date:20210224


On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 16:28:33 +, Brian  wrote:

Indeed. However, the problem (unless I am misunderstanding) is that
the firmware is not even being found on the non-free netinstall,
which is the whole point of having that image available.


Yes, the firmware not even being found on certain stages of installation 
process, it will be found later and available after install but it quite 
late since I need to "tick" certain package to be install over network.


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Re: How to self-load non-freeware firmware on existing netinst ISO installer


On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:14:59 -0500, John Boxall  wrote:

Alternatively, you can extract the firmware files to a different USB stick and 
put them in the root of that one, insert both and the installer will find the 
files when you boot the original USB stick.


To bad, this machine only have 1 working USB port. Plan to fix the other 
2 USB port too but currently I can't cross district travel since 
"lock-down 2.0" in Malaysia. The USB port are faulty causes by USB fans..


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Re: How to self-load non-freeware firmware on existing netinst ISO installer


On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 16:07:09 +, Brian  wrote:

his is from memory; I haven't done it for some time.

1. The USB stick you boot from will have empty space or a secomd
   partition.


There only one partition but there is lot of empty space


2. Extract the firmware files from the .deb and put them on the
   stick.

It doesn't matter where I put right (on root location)? or need to have 
special directory?



3. Boot and change to console 2: ALT-F2.

4. Mount the partition holding the firmware on /mnt.

This is tricky part as I mentioned, I only have one partition. Where I 
can find my USB device location? try with `dh` command but that command 
not working/available



5. Create /lib/firmware: mkdir /lib/firmware and transfer the
   firmware there.

6. ALT-F1 to go back to d-i. d-i should now find the firmware.
You suggestion look like the most closest one, just need to find the 
perfect way how to accomplish it


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Re: How to self-load non-freeware firmware on existing netinst ISO installer

On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:39:16 -0500 Kenneth Parker  
wrote:
When I had a situation like that, my workaround was to install without the Network (but with the netinst CD), stopping at the "minimal system". It actually gives you a bootable system.  And then, use the external media to get WiFi working, and go from there. 


I also thinking to go this way but there could be another better 
solution to load the firmware at the beginning of installation (which is 
the most prefer solution) since I have ucode precompiled binary from 
Intel with me, let use it but I don't know how modify the installer or 
how to re-create the installer.


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Re: Navigateur web Dillo et autres alternatives en dehors famille Chromium ou Firefox

2021-02-24 Thread Haricophile

Le Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:25:04 +0100,
"ajh-valmer"  a écrit :

> On dit que pour vaincre un dominateur,
> il ne faut surtout pas l'attaquer,
> mais créer un système parallèle qui prendre sa place.
> 
> Ne changez jamais les choses en combattant la réalité existante, 
> bâtissez un nouveau modèle qui rendra l'actuel obsolète,
> (R. Buckminster Fuller).

Je pense que le web est devenu tellement complexe que ça devient
compliqué d'avoir un truc contrôlable. La complexité nous controle et
d'ailleurs la taille du noyeau Linux fait partie des choses
inquiétante. Ce sont des gens qui sont bien plus compétent que moi qui
le disent : Le contrôle du code est de moins en moins bien faite parce
que pas assez de monde par rapport à l'ampleur de la tâche. 

En informatique, on perds petit a petit la philosophie qui a présidait
à la conception de Unix et du Web. Encore une fois il y a des gens bien
plus compétents que moi pour le dire, comme par exemple
https://www.greenit.fr/2020/08/18/x171-la-croissance-du-poids-de-nos-logiciels/

Re: Debian install Question

2021-02-24 Thread Weaver

On 25-02-2021 09:32, Dan Ritter wrote:
> IL Ka wrote: 
>>
>> I am sorry for giving inadequate advice. Please forgive me as I am new to
>> Debian.
>> My idea was to install Debian, and then install non-free firmware.

This is quite possible.

>> This is the third question about "how to install Debian if I have nic that
>> needs non-free firmware" I see in this list on this week.
>>
>> So, what is the best practice to do so? Use an unofficial installer that
>> contains non-free firmware?

That's actually not required.
For a little while now, I've had a 2016 Acer TravelMate.
This requires three different blobs of non-free software to operate
efficiently.
As long as you opt for the nonfree and contrib lines to be included in
your sources.list file during installation, they're there when the
install process is over.
As soon as the netinst disc is spat out and reboot happens, there
appears to be a period when I can install aptitude, mc, menu, and a
couple of other niceties.
I then call up aptitude interface and go through the kernel nonfree
sector for the blobs I require, clearly delineated during the install
process.
Intel's iwlwifi being one of the packages required for this machine.

>> If so, I believe this info is worth adding to the Debian installation guide
>> somewhere in the wiki, so we can give a link to this wiki to newbies.

Definitely!

>> It seems that a lot of people face this problem trying to install Debian on
>> their laptops.

It's how I learnt to deal with it, two or three installs later.
Cheers!

Harry.

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Re: blocage au démarrage /var/ plein

2021-02-24 Thread roger . tarani

A défaut d'avoir corrigé le problème de la carte PCI en sortie de veille, je 
l'ai déconnectée : plus de problèmes de logs !...
Merci pour les regex.

Le mode S3 (suspend to RAM ) et le mode S4 (suspend to disk) : en debian, on 
oublie ou on peut s'en servir ? et alors comment ?



- Mail original -
De: "Stephane Ascoet" 
À: "Liste Debian" 
Envoyé: Mercredi 24 Février 2021 14:27:39
Objet: Re: blocage au démarrage /var/ plein

Le 22/02/2021 à 10:38, Pierre Malard a écrit :
> Salut,
>
> J’aurais tendance à conseiller ceci :
> 1) sauvegarder le contenu de /var/log sur un autre support
> 2) Effacer les logs présent par exemple avec un :
># find /var/log -type f \( -iname "*.[0-9].log" -o -iname "*.[0-9].log.gz" 
> -o -iname "*.[0-9][0-9].log" -o -iname "*.[0-9][0-9].log.gz" -o -iname 
> "*.[0-9]" -o -iname "*.[0-9].gz" -o -iname "*.[0-9][0-9]" -o -iname 
> "*.[0-9][0-9].gz" \) -exec /bin/rm -f {} \;
> Ce qui efface tout fichier log traité par logrotate. Il y a certainement un 
> regex fou qui fait ça en un test. Là, au moins, c’est lisible).

Bonjour, quelque chose comme(pas teste a fond, mais la tienne me semble 
supprimer trop de choses): find /var/log -regextype posix-extended 
-regex '.*\.[[:digit:]]+.*' -print | egrep -v 'log$' | xargs mv -t 
/media/fujitsugigamo

Et pour le probleme de fond, reponse facile qui correspondrait a ce que 
je fais depuis toujours: dans ce cas, j'abandonnerai l'idee de mettre en 
mode S3 de veille...

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Re: Debian install Question

2021-02-24 Thread Dan Ritter

IL Ka wrote: 
> 
> I am sorry for giving inadequate advice. Please forgive me as I am new to
> Debian.
> My idea was to install Debian, and then install non-free firmware.
> 
> This is the third question about "how to install Debian if I have nic that
> needs non-free firmware" I see in this list on this week.
> 
> So, what is the best practice to do so? Use an unofficial installer that
> contains non-free firmware?
> If so, I believe this info is worth adding to the Debian installation guide
> somewhere in the wiki, so we can give a link to this wiki to newbies.
> It seems that a lot of people face this problem trying to install Debian on
> their laptops.


Yes.

It's in the wiki, but it isn't at the front.

Most people with laptops are going to need it, or a similar
workaround.

Here's some recent discussion: https://lwn.net/Articles/843172/

-dsr-

Re: Debian install Question

On Thu 25 Feb 2021 at 01:36:58 +0300, IL Ka wrote:

> >
> > Please do not do that.
> >
> >
> > You will find a iso here which includes most of the non-free firmware here:
> >
> > https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.8.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/
> >
> > Please take the time to read AND understand the information on that site.
> >
> 
> I am sorry for giving inadequate advice. Please forgive me as I am new to
> Debian.
> My idea was to install Debian, and then install non-free firmware.

That was what I thought your intention was and I do not think it is
such bad idea, unless the user knows that she does not want Gnome.
 
> This is the third question about "how to install Debian if I have nic that
> needs non-free firmware" I see in this list on this week.
> 
> So, what is the best practice to do so? Use an unofficial installer that
> contains non-free firmware?

If the widest installation framework is required, that is probably best.

> If so, I believe this info is worth adding to the Debian installation guide
> somewhere in the wiki, so we can give a link to this wiki to newbies.
> It seems that a lot of people face this problem trying to install Debian on
> their laptops.

I've not looked at the wiki.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Debian install Question

>
> Please do not do that.
>
>
> You will find a iso here which includes most of the non-free firmware here:
>
> https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.8.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/
>
> Please take the time to read AND understand the information on that site.
>

I am sorry for giving inadequate advice. Please forgive me as I am new to
Debian.
My idea was to install Debian, and then install non-free firmware.

This is the third question about "how to install Debian if I have nic that
needs non-free firmware" I see in this list on this week.

So, what is the best practice to do so? Use an unofficial installer that
contains non-free firmware?
If so, I believe this info is worth adding to the Debian installation guide
somewhere in the wiki, so we can give a link to this wiki to newbies.
It seems that a lot of people face this problem trying to install Debian on
their laptops.

Re: Boost version

2021-02-24 Thread Sébastien Dinot

Pierre Couderc a écrit :
> Y-a-t-il une méthode pour éviter ce build ?

Le problème vient du fait que vous avez installé le paquet
libboost-xxx-dev, qui a automatiquement installé sa dépendance, le
paquet libboost-xxx1.62-dev. Or, la dépendance du premier vers le second
évolue avec le temps. Il faut donc supprimer le paquet libboost-xxx-dev
(ou plus exactement tous les paquets libboost-*-dev) et installer
explicitement à sa place le paquet libboost-xxx1.62-dev. Cela vous
apportera la stabilité attendue.

Sébastien

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Re: Debian install Question

2021-02-24 Thread Henning Follmann

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 08:49:32PM +0300, IL Ka wrote:
> Hello.
> Try to download and install "debian-10.8.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso"
> from here:
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
> 
>

Please do not do that.


You will find a iso here which includes most of the non-free firmware here:
https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/10.8.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/

Please take the time to read AND understand the information on that site.


-H




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Re: Got a machine name problem

On Wed 24 Feb 2021 at 14:11:35 +, Brian wrote:

> On Tue 23 Feb 2021 at 20:05:11 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> > On Tuesday 23 February 2021 14:29:01 Tom Browder wrote:

[...]

> > > I also edit /etc/hosts and make the first couple of lines look like
> > > this:
> > >
> > > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain.com   localhost
> > > 127.0.1.1 TLM.geneslinuxbox.netTLM
> > 
> > The first line is std here.
> 
> It may be your "standard", but it isn't what the installer gave you.
> Is there a good reason for changing it?

No good reason advanced.

For those users who read this far: ignore this advice; it is
something the OP is programmed to do without putting any
thought or investigation into the matter and isn't of any use.
Stick with what the installer gives you.

-- 
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Re: (deb-cat) Desfragmentacio de l'arrencada

2021-02-24 Thread Ernest Adrogué

2021-02-24, 11:16 (+0100); Jordi Miguel escriu:
> Si ho proves ja ens comentes l'experiència, i si la feina de muntar
> aquestes coses val la pena per estalviar-se comprar un SSD per un
> sistema antic. Amb el preu d'un SSD avui dia sembla difícil de
> justificar el temps per configurar i mantenir aquestes artesanies,
> però sempre és divertit pels amants de la tecnologia.

Exacte... jo també tinc curiositat per saber en quin % es redueix el
temps d'arrencada, amb aquest sistema, però m'imagino que deu ser un %
molt baix.  I per altra banda em pregunto si té sentit fer totes
aquestes optimitzacions i després no recompilar el nucli i tots els
paquets del sistema amb codi màquina optimitzat.

Salutacions.

Re: shadowy, sort of fly by night debian mirrors? ...

2021-02-24 Thread Steve McIntyre

lbrt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Also, I take pride at being from very prejudiced to cautiously racist
>towards those not only "un-Amerikan", but,  even "communist" Chinese
>before they spread the Corona Virus and about the fact that Vladimir

This kind of stuff has *no* place at all on Debian mailing lists, nor
anywhere else in our community. Please keep this kind of garbage to
yourself in future, or you will be blocked from posting to Debian
lists.

Steve, for the Community Team.

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Re: Yahoo, Kmail : pas de réception : résolu

2021-02-24 Thread ajh-valmer

On Wednesday 24 February 2021 11:03:57 MERLIN Philippe wrote:
> J'ai trouvé une solution à ton problème :
> En cherchant sur le net j'ai trouvé ceci :
> 
https://forum.pcastuces.com/pb_pop_nouveau_yahoo_mail_par_outlook_bureau-f23s41364.htm?page=1
> "J'ai enfin résolu le Problème !!
> Je l'écris ici en espérant que cela serve à d'autres!
> Donc dans la boite mail Yahoo ouverte avec son moteur de recherche il faut 
> aller dans "Info Compte"
> Puis à Gauche dans "Sécurité du Compte" > Tout en bas de la page "Gérer les 
> mots de Passe d'Application"
> Il est demandé de choisir l'espace où on reçoit nos mails donc pour moi 
> "Outlook Bureau" et un mot de passe est généré.
> Puis -> Il faut retourner dans son Outlook bureau et là (!) il faut aller
> dans l'onglet Fichier
> et au moment où tu crées (ou recrée pour moi) un compte "Ajouter un Compte"
> il faut choisir POP et quand il est demandé le mot de passe il ne faut pas 
> mettre le mot de passe de la boite mail mais
> le mot de passe "d'Application" qui vient d'être crée !! Et tout fonctionne 
> (ou refonctionne !!) "
> J'ai suivi leur méthode et créé un mot de passe application pour Kmail et 
> comme indiqué mettre dans Kmail le mot de passe donné  pour l'application et 
> non le mot de passe d'accès normal à sa boite mail yahoo.
> Pour moi cela marche très bien, je suis sous Sid à jour et toutes les 
> tentatives de modifier sous SSL Texte en Clair,  ont échoué. Ce problème 
> est un problème Yahoo du à leur politique de sécurité restrictive ignorant
> Les logiciels libres. Amitiés. Philippe Merlin

Bonsoir,

Grand merci Philippe !

Bingo ! En suivant tes intructions ci-dessus "créer un mot de passe 
application" Kmail reçoit bien les mails @Yahoo.com.

Yahoo ne propose pas Kmail, ni Thunderbird (d'autres MUA),
et Thunderbird fonctionne sans mot de passe application.

Sympa de m'avoir si bien aidé.

André Valmer

Re: Got a machine name problem

>
>
> Is that what you want?  A local network defined entirely by hosts files?
> You can do that.  It's easy.  Just edit your /etc/hosts files to contain
> the names and addresses of your machines.
>
> In this scenario, your resolv.conf file will be used only to look up
> hosts that live outside of your local network ("in the cloud").  You
> won't CARE what the default DNS domain name is, because you aren't using
> it.  Your local host lookups will be done by matching the strings that
> you put in your hosts files.
>


IMHO: "hosts" files could only be used in the network that uses static IP
addresses.
In this case neither DHCP client nor NetworkManager should be used, so
nothing should touch ``resolve.conf``.
And that means the DNS server could be used.

Sysadmin simply runs DNS server for the "younetwork.name" domain, adds "A"
record for each PC manually, and
then adds "nameserver" and "domain" to the "resolve.conf" on each station.
Latter is required to access "pc1.yournetwork.name" as "pc1".

To rename a machine one can simply change "A" record on DNS and "hostname"
on station.
All changes are persistent, because nothing overwrites resolve.conf

Changing name in two places (station and DNS) is easier than changing it on
all "hosts" files across your network.

Re: (deb-cat) Desfragmentacio de l'arrencada

2021-02-24 Thread Jordi Miguel

Hola,

Aquestes eines que comentes va ser el primer q vaig pensar en llegir el
correu del Narcís, pero després em vaig adonar que ell no estava pensant en
el cas generic de que tots els trossets d'un fitxer estiguin guardats d
manera consecutiva en el disc, sinó, que a banda de que els fitxers no
estiguin fragmentats, un conjunt de fitxers (els q es llegiran al arrencar)
estiguin emmagatzemats de forma consecutiva.
Fins on tinc entès, les eines de defragmentació de disc generals no
intenten optimitzar aquest cas i això es el que fa el e4rat-lite.
Segurament seria convenient facilitar la feina del e4rat-lite començant amb
un disc que no tingui fragmentació, amb lo qual el combo e4defrag +
e4rat-lite seria interessant de provar.


Fins aviat,
Jordi


El mié., 24 feb. 2021 18:54, Alex Muntada  escribió:

> Hola Jordi
>
> > Almenys existeix una eina que fa el que està buscant el Narcís,
> > es diu e4rat i pots trobar informació al wiki de ArchLinux.
> > Tanmateix l'eina original va quedar una mica "abandonada" i
> > el projecte més actiu és un fork que es diu e4rat-lite
>
> Sembla que les versions recents dels nuclis linux duen activada
> l'opció extend de l'ext4, que permet defragmentar a nivell de
> fitxers amb e4defrag (ja ve amb el paquet e2fsprogs).
>
> Habitualment es deia que els sistemes de fitxers ext3 i ext4
> no es fragmentaven, però sembla que algú va fer una recerca més
> detallada del tema i d'aquí en va sorgir l'eina e4defrag:
>
>
> https://www.hecticgeek.com/defragment-ext4-file-systems-using-e4defrag-ubuntu/
>
> Salut,
> Alex
>
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Re: Debian install Question

2021-02-24 Thread David Christensen


On 2021-02-24 09:47, M.R.P. zensky wrote:

Hello I am installing Debian on a amd processor computer. I connect to the net 
with wifi. I have tried the net install iso and it did not work. I think I need 
the unoficial stable non free firmware included. I select a mirror site but 
Here I am confused about what iso file I want. I am also assuming that I need 
an image for cd-rom. Any help would be apreciated.



I suggest that you try an "unofficial" installer that includes non-free 
firmware:


https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/


David

Re: Touches clavier

2021-02-24 Thread Francois Meyer

Merci de vos premières réponses. Ça semble bien un problème de hardware 
: un clavier externe fonctionne parfaitement, et par contre, xev ne 
détecte rien du tout lorsque les touches concernées sont appuyées.


J'ai projeté de l'air, j'ai démonté les touches pour triturer le 
mécanisme en-dessous, rien n'y fait : des connexions défectueuses, en 
effet, probablement. Je croyais lenovo plus fiable, mais c'est une autre 
question...


François

Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day


On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:


In Schrödinger's Equation of quantum physics, "in practice, the square of
the absolute value of the wave function at each point is taken to define a
probability density function".


 the situation is rather complex  now, after the experiments following
 the Bell's inequalities.
 For example, a lot of people think now that in the Schrodinger's cat
 experiment, the cat is actually alive or dead, before anybody open the door.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: (deb-cat) Desfragmentacio de l'arrencada

2021-02-24 Thread Alex Muntada

Hola Jordi

> Almenys existeix una eina que fa el que està buscant el Narcís,
> es diu e4rat i pots trobar informació al wiki de ArchLinux.
> Tanmateix l'eina original va quedar una mica "abandonada" i
> el projecte més actiu és un fork que es diu e4rat-lite

Sembla que les versions recents dels nuclis linux duen activada
l'opció extend de l'ext4, que permet defragmentar a nivell de
fitxers amb e4defrag (ja ve amb el paquet e2fsprogs).

Habitualment es deia que els sistemes de fitxers ext3 i ext4
no es fragmentaven, però sembla que algú va fer una recerca més
detallada del tema i d'aquí en va sorgir l'eina e4defrag:

https://www.hecticgeek.com/defragment-ext4-file-systems-using-e4defrag-ubuntu/

Salut,
Alex

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Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread Celejar

On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:25:34 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Wednesday 24 February 2021 08:44:06 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
> > Gene Heskett (ghesk...@shentel.net) wrote:

...

> > So, the next question is, "How can I put the line search neener.com
> > into my /etc/resolv.conf file?"  In a sane, sensible universe, it
> > would be easy -- you would just edit the file with a text editor, and
> > that would be the end of it.
> >
> > But we do not live in that universe.
> >
> It hasn't existed since Pottering came on the scene...

Not everything is systemd's fault - this craziness predates systemd, as
explained in https://wiki.debian.org/resolv.conf, mentioned by Greg
below.

> So its not a mystery link to something resolveconf might conjure up, and 
> if it gets changed, NM is famous for that, so it gets restored and a +i 
> applied.
> 
> > The /etc/resolv.conf file is continually, automatically rewritten by a
> > plethora of programs that all think they know what you want.  They're
> > all wrong, of course, but you can't make the developers understand
> > that. Your changes to the /etc/resolv.conf file will be overwritten,
> > probably within an hour.
> >
> > At this point, please read  to
> > see what your options are, for making permanent changes to
> > resolv.conf.  It's really stupidly complicated, and there's no point
> > in my repeating it all here.

Celejar

Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread Greg Wooledge

Gene Heskett (ghesk...@shentel.net) wrote:
> > What *exactly* are you trying to do?

(crickets chirping)

> > How does that work?
> 
> By looking its alias up in /etc/hosts.

I was using rhetorical devices.  If you're truly using a pre-DNS
local network, then a lot of what I said simply does not apply to you.

> > In the file /etc/resolv.conf there are several different kinds of
> > lines that may be present.  One of them is the "search" line.
> 2 lines in that real file.
> 
> search coyote.den
> dnsserver ipv4 address

Your first line is valid.  Your second line is not.  There is no
keyword "dnsserver" in resolv.conf(5).  DNS resolvers are listed here
using the keyword "nameserver".

> It hasn't existed since Pottering came on the scene...

DHCP client daemons overwriting resolv.conf predate systemd by a lot.
This is not a thing that systemd can be blamed for.

> avahi and nm may be solutions a lappy user might need. Damned little is 
> portable here without a multi-ton gantry crane. They are both just 
> problems waiting to bite me, and to be emasculated by whatever means it 
> takes.

If you don't need them, delete them.

> My network was built by me, nothing portable about it, and I don't 
> understand why a dirt simple, static, /etc/hosts based local network, is 
> so damned hard to actually make work.

It's not!

Is that what you want?  A local network defined entirely by hosts files?
You can do that.  It's easy.  Just edit your /etc/hosts files to contain
the names and addresses of your machines.

In this scenario, your resolv.conf file will be used only to look up
hosts that live outside of your local network ("in the cloud").  You
won't CARE what the default DNS domain name is, because you aren't using
it.  Your local host lookups will be done by matching the strings that
you put in your hosts files.

Since you don't care what your resolv.conf file contains, you don't need
to jump through all the hoops involved in trying to prevent daemons from
overwriting it.  Let them.  Ignore them.  Your hostnames are defined in
your hosts files, and nothing will touch those.

Re: Debian install Question

Hello.
Try to download and install "debian-10.8.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso"
from here:
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/



On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 8:48 PM M.R.P. zensky 
wrote:

> Hello I am installing Debian on a amd processor computer. I connect to the
> net with wifi. I have tried the net install iso and it did not work. I
> think I need the unoficial stable non free firmware included. I select a
> mirror site but Here I am confused about what iso file I want. I am also
> assuming that I need an image for cd-rom. Any help would be apreciated.
>

Debian install Question

2021-02-24 Thread M.R.P. zensky

Hello I am installing Debian on a amd processor computer. I connect to the net 
with wifi. I have tried the net install iso and it did not work. I think I need 
the unoficial stable non free firmware included. I select a mirror site but 
Here I am confused about what iso file I want. I am also assuming that I need 
an image for cd-rom. Any help would be apreciated.

Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread Gene Heskett

On Wednesday 24 February 2021 08:44:06 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> Gene Heskett (ghesk...@shentel.net) wrote:
> > But wtf? I have edited "sudo nano" /etc/domainname, did not set the
> > i bit, and the edit is still there, but asking for it is (none)
>
> There is no such file on my system.  What made you think that you
> should create this file?  What program did you think would use it?
>
> > domainname domain.name changes it only for this boot, a reboot
> > clears it to (none) again.
>
>domainname - show or set the system's NIS/YP domain name
>
> Are you using NIS?  If you are, you should be configuring the NIS
> domain name in the file /etc/defaultdomain (which is read by
> /etc/init.d/nis which is what the systemd unit points to, because
> apparently Debian's NIS packaging is not fully updated for systemd).
>
> But I think you're actually just confused, and you aren't using NIS,
> but somehow you've started poking around at various pieces of NIS
> without realizing it.  And you've also mixed up command names and
> filenames.
>
> > So I must have screwed something up with that edit, but how do I fix
> > it?
>
> What *exactly* are you trying to do?
>
> Are you trying to set your default DNS domain name, which is used to
> search for fully qualified hostnames when you only type partial
> hostnames?
>
> E.g. let's pretend you work for a company named Neener and they use
> the domain name neener.com for their internal hosts.  You're at your
> desk in the Neener HQ, and you're using a Unix workstation that
> they've set up for you.  It has the hostname "ws43", or
> "ws43.neener.com".
>
> Now, you want to ssh into your coworker's workstation, which has the
> hostname "ws31", or "ws31.neener.com".
>
> Since it isn't the 1980s, your workplace has set up a DNS
> infrastructure that lets you obtain the IP address of ws31.neener.com
> (and all the other workstations, servers, and so on).  So, if you were
> to type
> "ssh ws31.neener.com", that would work.  You'd get the IP address of
> ws31.neener.com from DNS, and you'd connect to the correct
> workstation.
>
> But that's a lot of typing.  So your workplace has also arranged
> things so that you can simply type "ssh ws31", and that will also
> work.
>
> How does that work?

By looking its alias up in /etc/hosts.

> In the file /etc/resolv.conf there are several different kinds of
> lines that may be present.  One of them is the "search" line.
2 lines in that real file.

search coyote.den
dnsserver ipv4 address

which is the local domain name. And that does show up in the 
dnsdomainname report. That just started working but I've no clue why.

> If the resolv.conf file contains the line "search neener.com", this
> means any hostname that you try to resolve which doesn't contain a dot
> will get ".neener.com" appended to it.  So, when you try to resolve
> "ws31", the DNS resolver library will automatically try
> "ws31.neener.com" for you.
>
> So, the next question is, "How can I put the line search neener.com
> into my /etc/resolv.conf file?"  In a sane, sensible universe, it
> would be easy -- you would just edit the file with a text editor, and
> that would be the end of it.
>
> But we do not live in that universe.
>
It hasn't existed since Pottering came on the scene...
So its not a mystery link to something resolveconf might conjure up, and 
if it gets changed, NM is famous for that, so it gets restored and a +i 
applied.

> The /etc/resolv.conf file is continually, automatically rewritten by a
> plethora of programs that all think they know what you want.  They're
> all wrong, of course, but you can't make the developers understand
> that. Your changes to the /etc/resolv.conf file will be overwritten,
> probably within an hour.
>
> At this point, please read  to
> see what your options are, for making permanent changes to
> resolv.conf.  It's really stupidly complicated, and there's no point
> in my repeating it all here.
>
I just read it, Stupid is not an adequate description.

> THAT is how you set your default DNS domain name, and THAT is what it
> means to have a default DNS domain name in the first place.  It's not
> about your own hostname.  It's about shortening what you have to type
> when you resolve *other* hostnames within your organization's
> namespace.

Well, its now working. If I suddenly develop a bad case of the 
169.it.is.flu in my routing table, synaptic won't let me remove avahi or 
nm without totally destroying the system, but nothing complains if I 
nuke the binaries.

avahi and nm may be solutions a lappy user might need. Damned little is 
portable here without a multi-ton gantry crane. They are both just 
problems waiting to bite me, and to be emasculated by whatever means it 
takes.

My network was built by me, nothing portable about it, and I don't 
understand why a dirt simple, static, /etc/hosts based local network, is 
so damned hard to actually make work. It doesn't need a dns server other

Re: Touches clavier

2021-02-24 Thread Bruno Volpi


Bonjour,

connecte un clavier USB , si le problème est le même tu pourra envisager 
un changement de driver.


Mais au vu du problème il semblerai que ce soit hardware . tu peux 
essayer si tu as une bombe à air ( ou compresseur air comprimé ) de 
souffler . Mais en générale c'est la matrice qui a des connections 
défectueuses.


Bruno

Le 24/02/2021 à 17:35, Francois Meyer a écrit :

Bonjour à tous

Certaines touches de mon clavier (lenovo thinkpad) ont cessé de 
fonctionner. De l'extérieur, tout va bien, et même en démontant la 
touche, le mécanisme en-dessous semble ok. Il va probablement partir 
en atelier (sous garantie), mais avant j'essaie de voir si je peux le 
réparer moi-même. Les windowsiens conseillent de changer ou recharger 
le pilote de clavier, ou de changer certains paramètres, apparemment 
cela peut résoudre ce type de problème. Est-ce qu'on a l'équivalent 
avec debian ? Je ne parle pas de changer la disposition des touches 
(ça j'ai essayé, ça n'a rien changé).


Bonne fin de journée

François

Re: Touches clavier

2021-02-24 Thread Basile Starynkevitch



On 2/24/21 5:35 PM, Francois Meyer wrote:

Bonjour à tous

Certaines touches de mon clavier (lenovo thinkpad) ont cessé de 
fonctionner. De l'extérieur, tout va bien, et même en démontant la 
touche, le mécanisme en-dessous semble ok. Il va probablement partir 
en atelier (sous garantie), mais avant j'essaie de voir si je peux le 
réparer moi-même. Les windowsiens conseillent de changer ou recharger 
le pilote de clavier, ou de changer certains paramètres, apparemment 
cela peut résoudre ce type de problème. Est-ce qu'on a l'équivalent 
avec debian ?



Si on tourne sous Xorg, il faut installer et utiliser l'utilitaire 
xev(1) .



Ca permet de comprendre quels codes le serveur Xorg traite.


Une fois que la touche est réputée fonctionner, voir xmodmap(1) 




Après, c'est une question de logiciel, et on a éliminé (ou détecté) le 
problème matériel.



Librement

--
Basile Starynkevitch  
(only mine opinions / les opinions sont miennes uniquement)
92340 Bourg-la-Reine, France
web page: starynkevitch.net/Basile/

Re: Boost version

2021-02-24 Thread Cyrille



Bonsoir
A tout hasard

geler le paquet dans sa version libboost_x.1.62 (donc réinstaller
cette version, elle doit encore être dans le cache d'apt)

apt hold 
Afin qu'il ne se mette plus à jour


Ou un lien symbolique de la nouvelle version vers la 1.62


Mes 2 sous, mais je ne suis pas un pro.. .mais ça peut ouvrir des pistes


?

++
Cyrille


Le Wed, 24 Feb 2021 09:22:43 +0100,
Pierre Couderc  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
> 
> J'utilise un "main" C++ avec boost
> 
> avec par exemple libboost_x (quelle que soit la librairie).
> 
> Lors du build, libboost_x.1.62     a été "linké".
> 
> 
> Mais au prochain "apt upgrade",  libboost_x.1.62 est remplacé par 
> libboost_x.1.71 et mon application refuse de s’exécuter faute de 
> libboost_x.1.62
> 
> Ce qui oblige à refaire un build dont je ne veux point.
> 
> Y-a-t-il une méthode pour éviter ce build ?
> 
> Merci.
> 
> PC
> 
> 



-- 
Je reste lucide, 
Optimiste jusqu'au suicide, 
Y a-t-il une autre alternative ?
 === NACHT UND NEBEL (Txantxo) ===

Touches clavier

2021-02-24 Thread Francois Meyer


Bonjour à tous

Certaines touches de mon clavier (lenovo thinkpad) ont cessé de 
fonctionner. De l'extérieur, tout va bien, et même en démontant la 
touche, le mécanisme en-dessous semble ok. Il va probablement partir en 
atelier (sous garantie), mais avant j'essaie de voir si je peux le 
réparer moi-même. Les windowsiens conseillent de changer ou recharger le 
pilote de clavier, ou de changer certains paramètres, apparemment cela 
peut résoudre ce type de problème. Est-ce qu'on a l'équivalent avec 
debian ? Je ne parle pas de changer la disposition des touches (ça j'ai 
essayé, ça n'a rien changé).


Bonne fin de journée

François

Re: shadowy, sort of fly by night debian mirrors? ...

2021-02-24 Thread Reco

Hi.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:27:31AM -0500, Albretch Mueller wrote:
>  sorry, bad wording typing fast. what I meant is that I use the wget
> setting "--server-response" and keep my logs, but all I could see in
> the logs was:
> 
> WARNING: certificate common name `ftp.acc.umu.se' doesn't match
> requested host name `chuangtzu.ftp.acc.umu.se'.

And "openssl x509" helpfully shows that chuangtzu.ftp.acc.umu.se uses
the certificate issued to "CN = ftp.acc.umu.se" by LetsEncrypt, and has
chuangtzu.ftp.acc.umu.se in the "X509v3 Subject Alternative Name"
section.
I.e. the certificate is as valid as you consider LetsEncrypt to be.

Debian's wget uses GnuTLS for https, and GnuTLS can be quirky in this
regard.

>  I had never seen anything like that in my logs before, let alone from
> debian mirrors. Why would they not protocol their server responses as
> every server does?

Because less is more. As seen above, all you get is a false positive.
The less garbage fill your logs - the clearer the cause of the problem
is.

>  Yes, I have plenty of reasons to believe "they are watching 'me' (and
> 'you' and every one and their pets)".
...

Dear Albretch, you're in a in-between position here.

Either try to approach to the problem as an engineer. For instance,
judging a host by host name is not racist, it's highly inaccurate at
best (I'll refrain from stronger terms). According to RIPE, umu.se is a
perfectly valid Swedish domain, registered back in '87.

Or, try to approach a problem as complete lunatic. In this case, your
rant clearly lacks mentioning of nano-chips that are included in each
and every COVID vaccine shot, an ability to control said nano-chips via
5G, and last, but not least - the secret cabal which benefits from it.

To be serious, first approach is welcome here. Please try second
approach elsewhere.

Reco

Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day

2021-02-24 Thread Nicholas Geovanis

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 10:16 AM Nicholas Geovanis 
wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 7:57 AM Pierre Frenkiel 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>>
>> > Quantum physics principles manifest in software, seen it before. The
>> closer
>> > you look, the more dice you have to roll
>> >
>> but according Einstein, God doesn't play dice
>> it seems he was wrong, this time
>>
>
> But of course Einstein said that in response to the work of Heisenberg and
> Bohr. Which was also quite experimental as well as theoretical. Probability
> is predictive at the sub-atomic level.
>

In Schrödinger's Equation of quantum physics, "in practice, the square of
the absolute value of the wave function at each point is taken to define a
probability density function".

best regards,
>> --
>> Pierre Frenkiel
>>
>

Re: shadowy, sort of fly by night debian mirrors? ...

2021-02-24 Thread Andy Smith

Albrecht,

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:27:31AM -0500, Albretch Mueller wrote:
> I take pride at being from very prejudiced to cautiously racist
> towards those not only "un-Amerikan", but,  even "communist"
> Chinese before they spread the Corona Virus…

Your racist conspiracy theories are not only abhorrent but also a
violation of Debian's Code of Conduct. Please do not post this kind
of thing to any part of Debian's infrastructure again (or
preferably, anywhere, ever, but it is specifically not tolerated
at Debian).

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/02/msg00010.html
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct

Thanks,
Andy

-- 
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Re: How to self-load non-freeware firmware on existing netinst ISO installer

On Wed 24 Feb 2021 at 11:14:59 -0500, John Boxall wrote:

> 
> 
> On 2021-02-24 11:07 a.m., Brian wrote:
> > On Wed 24 Feb 2021 at 22:51:05 +0800, Robbi Nespu wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > TLDR; I want  firmware-iwlwifi  already loaded and working during Debian
> > > installation phase, not after install.
> > 
> > This is from memory; I haven't done it for some time.
> > 
> > 1. The USB stick you boot from will have empty space or a secomd
> > partition.
> > 
> > 2. Extract the firmware files from the .deb and put them on the
> > stick.
> > 
> > 3. Boot and change to console 2: ALT-F2.
> > 
> > 4. Mount the partition holding the firmware on /mnt.
> > 
> > 5. Create /lib/firmware: mkdir /lib/firmware and transfer the
> > firmware there.
> > 
> > 6. ALT-F1 to go back to d-i. d-i should now find the firmware.
> > 
> 
> Alternatively, you can extract the firmware files to a different USB stick
> and put them in the root of that one, insert both and the installer will
> find the files when you boot the original USB stick.

Indeed. However, the problem (unless I am misunderstanding) is that
the firmware is not even being found on the non-free netinstall,
which is the whole point of having that image available.

-- 
Brian.

Re: shadowy, sort of fly by night debian mirrors? ...

2021-02-24 Thread Albretch Mueller

sorry, bad wording typing fast. what I meant is that I use the wget
setting "--server-response" and keep my logs, but all I could see in
the logs was:

WARNING: certificate common name `ftp.acc.umu.se' doesn't match
requested host name `chuangtzu.ftp.acc.umu.se'.
2021-02-17 11:14:47
URL:https://chuangtzu.ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-10.8.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso
[4697370624/4697370624] -> "debian-10.8.0-amd64-DVD-2.iso" [1]

WARNING: certificate common name `ftp.acc.umu.se' doesn't match
requested host name `laotzu.ftp.acc.umu.se'.
2021-02-17 11:46:46
URL:https://laotzu.ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-10.8.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso
[4679073792/4679073792] -> "debian-10.8.0-amd64-DVD-3.iso" [1]

I had never seen anything like that in my logs before, let alone from
debian mirrors. Why would they not protocol their server responses as
every server does?

Yes, I have plenty of reasons to believe "they are watching 'me' (and
'you' and every one and their pets)". That is why I effing never
connect my main work computer to the Internet and the greatest part of
my paranoia is that at the end of the day anyone can take that data
and check it (of course, offline), provided you are able to get a hold
of an uncorrupted data set somehow. It is as simple as that!

Also, I take pride at being from very prejudiced to cautiously racist
towards those not only "un-Amerikan", but, even "communist" Chinese
before they spread the Corona Virus and about the fact that Vladimir
Putin hasn't been able to take away my girlfriend, yet. I would have
been a bit less racist towards them (just a bit) if they had infected
Trump and his wife earlier to make him shut the eff up. I heard they
had been cooking some other virus to make people stop thumbing their
cell phones as teen agers touch their genitals. As John Lennon sang,
"Imagine!" what would have been of Trump without tweeting! If those
Chinese lowlifes would had managed that I would have stopped being
racist towards them for a weekend.

lbrtchx

Re: [OT] Re: Sobre ffmpeg.

2021-02-24 Thread Matias Mucciolo



- Original Message -
> From: "Rivera Valdez" 
> To: "debian-user-spanish" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 1:19:09 PM
> Subject: [OT] Re: Sobre ffmpeg.

> On 2/7/21, Eduardo Jorge Gil Michelena  wrote:
>>  A ver...
>> LINUX jamás ha tenido buenos programas para manejar/editar videos. (...)
>> Con LINUX... olvídate.
>> Así que si te pinta por ahí algún Windows prestado puedes usar el
>> FormatFactory (...) Imposible (o por lo menos muy difícil) mejorar el 
>> desempeño
>> del FormatFactory.
>>
>> Si te empecinas y lo quieres hacer con LINUX... bueh... lo que tienes es el
>> FFMPEG (...): incluye una herramienta de línea de comandos para convertir
>> audio o video de un formato a otro... o sea te rompes la cabeza tratando de
>> usar linea de comandos que para algunos "nerds" será muy "cool" pero...
>> para otros como YO que lidié con líneas de comandos desde que comencé
>> (1974) en esto de la informática NOS TIENE PODRIDOS, CANSADOS...
>> es un incordio.
>> (...)
>> Ahora... MI recomendación es que si necesitas trabajar seguido con videos...
>> usa Windows, en LINUX HAY muy pocas cosas "masomeno" aceptables para editar
>> / transcodificar videos.
> 
> ¿Tiene moderador esta lista?
> Porque me da la impresión que largas "respuestas" que en lugar de colaborar
> en buscar soluciones a los problemas de Debian dentro del ámbito de Debian
> (y sus principios y Contrato Social[0]) se dilatan en historias personales que
> tienen por único propósito afirmar que "LINUX para esto es basura" (que aún
> si lo fuera, esta lista es para buscar soluciones con y dentro de esa 
> "basura")
> y encima hacerle publicidad enfática a Windows y demás software cerrados,
> privativos, perfectamente podría ser considerado spam.
> Por lo pronto, y como mínimo, roba tiempo de lectura que podría aprovecharse
> en encontrar soluciones a las dificultades del usuario de Debian dentro del
> ámbito de Debian (que es para lo que existe una lista de usuarios de Debian),
> ¿no?
> 
> Saludos para todos
> 
> [0] https://www.debian.org/social_contract.es.html



Exactamente..esta lista es para soporte y discusiones sobre debian...
don't feed the trolls ..

saludos
Matias.

[OT] Re: Sobre ffmpeg.

2021-02-24 Thread riveravaldez

On 2/7/21, Eduardo Jorge Gil Michelena  wrote:
>  A ver...
> LINUX jamás ha tenido buenos programas para manejar/editar videos. (...)
> Con LINUX... olvídate.
> Así que si te pinta por ahí algún Windows prestado puedes usar el
> FormatFactory (...) Imposible (o por lo menos muy difícil) mejorar el 
> desempeño
> del FormatFactory.
>
> Si te empecinas y lo quieres hacer con LINUX... bueh... lo que tienes es el
> FFMPEG (...): incluye una herramienta de línea de comandos para convertir
> audio o video de un formato a otro... o sea te rompes la cabeza tratando de
> usar linea de comandos que para algunos "nerds" será muy "cool" pero...
> para otros como YO que lidié con líneas de comandos desde que comencé
> (1974) en esto de la informática NOS TIENE PODRIDOS, CANSADOS...
> es un incordio.
> (...)
> Ahora... MI recomendación es que si necesitas trabajar seguido con videos...
> usa Windows, en LINUX HAY muy pocas cosas "masomeno" aceptables para editar
> / transcodificar videos.

¿Tiene moderador esta lista?
Porque me da la impresión que largas "respuestas" que en lugar de colaborar
en buscar soluciones a los problemas de Debian dentro del ámbito de Debian
(y sus principios y Contrato Social[0]) se dilatan en historias personales que
tienen por único propósito afirmar que "LINUX para esto es basura" (que aún
si lo fuera, esta lista es para buscar soluciones con y dentro de esa "basura")
y encima hacerle publicidad enfática a Windows y demás software cerrados,
privativos, perfectamente podría ser considerado spam.
Por lo pronto, y como mínimo, roba tiempo de lectura que podría aprovecharse
en encontrar soluciones a las dificultades del usuario de Debian dentro del
ámbito de Debian (que es para lo que existe una lista de usuarios de Debian),
¿no?

Saludos para todos

[0] https://www.debian.org/social_contract.es.html

Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day

2021-02-24 Thread Nicholas Geovanis

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 7:57 AM Pierre Frenkiel 
wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>
> > Quantum physics principles manifest in software, seen it before. The
> closer
> > you look, the more dice you have to roll
> >
> but according Einstein, God doesn't play dice
> it seems he was wrong, this time
>

But of course Einstein said that in response to the work of Heisenberg and
Bohr. Which was also quite experimental as well as theoretical. Probability
is predictive at the sub-atomic level.

best regards,
> --
> Pierre Frenkiel
>
>

Re: How to self-load non-freeware firmware on existing netinst ISO installer

2021-02-24 Thread John Boxall





On 2021-02-24 11:07 a.m., Brian wrote:

On Wed 24 Feb 2021 at 22:51:05 +0800, Robbi Nespu wrote:

[...]


TLDR; I want  firmware-iwlwifi  already loaded and working during Debian
installation phase, not after install.


This is from memory; I haven't done it for some time.

1. The USB stick you boot from will have empty space or a secomd
partition.

2. Extract the firmware files from the .deb and put them on the
stick.

3. Boot and change to console 2: ALT-F2.

4. Mount the partition holding the firmware on /mnt.

5. Create /lib/firmware: mkdir /lib/firmware and transfer the
firmware there.

6. ALT-F1 to go back to d-i. d-i should now find the firmware.



Alternatively, you can extract the firmware files to a different USB 
stick and put them in the root of that one, insert both and the 
installer will find the files when you boot the original USB stick.

--
Regards,

John Boxall

Re: How to self-load non-freeware firmware on existing netinst ISO installer

On Wed 24 Feb 2021 at 22:51:05 +0800, Robbi Nespu wrote:

[...]

> TLDR; I want  firmware-iwlwifi  already loaded and working during Debian
> installation phase, not after install.

This is from memory; I haven't done it for some time.

1. The USB stick you boot from will have empty space or a secomd
   partition.

2. Extract the firmware files from the .deb and put them on the
   stick.

3. Boot and change to console 2: ALT-F2.

4. Mount the partition holding the firmware on /mnt.

5. Create /lib/firmware: mkdir /lib/firmware and transfer the
   firmware there.

6. ALT-F1 to go back to d-i. d-i should now find the firmware.

-- 
Brian.

Re: zoom

2021-02-24 Thread riveravaldez

On 1/17/21, Camaleón  wrote:
> El 2021-01-17 a las 12:29 -0500, diego leon giraldo garcia escribió:
>
>> buenas tardes lista
>> una pregunta muchachos si voy a instalar zoom como root desde
>> /tmp/mozilla_diego0 donde tengo zoom_amd64.deb
>
> Yo suelo instalar los paquetes ajenos a los repositorios de Debian
> (LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird...) en /opt.

Sólo por si acaso: en la idea de evitar instalar paquetes ajenos a los
repositorios oficiales de Debian menciono que otra posibilidad, por
ejemplo para instalar Zoom, es usar flatpak-flathub.
Lo he probado -por trabajo- en algunas notebooks y funciona bien.
¡Saludos!

Re: Yahoo, Kmail : pas de réception

2021-02-24 Thread NoSpam




Le 24/02/2021 à 13:24, ajh-valmer a écrit :

[...]
PS : "l'envoi du message a échoué car le serveur a rejeté les destinataires
suivants : no-spam@tootai.invalid (Le serveur a répondu : « 5.1.2
: Recipient address rejected: Domain not found)".


Et ? Qui y'a t'il de surprenant ?

--
Daniel

Re: How to self-load non-freeware firmware on existing netinst ISO installer

2021-02-24 Thread Kenneth Parker

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 10:09 AM Robbi Nespu  wrote:

> I have another laptop which dual boot with Fedora and Windows10, it is not
> my primary laptop since 9 months ago and I haven't used it since then. I
> plan to fully install Debian testing on this machine because this laptop
> has dual graphic cards (optimus) and theoretically, with Debian 11 (or
> newer), special configuration shouldn't be needed and offloading should be
> available as soon as you've installed the proprietary drivers[1]. This
> machine has a faulty LAN port and only 1 of 3 USB ports are usable. So I
> can only use 1 USB per time and only WIFI for the network connection.
>
> Since Debian provides an unofficial netinst image for i386/amd64/powerpc
> with the non-free firmware, I go and download the ISO[2] and make a
> bootable USB installer.
>
> But when I during the installation process (on "detect network hardware"
> phase),   debian-installer dialog  asked me to load 2 firmware which is
> iwIwifi-2030-6.ucode and  iwIwifi-2030-5.ucode  .. I feel perplexed about
> this. So I checked the USB, it already have the firmware but with deb
> package format:
>
> /firmware/firmware-iwlwifi_20201218-3_all.deb
> /pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_20201218-3_all.deb
>
> Seems this firmware load on the next stage which is after network setup
> and after do the partitioning stuff. I wonder why, since this is netinst I
> need network working from the during installation process, not after that.
>
> Question :
> a) Is it possible to do self modification on the installation script so
> the wifi chip will be available and working during the installation process
> so I can pull the packages that I want during installation from Debian
> mirror. If yes, how and if no, please suggest me some solutions that don't
> need me to fix LAN port, buy cable and router (since I use wifi hotspot
> from my phone)
>

When I had a situation like that, my workaround was to install without the
Network (but with the netinst CD), stopping at the "minimal system". It
actually gives you a bootable system.  And then, use the external media to
get WiFi working, and go from there.

>
> The precompile firmware are available here[3] and here[4]
>
> TLDR; I want  firmware-iwlwifi  already loaded and working during Debian
> installation phase, not after install.
>
> [1] https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus#PRIMEOffload
> [2]
> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
> [3]
> https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/_media/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi-2030-ucode-18.168.6.1.tgz
> [4] https://github.com/OpenELEC/iwlwifi-firmware/tree/master/firmware
>

Kenneth Parker

>
>

Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread Stefan Monnier

> Tomas, please read posts more carefully :-)

FWIW, `man hostname` also mentions /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts.


Stefan

How to self-load non-freeware firmware on existing netinst ISO installer

I have another laptop which dual boot with Fedora and Windows10, it is not
my primary laptop since 9 months ago and I haven't used it since then. I
plan to fully install Debian testing on this machine because this laptop
has dual graphic cards (optimus) and theoretically, with Debian 11 (or
newer), special configuration shouldn't be needed and offloading should be
available as soon as you've installed the proprietary drivers[1]. This
machine has a faulty LAN port and only 1 of 3 USB ports are usable. So I
can only use 1 USB per time and only WIFI for the network connection.

Since Debian provides an unofficial netinst image for i386/amd64/powerpc
with the non-free firmware, I go and download the ISO[2] and make a
bootable USB installer.

But when I during the installation process (on "detect network hardware"
phase),   debian-installer dialog  asked me to load 2 firmware which is
iwIwifi-2030-6.ucode and  iwIwifi-2030-5.ucode  .. I feel perplexed about
this. So I checked the USB, it already have the firmware but with deb
package format:

/firmware/firmware-iwlwifi_20201218-3_all.deb
/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_20201218-3_all.deb

Seems this firmware load on the next stage which is after network setup and
after do the partitioning stuff. I wonder why, since this is netinst I need
network working from the during installation process, not after that.

Question :
a) Is it possible to do self modification on the installation script so the
wifi chip will be available and working during the installation process so
I can pull the packages that I want during installation from Debian mirror.
If yes, how and if no, please suggest me some solutions that don't need me
to fix LAN port, buy cable and router (since I use wifi hotspot from my
phone)

The precompile firmware are available here[3] and here[4]

TLDR; I want  firmware-iwlwifi  already loaded and working during Debian
installation phase, not after install.

[1] https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus#PRIMEOffload
[2]
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
[3]
https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/_media/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi-2030-ucode-18.168.6.1.tgz
[4] https://github.com/OpenELEC/iwlwifi-firmware/tree/master/firmware

Thunderbird problème ouverture des liens dans navigateur

2021-02-24 Thread Billard François-Marie


Bonjour

j'ai mis à jour vers Bullseye ma machine et me retrouve avec ce problème :

quand je suis dans thunderbird les liens qui sont dans les messages ne 
s'ouvrent pas dans Firefox.


J'ai regardé un certain nombre de points, notamment la valeur de ce 
paramètre :


network.protocol-handler.app.http et network.protocol-handler.app.http

qui n'apporte aucune solution qu'il soit avec la valeur firefox ou 
x-www-browser


Merci pour les conseils.

François-Marie

Linux debian-0 5.10.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.13-1 (2021-02-06) 
x86_64 GNU/Linux

Thunderbird 78.7.1 (64 bits)

Firefox 86.0 (64 bits)

Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread Tom Browder

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 08:11 Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> Tom Browder (tom.brow...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > For my LAN hosts as well as my WLAN hosts, I have always used the
> > /etc/hosts file and have never touched the default /etc/resolv.con file.
> >
> > I have never had any problems with connecting to any of those hosts
> except
> > when  adding a new host snd needing to get ssh installed.
>
> This is how things were configured in the early 1980s.  It works, as
> long as you can maintain all of those copies of your hosts file, across
> however many machines you have.
>
> The disadvantages should be clear.  Every time you add a new host,
> you have to go and edit the hosts file on *every other* host, so they
> all know about the new guy.  Each time a host moves and gets a new IP
> address, you have to edit *every* single hosts file.  And so on.

I'm not arguing with you, just saying it works for me and has for many
years (since I was with my former employer when we had our first LAN hookup
with coax cable in 1994ish with SGI hosts mixed with Windows PCs and Redhat
Linux PCs). The most hosts we ever had was about 30 and several of us
shared sysadmin duties.

I've continued that way on my own private network. Gene can probably do the
same.

The "real" way to do it is of course necessary for modern "real" networks
with dedicated sysadmin staff members.

Best regards,

-Tom

Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day


On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:


Your best bet there is alsa with apulse to pretend that it's
PulseAudio.


 the main difference is that it took 15 seconds to install pulseaudio and make 
it
 to work, and after 15 minutes of fight, I'm unable to make apulse to work
 I don't see why I should waste time to to replace a working solution by
 a non-working one.

PS: now, I don't need to re-install. I cross fingers.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: Yahoo, Kmail et Thunderbird : pas de réception

2021-02-24 Thread MERLIN Philippe

Je ne comprends pas cette réponse, Kmail est un logiciel de messagerie 
standard Debian et si on ne peut plus parler des problèmes que l'on rencontre 
en utilisant ce logiciel et que l'on demande de l'aide, je ne vois pas à quoi 
peut servir cette liste. D'autre part si on veux régenter ou faire la police 
de la liste il serait bien de ne pas le faire anonymement. NOSPAM 
Philippe Merlin



Le mardi 23 février 2021, 22:03:36 CET NoSpam a écrit :
> Le 23/02/2021 à 19:39, ajh-valmer a écrit :
> > [...]
> > Merci d'avoir essayé, sympa, enfin une aide efficace :-)
> 
> [...]
> 
> Comme déjà évoqué par d'autres, cette liste s'appelle debian-user-french
> donc entraide sur des problèmes spécifiques Debian. Perso je ne vois
> aucun lien avec yahoo (!?!) et kmail ou thunderbird ne sont en aucun cas
> spécifiques à Debian. J'ajouterai que notifié un HS dans le sujet aurait
> été un plus.

Re: Got a machine name problem

On Tue 23 Feb 2021 at 20:05:11 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 23 February 2021 14:29:01 Tom Browder wrote:
> 
> > Hey, Gene.  I usually have to fiddle around a little, but I've always
> > had success on Debian this way (as root):
> >
> > # hostname TLM
> >
> >edit /etc/hostname and set the desired name to TLM if it's not
> > already changed
> >
> > I also edit /etc/hosts and make the first couple of lines look like
> > this:
> >
> > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain.com   localhost
> > 127.0.1.1 TLM.geneslinuxbox.netTLM
> 
> The first line is std here.

It may be your "standard", but it isn't what the installer gave you.
Is there a good reason for changing it?

> Why should it have the 2nd one?

Your machine hasn't any static external IP address. The system hostname
has to resolve to something and is assigned 127.0.1.1.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread Greg Wooledge

Tom Browder (tom.brow...@gmail.com) wrote:
> For my LAN hosts as well as my WLAN hosts, I have always used the
> /etc/hosts file and have never touched the default /etc/resolv.con file.
> 
> I have never had any problems with connecting to any of those hosts except
> when  adding a new host snd needing to get ssh installed.

This is how things were configured in the early 1980s.  It works, as
long as you can maintain all of those copies of your hosts file, across
however many machines you have.

The disadvantages should be clear.  Every time you add a new host,
you have to go and edit the hosts file on *every other* host, so they
all know about the new guy.  Each time a host moves and gets a new IP
address, you have to edit *every* single hosts file.  And so on.

With a small number of hosts, with no changes occurring, you may be fine,
and you'll never need to change how you work.

For everyone else, there's DNS.

Re: Yahoo, Kmail et Thunderbird : pas de réception

2021-02-24 Thread MERLIN Philippe

Salut,
J'ai trouvé une solution à ton problème :
En cherchant sur le net j'ai trouvé ceci :
https://forum.pcastuces.com/pb_pop_nouveau_yahoo_mail_par_outlook_bureau-f23s41364.htm?page=1
Lou PbYahoo du 16/11/2020
Copier Coller
-
"J'ai enfin résolu le Problème !!

Je l'écris ici en espérant que cela serve à d'autres!

Donc dans la boite mail Yahoo ouverte avec son moteur de recherche il faut 
aller dans "Info Compte"

Puis à Gauche dans "Sécurité du Compte" > Tout en bas de la page "Gérer les 
mots de Passe d'Application"

Il est demandé de choisir l'espace où on reçoit nos mails donc pour moi 
"Outlook Bureau" et un mot de passe est généré.

Puis -> Il faut retourner dans son Outlook bureau et là (!) il faut aller dans 
l'onglet Fichier

et au moment où tu crées (ou recrée pour moi) un compte "Ajouter un Compte"

il faut choisir POP et quand il est demandé le mot de passe il ne faut pas 
mettre le mot de passe de la boite mail mais

le mot de passe "d'Application" qui vient d'être crée !! Et tout fonctionne 
(ou refonctionne !!) "
--
J'ai suivi leur méthode et créé un mot de passe application pour Kmail et 
comme indiqué mettre dans Kmail le mot de passe donné  pour l'application et 
non le mot de passe d'accès normal à sa boite mail yahoo.
Pour moi cela marche très bien, je suis sous Sid à jour et toutes les 
tentatives de modifier sous SSL Texte en Clair,  ont échoué. Ce problème 
est un problème Yahoo du à leur politique de sécurité restrictive ignorant Les 
logiciels libres.
Amitiés.
Philippe Merlin



Le mardi 23 février 2021, 20:55:46 CET didier gaumet a écrit :
> Le 23/02/2021 à 19:39, ajh-valmer a écrit :
> > Merci d'avoir essayé, sympa, enfin une aide efficace :-)
> > 
> > Kmail (TDE), je sais pas pourquoi ça va pas :
> > Voici mes configs :
> > -Mail : @yahoo.com
> > -Serveur : pop.mail.yahoo.com > -Port : 995
> > -Système : Debian Buster
> > J'utilise systemd
> > Méthode d'identification : Que faut-il mettre ?
> > - Texte en clair
> > - LOGIN
> > - PLAIN
> 
> je dirais LOGIN
> 
> > Sous Kmail, on peut obtenir automatiquement ces configs par :
> > "Vérifier ce que le serveur peut gérer",
> > Si je clique, pas de dialogue possible avec le serveur Yahoo (blocage),
> > alors qu'avec les autres comptes, ça répond instantanément.
> > 
> > Du nouveau : j'ai créé un nouveau compte @yahoo.com
> > et là, ça marche... mais qu'avec Thunderbird.
> 
> Essaie de reproduire le même paramétrage dans Kmail que dans thunderbird
> (Edition->Paramètres des comptes->le compte yahoo->paramètres serveur:
> chez moi c'est de l'IMAP, sécurité SSL/TLS, authentification OAuth2). Si
> tu n'arrives à rien avec ton Kmail ça peut vouloir dire (j'en sais rien,
> j'ai pas vérifié) que le Kmail de Trinity n'incorpore pas certaines
> fonctions car trop vieux ou pas assez développé, ou que tu n'as pas
> installé/paramétré certaines fonctions/bibliothèques de Trinity dans
> Debian ou qu'il faut bidouiller pour parfaire l'intégration de Trinity
> qui n'est pas suffisante dans Debian, ou...
> 
> Si rien ne marche, tu peux vérifier que le Kmail de KDE/plasma
> fonctionne avec Yahoo en testant un liveCD/DVD debian KDE (pour éviter
> de risquer de polluer ton install Trinity sur ton PC avec des morceaux
> de vrai KDE/Plasma)

Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day


On Wed, 24 Feb 2021, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:


Quantum physics principles manifest in software, seen it before. The closer
you look, the more dice you have to roll 


   but according Einstein, God doesn't play dice
   it seems he was wrong, this time

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread Tom Browder

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 07:44 Greg Wooledge  wrote:

> Gene Heskett (ghesk...@shentel.net) wrote:
> > But wtf? I have edited "sudo nano" /etc/domainname, did not set the i
> > bit, and the edit is still there, but asking for it is (none)

...

For my LAN hosts as well as my WLAN hosts, I have always used the
/etc/hosts file and have never touched the default /etc/resolv.con file.

I have never had any problems with connecting to any of those hosts except
when  adding a new host snd needing to get ssh installed.

-Tom

Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day

2021-02-24 Thread Dan Ritter

Pierre Frenkiel wrote: 
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> > Could be an option. What do you need pulseaudio for that
> > isn't handled by alsa, jack and/or apulse?
> 
> it's needed to have sound on youtube.
> I tried your other suggestions a long time ago, and could not make them to 
> work.
> I'll try again today

Your best bet there is alsa with apulse to pretend that it's
PulseAudio.

-dsr-

Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread Greg Wooledge

Gene Heskett (ghesk...@shentel.net) wrote:
> But wtf? I have edited "sudo nano" /etc/domainname, did not set the i 
> bit, and the edit is still there, but asking for it is (none)

There is no such file on my system.  What made you think that you should
create this file?  What program did you think would use it?

> domainname domain.name changes it only for this boot, a reboot clears it 
> to (none) again.

   domainname - show or set the system's NIS/YP domain name

Are you using NIS?  If you are, you should be configuring the NIS domain
name in the file /etc/defaultdomain (which is read by /etc/init.d/nis
which is what the systemd unit points to, because apparently Debian's NIS
packaging is not fully updated for systemd).

But I think you're actually just confused, and you aren't using NIS, but
somehow you've started poking around at various pieces of NIS without
realizing it.  And you've also mixed up command names and filenames.

> So I must have screwed something up with that edit, but how do I fix it?

What *exactly* are you trying to do?

Are you trying to set your default DNS domain name, which is used to
search for fully qualified hostnames when you only type partial hostnames?

E.g. let's pretend you work for a company named Neener and they use the
domain name neener.com for their internal hosts.  You're at your desk
in the Neener HQ, and you're using a Unix workstation that they've set
up for you.  It has the hostname "ws43", or "ws43.neener.com".

Now, you want to ssh into your coworker's workstation, which has the
hostname "ws31", or "ws31.neener.com".

Since it isn't the 1980s, your workplace has set up a DNS infrastructure
that lets you obtain the IP address of ws31.neener.com (and all the other
workstations, servers, and so on).  So, if you were to type
"ssh ws31.neener.com", that would work.  You'd get the IP address of
ws31.neener.com from DNS, and you'd connect to the correct workstation.

But that's a lot of typing.  So your workplace has also arranged things
so that you can simply type "ssh ws31", and that will also work.

How does that work?

In the file /etc/resolv.conf there are several different kinds of lines
that may be present.  One of them is the "search" line.

If the resolv.conf file contains the line "search neener.com", this means
any hostname that you try to resolve which doesn't contain a dot will
get ".neener.com" appended to it.  So, when you try to resolve "ws31",
the DNS resolver library will automatically try "ws31.neener.com" for
you.

So, the next question is, "How can I put the line search neener.com into
my /etc/resolv.conf file?"  In a sane, sensible universe, it would be
easy -- you would just edit the file with a text editor, and that would
be the end of it.

But we do not live in that universe.

The /etc/resolv.conf file is continually, automatically rewritten by a
plethora of programs that all think they know what you want.  They're
all wrong, of course, but you can't make the developers understand that.
Your changes to the /etc/resolv.conf file will be overwritten, probably
within an hour.

At this point, please read  to see
what your options are, for making permanent changes to resolv.conf.  It's
really stupidly complicated, and there's no point in my repeating it
all here.

THAT is how you set your default DNS domain name, and THAT is what it
means to have a default DNS domain name in the first place.  It's not
about your own hostname.  It's about shortening what you have to type
when you resolve *other* hostnames within your organization's namespace.

Re: blocage au démarrage /var/ plein

2021-02-24 Thread Stephane Ascoet


Le 22/02/2021 à 10:22, Erwann Le Bras a écrit :

3. un "barbu" appréciera un petit script en crontab "/hourly/" qui
   envoie un mail ou un sms en cas d'espace disque insuffisant
   (c-à-d à 80 ou 90% de l'espace occupé) ; un curieux
   expérimentateur ira regarder du côté de Nagios


J'ai fait ca sur mon GOBook, lance toutes les minutes, plus pour pallier 
les mauvaises manipulations de l'utilisateur(moi-meme) comme mettre trop 
de gros trucs dans /tmp que pour les problemes de journaux. J'aimerais 
avoir le temps, les competences et la motivation pour rajouter d'autres 
tests, comme celui d'une batterie presque vide, etc.
Par contre, pas de courriel ni de SMS, selon la presence ou pas d'un 
serveur X ca fait plutot un truc style wall et/ou un xmessage

--
Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet

Re: blocage au démarrage /var/ plein

2021-02-24 Thread Stephane Ascoet


Le 22/02/2021 à 10:38, Pierre Malard a écrit :

Salut,

J’aurais tendance à conseiller ceci :
1) sauvegarder le contenu de /var/log sur un autre support
2) Effacer les logs présent par exemple avec un :
   # find /var/log -type f \( -iname "*.[0-9].log" -o -iname "*.[0-9].log.gz" -o -iname "*.[0-9][0-9].log" -o -iname 
"*.[0-9][0-9].log.gz" -o -iname "*.[0-9]" -o -iname "*.[0-9].gz" -o -iname "*.[0-9][0-9]" -o -iname 
"*.[0-9][0-9].gz" \) -exec /bin/rm -f {} \;
Ce qui efface tout fichier log traité par logrotate. Il y a certainement un 
regex fou qui fait ça en un test. Là, au moins, c’est lisible).


Bonjour, quelque chose comme(pas teste a fond, mais la tienne me semble 
supprimer trop de choses): find /var/log -regextype posix-extended 
-regex '.*\.[[:digit:]]+.*' -print | egrep -v 'log$' | xargs mv -t 
/media/fujitsugigamo


Et pour le probleme de fond, reponse facile qui correspondrait a ce que 
je fais depuis toujours: dans ce cas, j'abandonnerai l'idee de mettre en 
mode S3 de veille...


--
Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet

Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day

>
>
> I can't answer that now, because I run
> "ls -l /usr/bin/pulseaudio" every minute to find when it disappears,
> and curiously, it didn't disappear this night
> I'll see what happens after removing  the ls command in cron.
>

You could use ``inotify-tools``
https://packages.debian.org/en/buster/inotify-tools
They are based on kernel inotify api:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify

Re: (deb-cat) Desfragmentacio de l'arrencada

2021-02-24 Thread Narcis Garcia

__
I'm using this dedicated address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
El 24/2/21 a les 11:16, Jordi Miguel ha escrit:
> El mié, 24 feb 2021 a las 10:58, Josep Lladonosa
> () escribió:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 08:47, Narcis Garcia  wrote:
>>>
>>> Quan un ordinador arrenca, executa programes i aquests carreguen
>>> llibreries i fitxers d'arreu del volum de disc.
>>> Això produeix lectures aleatòries de centenars de fitxers amb els blocs
>>> dispersos per tota la unitat ja que, quan es desfragmenta un disc dur,
>>> la única cosa que s'ordena és que cada fitxer tingui els seus blocs de
>>> dades contínus en el disc.
>>>
>>> És a dir, podem tenir fitxers emmagatzemats com a lletres:
>>> A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z
>>>
>>> Però l'arrencada carrega per exemple el gestor d'arrencada (A) el qual
>>> carrega el sistema del nucli (B), i el qual aleshores demana fitxers
>>> d'arreu com R, J, Y, D, K per la qual cosa el capçal d'un disc dur no fa
>>> més que canviar de posició tota l'estona i fent que la càrrega sigui
>>> molt més lenta del què el disc seria capaç de transmetre seqüencialment.
>>> Això es nota molt amb el soroll d'un disc dur quan arrenca el sistema.
>>>
>>> L'ideal en aquest exemple seria poder reorganitzar els blocs del disc així:
>>> A,B,R,J,Y,D,K, C,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,Q,S,T,U,V,W,X,Z
>>> De manera que de la A a la K es llegís tot sense interrupció.
>>>
>>> Hi ha alguna eina que faciliti això per accelerar l'arrencada?
>>
>>
>> La meva proposta passa per afegir maquinari (un ssd on el temps de 
>> "posicionament" és molt petit i més o menys constant).
>> Podríeu teniri un ssd "petitó" utilitzat en forma de memòria cau (estil 
>> bcache)
>> o, directament, tenir un ssd "petitó" per al sistema...
>>
>> SALUT!
>> Josep
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gràcies.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Narcis Garcia
>>>
>>> __
>>> I'm using this dedicated address because personal addresses aren't
>>> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
>>> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Salutacions...Josep
>> --
> 
> Hola,
> 
> Almenys existeix una eina que fa el que està buscant el Narcís, es diu
> e4rat i pots trobar informació al wiki de ArchLinux[1]. Tanmateix
> l'eina original va quedar una mica "abandonada" i el projecte més
> actiu és un fork que es diu e4rat-lite [2]
> Si ho proves ja ens comentes l'experiència, i si la feina de muntar
> aquestes coses val la pena per estalviar-se comprar un SSD per un
> sistema antic. Amb el preu d'un SSD avui dia sembla difícil de
> justificar el temps per configurar i mantenir aquestes artesanies,
> però sempre és divertit pels amants de la tecnologia.
> 
> 
> [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/e4rat
> [2] https://github.com/LendyZhang/e4rat-lite
> 
> 
> Fins aviat,
> Jordi

Per aquí va la cosa.
A veure quan aconsegueixo aprofitar-lo, i aconseguir després
utilitzar-lo de forma una mica pràctica.

Aquest tema m'ha revingut ara per aquest conversa sobre les arrencades
de CD/DVD:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2021/02/msg00032.html

Re: Yahoo, Kmail : pas de réception

2021-02-24 Thread ajh-valmer

On Wednesday 24 February 2021 12:06:08 NoSpam (?) wrote:
> 1. le problème est chez Yahoo, ou est le lien avec Debian ?
> 2. Kmail est, avant d'être Debian, une application KDE. Le support 
> serait donc ici https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved
> 3. NOSPAM, il y a fort longtemps, est une adresse mail qui indiquait que 
> l'on refuse des courriels non sollicités. Si tu suis bien, vois 
> également l'adresse de réponse et fais quelques recherches.
> 4. Les courriels sont signés Daniel. Ceca dit, dois je croire que tu 
> t'appelles réellement Merlin Philippe ;) ?
> Je ne suis pas le seul à faire ce genre de remontées: un minimum de 
> réflexion permet de classifier l'origine d'un problème et de se 
> renseigner auprès de cette communauté.

Le 24/02/2021 à 11:12, MERLIN Philippe a écrit :
> Je ne comprends pas cette réponse, Kmail est un logiciel de 
> messagerie standard Debian et si on ne peut plus parler des 
> problèmes que l'on rencontre en utilisant ce logiciel et que 
> l'on demande de l'aide, je ne vois pas à quoi 
> peut servir cette liste. D'autre part si on veux régenter ou faire la 
> police de la liste il serait bien de ne pas le faire anonymement. NOSPAM
> Philippe Merlin

Bonjour,

Ce n'est pas parce que le mail de Philippe va dans mon sens,
la réponse de noSpam est "du bottage en touche",
il aurait suffit d'écrire de rappeler de mettre [HS] pour un 
mail pas directement Debian pur et dur, ce qui est souvent le cas 
sur cette ML, qui ne me dérange pas, au contraire, qui me fait progresser.

De plus, observation faite à Philippe membre de la ML,
qui lui prend la peine d'aider énormément, donne solutions,
et donc qui joue bien l'entraide Libriste.

Enfin, la communauté Kmail (Trinity) américaine à laquelle
je suis inscrit, n'a pas pu répondre à mon soucis.
Philippe, lui, m'a donné une très bonne piste et je l'en remercie.

A. Valmer

PS : "l'envoi du message a échoué car le serveur a rejeté les destinataires 
suivants : no-spam@tootai.invalid (Le serveur a répondu : « 5.1.2 
: Recipient address rejected: Domain not found)".

Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day

2021-02-24 Thread Nicholas Geovanis

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 3:18 AM Pierre Frenkiel 
wrote:

> 
> I can't answer that now, because I run
> "ls -l /usr/bin/pulseaudio" every minute to find when it disappears,
> and curiously, it didn't disappear this night
>

Quantum physics principles manifest in software, seen it before. The closer
you look, the more dice you have to roll ☺

I'll see what happens after removing  the ls command in cron.
>
> best regards,
> --
> Pierre Frenkiel
>
>

Re: (deb-cat) Desfragmentacio de l'arrencada

2021-02-24 Thread Narcis Garcia

__
I'm using this dedicated address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
El 24/2/21 a les 10:47, Antoni Villalonga ha escrit:
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 08:47:26AM +0100, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>> Quan un ordinador arrenca, executa programes i aquests carreguen
>> llibreries i fitxers d'arreu del volum de disc.
>> Això produeix lectures aleatòries de centenars de fitxers amb els blocs
>> dispersos per tota la unitat ja que, quan es desfragmenta un disc dur,
>> la única cosa que s'ordena és que cada fitxer tingui els seus blocs de
>> dades contínus en el disc.
>>
>> És a dir, podem tenir fitxers emmagatzemats com a lletres:
>> A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z
>>
>> Però l'arrencada carrega per exemple el gestor d'arrencada (A) el qual
>> carrega el sistema del nucli (B), i el qual aleshores demana fitxers
>> d'arreu com R, J, Y, D, K per la qual cosa el capçal d'un disc dur no fa
>> més que canviar de posició tota l'estona i fent que la càrrega sigui
>> molt més lenta del què el disc seria capaç de transmetre seqüencialment.
>> Això es nota molt amb el soroll d'un disc dur quan arrenca el sistema.
>>
>> L'ideal en aquest exemple seria poder reorganitzar els blocs del disc així:
>> A,B,R,J,Y,D,K, C,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,Q,S,T,U,V,W,X,Z
>> De manera que de la A a la K es llegís tot sense interrupció.
>>
>> Hi ha alguna eina que faciliti això per accelerar l'arrencada?
>>
>> Gràcies.
> 
> Hola,
> 
> Una reflexió molt interessant. La veritat és que no conec la forma de fer el
> que demanes ni penso que sigui gens simple. Requeriria tenir una bona
> planificació de l'ordre en que es demanaran els fitxers (més concretament els
> blocs concrets que es necessitaran llegir). El manteniment també seria molt
> costos, replanificant i reorganitzant a cada actualització del sistema.

Evidentment el manteniment s'hauria de programar. En un altre sentit,
per exemple, utilitzo el «preload» i aquest programari és el què s'ocupa
de replanificar els fitxers que es llegeixen per avançat.

> La tendència és a utilitzar cada cop més emmagatzaments d'accés aleatori (SSD,
> etc) on aquestes penalitzacions del seek no existeixen. Un altre factor que
> hauria d'alleugerar aquesta inconveniencia és l'arrencada en paraŀlel, ja que
> el planificador de lectures del nucli les hauria d'agrupar de la millor forma
> (minimitzant el seek time necessari).

Començo a tenir dubtes sobre si realment l'accés a SSD s'està fent de
manera aleatòria, quan resulta que se solen endollar amb S.ATA (*serial*
ATA). La única cosa que em crec és que no hi ha un capçal mòbil; la
resta imagino que ha d'haver un coll d'ampolla coordinant els canvis
d'accés.
Això a banda que li tinc una mica de por a la pèrdua de dades amb SSD:
Ja n'he vist algun que mor, i d'allà no recuperes ni un sol bloc de
dades mai més.
I addicionalment: Hi ha ordinadors on Debian 10 no allibera els blocs de
SSD (trim/discard) i, amb el temps, acaba tenint la mateixa velocitat
que un disc rotatiu.

> Per a un sistema amb disc dur (sense SSD) et proposaria fer una partició de
> sistema minimalista on estigui només el que realment és necessari per a fer el
> boot. La resta de software i dades podrien estar a particions distintes.
> També la utilització de varis discs en RAID0 penso que ajudaria enormement.

Ja havia pensat aquestes estratègies, però això només funciona amb /boot
perquè tant el programari inicial com la resta resideixen als mateixos
arbres de directoris.
Pel què fa al RAID, és molt costós, i el què cerco és una estratègia que
no només em serveixi a mi en particular.

> Altres opcions podrien passar per a evitar fer el procés de boot utilitzant la
> hibernació o suspensió a ram, quan es pugui.

Hi ha casos en què això és fàcil i es converteix en la solució. D'altres no.

> Una discusió que penso que serà eterna és el tema compilacions estàtiques vs
> càrrega de biblioteques dinàmiques.

La solució que intento trobar la voldré aplicar a molts ordinadors, amb
la qual cosa prefereixo respectar el sistema de paquets i que no em
demani un manteniment posterior. Preinstal·lar i deixar configurat.

> M'agradaria llegir millors alternatives.
> 
> Salut!
>

Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread Gene Heskett

On Wednesday 24 February 2021 06:13:16 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 12:58:33PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I have been working on a lower priority project, replacing some atom
> > powered machines with i5 powered Dells. Installing buster but
> > something is overriding my efforts to rename the machine after the
> > install because I'd like to replace "lathe" with "TLM" for The
> > Little Monster.
> >
> > Nothing I do survives a reboot, so what do I do to actually rename
> > the machine and make it stick? Hopefully without losiing the
> > networking which I don't have after the last reboot, probably
> > because of the current volatility of interface names.

> hostnamectl should do it - and it will be permanent
>
> hostnamectl set-hostname [whatever_you_want_goes_here]
>
But sudo that doesn't give it a domainname even if you rename it fqdn 
style, so I put it back.

> All best,

Thanks Andy C.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page

Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread tomas

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 06:14:00AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 February 2021 03:32:04 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 08:21:48PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 23 February 2021 19:22:19 James B wrote:
> > > > With systemd-based Debian, the probably now best way to set a
> > > > hostname is with:
> > > >
> > > > hostnamectl set-hostname NAME
> > > >
> > > > What Tom suggested is completely valid, but hostnamectl should I
> > > > understand be the preferred route [...]
> >
> > ...if you restrict yourself to the systemd world [0], that is.
> >
> > > Does this also have a set-domainname option? This also is
> > > disappearing on a reboot. Not ack the man page so I assume there is
> > > a different method to handle that?
> >
> > Gene, please read the hostname(1) man page.

[...]

> I could spend the rest of my life changing it with variant 1, but when 
> its been powered down overnight, the old name is restored in the morning 
> boot. Now I've tried hostnamectl with its option set-hostname newname.
> And I'm going to power it up right now, brb.

Uh... sorry, you're right. You've got to change /etc/hostname for that.
By whatever means explained in this thread.

Tomas, please read posts more carefully :-)

Apologies
 - t


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Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread Gene Heskett

On Wednesday 24 February 2021 03:32:04 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 08:21:48PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 February 2021 19:22:19 James B wrote:
> > > With systemd-based Debian, the probably now best way to set a
> > > hostname is with:
> > >
> > > hostnamectl set-hostname NAME
> > >
> > > What Tom suggested is completely valid, but hostnamectl should I
> > > understand be the preferred route [...]
>
> ...if you restrict yourself to the systemd world [0], that is.
>
> > Does this also have a set-domainname option? This also is
> > disappearing on a reboot. Not ack the man page so I assume there is
> > a different method to handle that?
>
> Gene, please read the hostname(1) man page. It is short and sweet
> (120 - 240 lines, depending on your screen width). It's all in there.
>
> Choice quotes:
>
> - from the top
>   NAME
>hostname - show or set the system's host name
>domainname - show or set the system's NIS/YP domain name
>ypdomainname - show or set the system's NIS/YP domain name
>nisdomainname - show or set the system's NIS/YP domain name
>dnsdomainname - show the system's DNS domain name
>
I could spend the rest of my life changing it with variant 1, but when 
its been powered down overnight, the old name is restored in the morning 
boot. Now I've tried hostnamectl with its option set-hostname newname.
And I'm going to power it up right now, brb.

Ok hostname is good after reboot, but domainname has been reset to 
(none).

But wtf? I have edited "sudo nano" /etc/domainname, did not set the i 
bit, and the edit is still there, but asking for it is (none)

domainname domain.name changes it only for this boot, a reboot clears it 
to (none) again.

So I must have screwed something up with that edit, but how do I fix it?

Thanks Tomas.

> you can safely ignore all that NIS/YP [1] part, that rules out the
> variants 2-4; the last variant only shows the DNS domain name --
> you'd have to talk to Someone Else (TM) to change that. This leaves
> variant (1), i.e. hostname.
>
> Now:
>
>   DESCRIPTION
> [...]
> SET NAME
>   When called with one argument or with the --file option, the
>   commands set the host name or the NIS/YP domain name [...]
>
> So... it seems we're out of luck? Only changing your domain if it is
> with NIS/YP is supported? But, oh, lookee...
>
>THE FQDN
>  The FQDN (Fully Qualified Domain Name) of the system is the
>  name that the resolver(3) returns for the host name, such as,
>  ursula.example.com [...]
>
>  You cannot change the FQDN with hostname or dnsdomainname.
>
>  The recommended method of setting the FQDN is to make the
>  hostname be an alias for the fully qualified name using
>  /etc/hosts, DNS, or NIS [...]
>
> So if your domain isn't imposed on your host by DNS (you would
> know that, since that's your home network, and you'd have done
> some setup to enforce that or by NIS/YP (you most probably don't
> have that, your network admin, i.e. you, would know that), the
> result is... go look in your /etc/hosts [2] for the domain name
> your box thinks it has.
>
> This seemingly baroque thing is due that the domain name "in"
> which your box lives is a decision that not always can be
> taken by your box alone. Like when I'm in France, I can't say
> "I'm in Luxembourg" unless I am a rich person ;-)
>
> (Exchange perhaps France for U.S. and Luxembourg for Delaware
> for those west of the pond. For those elsewhere, please teach
> me: where are your favourite tax paradises?)
>
> Cheers
>
> [0] Me? I prefer to stay portable. Works consistently across
>systemd and non-systemd boxes.
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Information_Service
> [2] which kinda makes sense: if you squint a bit, /etc/hosts
>is sorta the "poor person's DNS". Read on the resolver, and
>/etc/resolv.conf for the next rabbit hole.

Rabbit hole is a misnomer, its worse than that. :(

Perhaps I should edit /etc/resolv.conf so it uses localhost, then the dns 
address, for resolving.  Its a real file here. And in looking around, 
none of my buster machines have a domainname. ???  That rabbit hole goes 
down to the iron core. At which point we have well overdone fried 
rabbit.

Thanks Tomas

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page

Re: Got a machine name problem

2021-02-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 12:58:33PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> I have been working on a lower priority project, replacing some atom 
> powered machines with i5 powered Dells. Installing buster but something 
> is overriding my efforts to rename the machine after the install because 
> I'd like to replace "lathe" with "TLM" for The Little Monster.
> 
> Nothing I do survives a reboot, so what do I do to actually rename the 
> machine and make it stick? Hopefully without losiing the networking 
> which I don't have after the last reboot, probably because of the 
> current volatility of interface names.
> 

hostnamectl should do it - and it will be permanent

hostnamectl set-hostname [whatever_you_want_goes_here]

All best, 

Andy C.

> Thanks.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
>

OT: Spicy stuff in sensitive areas (was Re: Got a machine name problem)

2021-02-24 Thread The Wanderer

On 2021-02-24 at 00:05, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 23 February 2021 23:54:03 Stefan Monnier wrote:
> 
 Then reboot and cross your fingers.
>>> 
>>> Arthritis at 86 is beginning to make that painful. :(
>> 
>> I don't believe in crossing fingers either  FWIW, I pick my nose 
>> instead, and I think it works just as well (but be careful not to
>> do that right after chopping some habanero),
> 
> And that rather sounds like the voice of experience :(

Puts me in mind of an anecdote one of my uncles told me, regarding himself.

We're all probably familiar with the little crusty bits that sometimes
have to be wiped out of the eyes after waking up in the morning. (From
what I can tell, these seem to happen more frequently after increased
consumption of sodium or the like.)

An uncle of mine once told me that he used to have to do that on a
regular basis, but then at some point in his life he put a drop of *hot
sauce* into each eye as one does with eyedrops (from what I gather,
apparently intentionally) - and although that was astoundingly painful,
he's never had those little crusty bits again.

I have never dared, nor even seriously had the impulse, to try that
experiment for myself. As to whether it has any basis in empirical fact,
your guess is as good as mine.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: Yahoo, Kmail et Thunderbird : pas de réception

2021-02-24 Thread NoSpam


1. le problème est chez Yahoo, ou est le lien avec Debian ?

2. Kmail est, avant d'être Debian, une application KDE. Le support 
serait donc ici https://community.kde.org/Get_Involved


3. NOSPAM, il y a fort longtemps, est une adresse mail qui indiquait que 
l'on refuse des courriels non sollicités. Si tu suis bien, vois 
également l'adresse de réponse et fais quelques recherches.


4. Les courriels sont signés Daniel. Ceca dit, dois je croire que tu 
t'appelles réellement Merlin Philippe ;) ?


Je ne suis pas le seul à faire ce genre de remontées: un minimum de 
réflexion permet de classifier l'origine d'un problème et de se 
renseigner auprès de cette communauté.


--
Daniel

Le 24/02/2021 à 11:12, MERLIN Philippe a écrit :

Je ne comprends pas cette réponse, Kmail est un logiciel de messagerie
standard Debian et si on ne peut plus parler des problèmes que l'on rencontre
en utilisant ce logiciel et que l'on demande de l'aide, je ne vois pas à quoi
peut servir cette liste. D'autre part si on veux régenter ou faire la police
de la liste il serait bien de ne pas le faire anonymement. NOSPAM
Philippe Merlin



Le mardi 23 février 2021, 22:03:36 CET NoSpam a écrit :

Le 23/02/2021 à 19:39, ajh-valmer a écrit :

[...]
Merci d'avoir essayé, sympa, enfin une aide efficace :-)

[...]

Comme déjà évoqué par d'autres, cette liste s'appelle debian-user-french
donc entraide sur des problèmes spécifiques Debian. Perso je ne vois
aucun lien avec yahoo (!?!) et kmail ou thunderbird ne sont en aucun cas
spécifiques à Debian. J'ajouterai que notifié un HS dans le sujet aurait
été un plus.

Re: (deb-cat) Desfragmentacio de l'arrencada

2021-02-24 Thread Jordi Miguel

El mié, 24 feb 2021 a las 10:58, Josep Lladonosa
() escribió:
>
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 08:47, Narcis Garcia  wrote:
>>
>> Quan un ordinador arrenca, executa programes i aquests carreguen
>> llibreries i fitxers d'arreu del volum de disc.
>> Això produeix lectures aleatòries de centenars de fitxers amb els blocs
>> dispersos per tota la unitat ja que, quan es desfragmenta un disc dur,
>> la única cosa que s'ordena és que cada fitxer tingui els seus blocs de
>> dades contínus en el disc.
>>
>> És a dir, podem tenir fitxers emmagatzemats com a lletres:
>> A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z
>>
>> Però l'arrencada carrega per exemple el gestor d'arrencada (A) el qual
>> carrega el sistema del nucli (B), i el qual aleshores demana fitxers
>> d'arreu com R, J, Y, D, K per la qual cosa el capçal d'un disc dur no fa
>> més que canviar de posició tota l'estona i fent que la càrrega sigui
>> molt més lenta del què el disc seria capaç de transmetre seqüencialment.
>> Això es nota molt amb el soroll d'un disc dur quan arrenca el sistema.
>>
>> L'ideal en aquest exemple seria poder reorganitzar els blocs del disc així:
>> A,B,R,J,Y,D,K, C,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,Q,S,T,U,V,W,X,Z
>> De manera que de la A a la K es llegís tot sense interrupció.
>>
>> Hi ha alguna eina que faciliti això per accelerar l'arrencada?
>
>
> La meva proposta passa per afegir maquinari (un ssd on el temps de 
> "posicionament" és molt petit i més o menys constant).
> Podríeu teniri un ssd "petitó" utilitzat en forma de memòria cau (estil 
> bcache)
> o, directament, tenir un ssd "petitó" per al sistema...
>
> SALUT!
> Josep
>
>>
>>
>> Gràcies.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Narcis Garcia
>>
>> __
>> I'm using this dedicated address because personal addresses aren't
>> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
>> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> Salutacions...Josep
> --

Hola,

Almenys existeix una eina que fa el que està buscant el Narcís, es diu
e4rat i pots trobar informació al wiki de ArchLinux[1]. Tanmateix
l'eina original va quedar una mica "abandonada" i el projecte més
actiu és un fork que es diu e4rat-lite [2]
Si ho proves ja ens comentes l'experiència, i si la feina de muntar
aquestes coses val la pena per estalviar-se comprar un SSD per un
sistema antic. Amb el preu d'un SSD avui dia sembla difícil de
justificar el temps per configurar i mantenir aquestes artesanies,
però sempre és divertit pels amants de la tecnologia.


[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/e4rat
[2] https://github.com/LendyZhang/e4rat-lite


Fins aviat,
Jordi
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Re: (deb-cat) Desfragmentacio de l'arrencada

2021-02-24 Thread Antoni Villalonga

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 08:47:26AM +0100, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Quan un ordinador arrenca, executa programes i aquests carreguen
> llibreries i fitxers d'arreu del volum de disc.
> Això produeix lectures aleatòries de centenars de fitxers amb els blocs
> dispersos per tota la unitat ja que, quan es desfragmenta un disc dur,
> la única cosa que s'ordena és que cada fitxer tingui els seus blocs de
> dades contínus en el disc.
> 
> És a dir, podem tenir fitxers emmagatzemats com a lletres:
> A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z
> 
> Però l'arrencada carrega per exemple el gestor d'arrencada (A) el qual
> carrega el sistema del nucli (B), i el qual aleshores demana fitxers
> d'arreu com R, J, Y, D, K per la qual cosa el capçal d'un disc dur no fa
> més que canviar de posició tota l'estona i fent que la càrrega sigui
> molt més lenta del què el disc seria capaç de transmetre seqüencialment.
> Això es nota molt amb el soroll d'un disc dur quan arrenca el sistema.
> 
> L'ideal en aquest exemple seria poder reorganitzar els blocs del disc així:
> A,B,R,J,Y,D,K, C,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,Q,S,T,U,V,W,X,Z
> De manera que de la A a la K es llegís tot sense interrupció.
> 
> Hi ha alguna eina que faciliti això per accelerar l'arrencada?
> 
> Gràcies.

Hola,

Una reflexió molt interessant. La veritat és que no conec la forma de fer el
que demanes ni penso que sigui gens simple. Requeriria tenir una bona
planificació de l'ordre en que es demanaran els fitxers (més concretament els
blocs concrets que es necessitaran llegir). El manteniment també seria molt
costos, replanificant i reorganitzant a cada actualització del sistema.

La tendència és a utilitzar cada cop més emmagatzaments d'accés aleatori (SSD,
etc) on aquestes penalitzacions del seek no existeixen. Un altre factor que
hauria d'alleugerar aquesta inconveniencia és l'arrencada en paraŀlel, ja que
el planificador de lectures del nucli les hauria d'agrupar de la millor forma
(minimitzant el seek time necessari).

Per a un sistema amb disc dur (sense SSD) et proposaria fer una partició de
sistema minimalista on estigui només el que realment és necessari per a fer el
boot. La resta de software i dades podrien estar a particions distintes.
També la utilització de varis discs en RAID0 penso que ajudaria enormement.

Altres opcions podrien passar per a evitar fer el procés de boot utilitzant la
hibernació o suspensió a ram, quan es pugui.

Una discusió que penso que serà eterna és el tema compilacions estàtiques vs
càrrega de biblioteques dinàmiques.

M'agradaria llegir millors alternatives.

Salut!

-- 
Antoni Villalonga
https://friki.cat/

Re: (deb-cat) Desfragmentacio de l'arrencada

2021-02-24 Thread Josep Lladonosa

On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 08:47, Narcis Garcia  wrote:

> Quan un ordinador arrenca, executa programes i aquests carreguen
> llibreries i fitxers d'arreu del volum de disc.
> Això produeix lectures aleatòries de centenars de fitxers amb els blocs
> dispersos per tota la unitat ja que, quan es desfragmenta un disc dur,
> la única cosa que s'ordena és que cada fitxer tingui els seus blocs de
> dades contínus en el disc.
>
> És a dir, podem tenir fitxers emmagatzemats com a lletres:
> A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z
>
> Però l'arrencada carrega per exemple el gestor d'arrencada (A) el qual
> carrega el sistema del nucli (B), i el qual aleshores demana fitxers
> d'arreu com R, J, Y, D, K per la qual cosa el capçal d'un disc dur no fa
> més que canviar de posició tota l'estona i fent que la càrrega sigui
> molt més lenta del què el disc seria capaç de transmetre seqüencialment.
> Això es nota molt amb el soroll d'un disc dur quan arrenca el sistema.
>
> L'ideal en aquest exemple seria poder reorganitzar els blocs del disc així:
> A,B,R,J,Y,D,K, C,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,Q,S,T,U,V,W,X,Z
> De manera que de la A a la K es llegís tot sense interrupció.
>
> Hi ha alguna eina que faciliti això per accelerar l'arrencada?
>

La meva proposta passa per afegir maquinari (un ssd on el temps de
"posicionament" és molt petit i més o menys constant).
Podríeu teniri un ssd "petitó" utilitzat en forma de memòria cau (estil
bcache)
o, directament, tenir un ssd "petitó" per al sistema...

SALUT!
Josep


>
> Gràcies.
>
> --
>
> Narcis Garcia
>
> __
> I'm using this dedicated address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
>
>

-- 
--
Salutacions...Josep
--

Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day


On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, David Wright wrote:


Is this buster?


  yes


Are you running any applications, particularly those involving sound,
as root, particularly in response to some previous problem?


  no


Is it just that binary that goes missing, or does apt/dpkg actually
show that the entire package is uninstalled?


   I can't answer that now, because I run
   "ls -l /usr/bin/pulseaudio" every minute to find when it disappears,
   and curiously, it didn't disappear this night
   I'll see what happens after removing  the ls command in cron.

best regards,
--
Pierre Frenkiel

Re: [BUG REPORT] luajit-2.1.0-beta3/jit/bcsave.lua:240: cannot convert 'nil' to 'unsigned short'

2021-02-24 Thread YunQiang Su

Ohh, this packages hasn't been update for so long.
If no objection, I will upload the current git snapshot.

Tiezhu Yang  于2021年2月24日周三 上午11:15写道：
>
> (1) Background
> Source: luajit
> Version: luajit_2.1.0~beta3+dfsg-5.3_mips64el.deb
> Severity: important
> Link: https://packages.debian.org/sid/luajit
>
> (2) Description of problem
> When I build bcc, there exists the following build error:
> [ 34%] Generating bcc.o
> /usr/bin/luajit: /usr/share/luajit-2.1.0-beta3/jit/bcsave.lua:240: cannot 
> convert 'nil' to 'unsigned short'
> [ 35%] Linking C executable bcc-lua
> cc: error: bcc.o: No such file or directory
>
> (3) Steps to Reproduce
> # According to https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/bpfcc,
> # BCC build dependencies:
> sudo apt-get install arping bison clang-format cmake dh-python \
>dpkg-dev pkg-kde-tools ethtool flex inetutils-ping iperf \
>libbpf-dev libclang-dev libclang-cpp-dev libedit-dev libelf-dev \
>libfl-dev libzip-dev linux-libc-dev llvm-dev libluajit-5.1-dev \
>luajit python3-netaddr python3-pyroute2 python3-distutils python3
> # In oreder to avoid "/bin/sh: 1: python: not found"
> sudo apt-get install python
>
> git clone https://github.com/iovisor/bcc.git
> mkdir bcc/build; cd bcc/build
> cmake ..
> make
>
> (4) Additional info
> I just replace the following old file [1] with the latest new file [2],
> then the error disappeared.
> [1] /usr/share/luajit-2.1.0-beta3/jit/bcsave.lua
> [2] https://github.com/LuaJIT/LuaJIT/blob/v2.1/src/jit/bcsave.lua
>
> It seems that this commit fixed it:
> https://github.com/LuaJIT/LuaJIT/commit/94d0b53004a5
>
> (5) Question and Suggestion
> Could you please update the luajit package used with the latest source code?
>
> Thanks,
> Tiezhu
>

Re: need to reinstall pulseaudio every day