Re: Gnome music n'indexe pas correctement le dossier Musique

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 05/09/2021 15:14, Jean Bernon wrote:

Bonjour,

Sous Buster j'utilisais Gmusicbrowser pour la musique.



Je n'y connais rien, mais Gmusicbrowser a son site, et c'est un logiciel 
libre qui semble avoir été développé par un français nommé Quetin Sculo.


http://gmusicbrowser.org/ 


A mon avis, avec un peu de programmation, on pourrait le porter à un 
Debian récent.



Peut-être qu'en contactant son auteur (et en faisant un don en €) on 
pourrait le faire marcher



PS. Je cherche des partenaires pour RefPerSys (cf http://refpersys.org/ 
  et les exposés en 
https://afia.asso.fr/journee-hommage-j-pitrat/ 
 ). Mon adresse 
professionnelle étant basile.starynkevi...@cea.fr



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Re: Demande de construction de pilote d'imprimante

[Basile Starynkevitch]

On 05/09/2021 20:35, firenze...@orange.fr wrote:

Bonjour à tous,

Je travaille actuellement pour une petite entreprise qui voudrait 
migrer intégralement, sinon partiellement, son parc informatique sous 
GNU/Linux. Avec une certaine préférence pour Debian.


Le premier problème auquel on a dû faire face est celui du pilote à 
installer pour faire fonctionner correctement notre imprimante SHARP 
MX-2614.
Nous avons d'abord demandé au fabriquant de nous fournir le pilote 
GNU/Linux pour cette imprimante. Mais celui-ci ne fonctionne 
manifestement pas. D'autant que le fichier README du dossier à 
extraire ne mentionne même pas l'imprimante pour laquelle le pilote 
est censé fonctionner.
En dépannage, nous utilisons un pilote compatible proposé par 
CUPS,initialement écrit pour la SHARP MX-2300X. Pour l'impression de 
fichiers simples (textes et tableurs) ça fait l'affaire. Mais pour des 
fichiers plus complexes (jpeg,pdf,png) l'impression prend un temps 
considérable pour quelques feuilles. Alors pour un fichier d'une 
soixantaine de pages, n'en parlons pas !


Avez-vous une solution ou des pistes à proposer pour obtenir un pilote 
pour bien faire fonctionner la SHARP MX-2614 sous Debian ?



Une recherche google donne 
https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Sharp/Sharp-MX-2614N 



et j'aurais tendance à imaginer que cette imprimante (de luxe) contient 
un processeur tournant un Linux embarqué.



Peut-être que des forums comme https://stackoverflow.com/ 
 pourraient suggérer des contacts, etc.


Je ne peux pas en dire plus, n'ayant pas cette imprimante.


Bon courage.


PS. Je cherche des partenaires sur http://refpersys.org/ 




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92340 Bourg-la-Reine, France
web page: starynkevitch.net/Basile/

Re: Installing old/deprecated packages

[riveravaldez]

On 9/5/21, Linux-Fan  wrote:
> riveravaldez writes:
>
>> I have this `phwmon.py`[1] which I use with fluxbox to have a couple
>> of system monitors at hand. It depends on some python2 packages, so
>> stopped working some time ago.
>
> Any specific reason for preferring `phwmon.py` over a tool like `conky`?

Hi, Linux-Fan, thanks a lot for your answers.

`conky` is great, but you have to see the desktop to see `conky`, and I
tend to work with maximized windows.
Monitors like `phwmon.py` or the ones that come by default with IceWM
for instance are permanently visible in the sys-tray/taskbar (no matter
you're using fluxbox, openbox+tint2, etc.). That's the only reason:
minimal and visible.

>> I've just made it work, installing manually (# apt-get install
>> packages.deb)
>> this packages that I've downloaded from Debian OldStable official
>> archives:
>>
>> python-psutil
>> python-is-python2 (this is in fact in Testing)
>> python-numpy
>> python-pkg-resources
>> python-cairo
>> libffi6
>> python-gobject-2
>> python-gtk2
>>
>> Therefore, my questions:
>>
>> How safe is this?
>
> IMHO it's pretty OK because that is quite similar to having upgraded from an
> old system with the legacy packages installed to a new release where they
> are no longer part of.

Thanks!

>> Is it better to install them as I did, or adding the corresponding line
>> in
>> sources.list and pull them from there? Is there any difference?
>
> There are differences: Whenever you install packages, you may not notice
> that they are only avaliable in old releases because the output of
> `apt-cache search` and similar tools will include old packages. Also,
> running a release with stable+oldstable in sources.list is less common than
> the other case: stable in sources.list and some oldstable packages leftover
> from upgrades. In case bugs are fixed in the oldstable package, you will get
> them automatically if you have them in sources.list.
>
> My personal choice would be to install the packages without adding the
> oldstable repositories as to be reminded that they are obsolete and are
> likely to stop working in the future.

Thanks again. Very informative and educational.
When you say 'as to be reminded that they are obsolete', how/when/where
the system will remind me this?, will it be?

> Be aware that libraries like `python-psutil` may not work with newer
> kernels. Here (on oldstable with a backported kernel 5.10) the script would
>
> not run due to excess fields reported by the kernel for disk statistics:
>
> | $ ./phwmon.py
> | Traceback (most recent call last):
> |   File "./phwmon.py", line 341, in 
> | HardwareMonitor()
> |   File "./phwmon.py", line 128, in __init__
> | self.initDiskIo()
> |   File "./phwmon.py", line 274, in initDiskIo
> | v = psutil.disk_io_counters(perdisk=False)
> |   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/psutil/__init__.py", line 2131,
> in disk_io_counters
> | rawdict = _psplatform.disk_io_counters(**kwargs)
> |   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/psutil/_pslinux.py", line 1121,
> in disk_io_counters
> | for entry in gen:
> |   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/psutil/_pslinux.py", line 1094,
> in read_procfs
> | raise ValueError("not sure how to interpret line %r" % line)
> | ValueError: not sure how to interpret line ' 259   0 nvme0n1 42428
> 17299 3905792 8439 49354 7425 3352623 15456 0 48512 26929 43429 11 476835656
> 3033 0 0\n'

Yes, indeed. I didn't mentioned it but I had to "fix" that as seen in:
https://gitlab.com/o9000/phwmon/-/issues/3#note_374558691

Essentially, convert:

`elif flen == 14 or flen == 18:`

to

`elif flen == 14 or flen == 18 or flen == 20:`

In /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/psutil/_pslinux.py

Supposedly shouldn't be problematic, but I'm not sure. Any
comment on this?

> See also: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=967

Thanks. Checked.

> [...]
>
>> [1] https://gitlab.com/o9000/phwmon
>
> Btw. it looks as if `python-is-python2` is not needed for this to run?
> `phwmon.py` states `python2` explicitly.

Probably, not sure. But if I'm remembering properly it was pulled as
a dependency's dependency.

> HTH
> Linux-Fan
>
> öö
>
> PS: If you are interested in my thoughts on status bars, see here:
> https://masysma.lima-city.de/32/i3bar.xhtml

Thanks a lot, LF!
I'm checking it right now. Very interesting.

Best regards.

'sudo apt-get update' stall/error

[Emanuel Berg]

$ sudo apt-get update

... ?

Nothing happens, when I do C-c C-c it says on stderr:

  Got SIGINT, quitting.
  Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/share/squid-deb-proxy-client/apt-avahi-discover", line 126, in 

  address = get_proxy_host_port_from_avahi()
File "/usr/share/squid-deb-proxy-client/apt-avahi-discover", line 79, in 
get_proxy_host_port_from_avahi
  for line in p.stdout:
  KeyboardInterrupt

Ideas?

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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: 'sudo apt-get update' stall/error

[Reco]

Hi.

On Mon, Sep 06, 2021 at 01:43:03AM +0200, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> $ sudo apt-get update
...
>   address = get_proxy_host_port_from_avahi()
> File "/usr/share/squid-deb-proxy-client/apt-avahi-discover", line 79, in 
> get_proxy_host_port_from_avahi
...
> 
> Ideas?

apt purge squid-deb-proxy-client, for starters.

If you're using Squid as a proxy - just set the proxy in
/etc/apt/apt.conf, like this:

Acquire::http::Proxy "http://:3148";

If not - no further action is required.

Reco

Re: Trouble upgrading Debian

[Dedeco Balaco]

Em 05-09-2021 19:10, piorunz escreveu:
> On 05/09/2021 05:27, Dedeco Balaco wrote:
>
>> What should i do to solve this?
> You reposted your question two hours later, so I repost the solution and
> CC you as well.

I am sorry it was reposted. I had trouble subscribing to the list, using
the site, and I thought the first message would be rejected. After
several tries without success, I decided to subscribe using the mail
address command. I instantly received a confirmation of subscription,
and this showed me I was not subscribed before. I also did not see my
first message in the list (yes, I waited 20 minutes for the site
refreshing time). So, I resent my question.

> 1. Start by reading the error message.  If you can't understand it, then
> paste it here. As Greg Wooledge already said.

I did not receive the Greg answer. The only 3 messages I have in my
folder now are the 2 you sent, and the one I receive for my message:

I will search the Greg message in the archives, since you mention it.

> 2. Disable colouring e-mails in your Thunderbird. Or disable HTML
> e-mails all together, use plain text e-mail.

No. I do not want to edit emails with the traditional "black over white"
area. And I have seen that the colors I send can be ignored. And
Thunderbird also sends a pure text message together with the HTML
messages I prefer to use.

Thank you

Re: Trouble upgrading Debian

[piorunz]

On 05/09/2021 05:27, Dedeco Balaco wrote:


What should i do to solve this?


You reposted your question two hours later, so I repost the solution and
CC you as well.

1. Start by reading the error message.  If you can't understand it, then
paste it here. As Greg Wooledge already said.

2. Disable colouring e-mails in your Thunderbird. Or disable HTML
e-mails all together, use plain text e-mail.

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Re: Gnome music n'indexe pas correctement le dossier Musique

[didier gaumet]

Tu as raison, j'ai pointé vers la doc Tracker3 parce que j'ai lu que ça
avait été introduit avec Gnome 3.38 (présent dans Bullseye) mais c'est
bien Tracker2 dans Bullseye et les arguments à fournir à la commande
étaient bien des fichiers :-)

Je suis sous Bullseye/Gnome:

 didier@hp-notebook14:~$ tracker daemon --list-miners-available
2 collecteurs sont installés:
  org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Extract
  org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Files
didier@hp-notebook14:~$ tracker daemon --list-miners-running
1 collecteur fonctionne en ce moment:
  org.freedesktop.Tracker1.Miner.Files
didier@hp-notebook14:~$ systemctl | grep -i tracker
didier@hp-notebook14:~$ systemctl --user | grep -i tracker
  tracker-miner-fs.service
loaded active running   Tracker file system data miner
didier@hp-notebook14:~$ ps -axl | grep -i tracker
0  100018821859  39   - 510612 27340 -  SNsl ? 
0:01 /usr/libexec/tracker-miner-fs
0  1000   24494   23735  20   0   6268  2408 -  S+   pts/0 
0:00 grep -i tracker
d

Je suis loin de comprendre vraiment comment ça marche mais j'ai
vaguement l'impression que le service miner-fs pourrait dépendre pour
son fonctionnement de tracker store, qui n'a pas l'air d'être
démarré/actif chez moi. Si c'est la même chose chez toi, tu peux
essayer de le démarer pour voir si ça améliore les choses...

Désolé, je ne connais rien à Tracker donc je ne peux pas en dire plus
:-)
 

Re: APT testing and unstabe Firefox: can't find newest version from unstable

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 9/5/21, Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:
>
> This is the problem with web browsers getting bigger, more complex
> dependencies, more infrastructure complexities - and it has always
> been so. Web browsers are also the go-to applications for stress
> testing any machine once again.


You nailed that! Mine keeps bogging down with 8GB ram and 2.7GHz dual
core. It's running with a smaller Firefox session's worth of tabs than
what ran for hours on 2GB ram and 1.66GHz dual core. I swear it feels
like their browsers are trained to sniff around to see what power
we've got then adjust their usage of our resources accordingly.

As an afterthought, maybe it's the websites themselves doing the
sniffing for available resources, too. Might not be like that, but
it's how it feels based on how I can't seem to get ahead of that game
here. I'm just so over it with respect to having to log out then log
back in to clear out the cobwebs when it starts grinding to a halt.

As a secondary afterthought turned heads up: In cleaning out my setup
regularly, I one day noticed a BUNCH of cookies at the top of the last
time used list when they should not have been. The relevance to
browser resource usage is that I hadn't been on the affected websites'
tabs in months.

A lot of cookies are respectfully sitting silent and unused, but there
are a few that are not. That's going to take an escalating toll on
available computer resources, too. One obvious quick fix would be to
manually block those cookies if they're not important and as they
become apparent.

Oh, and don't get me started griping about those websites that plant
70, 80, 100+ cookies per single or maybe two or three page turns on
their sites. I've seen that happen in the past while deleting a site's
entire cookie lineup because their site's not working properly.

Cindy :)
-- 
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Gnome music n'indexe pas correctement le dossier Musique

[Jean Bernon]

Dans Dconf toutes les valeurs ci-dessous sont correctes.
En revanche tu fais allusion à tracker3 et j'ai vu sur internet que cette 
nouvelle version de tracker est censé régler le problème. Mais dans mes paquets 
bullseye, qui sont à jour, je trouve seulement tracker 2.3.6-2

 
- Mail original - 

> De: "didier gaumet" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Dimanche 5 Septembre 2021 19:24:23
> Objet: Re: Gnome music n'indexe pas correctement le dossier Musique

> Le dimanche 5 septembre 2021 à 15:20:03 UTC+2, Jean Bernon a écrit :
> [...]
> > [L'interface de Gnome music est plus conviviale, mais il n'indexe
> > pas
> > correctement le dossier Musique.
> > Les recherches sur internet montrent que c'est un problème
> > récurrent
> > dû à l'indexation de tracker.
> [...]
> > Auriez-vous des suggestions ?
> > Jean

> Avertissement: je n'utilise pas Tracker directement et je n'utilise
> pas de logiciels de lecture de musique, mais tu peux peut-être
> tenter ce qui suit

> dans dconf-editor, rubrique /org/freedesktop/tracker/files/ :

> - vérifier que '' (le répertoire perso où sont stoquées les
> muisques) ne figure pas dans les sous-rubriques
> "ignore-directories*"
> - vérifier que les extensions musicales (*.flac,*.mp3, etc...) ne
> figurent pas dans les sous-rubriques "ignore-files*"
> - vérifier que ' figure bien dans la sous-rubrique
> "index-recursive-directories"

> la doc pour les commandes CLI Tracker3 est là:
> https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/tracker/docs/commandline/
> particulièrement tracker3-index:
> https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/tracker/docs/commandline/#tracker3-index
> (on ne lui passe pas des fichiers mais des répertoires en arguments)

Re: APT testing and unstabe Firefox: can't find newest version from unstable

[Brian]

On Sun 05 Sep 2021 at 19:31:32 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 08:56:36PM +0200, Oliver Schoede wrote:
> > On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 20:50:06 +0200
> > Sven Joachim  wrote:
> > >
> > >Version 91 is only in experimental.
> > >
> > 
> > Probably blocked by some Rust stuff again. Anyone who's waiting and if
> > possible please get a flatpak and get on with your life. Debian is
> > providing that for a reason, too. We've been at the same point about a
> > year ago when on some mailing list it was suggested Debian should just
> > provide a flatpak. A joke of course, well I think it was. Still I
> > decided to actually give it a try and have been happily using two of
> > these since then, Firefox, and Chromium, which itself is too often
> > vulnerable in Sid. Perhaps in the future distributions should really
> > consider making do with, say, Firefox ESR and direct users who need
> > "more" to something anyone can sort of agree on and flock together,
> > that might well be avenues like Flatpak or AppImage. Container
> > solutions are certainly not the be-all and end-all but I don't see much
> > of a drawback for a case like this. You'll spend about a GiB extra,
> > it's basically pulling its own small userland, once. Command line use
> > needs some getting used to, kind of like systemd, hardly surprising if
> > you know where it's from. But easy enough, same with desktop
> > integration. There's no sane reason for using an outdated web browser
> > today. If you want or need to stay purist, there is always ESR.
> > 
> > Oliver
> > 
> 
> This is the problem with web browsers getting bigger, more complex 
> dependencies, more infrastructure complexities - and it has always
> been so. Web browsers are also the go-to applications for stress
> testing any machine once again.

There aren't any extensive problem with Firefox on buster and bullseye.
Mine works, reliably.

Maybe there are reports that say otherwise?

> Flatpaks and appimages are fine if they can be built - there's every
> chance that they, too witll be hit by this sort of thing at some
> point.

Why bother with what Debian does not provide by default.

-- 
Brian.

Re: APT testing and unstabe Firefox: can't find newest version from unstable

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 08:56:36PM +0200, Oliver Schoede wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 20:50:06 +0200
> Sven Joachim  wrote:
> >
> >Version 91 is only in experimental.
> >
> 
> Probably blocked by some Rust stuff again. Anyone who's waiting and if
> possible please get a flatpak and get on with your life. Debian is
> providing that for a reason, too. We've been at the same point about a
> year ago when on some mailing list it was suggested Debian should just
> provide a flatpak. A joke of course, well I think it was. Still I
> decided to actually give it a try and have been happily using two of
> these since then, Firefox, and Chromium, which itself is too often
> vulnerable in Sid. Perhaps in the future distributions should really
> consider making do with, say, Firefox ESR and direct users who need
> "more" to something anyone can sort of agree on and flock together,
> that might well be avenues like Flatpak or AppImage. Container
> solutions are certainly not the be-all and end-all but I don't see much
> of a drawback for a case like this. You'll spend about a GiB extra,
> it's basically pulling its own small userland, once. Command line use
> needs some getting used to, kind of like systemd, hardly surprising if
> you know where it's from. But easy enough, same with desktop
> integration. There's no sane reason for using an outdated web browser
> today. If you want or need to stay purist, there is always ESR.
> 
> Oliver
> 

This is the problem with web browsers getting bigger, more complex 
dependencies, more infrastructure complexities - and it has always
been so. Web browsers are also the go-to applications for stress
testing any machine once again.

Flatpaks and appimages are fine if they can be built - there's every
chance that they, too witll be hit by this sort of thing at some
point.

Firefox ESR is actually releatively reasonable in terms of how fast
it moves - it still isn't easy for anyone to build. [And upstream
show no particular interest in Firefox for other architectures -
so have fun if you're running arm].

At some point, bookworm will settle a little more and it will be
feasible to start providing lots more in bullseye-backports. In
the interim

Re: Demande de construction de pilote d'imprimante

[didier gaumet]

Le dimanche 05 septembre 2021 à 20:35 +0200, firenze...@orange.fr a
écrit :
> Bonjour à tous,
> 
> Je travaille actuellement pour une petite entreprise qui voudrait
> migrer 
> intégralement, sinon partiellement, son parc informatique sous 
> GNU/Linux. Avec une certaine préférence pour Debian.
> 
> Le premier problème auquel on a dû faire face est celui du pilote à 
> installer pour faire fonctionner correctement notre imprimante SHARP 
> MX-2614.
> Nous avons d'abord demandé au fabriquant de nous fournir le pilote 
> GNU/Linux pour cette imprimante. Mais celui-ci ne fonctionne 
> manifestement pas. D'autant que le fichier README du dossier à
> extraire 
> ne mentionne même pas l'imprimante pour laquelle le pilote est censé 
> fonctionner.
> En dépannage, nous utilisons un pilote compatible proposé par 
> CUPS,initialement écrit pour la SHARP MX-2300X. Pour l'impression de 
> fichiers simples (textes et tableurs) ça fait l'affaire. Mais pour
> des 
> fichiers plus complexes (jpeg,pdf,png) l'impression prend un temps 
> considérable pour quelques feuilles. Alors pour un fichier d'une 
> soixantaine de pages, n'en parlons pas !
> 
> Avez-vous une solution ou des pistes à proposer pour obtenir un
> pilote 
> pour bien faire fonctionner la SHARP MX-2614 sous Debian ?
> 
> Sinon où s'adresser pour demander l'écriture d'un pilote d'imprimante
> spécifique pour Debian ou GNU/Linux en général ?
> L'entreprise serait prête à participer financièrement à la production
> et/ou au perfectionnement du pilote en question.
> 
> Par avance, merci pour vos réponses.
> 
> 

Bonjour,

Si c'est de cette multi-fonction dont il s'agit:
https://global.sharp/products/img/copier/products/mx_3114n_2614n/brochure/MX_3114N_2614N_BRO_S.pdf

alors d'après les spécifications, elle peut imprimer en réseau ethernet
par le protocole IPP (à partir d'IPP 2.0 il n'y a pas besoin de pilote
spécifique): essaie de faire détecter l'imprimante à ton bureau (Gnome,
KDE, etc...) ce devrait être paramétré automatiquement. ça devrait
marcher aussi si c'est raccordé en usb via ipp-usb.
il y a une page du wiki Debian sur l'impression sans pilote pour plus
de détails :
https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting

Pour scanner en réseau, par contre, ça a l'air d'être du Twain, pas des
trucs plus récents genre ESCL/WSD, donc on ne doit pas pouvoir utiliser
Sane sans pilote spécifique (sane-airscan)

Re: EFI boot installer

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 09:21:38PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> Hi all.
> Where do I find a live Debian x86-64 iso image with EFI 'cd image' in it ?
> (My 2007 ex-Mac computer now only runs Puppy x86-64 live dvd in RAM.)
> My Macbook 64b computer won't open any iso without a cd image named EFI.
> Alt key on boot up will show distro's ISO image, on the right side I need
> an EFI cd.
> Read that Debian supports EFI. So I'm here, asking for your help &/or a
> link to ISO.
> BR,
> Gunnar Gervin.
> PS.
> Distro developers, if any here *:*
> It's all right you dislike EFI bootloader after MS released it, but please
> let me use it.
> DS.

We've been using EFI since 2008? 

As suggested before to you:

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-mac-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso

is the _first_ one I'd try on your old "ex-Mac" (since that's around the time
that some Macs of that vintage had difficulty reading certain CD formats).

If that works - great. If not, I'd try either of the following on either
machine:

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
is what I'd try on the newer one (or possibly the non-free unofficial version
which includes firmware at 
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.0.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/firmware-11.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
 )

You might also want to try the one of the Debian-live images at 

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.0.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/

but I would _NOT_ recommend using Calamares to install.

Hope this helps, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Demande de construction de pilote d'imprimante

[Christophe Gallaire]

Bonsoir,

Je ne sais pas s'il s'agit exactement du même modèle d'imprimante mais il y
a ce driver pour la Sharp MX-2614N :
https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Sharp/Sharp-MX-2614N

Bonne soirée,

Christophe



Le dim. 5 sept. 2021 à 21:35,  a écrit :

> Bonjour à tous,
>
> Je travaille actuellement pour une petite entreprise qui voudrait migrer
> intégralement, sinon partiellement, son parc informatique sous
> GNU/Linux. Avec une certaine préférence pour Debian.
>
> Le premier problème auquel on a dû faire face est celui du pilote à
> installer pour faire fonctionner correctement notre imprimante SHARP
> MX-2614.
> Nous avons d'abord demandé au fabriquant de nous fournir le pilote
> GNU/Linux pour cette imprimante. Mais celui-ci ne fonctionne
> manifestement pas. D'autant que le fichier README du dossier à extraire
> ne mentionne même pas l'imprimante pour laquelle le pilote est censé
> fonctionner.
> En dépannage, nous utilisons un pilote compatible proposé par
> CUPS,initialement écrit pour la SHARP MX-2300X. Pour l'impression de
> fichiers simples (textes et tableurs) ça fait l'affaire. Mais pour des
> fichiers plus complexes (jpeg,pdf,png) l'impression prend un temps
> considérable pour quelques feuilles. Alors pour un fichier d'une
> soixantaine de pages, n'en parlons pas !
>
> Avez-vous une solution ou des pistes à proposer pour obtenir un pilote
> pour bien faire fonctionner la SHARP MX-2614 sous Debian ?
>
> Sinon où s'adresser pour demander l'écriture d'un pilote d'imprimante
> spécifique pour Debian ou GNU/Linux en général ?
> L'entreprise serait prête à participer financièrement à la production
> et/ou au perfectionnement du pilote en question.
>
> Par avance, merci pour vos réponses.
>
>

Re: EFI boot installer

[The Wanderer]

On 2021-09-05 at 14:21, Gunnar Gervin wrote:

> Hi all. Where do I find a live Debian x86-64 iso image with EFI 'cd
> image' in it ?

As far as I understand, all of the Debian install ISOs will support both
EFI and non-EFI-style boot.

(At my workplace, we have Linux-based utility CDs which do support
booting in both modes depending on which version of the optical drive is
selected at the F12 "select a boot device" menu. In that instance it's
easy to confirm that they really are booting to different
configurations, because the visual experience is significantly
different, but that doesn't always have to be the case.)

Whether the resulting install is itself EFI-boot or not depends on other
factors; I knew about them relatively recently, when I built my current
computer and installed it for EFI boot, but just at the moment I don't
remember the specifics.

If memory serves, all I really did on that front was to boot into the
installer via EFI boot mode, create and designate appropriate partitions
to fit the requirements for EFI boot, and possibly select appropriate
options during the install process; the installer did the rest. I
suspect that the first step was the one which told the installer which
boot mode to set up the new install for.

> (My 2007 ex-Mac computer now only runs Puppy x86-64 live dvd in
> RAM.) My Macbook 64b computer won't open any iso without a cd image
> named EFI. Alt key on boot up will show distro's ISO image, on the
> right side I need an EFI cd. Read that Debian supports EFI. So I'm
> here, asking for your help &/or a link to ISO.

I used the amd64 netinst ISO for Debian 11, via writing it to a USB
drive; IIRC I performed the install during late June / early July, so
assuming I downloaded right before using it, that wouldn't be far
different from what became the release version. That's available at

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso

which is linked to from

https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/

. It's not named as EFI, but naming is irrelevant to the contents. I can
confirm that the bullseye amd64 netinst ISO which I have locally right
now (which seems to be from April, not June) includes the EFI
subdirectory which is probably what should make EFI boot possible.

If your machine will actually refuse to use a given ISO based on its
*name*, then you need to either figure out how to rename the ISO (which
may or may not be as simple as changing the filename), or use a
different machine; that's not a reasonable design, and there's probably
not much we can do about it.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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Re: APT testing and unstabe Firefox: can't find newest version from unstable

[Oliver Schoede]

On Fri, 03 Sep 2021 20:50:06 +0200
Sven Joachim  wrote:
>
>Version 91 is only in experimental.
>

Probably blocked by some Rust stuff again. Anyone who's waiting and if
possible please get a flatpak and get on with your life. Debian is
providing that for a reason, too. We've been at the same point about a
year ago when on some mailing list it was suggested Debian should just
provide a flatpak. A joke of course, well I think it was. Still I
decided to actually give it a try and have been happily using two of
these since then, Firefox, and Chromium, which itself is too often
vulnerable in Sid. Perhaps in the future distributions should really
consider making do with, say, Firefox ESR and direct users who need
"more" to something anyone can sort of agree on and flock together,
that might well be avenues like Flatpak or AppImage. Container
solutions are certainly not the be-all and end-all but I don't see much
of a drawback for a case like this. You'll spend about a GiB extra,
it's basically pulling its own small userland, once. Command line use
needs some getting used to, kind of like systemd, hardly surprising if
you know where it's from. But easy enough, same with desktop
integration. There's no sane reason for using an outdated web browser
today. If you want or need to stay purist, there is always ESR.

Oliver

EFI boot installer

[Gunnar Gervin]

Hi all.
Where do I find a live Debian x86-64 iso image with EFI 'cd image' in it ?
(My 2007 ex-Mac computer now only runs Puppy x86-64 live dvd in RAM.)
My Macbook 64b computer won't open any iso without a cd image named EFI.
Alt key on boot up will show distro's ISO image, on the right side I need
an EFI cd.
Read that Debian supports EFI. So I'm here, asking for your help &/or a
link to ISO.
BR,
Gunnar Gervin.
PS.
Distro developers, if any here *:*
It's all right you dislike EFI bootloader after MS released it, but please
let me use it.
DS.

Demande de construction de pilote d'imprimante

[firenze . rt]

Bonjour à tous,

Je travaille actuellement pour une petite entreprise qui voudrait migrer 
intégralement, sinon partiellement, son parc informatique sous 
GNU/Linux. Avec une certaine préférence pour Debian.


Le premier problème auquel on a dû faire face est celui du pilote à 
installer pour faire fonctionner correctement notre imprimante SHARP 
MX-2614.
Nous avons d'abord demandé au fabriquant de nous fournir le pilote 
GNU/Linux pour cette imprimante. Mais celui-ci ne fonctionne 
manifestement pas. D'autant que le fichier README du dossier à extraire 
ne mentionne même pas l'imprimante pour laquelle le pilote est censé 
fonctionner.
En dépannage, nous utilisons un pilote compatible proposé par 
CUPS,initialement écrit pour la SHARP MX-2300X. Pour l'impression de 
fichiers simples (textes et tableurs) ça fait l'affaire. Mais pour des 
fichiers plus complexes (jpeg,pdf,png) l'impression prend un temps 
considérable pour quelques feuilles. Alors pour un fichier d'une 
soixantaine de pages, n'en parlons pas !


Avez-vous une solution ou des pistes à proposer pour obtenir un pilote 
pour bien faire fonctionner la SHARP MX-2614 sous Debian ?


Sinon où s'adresser pour demander l'écriture d'un pilote d'imprimante 
spécifique pour Debian ou GNU/Linux en général ?
L'entreprise serait prête à participer financièrement à la production 
et/ou au perfectionnement du pilote en question.


Par avance, merci pour vos réponses.

Re: Gnome music n'indexe pas correctement le dossier Musique

[didier gaumet]

Le dimanche 5 septembre 2021 à 15:20:03 UTC+2, Jean Bernon a écrit :
[...]
> [L'interface de Gnome music est plus conviviale, mais il n'indexe pas
>  correctement le dossier Musique.
> Les recherches sur internet montrent que c'est un problème récurrent
> dû à l'indexation de tracker.
[...]
> Auriez-vous des suggestions ?
> Jean


Avertissement: je n'utilise pas Tracker directement et je n'utilise pas de 
logiciels de lecture de musique, mais tu peux peut-être tenter ce qui suit

dans dconf-editor, rubrique /org/freedesktop/tracker/files/ :

- vérifier que '' (le répertoire perso où sont stoquées les muisques) ne 
figure pas dans les sous-rubriques "ignore-directories*"
- vérifier que les extensions musicales (*.flac,*.mp3, etc...) ne figurent pas 
dans les sous-rubriques "ignore-files*"
- vérifier que ' figure bien dans la sous-rubrique 
"index-recursive-directories"

la doc pour les commandes CLI Tracker3 est là:
https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/tracker/docs/commandline/
particulièrement tracker3-index:
https://gnome.pages.gitlab.gnome.org/tracker/docs/commandline/#tracker3-index
(on ne lui passe pas des fichiers mais des répertoires en arguments)

Re: Why ``color_prompt`` is only set for ``xterm``?

[Nate Bargmann]

I may as well add to the fun here.

Some years back, probably the late '90s or so, there was a short lived
"Bash Prompt Project".  I seem to recall it have a package in Debian
back around that time.  I had previously done colorizing of the MS-DOS
prompt and had desired to do the same in Bash.  Along the way I found
that project and I think made a contribution.  It's dead now but my
colored prompts live on!

A couple of years ago I became fascinated with terminfo and so am using
it rather than specifying ANSI escape codes directly.  Here is the
entirety of my ~/.bashrc that deals with setting the prompt:

-8<---

# Git repository status in the prompt
if [[ -e /usr/lib/git-core/git-sh-prompt ]]; then
# From https://gist.github.com/eliotsykes/47516b877f5a4f7cd52f
source /usr/lib/git-core/git-sh-prompt

export GIT_PS1_SHOWDIRTYSTATE=true # staged '+', unstaged '*'
export GIT_PS1_SHOWSTASHSTATE=true # '$' something is stashed
export GIT_PS1_SHOWUPSTREAM="auto" # '<' behind, '>' ahead, '<>' 
diverged, '=' no difference
export GIT_PS1_SHOWUNTRACKEDFILES=true # '%' untracked files
fi

# set variable identifying the chroot you work in (used in the prompt below)
if [ -z "${debian_chroot:-}" ] && [ -r /etc/debian_chroot ]; then
debian_chroot=$(cat /etc/debian_chroot)
fi

# uncomment for a colored prompt, if the terminal has the capability; turned
# off by default to not distract the user: the focus in a terminal window
# should be on the output of commands, not on the prompt
force_color_prompt=yes

if [ -n "$force_color_prompt" ]; then
if [ -x /usr/bin/tput ] && tput setaf 1 >&/dev/null; then
# We have color support; assume it's compliant with Ecma-48
# (ISO/IEC-6429). (Lack of such support is extremely rare, and such
# a case would tend to support setf rather than setaf.)
color_prompt=yes
else
color_prompt=
fi
fi

# Use variables set from terminfo capabilities to make PS1 and LESS_TERMCAP_*
# variables less cryptic.
#
# Colors: 0, Black; 1, Red; 2, Green; 3, Yellow; 4, Blue; 5, Magenta; 6, Cyan; 
7, White.
# Foreground (text) colors
BLK=$(tput setaf 0)
RED=$(tput setaf 1)
GRN=$(tput setaf 2)
YEL=$(tput setaf 3)
BLU=$(tput setaf 4)
MAG=$(tput setaf 5)
CYA=$(tput setaf 6)
WHT=$(tput setaf 7)

# Background colors
BLKB=$(tput setab 0)
REDB=$(tput setab 1)
GRNB=$(tput setab 2)
YELB=$(tput setab 3)
BLUB=$(tput setab 4)
MAGB=$(tput setab 5)
CYAB=$(tput setab 6)
WHTB=$(tput setab 7)

# Character attibutes
BLD=$(tput bold)
ITA=$(tput sitm)
NOR=$(tput sgr 0)

# More prompt madness.  Show exit status if command returned non-zero result.
prompt_last_exit_status () {
PROMPT_LAST_EXIT_STATUS=$?

if [[ ${PROMPT_LAST_EXIT_STATUS} == "0" ]]; then
PROMPT_LAST_EXIT_STATUS=
else
PROMPT_LAST_EXIT_STATUS='{'$BLD$RED$PROMPT_LAST_EXIT_STATUS$NOR'}'
fi
}

prompt_command () {
prompt_last_exit_status

# From: https://superuser.com/a/180275
CurDir=$(pwd|sed -e "s!$HOME!~!"|sed -re "s!([^/])[^/]+/!\1/!g")
}

export PROMPT_COMMAND=prompt_command

if [ "$color_prompt" = yes ]; then
PS1='('
PS1+='\[$CYA\]$SHLVL\[$NOR\]'
PS1+=')'
PS1+='['
PS1+='\[$YEL\]\j\[$NOR\]'
PS1+=']'
PS1+='\[$GRN\]\u\[$NOR\]'
PS1+='@'
PS1+='\[$BLD$GRN\]\h\[$NOR\]'
PS1+=':'
PS1+='\[$BLD$BLU\]$CurDir\[$NOR\]'
PS1+=' '
PS1+='$(__git_ps1 "(\[$MAG\]\[$ITA\]%s\[$NOR\])")'
PS1+=' '
PS1+='$PROMPT_LAST_EXIT_STATUS'
PS1+='\n'
PS1+='\[$BLD$WHT\]\$\[$NOR\] '
else
PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ '
fi

unset color_prompt force_color_prompt

->8---

Generally, for root accounts I change GRN to RED and on virtual machines
to MAG.  Of course quite a range is available but the most limiting is
the Linux virtual console driver so I keep things relatively simple.

I also created some posts on my blog about tput[1] and how to reset the
color palettes of the various terminals[2].

- Nate

[1] https://www.n0nb.us/blog/2020/02/tinkering-in-the-terminal-with-tput/

[2] 
https://www.n0nb.us/blog/2020/02/coping-with-color-on-the-linux-console-and-xterm-and-friends/

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Re: Internet diagnosing

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 04:57:44PM +0200, Julius Hamilton wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone knew a similar user email group like this one for
> questions related to internet connectivity. Maybe there is a widely used
> open source network software tool where people discuss network questions.
> 
> My question is about there being some relationship between certain WiFi
> networks I use and my machine's inability to access the internet in some
> ways. For example, on one WiFi network, Google works fine in a browser, but
> Stack Overflow returns "This site can’t be reached; https://superuser.com/
> is unreachable.
> ERR_ADDRESS_UNREACHABLE". On another, I can use my Android browser
> normally, but nothing through Andronix (Android Linux).
> 
> So I am curious where in the process the issue is, probably the WiFi
> network's settings? But, what kinds of settings are there? What would it be
> checking for to block Andronix, for example, or Stack Overflow?
> 
> These are private networks so no one is blocking specific categories of
> sites, for example. The reason seems to be something more technical and
> accidental.
> 
> Thank you,
> Julius

Hi Julius,

There are all sorts of reasons for your IP not to be trusted / not to be
reachable. There's no guarantee that someone hasn't put in a policy 
somewhere saying "we don't trust cafe networks provided by $ISP / we
don't accept email from $PROVIDER wherever it appears to come from" and
they're on a deny list somewhere. Bad DNS / bad trust relationships for
SSL certs can crop up anywhere.

Within Debian,  see this quite often, for example, for some would be
contributors to wiki.debian.org who can't get in to register - because their 
network has previously been blocked at some point for spam/DDOS or whatever. 
The people concerned may be entirely innocent but can only be unblocked on a 
case by case basis.

This would be off-topic on this list - which normally deals only with 
issues arising from Debian - but it may be that someone else has 
general, "best endeavours" advice which may help.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: masked service file

[tomas]

On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 01:56:30PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

[...]

> * play the ball not the man - don't engage in disguised personal attacks

Yes, pretty please.

Thank you, Andrew.

Cheers
 - t


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Internet diagnosing

[Julius Hamilton]

Hey,

I was wondering if anyone knew a similar user email group like this one for
questions related to internet connectivity. Maybe there is a widely used
open source network software tool where people discuss network questions.

My question is about there being some relationship between certain WiFi
networks I use and my machine's inability to access the internet in some
ways. For example, on one WiFi network, Google works fine in a browser, but
Stack Overflow returns "This site can’t be reached; https://superuser.com/
is unreachable.
ERR_ADDRESS_UNREACHABLE". On another, I can use my Android browser
normally, but nothing through Andronix (Android Linux).

So I am curious where in the process the issue is, probably the WiFi
network's settings? But, what kinds of settings are there? What would it be
checking for to block Andronix, for example, or Stack Overflow?

These are private networks so no one is blocking specific categories of
sites, for example. The reason seems to be something more technical and
accidental.

Thank you,
Julius

Re: masked service file

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 03:09:59PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 07:54:02PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > As a non-professional sysadmin, this "Brian person" is wondering why
> > the OP's question (clearly relating to saned) is sidelined in favour
> > of other concerns.
> 
> I'm not sure *what* the OP's question really is.  They're on an X-Y
> tangent about masking, which is extremely irritating to me, since they
> aren't giving enough information even to be able to answer the tangential
> question, let alone to solve the original problem.
> 
> We can't do *anything* with the lack of information we're being given.
> 
> 
> Who the hell knows?  Maybe if we had some *details* we might be able to
> formulate a guess.
> 
> >  > Can I find out why it's masked ?
> 
> But sure, OP, keep on not providing information.  It's so useful.  It's
> getting you such high quality answers.
> 

People in general == all the contributors to this thread.

I can sense the exasperation: I can feel the tension. Believe me, I understand
where you are all coming from

BUT

You've prompted my (almost weekly) reminder to 

* adhere to the code of conduct.

* play the ball not the man - don't engage in disguised personal attacks

* step aside from emotion and ask technical questions dispassionately and
  clearly

* make this mailing list a worthwhile place to read

There is a space for frustration and annoyance that somehow, despite your
very best efforts, the person typing at the other end doesn't "get it" no
matter how clear you are - but it's a general annoyance that you can't
get across what you know to help them, rather than hitting out at someone.

There's a minimal space for banter and back and forth comments and being able
to rely on regular commenters to answer - and an inward feeling of "Oh, no, 
not THAT topic again from THAT person" when some things come out again for
the Nth time -  but no space for belittling people for what they do/do not
know or contribute.

There's a space for knowing when to stop, when to not hit reply, when to
step away from the keyboard or give it up as a lost cause. That step might
be to be silent - or it might be a chance to put in a reflective comment on
"The following topics come up regularly" and a collected summation of
several discussions.

There is space for a better "How to ask meaningful questions" topic
either here or in wiki.debian.org. There's certainly space for a better
"These come up regularly FAQ" but there isn't really space from experienced 
folk for some of the behaviour that happens here.

For the avoidance of doubt: I can be (and have been) guilty of a lot of the
less good behaviour outlined above on various lists and forums over the years
- this is not a holier than thou post - but it's sometimes good to look back 
dispassionately and see what impression some threads leave. 

I'm also more than willing to try and draft better FAQs.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

[As a member of the Community Team]

Re : Gnome music n'indexe pas correctement le dossier Musique

[nicolas . patrois]

Le 05/09/2021 15:14:36, Jean Bernon a écrit :

> Auriez-vous des suggestions ? 

Il y a clementine, si tu veux un lecteur léger.

nicolas patrois : pts noir asocial
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M : Qu'est-ce qu'il nous faudrait pour qu'on nous considère comme des humains ? 
Un cerveau plus gros ?
P : Non... Une carte bleue suffirait...

Re: Why ``color_prompt`` is only set for ``xterm``? (colored prompt examples)

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 09:38:34AM -0400, Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> There's also that thing about how terminals will interpret the
> different types of quotes (dumb/typewriter/ASCII versus
> typographic/curly/smart) very literally. I experienced THAT fail
> firsthand and now try to remember to plug anything I copy into a plain
> text editor before then recopying over to a terminal.

Quotes matter to the shell, not to the terminal.  And the only kinds
of quotes that the shell cares about are ASCII single and double
quotes (' and " respectively).

Unicode curly quotes are not considered quotes by any shell.  They're
just random un-special characters, like q or 5 or ñ.

> Am wondering if, am more like hoping that this quotation marks part of
> it would have stood out when I research how to further customize my
> own setup. This will be a priceless personalization if I can
> eventually coerce it to say "(debootstrap) chroot" in place of some of
> the characters there. Shh, don't tell me how. Lead a fish to water,
> yada-yada. :)

Look for "chroot" in your ~/.bashrc and see how it's currently being
done.  Make sure you understand each command, and what it does.

Re: Why ``color_prompt`` is only set for ``xterm``? (colored prompt examples)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 9/5/21, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 12:28:37AM -0500, Intense Red wrote:
>> > In /root/.bashrc I use this to give a red prompt including host and
>> > full path followed by a new line.
>>
>>I take this idea a bit further, setting a longer prompt and setting
>> workstation hosts for specific colors for user logins, and then doing a
>> red
>> prompt for servers.
>>
>>Part of my ~/.bashrc:
>>
>> # Set the hostname to a specific color
>> HostName=`hostname -s`
>> if [ $HostName = "capncrunch" ]; then
>>HostColor="\[\033[1;36m\]" # Bright Cyan
>>  elif [ $HostName = "piglet" ]; then
>>HostColor="\[\033[1;35m\]" # Bright Purple
>>  elif [ $HostName = "wiseguy" ]; then
>
> Not a big fan of case statements?
>
> HostName=${HOSTNAME%%.*}
> case $HostName in
>   capncrunch) HostColor="\[\033[1;36m\]";; # Bright Cyan
>   piglet) HostColor="\[\033[1;35m\]";; # Bright Purple
>   ...
> esac
>
> Also, for the record, your quotes are in the wrong place in your [
> commands.  You need quotes around "$HostName" to avoid globbing and
> word splitting.  You don't need quotes around simple strings like
> capncrunch and piglet, unless one of them contains whitespace or
> punctuation that's significant to the shell.
>
> The missing quotes around "$HostName" have never mattered because so
> far all of your hostnames have been safe.  Maybe that's even a
> guarantee -- I'm not sure what characters are actually allowed in a
> Linux hostname.  But quoting correctly still a good habit to get into.


Thank you for the tweak, Greg. That's a biggie because along the way,
we've seen how things change and fail for that very reason. One of my
partitions' terminal root now calls itself by a package name. NO CLUE
how it happened because I wasn't root while the associated package was
being extracted. Confirming placement of quotation marks, if used,
would be one checkpoint for a massive fail like that.

There's also that thing about how terminals will interpret the
different types of quotes (dumb/typewriter/ASCII versus
typographic/curly/smart) very literally. I experienced THAT fail
firsthand and now try to remember to plug anything I copy into a plain
text editor before then recopying over to a terminal.

Am wondering if, am more like hoping that this quotation marks part of
it would have stood out when I research how to further customize my
own setup. This will be a priceless personalization if I can
eventually coerce it to say "(debootstrap) chroot" in place of some of
the characters there. Shh, don't tell me how. Lead a fish to water,
yada-yada. :)

Cindy :)
-- 
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Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Lock screen with Gnome 3 login greeter

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 12:50:43PM +0200, Richard Forst wrote:

> > I switched to use i3. So now after the screen goes blank, it won't display
> > greeter asking to login again. I read somewhere else on the internet that
> > gdm3 (I use Debian 11 with kernel 5.10.0-8-amd64) no longer uses
> > screensaver to lock the session. Instead it uses dbus to activate login
> > asking user to enter id, password for login.

I'm not sure if this is helpful, because our setups are clearly
different, but:

What I use is startx + fvwm, and I have installed the i3lock package
as a replacement for xlockmore, which was removed a very long time
ago.

When I want to lock my screen, I run "i3lock" as a command (either in
a terminal, or activated from a WM menu).  This gives a plain white
screen.  To unlock it, I simply type my password.  There's a green
circle in the middle of the screen that appears while typing, to let
me know that my keystrokes are actually being received.

In my setup, there is no automatic locking at all.  It's always done
manually, by running i3lock.

I don't know what your setup is (you mention gdm3, but you didn't actually
make it clear that you're *running* gdm3 -- it might simply have been
something that you found during your Internet searches).  You mentioned
i3, so I thought it might be possible that you're also using i3lock,
perhaps in some sort of automatic mode.  I don't know how the rest of i3
works, outside of the i3lock program.

When your screen locks, what do you see?  Is it a plain white screen?
A plain black screen?  A still image?  An animation?

Which display manager are you using, if any?  If you use "startx", then
the answer is "none", and your setup is similar to mine.  Otherwise,
you might be using lightdm, or gdm3, or xdm, or any of several other
display mangers, most of which have the substring "dm" somewhere in
their name.

I wonder if switching from gdm3 to lightdm would be enough to solve
your problem, if you are in fact using gdm3.  I don't know a lot about
display managers, since I don't use them myself.  Maybe worth looking
into...?

Gnome music n'indexe pas correctement le dossier Musique

[Jean Bernon]

Bonjour, 


Sous Buster j'utilisais Gmusicbrowser pour la musique. Apparemment ce logiciel, 
jugé obsolète, a complètement disparu de l'environnement bullseye. Restent 
Rhytmbox et Musique (Gnome music). Rhytmbox indexe correctement le dossier 
Musique, mais l'interface est très austère. L'interface de Gnome music est plus 
conviviale, mais il n'indexe pas correctement le dossier Musique. 


Les recherches sur internet montrent que c'est un problème récurrent dû à 
l'indexation de tracker. Mais toutes les solutions proposées s'appuient sur des 
commandes tracker qui n'existent plus dans bullseye. Dans le tracker actuel, 
une des rares commandes qui semble pouvoir faire le job est "tracker index -m 
flac" (j'ai remarqué que ce sont essentiellement les fichiers flac qui ne sont 
pas indexés), mais elle se termine avec un message de réussite, alors que rien 
de plus n'est indexé. Il y a aussi un série de paramètres pour tracker dans 
dconf, mais ils sont difficiles à bien comprendre. Un paramètre semble suspect 
selon lequel on n'indexe pas /home récursivement, mais je ne mesure pas bien 
les conséquences de son changement. 


Auriez-vous des suggestions ? 
Jean 

Re: Why ``color_prompt`` is only set for ``xterm``?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Sep 04, 2021 at 11:23:48PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> $ cat /var/local/lib/myhosts/colours/axis 
> 5 magenta bbarbutton=white,magenta,none:bbarhotkey=magenta,white,none
> $ 
> 
> 5 is for ANSI colours,
> magenta is for, eg emacs, mutt, etc,
> bbarbutton is for mc.
> 
> The lines from /root/.bashrc are:
> 
> if [[ $- = *i* ]]; then
> 
> export PROMPT_COMMAND='Myprompt="$? " && [ "$Myprompt" = "0 " ] && 
> Myprompt=""'
> 
> # read value from file, and sanitise it
> Hue=$(head -c 1 /var/local/lib/myhosts/colours/"$HOSTNAME")
> if grep -q ·"$Hue"· <<<"·0·1·2·3·4·5·6·7·8·9·"; then

It's strange that you used shell builtins for the $- check but not
for this check.

read -r Hue _ < /var/local/lib/myhosts/colours/"$HOSTNAME"
if [[ $Hue = [0-9] ]]; then

Or if you happen to use the other fields of that file later in the script,
then change the read command to store all 3 fields in shell variables.

Re: Why ``color_prompt`` is only set for ``xterm``? (colored prompt examples)

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 12:28:37AM -0500, Intense Red wrote:
> > In /root/.bashrc I use this to give a red prompt including host and
> > full path followed by a new line.
> 
>I take this idea a bit further, setting a longer prompt and setting 
> workstation hosts for specific colors for user logins, and then doing a red 
> prompt for servers.
> 
>Part of my ~/.bashrc:
> 
> # Set the hostname to a specific color
> HostName=`hostname -s`
> if [ $HostName = "capncrunch" ]; then
>HostColor="\[\033[1;36m\]" # Bright Cyan
>  elif [ $HostName = "piglet" ]; then
>HostColor="\[\033[1;35m\]" # Bright Purple
>  elif [ $HostName = "wiseguy" ]; then

Not a big fan of case statements?

HostName=${HOSTNAME%%.*}
case $HostName in
  capncrunch) HostColor="\[\033[1;36m\]";; # Bright Cyan
  piglet) HostColor="\[\033[1;35m\]";; # Bright Purple
  ...
esac

Also, for the record, your quotes are in the wrong place in your [
commands.  You need quotes around "$HostName" to avoid globbing and
word splitting.  You don't need quotes around simple strings like
capncrunch and piglet, unless one of them contains whitespace or
punctuation that's significant to the shell.

The missing quotes around "$HostName" have never mattered because so
far all of your hostnames have been safe.  Maybe that's even a
guarantee -- I'm not sure what characters are actually allowed in a
Linux hostname.  But quoting correctly still a good habit to get into.

Re: Installing old/deprecated packages

[Linux-Fan]

riveravaldez writes:


I have this `phwmon.py`[1] which I use with fluxbox to have a couple
of system monitors at hand. It depends on some python2 packages, so
stopped working some time ago.


Any specific reason for preferring `phwmon.py` over a tool like `conky`?


I've just made it work, installing manually (# apt-get install packages.deb)
this packages that I've downloaded from Debian OldStable official archives:

python-psutil
python-is-python2 (this is in fact in Testing)
python-numpy
python-pkg-resources
python-cairo
libffi6
python-gobject-2
python-gtk2

Therefore, my questions:

How safe is this?


IMHO it's pretty OK because that is quite similar to having upgraded from an  
old system with the legacy packages installed to a new release where they  
are no longer part of.



Is it better to install them as I did, or adding the corresponding line in
sources.list and pull them from there? Is there any difference?


There are differences: Whenever you install packages, you may not notice  
that they are only avaliable in old releases because the output of
`apt-cache search` and similar tools will include old packages. Also,  
running a release with stable+oldstable in sources.list is less common than  
the other case: stable in sources.list and some oldstable packages leftover  
from upgrades. In case bugs are fixed in the oldstable package, you will get  
them automatically if you have them in sources.list.


My personal choice would be to install the packages without adding the  
oldstable repositories as to be reminded that they are obsolete and are  
likely to stop working in the future.


Be aware that libraries like `python-psutil` may not work with newer  
kernels. Here (on oldstable with a backported kernel 5.10) the script would  
not run due to excess fields reported by the kernel for disk statistics:


| $ ./phwmon.py 
| Traceback (most recent call last):

|   File "./phwmon.py", line 341, in 
| HardwareMonitor()
|   File "./phwmon.py", line 128, in __init__
| self.initDiskIo()
|   File "./phwmon.py", line 274, in initDiskIo
| v = psutil.disk_io_counters(perdisk=False)
|   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/psutil/__init__.py", line 2131, in 
disk_io_counters
| rawdict = _psplatform.disk_io_counters(**kwargs)
|   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/psutil/_pslinux.py", line 1121, in 
disk_io_counters
| for entry in gen:
|   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/psutil/_pslinux.py", line 1094, in 
read_procfs
| raise ValueError("not sure how to interpret line %r" % line)
| ValueError: not sure how to interpret line ' 259   0 nvme0n1 42428 17299 
3905792 8439 49354 7425 3352623 15456 0 48512 26929 43429 11 476835656 3033 0 
0\n'

See also: https://forums.bunsenlabs.org/viewtopic.php?id=967

[...]


[1] https://gitlab.com/o9000/phwmon


Btw. it looks as if `python-is-python2` is not needed for this to run?  
`phwmon.py` states `python2` explicitly.


HTH
Linux-Fan

öö

PS: If you are interested in my thoughts on status bars, see here:
   https://masysma.lima-city.de/32/i3bar.xhtml


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Re: Installation Done after login it Hangs

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 04:52:27PM +0530, Tushar Dasondi wrote:
> Dear Debian team,
> 
> After intallation of  Debian 11 it hangs at login page after entering the
> password.please support
> 
> Regards
> Tushar Dasondi
> 
> Tus

Can you please give more details. What machine? What desktop environment?
if it hangs, does it recover after a minute?

With these details, we can do nothing but make guesses: the more information
you can give, the better we can help.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Why ``color_prompt`` is only set for ``xterm``? (colored prompt examples)

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 9/5/21, Intense Red  wrote:
>> In /root/.bashrc I use this to give a red prompt including host and
>> full path followed by a new line.
>
>I take this idea a bit further, setting a longer prompt and setting
> workstation hosts for specific colors for user logins, and then doing a red
>
> prompt for servers.
>
>Part of my ~/.bashrc:
>
> # Set the hostname to a specific color
> HostName=`hostname -s`
> if [ $HostName = "capncrunch" ]; then
>HostColor="\[\033[1;36m\]" # Bright Cyan
>
< lots of snip for brevity >
>
> # Then we need to export them so the shell picks things up.
> export PS1 LS_COLORS
>
>That's worth playing with to change some of the default settings if one
> wants to play with the colors of a terminal (I use KDE's "konsole" rather
> than
> xterm, but it's the same idea.


That's cool. I did play with it last night as my normal user. I'm
going to leave it for now as a reminder to personalize it more. I've
seen very similar in some operating system somewhere but never stopped
to pursue how it was accomplished. Maybe it was even for a different
terminal (emulator) from Debian's repositories.

Its first tweak needs to address that it renders the tab "Title" as
"Untitled window". I've tried a few times over the years to alter that
via "Edit > Preferences > General (tab)" in xfce4-terminal, but it
never stuck. It would always reverse back each time a terminal window
was fully closed. I could see putting something under (dot)bashrc
along with this other as being more geeky fun.

PS I just plugged it in under root after going back above and reading
from the original snippets. I'm really liking that blinking reminder
as to where one is. That might be just what I've always wanted to
cognitively distinguish between chroot and root terminal tabs. That's
been a worry quite often over time. Thank you!

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Installation Done after login it Hangs

[Tushar Dasondi]

Dear Debian team,

After intallation of  Debian 11 it hangs at login page after entering the
password.please support

Regards
Tushar Dasondi

Tus

Re: new to debian

[황병희]

>  See here for detailed explanation:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

I added five lines, thanks Karthik!

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

Re: new to debian

[Karthik]

On Sun, Sep 5, 2021, 4:15 PM 황병희  wrote:

> Hellow~
>
> Actually i am new to Debian. Especially i did install Debian 11 Bullseye
> udner Chrome OS (ARM64 MT8173 Chromebook).
>
> Before i used Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.
>
> My question is:
> Is this canonical way?
>
> #+BEGIN_SRC: sh
> soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$ cat sources.list
> deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main
> soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$
> #+END_SRC
>
> That is only one line.
>
> Are you asking that one line is enough?. If you're then, yeah that one
> line is enough for main repository binary packages


> If you need updates(security and point releases) ,sources and non-free
> packages you need an extra line


> See here for detailed explanation:

https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList

Re: Lock screen with Gnome 3 login greeter

[Richard Forst]

Ok. The link I found previously is [1]. But executing the command provided in 
that link doesn't work either. 
dbus-send --type=method_call \  --dest=org.gnome.ScreenSaver \  
/org/gnome/ScreenSaver \  org.gnome.ScreenSaver.Lock

I appreciate any suggestions or comments. Many thanks.

[1]. 
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/86221/how-can-i-lock-my-screen-in-gnome-3-without-gdm/86275#86275


Sep 5, 2021, 17:32 by sterbl...@tutanota.com:

> I switched to use i3. So now after the screen goes blank, it won't display 
> greeter asking to login again. I read somewhere else on the internet that 
> gdm3 (I use Debian 11 with kernel 5.10.0-8-amd64) no longer uses screensaver 
> to lock the session. Instead it uses dbus to activate login asking user to 
> enter id, password for login. However I don't find any related solutions that 
> work. The closest one is [1] (sorry it's Ubuntu env not Debian). But 
> executing that command (in [1]), 
>
>     > dbus-send --type=method_call \ 
>     --dest=org.gnome.ScreenSaver \
>     /org/gnome/ScreenSaver \
>     org.gnome.ScreenSaver.Lock
>
> login screen doesn't come back. So what command should I use so that when the 
> system becomes idle, the login screen will be active? 
>
> I tried configuring gnome-control-center's Privacy > Screen Lock > Automatic 
> Screen Lock set to on (round icon moved to right). And Automatic Screen Lock 
> Delay is set to 30 seconds. However, it's still active (when becoming idle, 
> screen won't be lock with login display). 
>
> What steps should I perform in order to lock the screen with login being 
> displayed? I know there is xscreensaver. But this time I want to use login 
> instead of xscreensaver, which is nice of course. 
>
> Thanks
>
> [1]. > https://askubuntu.com/a/983451
>

new to debian

[황병희]

Hellow~

Actually i am new to Debian. Especially i did install Debian 11 Bullseye
udner Chrome OS (ARM64 MT8173 Chromebook).

Before i used Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.

My question is:
Is this canonical way?

#+BEGIN_SRC: sh
soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$ cat sources.list
deb https://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main
soyeomul@penguin:/etc/apt$
#+END_SRC

That is only one line.

Thanks for any comments!

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

mise à jour Buster vers Bullseye

[Jean-Michel OLTRA]

Bonjour,


Je viens d'achever cette nuit mes dernières mises à jour de 7 serveurs de
Buster à Bullseye. Ce ne sont pas des serveurs très complexes, mais il y
avait quelques bases de données sous Postgresql avec Pgpool2.

Aucune mauvaise surprise et tout s'est parfaitement déroulé.

Je tenais juste, par ce courriel, à remercier les équipes de Debian dont
la qualité du travail permet ce genre d'opération.

Bonne journée à tous.

-- 
jm

Lock screen with Gnome 3 login greeter

[Richard Forst]

I switched to use i3. So now after the screen goes blank, it won't display 
greeter asking to login again. I read somewhere else on the internet that gdm3 
(I use Debian 11 with kernel 5.10.0-8-amd64) no longer uses screensaver to lock 
the session. Instead it uses dbus to activate login asking user to enter id, 
password for login. However I don't find any related solutions that work. The 
closest one is [1] (sorry it's Ubuntu env not Debian). But executing that 
command (in [1]), 

    dbus-send --type=method_call \
    --dest=org.gnome.ScreenSaver \
    /org/gnome/ScreenSaver \
    org.gnome.ScreenSaver.Lock

login screen doesn't come back. So what command should I use so that when the 
system becomes idle, the login screen will be active? 

I tried configuring gnome-control-center's Privacy > Screen Lock > Automatic 
Screen Lock set to on (round icon moved to right). And Automatic Screen Lock 
Delay is set to 30 seconds. However, it's still active (when becoming idle, 
screen won't be lock with login display). 

What steps should I perform in order to lock the screen with login being 
displayed? I know there is xscreensaver. But this time I want to use login 
instead of xscreensaver, which is nice of course. 

Thanks

[1]. https://askubuntu.com/a/983451