Re: problem with an HP AIO

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 25 October 2021 22:06:09 Larry Martell wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 9:57 PM Gene Heskett  
wrote:
> > On Monday 25 October 2021 21:37:24 piorunz wrote:
> > > On 26/10/2021 02:29, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Greetings all;
> > > >
> > > > This $350 thing in 2019, a model unk cuz its a tiny label in
> > > > chinese, has W10HE on it and has decided it can't run the app I
> > > > bought it for, a python app that I have already proved can run
> > > > on linux with out needing a winderz magician to make it run.
> > > >
> > > > So I decided to remove the spinning rust
> > > > wonderifitwillrunthistime drive, install a 6x faster kingston 60
> > > > GB SSD and put bullseye in it. Just one problem though. Its a
> > > > work computer but this is only a 20k .py script in linux, where
> > > > the winderz version is about 20 megs.
> > > >
> > > > This AIO has no visible screws anyplace that would let me into
> > > > it to swap the drive.
> > > >
> > > > So, short of a fire axe, how does one get into a 2 yo HP AIO as
> > > > sold by wally's?
> > > >
> > > > Many Thanks to anyone that knows the magic incantation that will
> > > > open it!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> > >
> > > Hello Gene,
> > >
> > > Can you try again in English this time please, I can't understand
> > > what is the problem you have described in full 5 paragraphs
> > > instead of 1. No essays, just say what is the problem and how you
> > > want to fix it.
> >
> > I need a way into this HP all in one, there are no visible screws
> > anyplace. I want to open it and change the 1T HD out for a 60G
> > kingston SSD.
>
> Personally, I enjoyed Gene’s eloquent prose.

Thanks Larry, but ou speak engish as a first language. Some here I 
suspect are still in the 80's where every byte costs money. Now its not 
so iron clad and I can vent my frustrations by inventing prose that is 
gibberish to those who never got phonics in school, and of coarse may 
not speak english as first language so they have a double hurdle to 
jump. Thats unfortunate when I do as it locks those who are translating 
on the fly, out of the conversation and some BWG's. My apologies as I am 
forever grateful to those that have learned english as a 2nd or 3rd, 4th 
etc language. I missed out on any other languages that may have been 
available when I was in school in the 1940's since I quit school shortly 
safter the 8th grade and went to work fixing what was then a brand new 
technology, tv's, and working as a broadcast engineer starting in the 
1960's on till I hung that up just short of 20 years ago. In other 
words, I am now both a Certified Electronics Technician, but a certified 
old fart at 87 years. I'm growing old, but I refuse to grow up because 
acting my age is such a bore. :)

Thank you all, I did get the help I needed.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: problem with an HP AIO

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 25 October 2021 21:48:24 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> how to open HP all-in-one

Thank you very much, I think I found a video for the exact one I have 
from ddg. And have it bookmarked.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: problem with an HP AIO

[Larry Martell]

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 9:57 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Monday 25 October 2021 21:37:24 piorunz wrote:
>
> > On 26/10/2021 02:29, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > This $350 thing in 2019, a model unk cuz its a tiny label in
> > > chinese, has W10HE on it and has decided it can't run the app I
> > > bought it for, a python app that I have already proved can run on
> > > linux with out needing a winderz magician to make it run.
> > >
> > > So I decided to remove the spinning rust wonderifitwillrunthistime
> > > drive, install a 6x faster kingston 60 GB SSD and put bullseye in
> > > it. Just one problem though. Its a work computer but this is only a
> > > 20k .py script in linux, where the winderz version is about 20 megs.
> > >
> > > This AIO has no visible screws anyplace that would let me into it to
> > > swap the drive.
> > >
> > > So, short of a fire axe, how does one get into a 2 yo HP AIO as sold
> > > by wally's?
> > >
> > > Many Thanks to anyone that knows the magic incantation that will
> > > open it!
> > >
> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> >
> > Hello Gene,
> >
> > Can you try again in English this time please, I can't understand what
> > is the problem you have described in full 5 paragraphs instead of 1.
> > No essays, just say what is the problem and how you want to fix it.
> >
> I need a way into this HP all in one, there are no visible screws
> anyplace. I want to open it and change the 1T HD out for a 60G kingston
> SSD.


Personally, I enjoyed Gene’s eloquent prose.

>
>

Re: problem with an HP AIO

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 25 October 2021 21:37:24 piorunz wrote:

> On 26/10/2021 02:29, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > This $350 thing in 2019, a model unk cuz its a tiny label in
> > chinese, has W10HE on it and has decided it can't run the app I
> > bought it for, a python app that I have already proved can run on
> > linux with out needing a winderz magician to make it run.
> >
> > So I decided to remove the spinning rust wonderifitwillrunthistime
> > drive, install a 6x faster kingston 60 GB SSD and put bullseye in
> > it. Just one problem though. Its a work computer but this is only a
> > 20k .py script in linux, where the winderz version is about 20 megs.
> >
> > This AIO has no visible screws anyplace that would let me into it to
> > swap the drive.
> >
> > So, short of a fire axe, how does one get into a 2 yo HP AIO as sold
> > by wally's?
> >
> > Many Thanks to anyone that knows the magic incantation that will
> > open it!
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett.
>
> Hello Gene,
>
> Can you try again in English this time please, I can't understand what
> is the problem you have described in full 5 paragraphs instead of 1.
> No essays, just say what is the problem and how you want to fix it.
>
I need a way into this HP all in one, there are no visible screws 
anyplace. I want to open it and change the 1T HD out for a 60G kingston 
SSD.

> --
> With kindest regards, Piotr.
>
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
> ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
> ⠈⠳⣄


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: problem with an HP AIO

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 02:37:24AM +0100, piorunz wrote:
> On 26/10/2021 02:29, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > This AIO has no visible screws anyplace that would let me into it to swap
> > the drive.
> > 
> > So, short of a fire axe, how does one get into a 2 yo HP AIO as sold by
> > wally's?
> > 
> > Many Thanks to anyone that knows the magic incantation that will open it!

> Can you try again in English this time please, I can't understand what
> is the problem you have described in full 5 paragraphs instead of 1.
> No essays, just say what is the problem and how you want to fix it.

Near as I can tell: Gene has purchased a computer, and wants to remove
the hard drive from it, but he can't figure out how to open its case.

Gene, you might try Google searches of the form "how to open HP all-in-one".
Some of the results that I got for this are Youtube videos.  I didn't
watch any of them, but you could try a few and see if any of them
look applicable to your device.

Re: problem with an HP AIO

[piorunz]

On 26/10/2021 02:29, Gene Heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

This $350 thing in 2019, a model unk cuz its a tiny label in chinese,
has W10HE on it and has decided it can't run the app I bought it for, a
python app that I have already proved can run on linux with out needing
a winderz magician to make it run.

So I decided to remove the spinning rust wonderifitwillrunthistime drive,
install a 6x faster kingston 60 GB SSD and put bullseye in it. Just one
problem though. Its a work computer but this is only a 20k .py script in
linux, where the winderz version is about 20 megs.

This AIO has no visible screws anyplace that would let me into it to swap
the drive.

So, short of a fire axe, how does one get into a 2 yo HP AIO as sold by
wally's?

Many Thanks to anyone that knows the magic incantation that will open it!

Cheers, Gene Heskett.


Hello Gene,

Can you try again in English this time please, I can't understand what
is the problem you have described in full 5 paragraphs instead of 1.
No essays, just say what is the problem and how you want to fix it.

--
With kindest regards, Piotr.

⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system
⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
⠈⠳⣄

problem with an HP AIO

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

This $350 thing in 2019, a model unk cuz its a tiny label in chinese,  
has W10HE on it and has decided it can't run the app I bought it for, a 
python app that I have already proved can run on linux with out needing 
a winderz magician to make it run.

So I decided to remove the spinning rust wonderifitwillrunthistime drive, 
install a 6x faster kingston 60 GB SSD and put bullseye in it. Just one 
problem though. Its a work computer but this is only a 20k .py script in 
linux, where the winderz version is about 20 megs.

This AIO has no visible screws anyplace that would let me into it to swap 
the drive.

So, short of a fire axe, how does one get into a 2 yo HP AIO as sold by 
wally's?

Many Thanks to anyone that knows the magic incantation that will open it!

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

[OT, deeply] Guix

[riveravaldez]

Hi, everybody,

I stumble upon this article about (supposedly) Guix's
characteristics/advantages:

https://ambrevar.xyz/guix-advance/

, and was curious about the opinions of the educated Debian people on the
matter.

Maybe even just a link to a text where the subject gets elaborated or the
statements even refuted?

Thanks a lot in advance.

Re: return in nsswitch.conf not working

[David Wright]

On Mon 25 Oct 2021 at 14:11:34 (+0200), William Edwards wrote:

> This is the line for hosts in my nsswitch.conf:
> 
>   hosts:  files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
> 
> Both 'files' and 'mdns4_minimal' return NOTFOUND for a lookup:
> 
>   root@http-lyr01:~# getent -s hosts:files hosts williamedwards.nl
>   root@http-lyr01:~# echo $?
>   2
>   root@http-lyr01:~# getent -s hosts:mdns4_minimal hosts
> williamedwards.nl
>   root@http-lyr01:~# echo $?
>   2
> 
> Quoting the 'exit status' section in getent(1):
> 
>   2 One or more supplied key could not be found in the database.
> 
> However, the 'dns' database (which comes *after* the return statement)
> is also used, as my lookup succeeds with the result that the 'dns'
> database returns.
> 
> Could anyone explain why that is? I would expect the lookup to fail
> because of the 'NOTFOUND=return'.

I've not found it easy to answer this question from any
documentation normally installed, though the answer might be
implied by what's there. AIUI from what I've read, mdns4_minimal
only considers resolving .local and 169.254.x.x addresses,
and is designed to prevent such address queries being sent to
the Internet nameservers. Any other addresses, like those
you used, bypass   mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return]  entirely.
You can demonstrate this to yourself by typing:

18:21:14 ~ $ :
18:21:29 ~ $ getent -s hosts:mdns4_minimal hosts foo
2 18:21:31 ~ $ :
18:21:33 ~ $ getent -s hosts:mdns4_minimal hosts foo.local
2 18:21:41 ~ $ 

where you can see the non-lookup of an unknown host takes no time at
all, whereas adding .local causes a five second timeout before the
real lookup fails. (My prompt includes the return code.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Leibniz' "best of all possible worlds"

[Kenneth Parker]

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 12:35 PM Thomas Schmitt  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> > When I think of Leibniz, I think of calculus
>
> We german kids think of cookies with toes:
>
>   https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Butterkeks.jpg


When I was a teen, I attended a Family reunion.  One of the other attendees
shared that he had returned from a Business Trip to Germany and brought us
a tin of these Cookies.  Quite delicious!

Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>

Thanks for the Memory.

>
Kenneth Parker

>

Re: Choqok 1.7

[Richmond]

didier gaumet  writes:

> As you noticed, Chokoq 1.7.0 is available as a binary to install from
> upstream by clicking the button "install on linux". (1)
> But it is mentioned that the button works only with Appstream
> application stores. (2) 

This is very interesting. I didn't know about this, although I knew
about app images. I am using the mate desktop but I was still able to
install gnome-software.

>
> To install 1.7.0:
>
> - Start by uninstalling Chokoq 1.6.2 (if do no not do so, you risk
> problems with concurrent versions 1.6.2 and 1.7.0).

I did this.

>
> - Install an application store like plasma-discover for KDE or Gnome-
> Software for Gnome (perhaps some CLI programs like appstream would do
> also).

Installed gnome-software.

> - Once the app store is installed, click the Chokoq "install on linux"
> button on the web page, you will be prompted to open it with the
> installed app store. Or you can directly search Chokoq in the app store
> to install it. 

It failed here saying that it was not compatible. Also searching for
choqok in gnome-software didn't find it.

Does it bring its own libraries with it? Maybe it requres something from
debian 11?

Re: Leibniz' "best of all possible worlds"

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> When I think of Leibniz, I think of calculus

We german kids think of cookies with toes:

  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Butterkeks.jpg


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Leibniz' "best of all possible worlds" ...

[James H. H. Lampert]

>>> I also wonder how Leibniz is relevant to this scenario ...

 When I think of Leibniz, I think of calculus (and rejoice in the 
fact that the only calculus I still have to deal with is what the 
dentist has to jackhammer off my teeth [before it turns into partial 
differential equations]).


When I think of "the best of all possible worlds," I think of Candide 
(take your pick: Voltaire, Bernstein, or both), and I think of the old 
chestnut that "an optimist believes we live in the best of all possible 
worlds, while a pessimist fears that the optimist is right."


When I went to Long Beach State, we used CDC Cybers. Which was a major 
culture shock after using an IBM 370/135 (running McGill University 
MUSIC), going from 8-bit EBCDIC to 6-bit CDC Scientific (with no room in 
the character set for any control characters!)


Still, if I were going to a school where WinDoze was compulsory, I'd 
find another school.


--
JHHL

Re: Choqok 1.7

[Christian Britz]

On 25.10.21 Richmond wrote:
> consequences. I don't have a way to do a backup currently. I have done
> some naughty things like installing zoom.

At least all official Zoom deb pacakages released since one year are
compatible with Debian 11.

Regards,
Christian

Re: Choqok 1.7

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 02:38:47PM +0100, Richmond wrote:
> Greg Wooledge  writes:
> 
> > On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 10:01:39AM +0200, didier gaumet wrote:
> >> As you noticed, Chokoq 1.7.0 is available as a binary to install from
> >> upstream by clicking the button "install on linux". (1)
> >> But it is mentioned that the button works only with Appstream
> >> application stores. (2) 
> >
> > I still believe it would be simpler to upgrade to Debian 11.  It's
> > something that the OP would need to do eventually anyway.
> 
> It might be simpler to do it, unless there are some unforseen
> consequences. I don't have a way to do a backup currently. I have done
> some naughty things like installing zoom.
> 

Before the upgrade, comment out the sources.list line for Zoom - optionally,
remove it altogether. Upgrade to Debian 11 then redownload / reenable Zoom.
[It's not "naughty" - Debian supports the right of users to use non-free
software, just doesn't package it in main].


> Also I prefer to have all my computers on the same version of debian if
> I can, but one has an nvidia card and the drivers don't support the
> version 5 kernel.
> 

Which model? You may find that nouveau will support the card adequately.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Choqok 1.7

[Richmond]

Greg Wooledge  writes:

> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 10:01:39AM +0200, didier gaumet wrote:
>> As you noticed, Chokoq 1.7.0 is available as a binary to install from
>> upstream by clicking the button "install on linux". (1)
>> But it is mentioned that the button works only with Appstream
>> application stores. (2) 
>
> I still believe it would be simpler to upgrade to Debian 11.  It's
> something that the OP would need to do eventually anyway.

It might be simpler to do it, unless there are some unforseen
consequences. I don't have a way to do a backup currently. I have done
some naughty things like installing zoom.

Also I prefer to have all my computers on the same version of debian if
I can, but one has an nvidia card and the drivers don't support the
version 5 kernel.

return in nsswitch.conf not working

[William Edwards]

Dear reader,

This is the line for hosts in my nsswitch.conf:

  hosts:  files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4

Both 'files' and 'mdns4_minimal' return NOTFOUND for a lookup:

  root@http-lyr01:~# getent -s hosts:files hosts williamedwards.nl
  root@http-lyr01:~# echo $?
  2
  root@http-lyr01:~# getent -s hosts:mdns4_minimal hosts 
williamedwards.nl

  root@http-lyr01:~# echo $?
  2

Quoting the 'exit status' section in getent(1):

  2 One or more supplied key could not be found in the database.

However, the 'dns' database (which comes *after* the return statement) 
is also used, as my lookup succeeds with the result that the 'dns' 
database returns.


Could anyone explain why that is? I would expect the lookup to fail 
because of the 'NOTFOUND=return'.


--
With kind regards,

William Edwards

Re: Choqok 1.7

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 10:01:39AM +0200, didier gaumet wrote:
> As you noticed, Chokoq 1.7.0 is available as a binary to install from
> upstream by clicking the button "install on linux". (1)
> But it is mentioned that the button works only with Appstream
> application stores. (2) 

I still believe it would be simpler to upgrade to Debian 11.  It's
something that the OP would need to do eventually anyway.

Re: Choqok 1.7

[didier gaumet]

Le dimanche 24 octobre 2021 à 21:50 +0100, Richmond a écrit :
> 
> Yes downloading the deb package failed with a dependency.
> 
> Compiling from source failed with:
> 
> behaviorconfig.cpp:97:36: error: ‘markAsChanged’ is not a member of
> ‘BehaviorConfig’
> 
> But upgrading to 11 is further than I am prepared to go at the
> moment.

Hello,

As you noticed, Chokoq 1.7.0 is available as a binary to install from
upstream by clicking the button "install on linux". (1)
But it is mentioned that the button works only with Appstream
application stores. (2) 

To install 1.7.0:

- Start by uninstalling Chokoq 1.6.2 (if do no not do so, you risk
problems with concurrent versions 1.6.2 and 1.7.0).

- Install an application store like plasma-discover for KDE or Gnome-
Software for Gnome (perhaps some CLI programs like appstream would do
also).
- Once the app store is installed, click the Chokoq "install on linux"
button on the web page, you will be prompted to open it with the
installed app store. Or you can directly search Chokoq in the app store
to install it. 

(I use Gnome, Gnome-Software is installed: when I click on "install on
linux", I am asked if I want to open Gnome-Software. If I open it, I
can search for Chokoq and 1.7.0 is available to install from the store)

As a side note, if you want to retain a certain level of security, you
will need to upgrade to Debian 11 Bullseye before July 2022 or June
2024, depending on the full or reduced scope of the support you can
cope with (3)

(1) https://apps.kde.org/choqok/
(2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppStream
(3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history#Release_table