Re: Can't scan new disk

[Mark Allums]

On 2/17/19 10:59 PM, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote:

On 17.02.2019 1:21, Mark Allums wrote:

On 2/16/19 2:41 AM, Curt wrote:

On 2019-02-15, Mark Allums  wrote:
I just bought a new backup disk, and I want to check it. It's 
mounted in

a USB dock.

Running the following gives an error:

root@martha:~# umount /dev/sdb1
root@martha:~# e2fsck -c -c -C 0 -f -F -k -p /dev/sdb1
/dev/sdb1 is in use.
e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.

What's causing this and how do I fix it?  It's not MATE; I tried
rebooting to rescue mode, but that didn't help.

Mark


People sometimes recommend 'fuser' in cases like these in order to
identify processes that might be accessing the drive.

I mean, the message says '/dev/sdb1 is in use.' Perhaps it is indeed.

  fuser -v -m /dev/sdb1

Worth a try, maybe, as no one else seems to have suggested it.


root@martha:~# fuser -v -m /dev/sdb1
root@martha:~#

No results.  Thanks.

Mark

Maybe something simple like "lsof" command can shed some light on this 
problem?

     $ sudo lsof /dev/sdb
     $ sudo lsof /dev/sdb1


root@martha:~# lsof /dev/sdb
lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1001/gvfs
  Output information may be incomplete.
root@martha:~# lsof /dev/sdb1
lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1001/gvfs
  Output information may be incomplete.
root@martha:~#




Also show us an output of "gdisk" command:
     $ sudo gdisk -l /dev/sdb


root@martha:~# gdisk -l /dev/sdb
GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.3

Partition table scan:
  MBR: protective
  BSD: not present
  APM: not present
  GPT: present

Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.
Disk /dev/sdb: 23437770752 sectors, 10.9 TiB
Model: ST12000NE0007-2G
Sector size (logical/physical): 512/4096 bytes
Disk identifier (GUID): 6AFF425F-836E-4001-840E-FF40A0875F53
Partition table holds up to 128 entries
Main partition table begins at sector 2 and ends at sector 33
First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 23437770718
Partitions will be aligned on 2048-sector boundaries
Total free space is 4029 sectors (2.0 MiB)

Number  Start (sector)End (sector)  Size   Code  Name
   12048 23437768703   10.9 TiB8300
root@martha:~#

Mark

Re: Can't scan new disk

[David Christensen]

On 2/19/19 7:21 PM, Celejar wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:48:23 -0800
David Christensen  wrote:

AFAIK there are no commercial off the shelf (COTS) USB-SATA docks with
FOSS hardware (device), firmware (device), or software (device or host).
   (If somebody knows of any examples, please post the URL's.)


I'm still not sure what you're saying - there certainly are COTS
devices fully supported by FOSS software. E.g., I have a Syba
SY-ENC50091:

https://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route=product/product_id=885

It works fine under Debian without needing any non-free stuff, as far
as I recall.


The Syba USB-SATA dock works with Debian because the HDD manufacturer, 
Syba, the USB cable manufacturer, the computer manufacturer, and Debian 
have implemented everything needed for an end-to-end connection from the 
HDD firmware kernel to the Debian Linux kernel.  Standards facilitated 
that result.




If you're objecting to the hardware not being FOSS, my understanding
is that most useful hardware isn't. Is the SATA hardware itself FOSS?


I agree that, historically, hardware has often been closed-source.  But, 
similar to software, there are open-source hardware projects:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_hardware


David

Re: get my ip address

[David Wright]

On Sat 16 Feb 2019 at 11:16:23 (+0100), tony wrote:
> On 15/02/2019 16:52, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 15 Feb 2019 at 12:02:20 (+0100), Markus Schönhaber wrote:
> >> Tony, 15.2.2019, 11:11:29 +0100:
> >>
> >>> Debian 9. I need to read my IPv6 address into a python script.
> >>>
> >>> I am aware that I can call ip a and parse the result. The parsing,
> >>> whilst quite achievable, is slightly tricky, but I can manage the RE, so
> >>>  that's not my question.
> >>>
> >>> Is there any other way to obtain this data, maybe from /sys?
> >>
> >> Take a look at this:
> >> https://pypi.org/project/netifaces/
> >>
> >> This is packaged on stretch as python[3]-netifaces
> > 
> > That's probably best if your destination is a Python program.
> > 
> > Otherwise, for scripting, it's easy to overlook   ip -o a
> > which makes parsing much easier. But note that you may then
> > need to be more specific, eg compare
> > 
> > $ ip a
> > 
> > with
> > 
> > $ ip -o l
> > $ ip -o a
> 
> 
> Thanks to all who replied, I hadn't expected pointers to the various
> python libraries, for which I am very grateful. All I asked for was a
> simple way of directly accessing the hardware, but that does not seem to
> be available.
> 
> Failing that, I had indeed overlooked the -o flag oo ip a, which indeed
> makes parsing easier. However, it does appear that netifaces offers  the
> most usable solution, so a cigar to David Wright for this suggestion.

I only quoted netifaces, so Markus Schönhaber deserves the cigar.

Cheers,
David.

Re: get my ip address

[David Wright]

On Sun 17 Feb 2019 at 12:51:34 (+0900), John Crawley wrote:
> On 16/02/2019 14.28, David Wright wrote:
> > On Sat 16 Feb 2019 at 11:10:32 (+0900), John Crawley wrote:
> > > On 16/02/2019 08.54, David Wright wrote:
> > > > On Fri 15 Feb 2019 at 22:04:42 (+), Darac Marjal wrote:
> > > > > If you're going to recommend parsing `ip`, the -j option may be more
> > > > > amenable to scripting. (JSON output)
> ---
> > > > (Sorry if I was expected to explicitly write "shell scripting".)
> > > > … I don't think that JSON would be any help: rather, the opposite.
> > > 
> > > Though a call to jq makes parsing json very easy for shell scripts.
> > 
> > I'm not sure I understand why you'd ask ip to write JSON, and then
> > post-process it with jq to filter it to different JSON, and then
> > parse it in a shell, rather than just parsing something as simple as
> > the oneline format using the tools that every system has installed
> 
> jq can pull out the exact element of the json that you want, making
> further shell parsing unnecessary.
> Totally unrelated example, (Adobe flash player downloads)
> this query:
> curl -s 
> "https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/webservices/json/?platform_type=Linux_arch=x86-32_dist=Chrome;
> | jq -r '.[0].download_url'
> returns:
> http://fpdownload.adobe.com/pub/flashplayer/pdc/32.0.0.142/flash_player_ppapi_linux.i386.tar.gz

It's a very different example from what the OP was talking about. But
I am interested to know where the [0] came from in your jq options.

It's also a very different example from what I use   ip -o   for,
which is to pick up the name of my own wired interface and the
ipv6 address of whatever machine is connected to the other end of
a cat5 cable. The results are used for the purpose, much disapproved
of by certain people here, of directly connecting two hosts and using
the ipv6 link to transfer files, thereby leaving both machines' ipv4
configuration completely undisturbed.

My script fragments are:

 Mywiredifname=$(ip -o link show | sed -e '/^[0-9]\+: [^e]/d;s/[0-9]\+: 
\([^:]\+\): .*/\1/;')

where sed throws away any interface names not starting with "e" and
then prints the rest. (All my machines nowadays have one wired port,
so multiple lines never occur.)

 ping6 -c 1 -W 1 ff02::1%"$Mywiredifname"
 Neighbour=$(ip -6 -o neighbour | sed -e 's/^\([^ ]\+\) .*/\1/;')

where sed throws away everything after the first space.
So now I have the ipv6 address of the interface at the other end,
and I can login or transfer files with a single bash function that
isn't aware of the hostnames at either end.

This ping, for example, checks whether the machine is still connected¹
at the other end (neighbour entries can be stale) before proceeding:

 ping6 -c 1 -W 1 "$Neighbour%$Mywiredifname" # and test $?

You're welcome to rewrite these fragments using json, and I shall
try them out.

¹ I have the odd cat5 connector where the locking tab has snapped off.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Can't scan new disk

[Celejar]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:48:23 -0800
David Christensen  wrote:

> On 2/19/19 9:59 AM, Celejar wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:12:43 -0800
> > David Christensen  wrote:
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> >> dock SATA chip -> drive.  While the motherboard stuff can be FOSS based
> >> upon manufacturer supplied reference source code (e.g. Intel), USB drive
> >> docks are typically proprietary and closed-source.  This makes USB docks
> >> next to impossible to trouble-shoot or bug-fix for end-users or FOSS
> >> distributors.
> > 
> > I'm not sure I understood what you're saying here: do you mean that the
> > drivers are closed source, or that the silicon design is closed source?
> > I've used a number of USB-SATA adapters, in docks as well as cables,
> > and they were all supported by standard in-kernel drivers (although
> > some of the hardware may have been at least a bit flaky).

...

> AFAIK there are no commercial off the shelf (COTS) USB-SATA docks with 
> FOSS hardware (device), firmware (device), or software (device or host). 
>   (If somebody knows of any examples, please post the URL's.)

I'm still not sure what you're saying - there certainly are COTS
devices fully supported by FOSS software. E.g., I have a Syba
SY-ENC50091:

https://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route=product/product_id=885

It works fine under Debian without needing any non-free stuff, as far
as I recall.

If you're objecting to the hardware not being FOSS, my understanding
is that most useful hardware isn't. Is the SATA hardware itself FOSS?

Celejar

Re: Can't scan new disk

[David Christensen]

On 2/19/19 9:59 AM, Celejar wrote:

On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:12:43 -0800
David Christensen  wrote:

...


dock SATA chip -> drive.  While the motherboard stuff can be FOSS based
upon manufacturer supplied reference source code (e.g. Intel), USB drive
docks are typically proprietary and closed-source.  This makes USB docks
next to impossible to trouble-shoot or bug-fix for end-users or FOSS
distributors.


I'm not sure I understood what you're saying here: do you mean that the
drivers are closed source, or that the silicon design is closed source?
I've used a number of USB-SATA adapters, in docks as well as cables,
and they were all supported by standard in-kernel drivers (although
some of the hardware may have been at least a bit flaky).


The ideal is for both the host and the device at either end of a USB 
cable to be "standards compliant":


https://www.usb.org/


This implies a complete and correct USB hardware/ firmware/ software 
protocol stack on both of them.



I try to buy computers, motherboards, add-on cards, etc., with Intel 
chips because Intel releases open-source reference device driver source 
code for some portion of their products.  Linux, Debian, FreeBSD, and 
other FOSS projects use and include this code (in source and/or binary 
form).  This gives me the best chance of a positive OOTB experience with 
those FOSS operating systems/ distributions:


https://software.intel.com/en-us/open-source


AFAIK there are no commercial off the shelf (COTS) USB-SATA docks with 
FOSS hardware (device), firmware (device), or software (device or host). 
 (If somebody knows of any examples, please post the URL's.)



But, it might be possible to build your own using a FOSS operating 
system/ distribution and a single-board computer with a USB device port 
and a SATA host port:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers#I/O_interfaces_and_ports


David

Re: Please Recommend Affordable and Reliable Cloud Storage for 50 TB of Data

[John Darrah]

On 2/14/2019 10:46 PM, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

Hi,

Could you recommend affordable and reliable cloud storage for 50 TB of data?

Here are some important factors to consider:

1. Personal/non-commercial use.
2. Must be affordable, since I am unemployed most of the time and have
super low levels of income for the past 12 years since I graduated
from the National University of Singapore in 2007.
3. Cloud storage provider must not be a fly-by-night company, that is,
it will not suddenly close down the next day.

Please advise.

Thank you.


Backblaze costs .005/GB/Month which would be about $250/Month for 50,000GB.

https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html

-- john

Re: VPN con OpenVPN no conecta.

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 12:29:01AM -, Debian wrote:
> Hola
> 
> Instale Stretch en un ordenador, y cree una VPN con OpenVPN, y funciono 
> correctamente. Luego pase el SO a Buster, y la VPN no funciona. Luego 
> edite un archivo, cambiando de LTSv1.3 a LTSv1 y ya funciona.
> 
> Mis preguntas son:
> Es la version 1 segura?
> Como hacer que funcione con LTSv1.2 que trae la distro?
> Es problema del sistema o del servidor?
> 
> Gracias por su atencion.
> 
¿Cual lado es buster?  ¿El cliente o el servidor?  Mejor, ¿cuales
sistemas operativos están en cada lado de le conexión?

Saludos,

-Roberto

-- 
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VPN con OpenVPN no conecta.

[Debian]

Hola

Instale Stretch en un ordenador, y cree una VPN con OpenVPN, y funciono 
correctamente. Luego pase el SO a Buster, y la VPN no funciona. Luego 
edite un archivo, cambiando de LTSv1.3 a LTSv1 y ya funciona.

Mis preguntas son:
Es la version 1 segura?
Como hacer que funcione con LTSv1.2 que trae la distro?
Es problema del sistema o del servidor?

Gracias por su atencion.

Re: Please Recommend Affordable and Reliable Cloud Storage for 50 TB of Data

[Nicholas Geovanis]

I can't say it any better than the previous poster. Simply add that
retrieval from Glacier is straightforward but annoying. You also need to be
ok with day-plus turnaround for very large retrievals.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 3:53 AM Curt  On 2019-02-15, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming 
> wrote:
> >
> > Basically personal data. I don't intend to access the data in the
> > Cloud often. Just want to park it permanently in the Cloud. Maybe I
> > can access the Cloud from anywhere in the world?
> >
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Glacier
>
>
>  Glacier has two costs, one for storage and one for retrieval.  Uploading
> data
>  to Glacier is free. Storage pricing is simple: it currently costs 0.4
> cents per
>  gigabyte per month, which is 82% cheaper than S3 Standard.
>
>  In 2016, AWS revised their retrieval pricing model.[16] The new model
> bases
>  the retrieval fee on the number of gigabytes retrieved. This can amount
> to a
>  99% price cut for users who perform only one glacier retrieval in a
> month. At
>  the same time, AWS introduced new methods of retrieval that take different
>  amounts of time. An expedited retrieval costs one cent per request and
> three
>  cents per gigabyte, and can retrieve data in one to five minutes. A
> standard
>  retrieval costs five cents per thousand requests and one cent per
> gigabyte, and
>  takes three to five hours. A bulk retrieval costs 2.5 cents per thousand
>  requests and 0.25 cents per gigabyte, and takes seven to twelve hours.
> AWS also
>  introduced provisioned capacity for expedited retrievals, each unit of
> which
>  costs $100 per month and guarantees at least three expedited retrievals
> every
>  five minutes, and up to 150 MB/s of retrieval bandwidth. Without
> provisioned
>  capacity, expedited retrievals are done on a capacity available basis.
>
> Happy storage.
>
>

guacamole - recording

[Eriel Perez]

Saludos amigos de la lista. 

Tengo guacamole instalado en debían con RDP a 1 pc en windows 10. Y funciona 
bien. Aunque quisiera hacerle algunas mejoras. Por ejemplo, en la config con el 
cliente de windows tengo que especificar el usuario y psw del usuario en 
windows para que pueda funcionar. o sea no me llega a la pantalla de login de 
windows para que pueda entrar por cualquier usuario local de windows. 

Y bueno lo mas importante, tengo entendido que guacamole hace recording de las 
sesiones que se hagan. No logro hacer que esto me funcione. Cualquier persona 
por aquí que tenga experiencia en el tema y me pueda ayudar se lo agradecería.

Gracias.

guacamole - recording

[Eriel Perez]

Saludos amigos de la lista. 

Tengo guacamole instalado en debían con RDP a 1 pc en windows 10. Y funciona 
bien. Aunque quisiera hacerle algunas mejoras. Por ejemplo, en la config con el 
cliente de windows tengo que especificar el usuario y psw del usuario en 
windows para que pueda funcionar. o sea no me llega a la pantalla de login de 
windows para que pueda entrar por cualquier usuario local de windows. 

Y bueno lo mas importante, tengo entendido que guacamole hace recording de las 
sesiones que se hagan. No logro hacer que esto me funcione. Cualquier persona 
por aquí que tenga experiencia en el tema y me pueda ayudar se lo agradecería.

Gracias.

Re:%20Re%20:%20xorg%20lent%20%c3%a0%20afficher%20le%20bureau

[F. Petitjean]

Nicolas Patrois a écrit
> À propos de Ctrl-Alt-Fx… chez moi, ça ne marche pas si j’ai une session 
> ouverte (XFCE) mais ça marche si j’ai l’écran de bienvenue (WDM)

Aucune idée. Chez moi cela marche  (XFCE & lightdm ). C'est le genre de 
raccouci avec Alt+Molette qui m'est indispensable. 
En cherchant un peu, d'après la page de manuel de la commande chvt cela devrait
fonctionner avec un simple `chvt 3`, mais en fait il faut faire
```
sudo chvt 3
```
Le raccourci Ctrl+Alt+Fx est en principe intégré au noyau. Je ne vois pas 
comment vous avez pu le casser. Regardez dans Applications -> Paramètres -> 
Clavier
et l'onglet des raccourcis.

Cordialement,
Regards,
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
مع  تحياتي الخالصة  
---
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« On ne perd pas son temps en aiguisant ses outils. »
Proverbe français

Re : xorg lent à afficher le bureau

[nicolas . patrois]

Le 19/02/2019 17:57:17, littlejoh...@laposte.net a écrit :

> Pendant la durée interminable de l'écran noir, avez-vous essayé de
> basculer dans une console en appuyant simultanément sur Ctrl+Alt+F2 ? 

À propos de Ctrl-Alt-Fx… chez moi, ça ne marche pas si j’ai une session ouverte 
(XFCE) mais ça marche si j’ai l’écran de bienvenue (WDM).
Quelqu’un sait où ça se règle ?

nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial
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Un cerveau plus gros ?
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RE: xorg lent à afficher le bureau

[littlejohn75]

steve  a écrit
> Depuis que j'ai passé une machine sur le dernier noyau backport (le 4.19),
> le bureau xfce prend une plombe à s'afficher.

Pendant la durée interminable de l'écran noir, avez-vous essayé de basculer 
dans une console en appuyant simultanément sur Ctrl+Alt+F2 ?  Est-ce que si, 
énervé d'attendre, vous déplacez la souris la situation s'améliore ? ( Si vous 
avez une souris sans fil pas la peine de faire cette manipulation car le démon 
bluetooth n'est pas démarré ).

Je subodore un problème lié à un déficit d'entropie au moment du démarrage du 
système. Il se peut qu'avec le noyau 4.19 certains appels systèmes liés à 
l'entropie soient devenus bloquants.

Vous pouvez installer le paquet haveged pour tenter de remplir plus rapidement 
le réservoir d'entropie du noyau.

Cordialement,
Regards,
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
مع  تحياتي الخالصة  
---
F. Petitjean
Ingénieur civil du Génie Maritime.

« Moi, lorsque je n’ai rien à dire, je veux qu’on le sache. »  (R. Devos)

Re: ARMHF: kernel 4.9.144-3 won't boot

[Morel Bérenger]

Le Tue, 19 Feb 2019 14:35:23 +0300,
Reco  a écrit :

>   Hi.
> 
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 10:18:00AM +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
> > Any idea what is wrong?  
> 
> Just as many of us, you've got unlucky, and received a faulty kernel -
> see #922478.
> It's not just you - they managed to break two Debian architectures
> with this kernel update.
> Good news are - the solution is on its way.
> 
> Reco
> 

Thanks for the info.

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Re: Can't scan new disk

[Celejar]

On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:12:43 -0800
David Christensen  wrote:

...

> dock SATA chip -> drive.  While the motherboard stuff can be FOSS based 
> upon manufacturer supplied reference source code (e.g. Intel), USB drive 
> docks are typically proprietary and closed-source.  This makes USB docks 
> next to impossible to trouble-shoot or bug-fix for end-users or FOSS 
> distributors.

I'm not sure I understood what you're saying here: do you mean that the
drivers are closed source, or that the silicon design is closed source?
I've used a number of USB-SATA adapters, in docks as well as cables,
and they were all supported by standard in-kernel drivers (although
some of the hardware may have been at least a bit flaky).

Celejar

Re: get my ip address

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 11:36:49AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> tony wrote: 
> > I have a network of IoTs consisting of 5 (I think) Paspberry Pis,
> > monitoring various things, and periodically sending the data to my VPS.
> > I need access to these hosts to manage them.
> > 
> > The network supplier is Orange France (spit!) who supply a dynamic DNS
> > on both IPv4 and IPv6. I need to access any of them.

> That sounds like a job for a dynamic dns client.

Agreed.

> existing Debian packages:
> 
> ddclient (multiple backend services supported)
> ddupdate (also supports multiple services, more plugin-oriented)
> dyfi  (Finnish users only)
> dyndns   (multiple services)
> ez-ipupdate (multiple services)
> ipcheck (dyndns protocol specific, but many services use it)
> isc-dhcp-client-ddns  (adds dynamic dns to DHCP)

And the specific case of dynamic DNS updates is definitely covered
on the wiki page that I linked (https://mywiki.wooledge.org/IpAddress).
It even has sample code for Debian 8.

If you need to use a special python dynamic DNS client for some reason,
that's fine.  Just hook it from the dhclient-exit-hooks.d directory and
let it use the new_ip_address environment variable.  The example is
right there on the wiki page.  Just replace /usr/local/sbin/dync with
your python program (assuming it takes the IP address on the argument list).

Oh... wait, you said IPv6 in the original message, right?  Ugh.  I don't
know IPv6 myself, but fortunately we can look that up... um, somewhere!

wooledg:~$ man dhclient-script | grep 6
   $new_dhcp6_server_id.  The options that the client explicitly requested

... OK, apparently not *there*.

But looking through /sbin/dhclient-script itself, there appear to be
the following variables:

new_ip6_address
new_dhcp6_name_servers
new_dhcp5_domain_search

Maybe those will help?  Give it a shot.  Or wait for someone who knows IPv6
to chime in.

Re: get my ip address

[tony]

On 19/02/2019 17:36, Dan Ritter wrote:
> tony wrote: 
>> On 19/02/2019 16:10, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:11:29AM +0100, tony wrote:
 Debian 9. I need to read my IPv6 address into a python script.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>>  may offer some insight.
>>>
>>
>> Well, I'm sure you don't really want to know, and I don't think your
>> blog covers my use case. Correct me if I'm wrong on either count.
>>
>> I have a network of IoTs consisting of 5 (I think) Paspberry Pis,
>> monitoring various things, and periodically sending the data to my VPS.
>> I need access to these hosts to manage them.
>>
>> The network supplier is Orange France (spit!) who supply a dynamic DNS
>> on both IPv4 and IPv6. I need to access any of them. For some years, I
>> have been using NAT over IPv4 with some success. I simply collect the
>> router's address from the server using curl, compare it with the current
>> DNS setting, and run nsupdate if different.
>>
>> Now, Orange (spit!) have recently discovered. IPv6, which makes
>> management much easier, so I'm in the process of changing over to that
>> protocol. Sadly the prefix is dynamic; ${deity} knows why. Each host
>> address is set up from router advertisement, so I figure I only need to
>> catch the host's current address, and set up the DNS accordingly. I'm
>> successfully doing that manually, but, of course, that's not very
>> satisfactory.
> 
> That sounds like a job for a dynamic dns client.
> 
> existing Debian packages:
> 
> ddclient (multiple backend services supported)
> ddupdate (also supports multiple services, more plugin-oriented)
> dyfi  (Finnish users only)
> dyndns   (multiple services)
> ez-ipupdate (multiple services)
> ipcheck (dyndns protocol specific, but many services use it)
> isc-dhcp-client-ddns  (adds dynamic dns to DHCP)
> 
> Don't reinvent the wheel, when it looks like it already has
> seven versions already.
> 
> -dsr-
> 

Thanks, I'll take a look.

Cheers, Tony

Re: get my ip address

[Dan Ritter]

tony wrote: 
> On 19/02/2019 16:10, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:11:29AM +0100, tony wrote:
> >> Debian 9. I need to read my IPv6 address into a python script.
> > 
> > Why?
> > 
> >  may offer some insight.
> > 
> 
> Well, I'm sure you don't really want to know, and I don't think your
> blog covers my use case. Correct me if I'm wrong on either count.
> 
> I have a network of IoTs consisting of 5 (I think) Paspberry Pis,
> monitoring various things, and periodically sending the data to my VPS.
> I need access to these hosts to manage them.
> 
> The network supplier is Orange France (spit!) who supply a dynamic DNS
> on both IPv4 and IPv6. I need to access any of them. For some years, I
> have been using NAT over IPv4 with some success. I simply collect the
> router's address from the server using curl, compare it with the current
> DNS setting, and run nsupdate if different.
> 
> Now, Orange (spit!) have recently discovered. IPv6, which makes
> management much easier, so I'm in the process of changing over to that
> protocol. Sadly the prefix is dynamic; ${deity} knows why. Each host
> address is set up from router advertisement, so I figure I only need to
> catch the host's current address, and set up the DNS accordingly. I'm
> successfully doing that manually, but, of course, that's not very
> satisfactory.

That sounds like a job for a dynamic dns client.

existing Debian packages:

ddclient (multiple backend services supported)
ddupdate (also supports multiple services, more plugin-oriented)
dyfi  (Finnish users only)
dyndns   (multiple services)
ez-ipupdate (multiple services)
ipcheck (dyndns protocol specific, but many services use it)
isc-dhcp-client-ddns  (adds dynamic dns to DHCP)

Don't reinvent the wheel, when it looks like it already has
seven versions already.

-dsr-

Re: upgrade fail -- i think

[ghe]

On 2/19/19 3:15 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:

> On 2/18/19, Laurent Dumont  wrote:

Thanks much. Reinstalled, answered peculiar questions, and loaded an old
DVD.

Made the expected pictures...

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Re: lost dig

[Mike McClain]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:10:15PM +0100, tony wrote:
> In my fiddling with DNS, I installed (as su) a python package from pypi
> called 'dig'. It turned out to not be what I expected, so I abandoned it.
>
> However, now when I enter 'dig' on the command line, it runs this python
> thing. So I uninstalled dig from python, using 'pip3 uninstall dig'.
> That seemed to work fine, but now when I type 'dig' at the terminal, I
> get bash: /usr/local/bin/dig: No such file or directory. Well, that's OK
> because dig - the proper one - is at /usr/bin/dig.
>
> 'which dig' gives me '/usr/bin/dig/
>
> So, how do I now get the alias (if that's what it is) to point at the
> right file?
>
> Thanks, Tony

Try hash -d dig.

Bash keeps a list of where executed commands are so it doesn't have to
look them every time.

Cheers,
Mike
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Re: get my ip address

[tony]

On 19/02/2019 16:10, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:11:29AM +0100, tony wrote:
>> Debian 9. I need to read my IPv6 address into a python script.
> 
> Why?
> 
>  may offer some insight.
> 

Well, I'm sure you don't really want to know, and I don't think your
blog covers my use case. Correct me if I'm wrong on either count.

I have a network of IoTs consisting of 5 (I think) Paspberry Pis,
monitoring various things, and periodically sending the data to my VPS.
I need access to these hosts to manage them.

The network supplier is Orange France (spit!) who supply a dynamic DNS
on both IPv4 and IPv6. I need to access any of them. For some years, I
have been using NAT over IPv4 with some success. I simply collect the
router's address from the server using curl, compare it with the current
DNS setting, and run nsupdate if different.

Now, Orange (spit!) have recently discovered. IPv6, which makes
management much easier, so I'm in the process of changing over to that
protocol. Sadly the prefix is dynamic; ${deity} knows why. Each host
address is set up from router advertisement, so I figure I only need to
catch the host's current address, and set up the DNS accordingly. I'm
successfully doing that manually, but, of course, that's not very
satisfactory.

See - I told you it wasn't worth knowing!


Cheers, Tony

Re: get my ip address

[Greg Wooledge]

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 11:11:29AM +0100, tony wrote:
> Debian 9. I need to read my IPv6 address into a python script.

Why?

 may offer some insight.

Re: Status of LXC in Stretch?

[Jonathan Dowland]

Hi,

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 08:50:01AM +0100, Claudio Kuenzler wrote:

It seems that there hasn't been much going on concerning the LXC package(s)
in Debian 9 Stretch. The version is stuck at 2.0.7 without any patches
backported since Jan 2018. Yet there are known (important) bugs which break
LXC on Stretch.


Ultimately, I think the LXC maintainers are under-resourced; there
aren't enough people/hours for it. But Stretch being the current
release, I would not expect to see the package update much, except for
security issues or *major* bugs. #888647 that you cite, for example, is
currently only categorized as "normal" severity.


Meanwhile LXC 2.0.9 is out since October 2017 (yes, 2017). Instead of
keeping a bugged 2.0.7, wouldn't it be better to include the latest
upstream version of the 2.0 LTS branch?


Not post-Stretch release, no; that's not how we do things I'm afraid.
Unfortunately 2.0.9 came out *after* Stretch, by a few months.


What's the current status with LXC and its related packages in Debian
Stretch?


You've pretty much summed it up.


Can we expect a new upstream release, a bugfix or a new version
(3.0 LTS) made available in backports?


I can't speak for the LXC maintainers, but we as a project are about to
enter freeze for the next Debian release. The version of LXC slated for
that is 3.x series. I suspect (but again, can only speculate) that the
maintainers are likely going to prioritize getting the next release
ready over updating the backport for the soon-to-be-obsolete current
stable release. Volunteers are free to work on whatever they want, of
course.

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GUACAMOLE - RECORDING

[Eriel Perez]

Saludos amigos de la lista. 

Tengo guacamole instalado en debían con RDP a 1 pc en windows 10. Y funciona 
bien. Aunque quisiera hacerle algunas mejoras. Por ejemplo, en la config con el 
cliente de windows tengo que especificar el usuario y psw del usuario en 
windows para que pueda funcionar. o sea no me llega a la pantalla de login de 
windows para que pueda entrar por cualquier usuario local de windows. 

Y bueno lo mas importante, tengo entendido que guacamole hace recording de las 
sesiones que se hagan. No logro hacer que esto me funcione. Cualquier persona 
por aquí que tenga experiencia en el tema y me pueda ayudar se lo agradecería.

Gracias. 

Re: lost dig

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 01:42:27PM +0100, Martin wrote:
> Sorry, was a little quick on that.
> 
> Like said, the (ISC) DNS lookup utility 'dig' is part of the package 
> 'dnsutils'.
> I do not have an alias set or an alternatives record for this.
> Do you have a '/etc/alternatives/dig'? If yes, deleting it should be fine, as 
> long as  /usr/bin/dig exists 

The problem seems to be solved. It seems to have been
the shell cache remembering the old association. Nothing
permanent. Reread thread.

Cheers
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Re: lost dig

[Martin]

Sorry, was a little quick on that.

Like said, the (ISC) DNS lookup utility 'dig' is part of the package 'dnsutils'.
I do not have an alias set or an alternatives record for this.
Do you have a '/etc/alternatives/dig'? If yes, deleting it should be fine, as 
long as  /usr/bin/dig exists 


Am 19.02.19 um 13:37 schrieb Martin:
> The DNS lookup utility 'dig' is part of the package 'dnsutils'.
> 
> Am 19.02.19 um 12:10 schrieb tony:
>> In my fiddling with DNS, I installed (as su) a python package from pypi
>> called 'dig'. It turned out to not be what I expected, so I abandoned it.
>>
>> However, now when I enter 'dig' on the command line, it runs this python
>> thing. So I uninstalled dig from python, using 'pip3 uninstall dig'.
>> That seemed to work fine, but now when I type 'dig' at the terminal, I
>> get bash: /usr/local/bin/dig: No such file or directory. Well, that's OK
>> because dig - the proper one - is at /usr/bin/dig.
>>
>> 'which dig' gives me '/usr/bin/dig/
>>
>> So, how do I now get the alias (if that's what it is) to point at the
>> right file?
>>
>> Thanks, Tony
>>
> 

Re: lost dig

[Martin]

The DNS lookup utility 'dig' is part of the package 'dnsutils'.

Am 19.02.19 um 12:10 schrieb tony:
> In my fiddling with DNS, I installed (as su) a python package from pypi
> called 'dig'. It turned out to not be what I expected, so I abandoned it.
> 
> However, now when I enter 'dig' on the command line, it runs this python
> thing. So I uninstalled dig from python, using 'pip3 uninstall dig'.
> That seemed to work fine, but now when I type 'dig' at the terminal, I
> get bash: /usr/local/bin/dig: No such file or directory. Well, that's OK
> because dig - the proper one - is at /usr/bin/dig.
> 
> 'which dig' gives me '/usr/bin/dig/
> 
> So, how do I now get the alias (if that's what it is) to point at the
> right file?
> 
> Thanks, Tony
> 

Re: lost dig

[tomas]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 01:01:36PM +0100, tony wrote:
> On 19/02/2019 12:53, Claudio Kuenzler wrote:

[...]

> > First check with "alias" if there is really still some alias defined
> > which points to /usr/local/bin/dig.
> 
> No alias.
> 
> > You might also have to logout and login again to clear your environment.
> > 
> Woo, yes, of course. That works fine. Many thanks!

This was your shell's cached association (name -> full-path). If your shell
is bash, then 'hash' is the builtin to use when you want to inspect/modify
that cache.

For example, "hash -r" or "hash -d dig" might have been sufficient in the
above situation. Try hash -l to list all current entries.

Cheers
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Re: lost dig

[tony]

On 19/02/2019 12:53, Claudio Kuenzler wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2/19/2019 12:10 PM, tony wrote:
> > In my fiddling with DNS, I installed (as su) a python package from
> pypi
> > called 'dig'. It turned out to not be what I expected, so I
> abandoned it.
> >
> > However, now when I enter 'dig' on the command line, it runs this
> python
> > thing. So I uninstalled dig from python, using 'pip3 uninstall dig'.
> > That seemed to work fine, but now when I type 'dig' at the terminal, I
> > get bash: /usr/local/bin/dig: No such file or directory. Well,
> that's OK
> > because dig - the proper one - is at /usr/bin/dig.
> >
> > 'which dig' gives me '/usr/bin/dig/
> >
> > So, how do I now get the alias (if that's what it is) to point at the
> > right file?
> 
> 
> First check with "alias" if there is really still some alias defined
> which points to /usr/local/bin/dig.

No alias.

> You might also have to logout and login again to clear your environment.
> 
Woo, yes, of course. That works fine. Many thanks!

Re: lost dig

[Claudio Kuenzler]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 12:55 PM tony  wrote:

>
> > Isn't the alias defined in '~/.bashrc' or '~/.bash_aliases'?
> >
> no...
>

Maybe it's not an alias at all but rather an "alternative". Check
"update-alternatives --get-selections" if there is an entry for dig.

Re: lost dig

[tony]

On 19/02/2019 12:22, john doe wrote:
> On 2/19/2019 12:10 PM, tony wrote:
>> In my fiddling with DNS, I installed (as su) a python package from pypi
>> called 'dig'. It turned out to not be what I expected, so I abandoned it.
>>
>> However, now when I enter 'dig' on the command line, it runs this python
>> thing. So I uninstalled dig from python, using 'pip3 uninstall dig'.
>> That seemed to work fine, but now when I type 'dig' at the terminal, I
>> get bash: /usr/local/bin/dig: No such file or directory. Well, that's OK
>> because dig - the proper one - is at /usr/bin/dig.
>>
>> 'which dig' gives me '/usr/bin/dig/
>>
>> So, how do I now get the alias (if that's what it is) to point at the
>> right file?
>>
> 
> Isn't the alias defined in '~/.bashrc' or '~/.bash_aliases'?
> 
no...

Re: lost dig

[Claudio Kuenzler]

On 2/19/2019 12:10 PM, tony wrote:
> > In my fiddling with DNS, I installed (as su) a python package from pypi
> > called 'dig'. It turned out to not be what I expected, so I abandoned it.
> >
> > However, now when I enter 'dig' on the command line, it runs this python
> > thing. So I uninstalled dig from python, using 'pip3 uninstall dig'.
> > That seemed to work fine, but now when I type 'dig' at the terminal, I
> > get bash: /usr/local/bin/dig: No such file or directory. Well, that's OK
> > because dig - the proper one - is at /usr/bin/dig.
> >
> > 'which dig' gives me '/usr/bin/dig/
> >
> > So, how do I now get the alias (if that's what it is) to point at the
> > right file?
>

First check with "alias" if there is really still some alias defined which
points to /usr/local/bin/dig.
You might also have to logout and login again to clear your environment.

Re: ARMHF: kernel 4.9.144-3 won't boot

[Reco]

Hi.

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 10:18:00AM +0100, Morel Bérenger wrote:
> Any idea what is wrong?

Just as many of us, you've got unlucky, and received a faulty kernel -
see #922478.
It's not just you - they managed to break two Debian architectures with
this kernel update.
Good news are - the solution is on its way.

Reco

Re: lost dig

[john doe]

On 2/19/2019 12:10 PM, tony wrote:
> In my fiddling with DNS, I installed (as su) a python package from pypi
> called 'dig'. It turned out to not be what I expected, so I abandoned it.
>
> However, now when I enter 'dig' on the command line, it runs this python
> thing. So I uninstalled dig from python, using 'pip3 uninstall dig'.
> That seemed to work fine, but now when I type 'dig' at the terminal, I
> get bash: /usr/local/bin/dig: No such file or directory. Well, that's OK
> because dig - the proper one - is at /usr/bin/dig.
>
> 'which dig' gives me '/usr/bin/dig/
>
> So, how do I now get the alias (if that's what it is) to point at the
> right file?
>

Isn't the alias defined in '~/.bashrc' or '~/.bash_aliases'?

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Re: Éditer fichiers texte depuis un serveur distant

[ajh-valmer]

On Tuesday 19 February 2019 11:40:38 Daniel Caillibaud wrote:
> Le 18/02/19 à 16:10, "ajh-valmer"  a écrit :
> > Si je choisis "kate" (au lieu de kedit), impeccable,
> > tous les fichiers texte (extensions .txt , .jsp...)  sont modifiables
> > depuis le serveur distant.

> Donc le pb serait plutôt dans la configuration de kedit (et pas celle de
> konqueror), mais je pourrais pas t'en dire plus…

Très possible, mais comment configurer kedit en ce sens ?
Je n'ai pas trouvé.
Pas grave, kate est très bien, comme déjà dit, c'est juste pour comprendre,
c'est mon caractère :-)

ARMHF: kernel 4.9.144-3 won't boot

[Morel Bérenger]

Hello.

I have noticed that the current stable kernel won't boot on beaglebone
black SoC: U-Boot loads the kernel, which does nothing but waiting for
some time (no text at all) and rebooting the system endlessly.
Downgrading the package allows the system to boot anew.

Until now, I only provide the kernel with root partition and read-only
(for /), like "root=/dev/mmcblk1p2 ro".
Any idea what is wrong?

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lost dig

[tony]

In my fiddling with DNS, I installed (as su) a python package from pypi
called 'dig'. It turned out to not be what I expected, so I abandoned it.

However, now when I enter 'dig' on the command line, it runs this python
thing. So I uninstalled dig from python, using 'pip3 uninstall dig'.
That seemed to work fine, but now when I type 'dig' at the terminal, I
get bash: /usr/local/bin/dig: No such file or directory. Well, that's OK
because dig - the proper one - is at /usr/bin/dig.

'which dig' gives me '/usr/bin/dig/

So, how do I now get the alias (if that's what it is) to point at the
right file?

Thanks, Tony

Re: iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode

[Andrea Borgia]

Hallo, Klaus.

It would seem that the file you are looking for is in this package:
https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-iwlwifi

Installing it should fix your problem.

Regards,
Andrea.


Il giorno mar 19 feb 2019 alle ore 11:45 Klaus Jantzen <
k.d.jant...@mailbox.org> ha scritto:

> Hi,
>
> on my laptop I upgraded Jessie to Stretch (with dist-upgrade).
> Now Stretch does not work (mouse, WLAN, ethernet) because the module
> 'iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode' seems to be missing.
>
> On Github I found that module dated 2014-12-09. Could I use this module?
> The main question is: where (in which directory) do I have to store it
> in my Stretch on my laptop?
>
> --
> K.D.J.
>
>

Re: Quel anti spam serveur ?

[Daniel Caillibaud]

Le 17/02/19 à 22:10, roger.tar...@free.fr a écrit :
> Quel temps a-t-il fallu pour construire ça ?

Ça dépend bcp de qui le fait (de son expérience en la matière, aisance à
lire et comprendre des docs en anglais, etc.) : entre 3h et 3j.

> Et avec quelle documentation ?

Tu peux chercher des tutos "tout fait", y'en a pleins sur
postfix/dkim/dovecot/rspamd, mais certains peuvent raconter des bêtises
(du genre faire sauter des sécurité pour que ce soit plus simple à faire
marcher, si tu vois qqpart un chmod 777 faut fuir le tuto), vaut mieux
toujours bien comprendre ce qu'on fait, et en cas de doute toujours se
référer à la doc originale (celle de postfix, bien traduite en français sur
https://postfix.traduc.org/, mais aussi celle de dovecot, sieve, rspamd,
etc.)

> Il y aurait aussi un problème qui peut s'avérer très ennuyeux : se faire
> blacklister son domaine à cause de spams. Quelle est la vérité à ce
> sujet ? (sans promesse vague, la main sur le coeur... ;-)  )

Si tu n'envoie pas de mails en masse (même des notifications automatiques),
tu n'auras pas de pbs.
Ajouter dkim est tout de même vivement conseillé (spf pas plus mal,
certains conseillent aussi dmarc mais j'ai jamais pris le temps de
l'ajouter et je m'en passe assez bien).

Sinon, faut suivre ça d'assez près, les gros FAI sont assez bourrins et ont
tendance à générer du faux positif dès que les mails ne viennent pas de
grosses infra connues, mais ça s'améliore un peu (j'envoie qq milliers de
mails par jour, et j'ai un peu moins de blocages depuis 1 an).

Au final d'accord avec Pierre, c'est long et fastidieux à installer /
configurer, mais ensuite pas trop de maintenance.

Il y a aussi des solutions packagées simple à installer, du genre
https://mailcow.email/, j'ai entendu de bons retours mais jamais testé.

Mais monter un serveur mail complet est très formateur, ça vaut le coup de
s'y coller, faut juste prendre le temps de faire ça proprement, et donc
commencer avec un domaine qui peut rester en panne qq jours (je te
conseillerais de te créer un sous-domaine truc.tondomaine.tld, lui définir
un MX dans les dns et tester avec des mails envoyés à
t...@truc.tondomaine.tld, quand c'est bon tu peux passer au vrai domaine
avec des users existants).

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iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode

[Klaus Jantzen]

Hi,

on my laptop I upgraded Jessie to Stretch (with dist-upgrade).
Now Stretch does not work (mouse, WLAN, ethernet) because the module 
'iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode' seems to be missing.


On Github I found that module dated 2014-12-09. Could I use this module?
The main question is: where (in which directory) do I have to store it 
in my Stretch on my laptop?


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Re: Éditer fichiers texte depuis un serveur distant

[Daniel Caillibaud]

Le 18/02/19 à 16:10, "ajh-valmer"  a écrit :
> Si je choisis "kate" (au lieu de kedit), impeccable,
> tous les fichiers texte (extensions .txt , .jsp...)  sont modifiables
> depuis le serveur distant.

Donc le pb serait plutôt dans la configuration de kedit (et pas celle de
konqueror), mais je pourrais pas t'en dire plus…

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il vous fait un bras d'honneur.
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Re: upgrade fail -- i think

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 2/18/19, Laurent Dumont  wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 7:36 PM ghe  wrote:
>
>> Buster
>>
>> I just did one of the regular updates, and it looked pretty reasonable.
>> But at the bottom, it said:
>>
>> libdvd-pkg: Package libdvdcss2-1.4.2-1 was removed, stop processing
>>
>> Does anyone what piece of software said that or why or what it means? Is
>> it cause for concern?
>
> It looks like a dvd reader package. It looks rather harmless. You could try
> installing it again and see if it does install properly.


It is. I've had to manually play around with that one and a few others
to be able to play legitimately purchased 20+-year-old movies... e.g.
Overboard and You've Got Mail! There are all kinds of
know-your-location's-laws advisements attached to installation
attempts of that genre of packages. :)

Cindy :)
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Re: Informatique scolaire debian

[Sylvain Caselli]

Le 19/02/2019 à 08:42, Francois Meyer a écrit :
Les Raspberry Pi, malheureusement,  je ne sais pas les utiliser et je 
ne trouve pas le temps d'apprendre.


En fait si tu achète un kit débutant avec la carte sd installée tu te 
retrouve avec un presque debian. Donc rien de particulier à apprendre. 
C'est plus cher, mais avec un écran tactile et un clavier adapté cela 
peut même être rangé tel quel dans une boîte de type feuilles A3. Bon il 
faut une prise secteur à chaque fois et c'est pas si évident que cela.


Sylvain.

Re: Informatique scolaire debian

[MENGUAL Jean-Philippe]

Si ça peut aider tu peux dire que les ordi ainsi équipés permettront 
aussi l'accès à des élèves handicapés comme des dys ou des déficients 
visuels, via des outils d'accesibilité compatibles avec Geogebra, 
Libreoffice Math. Tu peux peut-être aussi proposer l'argument de la 
longévité des ordis.


Après c'est clair que convaincre l'Educ Nat vu ses relations centrales 
avec les US...


Bon courage!

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Le 19/02/2019 à 08:42, Francois Meyer a écrit :
Merci de vos réponses. Je vois que la situation n'est pas désepérée ! 
il me reste pas mal d'autres personnes à convaincre cependant.


C'est pour équiper des classe nomades, pour remplacer des salles infos 
qui manquent. Oui, cela pourrait servir pour SNT, mais pas seulement. 
Les Raspberry Pi, malheureusement,  je ne sais pas les utiliser et je 
ne trouve pas le temps d'apprendre.


Bonne journée

François