Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

[Michael Milliman]

On 04/17/2016 06:59 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Michael Milliman wrote:



On 04/16/2016 07:52 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

choice of inits as a standard option during installs on future
releases, but I very much doubt it.

B


I use Linux Mint on one of my machines.  It is init based, not
systemd, and has Debian and Ubuntu as it's underpinnings.  All of the
familiar things work great (apt, and all other packages I have used
under straight Debian).  I think you might like that distribution as
well. You can check out their home page at
https://www.linuxmint.com.  I still have Debian running on my server
system (Jessie with systemd), but I really like the Linux Mint system
with init as well.  I've never really liked systemd, though I must
admit it does work and do the job -- I just like the simplicity of
the init system better.  Admittedly, I may well be undereducated on
systemd resulting in my prejudice.

I'm evaluating a standard install of Mint (XFCE) running in VirtualBox.
No problems.  And right, it uses Upstart as the init, but still has
systemd files everywhere.  For dependency issues, I'm sure.  However,
I've yet to check if I can do a minimal terminal install, and build off
it with just X, a window manager, and a panel.  I like my system
kept small and light -- no extraneous crap like you get and never use,
and can't uninstall due to dependencies of the desktop environment.

My objection to systemd is philosophical:  It's contrary to the Unix
credo of simplicity, an OS busybody as it were.

B

Yes, Linux does seem to be getting away from some of its original 
philosophy in general.  We are seeing many more do-everything types of 
programs rather than the one program one job type of thing. Linux used 
to be keep it simple, and have one program do one single job very well, 
and then combine those programs to get the end result that you wanted.  
Not so much any more. Nevertheless, IMHO Linux is far superior to the 
other options available, and Debian for all of the criticism I've seen 
about it, is one of the very best distributions, systemd not withstanding.


--
Mike

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

[Paul Trevethan]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 14:48:56 -0700
Bob Holtzman  wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 09:34:05AM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700
> > Patrick Bartek  wrote:
> >   
> > > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15
> > > April 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as
> > > announced months ago, finally ceased support for its browser on
> > > Wheezy.  I double checked just to be sure, and in the course of
> > > that check also discovered "official" Debian support for Wheezy
> > > will cease in a little over a week on 26 April 2016 -- just 3
> > > years after its release.  However, it will automatically enter
> > > LTS until 2018 at which time all support ceases and EOL
> > > "officially" occurs. 
> > > 
> > > Well, at least I have time to look for an alternative. Maybe,
> > > Devuan will be viable by then, but I doubt it.  Or Debian will
> > > offer a choice of inits as a standard option during installs on
> > > future releases, but I very much doubt it.
> > > 
> > > B
> > >   
> > 
> > If you want a rock solid Debian based system with no systemd - check
> > out Antix distribution.  
> 
> There is no mail list, only a forum. It shows systemd in it's package
> list. 
> 

Available if you want it in the repos - not installed. Read the forum
notes, it is designed as non-systemd.

G

-- 
It is about the Dragons - it was always about the Dragons!

Apt-update errors

[Himanshu Shekhar]

Everything was working fine yesterday. When I ran "apt-get update" today
morning, I got a lot or errors : "hash sum mismatch" and many more.
Here's the output for apt update:

Ign:1 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease
>
> Hit:2 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release
>>
>
> Hit:4 http://repo.linrunner.de/debian stretch InRelease
>>
>
> Hit:5 http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease
>>
>
> Ign:6 http://linux.dropbox.com/debian jessie InRelease
>>
>
> Get:7 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease [62.8 kB]
>
> Ign:8 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main amd64 Packages
>>
>
> Ign:9 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main i386 Packages
>
> Hit:10 http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease
>
> Get:11 http://linux.dropbox.com/debian jessie Release [2,601 B]
>
> Ign:12 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main Translation-en
>
> Get:13 http://linux.dropbox.com/debian jessie Release.gpg [489 B]
>
> Ign:14 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
>
> Ign:15 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/contrib i386 Packages
>
> Ign:16 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/contrib Translation-en
>
> Get:17 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/non-free amd64 Packages
>> [32 B]
>
> W: Automatically disabled Acquire::http::PipelineDepth due to incorrect
>> response from server/proxy. (man 5 apt.conf)
>
> Get:18 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/non-free i386 Packages
>> [32 B]
>
> Ign:18 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/non-free i386 Packages
>
> Hit:8 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main amd64 Packages
>
> Err:8 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main amd64 Packages
>
>   Hash Sum mismatch
>
> Ign:9 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main i386 Packages
>
> Hit:12 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main Translation-en
>>
>
> Err:12 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main Translation-en
>>
>
>   Empty files can't be valid archives
>
> Hit:14 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/contrib amd64 Packages
>>
>
> Ign:15 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/contrib i386 Packages
>>
>
> Err:16 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/contrib Translation-en
>>
>
>   0  Requested Range Not Satisfiable
>
> Get:18 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/non-free i386 Packages
>> [20 B]
>
> Err:9 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main i386 Packages
>>
>
>   Bad header line
>
> Err:15 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/contrib i386 Packages
>>
>
>   The HTTP server sent an invalid Content-Range header
>
> Fetched 523 B in 8s (61 B/s)
>>
>
> Reading package lists... Error!
>
> W: http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release.gpg:
>> Signature by key 4CCA1EAF950CEE4AB83976DCA040830F7FAC5991 uses weak digest
>> algorithm (SHA1)
>
> W: http://linux.dropbox.com/debian/dists/jessie/Release.gpg: Signature by
>> key 1C61A2656FB57B7E4DE0F4C1FC918B335044912E uses weak digest algorithm
>> (SHA1)
>
> E: Failed to fetch
>> store:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.debian.org_dists_stretch_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages.gz
>>  Hash Sum mismatch
>
> E: Failed to fetch
>> http://security.debian.org/dists/stretch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages
>>  Bad header line
>
> E: Failed to fetch
>> store:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.debian.org_dists_stretch_updates_main_i18n_Translation-en
>>  Empty files can't be valid archives
>
> E: Failed to fetch
>> http://security.debian.org/dists/stretch/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages
>>  The HTTP server sent an invalid Content-Range header
>
> E: Failed to fetch
>> http://security.debian.org/dists/stretch/updates/contrib/i18n/Translation-en
>>  0  Requested Range Not Satisfiable
>
> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
>> ones used instead.
>
> E: Unable to parse package file
>> /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stretch_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages
>> (1)
>
> E: Unable to parse package file
>> /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stretch_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages
>> (1)
>
> E: Unable to parse package file
>> /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stretch_updates_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages
>> (1)
>
> E: Unable to parse package file
>> /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stretch_updates_contrib_binary-i386_Packages
>> (1)
>
> E: Unable to parse package file
>> /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stretch_updates_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages
>> (1)
>
> E: Unable to parse package file
>> /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_stretch_updates_non-free_binary-i386_Packages
>> (1)
>
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
>
> E: The package cache file is corrupted
>
>
>
Here's my sources.list file:

>


> deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free

# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:

# deb-src 

[solved] Re: Voir et écouter en streaming la conférence de RMS : fermée !

[merkedanke]

http://www.tmplab.org/video/index.php?conference=stallman
WARNING: The site http://www.tmplab.org/contact/ may contain malware. 
Caution is advised if you visit it without the Proxy.


**
Conference Richard Stallman à la mėdiatheque de Choisy
“Pour une société numérique libre”
#universitaire/libertaire usa politiquement correct + décalés.
#ubuntu (dont leur téléphone portable) n'est pas libre et est 
superficiel/trompeur.

#rejeter les nouveaux processeurs intel -backdoor-
**
le lien http n'est pas correct
https disponible.

Re: Res: [OFF TOPIC] Oportunidade de trabalho salário R$3.392

[julio]

Essa lista não tem moderador?? 

É classificados de emprego. ...???

Os escravocratas não nos deixam em paz nem aqui. ??


Enviado por Samsung Mobile

 Mensagem original 
De : Carlos Donizete  
Data: 16/04/2016  11h29  (GMT-03:00) 
Para: Paulo ,debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org 
Assunto: Res: [OFF TOPIC] Oportunidade de trabalho salário R$3.392 
 
Sinto muito em informar, mas aqui na lista. Até onde é sei aqui não é um 
classificado de emprego.

Quero ajudar e ser ajudado, tirar dúvidas e informar e ser informado sobre o 
"Debian".

Se é para colocar este tipo de informações recomendo colocar em sites de 
oportunidades de emprego ou em classificados de jornal. 

Esta é minha opinião, obrigado!

Enviado do meu smartphone BlackBerry 10.
De: Paulo
Enviada: sábado, 16 de abril de 2016 08:50
Para: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
Assunto: Re: Fwd: Re: [OFF TOPIC] Oportunidade de trabalho salário R$3.392

Pessoal,

Desculpe meu desabafo.

Eu ainda acredito que é uma gracinha dos empresários a contratação PJ que tem 
que ir todo o dia na empresa e cumprir horário.
Quando se tem que ir todos os dias e cumprir horário isto chama-se CLT e cabe 
processo com alta chance de ganhar.
Toda a vez que ofertei HOME WORK o entrevistador correu, é tudo para Empresa e 
nada para o colaborador.
Ou seja tenho que eu arrumar um contador, pagar taxas, ... e ainda trabalhar 
todo dia na empresa e cumprir horário, tem algo errado.
Sei que a CLT é muito cara ao Empresário, mas que tal Cooperativismo ?

Paulo


Em 13/04/2016 22:42, Alexandre escreveu:

Boa tarde a todos;

    Eu entendo o lado de ambos, mais como o colegas Thobias deixou muito bem 
colocado não podemos faltar com o respeito, ofensas não devem ser permitidas e 
se me permitem nem palavras de baixo calão.

    Sobre o tema vou deixar minha definição, e repondo em seguida, dessa forma 
, fica mais fácil a crítica.

    Estagiário  - Não sabe o que fazer, nem como fazer. Não sabe nada de nada, 
até porque convenhamos, a faculdade e ou curso técnico raramente ensina algo, 
voltado para o mercado, mais demostra disposição para aprender.

    Júnior  -  Sabe o que fazer, mais não como fazer. Ex: Sabe que precisa de 
um DHCP e DNS, mais não sabe como montar, se   vai ter ou não slave etc.

    Pleno  e    Sênior - O que os difere é o tempo para determinada tarefa. Ex: 
Montar um servidor HA, o Sênior faz em 4 semanas o Pleno em 6, 7 semanas.

Óbvio que todos terão dúvidas, porém é isso que espero dos mesmos.

Sobre a vaga:

"
Preciso de um profissional com curso superior em tecnologia (tencnólogo, poli 
técnico ou graduação)  concluído para ocupar uma vaga de gerente de servidores. 
é necessário vivencia em SO Linux (Debian e Ubuntu), experiência com serviços 
de rede   BIND, DHCP, SAMBA 3 e 4, Samba 4 DC AD, IPTABLES e 
virtualização, conhecimento em rede de computadores e   entusiasmo em 
agregar novos conhecimentos. Essa oportunidade é de regime extra quadro sem 
vínculo empregatício e contratação por tempo indeterminado. O ambiente oferece 
uma excelente oportunidade para o aprimoramento de conhecimento, interessados 
por favor me procurem neste mesmo e-mail enviando em anexo o seu Curriculo "

Aqui consta o primeiro equívoco, gerente, gerencia não atua, quem faz isso é 
analista e técnico.

Solicita vivência, logo ou é pleno ou sênior, acredito ser razoável para tal 
saber os requisitos.

Aqui cabe um menção:

A referida vaga não pede certificação e nem mesmo comprovação de experiência, 
logo um autônomo pode facilmente afirmar que te me entrar.

Aqui também tem uma observação, a vaga não pede comprovação, logo você como 
autônomo pode er feito

Aqui fiquei em dúvida: "Essa oportunidade é de regime extra quadro sem vínculo 
empregatício"

Se refere ao tocante de ser uma universidade um entende federal cuja forma de 
egresso é via concurso público? Ou na modalidade PJ e por isso não fala em 
benefícios?

 Eu moro no Rio capital (No subúrbio Méier, classe média alta).

Aqui uso a seguinte medida : 

Júnior R$ 4500,00, Plenos R$ 5500,00 e Sênior R$ 6500,00, coordenador R$ 
8000,00, modalidade CLT

Esses valores uso para desenvolvimento Java, mais acredito que deve ser usado 
para referência como analista em geral, mesmo sabendo que o mercado paga menos 
para infra e PHP.

Esse valor exposto para CLT é quase metade do que considero bom, porém mesmo 
infra pagando menos ainda sim acho pouco, se for PJ eu acho que é absurdo.

Agora isso é motivo para ofender o colega? Certamente que não, vivemos em uma 
sociedade livre, cada um aceita o que quer, se acha que seu trabalho vale tão 
pouco, não é da minha conta , apenas repudio e não faria, porém não critico 
quem oferta, até porque teve que entrou em contato.

Tenho amigos que desenvolvem em PHP e ganham como Pleno R$ 2000,00, acho muito 
doido mas ele que decide.

Sobre o amigo que ganha R$ 1600,00, eu vou dizer o que falei para 

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

[Dan Hitt]

Hi David,

Thanks for your responses.

I'm going to try to your questions and points all in this one post
so it's easier to comprehend.

Regarding the 'local' name, i don't know how it came into being
(or whether it was deliberate on anybody's part).  I sure don't
think i created it.

Thanks for pointing out /var/lib/dhcp/, and thanks very much for
pointing out netstat.

My /etc/services is like yours regarding mdns (no surprise there
i guess), and also like yours regarding what netstat reveals:
udp and udp6 for 5353 so something is trying to use that port.

I've subsequently set up ~/.ssh/config so i can ssh to all my
machines without '.local'.  I don't ping too much, so that's not
a problem (but it is a little unsatisfactory).

And --- i was wrong about how i have my network laid out.

So if anybody stumbles on this thread with a similar problem:

The router just connects directly to my main linux machine,
and the other three hosts (one linux, two other)
are all on a subnet that does not include the router.

So their behavior is much more plausible --- they don't
need '.local' at all --- the only machine that seems to need
'.local' is my main linux machine, but it has two network
interfaces, so it's in a unique situation.

(And that's why i don't want to be too emphatic about
'local' --- i sure don't think i chose that word, but because
i was wrong about describing my network earlier, maybe
i did something else and just don't recall it.  For example,
if 'local' was a drop down in one of the guis i went through,
then that might be the origin.  And i'm very sorry for
leaving a trail of red herrings if so!!! :( )

dan




On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 1:37 PM, David Wright  wrote:
> On Sun 17 Apr 2016 at 09:42:38 (-0700), Dan Hitt wrote:
>> If there's a way to determine if i'm running mDNS on my main linux
>> machine i'm certainly interested, but i don't want to be too greedy about 
>> this.
>> Because, after all, maybe it is reasonable that if my main linux
>> machine is sending all these packets around it needs more help
>> in determining what's on the local network.
>
> $ grep -i mdns /etc/services
> mdns5353/tcp# Multicast DNS
> mdns5353/udp
> $ netstat -n -a -e | grep 5353
> udp0  0 0.0.0.0:53530.0.0.0:* 10314857
> udp6   0  0 :::5353 :::*  10314858
> $
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>

Re: ¿Existen aun repositorios oficiales para ALSA?

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 19:23 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
> Listeros:
>
> Me gustaria instalar ALSA en Lenovo Ideapad 100 pero desde
> REPOSITORIOS  OFICIALES.

Para quien pueda resultarle de ayuda

deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free

>
> ¿Existen algunos para poderlo instalar mediante apt-get?.
>
> Gracias
>
> Debianeromx

RE: Ayuda!

[sbasurto]

Que tal Juan mandanos el error y con gusto te ayudamos.
También mándanos la salida de los siguientes comandos si ya está debían 
instalado desde el usb (si no ve la nota):
# lspci -v# hwinfo
Necesitas instalarlo desde el cd?, o puedes instalar desde usb?, y después te 
ayudamos a que te reconozca el cd dvd.
Nota: Si no has instalado Debian baja el siguiente software a tu usb y bootea 
con el cuando termina de cargar, te va a dar un shell funcional y podrás 
ejecutar  los comandos.https://www.gentoo.org/downloads/Selecciona minimal 
install para tu tipo de cpu.
Quedo en espera de tus comentarios. 
Saludos,

Enviado desde mi smartphone Samsung Galaxy. Mensaje original 
De: Juan Cruz  Fecha: 17/04/2016  3:57 PM  
(GMT-06:00) A: debian-user@lists.debian.org Asunto: Ayuda! 
Hola,

Mi nombre es Juan Cruz, soy de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Estuve teniendo 
problemas con la instalación de Debian. No reconoce mi lectora de cd-dvd, pero 
estoy instalandolo desde una imagen net-install mediante un usb. Por otro lado 
en su momento cuando lo pude hacer en el pasado también tuve que subir los 
drivers de la placa de red ya que no lo reconocía. Me gustaría saber como puedo 
hacer para instalar Debian ya que no encontré este error en ningún lado y mucho 
menos en español.

Saludos!


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Re: Bug en utileria ifupdown 0.7.50 instalar la version 0.7.51

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 19:17 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
> 2016-04-17 19:15 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
>> 2016-04-17 18:53 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
>>> Listeros:
>>>
>>> Les comento que ya tengo instalado casi en su totalidad lo necesario
>>> para Lenovo Ideapad 100.
>>>
>>> Resulta que a cada rato dejaba de haber comunicacion con la internet.
>>> Tenia que reiniciar porque no funcionaba con el ifdown y despues
>>> volver a arrancarla.
>>>
>>> Revise los losgs y me aparecia algo raro
>>>
>>> FAILED to start Raised network interfaces.
>>>
>>> Crei que era algun otro problema de configuracion, pero resulta que es
>>> un bug que trae la version 0.7.50 y que ha sido corregido ya en la
>>> version 0.7.51
>>>
>>> Verificado en el siguiente vinculo.
>>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754218
>>>
>>> Pero verifique la version de ifdown y tengo la version 0.8.10
>>>
>>> ifdown --version
>>>
>>> Despues me dirigi a ver si podia encontrar solo esta utileria, pero
>>> parece que viene con varias utilerias mas tal como esta en el
>>> siguiente vinculo
>>>
>>> https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default=all=any=names=ifupdown
>>>
>>> Como podran notar, (me paso lo mismo con emacs) hay varias paquetes
>>> que podria instalar, pero al tratar de revisar la version, me pude dar
>>> cuenta que no hay ni un detalle sobre la misma.
>>>
>>> Deseo instalar el paquete que tenga menos aplicaciones, se que quizas
>>> esto no sea posible.
>>>
>>> ¿Como resolver este problema? ¿Sera un nuevo bug a la version 0.8.10?
>>>
>>> Gracias
>>>
>>> Debianeromx
>>
>>
>> Estoy intentando copiar solo la utileria de otra maquina que tengo y
>> los reeplazare por la version 0.7.54
>
> parece que ya quedo SOLUCIONADO...

Pues no, copie otra version y tampoco.

Mismo error FAILED to start Raised network interfaces.

alguna idea?

¿Existen aun repositorios oficiales para ALSA?

[Debia Linux]

Listeros:

Me gustaria instalar ALSA en Lenovo Ideapad 100 pero desde
REPOSITORIOS  OFICIALES.

¿Existen algunos para poderlo instalar mediante apt-get?.

Gracias

Debianeromx

Re: Bug en utileria ifupdown 0.7.50 instalar la version 0.7.51

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 19:15 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
> 2016-04-17 18:53 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
>> Listeros:
>>
>> Les comento que ya tengo instalado casi en su totalidad lo necesario
>> para Lenovo Ideapad 100.
>>
>> Resulta que a cada rato dejaba de haber comunicacion con la internet.
>> Tenia que reiniciar porque no funcionaba con el ifdown y despues
>> volver a arrancarla.
>>
>> Revise los losgs y me aparecia algo raro
>>
>> FAILED to start Raised network interfaces.
>>
>> Crei que era algun otro problema de configuracion, pero resulta que es
>> un bug que trae la version 0.7.50 y que ha sido corregido ya en la
>> version 0.7.51
>>
>> Verificado en el siguiente vinculo.
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754218
>>
>> Pero verifique la version de ifdown y tengo la version 0.8.10
>>
>> ifdown --version
>>
>> Despues me dirigi a ver si podia encontrar solo esta utileria, pero
>> parece que viene con varias utilerias mas tal como esta en el
>> siguiente vinculo
>>
>> https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default=all=any=names=ifupdown
>>
>> Como podran notar, (me paso lo mismo con emacs) hay varias paquetes
>> que podria instalar, pero al tratar de revisar la version, me pude dar
>> cuenta que no hay ni un detalle sobre la misma.
>>
>> Deseo instalar el paquete que tenga menos aplicaciones, se que quizas
>> esto no sea posible.
>>
>> ¿Como resolver este problema? ¿Sera un nuevo bug a la version 0.8.10?
>>
>> Gracias
>>
>> Debianeromx
>
>
> Estoy intentando copiar solo la utileria de otra maquina que tengo y
> los reeplazare por la version 0.7.54

parece que ya quedo SOLUCIONADO...

Re: Bug en utileria ifupdown 0.7.50 instalar la version 0.7.51

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 18:53 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
> Listeros:
>
> Les comento que ya tengo instalado casi en su totalidad lo necesario
> para Lenovo Ideapad 100.
>
> Resulta que a cada rato dejaba de haber comunicacion con la internet.
> Tenia que reiniciar porque no funcionaba con el ifdown y despues
> volver a arrancarla.
>
> Revise los losgs y me aparecia algo raro
>
> FAILED to start Raised network interfaces.
>
> Crei que era algun otro problema de configuracion, pero resulta que es
> un bug que trae la version 0.7.50 y que ha sido corregido ya en la
> version 0.7.51
>
> Verificado en el siguiente vinculo.
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754218
>
> Pero verifique la version de ifdown y tengo la version 0.8.10
>
> ifdown --version
>
> Despues me dirigi a ver si podia encontrar solo esta utileria, pero
> parece que viene con varias utilerias mas tal como esta en el
> siguiente vinculo
>
> https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default=all=any=names=ifupdown
>
> Como podran notar, (me paso lo mismo con emacs) hay varias paquetes
> que podria instalar, pero al tratar de revisar la version, me pude dar
> cuenta que no hay ni un detalle sobre la misma.
>
> Deseo instalar el paquete que tenga menos aplicaciones, se que quizas
> esto no sea posible.
>
> ¿Como resolver este problema? ¿Sera un nuevo bug a la version 0.8.10?
>
> Gracias
>
> Debianeromx


Estoy intentando copiar solo la utileria de otra maquina que tengo y
los reeplazare por la version 0.7.54

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

[Patrick Bartek]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Michael Milliman wrote:

> 
> 
> On 04/16/2016 07:52 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> >> > >choice of inits as a standard option during installs on future
> >> > >releases, but I very much doubt it.
> >> > >
> >> > >B
> >> > >
> > >
> I use Linux Mint on one of my machines.  It is init based, not
> systemd, and has Debian and Ubuntu as it's underpinnings.  All of the
> familiar things work great (apt, and all other packages I have used
> under straight Debian).  I think you might like that distribution as
> well. You can check out their home page at
> https://www.linuxmint.com.  I still have Debian running on my server
> system (Jessie with systemd), but I really like the Linux Mint system
> with init as well.  I've never really liked systemd, though I must
> admit it does work and do the job -- I just like the simplicity of
> the init system better.  Admittedly, I may well be undereducated on
> systemd resulting in my prejudice.

I'm evaluating a standard install of Mint (XFCE) running in VirtualBox.
No problems.  And right, it uses Upstart as the init, but still has
systemd files everywhere.  For dependency issues, I'm sure.  However,
I've yet to check if I can do a minimal terminal install, and build off
it with just X, a window manager, and a panel.  I like my system
kept small and light -- no extraneous crap like you get and never use,
and can't uninstall due to dependencies of the desktop environment.

My objection to systemd is philosophical:  It's contrary to the Unix
credo of simplicity, an OS busybody as it were.

B

Bug en utileria ifupdown 0.7.50 instalar la version 0.7.51

[Debia Linux]

Listeros:

Les comento que ya tengo instalado casi en su totalidad lo necesario
para Lenovo Ideapad 100.

Resulta que a cada rato dejaba de haber comunicacion con la internet.
Tenia que reiniciar porque no funcionaba con el ifdown y despues
volver a arrancarla.

Revise los losgs y me aparecia algo raro

FAILED to start Raised network interfaces.

Crei que era algun otro problema de configuracion, pero resulta que es
un bug que trae la version 0.7.50 y que ha sido corregido ya en la
version 0.7.51

Verificado en el siguiente vinculo.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754218

Pero verifique la version de ifdown y tengo la version 0.8.10

ifdown --version

Despues me dirigi a ver si podia encontrar solo esta utileria, pero
parece que viene con varias utilerias mas tal como esta en el
siguiente vinculo

https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default=all=any=names=ifupdown

Como podran notar, (me paso lo mismo con emacs) hay varias paquetes
que podria instalar, pero al tratar de revisar la version, me pude dar
cuenta que no hay ni un detalle sobre la misma.

Deseo instalar el paquete que tenga menos aplicaciones, se que quizas
esto no sea posible.

¿Como resolver este problema? ¿Sera un nuevo bug a la version 0.8.10?

Gracias

Debianeromx

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

[Patrick Bartek]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, Go Linux wrote:

> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700
> From: Patrick Bartek 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
> Subject: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]
> > 
> > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15
> > April 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as
> > announced
> > 
> [snipped]
> > 
> > Well, at least I have time to look for an alternative. Maybe, Devuan
> > will be viable by then, but I doubt it.  Or Debian will offer a
> > choice of inits as a standard option during installs on future
> > releases, but I very much doubt it.
> > 
> 
> O ye of little faith!  I have been using Devuan Xfce on my desktop
> since last November.   Haven't had one hiccup with it.  And I am not
> alone!  Many are using it on their desktop and also on production
> servers.  Beta will be released very soon if that's what you're
> waiting for. 

A good endorsement for its stability, but it's still in Alpha, an
admission by its own developer that the software is not truly ready.

Yes, I'm waiting for a Beta, a late one -- next year? -- but for
evaluation, not general use.  I'm very particular.  However, another
thing to consider, too:  even if the Final Release comes this time next
year (and I don't think it will), the OS will be one generation behind
since it's based on Jessie, and Stretch is "expected" to become the new
Stable about the same time.

We'll see.  I've got time.

B

Re: No login secreen on Jessie

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 17 April 2016 22:08:20 Felix Miata wrote:
> Markos composed on 2016-04-17 17:22 (UTC):
> > I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings.
> >
> > I will do these tests on next Sunday.
> >
> > But using this message, do you suggest any Linux distribution, based on
> > Debian, which would be a good alternative to install on this machine?
>
> Nothing I wrote was meant to imply Jessie was an inappropriate distro
> choice. Rather, Gnome3 is more demanding than your hardware was designed to
> support. So, (optionally) removing gnome-desktop, and installing any other
> desktop is what I would try first. Several less demanding options are
> available. My preference is overwhelmingly TDE, regardless of hardware
> capability.
>
> https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall#For_Jessie_.28Debian_8.x.29
> has TDE installation instructions. The home page link there will provide
> better description than I can offer.
>
> > This desktop will beused in educational environment.
> >
> > Any suggestion?
>
> Unless your 160GB disk installation unusually constrained your / partition
> size, you can install multiple desktop environments, try each, then simply
> continue using whichever turns out to be your favorite, optionally removing
> the others.
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment lists Debian's primary desktop
> options. If you've been a Gnome user in the past, Mate may turn out to be
> your preference.
>
> Alternatively, if switching to another distro is your wish, Edubuntu might
> turn out to be an ideal choice.
> https://www.edubuntu.org/

I would second everything that Felix has said.  Gnome does not sound suitable, 
and I would second the suggestion of trying several other desktops, but be 
sure to include TDE and MATE. 

You don't say what age group you are intending to educate.  FWIW, I personally 
have used Debian with TDE (and its precursor KDE3) for ages from 3 to 83.  So 
far, they all love it, and find it enjoyable.  It is very configurable, which 
makes it ideal IMHO, since it can be adapted to suit the individual and/or 
circumstances.  

Lisi

Re: No login secreen on Jessie

[Markos]

Hi Felix,

I didn't know about Trinity project. I'll read about it.

And thank you also for the tip about Edubuntu.

Many thanks for your attention,
Markos

Em 17-04-2016 21:08, Felix Miata escreveu:

Markos composed on 2016-04-17 17:22 (UTC):


I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings.



I will do these tests on next Sunday.



But using this message, do you suggest any Linux distribution, based on
Debian, which would be a good alternative to install on this machine?


Nothing I wrote was meant to imply Jessie was an inappropriate distro 
choice.
Rather, Gnome3 is more demanding than your hardware was designed to 
support.
So, (optionally) removing gnome-desktop, and installing any other 
desktop is

what I would try first. Several less demanding options are available. My
preference is overwhelmingly TDE, regardless of hardware capability.

https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall#For_Jessie_.28Debian_8.x.29 
has
TDE installation instructions. The home page link there will provide 
better

description than I can offer.


This desktop will beused in educational environment.



Any suggestion?


Unless your 160GB disk installation unusually constrained your / 
partition
size, you can install multiple desktop environments, try each, then 
simply
continue using whichever turns out to be your favorite, optionally 
removing

the others.

https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment lists Debian's primary desktop
options. If you've been a Gnome user in the past, Mate may turn out to be
your preference.

Alternatively, if switching to another distro is your wish, Edubuntu 
might

turn out to be an ideal choice.
https://www.edubuntu.org/

Canvi d'adreça de correu

[Daniel]

Hola:

Per problemes amb el servidor de correu, m'he vist obligat a canviar 
d'adreça electrònica. La nova és


danielal...@mailcat.cat

Podreu canviar-la als vostres arxius, si us plau?

Moltes gràcies.

--
Daniel Elias
Usuari de Linux nº 461584

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 09:34:05AM +1000, Paul Trevethan wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:27:17 -0700
> Patrick Bartek  wrote:
> 
> > Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 April
> > 2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as announced
> > months ago, finally ceased support for its browser on Wheezy.  I
> > double checked just to be sure, and in the course of that check also
> > discovered "official" Debian support for Wheezy will cease in a
> > little over a week on 26 April 2016 -- just 3 years after its
> > release.  However, it will automatically enter LTS until 2018 at
> > which time all support ceases and EOL "officially" occurs. 
> > 
> > Well, at least I have time to look for an alternative. Maybe, Devuan
> > will be viable by then, but I doubt it.  Or Debian will offer a
> > choice of inits as a standard option during installs on future
> > releases, but I very much doubt it.
> > 
> > B
> > 
> 
> If you want a rock solid Debian based system with no systemd - check
> out Antix distribution.

There is no mail list, only a forum. It shows systemd in it's package
list. 

-- 
Bob Holtzman
A man is a man who will fight with a sword or
conquer Mt. Everest in snow. But the bravest of all
owns a '34 Ford and tries for six thousand in low.

Re: Ayuda!

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Sunday 17 April 2016 16:57:43 Juan Cruz wrote:
> Hola,
> 
> Mi nombre es Juan Cruz, soy de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Estuve teniendo
> problemas con la instalación de Debian. No reconoce mi lectora de cd-dvd,
> pero estoy instalandolo desde una imagen net-install mediante un usb. Por
> otro lado en su momento cuando lo pude hacer en el pasado también tuve que
> subir los drivers de la placa de red ya que no lo reconocía. Me gustaría
> saber como puedo hacer para instalar Debian ya que no encontré este error
> en ningún lado y mucho menos en español.
> 
> Saludos!
¡Hola Juan!

Quizas te ayuda un imagen de CD con firmware ya instalado:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/

Para conseguir mas ayuda en castellano puedes escribir a una de las listas de 
correo en español.

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/index.es.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/

Que te vaya bien y éxito
Eike

-- 
Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE
Agencia Shopping del Sol
1749 Asuncion / Paraguay

Ayuda!

[Juan Cruz]

Hola,

Mi nombre es Juan Cruz, soy de Buenos Aires, Argentina. Estuve teniendo 
problemas con la instalación de Debian. No reconoce mi lectora de cd-dvd, pero 
estoy instalandolo desde una imagen net-install mediante un usb. Por otro lado 
en su momento cuando lo pude hacer en el pasado también tuve que subir los 
drivers de la placa de red ya que no lo reconocía. Me gustaría saber como puedo 
hacer para instalar Debian ya que no encontré este error en ningún lado y mucho 
menos en español.

Saludos!



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[solved] Re: Voir et écouter en streaming la conférence de RMS : fermée !

[err404]

la vidéo est disponible ici:
http://www.tmplab.org/video/index.php?conference=stallman



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Re: No login secreen on Jessie

[Felix Miata]

Markos composed on 2016-04-17 17:22 (UTC):


I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings.



I will do these tests on next Sunday.



But using this message, do you suggest any Linux distribution, based on
Debian, which would be a good alternative to install on this machine?


Nothing I wrote was meant to imply Jessie was an inappropriate distro choice.
Rather, Gnome3 is more demanding than your hardware was designed to support.
So, (optionally) removing gnome-desktop, and installing any other desktop is
what I would try first. Several less demanding options are available. My
preference is overwhelmingly TDE, regardless of hardware capability.

https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall#For_Jessie_.28Debian_8.x.29 has
TDE installation instructions. The home page link there will provide better
description than I can offer.


This desktop will beused in educational environment.



Any suggestion?


Unless your 160GB disk installation unusually constrained your / partition
size, you can install multiple desktop environments, try each, then simply
continue using whichever turns out to be your favorite, optionally removing
the others.

https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment lists Debian's primary desktop
options. If you've been a Gnome user in the past, Mate may turn out to be
your preference.

Alternatively, if switching to another distro is your wish, Edubuntu might
turn out to be an ideal choice.
https://www.edubuntu.org/
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: No login secreen on Jessie

[Markos]

Thanks Felix,

I can use this machine only on Sunday mornings.

I will do these tests on next Sunday.

But using this message, do you suggest any Linux distribution, based on 
Debian, which would be a good alternative to install on this machine?


This desktop will beused in educational environment.

Any suggestion?

Thanks,
Markos

Em 17-04-2016 16:59, Felix Miata escreveu:

Markos composed on 2016-04-17 10:59 (UTC):


I just installed Debian 8.1.0 jessie with CD 1 and CD 2 on a old desktop
with the configuration:



Motherboard: ECS Elitegroup 848P-A (v 1.0)
Processor: Pentium 4 (3GHz),
2GB DDR
HD SATA Seagate Barracuda 160GB
Video: nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]
Network: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
Audio: Intel 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97



I had problems during installation and installed just the basic system.



Later I installed gnome(apt-get install gnome), but after the boot does
not appear the login screen, just a black screen.



How can I find the reason of the problem?



I can log just on text mode with Ctrl+Alt+Fn


The problem could be as simple as the installer having disabled KMS on 
the bootloader's kernel cmdline (nomodeset). 'cat /proc/cmdline' is a 
simple check to find out. If so, it needs to be permanently removed.


If that isn't the case, adding nouveau.config=NvMSI=0 on kernel 
cmdline might help.


Note that Gnome is arguably the most demanding among DEs from the 
hardware, working best and designed for latest/greatest hardware, 
while yours is ~13 years old. You may be better off with a different 
DE and DM with that old entry-level FX 5200 and 32-bit OS version.

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

[David Wright]

On Sun 17 Apr 2016 at 09:42:38 (-0700), Dan Hitt wrote:
> If there's a way to determine if i'm running mDNS on my main linux
> machine i'm certainly interested, but i don't want to be too greedy about 
> this.
> Because, after all, maybe it is reasonable that if my main linux
> machine is sending all these packets around it needs more help
> in determining what's on the local network.

$ grep -i mdns /etc/services 
mdns5353/tcp# Multicast DNS
mdns5353/udp
$ netstat -n -a -e | grep 5353
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:53530.0.0.0:* 10314857  
udp6   0  0 :::5353 :::*  10314858  
$ 

Cheers,
David.

Re: Navegador usaba fuentes no true type.

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 17/04/16 a las 21:08, fernando sainz escribió:
> Leo casi todos los mensajes de la lista, pero mi memoria ya no es lo que era 
> :-)
> 
> Supongo que si se arregla con esto, en las nuevas instalaciones no pasa.

¡A mí me funciona! Es más, incluso, con las ttf-mscorefonts-installer...y
van de perlas...

Veo todos los tipos de letra que se me pongan delante (el único que se ve
tan mal y más pequeño, es el de loteriasyapuestas.es, que hay que bajar el
'zoom' para ver el resto de los menúes), no importa qué tipos de letras le
eches [1], tanto en Firefox (ahora que ya es oficial, pero insisto, prefiero
100.000.000 veces más, el del oficial que de paquete. :þ ) como en cualquier
parte del sistema gráfico.

[1] https://www.google.com/fonts

-- 
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Re: searching for hosts in domain local

[David Wright]

On Sat 16 Apr 2016 at 23:56:11 (-0700), Dan Hitt wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Andy Smith  wrote:
> > ".local" TLD is kind of special so you may find problems anyway -
> > it's used for multicast DNS (Avahi). You may be better off picking a
> > different domain for your local network.
> 
> I didn't pick that name :)

So how did you come by it?

> And my router is a black box which i cannot touch.

Is it a wireless router? How do you set/change to password?

> Is there any way to reload the dhclient.conf file without restarting dhclient?
> I don't want to get a new lease, just have an already running dhclient reread
> the file.  The man page for dhclient doesn't seem to indicate how you
> can get the file reread without restarting dhclient and getting a new lease.
> This seems perplexing to me, because i'm not unhappy with any of the
> ips i'm getting, i just want to be able to refer to hosts by shorter names.

man dhclient on my systems says:

"In order to keep track of leases across system reboots and server
 restarts, dhclient keeps a list of leases it has been assigned in the
 dhclient.leases file. On startup, after reading the dhclient.conf
 file, dhclient reads the dhclient.leases file to refresh its memory
 about what leases it has been assigned."

(in /var/lib/dhcp/ of course.) Don't ask me what happens if you
surreptitiously edit the appropriate line in that file and then
restart your network (or reboot). Others may know.

Cheers,
David.

Re:option --alang de mplayer

[merkedanke]

sound = subtitles = les fichiers sont soit présents soit à extraire


l'option alang devient switch en anglais _ c'est donc à prendre en 
compte



notez que sur un site l'option alang ne prends qu'un tiret pas deux : - 
alang



maintenant votre recherche a dû être mal formulée ; voici ce que 
j'obtiens :


Q : mplayer and rip
R :
https://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/MPlayer.html
https://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/MPlayer.html#menc-feat-dvd-mpeg4
https://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-dvd-mpeg4.html
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273635
https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Mplayer=0#Rip_DVD_to_raw_video
https://www.cpunk.de/static/DVDrip-mit-Mencoder.html

# tapez mplayer and rip sur google

Q : rip sound dvd mplayer
R :
https://scottlinux.com/2010/06/23/rip-dvd-audio-with-mplayer/
https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/rip-audio-track-from-dvd-75291/

# tapez rip sound dvd mplayer sur google

pour ce qui est ce l'install, c'est autre chose ... pour des docs en 
français ; essayez sur des forums fr tels qu'ubuntu par exemple.

l'irc est un bon choix aussi car la réponse est immédiate et exellente.


mais je pensais que les abonnés à une liste francophone avaient plus de 
chances d'utiliser un conversion en français


c'est ridicule ce que vous dîtes puisqu'il s'agit de lignes de commande 
sur un terminal.

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

[David Wright]

On Sat 16 Apr 2016 at 22:14:29 (-0700), Dan Hitt wrote:
> In my local network, the machines generally know each other by names like
> first_host.local
> second_host.local
> third_host.local
> ...
> 
> So if i'm on first_host, i can ssh to second_host with
> ssh my_account@second_host.local
> and i can ping second_host by
> ping second_host.local
> 
> I would like to drop the '.local' because it's an extra six characters
> with absolutely no value.
> 
> In principle, i think it should be possible to by just adding
>  search local
> to my /etc/resolv.conf, but this absolutely does not work.  (I imagine that
> local is a really magic name in some contexts but not very magic in others.)

If your router is ISP-provided, it's probably cheap, therefore lacking
a DNS server, so only routable domains can be looked up on your WAN
nameserver. (Local isn't routable.)

> Furthermore, /etc/resolv.conf doesn't want to be written, as it
> says it is generated automatically, so even if it worked, it wouldn't
> be such a good solution.
> 
> I can sort of fix the situation by editing ~/.ssh/config and adding lines
> Host second_host
> Hostname second_host.local
> but this has the disadvantage that i have to do it for every host on
> the network, and it only affects ssh --- ping and presumably every
> other command (naturally!) do not consult this file.
> 
> (I don't have any influence over my router which comes from
> my service provider, but i wouldn't want to change it even if
> i could, since i'm just asking my own machine to intercept
> a name like second_host and convert it to second_host.local
> before processing further.)

Obviously we don't know what sort of router you have. Does it have a
range of addresses which is does not (or can be told not to) serve
with DHCP? Can you deduce this range by seeing what IP addresses you
*do* get served with? Eg, if all your hosts are 192.168.1.32,
192.168.1.33, 192.168.1.34,... then it's possible that configuring a
machine as venus=192.168.1.12 will just *work*. In which case you can
put all your hosts into /etc/hosts as static addresses, and leave
the network name blank.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Navegador usaba fuentes no true type.

[fernando sainz]

El día 17 de abril de 2016, 20:55, Santiago José López Borrazás
 escribió:
> El 17/04/16 a las 18:20, fernando sainz escribió:
> (...)
>> Esto tiene que ver con el paquete "fontconfig-config"
>
> Yo hace años que lo dije...pero, más que recordar [1]:
>

Leo casi todos los mensajes de la lista, pero mi memoria ya no es lo que era :-)

Supongo que si se arregla con esto, en las nuevas instalaciones no pasa.

S2.


> dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config
>
> Autosugerido
> Siempre
> Y Sí.
>
> Luego:
>
> dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
>
> Y...:
>
> fc-cache -fvr
>
> Tanto como usuario, como root. ¡Y cero problemas!
>
> [1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2008/07/msg00569.html
>
> ¡Y no falla!...
>
> --
> Saludos de Santiago José López Borrazás.
>

Re: Navegador usaba fuentes no true type.

[Santiago José López Borrazás]

El 17/04/16 a las 18:20, fernando sainz escribió:
(...)
> Esto tiene que ver con el paquete "fontconfig-config"

Yo hace años que lo dije...pero, más que recordar [1]:

dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config

Autosugerido
Siempre
Y Sí.

Luego:

dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig

Y...:

fc-cache -fvr

Tanto como usuario, como root. ¡Y cero problemas!

[1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2008/07/msg00569.html

¡Y no falla!...

-- 
Saludos de Santiago José López Borrazás.



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Re: Security updates mirror

[Aero Maxx]

On 17/04/2016 12:36, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hello

A while back I remember seeing an announcement about a 
security.debian.org  mirror in Japan, but 
I've misplaced the announcement. Doing aptitude update when you are in 
Japan and regular old security.debian.org  
is in your sources.list is a slow process (works fine, but slow) -- if 
there is a Japan mirror and I didn't just dream that, I'd like to use 
it. I am of course using a Japan mirror of the regular repository already.


Does anyone know where I can find a list of the security.debian.org 
 mirrors?


Thanks

Mark


Is this of any help to you ?

https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full#JP


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Re:option --alang de mplayer

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, merkeda...@vmail.me wrote:


google est votre ami et -alang en anglais devient switch ...


  merci de votre réponse, mais étant sans doute particulièrement obtus,
  j'ai du mal à la comprendre...
  Si Google est mon ami, il ne m'a pas vraiment aidé sur ce coup, pas plus
  que Bing, DuckDuckGo ou Alot.

cela dépends du dvd , css2 ? zone protégée ? , et des subtitles hors ou ds le 
dvd ...


  je disais que ça marchait avec HandBrakeCLI, ce qui me semble éliminer
  un problème avec le dvd. L'option --alang, comme son nom l'indique,
  ne concerne que la bande son et pas les sous-titres.


mplayer a une mailing-list aussi et une version 2016.


  J'ai aussi fait un post à la liste mplayer-users,
  mais je pensais que les abonnés à une liste francophone avaient plus de 
chances
  d'utiliser un conversion en français
  Quant à la version 2016, avez-vous réussi à installer une version qui marche?
  (voir mon post précédent)


Cordialement,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

[OT] Lenovo Ideapad 100 corriendo MARAVILLOSAMENTE EN LINUX

[Debia Linux]

Listeros:

Agradezco todo el apoyo que me han dado para que la lap-top este
funcionando. Ya esta listo todo, esta funcionando, elimine Windows 10.

Todo a quedado listo.

Si alguien desea apoyo en lo que aprendi, con todo gusto estoy para orientarlos.

Gracias

Debianeromx

Re:option --alang de mplayer

[merkedanke]

google est votre ami et -alang en anglais devient switch ...
cela dépends du dvd , css2 ? zone protégée ? , et des subtitles hors ou 
ds le dvd ...

mplayer a une mailing-list aussi et une version 2016.

Re: No login secreen on Jessie

[Felix Miata]

Markos composed on 2016-04-17 10:59 (UTC):


I just installed Debian 8.1.0 jessie with CD 1 and CD 2 on a old desktop
with the configuration:



Motherboard: ECS Elitegroup 848P-A (v 1.0)
Processor: Pentium 4 (3GHz),
2GB DDR
HD SATA Seagate Barracuda 160GB
Video: nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]
Network: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
Audio: Intel 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97



I had problems during installation and installed just the basic system.



Later I installed gnome(apt-get install gnome), but after the boot does
not appear the login screen, just a black screen.



How can I find the reason of the problem?



I can log just on text mode with Ctrl+Alt+Fn


The problem could be as simple as the installer having disabled KMS on the 
bootloader's kernel cmdline (nomodeset). 'cat /proc/cmdline' is a simple 
check to find out. If so, it needs to be permanently removed.


If that isn't the case, adding nouveau.config=NvMSI=0 on kernel cmdline might 
help.


Note that Gnome is arguably the most demanding among DEs from the hardware, 
working best and designed for latest/greatest hardware, while yours is ~13 
years old. You may be better off with a different DE and DM with that old 
entry-level FX 5200 and 32-bit OS version.

--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata  ***  http://fm.no-ip.com/

Re: ¿Como saber nombre de interfaz wifi?

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 11:49 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
> 2016-04-17 11:08 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
>> 2016-04-17 11:00 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
>>> 2016-04-17 10:48 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :
 El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:43:15 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:

> Como saben, (quienes responden constantemente) tengo la Lenovo ideapad
> 100. La estoy configurando.

 (...)

> La pregunta es ¿Como se el nombre de la interfaz de red?.

 Prueba con "iwconfig"
>>>
>>> Asi es este comando ya lo ejecute desde el comienzo, pero solo me
>>> arroja la siguiente informacion,
>>>
>>> wlp4s0 IEEE 802.11bgn  etc etc etc
>>>
>>> enp3s0 no wireless extension
>>>
>>> io no wireless extension
>>>
>>> Trate de levantar la red (como lo hago comunmente) con
>>>
>>> iup wlp4s0=red
>>
>> erratas... ifup
>
> Ya me esta dando algo:
>
> send_packet. newtwork is down
>
> ¿Tendra algo que ver con el encendido fisico de la tarjeta de red wireles?
>
SOLUCIONADO

Si era el encendido fisico de la tarjeta.

al ser una lap top, tiene una tecla donde se activa y desactiva la
tarjeta wireles.

Gracias por sus comentarios
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> nada...
>>>
>>>
>>>

 Saludos,

 --
 Camaleón

Re: ¿Como saber nombre de interfaz wifi?

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 11:08 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
> 2016-04-17 11:00 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
>> 2016-04-17 10:48 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :
>>> El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:43:15 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:
>>>
 Como saben, (quienes responden constantemente) tengo la Lenovo ideapad
 100. La estoy configurando.
>>>
>>> (...)
>>>
 La pregunta es ¿Como se el nombre de la interfaz de red?.
>>>
>>> Prueba con "iwconfig"
>>
>> Asi es este comando ya lo ejecute desde el comienzo, pero solo me
>> arroja la siguiente informacion,
>>
>> wlp4s0 IEEE 802.11bgn  etc etc etc
>>
>> enp3s0 no wireless extension
>>
>> io no wireless extension
>>
>> Trate de levantar la red (como lo hago comunmente) con
>>
>> iup wlp4s0=red
>
> erratas... ifup

Ya me esta dando algo:

send_packet. newtwork is down

¿Tendra algo que ver con el encendido fisico de la tarjeta de red wireles?




>
>>
>> nada...
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Saludos,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Camaleón
>>>

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

[Dan Hitt]

Andy --- thanks for all your help in diagnosing my situation and educating me!

This includes facts like the nature of these names (second_host was
indeed an example, did not know about the restriction on the names) and
use of dig.

I did some more experimentation on my system, and in fact my other
linux machine (which i'll just call 'secondhost', since 'second_host'
is illegitimate)
has no problems dropping the '.local', for ping and ssh.

And there is a difference between the two machines, which i didn't
think was important, but it must be.  I.e., i think i've been
concealing evidence :(

My main machine ('firsthost') also connects to a little switch (via a
usb-to-ethernet
adapter) where two other machines are.  These other machines are really
allergic to my router so cannot be plugged in directly to it.  (I was amazed
at how easy it was to do this, the network manager on my main linux
machine had a little gui that offered to 'share the network' and it
all just worked.)

None of the names for any of the machines are served.

Now, just for reference, since you were so nice to answer all these questions:

My second linux machine is NXDOMAIN accourding to dig -t a, and that's
also the case for the two hypersensitive machines hiding behind my
main linux machine.

I haven't written anything in any /etc/hosts file anywhere, so the machines
all know each others ips in some other way.

If there's a way to determine if i'm running mDNS on my main linux
machine i'm certainly interested, but i don't want to be too greedy about this.
Because, after all, maybe it is reasonable that if my main linux
machine is sending all these packets around it needs more help
in determining what's on the local network.

If i get to the point where all my hardware is running free software
i may get greedier.  :)

Thanks again for all your help!!

dan



On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 2:19 AM, Andy Smith  wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 11:56:11PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Andy Smith  wrote:
>> > What doesn't work about it?
>>
>> It has no effect.
>>
>> So, if i do
>> ping second_host
>> i get "unknown host" from ping.
>
> OK. So all the hosts on your local network are getting .local as a
> domain name by suggestion of the DHCP server, but do you have a DNS
> server anywhere that is serving those names, or are you putting
> everything in /etc/hosts?
>
> I have done some tests on my own machines and I find that if I add
> "local." to my search line in /etc/resolv.conf it does seem to
> generate a DNS query for whatever.local. I do not have a DNS server
> that is serving the .local zone though, so it gives me NXDOMAIN. Of
> course if I would add google.com to my search list then a query for
> say, "mail" would turn into "mail.google.com" and I'd get an answer.
>
> So I wonder how your DNS is set up.
>
> If you are relying on the ISP-supplied router to serve DNS for names
> it is giving out by DHCP, well, some would and some wouldn't. You
> could check by running DNS diagnostic tools such as "dig" against
> the IP address of your router, e.g.:
>
> dig -t a second-host.local @192.168.0.1
>
> where "second-host.local" is what you want to look up, "192.168.0.1"
> is the IP address of your router and the "-t a" is asking for
> answers of type A: IPv4 address. If that gave an NXDOMAIN answer
> then there isn't any configuration mistake on your side, it's just
> that your router is not acting as a DNS server for that zone.
>
> (By the way, underscores are not permitted in Internet host names,
> so your "first_host" and "second_host" examples are not good, but I
> am guessing they were merely examples.)
>
>> Given this, is there any way to change the network's name?
>
> Although .local is reserved for mDNS, I think that unless you
> actually use mDNS you should be okay. As I say, I put ".local" in my
> search list and then saw DNS queries going out for those names so it
> probably doesn't interfere with (normal, unicast) DNS.
>
>> Is there any way to reload the dhclient.conf file without restarting 
>> dhclient?
>
> These settings only take effect when you get a new lease or renew an
> existing one. So I think the answer is no. Is getting a new lease
> problematic? Normally on a DHCP network you don't tend to care if
> your IP address changes… (if you do care, you can get the DHCP
> server to give you the same one each time, but in your case that'd
> be a setting in the router which you don't manage).
>
>> This seems perplexing to me, because i'm not unhappy with any of the
>> ips i'm getting, i just want to be able to refer to hosts by shorter names.
>
> The issue is that these are different concepts and different
> services here, although they seem related and in your case are being
> provided by the same black box. The black box tells you your IP
> address and your host name and your domain name, so it seems logical
> that it should be able to also 

Re: Pressing ` on Macbook in Debian produces §

[Eric Andrew Lewis]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 6:54 AM, Sven Arvidsson  wrote:
> This isn't really a bug. It was a decision made by the kernel
> developers, and is a really old problem.

Interesting. What was the decision?

Thanks for the alternate fix, I'll use that instead.

Re: Comandos halt, poweroff, shutdown no realizan su funcion en Lenovo Ideapad 100.

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 11:14 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :
> El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:54:45 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:
>
>> 2016-04-17 10:46 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :
>
> (...)
>
 Ahora resulta que cuando ejecuto los comandos mencionados, simplemente
 deja de funcionar la maquina, pero la deja como si quedara en modo
 hibernacion.

 Con respecto al comando reboot, queda igual...

 ¿Alguna idea al respecto? ¿Quizas debo configurar?
>>>
>>> Prueba forzando un apagado con "shutdown -h now" ("man shutdown" para
>>> ver más parámetros que te puedan servir).
>>
>> He realizado lo que me comentas y queda igual, sin ningun cambio. Se
>> queda encendida fisicamente, pero el sistema Debian apagado.
>>
>> Revisare el manual, pero creo que no es problema de este comando, creo
>> que debera ser alguna configuracion para el hardware.
>
> Pues... ¡a googlear! :-)
>
> https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0=en_rd=cr,ssl#complete=0=en=lenovo+ideapad+100+linux+shutdown

SOLUCIONADO

Explico como lo realice a continuacion.

En la bios active WIN8 64bit
tenia activado OS OTHERS

Posteriormente ajecute para que leyera las configuraciones por default

LOAD DEFAULT SETTINGS

Me fui a la pestaña boot

Active el arranque por LEGACY

Reinicie la maquina y... ASUNTO SOLUCIONADO.


Gracias por la informacion Camaleon.

Debianermx

>
> Saludos,
>
> --
> Camaleón
>

Navegador usaba fuentes no true type.

[fernando sainz]

Hola.

Tengo un equipo actualizado de Wheezy a Jessie (No recuerdo si a su
vez era una actualización también)

La cuestión es que el navegador en Jessie me visualizaba algunas cosas
usando fuentes que no eran true type (fuentes de bitmaps, muy
pixeladas),  a diferencia del Wheezy que tengo en otro equipo que lo
hace bien.

Tras buscar a ver si me faltaba instalar algún paquete, investigando
un poco, encontré que en el directorio /etc/fonts/conf.d había un
enlace roto que se correspondía con el de la versión de Wheezy:

70-no-bitmaps.conf -> /etc/fonts/conf.avail/70-no-bitmaps.conf
Lo cambié por el correcto de Jessie:
70-no-bitmaps.conf -> /usr/share/fonts/conf.avail/70-no-bitmaps.conf

Ahora Jessie ya usa fuentes true type.

Esto tiene que ver con el paquete "fontconfig-config"

La pregunta es: ¿puede alguno con una instalación limpia de Jessie
verificar que el enlace está bien y alguno que haya hecho una
actualización desde Wheezy hacer lo mismo?

Gracias de antemano.

S2.

Re: ¿Como saber nombre de interfaz wifi?

[Camaleón]

El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:00:56 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:

> 2016-04-17 10:48 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :
>> El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:43:15 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:
>>
>>> Como saben, (quienes responden constantemente) tengo la Lenovo ideapad
>>> 100. La estoy configurando.
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>> La pregunta es ¿Como se el nombre de la interfaz de red?.
>>
>> Prueba con "iwconfig"
> 
> Asi es este comando ya lo ejecute desde el comienzo, pero solo me arroja
> la siguiente informacion,
> 
> wlp4s0 IEEE 802.11bgn  etc etc etc
  ^^

(...)

Pues ahí la tienes ;-)

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: Comandos halt, poweroff, shutdown no realizan su funcion en Lenovo Ideapad 100.

[Camaleón]

El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:54:45 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:

> 2016-04-17 10:46 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :

(...)

>>> Ahora resulta que cuando ejecuto los comandos mencionados, simplemente
>>> deja de funcionar la maquina, pero la deja como si quedara en modo
>>> hibernacion.
>>>
>>> Con respecto al comando reboot, queda igual...
>>>
>>> ¿Alguna idea al respecto? ¿Quizas debo configurar?
>>
>> Prueba forzando un apagado con "shutdown -h now" ("man shutdown" para
>> ver más parámetros que te puedan servir).
> 
> He realizado lo que me comentas y queda igual, sin ningun cambio. Se
> queda encendida fisicamente, pero el sistema Debian apagado.
> 
> Revisare el manual, pero creo que no es problema de este comando, creo
> que debera ser alguna configuracion para el hardware.

Pues... ¡a googlear! :-)

https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0=en_rd=cr,ssl#complete=0=en=lenovo+ideapad+100+linux+shutdown

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: ¿Como saber nombre de interfaz wifi?

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 11:00 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux :
> 2016-04-17 10:48 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :
>> El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:43:15 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:
>>
>>> Como saben, (quienes responden constantemente) tengo la Lenovo ideapad
>>> 100. La estoy configurando.
>>
>> (...)
>>
>>> La pregunta es ¿Como se el nombre de la interfaz de red?.
>>
>> Prueba con "iwconfig"
>
> Asi es este comando ya lo ejecute desde el comienzo, pero solo me
> arroja la siguiente informacion,
>
> wlp4s0 IEEE 802.11bgn  etc etc etc
>
> enp3s0 no wireless extension
>
> io no wireless extension
>
> Trate de levantar la red (como lo hago comunmente) con
>
> iup wlp4s0=red

erratas... ifup


>
> nada...
>
>
>
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>> --
>> Camaleón
>>

Re: ¿Como saber nombre de interfaz wifi?

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 10:48 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :
> El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:43:15 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:
>
>> Como saben, (quienes responden constantemente) tengo la Lenovo ideapad
>> 100. La estoy configurando.
>
> (...)
>
>> La pregunta es ¿Como se el nombre de la interfaz de red?.
>
> Prueba con "iwconfig"

Asi es este comando ya lo ejecute desde el comienzo, pero solo me
arroja la siguiente informacion,

wlp4s0 IEEE 802.11bgn  etc etc etc

enp3s0 no wireless extension

io no wireless extension

Trate de levantar la red (como lo hago comunmente) con

iup wlp4s0=red

nada...



>
> Saludos,
>
> --
> Camaleón
>

Re: Script doesn't work when it is run using '#!/bin/sh'

[tomas]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 03:47:24PM +0100, Aero Maxx wrote:
> On 16/04/2016 14:08, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >Hash: SHA1
> >
> >On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 01:22:09PM +0100, Aero Maxx wrote:
> >>I have a number of bash scripts that work perfectly fine on fedora
> >>23, but do not work on debian 8.  I've tried to sort it out myself,
> >>but am a little stuck now hopefully someone is able to give me a
> >>nudge in the right direction.
> >>The output I get from the above script is
> >>>wordpress_beta.sh: 8: bashtest.sh: [[: not found
> >>>wordpress_beta.sh: 8: bashtest.sh: web: not found
> >>>wordpress_beta.sh: 8: bashtest.sh: web: not found
> >>>
> >>>Setting current directory to 'web' web public folder.
> >The [[ is correct bash syntax. To try to pinpoint the problem, try
> >running the script with "bash 

Re: ¿Como saber nombre de interfaz wifi?

[Camaleón]

El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:43:15 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:

> Como saben, (quienes responden constantemente) tengo la Lenovo ideapad
> 100. La estoy configurando.

(...)

> La pregunta es ¿Como se el nombre de la interfaz de red?.

Prueba con "iwconfig"

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: Comandos halt, poweroff, shutdown no realizan su funcion en Lenovo Ideapad 100.

[Debia Linux]

:-)

2016-04-17 10:46 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :
> El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:36:22 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:
>
>> Listeros:
>>
>> Continuo configurando esta maquina.
>
> Ah, ¿ya has instalado Debian? Qué bien :-)

Asi es :-):-):-):-)

Ya postee la manera en que lo hice.

>
>> Ahora resulta que cuando ejecuto los comandos mencionados, simplemente
>> deja de funcionar la maquina, pero la deja como si quedara en modo
>> hibernacion.
>>
>> Con respecto al comando reboot, queda igual...
>>
>> ¿Alguna idea al respecto? ¿Quizas debo configurar?
>
> Prueba forzando un apagado con "shutdown -h now" ("man shutdown" para ver
> más parámetros que te puedan servir).

He realizado lo que me comentas y queda igual, sin ningun cambio. Se
queda encendida fisicamente, pero el sistema Debian apagado.

Revisare el manual, pero creo que no es problema de este comando, creo
que debera ser alguna configuracion para el hardware.



>
> Saludos,
>
> --
> Camaleón
>

Re: Comandos halt, poweroff, shutdown no realizan su funcion en Lenovo Ideapad 100.

[Camaleón]

El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:36:22 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:

> Listeros:
> 
> Continuo configurando esta maquina.

Ah, ¿ya has instalado Debian? Qué bien :-)

> Ahora resulta que cuando ejecuto los comandos mencionados, simplemente
> deja de funcionar la maquina, pero la deja como si quedara en modo
> hibernacion.
> 
> Con respecto al comando reboot, queda igual...
> 
> ¿Alguna idea al respecto? ¿Quizas debo configurar?

Prueba forzando un apagado con "shutdown -h now" ("man shutdown" para ver 
más parámetros que te puedan servir).

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: Silver Light

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 10:43 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :
> El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:33:45 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:
>
>> 2016-04-17 8:30 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :
>
> (...)
>
>>> Como te dice Gonzalo, Moonlight era la opción para Linux pero ese
>>> proyecto hace años que dejó de estar activo.
>>
>> Supongo que podre instalarlo y resolver los conflictos que me ponen
>> enfrente.
>
> Recuerda que la última versión disponible de Moonlight es compatible sólo
> con la versión 4 de Silverlight, cuando la última versión disponible es
> la 5.
>
> Con este tipo de complementos (al igual que sucede con java o flash
> player) hay que tener cuidado y ver qué requisitos exige la página web
> que hace uso de ellos porque quizá necesites una versión concreta.
>
> En cualquier caso es una locura requerir el uso de una aplicación
> obsoleta en proyectos gubernamentales (!) por lo que tampoco estaría de
> más que les mandaras unas líneas recordando que el software ya no tiene
> desarrollo y resulta peligroso ;-)
>
> Aquí en España ha pasado algo similar con el complemento de java: ahora
> que Oracle lo quiere liquidar y Chrome no lo permite instalar todas las
> instituciones lo solicitan para cargar la firma electrónica... manda,
> narices ¡siempre al revés del mundo!


Vaya que si estas informada de todo...

¡¡Guau ¡Asi le hace el perro...
¡¡¡    ¿Como le hace un camaleon?



>
> Saludos,
>
> --
> Camaleón
>

Re: [OFF TOPIC] Oportunidade de trabalho salário R$3.392

[Thiago Oliveira]

O problema maior desta vaga na minha visão ela é ilegal, pois frauda a CLT,
independente se for uma contratação pessoa fisica (freelancer) ou PJ. Pois
haverá uma regularidade nos serviços prestados. Só por este motivo a vejo
como anti-etica.
Sim tem gente que aceita tudo, pois esta com a corda no pescoço, mas nem
por isto devemos justificar e aceitar que haja no mercado de trabalho
vagas-escravidão;

Um pouco de ética faria bem a todo mundo e em qualquer situação...

Em 16 de abril de 2016 16:10, Alexandre 
escreveu:

>
> Olá Marcos;
>
> *A Resolução CFM nº 1.931/2009, atual Código de Ética Médica,
> prescreve em seu artigo que:*
>
> *“Art. 11. Receitar, atestar ou emitir laudos de forma secreta ou
> ilegível, sem a devida identificação de seu número de registro no Conselho
> Regional de Medicina da sua jurisdição, bem como assinar em branco folhas
> de receituários, atestados, laudos ou quaisquer outros documentos médicos.”
> *
>
> Logo o referido profissional deve proferir a mesma de forma legível,
> o paciente pode exigir isso, no caso da letra cursiva não ser adequada o
> mesmo pode imprimir, carimbar e assinar.
>
>
>  Sobre " sempre sabe explicar a função dos medicamentos prescritos":
> O médico prescreve, dúvidas devem ser sanadas com o mesmo, bem como
> dosagem, posologia e etc. Além de cada farmácia ter um farmacêutico de
> plantão esse sim apto para descrever a função dos fármacos, mas jamais
> trocar, indicar ou qualquer cosia do gênero.
>
> Resumindo, o "balconista" começa a consultar, clinicar e ou prescrever
> medicamentos, posologia e etc é exercício ilegal da profissão de medicina
> (Essa sim séria e da cadeia, diferente de T.I. que todos metem o bedelho).
>
> Att.
>
>
> Em 16-04-2016 13:47, Marcos Ferreira escreveu:
>
> Onde moro, balconista de farmácia tem que saber interpretar os rabiscos
> das receitas e sempre sabe explicar a função dos medicamentos prescritos.
> Realmente, pegar remédio na prateleira qualquer um faz.
>
> Em 13 de abril de 2016 21:42, Alexandre <
> alexandremartinscu...@yahoo.com.br> escreveu:
>
>>
>> Boa tarde a todos;
>>
>> Eu entendo o lado de ambos, mais como o colegas Thobias deixou muito
>> bem colocado não podemos faltar com o respeito, ofensas não devem ser
>> permitidas e se me permitem nem palavras de baixo calão.
>>
>> Sobre o tema vou deixar minha definição, e repondo em seguida, dessa
>> forma , fica mais fácil a crítica.
>>
>> Estagiário  - Não sabe o que fazer, nem como fazer. Não sabe nada de
>> nada, até porque convenhamos, a faculdade e ou curso técnico raramente
>> ensina algo, voltado para o mercado, mais demostra disposição para aprender.
>>
>> Júnior  -  Sabe o que fazer, mais não como fazer. Ex: Sabe que
>> precisa de um DHCP e DNS, mais não sabe como montar, se vai ter ou não
>> slave etc.
>>
>> Pleno  eSênior - O que os difere é o tempo para determinada
>> tarefa. Ex: Montar um servidor HA, o Sênior faz em 4 semanas o Pleno em 6,
>> 7 semanas.
>>
>> Óbvio que todos terão dúvidas, porém é isso que espero dos mesmos.
>>
>> Sobre a vaga:
>>
>> "
>> Preciso de um profissional com curso superior em tecnologia (tencnólogo,
>> poli técnico ou graduação)  concluído para ocupar uma vaga de gerente de
>> servidores. é necessário vivencia em SO Linux (Debian e Ubuntu),
>> experiência com serviços de rede BIND, DHCP, SAMBA 3 e 4, Samba 4 DC AD,
>> IPTABLES e virtualização, conhecimento em rede de computadores e entusiasmo
>> em agregar novos conhecimentos. Essa oportunidade é de regime extra quadro
>> sem vínculo empregatício e contratação por tempo indeterminado. O ambiente
>> oferece uma excelente oportunidade para o aprimoramento de conhecimento,
>> interessados por favor me procurem neste mesmo e-mail enviando em anexo o
>> seu Curriculo "
>>
>> Aqui consta o primeiro equívoco, gerente, gerencia não atua, quem faz
>> isso é analista e técnico.
>>
>> Solicita vivência, logo ou é pleno ou sênior, acredito ser razoável para
>> tal saber os requisitos.
>>
>> Aqui cabe um menção:
>>
>> A referida vaga não pede certificação e nem mesmo comprovação de
>> experiência, logo um autônomo pode facilmente afirmar que te me entrar.
>>
>> Aqui também tem uma observação, a vaga não pede comprovação, logo você
>> como autônomo pode er feito
>>
>> Aqui fiquei em dúvida: "Essa oportunidade é de regime extra quadro sem
>> vínculo empregatício"
>>
>> Se refere ao tocante de ser uma universidade um entende federal cuja
>> forma de egresso é via concurso público? Ou na modalidade PJ e por isso não
>> fala em benefícios?
>>
>>  Eu moro no Rio capital (No subúrbio Méier, classe média alta).
>>
>> Aqui uso a seguinte medida :
>>
>> Júnior R$ 4500,00, Plenos R$ 5500,00 e Sênior R$ 6500,00, coordenador R$
>> 8000,00, modalidade CLT
>>
>> Esses valores uso para desenvolvimento Java, mais acredito que deve ser
>> usado para referência como analista em geral, mesmo sabendo que o mercado
>> paga menos para infra 

Re: Silver Light

[Camaleón]

El Sun, 17 Apr 2016 10:33:45 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:

> 2016-04-17 8:30 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :

(...)

>> Como te dice Gonzalo, Moonlight era la opción para Linux pero ese
>> proyecto hace años que dejó de estar activo.
> 
> Supongo que podre instalarlo y resolver los conflictos que me ponen
> enfrente.

Recuerda que la última versión disponible de Moonlight es compatible sólo 
con la versión 4 de Silverlight, cuando la última versión disponible es 
la 5. 

Con este tipo de complementos (al igual que sucede con java o flash 
player) hay que tener cuidado y ver qué requisitos exige la página web 
que hace uso de ellos porque quizá necesites una versión concreta. 

En cualquier caso es una locura requerir el uso de una aplicación 
obsoleta en proyectos gubernamentales (!) por lo que tampoco estaría de 
más que les mandaras unas líneas recordando que el software ya no tiene 
desarrollo y resulta peligroso ;-)

Aquí en España ha pasado algo similar con el complemento de java: ahora 
que Oracle lo quiere liquidar y Chrome no lo permite instalar todas las 
instituciones lo solicitan para cargar la firma electrónica... manda, 
narices ¡siempre al revés del mundo!

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

¿Como saber nombre de interfaz wifi?

[Debia Linux]

Listeros:

Buenos dias, mas trabajo tengo.

Como saben, (quienes responden constantemente) tengo la Lenovo ideapad
100. La estoy configurando.

Cuando estaba instalando el sistema base, automaticamente se detecto
la tarjeta de red inalambrica. Me pido el driver, se lo proporcione
mediante usb, instalo y comenzo a funcionar.

Me mostro las redes disponibles, elegi la que deseaba, me pido la
contraseña, se la ofreci... se conecto a la red para verificar los
sitios donde se descargaria toda la informacion de ahi en adelante y
creó el archivo sources.list.

Termino de instalar... y yo supongo que "Ya deberia estar configurada"
la tarjeta wireless, lo unico que tendria que hacer es arrancarla.

Asi que ejecuto como root

ifup wlan0

me dice que la inte3rfaz de red no existe...

La pregunta es ¿Como se el nombre de la interfaz de red?.

Gracias

Comandos halt, poweroff, shutdown no realizan su funcion en Lenovo Ideapad 100.

[Debia Linux]

Listeros:

Continuo configurando esta maquina.

Ahora resulta que cuando ejecuto los comandos mencionados, simplemente
deja de funcionar la maquina, pero la deja como si quedara en modo
hibernacion.

Con respecto al comando reboot, queda igual...

¿Alguna idea al respecto? ¿Quizas debo configurar?

Gracias

Debianeromx

Re: Silver Light

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 8:30 GMT-05:00 Camaleón :
> El Sat, 16 Apr 2016 22:54:25 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:
>
> (...)
>
>> Resulta que me pidieron que necesitan entrar a un portal del gobierno,
>> pero este portal les pide tener instalado Silver Light (por supuesto de
>> Microsoft).
>
> Vaya, no sabía que siguiera vivo...
>
>> Existe alguna alternativa libre para suplir este requisito (sin recurrir
>> a Wine por supuesto).
>
> Como te dice Gonzalo, Moonlight era la opción para Linux pero ese
> proyecto hace años que dejó de estar activo.

Supongo que podre instalarlo y resolver los conflictos que me ponen enfrente.


Gracias


>
> Tienes más información en Wikipedia:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Silverlight
>
> Saludos,
>
> --
> Camaleón
>

Re: Silver Light

[Debia Linux]

2016-04-17 7:58 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Rivero :
> El sáb, 16-04-2016 a las 22:54 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:
>> Listeros buenas noches:
>>
>> Les comento que tengo mas trabajo aun (esto de resolver problemas
>> tiene ventajas)... te piden mas trabajes mas...
>>
>> Ahora les comento.
>>
>> Resulta que me pidieron que necesitan entrar a un portal del
>> gobierno,
>> pero este portal les pide tener instalado Silver Light (por supuesto
>> de Microsoft).
>>
>> Existe alguna alternativa libre para suplir este requisito (sin
>> recurrir a Wine por supuesto).
>>
>> Gracias
>>
>> Debianeromx
>>
> había un moonlight http://www.mono-project.com/docs/web/moonlight/ pero
> parece que el proyecto está muerto.
>
> No sabía que alguien había usado esa cosa de silverlight alguna vez, y
> menos en la actualidad que el soporte de plugin por fin parece ir en
> retirada

Pues agradezco la informacion y verificare el enlace que me proporcionas.

Gracias

No login secreen on Jessie

[Markos]

Hi,

I just installed Debian 8.1.0 jessie with CD 1 and CD 2 on a old desktop 
with the configuration:


Motherboard: ECS Elitegroup 848P-A (v 1.0)
Processor: Pentium 4 (3GHz),
2GB DDR
HD SATA Seagate Barracuda 160GB
Video: nVidia NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]
Network: Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+
Audio: Intel 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97

I had problems during installation and installed just the basic system.

Later I installed gnome(apt-get install gnome), but after the boot does 
not appear the login screen, just a black screen.


How can I find the reason of the problem?

I can log just on text mode with Ctrl+Alt+Fn

Thanks,
Markos

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, at 14:28, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Let's assume a subordinate script ...

Thank-you!  That's devious.

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Gene Heskett wrote:
> they do not have enough voltage 
> across the oxide film to keep it "formed" so the oxide slowly reverts as 
> its in an oxygen free environment

I always preferred math over chemistry.


> So I should change my single quotes to double-quotes.

Rather not. At least not as general advise. Beware.


The single '-quotes enclose constants (with special meaning of $'...',
in bash but not in dash).
Their use case is to keep whitespace or special characters from being
converted.
'gene' does not really need them, because it is only one word.
But 'Gene Heskett' or ';(|[$' would need them to be handled as a single
argument to some program run or to avoid shell parser complaints.

  $ echo ;(|[$
  bash: syntax error near unexpected token `|'
  $ echo ';(|[$'
  ;(|[$

In bash only:

  $ echo $'xyz\010abc'
  xyabc

(octal 010 = decimal 8 = ASCII BS backspace did eat the "z")


The double "-quotes should often be put around variable evaluations in
order to make the variable content a single argument to some program
run. These quotation marks protect whitespace and some special
characters. But they do not prevent variable evaluation and similar
text conversions.

man bash says:

  Enclosing  characters  in  double quotes preserves the literal value of
  all characters within the quotes, with the exception of $, `,  \,  and,
  when  history  expansion  is enabled, !.  The characters $ and ` retain
  their special meaning within double quotes.  The backslash retains  its
  special  meaning only when followed by one of the following characters:
  $, `, ", \, or .  A double quote may be quoted  within  double
  quotes by preceding it with a backslash.  If enabled, history expansion
  will be performed unless an !  appearing in double  quotes  is  escaped
  using a backslash.  The backslash preceding the !  is not removed.

One may put each variable into its own "-pair or one may mix constant
text and variable evaluation inside a one pair of "-quotes.

I use the for-loop to demonstrate content and number of perceived
program arguments. Any program or sub script will see the words
between "in" and the first ";" as the argument list which is printed
here by the for-loops.
The appended echo commands produce spacer lines for better readbility.

  $ for i in a b c ; do echo "$i" ; done ; echo
  a
  b
  c

  $ x='X  Y  Z'
  $ for i in a $x c ; do echo "$i" ; done ; echo
  a
  X
  Y
  Z
  c

  $ for i in a "$x" c ; do echo "$i" ; done ; echo
  a
  X  Y  Z
  c

  $ for i in "a $x c" ; do echo "$i" ; done ; echo
  a X  Y  Z b

  $ for i in "a${x}c" ; do echo "$i" ; done ; echo
  aX  Y  Zb

Single quotes and double quotes can protect each other from the
shell parser:

  $ echo '"'"$x"'"'
  "X  Y  Z"
  $ echo "'"'"'"$x"'"'"'"
  '"X  Y  Z"'

(It can become as inflationary as Lisp brackets ...)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Question wget

[mahashakti89]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:26:10PM +0200, mireero wrote:

On 04/16/2016 04:40 PM, mahashakti89 wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 02:27:56PM +0200, Belaïd wrote:

Bonjour,
Je suis sur une version 1.16-1 de wget, et l'option -c fonctionne très
bien.
Quelle est ta version ?


Bonjour,

Je suis en Sid , version 1.17.1-1+b1. Histoire de voir j'ai essayé sur
une Ubuntu - sensiblement la même version de wget - et là ça fonctionne.


Idem sur stable (1.16)


En fait le problème est apparu lors du passage de la version 1.16 à
1.17.


mahashakti89







Cordialement




Le 16 avril 2016 à 10:04,  a écrit :

  Bonjour,

  Auparavant on pouvait passer l'option -c à wget pour continuer un
  téléchargement interrompu. Avec la version actuelle cela ne marche
plus on
  obtient la réponse : file not modified on server. Omitting download.
  Est-ce un bogue ou une option à rajouter?
  Cordialement




On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 12:26:10PM +0200, mireero wrote:

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

[Tom Browder]

On Sunday, April 17, 2016, Renaud OLGIATI 
wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:48:16 +
> Mark Fletcher > wrote:
>
> > It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about
> > "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing?
>
> You are missing that the change to systemd makes most of the knowledge
> patiently acquired over the years running and caring for a Linux system has
> suddenly become unusable


Note I initially felt the same way, but the new system seemed to use my
LSB-formatted init scripts just fine.

Best regards,

-Tom

Re: Silver Light

[Camaleón]

El Sat, 16 Apr 2016 22:54:25 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:

(...)

> Resulta que me pidieron que necesitan entrar a un portal del gobierno,
> pero este portal les pide tener instalado Silver Light (por supuesto de
> Microsoft).

Vaya, no sabía que siguiera vivo...
 
> Existe alguna alternativa libre para suplir este requisito (sin recurrir
> a Wine por supuesto).

Como te dice Gonzalo, Moonlight era la opción para Linux pero ese 
proyecto hace años que dejó de estar activo.

Tienes más información en Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Silverlight

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Michael Milliman]

On 04/17/2016 08:28 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi,

Jeremy Nicoll wrote:

would anyone ever code:
  bin/mailwatcher 2>&1 >/dev/null
when surely all they need is
  bin/mailwatcher >/dev/null

Interesting question. (Like what is the use case of cat(1) ?)
Surely this is one of the less useful variations of the rules
for redirection.


Let's assume a subordinate script which expects to get started
with stdout redirected to some non-vanilla target.
For some reason it could decide to direct the stderr of one of
its own sub-subordinate scripts to stdout as prepared by its
superior script and to direct the sub-subordinate stdout to /dev/null.

Superior:

   subordinate | result_consumer

Subordinate

   ...
 echo "Note: Switching to diagnostic output mode"
 subsubordinate 2>&1 >/dev/null
   ...

Subsubordinate:

   ... some (in this case) invalid output to stdout ...
   echo "Failed because ..." >&2
   ...


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Wow, that's pretty arcane, but pretty cool as well. While understanding 
how redirection works, I had never considered such a case.  It does 
point out the power of the redirection options available, though.


--
Mike

Re: Can you help me figure out why I can't get Grub to install from a standard CD .iso?

[Tom Browder]

I used the Mate DVD (8.4) with the non-free packages for a fresh install on
my Dell 6500 laptop. The initial installation went fine. Then I powered
down and went to give a presentation and could not get it to boot into the
graphical desktop. I reinstalled again and had the same failure.

In a final (and successful, whew!) atttempt I used the regular x64
netinst CD, selected Mate as my only desktop, and all has been well since
(fingers still crossed but loosening by the day).

Note the Debian website says the special DVDs don't get as much testing, so
I suspect my laptop might have found a bug.  Unfortunately I don't have
ensough data to confirm that.

HTH

Best regards,

-Tom

P.S. I love the Mate desktop as it is. Please don't add any more bells and
whistles from the pop culture, just maintain it in the choice of desktops
for the normal Debian distribution.

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)

[Michael Milliman]

On 04/17/2016 07:00 AM, Eike Lantzsch wrote:

On Sunday 17 April 2016 11:48:16 Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman <

michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've never really
liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just
like the simplicity of the init system better.  Admittedly, I may well
be undereducated on systemd resulting in my prejudice.

Speaking of prejudice -- question to the list in general -- why the vitriol
in the linux community about systemd? I read the "I'm changing distros
because I don't like systemd" type blog posts, and the "Debian devs are
evil for forcing systemd on us" and so on -- and then I tried it. I've even
built a LFS system using it. I really, really can't see what the fuss is
about. Yes, it's complicated, but then init was quite capable of confusing
the living daylights out of me as well...

It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about
"if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing?

Mark

All the pros and cons of system.d have been discussed and ranted about here
and can be easily found in the archives. I personally don't think that it is
necessary to go through those discussions again.

Easily one can slip some emotional comment [sigh!] (sic) into a posting but it
is unnecessary to jump on it - no?
Yeah, IMHO the emotionalism is anti-productive.  I have my opinion and 
my reasons for said opinion, but when emotions become involved in the 
discussion, all real logical consideration of the merits of one system 
over another go out the door.  We should really be trying to get the 
best system we can, whether with init or systemd, and that should be 
based on the merits of the two competing systems, not on opinion and 
emotion.  Both systems work.  Both systems have merit, and I acknowledge 
that my preference for init over systemd my well be due to ignorance 
than anything else.

All the best to y'all
Eike



--
Mike

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> would anyone ever code:
>  bin/mailwatcher 2>&1 >/dev/null
> when surely all they need is
>  bin/mailwatcher >/dev/null

Interesting question. (Like what is the use case of cat(1) ?)
Surely this is one of the less useful variations of the rules
for redirection.


Let's assume a subordinate script which expects to get started
with stdout redirected to some non-vanilla target.
For some reason it could decide to direct the stderr of one of
its own sub-subordinate scripts to stdout as prepared by its
superior script and to direct the sub-subordinate stdout to /dev/null.

Superior:

  subordinate | result_consumer

Subordinate

  ...
echo "Note: Switching to diagnostic output mode"
subsubordinate 2>&1 >/dev/null
  ...

Subsubordinate:

  ... some (in this case) invalid output to stdout ...
  echo "Failed because ..." >&2
  ...


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Problema arrancando Debian 8.3 en laptop

[Camaleón]

El Sat, 16 Apr 2016 18:05:36 +0200, Angel Vicente escribió:

(...)

> El Sat, 16 Apr 2016 14:28:53 + (UTC)
> Camaleón  escribió:

>> > Bueno, un cambio que creo importante: la sintaxis
>> > modulo.blacklist=1 o modulo.blacklist=yes, no parece hacer nada.   
>> 
>> ¿Estás seguro de que ese es el parámetro correcto? :-?
> 
> Estoy seguro que es incorrecto

¿Entonces...? Si el parámetro no es aceptado por el kernel obviamente no 
hará nada :-)

Para saber qué parámetros admite un módulo del kernel puedes ejecutar 
como root "modinfo /ruta/al/modulo.ko" (valores "parm").

>> > He probado (está documentado en man modprobe) con
>> > modprobe.blacklist=yenta_socket y arranca hasta el
>> > final, he pedido al usuario que pruebe todo y parece que va todo
>> > bien;  
>> 
>> Sí, es lo que dicen en el informe del bug de Ubuntu, por eso debe 
>> tratarse de un error del kernel, algún problema con ese módulo de la 
>> PCMCIA que impide la carga del sistema y al desactivarlo se obra la
>> magia.
> 
> Claro, pero lo que yo estaba probando (en diferido) era
> yenta_socket.blacklist=1 y eso no hace nada.

Para poner en la lista negra un módulo del kernel y que no se cargue 
(aunque no siempre es posible) puedes hacer lo que indican aquí:

https://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Michael Milliman]

On 04/17/2016 03:21 AM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, at 07:25, Michael Milliman wrote:


Yes, this is the correct incantation.  The difference is very subtle.
With ... 2>&1 >/dev/null, the error output is redirected to be the same
as the standard output, and then the standard output is redirected to
/dev/null -- leaving the error output still going to the original
standard output (terminal).

Why is the "2>&1" part needed?   Wouldn't stderr go to the terminal by
default?

stderr goes to terminal by default, yes.  And in the first, incorrect 
incantation ...2>&1 >/dev/null, the redirection of the stderr to the 
same as stdout has basically no effect, though it does in theory 
redirect the stderr to the same place as stdout. In the second 
incantation ...>/dev/null 2>&1 the stdout is first redirected where you 
want the ouput to go, then the stderr is sent to the same place as 
stdout.  This has the effect of redirecting both outputs to /dev/null, 
whereas the incorrect syntax leaves the stderr going to the terminal 
while stdout is properly redirected this is the same effect as if the 
2>&1 portion was not present because it was processed before the 
redirection of stdout to /dev/null.  Bash processes the redirections in 
order as it reads them on the command line, and acts appropriately.


--
Mike

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 17 April 2016 08:06:13 Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> [Second try to send this mail. Looks like lists.debian.org had a
>  few minutes of inconsciousness. No reply on ping or https.]
>
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > In normal everyday operation, the variable ${InMail} will not be
> > empty.
>
> Well, normally the 10 uF capacitors suffice for the projected
> life time of the dishwasher. :))
>
No.  The fact that it even ran 5 years amazes me.  The use of 16 volt 
electrolytic caps in a 5 volt circuit is an extreme miss-use of that 
type of capacitor because at 5 volts, they do not have enough voltage 
across the oxide film to keep it "formed" so the oxide slowly reverts as 
its in an oxygen free environment since the electrolyte is an extremely 
pure, called technical grade, ethylene glycol. The net result is that 
the 10 uf goes away, often in less than 5 years.  These were down to 
about what they would have been had they been even bigger paper caps, or 
in the .02uf to .03uf range.

The higher voltage stuff was fine although my meter overflows at 1000 uf 
and up. I need to buy my own ESR meter.

Possibly interesting story about the capacitor shortage back in the 70's 
when OPEC rationed the oil.  As the tx supervisor at KXNE-TV-19 for the 
Nebraska ETV folks at the time, it was coming toward the first frost of 
the fall, and I needed to convert the tx coolant to about 30% 
antifreeze.  That antifreeze cannot be contaminated with the usual 
automotive rust and corrosion inhibitors as they would make it 
conductive, whereas pure water, distilled or de-ionized is a great 
insulator. Since that conversion takes a 55 gallon drum of the pure 
stuff, I got on the horn and started trying to run a barrel of it down, 
calling all over the country till I finally found a barrel of technical 
grade, even purer stuff, sitting on the Mobil Oil dock 150 miles away in 
Omaha NE.  Pricy but I bought it, no choice.  That barrel had been 
earmarked for a JIT shipment to Cornel-Dubilair some weeks later.  My 
buying the last barrel in captivity caused much of that capacitor 
shortage.  And until we sorted the OPEC embargo, no petroleum could be 
spared to make any more of it.  It doesn't take much in each cap so that 
barrel was about a years supply for C-D.  Aerovox, Sangamo, Sprague, 
were all in the same boat.

> The bashism "[[ ${InMail} = 'gene' ]]" hides the pitfall that
> whitespace in a variable will normally yield more than word. (That's
> quite unexpected from the general view of shell programming, but
> documented in man bash.)
>
> With conservative shell gestures one should enclose variable
> evaluation in " quotation marks in order to get the content as exactly
> one word:
>
>   $ InMail="a b"
>   $ if [[ ${InMail} = 'gene' ]] ; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
>   no
>   $ if test ${InMail} = 'gene'; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
>   bash: test: too many arguments
>   no
>   $ if test "${InMail}" = 'gene'; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
>   no
>
> With empty text and no "-marks you get the contrary complaint about
> 0 words as evaluation result:
>
>   $ InMail=""
>   $ if test ${InMail} = 'gene'; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
>   bash: test: =: unary operator expected
>   no
>
>
> Google "portable shell" tells me that the gesture
>
>   test "x$variable" = xconstant
>
> does not really target empty variable content but rather reserved
> words as variable content.
> The command test(1) (bash builtin or /usr/bin/test) seems to be quite
> tolerant with syntax errors caused by reserved words where operants
> are expected.
> I fail to make it complain about content like
>   $ InMail="("
>   $ InMail="-f"
> if i use proper "-marks.
>
So I should change my single quotes to double-quotes.  And use test. And 
dump the doubled brackets.

Changes made, test run underway. Fetchmail says one incoming, 3 secs 
later kmail beeps.  I think its working. :)  The second possible name 
won't be tested unless a niece in NYS sends me an email, but amanda will 
test the third option in the early morning hours tomorrow.

And I learned a bit more, so the day will not be a total loss.
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
You too, Thomas.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, at 12:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> > Why is the "2>&1" part needed?   Wouldn't stderr go to the terminal by
> > default.
> 
> Goal is to redirect both to /dev/null.
> 
> So these would do:
> 
>   bin/mailwatcher 2>/dev/null >/dev/null &
> 
>   bin/mailwatcher >/dev/null 2>&1 &

Yes, I understand that.

 
> But as Michael Milliman pointed out,
> 
>   bin/mailwatcher 2>&1 >/dev/null &
> 
> redirects only stdout to /dev/null and leaves stderr directed to where
> stdout was pointing before.

And I understand that too.  But I was asking from a different
perspective.  What I meant
was, if someone is trying to redirect stdout to /dev/null and leave
stderr directed to the
terminal (which seems to be the default), would anyone ever code:

  bin/mailwatcher 2>&1 >/dev/null

when surely all they need is

  bin/mailwatcher >/dev/null


-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: Silver Light

[Gonzalo Rivero]

El sáb, 16-04-2016 a las 22:54 -0500, Debia Linux escribió:
> Listeros buenas noches:
> 
> Les comento que tengo mas trabajo aun (esto de resolver problemas
> tiene ventajas)... te piden mas trabajes mas...
> 
> Ahora les comento.
> 
> Resulta que me pidieron que necesitan entrar a un portal del
> gobierno,
> pero este portal les pide tener instalado Silver Light (por supuesto
> de Microsoft).
> 
> Existe alguna alternativa libre para suplir este requisito (sin
> recurrir a Wine por supuesto).
> 
> Gracias
> 
> Debianeromx
> 
había un moonlight http://www.mono-project.com/docs/web/moonlight/ pero
parece que el proyecto está muerto.

No sabía que alguien había usado esa cosa de silverlight alguna vez, y
menos en la actualidad que el soporte de plugin por fin parece ir en
retirada

Re: Voir et écouter en streaming la conférence de RMS : fermée !

[andre_debian]

On Sunday 17 April 2016 13:40:14 err404 wrote:
> On 04/17/2016 01:08 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
> > la bonne parole est censurée...

> C'est un stream, un flux, c'est classique que le site web ne délivre
> plus la vidéo après l'évènement et ce n'est pas de la censure,

J'aurais dû écrire "censurée" comme ça :-)

Mais il faut regretter qu'aucune info n'est indiquée sur la récupération 
de l'enregistrement de la conférence par la médiathèque de Choisy le Roi.
C'est important de le faire vite, car après les gens oublient et
la conférence vaut le coup.

André

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

[Ron]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:48:16 +
Mark Fletcher  wrote:

> It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about
> "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing?

You are missing that the change to systemd makes most of the knowledge 
patiently acquired over the years running and caring for a Linux system has 
suddenly become unusable.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
The three worst mistakes you can make
are overpromising and underdelivering.

   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
 

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

[Dan Hitt]

Thanks Andy for your suggestions --- some answers and questions
interspersed below:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Andy Smith  wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:14:29PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote:
>> I would like to drop the '.local' because it's an extra six characters
>> with absolutely no value.
>>
>> In principle, i think it should be possible to by just adding
>>  search local
>> to my /etc/resolv.conf, but this absolutely does not work.  (I imagine that
>> local is a really magic name in some contexts but not very magic in others.)
>
> You may need to use "local." with a dot at the end.
>
> What doesn't work about it?


It has no effect.

So, if i do
ping second_host
i get "unknown host" from ping.

On the other hand, if i add something like
search google.com
then a command like
ping mail
really does work, and really does ping mail.google.com.

So i know that /etc/resolv.conf is being read and acted on, on every
invocation of ping, if i'm searching google.com, but if i'm searching
local, nothing whatsoever happens.

Further, "local." with a dot at the end, is no different (although i see
that it looks like you can add a dot to any host name, although
not two consecutive dots).

>
> ".local" TLD is kind of special so you may find problems anyway -
> it's used for multicast DNS (Avahi). You may be better off picking a
> different domain for your local network.

I didn't pick that name :)

And my router is a black box which i cannot touch.

Given this, is there any way to change the network's name?

>
>> Furthermore, /etc/resolv.conf doesn't want to be written, as it
>> says it is generated automatically, so even if it worked, it wouldn't
>> be such a good solution.
>
> You can override the domain search list that your DHCP server
> provides by editing /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf and putting in either:
>
> supersede domain-name "local."
>
> or:
>
> prepend domain-name "local."
>
> or:
>
> append domain-name "local."
>
> Depending upon whether you want to have *only* your search domains,
> your search domains *first*, or your search domains *last*,
> respectively.
>
> See man dhclient.conf for more info.

This is very useful information.

Is there any way to reload the dhclient.conf file without restarting dhclient?
I don't want to get a new lease, just have an already running dhclient reread
the file.  The man page for dhclient doesn't seem to indicate how you
can get the file reread without restarting dhclient and getting a new lease.
This seems perplexing to me, because i'm not unhappy with any of the
ips i'm getting, i just want to be able to refer to hosts by shorter names.

>
> Cheers,
> Andy

Thanks again for your help!!

dan

>
> --
> http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting
>

teste

[Leandro Nobrega]

teste
*Leandro Nóbrega*
*leanobr...@gmail.com *

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Gene Heskett wrote:
> In normal everyday operation, the variable ${InMail} will not be empty.

Well, normally the 10 uF capacitors suffice for the projected
life time of the dishwasher. :))


The bashism "[[ ${InMail} = 'gene' ]]" hides the pitfall that whitespace
in a variable will normally yield more than word. (That's quite unexpected
from the general view of shell programming, but documented in man bash.)

With conservative shell gestures one should enclose variable evaluation
in " quotation marks in order to get the content as exactly one word:

  $ InMail="a b"
  $ if [[ ${InMail} = 'gene' ]] ; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
  no
  $ if test ${InMail} = 'gene'; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
  bash: test: too many arguments
  no
  $ if test "${InMail}" = 'gene'; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
  no

With empty text and no "-marks you get the contrary complaint about
0 words as evaluation result:

  $ InMail=""
  $ if test ${InMail} = 'gene'; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
  bash: test: =: unary operator expected
  no


Google "portable shell" tells me that the gesture

  test "x$variable" = xconstant

does not really target empty variable content but rather reserved
words as variable content.
The command test(1) (bash builtin or /usr/bin/test) seems to be quite
tolerant with syntax errors caused by reserved words where operants
are expected.
I fail to make it complain about content like
  $ InMail="("
  $ InMail="-f"
if i use proper "-marks.  


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

[Second try to send this mail. Looks like lists.debian.org had a
 few minutes of inconsciousness. No reply on ping or https.]

Gene Heskett wrote:
> In normal everyday operation, the variable ${InMail} will not be empty.

Well, normally the 10 uF capacitors suffice for the projected
life time of the dishwasher. :))


The bashism "[[ ${InMail} = 'gene' ]]" hides the pitfall that whitespace
in a variable will normally yield more than word. (That's quite unexpected
from the general view of shell programming, but documented in man bash.)

With conservative shell gestures one should enclose variable evaluation
in " quotation marks in order to get the content as exactly one word:

  $ InMail="a b"
  $ if [[ ${InMail} = 'gene' ]] ; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
  no
  $ if test ${InMail} = 'gene'; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
  bash: test: too many arguments
  no
  $ if test "${InMail}" = 'gene'; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
  no

With empty text and no "-marks you get the contrary complaint about
0 words as evaluation result:

  $ InMail=""
  $ if test ${InMail} = 'gene'; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi
  bash: test: =: unary operator expected
  no


Google "portable shell" tells me that the gesture

  test "x$variable" = xconstant

does not really target empty variable content but rather reserved
words as variable content.
The command test(1) (bash builtin or /usr/bin/test) seems to be quite
tolerant with syntax errors caused by reserved words where operants
are expected.
I fail to make it complain about content like
  $ InMail="("
  $ InMail="-f"
if i use proper "-marks.  


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!] (caution: thread deviation)

[Eike Lantzsch]

On Sunday 17 April 2016 11:48:16 Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman <
> 
> michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've never really
> > liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just
> > like the simplicity of the init system better.  Admittedly, I may well
> > be undereducated on systemd resulting in my prejudice.
> 
> Speaking of prejudice -- question to the list in general -- why the vitriol
> in the linux community about systemd? I read the "I'm changing distros
> because I don't like systemd" type blog posts, and the "Debian devs are
> evil for forcing systemd on us" and so on -- and then I tried it. I've even
> built a LFS system using it. I really, really can't see what the fuss is
> about. Yes, it's complicated, but then init was quite capable of confusing
> the living daylights out of me as well...
> 
> It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about
> "if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing?
> 
> Mark

All the pros and cons of system.d have been discussed and ranted about here 
and can be easily found in the archives. I personally don't think that it is 
necessary to go through those discussions again.

Easily one can slip some emotional comment [sigh!] (sic) into a posting but it 
is unnecessary to jump on it - no?

All the best to y'all
Eike

Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

[Mark Fletcher]

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:19 PM Michael Milliman <
michael.e.milli...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I've never really
> liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just
> like the simplicity of the init system better.  Admittedly, I may well
> be undereducated on systemd resulting in my prejudice.
>
>
Speaking of prejudice -- question to the list in general -- why the vitriol
in the linux community about systemd? I read the "I'm changing distros
because I don't like systemd" type blog posts, and the "Debian devs are
evil for forcing systemd on us" and so on -- and then I tried it. I've even
built a LFS system using it. I really, really can't see what the fuss is
about. Yes, it's complicated, but then init was quite capable of confusing
the living daylights out of me as well...

It seems the emotions, even now, are running too high to be simply about
"if it ain't broke don't fix it". What am I missing?

Mark

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> Why is the "2>&1" part needed?   Wouldn't stderr go to the terminal by
> default.

Goal is to redirect both to /dev/null.

So these would do:

  bin/mailwatcher 2>/dev/null >/dev/null &

  bin/mailwatcher >/dev/null 2>&1 &


But as Michael Milliman pointed out,

  bin/mailwatcher 2>&1 >/dev/null &

redirects only stdout to /dev/null and leaves stderr directed to where
stdout was pointing before.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 17 April 2016 02:25:01 Michael Milliman wrote:

> On 04/16/2016 12:11 PM, Aero Maxx wrote:
> > On 16/04/2016 17:45, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> On Saturday 16 April 2016 12:01:28 Aero Maxx wrote:
> >>> On 16/04/2016 16:23, Gene Heskett wrote:
>  But when I run it with dash, it doesn't seem to work right, and
>  spams the terminal with its error messages.  One that appears to
>  kill its function is the bashism of using [[ ]] to surround
>  string variables, reported like this:
>  bin/mailwatcher: 64: bin/mailwatcher: [[: not found
>  bin/mailwatcher: 70: bin/mailwatcher: [[: not found
>  bin/mailwatcher: 77: bin/mailwatcher: [[: not found
> >>>
> >>> dash isn't the same as bash, as it has a limited set of
> >>> instructions or commands it can do.
> >>>
> >>> But I too would be interested to know if it is possible to get it
> >>> to work in dash, I don't believe it is, but I am happy to be
> >>> corrected or proved wrong.
> >>>
>  And finally, once its working with either shell, how do I shut it
>  up totally?  Even the above command line launch fails as it
>  outputs to that shell, a newline for every incoming mail which
>  gradually scrolls any output that was on-screen, offscreen
>  without leaving a prompt until I tap the return key to restore
>  it.
> >>>
> >>> Also isn't the command you are running supposed to be as follows ?
> >>>
>  bin/mailwatcher 2>&1 > /dev/null &
> >>
> >> Is the space you inserted into my line between the > and the
> >> /dev/null a game changer? In either bash or dash?  Its been a while
> >> since I last read the bash docs, but I don't recall there was any
> >> emphasis on that.
> >
> > I'm sorry I was a bit too eager to reply and neglected to change
> > what I had pasted in.
> >
> > I meant to say could you try this
> >
> >> bin/mailwatcher > /dev/null 2>&1 &
>
> Yes, this is the correct incantation.  The difference is very subtle.

And not very well noted in the bash .pdf or the man page.

> With ... 2>&1 >/dev/null, the error output is redirected to be the
> same as the standard output, and then the standard output is
> redirected to /dev/null -- leaving the error output still going to the
> original standard output (terminal).  With ... >/dev/null 2>&1 The
> standard output is redirected first, and the the error output is sent
> to the same place as the standard output, resulting in both going to
> /dev/null.  The order of redirection is important to the end results
> in this case.

Good to know, and thank you.

> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Voir et écouter en streaming la conférence de RMS : fermée !

[err404]

On 04/17/2016 01:08 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
>
> http://stream.tmplab.org:8000/stream.html
>
> Effectivement, le site ne fonctionne plus,
> c'est très dommage de la part de la médiathèque de Choisy le Roi,
> la bonne parole est censurée...
>
> Je l'ai écoutée, durée plus de 2 heures, je vais tenter un résumé asap.
>
> André
>
C'est un stream, un flux, c'est classique que le site web ne délivre
plus la vidéo après l'évènement et ce n'est pas de la censure,
Mais il est peut être possible de récupérer l'enregistrement de la
conférence et de placer cet enregistrement à la disposition du public.

Si on pouvais savoir quelle place prend l'enregistrement, on pourrait
contribuer à sa diffusion en le distribuant depuis divers hébergements.

il y a peut être un peu d'optimisation à faire pour compresser la vidéo
et la rendre plus facilement acccessible pour les petits débits.




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Security updates mirror

[Mark Fletcher]

Hello

A while back I remember seeing an announcement about a security.debian.org
mirror in Japan, but I've misplaced the announcement. Doing aptitude update
when you are in Japan and regular old security.debian.org is in your
sources.list is a slow process (works fine, but slow) -- if there is a
Japan mirror and I didn't just dream that, I'd like to use it. I am of
course using a Japan mirror of the regular repository already.

Does anyone know where I can find a list of the security.debian.org mirrors?

Thanks

Mark

Re: Question wget

[mireero]

On 04/16/2016 04:40 PM, mahashakti89 wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 02:27:56PM +0200, Belaïd wrote:

Bonjour,
Je suis sur une version 1.16-1 de wget, et l'option -c fonctionne très
bien.
Quelle est ta version ?


Bonjour,

Je suis en Sid , version 1.17.1-1+b1. Histoire de voir j'ai essayé sur
une Ubuntu - sensiblement la même version de wget - et là ça fonctionne.


Idem sur stable (1.16)




Cordialement




Le 16 avril 2016 à 10:04,  a écrit :

   Bonjour,

   Auparavant on pouvait passer l'option -c à wget pour continuer un
   téléchargement interrompu. Avec la version actuelle cela ne marche
plus on
   obtient la réponse : file not modified on server. Omitting download.
   Est-ce un bogue ou une option à rajouter?
   Cordialement

Re: Can you help me figure out why I can't get Grub to install from a standard CD .iso?

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 14 April 2016 17:57:19 EGO-II.1 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've been trying for about a week now to get Debian with the MATE
> desktop installed on my PC. 

Is this another Skylake problem?  It *is* after all a Skylake!

I had failures at various stages until I got help:
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/201603292305.54115.lisi.re...@gmail.com
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/1459356134.881428.563745378.44f3c...@webmail.messagingengine.com
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/201604090318.18124.lisi.re...@gmail.com

If it _is_ a Skylake problem, then 8.x is not enough information.  You need at 
least 8.3 (I managed on that), but preferably 8.4.  If you can somehow manage 
to get as far as booting (by hook or by crook) then the first thing you need 
to do is install a backported kernel.

http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/

Or you could use Stretch!!  Cutting edge and Linux are sometimes a problematic 
combination.

Lisi

Re: Voir et écouter en streaming la conférence de RMS : fermée !

[andre_debian]

On Sunday 17 April 2016 02:20:36 merkeda...@vmail.me wrote:
> si quelqu'un peut mettre à disposition un compe-rendu ou un mkv (traduit 
> en off) cela serait sympa (le stream n'est pas ouvert à tout le monde , 
> en outre , ceci apparaît sur le lien :
> warning , this site may contain malware , do not use it whithout 
> proxy!).
> je regrette que rs propose un kernell 2.6 alors que vanilla est à 4. ; 
> qu'il n'y ait pas d'écho grc ou autre à ce sujet et le retour de 
> mozilla.
> je me demande si une liste de questions a été prévue ou si certains(es) 
> pourront en live poser les leurs ( résultat d'aprill & d'afull : pgp & 
> cryptage interdit en france, fai compromises, tarifs & 
> représailles/rétorsions en hausse etc. par contre le hard est en 
> baisse).
> angers est son prochain rendez-vous.

http://stream.tmplab.org:8000/stream.html

Effectivement, le site ne fonctionne plus,
c'est très dommage de la part de la médiathèque de Choisy le Roi,
la bonne parole est censurée...

Je l'ai écoutée, durée plus de 2 heures, je vais tenter un résumé asap.

André

option --alang de mplayer

[Pierre Frenkiel]

bonjour,
J'essaie de ripper un dvd avec la piste son en français.
Avec HandBrakeCLI, ça marche bien, mais c'est assez long (plus
de 30' pour 1h30 de vidéo)
Avec mplayer, c'est beaucoup plus rapide (quelques minutes),
mais les options --alang, --aid ne marchent pas du tout, la
piste son obtenue est en anglais.
Quelqu'un a-t-il essayé?
J'attends les réponses éventuelles avant de faire un bug report.

Cordialement,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: searching for hosts in domain local

[Andy Smith]

Hi Dan,

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 11:56:11PM -0700, Dan Hitt wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Andy Smith  wrote:
> > What doesn't work about it?
> 
> It has no effect.
> 
> So, if i do
> ping second_host
> i get "unknown host" from ping.

OK. So all the hosts on your local network are getting .local as a
domain name by suggestion of the DHCP server, but do you have a DNS
server anywhere that is serving those names, or are you putting
everything in /etc/hosts?

I have done some tests on my own machines and I find that if I add
"local." to my search line in /etc/resolv.conf it does seem to
generate a DNS query for whatever.local. I do not have a DNS server
that is serving the .local zone though, so it gives me NXDOMAIN. Of
course if I would add google.com to my search list then a query for
say, "mail" would turn into "mail.google.com" and I'd get an answer.

So I wonder how your DNS is set up.

If you are relying on the ISP-supplied router to serve DNS for names
it is giving out by DHCP, well, some would and some wouldn't. You
could check by running DNS diagnostic tools such as "dig" against
the IP address of your router, e.g.:

dig -t a second-host.local @192.168.0.1

where "second-host.local" is what you want to look up, "192.168.0.1"
is the IP address of your router and the "-t a" is asking for
answers of type A: IPv4 address. If that gave an NXDOMAIN answer
then there isn't any configuration mistake on your side, it's just
that your router is not acting as a DNS server for that zone.

(By the way, underscores are not permitted in Internet host names,
so your "first_host" and "second_host" examples are not good, but I
am guessing they were merely examples.)

> Given this, is there any way to change the network's name?

Although .local is reserved for mDNS, I think that unless you
actually use mDNS you should be okay. As I say, I put ".local" in my
search list and then saw DNS queries going out for those names so it
probably doesn't interfere with (normal, unicast) DNS.

> Is there any way to reload the dhclient.conf file without restarting dhclient?

These settings only take effect when you get a new lease or renew an
existing one. So I think the answer is no. Is getting a new lease
problematic? Normally on a DHCP network you don't tend to care if
your IP address changes… (if you do care, you can get the DHCP
server to give you the same one each time, but in your case that'd
be a setting in the router which you don't manage).

> This seems perplexing to me, because i'm not unhappy with any of the
> ips i'm getting, i just want to be able to refer to hosts by shorter names.

The issue is that these are different concepts and different
services here, although they seem related and in your case are being
provided by the same black box. The black box tells you your IP
address and your host name and your domain name, so it seems logical
that it should be able to also serve DNS for that zone, but it is
not always the case.

Cheers,
Andy

-- 
http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: Pressing ` on Macbook in Debian produces §

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sat, 2016-04-16 at 18:25 -0400, Eric Andrew Lewis wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I notice that when I press the backtick key, the section symbol (§)
> is
> produced instead.
> 
> This bug has been reported on Ubuntu (#1245081
> ).
> 
> I've found a workaround by placing this in ~/.Xmodmap
> 
> keycode  94 = grave asciitilde grave asciitilde grave asciitilde
> grave
> asciitilde
> 
> But I wonder, what package is this bug in? Can I help fix it?

This is a problem not just on Macbooks, but for anyone who uses an
Apple keyboard.

This isn't really a bug. It was a decision made by the kernel
developers, and is a really old problem.

A better solution is to add a file in 
/etc/modprobe.d/
with this: 

options hid_apple iso_layout=0

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
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Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Jeremy Nicoll]

On Sun, 17 Apr 2016, at 07:25, Michael Milliman wrote:

> Yes, this is the correct incantation.  The difference is very subtle.  
> With ... 2>&1 >/dev/null, the error output is redirected to be the same 
> as the standard output, and then the standard output is redirected to 
> /dev/null -- leaving the error output still going to the original 
> standard output (terminal). 

Why is the "2>&1" part needed?   Wouldn't stderr go to the terminal by 
default?

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: My script almost works but spams the terminal its launched from if useing dash.

[Michael Milliman]

On 04/16/2016 12:11 PM, Aero Maxx wrote:

On 16/04/2016 17:45, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Saturday 16 April 2016 12:01:28 Aero Maxx wrote:


On 16/04/2016 16:23, Gene Heskett wrote:

But when I run it with dash, it doesn't seem to work right, and
spams the terminal with its error messages.  One that appears to
kill its function is the bashism of using [[ ]] to surround string
variables, reported like this:
bin/mailwatcher: 64: bin/mailwatcher: [[: not found
bin/mailwatcher: 70: bin/mailwatcher: [[: not found
bin/mailwatcher: 77: bin/mailwatcher: [[: not found

dash isn't the same as bash, as it has a limited set of instructions
or commands it can do.

But I too would be interested to know if it is possible to get it to
work in dash, I don't believe it is, but I am happy to be corrected
or proved wrong.


And finally, once its working with either shell, how do I shut it up
totally?  Even the above command line launch fails as it outputs to
that shell, a newline for every incoming mail which gradually
scrolls any output that was on-screen, offscreen without leaving a
prompt until I tap the return key to restore it.

Also isn't the command you are running supposed to be as follows ?


bin/mailwatcher 2>&1 > /dev/null &


Is the space you inserted into my line between the > and the /dev/null a
game changer? In either bash or dash?  Its been a while since I last
read the bash docs, but I don't recall there was any emphasis on that.

I'm sorry I was a bit too eager to reply and neglected to change what 
I had pasted in.


I meant to say could you try this


bin/mailwatcher > /dev/null 2>&1 &


Yes, this is the correct incantation.  The difference is very subtle.  
With ... 2>&1 >/dev/null, the error output is redirected to be the same 
as the standard output, and then the standard output is redirected to 
/dev/null -- leaving the error output still going to the original 
standard output (terminal).  With ... >/dev/null 2>&1 The standard 
output is redirected first, and the the error output is sent to the same 
place as the standard output, resulting in both going to /dev/null.  The 
order of redirection is important to the end results in this case.

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Re: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]

[Michael Milliman]

On 04/16/2016 07:52 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

> >choice of inits as a standard option during installs on future
> >releases, but I very much doubt it.
> >
> >B
> >

>
I use Linux Mint on one of my machines.  It is init based, not systemd, 
and has Debian and Ubuntu as it's underpinnings.  All of the familiar 
things work great (apt, and all other packages I have used under 
straight Debian).  I think you might like that distribution as well.  
You can check out their home page at https://www.linuxmint.com.  I still 
have Debian running on my server system (Jessie with systemd), but I 
really like the Linux Mint system with init as well.  I've never really 
liked systemd, though I must admit it does work and do the job -- I just 
like the simplicity of the init system better.  Admittedly, I may well 
be undereducated on systemd resulting in my prejudice.


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Mike