Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 18:00:30 David Wright wrote:

> On Sat 23 Jul 2016 at 16:20:12 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 23 July 2016 14:15:09 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Sat 23 Jul 2016 at 13:13:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 23 July 2016 08:01:37 deloptes wrote:
> > > > > About your query. I prefer using Xfig in cases (probably) like
> > > > > yours. As you mentioned, you want something to point (arrow)
> > > > > to something. And knowing from previous posts, you are not a
> > > > > Rembrand type, I can suggest using Xfig. I am not a Rembrand
> > > > > type as well and I prefer importing images in Xfig, making
> > > > > arrows, objects with text etc, drawing different types of
> > > > > charts. It takes some time to learn (same for gimp or double
> > > > > for both), but I can say that I enjoy it.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, I just installed it, looks capable, but cannot
> > > > open a .jpg?  Showstopper right there, since the output would go
> > > > on a web page to be viewed by all lookers.
> > >
> > > Open a jpeg file? How would a vector drawing program do that?
> > > Or do you mean import it?
> >
> > Its vector based? 100% perfect explanation then. My apologies for
> > bad-mouthing it then.
> >
> > > > Not too unsurprising given the copyright dates it displays on
> > > > startup.  A strange video format, unsupported by common viewing
> > > > utilities, is a showstopper no matter how good it might look on
> > > > my screen. It seems to me that by now a good utility from 1985,
> > > > should have grown import/export from/to jpeg by 2016 even if the
> > > > internal format is different. They have had less than the
> > > > elapsed 31 years to work on it of course since the jpg std was
> > > > only finalized in 2000, but thats still 16 years.
> > > >
> > > > I am glad it works well for you, but I can't use it.
> > >
> > > As usual, no indication of where it failed so it's difficult to
> > > help you.
> >
> > The only file types it could open were its native format, which I
> > had no idea was vector based until you mentioned it.  The failure?
> > an empty display window when I had navigated to the directory full
> > of .JPG's right out of my camera. But as you say its vector based,
> > and trying to feed it a jpg would certainly give it an upset GI
> > tract.
>
> If your quotation is accurate, the answer may be right there. The Open
> dialog has a filename mask which, being short, is obvious.
> So does the Import Picture dialog, but it's much longer, scrolls, and
> may not be immediately apparent. If you scroll it, you'll see the
> extensions are all lower case, so no JPG's. Just change it to *,
> but remember to click on Rescan; all will then appear.
>
> Cheers,
> David.

Chuckle with a wry grin.  It just so happens  my camera outputs all 
uppercase names, including the ".JPG".  So it should work.  Except that 
while I have the camera icon along the left edge of its window, nothing 
over a screen refresh occurs when I click on it. There also is not an 
import function in the "file" menu. Am I missing a non-dependency? Or in 
this case, its multistep and I had to read starting at page 10 of the 
howto file. But I accidentally loaded the wrong pix, and once loaded, no 
close other than exiting the program seemed possible, so I did, and 
denied the save as it quit. But if my wet ram doesn't fade, I'll know  
how to do it next time.  Thank you David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: weired - no sound after upgrade

[deloptes]

Hans wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> is something known about a sound problem in debian/testing?
> 

you don't provide too much information - what is your chipset etc.

> After an upgrade and a reboot I got no sound at all. Checked the
> following:
> 
> 
> 
> 1.
> alsamixer - all settings are set to 80 percent, including pcm, master and
> line in
> 
> -
> 
> 2.
> cat /proc/asound/cards
> 
> Looks ok for me.
> 

This is only a small bit of the sound system/architecture - not sufficient.

> 
> 
> 3.
> play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
> 
> I see the file is beeing played, but there is no sound to hear.
> 
> 
> 
> Other things I did without success:
> 
> - reinstalled kernel
> - unloaded and loaded sound-modules
> - reinstalled sound related applications and libs to a prior version.
> 
> 
> If needed, I can send a logfile of aptitude, where you can see, what
> happened the last 3 days.
> 
> At the moment I have no more clues. Any ideas are welcome.
> 

If you have HDMI - disable in bios and try again.

Helpful would be the chipset and output of amixer -c0

another idea alsactl

Re: w, who, finger, last, and netstat and ipv6

[Andy Smith]

Hi Michael,

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 12:08:34AM +0100, Michael Grant wrote:
> > > % who
> > > mgrant   pts/12016-07-18 06:15 (2a00:S.1)
> >
> > I type "who" on Debian jessie and I do get the full IPv6 address:
> >
> > $ who
> > andy pts/62016-07-23 01:42 (2001:ba8:1f1:f019::2)

[…]

> How odd that you are getting completely different results from me.

I've just noticed the :S.1 at the end of your output. That means
you're running from within GNU Screen. I get the same sort of
truncation when doing "who" from within GNU Screen so that probably
answers that.

Cheers,
Andy

-- 
http://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: w, who, finger, last, and netstat and ipv6

[Michael Grant]

I just figured out what is going on.  The problem is gnu screen.

It's screen that's truncating the address.  When login and don't reattach
to my screen, I get the full address and "PROCPS_FROMLEN=40 w" prints the
expected full address.

Re: w, who, finger, last, and netstat and ipv6

[Michael Grant]

>
>
>
> > % who
> > mgrant   pts/12016-07-18 06:15 (2a00:S.1)
>
> I type "who" on Debian jessie and I do get the full IPv6 address:
>
> $ who
> andy pts/62016-07-23 01:42 (2001:ba8:1f1:f019::2)
> $ who --version
> who (GNU coreutils) 8.23
> Copyright (C) 2014 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <
> http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>.
> This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
> There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
>
> Written by Joseph Arceneaux, David MacKenzie, and Michael Stone.
>

I'm running Debian Testing

% who --version
who (GNU coreutils) 8.25
Copyright (C) 2016 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later .
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.

Written by Joseph Arceneaux, David MacKenzie, and Michael Stone.

How odd that you are getting completely different results from me.  I tried
setting PROCPS_FROMLEN and it indeed makes the field wider but it's all
blank padded out, this does not make the address any longer.

I feel maybe I have some conflicting lib installed somehow that's messing
up the representation of these addresses.  I did not back out this version
and install 8.23.


>
> Using the "-a" option to put the hostname/IP at the end does allow
> it to be of arbitrary length:
>
> $ last -a
> andy pts/6Sat Jul 23 01:42   still logged in
> 2001:ba8:1f1:f019::2


last -a and netstat --wide do help, thanks for that!

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[David Wright]

On Sat 23 Jul 2016 at 16:20:12 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 23 July 2016 14:15:09 David Wright wrote:
> > On Sat 23 Jul 2016 at 13:13:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Saturday 23 July 2016 08:01:37 deloptes wrote:
> > > > About your query. I prefer using Xfig in cases (probably) like
> > > > yours. As you mentioned, you want something to point (arrow) to
> > > > something. And knowing from previous posts, you are not a Rembrand
> > > > type, I can suggest using Xfig. I am not a Rembrand type as well
> > > > and I prefer importing images in Xfig, making arrows, objects with
> > > > text etc, drawing different types of charts. It takes some time to
> > > > learn (same for gimp or double for both), but I can say that I
> > > > enjoy it.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, I just installed it, looks capable, but cannot open
> > > a .jpg?  Showstopper right there, since the output would go on a web
> > > page to be viewed by all lookers.
> >
> > Open a jpeg file? How would a vector drawing program do that?
> > Or do you mean import it?
> >
> Its vector based? 100% perfect explanation then. My apologies for 
> bad-mouthing it then.
> 
> > > Not too unsurprising given the copyright dates it displays on
> > > startup.  A strange video format, unsupported by common viewing
> > > utilities, is a showstopper no matter how good it might look on my
> > > screen. It seems to me that by now a good utility from 1985, should
> > > have grown import/export from/to jpeg by 2016 even if the internal
> > > format is different. They have had less than the elapsed 31 years to
> > > work on it of course since the jpg std was only finalized in 2000,
> > > but thats still 16 years.
> > >
> > > I am glad it works well for you, but I can't use it.
> >
> > As usual, no indication of where it failed so it's difficult to help
> > you.
> >
> The only file types it could open were its native format, which I had no 
> idea was vector based until you mentioned it.  The failure? an empty 
> display window when I had navigated to the directory full of .JPG's 
> right out of my camera. But as you say its vector based, and trying to 
> feed it a jpg would certainly give it an upset GI tract.

If your quotation is accurate, the answer may be right there. The Open
dialog has a filename mask which, being short, is obvious.
So does the Import Picture dialog, but it's much longer, scrolls, and
may not be immediately apparent. If you scroll it, you'll see the
extensions are all lower case, so no JPG's. Just change it to *,
but remember to click on Rescan; all will then appear.

Cheers,
David.

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 14:15:09 David Wright wrote:

> On Sat 23 Jul 2016 at 13:13:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 23 July 2016 08:01:37 deloptes wrote:
> > > Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > I did, after 20 minutes of screwing around, finally get it to
> > > > use a selected foreground color for the text.
> > > >
> > > > But when I hit the help menu, up pops the help for 2.6!  So I
> > > > fire up synaptic and check to see if I am out of date, because
> > > > the "context help" doesn't work at all.  Yup, I'm up to date
> > > > allright, got gimp-2.8.2 but the doc files are for 2.6.x. 
> > > > Debian wheezy at your service, NOT.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, the next problem is that I can't find a tool that will
> > > > let me draw freehand lines so I can make a few arrows that point
> > > > from a line of text to a feature in the image.  Or maybe even
> > > > draw a balloon around the text pointing at the feature.
> > > >
> > > > Did this train lose its conductor a few stops back?  Or how can
> > > > I back it up to when it Just Worked(TM) quite a bit of the time?
> > >
> > > I'm not member of the gimp list and don't want to be, so I just
> > > removed them.
> > >
> > > About your query. I prefer using Xfig in cases (probably) like
> > > yours. As you mentioned, you want something to point (arrow) to
> > > something. And knowing from previous posts, you are not a Rembrand
> > > type, I can suggest using Xfig. I am not a Rembrand type as well
> > > and I prefer importing images in Xfig, making arrows, objects with
> > > text etc, drawing different types of charts. It takes some time to
> > > learn (same for gimp or double for both), but I can say that I
> > > enjoy it.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I just installed it, looks capable, but cannot open
> > a .jpg?  Showstopper right there, since the output would go on a web
> > page to be viewed by all lookers.
>
> Open a jpeg file? How would a vector drawing program do that?
> Or do you mean import it?
>
Its vector based? 100% perfect explanation then. My apologies for 
bad-mouthing it then.

> > Not too unsurprising given the copyright dates it displays on
> > startup.  A strange video format, unsupported by common viewing
> > utilities, is a showstopper no matter how good it might look on my
> > screen. It seems to me that by now a good utility from 1985, should
> > have grown import/export from/to jpeg by 2016 even if the internal
> > format is different. They have had less than the elapsed 31 years to
> > work on it of course since the jpg std was only finalized in 2000,
> > but thats still 16 years.
> >
> > I am glad it works well for you, but I can't use it.
>
> As usual, no indication of where it failed so it's difficult to help
> you.
>
The only file types it could open were its native format, which I had no 
idea was vector based until you mentioned it.  The failure? an empty 
display window when I had navigated to the directory full of .JPG's 
right out of my camera. But as you say its vector based, and trying to 
feed it a jpg would certainly give it an upset GI tract.

> All I can do therefore is tell you how I just imported a jpeg picture
> of my house in xfig.
>
> 1) Click on the camera icon with "picture" written at the bottom.
> 2) Click on the screen where you want the top-left corner.
> 3) Click where you want the bottom-right corner. An Edit Panel
>will appear.
> 4) Click on Browse.
> 5) Select the directory/file that you want to open.
> 6) Click on Apply.
> 7) Click on Close.
> 8) Click on Done.
>
> If you could let us know where your system failed, we might be
> able to tell if a library is missong from your system, or whether
> it was just finger-trouble.

At this point I did get gimp to do what I wanted, so the web images are 
finished & "on the air" at the Sheldon_* link on my web page, but this 
msg will be marked so I can find it again when I've an hour or so to 
play.

Thanks for your patience David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> To aid me, someone sent me a link to an arrow generator that worked right
> well, So the photo series is now captioned and visible on my web page.

The easiest might be openoffice. You can draw easily arrows there, import
jpeg files etc. I prefer Xfig though because OpenOffice is more like MS
Office and has some similar issues. But if you want to do something fast
this is preferable. You can export to HTML and publish it online.

If you want to produce more professional and complex drawings/diagrams its
worth learning Xfig.

Xfig is not meant to open and edit jpeg or alike files. You import them. I
also said that it needs some learning. Same as Gimp.
You seem to work with machines, so you know you need to learn the process
(how to operate a machine). Have the same approach with drawing software
and you'll be delighted. I know it's not that easy with 80+, but still if
you want to achieve something yourself ...

Xfig and it's copy rights just underline how long this program is being
used. It's from the unix days - you can read the story. "Xfig was written
by Supoj Sutanthavibul in 1985. Ken Yap ported xfig to X11. In 1989, Brian
V. Smith added many features." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfig)

It is also useful in making diagrams as it has/supports a library.

regards

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 09:47:38 David Wright wrote:

> On Sat 23 Jul 2016 at 06:45:35 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 23 July 2016 05:01:37 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Saturday 23 July 2016 02:36:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Very frustrating that
> > > > apparently no one on this list is enough smarter about this that
> > > > they can assist me.
> > >
> > > Is there  a GIMP list, and have you tried it??
> >
> > You are responding to a cross-post that I made to the debian list in
> > the odd chance that in my flailing about, my cane may come in
> > contact with a skull that can do something about gimp because the
> > gimp docs distributed for wheezy are so old and out of date they
> > won't run in the context mode. My way of perhaps getting a packagers
> > attention to just how worthless it is to distribute a gimp that has
> > had hundreds of bug fixes since 2.8.2, its now up to 2.8.19, and
> > shipping 2.8.2 along with the docs for 2.6.1!
>
> The "totally broken tool" is part of the previous stable Debian
> distribution called wheezy. It caused many to throw themselves under
> the train (the one without a conductor) when they saw how much
> worthless software was being distributed. In fact it makes you
> wonder how anybody got any work done with computers at all, with
> systems so outdated and containing so many bugs.
>
> And when they got stuck, they even had to open a book to get help,
> or use this new-fangled tool called AltaVista on the interweb to
> find odd scraps of information like HOWTOs and READMEs. Why didn't
> they come to corporate seminars like everyone else. There were always
> plenty of COBOL programmers to take questions, and mail you an answer
> within a week or two. Oh, dress code, you say. Well, you could write
> to the Computer Weekly letters column. Oh, non-disclosure, you say...
>
> C'mon Gene, you should know the score by now.
> Unstable, or testing → frozen → stable → oldstable. Pick your poison.
>
> Cheers,
> David.

My point David, is that wheezy, aka old stable, everything should Just 
Work(TM) even if it is not the bleeding edge, it should work as 
advertised, and this is a very poor example of that. Now to unpack the 
2.8.2 docs I just downloaded and put them in place. That might help a 
whole bunch.  We'll see shortly.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

LXDE Start Menu Submenus Blink

[John Hasler]

If I open the Start menu in LXDE and hover the pointer over an entry the
submenu opens but then blinks off and back on about every 2 seconds.  To
select an entry in a submenu I must wait until just after the submenu
blinks back on and move quickly or the submeu blinks off and stays off.

Debian/Sid on an old Gateway laptop with a trackpad.
lxde version 7
lxsession version 0.5.1-2
lxpanel version 0.8.2-1

-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Next gotcha

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 08:34:28 Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:

> On 7/22/16, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Greetings all
> >
> > I did, after 20 minutes of screwing around, finally get it to use a
> > selected foreground color for the text.
> >
> > But when I hit the help menu, up pops the help for 2.6!  So I fire
> > up synaptic and check to see if I am out of date, because the
> > "context help" doesn't work at all.  Yup, I'm up to date allright,
> > got gimp-2.8.2 but the doc files are for 2.6.x.  Debian wheezy at
> > your service, NOT.
> >
> > Anyway, the next problem is that I can't find a tool that will let
> > me draw freehand lines so I can make a few arrows that point from a
> > line of text to a feature in the image.  Or maybe even draw a
> > balloon around the text pointing at the feature.
>
> Hi.. CC'ing GIMP User, but I don't know if it will go through. So if
> this does go through.. Hey All, HUGE FAN for *MANY* years, #ThankYou!
> That said, I JUST yesterday stumbled on something that mostly
> accomplished this although it wasn't quite what I was looking for
> myself.
>
> In the one toolbar that pops up with "CTRL-B (I think that's it, not
> near that laptop to verify), I double click on the pen icon which
> brings up selections of various pen types, shapes. For me in whatever
> version is in Sid Unstable, there's a horizontal line choice near the
> top of the pen shapes.
>
> Once clicked, I was offered the option to change its horizontal
> thickness (not its length that I noticed, anyway). For what I was
> doing, I liked its effect because its final thickness varied with how
> you dragged it across screen. If that doesn't fit your need, maybe one
> of the other shapes while get you what you need.

I tried that exact sequence, several times, but when I tried to click on 
the path points, I never did get the bar drawn because I could not find 
a way out out the click points mode, getting all sorts of zig-zag-zig 
lines that were never drawn, but could be undone.

I suspect there is a way, but with the docs so damned ancient, was it 
worth trying to read that lengthy tome from the top to find it. At my 
age, 81, I am conscious of makeing something of my remaining time, 
whether its another 25 years or another 5 minutes.

However, the arrow script someone sent me a link to (thank you someone!)  
had an option to delete the path when it was drawn, so with it checked, 
I could click the ending and starting points of the arrow, call the 
script and click OK, and it was done, so I could move to the next place 
I wanted an arrow, set the two points using the path tool, wash, rinse 
and repeat,  Nice.  I was able to finish the last of about 17 pix in 
half an hour this morning.

gimp should work that way "out of the box".

And I just found the 2.8.2 docs online, with the gimp browser. But it 
won't let me download them so I can update mine.  That, seriously needs 
fixed.  OTOH, firefox was also able to locate a tar.bz2 of 152 megs so 
its pouring in now.  Done in fact.  Now to see if it has an install 
script. This may take a few, so I'll snip and send

> That last little popup after double clicking the pen was a
> hit-and-miss find in last couple years. Kind of a hail Mary deal where
> that little window no longer was present where I remembered it used to
> just be there by magic ages ago. May be a preference setting I'm just
> missing. The hail Mary was I double clicked that icon as a desperate
> last play, and that window popped up = WOOHOO! :D
>
> Good luck!
>
> Cindy (Sue)

It might be getting better Cindy, take care now.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[David Wright]

On Sat 23 Jul 2016 at 13:13:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 23 July 2016 08:01:37 deloptes wrote:
> > Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I did, after 20 minutes of screwing around, finally get it to use a
> > > selected foreground color for the text.
> > >
> > > But when I hit the help menu, up pops the help for 2.6!  So I fire
> > > up synaptic and check to see if I am out of date, because the
> > > "context help" doesn't work at all.  Yup, I'm up to date allright,
> > > got gimp-2.8.2 but the doc files are for 2.6.x.  Debian wheezy at
> > > your service, NOT.
> > >
> > > Anyway, the next problem is that I can't find a tool that will let
> > > me draw freehand lines so I can make a few arrows that point from a
> > > line of text to a feature in the image.  Or maybe even draw a
> > > balloon around the text pointing at the feature.
> > >
> > > Did this train lose its conductor a few stops back?  Or how can I
> > > back it up to when it Just Worked(TM) quite a bit of the time?
> >
> > I'm not member of the gimp list and don't want to be, so I just
> > removed them.
> >
> > About your query. I prefer using Xfig in cases (probably) like yours.
> > As you mentioned, you want something to point (arrow) to something.
> > And knowing from previous posts, you are not a Rembrand type, I can
> > suggest using Xfig. I am not a Rembrand type as well and I prefer
> > importing images in Xfig, making arrows, objects with text etc,
> > drawing different types of charts. It takes some time to learn (same
> > for gimp or double for both), but I can say that I enjoy it.
> 
> Unfortunately, I just installed it, looks capable, but cannot open 
> a .jpg?  Showstopper right there, since the output would go on a web 
> page to be viewed by all lookers.

Open a jpeg file? How would a vector drawing program do that?
Or do you mean import it?

> Not too unsurprising given the copyright dates it displays on startup.  A 
> strange video format, unsupported by common viewing utilities, is a 
> showstopper no matter how good it might look on my screen. It seems to 
> me that by now a good utility from 1985, should have grown import/export 
> from/to jpeg by 2016 even if the internal format is different. They have 
> had less than the elapsed 31 years to work on it of course since the jpg 
> std was only finalized in 2000, but thats still 16 years.
> 
> I am glad it works well for you, but I can't use it.

As usual, no indication of where it failed so it's difficult to help you.

All I can do therefore is tell you how I just imported a jpeg picture
of my house in xfig.

1) Click on the camera icon with "picture" written at the bottom.
2) Click on the screen where you want the top-left corner.
3) Click where you want the bottom-right corner. An Edit Panel
   will appear.
4) Click on Browse.
5) Select the directory/file that you want to open.
6) Click on Apply.
7) Click on Close.
8) Click on Done.

If you could let us know where your system failed, we might be
able to tell if a library is missong from your system, or whether
it was just finger-trouble.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Blocked en tainted, het tainted deel.

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 22-07-16 om 21:05 schreef Geert Stappers:
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 08:24:40PM +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>> Hallo allen,
>>
>> Af en toe doet mijn laptop vreemd, hij blokkeert dan. In de syslog zie
>> ik soms dit:
>>
>> ---
>> Jul 20 11:04:12 laptopp kernel: [1871785.825808] INFO: task
>> jbd2/dm-1-8:212 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
>> Jul 20 11:04:12 laptopp kernel: [1871785.825815]   Tainted: G
>> W 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1
>> ---
>>
>> Het lijkt er dus op dat er iets aan de SSD niet goed is. jbd2 is immers
>> het journaal van ext4, en dm-1 is mijn root partitie (het is een systeem
>> waarbij de LVM partitie encrypted is).
>>
>> Maar wat me ook opvalt is dat "tainted", want volgens mij is mijn kernel
>> helemaal niet tainted, tenminste nu niet:
>> ---
>> root@laptopp:/dev# cat /proc/sys/kernel/tainted
>> 0
>> root@laptopp:/dev# dmesg | grep -i taint
>> root@laptopp:/dev#
>> ---
>>
>> Heeft iemand een verklaring?
>>
> 
> Van https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/oops-tracing.txt
> onder de kop Tainted kernels:
> 
>   1: 'G' if all modules loaded have a GPL or compatible license, 'P' if
>  any proprietary module has been loaded.
> 
>  10: 'W' if a warning has previously been issued by the kernel.
>  (Though some warnings may set more specific taint flags.)
> 
> 
> Mijn inschatting is dat het in "previously" van de uptime van laptopp
> gezocht moet worden.

Ik gebruik welliswaar closed source firmware, maar nooit closed source
drivers. En mijn hardware heeft ook geen onderdelen die dat nodig
hebben. Ik begrijp het dus nog niet.

Groet,
Paul.


-- 
Paul van der Vlis Linux systeembeheer Groningen
https://www.vandervlis.nl/



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Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 08:01:37 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all
> >
> > I did, after 20 minutes of screwing around, finally get it to use a
> > selected foreground color for the text.
> >
> > But when I hit the help menu, up pops the help for 2.6!  So I fire
> > up synaptic and check to see if I am out of date, because the
> > "context help" doesn't work at all.  Yup, I'm up to date allright,
> > got gimp-2.8.2 but the doc files are for 2.6.x.  Debian wheezy at
> > your service, NOT.
> >
> > Anyway, the next problem is that I can't find a tool that will let
> > me draw freehand lines so I can make a few arrows that point from a
> > line of text to a feature in the image.  Or maybe even draw a
> > balloon around the text pointing at the feature.
> >
> > Did this train lose its conductor a few stops back?  Or how can I
> > back it up to when it Just Worked(TM) quite a bit of the time?
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Hi,
> I'm not member of the gimp list and don't want to be, so I just
> removed them.
>
> About your query. I prefer using Xfig in cases (probably) like yours.
> As you mentioned, you want something to point (arrow) to something.
> And knowing from previous posts, you are not a Rembrand type, I can
> suggest using Xfig. I am not a Rembrand type as well and I prefer
> importing images in Xfig, making arrows, objects with text etc,
> drawing different types of charts. It takes some time to learn (same
> for gimp or double for both), but I can say that I enjoy it.
>
> regards

Unfortunately, I just installed it, looks capable, but cannot open 
a .jpg?  Showstopper right there, since the output would go on a web 
page to be viewed by all lookers.

Not too unsurprising given the copyright dates it displays on startup.  A 
strange video format, unsupported by common viewing utilities, is a 
showstopper no matter how good it might look on my screen. It seems to 
me that by now a good utility from 1985, should have grown import/export 
from/to jpeg by 2016 even if the internal format is different. They have 
had less than the elapsed 31 years to work on it of course since the jpg 
std was only finalized in 2000, but thats still 16 years.

I am glad it works well for you, but I can't use it.

To aid me, someone sent me a link to an arrow generator that worked right 
well, So the photo series is now captioned and visible on my web page.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Portatil se apaga solo

[Camaleón]

El Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:47:24 +0200, laura escribió:

> Hola,
> He estado haciendo algunas pruebas, por ejemplo arrancar con el kernel
> anterior, y sigue dando el mismo fallo, es decir estés haciendo algo o
> no en el pc, se cierra a los dos minutos de haber iniciado el sistema.

Me pregunto por qué a los dos minutos, o por qué en tan corto espacio de 
tiempo. ¿Notas que los ventiladores estén en funcionamiento? Cuando pones 
la mano sobre el equipo ¿vibra la carcasa?

> Ahora he arrancado en modo de pruebas con el kernel actual, y llevo ya
> unos diez minutos sin incidencias. Salvo que ha tardado algo más  de la
> cuenta en hacerme caso para apagar el pc.

Curioso...
 
> On Saturday, 23 July 2016, Camaleón 
>>
>>
>> Que se reinicie sólo y te lo diga desde luego no es convencional, es
>> decir, no parece un problema de hardware
> 
> Debo decir que he probado a iniciar windows y allí no da ese problema .

Apunta a un problema de software pero tampoco descartes un error de 
hardware porque Windows y Linux gestionan los componentes del equipo de 
manera distinta.

>> Mira a ver que no se haya activado alguna rutina de cierre
>> (¿hibernación?
>> ) o algún script que reinicie el sistema en un momento determinado.
> 
> 
> Pues eso no lo sé, a penas da 2minutos para poder ver algo en el sistema
> gráfico , ¿cómo hago para evitar que arranquen las x?

Cuando inicias en modo seguro y pones la contraseña de root te deja en 
una consola sin entorno gráfico cargado, creo... de todas formas, nada 
más iniciar sesión puedes detener las X cambiando el nivel de servicio 
con el comando "systemctl isolate multi-user.target" o "systemctl isolate 
rescue.target" y te dejará en una consola. Para volver al entorno gráfico 
y cargar el servidor X puedes ejecutar "systemctl isolate 
graphical.target".

>> El hecho diferencial es que tras una actualización tiene este
>> comportamiento por lo que quizá alguna actualización del paquete que
>> gestiona la energía (acpi) o un nuevo kernel ha generado ésto pero no
>> es lo habitual en oldstable ni en estable, sólo podría suceder en
>> testing o sid.
> 
> 
>  Pues el patrón parece ser usar el kernel normal, cuando inicio en modo
>  de
> pruebas funciona bien. ¿qué diferencia hay entre un modo y otro?

Carga un entorno mínimo sin servicios de red, ni entorno gráfico que te 
permite acceder al sistema y ejecutar algunos comandos de recuperación.

> Lo del acpi lo leí en ordenadores con ubuntu de hace unos años, pero
> probé a poner el acpi en force en el inicio de grub y no mejoró, por eso
> descarté la opción del acpi como problema . No sé, en el modo de pruebas
> me daba la opción de actualizar el sistema... a lo mejor la solución es
> esa. Qué opináis?

Siempre conviene que tener el sistema actualizado, pero ¿qué versión de 
Debian tienes, la estable (Jessie)?

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: Aptitude Error

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 14:02:55 Hans wrote:
> Am Samstag, 23. Juli 2016, 08:38:02 schrieb S. P. Molnar:
> > I am running v-8.4 and get the following error:
> >
> > E: The package virtualbox-5.1 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find
> > an archive for it.
> >
> > This resulted from my bumbling effort to remove virtualbox.
> >
> > What is the solution to this problem?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
>
> Try:
>
> aptitude update
>
> then
>
> aptitude reinstall virtualbox
>
> If aptitude update fails, you can move /var/lib/apt/lists/* away and try
> again.
>
> You can also use aptitude's nice ncurses gui, and search for virtualbox.
> Also synaptics is fine packagemanager, with search options.
>
> If aptitude fails, try apt-get update, then apt-get --reinstall install
> virtualbox.
>
> Make sure, you have the correct entry for the repo in sources.list.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Hans

It sounds to me as though this may be at least part of the problem.  What is 
your sources.list?

Lisi

re: xdg-utils

[Jude DaShiell]

It turns out both purge commands for xorg and pulseaudio failed for some 
reason over here and speech for now is temporarily back to normal.  I 
now don't know what's going on over here any longer.  It could be this 
sound system is on its last legs and that wouldn't be surprising since I'm 
using one of the early amd k8 athelon computers.  I know components of 
xorg are still on the system since otherwise emacs would have been cleared 
from the system and it wasn't.




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Re: Portatil se apaga solo

[laura]

Hola,
He estado haciendo algunas pruebas, por ejemplo arrancar con el kernel
anterior, y sigue dando el mismo fallo, es decir estés haciendo algo o no
en el pc, se cierra a los dos minutos de haber iniciado el sistema. Ahora
he arrancado en modo de pruebas con el kernel actual, y llevo ya unos diez
minutos sin incidencias. Salvo que ha tardado algo más  de la cuenta en
hacerme caso para apagar el pc.


On Saturday, 23 July 2016, Camaleón 
>
>
> Que se reinicie sólo y te lo diga desde luego no es convencional, es
> decir, no parece un problema de hardware



Debo decir que he probado a iniciar windows y allí no da ese problema .



> Mira a ver que no se haya activado alguna rutina de cierre (¿hibernación?
> ) o algún script que reinicie el sistema en un momento determinado.


Pues eso no lo sé, a penas da 2minutos para poder ver algo en el sistema
gráfico , ¿cómo hago para evitar que arranquen las x?

>
> Pues es raro, la verdad. Tendrías que buscar un patrón del error para ver
> qué lo puede estar provocando (p. ej., si sucede siempre cada cierto
> tiempo, si sucede únicamente cuando el equipo está sin actividad, si
> estando con las X sin iniciar también sucede..)


>
>
>

> El hecho diferencial es que tras una actualización tiene este
> comportamiento por lo que quizá alguna actualización del paquete que
> gestiona la energía (acpi) o un nuevo kernel ha generado ésto pero no es
> lo habitual en oldstable ni en estable, sólo podría suceder en testing o
> sid.


 Pues el patrón parece ser usar el kernel normal, cuando inicio en modo de
pruebas funciona bien. ¿qué diferencia hay entre un modo y otro?
Lo del acpi lo leí en ordenadores con ubuntu de hace unos años, pero probé
a poner el acpi en force en el inicio de grub y no mejoró, por eso descarté
la opción del acpi como problema . No sé, en el modo de pruebas me daba la
opción de actualizar el sistema... a lo mejor la solución es esa. Qué
opináis?


Gracias

Laura


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http://laupri.com
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xdg-utils package

[Jude DaShiell]

I wrote earlier how this could be giving orca its darth vader voice just 
as a user logged in.  I'm pretty sure it's likely to be a pulseaudio 
problem though since I cleared xdg-utils and its configuration from my 
system yesterday.  The static on speakers with most speech came back this 
morning.  The first thing I tried was to remove all of xorg group and 
configurations and that didn't get me back to normal speech on reboot. 
The next thing I did was to remove pulseaudio with all configurations and 
cascading so everything it used was also removed then I rebooted and now I 
finally got normal speech back on system.  So whatever libraries that have 
been getting updated recently used by xorg before I removed it could be 
having adverse accessibility impacts.  One of the libraries was matrosca 
which I don't often get updates to on this system.




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Re: Portatil se apaga solo

[Camaleón]

El Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:44:58 +0200, laura escribió:

> Hace unos días que un portátil lenovo que ya tiene algunos años(al menos
> 7 u 8) donde tengo instalada la debían estable actual, parece que tras
> una actualización rutinaria ha empezado a comportarse de un modo
> extraño, me explico : cuando el sistema arranca funciona bien  pero
> cuando pasan unos pocos minutos el sistema gráfico se cierra quedándose
> en la pantalla los mensajes de inicio junto a un último mensaje que
> dice:
>  reboot: system halted

Que se reinicie sólo y te lo diga desde luego no es convencional, es 
decir, no parece un problema de hardware (normalmente los portátiles se 
apagan automáticamente si están muy calientes pero no te avisan, se 
apagan -o reinician- sin más miramientos).

Mira a ver que no se haya activado alguna rutina de cierre (¿hibernación?
) o algún script que reinicie el sistema en un momento determinado.

> En esta última posición se queda durante unos minutos hasta que por fin
> se apaga el ordenador definitivamente.
> 
> 
> Necesitaría saber qué le pasa y cómo solucionarlo,gracias!  Si
> necesitáis más datos decídmelo,porfa

Pues es raro, la verdad. Tendrías que buscar un patrón del error para ver 
qué lo puede estar provocando (p. ej., si sucede siempre cada cierto 
tiempo, si sucede únicamente cuando el equipo está sin actividad, si 
estando con las X sin iniciar también sucede...).

El hecho diferencial es que tras una actualización tiene este 
comportamiento por lo que quizá alguna actualización del paquete que 
gestiona la energía (acpi) o un nuevo kernel ha generado ésto pero no es 
lo habitual en oldstable ni en estable, sólo podría suceder en testing o 
sid.

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: weired - no sound after upgrade

[Jude DaShiell]

did you run speaker-test with a sound file?

On Sat, 23 Jul 2016, Hans wrote:


Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 06:04:32
From: Hans 
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: weired - no sound after upgrade
Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:04:55 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Hi list,

is something known about a sound problem in debian/testing?

After an upgrade and a reboot I got no sound at all. Checked the following:



1.
alsamixer - all settings are set to 80 percent, including pcm, master and line 
in

-

2.
cat /proc/asound/cards

Looks ok for me.



3.
play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav

I see the file is beeing played, but there is no sound to hear.



Other things I did without success:

- reinstalled kernel
- unloaded and loaded sound-modules
- reinstalled sound related applications and libs to a prior version.


If needed, I can send a logfile of aptitude, where you can see, what happened 
the last 3
days.

At the moment I have no more clues. Any ideas are welcome.

Thank you very much!

Best

Hans









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Re: no puedo reproducir videos .ts en debian 64 bit

[Camaleón]

El Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:04:30 -0300, divagante escribió:

> El 22/07/16 a las 14:06, Camaleón escribió:
>> El Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:45:14 -0400, luis escribió:

(...)

>>> Que codec y cómo instalo estos en debian para 64 bit ??
>>>
>>> Alguna idea ??

>> Una cosa es que tu equipo no tenga capacidad (hardware) para reproducir
>> ese archivo y otra distinta es que te falte algún códec. Para lo
>> primero tendrías que reducir el tamaño del vídeo y hacerlo manejable en
>> tu entorno (requiere recodificar) y para lo segundo ejecuta "vlc -vvv
>> archivo.ts" para ver qué te dice.
>>
>>
>   Luego de esto, no esta de mas recordar que MPV es un reproductor que
> consume menos recursos que el querido VLC, sera que es mas compacto,
> sencillo, menos pretencioso

Será que es un fork de mplayer, reproductor todoterreno donde los haya :-)

>   Lo utilizo personalmente para reproducir algunos formatos .mp4 y .mkv
> que en vlc consumen por lo menos el doble en su reproduccion.

No suelo tener problemas de rendimiento con VLC aunque el equipo donde lo 
uso aún mantiene el tipo (quad core con 8 GiB de RAM). Pero sí me ha 
pasado en mi segundo equipo, con windows de 32 bits, que el pobre ya no 
puede apenas reproducir vídeo de alta definición (archivo de 2 GiB) 
aunque ahí tengo SMPlayer (otro reproductor que tira de MPlayer).

Saludos,

-- 
Camaleón

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[David Wright]

On Sat 23 Jul 2016 at 06:45:35 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 23 July 2016 05:01:37 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Saturday 23 July 2016 02:36:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Very frustrating that
> > > apparently no one on this list is enough smarter about this that
> > > they can assist me.
> >
> > Is there  a GIMP list, and have you tried it??
> 
> You are responding to a cross-post that I made to the debian list in the 
> odd chance that in my flailing about, my cane may come in contact with a 
> skull that can do something about gimp because the gimp docs distributed 
> for wheezy are so old and out of date they won't run in the context 
> mode. My way of perhaps getting a packagers attention to just how 
> worthless it is to distribute a gimp that has had hundreds of bug fixes 
> since 2.8.2, its now up to 2.8.19, and shipping 2.8.2 along with the 
> docs for 2.6.1!

The "totally broken tool" is part of the previous stable Debian
distribution called wheezy. It caused many to throw themselves under
the train (the one without a conductor) when they saw how much
worthless software was being distributed. In fact it makes you
wonder how anybody got any work done with computers at all, with
systems so outdated and containing so many bugs.

And when they got stuck, they even had to open a book to get help,
or use this new-fangled tool called AltaVista on the interweb to
find odd scraps of information like HOWTOs and READMEs. Why didn't
they come to corporate seminars like everyone else. There were always
plenty of COBOL programmers to take questions, and mail you an answer
within a week or two. Oh, dress code, you say. Well, you could write
to the Computer Weekly letters column. Oh, non-disclosure, you say...

C'mon Gene, you should know the score by now.
Unstable, or testing → frozen → stable → oldstable. Pick your poison.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Aptitude Error

[Hans]

Am Samstag, 23. Juli 2016, 08:38:02 schrieb S. P. Molnar:
> I am running v-8.4 and get the following error:
> 
> E: The package virtualbox-5.1 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find
> an archive for it.
> 
> This resulted from my bumbling effort to remove virtualbox.
> 
> What is the solution to this problem?
> 
> Thanks in advance.

Try: 

aptitude update

then

aptitude reinstall virtualbox 

If aptitude update fails, you can move /var/lib/apt/lists/* away and try 
again.

You can also use aptitude's nice ncurses gui, and search for virtualbox. 
Also synaptics is fine packagemanager, with search options.

If aptitude fails, try apt-get update, then apt-get --reinstall install 
virtualbox.

Make sure, you have the correct entry for the repo in sources.list.

Good luck!

Hans

Aptitude Error

[S. P. Molnar]

I am running v-8.4 and get the following error:

E: The package virtualbox-5.1 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find 
an archive for it.


This resulted from my bumbling effort to remove virtualbox.

What is the solution to this problem?

Thanks in advance.

--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.Life is a fuzzy set
www.Molecular-Modeling.net  Stochastic and multivariate
(614)312-7528 (c)
Skype:  smolnar1

Re: Next gotcha

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 7/22/16, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Greetings all
>
> I did, after 20 minutes of screwing around, finally get it to use a
> selected foreground color for the text.
>
> But when I hit the help menu, up pops the help for 2.6!  So I fire up
> synaptic and check to see if I am out of date, because the "context
> help" doesn't work at all.  Yup, I'm up to date allright, got gimp-2.8.2
> but the doc files are for 2.6.x.  Debian wheezy at your service, NOT.
>
> Anyway, the next problem is that I can't find a tool that will let me
> draw freehand lines so I can make a few arrows that point from a line of
> text to a feature in the image.  Or maybe even draw a balloon around the
> text pointing at the feature.


Hi.. CC'ing GIMP User, but I don't know if it will go through. So if
this does go through.. Hey All, HUGE FAN for *MANY* years, #ThankYou!
That said, I JUST yesterday stumbled on something that mostly
accomplished this although it wasn't quite what I was looking for
myself.

In the one toolbar that pops up with "CTRL-B (I think that's it, not
near that laptop to verify), I double click on the pen icon which
brings up selections of various pen types, shapes. For me in whatever
version is in Sid Unstable, there's a horizontal line choice near the
top of the pen shapes.

Once clicked, I was offered the option to change its horizontal
thickness (not its length that I noticed, anyway). For what I was
doing, I liked its effect because its final thickness varied with how
you dragged it across screen. If that doesn't fit your need, maybe one
of the other shapes while get you what you need.

That last little popup after double clicking the pen was a
hit-and-miss find in last couple years. Kind of a hail Mary deal where
that little window no longer was present where I remembered it used to
just be there by magic ages ago. May be a preference setting I'm just
missing. The hail Mary was I double clicked that icon as a desperate
last play, and that window popped up = WOOHOO! :D

Good luck!

Cindy (Sue)

-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with duct tape *

Re: Portatil se apaga solo

[Raúl Mora]

Saludos Laura
Para tener un mejor diagnostico.
Hay que ver los logs del sistema por ejemplo: /var/log/*messages* y
/var/log/*Xorg.0.log*
Que tengas buen dia.
Atte.
RAUL MORA


El 23 de julio de 2016, 5:44, laura  escribió:

> Hola,
> Hace unos días que un portátil lenovo que ya tiene algunos años(al menos 7
> u 8) donde tengo instalada la debían estable actual, parece que tras una
> actualización rutinaria ha empezado a comportarse de un modo extraño, me
> explico : cuando el sistema arranca funciona bien  pero cuando pasan unos
> pocos minutos el sistema gráfico se cierra quedándose en la pantalla los
> mensajes de inicio junto a un último mensaje que dice:
>  reboot: system halted
> En esta última posición se queda durante unos minutos hasta que por fin se
> apaga el ordenador definitivamente.
>
>
> Necesitaría saber qué le pasa y cómo solucionarlo,gracias!  Si necesitáis
> más datos decídmelo,porfa
>
>
> --
> ---
> http://laupri.com
> *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>
>

Re: no puedo reproducir videos .ts en debian 64 bit

[divagante]

El 22/07/16 a las 14:06, Camaleón escribió:

El Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:45:14 -0400, luis escribió:

(ese formato...)


Hola a todos

en Debian wheezy 764 bit con el VLC no puedo mreproducir ningún vídeo
con extensión .ts de alta definición

Los archivos Transport Stream (TS) llevan las extensiones .ts y .m2ts.
Es el formato profesional de la alta definición, utilizado por las
cámaras HD, la TDT y los propios discos Blu-ray.

Que codec y cómo instalo estos en debian para 64 bit ??

Alguna idea ??

Una cosa es que tu equipo no tenga capacidad (hardware) para reproducir
ese archivo y otra distinta es que te falte algún códec. Para lo primero
tendrías que reducir el tamaño del vídeo y hacerlo manejable en tu
entorno (requiere recodificar) y para lo segundo ejecuta "vlc -vvv
archivo.ts" para ver qué te dice.

Saludos,

 Luego de esto, no esta de mas recordar que MPV es un reproductor que 
consume menos recursos que el querido VLC, sera que es mas compacto, 
sencillo, menos pretencioso
 Lo utilizo personalmente para reproducir algunos formatos .mp4 y .mkv 
que en vlc consumen por lo menos el doble en su reproduccion.

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> Greetings all
> 
> I did, after 20 minutes of screwing around, finally get it to use a
> selected foreground color for the text.
> 
> But when I hit the help menu, up pops the help for 2.6!  So I fire up
> synaptic and check to see if I am out of date, because the "context
> help" doesn't work at all.  Yup, I'm up to date allright, got gimp-2.8.2
> but the doc files are for 2.6.x.  Debian wheezy at your service, NOT.
> 
> Anyway, the next problem is that I can't find a tool that will let me
> draw freehand lines so I can make a few arrows that point from a line of
> text to a feature in the image.  Or maybe even draw a balloon around the
> text pointing at the feature.
> 
> Did this train lose its conductor a few stops back?  Or how can I back it
> up to when it Just Worked(TM) quite a bit of the time?
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Hi,
I'm not member of the gimp list and don't want to be, so I just removed
them.

About your query. I prefer using Xfig in cases (probably) like yours. As you
mentioned, you want something to point (arrow) to something. And knowing
from previous posts, you are not a Rembrand type, I can suggest using Xfig.
I am not a Rembrand type as well and I prefer importing images in Xfig,
making arrows, objects with text etc, drawing different types of charts. It
takes some time to learn (same for gimp or double for both), but I can say
that I enjoy it.

regards

Re: weired - no sound after upgrade

[deloptes]

Hans wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> is something known about a sound problem in debian/testing?
> 
> After an upgrade and a reboot I got no sound at all. Checked the
> following:
> 
> 
> 
> 1.
> alsamixer - all settings are set to 80 percent, including pcm, master and
> line in
> 
> -
> 
> 2.
> cat /proc/asound/cards
> 
> Looks ok for me.
> 
> 
> 
> 3.
> play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
> 
> I see the file is beeing played, but there is no sound to hear.
> 
> 
> 
> Other things I did without success:
> 
> - reinstalled kernel
> - unloaded and loaded sound-modules
> - reinstalled sound related applications and libs to a prior version.
> 
> 
> If needed, I can send a logfile of aptitude, where you can see, what
> happened the last 3 days.
> 
> At the moment I have no more clues. Any ideas are welcome.
> 
> Thank you very much!
> 
> Best
> 
> Hans

Did you try alsamixer

 alsamixer -c 0

for the alsa card 0

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Curt]

On 2016-07-23, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> There is an arrow tool(s) plugin.  Here's one:
>>
>> http://registry.gimp.org/node/20269
>
> Dl'd it, where do I put it so gimp can find it?

I would guess '/usr/share/gimp/2.0/scripts/' with all the other scm
(Scheme) plugin files.

>> Maybe that's not what you're talking about exactly.
>
> If it works it will help.  Thank you.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


-- 
Même l’avenir n’est plus ce qu’il était. 
Paul Valéry  

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 05:06:30 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 23 July 2016 02:36:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I finally gave up on that,
> > and added a new text box to the picture I was working complaining
> > about how busted gimp is now and published it on my web page.
>
> Couldn't find it. :-(  Not that I would have been able to help if I
> had found it.
>
look under the mill-stuff link on the front page.

> Lisi

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 05:01:37 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Saturday 23 July 2016 02:36:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Very frustrating that
> > apparently no one on this list is enough smarter about this that
> > they can assist me.
>
> Is there  a GIMP list, and have you tried it??
>
> Lisi

You are responding to a cross-post that I made to the debian list in the 
odd chance that in my flailing about, my cane may come in contact with a 
skull that can do something about gimp because the gimp docs distributed 
for wheezy are so old and out of date they won't run in the context 
mode. My way of perhaps getting a packagers attention to just how 
worthless it is to distribute a gimp that has had hundreds of bug fixes 
since 2.8.2, its now up to 2.8.19, and shipping 2.8.2 along with the 
docs for 2.6.1!

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Portatil se apaga solo

[laura]

Hola,
Hace unos días que un portátil lenovo que ya tiene algunos años(al menos 7
u 8) donde tengo instalada la debían estable actual, parece que tras una
actualización rutinaria ha empezado a comportarse de un modo extraño, me
explico : cuando el sistema arranca funciona bien  pero cuando pasan unos
pocos minutos el sistema gráfico se cierra quedándose en la pantalla los
mensajes de inicio junto a un último mensaje que dice:
 reboot: system halted
En esta última posición se queda durante unos minutos hasta que por fin se
apaga el ordenador definitivamente.


Necesitaría saber qué le pasa y cómo solucionarlo,gracias!  Si necesitáis
más datos decídmelo,porfa


-- 
---
http://laupri.com
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 04:25:02 Curt wrote:

> On 2016-07-22, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Greetings all
> >
> > I did, after 20 minutes of screwing around, finally get it to use a
> > selected foreground color for the text.
> >
> > But when I hit the help menu, up pops the help for 2.6!  So I fire
> > up synaptic and check to see if I am out of date, because the
> > "context help" doesn't work at all.  Yup, I'm up to date allright,
> > got gimp-2.8.2 but the doc files are for 2.6.x.  Debian wheezy at
> > your service, NOT.
> >
> > Anyway, the next problem is that I can't find a tool that will let
> > me draw freehand lines so I can make a few arrows that point from a
> > line of text to a feature in the image.  Or maybe even draw a
> > balloon around the text pointing at the feature.
>
> There is an arrow tool(s) plugin.  Here's one:
>
> http://registry.gimp.org/node/20269

Dl'd it, where do I put it so gimp can find it?

> Maybe that's not what you're talking about exactly.

If it works it will help.  Thank you.

> > Did this train lose its conductor a few stops back?  Or how can I
> > back it up to when it Just Worked(TM) quite a bit of the time?
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

weired - no sound after upgrade

[Hans]

Hi list,

is something known about a sound problem in debian/testing?

After an upgrade and a reboot I got no sound at all. Checked the following:



1. 
alsamixer - all settings are set to 80 percent, including pcm, master and line 
in

-

2. 
cat /proc/asound/cards 

Looks ok for me.



3. 
play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav 

I see the file is beeing played, but there is no sound to hear.



Other things I did without success:

- reinstalled kernel
- unloaded and loaded sound-modules
- reinstalled sound related applications and libs to a prior version.


If needed, I can send a logfile of aptitude, where you can see, what happened 
the last 3 
days. 

At the moment I have no more clues. Any ideas are welcome.

Thank you very much!

Best

Hans

GIMP mailing lists - was: Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 10:01:37 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 23 July 2016 02:36:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Very frustrating that
> > apparently no one on this list is enough smarter about this that they
> > can assist me.
>
> Is there  a GIMP list, and have you tried it??

To answer my own question:

https://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html

Lisi

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 02:36:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> I finally gave up on that,
> and added a new text box to the picture I was working complaining about
> how busted gimp is now and published it on my web page.

Couldn't find it. :-(  Not that I would have been able to help if I had found 
it.

Lisi

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 23 July 2016 02:36:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Very frustrating that
> apparently no one on this list is enough smarter about this that they
> can assist me.

Is there  a GIMP list, and have you tried it??

Lisi

Re: Jessie does not boot (GRUB2 complains with "mduuid not found"

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 23/07/2016 à 03:19, Daniel Guillermo Bareiro a écrit :


The idea was to re-install without losing the containers I had
created. After finishing the installation process, GRUB failed
to boot with this message:


error: failure reading sector 0xb30 from 'fd0'
error: disk "mduuid/9c7c52338a6635c48476b6866bc3c650' not found.
Entering rescue mode...
grub rescue>

(...)

But I see no reference to the block shown in the previous
error (mduuid/9c7c52338a6635c48476b6866bc3c650).


It seems that the GRUB core image which is launched is not the one which 
was (or should have been) installed with the new system.



Any recommendations to fix this issue?


Where did you choose to install the GRUB boot image during the 
installation ? In the MBR (recommended) or in a partition boot sector ? 
If in the MBR, just reinstall it with


grub-install /dev/sda

If in a partition boot sector, make sure that the MBR contains a 
standard boot code (MSDOS-style, not the one from GRUB or LILO) and this 
partition has the boot flag in the partition table.


If available, you can use bootinfoscript to gather boot information on 
the disk.

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Curt]

On 2016-07-22, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Greetings all
>
> I did, after 20 minutes of screwing around, finally get it to use a 
> selected foreground color for the text.
>
> But when I hit the help menu, up pops the help for 2.6!  So I fire up 
> synaptic and check to see if I am out of date, because the "context 
> help" doesn't work at all.  Yup, I'm up to date allright, got gimp-2.8.2 
> but the doc files are for 2.6.x.  Debian wheezy at your service, NOT.
>
> Anyway, the next problem is that I can't find a tool that will let me 
> draw freehand lines so I can make a few arrows that point from a line of 
> text to a feature in the image.  Or maybe even draw a balloon around the 
> text pointing at the feature.

There is an arrow tool(s) plugin.  Here's one:

http://registry.gimp.org/node/20269

Maybe that's not what you're talking about exactly. 

> Did this train lose its conductor a few stops back?  Or how can I back it 
> up to when it Just Worked(TM) quite a bit of the time?
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


-- 
Même l’avenir n’est plus ce qu’il était. 
Paul Valéry  

Re: [Gimp-user] Next gotcha

[Joe]

On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 21:36:46 -0400
Gene Heskett  wrote:


> 
> I asked earlier if there was an .rc file someplace that would let me
> fix the defaults for the text gizmo, got crickets.  Very frustrating
> that apparently no one on this list is enough smarter about this that
> they can assist me.
> 
> > > Did this train lose its conductor a few stops back?  Or how can I
> > > back it up to when it Just Worked(TM) quite a bit of the time?  

> >
> > I'm guessing what you've bumped into is the problem of selecting
> > which layer you want to draw into. If you can bring up the widget
> > that shows your layer list, it's a lot easier to navigate the
> > layers. Otherwise, you have to kind of intuit which layer you are
> > currently in and use the layer menu stuff to shift between them.
> >  
> I've been advised of that layer list stuff, but it doesn't exist in
> any menu. I did see that IP can invert the order, but what order am I 
> inverting? IOW, not a clue what this layer list is, or where it it
> (in which menu pulldown).

Windows->Dockable Dialogs->Layers

Create new layers, copy existing layers to new layers so you can mess
with them, make them visible, invisible, or anywhere in between...
whatever you want to do, do it in a new layer so you can move it
around and mess with it without affecting anything else. When you're
happy, you can merge layers, and you must do this anyway when you
export to a graphics format that doesn't have them.

I've never bothered with the help, there are masses of tutorials on the
Net. So far I haven't found anything I want to do that someone else
hasn't already explained. But I'm not a graphics artist, I use Gimp
occasionally to clean things up and modify them, not to create. And
yes, it is frustrating, but so are other applications that are that
versatile. There's a whole new set of jargon to learn, dodging,
burning, cloning etc.

-- 
Joe

Re: Near clones of a Debian install

[Richard Owlett]

On 7/22/2016 6:23 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 11:04:23AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

I have a laptop set aside for experimenting with Debian installs.
I've not yet defined my personal "optimal" install.
My nominally base install will be a reasonably standard CLI plus a
personally preferred default set of utilities.

That base install *SHALL BE* on a read-only partition (e.g. sda5).
I wish to "almost clone" it to  sda5,  (e.g. sda6, sda7, sda8).
The above "almost" refers to whatever is required to run Debian as installed
to that *explicit* partition.
I will make various install/configuration choices to the "almost cloned"
partitions.
My then current "optimal" install will then be placed on either sda5 or sda
6 as I consider appropriate.

Does that make sense?


I can think of two ways of doing this. One involves VMs, which
you said you don't like.

The other involves ZFS.

Install ZFS-on-Linux, use it as your root. Snapshot the root.
Clone it X times. Change the clones.

-dsr-



I'm not familiar with ZFS. I will have to do some reading.

Re: Near clones of a Debian install

[Richard Owlett]

On 7/22/2016 4:57 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

Le 22/07/2016 à 23:21, Pascal Hambourg a écrit :


Can you write into a snapshot ?
I assumed that a snapshot was just an immutable image of the
original
volume taken at a given moment.


Never mind, I just found out that LVM2 snapshots are read/write.
Thanks for the tip.



I'm wonder if "snapshot" might be what I really want rather than 
"read only". I see some reading in my future.


Thank you Stefan and Pascal.

Re: Near clones of a Debian install

[Richard Owlett]

On 7/22/2016 1:12 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, July 22, 2016 01:41:01 PM Pascal Hambourg wrote:

Le 22/07/2016 à 18:04, Richard Owlett a écrit :

That base install *SHALL BE* on a read-only partition (e.g. sda5).
I wish to "almost clone" it to  sda5,  (e.g. sda6, sda7, sda8).


(...)


Does that make sense?


Not really.
1) You cannot install on a read-only partition.
2) It does not make sense to clone to sda5 something which is already on
sda5.


I'm tempted to attempt to amplify or clarify Pascal's response, but I'm not
sure I remember enough to do so.

Iirc, a Linux installation needs some place to write some information, and
thus, unless you make some sort of special provision (as is done, iiuc, for at
least some pendrive installations), you will have problems running Linux.

Again, iirc, some of those pendrive installations load everything they use
into a RAM drive image and run the software from there.  You could do the
same.

Some other pendrive installations do things like write what they need to write
to a writable partition on the harddrive (hopefully, after asking for a
location and permission from the user), or to some portion of the pendrive, or
to a temporarily created RAM disk.

My response is (I'm sure), not 100% accurate in the details, but I  hope it
gives you some clues to pursue further.




I did not intend to run from the "read only" partition. Its 
purpose is to be a "safe" image of my starting enviroment for my 
experments.

Re: Near clones of a Debian install

[Richard Owlett]

On 7/22/2016 2:55 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:

Le 22/07/2016 à 20:07, Richard Owlett a écrit :


The partition will be marked "read only" *AFTER* install.


May I ask how you intend to do this ?

AFAIK, there is no persistent way to mark a partition or
filesystem read-only. GPT partition table entries have a
read-only flag but it seems to be ignored.

An ext2/3/4 filesystem can be mounted read-only, but this is only
a mount-time option. tune2fs does not provide any option to mount
it read-only permanently.

A block device can be set read-only with the following command :

blockdev --setro /dev/

but this is not persistent either and must be done at each boot
by an initscript, systemd service or udev rule.


Forewarned is forearmed ;/
Just learned something more about Linux. I'll make another copy 
on removable media and then remove it.





*TYPO*
I wish to "almost clone" sda5 to [sda6, sda7, sda8].


I had figured out, but wanted to be sure there was no
misunderstanding.


I hope that makes more sense.


Quite. I have cloned a root partition on the same disk in order
to do some experiments on the cloned system. I think I just
changed the UUID and label in the filesystem metadata and in
/etc/fstab.


Something like that was in the back of my mind when writing 
"almost clone". I just didn't know what needed to be tweaked.