Re: qemu/kvm spice console problem

[john doe]

On 12/28/2017 5:14 AM, Gary Dale wrote:

When I try to start a virtual machine, I get the error:

Error connecting to graphical console:
Error opening Spice console, SpiceClientGtk missing

on whichever VM I try to start.

The Virtual Machine Manager shows the VM is running but I can't connect. 
The system running the VMs is Debian/Stretch while my workstation is 
Debian/Buster. This worked until fairly recently (I don't start up the 
VMs too often, but I'm sure I did sometime in the last month). So far as 
I can tell, spice is running on both the host and client machines.


Any ideas on what's changed to cause this problem?



Do you have the "missing" package installed?
The error seems to be common when searching online.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=spice-client-gtk

--
John Doe

Re: installing ufraw on buster

[john doe]

On 12/27/2017 10:08 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote:

On Wednesday, 27 Dec 2017 at 18:02, john doe wrote:

[...]


You can try:
'apt search -t buster ufraw"'


Thanks but this gives me:

$ apt search -t buster ufraw
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done



In '/etc/apt/sources.list':

deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free

Where 'de' needs to be change to your country code.

Then run the following command without the single quotes:
'apt-get update && apt search -t buster ufraw'

Gives me:
"Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done
darktable/testing 2.2.5-2 amd64
  virtual lighttable and darkroom for photographers

gimp-ufraw/testing 0.22-2 amd64
  gimp importer for raw camera images

ufraw/testing 0.22-2 amd64
  standalone importer for raw camera images

ufraw-batch/testing 0.22-2 amd64
  batch importer for raw camera images"

--
John Doe

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

[Felix Miata]

Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-27 18:59 (UTC-0500):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> Is there more than one directory in /boot/efi/EFI/? If not, it's likely time 
>> for
>> you to explore using /etc/default/grub's GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR= option. I need to
>> (only one Debian, but 3 openSUSEs installed), but have been putting it off,
>> using Stretch's menu for all.

> There is only onedirectory in /boot/efi/EFI/ :

> root@BR914:/# ls -la /boot/efi/EFI
> total 12
> drwx-- 3 root root 4096 Dec  4 22:11 .
> drwx-- 3 root root 4096 Dec 31  1969 ..
> drwx-- 2 root root 4096 Dec  4 22:11 debian

> How would GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=help the timeout= problem? 

Indirectly, by having a POST-time (F12 menu) choice which installation's Grub to
use.
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Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

[Felix Miata]

Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-27 18:59 (UTC-0500):

> Felix Miata wrote:

>> Based on what I see and what you say, it seems you are modifying the timeout 
>> for
>> Stretch (/etc/default/grub on vol2), but actually booting Stretch from 
>> Jessie's
>> grub.cfg (/etc/default/grub on vol1), which remains configured to 3 seconds.

> That seems reasonable, but I've tried modifying the timeout after 
> booting each of the installations. The timeout remains immutable. It's 
> as if update-grub is not using what is in grub.d for timeout value. But 
> where does 3s come from?   
 There's nothing to do with timeout in /etc/grub.d/ anyone but packager
owner and/or upstream should be touching. If you can't control timeout
exclusively via /etc/default/grub and update-grub, then it must be time to ask
grub people via
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-grub or report a bug.
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Re: Experiences with BTRFS -- is it mature enough for enterprise use?

[Eero Volotinen]

Are you really using it in production?



Eero

28.12.2017 3.12 "deloptes"  kirjoitti:

> Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> > Since it doesn't look like I'll be using BTRFS for my application, I too
> > would appreciate hearing about experiences with ZFS as an alternative.
> > Unfortunately, the application we're using is only available for
> CentOS-6,
> > so we'll have to pressure the developer to release his CentOS-7 code, but
> > we've got a year to do it, so it's probably do-able.
>
> +1 for ZFS
>
>

Re: OT: AOL fees (Re: Youtube - newbie guidance)

[Ric Moore]

On 12/26/2017 11:28 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, December 26, 2017 12:35:16 PM Ric Moore wrote:



If you used it to any etent it was. I racked up several bills in the
hundreds, doing what we take for granted nowadays. Luckily I had a
moderator friend! Ric


Thanks!  I guess then I'm extra glad I never signed up for AOL!  (I used
various Bulletin Boards back then.)


I ran "The Home for Wayward computers" BBS with 8 incoming lines/modems 
that gave everyone command-line access to a Linux server. We ran ytalk 
for everyone to chat with and a Nightmare MudOS that everyone edited and 
built. Great times. And all of that on a 486-66. One of the biggest free 
BBS's on the east coast at the time. It's amazing what you can do with a 
little CPU using just text mode. Ric



--
My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
"There are two Great Sins in the world...
..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html

qemu/kvm spice console problem

[Gary Dale]

When I try to start a virtual machine, I get the error:

Error connecting to graphical console:
Error opening Spice console, SpiceClientGtk missing

on whichever VM I try to start.

The Virtual Machine Manager shows the VM is running but I can't connect. 
The system running the VMs is Debian/Stretch while my workstation is 
Debian/Buster. This worked until fairly recently (I don't start up the 
VMs too often, but I'm sure I did sometime in the last month). So far as 
I can tell, spice is running on both the host and client machines.


Any ideas on what's changed to cause this problem?

Re: Experiences with BTRFS -- is it mature enough for enterprise use?

[deloptes]

Rick Thomas wrote:

> Since it doesn't look like I'll be using BTRFS for my application, I too
> would appreciate hearing about experiences with ZFS as an alternative. 
> Unfortunately, the application we're using is only available for CentOS-6,
> so we'll have to pressure the developer to release his CentOS-7 code, but
> we've got a year to do it, so it's probably do-able.

+1 for ZFS

Re: Experiences with BTRFS -- is it mature enough for enterprise use?

[Rick Thomas]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Tom Dial wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/27/2017 04:57 AM, Matthew Crews wrote:
> > I wouldn't trust BTRFS in an enterprise environment, but I have good 
> > experience in a personal environment. Make sure you are using modern 
> > kernels though (I wouldn't use anything earlier than 4.4, and realistically 
> > I would use 4.9 or 4.13 or higher), and I definitely would not use RAID5/6.
> > 
> > For an enterprise environment, ZFS wins, hands down.
> 
> Based on prior experience with ZFS under Solaris and FreeBSD, I've been
> considering the possibility of using it with Debian now that it is
> pretty much a first class file system.
> 
> Reports of actual use, pointers, and gotchas, if any, would be useful to
> me and probably others.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Dial

Since it doesn't look like I'll be using BTRFS for my application, I too would 
appreciate hearing about experiences with ZFS as an alternative.  
Unfortunately, the application we're using is only available for CentOS-6, so 
we'll have to pressure the developer to release his CentOS-7 code, but we've 
got a year to do it, so it's probably do-able.

Thanks in advance!
Rick

Re: Debian 8 and Debian 9 Dual Boot

[Dan Norton]

On 12/23/2017 11:36 PM, Felix Miata wrote:


Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-23 19:15 (UTC-0500):


Felix Miata wrote:
The menu inside the box is:
Debian GNU/Linux
Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux
Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) (on /dev/mapper/vol1-root)
Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie) (on /dev/mapper/vol1-root)
Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid (on /dev/mapper/vol3-root)
Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid (on /dev/mapper/vol3-root)
The first two boot stretch, so they will eventually have "9 (stretch)
(on /dev/mapper/vol2-root)" appended, once the timeout is under control.

Based on what I see and what you say, it seems you are modifying the timeout for
Stretch (/etc/default/grub on vol2), but actually booting Stretch from Jessie's
grub.cfg (/etc/default/grub on vol1), which remains configured to 3 seconds.


That seems reasonable, but I've tried modifying the timeout after 
booting each of the installations. The timeout remains immutable. It's 
as if update-grub is not using what is in grub.d for timeout value. But 
where does 3s come from?




Is there more than one directory in /boot/efi/EFI/? If not, it's likely time for
you to explore using /etc/default/grub's GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR= option. I need to
(only one Debian, but 3 openSUSEs installed), but have been putting it off,
using Stretch's menu for all.


There is only onedirectory in /boot/efi/EFI/ :

root@BR914:/# ls -la /boot/efi/EFI
total 12
drwx-- 3 root root 4096 Dec  4 22:11 .
drwx-- 3 root root 4096 Dec 31  1969 ..
drwx-- 2 root root 4096 Dec  4 22:11 debian

How would GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=help the timeout= problem? OTOH, to change 
the wording of menu entries, I can edit grub.d files.

Re: HiDPI migration: desktop environment issue

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 25/12/17 01:44, Anders Andersson wrote:

If you can pull yourself from a Windows 95-era start menu and
always-visible panels, try the natural and more modern and updated
successor: Gnome 3. Really.


I found this "modern and updated" interface to have poor usability. It 
felt to me like an attempt to push the Android UI, optimised for tiny 
touch screens, on to the desktop.


I like always-visible panels on my desktop, including a pager, and Gnome 
2 and XFCE give them to me, in multiple highly-configurable instances, 
with plugins. I found that Gnome 3 configuration was quite limited and 
required me to hack JavaScript at the system level. It has been a while 
since I tried a pure Gnome 3 and it might have improved.


I saw a Windows 10 machine a few days ago and it had an always-visible 
panel with something that seemed to work just like the like the start 
menu. Are Windows 10 desktops configured to have this by default? It 
might be that Microsoft are returning to the successful desktop 
interface design of previous generations. Perhaps Gnome 4 will as well?



I've never found the claims of Xfce being lightweight to hold up under
scrutiny. It's often more sluggish than Gnome 3 on the clients I've
compared.


Does Gnome 3 work over VNC yet? I had such problems with Unity, but XFCE 
just worked.


Kind regards,

--
Ben Caradoc-Davies 
Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: VLC failure on Debian 9.3

[Floris]

Op Wed, 27 Dec 2017 22:07:32 +0100 schreef John Hosack  
:



Hello,

I have a DVD that plays on MacOS using VLC, but will not play on
Debian using VLC.  Some details
Disc: Video Format: NTSC, Audio Format: Dolby, Media Format: Standard  
Definition

On MacOS 10.12.6 plays using either:
Mac OS DVD Player App version:5500.70l, Framework Version: 5.9.6
VLC on Mac: Version 2.2.8
On Debian 9.3 on Asus EEE PC 900A.
VLC on Debian: Version 2.2.7
sees disc title, spins disc, then nothing
SMPlayer on Debian: Version 16.11.0
sees disc title, spins disc, then error
Exit code 2 "Failed to recognize file format"

Any suggestion?

Thanks,
John Hosack



Do you have libdvdcss2 installed?
https://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs#DVD_Playback

Re: Is there any software where I can find free software suggestions classified by category and by user rating in Debian?

[Joe]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 18:46:15 +0100
Pablo Castillo Rivas  wrote:

> > Probably you're looking for this:  
> > > https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnome-software
> > >   
> 
> 
> Despite there are few user votes, that is basically what I missed.
> Thanks. Since it is an easy, time-saving way to find apps, why isn't
> something like this included in the Debian installation?
> 

I hesitate to mention it, but Mint and Ubuntu, and to a slightly lesser
extent, Gnome, are aimed at a different user base than would be
expected to use straight Debian. 

People who go for basic Debian often deliberately avoid Gnome and KDE
(I use a couple of applications designed for both that I like, but not
the environments themselves) because they prefer to make their own
choices. Such people are less likely to want to know what other people
use, or what other people think are good, and are more likely to try the
alternatives themselves to decide which one (or more) best suits their
needs. 

For example, I use Network Manager on my portable Debians, a practice
which causes many people to hiss and hold up crossed fingers, but I
find that it Works For Me. On the other hand, I don't have it on my
desktop, because I occasionally do odd network things and don't want to
try to fight a 'helpful' piece of software, and it would never occur to
me to put it on a server. Horses for courses. You might well use two or
even three different text editors for different purposes, with none of
them being the best for all purposes. I have at least three different
web browsers installed, as while I normally use Firefox, sometimes it
can't deal with an odd website. There's no real shortcut to finding out
what works for you.

-- 
Joe

Re: Experiences with BTRFS -- is it mature enough for enterprise use?

[Tom Dial]

On 12/27/2017 04:57 AM, Matthew Crews wrote:
> I wouldn't trust BTRFS in an enterprise environment, but I have good 
> experience in a personal environment. Make sure you are using modern kernels 
> though (I wouldn't use anything earlier than 4.4, and realistically I would 
> use 4.9 or 4.13 or higher), and I definitely would not use RAID5/6.
> 
> For an enterprise environment, ZFS wins, hands down.

Based on prior experience with ZFS under Solaris and FreeBSD, I've been
considering the possibility of using it with Debian now that it is
pretty much a first class file system.

Reports of actual use, pointers, and gotchas, if any, would be useful to
me and probably others.

Thanks,
Tom Dial
> 

Re: VLC failure on Debian 9.3

[Joe]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 13:07:32 -0800
John Hosack  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a DVD that plays on MacOS using VLC, but will not play on
> Debian using VLC.  Some details
> Disc: Video Format: NTSC, Audio Format: Dolby, Media Format: Standard
> Definition On MacOS 10.12.6 plays using either:
>   Mac OS DVD Player App version:5500.70l, Framework Version:
> 5.9.6 VLC on Mac: Version 2.2.8
> On Debian 9.3 on Asus EEE PC 900A.
>   VLC on Debian: Version 2.2.7
>   sees disc title, spins disc, then nothing
>   SMPlayer on Debian: Version 16.11.0
>   sees disc title, spins disc, then error
>   Exit code 2 "Failed to recognize file format"
> 
> Any suggestion?

No, sorry, but it's quite impressive: I've literally just spent the last
half an hour watching a DVD on VLC 2.2.3 on my Windows laptop, because
it did exactly what you're seeing, on VLC 2.2.8 on Debian sid...

I suspect it's a matter of encryption/copy protection rather than what
kind of video is on the disc. A few months ago I used the laptop to
play a different DVD that wouldn't play on a Mac Mini, an issue that
was definitely copy protection.

It's all a bit stupid, because if I hadn't been able to play the disc I
had paid for, the first thing I would have done would be to find a
hacked copy on the Net...

-- 
Joe

Re: installing ufraw on buster

[Eric S Fraga]

On Wednesday, 27 Dec 2017 at 18:18, Brian wrote:

[...]

> Post the outputs of
>
> ls -l /var/cache/apt/
> ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/
>

/var/cache/apt $ ls -l
total 4151
drwxr-xr-x   3 root   root  679936 2017-12-27 10:16 archives
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root 3019781 2017-12-27 14:26 pkgcache.bin
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root  551317 2017-12-27 10:15 srcpkgcache.bin
/var/cache/apt $ ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists
total 12211
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root5208 2017-12-24 10:55 
emacs.secretsauce.net_dists_unstable_InRelease
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   14461 2017-12-24 10:55 
emacs.secretsauce.net_dists_unstable_main_binary-amd64_Packages
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root2469 2017-12-24 10:55 
emacs.secretsauce.net_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root  142252 2017-12-27 08:42 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_InRelease
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   0 2017-12-26 02:24 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   27796 2017-12-26 02:24 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages.diff_Index
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root3024 2017-11-02 03:55 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_dep11_Components-amd64.yml.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   37672 2017-11-02 03:55 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_dep11_icons-64x64.tar.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root  213674 2017-12-23 02:27 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_i18n_Translation-en
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   26320 2017-12-23 02:27 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_i18n_Translation-en.diff_Index
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root  186866 2017-12-25 02:23 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_source_Sources
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   27796 2017-12-25 02:23 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_contrib_source_Sources.diff_Index
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   0 2017-12-27 08:29 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-amd64_Packages
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   27910 2017-12-27 08:29 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_binary-amd64_Packages.diff_Index
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root 4611798 2017-11-02 03:26 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_dep11_Components-amd64.yml.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root 6598527 2017-11-02 03:23 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_dep11_icons-64x64.tar.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   0 2017-12-27 02:31 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_i18n_Translation-en
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   27910 2017-12-27 02:31 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_i18n_Translation-en.diff_Index
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   0 2017-12-27 08:32 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_source_Sources
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   27910 2017-12-27 08:32 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_main_source_Sources.diff_Index
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   0 2017-12-27 02:31 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   27796 2017-12-27 02:31 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages.diff_Index
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root7639 2017-11-01 03:42 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_dep11_Components-amd64.yml.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root1813 2017-10-03 21:48 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_dep11_icons-64x64.tar.gz
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root  387537 2017-12-10 20:20 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_i18n_Translation-en
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   19432 2017-12-10 20:20 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_i18n_Translation-en.diff_Index
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   0 2017-12-27 02:34 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_source_Sources
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   27796 2017-12-27 02:34 
ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_buster_non-free_source_Sources.diff_Index
-rw-r-   1 root   root   0 2016-09-30  2016 lock
drwx--   2 _apt   root   24576 2017-12-27 10:15 partial
-rw-r--r--   1 root   root   25508 2017-12-25 15:41 
security.debian.org_debian-security_dists_buster_updates_InRelease
/var/cache/apt $ 

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VLC failure on Debian 9.3

[John Hosack]

Hello,

I have a DVD that plays on MacOS using VLC, but will not play on
Debian using VLC.  Some details
Disc: Video Format: NTSC, Audio Format: Dolby, Media Format: Standard Definition
On MacOS 10.12.6 plays using either:
Mac OS DVD Player App version:5500.70l, Framework Version: 5.9.6
VLC on Mac: Version 2.2.8
On Debian 9.3 on Asus EEE PC 900A.
VLC on Debian: Version 2.2.7
sees disc title, spins disc, then nothing
SMPlayer on Debian: Version 16.11.0
sees disc title, spins disc, then error
Exit code 2 "Failed to recognize file format"

Any suggestion?

Thanks,
John Hosack

Re: installing ufraw on buster

[Eric S Fraga]

On Wednesday, 27 Dec 2017 at 18:02, john doe wrote:

[...]

> You can try:
> 'apt search -t buster ufraw" '

Thanks but this gives me:

$ apt search -t buster ufraw
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done

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Re: Re: Is there any software where I can find free software suggestions classified by category and by user rating in Debian?

[Reco]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 06:46:15PM +0100, Pablo Castillo Rivas wrote:
> > Probably you're looking for this:
> > > https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnome-software 
> > > 
> 
> 
> Despite there are few user votes, that is basically what I missed. Thanks.
> Since it is an easy, time-saving way to find apps, why isn't something like
> this included in the Debian installation?

Such software would serve no purpose in a typical server environment.
It has a very limited function in build chroot.
And contrary to what Debian GNOME Maintainers want you to believe, the
desktop environment world does not end with GNOME. And like most GNOME
software, gnome-software (pun intended) is completely useless outside of
GNOME.

Reco

Re: pastebinit

[Tanstaafl]

On Wed Dec 27 2017 13:39:29 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time), Gokan
Atmaca  wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I want to use the "pastebinit" service on the local network. Just for
> my own team. Is there such an application?

Maybe not exactly what you are looking for, but DL-Ticket is excellent:

https://www.thregr.org/~wavexx/software/dl/

Re: pastebinit

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 06:44:06PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 27 Dec 2017 at 21:39:29 +0300, Gokan Atmaca wrote:
> 
> > I want to use the "pastebinit" service on the local network. Just for
> > my own team. Is there such an application?
> 
> apt search pastebinit

That's the client.  He wants a server.

Re: pastebinit

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 09:39:29PM +0300, Gokan Atmaca wrote:
> I want to use the "pastebinit" service on the local network. Just for
> my own team. Is there such an application?

I've never set one up myself, but a google search for "pastebin server"
gives me several results.  You'll have to evaluate them yourself.

Re: pastebinit

[Brian]

On Wed 27 Dec 2017 at 21:39:29 +0300, Gokan Atmaca wrote:

> I want to use the "pastebinit" service on the local network. Just for
> my own team. Is there such an application?

apt search pastebinit

-- 
Brian.

Re: pastebinit

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 09:39:29PM +0300, Gokan Atmaca wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I want to use the "pastebinit" service on the local network. Just for
> my own team. Is there such an application?
> 
> thanks.
> 
You probably want pnopaste.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

pastebinit

[Gokan Atmaca]

Hello

I want to use the "pastebinit" service on the local network. Just for
my own team. Is there such an application?

thanks.

Re: Is there any software where I can find free software suggestions classified by category and by user rating in Debian?

[Brian]

On Wed 27 Dec 2017 at 15:33:36 +0100, Pablo Castillo Rivas wrote:

> This is the first time I use Debian lists. I hope I open this thread in the
> right place. Otherwise let me know ;)
> 
> I has been using Linux Mint for a couple of months and decided to give a
> first try to debian because of multiple reasons. The case is that I miss in
> Debian some kind of software center like Linux Mint or Ubuntu have.
> 
> Here is an example of what I miss. Lets say I want a video editor but I
> don't know any. I would like to have some software where I can find free
> software suggestions classified by category and by user rating.
> 
> I know there is Synaptic but I miss user rating and it shows too many
> packages even after a category is selected.
> 
> Is there such a program in Debian? Thanks

https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

Kernels and video drivers with user ratings? An interesting idea.

-- 
Brian.

Re: installing ufraw on buster

[Brian]

On Wed 27 Dec 2017 at 14:29:02 +, Eric S Fraga wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> "apt search ufraw" finds nothing but if I search on the debian website,
> I find
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/buster/ufraw
> 
> My question is simply: why does apt not find ufraw where my sources.list
> file includes the following line: 
> 
> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ buster main non-free contrib
> 
> ?  I am quite confused, especially as I can find the .deb file on the
> website at the UK ftp server.  Any clarification to help my confusion
> would be welcome!

Post the outputs of

ls -l /var/cache/apt/
ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/

-- 
Brian.

Re: Is there any software where I can find free software suggestions classified by category and by user rating in Debian?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 27 December 2017 10:47:14 Matthew Crews wrote:

> >Here is an example of what I miss. Lets say I want a video editor but
> > I don't know any. I would like to have some software where I can
> > find free software suggestions classified by category and by user
> > rating. I know there is Synaptic but I miss user rating and it shows
> > too many packages even after a category is selected. Is there such a
> > program in Debian? Thanks
>
> I'm not aware of an app per se, but have you checked the Wiki?
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Software
>
> -Matt

For video editing, and because I have a Sony metal hi-8 handicam thats 
about 4x the resolution of most of the old vhs wannabe's, which it can 
control over the older firewire 400 interface, I am in love with kino. 
The handicam lets you pull video from the camera, like the 25 minutes 
work of a wedding, (way more than a gigabyte) slice out my camera 
shakes, and put it back out, either to the handicam, a vcd, or even with 
k3b's help a stack of dvd's to pass out to the families who starred in 
the production.

There are no doubt even higher resolution cameras today, and this does 
require a firewire interface not found on computers now for a decade 
plus. But I've no clue if kino has kept up with the march to ever higher 
resolution cameras you can get today, or if its grown a usb3 interface 
most of those newer ones will need. Apple and firewire turned out too be 
a repeat of the compuserve and the gif patent, they let it get started 
as the next generation interface, then demanded a per seat price from 
the makers that was quite excessive, so firewire, like gif's  in turn 
disappeared. usb2 is not fast enough to do this sort of i/o.

There are other video editors, but none that I know of also integrate the 
cameras controller like kino does. Blender for instance is more a 3d 
graphics editor, for making animated movies than it is a video editor, 
IMO. YMMV.

This is an application area that is not well served by linux offerings 
today.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Re: Is there any software where I can find free software suggestions classified by category and by user rating in Debian?

[Pablo Castillo Rivas]

> Probably you're looking for this:
> > https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnome-software 
> > 


Despite there are few user votes, that is basically what I missed. Thanks.
Since it is an easy, time-saving way to find apps, why isn't something like
this included in the Debian installation?

-- 
Un saludo,
Pablo Castillo.

Re: Mixing and Matching DHCP and static IPs

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 27/12/2017 à 16:07, Mark Fletcher a écrit :


my Stretch desktop inside the AirStation LAN showed that can also now
ping to the PI. This represents major progress.

However, I still cannot ssh from the Stretch desktop to the PI (although
I still CAN ssh from the firewall to the PI, and I can still ssh from
the Stretch desktop to the firewall).

My network had an otherwise quiet moment a few minutes ago, and I was
able to try the ping test and note that, when pinging 192.168.1.1 the
light on the ethernet port on the PI does not flash, as I would expect,
but when pinging to 192.168.1.6 the ethernet ports on both the PI and
the firewall flash. I take this as evidence that what Pascal said might
be happening, is happening -- the AirStation for some reason still
doesn't know it can reach 192.168.1.6 directly and so is sending packets
to 192.168.1.1 for forwarding to 192.168.1.6 -- and the firewall machine
is obliging, but that is only working properly for ping packets and not
for TCP protocols like SSH.


If you want to check this you can just try to accept any packets 
forwarded from the internal interface to itself.


iptables -A FORWARD -i enp0s20u3 -o enp0s20u3 -j ACCEPT


I'm building tcpdump on both the firewall and the PI... If this turns
out to be right I will need to figure out how to manipulate the routing
table of the AirStation. Is it possible for the DHCP server to
communicate static routings to clients?


Yes, DHCP has two options : static-routes (classful) and 
rfc3442-classless-static-routes (not defined natively in ISC dhcpd 
AFAIK, managed by ISC dhclient with a custom script). However if the 
client does not even handle the netmask correctly, I doubt that it 
accepts these options.

Re: installing ufraw on buster

[john doe]

On 12/27/2017 3:29 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote:

Hello,

"apt search ufraw" finds nothing but if I search on the debian website,
I find

 https://packages.debian.org/buster/ufraw

My question is simply: why does apt not find ufraw where my sources.list
file includes the following line:

 deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ buster main non-free contrib

?  I am quite confused, especially as I can find the .deb file on the
website at the UK ftp server.  Any clarification to help my confusion
would be welcome!



You can try:
'apt search -t buster ufraw" '

--
John Doe

Re: Is there any software where I can find free software suggestions classified by category and by user rating in Debian?

[bw]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2017, Pablo Castillo Rivas wrote:

> software suggestions classified by category and by user rating.

A system of user ratings like this on debian would be a fairly narrow 
sample, because the user would have to also use the "software center" 
to provide the rating for the software they are rating.

The popularity-contest has a similar problem, it lists the most popular 
packages among people who use popularity-contest.
https://popcon.debian.org/

Re: Which kernel for Debian 9.3

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 07:44:17AM -0800, ray wrote:
> I am installing Debian 9.3 non-free on anamd64 machine.  During installation 
> of the base system, it asks to choose a kernel
> Linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
> Linux-image-amd64
> What is the difference of these?
> 

You probably want linux-image-amd64, which is a meta-package.  It will
always depend on the latest amd64 kernel available in the archive.  The
other package is version specific.  If the kernel gets upgraded (for
example to linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64, then you will not be automatically
upgraded.  Likewise when Debian 10 is released as stable if you upgrade,
the linux-image-amd64 meta-package will ensure that you receive the new
kernel on upgrade, while the linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64 package will have
your system continue to use the older kernel from Debian 9.

If you have older hardware and are concerned that support for some
component in your syste may be dropped in a future kernel and you want
to ensure that you don't get automatically upgraded to a new kernel,
then you may want the linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64 package.  But in that
case, you would have to take manual steps to move a newer kernel in the
future.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Which kernel for Debian 9.3

[ray]

I am installing Debian 9.3 non-free on anamd64 machine.  During installation of 
the base system, it asks to choose a kernel
Linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
Linux-image-amd64
What is the difference of these?

Re: Is there any software where I can find free software suggestions classified by category and by user rating in Debian?

[Reco]

Hi.

On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 03:33:36PM +0100, Pablo Castillo Rivas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> This is the first time I use Debian lists. I hope I open this thread in the
> right place. Otherwise let me know ;)

This is the right place indeed.


> I has been using Linux Mint for a couple of months and decided to give a
> first try to debian because of multiple reasons. The case is that I miss in
> Debian some kind of software center like Linux Mint or Ubuntu have.

Probably you're looking for this:

https://packages.debian.org/stretch/gnome-software

Reco

Re: Is there any software where I can find free software suggestions classified by category and by user rating in Debian?

[Matthew Crews]

>Here is an example of what I miss. Lets say I want a video editor but I don't 
>know any. I would like to have some software where I can find free software 
>suggestions classified by category and by user rating.
>I know there is Synaptic but I miss user rating and it shows too many packages 
>even after a category is selected.
>Is there such a program in Debian? Thanks

I'm not aware of an app per se, but have you checked the Wiki?

https://wiki.debian.org/Software

-Matt

Re: Mixing and Matching DHCP and static IPs

[Mark Fletcher]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 04:33:57PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 26/12/2017 à 16:05, Mark Fletcher a écrit :
> > 
> > At the risk of further advertising my ignorance, 3 as an 8-bit binary is
> > 0011, and 252 in binary is 1100, so why doesn't that mask "fit"
> > with that address? (if you'll pardon my poor terminology) Put another
> > way, why do I need to zero out another bit of the mask to make .3 a
> > unicast address?
> 
> The IPv4 protocol specification gives a special meaning to the first and
> last addresses in a subnet. The first address is the "network address" and
> the last address is the "broadcast address". Both are reserved and cannot be
> used as unicast host address.
> 

I never acknowledged this part -- thanks for this explanation, which I 
did not previously know. Totally explains why 192.168.1.3 was not 
working -- or one reason why, anyway.

In another update -- a couple of developments in the last couple of 
hours. First of all Google dug up an English-language manual for my 
AirStation -- or at least a model close enough to the one I have to be 
useful. Using that I was able to discover a ping tool in the web 
interface which I didn't know was there, which lets me ping test from 
the Airstation to any address.

The second development was that sometime after changing the IP address 
being given to the PI by the DHCP server on the firewall to an address 
outside the DHCP allocation range, I accidentally turned off the 
firewall machine (or at lesat put it to sleep) while physically moving 
it to make room for the PI beside it. After bringing it back up and 
leaving my network alone for a bit, I then used the above ping test 
feature on the AirStation and -- could ping to 192.168.1.6! A check from 
my Stretch desktop inside the AirStation LAN showed that can also now 
ping to the PI. This represents major progress.

However, I still cannot ssh from the Stretch desktop to the PI (although 
I still CAN ssh from the firewall to the PI, and I can still ssh from 
the Stretch desktop to the firewall).

My network had an otherwise quiet moment a few minutes ago, and I was 
able to try the ping test and note that, when pinging 192.168.1.1 the 
light on the ethernet port on the PI does not flash, as I would expect, 
but when pinging to 192.168.1.6 the ethernet ports on both the PI and 
the firewall flash. I take this as evidence that what Pascal said might 
be happening, is happening -- the AirStation for some reason still 
doesn't know it can reach 192.168.1.6 directly and so is sending packets 
to 192.168.1.1 for forwarding to 192.168.1.6 -- and the firewall machine 
is obliging, but that is only working properly for ping packets and not 
for TCP protocols like SSH.

I'm building tcpdump on both the firewall and the PI... If this turns 
out to be right I will need to figure out how to manipulate the routing 
table of the AirStation. Is it possible for the DHCP server to 
communicate static routings to clients? I read that it is but also read 
that almost no clients accept that so it is basically useless... True?

Mark

Is there any software where I can find free software suggestions classified by category and by user rating in Debian?

[Pablo Castillo Rivas]

Hi,

This is the first time I use Debian lists. I hope I open this thread in the
right place. Otherwise let me know ;)

I has been using Linux Mint for a couple of months and decided to give a
first try to debian because of multiple reasons. The case is that I miss in
Debian some kind of software center like Linux Mint or Ubuntu have.

Here is an example of what I miss. Lets say I want a video editor but I
don't know any. I would like to have some software where I can find free
software suggestions classified by category and by user rating.

I know there is Synaptic but I miss user rating and it shows too many
packages even after a category is selected.

Is there such a program in Debian? Thanks

-
Un saludo,
Pablo Castillo.

installing ufraw on buster

[Eric S Fraga]

Hello,

"apt search ufraw" finds nothing but if I search on the debian website,
I find

https://packages.debian.org/buster/ufraw

My question is simply: why does apt not find ufraw where my sources.list
file includes the following line: 

deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ buster main non-free contrib

?  I am quite confused, especially as I can find the .deb file on the
website at the UK ftp server.  Any clarification to help my confusion
would be welcome!

thanks,
eric

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, org 9.1.5


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Re: BIND DNS problem after upgrading from Wheezy to Squeeze

[Bernhard Schmidt]

Andrew Wood  wrote:

Hi,

> I have a server which acts as a DNS server for our LAN. All our internal 
> servers have A records on it using a .local domain and it forwards all 
> other requests out to the root servers using the in built list provided 
> with BIND. All clients on the LAN have this machine set as their only 
> DNS server.
>
>
> It has worked fine for 6 years under Wheezy but I have just upgraded it 
> to Stretch. I did an upgrade to Jessie first, rebooted checked 
> everything was OK, and then immediately upgraded to Stretch.
>
> Since then we keep getting intermittent DNS lookup failures for various 
> domains on the internet, which will typically work if you click the 
> refresh button in the browser a few times.
>
> BIND seems to just log to syslog/systemd it doesnt appear to be 
> configured to use its own log. If I run journalctl -xe | grep "named" I 
> can get the log entries but none of them relate to the failed DNS 
> lookup. If I do it immediately after a failure has occured nothing is 
> logged so Im at a bit of a loss to work out what might be wrong.
>
>
> Does anyone have any ideas please?

Current BIND9 defaults to doing DNSSEC verification. DNSSEC needs large
packets. You might have an issue with UDP fragments being dropped at
your firewall/NAT Gateway?

https://www.dns-oarc.net/oarc/services/replysizetest

You can try to set 

edns-udp-size 1200;

in your options {} block if you see issues there.

Bernhard

Re: Language of applications are not translated if the default language is changed

[john doe]

On 12/24/2017 8:48 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote:

john doe [2017-12-23 19:21:32+01] wrote:


How can I add support for those new languages so all applications will
be translated in the desired language (using command line is
prefered)?


As root user:

 localectl set-locale LANG=xx_YY.UTF-8

where xx_YY.UTF-8 is locale's name. You can add more locale variables to
the command line. You can also set default keymaps with localectl
command. See its manual page for more info.



Thanks again. :)
my apologies for not answering back sooner (your e-mail was detected as 
spam).


--
John Doe

Re: Experiences with BTRFS -- is it mature enough for enterprise use?

[Matthew Crews]

I wouldn't trust BTRFS in an enterprise environment, but I have good experience 
in a personal environment. Make sure you are using modern kernels though (I 
wouldn't use anything earlier than 4.4, and realistically I would use 4.9 or 
4.13 or higher), and I definitely would not use RAID5/6.

For an enterprise environment, ZFS wins, hands down.

Re: Mixing and Matching DHCP and static IPs

[Mark Fletcher]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 05:04:34PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 26/12/2017 à 16:49, Michael Stone a écrit :
> > 
> > This is unnecessarily complicated, and will make your life harder than
> > it needs to be. The best thing would be to not use the airstation as a
> > router at all, just use it as a switch + wireless access point in a flat
> > configuration, with the router plugged into the switch. Ignore the "wan"
> > port on the airstation and turn off any dhcp or other services that it
> > is providing.
> 
> The most important part is "turn off any DHCP service it provides". Othewise
> it will get in the way of the other DHCP server.

I don't see any setting to turn that off in the AirStation web 
interface. I considered this approach in the very first place a year 
ago, and rejected it for that reason.

> 
> > This will not work the way you think it will. Devices on the airstation
> > will have packets go directly to 192.168.1.3 (because the airstation
> > knows how to get to anything on 192.168.1.0/24) (you never actually
> > specified the netmask for 192.168.1., hopefully that's correct). The
> > packets returning from 192.168.1.3 will go to 192.168.1.1 because
> > 192.168.1.3 does not know how to get to 192.168.11.0/24 and uses the
> > default route instead.
> 
> As any SOHO router, it is likely that the Airstation masquerades forwarded
> connections, so other nodes on its WAN side do no see the real 192.168.11.x
> addresses but only the WAN side address of the Airstation, 192.168.1.2.
> 
> I guess that even the firewall does not have a special route for
> 192.168.11.0/24, as it is not supposed to see that address range.
> 

You guess correctly Pascal, that's a known limitation of the approach 
that I consider irrelevant. There is no need to initiate connections 
into the "inner LAN" from the firewall, and connections can be initiated 
the other way with no problems.

Mark

Re: Mixing and Matching DHCP and static IPs

[Mark Fletcher]

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 02:30:27PM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 08:25:52PM -0600, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Marc Auslander 
> > wrote:
> > 
> 
> Sample dhcpd config for a static IP assignment:
> 
> host thatonemachine {
>  hardware ethernet d0:ee:fb:13:5e:a6;
>  fixed-address 192.168.0.64;
> }
> 
> You can read the ethernet MAC address on the machine in question
> with 
> ip l | grep ether

Thanks very much for this, saved me a Google search. I have done this, 
replacing the mac address with the MAC address of the PI and the 
fixed-address with 192.168.1.3 . Then I built the client part of the 
dhcp package on the PI and verified it can now get its IP address by 
DHCP from the firewall's DHCP server. Rebooted after moving the old 
ifconfig config file out of the way to eradicate any trace of the old 
fixed IP. The PI now correctly and reliably gets the IP from the 
firewall DHCP server.

Oh and I also checked the netmask of the 192.168.1.x LAN on all 3 
machines. Everywhere was using /24 or 255.255.255.0 except the DHCP 
server config (and the AirStation, which was doing what it was told by 
the DHCP server). Fixed the DHCP server to 255.255.255.0 and nudged the 
AirStation to update accordingly.

Unfortunately, I still can't communicate with the PI from inside the 
AirStation's LAN.

So, the AirStation reports an IP address of 192.168.1.2 (on what it 
considers the WAN side), netmask 255.255.255.0.

On the PI (relevant part only shown, MAC elided)
# ip address
2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP 
group default qlen 1000
link/ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.1.3/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global eth0
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

# ip route (this is the whole output)
default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 
192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.3




On the firewall (relevant part only, with MACs elided):
# ip address
4: enp0s20u3:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state 
UP group default qlen 1000
link/ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.1.1/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global enp0s20u3
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 :::::/64 scope link 
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

# ip route
default via xxx.xxx.xxx.1 dev enp3s0  proto dhcp  src xxx.xxx.xxx.3  metric 
1024 
192.168.1.0/24 dev enp0s20u3  proto kernel  scope link  src 192.168.1.1 
xxx.xxx.xxx.0/22 dev enp3s0  proto kernel  scope link  src xxx.xxx.xxx.3 
xxx.xxx.xxx.1 dev enp3s0  proto dhcp  scope link  src xxx.xxx.xxx.3  metric 1024

enp3s0 is the device name of the external-facing interface, which gets 
its IP address by DHCP from the ISP and has had no problems at any 
stage.

And the firewall's DHCP configuration, nicked from the LFS build 
instructions and customised a little bit (and now including the config 
to fix the IP for the PI):

# Begin /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
#

# Use this to enble / disable dynamic dns updates globally.
ddns-update-style none;

# option definitions common to all supported networks...
option domain-name-servers 14.193.100.8,14.193.100.40;
# the above are ISP-provided DNS servers and I want to eliminate dependency
# on them eventually

default-lease-time 86400;
max-lease-time 86400;

# This is a very basic subnet declaration.
subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
  range 192.168.1.2 192.168.1.3;
  option routers 192.168.1.1;
}

host nameserver {
   hardware ethernet b8:27:eb:cd:87:e8;
   fixed-address 192.168.1.3;
}


# End /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf

I tried changing the fixed IP address in the above DHCP conf to 
192.168.1.6, ie outside the range of what DHCP would otherwise allocate; 
the PI did indeed pick up the new IP address but it made no difference.

On a machine running Stretch inside the wired part of the AirStation's 
LAN (wired and wireless are the same subnet), this machine has IP 
192.168.11.2:

$ ping 192.168.1.3
PING 192.168.1.3 (192.168.1.3) 56(84) bytes of data.


--- 192.168.1.3 ping statistics ---
14 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 13300ms

$ ssh 192.168.1.3


$

$ ping 192.168.1.1
PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=63 time=0.670 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=63 time=0.599 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=63 time=0.596 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=63 time=0.649 ms

$ ssh 192.168.1.1
mark@192.168.1.1's password:

$

and finally from 192.168.1.1 -- the firewall:
$ ssh 192.168.1.3
mark@192.168.1.3's password:

If I type the password I can log in.

I'd really like to be able to see the routing table on the AirStation. 

Next steps are to build tcpdump for the firewall and the PI and see what 
running it there while trying to communicate with the PI tells me, and 
while it is building I will do some Googling to see if there is a way to 
get the AirStation to show me its routi