Re: name for wireless interface

[Kushal Kumaran]

pe...@easthope.ca writes:

> A TL-WN722N adapter connected to a stretch system gives these results.
>
> peter@imager:~$ lsusb | grep Ath
> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0cf3:9271 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11n
>
> root@imager:/home/peter# iwlist scan
> wlxa0f3c10a28f7  Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
>
> loInterface doesn't support scanning.
>
> eth0  Interface doesn't support scanning.
>
> What is the origin of the long name, wlxa0f3c10a28f7?
> Can a shorter name be assigned?
>

https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#new-interface-names

-- 
regards,
kushal

Re: name for wireless interface

[peter]

*   From: Fungi4All 
*   Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 18:38:05 -0400
> ... given up worrying about this madness.
>  ...
> You tell me what is wrong. 

Unfortunately I can't spare more time for work on it this week.  If 
we're lucky, it will be solved before the next release.

Thanks for replying.  Now I know that this problem is not so unusual.

Regards,... Peter E.
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Re: Network

[Cristian Mitchell]

El 12 de agosto de 2017, 13:29, Andrés Benevento
escribió:

> Hola gente, les comento algo que me pasa sobre Debian 8 montado en una
> virtualización con VirtualBox. Aclaro antes que el host donde tiene que
> correr es bastante lento.
>
> El punto es que muchas de las veces que arranca Debian no logra tener
> conectividad. Si lo reinicio varias veces termina conectando, aunque lo que
> siempre funciona es tirar los comandos: ifdown eth0 y luego ifup eth0.
>
> Les paso el contenido de interfaces:
>
> auto lo
> iface lo inet loopback
>
> allow-hotplug eth0
> auto eth0
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 10.10.10.12
> netmask 255.255.255.0
> network 10.10.10.0
> gateway 10.10.10.1
>
> Algunas sugerencia de qué podría estar sucediendo? Desde ya muchas gracias.
> *Andrés Benevento*
>
> --
>
>
que método usas entre el host y las virtuales
bridge ruteo etc.

por que el problema que estas teniendo viene por ese lado

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Re: Network

[Felix Perez]

El 12 de agosto de 2017, 17:59, Andrés Benevento
 escribió:
> Felix si lo he tenido en cuenta. La IP fija está fuera del rango DHCP.
> Gracias!
>

Y has "jugado" con las opciones de "conectado a:" en adaptador de red?

> Atte.
> Andrés Benevento
>
> 
>
> El 12/8/2017 a las 6:56 p. m., Felix Perez escribió:
>
> El 12 de agosto de 2017, 16:57, Andrés Benevento
>  escribió:
>
> Edwin gracias por tu respuesta. Pensé en dejarle la asignación dinámica por
> DHCP pero lo ideal sería que tenga IP fija.
>
> Ojo con que que el host tenga ip por dhcp y la ip estática entre en
> conflicto durante la asignación puede que en algún momento intenten
> tener la misma IP
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> El 12/8/2017 a las 5:55 p. m., Edwin Caldon escribió:
>
>
> El 12 ago. 2017 11:29 AM, "Andrés Benevento" 
> escribió
>
> El punto es que muchas de las veces que arranca Debian no logra tener
> conectividad. Si lo reinicio varias veces termina conectando, aunque lo que
> siempre funciona es tirar los comandos: ifdown eth0 y luego ifup eth0.
>
>
> Y si la interface de red eth0 la dejas como dhcp no static.
>
> Sucede muchas veces que se inicia la máquina virtual, pero uno no se da
> cuenta si el PC físico está conectado por inhalambrica o cableada, y
> entonces toca subir la interface en el OS virtualizado de forma manual.
>
> Saludos.
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: name for wireless interface

[Fungi4All]

> From: pe...@easthope.ca
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> pe...@easthope.ca
>
> A TL-WN722N adapter connected to a stretch system gives these results.
>
> peter@imager:~$ lsusb | grep Ath
> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0cf3:9271 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11n
>
> root@imager:/home/peter# iwlist scan
> wlxa0f3c10a28f7 Interface doesn"t support scanning : Network is down
>
> lo Interface doesn"t support scanning.
>
> eth0 Interface doesn"t support scanning.
>
> What is the origin of the long name, wlxa0f3c10a28f7?
> Can a shorter name be assigned?

I can not help much and I have given up worrying about this madness.
I have two debian installations, one has been on for years.  The one is
testing the other unstable and previously have never had problems with
either one.  Lately neither one has been able to maintain a wifi connection
for long and takes 2-3' to boot up.  I took J.Johnson's recommendation
to play around with ifconfig -a and ifconfig wlan0 up from console.
The first time I run it the interface was listed as wlan0
The second run it became wlan0mon
The third it became wlan0monmon

I barely get enough time to run an update/upgrade on both installation
and then it is down hill from there.

NOW

I have 4 more installations on the same machine, as I keep debian for
sentimental reasons only.  None of the four different installations have
had ANY connection problems, same machine, same wifi device, same
connection.  The two are devuan-based the other two are Arch based.
NONE have systemd on them, only Debian does.

You tell me what is wrong.  Setup is about the same, wicd is on all of them.

Re: thunderbird user interface doesn't draw/update properly after a hardware upgrade

[Gary Dale]

On 12/08/17 05:28 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2017-08-12 16:07 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:


On 12/08/17 01:00 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2017-08-12 12:28 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:


I'm running Thunderbird on a Debian/Buster system but my profile is
stored on a Debian/Stretch server. I've been doing it this way for
years.

When I brought my systems back up yesterday, everything seems OK (in
fact noticeably faster than before - including accessing files on my
network shares). However Thunderbird is almost unusable.

When I start Thunderbird, even in safe mode, it launches OK but the
panels don't draw themselves.

That'shttps://bugs.debian.org/871629.  Remedy: upgrade thunderbird to
1:52.2.1-5 from sid or downgrade to 1:52.2.1-4.

Cheers,
 Sven


That's not doable, it appears. The same version that is in Buster is
also in Sid

No, although packages.debian.org is outdated.


There's an earlier
version in Stretch but it depends on libhunspell v1.4 and v1.6 is
installed. Removing libhunspell has a lot of consequences.

Pardon me: aren't libhunspell-1.4-0 and libhunspell-1.6-0 coinstallable?

Cheers,
Sven


Thanks. You're right. The package is in sid and it did fix the problem.

I would have thought that they'd do a periodic automated run against the 
repositories to generate the packages.debian pages. Do they actually 
keep them updated manually?

name for wireless interface

[peter]

A TL-WN722N adapter connected to a stretch system gives these results.

peter@imager:~$ lsusb | grep Ath
Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0cf3:9271 Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11n

root@imager:/home/peter# iwlist scan
wlxa0f3c10a28f7  Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down

loInterface doesn't support scanning.

eth0  Interface doesn't support scanning.

What is the origin of the long name, wlxa0f3c10a28f7?
Can a shorter name be assigned?

Thanks,   ... Peter E.


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Re: Network

[Andrés Benevento]

Felix si lo he tenido en cuenta. La IP fija está fuera del rango DHCP. 
Gracias!


Atte.
*Andrés Benevento*



El 12/8/2017 a las 6:56 p. m., Felix Perez escribió:

El 12 de agosto de 2017, 16:57, Andrés Benevento
 escribió:

Edwin gracias por tu respuesta. Pensé en dejarle la asignación dinámica por
DHCP pero lo ideal sería que tenga IP fija.


Ojo con que que el host tenga ip por dhcp y la ip estática entre en
conflicto durante la asignación puede que en algún momento intenten
tener la misma IP






El 12/8/2017 a las 5:55 p. m., Edwin Caldon escribió:


El 12 ago. 2017 11:29 AM, "Andrés Benevento" 
escribió

El punto es que muchas de las veces que arranca Debian no logra tener
conectividad. Si lo reinicio varias veces termina conectando, aunque lo que
siempre funciona es tirar los comandos: ifdown eth0 y luego ifup eth0.


Y si la interface de red eth0 la dejas como dhcp no static.

Sucede muchas veces que se inicia la máquina virtual, pero uno no se da
cuenta si el PC físico está conectado por inhalambrica o cableada, y
entonces toca subir la interface en el OS virtualizado de forma manual.

Saludos.

Re: Network

[Felix Perez]

El 12 de agosto de 2017, 16:57, Andrés Benevento
 escribió:
> Edwin gracias por tu respuesta. Pensé en dejarle la asignación dinámica por
> DHCP pero lo ideal sería que tenga IP fija.
>

Ojo con que que el host tenga ip por dhcp y la ip estática entre en
conflicto durante la asignación puede que en algún momento intenten
tener la misma IP





>
> El 12/8/2017 a las 5:55 p. m., Edwin Caldon escribió:
>
>
> El 12 ago. 2017 11:29 AM, "Andrés Benevento" 
> escribió
>
> El punto es que muchas de las veces que arranca Debian no logra tener
> conectividad. Si lo reinicio varias veces termina conectando, aunque lo que
> siempre funciona es tirar los comandos: ifdown eth0 y luego ifup eth0.
>
>
> Y si la interface de red eth0 la dejas como dhcp no static.
>
> Sucede muchas veces que se inicia la máquina virtual, pero uno no se da
> cuenta si el PC físico está conectado por inhalambrica o cableada, y
> entonces toca subir la interface en el OS virtualizado de forma manual.
>
> Saludos.
>
>



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Re: thunderbird user interface doesn't draw/update properly after a hardware upgrade

[Sven Joachim]

On 2017-08-12 16:07 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:

> On 12/08/17 01:00 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2017-08-12 12:28 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
>>
>>> I'm running Thunderbird on a Debian/Buster system but my profile is
>>> stored on a Debian/Stretch server. I've been doing it this way for
>>> years.
>>>
>>> When I brought my systems back up yesterday, everything seems OK (in
>>> fact noticeably faster than before - including accessing files on my
>>> network shares). However Thunderbird is almost unusable.
>>>
>>> When I start Thunderbird, even in safe mode, it launches OK but the
>>> panels don't draw themselves.
>> That'shttps://bugs.debian.org/871629.  Remedy: upgrade thunderbird to
>> 1:52.2.1-5 from sid or downgrade to 1:52.2.1-4.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sven
>>
> That's not doable, it appears. The same version that is in Buster is
> also in Sid

No, although packages.debian.org is outdated.

> There's an earlier
> version in Stretch but it depends on libhunspell v1.4 and v1.6 is
> installed. Removing libhunspell has a lot of consequences.

Pardon me: aren't libhunspell-1.4-0 and libhunspell-1.6-0 coinstallable?

Cheers,
   Sven

Re: Network

[Andrés Benevento]

Edwin gracias por tu respuesta. Pensé en dejarle la asignación dinámica 
por DHCP pero lo ideal sería que tenga IP fija.


Atte.
*Andrés Benevento*



El 12/8/2017 a las 5:55 p. m., Edwin Caldon escribió:


El 12 ago. 2017 11:29 AM, "Andrés Benevento" > escribió


El punto es que muchas de las veces que arranca Debian no logra
tener conectividad. Si lo reinicio varias veces termina
conectando, aunque lo que siempre funciona es tirar los comandos:
ifdown eth0 y luego ifup eth0.


Y si la interface de red eth0 la dejas como dhcp no static.

Sucede muchas veces que se inicia la máquina virtual, pero uno no se 
da cuenta si el PC físico está conectado por inhalambrica o cableada, 
y entonces toca subir la interface en el OS virtualizado de forma manual.


Saludos.

Re: Network

[Edwin Caldon]

El 12 ago. 2017 11:29 AM, "Andrés Benevento" 
escribió

El punto es que muchas de las veces que arranca Debian no logra tener
conectividad. Si lo reinicio varias veces termina conectando, aunque lo que
siempre funciona es tirar los comandos: ifdown eth0 y luego ifup eth0.


Y si la interface de red eth0 la dejas como dhcp no static.

Sucede muchas veces que se inicia la máquina virtual, pero uno no se da
cuenta si el PC físico está conectado por inhalambrica o cableada, y
entonces toca subir la interface en el OS virtualizado de forma manual.

Saludos.

Re: How to change default umask in Stretch?

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: > Note that the ideal implementation would 
be to inherit the umask [...] Jonathan de Boyne Pollard: > Actually, the 
ideal implementation from the GNOME point of view would be for > these 
programs to pass the umask from the client process to the server, just > 
like they pass open file handles, the working directory, environment > 
variables (including DISPLAY), and the arguments vector. > > 
* https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-terminal/blob/52f32f962a5ed34f8c31042f2f8276dc1710cc99/src/terminal.c#L317 
> 
* https://github.com/GNOME/glib/blob/b51a0e7c63313ecfc0c6bbb9f2a8d99f193e51ea/gio/gapplication.c#L923 
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: > You'd have to always indirectly start an 
intermediate "gnome launcher" > thing (instead of the real program) that 
sets up the environment, then > exec the real program for that to work. 
No, that would not be necessary at all. Think about how GNOME Terminal 
and GNOME Editor work. As I said: These are already passing a whole 
bunch of process state from the client to the server, in order to 
preserve things like the apparent semantics of GNOME Terminal windows 
"inheriting" the working directories of the invoking clients, when in 
reality there is no inheritance from those client processes going on at 
all. This would be just one more such item of process state.

Re: thunderbird user interface doesn't draw/update properly after a hardware upgrade

[Gary Dale]

On 12/08/17 01:00 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2017-08-12 12:28 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:


I'm running Thunderbird on a Debian/Buster system but my profile is
stored on a Debian/Stretch server. I've been doing it this way for
years.

When I brought my systems back up yesterday, everything seems OK (in
fact noticeably faster than before - including accessing files on my
network shares). However Thunderbird is almost unusable.

When I start Thunderbird, even in safe mode, it launches OK but the
panels don't draw themselves.

That'shttps://bugs.debian.org/871629.  Remedy: upgrade thunderbird to
1:52.2.1-5 from sid or downgrade to 1:52.2.1-4.

Cheers,
Sven

That's not doable, it appears. The same version that is in Buster is 
also in Sid and there's nothing in Experimental. There's an earlier 
version in Stretch but it depends on libhunspell v1.4 and v1.6 is 
installed. Removing libhunspell has a lot of consequences.

Re: Help with USB audio card

[Rodolfo Medina]

Curt  writes:

> On 2017-08-11, Rodolfo Medina  wrote:

>>> I did.  Besides, the USB card does not even work with headphones: when
>>> headphones are plugged into it, no sound is heard from them.
>>
>>
>> I had the USB work with headphones doing:
>>
>>  $ mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=2.0 
>
>> Can this help to solve also the recording problem...?  I get no sound
>> recorded doing:
>
> The wild goose is getting further and further away.
>
> It's strange to record to the same device number you listened to above, but
> who knows?

$ arecord -l
 List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices 
card 1: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: ALC662 rev3 Analog [ALC662 rev3 
Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 2: ALC662 rev3 Alt Analog [ALC662 
rev3 Alt Analog]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 2: Device [USB PnP Sound Device], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0


> There's only one input device on the dongle. Have you tried recording to
> the laptop's mic with the sox command below? Does that work? Is your
> microphone busted? Are you singing loud enough (from the diaphragm)?
>
>>  $ sox -t alsa hw:2,0 output.wav


Yes everything.  Voice is recorded fine if the microphone is plugged into the
`mic' entry of the PC, with the command `sox -t alsa default output.wav'.  So
it is not busted.  It's not a matter of loudness either...

> ffmpeg -f alsa -i hw:2 -t 30 out.wav
>
> Thirty seconds.

What's this for?  ffmpeg complains:

[alsa @ 0x562c7a3dbe40] cannot set channel count to 2 (Invalid argument)
hw:2: Input/output error


> I'd open pavucontrol, select your usb audio dongle's mic as your input
> device,

How?  I see a list of three input devices:

 Monitor of Built-in Audio Analog Stereo
 Built-in Audio Analog Stereo
 CM108 Audio Controller Analog Mono

How do I choose the one I want?  Each of them has a red button with a check in
it, but nothing changes if I click on them...

> start singing (after plugging in your microphone), and see if
> you can get that input level gauge to start hopping to the tune of your
> dulcet tenor arpeggios on the upper end of the Richter scale.

Well, no, wherever I click that level does not arise...

Thanks,

Rodolfo

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Jape Person]

On 08/12/2017 07:32 AM, Javier Barroso wrote:

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Jape Person  wrote:

On 08/11/2017 06:27 PM, Javier Barroso wrote:


Hello,

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Sven Hartge  wrote:


Sven Joachim  wrote:


On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote:




After this upgrade

thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)

Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?




Yes, see https://bugs.debian.org/871629.



Confirmation: Rebuilding 1:52.2.1-4 with gcc-6/g++-6 as the compiler
fixes the problem.



You can also download thunderbird and its addons from
http://snapshot.debian.org/package/icedove/1%3A52.2.1-4/, selecting
your architecture

See what packages have you installed from icedove them:

   aptitude search '?and(?source-package(icedove),?installed)'

Download to Download/icedove and install with apt install
./Download/icedove/*.deb

Regards




I was just getting frustrated enough to do the recompile. Ugh. I'm old, have
poor eyesight, and was not anxious to do that while recovering from
pneumonia.

I'll give it a shot.

Thank you much for the reminder. I used to love to do things the hard way,
but that's not my thing any more. Just spent today doing a system
installation and configuration for a system that lost a solid state drive.

JP


It is solved in sid now (maintainer rebuild it with gcc 6)

Regards



Better the maintainer than me!

;-)

I'm very lazy these days. Speaking of which, thank you again.

JP

Re: thunderbird user interface doesn't draw/update properly after a hardware upgrade

[Sven Joachim]

On 2017-08-12 12:28 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:

> I'm running Thunderbird on a Debian/Buster system but my profile is
> stored on a Debian/Stretch server. I've been doing it this way for
> years.
>
> When I brought my systems back up yesterday, everything seems OK (in
> fact noticeably faster than before - including accessing files on my
> network shares). However Thunderbird is almost unusable.
>
> When I start Thunderbird, even in safe mode, it launches OK but the
> panels don't draw themselves.

That's https://bugs.debian.org/871629.  Remedy: upgrade thunderbird to
1:52.2.1-5 from sid or downgrade to 1:52.2.1-4.

Cheers,
   Sven

Network

[Andrés Benevento]

Hola gente, les comento algo que me pasa sobre Debian 8 montado en una 
virtualización con VirtualBox. Aclaro antes que el host donde tiene que 
correr es bastante lento.


El punto es que muchas de las veces que arranca Debian no logra tener 
conectividad. Si lo reinicio varias veces termina conectando, aunque lo 
que siempre funciona es tirar los comandos: ifdown eth0 y luego ifup eth0.


Les paso el contenido de interfaces:

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

allow-hotplug eth0
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 10.10.10.12
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 10.10.10.0
gateway 10.10.10.1

Algunas sugerencia de qué podría estar sucediendo? Desde ya muchas gracias.

*Andrés Benevento*

thunderbird user interface doesn't draw/update properly after a hardware upgrade

[Gary Dale]

I'm running Thunderbird on a Debian/Buster system but my profile is 
stored on a Debian/Stretch server. I've been doing it this way for years.


I last accessed my e-mail two days ago before upgrading both my server 
and workstation's hardware (basically I got a new cpu/motherboard/memory 
for my workstation and put the old cpu/motherboard/memory in the server, 
replacing even older hardware). The video card is still the same. The 
old workstation had an FX-6100 processor with 16G DDR3 while the new one 
has a Ryzen 7 1700 with 16G DDR4. The server used to have a Phenom II 
940 with 8G DDR2 but now has the FX-6100, etc..


The disk drives on both systems are the originals - they stayed with 
their role.


When I brought my systems back up yesterday, everything seems OK (in 
fact noticeably faster than before - including accessing files on my 
network shares). However Thunderbird is almost unusable.


When I start Thunderbird, even in safe mode, it launches OK but the 
panels don't draw themselves. I can sometimes get things to draw by 
moving the mouse cursor over them. When I try to write or reply to an 
e-mail, I have to frequently minimize it then expand it again to refresh 
the panel so I can see what I've typed. Moving around in the various 
accounts and folders in Thunderbird is also difficult. The screen 
doesn't update when the elevator bars move or when I select a particular 
message.


So far as I can see, Thunderbird is the only program behaving weirdly. 
Everything else works great so far.


A person on a Mozilla support site suggested toggling hardware 
acceleration but that didn't do anything no matter how many time I tried.


Any ideas?

Re: what should I do if I want to adopt one orphaned package?

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 8/11/17, 慕 冬亮  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I want to adopt one package - Bochs [bochs: IA-32 PC
> emulator (package
> info)] which is orphaned since 2011
> days. And the current version in sid is 2.6-5.
>
> The official website shows that the latest version of Bochs is 2.6.9.
> And the history for bochs is as follows:

< snipped to directly target one point >

> What should I do and which document should I read in advance?
>
> I have been using Debian for three years. I have some knowledge about
> Debian package development. I only have a little experience in debian
> software packaging.
>
> Besides, I have a problem in subscribing debian-devel mailing list with
> current email. I confirmed the email, but with no any response.


Have you checked out Debian-Mentors yet? These very kinds of questions
are *exactly* what they do over there. Very friendly, supportive group
overall.

One person, a mentor, recently explicitly stated they'd rather see
people mess up doing things they don't know and then have to ask
questions on that list. That's because the alternative would be where
people might not participate, might not help established developers at
all.

For some reason that caused me to wonder if the Debian-Devel list was
maybe a somewhat closed list that was only for experienced developers.
Wouldn't make sense in an open environment, but still I wondered. I do
see a "This list is not moderated; posting is allowed by anyone" kind
of air there:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/

BUT I also do see their description which is "Discussion about
technical development topics". If you click on just the latest month's
worth of archived conversations, it *is* higher end, "technical"
questions there so beginner developer questions would not go over
well. :)

That makes Debian-Mentors sound like a decent alternative to me. :)

https://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/

You could try subscribing to that Debian-Mentors list and see if you
still have trouble. If you do still have trouble, down at the bottom
of the pages is this email address:

listmas...@lists.debian.org

Does anyone know if it's appropriate to use that email address if one
is having trouble with subscribing?

Or is there maybe a better one available that people having trouble should use?

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Re: When did Debian decide to enable PIE by default?

[tomas]

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On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 01:11:43PM +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 10/08/2017 à 10:00, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :

[...]

> >PIE is "position independent executable": it's about using PIC in the
> >Executable
> 
> Sorry, but I fail to see the difference.
> A shared library is executable, and the "code" in PIC is nothing but
> executable code, isn't it ?

The difference is in intention (both are ELF these days). /bin/ls is
an "executable", /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 is a lib (yes, this
one has an entry point, you can invoke it from the command line).

While enabling PIC for libs has been done for a long time (IIRC the
first motivator was limited address space under 32 bit) and always
seemed a Good Idea(TM), for the executables I think it's ASLR what
brought a motivation with it. But I might be wrong.

Cheers
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Re: Btrs vs ext4. Which one is more reliable?

[rhkramer]

On Friday, August 11, 2017 11:03:38 PM Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 07:04:09AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 09:46:09PM -0400, David Niklas wrote:
> > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:59:40 +
> > > Andy Smith  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Also, my use case is at home where the power can and *does* fail. I
> > > also find myself using the latest kernel and oftentimes an
> > > experimental driver for my AMD graphics card, hence my need for a
> > > *very* stable fs over sudden unmount.
> 
> Dan's broken quoting implies that I wrote the above, but I didn't.

The quoting might be broken (I'm not sure about that, and didn't go back to 
look), but, as I read it, it tells me that text was written by David Niklas.  
I think maybe other text written by you was just omitted, making it a little 
harder to interpret.

Re: Firefox-Esr version 52.3.0

[Pierre L.]

Salut,

Sinon tu peux tenter la version normale de Firefox ? Perso elle
fonctionne très bien sur ma Debian (pas la version ESR...).
Ca se met à jour tout seul tout pareil, etc...

Pour les messages d'erreurs, je laisse les connaisseurs t'aiguiller, là
ça ne me parle pas... rien trouvé sur le net comme le propose Maderios ?
On aperçoit quand même une histoire de "plugin-container"...?
Mais Firefox fonctionne quand même ? Si oui c'est peut-être pas si grave
! :p
Peut-être tenter de créer un nouveau profil tout beau tout neuf, et tout
régler aux petits oignons comme tu aimes bien ? (certes ça fait chi**,
mais bon, ça permettra peut-être de retrouver ton Firefox à ta sauce ?)




Le 11/08/2017 à 12:12, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> J'ai beau désactivé plugins et modules, j'ai toujours ces messages d'erreur :
>
> (/home/andre/firefox-esr/plugin-container:3801): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: 
> g_object_ref: assertion 'object->ref_count > 0' failed
>
> Merci,
>
> andré




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Re: Help with USB audio card

[Curt]

On 2017-08-11, Rodolfo Medina  wrote:
>>>
>>> This makes no sense BTW. Unmuted everything? You're *recording*, so what
>>> you want to do in alsamixer is to select your external usb audio card
>>> (F6), display its capture device(s) (F5), and toggle on the input
>>> channel of your choice (space bar).
>>>
>>> But I assume you have arrived at this crucial result in one way or another.
>>
>>
>> I did.  Besides, the USB card does not even work with headphones: when
>> headphones are plugged into it, no sound is heard from them.
>
>
> I had the USB work with headphones doing:
>
>  $ mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=2.0 

> Can this help to solve also the recording problem...?  I get no sound recorded
> doing:

The wild goose is getting further and further away.

It's strange to record to the same device number you listened to above, but
who knows?

There's only one input device on the dongle. Have you tried recording to
the laptop's mic with the sox command below? Does that work? Is your
microphone busted? Are you singing loud enough (from the diaphragm)?

>  $ sox -t alsa hw:2,0 output.wav

ffmpeg -f alsa -i hw:2 -t 30 out.wav

Thirty seconds. 

I'd open pavucontrol, select your usb audio dongle's mic as your input
device, start singing (after plugging in your microphone), and see if
you can get that input level gauge to start hopping to the tune of your
dulcet tenor arpeggios on the upper end of the Richter scale.

> Rodolfo
>
>


-- 
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Hunter."
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Re: How to change default umask in Stretch?

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2017, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:
> > Note that the ideal implementation would be to inherit the umask [...]
> 
> Actually, the ideal implementation from the GNOME point of view would be for
> these programs to pass the umask from the client process to the server, just
> like they pass open file handles, the working directory, environment
> variables (including DISPLAY), and the arguments vector.

You'd have to always indirectly start an intermediate "gnome launcher"
thing (instead of the real program) that sets up the environment, then
exec the real program for that to work.

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Faille 0day dans les box SFR et Orange

[Thierry Bugier Pineau]

Bonjour,

Poir info, il y a un peu d'excitation sur le sujet ces derniers jours.

http://www.journaldugeek.com/2017/08/11/faille-securite-box-sfr-orange-wifi/

Si vous êtes concernés, désactivez complètement le WPS, puis changez votre clé 
wifi.


-- 
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brièveté.

Re: Thunderbird almost unusable after upgrade

[Javier Barroso]

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Jape Person  wrote:
> On 08/11/2017 06:27 PM, Javier Barroso wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Sven Hartge  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sven Joachim  wrote:

 On 2017-08-10 10:24 -0400, Jape Person wrote:
>>>
>>>
> After this upgrade
>
> thunderbird:amd64 (1:52.2.1-4, 1:52.2.1-4+b1)
>
> Thunderbird in Cinnamon DE is almost completely useless because
> portions of its windows / text / toolbars don't repaint until the
> window is resized. Is anyone else seeing this?
>>>
>>>
 Yes, see https://bugs.debian.org/871629.
>>>
>>>
>>> Confirmation: Rebuilding 1:52.2.1-4 with gcc-6/g++-6 as the compiler
>>> fixes the problem.
>>
>>
>> You can also download thunderbird and its addons from
>> http://snapshot.debian.org/package/icedove/1%3A52.2.1-4/, selecting
>> your architecture
>>
>> See what packages have you installed from icedove them:
>>
>>   aptitude search '?and(?source-package(icedove),?installed)'
>>
>> Download to Download/icedove and install with apt install
>> ./Download/icedove/*.deb
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>
> I was just getting frustrated enough to do the recompile. Ugh. I'm old, have
> poor eyesight, and was not anxious to do that while recovering from
> pneumonia.
>
> I'll give it a shot.
>
> Thank you much for the reminder. I used to love to do things the hard way,
> but that's not my thing any more. Just spent today doing a system
> installation and configuration for a system that lost a solid state drive.
>
> JP
>
It is solved in sid now (maintainer rebuild it with gcc 6)

Regards

Re: When did Debian decide to enable PIE by default?

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 10/08/2017 à 10:00, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :


On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 08:22:58PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:


Aha, another name for PIC, which I've only been writing code that uses it
for 32 years. Also known as PCR, for Program Counter Relative.  Such
code can be loaded into memory and executed without any patching.


Not exactly. PIC is "position independent code". Shared libraries have
been compiled like that for a long time since (especially under 32 bits)
you never knew where was a hole in memory to mmap the library in.

PIE is "position independent executable": it's about using PIC in the
Executable


Sorry, but I fail to see the difference.
A shared library is executable, and the "code" in PIC is nothing but 
executable code, isn't it ?

Re: How to change default umask in Stretch?

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh:


Note that the ideal implementation would be to inherit the umask [...]



Actually, the ideal implementation from the GNOME point of view would be 
for these programs to pass the umask from the client process to the 
server, just like they pass open file handles, the working directory, 
environment variables (including DISPLAY), and the arguments vector.


* 
https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-terminal/blob/52f32f962a5ed34f8c31042f2f8276dc1710cc99/src/terminal.c#L317


* 
https://github.com/GNOME/glib/blob/b51a0e7c63313ecfc0c6bbb9f2a8d99f193e51ea/gio/gapplication.c#L923

Re: How to change default umask in Stretch?

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

Greg Wooledge:


It's beginning to sound like GNOME applications aren't even launched 
by GNOME at all, but rather by systemd/dbus. Somehow.




GNOME Editor and other GIO applications work like how 16-bit Windows 
applications used to work.


GNOME Terminal goes yet farther and not even the first instance is the 
originally invoked process.  All instances, even the first, are 
"bus-activated".  Depending from whether there is a per-user instance of 
systemd or not, there may be a further level of indirection.


Of course, in the case where "bus activation" is configured to at least 
pass things over to some proper per-user service management, the place 
to set the ulimit for the likes of GNOME Terminal is in the per-user 
service definition for GNOME Terminal server.  With the nosh per-user 
service mangement, this would be the 
$HOME/.config/service-bundles/services/gnome-terminal-server/service/run 
program.  With systemd per-user service management this would be a 
$HOME/.config/systemd/gnome-terminal-server.service.d/ulimit.conf 
override for /usr/lib/systemd/user/gnome-terminal-server.service .


With nosh per-user service management, there is a 
$HOME/.config/service-bundles/services/gedit service, which one can 
start before attempting to run the first GNOME Editor instance; which 
would permit one to place ulimit and suchlike modifications in 
$HOME/.config/service-bundles/services/gedit/service/run .  Vanilla 
GNOME Editor does not attempt to plumb into systemd's per-user service 
management, as GNOME Terminal does; so there is no systemd equivalent here.


* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13056252

* https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/323700/5132

* https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/201900/

* 
http://jdebp.info./Softwares/nosh/avoid-dbus-bus-activation.html#InheritedLimits


* http://jdebp.info./Softwares/nosh/guide/per-user-dbus-demand-start.html

Re: usb flash drives / sd

[tomas]

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On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 06:58:47PM -0500, Doug wrote:
> 
> On 08/11/2017 05:11 PM, Dan Ritter wrote:

[SLC, MLC, cheap...]

> Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to usb flash drives.
> Do you mean these little chip gizmos that go into digital cameras?

No. Those are SD cards [1] (with some variations in the name, see the
reference. The USB sticks [2] (aka thumb drives, memory sticks, USB flash
drives etc.) all connect to an USB port.

The underlying storage technology is the same, the interfaces differ.

> (Hope I am not being a nuisance.)

Not at all!

cheers

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SD_Card
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_stick

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Re: Btrs vs ext4. Which one is more reliable?

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 03:03:38AM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 07:04:09AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 09:46:09PM -0400, David Niklas wrote:
> > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:59:40 +
> > > Andy Smith  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Also, my use case is at home where the power can and *does* fail. I also
> > > find myself using the latest kernel and oftentimes an experimental driver
> > > for my AMD graphics card, hence my need for a *very* stable fs over
> > > sudden unmount.
> 
> Dan's broken quoting implies that I wrote the above, but I didn't.

Ah yes, this reminds me of a thought of "maximizing rationality
whilst minimizing effort" which has finally percolated to the top of
my two brain cells:

When someone misquotes me, when is it useful or relevant to correct
the record?

A) When the misattributed quote could have an adverse consequence
on my internal life:
   - When I have an attachment to never being misattributed (bin
 there)?
   - perhaps I was involved in, or witnessed some less than wholesome
 rhetoric arising from misattribution, and want to protect myself
 from such possibility?
   - etc

B) When the misattributed quote could have an adverse consequence on
my external life:
   - Perhaps the quote could affect a potential employer/HR person
 assessing me as a candidate for a job?
   - The misattribution could be held against me in personal
 relationships?
   - Where I get credit for someone else's "positive" (yet still
 misattributed) quote - I experienced this once many years ago.
   - or perhaps other hypotheticals...


On these basis ("basii"? "bases"?) I have concluded for myself that
most misattribution has a lower overall/ personal energy cost, when I
ignore the misattribution. The only exception I make these days is
when others might give credit for something someone else actually
deserves the credit for. In all other situations, e.g. a potential
employer interviewer asking "so why the blip did you say this?!" -
would actually be to my long term favour ("welll... if you just look
a little closer, you might find I actually did not say that...").

Have a good one all,