Re: akondadi - should be really improved!

[Brad Rogers]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 21:18:01 +0200
Hans  wrote:

Hello Hans,

>just a little feedback. IMO akonadi in kmail should be either really
>improved or dropped.

That's a kmail/akonadi issue, not specifically a Debian one.  The
relevant Debian packaging team(s) are probably not involved directly in
developing KMail or akonadi.

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Re: Hibernate not working !

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 08/06/18 15:03, Aaron Gray wrote:

I am currently running Debian Stretch and MATE desktop.
I have noticed a while back the hibernate option disappearing from desktop
options and have found this does not work.
Is there any reason for this not working on Debian Stretch or Debian Jessie
or even other Linii I have tried ?
Regards,
Aaron


Do you have swap that is equal to or greater than system RAM?

Kind regards,

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Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: comment créer un dictionnaire hunspell français

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "Benoit B" 
> À: "debian-user-french" 
> Envoyé: Vendredi 8 Juin 2018 02:44:06
> Objet: Re: comment créer un dictionnaire hunspell français
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> Il y a Dicollecte, ou tu peux ajouter des mots.
> 
> «Dicollecte vise à améliorer les dictionnaires orthographiques
> français pour les logiciels libres, comme LibreOffice, OpenOffice,
> Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution, Pidgin, Notepad++, Eclipse, etc.,
> ainsi que tous les logiciels utilisant le correcteur orthographique
> Hunspell.»
> 
> Cf
> https://dicollecte.org/home.php?prj=fr
> 
> --
> Benoit
> 
> Le 31 mai 2018 à 14:00, Bernard Schoenacker
>  a écrit :
> > bonjour,
> >
> > cf sujet et qui a des pistes ?
> >
> > merci
> > slt
> > bernard
> >
> 
bonjour,

il s'agit de créer une nouvelle orthographe et grammaire 
adoptant le genre neutre de l'écriture inclusive ...

merci
slt
bernard

Re: GSM logiciel

[Bernard Schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "Benoit B" 
> À: "debian-user-french" 
> Envoyé: Vendredi 8 Juin 2018 03:03:45
> Objet: GSM logiciel
> 
> Bonsoir,
> 
> Serait-il possible d'utiliser le protocole GSM avec une clé 4G HUAWEI
> pour envoyer des sms, appeler un n°, écouter mes messages vocaux ?
> 
> 
> 
> Existe-il un logiciel facile a installer et configurer pour
> téléphoner
> (en GSM et pas du VOIP via le data mobile) avec mon PC ?
> 
> Merci d'avance
> 
> --
> Benoit
> 
> 

bonjour ben oit,

j'ai trouvé un tuto pour une framboise qui fera l'affaire :
http://milillicuti.com/raspberry-pi-et-sms/
https://raspbian-france.fr/envoyer-sms-raspberry-pi/

merci 

slt
bernard

Hibernate not working !

[Aaron Gray]

I am currently running Debian Stretch and MATE desktop.

I have noticed a while back the hibernate option disappearing from desktop
options and have found this does not work.

Is there any reason for this not working on Debian Stretch or Debian Jessie
or even other Linii I have tried ?

Regards,

Aaron

-- 
Aaron Gray

Independent Open Source Software Engineer, Computer Language Researcher,
Information Theorist, and amateur computer scientist.

Re: Repositorios de versiones viejas

[Felix Perez]

El 6 de junio de 2018, 08:43, divagante  escribió:
> El 04/06/18 a las 12:30, Felix Perez escribió:
>>
>> El 3 de junio de 2018, 23:36, Fabián Bonetti 
>> escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hola, tuve la necesidad de usar un cd de debian 5...
>>>
>>> Y cuando estaba instalando... me decia que los repos no estaban.
>>>
>>> Cada cuantas versiones dan de baja los repositorios?.
>>>
>>> Hay algun servidor que los mantenga a todos los repos de debian?...me
>>> refieros a todas las versiones?
>>>
>>
>>
>> http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-5.0/
>>
>> If you are using APT the relevent sources.list entries are like:
>>deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ $RELEASE main contrib
>> for example:
>>deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib
>>
>> Saludos.
>>
>
>  Quizas si estan, puedas descargar las iso dvd finales de esa version.
>

Si, si están pero hay que darse el trabajo de buscar.


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GSM logiciel

[Benoit B]

Bonsoir,

Serait-il possible d'utiliser le protocole GSM avec une clé 4G HUAWEI
pour envoyer des sms, appeler un n°, écouter mes messages vocaux ?



Existe-il un logiciel facile a installer et configurer pour téléphoner
(en GSM et pas du VOIP via le data mobile) avec mon PC ?

Merci d'avance

--
Benoit

Re: comment créer un dictionnaire hunspell français

[Benoit B]

Bonjour,

Il y a Dicollecte, ou tu peux ajouter des mots.

«Dicollecte vise à améliorer les dictionnaires orthographiques
français pour les logiciels libres, comme LibreOffice, OpenOffice,
Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution, Pidgin, Notepad++, Eclipse, etc.,
ainsi que tous les logiciels utilisant le correcteur orthographique
Hunspell.»

Cf
https://dicollecte.org/home.php?prj=fr

--
Benoit

Le 31 mai 2018 à 14:00, Bernard Schoenacker
 a écrit :
> bonjour,
>
> cf sujet et qui a des pistes ?
>
> merci
> slt
> bernard
>

Re: akondadi - should be really improved!

[deloptes]

Hans wrote:

> Don't know if anyone got into the same trouble, but IMO akonadi should be
> improved.

yes long time ago. I think it was 2008. Since then I use TDE which is old
KDE3. I am not advertising, but KDE >= 4 is PITA in itself.

regards

Re: The Internet locks up Buster

[Mark Fletcher]

On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 02:13:17PM -0400, Borden Rhodes wrote:
> > I.e. 12309 bug is back. It's obscure and presumably fixed (at least four
> > times fixed) bug that happens with relatively slow filesystem (be it
> > SSD/HDD/NFS or whatever) and a large amount of free RAM. I first
> > encountered the thing back in 2.6.18 days, where it was presumably
> > implemented (as in - nobody complained before ;).
> 
> Thank you, Reco and Abdullah, for providing some very helpful
> information. I'll retest with the kernel parameters. I went over to
> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309 and it seems they've
> closed the bug and/or given up on this. Is there any value in
> continuing to whine about this problem? I mean, it's not like
> large-capacity RAM is going away.
> 

I feel like we are missing a trick here. Even with a relatively slow I/O 
device (I was faintly amused to see SSD in the list of relatively slow 
devices, if SSD is slow what is fast?) it should eventually catch up 
UNLESS something is generating an insane amount of I/O over a sustained 
period. Just browsing the web shouldn't do that unless RAM is very 
tight, and the O/P indicated they have lots of RAM.

I run my machine here with 24GB RAM and part of my filesystem is on an 
external USB hard drive cage. From reading this thread you'd think that 
when I run data analyses reading and writing that external drive cage, 
it would be a recipe for this bug, but it isn't. And that is because 
those processes do a lot of work and make the CPU work hard, but they 
don't do insane amounts of I/O. (lots, but not insane amounts)

So, I think the O/P should look into what is causing all the I/O in the 
first place, and why that I/O is sustained even when most of the 
processes on the system are blocked. Something isn't right there. The 
usual suspect would be swapping but again the O/P said they have 
"large-capacity RAM" and were just browsing the web with or without 
LibreOffice open -- this shouldn't trigger swapping.

Mark

Slow clock on Xen 4.8 after upgrade

[Mike]

Folks,

I've been running a Debian Xen server for a while now.  It was upgraded
to Stretch upon its release and has (I think) ran like that since.  It's
been regularly updated but never rebooted until this weekend which saw
it go from a 4.9.0-3 kernel to 4.9.0-6 and what looks from the apt
history like a few upgrades to the Hypervisor.

Long story short, having ran without issue for around 330 days,
following the reboot, I noticed that the time on the Dom0 and DomUs was
drifting.  After investigating, I noticed that the NTP daemon was
rejecting all of its upstream servers as they were failing sanity.
After a restart and resync of the NTP daemon, the same thing was
happening, after about five minutes, all of the servers would fail
sanity and get rejected.

Upon further investigation, I noticed that the system time was drifting
away from the hardware clock at a fairly alarming rate.  It was
something like 15 minutes a day.

I did take a look at
/sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource which
was listing tsc.  I understand that can be a little flaky with vCPUS
(although had worked for the past 330 days), so I changed it to xen.
This made no difference at all.  Further investigations led me to: xl
dmesg | grep time which revealed: (XEN) Platform timer is 14.318MHz HPET
but again, something which has worked perfectly well for 330 days.

In the end I used adjtimex -t 10065 -f 3058784 to speed the clock up a
bit and that has allowed NTP to be able to keep it under control.

So the issue with the slow clock appears to have been compenstated for
but I'd be intersted to know what actually caused it.  I've drawn a bit
of a blank on that one and would be grateful if anyone could offer any
thoughts?

Mike.


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akondadi - should be really improved!

[Hans]

Hi folks, 

just a little feedback. IMO akonadi in kmail should be either really improved 
or dropped.

I do not want to mourne, as I know, there is lots of work done in free time, 
but akonadi at the moment (better since the change to akonadi in kmail) is 
pita.

Akonadi is slow, really slow. If you want to delete lots of mails in one line, 
it does not. You have to delete one after the other, which is annoying.

And even this is not always working. Rather often it hangs. Then you have to 
click to another folder (i.e. sent mail), then click the desired folder where 
you want to delete the mails and you can go on.

Looks like fast deletion is not possible.

Don't know if anyone got into the same trouble, but IMO akonadi should be 
improved.

Please don't mind, best regards

Hans

Re: Problemas con samba

[OddieX]

El día 7 de junio de 2018, 16:11, Fernando Romero
 escribió:
> Puse:
>
> min protocol = SMB2
> max protocol = SMB2
>
> en el smbd.log solo me muestra esto
>
>   Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2008
> [2018/06/06 09:44:16, 0] smbd/server.c:main(958)
>   smbd version 3.0.33-3.41.el5_11 started.
>   Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2008
> [2018/06/06 09:45:25, 0] smbd/server.c:main(958)
>   smbd version 3.0.33-3.41.el5_11 started.
>   Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2008
> [2018/06/06 09:58:17, 0] smbd/server.c:main(958)
>   smbd version 3.0.33-3.41.el5_11 started.
>   Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2008
>
> El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:53, OddieX  escribió:
>>
>> El día 7 de junio de 2018, 15:41, Fernando Romero
>>
>>  escribió:
>> > Gracias OddieX ya me funciona, lo tengo para invitado y sin pass.
>> > El tema que me queda resolver es el del protoco, necesito que use SMB2
>> > y no
>> > SMB1 como me esta usando
>> > Cual log me da una idea de por que no usa el procolo que le agregue al
>> > smb.conf?
>> >
>> > Saludos
>> >
>> > El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:37, OddieX  escribió:
>> >>
>> >> El día 7 de junio de 2018, 15:32, Fernando Romero
>> >>  escribió:
>> >> > Hola Oddiex, tuve algunos otros problemas mas urgentes y recién
>> >> > termine
>> >> > con
>> >> > este.
>> >> > Si lo resolvi a medias ya me salto otro error, tengo corriendo la
>> >> > versión
>> >> > smb1 y el cliente me pide la smb2.
>> >> > Estuve leyendo y en el smb.conf agregue:
>> >> >
>> >> > min protocol = SMS2
>> >> >
>> >> > Pero igual los cliente con smb2 siguen sin conectarse.
>> >> >
>> >> > Como puedo chequear si realmente me esta levantando el SMB2?
>> >> >
>> >> > Saludos
>> >> >
>> >> > El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:28, OddieX  escribió:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> El día 4 de junio de 2018, 10:41, Fernando Romero
>> >> >>  escribió:
>> >> >> > Gracias por tu respuesta Oddiex, una pregunta mas, la pc en
>> >> >> > Windows
>> >> >> > esta
>> >> >> > en
>> >> >> > dominio y  el Linux no, en el workgroup va en dominio en que esta
>> >> >> > el
>> >> >> > Windows?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Saludos
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > El 4 de junio de 2018, 10:23, OddieX  escribió:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> 2018-06-04 9:35 GMT-03:00 Fernando Romero
>> >> >> >> :
>> >> >> >> > Hola como están.
>> >> >> >> > Estoy tratando de compartir una carpeta, para que se pueda
>> >> >> >> > mapear
>> >> >> >> > en
>> >> >> >> > Windows
>> >> >> >> > sin usuario pero no me aparece en la red, probé con usuario y
>> >> >> >> > sin
>> >> >> >> > usuario y
>> >> >> >> > no la puedo mapear.
>> >> >> >> > Este es mi conf de smb.conf
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > [global]
>> >> >> >> > workgroup = ORACLE
>> >> >> >> > server string = shadow
>> >> >> >> > interfaces = lo, eth0, 192.168.0.0/24
>> >> >> >> > security = SHARE
>> >> >> >> > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers
>> >> >> >> > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
>> >> >> >> > max log size = 50
>> >> >> >> > wins support = Yes
>> >> >> >> > hosts allow = 127., 192.168.0.
>> >> >> >> > cups options = raw
>> >> >> >> > [homes]
>> >> >> >> > comment = Home Directories
>> >> >> >> > path = /home/samba/compartido
>> >> >> >> > read only = No
>> >> >> >> > create mask = 0770
>> >> >> >> > directory mask = 0770
>> >> >> >> > guest ok = Yes
>> >> >> >> > [printers]
>> >> >> >> > comment = All Printers
>> >> >> >> > path = /var/spool/samba
>> >> >> >> > printable = Yes
>> >> >> >> > browseable = No
>> >> >> >> > [file]
>> >> >> >> > comment = compartido
>> >> >> >> > path = /home/file
>> >> >> >> > read only = No
>> >> >> >> > guest ok = Yes
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > El compartido es /home/file probé también con el
>> >> >> >> > /home/samba/compartido,
>> >> >> >> > que
>> >> >> >> > estoy haciendo mal?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Saludos y gracias
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Fernando, proba agregar lo siguiente:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> En el global:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>netbios name = fileserver
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> En la config de cada carpeta:
>> >> >> >> browseable = yes
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Tambien obviamente, tenes que tener el mismo workgroup "ORACLE"
>> >> >> >> en
>> >> >> >> tu
>> >> >> >> caso, como grupo de trabajo en windows tambien...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Y si no te funciona aun, forzale por que interfaz salga y algunos
>> >> >> >> otros parametros que quiza ayuden:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>interfaces = lo eth0
>> >> >> >>bind interfaces only = yes
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Y tambien chequea de forzar que no este en modo AD:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>domain master = no
>> >> >> >>preferred master = no
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Fijate si alguna de esas cosas te ayudan a resolver el
>> >> >> >> problema...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >

Re: Problemas con samba

[Fernando Romero]

Puse:

min protocol = SMB2
max protocol = SMB2

en el smbd.log solo me muestra esto

  Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2008
[2018/06/06 09:44:16, 0] smbd/server.c:main(958)
  smbd version 3.0.33-3.41.el5_11 started.
  Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2008
[2018/06/06 09:45:25, 0] smbd/server.c:main(958)
  smbd version 3.0.33-3.41.el5_11 started.
  Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2008
[2018/06/06 09:58:17, 0] smbd/server.c:main(958)
  smbd version 3.0.33-3.41.el5_11 started.
  Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2008

El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:53, OddieX  escribió:

> El día 7 de junio de 2018, 15:41, Fernando Romero
>  escribió:
> > Gracias OddieX ya me funciona, lo tengo para invitado y sin pass.
> > El tema que me queda resolver es el del protoco, necesito que use SMB2
> y no
> > SMB1 como me esta usando
> > Cual log me da una idea de por que no usa el procolo que le agregue al
> > smb.conf?
> >
> > Saludos
> >
> > El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:37, OddieX  escribió:
> >>
> >> El día 7 de junio de 2018, 15:32, Fernando Romero
> >>  escribió:
> >> > Hola Oddiex, tuve algunos otros problemas mas urgentes y recién
> termine
> >> > con
> >> > este.
> >> > Si lo resolvi a medias ya me salto otro error, tengo corriendo la
> >> > versión
> >> > smb1 y el cliente me pide la smb2.
> >> > Estuve leyendo y en el smb.conf agregue:
> >> >
> >> > min protocol = SMS2
> >> >
> >> > Pero igual los cliente con smb2 siguen sin conectarse.
> >> >
> >> > Como puedo chequear si realmente me esta levantando el SMB2?
> >> >
> >> > Saludos
> >> >
> >> > El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:28, OddieX  escribió:
> >> >>
> >> >> El día 4 de junio de 2018, 10:41, Fernando Romero
> >> >>  escribió:
> >> >> > Gracias por tu respuesta Oddiex, una pregunta mas, la pc en Windows
> >> >> > esta
> >> >> > en
> >> >> > dominio y  el Linux no, en el workgroup va en dominio en que esta
> el
> >> >> > Windows?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Saludos
> >> >> >
> >> >> > El 4 de junio de 2018, 10:23, OddieX  escribió:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2018-06-04 9:35 GMT-03:00 Fernando Romero  >:
> >> >> >> > Hola como están.
> >> >> >> > Estoy tratando de compartir una carpeta, para que se pueda
> mapear
> >> >> >> > en
> >> >> >> > Windows
> >> >> >> > sin usuario pero no me aparece en la red, probé con usuario y
> sin
> >> >> >> > usuario y
> >> >> >> > no la puedo mapear.
> >> >> >> > Este es mi conf de smb.conf
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > [global]
> >> >> >> > workgroup = ORACLE
> >> >> >> > server string = shadow
> >> >> >> > interfaces = lo, eth0, 192.168.0.0/24
> >> >> >> > security = SHARE
> >> >> >> > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers
> >> >> >> > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
> >> >> >> > max log size = 50
> >> >> >> > wins support = Yes
> >> >> >> > hosts allow = 127., 192.168.0.
> >> >> >> > cups options = raw
> >> >> >> > [homes]
> >> >> >> > comment = Home Directories
> >> >> >> > path = /home/samba/compartido
> >> >> >> > read only = No
> >> >> >> > create mask = 0770
> >> >> >> > directory mask = 0770
> >> >> >> > guest ok = Yes
> >> >> >> > [printers]
> >> >> >> > comment = All Printers
> >> >> >> > path = /var/spool/samba
> >> >> >> > printable = Yes
> >> >> >> > browseable = No
> >> >> >> > [file]
> >> >> >> > comment = compartido
> >> >> >> > path = /home/file
> >> >> >> > read only = No
> >> >> >> > guest ok = Yes
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > El compartido es /home/file probé también con el
> >> >> >> > /home/samba/compartido,
> >> >> >> > que
> >> >> >> > estoy haciendo mal?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Saludos y gracias
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Fernando, proba agregar lo siguiente:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> En el global:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>netbios name = fileserver
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> En la config de cada carpeta:
> >> >> >> browseable = yes
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Tambien obviamente, tenes que tener el mismo workgroup "ORACLE" en
> >> >> >> tu
> >> >> >> caso, como grupo de trabajo en windows tambien...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Y si no te funciona aun, forzale por que interfaz salga y algunos
> >> >> >> otros parametros que quiza ayuden:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>interfaces = lo eth0
> >> >> >>bind interfaces only = yes
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Y tambien chequea de forzar que no este en modo AD:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>domain master = no
> >> >> >>preferred master = no
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Fijate si alguna de esas cosas te ayudan a resolver el problema...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Fernando, no nos has dicho si solucionaste el problema y me di cuenta
> >> >> que lo ultimo te lo habia contestado a vos solo y no a la lista, de
> >> >> todos modos revisando un equipo viejo que usaba de fileserver en un
> >> >> cliente me encontre con la configuracion que vos 

Re: Problemas con samba

[OddieX]

El día 7 de junio de 2018, 15:41, Fernando Romero
 escribió:
> Gracias OddieX ya me funciona, lo tengo para invitado y sin pass.
> El tema que me queda resolver es el del protoco, necesito que use SMB2  y no
> SMB1 como me esta usando
> Cual log me da una idea de por que no usa el procolo que le agregue al
> smb.conf?
>
> Saludos
>
> El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:37, OddieX  escribió:
>>
>> El día 7 de junio de 2018, 15:32, Fernando Romero
>>  escribió:
>> > Hola Oddiex, tuve algunos otros problemas mas urgentes y recién termine
>> > con
>> > este.
>> > Si lo resolvi a medias ya me salto otro error, tengo corriendo la
>> > versión
>> > smb1 y el cliente me pide la smb2.
>> > Estuve leyendo y en el smb.conf agregue:
>> >
>> > min protocol = SMS2
>> >
>> > Pero igual los cliente con smb2 siguen sin conectarse.
>> >
>> > Como puedo chequear si realmente me esta levantando el SMB2?
>> >
>> > Saludos
>> >
>> > El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:28, OddieX  escribió:
>> >>
>> >> El día 4 de junio de 2018, 10:41, Fernando Romero
>> >>  escribió:
>> >> > Gracias por tu respuesta Oddiex, una pregunta mas, la pc en Windows
>> >> > esta
>> >> > en
>> >> > dominio y  el Linux no, en el workgroup va en dominio en que esta el
>> >> > Windows?
>> >> >
>> >> > Saludos
>> >> >
>> >> > El 4 de junio de 2018, 10:23, OddieX  escribió:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2018-06-04 9:35 GMT-03:00 Fernando Romero :
>> >> >> > Hola como están.
>> >> >> > Estoy tratando de compartir una carpeta, para que se pueda mapear
>> >> >> > en
>> >> >> > Windows
>> >> >> > sin usuario pero no me aparece en la red, probé con usuario y sin
>> >> >> > usuario y
>> >> >> > no la puedo mapear.
>> >> >> > Este es mi conf de smb.conf
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > [global]
>> >> >> > workgroup = ORACLE
>> >> >> > server string = shadow
>> >> >> > interfaces = lo, eth0, 192.168.0.0/24
>> >> >> > security = SHARE
>> >> >> > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers
>> >> >> > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
>> >> >> > max log size = 50
>> >> >> > wins support = Yes
>> >> >> > hosts allow = 127., 192.168.0.
>> >> >> > cups options = raw
>> >> >> > [homes]
>> >> >> > comment = Home Directories
>> >> >> > path = /home/samba/compartido
>> >> >> > read only = No
>> >> >> > create mask = 0770
>> >> >> > directory mask = 0770
>> >> >> > guest ok = Yes
>> >> >> > [printers]
>> >> >> > comment = All Printers
>> >> >> > path = /var/spool/samba
>> >> >> > printable = Yes
>> >> >> > browseable = No
>> >> >> > [file]
>> >> >> > comment = compartido
>> >> >> > path = /home/file
>> >> >> > read only = No
>> >> >> > guest ok = Yes
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > El compartido es /home/file probé también con el
>> >> >> > /home/samba/compartido,
>> >> >> > que
>> >> >> > estoy haciendo mal?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Saludos y gracias
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Fernando, proba agregar lo siguiente:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> En el global:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>netbios name = fileserver
>> >> >>
>> >> >> En la config de cada carpeta:
>> >> >> browseable = yes
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tambien obviamente, tenes que tener el mismo workgroup "ORACLE" en
>> >> >> tu
>> >> >> caso, como grupo de trabajo en windows tambien...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Y si no te funciona aun, forzale por que interfaz salga y algunos
>> >> >> otros parametros que quiza ayuden:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>interfaces = lo eth0
>> >> >>bind interfaces only = yes
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Y tambien chequea de forzar que no este en modo AD:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>domain master = no
>> >> >>preferred master = no
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Fijate si alguna de esas cosas te ayudan a resolver el problema...
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Fernando, no nos has dicho si solucionaste el problema y me di cuenta
>> >> que lo ultimo te lo habia contestado a vos solo y no a la lista, de
>> >> todos modos revisando un equipo viejo que usaba de fileserver en un
>> >> cliente me encontre con la configuracion que vos buscas, te la dejo a
>> >> ver si te sirve.
>> >>
>> >> [global]
>> >>workgroup = WORKGROUP
>> >>server string = %h server
>> >>log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
>> >>max log size = 1000
>> >>syslog = 0
>> >>panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d
>> >>security = user
>> >>encrypt passwords = true
>> >>passdb backend = tdbsam
>> >>obey pam restrictions = yes
>> >>unix password sync = yes
>> >>passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
>> >>passwd chat = *Enter\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n
>> >> *Retype\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n *password\supdated\ssuccessfully* .
>> >>pam password change = yes
>> >>map to guest = bad user
>> >>usershare allow guests = yes
>> >>
>> >> [Fileserver]
>> >>comment = Fileserver
>> >>read only = no
>> >>path = /srv
>> >>guest ok = yes
>> >>browseable = yes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hay cosas 

Re: Problemas con samba

[Fernando Romero]

Gracias OddieX ya me funciona, lo tengo para invitado y sin pass.
El tema que me queda resolver es el del protoco, necesito que use SMB2  y
no SMB1 como me esta usando
Cual log me da una idea de por que no usa el procolo que le agregue al
smb.conf?

Saludos

El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:37, OddieX  escribió:

> El día 7 de junio de 2018, 15:32, Fernando Romero
>  escribió:
> > Hola Oddiex, tuve algunos otros problemas mas urgentes y recién termine
> con
> > este.
> > Si lo resolvi a medias ya me salto otro error, tengo corriendo la versión
> > smb1 y el cliente me pide la smb2.
> > Estuve leyendo y en el smb.conf agregue:
> >
> > min protocol = SMS2
> >
> > Pero igual los cliente con smb2 siguen sin conectarse.
> >
> > Como puedo chequear si realmente me esta levantando el SMB2?
> >
> > Saludos
> >
> > El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:28, OddieX  escribió:
> >>
> >> El día 4 de junio de 2018, 10:41, Fernando Romero
> >>  escribió:
> >> > Gracias por tu respuesta Oddiex, una pregunta mas, la pc en Windows
> esta
> >> > en
> >> > dominio y  el Linux no, en el workgroup va en dominio en que esta el
> >> > Windows?
> >> >
> >> > Saludos
> >> >
> >> > El 4 de junio de 2018, 10:23, OddieX  escribió:
> >> >>
> >> >> 2018-06-04 9:35 GMT-03:00 Fernando Romero :
> >> >> > Hola como están.
> >> >> > Estoy tratando de compartir una carpeta, para que se pueda mapear
> en
> >> >> > Windows
> >> >> > sin usuario pero no me aparece en la red, probé con usuario y sin
> >> >> > usuario y
> >> >> > no la puedo mapear.
> >> >> > Este es mi conf de smb.conf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > [global]
> >> >> > workgroup = ORACLE
> >> >> > server string = shadow
> >> >> > interfaces = lo, eth0, 192.168.0.0/24
> >> >> > security = SHARE
> >> >> > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers
> >> >> > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
> >> >> > max log size = 50
> >> >> > wins support = Yes
> >> >> > hosts allow = 127., 192.168.0.
> >> >> > cups options = raw
> >> >> > [homes]
> >> >> > comment = Home Directories
> >> >> > path = /home/samba/compartido
> >> >> > read only = No
> >> >> > create mask = 0770
> >> >> > directory mask = 0770
> >> >> > guest ok = Yes
> >> >> > [printers]
> >> >> > comment = All Printers
> >> >> > path = /var/spool/samba
> >> >> > printable = Yes
> >> >> > browseable = No
> >> >> > [file]
> >> >> > comment = compartido
> >> >> > path = /home/file
> >> >> > read only = No
> >> >> > guest ok = Yes
> >> >> >
> >> >> > El compartido es /home/file probé también con el
> >> >> > /home/samba/compartido,
> >> >> > que
> >> >> > estoy haciendo mal?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Saludos y gracias
> >> >>
> >> >> Fernando, proba agregar lo siguiente:
> >> >>
> >> >> En el global:
> >> >>
> >> >>netbios name = fileserver
> >> >>
> >> >> En la config de cada carpeta:
> >> >> browseable = yes
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Tambien obviamente, tenes que tener el mismo workgroup "ORACLE" en tu
> >> >> caso, como grupo de trabajo en windows tambien...
> >> >>
> >> >> Y si no te funciona aun, forzale por que interfaz salga y algunos
> >> >> otros parametros que quiza ayuden:
> >> >>
> >> >>interfaces = lo eth0
> >> >>bind interfaces only = yes
> >> >>
> >> >> Y tambien chequea de forzar que no este en modo AD:
> >> >>
> >> >>domain master = no
> >> >>preferred master = no
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Fijate si alguna de esas cosas te ayudan a resolver el problema...
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Fernando, no nos has dicho si solucionaste el problema y me di cuenta
> >> que lo ultimo te lo habia contestado a vos solo y no a la lista, de
> >> todos modos revisando un equipo viejo que usaba de fileserver en un
> >> cliente me encontre con la configuracion que vos buscas, te la dejo a
> >> ver si te sirve.
> >>
> >> [global]
> >>workgroup = WORKGROUP
> >>server string = %h server
> >>log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
> >>max log size = 1000
> >>syslog = 0
> >>panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d
> >>security = user
> >>encrypt passwords = true
> >>passdb backend = tdbsam
> >>obey pam restrictions = yes
> >>unix password sync = yes
> >>passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
> >>passwd chat = *Enter\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n
> >> *Retype\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n *password\supdated\ssuccessfully* .
> >>pam password change = yes
> >>map to guest = bad user
> >>usershare allow guests = yes
> >>
> >> [Fileserver]
> >>comment = Fileserver
> >>read only = no
> >>path = /srv
> >>guest ok = yes
> >>browseable = yes
> >>
> >>
> >> Hay cosas que estan de mas, pero funciona perfectamente.
> >>
> >> Avisa si te funciona y solucionaste el problema.
> >>
> >> Saludos!
> >>
> >
>
> Proba con la configuracion que te envie y decime, si no, habilita el
> debug y envianos los logs, a ver si 

Re: Problemas con samba

[OddieX]

El día 7 de junio de 2018, 15:32, Fernando Romero
 escribió:
> Hola Oddiex, tuve algunos otros problemas mas urgentes y recién termine con
> este.
> Si lo resolvi a medias ya me salto otro error, tengo corriendo la versión
> smb1 y el cliente me pide la smb2.
> Estuve leyendo y en el smb.conf agregue:
>
> min protocol = SMS2
>
> Pero igual los cliente con smb2 siguen sin conectarse.
>
> Como puedo chequear si realmente me esta levantando el SMB2?
>
> Saludos
>
> El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:28, OddieX  escribió:
>>
>> El día 4 de junio de 2018, 10:41, Fernando Romero
>>  escribió:
>> > Gracias por tu respuesta Oddiex, una pregunta mas, la pc en Windows esta
>> > en
>> > dominio y  el Linux no, en el workgroup va en dominio en que esta el
>> > Windows?
>> >
>> > Saludos
>> >
>> > El 4 de junio de 2018, 10:23, OddieX  escribió:
>> >>
>> >> 2018-06-04 9:35 GMT-03:00 Fernando Romero :
>> >> > Hola como están.
>> >> > Estoy tratando de compartir una carpeta, para que se pueda mapear en
>> >> > Windows
>> >> > sin usuario pero no me aparece en la red, probé con usuario y sin
>> >> > usuario y
>> >> > no la puedo mapear.
>> >> > Este es mi conf de smb.conf
>> >> >
>> >> > [global]
>> >> > workgroup = ORACLE
>> >> > server string = shadow
>> >> > interfaces = lo, eth0, 192.168.0.0/24
>> >> > security = SHARE
>> >> > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers
>> >> > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
>> >> > max log size = 50
>> >> > wins support = Yes
>> >> > hosts allow = 127., 192.168.0.
>> >> > cups options = raw
>> >> > [homes]
>> >> > comment = Home Directories
>> >> > path = /home/samba/compartido
>> >> > read only = No
>> >> > create mask = 0770
>> >> > directory mask = 0770
>> >> > guest ok = Yes
>> >> > [printers]
>> >> > comment = All Printers
>> >> > path = /var/spool/samba
>> >> > printable = Yes
>> >> > browseable = No
>> >> > [file]
>> >> > comment = compartido
>> >> > path = /home/file
>> >> > read only = No
>> >> > guest ok = Yes
>> >> >
>> >> > El compartido es /home/file probé también con el
>> >> > /home/samba/compartido,
>> >> > que
>> >> > estoy haciendo mal?
>> >> >
>> >> > Saludos y gracias
>> >>
>> >> Fernando, proba agregar lo siguiente:
>> >>
>> >> En el global:
>> >>
>> >>netbios name = fileserver
>> >>
>> >> En la config de cada carpeta:
>> >> browseable = yes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Tambien obviamente, tenes que tener el mismo workgroup "ORACLE" en tu
>> >> caso, como grupo de trabajo en windows tambien...
>> >>
>> >> Y si no te funciona aun, forzale por que interfaz salga y algunos
>> >> otros parametros que quiza ayuden:
>> >>
>> >>interfaces = lo eth0
>> >>bind interfaces only = yes
>> >>
>> >> Y tambien chequea de forzar que no este en modo AD:
>> >>
>> >>domain master = no
>> >>preferred master = no
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Fijate si alguna de esas cosas te ayudan a resolver el problema...
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>> Fernando, no nos has dicho si solucionaste el problema y me di cuenta
>> que lo ultimo te lo habia contestado a vos solo y no a la lista, de
>> todos modos revisando un equipo viejo que usaba de fileserver en un
>> cliente me encontre con la configuracion que vos buscas, te la dejo a
>> ver si te sirve.
>>
>> [global]
>>workgroup = WORKGROUP
>>server string = %h server
>>log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
>>max log size = 1000
>>syslog = 0
>>panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d
>>security = user
>>encrypt passwords = true
>>passdb backend = tdbsam
>>obey pam restrictions = yes
>>unix password sync = yes
>>passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
>>passwd chat = *Enter\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n
>> *Retype\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n *password\supdated\ssuccessfully* .
>>pam password change = yes
>>map to guest = bad user
>>usershare allow guests = yes
>>
>> [Fileserver]
>>comment = Fileserver
>>read only = no
>>path = /srv
>>guest ok = yes
>>browseable = yes
>>
>>
>> Hay cosas que estan de mas, pero funciona perfectamente.
>>
>> Avisa si te funciona y solucionaste el problema.
>>
>> Saludos!
>>
>

Proba con la configuracion que te envie y decime, si no, habilita el
debug y envianos los logs, a ver si podemos ver que esta fallandote!

Re: Problemas con samba

[Fernando Romero]

Hola Oddiex, tuve algunos otros problemas mas urgentes y recién termine con
este.
Si lo resolvi a medias ya me salto otro error, tengo corriendo la versión
smb1 y el cliente me pide la smb2.
Estuve leyendo y en el smb.conf agregue:

min protocol = SMS2

Pero igual los cliente con smb2 siguen sin conectarse.

Como puedo chequear si realmente me esta levantando el SMB2?

Saludos

El 7 de junio de 2018, 15:28, OddieX  escribió:

> El día 4 de junio de 2018, 10:41, Fernando Romero
>  escribió:
> > Gracias por tu respuesta Oddiex, una pregunta mas, la pc en Windows esta
> en
> > dominio y  el Linux no, en el workgroup va en dominio en que esta el
> > Windows?
> >
> > Saludos
> >
> > El 4 de junio de 2018, 10:23, OddieX  escribió:
> >>
> >> 2018-06-04 9:35 GMT-03:00 Fernando Romero :
> >> > Hola como están.
> >> > Estoy tratando de compartir una carpeta, para que se pueda mapear en
> >> > Windows
> >> > sin usuario pero no me aparece en la red, probé con usuario y sin
> >> > usuario y
> >> > no la puedo mapear.
> >> > Este es mi conf de smb.conf
> >> >
> >> > [global]
> >> > workgroup = ORACLE
> >> > server string = shadow
> >> > interfaces = lo, eth0, 192.168.0.0/24
> >> > security = SHARE
> >> > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers
> >> > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
> >> > max log size = 50
> >> > wins support = Yes
> >> > hosts allow = 127., 192.168.0.
> >> > cups options = raw
> >> > [homes]
> >> > comment = Home Directories
> >> > path = /home/samba/compartido
> >> > read only = No
> >> > create mask = 0770
> >> > directory mask = 0770
> >> > guest ok = Yes
> >> > [printers]
> >> > comment = All Printers
> >> > path = /var/spool/samba
> >> > printable = Yes
> >> > browseable = No
> >> > [file]
> >> > comment = compartido
> >> > path = /home/file
> >> > read only = No
> >> > guest ok = Yes
> >> >
> >> > El compartido es /home/file probé también con el
> /home/samba/compartido,
> >> > que
> >> > estoy haciendo mal?
> >> >
> >> > Saludos y gracias
> >>
> >> Fernando, proba agregar lo siguiente:
> >>
> >> En el global:
> >>
> >>netbios name = fileserver
> >>
> >> En la config de cada carpeta:
> >> browseable = yes
> >>
> >>
> >> Tambien obviamente, tenes que tener el mismo workgroup "ORACLE" en tu
> >> caso, como grupo de trabajo en windows tambien...
> >>
> >> Y si no te funciona aun, forzale por que interfaz salga y algunos
> >> otros parametros que quiza ayuden:
> >>
> >>interfaces = lo eth0
> >>bind interfaces only = yes
> >>
> >> Y tambien chequea de forzar que no este en modo AD:
> >>
> >>domain master = no
> >>preferred master = no
> >>
> >>
> >> Fijate si alguna de esas cosas te ayudan a resolver el problema...
> >>
> >
>
>
> Fernando, no nos has dicho si solucionaste el problema y me di cuenta
> que lo ultimo te lo habia contestado a vos solo y no a la lista, de
> todos modos revisando un equipo viejo que usaba de fileserver en un
> cliente me encontre con la configuracion que vos buscas, te la dejo a
> ver si te sirve.
>
> [global]
>workgroup = WORKGROUP
>server string = %h server
>log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
>max log size = 1000
>syslog = 0
>panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d
>security = user
>encrypt passwords = true
>passdb backend = tdbsam
>obey pam restrictions = yes
>unix password sync = yes
>passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
>passwd chat = *Enter\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n
> *Retype\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n *password\supdated\ssuccessfully* .
>pam password change = yes
>map to guest = bad user
>usershare allow guests = yes
>
> [Fileserver]
>comment = Fileserver
>read only = no
>path = /srv
>guest ok = yes
>browseable = yes
>
>
> Hay cosas que estan de mas, pero funciona perfectamente.
>
> Avisa si te funciona y solucionaste el problema.
>
> Saludos!
>
>

Re: The Internet locks up Buster

[Borden Rhodes]

> I.e. 12309 bug is back. It's obscure and presumably fixed (at least four
> times fixed) bug that happens with relatively slow filesystem (be it
> SSD/HDD/NFS or whatever) and a large amount of free RAM. I first
> encountered the thing back in 2.6.18 days, where it was presumably
> implemented (as in - nobody complained before ;).

Thank you, Reco and Abdullah, for providing some very helpful
information. I'll retest with the kernel parameters. I went over to
https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12309 and it seems they've
closed the bug and/or given up on this. Is there any value in
continuing to whine about this problem? I mean, it's not like
large-capacity RAM is going away.

Re: Problemas con samba

[OddieX]

El día 4 de junio de 2018, 10:41, Fernando Romero
 escribió:
> Gracias por tu respuesta Oddiex, una pregunta mas, la pc en Windows esta en
> dominio y  el Linux no, en el workgroup va en dominio en que esta el
> Windows?
>
> Saludos
>
> El 4 de junio de 2018, 10:23, OddieX  escribió:
>>
>> 2018-06-04 9:35 GMT-03:00 Fernando Romero :
>> > Hola como están.
>> > Estoy tratando de compartir una carpeta, para que se pueda mapear en
>> > Windows
>> > sin usuario pero no me aparece en la red, probé con usuario y sin
>> > usuario y
>> > no la puedo mapear.
>> > Este es mi conf de smb.conf
>> >
>> > [global]
>> > workgroup = ORACLE
>> > server string = shadow
>> > interfaces = lo, eth0, 192.168.0.0/24
>> > security = SHARE
>> > username map = /etc/samba/smbusers
>> > log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log
>> > max log size = 50
>> > wins support = Yes
>> > hosts allow = 127., 192.168.0.
>> > cups options = raw
>> > [homes]
>> > comment = Home Directories
>> > path = /home/samba/compartido
>> > read only = No
>> > create mask = 0770
>> > directory mask = 0770
>> > guest ok = Yes
>> > [printers]
>> > comment = All Printers
>> > path = /var/spool/samba
>> > printable = Yes
>> > browseable = No
>> > [file]
>> > comment = compartido
>> > path = /home/file
>> > read only = No
>> > guest ok = Yes
>> >
>> > El compartido es /home/file probé también con el /home/samba/compartido,
>> > que
>> > estoy haciendo mal?
>> >
>> > Saludos y gracias
>>
>> Fernando, proba agregar lo siguiente:
>>
>> En el global:
>>
>>netbios name = fileserver
>>
>> En la config de cada carpeta:
>> browseable = yes
>>
>>
>> Tambien obviamente, tenes que tener el mismo workgroup "ORACLE" en tu
>> caso, como grupo de trabajo en windows tambien...
>>
>> Y si no te funciona aun, forzale por que interfaz salga y algunos
>> otros parametros que quiza ayuden:
>>
>>interfaces = lo eth0
>>bind interfaces only = yes
>>
>> Y tambien chequea de forzar que no este en modo AD:
>>
>>domain master = no
>>preferred master = no
>>
>>
>> Fijate si alguna de esas cosas te ayudan a resolver el problema...
>>
>


Fernando, no nos has dicho si solucionaste el problema y me di cuenta
que lo ultimo te lo habia contestado a vos solo y no a la lista, de
todos modos revisando un equipo viejo que usaba de fileserver en un
cliente me encontre con la configuracion que vos buscas, te la dejo a
ver si te sirve.

[global]
   workgroup = WORKGROUP
   server string = %h server
   log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
   max log size = 1000
   syslog = 0
   panic action = /usr/share/samba/panic-action %d
   security = user
   encrypt passwords = true
   passdb backend = tdbsam
   obey pam restrictions = yes
   unix password sync = yes
   passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
   passwd chat = *Enter\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n
*Retype\snew\s*\spassword:* %n\n *password\supdated\ssuccessfully* .
   pam password change = yes
   map to guest = bad user
   usershare allow guests = yes

[Fileserver]
   comment = Fileserver
   read only = no
   path = /srv
   guest ok = yes
   browseable = yes


Hay cosas que estan de mas, pero funciona perfectamente.

Avisa si te funciona y solucionaste el problema.

Saludos!

Re: Ya tengo otro curso disponible

[José Betancourt Mondeja]

envia la url a todos

El 7/6/18, Juan Lavieri  escribió:
> Hola divagante.
>
> Respecto a lo que planteas:
>
> El 7/6/2018 a las 11:31 a.m., divagante escribió:
>> El 02/06/18 a las 15:56, Galvatorix Torixgalva escribió:
>>> Buenas,
>>>
>>> ya tengo otro videocurso disponible sobre Debian, este esta enfocado a
>>> la gente que empieza.
>>>
>>> Los que esten interesados que me manden correo privado y les paso la
>>> url.
>>>
>>> P.D.: no estoy seguro si esta es la forma mas correcta de hacer esto,
>>> la idea de dar la url por correo privado es con la intencion de evitar
>>> spam.
>>
>>   Esto es algo que tendríamos que hablar entre los listeros.
>
> En este caso particular no le veo mucho sentido, pero una buena
> conversación nunca está demás.
>
>> Creo yo nomas, que la lista esta para plantear problemas "y quizas"
>> hasta noticias que se desarrollen dentro del ambiente y sistema Oficial
>> de Debian. Y por supuesto, tambien para hallar soluciones o exponer
>> puntos de vista.
>
> Aunque ese planteamineto suena y de hecho es muy lógico, no es
> exactamente como está expuesto en la documentación oficial (código de
> conducta) que se encuentra en:
>
> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
>
> Allí dice (lo pego para que no tengan necesidad de ir allá):
>
> Las listas de correo existen para promover el desarrollo y uso de
> Debian. Mensajes no constructivos, o fuera de tema, u otro tipo de
> abusos no son bienvenidos.
>
>
> Respecto al mensaje que causa esta intervención cabe preguntarse:
> ¿Promueve el desarrollo y uso de debian?  Siendo un curso de utilización
> de Debian para principiantes, pareciera que si.
>
> ¿Se trata de un mensaje no constructivo?  Pienso que no.
> ¿Fuera de tema?  Mi apreciación es que es pertinente.
> ¿Es abusivo?  Parece haber sido escrito con mucha discrección.  Se
> informa qué es lo que contiene y se invita a participar en privado.  Ni
> siquiera tiene un enlace sino que invita a solicitar el enlace via email.
>
>
>>   Pero, si alguien particular, que no participa del equipo de desarrollo
>> de Debian, realiza aun con muy buena onda un curso sobre este sistema y
>> lo publica aquí es valido eso? esta bien?
>
> Creo que el hecho de que alguien no forme parte del equipo de desarrollo
> no lo descalifica para ser un buen usuario e intentar compartir sus
> conocimientos.
>
> De seguir ese punto de vista nadie podría dar su opinión sobre nada
> porque no son muchas las cosas que desarrollamos.  Por ejemplo, nadie
> podría dar un curso sobre como usar mejor la leche de vaca ya que no
> somos vacas.
>
>>   Invito a la reflexión.
>>   Desde ya que si tal cosa sucede en la búsqueda del afán lucro o
>> beneficio personal resulta de un pésimo mal gusto.
>
> En este punto no se.  Yo fui uno de los pidió en enlace.  No he visto el
> curso, pero entré en el primer video por pocos segundo;  pero no
> recuerdo haber pagado nada.
>
> ¿Cuénto tuviste que pagar?
>
> Por otro lado hay que recordar que aunque algo sea software libre, no
> tiene porque ser gratuito.
>
> (no se que tipo de licencia tiene ese curso)
>
>
>>
>>   Recuerdo que alguien aquí, quizas tu, quizas otra persona (seguramente
>> un bipedo implume como supo decir platon) publico unos cursos que
>> probablemente estaban bien echos y resultaban de utilidad, inclusive
>> algunos se podían ver sin restricciones pero visitando tal pagina no
>> tardabas en encontrarte con algún plan o botoncito web para ofrecerlos
>> completos por "un módico costo", o algo similar.
>>   Y de lo que no tengo duda alguna, es que la lista no esta para
>> anunciar productos o servicios. Para eso esta mercadolibre, google,
>> alibaba o ebay
>
> Cierto no es el propósito de la lista.
>
>> -inclusive la firma de tu mail.. shh! no digas nada-
>>
>
> No comment.
>
>>   Al menos en esta ocasión, existe el recato de preguntar por
>> interesados y no publicar el link.
>>
>
> Cierto, ya comentado.
>
>>   Quien quiera pensarlo o directamente dar su formado punto de vista,
>> puede continuar el hilo. Yo como estoy desempleado y me canse de mandar
>> curriculums, lo hice por ejemplo.
>
> Bienvenido al clan de los desempleados.
>
>
>>
>>   Saludos a los debianitas.
>>
>
> Son solo mis opiniones sin ánimo de ofender ni polemizar.
>
> Saludos.
>
> --
> Errar es de humanos, pero es mas humano culpar a los demás
>
>

Re: Debian 9 x64 wine32

[---]

Here is the output of:

apt-get -t stretch-backports install wine wine32 wine64 libwine 
libwine:i386 fonts-wine



The following additional packages will be installed:
  gstreamer1.0-plugins-base:i386 i965-va-driver:i386 libasound2:i386
  libasound2-plugins:i386 libasyncns0:i386 libavahi-client3:i386
  libavahi-common-data:i386 libavahi-common3:i386 libavcodec57:i386
  libavresample3:i386 libavutil55:i386 libblkid1:i386 libbsd0:i386
  libcairo2:i386 libcap2:i386 libcapi20-3 libcapi20-3:i386 
libcdparanoia0:i386

  libcom-err2:i386 libcrystalhd3:i386 libcups2:i386 libdb5.3:i386
  libdbus-1-3:i386 libdrm-amdgpu1:i386 libdrm-intel1:i386 
libdrm-nouveau2:i386
  libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2:i386 libedit2:i386 libelf1:i386 
libexif12:i386

  libexpat1:i386 libffi6:i386 libflac8:i386 libfontconfig1:i386
  libfreetype6:i386 libgcrypt20:i386 libgd3:i386 libgl1 libgl1:i386
  libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
  libglapi-mesa libglapi-mesa:i386 libgles2 libgles2-mesa libglib2.0-0:i386
  libglu1-mesa:i386 libglvnd0 libglvnd0:i386 libglx-mesa0 libglx-mesa0:i386
  libglx0 libglx0:i386 libgmp10:i386 libgnutls30:i386 libgomp1:i386
  libgpg-error0:i386 libgphoto2-6:i386 libgphoto2-port12:i386 libgpm2:i386
  libgsm1:i386 libgssapi-krb5-2:i386 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0:i386
  libgstreamer1.0-0:i386 libhogweed4:i386 libice6:i386 libicu57:i386
  libidn11:i386 libieee1284-3:i386 libjack-jackd2-0:i386 libjbig0:i386
  libjpeg62-turbo:i386 libk5crypto3:i386 libkeyutils1:i386 libkrb5-3:i386
  libkrb5support0:i386 liblcms2-2:i386 libldap-2.4-2:i386 libllvm5.0
  libllvm5.0:i386 libltdl7:i386 liblz4-1:i386 libmount1:i386 
libmp3lame0:i386

  libmpg123-0:i386 libncurses5:i386 libnettle6:i386 libnuma1:i386
  libodbc1:i386 libogg0:i386 libopenal1:i386 libopenjp2-7:i386 
libopus0:i386

  liborc-0.4-0:i386 libosmesa6 libosmesa6:i386 libp11-kit0:i386
  libpcap0.8:i386 libpciaccess0:i386 libpixman-1-0:i386 libpng16-16:i386
  libpulse0:i386 libsamplerate0:i386 libsane:i386 libsane-extras:i386
  libsasl2-2:i386 libsasl2-modules:i386 libsasl2-modules-db:i386
  libsensors4:i386 libshine3:i386 libsm6:i386 libsnappy1v5:i386
  libsndfile1:i386 libsndio6.1:i386 libsoxr0:i386 libspeex1:i386
  libspeexdsp1:i386 libssl1.1:i386 libstdc++6:i386 libswresample2:i386
  libsystemd0:i386 libtasn1-6:i386 libtheora0:i386 libtiff5:i386
  libtwolame0:i386 libudev1:i386 libusb-1.0-0:i386 libv4l-0:i386
  libv4lconvert0:i386 libva-drm1:i386 libva-x11-1:i386 libva1:i386
  libvdpau-va-gl1:i386 libvdpau1:i386 libvisual-0.4-0:i386 libvorbis0a:i386
  libvorbisenc2:i386 libvpx4:i386 libwavpack1:i386 libwebp6:i386
  libwebpmux2:i386 libwrap0:i386 libx11-6:i386 libx11-xcb1:i386
  libx264-148:i386 libx265-95:i386 libxau6:i386 libxcb-dri2-0:i386
  libxcb-dri3-0:i386 libxcb-glx0:i386 libxcb-present0:i386 
libxcb-render0:i386

  libxcb-shm0:i386 libxcb-sync1:i386 libxcb-xfixes0:i386 libxcb1:i386
  libxcomposite1:i386 libxcursor1:i386 libxdamage1:i386 libxdmcp6:i386
  libxext6:i386 libxfixes3:i386 libxi6:i386 libxinerama1:i386 libxml2:i386
  libxpm4:i386 libxrandr2:i386 libxrender1:i386 libxshmfence1:i386
  libxslt1.1:i386 libxtst6:i386 libxvidcore4:i386 libxxf86vm1:i386
  libzvbi0:i386 mesa-common-dev mesa-va-drivers mesa-va-drivers:i386
  mesa-vdpau-drivers mesa-vdpau-drivers:i386 ocl-icd-libopencl1:i386
  va-driver-all:i386 vdpau-driver-all:i386

Suggested packages:
  gvfs:i386 firmware-crystalhd:i386 rng-tools:i386 libgd-tools:i386
  gnutls-bin:i386 gphoto2:i386 gpm:i386 krb5-doc:i386 krb5-user:i386
  libvisual-0.4-plugins:i386 gstreamer1.0-tools:i386 jackd2:i386
  libmyodbc:i386 odbc-postgresql:i386 tdsodbc:i386 unixodbc-bin:i386
  libportaudio2:i386 opus-tools:i386 hplip:i386
  libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit:i386 | libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal:i386
  libsasl2-modules-ldap:i386 libsasl2-modules-otp:i386
  libsasl2-modules-sql:i386 lm-sensors:i386 sndiod:i386 speex:i386
  ttf-mscorefonts-installer ttf-mscorefonts-installer:i386 opencl-icd:i386
  libfglrx-amdxvba1:i386 nvidia-vdpau-driver:i386
  nvidia-legacy-340xx-vdpau-driver:i386 
nvidia-legacy-304xx-vdpau-driver:i386

  winetricks playonlinux wine-binfmt dosbox libwine-gecko-2.47:i386
  wine32-preloader:i386 libwine-gecko-2.47 wine64-preloader

Following packages will be removed:
  libgl1-mesa-dev libglu1-mesa-dev libqt4-opengl-dev

The following packages will be installed::
  gstreamer1.0-plugins-base:i386 i965-va-driver:i386 libasound2:i386
  libasound2-plugins:i386 libasyncns0:i386 libavahi-client3:i386
  libavahi-common-data:i386 libavahi-common3:i386 libavcodec57:i386
  libavresample3:i386 libavutil55:i386 libblkid1:i386 libbsd0:i386
  libcairo2:i386 libcap2:i386 libcapi20-3 libcapi20-3:i386 
libcdparanoia0:i386

  libcom-err2:i386 libcrystalhd3:i386 libcups2:i386 libdb5.3:i386
  libdbus-1-3:i386 libdrm-amdgpu1:i386 libdrm-intel1:i386 
libdrm-nouveau2:i386
  libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2:i386 libedit2:i386 libelf1:i386 
libexif12:i386

  libexpat1:i386 libffi6:i386 

Re: Debian on new hardware: ASUS UX430U notebook PC

[Reco]

Hi.

On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 07:18:47PM +0200, Toby Young wrote:
> Greetings.
> 
> I have successfully installed debian (buster) on my ASUS UX430U and have
> been using it for around one month without any severe problems. There are
> however, some minor issues, that I would like to share with the community.
> (This notebook does not appear on debian's supported hardware list and can
> be - almost everything works out of the box after some minor tweaks!).
> 
> Question: Is this information wanted?

Yet, definitely. The more hardware end up at [1] - the better.


> If so, how do I proceed to add this
> information to the debian "supported hardware" set?

Register an account at [1]. Create your own page. Fill the gory details
in. Please mention the need of non-free firmware/out-of-tree kernel
modules if applicable.


> How do I maintain this
> information as possible fixes to some minor problems are found?

Previous part pretty much covers it.

Reco

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/it/InstallingDebianOn

Debian on new hardware: ASUS UX430U notebook PC

[Toby Young]

Greetings.

I have successfully installed debian (buster) on my ASUS UX430U and have
been using it for around one month without any severe problems. There are
however, some minor issues, that I would like to share with the community.
(This notebook does not appear on debian's supported hardware list and can
be - almost everything works out of the box after some minor tweaks!).

Question: Is this information wanted? If so, how do I proceed to add this
information to the debian "supported hardware" set? How do I maintain this
information as possible fixes to some minor problems are found?

SOrry if the answer is obvious and I missed something.   :-)
Thanks!

Best,
   Toby

Re: Ya tengo otro curso disponible

[Juan Lavieri]

Hola divagante.

Respecto a lo que planteas:

El 7/6/2018 a las 11:31 a.m., divagante escribió:

El 02/06/18 a las 15:56, Galvatorix Torixgalva escribió:

Buenas,

ya tengo otro videocurso disponible sobre Debian, este esta enfocado a 
la gente que empieza.


Los que esten interesados que me manden correo privado y les paso la url.

P.D.: no estoy seguro si esta es la forma mas correcta de hacer esto, 
la idea de dar la url por correo privado es con la intencion de evitar 
spam.


  Esto es algo que tendríamos que hablar entre los listeros.


En este caso particular no le veo mucho sentido, pero una buena 
conversación nunca está demás.


Creo yo nomas, que la lista esta para plantear problemas "y quizas" 
hasta noticias que se desarrollen dentro del ambiente y sistema Oficial 
de Debian. Y por supuesto, tambien para hallar soluciones o exponer 
puntos de vista.


Aunque ese planteamineto suena y de hecho es muy lógico, no es 
exactamente como está expuesto en la documentación oficial (código de 
conducta) que se encuentra en:


https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

Allí dice (lo pego para que no tengan necesidad de ir allá):

Las listas de correo existen para promover el desarrollo y uso de 
Debian. Mensajes no constructivos, o fuera de tema, u otro tipo de 
abusos no son bienvenidos.



Respecto al mensaje que causa esta intervención cabe preguntarse: 
¿Promueve el desarrollo y uso de debian?  Siendo un curso de utilización 
de Debian para principiantes, pareciera que si.


¿Se trata de un mensaje no constructivo?  Pienso que no.
¿Fuera de tema?  Mi apreciación es que es pertinente.
¿Es abusivo?  Parece haber sido escrito con mucha discrección.  Se 
informa qué es lo que contiene y se invita a participar en privado.  Ni 
siquiera tiene un enlace sino que invita a solicitar el enlace via email.



  Pero, si alguien particular, que no participa del equipo de desarrollo 
de Debian, realiza aun con muy buena onda un curso sobre este sistema y 
lo publica aquí es valido eso? esta bien?


Creo que el hecho de que alguien no forme parte del equipo de desarrollo 
no lo descalifica para ser un buen usuario e intentar compartir sus 
conocimientos.


De seguir ese punto de vista nadie podría dar su opinión sobre nada 
porque no son muchas las cosas que desarrollamos.  Por ejemplo, nadie 
podría dar un curso sobre como usar mejor la leche de vaca ya que no 
somos vacas.



  Invito a la reflexión.
  Desde ya que si tal cosa sucede en la búsqueda del afán lucro o 
beneficio personal resulta de un pésimo mal gusto.


En este punto no se.  Yo fui uno de los pidió en enlace.  No he visto el 
curso, pero entré en el primer video por pocos segundo;  pero no 
recuerdo haber pagado nada.


¿Cuénto tuviste que pagar?

Por otro lado hay que recordar que aunque algo sea software libre, no 
tiene porque ser gratuito.


(no se que tipo de licencia tiene ese curso)




  Recuerdo que alguien aquí, quizas tu, quizas otra persona (seguramente 
un bipedo implume como supo decir platon) publico unos cursos que 
probablemente estaban bien echos y resultaban de utilidad, inclusive 
algunos se podían ver sin restricciones pero visitando tal pagina no 
tardabas en encontrarte con algún plan o botoncito web para ofrecerlos 
completos por "un módico costo", o algo similar.
  Y de lo que no tengo duda alguna, es que la lista no esta para 
anunciar productos o servicios. Para eso esta mercadolibre, google, 
alibaba o ebay


Cierto no es el propósito de la lista.


-inclusive la firma de tu mail.. shh! no digas nada-



No comment.

  Al menos en esta ocasión, existe el recato de preguntar por 
interesados y no publicar el link.




Cierto, ya comentado.

  Quien quiera pensarlo o directamente dar su formado punto de vista, 
puede continuar el hilo. Yo como estoy desempleado y me canse de mandar 
curriculums, lo hice por ejemplo.


Bienvenido al clan de los desempleados.




  Saludos a los debianitas.



Son solo mis opiniones sin ánimo de ofender ni polemizar.

Saludos.

--
Errar es de humanos, pero es mas humano culpar a los demás

Re: Ya tengo otro curso disponible

[divagante]

El 02/06/18 a las 15:56, Galvatorix Torixgalva escribió:

Buenas,

ya tengo otro videocurso disponible sobre Debian, este esta enfocado a 
la gente que empieza.


Los que esten interesados que me manden correo privado y les paso la url.

P.D.: no estoy seguro si esta es la forma mas correcta de hacer esto, la 
idea de dar la url por correo privado es con la intencion de evitar spam.


 Esto es algo que tendríamos que hablar entre los listeros.
Creo yo nomas, que la lista esta para plantear problemas "y quizas" 
hasta noticias que se desarrollen dentro del ambiente y sistema Oficial 
de Debian. Y por supuesto, tambien para hallar soluciones o exponer 
puntos de vista.
 Pero, si alguien particular, que no participa del equipo de desarrollo 
de Debian, realiza aun con muy buena onda un curso sobre este sistema y 
lo publica aquí es valido eso? esta bien?

 Invito a la reflexión.
 Desde ya que si tal cosa sucede en la búsqueda del afán lucro o 
beneficio personal resulta de un pésimo mal gusto.


 Recuerdo que alguien aquí, quizas tu, quizas otra persona (seguramente 
un bipedo implume como supo decir platon) publico unos cursos que 
probablemente estaban bien echos y resultaban de utilidad, inclusive 
algunos se podían ver sin restricciones pero visitando tal pagina no 
tardabas en encontrarte con algún plan o botoncito web para ofrecerlos 
completos por "un módico costo", o algo similar.
 Y de lo que no tengo duda alguna, es que la lista no esta para 
anunciar productos o servicios. Para eso esta mercadolibre, google, 
alibaba o ebay

-inclusive la firma de tu mail.. shh! no digas nada-

 Al menos en esta ocasión, existe el recato de preguntar por 
interesados y no publicar el link.


 Quien quiera pensarlo o directamente dar su formado punto de vista, 
puede continuar el hilo. Yo como estoy desempleado y me canse de mandar 
curriculums, lo hice por ejemplo.


 Saludos a los debianitas.

Re: USB "null modem" cables and related Linux driver questions

[Michael Stone]

On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 08:07:15AM +0100, Tixy wrote:

On Wed, 2018-06-06 at 22:26 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

Richard Owlett  writes:

> I have two computers with USB ports.
> I wish them to communicate as simply as mid-20th-century computers
> did.
> Then we used RS232-C with a null modem &/or  appropriate software
> software at both ends.
>
> The underlying problem is that both ends egotistically expect to be
> *MASTER*.
>
> The hardware problem is solvable
> [e.g. http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBtoUSB.htm].

Given how FTDI does things, I'd be really surprised if this didn't
meet
your desires.  Have you actually tried it?  Are you sure there is no
driver in the kernel?


There is a driver in Linux because, from what the datasheet says, that
cable is two of FTDIs standard USB-to-serial chips wired together. I.e.
it's equivalent to getting 2 USB to serial cables and connecting them
with a null modem cable.


Yes, that's right. I have no idea why someone would want to do that, but 
that's exactly what it is.


There are also usb transfer cables which are basically a proprietary 
FIFO buffer with a usb master on both sides, which allow higher speed 
networking.  (Which at least seems more useful than going through a 
RS-232 conversion, but much more limited than an actual network. In some 
cases where you want more than gigabit speeds and will never have more 
than two computers it might be useful. I'm not sure how many of them can 
connect machines with different OSs, either. This is the "laplink" style 
connection.)


If you want a true, standardized, network session over your peripheral 
connection, then get firewire. (This is what not having a bus master 
allows.) It'll be old hardware, because it turns out that nobody 
actually wanted to pay more so that every device could be a master, and 
so firewire died. But once upon a time, this was one of its big 
advantages over usb.


Mike Stone

Re: The Internet locks up Buster

[Abdullah Ramazanoğlu]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 05:38:20 -0400 Borden Rhodes said:

> I use KDE. That may be part of the problem.
> 
> I can trigger OOM with only with a browser (Firefox or Chromium) open
> because it leaks memory on certain websites. Of course, I can trigger
> it more quickly with other programs like LibreOffice running. I can
> avoid some of those websites, but I'd rather have my computer not lock
> up. I have more than enough RAM to run a modern operating system.
> 
> So, with this information, how do I get OOM or some other
> anti-resource-hogging system working on Linux so my computer doesn't
> lock up? Did my kern.log provide any useful information? The stuff I
> posted at https://paste.debian.net/1028268/ is all that got logged
> during the lock up.

TBH I didn't look at the logs. At first, I thought it was a typical thrashing
situation (where no OOM-killer would really help), but it turns out to be a
kernel bug instead.

Please see Reco's latest followups, and both Reco's and my suggestions about it.

Regards
-- 
Abdullah Ramazanoğlu

Re: The Internet locks up Buster

[Abdullah Ramazanoğlu]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 11:48:54 +0300 Reco said:
> On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 11:05:27AM +0300, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:52:01 +0300 Reco said:
> > 
> > [--8<--]
> >   
> > > Limit the size of dirty blocks cache. Kernel defaults are insanely large.
> > > What I'm using here is:
> > > 
> > > $ cat /etc/sysctl.d/12309.conf
> > > vm.dirty_ratio=5
> > > vm.dirty_background_ratio=5  
> > 
> > I have added the line below to /etc/crontab for different reasons (better FS
> > resilience), but it might help to circumvent this bug too.
> > 
> > * * * * * root /bin/sync  
> 
> Here our approaches differ. I'm a strong believer of 'kernel does not
> need userspace kludges' principle.
> Yours is what Red Hat is using these days - 'we wrote a userspace tool
> for that'.
> 
> To each its own, I guess.

I'm also a strong believer of 'kernel *should* not need user-space kludges'
principle. But if/when it needs, then I am not too shy to apply them.

Regards
-- 
Abdullah Ramazanoğlu

Re: The Internet locks up Buster

[Borden Rhodes]

> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 01:32:27 +0300
> The first questions regarding Out Of Memory situation is, how much memory do
> you have, and what Desktop Environment and active programs (other than the
> browser) have you been using when OOM-killer got triggered?

I use KDE. That may be part of the problem.

I can trigger OOM with only with a browser (Firefox or Chromium) open
because it leaks memory on certain websites. Of course, I can trigger
it more quickly with other programs like LibreOffice running. I can
avoid some of those websites, but I'd rather have my computer not lock
up. I have more than enough RAM to run a modern operating system.

So, with this information, how do I get OOM or some other
anti-resource-hogging system working on Linux so my computer doesn't
lock up? Did my kern.log provide any useful information? The stuff I
posted at https://paste.debian.net/1028268/ is all that got logged
during the lock up.

Re: USB "null modem" cables and related Linux driver questions

[Curt]

On 2018-06-07, Joe Pfeiffer  wrote:
>
> This depends on what you mean by "universal".  It was intended to be a
> protocol for computers to use to communicate with peripherals;
> "universal" in this context was restricted to peripherals.

And to the planet earth rather than all the way to the furthest reaches
of the cosmos and back as I doubt whether the folks living out by
Kepler-16 have much use for them.

Re: The Internet locks up Buster

[Reco]

Hi.

On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 11:05:27AM +0300, Abdullah Ramazanoğlu wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:52:01 +0300 Reco said:
> 
> [--8<--]
> 
> > I.e. 12309 bug is back. It's obscure and presumably fixed (at least four
> > times fixed) bug that happens with relatively slow filesystem (be it
> > SSD/HDD/NFS or whatever) and a large amount of free RAM. I first
> > encountered the thing back in 2.6.18 days, where it was presumably
> > implemented (as in - nobody complained before ;).
> > 
> > The idea behind that bug is simple - first, the kernel accumulates a
> > certain amount of 'dirty' (i.e. changed) filesystem blocks. Since the
> > amount of free RAM is large, the amount of such blocks is huge too.
> > Next, kernel realizes that it's time for a 'barrier write' - everything
> > that was happening before the barrier must be written onto persistent
> > storage. And since it's 'barrier write time', everyone at userspace are
> > blocked from making new changes for the existing filesystems, i.e.
> > everyone are blocked on I/O.
> > Since the amount of dirty blocks is huge, and the filesystem is slow -
> > the kernel takes its time and writes dirty blocks. But - it writes them
> > slowly, and new I/O requests are accumulating faster than it's possible
> > for the kernel to write them. Hence the lookup.
> > 
> > > So, as I think you suggested, it seems that OOM-killer isn't getting
> > > in quickly enough to kill a program and/or not working correctly.
> > > 
> > > Suggestions?  
> > 
> > Limit the size of dirty blocks cache. Kernel defaults are insanely large.
> > What I'm using here is:
> > 
> > $ cat /etc/sysctl.d/12309.conf
> > vm.dirty_ratio=5
> > vm.dirty_background_ratio=5
> 
> I have added the line below to /etc/crontab for different reasons (better FS
> resilience), but it might help to circumvent this bug too.
> 
> * * * * * root /bin/sync

Here our approaches differ. I'm a strong believer of 'kernel does not
need userspace kludges' principle.
Yours is what Red Hat is using these days - 'we wrote a userspace tool
for that'.

To each its own, I guess.

Reco

Re: The Internet locks up Buster

[Abdullah Ramazanoğlu]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 10:52:01 +0300 Reco said:

[--8<--]

> I.e. 12309 bug is back. It's obscure and presumably fixed (at least four
> times fixed) bug that happens with relatively slow filesystem (be it
> SSD/HDD/NFS or whatever) and a large amount of free RAM. I first
> encountered the thing back in 2.6.18 days, where it was presumably
> implemented (as in - nobody complained before ;).
> 
> The idea behind that bug is simple - first, the kernel accumulates a
> certain amount of 'dirty' (i.e. changed) filesystem blocks. Since the
> amount of free RAM is large, the amount of such blocks is huge too.
> Next, kernel realizes that it's time for a 'barrier write' - everything
> that was happening before the barrier must be written onto persistent
> storage. And since it's 'barrier write time', everyone at userspace are
> blocked from making new changes for the existing filesystems, i.e.
> everyone are blocked on I/O.
> Since the amount of dirty blocks is huge, and the filesystem is slow -
> the kernel takes its time and writes dirty blocks. But - it writes them
> slowly, and new I/O requests are accumulating faster than it's possible
> for the kernel to write them. Hence the lookup.
> 
> > So, as I think you suggested, it seems that OOM-killer isn't getting
> > in quickly enough to kill a program and/or not working correctly.
> > 
> > Suggestions?  
> 
> Limit the size of dirty blocks cache. Kernel defaults are insanely large.
> What I'm using here is:
> 
> $ cat /etc/sysctl.d/12309.conf
> vm.dirty_ratio=5
> vm.dirty_background_ratio=5

I have added the line below to /etc/crontab for different reasons (better FS
resilience), but it might help to circumvent this bug too.

* * * * * root /bin/sync

Regards
-- 
Abdullah Ramazanoğlu

Re: The Internet locks up Buster

[Reco]

Hi.

On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 05:51:34PM -0400, Borden Rhodes wrote:
> On 6 June 2018 at 15:26,   wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 09:25:25PM -0400, Borden Rhodes wrote:
> >> During the freeze, hard drive activity goes through the roof. Yes, my
> >> hard drive is fine and works normally when doing anything else. I also
> >> don't get these lockups when browsing in Windows.
> >
> > That looks like an OOM-killer that's desperately trying to free some RAM.
> > Or good old 12309 bug.
> >
> > Please share the contents of /var/log/kern.log that correspond to the
> > time of the problem. Any single one will do.
> >
> > Reco
> 
> Thank you very much for following up, Reco. I had no difficulty
> triggering a hard drive thrash (thank you, Linotype!), and the problem
> is definitely memory-related. I managed to stabilise my system by
> increasing the swap partition. Unfortunately, the hard drive didn't
> stop thrashing and after an hour I gave up and hard-powered off. I
> did, however, save this kernel log from 20 minutes into the OOM
> https://paste.debian.net/1028268/ (link's good until 9 June)

Thanks. But it's not OOM-killer. It's this kernel thread that's blocking
your userspace:

Jun  6 16:47:06 Debian kernel: [15588.272422] INFO: task btrfs-transacti:1301 
blocked for more than 120 seconds.
Jun  6 16:47:06 Debian kernel: [15588.272430]   Not tainted 4.16.0-2-amd64 
#1 Debian 4.16.12-1
Jun  6 16:47:06 Debian kernel: [15588.272433] "echo 0 > 
/proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
Jun  6 16:47:06 Debian kernel: [15588.272437] btrfs-transacti D0 1301  
2 0x8000

I.e. 12309 bug is back. It's obscure and presumably fixed (at least four
times fixed) bug that happens with relatively slow filesystem (be it
SSD/HDD/NFS or whatever) and a large amount of free RAM. I first
encountered the thing back in 2.6.18 days, where it was presumably
implemented (as in - nobody complained before ;).

The idea behind that bug is simple - first, the kernel accumulates a
certain amount of 'dirty' (i.e. changed) filesystem blocks. Since the
amount of free RAM is large, the amount of such blocks is huge too.
Next, kernel realizes that it's time for a 'barrier write' - everything
that was happening before the barrier must be written onto persistent
storage. And since it's 'barrier write time', everyone at userspace are
blocked from making new changes for the existing filesystems, i.e.
everyone are blocked on I/O.
Since the amount of dirty blocks is huge, and the filesystem is slow -
the kernel takes its time and writes dirty blocks. But - it writes them
slowly, and new I/O requests are accumulating faster than it's possible
for the kernel to write them. Hence the lookup.


> So, as I think you suggested, it seems that OOM-killer isn't getting
> in quickly enough to kill a program and/or not working correctly.
> 
> Suggestions?

Limit the size of dirty blocks cache. Kernel defaults are insanely large.
What I'm using here is:

$ cat /etc/sysctl.d/12309.conf
vm.dirty_ratio=5
vm.dirty_background_ratio=5

You may need to set lower, as these kernel tunables are percentage of
available RAM.
If you're using a laptop, you may also need to watch for userspace that
tries to modify those tunables (laptop-mode-tools come to mind).

Setting these tunable *will* lower your I/O throughput, but I'll take
slowness over the hangs every day.

Reco

Re: Trouble installing openedx on Debian9

[didier gaumet]

Le 07/06/2018 à 06:27, Sonu Sirvee a écrit :
> https://openedx.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/OpenOPS/pages/60227779/Open+edX+Installation+Options
> 
> it uses this vargrant machine(virtual one)... Is there any other way I
> can install edx on Debian without using virtual machine

I do not know if it is already in production or if it is still in a beta
stage, but open-edx has switched from Vargrant to Docker.

- there is a *native* version of open-edx for Ubuntu 16.04
- there is a older *native* version of open-edx for an older Ubuntu
- *Fullstack* is deprecated from Hawthorn release
- *Devstack* is vitualized or contained (Vargrant before, Docker now)
- *Manual* means you adapt the *native* method to your needs to install
and run on your OS, counting on your abilities because it is not
supported by open-edx nor your OS provider

Re: USB "null modem" cables and related Linux driver questions

[Tixy]

On Wed, 2018-06-06 at 22:26 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Richard Owlett  writes:
> 
> > I have two computers with USB ports.
> > I wish them to communicate as simply as mid-20th-century computers
> > did.
> > Then we used RS232-C with a null modem &/or  appropriate software
> > software at both ends.
> > 
> > The underlying problem is that both ends egotistically expect to be
> > *MASTER*.
> > 
> > The hardware problem is solvable
> > [e.g. http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBtoUSB.htm].
> 
> Given how FTDI does things, I'd be really surprised if this didn't
> meet
> your desires.  Have you actually tried it?  Are you sure there is no
> driver in the kernel?

There is a driver in Linux because, from what the datasheet says, that
cable is two of FTDIs standard USB-to-serial chips wired together. I.e.
it's equivalent to getting 2 USB to serial cables and connecting them
with a null modem cable.

-- 
Tixy