Re: PowerPC Debian on IBM Thinkpad 860

[Glenn English]

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 7:45 PM, limpia  wrote:
> 
> But really, you would have to just try it. I do not think you will get very 
> good results with the newest version of Debian, current stable, Jessie,...
> Perhaps Squeeze, or Wheezy, but I have my doubts.

My Raspberry Pi 3's do pretty well with Jessie on XFCE. And quite well with 
Wheezy. Their CPUs aren't multi core Xeons, but they get around to most things 
sooner than I do. Just stay away from Firefox and the like.

-- 
Glenn English

Re: Terminal

[limpia]

On 2016-07-29 23:14, limpia wrote:

On 2016-07-29 15:04, Темир Урокбаев wrote:

Hello. Tell me, is there a
comprehensive list of terminal
commands, and where to find it
or download.

This will list all the commands available on your computer,
promt@debian~$ compgen -c

The commands available to you, would depend on what
packages  and applications you have installed.
  This lists a huge number of tutorials and command
lists. :
https://lmsptfy.com/?q=comprehensive%20list%20of%20terminal%20commands%2C%20for%20linux
Additional note, and also I am sorry, I did not mean to send to your 
personal e-mail,..

 This is a pretty good list with explanations:
http://cb.vu/unixtoolbox.xhtml
---
And on the 'compgen -c ', you can output it, (print to a file)
'compgen -c > output.txt  will put the output in a file named
"output.txt", it will be in the same directory where you run the
command.

Re: Terminal

[limpia]

On 2016-07-29 15:04, Темир Урокбаев wrote:

Hello. Tell me, is there a
comprehensive list of terminal
commands, and where to find it
or download.

This will list all the commands available on your computer,
promt@debian~$ compgen -c

The commands available to you, would depend on what
packages  and applications you have installed.
  This lists a huge number of tutorials and command
lists. :  
https://lmsptfy.com/?q=comprehensive%20list%20of%20terminal%20commands%2C%20for%20linux

--
Also this is pretty comprehensive;
http://cb.vu/unixtoolbox.xhtml

Re: Terminal

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Темир Урокбаев  writes:

> Hello. Tell me, is there a
> comprehensive list of terminal
> commands, and where to find it
> or download.

Others have given good information; I'll just add that there can't be a
comprehensive list:  in addition to the built-in shell commands and the
common utilities, any package you install is likely to add more
available commands.

Re: PowerPC Debian on IBM Thinkpad 860

[Spencer Gordon]

Thanks!

-Spencer :)

*Be yourself, *
*nobody can tell you you're doing it wrong.*
*-Snoopy*

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:45 PM, limpia  wrote:

> On 2016-07-29 19:12, Spencer Gordon wrote:
>
>> The Thinkpad 860 is from around 1995. I would be ok with Windows NT,
>> but I'd like to run Debian. It has a PowerPC 603e CPU, and a GT20 GPU.
>>
>> -Spencer :)
>>
>> _Be yourself, _
>> _nobody can tell you you're doing it wrong._
>> _-Snoopy_
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 5:11 AM, Eero Volotinen
>>  wrote:
>>
>> How about running powerpc under kvm ;)
>>>
>>> Eero
>>>
>>> 29.7.2016 3.54 ap. "Spencer Gordon"  kirjoitti:
>>>
>>> Hello! I have been considering buying a used IBM Thinkpad 860
 laptop for a while now, and I was wondering if anyone had tested
 the PowerPC version of Debian on this machine. I would hope to
 install Debian, because I don't really want to use Windows HT,
 OS/2 Warp, IBM AIX, or Sun Solaris.
 Thanks!
 -Spencer

>>> I have a old IBM desktop, don't have the exact model#,handy, it is in
> "storage" but it was
> from the same time period, a little newer 1998,... and not a "laptop" or
> think pad,.. but anyway :
> http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/hamm/
>  Works, excellent on it, at least it did the last time I used it.
> While I had it I also tried Linux Mint 12, in 2007 (aprox) my memory is
> not that good, it worked, but was "slugish",
>
>  You might be ok with : http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/
>
>  But really, you would have to just try it. I do not think you will get
> very good results with the newest version of Debian, current stable,
> Jessie,...
>  Perhaps Squeeze, or Wheezy, but I have my doubts.
>  Just try it, experiment a little.
> --
>
>

Re: PowerPC Debian on IBM Thinkpad 860

[limpia]

On 2016-07-29 19:12, Spencer Gordon wrote:

The Thinkpad 860 is from around 1995. I would be ok with Windows NT,
but I'd like to run Debian. It has a PowerPC 603e CPU, and a GT20 GPU.

-Spencer :)

_Be yourself, _
_nobody can tell you you're doing it wrong._
_-Snoopy_

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 5:11 AM, Eero Volotinen
 wrote:


How about running powerpc under kvm ;)

Eero

29.7.2016 3.54 ap. "Spencer Gordon"  kirjoitti:


Hello! I have been considering buying a used IBM Thinkpad 860
laptop for a while now, and I was wondering if anyone had tested
the PowerPC version of Debian on this machine. I would hope to
install Debian, because I don't really want to use Windows HT,
OS/2 Warp, IBM AIX, or Sun Solaris.
Thanks!
-Spencer
I have a old IBM desktop, don't have the exact model#,handy, it is in 
"storage" but it was
from the same time period, a little newer 1998,... and not a "laptop" or 
think pad,.. but anyway :

http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/hamm/
 Works, excellent on it, at least it did the last time I used it.
While I had it I also tried Linux Mint 12, in 2007 (aprox) my memory is 
not that good, it worked, but was "slugish",


 You might be ok with : http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/

 But really, you would have to just try it. I do not think you will get 
very good results with the newest version of Debian, current stable, 
Jessie,...

 Perhaps Squeeze, or Wheezy, but I have my doubts.
 Just try it, experiment a little.
--

Re: PowerPC Debian on IBM Thinkpad 860

[Spencer Gordon]

The Thinkpad 860 is from around 1995. I would be ok with Windows NT, but
I'd like to run Debian. It has a PowerPC 603e CPU, and a GT20 GPU.

-Spencer :)

*Be yourself, *
*nobody can tell you you're doing it wrong.*
*-Snoopy*

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 5:11 AM, Eero Volotinen 
wrote:

> How about running powerpc under kvm ;)
>
> Eero
>
> 29.7.2016 3.54 ap. "Spencer Gordon"  kirjoitti:
>
>> Hello! I have been considering buying a used IBM Thinkpad 860 laptop for
>> a while now, and I was wondering if anyone had tested the PowerPC version
>> of Debian on this machine. I would hope to install Debian, because I don't
>> really want to use Windows HT, OS/2 Warp, IBM AIX, or Sun Solaris.
>> Thanks!
>> -Spencer
>>
>>

Re: wicd trouble -- continued

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 29 July 2016 18:07:43 Glenn English wrote:
> > On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:18 AM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> >
> > On Friday 29 July 2016 01:01:07 Glenn English wrote:
> >> But. When I tried again after telling wicd to use DHCP instead of a
> >> static IP, it successfully connected. It even got the IP I'd set up for
> >> the laptop over on the DHCP server's config.
> >
> > Ah!  There's the clue, I would guess.
>
> I claim your guess doesn't apply here, Lisi.
>
> > You had reserved the IP so the DHCP server wouldn't let anything have it.
>
> My DHCP server (the one supplied by a Wheezy install) is configured so that
> if it sees a MAC it recognizes, it gives out the IP that matches. Otherwise
> it picks one from a pool, in a distant part of the net, that I've set up
> for the purpose.
>
> DHCP won't let anyone use an IP that it considers sacred *if DHCP has a
> chance to*. Setting a static IP in a wicd config means DHCP is completely
> out of the circuit and is never contacted (if my wicd guess is correct -- I
> haven't looked at the source, so I don't really know what wicd does with a
> static IP).
>
> And besides, the DHCP config had been set up a long time ago, when my plan
> for the network was different. The wicd static was indeed different from
> the one in the DHCP config. And neither is mentioned anywhere else.
>
> And I'd been using wicd for months with the same static IP config. No
> probs.
>
> > But let the DHCP server dish it out.
>
> That usually works just fine. But when I'm doing something rootly, there is
> sometimes no DHCP available. DHCP can be a mixed blessing.

Ah, OK, so it is still a mystery.  Well, no true mystery is guessable. ;-)  
Specially when half the facts are unknown.

Stick to Brian's magic.  It usually works. ;-)

Lisi

Re: Terminal

[Stephen Powell]

On Fri, Jul 29, 2016, at 19:25, Doug wrote:
> 
> I have found Linux in a Nutshell, 6th edition, extremely useful.
> ...

I'd also like to recommend
"The Linux Cookbook: Tips and Techniques for Everyday Use", 2nd Edition,
by Michael Stutz.  This is a hard-copy book, and to the best of my
knowledge is not available online.  The first edition of the book
is available online here:

   http://www.dsl.org/cookbook/cookbook_toc.html

The first edition is getting dated, but there is still a lot of useful
information in it.  Rather than being organized as a list of commands
and parameters, it is organized in a task-oriented fashion.

(Oh, you want to do *that*!  Here, type this ...)

-- 
  .''`. Stephen Powell
 : :'  :
 `. `'`
   `-

Re: wicd trouble -- continued

[ghe]

On 07/29/2016 07:22 AM, Brian wrote:


It obviously wasn't a reasonable routing table. :) The control socket in
/run probably disappeared too.


Yes it was. Same as I've been using on that net forever.

When I set up a static IP, wicd fills in the net mask and the default 
router automatically. I don't know where it gets the info, but the 
values and the table are the same as the table on a known working, E'net 
host on the net (sbox) built at boot from /e/n/i:


route built by wicd on success:
root@gobook:~# route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse 
Iface
0.0.0.0 192.168.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG0  00 
wlan0
192.168.3.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 
wlan0


route table on the known working box:
root@gobook:~# ssh sbox route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse 
Iface

0.0.0.0 192.168.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG0  00 eth0
192.168.3.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 eth0

route table during wicd failure:
root@gobook:~# route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse 
Iface
0.0.0.0 192.168.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG0  00 
wlan0
192.168.3.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00 
wlan0


All the same, except for the interface (which is correct too).


With a static IP you are providing all the information instead of using
discovery. Are you sure you have the correct gateway and netmask?


Yes.

But there is a difference in wpa_supplicant.conf:

after a DHCP connection:
[20:C9:D0:29:41:17]
afterscript = None
dhcphostname = gobook.slsware.lan
bssid = 20:C9:D0:29:41:17
ip = None
dns_domain = None
gateway = None
use_global_dns = False
encryption = True
postdisconnectscript = None
beforescript = None
hidden = False
channel = 6
mode = Master
netmask = None
usedhcphostname = 0
predisconnectscript = None
enctype = wpa-psk
dns3 = None
dns2 = None
dns1 = None
use_settings_globally = False
use_static_dns = False
apsk = 
encryption_method = WPA2
essid = slsware.wif.2T
search_domain = None

and after an attempt on a static address:
[20:C9:D0:29:41:18]
afterscript = None
dhcphostname = gobook.slsware.lan
bssid = 20:C9:D0:29:41:18
ip = 192.168.3.90
dns_domain = None
gateway = 192.168.3.1
use_global_dns = 0
encryption = True
postdisconnectscript = None
beforescript = None or the static config.
hidden = False
channel = 36
mode = Master
netmask = 255.255.255.0
usedhcphostname = 0
predisconnectscript = None
enctype = wpa-psk
dns3 = None
dns2 = None
dns1 = 192.168.2.205
use_settings_globally = 0
use_static_dns = 1
apsk = 
encryption_method = WPA2
essid = slsware.wif.2T 5GHz
automatic = 0
search_domain = None

(There are 2 ESSIDs: slsware.wif.2T and slsware.wif.2T 5GHz -- a low 
frequency and a 5G. To keep down the typing, the low is set for DHCP and 
the high is a static IP. Both are the same IP, etc.)


It looks to me like the info's better when it comes from the static 
config than it is from DHCP. But DHCP works.


Do you see something I missed? Is set wrong?

--
Glenn English

Re: Terminal

[Doug]

On 07/29/2016 03:04 PM, Темир Урокбаев wrote:

Hello. Tell me, is there a
comprehensive list of terminal
commands, and where to find it
or download.
  
  



I have found Linux in a Nutshell, 6th edition, extremely useful. It also 
contains information on package management for deb and rpm systems,


several Unix/Linux editors, and more. 940 pages! I think the hard-copy 
price is now about $25 in the States and $27 from one UK shop that I saw 
listed.


I bought my hard copy, but there is now a free ebook at

http://ebook-dl.com/item/linux_in_a_nutshell_6th_edition_ellen_siever_stephen_figgins 



and there is a free pdf download at

www.reedbushey.com/101*Linux*%20In%20a%20*Nutshell*%206th%20Edition.pdf

--doug

Re: LibreOffice toolbars & menus are rendering badly

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 29 July 2016 21:39:47 Borden Rhodes wrote:
> First, my apologies for the wrong subject line in my last message. I
> normally remember to change the subject when I reply to the digest but
> this time I either forgot or GMail outwitted me. (My money's on the
> latter)
>
> Thank you all for the suggestions. The problem definitely seems to be
> in the libreoffice-kde package. Rather than install the -gtk3 package
> as many suggested, I instead removed the -kde package. Now things seem
> to be work normally.
>
> As an added bonus, I'm getting some added nostalgia with the Win
> 9x-era rendering of the icons and menus!

:-)  That is good news.  Perseverance pays off.

Lisi


> With thanks,
>
> > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:29:21 +0100
> > From: Lisi Reisz 
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: LibreOffice toolbars & menus are rendering badly
> > Message-Id: <201607291229.21545.lisi.re...@gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: Text/Plain;
> >   charset="utf-8"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > Content-Disposition: inline
> >
> > On Friday 29 July 2016 00:51:42 Borden Rhodes wrote:
> >> Thank you, Siard. I'm grateful for help no matter who gives it! Here's
> >> the PNG of the offending toolbar in LibreOffice:
> >> https://s31.postimg.org/fanuugafv/Screenshot.png . As I hope the photo
> >> shows, the buttons render correctly when they're hovered, but
> >> otherwise whatever was on that part of the screen previously, be it
> >> tool tips or another window, stays put.
> >>
> >> For kicks and giggles, I ran GIMP, VLC, DosBox, Calibre, OpenJDK 8
> >> PolicyTool. These programs all render and run correctly. I also tried
> >> switching the LibreOffice themes between Breeze and Galaxy to no help.
> >> The icons change but the toolbar rendering stays broken. If I knew
> >> more about how LibreOffice renders the toolbar and menus, I could try
> >> other programs that share those libraries to isolate the issue.
> >>
> >> With thanks,
> >
> > Thanks!  I can see that.  Have you tried asking for a different set of
> > icons? I have checked just now.  You can load extra "icon styles". (cf
> > Options -> LibreOffice -> View.)  I have to go and haven't time to google
> > how now, but if you haven't succeeded by the time I next get time to
> > breathe, I'll have a google.
> >
> > Lisi
> >
> >> > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:58:10 +0200
> >> > From: Siard 
> >> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >> > Subject: Re: LibreOffice toolbars & menus are rendering badly
> >> > Message-ID: <20160728095810.fc6d297c.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl>
> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >> >
> >> > Borden Rhodes wrote:
> >> >> Lisi: is there some other place where I can upload a PNG file and
> >> >> have it display/transfer properly? Other than Instagram where I don't
> >> >> have an account?
> >> >
> >> > I'm not Lisi, but this one is especially meant for forums, therefore
> >> > rather suitable IMO: https://postimage.org/
> >
> > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:41:39 +0200
> > From: =?UTF-8?Q?Luis_S=C3=A1nchez_Bejarano?=
> >  To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: LibreOffice toolbars
> > Message-ID:
> > 
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> > boundary=94eb2c073b5e6f12790538c592c2
> >
> > --94eb2c073b5e6f12790538c592c2
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > A workaround to fix the problem is to install the package
> > libreoffice-gtk3
> >
> > --94eb2c073b5e6f12790538c592c2
> > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > A workaround to fix the problem is to install the package
> > libreoffice-gtk3
> >
> > --94eb2c073b5e6f12790538c592c2--
> >
> > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:35:55 +0200
> > From: =?UTF-8?Q?Luis_S=C3=A1nchez_Bejarano?=
> >  To: j...@bordenrhodes.com
> > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: LibreOffice toolbars
> > Message-ID:
> > 
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> > boundary=94eb2c0441caef370c0538c57dbf
> >
> > --94eb2c0441caef370c0538c57dbf
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > A workaround to fix this problem is to install the package
> > libreoffice-gtk3
> >
> > --94eb2c0441caef370c0538c57dbf
> > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > A workaround to fix this problem is to install the package
> > libreoffice-gtk3
> >
> > --94eb2c0441caef370c0538c57dbf--

Re: Terminal

[Tom]

On 07/29/2016 04:04 PM, Темир Урокбаев wrote:

Hello. Tell me, is there a
comprehensive list of terminal
commands, and where to find it
or download.
  
  


The following sites may help.

http://ss64.com/bash/
http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/dir_section_1.html

Tom Ashley

Re: LibreOffice toolbars & menus are rendering badly

[Borden Rhodes]

First, my apologies for the wrong subject line in my last message. I
normally remember to change the subject when I reply to the digest but
this time I either forgot or GMail outwitted me. (My money's on the
latter)

Thank you all for the suggestions. The problem definitely seems to be
in the libreoffice-kde package. Rather than install the -gtk3 package
as many suggested, I instead removed the -kde package. Now things seem
to be work normally.

As an added bonus, I'm getting some added nostalgia with the Win
9x-era rendering of the icons and menus!

With thanks,

> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 12:29:21 +0100
> From: Lisi Reisz 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: LibreOffice toolbars & menus are rendering badly
> Message-Id: <201607291229.21545.lisi.re...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain;
>   charset="utf-8"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Disposition: inline
>
> On Friday 29 July 2016 00:51:42 Borden Rhodes wrote:
>> Thank you, Siard. I'm grateful for help no matter who gives it! Here's
>> the PNG of the offending toolbar in LibreOffice:
>> https://s31.postimg.org/fanuugafv/Screenshot.png . As I hope the photo
>> shows, the buttons render correctly when they're hovered, but
>> otherwise whatever was on that part of the screen previously, be it
>> tool tips or another window, stays put.
>>
>> For kicks and giggles, I ran GIMP, VLC, DosBox, Calibre, OpenJDK 8
>> PolicyTool. These programs all render and run correctly. I also tried
>> switching the LibreOffice themes between Breeze and Galaxy to no help.
>> The icons change but the toolbar rendering stays broken. If I knew
>> more about how LibreOffice renders the toolbar and menus, I could try
>> other programs that share those libraries to isolate the issue.
>>
>> With thanks,
>
> Thanks!  I can see that.  Have you tried asking for a different set of icons?
> I have checked just now.  You can load extra "icon styles". (cf Options ->
> LibreOffice -> View.)  I have to go and haven't time to google how now, but
> if you haven't succeeded by the time I next get time to breathe, I'll have a
> google.
>
> Lisi
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:58:10 +0200
>> > From: Siard 
>> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> > Subject: Re: LibreOffice toolbars & menus are rendering badly
>> > Message-ID: <20160728095810.fc6d297c.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> >
>> > Borden Rhodes wrote:
>> >> Lisi: is there some other place where I can upload a PNG file and have
>> >> it display/transfer properly? Other than Instagram where I don't have
>> >> an account?
>> >
>> > I'm not Lisi, but this one is especially meant for forums, therefore
>> > rather suitable IMO: https://postimage.org/
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:41:39 +0200
> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Luis_S=C3=A1nchez_Bejarano?= 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: LibreOffice toolbars
> Message-ID: 
> 
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c073b5e6f12790538c592c2
>
> --94eb2c073b5e6f12790538c592c2
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> A workaround to fix the problem is to install the package libreoffice-gtk3
>
> --94eb2c073b5e6f12790538c592c2
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
>
> A workaround to fix the problem is to install the package 
> libreoffice-gtk3
>
> --94eb2c073b5e6f12790538c592c2--
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:35:55 +0200
> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Luis_S=C3=A1nchez_Bejarano?= 
> To: j...@bordenrhodes.com
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: LibreOffice toolbars
> Message-ID: 
> 
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0441caef370c0538c57dbf
>
> --94eb2c0441caef370c0538c57dbf
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> A workaround to fix this problem is to install the package libreoffice-gtk3
>
> --94eb2c0441caef370c0538c57dbf
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
>
> A workaround to fix this problem is to install the package 
> libreoffice-gtk3
>
> --94eb2c0441caef370c0538c57dbf--

Terminal

[Темир Урокбаев]

Hello. Tell me, is there a
comprehensive list of terminal
commands, and where to find it
or download.
 
 

Re: wicd trouble -- continued

[Glenn English]

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Brian  wrote:
> 
> You really intended to delete my perceptive and informative mail and not
> reply to it? I'm in a state of shock and will have to leave this
> conversation and have a lie down.

No, Brian. What I was trying to do was to delete my half-thought-out reply to 
your perceptive and informative mail :-)

-- 
Glenn English

Re: Worrisome USB disk messages in 4.6.0-1, but not 4.5.0-2

[Brian Flaherty]

On Friday, July 29, 2016 11:39 AM, Brian Flaherty  wrote:


 > 
 > Hello,> 
> On my desktop, I've been getting messages like this in dmesg connected with 
> an external USB hard disk. This is a block of them from this morning:
[ rest deleted ]
If it is worth more information, I rebooted the desktop with kernel 
4.5.0-2-amd64 and I've not seen any of the messages, so it seem related to 
kernel 4.6.0-1.
 
   

Worrisome USB disk messages in 4.6.0-1, but not 4.5.0-2

[Brian Flaherty]

Hello,
On my desktop, I've been getting messages like this in dmesg connected with an 
external USB hard disk. This is a block of them from this morning:

Jul 29 10:21:48 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 FAILED Result: 
hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
Jul 29 10:21:48 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 Sense Key : Hardware 
Error [current] [descriptor] 
Jul 29 10:21:48 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 Add. Sense: No 
additional sense information
Jul 29 10:21:48 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 CDB: ATA command pass 
through(16) 85 06 2c 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 e5 00
Jul 29 10:21:48 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 FAILED Result: 
hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
Jul 29 10:21:48 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 Sense Key : Hardware 
Error [current] [descriptor] 
Jul 29 10:21:48 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 Add. Sense: No 
additional sense information
Jul 29 10:21:48 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 CDB: ATA command pass 
through(16) 85 06 2c 00 da 00 00 00 00 00 4f 00 c2 00 b0 00
Jul 29 10:51:55 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 FAILED Result: 
hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
Jul 29 10:51:55 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 Sense Key : Hardware 
Error [current] [descriptor] 
Jul 29 10:51:55 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 Add. Sense: No 
additional sense information
Jul 29 10:51:55 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 CDB: ATA command pass 
through(16) 85 06 2c 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 e5 00
Jul 29 10:51:55 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 FAILED Result: 
hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
Jul 29 10:51:55 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 Sense Key : Hardware 
Error [current] [descriptor] 
Jul 29 10:51:55 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 Add. Sense: No 
additional sense information
Jul 29 10:51:55 pelman kernel: sd 5:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#0 CDB: ATA command pass 
through(16) 85 06 2c 00 da 00 00 00 00 00 4f 00 c2 00 b0 00

I've been searching on the web (duckduckgo and google), but haven't seen this 
exact situation anywhere. On a bug report I read 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1176355), the person 
mentioned that their disk worked on a previous release, so I attached my disk 
to a laptop that hasn't been updated in a while. It is running Debian unstable 
with linux 4.5.0-2. None of those messages have shown up. I'm running fsck -f 
on it right now to check it (on the laptop).

Thus, I assume there is some change in the kernel code, but that my disk is 
fine. Does that sound reasonable, or has some improvement been introduced in 
the linux code that is picking up problems that 4.5 doesn't see?
Thanks for your time and happy to include further information if it is helpful.

Re: wicd trouble -- continued

[Brian]

On Fri 29 Jul 2016 at 12:08:16 -0600, Glenn English wrote:

> 
> > On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Glenn English  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Brian  wrote:
> >> 
> >> The client surely doesn't need an IP address to communicate with a dhcp
> >> server? With a wired connection association is automatically present and
> >> I suspect the initial communication involves a MAC and not an IP address.
> >> 
> >> With WiFi the purpose of association is to have both ends of the
> >> invisible cable connected. Obtaining an address with dhcp then proceeds
> >> as with a wired connection.
> >> 
> >> Having said that (and not moved a solution to your problem further on) I
> >> have no idea what significance "Setting false IP..." has.
> 
> Please excuse pressing the wrong button. Macintosh iMail's Send button
> is right next to the Delete button...

You really intended to delete my perceptive and informative mail and not
reply to it? I'm in a state of shock and will have to leave this
conversation and have a lie down.

Re: wicd trouble -- continued

[Glenn English]

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Glenn English  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Brian  wrote:
>> 
>> The client surely doesn't need an IP address to communicate with a dhcp
>> server? With a wired connection association is automatically present and
>> I suspect the initial communication involves a MAC and not an IP address.
>> 
>> With WiFi the purpose of association is to have both ends of the
>> invisible cable connected. Obtaining an address with dhcp then proceeds
>> as with a wired connection.
>> 
>> Having said that (and not moved a solution to your problem further on) I
>> have no idea what significance "Setting false IP..." has.

Please excuse pressing the wrong button. Macintosh iMail's Send button is right 
next to the Delete button...

-- 
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Re: wicd trouble -- continued

[Glenn English]

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Brian  wrote:
> 
> The client surely doesn't need an IP address to communicate with a dhcp
> server? With a wired connection association is automatically present and
> I suspect the initial communication involves a MAC and not an IP address.
> 
> With WiFi the purpose of association is to have both ends of the
> invisible cable connected. Obtaining an address with dhcp then proceeds
> as with a wired connection.
> 
> Having said that (and not moved a solution to your problem further on) I
> have no idea what significance "Setting false IP..." has.

-- 
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Re: wicd trouble -- continued

[Brian]

On Thu 28 Jul 2016 at 15:15:52 -0600, Glenn English wrote:

> > On Jul 28, 2016, at 1:27 PM, David Wright  wrote:
> > 
> > The answer may lie in the logs. Mine contains the lines
> > 
> > 2016/07/28 07:35:36 :: Setting false IP... ←--
> 
> Ah! They set an IP that will get to the DHCP server. I assume that the AP
> will send out something on the Ethernet that makes some sense to the DHCP
> server.

The client surely doesn't need an IP address to communicate with a dhcp
server? With a wired connection association is automatically present and
I suspect the initial communication involves a MAC and not an IP address.

With WiFi the purpose of association is to have both ends of the
invisible cable connected. Obtaining an address with dhcp then proceeds
as with a wired connection.

Having said that (and not moved a solution to your problem further on) I
have no idea what significance "Setting false IP..." has.

Re: wicd trouble -- continued

[Glenn English]

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 5:18 AM, Lisi Reisz  wrote:
> 
> On Friday 29 July 2016 01:01:07 Glenn English wrote:
>> But. When I tried again after telling wicd to use DHCP instead of a static
>> IP, it successfully connected. It even got the IP I'd set up for the laptop
>> over on the DHCP server's config.
> 
> Ah!  There's the clue, I would guess.  

I claim your guess doesn't apply here, Lisi.

> You had reserved the IP so the DHCP server wouldn't let anything have it.  

My DHCP server (the one supplied by a Wheezy install) is configured so that if 
it sees a MAC it recognizes, it gives out the IP that matches. Otherwise it 
picks one from a pool, in a distant part of the net, that I've set up for the 
purpose.

DHCP won't let anyone use an IP that it considers sacred *if DHCP has a chance 
to*. Setting a static IP in a wicd config means DHCP is completely out of the 
circuit and is never contacted (if my wicd guess is correct -- I haven't looked 
at the source, so I don't really know what wicd does with a static IP). 

And besides, the DHCP config had been set up a long time ago, when my plan for 
the network was different. The wicd static was indeed different from the one in 
the DHCP config. And neither is mentioned anywhere else.

And I'd been using wicd for months with the same static IP config. No probs.
 
> But let the DHCP server dish it out.

That usually works just fine. But when I'm doing something rootly, there is 
sometimes no DHCP available. DHCP can be a mixed blessing.

-- 
Glenn English

bochs; mouse and headerbar.

[peter]

Hello,

An updated jessie system here with bochs and bochs-sdl.
The system has a working PS/2 mouse.  The ~/.bochsrc is 
adjusted to boot from a floppy image.

Bochs is started from a console window and this is included 
in the output.
000i[PLGIN] reset of 'speaker' plugin device by virtual method
000e[SPEAK] Failed to open /dev/console: Permission denied
000e[SPEAK] Deactivating beep on console
000i[PLGIN] reset of 'extfpuirq' plugin device by virtual method

The mouse is inactive in the bochs window and +
has no effect.  As expected, the headerbar shows floppy A: 
as active.  The mouse is crossed out.

The problem is only that bochs can not access /dev/console?  
I haven't found anything pertinent in /usr/share/doc/bochs/* .

/dev/console should be made accessible?  How?

Other ideas?

Thanks,   ... Peter E.

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Re: wicd trouble -- continued

[Brian]

On Thu 28 Jul 2016 at 18:01:07 -0600, Glenn English wrote:

> > On Jul 28, 2016, at 5:36 AM, Brian  wrote:
> > 
> > Indeed; presumably it has decided association and authentication with
> > the access point has successfully taken place and the interface has got
> > an IP number. However, there does not appear to be routing between the
> > interface and the AP.
> 
> When I turned on the laptop, the table was empty -- no default, no
> localnet.
> 
> I asked wicd to connect to one of my wireless networks and watched the
> table. It was empty for a while, then was populated with what looked
> to me like a reasonable routing table. The firewall downstairs
> (192.168.3.1/32) as default, and the proper network as localnet
> (192.168.3.0/24). wlan0 as the interface for both.
> 
> Then after a while, it was emptied again.

It obviously wasn't a reasonable routing table. :) The control socket in
/run probably disappeared too.

> ifconfig -a : 
> 
> All three interfaces (lo, eth0, wlan0); lo set to 127.0.0.1, no IPs on
> the others. wlan0 showed 8 RX packets (816 B) and 100 TX (17.2 B). No
> errors in either direction.
> 
> systemctl stop wicd.service:
> 
> Your standard *nix answer -- nothing. In a few seconds, wicd threw up
> a window saying the wicd daemon had shut down.

Fine.
 
> wpa_suplicant -i wlan0 -C /run/wpa_supplicant:
> 
> "Successfully initialized wpa_supplicant"

Fine. Just what you want.

> Then it hung (hanged). When I ctl-c'ed, it said "wlan0:
> CTRL-EVENT-TERMINATING"

It didn't hang; it was running in the foreground. The wicd daemon issues
a similar command (see 'ps ax') but backgrounds wpa_supplicant with -B
and sets up its control socket from a file constructed by wicd. No
control socket means no wireless connection; nothing works.

> wpi_cli (2.3)
> 
> ...
> "Could not connect to wpa_supplicant: (null) - re-trying"
> 
> And hang.
> 
> add_network
> 
> Nothing. It did let me type, and I expected nothing from the frozen
> program, but I was hoping.
> 
> > How does that go?
> 
> It didn't go too well. 'ps aux | egrep wpa' shows that WS doesn't seem
> to be running.
> 
> Ah! When I ran WS on one terminal, lets it run, and open another
> terminal, wpa_cli gives a '>' prompt.

Sorry, I forgot to specify using a different terminal for wpa_cli.
Having the supplicant in the foreground lets you see what is happening.

> add-network
> 
> "0"
>
> set_network 0 ssid "slsware.wif.2T"
> 
> OK
>  
> set_network psk "" (didn't like that, but was happy when I inserted a '0')
> 
> OK
>
> enable_network 0
> 
> OK
> <3>CTRL-EVENT-STARTED
> <3>CTRL-EVENT-RESULTS
> <3>WPS-AP-AVAILABLE

The expectation here would be for authentication, association and
connection to be indicated.

> Same thing over and over...
> 
> At an '>' I entered status 0. It said:
> 
> wpa_state=SCANNING
> address=00:1f:3c:cd:69:9f
> uuid=6754040b-09ff-57cb-ab53-ae8cfb180455
> 
> Then went back to the scanning again.

Pass, but from all the evidence it appears the supplicant is doing its
job and the problem lies eleswhere. journalctl will also be of help to
see what is happening.
 
> dhclient -v wlan0 
> 
> "No working leases in persistent database - sleeping"
> 
> That doesn't seem too odd since nobody that I know of asked anything from 
> DHCP.
> 
> But. When I tried again after telling wicd to use DHCP instead of a
> static IP, it successfully connected. It even got the IP I'd set up
> for the laptop over on the DHCP server's config.
> 
> Now dhclient -v wlan0 talks about how the server received a request
> and fulfilled it. The wicd icon has that green bar saying WiFi is on.
> The routing table looks reasonable. And I can ssh around the LAN, the
> DMZ, and get out to the WAN.

Another reasonable routing table? :) How does it differ from the
previous one, if at all?
 
> That went pretty well, and I thank you very much for the guidance. But
> why? Why does DHCP work and a static IP doesn't? That's not too cool
> for a machine I use for admin'ing the servers.

With a static IP you are providing all the information instead of using
discovery. Are you sure you have the correct gateway and netmask? In
case it is useful I'll provide how I set up routing with a static IP
after using wpa_cli.

  ip addr add 192.168.7.90 dev 
  ip route add 192.168.7.0/24 dev 
  ip route add default via 192.168.7.1

Wicd does it this way:

  ifconfig   netmask 
  route add default gw  dev 

> I'm moving in a few weeks, and I really need this connectivity to get
> things working. I'd appreciate you guys telling me what's going on
> here, but I'll probably just settle for DHCP WiFi for a while. I'm
> thinking of trying to build a localhost DHCP server...
> 
> Or maybe even going so far as figuring out how to use
> /.../interfaces.

For a single AP four lines in /e/n/i does it. For roaming it is just a
little bit more complicated.

Re: LibreOffice toolbars

[Luis Sánchez Bejarano]

A workaround to fix this problem is to install the package libreoffice-gtk3

Re: LibreOffice toolbars

[Luis Sánchez Bejarano]

A workaround to fix the problem is to install the package libreoffice-gtk3

Re: LibreOffice toolbars & menus are rendering badly

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 29 July 2016 00:51:42 Borden Rhodes wrote:
> Thank you, Siard. I'm grateful for help no matter who gives it! Here's
> the PNG of the offending toolbar in LibreOffice:
> https://s31.postimg.org/fanuugafv/Screenshot.png . As I hope the photo
> shows, the buttons render correctly when they're hovered, but
> otherwise whatever was on that part of the screen previously, be it
> tool tips or another window, stays put.
>
> For kicks and giggles, I ran GIMP, VLC, DosBox, Calibre, OpenJDK 8
> PolicyTool. These programs all render and run correctly. I also tried
> switching the LibreOffice themes between Breeze and Galaxy to no help.
> The icons change but the toolbar rendering stays broken. If I knew
> more about how LibreOffice renders the toolbar and menus, I could try
> other programs that share those libraries to isolate the issue.
>
> With thanks,

Thanks!  I can see that.  Have you tried asking for a different set of icons?  
I have checked just now.  You can load extra "icon styles". (cf Options -> 
LibreOffice -> View.)  I have to go and haven't time to google how now, but 
if you haven't succeeded by the time I next get time to breathe, I'll have a 
google.

Lisi
>
> > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:58:10 +0200
> > From: Siard 
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: LibreOffice toolbars & menus are rendering badly
> > Message-ID: <20160728095810.fc6d297c.shiems...@kpnplanet.nl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> > Borden Rhodes wrote:
> >> Lisi: is there some other place where I can upload a PNG file and have
> >> it display/transfer properly? Other than Instagram where I don't have
> >> an account?
> >
> > I'm not Lisi, but this one is especially meant for forums, therefore
> > rather suitable IMO: https://postimage.org/

Re: wicd trouble -- continued

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 29 July 2016 01:01:07 Glenn English wrote:
> But. When I tried again after telling wicd to use DHCP instead of a static
> IP, it successfully connected. It even got the IP I'd set up for the laptop
> over on the DHCP server's config.

Ah!  There's the clue, I would guess.  You had reserved the IP so the DHCP 
server wouldn't let anything have it.  So far as I can see, you can't have 
your cake and eat it.  Static IP in laptop: use an IP that has not been 
reserved for anything, it or anything else.  DHCP with a "satic" IP, reserve 
the IP you want for that machine on the DHCP server.  But let the DHCP server 
dish it out.

>
> Now dhclient -v wlan0 talks about how the server received a request and
> fulfilled it. The wicd icon has that green bar saying WiFi is on. The
> routing table looks reasonable. And I can ssh around the LAN, the DMZ, and
> get out to the WAN.
>
>
> That went pretty well, and I thank you very much for the guidance. But why?
> Why does DHCP work and a static IP doesn't? That's not too cool for a
> machine I use for admin'ing the servers.

Try a static IP that you have not asked the DHCP server to reserve.  That 
should work.  But why not stick to DHCP with reservation?

Lisi

> I'm moving in a few weeks, and I really need this connectivity to get
> things working. I'd appreciate you guys telling me what's going on here,
> but I'll probably just settle for DHCP WiFi for a while. I'm thinking of
> trying to build a localhost DHCP server...
>
> Or maybe even going so far as figuring out how to use /.../interfaces.
>
> --

Re: PowerPC Debian on IBM Thinkpad 860

[Eero Volotinen]

How about running powerpc under kvm ;)

Eero

29.7.2016 3.54 ap. "Spencer Gordon"  kirjoitti:

> Hello! I have been considering buying a used IBM Thinkpad 860 laptop for a
> while now, and I was wondering if anyone had tested the PowerPC version of
> Debian on this machine. I would hope to install Debian, because I don't
> really want to use Windows HT, OS/2 Warp, IBM AIX, or Sun Solaris.
> Thanks!
> -Spencer
>
>

pppd right settings for users

[Hans]

Hi folks, 

during my experiences with several login tools with gui I remarked a little 
issue which I offer for discussion. 

I remarked, when a login is starting, the user is asked for the root password 
when the process pppd started. So I checked the situation.

On my system /usr/bin/pppd is set to root:dig (is this still so?, my system 
was installed about 5 years ago and was only regularly upgraded).

Normal users are in group "dig" (and "dialout") by default.

For normal users using the root password is no good idea, so I searched for a 
solution. The best and easiest tools for unexperienced tools are "umtsmon" 
(which is my favourite, but needs older libs) and "sakis3g" (which is state of 
the art). Packages are for both available, as I made one for the second one.

The other solutions are crippled (IMHO) for unexprienced users. All the 
wvdial.conf and editing files and so on, are crap for unexprienced users.

The solution are these:

For umtsmon and sakis3g set the excecutables below /usr/bin/ to root:dig.
This works very well without any problems and I see no security problem with 
it.

When thinking about ownership settings, IMO the settings of /usr/bin/pppd are 
not set correctly - please entlighten me: I think, the group of pppd should 
not be "dig", but "dialout". Dialout, as its name says, is that, what it does: 
it is diealling out and that is exactly what pppd does - it dials out.

Maybe this should be thought over, to make things easier. 

Personal statement:

It is a pity, that "umtsmon" depends on old qt4-libs, which is tricky to 
install on debian. Still I found none, who were able to compile a package for 
actual libs. I am still working on it, but it is hard for me, as I am only 
very very little experienced with this stuff.

For sakis3g things were easier for me: I created a package and uploaded it to 
mentors.debian.org. The documentation is being optimized, and I added the hint 
related to the root:dig-settings. 
At the moment I am stuck with the package, that shall automatically set the 
correct rights at installation. Postinst settings do not work, but I hope to 
be able to solve this problem too. Help is welcome.

That is the situation. As it is already all working fine here, I think we 
should find an easy solution for all the other happy but unexperienced debian 
users. What do you think?

Best regards

Hans-J. Ullrich   

Re: OK to upgrade to 8.5?

[Jochen Spieker]

Lisi Reisz:
> On Thursday 28 July 2016 15:43:43 Jochen Spieker wrote:
>> (Please don't top-post. Trim the quotes and reply below the quote you
>> are referring to. Thanks.)
> 
> Jochem - Steve is blind.  Many (Most?  All??)blind people find bottom posting 
> and trimming very difficult.

Thanks for that information. Sometimes I wish there were standardized
e-mail headers to indicate such special needs. But then again I wouldn't
want to run around and advertize my own constraints either.

J.
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