhile?  Where have I EVER
 said anything of the sort?  I KNOW security - and what it entails.

You assume it's possible to break in, no matter what you do.  When it's
possible anyway, then why go to all the lengths?

 3:  How do you deal with messages not generated by MUAs when you have
 blocked your MTA against the LAN through requiring auth?



 I don't require authorization on port 25.  But I also don't allow it.
 All authorized users must go through port 587.  Unauthorized users can
 only go through port 25, and have restricted rights.
 
 So your systems aren't functioning because messages not generated by
 MUAs cannot be delivered?
 
 

 All of my messages generated by MUAs are delivered just fine.

I was

Re: Moderated posts?

Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:

 On Mon, 06 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
 Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list,
 as defined by both my inbox and the list archive.

 Threads which are off topic for debian-user may be filtered out by
 listmas...@lists.debian.org, regardless of the viewpoint which is
 expressed in them.

And when they are filtered, does the sender get a message telling him
that their message hasn't been delivered?


Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons
might swallow us.  Finally, this fear has become reasonable.


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Re: alternative file systems

Reco recovery...@gmail.com writes:

  Hi.

 On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 03:20:50 +0200
 lee l...@yagibdah.de wrote:

  The license of ZFS makes it impossible to be part of
  the kernel per se. The DKMS system is well known for supporting kernel
  modules for video and wireless hardware among others.
 
 So there isn't really any way to tell whether it works or not?

 ZFS is out-of-tree kernel module. It *will* break sooner or later. Every
 out-of-tree module does.

Hm.  I've seen it happening, and since then, I do not at all like the
idea of using hardware that isn't supported by something in the kernel.
When it happens, it might even be worse with file systems than it is
with hardware.

  Which
 kernel version is ZFS based on/for?

 [1] tells us that ZFS on Linux verion 0.6.3 supports kernels 2.6.26 -
 3.16.

Cool, apparently they even test it with Debian kernels :)

 Btrfs wouldn't let me do RAID-5 --- perhaps 3.2 kernels are too old for
 that?

 A correct guess. A recommended minimum is kernel 3.14 - [2].

So this is a rather new feature.  How reliable and how well does it
work?

 But, ZFS won't allow you to make a conventional RAID5 either :)

I know --- and I don't require RAID-5.  What I require is what RAID-5
provides, i. e. redundancy without wasting as many disks as other RAID
levels.  I also like the better performance of hardware RAID compared to
software RAID.  IIRC, ZFS would provide efficient redundancy and be
safer than a RAID controller because of it's checksumming.  I'd have to
try it out to see what kind of performance degradation or gain it would
bring about.

 They need to get these license issues fixed ...

 Back in the old days CDDL was chosen by Sun especially so that
 this license issue would *never* be fixed.
 Currently Oracle could re-license ZFS to anything they want, including
 GPL-compatible license, but why would *they* do it?

Why don't they?


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Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

Don Armstrong d...@debian.org writes:

 On Sat, 11 Oct 2014, lee wrote:
 Well, who can afford that? Someone who can doesn't need to swap
 drives.

 I've upgraded the drive capacity in machines on multiple occasions
 because drives have gotten cheaper... but we don't have enough funding
 to afford replacing the computers at the same time.

Adding some disks is different from swapping them out.  And why would
the computers be replaced to add some disks?

 How do I merge VGs that have different extent sizes?

 Change the extent size using vgchange, and then vgmerge them.

Ah, ok.  LVM is somewhat more flexible than I thought :)

 The snapshots are to back up guests in vg_guests.  They must go into the
 free space available in vg_mydata.  Other than that, there's a 16GB swap
 partition (/dev/sda2) currently used by one of the guests.
 
 Both sda and sdb are logical RAID volumes.  Dom0 is on /dev/sda1.
 
 As you can see, it's a very straightforward and logical set up, except
 for the swap partition which is way too large for dom0 and thus has been
 re-assigned to a guest that actually requires it.  The only problem is
 LVM which doesn't let me make snapshots.

 OK. This sounds like you can just disable the swap on /dev/sda2
 (swapoff), pvcreate /dev/sda2; vgextend /dev/mapper/vg_guests /dev/sda2;

 Do your snapshots, and whatever else you need, then you can vgreduce
 /dev/mapper/vg_guests /dev/sda2; and reset your swap if you need to.

 Alternatively, you can make the physical extents the same (probably
 using vgchange on vg_mydata to make the size 16M), inactivate all of the
 volumes of vg_guests, vgmerge it, and then make snapshots.

Adding the swap partition to vg_guests seems to be the best way.  It's
probably an advantage because when I add it, I can create another LV,
like 8GB, and use that as swap partition for the guest which is using
the partition now.  That would leave me 8GB for snapshots, which should
be enough, and when I don't need snapshots, I can use it to create VMs
for testing purposes, like trying out Funtoo.  I wouldn't need to mix
the data disks with the system disks and would get like 110% usage from
100% resources :)

  Volume groups don't reside on partitions or devices. They encompass
  physical volumes which do.
 
 Physical volumes do not reside on partitions or devices. They provide
 them.

 This is incorrect. A physical volume (LVM) sits on top of a block
 device, which is usually a partition (or an entire disk).

I meant to say that partitions and devices provide physical volumes.
LVM VGs reside on those, potentially on multiple physical volumes.

I'm somewhat unaware that I refuse to think of logical volumes as
something that stores data.  It's simply not true because the data is
always on the physical device.  No matter how you design the chapters of
your novel, when you remove the pages from the book, you cannot read the
story.


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Re: implicit linkage

Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes:

 pingaddr=8.8.8.8
 pingaddr=192.168.100.96

Why is this is defined multiple times?


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Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-12 Thread Jerry Stuckle

On 10/12/2014 9:56 AM, lee wrote:
 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:
 
 On 10/8/2014 8:17 PM, lee wrote:
 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:

 On 10/6/2014 7:10 PM, lee wrote:
 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net writes:

dc_relay_nets
   A list of machines for which we serve as smarthost.

 That looks ideal, doesn't it?



 Right.  But he's not running multiple MTAs - he only has the one, as he
 already indicated.

 Does it make a difference for this setting whether the MTA is smarthost
 for other MTAs or for MUAs?

 (I'm not using the automatic config other than to create a
 non-configured exim which does nothing but use another host as
 smarthost to deliver locally generated messages, so I don't know.)



 Yes, it does.  By definition, a smarthost talks to for other MTAs.  MUAs
 are not MTAs.

 Ok, and what difference does this actually make?



 If you don't know the difference between an MTA and an MUA, there is no
 way I can help you.
 
 I'm not asking what the difference is but what difference it makes when
 this setting is involved.  Can you provide an actual exim config,
 i. e. not the automatic stuff, which shows the difference this setting
 makes?
 
 

Then I suggest you study up on Exim configuration.  I'm tired of trying
to teach a pig to sing.  It's just a waste of my time.  The manual is
there - read it.

Jerry


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Re: [exim4] Testing and making sense of smtp output


On 12/10/14 14:52, lee wrote:

Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes:


Can any of you experienced exim4 hands interpret this output?


Reading RFC-821 would tell you more.


Reading RFC 2821 would be even better, since RFC 821 is obsoleted by RFC 
2821.



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Re: Moderated posts?


On 12/10/14 15:53, lee wrote:

And when they are filtered, does the sender get a message telling him
that their message hasn't been delivered?


The requirement in RFC 2821 (the successor to RFC 821 which you've 
recently been referring to) section 4.2.5 that a server which issues a 
2yz completion status after final dot must return appropriate 
notification to the sender cannot be fulfilled is an unreasonable demand 
in the modern era.


If you wait for all filtering to complete before issuing a response to 
final dot, your mail server is vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks 
unless you undercook your filtering; if you issue a 2yz status before 
filtering is complete, then send the notifications demanded by RFC 2821 
if the deferred filtering results in a rejection, your mail server is 
now a public nuisance because of the amount of backscatter it generates.




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Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan

On 13/10/2014 2:34 AM, Martin Read wrote:
 On 12/10/14 15:53, lee wrote:
 And when they are filtered, does the sender get a message telling him
 that their message hasn't been delivered?
 
 The requirement in RFC 2821 (the successor to RFC 821 which you've
 recently been referring to) section 4.2.5 that a server which issues a
 2yz completion status after final dot must return appropriate
 notification to the sender cannot be fulfilled is an unreasonable demand
 in the modern era.
 
 If you wait for all filtering to complete before issuing a response to
 final dot, your mail server is vulnerable to denial-of-service attacks
 unless you undercook your filtering; if you issue a 2yz status before
 filtering is complete, then send the notifications demanded by RFC 2821
 if the deferred filtering results in a rejection, your mail server is
 now a public nuisance because of the amount of backscatter it generates.

Yes, but I think the mail is properly delivered and not filtered by the
receiving mail list server; it is later checked over by some process of
the list-master [automatic, scripted, manual or a combination thereof]
-- yes, we now have a list-master that we never had before.  It should
be the responsibility of the list-master to provide return emails to
person(s) effected.  I've also put it to that person (assuming the one
whom email me is the list-master), that we need a list where we can talk
more freely about our concerns -- this list seems to have been over
reaching on it's goals since ... forever, now the powers that be have
decided to clamp down hard, hence the filtered/moderated posts that we
all know about and which cannot be denied as it has been fully proven.

I could be speaking too soon, but either the list has died down a little
on systemd as a result of people having enough of trying to bang their
head against a brick wall -- or the filtering has ramped up a level now.

There is an amazing level of resistance to care what us users and
sysadmins think of the changes dictated by the vote of the Tech CTTE and
such consequences.  One can only hope the message is finally getting
through to at least enough DDs to result in an appropriate GR that leads
to a genuine and fair vote to put this matter to bed.  At least then,
we'll know if we need to jump ship to perhaps kFreeBSD, FreeBSD or some
other Linux that refuses to be roped in to the systemd nightmare that we
are seeing strong evidence of here.  Myself, I would be looking at
kFreeBSD as the next best alternative and if that suffers over this,
then a full migration away from Debian to a direct use of FreeBSD.

A.


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Re: segfaults and error 4 in ld-2.13.so with soffice.bin and kate

2014-10-12 Thread Gary Roach


On 10/11/2014 06:28 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2014, Gary Roach wrote:

After cloning my bad drive to a new one and installing the new drive
(see previous messages titled excessive CPU usage) i am left with the
following problem:

Kate and libreoffice.writer refuse to open and give the errors

I would reinstall libreoffice, kate, and all of their dependencies
before going too far into this.

It's quite possibly that your bad drive had a bad sector or similar in
one or more of these programs... especially since you didn't experience
these segfaults before, and no one else has either.
  
Something like:


aptitude reinstall '?reverse-Depends(libreoffice)~i';
aptitude reinstall '?reverse-Depends(kate)~i';

will do that for you.

If they still occur, enable coredumps, and get a backtrace of the
coredump using gdb or similar. [You'll also want to install all of the
-dbg packages you can for the libraries referenced in the backtrace.]

Thanks for your help. As suggested, I first ran debsum on kate and 
libreoffice. All check sums were OK. I then ran the reverse-Depends as 
suggested above on kate and cleared the problem. Kate now works fine. 
The reverse-Depends run on Libreoffice returned - E: Couldn't configure 
pre-depend dpkg:amd64 for libreoffice-common:amd64, probably a 
dependency cycle.



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Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-12 Thread Joe

On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 15:20:27 +0100
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:


 
 Quite.  It is ALL there.  I keep hoping that something will be the
 basics for beginners (which is where we started on this thread).
 Teaching notes for college sounded great. 
 
You basically have two options, to use a firewall tool, or to hack a
script yourself. The existing tools, last time I looked, aren't really
that versatile, they are intended to make simple firewalls using a GUI.
That's reasonable, because once you want something a bit unusual, any
tool is likely to be no easier to use than the iptables commands
themselves. I've (long ago) driven the 'sophisticated' Windows ISA
firewall, and honestly, I'd rather have produced a list of iptables
rules, when at least I'd have known for sure what was going on, and in
what order.

Did you try the horse's mouth, the creator of netfilter/iptables? These
documents are fairly old, a few commands have changed, Debian now has a
bit of infrastructure to help with maintaining the firewall, but this
may help a bit. New concepts can be easier to deal with if you can try
two or three different views, and the bits you understand in one view
can shed light on obscure bits in another.

http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/packet-filtering-HOWTO.html
http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO-1.html

Chapter 5 of the first document, all dozen or so lines of it, shows how
simple an anything-out-nothing-in-except-replies firewall can be. Mr
Russell has oversimplified a bit, you would generally need to make
provision for packets from one localhost (lo) port to another, but
that's only another line. There are plenty of other example scripts
around, some with out-of-date commands, but that doesn't change the
principles. You can learn much more quickly from an actual working
script than by reading a dry list of options to the iptables command. A
diagram, such as the one on this page, helps a lot:

http://www.sibbald.com/unixutil/iptables-firewall.html

The 'local process', by the way, represents the computer itself, and
makes clear that the FORWARD chain applies only to packets that will
never enter or leave the computer's own applications and will only be
passed on from one network interface to another. The 'Network' at the
top and bottom of the diagram means *all* physical and virtual
interfaces.

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Re: find out why a package was installed

On Friday 10 October 2014 14:31:26 Marius Gavrilescu wrote:
 Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes:
  Is there an apt command that will tell me why package X was installed?
  For instance, was it manually installed, or installed as a
  dependency/recommends of package Y?

 aptitude why package

I like to look (again) at commands atht come up in thsi way.  So I ran a 
specimen.  I loved teh conversation that ensued and its ending:

 lisi@Tux-II:~$ aptitude why cups
i   printer-driver-splix Depends cups (= 1.5.0-3~)
lisi@Tux-II:~$ aptitude why printer-driver-splix
i   splix Depends printer-driver-splix
lisi@Tux-II:~$ aptitude why splix
Unable to find a reason to install splix.
lisi@Tux-II:~$
;-))

The reason, of course, is that I told it to do so.

Lisi


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Re: segfaults and error 4 in ld-2.13.so with soffice.bin and kate

2014-10-12 Thread Gary Roach


On 10/11/2014 06:28 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2014, Gary Roach wrote:

After cloning my bad drive to a new one and installing the new drive
(see previous messages titled excessive CPU usage) i am left with the
following problem:

Kate and libreoffice.writer refuse to open and give the errors

I would reinstall libreoffice, kate, and all of their dependencies
before going too far into this.

It's quite possibly that your bad drive had a bad sector or similar in
one or more of these programs... especially since you didn't experience
these segfaults before, and no one else has either.

Something like:

aptitude reinstall '?reverse-Depends(libreoffice)~i';
aptitude reinstall '?reverse-Depends(kate)~i';

will do that for you.

If they still occur, enable coredumps, and get a backtrace of the
coredump using gdb or similar. [You'll also want to install all of the
-dbg packages you can for the libraries referenced in the backtrace.]

Thanks for your help. As suggested, I first ran debsum on kate and 
libreoffice. All check sums were OK. I then ran the reverse-Depends as 
suggested above on kate. This cleared the problem. Kate now works fine. 
The reverse-Depends run on Libreoffice returned - E: Couldn't configure 
pre-depend dpkg:amd64 for libreoffice-common:amd64, probably a 
dependency cycle.


{{{Sorry about the prior message being cut short. I hit the wrong button.}}}

In conclusion, I tried re-running the reverse-Depends on 
libreoffice-common:amd64 but got the usual - 0 packages upgraded, 0 
newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded - message when there is 
nothing to do. Libreoffice still doesn't work. Same error of soffice.bin 
segfault error4 ld-2.13.so


Gary R


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Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread Joe

On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 02:50:18 +1100
Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:

 
 Yes, but I think the mail is properly delivered and not filtered by
 the receiving mail list server; it is later checked over by some
 process of the list-master [automatic, scripted, manual or a
 combination thereof] -- yes, we now have a list-master that we never
 had before.

Some years ago, when I had just subscribed to this list, I had several
posts delayed and some dropped, without obvious reason. After a couple
of weeks, posts were all appearing, and within minutes.

  It should be the responsibility of the list-master to
 provide return emails to person(s) effected.  I've also put it to
 that person (assuming the one whom email me is the list-master), that
 we need a list where we can talk more freely about our concerns --
 this list seems to have been over reaching on it's goals since ...
 forever, now the powers that be have decided to clamp down hard,
 hence the filtered/moderated posts that we all know about and which
 cannot be denied as it has been fully proven.
 
 I could be speaking too soon, but either the list has died down a
 little on systemd as a result of people having enough of trying to
 bang their head against a brick wall -- or the filtering has ramped
 up a level now.
 

A post of mine of about seven hours ago has failed to appear, and it
contained nothing contentious, and certainly nothing that could in any
way have been construed as abusive or insulting. I was indeed agreeing,
on at least two points, with one of the 'good guys'. Presumably, I used
too many forbidden keywords.

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Re: Installer does not detect ethernet card

On Saturday 11 October 2014 11:43:05 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 On Sb, 11 oct 14, 00:28:24, helpseekingtour...@gmx.net wrote:
 Hi
 Tried to re-install Debian 7.6 wheezy from USB-Stick on a Lenovo
 ThinkPad T420. At the step 'Detect network hardware' pops up the
 message 'No Ethernet card was detected. If you know the name of the
 driver needed by your Ethernet card, you can select it from the list'.
 This does not work either.
 The notebook has an Intel 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) Digital Office
 ethernet adapter. The selection of the 'e1000'-driver shows up the
 Detect network hardware installer page again. Cable to active, working
 DHCP router is inserted. Country selections work fine and beforehand,
 the installer seems able to mount the existing harddisks.

 It seems the installer's kernel doesn't recognize your Ethernet card.

 Since Debian already is installed I am confused by that message, what
 do I miss?

 What version (more precisely, which kernel)? You could try either a
 newer installer (i.e. Jessie, you can still install stable in expert
 mode) or a stable installer with a backported kernel if those still
 exist (search the web for 'kmuto image').

I don't think the Muto ones do, but there is:

https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/
And scan down to:  (in yellow box)
netinst (generally 240-290 MB) non-free CD images with firmware
amd64 i386 powerpc

Lisi


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piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org writes:

 The tech-ctte exploration was extremely thorough, entirely transparent and I
 cannot think of any example of a more transparent decision making process in
 any other Linux community.  Not only that, but the entire decision could be
 overridden by a GR, which *any* developer could raise, at any time (and still
 can). And the eventual outcome wasn't there will be one init system, which
 would be *considerably* easier for the project to manage, but that we support
 *multiple* init systems! A tremendously more complex task. Red Hat aren't 
 doing
 that. Fedora aren't doing that. Ubuntu aren't doing that.

Why doesn't Debian just do a GR on this issue?

It would be interesting to see what the devs/maintainers would vote for,
and it might give everyone quite a bit a of re-assurance and
piece-of-mind.

Perhaps just having a GR would ignore the established way of initiating
one and having it would create a case of precedence.  I don't see how
that would be a problem, even less so since switching to a different
init system is, AFAIK, unprecedented in Debian.

Perhaps this is an issue for which to decide about the established ways
are not sufficient.

Considering that the users are Debians' priority, couldn't this issue be
a case in which significant concerns from/of the users about an issue
might initiate a GR?  Wouldn't it speak loudly for Debian and its ways
and for what it stands for, or used to stand for, if it was established
procedure that issues arising significant concerns amongst the users can
lead to a GR?

I'm sure we could find quite a few supporters for having a GR amongst
the users (here).  And after all, we're all kinda stuck in the same
boat.  A GR might have the potential to make the gap between users and
devs/maintainers a lot smaller.  Otherwise, this gap will only continue
to become wider and wider.


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Re: Moderated posts?


When something is antiquated or junk, becomes a troubleshooting problem
or leaves room for mockery, or sucks, then there is no reason not to say
it.  Straining to bend everything into a stream of euphemisms is
counterproductive, and nobody can know what is being talked about
because it's buried under all the dishonesty.


Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes:

 2) Keep your responses technical rather than gratuitously inflammatory.
For instance, perhaps say systemd keeps much better control of
daemons than sysvinit rather than sysvinit is antiquated junk, or

This is a very bad example.  The two statements have totally different
meanings.

One is an assumption about systemd --- which I wouldn't be willing to
make because I do not know whether it's true or not.  The other one is
an assumption about sysvinit --- which I *might* make because my
experience with sysvinit *might* have shown that it's antiquated junk.

If I was saying something about systemd in order to say something
about sysvinit, I would be lying.

say systemd engenders so many dependencies that it's going to be a
troubleshooting problem, rather than saying systemd leaves
enough room for mockery.

These are also two statements with totally different meanings.  Why
would I let some moderator dictate what I have to think?


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Re: Moderated posts?

david...@ling.ohio-state.edu writes:

 Or, in other words, threads deemed off-topic by listmaster@l.d.o may
 be frozen, or locked.

It's just another very short-sighted thing because depending on the
viewpoint expressed, the post may be off-topic or not.


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Re: implicit linkage


On 12/10/14 01:43, lee wrote:

Reco recovery...@gmail.com writes:


http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/tree/src/core/dbus-manager.c?id=3731acf1acfb4a6eb68374a5b137f3b368f63381#n638


Ah, this is a wonderful example :)  My assumptions about the code were right.

Does all/most of systemd look like that?


I'm not seeing a serious problem with that function.

I mean, I can certainly think of better ways to write it, but I don't 
find it bad enough that I'd want to *bother* doing so.



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Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-12 Thread The Wanderer

On 10/12/2014 at 12:30 PM, Joe wrote:

 On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 02:50:18 +1100 Andrew McGlashan
 andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote:

 I could be speaking too soon, but either the list has died down a
 little on systemd as a result of people having enough of trying to
 bang their head against a brick wall -- or the filtering has
 ramped up a level now.
 
 A post of mine of about seven hours ago has failed to appear, and it
 contained nothing contentious, and certainly nothing that could in
 any way have been construed as abusive or insulting. I was indeed
 agreeing, on at least two points, with one of the 'good guys'.
 Presumably, I used too many forbidden keywords.

My understanding is that the only filtering which has been stated to be
being used is not keyword-based, but thread-based. That is, if the post
is in a thread which has been added to the filter list, then it is
automatically filtered out without notification and without regard to
its contents.

I don't know what is used to determine which thread a filter is in; if I
were writing such a thing I'd probably try basing it on the inclusion of
a particular message in the References header, but that seems
potentially fragile.

It's not impossible that there is other filtering as well, but if so,
I'm not aware of the fact having been confirmed.

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Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread Steve Litt

On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 03:05:59 +0200
lee l...@yagibdah.de wrote:

 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com writes:
 
  pingaddr=8.8.8.8
  pingaddr=192.168.100.96
 
 Why is this is defined multiple times?

Mistake! 

The 8.8.8.8 isn't needed. That's a test of Internet connectivity, when
what I wanted was to test LAN connectivity, which in my case is my
firewall at 192.168.100.96.

You can safely remove the 8.8.8.8. Obviously :-)

Thanks for catching that.

SteveT

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Re: implicit linkage

2014-10-12 Thread John Hasler

Martin Read writes: 
 I'm not seeing a serious problem with that function.

You have no problem with an 1800 line function?
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Re: Bash usage: was implicit linkage

On Du, 12 oct 14, 10:30:52, The Wanderer wrote:
 On 10/12/2014 at 10:07 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
 
  Any program that requires additional scripting just to get it running
  is insufficiently advanced.
  
  (you can quote me on that)
 
 Part of the tradeoff for power is responsibility - both in the
 responsibility to use the power wisely, and in the responsibility to do
 things yourself rather than have others do them for you.
 
But I'm also aware of the limits of my powers and don't try to do too 
much, but instead use the right tool.

 If you don't want the responsibility of writing shell scripts (or other
 scripting), you will have to accept not having the power to do some of
 the things you could do with such scripts.
 
As well as avoid some of the mistakes I would (most probably) do.

 If you don't want that power either, that's fine for you - but others
 may not feel the same way.

And I'm fine with that. It's just that others seem to think that simply 
because Debian is using a specific tool by default it will suddenly 
discard the alternatives.

This is not how Debian works.

As long as there will be people available to do the work in maintaining 
the alternatives they will have their place in Debian, just like 
file-rc, runit, etc.

Kind regards,
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Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

On Du, 12 oct 14, 17:18:10, Joe wrote:
 
 You basically have two options, to use a firewall tool, or to hack a
 script yourself. The existing tools, last time I looked, aren't really
 that versatile, they are intended to make simple firewalls using a GUI.
 That's reasonable, because once you want something a bit unusual, any
 tool is likely to be no easier to use than the iptables commands
 themselves. I've (long ago) driven the 'sophisticated' Windows ISA
 firewall, and honestly, I'd rather have produced a list of iptables
 rules, when at least I'd have known for sure what was going on, and in
 what order.

shorewall

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Synaptic slow when Caribou is running after Gnome-shell update

2014-10-12 Thread Luca Perico

Hi
After 3,14 gnome shell update (i use debian jessie) i have see synaptic
p.m, very slow  to show the package list at startup and also when i change
the package list (i.e all to removable even with a short package list).
If i stop Caribou Synaptic work very good
I have also noted this :
1) Caribou start even if disabled (i don't use it).
2) I have see Caribou running even before i log on from another other VT.
I have disabled it from /usr/share/gdm/greeter/autostart/
3) after logon i still see caribou running
4) Caribou can be stopped enabling and disabling Caribou from Gnome
settings.
5) Synaptic work good if logon in xfce instead of gnome 3 (caribou don't
start).
6) after some time caribou use a lot of memory (700 MB)

the problem seem related to this:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi2-core/+bug/1328586
but with another assistive technology

Best regards
Thanks in advance
Luca

HTML5 videos in Jessie

2014-10-12 Thread Proxy

Hello,

I just installed Jessie on one of my partitions. Most of the stuff works
just fine, but I'm having problem playing HTML5 videos on Youtube in
Iceweasel. I can't even watch webm videos from here:
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2014/debconf14/webm/

It looks like video is playing in fast forward mode. No such problems in
Chromium and no problem in Wheezy on another partition. I installed all
packages that were installed in Wheezy, so I guess that all needed
codecs are installed. 

Page at youtube.com/html5 shows that HTMLVideoElement, H.264 and WebM
VP8 are OK, but Media Source Extensions, MSE  H.264 and MSE  WebM VP9
are with red exclamation mark.

Any idea what could be the problem?


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