Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

[Michael Milliman]

My pleasure. Good luck!

73's,
de WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray

On May 6, 2017 9:24 PM, "RavenLX"  wrote:

> On 05/06/2017 08:07 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:
>
>> That is most definitely NOT a dumb question!! It is difficult at times
>> to determine where to report bugs.  However, if the bug is within the
>> Debian distribution, I would use the Debian bug reporter to report it,
>> the development team will work with upstream as necessary to resolve the
>> problem.
>>
>
> You know what, I never realized that was in there! I had to find it in the
> debian menu in XFCE (which I rarely use, since I have everything I need in
> a side panel).
>
> Many thanks for this info.
>
>
>

Re: need a tutorial on setuid

[Michael Milliman]

I can't see how dd could have been the culprit. dd is a block for block
copy and does not modify the data as it copies. I don't doubt that the
setup bits were changed, but I would suggest that you look for what really
changed those bits to prevent a future occurrence.

73's,
de WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray

On May 6, 2017 9:52 PM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:

> Greetings all;
>
> The man page for chmod has obviously been edited to remove all useful
> information.
>
> My reason asking is it appears that dd, when making a clone of an sd
> card, seems to have removed all setuid info from the executable files.
> So I'm apparently going to have to restore things as the lack is
> discovered.
>
> Thanks
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page 
>
>

Re: What On Earth Did I do?

[Martin McCormick]

Pascal Hambourg  writes:
> Le 06/05/2017 ? 05:59, Felix Miata a ?crit :
> 
> 
> The primary purpose of a boot flag is to be found by
> DOS/Windows/legacy-compatible MBR code, which can only make use of it 
> if found
> on a primary partition that also contains a bootable filesystem or 
> other
> bootloader code in the partition's PBR.
> 
> A secondary purpose of a boot flag is for legacy operating systems to 
> determine
> which primary partition is to be assigned a drive letter.
> 
> 
> 
> Another purpose of a boot flag is to allow booting with broken BIOS which
> require that the boot disk has a partition table which defines a primary
> partition with the boot flag.
> 
> 
> 

Thank you to everybody who has responded. I made some
more changes to the now working drive so I used dd to make
another copy. This time, I also added a bs=100 directive to the dd
command using 1-million bytes in each transfer rather than using
the default of 512 bytes.  the source and target drives share the
same controller with the source drive being the second connector on
the ribbon cable.

After the much, much quicker copy, I removed the source
drive, changed the jumper to make it the boot master again and
put it back on the Optoplex. This time, there was no change in
the ability to boot so I am not sure what happened before as it
booted right up again.

I am thinking the BIOS has bugs in it and will get the service
tag. I am now reaping the whirlwind of putting it on a platform
about 60 CM below the ceiling where the rear panel is facing a
wall in a corner. Getting it down without dropping it is
Olympic-level gymnastics but I did it. I even got it back in it's
normal place about 23 CM or 9 inches below the ceiling, just
enough room to close the case without scraping the ceiling:

Serial Number:   ON2TY
Model Number:  DCM
Reference Number:98054


BIOS Information
Vendor: Dell Computer Corporation
Version: A09
Release Date: 07/12/00
Address: 0xF
Runtime Size: 64 kB
ROM Size: 256 kB
Characteristics:
ISA is supported
PCI is supported
PNP is supported
APM is supported
BIOS is upgradeable
BIOS shadowing is allowed
ESCD support is available
Boot from CD is supported
Selectable boot is supported
EDD is supported
Japanese floppy for Toshiba 1.2 MB is supported (int 13h)
5.25"/360 kB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
5.25"/1.2 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
3.5"/720 kB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
3.5"/2.88 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
Print screen service is supported (int 5h)
8042 keyboard services are supported (int 9h)
Serial services are supported (int 14h)
Printer services are supported (int 17h)
CGA/mono video services are supported (int 10h)
AGP is supported
LS-120 boot is supported
ATAPI Zip drive boot is supported

need a tutorial on setuid

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

The man page for chmod has obviously been edited to remove all useful 
information.

My reason asking is it appears that dd, when making a clone of an sd 
card, seems to have removed all setuid info from the executable files. 
So I'm apparently going to have to restore things as the lack is 
discovered.

Thanks

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

[RavenLX]

On 05/06/2017 08:07 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:

That is most definitely NOT a dumb question!! It is difficult at times
to determine where to report bugs.  However, if the bug is within the
Debian distribution, I would use the Debian bug reporter to report it,
the development team will work with upstream as necessary to resolve the
problem. 


You know what, I never realized that was in there! I had to find it in 
the debian menu in XFCE (which I rarely use, since I have everything I 
need in a side panel).


Many thanks for this info.

Re: testing, mhwaveedit, anyone else having problem saving files?

[songbird]

songbird wrote:
> Victor A. Stoichita wrote:
> ...
>> Hi songbird. Mhwaveedit works as usual here. I have 1.4.23 from testing
>> repo. Just tried it on a flac file. Open -> edit -> save -> reopen = no 
>> problem.
>>
>> Mhwaveedit is very useful for me too as it is blazing fast for basic
>> audio file editing.
>>
>> Did you try "save as…" and "save selection as…" as well ?
>
> Victor, 
>
>   yes, i did, thank you for the test!
>
>   that at least let's me know it is something on this end.  :)

  well as it goes.  i've tried some things which
make me wonder if it is the i386 version which
is not working.

  does anyone here run i386 and have mhwaveedit working?

  i've tried booting my USB stick version and installing
it there and it doesn't work.  that however ends up
using the same packages as i have installed on testing.

  i also tried putting a new user on my system and
running mhwaveedit under them to make sure it wasn't 
something i had done.

  in all cases i get the same error message, so i'm
no leaning towards there being an actual bug in the
program for i386 systems.

  ah, well, audacity does work.  still, it's a lot
slower and i am used to the other...


  songbird

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

[Michael Milliman]

On 05/06/2017 06:38 PM, RavenLX wrote:
> On 05/06/2017 06:46 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:
>> beta testing.  Usually, by the time Stretch reaches the 'frozen' stage,
>> most of the major issues have been worked out, and it is reasonably
>> ready for production.  However, they may still be a few problems to be
>> worked out...it is a beta after all.
> 
> I have come to know over the years nothing is 100% perfect, even if it's
> out of beta. :) I've used beta software in the past that was very
> stable, and used stable software in the past that was buggier than
> you-know-what. (I must say the majority of the buggy software was back
> when I used to use Windows as my main OS). Since I use Debian as my main
> OS, I have had quite reliable and rock-solid results.
> 
>> I use out of distribution packages on occasion as well.  However, there
>> is no guarantee that such packages will work or continue to work under
>> the new distribution, even after it is released as Debian Stable.
> 
> The ones I use are Google Chrome (because I need to have things like
> bookmarks, etc. available across several devices), JEdit (I use this for
> development), TLP Power Management (because otherwise my laptop's fan
> would be on all the time and it would get quite hot for some reason),
> Thunderbird from Ubuntuzilla, and VirtualBox (because I like to have the
> latest). Also videolan is in there for the stuff needed for playing DVDs
> on my laptops. I don't use CiaroDock right now but I do have it
> commented out in case I want to go back to it. Also I added the
> backports repo. That's the crazy setup I have. I'm thinking of doing
> this for GIMP and Blender as well. Not sure yet. I like having new
> features. :) I'm considering going back to KDE and having the latest KDE
> updates, too (right now I'm doing quite well with XFCE from the Jessie
> repo). Sometimes I like to try different things (and do so usually first
> in a virtual machine for awhile).
> 
>> Having said that, if they worked under Debian 8, they may well work
>> under Debian 9.  Keep in mind, however, the libraries available with
>> Debian 9 will in many cases be new and updated versions, and may not be
>> the same as the ones used by the out of distribution packages. So there
>> may be some compatibility issues. (Issues I did have with one of the
>> out-of-distribution packages I use.)
> 
> I've had that happen a long time ago with something (I forgot what now).
> Very much a PITA.
> 
>> Give it a try.  If it works for you great.
> 
> Going to do that in a VM first.
> 
>> If you have problems,
>> especially with packages/libraries within the distribution, report them
>> so that they can be addressed and fixed.  That kind of input is
>> important in getting the Stretch distribution through the process to the
>> Stable distribution.
> 
> I'll earn the "dumb question of the century" award for this but...
> 
> What list do I report bugs to and is there something online that tells
> someone (who doesn't normally report bugs) the proper way to do bug
> reports?
> 
That is most definitely NOT a dumb question!! It is difficult at times
to determine where to report bugs.  However, if the bug is within the
Debian distribution, I would use the Debian bug reporter to report it,
the development team will work with upstream as necessary to resolve the
problem.  If if is out-of-distribution, they you would have to report it
through whatever method the package distributer provides for doing such
things, which varies from package to package.

> Thank you for the detailed information you gave. It's very much
> appreciated. :)
> 

-- 
73's,
WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

[RavenLX]

On 05/06/2017 06:46 PM, Michael Milliman wrote:

beta testing.  Usually, by the time Stretch reaches the 'frozen' stage,
most of the major issues have been worked out, and it is reasonably
ready for production.  However, they may still be a few problems to be
worked out...it is a beta after all.


I have come to know over the years nothing is 100% perfect, even if it's 
out of beta. :) I've used beta software in the past that was very 
stable, and used stable software in the past that was buggier than 
you-know-what. (I must say the majority of the buggy software was back 
when I used to use Windows as my main OS). Since I use Debian as my main 
OS, I have had quite reliable and rock-solid results.



I use out of distribution packages on occasion as well.  However, there
is no guarantee that such packages will work or continue to work under
the new distribution, even after it is released as Debian Stable.


The ones I use are Google Chrome (because I need to have things like 
bookmarks, etc. available across several devices), JEdit (I use this for 
development), TLP Power Management (because otherwise my laptop's fan 
would be on all the time and it would get quite hot for some reason), 
Thunderbird from Ubuntuzilla, and VirtualBox (because I like to have the 
latest). Also videolan is in there for the stuff needed for playing DVDs 
on my laptops. I don't use CiaroDock right now but I do have it 
commented out in case I want to go back to it. Also I added the 
backports repo. That's the crazy setup I have. I'm thinking of doing 
this for GIMP and Blender as well. Not sure yet. I like having new 
features. :) I'm considering going back to KDE and having the latest KDE 
updates, too (right now I'm doing quite well with XFCE from the Jessie 
repo). Sometimes I like to try different things (and do so usually first 
in a virtual machine for awhile).



Having said that, if they worked under Debian 8, they may well work
under Debian 9.  Keep in mind, however, the libraries available with
Debian 9 will in many cases be new and updated versions, and may not be
the same as the ones used by the out of distribution packages. So there
may be some compatibility issues. (Issues I did have with one of the
out-of-distribution packages I use.)


I've had that happen a long time ago with something (I forgot what now). 
Very much a PITA.



Give it a try.  If it works for you great.


Going to do that in a VM first.


If you have problems,
especially with packages/libraries within the distribution, report them
so that they can be addressed and fixed.  That kind of input is
important in getting the Stretch distribution through the process to the
Stable distribution.


I'll earn the "dumb question of the century" award for this but...

What list do I report bugs to and is there something online that tells 
someone (who doesn't normally report bugs) the proper way to do bug reports?


Thank you for the detailed information you gave. It's very much 
appreciated. :)

Re: Debian 8.8 Released but can't get via apt-get?

[RavenLX]

On 05/06/2017 05:07 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

You get the updates normally.  If you managed to update to 8.7 just
fine, likely that means your mirror just doesn't have sync'd yet.  Wait
a few hours, and try again.


Now it works! I just updated my main laptop. Sven Hartge was right - I 
just needed a little patience. :)



The /etc/debian_version file usually has the version of Debian installed
in the system.

Try this in a command line shell:
cat /etc/debian_version


Now it says 8.8. All is good!

Thank you (both you and Sven) for your assurances.

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

[RavenLX]

On 05/06/2017 06:31 PM, Fungi4All wrote:
First check the hardware differences that are supported, then take a 
look at the bug lists for testing and unstable to see if you are using 
any buggy packages that do not apply on stable.  If you don't see 
anything that relates to your use you will be happy.


Good idea. I didn't see anything that would be too much of a problem, 
overall (even on a virtual machine).


Don't let the terms testing/unstable scare you much.  Remember many 
distributions are based on those two and not stable.


It all depends on your specific use.


I remember some time back I used SolydK and if I remember right, they 
based theirs on Testing, come to think of it.

Re: Live Fille System Backup

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 07/05/17 01:56, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 06:42:46AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 07:52:25AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 01:35:35PM -0700, Sergei G wrote:

it would be naive at best to think that busy files [...]

What is a "busy" file?

Open for writing.

Hm. That just means that the file will change after being copied.
In itself not a problem (Note that there are other, stronger concepts
of busy. An open file for write can be opened for read/write by
another process, can be deleted, yadda, yadda. It can be definitely
copied. Less civilised operating systems lock files when opened for
write, but not the Unixoids).


If a file is updated while it is being copied, it may contain only half 
a change set and be in an internally inconsistent state, perhaps making 
it unusable as a backup. Writes are typically not atomic. The same 
problem applies to collections of files that reference each other.


Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

[Michael Milliman]

On 05/06/2017 04:55 PM, RavenLX wrote:
> I am thinking about trying out Stretch (Debian 9) in either a spare
> laptop or a virtual machine. If I like it I might just point my sources
> list to that repo on both laptops if it's stable enough.
> 
I can't speak categorically, but In installed Stretch a couple of months
ago on my older laptop.  It has been running without a hitch 24/7 since
then.
> My question is, once it's "frozen", how stable is it or is it still
> pretty much not suitable for production yet? 

The word 'stable' doesn't refer to the stability of the installed system
vis-a-vis system crashes, etc.  It refers to the packages and versions
in the repositories for the distribution.  It is stable in that
the packages currently part of the release 9 distribution are/will be
the packages available at the versions currently in the repositories. It
is frozen in the sense that no new packages/version upgrades will be
admitted to the Stretch distribution. Patches may still be made to fix
security issues and serious bugs.  During this time between freezing the
distribution and its actual release as the 'stable' distribution it is
thoroughly tested to make sure everything works and the various packages
talk to each other they way they should.  In effect, Stretch is under
beta testing.  Usually, by the time Stretch reaches the 'frozen' stage,
most of the major issues have been worked out, and it is reasonably
ready for production.  However, they may still be a few problems to be
worked out...it is a beta after all.

I also use a couple
> programs from outside ppas (*gulp!* :-O) and am taking into
> consideration conflicts with those as well. They do work great with the
> current stable.

I use out of distribution packages on occasion as well.  However, there
is no guarantee that such packages will work or continue to work under
the new distribution, even after it is released as Debian Stable.
Having said that, if they worked under Debian 8, they may well work
under Debian 9.  Keep in mind, however, the libraries available with
Debian 9 will in many cases be new and updated versions, and may not be
the same as the ones used by the out of distribution packages. So there
may be some compatibility issues. (Issues I did have with one of the
out-of-distribution packages I use.)

Give it a try.  If it works for you great.  If you have problems,
especially with packages/libraries within the distribution, report them
so that they can be addressed and fixed.  That kind of input is
important in getting the Stretch distribution through the process to the
Stable distribution.

-- 
73's,
WB5VQX -- The Very Quick X-ray

Fwd: Crear ISO personalizada de Debian

[Alejandro García]

Ante todo un cordial saludo.

Yo hice algo parecido esta mi blog donde lo explico a lo mejor con ese
programa puedes hacer un instalador personalizado pero no llegue a tanto
por que solo necesitaba el live usb, te dejo la url para que la visites:

http://gnu-linux-xx.blogspot.com/2013/06/creando-un-live-
usbdvd-con-debian-70.html

Espero que te sirva de algo.

El 6 de mayo de 2017, 16:41, Alan  escribió:

> Saludos a todos, me registré hoy en la lista.
>
> Quisiera modificar una ISO de Debian con Xfce para que ya traiga
> instaladas ciertas aplicaciones y esté configurado de determinada
> manera. Investigando sobre el tema encontré esta página, donde hay una
> guía utilizando un programa llamado "Systemback" y una máquina virtual:
> https://www.linuxadictos.com/crear-distribucion-linux.html
>
> Creo que funcionará, pero quería saber la opinión de personas más
> experimentadas, para ver si les parecía adecuado este método o conocen
> uno mejor. Aclaro que soy un simple usuario y no tengo grandes
> conocimientos de informática.
>
> Muchas gracias
>
>


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Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

[Fungi4All]

From: rave...@sitesplace.net

> I am thinking about trying out Stretch (Debian 9) in either a spare
> laptop or a virtual machine. If I like it I might just point my sources
> list to that repo on both laptops if it's stable enough.

For my use and the packages I need both stretch and sid have been rock stable, 
in most cases you can hardly tell the difference from Jessie.

> My question is, once it's "frozen", how stable is it or is it still
> pretty much not suitable for production yet? I also use a couple
> programs from outside ppas (*gulp!* :-O) and am taking into
> consideration conflicts with those as well. They do work great with the
> current stable.

First check the hardware differences that are supported, then take a look at 
the bug lists for testing and unstable to see if you are using any buggy 
packages that do not apply on stable. If you don't see anything that relates to 
your use you will be happy.

Don't let the terms testing/unstable scare you much. Remember many 
distributions are based on those two and not stable.

It all depends on your specific use.

Re: how to add a remote login to XDMCP Chooser in the login window

[Fungi4All]

From: abelahc...@gmail.com
>I want to log in a remote server using xdmcp from my local machine, 
>unfortunately there is no chooser in my local login (I use
>lightdm).
>How to add a remote connexion to the list in local login window?

Have you tried any of these packages?
xdm
xrdp

And take a look at these too (not exactly what you are asking for)

guacamole
guacd
X11vnc

How stable is the frozen stretch?

[RavenLX]

I am thinking about trying out Stretch (Debian 9) in either a spare 
laptop or a virtual machine. If I like it I might just point my sources 
list to that repo on both laptops if it's stable enough.


My question is, once it's "frozen", how stable is it or is it still 
pretty much not suitable for production yet? I also use a couple 
programs from outside ppas (*gulp!* :-O) and am taking into 
consideration conflicts with those as well. They do work great with the 
current stable.

Re: Why can't I install wine?

[Dennis Wicks]

Sven Joachim wrote on 05/06/2017 03:25 PM:
> On 2017-05-06 14:48 -0500, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> 
>> I am running Jessie and it is up-to-date. When I try to
>> install wine I get:
>>
>>> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>>>   fonts-horai-umefont{a} fonts-unfonts-core{a} libcapi20-3{a} 
>>> libgphoto2-port12{a} libosmesa6{ab} p7zip{a} wine wine1.9 
>>>   wine1.9-i386{ab} winetricks{a} 
>>> 0 packages upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
>>> Need to get 41.4 MB of archives. After unpacking 284 MB will be used.
>>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>>>  wine1.9-i386 : Depends: libgphoto2-6 (>= 2.5.10) but 2.5.4-1.1+b2 is 
>>> installed.
>>>  libosmesa6 : Depends: libnettle6 which is a virtual package.
>>> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
>>>
>>>  Keep the following packages at their current version:
>>> 1) libosmesa6 [Not Installed] 
>>> 2) wine [Not Installed]   
>>> 3) wine1.9 [Not Installed]
>>> 4) wine1.9-i386 [Not Installed]   
> 
> There is no wine1.9 package in Debian, so it has to come from a third
> party repository which is not compatible with Jessie.
> Run "apt-cache policy wine" to find out what it is.
> 
> Cheers,
>Sven
> 
Sven;

Thanks for that. I will put that in my "hints" repository!
I removed the foreign repo and wine installed correctly.
I don't know why there was a wine in that repository but I
will remember to remove those things from my sources.list in
the future. That will no doubt save me many headaches!

Again, Thanks!!
Dennis

Re: Debian 8.8 Released but can't get via apt-get?

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sat, 06 May 2017, RavenLX wrote:
> Does it take awhile for the updates to get to the mirrors? Or do I already

Yes, even assuming everything is working correctly, it takes several
hours for the entire push mirror hierarchy to sync.

Also, some mirrors are not even push-based, they will update from their
upstream mirror every so often (hopefully more than once a day).

> Can someone enlighten me as to how to get the 8.8 updates or how to tell if
> I already have them?

You get the updates normally.  If you managed to update to 8.7 just
fine, likely that means your mirror just doesn't have sync'd yet.  Wait
a few hours, and try again.


The /etc/debian_version file usually has the version of Debian installed
in the system.

Try this in a command line shell:
cat /etc/debian_version


-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: Live Fille System Backup

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sat, 06 May 2017, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 2. one or more components of a set of several files change *during*
> >backup (files may be internally consistent, but the set of files
> >itself isn't).
> 
> Only the application can know that. But this is a realm where snapshots
> won't help either, without the application's help.
> 
> > In some cases, (1) and (2) can manifest as files missing from the
> > backup, or being zero-sized.
> 
> If I understood you correctly (2) won't produce empty or missing files,
> just inconsistent application state.

If the application does delete-then-create, it is a race, you can hit it
after the unlink but before create (file will be missing from the
backup), after the create before any writing (file in backup will be
zero-sized), or during writes (file will be incomplete).  This is valid
for (1) and (2).

If the application does write-in-place (typical for mmap()), you get an
internally inconsistent file, possibly incorrectly sized.  If it does
truncate-and-write, "possibly incorrectly sized" also includes the
possibility of an empty file.

Applications doing atomic replacement change this: you will get either
the old or the new file or directory (application places the entire file
set on its own directory).  No race, there.


And, finally, as you pointed out, rsync will usually[1] be able to
notice when an inode changes behind its feet (i.e. while it is copying
its contents).

[1] I am not sure it can detect changes that are not reflected in the
inode for whatever reason (e.g. because the writer reset all relevant
inode metadata after writing).

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Crear ISO personalizada de Debian

[Alan]

Saludos a todos, me registré hoy en la lista.

Quisiera modificar una ISO de Debian con Xfce para que ya traiga
instaladas ciertas aplicaciones y esté configurado de determinada
manera. Investigando sobre el tema encontré esta página, donde hay una
guía utilizando un programa llamado "Systemback" y una máquina virtual:
https://www.linuxadictos.com/crear-distribucion-linux.html

Creo que funcionará, pero quería saber la opinión de personas más
experimentadas, para ver si les parecía adecuado este método o conocen
uno mejor. Aclaro que soy un simple usuario y no tengo grandes
conocimientos de informática.

Muchas gracias

Re: Debian 8.8 Released but can't get via apt-get?

[Sven Hartge]

RavenLX  wrote:

> I have 8.7 on my system and read that 8.8 is now available. I did an
> update yesterday (I prefer to do this at the command line). I'm still
> at 8.7, so after the announcement I did another update. I got no
> updates.  (sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
> showed no updates available).

> Does it take awhile for the updates to get to the mirrors?

Yes.

> Or do I already have them? I thought if I had them then
> /etc/debian_version would show 8.8 but it doesn't. It still says 8.7.

You will have all security updates, if you stood on top of them.
There will be some non-security related updates, including a new version
of base-files containing /etc/debian_version, once the mirrors have all
been updated.

Be patient, young padawan! Eagerness the path to the dark side it is.

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: Why can't I install wine?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2017-05-06 14:48 -0500, Dennis Wicks wrote:

> I am running Jessie and it is up-to-date. When I try to
> install wine I get:
>
>> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>>   fonts-horai-umefont{a} fonts-unfonts-core{a} libcapi20-3{a} 
>> libgphoto2-port12{a} libosmesa6{ab} p7zip{a} wine wine1.9 
>>   wine1.9-i386{ab} winetricks{a} 
>> 0 packages upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
>> Need to get 41.4 MB of archives. After unpacking 284 MB will be used.
>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>>  wine1.9-i386 : Depends: libgphoto2-6 (>= 2.5.10) but 2.5.4-1.1+b2 is 
>> installed.
>>  libosmesa6 : Depends: libnettle6 which is a virtual package.
>> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
>> 
>>  Keep the following packages at their current version:
>> 1) libosmesa6 [Not Installed] 
>> 2) wine [Not Installed]   
>> 3) wine1.9 [Not Installed]
>> 4) wine1.9-i386 [Not Installed]   

There is no wine1.9 package in Debian, so it has to come from a third
party repository which is not compatible with Jessie.
Run "apt-cache policy wine" to find out what it is.

Cheers,
   Sven

Trabajo al inicio del sistema debian

[R Calleja]

Hola,
alguien puede ayudarme, hice una instalacion de debian y cada vez que
inicio el sistema se ejecuta un jobs en el inicio .

Como puedo saber lo que hace el jobs y desactivarlo , tarda casi un
minuto y medio .

Gracias, Roberto.

Re: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'

[Joe]

On Sat, 6 May 2017 20:41:28 +0200
Pascal Hambourg  wrote:

> Le 06/05/2017 à 20:06, Joe a écrit :
> >
> > Thanks, I'll have a go at that later. I'm currently bogged down in a
> > completely unrelated grub issue on a different (wheezy) machine: I
> > have an ext4 filesystem which passes fsck fine, to which I can
> > write, but which grub2 cannot see.
> >
> > The same grub rescue> prompt, ls can see the partitions, but grub2
> > cannot read the root one, says 'unknown filesystem'. An attempt to
> > reload after a chroot assures me that grub-probe cannot read it,
> > either. The grub-probe installed in the current Knoppix sees it as
> > 'ext2', which may be as much as I can hope for, but wheezy's
> > grub-probe cannot see it at all, presumably ext4 is too recent for
> > it.  
> 
> Ext4 was already the default filesystem type in Wheezy, and I have 
> happily used Wheezy and GRUB (1.99) on ext4 without any issue.
> 
> GRUB just report any ext2/3/4 filesystem as ext2.
> 

Yes, I realise that wheezy knows ext4, which is why it didn't occur to
me not to use it, but grub did say 'unknown filesystem', and it did work
when I switched to an ext3 root partition. The Net seems to indicate a
troubled relationship between grub-probe and ext4.

Well, it didn't work actually, it gave me a new and interesting error:
'bad filename' when I tried ls. But it accepted 'insmod normal', and
then the 'normal' command gave me a kernel menu.

All is somewhat well now, except that this machine was to be a testbed
for a wheezy->jessie upgrade. The upgrade went reasonably well, but
several important daemons (most notably samba and exim4) need new
configuration files and options, so it's pretty much a migration rather
than an upgrade anyway. Apache2 was easier than expected, initially it
would not run at all, but all it needed was a '+' sign in a crucial
place. Fussy. But it's 9PM now and I've had enough for today... many
thanks for your help and encouragement.

-- 
Joe

Debian 8.8 Released but can't get via apt-get?

[RavenLX]

I have 8.7 on my system and read that 8.8 is now available. I did an 
update yesterday (I prefer to do this at the command line). I'm still at 
8.7, so after the announcement I did another update. I got no updates. 
(sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade showed no 
updates available).


Does it take awhile for the updates to get to the mirrors? Or do I 
already have them? I thought if I had them then /etc/debian_version 
would show 8.8 but it doesn't. It still says 8.7.


Can someone enlighten me as to how to get the 8.8 updates or how to tell 
if I already have them?

Why can't I install wine?

[Dennis Wicks]

I am running Jessie and it is up-to-date. When I try to
install wine I get:

> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   fonts-horai-umefont{a} fonts-unfonts-core{a} libcapi20-3{a} 
> libgphoto2-port12{a} libosmesa6{ab} p7zip{a} wine wine1.9 
>   wine1.9-i386{ab} winetricks{a} 
> 0 packages upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
> Need to get 41.4 MB of archives. After unpacking 284 MB will be used.
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  wine1.9-i386 : Depends: libgphoto2-6 (>= 2.5.10) but 2.5.4-1.1+b2 is 
> installed.
>  libosmesa6 : Depends: libnettle6 which is a virtual package.
> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
> 
>  Keep the following packages at their current version:
> 1) libosmesa6 [Not Installed] 
> 2) wine [Not Installed]   
> 3) wine1.9 [Not Installed]
> 4) wine1.9-i386 [Not Installed]   
> 

And this solution installs nothing! I don't know how to get
out of this. There must be a mistake somewhere. How could
this situation get into the production release? How do I fix it?

Many TIA!!
Dennis

Re: Live Fille System Backup

[tomas]

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On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 02:18:47PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Sat, 06 May 2017, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > Hm. That just means that the file will change after being copied.
> 
> There can also exist busy file *sets*, which need to be atomically
> snapshotted (this is, of course, application specific).

Yes, this is what I meant by "skew": the point in time files are
copied varies. Even worse, some applications might have essential
parts of their state in RAM, not committed to file at all.

That's why I mentioned snapshotting (LVM, or overlayfs, or a file
system which can do the trick, as zfs or btrfs). If you go the whole
way of zfs or btrfs, those file systems can do better than rsync
anyway.

For a database worth its salt there are other possibilities (PostgreSQL
can save a consistent state on-disk) -- after all they're in the
transaction business.

> "busy", as far as backups go, means:
> 
> 1. a file changes [either in memory/buffer cache, or in the backend
>storage] *while* being copied (so it is internally inconsistent) --
>backup will have sections of the old file, and sections of the new
>file.

Rsync will notice and warn on that. Of course, at the next attempt
that can happen again :)

> 2. one or more components of a set of several files change *during*
>backup (files may be internally consistent, but the set of files
>itself isn't).

Only the application can know that. But this is a realm where snapshots
won't help either, without the application's help.

> In some cases, (1) and (2) can manifest as files missing from the
> backup, or being zero-sized.

If I understood you correctly (2) won't produce empty or missing files,
just inconsistent application state.

cheers
- -- tomás
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Re: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 06/05/2017 à 20:06, Joe a écrit :


Thanks, I'll have a go at that later. I'm currently bogged down in a
completely unrelated grub issue on a different (wheezy) machine: I have
an ext4 filesystem which passes fsck fine, to which I can write, but
which grub2 cannot see.

The same grub rescue> prompt, ls can see the partitions, but grub2
cannot read the root one, says 'unknown filesystem'. An attempt to
reload after a chroot assures me that grub-probe cannot read it,
either. The grub-probe installed in the current Knoppix sees it as
'ext2', which may be as much as I can hope for, but wheezy's
grub-probe cannot see it at all, presumably ext4 is too recent for it.


Ext4 was already the default filesystem type in Wheezy, and I have 
happily used Wheezy and GRUB (1.99) on ext4 without any issue.


GRUB just report any ext2/3/4 filesystem as ext2.

Re: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'

[Joe]

On Sat, 6 May 2017 18:12:03 +0200
Pascal Hambourg  wrote:

> Le 06/05/2017 à 17:19, Joe a écrit :
> >>
> >> However, the ls command I suggested may still be useful to check
> >> GRUB's idea of the sizes.  
> >
> > ls (hd0)
> > (hd0): Filesystem is unknown.
> >
> > ls (hd0,1)
> > (hd0,1): Filesystem is ext2. (after several seconds' pause)
> >
> > I'm only getting the grub rescue> prompt, not the grub> prompt.  
> 
> I expected that "ls" would be the same in normal and rescue mode. 
> Obviously I was wrong.
> 
> If the GRUB version on the internal disk is the same, you could boot 
> from it while the USB disk is connected, and if the BIOS exposes the
> USB disk even though it is not the boot disk (some BIOS do, others
> don't), then you could use the "ls" command in normal mode to check
> (hd1) and (hd1,1).
> 
> Also, if you want to check the partition table on the USB disk more 
> thoroughly, you can print it (p) in expert mode (x) with fdisk to 
> display both LBA and CHS parameters. CHS parameters cannot be used 
> beyond 8 GiB and should contain 1023/254/63.
> 
> 

Thanks, I'll have a go at that later. I'm currently bogged down in a
completely unrelated grub issue on a different (wheezy) machine: I have
an ext4 filesystem which passes fsck fine, to which I can write, but
which grub2 cannot see. 

The same grub rescue> prompt, ls can see the partitions, but grub2
cannot read the root one, says 'unknown filesystem'. An attempt to
reload after a chroot assures me that grub-probe cannot read it,
either. The grub-probe installed in the current Knoppix sees it as
'ext2', which may be as much as I can hope for, but wheezy's
grub-probe cannot see it at all, presumably ext4 is too recent for it.

I'm not going to mess about any more, I'll recreate the partition as
ext3. No doubt grub will find a new and interesting error for me then.

-- 
Joe

Console fonts SOLVED :-)

[Larry Dighera]

I gave up on Jessie, and installed Stretch as you and others in the 
debian-users mailing list advised. 

Installing Debian Stretch (testing) from this link: 

 on the Udoo X86 required placing the rtl8168g-2.fw driver in the root 
directory of the USB ISO installation medium to support the Edimax Nano 150Mbps 
Wireless 802.11b/g/n USB Adapter. 
The driver was downloaded from this page:
 https://packages.debian.org/source/stretch/firmware-nonfree
  
http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-nonfree_20161130.orig.tar.xz

The specific 'rtl8168g-2.fw' driver required was extracted from the compressed 
tar archive with 7-Zip.

Stretch runs great! 

Re: Live Fille System Backup

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sat, 06 May 2017, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Hm. That just means that the file will change after being copied.

There can also exist busy file *sets*, which need to be atomically
snapshotted (this is, of course, application specific).

"busy", as far as backups go, means:

1. a file changes [either in memory/buffer cache, or in the backend
   storage] *while* being copied (so it is internally inconsistent) --
   backup will have sections of the old file, and sections of the new
   file.

2. one or more components of a set of several files change *during*
   backup (files may be internally consistent, but the set of files
   itself isn't).

In some cases, (1) and (2) can manifest as files missing from the
backup, or being zero-sized.

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: Migration 32 bits vers 64 bits gros problème avec dpkg testing

[MERLIN Philippe]

Bonsoir,
J'avance péniblement dans cette migration et j'espérais arriver à la fin 
Las !!!
J'arrive à obtenir un apt-get -f install qui semble cohérent sauf  que python3 
a frappé et me bloque, je ne sais pas comment m'en sortir.
Les scripts de python3 semblent ne pas avoir envisager la possibilité d'avoir 
un instant donné deux versions d'un paquet i386 et amd64 si bien que 
dpkg -L paquet sort en erreur, à la main un dpkg -l paquet:i386 marche très 
bien.
Voici la sortie d'erreur :

Suppression de python3-pil:i386 (4.0.0-4) ...
dpkg-query: erreur: --listfiles requiert un nom de paquet légal. « python3-p
il » ne l'est pas ; nom de paquet « python3-pil » ambigu avec plus d'une 
instance installée

Utiliser --help pour de l'aide sur la recherche de paquets.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/py3clean", line 210, in 
main()
  File "/usr/bin/py3clean", line 196, in main
pfiles = set(dpf.from_package(options.package))
  File "/usr/share/python3/debpython/files.py", line 53, in from_package
raise Exception("cannot get content of %s" % package_name)
Exception: cannot get content of python3-pil
dpkg: erreur de traitement du paquet python3-pil:i386 (--remove) :
 le sous-processus script pre-removal installé a retourné une erreur de sortie 
d'état 1
dpkg-query: erreur: --listfiles requiert un nom de paquet légal. « python3-p
il » ne l'est pas ; nom de paquet « python3-pil » ambigu avec plus d'une 
instance installée

Utiliser --help pour de l'aide sur la recherche de paquets.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/py3compile", line 290, in 
main()
  File "/usr/bin/py3compile", line 270, in main
options.force, options.optimize, e_patterns)
  File "/usr/bin/py3compile", line 154, in compile
for fn, versions_to_compile in filter_files(files, e_patterns, versions):
  File "/usr/bin/py3compile", line 106, in filter_files
for fn in files:
  File "/usr/share/python3/debpython/files.py", line 71, in filter_public
for fn in files:
  File "/usr/share/python3/debpython/files.py", line 53, in from_package
raise Exception("cannot get content of %s" % package_name)
Exception: cannot get content of python3-pil
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
 le sous-processus script post-installation installé a retourné une erreur de 
sortie d'état 1
Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution :
 python3-pil:i386
Si quelqu'un peut m'aider ou m'indiquer une piste pour m'en sortir, je serais 
très reconnaissant.
Philippe Merlin
P.S. Je remercie Etienne Mollier pour son message qui était très intéressant, 
si j'avais lu le lien qu'il indique j'aurais certainement agis différemment, 
malheureusement j'étais déjà bien avancé dans ma migration et je ne pouvais 
pas revenir en arrière

Re: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 06/05/2017 à 17:19, Joe a écrit :


However, the ls command I suggested may still be useful to check
GRUB's idea of the sizes.


ls (hd0)
(hd0): Filesystem is unknown.

ls (hd0,1)
(hd0,1): Filesystem is ext2. (after several seconds' pause)

I'm only getting the grub rescue> prompt, not the grub> prompt.


I expected that "ls" would be the same in normal and rescue mode. 
Obviously I was wrong.


If the GRUB version on the internal disk is the same, you could boot 
from it while the USB disk is connected, and if the BIOS exposes the USB 
disk even though it is not the boot disk (some BIOS do, others don't), 
then you could use the "ls" command in normal mode to check (hd1) and 
(hd1,1).


Also, if you want to check the partition table on the USB disk more 
thoroughly, you can print it (p) in expert mode (x) with fdisk to 
display both LBA and CHS parameters. CHS parameters cannot be used 
beyond 8 GiB and should contain 1023/254/63.

Re: Carte WiFi PCI Belkin F5D7000 : RÉSOLU (mais 2 icônes)

[JF Straeten]

Re,

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 05:23:11PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

[...]
> J'ai également ces 3 processus :
> # ps ax|grep -i wicd
> 1080 ? S 0:35 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/daemon/wicd-daemon.py
> 1123 ? S 0:14 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/daemon/monitor.py
> 1416 ? Sl  0:08 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py
> 
> Quel serait l'intrus qui ne devrait pas créer un processus parmi ces
> trois ?

Apparemment, c'est normal. Je craignais un second wicd-client.py, mais
non.

Quoique, le tien n'a pas le switch "--tray". Mais je ne sais pas si
c'est significatif de quelque chose ?

Pas mieux pour l'instant :-/

A+

-- 

JFS.

Re: Carte WiFi PCI Belkin F5D7000 : RÉSOLU (mais 2 icônes)

[andre_debian]

On Saturday 06 May 2017 15:37:06 JF Straeten wrote:
> Je me demande si ce n'est pas deux choses différentes : le démon
> proprement dit et un widget dans le system tray qui notifie son
> lancement et qui donne accès à la GUI...
> Que donne un : ps ax|grep -i wicd
> Ici, j'ai trois processus :
> 1046 ? S 16:49 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/daemon/wicd-daemon.py
> 1076 ? S 5:17 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/daemon/monitor.py
> 1934 ? Sl 5:27 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py --tray
> T'aurais pas le 3eme 2x ?

J'ai également ces 3 processus :
# ps ax|grep -i wicd
1080 ? S 0:35 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/daemon/wicd-daemon.py
1123 ? S 0:14 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/daemon/monitor.py
1416 ? Sl  0:08 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py

Quel serait l'intrus qui ne devrait pas créer un processus parmi ces trois ?

Merci,

André

Re: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'

[Joe]

On Sat, 6 May 2017 16:07:25 +0200
Pascal Hambourg  wrote:

> Le 06/05/2017 à 10:35, Joe a écrit :
> > Pascal Hambourg  wrote:  
> >>
> >> You can check the sizes of the disk and the partition as viewed by
> >> GRUB with the following commands :
> >>
> >> ls (hd0)
> >> ls (hd0,1)  
> >
> > The netbook is about seven years old, but the laptop is a
> > two-year-old HP running Windows 8. Its hard drive is 500GB of which
> > the Win partition is about 400GB.
> >
> > The USB hard drive is physically 120GB, with the single Linux
> > partition being physically the first at just over 10GB.  
> (...)
> > I don't think it is a BIOS issue  
> 
> Indeed with such disk and partition sizes, it is unlikely that the
> issue is caused by a BIOS limitation, even on a 7-year old PC.
> 
> However, the ls command I suggested may still be useful to check
> GRUB's idea of the sizes.
> 

ls (hd0)
(hd0): Filesystem is unknown.

ls (hd0,1)
(hd0,1): Filesystem is ext2. (after several seconds' pause)

I'm only getting the grub rescue> prompt, not the grub> prompt. Most of
grub2 isn't there yet. I believe that 'insmod normal' would bring the
full grub2 environment, but that command is hitting the illegal access
barrier.

-- 
Joe

Re: Carte WiFi PCI Belkin F5D7000 : RÉSOLU (mais 2 icônes)

[roger gm]

Le Sat, 6 May 2017 15:13:36 +0200,
andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

> On Saturday 06 May 2017 15:06:28 JF Straeten wrote:
> > On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 02:59:21PM +0200,
> > andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
> > > > Tu n'aurais pas deux zones de notification sur la barre des
> > > > tâches ? (Qui montreraient donc deux fois le même contenu) ?
> > > Il n'y a qu'une seule zone pour les icônes à droite.
> > > Wicd est la seule icône qui s'y affichent deux fois au boot.
> 
> > Alors, elle serait appelée 2x qque part ? C'est quoi comme
> > bureau/WM ?
> 
> Bureau : TDE-trinity (kde-3 amélioré)
> 
> C'est possible que Wicd soit lancé deux fois, mais ou ?
> 
> Il a son propre daemon lancé dans rc2.d,
> et "/etc/default/wicd" :  START_DAEMON=yes
> Si je mets "no", toujours 2 icônes et ça fout le bordel.
> 
> /etc/network/interfaces :
> auto wlan0
> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
> wpa-ssid 
> wpa-psk 
> 
> Merci,
> 
> André
> 

Bonjour!

Je suis peut-être dans l'erreur mais il me semble que lorsqu'on utilise
wicd il ne faut pas utiliser de configuration personnalisée
de /etc/network/interfaces. Ce qui pourrait expliquer le doublon.
Me confirmer svp

Roger

Re: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 06/05/2017 à 10:35, Joe a écrit :

Pascal Hambourg  wrote:


You can check the sizes of the disk and the partition as viewed by
GRUB with the following commands :

ls (hd0)
ls (hd0,1)


The netbook is about seven years old, but the laptop is a two-year-old
HP running Windows 8. Its hard drive is 500GB of which the Win partition
is about 400GB.

The USB hard drive is physically 120GB, with the single Linux partition
being physically the first at just over 10GB.

(...)

I don't think it is a BIOS issue


Indeed with such disk and partition sizes, it is unlikely that the issue 
is caused by a BIOS limitation, even on a 7-year old PC.


However, the ls command I suggested may still be useful to check GRUB's 
idea of the sizes.

Re: Live Fille System Backup

[tomas]

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On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 06:42:46AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 07:52:25AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 01:35:35PM -0700, Sergei G wrote:
> > > it would be naive at best to think that busy files [...]
> > 
> > What is a "busy" file?
> 
> Open for writing.

Hm. That just means that the file will change after being copied.
In itself not a problem (Note that there are other, stronger concepts
of busy. An open file for write can be opened for read/write by
another process, can be deleted, yadda, yadda. It can be definitely
copied. Less civilised operating systems lock files when opened for
write, but not the Unixoids).

cheers
- -- tomás
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Re: Carte WiFi PCI Belkin F5D7000 : RÉSOLU (mais 2 icônes)

[JF Straeten]

Re,

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 03:13:36PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

[...]
> Bureau : TDE-trinity (kde-3 amélioré)
> 
> C'est possible que Wicd soit lancé deux fois, mais ou ?

Je me demande si ce n'est pas deux choses différentes : le démon
proprement dit et un widget dans le system tray qui notifie son
lancement et qui donne accès à la GUI...

Que donne un :

ps ax|grep -i wicd

(sous le compte root) ?


Ici, j'ai trois processus :

1046 ?S 16:49 /usr/bin/python -O 
/usr/share/wicd/daemon/wicd-daemon.py
1076 ?S  5:17 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/daemon/monitor.py
1934 ?Sl 5:27 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/share/wicd/gtk/wicd-client.py 
--tray

T'aurais pas le 3eme 2x ?



> Il a son propre daemon lancé dans rc2.d,
> et "/etc/default/wicd" :  START_DAEMON=yes
> Si je mets "no", toujours 2 icônes et ça fout le bordel.

Ça me paraît cohérent avec ce qui précède : ça essaierait de notifier
2x la présence d'un truc qui ne tourne pas...

Hih,


-- 

JFS.

Re: Carte WiFi PCI Belkin F5D7000 : RÉSOLU (mais 2 icônes)

[andre_debian]

On Saturday 06 May 2017 15:06:28 JF Straeten wrote:
> On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 02:59:21PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
> > > Tu n'aurais pas deux zones de notification sur la barre des
> > > tâches ? (Qui montreraient donc deux fois le même contenu) ?
> > Il n'y a qu'une seule zone pour les icônes à droite.
> > Wicd est la seule icône qui s'y affichent deux fois au boot.

> Alors, elle serait appelée 2x qque part ? C'est quoi comme bureau/WM ?

Bureau : TDE-trinity (kde-3 amélioré)

C'est possible que Wicd soit lancé deux fois, mais ou ?

Il a son propre daemon lancé dans rc2.d,
et "/etc/default/wicd" :  START_DAEMON=yes
Si je mets "no", toujours 2 icônes et ça fout le bordel.

/etc/network/interfaces :
auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wpa-ssid 
wpa-psk 

Merci,

André

Re: Carte WiFi PCI Belkin F5D7000 : RÉSOLU (mais 2 icônes)

[JF Straeten]

Re,

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 02:59:21PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

[...]
> > Tu n'aurais pas deux zones de notification sur la barre des
> > tâches ? (Qui montreraient donc deux fois le même contenu) ?
> 
> Il n'y a qu'une seule zone pour les icônes à droite.
> 
> Wicd est la seule icône qui s'y affichent deux fois au boot.

Alors, elle serait appelée 2x qque part ? C'est quoi comme bureau/WM ?

A+

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JFS.

Re: Carte WiFi PCI Belkin F5D7000 : RÉSOLU (mais 2 icônes)

[andre_debian]

On Saturday 06 May 2017 14:47:00 JF Straeten wrote:
> > Au boot du bureau, la barre des tâches affichent 2 icônes Wicd, et à
> > l'intérieur, mes deux SSID Wifi y sont affichés. (2 strictement
> > identiques sauf le canal 5 et 6).

> Tu n'aurais pas deux zones de notification sur la barre des tâches ?
> (Qui montreraient donc deux fois le même contenu) ?

Il n'y a qu'une seule zone pour les icônes à droite.

Wicd est la seule icône qui s'y affichent deux fois au boot.

André

Re: Carte WiFi PCI Belkin F5D7000 : RÉSOLU

[JF Straeten]

LO,

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 02:39:39PM +0200, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

[...]
> Au boot du bureau, la barre des tâches affichent 2 icônes Wicd, et à
> l'intérieur, mes deux SSID Wifi y sont affichés. (2 strictement
> identiques sauf le canal 5 et 6).

Tu n'aurais pas deux zones de notification sur la barre des tâches ?
(Qui montreraient donc deux fois le même contenu) ?

Hih,

-- 

JFS.

Re: Carte WiFi PCI Belkin F5D7000 : RÉSOLU

[andre_debian]

On Saturday 06 May 2017 14:24:23 maderios wrote:
> On 05/06/2017 11:44 AM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:
> > C'est presque trop résolu :-)
> > car Wicd est lancé deux fois à droite dans la barre des tâches ,
> > et affiche 2 fois le même SSID de connexion WiFi.
> > Ce phénomène est le même sur mon PC portable.

> Cela n'a rien à voir avec wicd, c'est ton environnement de bureau qui 
> est en cause.
> Tu as certainement fait un double clic sur l'icône wicd...

Pas du tout, je ne clique sur aucune icône ni une fois, ni deux.

Au boot du bureau, la barre des tâches affichent 2 icônes Wicd,
et à l'intérieur, mes deux SSID Wifi y sont affichés.
(2 strictement identiques sauf le canal 5 et 6).

André

Re: Carte WiFi PCI Belkin F5D7000 : RÉSOLU

[maderios]

On 05/06/2017 11:44 AM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

On Wednesday 03 May 2017 10:01:53 Frédéric MASSOT wrote:

Le 02/05/2017 à 18:28, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2500



Donc il s'agit du pilote rt2500pci.
Si tu veux avoir plus d'info sur le pilote, tu peux utiliser la commande
modinfo :


Merci.

C'est presque trop résolu :-)

car Wicd est lancé deux fois à droite dans la barre des tâches ,
et affiche 2 fois le même SSID de connexion WiFi.

Ce phénomène est le même sur mon PC portable.


Bonjour
Cela n'a rien à voir avec wicd, c'est ton environnement de bureau qui 
est en cause.

Tu as certainement fait un double clic sur l'icône wicd...


--
Maderios

Re: Live Fille System Backup

[Dan Ritter]

On Sat, May 06, 2017 at 07:52:25AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, May 05, 2017 at 01:35:35PM -0700, Sergei G wrote:
> > it would be naive at best to think that busy files [...]
> 
> What is a "busy" file?

Open for writing.

-dsr-

Re: Carte WiFi PCI Belkin F5D7000 : RÉSOLU

[andre_debian]

On Wednesday 03 May 2017 10:01:53 Frédéric MASSOT wrote:
> Le 02/05/2017 à 18:28, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
> > Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2500

> Donc il s'agit du pilote rt2500pci.
> Si tu veux avoir plus d'info sur le pilote, tu peux utiliser la commande
> modinfo :

Merci.

C'est presque trop résolu :-)

car Wicd est lancé deux fois à droite dans la barre des tâches ,
et affiche 2 fois le même SSID de connexion WiFi.

Ce phénomène est le même sur mon PC portable.

Comment avoir à un unique seul affichage ?

Bonne journée,

André

Re: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'

[Joe]

On Sat, 6 May 2017 09:49:49 +0200
Pascal Hambourg  wrote:

> Le 05/05/2017 à 23:39, Joe a écrit :
> >
> > lo and behold, I'm dropped to a grub rescue> prompt after the
> > message in the subject line...
> >
> > I can list the (hd0,1)/boot/ directory, but insmod normal gives the
> > illegal access message again.
> >
> > The Net mostly reckons this is due to using too large a drive on an
> > old BIOS, but since this very drive has booted on this very
> > computer many dozens of times, without change in the partition
> > structure, that is not the case here.  
> 
> It can still be the case, but you may have been lucky until now if
> GRUB files were written into the area accessible through the BIOS.
> Then there was an upgrade which wrote the files outside this area.
> 
> You can check the sizes of the disk and the partition as viewed by
> GRUB with the following commands :
> 
> ls (hd0)
> ls (hd0,1)
> 

The netbook is about seven years old, but the laptop is a two-year-old
HP running Windows 8. Its hard drive is 500GB of which the Win partition
is about 400GB.

The USB hard drive is physically 120GB, with the single Linux partition
being physically the first at just over 10GB. It is an i386 installation
with all modules, specifically in order to boot on practically
anything, and it does. The only computer I own which does not boot it
is, not surprisingly, my ARM-based Raspberry Pi. At least, until
yesterday's upgrade.

I don't think it is a BIOS issue, the laptop and netbook architectures
being utterly different, and the laptop being fairly new. Somehow, grub2
is reading a wildly inaccurate number from somewhere outside its own
boot code, or possibly, the grub2 update and installation software has
an obscure calculation bug.

-- 
Joe

Re: Booting a CF or SD card from an internal card reader

[Leandro Noferini]

Brian  writes:


[...]

>> My reader appears this way:
>> 
>> 
>> ~ $ lsusb
>> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 058f:9540 Alcor Micro Corp. AU9540 Smartcard Reader
>> 
>
> The Lenovo X240 has a Smart Card reader and a 4-in-1 card reader (MMC,
> SD, SDHC, SDXC). The Smart Card reader is on the USB bus. I have never
> used one but it appears to have something to do with identity cards.
> GRUB does not detect it with nativedisk so booting from it is not
> possible.

Yes, sorry, I made a mistake. Never write messages during working hours.

:-(

Sorry again, I will follow the thread.

[...]


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Re: What On Earth Did I do?

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 06/05/2017 à 05:59, Felix Miata a écrit :


The primary purpose of a boot flag is to be found by
DOS/Windows/legacy-compatible MBR code, which can only make use of it if found
on a primary partition that also contains a bootable filesystem or other
bootloader code in the partition's PBR.

A secondary purpose of a boot flag is for legacy operating systems to determine
which primary partition is to be assigned a drive letter.


Another purpose of a boot flag is to allow booting with broken BIOS 
which require that the boot disk has a partition table which defines a 
primary partition with the boot flag.

Re: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 05/05/2017 à 23:39, Joe a écrit :


lo and behold, I'm dropped to a grub rescue> prompt after the message
in the subject line...

I can list the (hd0,1)/boot/ directory, but insmod normal gives the
illegal access message again.

The Net mostly reckons this is due to using too large a drive on an old
BIOS, but since this very drive has booted on this very computer many
dozens of times, without change in the partition structure, that is not
the case here.


It can still be the case, but you may have been lucky until now if GRUB 
files were written into the area accessible through the BIOS. Then there 
was an upgrade which wrote the files outside this area.


You can check the sizes of the disk and the partition as viewed by GRUB 
with the following commands :


ls (hd0)
ls (hd0,1)

Re: What On Earth Did I do?

[Felix Miata]

Martin McCormick composed on 2017-05-05 22:11 (UTC-0500):

> ...There was that sickening beep-beep
> one hears when the game is over before it starts...
David's reply to this a short time ago reminded me I have, and had, lots of Dell
Optiplex models. Still working as of last boot attempts I have 110, 110, 150,
200, 260, 260, 270, 270, 270, 280, 280, 280, 620, 620, 620, 745, 760 & 780. It
also reminded me that a Dell branding sticker on a RAM stick is no guarantee of
unlimited useful life. More times than I can count, making the beep stop has
taken no more effort than reseating the RAM, but sometimes in spite of what
Memtest reports, RAM replacement is the only lasting solution to the beeping.

IOW, if it happens again, try reseating the RAM and/or swapping its slots and/or
fewer installed sticks. If it doesn't help, try other sticks before blaming
other causes. The beeping observed isn't always listed in the diagnostic chart
for a particular model.
-- 
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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