Re: Extract substring from cat

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 09:58:01PM +0200, Kurt Flex wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 03:14:31PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:54:25PM +0200, Nemeth Gyorgy wrote:
> > > 2015-10-16 14:15 keltezéssel, Alfred Charles Stockton írta:
> > > cat /etc/*-release | grep ^PRETTY_NAME | sed 's/^.*=//'
> > 
> > Many insightful answers have been given. Yours is an example of "useless
> > use of cat" [1], better spelt as
> >
> >   grep ^PRETTY_NAME /etc/*-release | sed 's/^.*=//'
> > 
> > Even better, since sed can do grep:
> > 
> >   sed -ne '/^PRETTY_NAME=/ s/^.*=// p' < /etc/*-release
> 
> Not if there may be more than one file matching the pattern. In that
> case at least your "better" example breaks. It can be fixed by
> omitting "<".

You are right, of course. Thanks :-)
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Re: make system boot straight to browser connection

[Richard Owlett]

Brian wrote:

On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 08:10:54 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:


David Wright wrote:


r>>> I don't know. I don't really understand your original 
question. It

said "How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?" [snip]

I have 2 machines.
One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
One is Jessie with Mate DE.
Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set [TBD]
privileges.
Power on yields operating system.


Squeeze Gnome2 is probably using gdm. What is the output of

   apt-get purge gdm


That command structure is either *MALICIOUS* or sign of terminal 
ignorance.
Reading http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-get 
suggests that

   "apt-get -s purge gdm"would be much more reasonable.

My Squeeze machine is physically unavailable.
However, previous experiments APPEAR to IMPLY answer  is gdm3.
Identical experiments run on Wheezy were a "flop". One reason 
I've ignored that release as it required effort to get running 
while not suggesting any benefits.




I do not know what Jessie Mate uses. What is the output of

   apt-get purge 


And just what might be  sic/(sick)?

Re: Warsaw

[SamuelOPH]

Agora a Caixa também está pedindo a instalação do Warsaw.

É galera, parece que a gente levou uma tranca legal desses bancos, não sei
o que é pior, ter que instalar Java (da Oracle ainda por cima) ou o Warsaw.

Na verdade o Warsaw é de longe o pior...

Samuel Henrique O. P. [samueloph]
Técnico em Informática - UTFPR [2012].
Estudante de Engenharia de Computação - UTFPR.

Em 16 de outubro de 2015 13:56, Rodrigo Germano de Paula <
rodrigo.pa...@ifb.edu.br> escreveu:

> Alguém está enfrentando problemas pra abrir o putty no windows com o
> plugin do BB instalado? Só consegui fazer funcionar aqui após renomear a
> pasta gbplugin via linux.
>
> *Rodrigo Germano de Paula*
> Técnico em Tecnologia da Informação
> IFB Campus Planaltina
> Contato: (61) 21962601
>
> Em 15 de outubro de 2015 23:45, Richard Antunes <
> richardwas2...@yahoo.com.br> escreveu:
>
>> Boa noite amigos,
>>
>> Eu acho que deve ser isso que o Antônio disse. É bem provável.
>>
>> *Richard Antunes*
>> Tecnólogo em Metalurgia
>>
>>
>>
>> Em Quinta-feira, 15 de Outubro de 2015 9:44, Adiel de Lima Ribeiro <
>> adiel.netad...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>>
>> Srs, não sei se é o caso do Warsaw, mas alguns aplicativos bacunçam o
>> sources.list do Debian.
>> Tive problema com isso depios de instalar o Google Earth, o apt não
>> atualizava mais o sistema.
>> Segui as dicas da internet e blah blah blah, nada resolveu.
>> Fiz um teste desinstalando o Google Earth e... problema resolvido.
>>
>> On 10/15/2015 09:35 AM, Antonio Terceiro wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 04:05:53AM +, Richard Antunes wrote:
>> >> Olá Thiago,
>> >> obrigado pela sua opinião.Eu achei estranho também o fato de só o
>> "http//:ftp.debian.org" apresentar erro, os outros conectaram
>> normalmente.
>> > a versão desse negócio pra windows dava um problema com ipv6, se vc
>> > estivesse numa rede ipv6 nativa vc não conseguia acessar outros sites
>> > ipv6 ou algo assim. o nic.br publicou um relato disso aí. como o
>> > ftp.debian.org tem um endereço ipv6, pode ser que a versão pra
>> gnu/linux
>> > também tenha um problema parecido.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cordialmente,
>> Adiel de Lima Ribeiro
>> (31) 8961-5984
>> Pós Graduação em Administração de Redes Linux
>> MCSA - Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Reinstall Stretch - Returns to Grub

[ray]

I have stretch installed on a Toshiba and I am not able to reinstall it.  
The first instance was installed using the BIOS mode CSM.  I want to reinstall 
using UEFI.  

Now, I am using the a USB stick which Rufus was used to install stretch 64 DVD 
disk 1.  I changed the BIOS from CSM to UEFI.  After inserting the USB stick 
into the laptop, the Debian graphic page came up.  I pressed tab to open a 
command line to input:
video=VGA:1860x1080 
This is to limit how small the font shows up in the following screens.

I got a command line prompt:
grub>  
I input the video command.  No errors were reported.  But I have not found out 
how to get out of the command line mode.

After turning of the laptop and back on without the USB stick, it goes directly 
to the grub prompt.  I put the stick back in and power cycle it, it comes back 
to the grub prompt.  I repeated with rufus to see if the stick may have been 
changed.  The newly written stick does not change anything, it goes directly to 
the grub prompt.

How do I move this forward?  
Run the video command
Continue the installation process from the command line.

Re: Mailing lists, CC, followup-to, netiquette and all the rest [was: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer]

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 07:55:58PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 17:44:55 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 04:55:10PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > 
> > > I'd also like the copy to the list to land in my list folder, not be 
> > > discarded.
> > 
> > The ultimate feature is just a duplicate filter (a couple of lines of
> > procmail). You'll have to configure the "mail sorter" (you're probably
> > using KMail) accoringly, because probably the "copy for you" will
> > arrive earlier.
> 
> Isn't this the essence of the problem? The couple of lines of procmail
> will put the first mail ("copy for you") in the inbox. The actual list
> mail will probably be disposed of.

You have to refine your filters a bit, but it's definitely possible.

> > See this thread in... debian-user[1], of all things (from 2003) where
> > our ancestors hashed this out already (with some recipes). Just ask if
> > you decide to use procmail (I am, alas, a KMail analphabet myself).
> > 
> > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg05065.html
> 
> There is nothing there which I can see ensures the list mail ends up in
> the list folder,

That's right. But you can catch most of it.

Regards
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Re: Tracking down memory leaks

[Don Armstrong]

On Sat, 17 Oct 2015, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> When I do have to do a reboot I close down everything to a single
> console running. I then run top and it only shows bash and top. Next
> time I will run top and include root and daemon processes and see if
> anything shows up. I am guessing that this is memory that Firefox was
> using, but has forgotten about. If that is the case, is there a way to
> free it up without doing a reboot?
[...]
>  5062 marc  20   0 7622m 5.3g  12m D   1.6 68.1 210:02.01 firefox


First off, firefox isn't something that Debian distributes. So odds are
that whatever version you're using is old and outdated, or you're using
a plugin or add-on which is buggy.

Secondly, in firefox or iceweasel, about:memory will show you want it is
doing and where it is spending its memory.

Finally, if you kill off the firefox process, it will stop using the
memory, and the memory will become free again without you doing
anything else.


-- 
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RE: Problemas com o Boot/GRUB

[Luiz L. Marins]

Oi Isac,

Tenha em mão um live cd (ubuntu ou debian)

Então, tente isto:

===










RECUPERANDO O GRUB


Dar boot com Live-cd do Ubuntu.
 

   1. Verifique o número da partição referente ao seu GNU/LINUX: 
   
$ sudo fdisk -l

   (Supondo que seja n. 5, veja qual é a sua)

   2. Monte o seu sistema de arquivos na sua partição GNU/Linux no diretório 
/mnt. 
   
$ sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 /mnt

   3. Instalação do Grub: 
   
$ sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda5

   4. Desmonte
   
$ sudo umount /mnt

   5. Reinicie
   
$ sudo reboot


___ 






> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 13:46:37 -0300
> From: isaac...@riseup.net
> To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Problemas com o Boot/GRUB
> 
> Olá turma.
> 
> Estou tendo problemas com o boot. O meu notebook não entra no grub. 
> Tenho quase certeza de que fiz besteira ao tentar instalar um grub em um 
> pendrive(estava instalando o hirens boot nele).
> 
> O comando que utilizei foi: sudo grub-install /dev/sdb (o pendrive era 
> sdb mesmo)
> 
> Agora só consigo entrar no grub e iniciar meu computador com o pendrive...
> 
> Para tentar consertar tentei:
> 
> [yzak@benedita /]$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda
> Installing for i386-pc platform.
> grub-install: aviso: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot 
> Partition; embedding won't be possible.
> grub-install: aviso: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be 
> installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are 
> UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
> grub-install: erro: will not proceed with blocklists.
> 
> Mas pelo jeito sem sucesso...
> 
> Alguma luz?
> 
> -- 
> Isaac Ferreira Filho
> http://yzakius.eu
> Jabber: isaacmob arroba riseup.net
> @yzakius
> 
  

Re: Re: Cannot purge glame (SOLVED)

[Hudson Flavio Meneses Lacerda]

Reco wrote:

Edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/glame.prerm like this:

=== cut ===
#!/bin/sh
set -e
# Automatically added by dh_installinfo
if [ "$1" = remove ] || [ "$1" = upgrade ]; then
 install-info --quiet --remove /usr/share/info/glame.info || true
fi
# End automatically added section
# Automatically added by dh_installinfo
if [ "$1" = remove ] || [ "$1" = upgrade ]; then
 install-info --quiet --remove /usr/share/info/glame-dev.info || true
fi
# End automatically added section
=== cut ===



Thank you!


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RE: Problemas com o Boot/GRUB

[isaac filho]

Olá luiz. Obrigado pela força.

Tentei fazer o que você escreveu mas não consegui, segue:

fdsk -l:


Device   Start   End   Sectors   Size Type
/dev/sda1 2048   1953791   1951744   953M Linux filesystem
/dev/sda2  1953792 976771071 974817280 464,8G Linux filesystem



Ao tentar montar o /dev/sda2:
---
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda2 /mnt
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2,
   missing codepage or helper program, or other error

   In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
   dmesg | tail or so.
-


Consigo montar o /dev/sda1, mas não consigo instalar o grub:

-
ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda1
Installing for i386-pc platform.
grub-install: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding.
grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be 
installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are 
UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..

grub-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists.
---


Bem, um detalhe. Minha partição é criptografada. Tentei dar uma busca em 
como, mas não achei nada claro para mim.


Obrigado

Em 2015-10-18 20:28, Luiz L. Marins escreveu:

Oi Isac,

Tenha em mão um live cd (ubuntu ou debian)

Então, tente isto:

===










RECUPERANDO O GRUB


Dar boot com Live-cd do Ubuntu.


   1. Verifique o número da partição referente ao seu GNU/LINUX:

$ sudo fdisk -l

   (Supondo que seja n. 5, veja qual é a sua)

   2. Monte o seu sistema de arquivos na sua partição GNU/Linux no
diretório /mnt.

$ sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 /mnt

   3. Instalação do Grub:

$ sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda5

   4. Desmonte

$ sudo umount /mnt

   5. Reinicie

$ sudo reboot


___







Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 13:46:37 -0300
From: isaac...@riseup.net
To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
Subject: Problemas com o Boot/GRUB

Olá turma.

Estou tendo problemas com o boot. O meu notebook não entra no grub.
Tenho quase certeza de que fiz besteira ao tentar instalar um grub em 
um

pendrive(estava instalando o hirens boot nele).

O comando que utilizei foi: sudo grub-install /dev/sdb (o pendrive era
sdb mesmo)

Agora só consigo entrar no grub e iniciar meu computador com o 
pendrive...


Para tentar consertar tentei:

[yzak@benedita /]$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda
Installing for i386-pc platform.
grub-install: aviso: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot
Partition; embedding won't be possible.
grub-install: aviso: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be
installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are
UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
grub-install: erro: will not proceed with blocklists.

Mas pelo jeito sem sucesso...

Alguma luz?

--
Isaac Ferreira Filho
http://yzakius.eu
Jabber: isaacmob arroba riseup.net
@yzakius



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Re: make system boot straight to browser connection

[Brian]

On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 16:05:41 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> >
> >Squeeze Gnome2 is probably using gdm. What is the output of
> >
> >   apt-get purge gdm
> 
> That command structure is either *MALICIOUS* or sign of terminal ignorance.
> Reading http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-get suggests
> that
>"apt-get -s purge gdm"would be much more reasonable.

There is a first time for everything. I've never before been accused of
having malicious intent or being ignorant. I could understand if at
times I had been placed in the latter category but people on this list
have generally been tolerant of gaps in my knowledge.

Use 'apt-get -s purge gdm' by all means if you are unable to locate the
'n' key.

> My Squeeze machine is physically unavailable.
> However, previous experiments APPEAR to IMPLY answer  is gdm3.

The actual output is required.

> Identical experiments run on Wheezy were a "flop". One reason I've ignored
> that release as it required effort to get running while not suggesting any
> benefits.
> 
> >I do not know what Jessie Mate uses. What is the output of
> >
> >   apt-get purge 
> 
> And just what might be  sic/(sick)?

The name of whatever display manager you are using. (Without < and >).
Lightdm, for example. Again, the actual output is required, not
something you dimly recollect. 

Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[Sébastien Dinot]

andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
>  Ouh là ! tu n'as pas eu de chance :-)

Je pense surtout que :

1. J'ai bossé pour des boites peut-être plus exposées que d'autres.

2. Il y avait dans ces boîtes - surtout celle où j'ai été confronté pour
   la première fois à un rootkit - des admin. sys. et des spécialistes
   en sécurité informatique pointus que le comportement anormal mais
   somme toute anodin d'un processus mettait en alerte.

3. Sans être moi-même pointu en sécurité informatique, j'ai suffisamment
   d'expérience en développement et en admin. sys. pour savoir que
   l'invulnérabilité est une chimère sauf peut-être à prendre un luxe de
   précautions extrêmement contraignantes allant jusqu'à la mise en
   œuvre de matériel spécifique qui font que quasiment personne ne les
   prend.

> Finalement, tu en reviens au monde Windows.

Oui, forcément. Indépendamment de mes pratiques, une bonne partie des
gens avec qui j'interagis utilisent des systèmes propriétaires.

> Un article à ce sujet d'une personne que tu dois connaître,
> "Pourquoi Linux n'a pas besoin d'anti-virus :
> http://pjarillon.free.fr/redac/virus.html

Cet article date de 1999 et Pierre ne dirait peut-être pas la même chose
aujourd'hui. En outre, s'il a raison de dire que la conception des
systèmes Unix les rendent moins fragiles, ces systèmes ne sont pas
exempts de failles et exploiter les failles est le propre des virus de
tout poil.

Il suffit de voir le nombre de scans et autres tentatives d'intrusion
ciblées dont font l'objet des serveurs GNU/Linux exposés sur le net pour
se convaincre que ces failles existent bel et bien et que des logiciels
essaient en permanence de les exploiter. D'ailleurs, c'est lorsque les
choses semblent se calmer que je m'inquiète et que j'en viens à me
demander si quelqu'un aurait pas réussi à pénétrer le système (ce n'est
pas une blague, j'ai récemment pris du temps à analyser l'état d'un
serveur sur lequel Fail2Ban n'avait banni aucune adresse depuis une
semaine).

> D'autres pages disent le contraire, mais en 20 ans de Linux, mon
> système n'a pas eu à être ré-installé

La formule arrondit un peu trop les angles à mon goût. D'une part, rares
sont les machines qui durent 20 ans. D'autre part, nous en changeons
tous spontanément au bout de 2 ou 10 ans. Mais surtout, il y a bien
longtemps que Buzz (qui n'existait d'ailleurs pas encore il y a 20 ans)
n'est plus maintenue et la mise à jour au fil de l'eau a ses limites. :)

Autrement dit, je suis certain qu'en 20 ans, tu as réinstallé plus d'une
fois ton système.

Blague mise à part, il est certes amusant de voir les utilisateurs de
MS-Windows réinstaller leur système tous les trois mois pour l'assainir
et, dans la foulée, utiliser des outils de cracks vérolés pour casser
les protections des logiciels propriétaires. Mais j'ai déjà du de mon
côté réinstaller deux serveurs GNU/Linux qui avaient été victimes
d'attaques fructueuses.

En ce qui me concerne, le plus « vieux » serveur que j'administre vient
de fêter ses 6 ans et je commence à le trouver poussif (ce n'était déjà
pas une bête de guerre lorsque je l'ai mis en service). J'envisage donc
son remplacement au cours de l'année à venir.

> Ouf, tu n'as pas (encore) "reviré ta cuti" :-)

Passons sur la formule, il y a bien longtemps que mon intransigeance
a montré ses limites : tous mes PC personnels et professionnels sont
dotés de BIOS propriétaires et, cédant à la pression familiale d'un côté
et professionnelle de l'autre, j'ai installé Flash sur tous mes postes
de travail.

Sébastien


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Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[Sylvain L. Sauvage]

Le dimanche 18 octobre 2015, 23:11:03 Sébastien Dinot a écrit :
>[…]
> Il suffit de voir le nombre de scans et autres tentatives
> d'intrusion ciblées dont font l'objet des serveurs GNU/Linux
> exposés sur le net pour se convaincre que ces failles
> existent bel et bien et que des logiciels essaient en
> permanence de les exploiter.

  Il faut dire qu’il y a quand même pas mal de routeurs et 
autres machines clefs en main à base de GNU/Linux (ou Linux tout 
court d’ailleurs) qui ne sont déjà à la base pas très sécurisés 
(clefs ssh réutilisées ou ouverts à tout vent « par défaut »…), 
qui sont parfois difficiles à mettre à jour (plus ou moins 
proprio…) et qui sont souvent installés puis oubliés.
  Donc que ces machines faciles à compromettre soient ciblées 
n’est pas difficile à comprendre. Non plus que tous les autres 
Linux, ou même simplement serveurs, soient aussi testés. Après 
tout, ça ne coûte pas grand-chose à l’attaquant puisqu’il 
utilise des machines qui ne sont pas les siennes…

>[…]

-- 
 Sylvain Sauvage

Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[Charles Plessy]

Le Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 06:43:10PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
> 
> Un article à ce sujet d'une personne que tu dois connaître,
> "Pourquoi Linux n'a pas besoin d'anti-virus :
> http://pjarillon.free.fr/redac/virus.html

Bonjour,

si l'on considère un virus Windows comme une patate chaude, un anti-virus est
tout à fait utile sous Linux, pour ne pas être celui qui a donné une clé USB ou
envoyé un courriel avec un fichier infecté.

Amicalement,

-- 
Charles Plessy
Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japon

Re: deblan de 7.9 a 8.2

[Manolo Díaz]

El domingo, 18 de octubre de 2015 a las 16:39 UTC
Eduardo Rios escribió:

> El 18/10/15 a las 18:25, Manolo Díaz escribió:
> > El domingo, 18 de octubre de 2015 a las 15:50 UTC
> > Eduardo Rios escribió:
> >  
> >> Yo creo que hubiera sido mejor que hubieras ido actualizando en su
> >> momento: de 7.9, a 8.0, 8.1 y 8.2.  
> >
> > El repositorio de estable apunta a la versión 8.2 en este momento,
> > tendías que buscar entre las imágenes iso del archivo. Además, debe ser
> > un poco más fiable actualizar de 7.9 a 8.2 que a 8.0, por tener la
> > primera más errores corregidos.
> >  
> 
> ¿Quieres decir que "en teoría" se podría pasar de 7.9 a 8.2 sin tanto 
> problema?

Los mismos que pueda tener pasar de 7.9 a 8.0.

> Yo es que siempre he ido actualizando de versión a versión, 
> sin dejar saltos, (7, 7.1, 7.2 ... 8, 8.1, 8.2) y no he tenido problemas.
> 
> Por eso desconozco si se puede actualizar con saltos grandes o muy 
> grandes (por ejemplo de 7.1 a 8.2)
> 
> A mi no me gusta hacerlo así :-P
> 

Sí, mejor, pero porque tienes las últimas correcciones a fallos en
cada momento, no porque deba haber más problemas en pasar de 7.0 a 8.2.
El número menor de versión no debe incorporar cambios drásticos.

-- 
Manolo Díaz

Re: Reinstall Stretch - Returns to Grub

[moxalt]

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 17:17:52 -0700 (PDT), ray  wrote:

> I have stretch installed on a Toshiba and I am not able to reinstall it.  
> The first instance was installed using the BIOS mode CSM.  I want to
> reinstall using UEFI.

Why do you want UEFI? You've got a working installation from CSM.

Problemas com o Boot/GRUB

[Isaac Ferreira Filho]

Olá turma.

Estou tendo problemas com o boot. O meu notebook não entra no grub. 
Tenho quase certeza de que fiz besteira ao tentar instalar um grub em um 
pendrive(estava instalando o hirens boot nele).


O comando que utilizei foi: sudo grub-install /dev/sdb (o pendrive era 
sdb mesmo)


Agora só consigo entrar no grub e iniciar meu computador com o pendrive...

Para tentar consertar tentei:

[yzak@benedita /]$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda
Installing for i386-pc platform.
grub-install: aviso: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot 
Partition; embedding won't be possible.
grub-install: aviso: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be 
installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are 
UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..

grub-install: erro: will not proceed with blocklists.

Mas pelo jeito sem sucesso...

Alguma luz?

--
Isaac Ferreira Filho
http://yzakius.eu
Jabber: isaacmob arroba riseup.net
@yzakius

Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[rlharris]

On Sun, October 18, 2015 9:39 am, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> How small is "small"?

My intent is to avoid the necessity of getting a smartphone simply to have
Internet access on the road.

And though it would be nice ("icing on the cake") to be able to use
GoogleEarth when I am exploring out in a rural area, the primary need is
simply to access web sites in order to find addresses and telephone
numbers.  And it would be nice to be able to check e-mail while on an
all-day excursion, or road flooding reports during monsoon season.

Recently I was across town and running late to keep an appointment when I
discovered that I did not have the card on which I wrote the address and
phone number.  In such a case, a flip-open cellular is not of much help. 
However, the flip phone did allow me to reach a friend who searched on the
Internet and found the address and phone number.

So by "small" I mean small enough to be used without getting out of the
car (in order to set the machine on the hood or trunk).  And though many
smartphone users (stupidly) browse while driving, I do not need a computer
which is small enough to use while the car is in motion. That said, even a
display the size of the tiny display of a smartphone is adequate.

Russ

Re: Extract substring from cat

[Kurt Flex]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 03:14:31PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 02:54:25PM +0200, Nemeth Gyorgy wrote:
> > 2015-10-16 14:15 keltezéssel, Alfred Charles Stockton írta:
> > cat /etc/*-release | grep ^PRETTY_NAME | sed 's/^.*=//'
> 
> Many insightful answers have been given. Yours is an example of "useless
> use of cat" [1], better spelt as
>
>   grep ^PRETTY_NAME /etc/*-release | sed 's/^.*=//'
> 
> Even better, since sed can do grep:
> 
>   sed -ne '/^PRETTY_NAME=/ s/^.*=// p' < /etc/*-release

Not if there may be more than one file matching the pattern. In that
case at least your "better" example breaks. It can be fixed by
omitting "<".


Kurt

Bedrijfsadministratie

[Frans van Berckel]

Ken jij een handige Linux applicatie (desktop of server) waar je
eenvoudig de bedrijfsadministratie van een éénmanszaak kan voeren. En
als je der meer van weet, hoe doe jij dat dan?

Met vriendelijke groet,


Frans van Berckel

Re: whatsapp on Debian?

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Sunday 18 October 2015 13:55:06 foster2cbran...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> If you check out WhatsApp's website, or the wikipedia page:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhatsApp The only supported operating systems
> are on phones. Since it's a mobile phone app, I would guess there is no PC
> port of this.
> > On Oct 18, 2015, at 12:36, Rodolfo Medina 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Andrew McGlashan  writes:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >>> On 17/10/2015 9:52 PM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
> >>> I've found several how-to's about installing whatsapp on Linux and
> >>> Debian but none of them was useful to me.  Anyone out there who was
> >>> successful with the issue and can report how to do?
> >> 
> >> I'm not sure what you need, but the secure messaging part (when it is
> >> done right) is being handled with code from the TextSecure project.
> >> If that is what you are after, then you might want to consider looking
> >> at that project -- Android TextSecure / Red Phone  iOS Signal is
> >> the equivalent, but in one app.  The Android apps are expected to
> >> become one app too, but not sure when.
> >> 
> >> https://whispersystems.org/
> >> 
> >> The apps on github:
> >> https://github.com/whispersystems/
> > 
> > Thanks.  But, as far as I understand, that's not for PCs, only for
> > phones... What I want is instead to use whatsapp from my PC.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Rodolfo

Open https://web.whatsapp.com/
Take a picture of the QR-code from out of WhatsApp on your phone and voilá 
WhatsApp in a (any) browser. But you still need the phone to do that. Don't 
know if that suits your need.
Cheers
Eike

-- 
Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE

It's is not, it isn't ain't, and it's it's, not its, if you mean it
is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers. It isn't her's. It
isn't our's either. It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.
 -- Oxford University Press, Edpress New

Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[Gaëtan PERRIER]

Le Sun, 18 Oct 2015 23:11:03 +0200
Sébastien Dinot  a écrit:

> > D'autres pages disent le contraire, mais en 20 ans de Linux, mon
> > système n'a pas eu à être ré-installé
> 
> La formule arrondit un peu trop les angles à mon goût. D'une part, rares
> sont les machines qui durent 20 ans. D'autre part, nous en changeons
> tous spontanément au bout de 2 ou 10 ans. Mais surtout, il y a bien
> longtemps que Buzz (qui n'existait d'ailleurs pas encore il y a 20 ans)
> n'est plus maintenue et la mise à jour au fil de l'eau a ses limites. :)
> 
> Autrement dit, je suis certain qu'en 20 ans, tu as réinstallé plus d'une
> fois ton système.
> 

Jusqu'à mon passage en 64 bits je n'avais jamais réinstallé ma debian
testing tout en changeant 3 ou 4 fois de machine ...

Gaëtan

Re: Mailing lists, CC, followup-to, netiquette and all the rest [was: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer]

[Brian]

On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 21:17:46 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 07:55:58PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 17:44:55 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 04:55:10PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I'd also like the copy to the list to land in my list folder, not be 
> > > > discarded.
> > > 
> > > The ultimate feature is just a duplicate filter (a couple of lines of
> > > procmail). You'll have to configure the "mail sorter" (you're probably
> > > using KMail) accoringly, because probably the "copy for you" will
> > > arrive earlier.
> > 
> > Isn't this the essence of the problem? The couple of lines of procmail
> > will put the first mail ("copy for you") in the inbox. The actual list
> > mail will probably be disposed of.
> 
> You have to refine your filters a bit, but it's definitely possible.

I know it is, but not with a simple three or four line procmail recipe
alone.

> > > See this thread in... debian-user[1], of all things (from 2003) where
> > > our ancestors hashed this out already (with some recipes). Just ask if
> > > you decide to use procmail (I am, alas, a KMail analphabet myself).
> > > 
> > > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg05065.html
> > 
> > There is nothing there which I can see ensures the list mail ends up in
> > the list folder,
> 
> That's right. But you can catch most of it.

Even if "most" is possible it is not good enough.

A thread of more recent vintage is at

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/03/msg00012.html

There is a technique (and an implementation of it) described which
ensures list mails get to a list folder and CCs are deleted. See what
you think.

Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[Sébastien Dinot]

Gaëtan PERRIER a écrit :
> Jusqu'à mon passage en 64 bits je n'avais jamais réinstallé ma debian
> testing tout en changeant 3 ou 4 fois de machine ...

Pour ma part, je n'ai jamais tenté la performance pour deux raisons :

1. Nouvelle machine implique nouveau disque, nouveaux périphériques et
   donc nouvelle configuration. Partir d'une base vierge me semble plus
   simple.

2. J'ai constaté qu'à force d'évolution et d'empilement de générations
   de logiciels, un système continuellement mis à jour se retrouve
   pollué par moult scories qui perturbent parfois son bon
   fonctionnement. Un seul exemple pour l'illustrer : autrefois, les
   comptes des utilisateurs devaient être manuellement associés à des
   groupes dédiés pour pouvoir accéder à certains périphériques. Le
   faire aujourd'hui est le meilleur moyen d'inhiber le fonctionnement
   « automagique » de PolicyKit, udisks et tutti quanti.

Sébastien

-- 
Sébastien Dinot, sebastien.di...@free.fr
http://sebastien.dinot.free.fr/
Ne goûtez pas au logiciel libre, vous ne pourriez plus vous en passer !

Re: deblan de 7.9 a 8.2

[Eduardo Rios]

El 18/10/15 a las 23:25, Santiago Vila escribió:

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 06:39:23PM +0200, Eduardo Rios wrote:


¿Quieres decir que "en teoría" se podría pasar de 7.9 a 8.2 sin tanto
problema? Yo es que siempre he ido actualizando de versión a versión, sin
dejar saltos, (7, 7.1, 7.2 ... 8, 8.1, 8.2) y no he tenido problemas.


Las actualizaciones no soportadas son las que se saltan "releases".
Por ejemplo, de squeeze a jessie (sin pasar por wheezy), o de wheezy a stretch
(sin pasar por jessie).

Pero es que todas las Debian 7.x son "pojnt releases" de wheezy y
todas las Debian 8.x son "point releases" jessie, por lo que de
cualquier Debian 7.x a cualquier Debian 8.x solamente hay un escalón y
no se considera que te estés saltando ninguna "release".

Aparte de eso, una vez que las actualizaciones de security.debian.org
se incorporan al jessie normal en una "point release" es casi
imposible actualizarse a Debian 8.0 como no sea usando un DVD
desactualizado.


Muchas gracias por la información Santiago, muy interesante :)



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Registered user #369215

Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Stefan Monnier]

> So by "small" I mean small enough to be used without getting out of the
> car (in order to set the machine on the hood or trunk).  And though many

In that case, a 10" netbook (like the MSI Wind or a plethora of others)
would probably be a good option.  You can have them for very cheap
nowadays, and they're just "small x86 laptops" so the installation of
Debian is completely straightforward.


Stefan

¿Qué sucede con los paquetes huérfanos?

[Miguel de Dios Matias]

Buenas.

Soy un usuario errático de Debian que al final siempre tengo instalada una
descendiente (en este caso Linux Mint), pero bueno he dado el paso de
unirme de momento a las listas de correo.

Y bueno mas o menos voy entendiendo como funciona Debian por dentro.

Pero me surge una duda...bueno dos.

¿Qué sucede con los paquetes huérfanos? ¿Se sacan de la siguiente release?
¿Se mantienen?

Y la segunda:

Las listas de paquetes huérfanos que hay en el wiki...¿Se actualizan a mano?

Saludos.

Re: early Lenovo S205 Ideapad + Debian Jessie + Xfce -- success

[rlharris]

On Sun, October 18, 2015 5:23 am, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
> Using the official Debian 8.1.0-amd64-netinst image dated 20150606-14:16

I changed the subject line to make "S205" more prominent; over the years I
have spent hours with Google searching for reports on Debian with that
specific machine.

I saw on https://www.debian.org/ an announcment regarding Debian 8.2, so I
re-installed, hoping that 8.2 or something in the installer might have
fixed the power-down issue.  But the machine still cannot be powered down
from Xfce or by opening a terminal and executing "shutdown -h now" from
the command line; it is necessary to hold down the hardware switch.

The use of approx speeds reinstallation.

Russ

Re: make system boot straight to browser connection

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 October 2015 23:21:53 David Wright wrote:
> Ok, that's clarified, I think, what you mean by DE. You want (I'm
> guessing) a machine to come up with its full Desktop Environment as if
> the user "myexperiments" had sat at the console and typed in their
> username and password.

If Richard wants to end up in a DE, why does the way he gets there have to be 
DE independent??  And where does the browser come in (see subject line)? And 
which browser?  Which browser, on which DE, makes a difference to what is the 
best way to get there.  But I thought he didn't want a DE.  So Lynx???

I routinely boot up without logging in, on everything but my netbook.  And any 
software I want opened up immediately, is opened up immediately, before I 
touch the computer.  I don't see what the fuss is about.  So, as I have 
mentioned before, I don't understand.

I like your summary!!

Lisi

RE: Problemas com o Boot/GRUB

[Rafael Kaminski]

Que eu me lembre, o grub é instalado no hd, e não na partição...

Tente rodar o grub usando somente sda...
Em 18/10/2015 20:16, "isaac filho"  escreveu:

> Olá luiz. Obrigado pela força.
>
> Tentei fazer o que você escreveu mas não consegui, segue:
>
> fdsk -l:
>
> 
> Device   Start   End   Sectors   Size Type
> /dev/sda1 2048   1953791   1951744   953M Linux filesystem
> /dev/sda2  1953792 976771071 974817280 464,8G Linux filesystem
> 
>
>
> Ao tentar montar o /dev/sda2:
> ---
> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda2 /mnt
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda2,
>missing codepage or helper program, or other error
>
>In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
>dmesg | tail or so.
> -
>
>
> Consigo montar o /dev/sda1, mas não consigo instalar o grub:
>
> -
> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda1
> Installing for i386-pc platform.
> grub-install: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding.
> grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be
> installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are
> UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
> grub-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists.
> ---
>
>
> Bem, um detalhe. Minha partição é criptografada. Tentei dar uma busca em
> como, mas não achei nada claro para mim.
>
> Obrigado
>
> Em 2015-10-18 20:28, Luiz L. Marins escreveu:
>
>> Oi Isac,
>>
>> Tenha em mão um live cd (ubuntu ou debian)
>>
>> Então, tente isto:
>>
>> ===
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> RECUPERANDO O GRUB
>>
>>
>> Dar boot com Live-cd do Ubuntu.
>>
>>
>>1. Verifique o número da partição referente ao seu GNU/LINUX:
>>
>> $ sudo fdisk -l
>>
>>(Supondo que seja n. 5, veja qual é a sua)
>>
>>2. Monte o seu sistema de arquivos na sua partição GNU/Linux no
>> diretório /mnt.
>>
>> $ sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sda5 /mnt
>>
>>3. Instalação do Grub:
>>
>> $ sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda5
>>
>>4. Desmonte
>>
>> $ sudo umount /mnt
>>
>>5. Reinicie
>>
>> $ sudo reboot
>>
>>
>> ___
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 13:46:37 -0300
>>> From: isaac...@riseup.net
>>> To: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
>>> Subject: Problemas com o Boot/GRUB
>>>
>>> Olá turma.
>>>
>>> Estou tendo problemas com o boot. O meu notebook não entra no grub.
>>> Tenho quase certeza de que fiz besteira ao tentar instalar um grub em um
>>> pendrive(estava instalando o hirens boot nele).
>>>
>>> O comando que utilizei foi: sudo grub-install /dev/sdb (o pendrive era
>>> sdb mesmo)
>>>
>>> Agora só consigo entrar no grub e iniciar meu computador com o
>>> pendrive...
>>>
>>> Para tentar consertar tentei:
>>>
>>> [yzak@benedita /]$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda
>>> Installing for i386-pc platform.
>>> grub-install: aviso: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot
>>> Partition; embedding won't be possible.
>>> grub-install: aviso: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be
>>> installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are
>>> UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
>>> grub-install: erro: will not proceed with blocklists.
>>>
>>> Mas pelo jeito sem sucesso...
>>>
>>> Alguma luz?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Isaac Ferreira Filho
>>> http://yzakius.eu
>>> Jabber: isaacmob arroba riseup.net
>>> @yzakius
>>>
>>>
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Re: Problemas com o Boot/GRUB (Resolvido)

[Isaac Ferreira Filho]

Opa!

On 18-10-2015 20:04, Rafael Kaminski wrote:


Que eu me lembre, o grub é instalado no hd, e não na partição...

Tente rodar o grub usando somente sda..



Isso mesmo. Porém encontrei o mesmo erro:

Installing for i386-pc platform.
grub-install: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding.
grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be 
installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are 
UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..

grub-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists.


Fuçando um pouco mais vi, na wiki do archlinux, o uso do "--force" e deu 
certo.


Obrigado pela atenção!

--
Isaac Ferreira Filho
http://yzakius.eu
Jabber: isaacmob arroba riseup.net
@yzakius

Re: ¿Qué sucede con los paquetes huérfanos?

[Juan Lavieri]

Hola Miguel.

Bienvenido a la lista.


El 18 de octubre de 2015, 20:55, Miguel de Dios Matias  escribió:

> Buenas.
>
> Soy un usuario errático de Debian que al final siempre tengo instalada una
> descendiente (en este caso Linux Mint), pero bueno he dado el paso de
> unirme de momento a las listas de correo.
>


​Mientras no se te ocurra preguntar algo específico de mint, no creo que
tengas problemas.​



>
> Y bueno mas o menos voy entendiendo como funciona Debian por dentro.
>
> Pero me surge una duda...bueno dos.
>
> ¿Qué sucede con los paquetes huérfanos?
>

​Que ocupan espacio y no están haciendo nada.​




> ¿Se sacan de la siguiente release?
>

​lo haces tu mismo.  Mira el comando deborphan (man deborphan)

Si lo buscas por google hay tutoriales interesantes.​




> ¿Se mantienen?
>
> Y la segunda:
>
> Las listas de paquetes huérfanos que hay en el wiki...¿Se actualizan a
> mano?
>

¿​A cuál lista te refieres?  ¿podrías indicar algún ejemplo?
​




>
> Saludos.
>

​Saludos​



-- 

Juan Lavieri

Errar es de humanos, pero es mas humano culpar a los demás.

Re: Mailing lists, CC, followup-to, netiquette and all the rest [was: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer]

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 09:21:49PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > tomas said:
> > Yes, you are right about the CoC part. Still, if someone is picky about 
> > *not*
> > being cc'ed, I'd consider it polite to at least do his/her part and express
> > this wish with the headers in use for this purpose. At least *before* 
> > scolding
> > others <:*)
> 
> Don't take me wrong. I think its reasonable. But I think also we should try
> to be gentle about it (and try to "fix" as much as possible on our sides).

So you're saying that someone who is following the code should go out
of their way to accomodate the ones who won't follow the code?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

hola buenas tardes necesito ayuda con debian 8

[Jabyr Hurtado]

hola buenas noches me llamo jabyr y so de antofagasta chile bueno soy
usuario nuevo en debian y sabes que desde que lo instale e tenido problemas
y me di cuenta que se debe a problemas con el kernel o nucleo de linux con
lo poco y nada que se de debian e tratado de instalar programas me da error
inicio como usuario root también utilizo el comando apt-get error, aptitude
arror instalo los repositorios error todo me sale error a la hora de
instalar algo lo unico que quiero es poder instalar unetbootin y reinstalar
debian desde un nuevo iso como lo hago o que solucion me dan gracias

Re: make system boot straight to browser connection

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 05:21:53PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Richard Owlett (rowl...@cloud85.net):
> > I have 2 machines.
> > One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
> > One is Jessie with Mate DE.
> > Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set [TBD]
> > privileges.
> > Power on yields operating system.
> 
> Ok, that's clarified, I think, what you mean by DE. You want (I'm
> guessing) a machine to come up with its full Desktop Environment as if
> the user "myexperiments" had sat at the console and typed in their
> username and password.
> 
> I have no idea why you wrote "Power on yields operating system."
> (Unless you meant No BIOS Password and No Grub Password, so that
> linux itself boots when you power up.)

And that's the trivial part, the non trivial part is locking down the
browser and DE so that the rest of the system is inaccessible by the end
user.

I would search google about setting up a kiosk system.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Mailing lists, CC, followup-to, netiquette and all the rest [was: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer]

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 08:10:56PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 18 October 2015 19:55:58 Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 17:44:55 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 04:55:10PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

[...]

> tomas said:
> Yes, you are right about the CoC part. Still, if someone is picky about *not*
> being cc'ed, I'd consider it polite to at least do his/her part and express
> this wish with the headers in use for this purpose. At least *before* scolding
> others <:*)
> 
> Well, I am picky about not being cc'ed.  I have tried to be polite.  I have 
> asked tomas, who thinks I should do something in my headers, how to do it.   
> He tells me I can't.  So now I feel free to "scold others". 

Well, be fair :-) I said you can in most of the cases.

> The CoC says not to send cc's unless specifically requested.  It is not a lot 
> to ask that people should follow the CoC.  And I shall start following the 
> CoC and complaining, off list, every time, to everyone who cc's me.  Perhaps 
> then they will stop this pain of a practice.
> 
> It is perfectly reasonable that people should be asked to do one of three 
> things:
> 1) subscribe 
> or
> 2) read the archives 
> or
> 3) request a copy.

Don't take me wrong. I think its reasonable. But I think also we should try
to be gentle about it (and try to "fix" as much as possible on our sides).

That's all.

Regards
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Re: Bedrijfsadministratie

[Dirk Ruijne]

Frans,

Voor de administratie van de Volkstuinvereniging heb ik de applicatie
Gravita aangeschaft. Met name omdat incasso's nu met xml-files moeten
worden aangeboden aan de bank en dat met een spreadsheet misschien wel
kan, maar moeite opleverde.
Wat gedoe om het draaiende te krijgen op Wheezy 64-bit. Heb er daarna
wat mee gespeeld, maar nog niet veel ervaring mee opgedaan. Al wel de
incasso's er succesvol mee afgerond.
We sluiten ons boekjaar per 1-11 af, daarna ga ik beginnen met opzetten
van de eerste administratie.
Site: www.gravita.nl

Voor wat het waard is...

Groeten,


Dirk

Frans van Berckel schreef op zo 18-10-2015 om 21:57 [+0200]:
> Ken jij een handige Linux applicatie (desktop of server) waar je
> eenvoudig de bedrijfsadministratie van een éénmanszaak kan voeren. En
> als je der meer van weet, hoe doe jij dat dan?
> 
> Met vriendelijke groet,
> 
> 
> Frans van Berckel
> 

Re: deblan de 7.9 a 8.2

[Santiago Vila]

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 06:39:23PM +0200, Eduardo Rios wrote:

> ¿Quieres decir que "en teoría" se podría pasar de 7.9 a 8.2 sin tanto
> problema? Yo es que siempre he ido actualizando de versión a versión, sin
> dejar saltos, (7, 7.1, 7.2 ... 8, 8.1, 8.2) y no he tenido problemas.

Las actualizaciones no soportadas son las que se saltan "releases".
Por ejemplo, de squeeze a jessie (sin pasar por wheezy), o de wheezy a stretch
(sin pasar por jessie).

Pero es que todas las Debian 7.x son "pojnt releases" de wheezy y
todas las Debian 8.x son "point releases" jessie, por lo que de
cualquier Debian 7.x a cualquier Debian 8.x solamente hay un escalón y
no se considera que te estés saltando ninguna "release".

Aparte de eso, una vez que las actualizaciones de security.debian.org
se incorporan al jessie normal en una "point release" es casi
imposible actualizarse a Debian 8.0 como no sea usando un DVD
desactualizado.

Re: make system boot straight to browser connection

[David Wright]

Quoting Richard Owlett (rowl...@cloud85.net):
> David Wright wrote:
> >Quoting Richard Owlett (rowl...@cloud85.net):
> >>David Wright wrote:
> >>>[snip]
> >>>Were I to set up a machine at home to autologin, I would not want it
> >>>to login as me, nor root, nor anonymous. I would configure a user
> >>>called, say, "kiosk" and that would be my "choice of which user login
> >>>to auto-login as."
> >>>
> >>>IOW no choice has to be made each time you actually power-up the machine.
> >>
> >>How
> >>   Squeeze with Gnome2?
> >>   Jessie with Mate?
> >>
> >>The user name would be myexperiments. It would have minimal set of
> >>privileges.
> >
> >I don't know. I don't really understand your original question. It
> said "How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?" [snip]
> 
> I have 2 machines.
> One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
> One is Jessie with Mate DE.
> Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set [TBD]
> privileges.
> Power on yields operating system.

Ok, that's clarified, I think, what you mean by DE. You want (I'm
guessing) a machine to come up with its full Desktop Environment as if
the user "myexperiments" had sat at the console and typed in their
username and password.

I have no idea why you wrote "Power on yields operating system."
(Unless you meant No BIOS Password and No Grub Password, so that
linux itself boots when you power up.)

Because Mate tries to be like Gnome2 (AIUI), then the obvious option
for the same setup on both machines is to try to use the Legacy GDM
that Gnome2 used.

Have you tried that? What happened when you tried?

Indeed, have you tried anything, apart from the web search before you
posted? You seem to be very good at batting the suggestions that
people make in this thread, but that seems to be about all you do.

The rest of this posting consists of your contributions so far.

Cheers,
David.

--8<

09

How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?
http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=autologin=1
gave no relevant links.
A Google search gave only decade old or DE related links.
I currently use Mate, but exploring other desktops(avoiding Gnome 3!!!;}.
I'd like something similar to autoexec.bat from DOS/CPM days.

--

15

I received two suggestions, neither suitable:
1. nodm was recommended by the ??? who has publicly stated that he ignores
 how I phrase my questions.
2. runit was also suggested. I chased down a series of links but didn't see
 how to apply it to my preferences.
Prior to my post I had done a web search for "autologin". I did another with [I 
assume] slightly different criteria. I suspect "DE independence" may not be 
achievable.

--

16

ROFL! ;/
In https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg00423.html

You have jumped to confusion. I have yet to decide. The only thing I will say 
definitely is that I have yet to be pointed to something written *by systemd 
developers* directed to *end users* saying what benefit the _end user_ gains.
My current Linux machine has Debian 8.0 with Mate DE and maximum use of 
defaults:
  no printer drivers as no printer
  no networking as no network (local OR internet) physically present
I skipped Wheezy for two reasons:
  Gnome3 default UI was unusable
  systemd was/is terra igcognita.
I tried Jessie as:
Mate was available as standard choice [I don't wish to consider backports]
  systemd dust seemed to be settling

I've no relevant Android experience.

--

16

How
  Squeeze with Gnome2?
  Jessie with Mate?
The user name would be myexperiments. It would have minimal set of privileges.

--

18

I have 2 machines.
One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
One is Jessie with Mate DE.
Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set [TBD] privileges.
Power on yields operating system.

--

18

That command structure is either *MALICIOUS* or sign of terminal ignorance. 
Reading http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=apt-get suggests that
   "apt-get -s purge gdm"would be much more reasonable.
My Squeeze machine is physically unavailable.
However, previous experiments APPEAR to IMPLY answer  is gdm3.
Identical experiments run on Wheezy were a "flop". One reason I've ignored that 
release as it required effort to get running while not suggesting any benefits.

And just what might be  sic/(sick)?

--

Mensagem de erro Bluetooth

[Manoel Pedro de Araújo]

Olá amigo estou com um problema em meu Bluetooth. Nao consigo
fazer transferência de dados,

quando eu ligo meu pc aparece a mensagem: *Bluetooth hci0  hardware error
0x37*

Uso Debian8 com interface KDE

Ja atualizei o kernel e continua aparecendo a mesma mensagem.

Alguém sabe como resolver isso?

-- 
Manoel

Re: Warsaw

[Leonardo Rocha]

Devo concordar Samuel. Estou neste exato momento constatando essa
exigência da Caixa. É foda cara. Perdi um macete agora no latinoware
apresentado por um palestrando que mostra como acessar estes serviços
sem instalar nada destas porcarias. Vou procurar na programação pra ver
se acho o cara e peço dele o material que explica como fazer. É absurdo.



-- 
*Leonardo Rocha *
*Analista de Sistemas *
*GPG ID: 7E7D1FE2*
*GNU/Linux User: 586696*
Claro: (41) 8731-6868
Site: leonardorocha.eti.br 
Twitter: Leonardo Rocha 


On 18-10-2015 20:17, SamuelOPH wrote:
> Agora a Caixa também está pedindo a instalação do Warsaw.
>
> É galera, parece que a gente levou uma tranca legal desses bancos, não
> sei o que é pior, ter que instalar Java (da Oracle ainda por cima) ou
> o Warsaw.
>
> Na verdade o Warsaw é de longe o pior...
>
> Samuel Henrique O. P. [samueloph]
> Técnico em Informática - UTFPR [2012].
> Estudante de Engenharia de Computação - UTFPR.
>
> Em 16 de outubro de 2015 13:56, Rodrigo Germano de Paula
> > escreveu:
>
> Alguém está enfrentando problemas pra abrir o putty no windows com
> o plugin do BB instalado? Só consegui fazer funcionar aqui após
> renomear a pasta gbplugin via linux.
>
> *Rodrigo Germano de Paula*
> Técnico em Tecnologia da Informação
> IFB Campus Planaltina
> Contato: (61) 21962601
>
> Em 15 de outubro de 2015 23:45, Richard Antunes
> >
> escreveu:
>
> Boa noite amigos,
>
> Eu acho que deve ser isso que o Antônio disse. É bem provável.
>  
> *Richard Antunes*
> Tecnólogo em Metalurgia
>
>
>
> Em Quinta-feira, 15 de Outubro de 2015 9:44, Adiel de Lima
> Ribeiro  > escreveu:
>
>
> Srs, não sei se é o caso do Warsaw, mas alguns aplicativos
> bacunçam o
> sources.list do Debian.
> Tive problema com isso depios de instalar o Google Earth, o
> apt não
> atualizava mais o sistema.
> Segui as dicas da internet e blah blah blah, nada resolveu.
> Fiz um teste desinstalando o Google Earth e... problema resolvido.
>
> On 10/15/2015 09:35 AM, Antonio Terceiro wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 04:05:53AM +, Richard Antunes wrote:
> >> Olá Thiago,
> >> obrigado pela sua opinião.Eu achei estranho também o fato
> de só o "http//:ftp.debian.org "
> apresentar erro, os outros conectaram normalmente.
> > a versão desse negócio pra windows dava um problema com
> ipv6, se vc
> > estivesse numa rede ipv6 nativa vc não conseguia acessar
> outros sites
> > ipv6 ou algo assim. o nic.br  publicou um
> relato disso aí. como o
> > ftp.debian.org  tem um endereço ipv6,
> pode ser que a versão pra gnu/linux
> > também tenha um problema parecido.
>
>
> -- 
> Cordialmente,
> Adiel de Lima Ribeiro
> (31) 8961-5984 
> Pós Graduação em Administração de Redes Linux
> MCSA - Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [HS] Mystérieux (?) Firefox sans route IP par défaut

[Bruno M]

Bonsoir,

Peut-être une piste :
Désactiver l'IPv6 dans Firefox. Tapez *about:config* dans la barre
d'adresse et à l'option *network.dns.disableIPv6* mettez la valeur sur
*True*.  Relancer le navigateur.

cordialement,

Bruno


Le 17/10/2015 21:36, Alexandre Hoïde a écrit :
>   @<
>
>   Y'aurait-il une personne, dans la salle, qui aurait l'amabilité de
> m'expliquer un comportement mystérieux à mes yeux ?
>
>   Quand mon système se retrouve sans route IP par défaut (parce que j'ai
> ifup ethernet avant de ifdown le wifi [et vice-versa] par exemple) :
> $ ip r
> 169.254.0.0/16 dev enp4s0  scope link  metric 1000 
> 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp4s0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.101 
>
>   Sous iceweasel, je ne peux atteindre que certains sites, par exemple :
> * google.com, debian.org, wikipedia.org fonctionnent ;
> * lemonde.fr, cnn.com -> Firefox ne peut établir de connexion avec le
>   serveur à l'adresse … (idem en utilisant l'adresse IP) ;
> * www.epfl.ch ne s'affiche que partiellement [pas de ressources : images, css,
>   etc.].
>
>   Il suffit que je rajoute la route par défaut manuellement pour que
> tout rentre dans l'ordre :
>   $ sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 enp4s0
>   $ ip r
>   default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp4s0 
>   169.254.0.0/16 dev enp4s0  scope link  metric 1000 
>   192.168.1.0/24 dev enp4s0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.101 
>
>   … mais dans ma tête, la perplexité règne ! Pourquoi est-ce que ça
> marche encore (déjà), mais partiellement (en plus) ?
>

Re: make system boot straight to browser connection

[Brian]

On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 08:10:54 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> David Wright wrote:
> >
> >I don't know. I don't really understand your original question. It
> said "How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?" [snip]
> 
> I have 2 machines.
> One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
> One is Jessie with Mate DE.
> Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set [TBD]
> privileges.
> Power on yields operating system.

Squeeze Gnome2 is probably using gdm. What is the output of

  apt-get purge gdm

I do not know what Jessie Mate uses. What is the output of

  apt-get purge 

Re: Mailing lists, CC, followup-to, netiquette and all the rest [was: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer]

[Brian]

On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 17:44:55 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 04:55:10PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> > I'd also like the copy to the list to land in my list folder, not be 
> > discarded.
> 
> The ultimate feature is just a duplicate filter (a couple of lines of
> procmail). You'll have to configure the "mail sorter" (you're probably
> using KMail) accoringly, because probably the "copy for you" will
> arrive earlier.

Isn't this the essence of the problem? The couple of lines of procmail
will put the first mail ("copy for you") in the inbox. The actual list
mail will probably be disposed of.
 
> See this thread in... debian-user[1], of all things (from 2003) where
> our ancestors hashed this out already (with some recipes). Just ask if
> you decide to use procmail (I am, alas, a KMail analphabet myself).
> 
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg05065.html

There is nothing there which I can see ensures the list mail ends up in
the list folder,

[deb-cat] peinddd 2015.10.17

[Narcis Garcia]

Aquests dies he estat revisant aquesta eina d'automatització i
personalització d'instal·lacions, per noves necessitats sobre
escriptoris Debian 8.

N'he publicat una nova versió, que ja feia falta:
www.actiu.net/peinddd

«peinddd és un programa pensat per aplicar un perfil global
d’instal·lació, composat de petits perfils d’instal·lació per cada
aplicació. Cada tasca concreta (perfil) implica els paquets a ser
instal·lats i les accions a emprendre, i en un nivell superior, composeu
la llista de tasques a realitzar en tot el procés.

És ideal per instal·lacions massives a diferents equips que es posen a
punt per producció»

Re: [HS] Mystérieux (?) Firefox sans route IP par défaut

[Alexandre Hoïde]

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 08:17:39PM +0200, Bruno M wrote:
> Bonsoir,

  Salut Bruno et merci. 

> Peut-être une piste :
> Désactiver l'IPv6 dans Firefox. Tapez *about:config* dans la barre
> d'adresse et à l'option *network.dns.disableIPv6* mettez la valeur sur
> *True*.  Relancer le navigateur.

  En l'occurrence, le comportement observé était du au fait que le
routage IPv6 fonctionnait (ce que j'ignorais alors), contrairement à
celui d'IPv4. Si bien que la désactivation des requêtes de Firefox pour
l'obtention d'adresses IPv6 aurait probablement empêché l'accès à certains
sites IPv6, alors que d'autres auraient été accessibles grâce au cache
Firefox(?) et/ou DNS… ce qui n'aurait pas manqué de me plonger dans une
perplexité plus grande encore. ^^

  Mais tout est bien, et si la question t'intrigue aussi, les réponses
se trouvent au fil… du fil.

  \o/

> 
> cordialement,
> 
> Bruno
> 
> 
> Le 17/10/2015 21:36, Alexandre Hoïde a écrit :
> >   @<
> >
> >   Y'aurait-il une personne, dans la salle, qui aurait l'amabilité de
> > m'expliquer un comportement mystérieux à mes yeux ?
> >
> >   Quand mon système se retrouve sans route IP par défaut (parce que j'ai
> > ifup ethernet avant de ifdown le wifi [et vice-versa] par exemple) :
> > $ ip r
> > 169.254.0.0/16 dev enp4s0  scope link  metric 1000 
> > 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp4s0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.101 
> >
> >   Sous iceweasel, je ne peux atteindre que certains sites, par exemple :
> > * google.com, debian.org, wikipedia.org fonctionnent ;
> > * lemonde.fr, cnn.com -> Firefox ne peut établir de connexion avec le
> >   serveur à l'adresse … (idem en utilisant l'adresse IP) ;
> > * www.epfl.ch ne s'affiche que partiellement [pas de ressources : images, 
> > css,
> >   etc.].
> >
> >   Il suffit que je rajoute la route par défaut manuellement pour que
> > tout rentre dans l'ordre :
> >   $ sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 enp4s0
> >   $ ip r
> >   default via 192.168.1.1 dev enp4s0 
> >   169.254.0.0/16 dev enp4s0  scope link  metric 1000 
> >   192.168.1.0/24 dev enp4s0  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.101 
> >
> >   … mais dans ma tête, la perplexité règne ! Pourquoi est-ce que ça
> > marche encore (déjà), mais partiellement (en plus) ?
> >
> 

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Re: Mailing lists, CC, followup-to, netiquette and all the rest [was: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer]

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 October 2015 19:55:58 Brian wrote:
> On Sun 18 Oct 2015 at 17:44:55 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 04:55:10PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > I'd also like the copy to the list to land in my list folder, not be
> > > discarded.
> >
> > The ultimate feature is just a duplicate filter (a couple of lines of
> > procmail). You'll have to configure the "mail sorter" (you're probably
> > using KMail) accoringly, because probably the "copy for you" will
> > arrive earlier.
>
> Isn't this the essence of the problem? The couple of lines of procmail
> will put the first mail ("copy for you") in the inbox. The actual list
> mail will probably be disposed of.

Yes, it is.

> > See this thread in... debian-user[1], of all things (from 2003) where
> > our ancestors hashed this out already (with some recipes). Just ask if
> > you decide to use procmail (I am, alas, a KMail analphabet myself).
> >
> > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg05065.html
>
> There is nothing there which I can see ensures the list mail ends up in
> the list folder,

tomas said:
Yes, you are right about the CoC part. Still, if someone is picky about *not*
being cc'ed, I'd consider it polite to at least do his/her part and express
this wish with the headers in use for this purpose. At least *before* scolding
others <:*)

Well, I am picky about not being cc'ed.  I have tried to be polite.  I have 
asked tomas, who thinks I should do something in my headers, how to do it.   
He tells me I can't.  So now I feel free to "scold others". 

The CoC says not to send cc's unless specifically requested.  It is not a lot 
to ask that people should follow the CoC.  And I shall start following the 
CoC and complaining, off list, every time, to everyone who cc's me.  Perhaps 
then they will stop this pain of a practice.

It is perfectly reasonable that people should be asked to do one of three 
things:
1) subscribe 
or
2) read the archives 
or
3) request a copy.

Lisi

Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Terence]

Hi, Russ,

FWIW I run Debian without problems on my eeePC.

Terence

On 17 October 2015 at 18:30, deloptes  wrote:

>
> >
> > The more I consider the liabilities of a "smartphone", the more I think
> > that my need for mobile Internet access best would be served by  a very
> > small PC and a G4 cellular modem; and that my need for mobile telephone
> > can best be served by my old flip-open cellular phone.
> >
> > I just now remembered the Asus eeePC.  Those can run Debian, can they
> not?
> >  If so, that may be the solution.  And the combination of an eeePc and G4
> > modem may be less expensive than is a smartphone.
> >
> > Russ
>
> Try Jolla
> https://jolla.com/jolla/
>
> This will be my next phone definitely - I'm now still at Nokia N9.
> Jolla is debian and sailfish
>
> regards
>
>

Re: [HS] Mystérieux (?) Firefox sans route IP par défaut

[Pascal Hambourg]

Alexandre Hoïde a écrit :
> 
>$ nslookup -q= 
> 
>   Bon ok, c'était déjà une certitude, mais le coup du « -q= » c'est
> toujours bon à prendre pour les dilettantes comme moi.

Plus simple : la commande "host" fait par défaut des requêtes de type A
(adresse IPv4),  (adresse IPv6) et MX (serveur de mail).

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 05:24:10AM +, Fredrik Jonson wrote:
> Michael Biebl wrote:
> 
> >  Am 16.10.2015 um 19:05 schrieb Fredrik Jonson:
> > 
> > >  If in doubt, do install this package.
> >
> >   Did you maybe misread that as
> >  "If in doubt, do *not* install this package".
> 
> Yes I did. I don't know how many times I've read that sentence, and clearly 
> saw
> a _not_ in there. Interesting.

Weird, I think I (mis)read it that way as well. Better would be
'If in doubt, install this package.'

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[rlharris]

On Sun, October 18, 2015 2:23 am, Terence wrote:
> FWIW I run Debian without problems on my eeePC.

Terrence, would you kindly tell me the model or series number?  The ones
which I found in stock are "EeeBook X205".

Russ

Re: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 10:58:00PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 17 October 2015 19:38:02 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Or do as me and configure your procmail to discard duplicates. Works
> > like a charm.
> 
> No doubt due to my inability to configure KMail correctly it is a * 
> nuisance.  It delivers the private one and discards the one to the list.  
> This is a confounded nuisance.  And contrary to Debian Mailing List CoC .  We 
> are supposed to cc only if expressly requested to do so.

Yeah, but the silly thing is that the list is open; anyone can post to
it, but you only get a reply if you are subscribed.

It's been discussed before, and it seems the consensus is that the onus
is on the original poster to hunt down the replies via the archives or
via google. I honestly don't think many people would do that and more
likely think they are being ignored which means ditching Debian for
something else particularly if it was an installation problem.

Most of us tend to know the regulars on this list and know not to CC
them on replies but in the case of where you are not sure and the post
seems like it's comming from a newcomer it makes more sense to CC them.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sat, 2015-10-17 at 16:29 -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
> On Sat, October 17, 2015 3:22 pm, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> > No problem!
> > I have the first generation EeePC, which I would happily give away,
> > but
> > I doubt you plan on visiting Sweden anytime soon? ;)
> 
> Your offer is gracious, Sven.
> 
> However, I just found an outfit which has a few eeePC in stock, at
> about
> US$225; the product series is EeeBook X205, with 32Gbyte flash
> memory. 
> Would one of these be suitable?  I can send you the URL.

Unfortunately the only experience I have with Eee is the very first
generation, 701, those actually shipped with Linux. 

Now, it seems the Eee family have expanded, so I have no experience
beyond that.

If that is the same as the X205TA it seems to have issues:
https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA



This is off-topic, but as you work from you car a lot, have you tried
this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Portable-desk-Steering-Wheel-Multi-Tray-Stand-Work-Dining-Table-Fit-SUV-/261449837514?hash=item3cdf9febca:m:mBMDM9Y7atlEfK7HiuoCILQ=mtr

I have a friend of a friend who does and he swears by them (when he's
parked, not driving obviously!)

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5





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Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Petter Adsen]

On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:29:31 -0500
rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:

> On Sat, October 17, 2015 3:22 pm, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> > No problem!
> > I have the first generation EeePC, which I would happily give away, but
> > I doubt you plan on visiting Sweden anytime soon? ;)  
> 
> Your offer is gracious, Sven.
> 
> However, I just found an outfit which has a few eeePC in stock, at about
> US$225; the product series is EeeBook X205, with 32Gbyte flash memory. 
> Would one of these be suitable?  I can send you the URL.

A very quick web search tells me that people have gotten Ubuntu running
on this with a little hacking, but that you need a 4.0 kernel for wifi
and sound does not work at all. There is also a page for it on the
Debian wiki, that seems to indicate you can get Jessie running:

https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/X205TA

> > Have you considered liberating a Chromebook?  
> 
> The same outfit has in stock a large number of Lenovo Chromebook N21, with
> ChomeOS and 16Gbyte solid-state drive, at US$200.  (11.8in x 8.5in versus
> 11.3in x 7.6in for the eeePC)

Well, what I can find tells me that running some sort of Linux in a
chroot should be pretty straightforward, but that is probably not what
you want. To run a full, standard Linux distribution such as Debian, you
would need to open the machine up to remove a jumper or a screw, flash
the firmware, and cross your fingers - this will also remove the
ability to boot ChromeOS. The following link sums it up:

https://www.reddit.com/r/chrubuntu/comments/3dkk9n/help_anyone_have_experience_with_the_lenovo_n21/

Even if you do all that, I can't find anything that says everything
_will_ work correctly, just that it _should_.

Petter

-- 
"I'm ionized"
"Are you sure?"
"I'm positive."

Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[cont...@baal.fr]

bonjour,

pareil clamav pour les sites web et les dossiers de sharing genre 
teamspeak etc


par-contre je savais pas qu'il y avait des signatures non officiels pour 
clamav


Le 18/10/2015 02:09, Frederic MASSOT a écrit :

Le 17/10/2015 20:28, Alex PADOLY a écrit :

Bonsoir à tous,

Quelle solution utilisez-vous pour protéger votre station, votre serveur
ou encore laptop des virus ou autres programmes nuisibles.

L'article du lien suivant propose une piste de réflexion:

http://open-source.developpez.com/actu/90839/Les-antivirus-pour-Linux-sont-ils-efficaces- 



Je souhaiterai utiliser Clamav mais le comparatif ne plaide pas en sa
faveur.


Sur les serveurs de messagerie Clamav et surtout des sources de 
signatures variées comme le paquet clamav-unofficial-sigs.


Sur les serveurs web Clamav plus les signatures de 
clamav-unofficial-sigs et maldet pour faire tourner le tout : 
https://www.rfxn.com/projects/linux-malware-detect/

Mailing lists, CC, followup-to, netiquette and all the rest [was: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer]

[tomas]

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[...]

We are seriously off-topic by now. I'd propose to take this off-list.
It has been hashed out to death numerous times and the result has
always been well, duh, opinions differ.

> You mean *this* Mail-Followup-To?
> 
> http://paul.jakma.org/2009/07/08/mail-followup-to-considered-harmful/
> 
> Thanks, but no. Reply-To should be sufficient.

Just because some bloke on the Internet shares your taste it doesn't
mean he shares mine.

Regards
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Re: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer

[tomas]

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On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 10:58:00PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 17 October 2015 19:38:02 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Or do as me and configure your procmail to discard duplicates. Works
> > like a charm.
> 
> No doubt due to my inability to configure KMail correctly it is a * 
> nuisance.  It delivers the private one and discards the one to the list.  
> This is a confounded nuisance.  And contrary to Debian Mailing List CoC .  We 
> are supposed to cc only if expressly requested to do so.

Procmail does a wonderful job of that.

Yes, you are right about the CoC part. Still, if someone is picky about *not*
being cc'ed, I'd consider it polite to at least do his/her part and express
this wish with the headers in use for this purpose. At least *before* scolding
others <:*)

But harmful and that.

Regards
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Re: what list to umail for this bug?

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 09:26:16AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> I have an acer aspire 5003 notebook I tried installing the debian firmware
> distro on since it only has wifi communication capability for now.  The
> firmware disk acted like it didn't have any firmware drivers on it when it
> got down to detecting the network.  In reality I had a usb rt2780 wifi
> adapter connected to that laptop.
> When I used the debian firmware disk to install on the amd k8 athelon tower
> I have the installation worked.  Post-install though I couldn't bring up the
> network at all.  I'm using my tower now with talkingarch installed on it
> since I was able to use netctl and wifi-menu on talkingarch to bring the
> wifi network up and keep it working.  I have done rather extensive web
> searching and haven't found anything that quite describes my experiences so
> far with debian and what to do post-install since dmesg on the tower claimed
> the network link wasn't ready.

I'd suggest the debian-boot list.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[maderios]

On 10/17/2015 08:28 PM, Alex PADOLY wrote:

Quelle solution utilisez-vous pour protéger votre station, votre serveur
ou encore laptop des virus ou autres programmes nuisibles.

Bonjour
Ne communiquant pas avec des systèmes windows, je n'utilise aucun 
antivirus pour protéger ces windows d'une éventuelle transmission de 
virus. Concernant les rootkits et "autres éventuelles attaques", j'ai 
installé et configuré SELINUX.
Concernant l'efficacité de SELINUX, j'ai une tablette android MeMO Pad 7 
(ME572C) protégée par ce système de sécurité. J'ai essayé de la rooter 
par tous les moyens possibles, y compris des programmes exotiques 
destinés à casser les défenses d'un android. A mon grand désespoir, je 
n'y suis jamais arrivé. Je regrette que Debian, contrairement à d'autres 
distrib (ex fedora)  n'installe pas par défaut selinux.

--
Maderios

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 09:10:09AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> 
> How about,
> 
> When in doubt, definitely install this package.
> 
> or, to guide the reader more carefully,
> 
> This package is installed by default. Unless you have a very good
> reason and know what you are doing, leave it that way.

Unless I'm missing something, they conflict. If it's installed by
default, there would be no need for the first instruction at all.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: impending disk failure?

[Dominique Dumont]

On Saturday 17 October 2015 12:47:36 Miles Fidelman wrote:
> For a lot of drives, the first line - raw read errors, can be very telling -
> anything other than 0, and your disk is failing.

Sorry, the FAQ [1] on smartmontools.org does not agree with your statement:

* What details can be interpreted from Raw read error rate?
  If no documentation is available, the RAW value of attribute 1 is typically 
useless. 
 The 48-bit field might encode several values, try -v 1,hex48 to check. 

All the best

[1] 
http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/FAQ#WhatdetailscanbeinterpretedfromRawreaderrorrate
-- 
 https://github.com/dod38fr/   -o- http://search.cpan.org/~ddumont/
http://ddumont.wordpress.com/  -o-   irc: dod at irc.debian.org

Re: Mailing lists, CC, followup-to, netiquette and all the rest [was: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer]

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 08:27:21 +0200
 wrote:

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> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 11:54:27PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> We are seriously off-topic by now. I'd propose to take this off-list.
> It has been hashed out to death numerous times and the result has
> always been well, duh, opinions differ.
> 
> > You mean *this* Mail-Followup-To?
> > 
> > http://paul.jakma.org/2009/07/08/mail-followup-to-considered-harmful/
> > 
> > Thanks, but no. Reply-To should be sufficient.
> 
> Just because some bloke on the Internet shares your taste it doesn't
> mean he shares mine.

True. The only problem is - this very e-mail I'm replying to does not
contain Mail-Followup-To nor Followup-To :) Without a doubt it must be
related to your mutt or postfix configuration somehow.

Recp

Re: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer

[tomas]

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On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 06:12:53PM -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
> On Sat, October 17, 2015 4:58 pm, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > And contrary to Debian Mailing List CoC ...
> 
> Speaking of the Code of Conduct, a matter of much greater import is a
> severe constraint which is being forced upon e-mail users in general by
> the stupid and widespread practice of (1) associating an e-mail account
> with a cellular telephone number and (2) configuring so-called
> "smartphones" to sound an alert when a e-mail is received.

E-mail has never been in the interest of Big Corp: it's fairly
decentralized, has stable, open standards which are not totally
decommoditized[1] and it kinda works. Can't be really monetized
(at least not with a high margin).

You'll see Big Corp trying to (and perhaps succeeding in) kill e-mail,
starting by implementing horrendous clients (Outlook, anyone) and
MTAs (won't name names here). This very company is running around
my employer (a biggish company too) croaking "Mail is dead!" "Use Tah
Cloud!". Well, duh.

The case you mention above is just another brick in this wall.

Regards

[1] http://www.levien.com/free/decommoditizing.html

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Re: impending disk failure?

[Himanshu Shekhar]

Hi!
You can use Disk Utility (gnome-disks / udisks) and check your hard drive
for errors, or bad sectors.
That seems to be simple enough!

Regards
Himanshu Shekhar
IIIT-Allahabad
IRM2015006

Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

[Fredrik Jonson]

Brian wrote:
>  On Sat 17 Oct 2015 at 13:29:48 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> 
> > We might also consider bumping the prio of libpam-systemd to standard,
> > as Ansgar suggested. That means, it would be installed by default,
> > unless you explicitly deselect the standard task in d-i.
> 
>  [priority] standard
> 
>  These packages provide a reasonably small but not too limited
>  *character-mode* system.
> 
>  Unless I am misunderstanding something, libpam-systemd has a focus on
>  non-character-mode systems.

Maybe. Though this thread shows that libpam-systemd solves at least one common
use case on character-mode only systems too.

The installed size of libpam-systemd plus dbus is 1.2 MB. Is that too much for
priority standard?

-- 
Fredrik Jonson

Re: deblan de 7.9 a 8.2

[Manolo Díaz]

El domingo, 18 de octubre de 2015 a las 04:38 UTC
Fabián Bonetti escribió:

> Bueno hacer el dlstupgrade del deblan 7.9 a 8.2 me recordo a las
> vers1ones de ubuntu.
> 
> Tuve muchos problemas.
> 
> Xorg
> 
> gdm3
> 
> y ahora se me llena el dlsco duro... no solo a mi he visto a otro en
> interet quejandoce que se llena el discoduro de cosas
> en /var/log/message etc y anda saber por donde mas se llena

Vamos, que ni siquiera le han echado un vistazo para ver qué lo llena,
¿no? 
 
> Es mi oplnion personal... pero recomlendo no hacer el salto.
> 
> Es mas hasta vl una pantalla al remover systemd que para removerlo
> debla poner una frase absurda o no se removla.

Usa esa estrategia para asegurarse de que no procedes sin haber
comprendido el peligro potencial que conlleva, que no respondes
automáticamente sin leer ni pensar.

-- 
Manolo Díaz

Re: [deb-cat] Trobada 2015

[Mònica Ramírez Arceda]

Narcis Garcia  writes:

> A Girona s'està intentant quedar pel dissabte vinent, 24 d'octubre, on
> suposo que es proposarà una nova trobada comuna Debian-Catalan.

Perfecte! Doncs ja ens direu alguna cosa :-)
Moltes gràcies per tot!

Re: what list to umail for this bug?

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 10/18/15, Chris Bannister  wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 09:26:16AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> I have an acer aspire 5003 notebook I tried installing the debian
>> firmware
>> distro on since it only has wifi communication capability for now.  The
>> firmware disk acted like it didn't have any firmware drivers on it when
>> it
>> got down to detecting the network.  In reality I had a usb rt2780 wifi
>> adapter connected to that laptop.
>> When I used the debian firmware disk to install on the amd k8 athelon
>> tower
>> I have the installation worked.  Post-install though I couldn't bring up
>> the
>> network at all.  I'm using my tower now with talkingarch installed on it
>> since I was able to use netctl and wifi-menu on talkingarch to bring the
>> wifi network up and keep it working.  I have done rather extensive web
>> searching and haven't found anything that quite describes my experiences
>> so
>> far with debian and what to do post-install since dmesg on the tower
>> claimed
>> the network link wasn't ready.
>
> I'd suggest the debian-boot list.


You saying that made me realize it might be a good time to go back and
remind myself what lists are available. For anyone else interested,
they're found here:

https://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html

For newcomers to that feature, there's a *no pain*, one click
accomplishes the task "Report as s p am* button on the right top
corner of each message in case you find anything that slipped through
filters.

Cindy :)

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Himanshu Shekhar]

I don't think that the Debian User Mailing List is for Smartphone related
discussions!
You should have some other mailing list made for you !
No offence!

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Renaud OLGIATI <
ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 19:49:10 -0500
> rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Renaud; that is what I hoped to hear -- that the EeePC actually
> > can do GoogleEarth -- because I do have occasional need for GE while out
> > on the road.
>
> Snap !
>
> > In a previous post I mentioned that I found a retailer who still has a
> few
> > EeeBook X205 in stock, but nothing else small except a Lenovo N21
> > ChromeBook which has a 16Gbyte solid-state drive, and 4Gbytes of RAM.
>
> Look up Ebay for "eeepc"; plenty there, from $45 up.
>
> > I am not familiar with the various EeePC models which have been produced;
> > all I know is that the X205 has a 1366x768 display, an Intel Atom
> > processor, 32Gbytes of flash, and 2Gbytes of RAM.
>
> The one I use is the lowly 4G, 512 kb RAM, which is why I use MX-14; found
> Debian sluggish on that box.
>
> > I know Debian fairly well, but I do not have the time and energy to learn
> > another operating system such as MX-14.
>
> Not difficult, and easy to use as it includes a gaggle of graphical
> configuration progs; I find it easier than Debian, and would switch my
> desktop box to it if they had a 64bits version.
>
> Highly recommended for older 32bits hardware.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
> --
> Individualists, unite!
>
>-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
>
>
>


-- 
Regards
Himanshu Shekhar
IIIT-Allahabad
IRM2015006

Re: Debian on netbooks: was Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 10/18/15, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> On Sunday 18 October 2015 13:31:03 Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
>> I don't think that the Debian User Mailing List is for Smartphone related
>> discussions!
>> You should have some other mailing list made for you !
>> No offence!
>
> What netbooks are suitable for Debian, and run it well, in addition to
> fulfilling other criteria, seems to me to be entirely on topic for the
> Debian
> mailing list.


The rest was snipped because this is all I needed, grin. I agree. A
LOT of it is universal. ONCE in a while it gets very specific but I
rarely see that here. Things that don't apply or that remain beyond my
comprehension, I simply delete and hope that some tickle of
information remains as the whole Debian picture continues to come
together in my own Mind. :)

Cindy :)

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: what list to umail for this bug?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 October 2015 14:36:28 Richard Owlett wrote:
> Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 18 October 2015 13:32:14 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> >> For newcomers to that feature, there's a *no pain*, one click
> >> accomplishes the task "Report as s p am* button on the right top
> >> corner of each message in case you find anything that slipped through
> >> filters.
> >
> > What email client?  Screenshot, please!  I can't see any such button.
> >
> > Mind you, if I were better at seeing things I wouldn't carry a white
> > stick. ;-)
> >
> > Lisi
>
>  You had snipped a key piece of implied context.
>
> Ms. Causey had referred to
> https://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html .
> So it seems reasonable to infer that a page similar to
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00903.html was he
> reference.

Ah!  Thank you.

Lisi

Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Ron]

On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 19:49:10 -0500
rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:

> Thanks, Renaud; that is what I hoped to hear -- that the EeePC actually
> can do GoogleEarth -- because I do have occasional need for GE while out
> on the road.

Snap !
 
> In a previous post I mentioned that I found a retailer who still has a few
> EeeBook X205 in stock, but nothing else small except a Lenovo N21
> ChromeBook which has a 16Gbyte solid-state drive, and 4Gbytes of RAM.

Look up Ebay for "eeepc"; plenty there, from $45 up.

> I am not familiar with the various EeePC models which have been produced;
> all I know is that the X205 has a 1366x768 display, an Intel Atom
> processor, 32Gbytes of flash, and 2Gbytes of RAM.

The one I use is the lowly 4G, 512 kb RAM, which is why I use MX-14; found 
Debian sluggish on that box.

> I know Debian fairly well, but I do not have the time and energy to learn
> another operating system such as MX-14.

Not difficult, and easy to use as it includes a gaggle of graphical 
configuration progs; I find it easier than Debian, and would switch my desktop 
box to it if they had a 64bits version.

Highly recommended for older 32bits hardware.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
Individualists, unite!

   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

Re: make system boot straight to browser connection

[Richard Owlett]

David Wright wrote:

Quoting Richard Owlett (rowl...@cloud85.net):

David Wright wrote:

[snip]
Were I to set up a machine at home to autologin, I would not want it
to login as me, nor root, nor anonymous. I would configure a user
called, say, "kiosk" and that would be my "choice of which user login
to auto-login as."

IOW no choice has to be made each time you actually power-up the machine.


How
   Squeeze with Gnome2?
   Jessie with Mate?

The user name would be myexperiments. It would have minimal set of
privileges.


I don't know. I don't really understand your original question. It

said "How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?" [snip]

I have 2 machines.
One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
One is Jessie with Mate DE.
Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set 
[TBD] privileges.

Power on yields operating system.

Re: what list to umail for this bug?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 October 2015 13:32:14 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> For newcomers to that feature, there's a *no pain*, one click
> accomplishes the task "Report as s p am* button on the right top
> corner of each message in case you find anything that slipped through
> filters.

What email client?  Screenshot, please!  I can't see any such button.  

Mind you, if I were better at seeing things I wouldn't carry a white 
stick. ;-)

Lisi

Re: make system boot straight to browser connection

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 October 2015 14:10:54 Richard Owlett wrote:
> David Wright wrote:
> > Quoting Richard Owlett (rowl...@cloud85.net):
> >> David Wright wrote:
> >>> [snip]
> >>> Were I to set up a machine at home to autologin, I would not want it
> >>> to login as me, nor root, nor anonymous. I would configure a user
> >>> called, say, "kiosk" and that would be my "choice of which user login
> >>> to auto-login as."
> >>>
> >>> IOW no choice has to be made each time you actually power-up the
> >>> machine.
> >>
> >> How
> >>Squeeze with Gnome2?
> >>Jessie with Mate?
> >>
> >> The user name would be myexperiments. It would have minimal set of
> >> privileges.
> >
> > I don't know. I don't really understand your original question. It
>
> said "How to do an autologin? In a DE independent way?" [snip]
>
> I have 2 machines.
> One is Squeeze with Gnome2 DE.
> One is Jessie with Mate DE.
> Desired user name to be "myexperiments" having a minimal set
> [TBD] privileges.
> Power on yields operating system.

Now I *really* don't understand. :-(

Lisi

Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[Alex PADOLY]

 

Bonjour, 

Faut-il avoir une certaine compétence pour paramétrer
SELINUX, effectivement DEBIAN ne l'installe pas en standard.


Cordialement. 

Le 2015-10-18 08:20, maderios a écrit : 

> On
10/17/2015 08:28 PM, Alex PADOLY wrote:
> 
>> Quelle solution
utilisez-vous pour protéger votre station, votre serveur ou encore
laptop des virus ou autres programmes nuisibles.
> 
> Bonjour
> Ne
communiquant pas avec des systèmes windows, je n'utilise aucun 
>
antivirus pour protéger ces windows d'une éventuelle transmission de 
>
virus. Concernant les rootkits et "autres éventuelles attaques", j'ai 
>
installé et configuré SELINUX.
> Concernant l'efficacité de SELINUX,
j'ai une tablette android MeMO Pad 7 
> (ME572C) protégée par ce système
de sécurité. J'ai essayé de la rooter 
> par tous les moyens possibles,
y compris des programmes exotiques 
> destinés à casser les défenses
d'un android. A mon grand désespoir, je 
> n'y suis jamais arrivé. Je
regrette que Debian, contrairement à d'autres 
> distrib (ex fedora)
n'installe pas par défaut selinux.

 

Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[Ro Bo]

Bonjour!

Si tu te sens à l'aise avec la page suivante c'est pour toi:

https://debian-handbook.info/browse/fr-FR/stable/sect.selinux.html

Bonne lecture

**

Le 2015-10-18 09:20, Alex PADOLY a écrit :


Bonjour,

Faut-il avoir une certaine compétence pour paramétrer SELINUX, 
effectivement DEBIAN ne l'installe pas en standard.


Cordialement.

Le 2015-10-18 08:20, maderios a écrit :


On 10/17/2015 08:28 PM, Alex PADOLY wrote:
Quelle solution utilisez-vous pour protéger votre station, votre 
serveur ou encore laptop des virus ou autres programmes nuisibles.

Bonjour
Ne communiquant pas avec des systèmes windows, je n'utilise aucun
antivirus pour protéger ces windows d'une éventuelle transmission de
virus. Concernant les rootkits et "autres éventuelles attaques", j'ai
installé et configuré SELINUX.
Concernant l'efficacité de SELINUX, j'ai une tablette android MeMO Pad 7
(ME572C) protégée par ce système de sécurité. J'ai essayé de la rooter
par tous les moyens possibles, y compris des programmes exotiques
destinés à casser les défenses d'un android. A mon grand désespoir, je
n'y suis jamais arrivé. Je regrette que Debian, contrairement à d'autres
distrib (ex fedora)  n'installe pas par défaut selinux.

Re: what list to umail for this bug?

[Richard Owlett]

Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Sunday 18 October 2015 13:32:14 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:

For newcomers to that feature, there's a *no pain*, one click
accomplishes the task "Report as s p am* button on the right top
corner of each message in case you find anything that slipped through
filters.


What email client?  Screenshot, please!  I can't see any such button.

Mind you, if I were better at seeing things I wouldn't carry a white
stick. ;-)

Lisi




 You had snipped a key piece of implied context.

Ms. Causey had referred to 
https://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html .

So it seems reasonable to infer that a page similar to
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00903.html was he 
reference.

Re: No monitor in GNOME Control Center - Color

[Pascal Obry]

Just for information. I've found that only the primary screen is not
listed. Secondary monitors are listed (I have tested this on two
different machines).
 
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  http://v2p.fr.eu.org
  http://www.obry.net

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is there a way to tell apt to accept expired keys.

[peter green]

Is there a way to tell apt to accept expired keys? googling it I only 
find either instructions to download updated keys or instructions to 
disable GPG verification completely.


In the case I just ran into I was able to find an updated version of the 
key with a later expiry but i'd like to know for the future if there is 
a way to tell apt to accept the expired key.

Debian on netbooks: was Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 October 2015 13:31:03 Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
> I don't think that the Debian User Mailing List is for Smartphone related
> discussions!
> You should have some other mailing list made for you !
> No offence!

What netbooks are suitable for Debian, and run it well, in addition to 
fulfilling other criteria, seems to me to be entirely on topic for the Debian 
mailing list.  

Or did your top-posting (deprecated) and lack of trimming (also deprecated) 
lead to your not actually reading the email to which you were ostensibly 
replying?

I have done no trimming so that you can belatedly see what the email actually 
said.   Besides, I trim very badly.  It is not an art I have mastered. :-(

As you see, nowhere does it mention smartphones.  The subject line should 
perhaps have been edited.  I have now edited it.  Gmail users will see this 
as a new thread.  It isn't, but Gmail is a law unto itself.

Lisi


>o
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Renaud OLGIATI <
>
> ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 19:49:10 -0500
> >
> > rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
> > > Thanks, Renaud; that is what I hoped to hear -- that the EeePC actually
> > > can do GoogleEarth -- because I do have occasional need for GE while
> > > out on the road.
> >
> > Snap !
> >
> > > In a previous post I mentioned that I found a retailer who still has a
> >
> > few
> >
> > > EeeBook X205 in stock, but nothing else small except a Lenovo N21
> > > ChromeBook which has a 16Gbyte solid-state drive, and 4Gbytes of RAM.
> >
> > Look up Ebay for "eeepc"; plenty there, from $45 up.
> >
> > > I am not familiar with the various EeePC models which have been
> > > produced; all I know is that the X205 has a 1366x768 display, an Intel
> > > Atom processor, 32Gbytes of flash, and 2Gbytes of RAM.
> >
> > The one I use is the lowly 4G, 512 kb RAM, which is why I use MX-14;
> > found Debian sluggish on that box.
> >
> > > I know Debian fairly well, but I do not have the time and energy to
> > > learn another operating system such as MX-14.
> >
> > Not difficult, and easy to use as it includes a gaggle of graphical
> > configuration progs; I find it easier than Debian, and would switch my
> > desktop box to it if they had a 64bits version.
> >
> > Highly recommended for older 32bits hardware.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ron.
> > --
> > Individualists, unite!
> >
> >-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --

success with Jessie 8.1.0 + Xfce on an early Lenovo S205 Ideapad

[rlharris]

Using the official Debian 8.1.0-amd64-netinst image dated 20150606-14:16
copied to a usb flash stick, I today installed Debian Jessie with Xfce
desktop to an early Lenovo S205 Ideapad which utilizes UEFI.

The installation boots successfully from the hard drive, and appears to
run properly.  However, there is a problem with shutdown.

When the SHUTDOWN button on the Xfce desktop is clicked, the screen goes
dark and the machine appears to be shutting down, but it remains powered
up until the hardware POWER button is pressed.

None of numerous previous attempts to install Debian on this machine was
successful.  The last attempt was with an earlier version of the Jessie
netinst image.  On that installation I did not try installing GRUB to the
removable media path.

However, in seaching to see whether others have been successful installing
Jessie on the Asus EeePC, I ran across several articles regarding problems
Debian and Ubuntu users have encountered with UEFI on 64-bit and 32-bit
systems, together with much discussion of how to circumvent those
problems.  See, for example, https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI.

I had no assurance that the current Debian installer of Jessie would work,
but the discussions which I read indicated that progress had been made
since the release of Wheezy, and that encouraged me to try again.

When I purchased the S205, I was oblivious with respect to the fact that
it had UEFI BIOS.  I wiped the hard drive, confident that Debian would
install without difficulty.  And wiping the drive destroyed the
restoration copy of Windows.

A couple of years later I learned that Lenovo was selling a new verision
of the S205, with a different BIOS.  If I recall correctly, no upgrade was
possible.  And the price of a Windows CD was higher than I was willing to
pay.

But, thanks to the Debian installer team, I now have use of a machine
which has been idle now for several years.

Russ

Re: [HS] Mystérieux (?) Firefox sans route IP par défaut

[Alexandre Hoïde]

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 09:37:10AM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Alexandre Hoïde a écrit :
> > 
> >$ nslookup -q= 
> > 
> >   Bon ok, c'était déjà une certitude, mais le coup du « -q= » c'est
> > toujours bon à prendre pour les dilettantes comme moi.
> 
> Plus simple : la commande "host" fait par défaut des requêtes de type A
> (adresse IPv4),  (adresse IPv6) et MX (serveur de mail).

  Merci Pascal. Ça tombe bien, parce que j'ai lu entre-temps que
nslookup n'est (ou ne sera bientôt) plus maintenu et qu'il est
préférable de se familiariser avec dig et host.

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Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Stefan Monnier]

>Is there anything small which can run Debian?

How small is "small"?

My old MSI Wind U100 netbook ran Debian perfectly, i.e. all the hardware was
fully supported, including 3D graphics, with no need for any binary
blobs (according to "vrms" it was clean, except for those pesky
emacs-common-non-dfsg packages ;-).  The only tweak I'd had to do was to
replace the mini-pcie wifi with an Atheros one (the original wiki
worked more-or-less OK with a firmware-blob, but the driver was in
"staging" and had a few issues).

IIRC there were many similar machines back then (you just want to be
careful to avoid those machines with the gma500 aka "Poulsbo" graphics,
for which support is problematic).


Stefan

Re: deblan de 7.9 a 8.2

[Eduardo Rios]

El 18/10/15 a las 06:38, Fabián Bonetti escribió:


Bueno hacer el dlstupgrade del deblan 7.9 a 8.2 me recordo a las vers1ones de 
ubuntu.


No sé si es normal en Debian que se produzcan tantos problemas 
actualizando desde una versión a 2-3 después, pero en mi caso, siempre 
he ido pasando en orden, es decir, de 6.x a 7.x, 8.x y todas sus 
subversiones, y jamás he tenido problemas en Debian.


Ojalá pudiera decir lo mismo con Ubuntú, sólo 6 meses de diferencia 
entre versión y versión y se rompía todo. No sé como irá ahora, pero no 
voy a comprobarlo, me fío más de Debian :-)


Tuve muchos problemas.

Xorg

gdm3


Siempre hay que leerse la documentación, sobre todo las notas de 
publicación, ya que mencionan los errores que pueden surgir, y como 
solucionarlos.


Yo soy perezoso y no las leo, y hasta ahora no me ha ido mal, pero si 
alguna vez me pasa, no puedo culpar a Debian, sino a mi pereza ;)




y ahora se me llena el dlsco duro... no solo a mi he visto a otro en interet 
quejandoce que se llena el discoduro de cosas en /var/log/message etc y anda 
saber por donde mas se llena


Pues siempre podrás buscar y leer como solucionarlo ¿no?


Es mi oplnion personal... pero recomlendo no hacer el salto.


Yo creo que hubiera sido mejor que hubieras ido actualizando en su 
momento: de 7.9, a 8.0, 8.1 y 8.2.



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Re: deblan de 7.9 a 8.2

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 18/10/15 a las 17:50, Eduardo Rios escribió:
(...)
> Siempre hay que leerse la documentación, sobre todo las notas de
> publicación, ya que mencionan los errores que pueden surgir, y como
> solucionarlos.

¿Para qué están las 'Release Notes'? Para eso y más...si caben...

> Yo soy perezoso y no las leo, y hasta ahora no me ha ido mal, pero si alguna
> vez me pasa, no puedo culpar a Debian, sino a mi pereza ;)

Pues ya sabes lo que te toca...LEER la 'Release Note', donde indican no sólo
eso, sino, cómo solventar los fallos detectados al hacer el '--dist-upgrade'.

> Pues siempre podrás buscar y leer como solucionarlo ¿no?

;-)

>> Es mi oplnion personal... pero recomlendo no hacer el salto.
> 
> Yo creo que hubiera sido mejor que hubieras ido actualizando en su momento:
> de 7.9, a 8.0, 8.1 y 8.2.

De 7.9, para poco a poco, arriba y arriba, debió haber hecho de esa forma.
Sería lo más sensato.

La solución pasa por: ir a http://snapshot.debian.org y,...hacer el upgrade
por fechas. Sería más fiable para atajar el problema.

Yo, por el momento, no tengo pegas, no tengo quejas de ninguna clase hasta
ahora con lo que va haciendo Debian Stretch. ;-) Sólo detecto pequeños
bug's, que se van solventando y arreglando un poco por cada día.

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Re: deblan de 7.9 a 8.2

[Manolo Díaz]

El domingo, 18 de octubre de 2015 a las 15:50 UTC
Eduardo Rios escribió:

> Yo creo que hubiera sido mejor que hubieras ido actualizando en su 
> momento: de 7.9, a 8.0, 8.1 y 8.2.

El repositorio de estable apunta a la versión 8.2 en este momento,
tendías que buscar entre las imágenes iso del archivo. Además, debe ser
un poco más fiable actualizar de 7.9 a 8.2 que a 8.0, por tener la
primera más errores corregidos.

-- 
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Re: deblan de 7.9 a 8.2

[Camaleón]

El Sun, 18 Oct 2015 01:38:36 -0300, Fabián Bonetti escribió:

> Bueno hacer el dlstupgrade del deblan 7.9 a 8.2 me recordo a las
> vers1ones de ubuntu.
> 
> Tuve muchos problemas.
> 
> Xorg
> 
> gdm3

¿Y qué problemas son esos, exactamente? 

En las Notas de la versión están documentados la mayor parte de los 
errores/problemas que puede haber en la nueva versión y en el caso de 
Jessie tienes el de los drivers propietarios de ati que no funcionan con 
gnome-shell y hay que usar el libre (radeon).

> y ahora se me llena el dlsco duro... no solo a mi he visto a otro en
> interet quejandoce que se llena el discoduro de cosas en
> /var/log/message etc y anda saber por donde mas se llena

Pues seguramente por algún proceso desbocado y que el logrotate no lo 
rote como debe, pero vamos, que eso es fácil de comprobar mirando el 
tamaño de los archivos dentro de /var/log para ver de cuál se trata 
exactamente y luego comprobar si se rota o no y qué proceso genera esos 
mensajes.

> Es mi oplnion personal... pero recomlendo no hacer el salto.

Yo nunca "salto", siempre instalo desde cero en paralelo para evitarme 
esas complicaciones y mantener siempre una instalación en funcionamiento 
y operativa por si algo sale mal y poder trabajar desde ahí manteniendo 
todos los datos intactos.

> Es mas hasta vl una pantalla al remover systemd que para removerlo debla
> poner una frase absurda o no se removla.

Será para asegurarse de que quieres eliminarlo realmente porque se trata 
de un servicio básico en el sistema del que dependen otros paquetes (es 
es gestor de inicio predeterminado). Es como cuando quieres eliminar el 
kernel que está en ejecución, te dice "Oye, que te vas a dar un tiro en 
pie, ¿seguro que quieres hacer eso?" :-)

Saludos,

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Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Miles Fidelman]

Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
I don't think that the Debian User Mailing List is for Smartphone 
related discussions!

You should have some other mailing list made for you !
No offence!
Not for nothing, you might actually read things before making snide 
remarks.  The original question was quite Debian related, in two parts 
(paraphrased)

- is there a list where I can ask about...
- smartphones or tablets that can run DEBIAN

Almost all of the followup posts have responded to the second question.  
Admittedly, someone might have changed the subject line along the way!


Miles Fidelman

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.    Yogi Berra

Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Miles Fidelman]

Russ,

By the way, to your original question, a few more resources:
https://wiki.debian.org/Mobile/
https://wiki.debian.org/TabletAndTouchScreen
Both of which have some additional links.

And you might nose through the Debian lists of lists at 
https://lists.debian.org/ - there seems to be a debian-mobile developers 
list, but it's not very active (1 message since Feb.). There might be 
others, I just took a quick look.


Miles Fidelman

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In practice, there is.    Yogi Berra

Re: smartphone forum for the technically-oriented

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 October 2015 15:30:07 Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
> > I don't think that the Debian User Mailing List is for Smartphone
> > related discussions!
> > You should have some other mailing list made for you !
> > No offence!
>
> Not for nothing, you might actually read things before making snide
> remarks.  The original question was quite Debian related, in two parts
> (paraphrased)
> - is there a list where I can ask about...
> - smartphones or tablets that can run DEBIAN
>
> Almost all of the followup posts have responded to the second question.
> Admittedly, someone might have changed the subject line along the way!

I now have!!

Lisi

Re: Mailing lists, CC, followup-to, netiquette and all the rest [was: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer]

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 01:07:45PM +0300, Reco wrote:

[Mail-Followup-T]

> True. The only problem is - this very e-mail I'm replying to does not
> contain Mail-Followup-To nor Followup-To :) Without a doubt it must be
> related to your mutt or postfix configuration somehow.

This is not a problem: *I* don't mind receiving CC. This header is a hint
by the sender (in the context of a mailing list) to where (s)he expects
the answers to go to. With a sensible mail reader, the responder just
has to choose "respond to list" and all is well.

So *you* may cc me or not, as stated in my headers (no ...followup-to).

Regards
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Re: Mailing lists, CC, followup-to, netiquette and all the rest [was: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer]

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 18 October 2015 16:04:47 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>  With a sensible mail reader, the responder just
> has to choose "respond to list" and all is well.

Yes.  That is not the problem.  The problem is responders who *deliberately* 
don't respond to list.

You claim to know how to set one's email client to stop people responding 
personally.   My email in response to your last doesn't seem to have got 
through to the list; perhaps because of the screenshot.  So here it is 
without.

On Sunday 18 October 2015 07:35:14 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 10:58:00PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 17 October 2015 19:38:02 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > Or do as me and configure your procmail to discard duplicates. Works
> > > like a charm.
> >
> > No doubt due to my inability to configure KMail correctly it is a *
> > nuisance.  It delivers the private one and discards the one to the list.
> > This is a confounded nuisance.  And contrary to Debian Mailing List CoC .
> >  We are supposed to cc only if expressly requested to do so.
>
> Procmail does a wonderful job of that.
>
> Yes, you are right about the CoC part. Still, if someone is picky about
> *not* being cc'ed, I'd consider it polite to at least do his/her part and
> express this wish with the headers in use for this purpose. At least
> *before* scolding others <:*)

Taking that as personally aimed, nothing would give me greater pleasure.  I am 
simply not technically competent enough.  I refer above to  "my inability to 
configure KMail correctly".

I have a blank page in which to  " define custom mime header fields", and an 
opportunity to use a custom message-id suffix. (See attachment.)

What do I put, where, to achieve stopping these wretched cc's from landing in 
my private mail??

I'd also like the copy to the list to land in my list folder, not be 
discarded.

Lisi

(SOLUCIONADO) Re: No aparece el icono de iceweasel 41.0.2 en la barra lateral izquierda de Gnome (Favoritos)

[Eduardo Rios]

El 17/10/15 a las 16:40, Camaleón escribió:


Puedes probar estas cosas:

1/ Crear un nuevo usuario e iniciar sesión para ver si el icono se
muestra correctamente en su barra.


No ha dado resultado.


2/ Comprobar que la entrada en el archivo de configuración "/usr/share/
applications/iceweasel.desktop" apunta al icono correctamente aunque
supongo que así es porque se muestra correctamente el icono en todas las
aplicaciones.


¡Vaya! ¡Ahí estaba el problema! Al entrar a las propiedades del archivo, 
he visto que el icono se veía mal, así que he pinchado en el icono, y he 
cogido el icono del archivo 
/usr/share/iceweasel/bowser/icons/mozicon128.png y se ha arreglado.


3/ Fuerza la reconstrucción del caché de iconos de gnome ejecutando:

gtk-update-icon-cache -ftq /usr/share/icons/hicolor



Después de la opción 2, también lo he hecho. He cerrado la sesión de 
usuario, he vuelto a entrar y ya se ve correctamente. :-)


Ahora, faltaría saber que icono había ubicado al actualizar a la 41.0.2. 
Era como si fuese más grande y no cupiese entero... cuando en la versión 
anterior se veía bien.


Pero bueno, ha quedado resuelto. Muchas gracias!!

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Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[Sylvain L. Sauvage]

Le dimanche 18 octobre 2015, 13:20:59 Alex PADOLY a écrit :
> Bonjour,

’jour,

> Faut-il avoir une certaine compétence pour paramétrer
> SELINUX, effectivement DEBIAN ne l'installe pas en standard.

  Ne pas oublier l’éducation des utilisateurs.
  Le fond de https://xkcd.com/1200/ s’applique aussi ailleurs 
que pour les vols.

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Re: Quel antivirus utilisez vous?

[maderios]

On 10/18/2015 03:20 PM, Alex PADOLY wrote:

Bonjour,

Faut-il avoir une certaine compétence pour paramétrer SELINUX,
effectivement DEBIAN ne l'installe pas en standard.


Aucune compétence particulière. Il suffit d'être motivé et d'appliquer 
ce que l'on trouve dans les doc.

Je me suis débrouillé avec cela:
https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup
https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.selinux.html
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Security-Enhanced_Linux/sect-Security-Enhanced_Linux-Fixing_Problems-Allowing_Access_audit2allow.html
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux
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Re: Starting systemd user services on boot on a Debian server [SOLVED]

[Curt]

On 2015-10-17, Brian  wrote:
>
> If I were to rewrite part of the package description I would have
>
>   If in doubt install this package.
>
> No comma. Its not needed.

No, an apostrophe is needed.

>   Install this package if in doubt.
>
>


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Re: Mailing lists, CC, followup-to, netiquette and all the rest [was: direct ethernet connection between computer and printer]

[tomas]

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On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 04:55:10PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 18 October 2015 16:04:47 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >  With a sensible mail reader, the responder just
> > has to choose "respond to list" and all is well.
> 
> Yes.  That is not the problem.  The problem is responders who *deliberately* 
> don't respond to list.

You can't stop those. (OK, the best you can do is "social engineering", aka
persuasion :)

> You claim to know how to set one's email client to stop people responding 
> personally.   My email in response to your last doesn't seem to have got 
> through to the list; perhaps because of the screenshot.  So here it is 
> without.

[...]

> > Yes, you are right about the CoC part. Still, if someone is picky about
> > *not* being cc'ed, I'd consider it polite to at least do his/her part and
> > express this wish with the headers in use for this purpose. At least
> > *before* scolding others <:*)
> 
> Taking that as personally aimed, nothing would give me greater pleasure.  I 
> am 
> simply not technically competent enough.  I refer above to  "my inability to 
> configure KMail correctly".
> 
> I have a blank page in which to  " define custom mime header fields", and an 
> opportunity to use a custom message-id suffix. (See attachment.)
> 
> What do I put, where, to achieve stopping these wretched cc's from landing in 
> my private mail??

What you can do is, if you care, to set

  Mail-Followup-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

This should convince most polite MUAs to do the right thing when the user
"replies to list". A more drastic measure would be to set

  Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

That won't kill all cc's: if someone does a "group reply" and/or if the
MUA is nasty enough...

> I'd also like the copy to the list to land in my list folder, not be 
> discarded.

The ultimate feature is just a duplicate filter (a couple of lines of
procmail). You'll have to configure the "mail sorter" (you're probably
using KMail) accoringly, because probably the "copy for you" will
arrive earlier.

See this thread in... debian-user[1], of all things (from 2003) where
our ancestors hashed this out already (with some recipes). Just ask if
you decide to use procmail (I am, alas, a KMail analphabet myself).

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg05065.html

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Re: whatsapp on Debian?

[Rodolfo Medina]

Andrew McGlashan  writes:

> Hi,
>
> On 17/10/2015 9:52 PM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
>> I've found several how-to's about installing whatsapp on Linux and
>> Debian but none of them was useful to me.  Anyone out there who was
>> successful with the issue and can report how to do?
>
> I'm not sure what you need, but the secure messaging part (when it is
> done right) is being handled with code from the TextSecure project.
> If that is what you are after, then you might want to consider looking
> at that project -- Android TextSecure / Red Phone  iOS Signal is
> the equivalent, but in one app.  The Android apps are expected to
> become one app too, but not sure when.
>
> https://whispersystems.org/
>
> The apps on github:
> https://github.com/whispersystems/


Thanks.  But, as far as I understand, that's not for PCs, only for phones...
What I want is instead to use whatsapp from my PC.

Regards,

Rodolfo

Re: deblan de 7.9 a 8.2

[Eduardo Rios]

El 18/10/15 a las 18:25, Manolo Díaz escribió:

El domingo, 18 de octubre de 2015 a las 15:50 UTC
Eduardo Rios escribió:


Yo creo que hubiera sido mejor que hubieras ido actualizando en su
momento: de 7.9, a 8.0, 8.1 y 8.2.


El repositorio de estable apunta a la versión 8.2 en este momento,
tendías que buscar entre las imágenes iso del archivo. Además, debe ser
un poco más fiable actualizar de 7.9 a 8.2 que a 8.0, por tener la
primera más errores corregidos.



¿Quieres decir que "en teoría" se podría pasar de 7.9 a 8.2 sin tanto 
problema? Yo es que siempre he ido actualizando de versión a versión, 
sin dejar saltos, (7, 7.1, 7.2 ... 8, 8.1, 8.2) y no he tenido problemas.


Por eso desconozco si se puede actualizar con saltos grandes o muy 
grandes (por ejemplo de 7.1 a 8.2)


A mi no me gusta hacerlo así :-P

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Re: deblan de 7.9 a 8.2

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 18/10/15 a las 18:39, Eduardo Rios escribió:
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> A mi no me gusta hacerlo así :-P

A mí tampoco, pero es que, esa medida, es un poco peligrosa, como he
comentado antes, una solución es ir paso a paso como he descrito antes con
snapshot.debian.org, que de esta forma, lo hacemos de entre fechas por las
versiones publicadas, se acaba uno antes.

Ni que decir, que puedes hacerlo sin necesidad de volver a formatear los
discos duros. ;-)

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